[QUOTE=Prosal]Russians are undoubtedly more emotional and genuinely passionate than ukrainian women.[/QUOTE]x100.
No comparison.
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[QUOTE=Prosal]Russians are undoubtedly more emotional and genuinely passionate than ukrainian women.[/QUOTE]x100.
No comparison.
I don't see how a "spoiled girl" can be categorised as a "freebie" on a short holiday. Chances is after at least two fully serviced nights out and one present you are spending the same than P2P but with considerable more hassle and time (the most precious commodity).
And maintaining a spoiled girl for a long term fuck buddy relationship I think it is called in Russia "sponsorship"
Don't get my wrong, I am a freebie lover for the genuine excitement of the chasing and conquering but there is nothing such as a free lunch nowadays I am afraid.
By the way, Kiev is worst than Moscow. Too many tourists, too many strip clubs, too many marriage agencies, too many golddiggers. I am keen in exploring Minsk.
Vigilantexx
[QUOTE=Prosal]A girl a bit "spoiled" isn't necessarily that bad. As long as you are aware of her nature and you manipulate her more cunningly than she (tries to) manipulate you.
When you are on a three or four weeks sex-vacations in a single place, and if your goal is to fuck as many hot freebies as possible, it's IMO easier to deal with "spoiled girls" than with genuinely passionate and emotional girls. That is what makes me seriously hesitating about a - scheduled - long stay in Moscow. My two current GFs there (who both come regularly here in Paris) are WAY too involved in the relationship for that I could really freely move when I will be on site. And honestly, manipulating and cheating such girls is not fair.
I wonder if in that respect (vacations dedicated to a max of no strings attached hot flings with freebie sluts), Ukraine isn't better than Russia ?!?
It would be really interesting to have specialists opinion on this point.
What about Belarussian girls by the way ? ...they are obviously not as "wild" as their Russian counterparts, but what about their other characteristics?[/QUOTE]
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What about Belarussian girls by the way ? ...they are obviously not as "wild" as their Russian counterparts, but what about their other characteristics?[/QUOTE]
Interesting point !
I think Belarussian girls are even more emotional and genuily passionate than russians due to the low number of mongers and zero tourists going there. ( if girl asks why are you in Moscow or Piter, you can answer business or tourism. In the russian provincies answer for business, no tourism there. But wtf you answer if she asks why are you in ..... Gomel :D )
I am pretty sure they are less spoiled, they travel for example much less than russians. ( I am thinking right now how many russians go to Egypt in comparison of Belarussians going there for example... ).
They are more poor, more stuck in their country, almost a prison under their "beloved" Lukashenko and more willing to escape forever with the trick of marriage.
And for one girl travel to west europe, watching and thinking how native women in west europe behave, it means she will go back home and spoil 10 friends of her telling how in west europe usually women and not men lead.
I never been to Minsk, I am just guessing, but I read a lot of Belarussia thread in the years and I chatted with some and met 2 in FKK.
They are much more into relationship than into the simple one night of fun, so it takes time to get one of them naked, so probably this is the reason why only very few of us went to Belarussia together the fact that prostitution there is illegal, so mongering scene is almost zero in comparison to Russia and UA.
Obviously imho, but I have the feeling I am not so far from the truth....
Oooh, Russian, Bielorussians, Ukrainians,... Pro and versus, the same old story, the difference is how the man plays the tricky game, we are sure, capital cities are spoilt, better in provinces but they are not for beginners, Moscow is simply too much expensive for hunting, serious relationships? If they exist, they need time, time, time (and time is money).
Just for your fun, a similar story I am hearing here in North Italy, before a lot of Italians went to Romania (and they have allowed Romanian criminals to come to Italy) and now the new trend is to go to Talinn because somebody says "a retired man can hire a "personal blowjober" with 200 euros/month". Does it mean we have to go to Estonia and not to Bielorussia?
Tallinn is totally spoilt, originally by Finns going for cheaper alcohol and after they joined EU by the hordes of Brits with stag-dos plus Italians, Spanish etc...
Sweet memories, in 98 Disco Hollywood was the closest thing I even saw to the Playboy Mansion, with an impossibly high ratio female:male and unreal beautiful creatures.
Baltic beauty is the perfect combination of of Slavic and Scandinavian features. Personality wise they are pretty much Scandinavian although not of course almost half of the population, who has Russian roots and feel themselves as Russians.
200€ can be spent in a single night out a Cafe Amigo, personal blowers can not live on that.
Vigilante
[QUOTE=Acolonizer]Oooh, Russian, Bielorussians, Ukrainians,... Pro and versus, the same old story, the difference is how the man plays the tricky game, we are sure, capital cities are spoilt, better in provinces but they are not for beginners, Moscow is simply too much expensive for hunting, serious relationships? If they exist, they need time, time, time (and time is money).
Just for your fun, a similar story I am hearing here in North Italy, before a lot of Italians went to Romania (and they have allowed Romanian criminals to come to Italy) and now the new trend is to go to Talinn because somebody says "a retired man can hire a "personal blowjober" with 200 euros/month". Does it mean we have to go to Estonia and not to Bielorussia?[/QUOTE]
It was just a funny tale. Estonia should be less poor than Ukraine because it joined EU and therefore it is no possible 200 euros to fuck a Baltic beauty for a whole month.
Anyway I had considered baltic females and their phenotype is very interesting but the weather is too cold for me. I think the best country for me is Ukraine!
Towns and females spoilt? By now, all Eastern countries are pretty emancipated. All Westerners should change their behaviour otherwise we shall find the same feminism power both in West and in East in few years, with NO matter about economical crisis.
[QUOTE=Vigilantemoscow]Tallinn is totally spoilt, originally by Finns going for cheaper alcohol and after they joined EU by the hordes of Brits with stag-dos plus Italians, Spanish etc.
Sweet memories, in 98 Disco Hollywood was the closest thing I even saw to the Playboy Mansion, with an impossibly high ratio female:male and unreal beautiful creatures.
Baltic beauty is the perfect combination of of Slavic and Scandinavian features. Personality wise they are pretty much Scandinavian although not of course almost half of the population, who has Russian roots and feel themselves as Russians.
200€ can be spent in a single night out a Cafe Amigo, personal blowers can not live on that.
Vigilante[/QUOTE]
This isn't really about dating Russian women, rather an observation. I spend most morning writing in a small cafe here in my neighborhood in Berlin. Every week on Tuesday or Wednesday there is a group of Russian MILFs who gather (between 6-8 of them) and spend half an hour to an hour drinking Lattes and talking. As the title of the post suggests their conversation resembles nothing less than a Wall of Sound. Rarely have I heard such volume and with all the women talking at the same time, nobody appearing to listen to anyone else. I know all (or many)women share some of this trait, but these Russian MILFs seem to be on a level all their own. The only thing that seems to stop them is their cell phones...
Does anyone have any comments on this? On Russian women and their ability to drown a room in sound when they get together?
[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Does anyone have any comments on this? On Russian women and their ability to drown a room in sound when they get together?[/QUOTE]
Yes Angus, women together do make more sound than on their own.
Cheers Nickc
Don't.
Only women of fortune
FF
[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Does anyone have any comments on this? On Russian women and their ability to drown a room in sound when they get together?[/QUOTE]Women are always talking, no question about that. But, you're right, Russian woman have elevated the usual female chatter to a high art: they can spend hours talking about absolutely nothing.
As far as the volume is concerned, it's not usually a characteristic of Russian female conversation, under normal circumstances. However, I've had a chance to observe Russians outside of Russia and there is a type of Russian who believes that they are somehow superior, once they get outside of Russia and they want the whole world to know it. For some reason there are a lot of Russians (tourists) in Wien, not sure why, but I have heard Russian spoken just about everywhere when I have been there. I was having breakfast in my hotel one morning and happened to be seated next to a couple of very pretentious bogati zhenshini (rich women). They were making quite a fuss over the buffet and whether or not they would have the waffles or the arboos (watermelon) and commiserating over the quality of the bulochni (pastries). That was one time I wish I could have turned off my understanding of Russian, just for an hour.
I imagine the kaffe klatch in your cafe is trying to achieve the same goal. If they are living in Berlin, then they are probably well-married and well-to-do and they want the whole world to know it. The next time they get out of hand, you might try admonishing them with the following:
Девушки! разговаривать тихо пожалуйста
[i]DYEV-ooshki! raz-ga-VAR-i-vat TI-kho pa-ZHAL-oos-ta[/i]
Girls, talk quietly please.
That should shut them up, for a few minutes anyway.
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]The next time they get out of hand, you might try admonishing them with the following:
Девушки! разговаривать тихо пожалуйста
[i]DYEV-ooshki! raz-ga-VAR-i-vat TI-kho pa-ZHAL-oos-ta[/i]
Girls, talk quietly please.
That should shut them up, for a few minutes anyway.[/QUOTE]
Simpler to say "TAK GROAM KA!" ([you're] so loud!) Russians appreciate directness.
And I'm with Strav - Russian women are not inherently louder than women of other nationalities. In fact, I'd say American women typically speak much louder than most Russians I hear.
[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Russians appreciate directness[/QUOTE]Very true. Even more to the point... молчи! mol-CHEE (shut-up). But then, that would probably be rude.
Angus,
Can't help but wonder, are any of these women "do-able"? I mean, here you have these Russian MILF's, with clearly way too much time on their hands. Maybe there is a possibility for some love in the afternoon?
[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Angus,
Can't help but wonder, are any of these women "do-able"? I mean, here you have these Russian MILF's, with clearly way too much time on their hands. Maybe there is a possibility for some love in the afternoon?[/QUOTE]
I was actually wondering this myself. Usually I am not that attracted to MILFs. But there was one in the crowd this past Monday who appealed to me-very tall with streaked blond hair wearing a tight pair of white jeans. And I did manage to catch her eye as she was leaving and got back a glance-and then another as she walked by on the sidewalk on the way to her large SUV. I can only hope that I see her there again soon, maybe without her entourage of GFs, as in those situations it is difficult (but not impossible) to make contact. At least for me.
Maybe you more experienced Russian MILF freebie hunters can suggest a separation technique? Should anything come of it you gents would be the first to know I promise. And pics if possible...
On another matter-one of the owners of this cafe has what I think is a Russian wife. Or at least she comes, I think from one of the FSU states and must have some tartar blood in her. She is very tall, wild looking and with piercing eyes. But man, these two can fight, very publicly, about almost anything. Often though I think it is about hubbies' wandering eye. The other day they had a smack down fight complete with slapping (her to him) and hair pulling (him to her) around the sidewalk. You got to wonder what kind of sex these two get up to?
AM
[QUOTE=Angus Magee]she comes, I think from one of the FSU states and must have some tartar blood in her. She is very tall, wild looking and with piercing eyes.[/QUOTE]Well, clearly, you are after the wrong woman! ;)
Pizdyets is right, it's best to be direct with Russian women. If you are too coy or wishy-washy, they might think you are "blue" (gay).
I'm not sure what the language situation is; do they speak German? are you speaking Russian? does everyone speak English? But if you have a chance to meet your favorite MILF again, simply say:
[i]pree-vyet[/i], hello
and ask her for her name:
[i]kahk vass zah-VOOT, DYEV-ush-ka?[/i] What's your name girl?
She may look down her nose at you and say:
[i]Nee skah-zhoo[/i], I'm not saying
or she could flash you a smile and tell you her name. At that point you've got your foot in the door and I'm sure you can take it from there.
It will probably by impossible to break up the kaffe klatch, so... if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. If you have an "in" with the cafe owner, you might want to tell him that you will pick up the check for their table the next time you're there. Just make sure that your favorite MILF is present that day: the gesture will not be lost on her. It will cost you something, but how expensive can it be for a half dozen cappuccinos? It's better than paying for a couple ounces of Beluga.
There will, of course, me much clucking and razgavarivari-ing by the kvochki (hens) once they realize they have an admirer, and you might use that opportunity to introduce yourself, keeping an eye, of course, on your favorite MILF. If you're lucky, they might invite you to join them. One could do worse than to while away a Monday afternoon with a table of Russian MILFs (I wish). If everything goes well, someone might even come over to your table and tell you all to shut-up. ;)
Of course, if you have no common language with them, then this will be very difficult, if not impossible.
[QUOTE=Lukasek] ( if girl asks why are you in Moscow or Piter, you can answer business or tourism. In the russian provincies answer for business, no tourism there. But wtf you answer if she asks why are you in ..... Gomel :D )[/QUOTE]You are doing radiological testing for a long term study on the effects of Chernobyl.
And you would like to sample her bodily fluids...