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[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Now, the question... where and when did we go wrong? This had one-night-stand written all over it from the start.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you ended up in a sub-optimal, non-cooperative Nash equilibrium. Instead of everyone working together for the optimal outcome, to wit: the fuck of the century, each of the players dissipated their energy on their own specific goals, until finally, there was no incentive to play.
I can guarantee you the outcome would have been much different with a wingman who spoke Russian.
But then, armchair mongering is always easier than when you're drunk and horny and Natasha is riding your leg and Tanya has her tongue down your throat. :)
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[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Now, the question... where and when did we go wrong? This had one-night-stand written all over it from the start.[/QUOTE]I think you played it pretty well, but 3 thoughts:
* one of the best times to go home is when changing the venue (just go to apartment instead of actually going to second club). It's gutsy, but it does actually work sometimes, especially if you sell it cheekily.
* with 2 sisters, you were probably doomed from the start. Perhaps giving the one you liked the "now or never, I'm leaving" would have been more effective.
* your wingman had to jump on the grenade. MOH time.
You know this as well as I do, but the ONLY thing that matters is getting back to the apartment. Any excuse or reason to do so is acceptable.
But back to point 2, if she had to pick up her kid (provided the story was true and not some copout) you had virtually no chance. The girls enjoyed the windup and would have almost certainly given you the gratitude fuck later in the week, but you were swimming against the tide for the ONS.
Am jealous anyway, she sounded hot as bricks.
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Good analysis, Doc.
Yeah, I could have possibly pulled Tanya for a quick poke at my pad after Che, when her sister was going to Parizhskaya Zhizn. She was clearly not happy about going there, and in the car I could hear her whispering that she might leave Natasha at the club (after I learned about her kid - it makes sense).
Maybe I should have gotten their digits before jamming. But here's why I didn't. Tanya was a great dancer but a poor kisser. Poor kissers usually make poor lovers (at least in my experience). As for the hot younger sister, even when I was speaking with her when we were alone, it wasn't clear she was really interested in [i]me[/i]. More like it was a game and she couldn't let her sister win. Had her sister been sitting at home with her kid and she had been out with girlfriends instead, she may have behaved completely differently (that's to say, completely indifferent towards me).
Strav - yes, probably would have had a different dynamic if my wingman spoke Russian. But I'm rarely in that situation, as I don't party often with Russian guys and most of my expat friends speak little/no Russian. Though it's tiring to play translator all the time, it does at least make you feel needed!
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[QUOTE=Pizdyets]Maybe I should have gotten their digits before jamming. But here's why I didn't. Tanya was a great dancer but a poor kisser. Poor kissers usually make poor lovers (at least in my experience). As for the hot younger sister, even when I was speaking with her when we were alone, it wasn't clear she was really interested in [i]me[/i]. More like it was a game and she couldn't let her sister win. Had her sister been sitting at home with her kid and she had been out with girlfriends instead, she may have behaved completely differently (that's to say, completely indifferent towards me).[/QUOTE]Could be.
I find that if I get a girl's digits at a club, even if we've had each others tongues down each others throats and hands down each others pants, there is absolutely no guarantee that a second date will even occur. Especially the younger girls (18-20) are often just looking to make out with some guy in the club to complete their club experience, but don't want it to go any farther and often enough are in a troupe of like-minded dev guards who'll make sure she doesn't leave alone. If her group is more than 2 your chances diminish significantly, although on a few occasions I've taken groups as large as 4 back to the apartment to screw one of them while the other three raided the fridge and watched TV.
Digits are easy enough to get and if the second date does happen however, it'll result in sex the vast majority of the time... still I've pursued numerous second dates with cuties that never ended up happening though. Moscow has a way of swallowing girls up.
You might find this funny. For me it is proof once again that being forward is the only way to go.
A while ago I met a 22-year old online and we'd had cocktails at Pyramida and I tried to take her back to my apartment on the first date, but she balked and ran off into the night. So rather than setting up a second date at some neutral location, I told her to meet me in my hotel where I was staying at the time, specifically in the hotel bar at 11.30 pm since I had been working all day and still had some things to do. She agreed and when she arrived I put 2 glasses of Shiraz into her 45kg body, the subject turned to sex and I told her I didn't want to talk about sex since I knew so much more about it than she did and she couldn't teach me anything or tell me anything of interest. Her eyes got big and she apologized for not fucking me on the first date and we went upstairs.
It was pretty funny because there was a guy at the adjacent table struggling to get his girl upstairs with romantic words and she wasn't budging.
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[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]although on a few occasions I've taken groups as large as 4 back to the apartment to screw one of them while the other three raided the fridge and watched TV.
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This is as impressive as any of your stories, Doc. Hats off.
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I told her I didn't want to talk about sex since I knew so much more about it than she did and she couldn't teach me anything or tell me anything of interest. Her eyes got big and she apologized for not fucking me on the first date and we went upstairs.
It was pretty funny because there was a guy at the adjacent table struggling to get his girl upstairs with romantic words and she wasn't budging.[/QUOTE]
It's amazing how effective the cocky asshole approach can be. But in essence, it's the same reason we're intrigued by girls who play hard-to-get (to a point) while we quickly bore of the easy lay. Part of it is the personal challenge, but there's also something hardwired in all of us - that good things always come at a price.
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[QUOTE=Pizdyets] But in essence, it's the same reason we're intrigued by girls who play hard-to-get (to a point) while we quickly bore of the easy lay. Part of it is the personal challenge, but there's also something hardwired in all of us - that good things always come at a price.[/QUOTE]Right on.
Yeah, the old psychological crutch. If he/she wants me, how great can they be?
Thankfully, sometimes hormones prevail. )
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Two beautiful Russian women. I do not speak Russian I wish I did. Why do I get the feeling that it is fake? I do not speak french either. The guy speaks french.
[url]http://www.keezmovies.com/394070[/url]
[url]http://www.keezmovies.com/430014[/url]
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Dr X first girl is Hungarian actually, porn star named Victoria something.
She made numerous porn flick like more than 10 years ago.
Second girl is actually from Ukraine she made few porns under name of Stella and is long gone.
They can be found on EBI.
The guy is Pierre Woodman, french cop turned porn producer and the clips are from his "Casting" series made in 1992-95 or something.
All have the same scenario going like girl comes answering modelling ad, then she dicovers it's actually porn and she don't want to do it. But Pierre convice her to do sex in various way including anal.
It' not real situation but script girls are payed of course.
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Thanks Kurenda you have confirmed my doubts.
[QUOTE=Kurenda]Dr X first girl is Hungarian actually, porn star named Victoria something.
She made numerous porn flick like more than 10 years ago.
Second girl is actually from Ukraine she made few porns under name of Stella and is long gone.
They can be found on EBI.
The guy is Pierre Woodman, french cop turned porn producer and the clips are from his "Casting" series made in 1992-95 or something.
All have the same scenario going like girl comes answering modelling ad, then she dicovers it's actually porn and she don't want to do it. But Pierre convice her to do sex in various way including anal.
It' not real situation but script girls are payed of course.
I[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Kurenda]
The guy is Pierre Woodman, french cop turned porn producer and the clips are from his "Casting" series made in 1992-95 or something.
All have the same scenario going like girl comes answering modelling ad, then she dicovers it's actually porn and she don't want to do it. But Pierre convice her to do sex in various way including anal.
It' not real situation but script girls are payed of course.
I[/QUOTE]
Woodman fake!!!!
Please say it ain't so Joe.
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[QUOTE=Kurenda]
They can be found on EBI.
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First girl is:
[url]http://www.eurobabeindex.com/sbandoindex/viktoria.html[/url]
Don't think the second girl is on EBI, nor did I detect a Ukrainian accent.
I did have a really hard time understanding Pierre's translator (as did the model - you could see the "WTF?" face more than once trying to understand what the hell she's saying).
[QUOTE]
All have the same scenario going like girl comes answering modelling ad, then she dicovers it's actually porn and she don't want to do it. But Pierre convice her to do sex in various way including anal.
It' not real situation but script girls are payed of course.
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I think most are real, in the sense the girls aren't acting. Sure, the "virgins" have probably had sex more than they claimed, but they're real girls who probably haven't done porn before. I love the way Pierre is able to manipulate some really hot amateurs into becoming porn stars. Of course he's greasing the wheels with cash, but it's damn impressive all the same.
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Have a copy od DVD with second girl I think it's "Castings #25" or something.
Basically in the clip it leads to conclusion that girl is from St. Petersburg but listening to conversation where Woodman says like "you're from St. Petersburg, I know I payed for your ticket" and later the girl answers something like "I ARRIVED from St. Petersburg" which can mean she took the plane from St. Petersburg but can actually be from any place in FSU.
Also before her segment starts there's a "you can see her in. " and images of 4 films with her.
About the first girl, Victoria from Hungary I've read on some forum that she had a short career in porn, moved to Uk and is now married to a guy in Newcaslte upon Tyne who owns a butcher shop!
In the full movie there is behind the scenes secmeng where Woodman explains the girl what will be done and the girl signs document they are of the full age and doing this by their free will (and for money of course) and Woodman take the picture of the girls face where she holds the passport with data in one hand and newspaper from the day of the filming.
I like Woodman works too minus all those body hair on him.
He made a mistake of marrying a Russian woman, pornstar Tania Russof who later divorced him and the story is she took big money from Woodman and invested in TV station back in her native Lithuania. Or maybe Latvia, I'm not sure but she's from a Baltic state. Woodman is today married with another porn girl but I'm not sure which one. Maybe this one:
[url]http://www.eurobabeindex.com/sbandoindex/kathy.html[/url]
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Bit of Rough...
[QUOTE=Kurenda]
About the first girl, Victoria from Hungary I've read on some forum that she had a short career in porn, moved to Uk and is now married to a guy in Newcaslte upon Tyne who owns a butcher shop!
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LOL Kurenda!
Do you think she's taking advice from Evgenia Tymoshenko, perhaps :)
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Far from Home...
[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Woodman fake!!!!
Please say it ain't so Joe.[/QUOTE]
Hey Angus!
What are you doing in here? :)
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Gergiev no because this Hungarian girl did it before Evgenia Tymoshenko back in 2002 if the info is correct. Evgenia Tymoshenko married her Britt in 2005 and they are living in Kiev and not in UK.