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Chapter 2
So I thought I ditched the 1st girl. This is not specific to Russian women, but if the guy tells them "They just want to be friends" it makes them even more curious. She was very intrigued asking questions via sms about if I have any chance or have found any other cute English speaking girls. Well it seems I've hit the jackpot today. In my pre-organization on mamba I even sent copy / paste introduction messages to girls without pictures. One interested me because she listed English. 50 kg and as far as I can remember 24 year old. I totally forgot about this one and it got lost in the many messages but she started messaging me again. Via sms I asked for a photo and bang, oh my lord have I found a hottie. I'm glad I had a warm up with the first girl in terms of dating Russian women, because now I'm onto the main course.
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Update
I will take a temporary break from the updates. All I have to say is that this thread is the best thing someone can read before entering Russia. If one has a little game and is brave, but switches it on in this country like they have nothing to lose they will be rewarded.
One thing which I didn't read that is worth adding, if one asks a Russian girl back to their apartment, regardless of how innocent this is. It is taken as meaning to fuck no matter what the circumstances. This is good to know because if the offer is ever taken up, it means that one needs to be ready and turn that game one again.
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Russian women
So I have a question for the experienced of Russia. Have you ever heard of Russian girls lying about their age. In the case saying they are older than they are? E. G. I have this one who claims that she is 25. Somewhat believable expect for such a young looking face. Something is just not quite sitting right. She has a model like stature. 179 cm tall. 50 kg, therefore long skinny legs, arms and tiny breasts. I would rate 8. 5/10 normally and 9/10 if dolled up. It's possible she doesn't get that much attention from men here even though she is very beautiful. The type of girl you see and you think would be great to have in bed, but once there isn't quite the same as a girl with killer curves. Looking at her hands and feet I believe 25 year old (but this could be due to the brutal Russian winters) , I'm not sure if that makes sense but they simply look older than say an 18 year old. But her face just looks too young, and still a few traces of acne though nothing much to notice. I'm seriously thinking 19 or 20 year old. Possibly just looking for a bit of fun with a foreign man, which I may fit in this role. I'm younger than probably most the men on this site and so assume that we wouldn't look like a couple with a large age difference walking on the street if she really was 25.
I have a few ideas about what is going on: perhaps I'm completely wrong, she really is 25.
Otherwise:
1: She is a horny university student looking for a foreign man to spend the summer with for sheer pleasure. Likes walking around with a handsome (or so I've been described) man simply to feel special, or competitively better than other women. When I'm dressed up smart I get many women noticeably checking me out, I know from the past women notice this and it either annoys them or it makes them feel good as they have a man who attracts attention from women. Considering the other 26 year old I've met, I sense a great difference in maturity. Though this could just be individual.
2: I'm horrified by this option but, younger than 18 and watches too much porn. I really don't put her as being under 18 and this would be a big surprise. She can at least hold a reasonable coversation and appears to be educated at university level. I think her English would probably be better if she was younger.
3: A scammer of some description. This also doesn't quite fit. She hasn't been wanting any expensive dinners, drinks etc, never discusses money, seems to have no problem really trying hard to pay for herself (strange, maybe been reading about behavior of Western men). She seemed quite defensive at first really questioning me if I was married, had children before it got more serious. Actually, seems to want nothing more than a man to hold her on the park bench, hand her hand and walk with her.
Some other things which get me a little curious. While waiting for the bus, I was holding her intimately which was all fine with many people around. Actually it was getting her very excited. Until someone came to the bus stop who she said was her "dance teacher" who was male. Even though she didn't want to separate from me holding her, shortly after she decided to take a taxi instead saying it was too late for the bus (which had already taken quite some time). Walked away from the bus stop trying to find a taxi, there were none around so she called one. It seemed like she was really getting a taxi as she saw one, and was thinking it was for her but it wasn't. The taxi which finally came didn't look like a taxi at all, looked like a friends car even though she got into the back seat and was not too comfortable with kissing goodnight.
Didn't post a photo on Mamba, she said she would have too many men writing to her. This is reasonably understandable but this also makes me suspect she could be younger than what she says and doesn't want someone she knows to see her. I wrote to her firstly, got a response but I never wrote back because I must have forgotten. Then a few weeks later she pursued me by writing back. This is very rare behavior I think from Russian women.
She is very beautiful but very insecure, insecurity like that of an highly intelligent 18 or 19 year old, who has simply been too intelligent for boys her age and thinks that she isn't special because she doesn't get their attention.
Clearly watches too much porn. This is will not elaborate on, maybe some other time.
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Provincial Life
[QUOTE=DavidVanSchuma; 1441392]Things to note may be, apparently studying English is incredibly popular out in the Russian provinces. I sat down to drinks with 2 Russian men and one stunner of a girl who kept looking at me (pratically with her mouth open salivating) she could understand me but not speak English.
The advice about taking the lead, paying for the check etc. It is the key, do not even consider the discussion that the check is split. Just take the check and pay without even flinching. I think this makes a Russian woman incredibly interested because even though they think the western man is sensitive, and it's important to be also a man, giving them this side is the icing on the cake for them. They think Russian men are angry, unhappy, insensitive.
One thing which I didn't read that is worth adding, if one asks a Russian girl back to their apartment, regardless of how innocent this is. It is taken as meaning to fuck no matter what the circumstances. This is good to know because if the offer is ever taken up, it means that one needs to be ready and turn that game one again.
If one has a little game and is brave, but switches it on in this country like they have nothing to lose they will be rewarded.[/QUOTE]Well - you're certainly learning, David!
Lots of good and accurate observations there.
I'm old enough to remember what life was like decades ago and that's kinda the way it is in Russia.
The women there are like Western women of the 60s and 70s, over and under-layed with Russian culture and soul.
There can still be a little bit of 'White God Factor' with some of these provincial girls when they meet with Western, English-speaking men.
You have to balance that with the latent xenophobia of the occasional male counterpart, who, in a lot of cases will never have met anyone from the West, and will not appreciate the effect you are having on the female who has turned down the alcoholic advances of himself and his mates, perhaps.
So, enjoy yourself by all means, but just keep your wits about you, as well, and all will be fine...
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DVS,
Not sure what your concern is. All women lie about their age, Russians included, but usually to appear younger, not older. Are you concerned that she is under-age?
If this is true, then maybe it is important for her to impress you with her age and maturity.
Sounds like her figure is not so much that of a model, as it is of a dancer.
She is obviously concerned about being recognized, for some reason.
As Gergiev says, enjoy yourself, but be careful and keep your wits about you.
A woman who watches too much porn... now there's a novel concept!
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Provinces
i was a bit paranoid firstly for the **** thing and about it being simply too easy, but everything seems to be ok. i was just curious if anyone had heard before of **** girls pretending to be older here. it can happen elsewhere. but there is no chance she is under 18, i think saying 25 would be too excessive for a 17 year old. realistically they would say just over age like 18 or 19.
your not wrong there strav, you obviously know women, dancer is a much better description.
also, too much porn. i'm not sure about too much but enough. i've seen my fair share of internet porn and at least know the difference between what happens in a porn movie and what generally happens in real life, (not p4p). but when you feel like your in a porn movie because the girl (not a pro) is acting like a porn star is an interesting experience. definitely here if girl agrees to enter your apartment there is little doubt that you will be fucking very shortly. nice afternoon of fucking 3 times, came first after a good session but was still hard and she was still keen so whacked on another condom and went for it until a second orgasm. after a shower and about 15 mins recup was back at it for even longer and she wanted to finish me off bbbj and to my surprise tried to cum shot / facial herself and spat out some saliva at the same time (i don't think i got cum in her mouth). i wasn't really expecting this, on my back, and wasn't aiming at her face and i surprisingly still had a lot of juice in the tank. so it wasn't a successful cumshot, but she still gave it an attempt, only seeing this in porn a lot could make her think this is the thing to do (or ex-man who requested porn-like behavior). so she quite enjoyed it and after was looking at, caressing my dick saying "i really like this". i'd say all over experience and girl 9/10. i will be seeing her again very shortly.
i like the russian women!
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[QUOTE=DavidVanSchuma;1443303]I like the Russian women![/QUOTE]Sounds like you grabbed the brass ring in this one: 19 year old babe, with a dancer's body and fucks like a porn star.
Careful of the dancers, I'm not saying she's going to pull a Black Swan on you, but they can be temperamental and high-strung.[/QUOTE]
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Grabbed the brass ring
"Grabbed the brass ring", well that is an expression I have never heard and needed to look up, but a very nice one.
I got together again with the 25? Year old for dinner and a walk at the end of the weekend. I learn quickly and an invitation of returning to my apartment is not accepted unless there is some sort of false context to coming. E. G. Looking at some photos, really any excuse will do so long as there is an attempt. She's not interested in actually looking at these it seems. Had another nice session fucking like crazy for a long session and having her finish me off again BBBJ and she seems to love cum, just not yet in her mouth. Shortly after she was saying she needed to be getting home but she couldn't get herself out the door as she was too attached to me, actually it seems she likes rubbing her pussy on me. Something I've never experienced before. I'm convinced she enjoys porn and masturbating. Eventually I just carried her back to the bed and she was keen for round 2 but fucking with clothes still on and panties pulled to the side, no time to remove them. After this walked her home which was a long long walk of at least 45 mins but she is just so keen to have a man in her life it seems.
Meeting again I was somewhat skeptical on her age but she was showing me her vk profile and while it doesn't list an age, everything regarding her story seems to fit in place and would be hard to keep going through with if young. I will call her girl #2.
Girl #1 I ditched at the end of the weekend. Beautiful, high income, large brown eyes, nice tits, curvy body and arse. I had a few interesting dates with her and I was convinced I was going to end it in person before I spent the day with her but just couldn't bring myself to it with her all dolled up and wanting to be holding the magnificent arse she has. But at the end of the day tried to get a kiss and it was terrible and she is simply costing too much to date without any intimacy or affection. Gave her the flick via email. She was also super aggressive about me surfing mamba while still 'dating'.
Girl #2 also had been keeping a watch over me on Mamba and did question me why I've still be logging in. I've given Mamba a small break for now as she is keeping me well drained of energy.
So anyway this weekend I will be venturing off to another city for a bit of adventure. Larger more touristic city which should provide some possibility of picking up in a club, bar scene if I can play the game right.
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[QUOTE=DavidVanSchuma;1444087]"Grabbed the brass ring", well that is an expression I have never heard and needed to look up, but a very nice one.[/QUOTE]The Brass Ring is a game you play while riding a carousel. I think it may be a uniquely American custom, not sure if the carousels in Europe have them, but in the U.S. there is a long dispenser that extends out towards the riders on the carousel. There are rings inside the dispenser and they are just small enough and positioned far enough away from the riders that it takes some skill to grab one of the rings with your finger as you go flying by. But if you succede, you get a prize.
Sounds like you won. :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brass_ring
Thanks for the reports, it's good to have a different perspective. Can you tell us what city you will be visiting next?
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Ivanovo
My Moscovite girlfriend has been sent by her company to open a new branch in Ivanovo.
She says it is a beautiful but boring place.
In Russia, Ivanovo is called "the city of brides" because many women work in the textile industry and they make perfect brides: beautiful and not too demanding.
Well, my moscovite girlfriend is beautiful, but demanding. .
She wants me to visit there. No flights. 300km with bad roads. Best option is 5 hours by train!
Kind regards to all!
[QUOTE=Gergiev; 1434330]Oh god, please don't take me back to Ivanovo. Once was enough!
But don't worry about taking a 'slow train'. There is no other kind.
Actually, just thinking about it, I don't think it can be done by train.
We'll need to get off at Kostroma and take the 'bus' to Ivanovo.
Which is an experience you'll never forget, riding flat-out in a ramshackle conveyance that literally jumps the tar joinings on the road, every 100 meters or so.
Yep, Strav, we'll need plenty of the old Zim spirit when those other spirits of yours run out. Like the great man once sang.
"Flowers on the hillside, bloomin' crazy.
Crickets talkin' back and forth in rhyme.
Blue river runnin' slow and lazy.
I could stay with you forever and never realize the time."[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Gergiev; 1434330]Oh god, please don't take me back to Ivanovo. Once was enough!
But don't worry about taking a 'slow train'. There is no other kind.
Actually, just thinking about it, I don't think it can be done by train.
We'll need to get off at Kostroma and take the 'bus' to Ivanovo.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bimbo Boy;1444358]She wants me to visit there. No flights. 300km with bad roads. Best option is 5 hours by train! [/QUOTE]
Actually there seems to be a flight now. $280 USD round trip from DME to IWA airports. http://www.rusline.aero/
Why wouldn't you want to return to a city with such a high ratio of women?
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Flight to Ivanovo
[QUOTE=YummyPL;1444382]Actually there seems to be a flight now. $280 USD round trip from DME to IWA airports. http://www.rusline.aero/[/QUOTE]Spassiba YummyPL!
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Ivanovo
Yes, the flight from Domodedovo to Ivanovo is comfortable method. Cost approx 100 EUR return.
I had a strangely big change in attitude from the dancer now. Suddenly wanted to put off seeing me for the whole week. She said it would be too hard for herself when I leave. In one way that is a shame because she was such a lucky find, amazing fuck and was lovely. I was happy to stick with her. Oh well, they come and they go. She also had just the right amount of English, bad enough that she speaks Russian frequently to me but good enough that she understands me, for me the perfect amount. Like a wise person once told me,"the best place to learn a new language is in bed". We will see, she was super horny so I can't imagine she will not contact me when she gets that itch which needs to be scratched.
This puts me back to square one as I ditched girl #1. Ivanovo was not an easy place to meet women, so far (even though 2 were a handful). It's not like they attack you on the street. English is not widely spoken enough to start speaking to a girl on the street in English and expect a date or exchange of phone number. It does take some intelligent observation, cunning and opportunistic behavior. I was having a coffee with girl #2 and when I went to pay the bill inside the barrista girl was very excited with a foreigner and the opportunity to speak English. I will be dropping back there for a well needed coffee this afternoon. I think when you get some English conversation out of someone in their work-place which is facing towards the public, this is a perfect opportunity to request a number under the guise of being a foreigner who knows no one.
Back to Mamba also. I will be using the DVS-shotgun approach (free). Go to the top 100 for the city, look at every profile and any which list English send a copy / paste generic "Hello, I would like to get to know you." message until 20 messages have been used. All the others which list English add to favourite list and send message the next day, repeat until there are enough bites to keep you busy. If not enough bites from the 100 list, just head to the search for the city and repeat. There are from my memory 2500 women in the 18. 30 year old bracket in Ivanovo, which would keep someone very busy with this approach and you need to hope for some interest in your profile. 20 messages per day is rather limited. I've learnt not to waste too much time with typing conversation, send your phone number rather soon and request a meeting in person (in public). They like pro-activeness. If you can't speak Russian, don't waste time with google translate. I did this with a few but it would be just way to awkward in public. They get super excited by Russian conversation over mamba but I think they would just be disappointed in person.
Also, Strav. I will be heading to Vladimir for the weekend. I will take some nice clothes to dress up in and find a wingman to visit a night club there. So there are many more tourists moving through Vladimir, which removes a lot of the excitement for Russian girl. In Ivanovo, I don't actually have to say anything interesting, intelligent, or romantic as apparently here I am these things by just being here.
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Beautiful Ivanovo
[QUOTE=Bimbo Boy; 1444358]My Moscovite girlfriend has been sent by her company to open a new branch in Ivanovo.
She says it is a beautiful but boring place.[/QUOTE]Like they say,"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder". I'm sure there are some people out there in the wide world that consider downtown Kabul or Baghdad beautiful places, others not so. I'm surprised your Muscovite girlfriend really considers it beautiful. Boring place, but there is definitely fun to be found.
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[QUOTE=DavidVanSchuma;1444459]Back to Mamba also. I will be using the DVS-shotgun approach (free). Go to the top 100 for the city, look at every profile and any which list English send a copy / paste generic "Hello, I would like to get to know you." message until 20 messages have been used. All the others which list English add to favourite list and send message the next day, repeat until there are enough bites to keep you busy. If not enough bites from the 100 list, just head to the search for the city and repeat. There are from my memory 2500 women in the 18. 30 year old bracket in Ivanovo, which would keep someone very busy with this approach and you need to hope for some interest in your profile. 20 messages per day is rather limited. I've learnt not to waste too much time with typing conversation, send your phone number rather soon and request a meeting in person (in public). They like pro-activeness. If you can't speak Russian, don't waste time with google translate. I did this with a few but it would be just way to awkward in public. They get super excited by Russian conversation over mamba but I think they would just be disappointed in person.[/QUOTE]In contrast to my success other places, I have been doing horribly on Mamba. (