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Ivanovo
In Ivanovo the Italian expression holds true,"A night without love is a night lost".
Due to me looking down the barrel of another night without the company of a girl I decided to go hit on the cafe girl. The one I spoke to previously was not there but luckily there was another who spoke some English and they girls at the cafe were very excited with a foreigner there. The girl was cute, short and slim, pretty face, blue eyes, brown hair. I would assume around 20 years. So at the end I decided to ask her in a very polite way if I could have her number. First she tried to say that her English is not so good, but I replied that at least I can understand some Russian and I'm sure we would be able to communicate. She had her name tag written in cyrillic, which I used her to at least become more familiar with her and introduce myself using her name to break the ice and she wrote down her number for me. I sent a text message last night saying thanks and asking if she wants to have a drink or walk in the park. No reply yet, maybe I will send again today in cyrillic to see if she is just hestitant because of the language barrier. I understand perfect Rusglish.
I think Russia is still a very classicist society and anyone with enough money to go to a restaurant or cafe, talk to and treat the 'devischka' like they are a servant. I think these girls are usually very cute and probably easily susceptible to flattery and being treated nicely (this holds true for all women). I will see how this adventure away from mamba works out.
Also, the dancer is back on. I just needed to send a love poem by sms to warm her back up again. I think she got annoyed by something I did (or didn't) do. This gives me 2 possibilities for tonight and I hope one comes through.
Mamba was not showing me any love yesterday. Language barrier is a problem. For fun a week ago I found one of the hottest girls I had seen there who listed she spoke Italian so I started a google translate Italian convo with her just to see if she can do any English or French. After 5. 10 mins I told her that I can't speak Italian and we could not communicate so not worth pursuing. She was practically begging for my attention after this saying that she could understand me. Interesting. I find that even though Russian women can understand English they really despise this language for some reason. Strange, I really don't despise other languages and speak a few.
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[QUOTE=DavidVanSchuma;1444864]Interesting. I find that even though Russian women can understand English they really despise this language for some reason.[/QUOTE]She doesn't despise it, she fears it. There was a time, during the Soviet Union, when English was a forbidden language. The only people who spoke English fluently in the CCCP worked for the KGB or Intourist ( a branch of the KGB). Anyone who spoke English too well could be considered suspect. After all, what possible use could anyone have for English, other then to escape to the West?
It is strange that someone who was born after the Soviet Union should still feel this way. I think this is the difference in the provinces. A young woman her age, living and working in Moscow, would have a completely different attitude toward learning and speaking English. But then, Moscow is not in Russia.
Clever trick, reading the name tag in Cyrillic. Russian is not an easy language to learn, but even something as simple as learning the characters and pronunciation of the Cyrillic alphabet (which can be done on the flight over) will be an immense help. Even without knowing the name, it is perfectly acceptable to address any young woman you meet as, "девушка" (dyevushka).
I envy you, having the time and the freedom to explore the "real" Russia.
BTW - I created a thread for Vladimir and also for Ivanovo. It would be helpful to keep specific information about these provincial towns separate, easier to find it that way. You know, in case someone says, "Hey, I'm going to be in Vladimir for 3 days next week. What should I do?" LOL
G.--sounds like Ivanovo is back on the list. Do you remember if there was a toilet on that bus? ;)
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Despising English.
I should have been more detailed about my observation of English language hate. This is not specific to the ones I have spoken to, but over mamba many women list English on their profile but will really have no skills here. Others are simply really disliking any English conversation and I get a very aggressive vibe from them. Fair enough about the history Strav. It seems they add it to appear a little more skilled, intelligent or international which is obviously not a problem if only planning to hear blah blah from men in Russian. The ones I had meetings with have been more outward thinking and international minded and liked the opportunity to speak English. IMHO it seems on mamba, the more attractive the girl is the less likely she is going to be speaking English. Obviously has no problems attracting enough attention from Russian men.
So the dancer dropped me. She cancelled a date saying she forgot about ballet class (can't argue there) and then said no more meetings because it is senseless having a short relationship with only the prospect of "keeping in contact". I guess this was the best possible outcome because I was not planning of keeping in contact with her once I'm gone. I still hope for some farewell pornstar fucking though. Honestly, I'm still convinced that she must be 18 or 19, judging by the other women I've met so far she is just so young.
I didn't chase the cafe girl anymore by phone, but yes, some Russian skills go a long way and this is clear on other dates. I had some luck fishing on mamba again. Lined up a very nice looking blonde for next week. And I actually was fished by a 30 YO half Korean half Russian woman who came out for tea and a walk in the park last night. Nice and interesting but I didn't pull any moves with her, I just wasn't getting the vibes, closeness and opportunity. She was fun and had a great sense of humor, fantastic English and was attractive enough but with the complication of having a 10 year old daughter and being understandably cautious. She did tell me that 50% of the mothers at her daughters school are single mothers. I'm sure you other guys have noticed there are an incredibly large number of these women in their 20s with a child or 2 and divorced.
I'm sure this matter of divorce and young marriage is very complicated. Obviously if a 19 year old girl meets 19 year old boy, the 19 year old girl is going to be thinking much smarter, is more mature mentally and is already wanting marriage compounded by possible religious problems of no sex before marriage. 19 year old boy is simply thinking with his dick and how he is going to put it to use as fast as possible resulting in a fast marriage. Etc. No wonder the guys here like to stray.
Anyway, I'll keep these posts to the 'dating Russian women' because I'm not doing any P4P here, I can keep my hands full for free. If I have any information on the P4P scene I will post to the city threads. In Ivanovo I did get a quote to 5000 RUB for 2 hours, which is normal price for here. Fortunately dating the women here is quite cost effective and 3 'expensive' dinners would likely not even get over the 5000 RUB mark especially because the women here seem not to like drinking wine. A very effective date here is going for a pot of tea and a walk in the park, costs 200 RUB and is very well received. They are definitely not demanding like Muscovite girls, but they are more traditional when it comes to not wanting a 'boyfriend' but a husband. I think Muscovite girls are more realistic in that 'boyfriend' will hopefully turn into 'husband' but if not they at least are not waiting in the cold by themselves.
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[QUOTE=DavidVanSchuma;1445280]I'm sure this matter of divorce and young marriage is very complicated. Obviously if a 19 year old girl meets 19 year old boy, the 19 year old girl is going to be thinking much smarter, is more mature mentally and is already wanting marriage compounded by possible religious problems of no sex before marriage. 19 year old boy is simply thinking with his dick and how he is going to put it to use as fast as possible resulting in a fast marriage. Etc. No wonder the guys here like to stray.[/QUOTE]It is fucking crazy. Not one of the three girls I was fucking without a condom was using any birth control at all. Two asked me to cum outside them originally and one of those agreed to letting me cum inside her after I asked after a couple of times. None of them had any control with whether or not I would cum inside them. None of them had any idea I had a vasectomy and probably would not be dating me if they knew that I did.
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Vladimir
[QUOTE=DavidVanSchuma;1444459]I will be heading to Vladimir for the weekend. I will take some nice clothes to dress up in and find a wingman to visit a night club there. So there are many more tourists moving through Vladimir, which removes a lot of the excitement for Russian girl. In Ivanovo, I don't actually have to say anything interesting, intelligent, or romantic as apparently here I am these things by just being here.[/QUOTE]Not necessarily.
In Vladimir, most tourists visit during the day for a few hours and move on.
Even independent ones usually spend the first part of the day in Vladimir and then take the bus to Suzdal for the night.
If you're out and about in Vlad after dark, you won't meet many or indeed any foreigners.
By the way, you could do worse then start your evening with a bite to eat on the verandah at the back of the Hotel Vladimir and see if there's any visitors/potential 'wingmen' around.
Later on, there's a karaoke place on the same side of the main street where you might just get lucky.
But most young Russians meet up at the open spaces around the side and back of the Assumption Cathedral...
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[QUOTE=YummyPL;1445501]None of them had any idea I had a vasectomy and probably would not be dating me if they knew that I did.[/QUOTE]Maybe they take pills and lied to you, or they were quite sure they wouldn't get pregnant out of counting the days, just to make you feel a great Casanova striking at once their tender hearts. I don't want to discuss the topic of having sex at first date with a stranger (because that's what you actually were to each other) , nor the fact of doing it without condom (I'm soon going to NRW and I might, hopefully not, give in in AO clubs) , but did you ever think they might want to get pregnant?
Sorry for insisting in looking for some cheating, but all seems too fast and too deep for being in good faith, even the more naive girls should have a minimum common sense.
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[QUOTE=EastGoing;1445565], but did you ever think they might want to get pregnant? .[/QUOTE]That is exactly what I think. I suspect that they think I am a nice enough guy that I would take care of them if such a thing were to happen.
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[QUOTE=YummyPL;1445653]That is exactly what I think. I suspect that they think I am a nice enough guy that I would take care of them if such a thing were to happen.[/QUOTE]Ok, so, you left on June 22nd after 8 days of repeated inseminations, today is 13th, soon you'll get good news, LOL!
P. S. Am I right supposing that by touching or looking at your cum, one can clearly notice you had vasectomy? It should be not thick or sticky, just "water" from prostate and some glands, correct?
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[QUOTE=EastGoing; 1445680]Ok, so, you left on June 22nd after 8 days of repeated inseminations, today is 13th, soon you'll get good news, LOL!
P. S. Am I right supposing that by touching or looking at your cum, one can clearly notice you had vasectomy? It should be not thick or sticky, just "water" from prostate and some glands, correct?[/QUOTE]I saw no difference before and after the vasectomy in what the cum looked like.
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Pregnancy
I think that the pregnancy thing is an attempted method to trap the Russian men and secure one. To do everything to make it difficult for them to leave. Depending on the type of guy, it still takes a lot to just walk away from a pregnant woman if your families are rather intertwined and you have some history. Obviously this doesn't work for a foreigner who will just leave the country and you would have hopefully not divulged too much information about yourself.
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Actually, to give hard time to a guy, they don't need to really get pregnant. How would you feel if a girl whose pussy you filled with cum told you "I'm pregnant"? Or even only late on her cycle? If she asked money for abortion? If she said it's yours? If she wanted to be married? Or she wanted support for her and the baby? A big big problem, with little or nothing you can do to solve it, especially depending on the requests you get. Of course you'll want to know if she's really pregnant, if by you, but she may not cooperate, anyway still a lot of trouble. And the fact of being far away has its pros and cons, however a disaster, from all points of view, whether you believe her or not, whether you'd like to keep her (or "both") or not, whether it's true or not, you know you did it and you won't have peace anymore. Luckily for our hero, Yummy, he's sure that a claim would be an invention or the evidence that the girls were not going just with him, so nothing to fear. If that happens to him, the LOLs will cross the ocean! Ahahahahah
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[QUOTE=DavidVanSchuma;1446161]I think that the pregnancy thing is an attempted method to trap the Russian men and secure one. To do everything to make it difficult for them to leave. Depending on the type of guy, it still takes a lot to just walk away from a pregnant woman if your families are rather intertwined and you have some history. Obviously this doesn't work for a foreigner who will just leave the country and you would have hopefully not divulged too much information about yourself.[/QUOTE]Not to contradict you, but I have observed that just the opposite is often true in Russia. The local guys often refuse to wear condoms and unplanned pregnancies are commonplace amongst Russian girls. Medical care is provided by the state so getting an abortion is no big thing. DNA testing for paternal proof is not that popular yet so a Russian guy who wants to "walk away" needs only call his girlfriend a sl*t and say the baby is not his.
If anything, Western guys who impregnate Russian girls tend NOT just to fly away. My neighbor's sister works for a Russian department of social services that deals with single mothers and says that unplanned pregnancies from foreign guys are almost insignificant. And in those cases they DO hear about, the foreigner most often act responsibly and offers assistance. Ironically, she says that the BIGGER problem is that the foreigners often claim paternal rights and want to become a part of the child's life. In some cases, it's a dream come true and in other cases it's a nightmare.
However, like our friend, I was "snipped" years ago and don't worry about such things on the occasions that I have un-protected sex with local girls.
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Abortion
Interestingly I was speaking with a 22 yo Russian girl on Saturday night, she was informing me that the government here has been making abortion options more and more difficult, from what I understood possibly down to the one medical procedure from a number of options a few years back, for 2 reasons: To secure the religious vote and to increase the birth rate.
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Doing well on mama
So guys, looks like Mamba had been doing well for me. I'm 2 from 3. Enjoyable time with girl number 3 last night. 2 sessions at night and one in the morning, she was very proactive in bed and a great fuck. Wasn't as freaky as the dancer but otherwise great give her 7/10 attractiveness and 8/10 for sex and I've paid for sex from less attractive women. Regretfully. She introduced me to a great source of women here to tap, I just have to try and ditch her from this so I can roam free.
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