Russian or a Foreign Man?
i was in piter for the last five days. i sticked to freebie scene in rossi club. unfortunately i have to admit that had no score but two balls hit the goal post.
one was a a bit fat blonde. she was drunk and she was pushing me for a moment and hugging and giving me a kiss another point. you should see that. she was telling me go and pulling me with her hands for a dance.
another was a woman with a daughter and good carreer named olga. i left her home with taxi and she wanted to meet me in hermitage museum tomorrow. unfortunately i had to get back tomorrow so i couldn't accept her offer.
except these two, i get thousands of "no!","i am sorry" and push with hands. something i am very curious about is these close friends. i really don't understand them. you talk to a girl. she looks ok with this and suddenly in a second her close friends come and grabs her and bring to a far corner and tell me "sorry we have to go!"i really don't understand this and feel very angry with it. is this a protection for her or what? yeah but she can go easily if she doesn't want to talk or is this a jealous behaviour or what? look at the third night on this post.
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and the second thing that i want to understand is they are ok with foreign guys or they always prefer to be with a russian man? because when i was there many russian guys had gf's easily. i am 33 years old and fat. moreover i can't speak russian. maybe it's the reason but i am really confused about it. yes a russian guy will be more stable more hopefull for a ltr but when i was talking to olga she told me she wouldn't be with a russian guy because of level (she shows her head with a finger and make a circle. she works in a italian company btw.) and then why i get these so much no? anyway at the end of night she didn't accept my offer to come to my house and didn't deceived my other games in the taxi (can i come to your apartment? please i really drink too much beer! i must [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] asap!)
finally i discovered maybe i am using the wrong methods to approach and probably many foreing guys making the same mistake. go directly touch her and try to kiss on dance floor. they don't like it. maybe a true aprroachment strategy must be something like that;
1) smile her on dance floor.
2) do some remarkable dance figures and smile her again.
3) say something to her ear. (priviet, kak vaz zavut? do you speak english?)
4) if she is ok with it. get closer and dance with her together during a song and don't forget to keep smiling and to look happy with it.
5) ask for a drink. they usually don't refuse for a drink and if she is a * she takes the drink and go talk with other guys.
6) when you are having the drink, talk to her as much as possible. talk about her preferrations of food, music, life. you like here so much and another important point; you are really here in this club for the first time."my hotel or apartment is very close to here. normally i don't come such places."
7) if everything goes fine, ask for a second drink. talk more sincerely. (again a very important point. pay attention for close friends. be in a good relationship with them but not too much! they shouldn't think that you are hanging on both of (or three of) them. in this short time period they should visit her for a few times to check everything fine or just give her bag because she will go toilet. (of course they are checking if everything fine or very curious about what kind of a man is this that my friend talk to)
8) get closer. touch her. say something directly to her ear. ask for dancing again. try to touch and hug and kiss as much as possible on that second dance. get back to bar. drink one more. if you can make her drunk you will have three times more luck for a happy end in your hotel. touch her, hug her, get closer. leave the stupid chat about what is your favourite color, how much you like russian cuisine or how cold is your country bullsheet. now it's time to get closer and closer.
9) tell her you want to be sure that she arrive home safely so you want to leave her home or ask for just a coffee in your room. if you are on first option try i need to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] tactic or other thing. if you are on second option you did it. congratulations!
i am open for your furher discussions or advices. i am just a few times in russian clubs. just wanted to share my experinces with newbies.
ciao.
Don't ask for permission.
or even for forgiveness!
This is from a thread on the Kiev board, but I thought it had more general application to all EE women, and in fact to women almost anywhere. Including the West / USA.
[Quote=Gentleman Travel]The (too few) times I have been bold have led to my greatest successes with Ukrainian & Russian women and EE women living in the West.
The times I have acted like I was dealing with western women, I have had to struggle to succeed.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Barba; 1263107]I was once upon a time also just a western guy doing it the western way, but realized that command is a better way to go with most women (also in the west and also after 10 years of relation). No experience in Ukraine yet, but the "don't ask, just do" principle works everywhere. Photos, anal sex, videos, gagging, just do it without asking for f*cking permission always. She can say NO easily so why put her in the awkward position of saying YES to something that will clearly make her look like the first class cum sl*t she might be?
Barba[/QUOTE]I think this is excellent advice, especially for EE women, but probably for almost any women.
We have been conditioned to be timid and to seek "permission" at every step of a relationship / make-out session and this is bad for everyone.
Bad for us, because it denies us the pleasures we desire, plus the dominance we yearn for.
Bad for her, because it puts her in the position Barba describes, of having to say YES to our dirty-minded suggestions, when she can simply acquiesce and have the pleasure of being a sex toy without having the embarrassment of admitting she wants to be.
Bad for the relationship, because fundamentally women want to be dominated and are disappointed by our hesitation to be "real men".
I have found this in my relationships with EE women and I have found this with my relationship with my wife, which got a lot better after I refused to accept excuses from her and demanded regular sex, which made both of us a lot happier.
I realize that I have still been reluctant to force a more aggressive sexual agenda (different positions, more oral) on her, instead trying to get her to talk about new things. Like marriage counselors tell you to.
That is a dead-end, she is never going to want to talk about blow jobs or being tied up, if I want it, I will just have to keep pushing until she says NO (with meaning).