[QUOTE=Alxxx]But keep in mind, that "dating for free" in Moscow will be far more expensive than "dating" not for free" lol. should be more fun though.[/QUOTE]
Amen to that, bro, on both counts.
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[QUOTE=Alxxx]But keep in mind, that "dating for free" in Moscow will be far more expensive than "dating" not for free" lol. should be more fun though.[/QUOTE]
Amen to that, bro, on both counts.
Hello,
I have been dating a Russian woman on the internet for a while. We will meet. She wants to go Vilnius, Lithuania. I live in Sweden. She has got a rail ticket Moscow. Vilnius and paid for 3 single nights in Vilnius. We are planing to stay at the same hotel. Now she says that she will go to China, for a business trip, and since her passport expires in September (China demands min. 6 months validity after the last date on her Chinese visa) , she needs to get a new passport. Can she still use her old passport for the trip to Lithuania, and make the new passport. Or does she need to hand in the old passport while making a new passport, barring her for international trips for a month. Or is she lying. She is in her 30:s and is good looking. I have not sent any money. There seem to be some special, not Schengen, visa valid for Lithuania, if you have prepaid everything. She seems to have enough money, but as I have only met her in Skype, who knows.
My question: Can you make a new passport (international and biometric) and still continue to use the old one.
It seems that they last year, in Russia, made some new biometric passports, why did she not get a new one at that time, valid for 10 years. If she, as she says is working for a big international company in Moscow, it seems strange. Maybe she just does not want to meet me.
[QUOTE=Skane Henrik;1121449]My question: Can you make a new passport (international and biometric) and still continue to use the old one.[/QUOTE]That's a tough one. Most countries do not want you to have two valid regular passports at the same time. While it's possible to have two passports, it's more common for one of them to be valid for a shorter period. The problem is that getting a new International passport in Russia can take forever. Sometimes up to 6 months. A lot of it has to do with where you live now and where you are actually from.
Many countries (USA) require you to surrender your existing passport (if it is still valid) while you have applied for a new one. In the US, it's not that much of a problem because turnaround for a renewal is quick. But in Russia (I am told) , it might take a long time to renew your passport so apparently, there is a new law that lets you KEEP your existing passport while your new one is being processed. But once you apply for the new one, the passport office puts big hole in your old one signifying that you have a new one in process.
So I dunno man. Maybe she has changed her mind.
Good luck
It seems that she has changed her mind. It was not exactly true about visa, biometric passports and so on. It seems that you can ("can" used in a Russian way) use the old passport, while you are making a new passport. But she "did not have time to go Lithuania".
Ok, no money lost for me. That is life.
A lot has been written about dating Russian women. They are a lot different from Western women in a lot ways so what I add in this post is not so much a new perspective on anything so much as a recap of an interesting conversation I had recently with a Russian woman. She's lived in Moscow for about 10 years but was born and raised in Siberia. So I guess that does not really make a Moskvitchka in the true sense but for the purpose of this discussion I think she can qualify. She's in her early 30's. A professional with a very good salary. Probably makes more money than 95% of Moscow women.
No, I'm not fucking her (yet) so it was a pretty candid conversation in her apartment over tea. We had gone out with a group of people (mostly colleagues) to this concert and several of us ended up at her apartment (let's call her Oksana) for tea. Everyone was gone except me and we chatted over one last pot of tea. It was an interesting conversation reflecting on her last boyfriend (Let's call him Boris). He wasn't Russian but British. Well, he was born and raised in Britain to Russian parents who emigrated. He's fluent in Russian so she decided she might get the best of both worlds.
She told me they went on vacation together to the tropics and that she left him after a few days and went to another island. I asked her why and she said because he treated her badly. After a lot of probing I found out that the source of the problem was that Boris insisted that she pay her fair share of the holiday. Just to be clear, they are both professionals earning about the same amount of money (truth be told I think she earns more).
I pressed her a bit on her logic and she said that the man HAS to pay. It's just the way it is. After all, he's just using her. Using her body, using her time, using her emotion and it's only 50:50 at best that he will even stick around so why SHOULDN'T he pay?
I think that comment speaks volumes about the mindset of your average Moscow girl these days.
Anyone care to chime in?
[QUOTE=Jake993; 1136659].
After all, he's just using her. Using her body, using her time, using her emotion and it's only 50:50 at best that he will even stick around so why SHOULDN'T he pay?
[/QUOTE]Hey Jake if I was you, I replied to her: " he is using you IN THE SAME WAY as you use him, use his body, his time and his emotions.".
The real question, only half ironical, is why shouldn't SHE pay him?
Cause she has pussy?
ASAP better we realize we have dick and not they have pussy.
The real problem?
There are too little Boris in the world to change the female attitudes in these times, too many men are so desperate for a piece of pussy and willing to pay without problem any price, these men spoil forever women for all us and the women understood so well their power-pussy and they, and not we, are using us.
What is really interesting is that the Oksana type usually, sooner or later, fall in love for the typical "bastard", the Man that do not care to pay, that has many women and that he plays hard to get with women in the same way women play with every man and believe it or not, for this man women as Oksana will give gifts and so on to catch his attention.
The 90% of men fight between themself to get 10% of women and the 10% of men can easily have the 90% of women without fighting at all :D
[QUOTE=Jake993;1136659]Anyone care to chime in?[/QUOTE]Personally I NEVER EVER let my GFs pay for their drinks, entrance to a club, share in restaurant or whatever. IMO this is not only a question of elementary male courtesy, but this also reminds them of their status in the relationship, and who is the dominant player.
Nonetheless I also never let them dictate me how spend money on them, it would be pathetic to do so.
Every (true) Russian woman expects the man to pay. This is the way they have been raised. Makes no difference where they are; Tahiti, L. A, Manhattan or Odessa (Texas). This is a fundamental understanding all Russian women have about men.
I have met many Russian women here in the States. Most of them came here as the bride of an American man and then split up. At some point they find themselves dating again and eventually they all come to me (well, the ones who know me) for advice: about American men. Russian women find American men almost as difficult to understand as Russian women are for us. One of the problems Russian women have is that American men expect the woman to pay for everything and this is simply incomprehensible to a Russian woman. Of course, they don't understand that American men have been trained to act this way by American women. So, I have to explain to them the history of male / female relationships in America over the past 40 years. American women have basically lost any vestigial remains of femininity and no longer bear any resemblance to an actual woman. But I digress. . . Jackson has a whole thread devoted to American women and we could discuss that subject ad nauseum.
I remember something I read by Nietzsche once, long time ago, and it has always stuck in my head,"there are no men here, therefore their women make themselves as men. For only a man can truly redeem the woman in woman." Yes, Friedrich could be a little corny at times, but it has a certain ring of truth to it.
So, what's all this got to do with your dyev? Lukasek is absolutely right: the poor thing is conflicted. She has reached a point in her life where she has enough disposable income to call the shots. But, way deep down inside her Russkaya dooshah, she yearns for a real man who will dominate her. Slap her around a little when she's bad, keep her in line and give her direction and purpose in her life.
Because, ultimately, that's the only way she can be sure he really loves her.
In that regard, us Western guys can all take a lesson from our Russian brethren. Never spoil the female, it leads to nothing but disaster. Keep her on the straight and narrow, never ask her to make important decisions: it just makes her nervous and irritable. Take charge, make the decisions, call the shots and be sure to pay for everything and she will be happy. And when a Russian woman is truly happy, well. . . We should all be so lucky.
[QUOTE=Lukasek;1136675]The 90% of men fight between themself to get 10% of women and the 10% of men can easily have the 90% of women without fighting at all :D[/QUOTE]Luka. You crack me up. You really do. That is hilarious but so, so true.
Prosal. Well put. Pay for everything. Call the shots. Everyone is happy. Or as happy as a Russia woman CAN be.
Strav. Philosophic as always. But that is a VERY interesting analysis. And you are probably right too. I never though for one second that Russian women had the same quandary over American men that we do about them. But now that you mention it, I bet it DOES cause them some heartburn. Being all attentive and "touchy feely" one minute and then expecting their half of the bill the next. I never really gave it much thought.
Went to the new Chesterfield's last night (Thursday).
Apparently, Thursday nights are Latin Night.
OH. MY. GOD.
There had to have been 200 chicks there ALL wanting to latin dance.
The 15 or 20 guys were getting over whelmed.
They had a Latino dance band on stage and the place was throbbing.
Of course, not ALL chicks who like to latin dance are hot but there was a respectable percentage that were most definitely fuckable.
Check it out. Novy Arbat. 19
[QUOTE=Jake993; 1174176]Went to the new Chesterfield's last night (Thursday).
Apparently, Thursday nights are Latin Night.
OH. MY. GOD.
There had to have been 200 chicks there ALL wanting to latin dance.
The 15 or 20 guys were getting over whelmed.
They had a Latino dance band on stage and the place was throbbing.
Of course, not ALL chicks who like to latin dance are hot but there was a respectable percentage that were most definitely fuckable.
Check it out. Novy Arbat. 19[/QUOTE]Thanks Jack, that's useful info. Salsa clubs in FSU, it's like shooting fish in a barrel, if you are white (non african) and dance salsa. You babnik you! (wink)
Jake,
Thanks for the heads up on the new Chesterfield's. Not only was Thursday Latin night, but it looks like you got in for free. Did you find someone to take home? Or was it strictly dancing?
[url]http://www.chester-bar.ru[/url]
[QUOTE=Jake993; 1136659]She told me they went on vacation together to the tropics and that she left him after a few days and went to another island. I asked her why and she said because he treated her badly. After a lot of probing I found out that the source of the problem was that Boris insisted that she pay her fair share of the holiday. Just to be clear, they are both professionals earning about the same amount of money (truth be told I think she earns more).
I pressed her a bit on her logic and she said that the man HAS to pay. It's just the way it is. After all, he's just using her. Using her body, using her time, using her emotion and it's only 50:50 at best that he will even stick around so why SHOULDN'T he pay?[/QUOTE]Well, this is an unusual situation. Usually we are dealing with dyevs who make far less that us so it is completely unreasonable to expect that they should pay. So the question is moot.
In fact, often they are dating us in part to experience the nice things that money can buy, and to be treated "like a lady". Wined and dined and whatnot.
Furthermore, there is kind of an implicit bargain. We pay for dinner and they repay us with sex.
A great bargain! (I don't mean bargain as "cheap" since P4P may be cheaper, but bargain as an agreement).
Why would we want to change that?
So this case, which I guess is becoming more common, is when the woman actually has the resources, but still expects the man to pay.
First, she was raised in the environment mentioned above. Women could not pay so the man always did. That mindset is not going to change overnight.
Second, having a man who is willing and able to pay is her normal way of judging whether the man is worthy or not. What other criteria can she use?
In fact, it is mostly the same in the west. A successful and affluent woman does not say,"I have enough $ to pay, so I will Joe the good-looking mechanic at the garage."
No, she uses her comfortable position to reach higher in the successful male hierarchy. It was always thus and continues to be so.
The difference is that buying a western woman dinner will not automatically lead to sex (not by a long shot) , whereas with Russian women the odds are pretty good.
So we should not bemoan that increasingly affluent dyevs continue to expect a free lunch (which, in any event we expect them to pay for in other coin).
We should celebrate it and continue to exploit it. Nevertheless, we must also do as Prosal and Strav advise, pay. But control the decision-making and remain the "man" in the relationship.
GT
Hello,
I have read this forum with great pleasure (thank you all!) and have now reached a point when I will make a post. First post out is asking you for advice on a date since there must be a massive amount of experience here of dating Russian girls. I have had contact with a girl through Mamba. Ru, and now we are about to meet. Not any big plans or so, just meeting for a chat. Anyway, I am in Moscow, and she is of course in Moscow. So far so good. No first class tickets payed over WU here.
I have dated Russian women before, but never in Moscow, only back in Europe. Western "civilization" should not have changed them too much, should it? So, what makes me hesitate is that she suggested to meet. OK, I'm quite well-behaved and look good, but for me it is very usual that women ask men out. And I definitely did not expect this in Moscow. The ones of you who are more updated on the Moscow dating scene maybe can tell if there is something fishy or if I'm just being paranoid?
In case all goes well I might have material for a report, my very first case story. So thanks in advance for your answers!
Yes, I read Alexxx' wise words: " "dating for free" in Moscow will be far more expensive than "dating" not for free"; but I will still try.
[QUOTE=RikkyT;1243624]The ones of you who are more updated on the Moscow dating scene maybe can tell if there is something fishy or if I'm just being paranoid?[/QUOTE]You're being paranoid. The worst thing you could do would be to over-think the situation. Forget everything you think you know about women and just relax and enjoy the ride.