Stravinsky. She comes from the second biggest city in Ukraine but her parents is Russian.
So I did book flights and hotel today. Going to Kiev with her from 4th-7th of May. Will report how this story ends.
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Stravinsky. She comes from the second biggest city in Ukraine but her parents is Russian.
So I did book flights and hotel today. Going to Kiev with her from 4th-7th of May. Will report how this story ends.
The vets of this site know the "real" and while this forum is for finding women for sex, nobody said those encounters don't turn into relationships. Nor is the only subject here screwing P4P women.
Actually this forum runs the whole gambit from pure sexual relationships with prostitutes, to hooking up with the clerk at the local clothing shop, marrying that girl and having kids.
Though its not often discussed here, it does come up from time to time.
I find information here much more accurate and up-to-date than other sites that talk about for instance marrying Russian women from Western Men mostly with limited social skills, limited time off, usually both.
There those men often dream about model types, here through various means we date those women!
I personally am looking for a LTR but I don't have an out of order sign on my dick. I am just very selective with who I pay and who I don't pay.
Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
[QUOTE=Prosal;1271109]I personaly value indulgence over suspicion. Anyway intuition is the monger's best weapon. Every "skilled" monger should be able to say within 30 seconds which girl is a greedy piranha and which is a genuine freebie with no materialistic expectations. Many guys fail miserably at that though.[/QUOTE]I consider myself a pretty clever guy, but I do not always succeed in this endeavour. I am pretty good at picking the right p4p girls in an FKK and so forth, but can not always tell genuine freebies who care for you apart from parasites. I usually can but not always and am always a little suspicious.
What signals do you look for and how do you differentiate? Please let us know.
[QUOTE=Delta Indigo; 1271729]I consider myself a pretty clever guy, but I do not always succeed in this endeavour. I am pretty good at picking the right p4p girls in an FKK and so forth, but can not always tell genuine freebies who care for you apart from parasites. I usually can but not always and am always a little suspicious.
What signals do you look for and how do you differentiate? Please let us know.[/QUOTE]I simply avoid the "glamurnoe kiso" type (smilie)
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(funny page, worth a google translation)
I am "relationship building" through my fav dating site with a 27 yo girl from Moscow. 8+ in looks, working as a presenter on a TV channel. What strikes is that a girl of such a social level needs to put a profile on a "east meets west" dating site to find eligible men (that said, after being harassed on the site by dozens of silly sex-weaned turk and italian guys, she has quickly deleted her profile, so now we communicate via FB or sms).
This confirm the fact that there is thousands over thousands fine and genuine Russian women of high social and cultural level who are literally emotionally and sexually starving and who are genuinely seeking for nice adventures / relationships with a refined foreigner of same social level and with some cultural knowledge, and this without any materialistic expectations.
Once more, thanks to the loutish and rude Russian men population.
PS: some might be suspicious about the reality of her profile, but because among others of her Facebook account I can attest that she is "real".
[QUOTE=Prosal; 1286652]I am "relationship building" through my fav dating site with a 27 yo girl from Moscow. 8+ in looks, working as a presenter on a TV channel. What strikes is that a girl of such a social level needs to put a profile on a "east meets west" dating site to find eligible men (that said, after being harassed on the site by dozens of silly sex-weaned turk and italian guys, she has quickly deleted her profile, so now we communicate via FB or sms).
This confirm the fact that there is thousands over thousands fine and genuine Russian women of high social and cultural level who are literally emotionally and sexually starving and who are genuinely seeking for nice adventures / relationships with a refined foreigner of same social level and with some cultural knowledge, and this without any materialistic expectations.
Once more, thanks to the loutish and rude Russian men population.
PS: some might be suspicious about the reality of her profile, but because among others of her Facebook account I can attest that she is "real".[/QUOTE]I have always been under the notion that one must find the diamond in the rough when it comes to EE girls. This is where me and you apparently differ in ideology. Prosal, with all due respect, you always talk about high society and glam. It is my personal belief that once EE girls are introduced to these things that your chance as a foreigner becomes almost zero. My luck has always been with catching girls when they are still impressionable and in needy moments of life. When I was in Kiev, I did notice the good looking 40 plus guys with what appeared to be hot village girls and not Kiev high society. Yes I know that I am but a newbie to you in actual EE land but I can only preach what I know to be fact.
[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1286802]This is where me and you apparently differ in ideology. Prosal, with all due respect, you always talk about high society and glam. It is my personal belief that once EE girls are introduced to these things that your chance as a foreigner becomes almost zero.[/QUOTE]Well, as usual YMMV, but from my experience, it's often with the higher class women that I've had the best uninhibited and uncomplicated adventures. They already have access to the best their society has to offer, have no materialistic expectations, and only feel that what the one thing they miss out in life is romance and adventures.
I never talk about "glam" women by the way (and I am not interested in them) , but about women of an above-average social and cultural level, which is different.
6 month ago I met a sweet pie from one of the escort sites.
The first meeting was sweet and GFE so I asked her to meet me again without the agency involvement
I visit Moscow at least once a month for 2-3 days so she accepted the idea of monthly bank transfer of 500$
On my visits she waits at the airport and spend the evenings with me.
Without this arrangement I would spend around 1000$ for 3 nights.
I don't care what she is doing on the rest of the time
[QUOTE=Zamziv; 1289991]I visit Moscow at least once a month for 2-3 days so she accepted the idea of monthly bank transfer of 500$
On my visits she waits at the airport and spend the evenings with me.
E[/QUOTE]Sounds like a very nice and cost effective arrangement to me!
Well done!
[QUOTE=Prosal; 1286819]Well, as usual YMMV, but from my experience, it's often with the higher class women that I've had the best uninhibited and uncomplicated adventures. They already have access to the best their society has to offer, have no materialistic expectations, and only feel that what the one thing they miss out in life is romance and adventures.
I never talk about "glam" women by the way (and I am not interested in them) , but about women of an above-average social and cultural level, which is different.[/QUOTE]Just to illustrate. Those "socially above-average" Russian women are not only emotionally starving, but they are also very forward and direct when it comes to sex. They think like men. If they like you, they will fuck you sooner or later, and most often sooner than later. Here is a sms that a 36 yo moscovite sent me the very next day after our first meeting in Paris (which nicely finished by a frenchkiss) , inviting me for a so-called "pyjama party" (ie a booze and wild fuck evening) in her flat. She actually welcomed me in short nightie. And stilettos! (and two bottles of Chardonnais). A tall girl, about 1. 84 m, super good job (something like international sales manager, I didn't understand well) at Merck Moscow.
[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1286802]It is my personal belief that once EE girls are introduced to these things that your chance as a foreigner becomes almost zero.[/QUOTE]Just for the record, for her five days stay in Paris, she rented a super nice 300€/day flat in the heart of Montmartre.
[QUOTE=Prosal;1303337]inviting me for a so-called "pyjama party" (ie a booze and wild fuck evening) in her flat. She actually welcomed me in short nightie. And stilettos! (and two bottles of Chardonnais)[/QUOTE]By the way, here is what she says about her "desired partner" on her profile.
"[I]I am looking for marriage with a man from 40 up to 55 years old, reliable, serious, kind person who would like to create the family in the future. My name is Evgeniya. Single. I have no children, but I would like to have them very much in the future marriage. I speak fluent English. I am optimistic, kind, romantic, good-tempered, honest, cheerful and reliable. I like nature, walking, traveling, music and cinema. [/I]"
Hum. She looks for marriage with a reliable and serious man but she invites a semi-stranger for a pyjama party the next day after the first meeting (first meeting where she got passably drunk). LOL.
Just to say that what a Russian girl writes on their profile must be taken with a grain of salt. (rolleyes)
[QUOTE=Prosal; 1286819]Well, as usual YMMV, but from my experience, it's often with the higher class women that I've had the best uninhibited and uncomplicated adventures. They already have access to the best their society has to offer, have no materialistic expectations, and only feel that what the one thing they miss out in life is romance and adventures.
I never talk about "glam" women by the way (and I am not interested in them) , but about women of an above-average social and cultural level, which is different.[/QUOTE]"MILF market" seems like a more accurate term than "higher class women". (smile)
[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1303935]"MILF market" seems like a more accurate term than "higher class women". (smile)[/QUOTE]Hum, you say that because I just reported about a 36 yo. Ok, fair enough. Admittedly, there is surely many Russian women with good social positions who are in their 30s. That said, I know many moscovite women in the 25/30 yo range (MILFs?) with good jobs, who have an enjoyable life and who travel extensively. And who are available for some hot adventure and romance with a foreigner of same social level who would tick all the boxes. My opinion is that there is thousands over thousands of this target group available in Moscow or Piter. Very available. I could be wrong though. Maybe Jake could confirm or belie.
[QUOTE=Prosal;1303957]Hum, you say that because I just reported about a 36 yo. Ok, fair enough. Admittedly, there is surely many Russian women with good social positions who are in their 30s. That said, I know many moscovite women in the 25/30 yo range (MILFs?) with good jobs, who have an enjoyable life and who travel extensively. And who are available for some hot adventure and romance with a foreigner of same social level who would tick all the boxes. My opinion is that there is thousands over thousands of this target group available in Moscow or Piter. Very available. I could be wrong though. Maybe Jake could confirm or belie.[/QUOTE]I have only met two kinds of Slavic women. The young with absolutely nothing and the mature with some kind of depressed husband / boyfriend at home. I never found a single girl with a good job. I only found single girls with the potential for a good job.