Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2455574]. If 65 year olds need to be protected, quarantined or denied entry and kept at home, such matters are up to regulators and government. I think it is a slippery slope for FKKs and restaurants and other commercial establishments to start making up their own rule books, each different from the other.[/QUOTE]I agree, and that's what I meant, I know its not for FKK to make that decision, and even if its up to them, they will allow everyone because they care about money in the first place.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2454597]In this bipolar world, we increasingly need a stronger Europe. I find the work life balance they have achieved more attractive than what I find in the US with its never ending treadmill. But if anything, Europe has continuously lost ground since 2009 and the gap between US to Europe or China to Europe has gone against Europe in 12 years. If I could make my pay check in the US and spend it in Europe, that would be a most attractive life, that's what I want. I bet a lot of American men would take such a deal.[/QUOTE]Just have a business that sells to the American market, and emigrate to Europe. Then maybe you would be less pessimistic.

Over 65s to be forced to stay at home?. When this was discussed in the media it was followed by suggestions that they should not be treated in hospital as they were contributing nothing to society. Next step is to issue euthanasia kits, or maybe issue them with some identifying mark to wear on their clothing in public.

Always convenient to find a group to value less than the majority.

From FT: use the link for the whole article.

[URL]https://www.ft.com/content/dae6d006-9adc-46d5-9b4e-79a7841022e8[/URL]

The architect of Sweden's controversial lighter lockdown policy for dealing with coronavirus has for the first time conceded the Scandinavian country should have imposed more restrictions to avoid having such a high death toll.

Anders Tegnell, Sweden's state epidemiologist, agreed with the interviewer on Sveriges Radio that too many people had died in the country.

"If we would encounter the same disease, with exactly what we know about it today, I think we would land midway between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world did," said Mr Tegnell in the interview broadcast on Wednesday morning.

Mr Tegnell's admission is striking as for months he has criticized other countries' lockdowns and insisted that Sweden's approach was more sustainable despite heavy international scrutiny of its stubbornly high death toll.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2455748]Just have a business that sells to the American market, and emigrate to Europe. Then maybe you would be less pessimistic.[/QUOTE]Yes, that is indeed a great idea for whom it works. If I could make it work for me personally, I should be on it pronto!

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2455597]Over killer virus, crazy chloroquine Trump has now to hide underground in White House, rather than going to speak to many millions black people in his country.[/QUOTE]In the videos I'm seeing more white protesters than black ones. Many people are frustrated by loss of jobs, staying home, etc. Protesting covid as well.

German executives and their families returning to China. Tested before and after the flight. Passengers summoned to arrive airport not 2 hours before their flight, but 12 hours before their flight. If anything ISGers can just watch the video to get glimpses of Frankfurt Airport: [URL]https://youtu.be/U1j58QAT57A[/URL].

I assume this is a requirement just for entry into China, and that regardless of destination, international air travel protocols will not be that stringent, when commercial air travel picks up again. Anybody been on international flights recently?

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2455752]From FT: use the link for the whole article.

[URL]https://www.ft.com/content/dae6d006-9adc-46d5-9b4e-79a7841022e8[/URL]

The architect of Sweden's controversial lighter lockdown policy for dealing with coronavirus has for the first time conceded the Scandinavian country should have imposed more restrictions to avoid having such a high death toll.

Anders Tegnell, Sweden's state epidemiologist, agreed with the interviewer on Sveriges Radio that too many people had died in the country.

"If we would encounter the same disease, with exactly what we know about it today, I think we would land midway between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world did," said Mr Tegnell in the interview broadcast on Wednesday morning.

Mr Tegnell's admission is striking as for months he has criticized other countries' lockdowns and insisted that Sweden's approach was more sustainable despite heavy international scrutiny of its stubbornly high death toll.[/QUOTE]I think nobody knew about how work this new killer virus, so, many countries made many mistakes, but only one Trump and one Bolsonaro, Africa was lucky with weather, Olympics will tell for Japan and time will tell for China.

[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2455399]Well when I first read it, I wasn't sure if they were plagiarizing '28 Days Later' or 'Rise of the Planet of the Apes'. But monkeys are a serious part of Indian life. They are considered sacred, like cows. When lockdown happened, monkeys took over the deserted streets.[/QUOTE]Monkeys as sacred as cows in India? Really! Have you ever been there? Stop spamming, please.

[QUOTE=Dreams;2456439]Monkeys as sacred as cows in India? Really! Have you ever been there? Stop spamming, please.[/QUOTE]Salaam Dreams. If you wish to educate yourself, you don't have to look far. Here is a good article:

[URL]https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8gdw5x/monkeys-are-taking-over-india[/URL]

The divine monkey, Hanuman, is worshipped by Hindus.

[QUOTE=Dreams;2456439]Monkeys as sacred as cows in India? Really! Have you ever been there? Stop spamming, please.[/QUOTE]He probably has and you haven't or you would know. Monkeys are as sacred as cows. I have been there.

Guys,

Look up FURIN cleavage and Covid-19.

In other words, there are now strong evidence that the virus was cocked up in a lab. And of course it was! Otherwise all my previous theories had fallen flat. Which they never do.

As usual, it all leads back to cocks and cleavages.

And don't take my word on it, but the words of Dr Ronen Shemesh.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2457270]Guys,

Look up FURIN cleavage and Covid-19.

In other words, there are now strong evidence that the virus was cocked up in a lab. And of course it was! Otherwise all my previous theories had fallen flat. Which they never do.

As usual, it all leads back to cocks and cleavages.

And don't take my word on it, but the words of Dr Ronen Shemesh.[/QUOTE]Personally, I think that is not possible. I base my opinion on the fact that the erudite resident scientist who believes only the experts and no one else has already proclaimed that scientific consensus was formed in March 2020 which stated in very clear language that no Chinese lab was involved in anyway, whatsoever. The wording of the consensus was very absolute according to our science expert. I am not sure why all these Israeli and Australian scientists are still working on this issue. They must not have gotten the memo that a consensus has been ordered and no further research is required.

I used to agree with you Pistons and I had the same views as you articulated here but after the erudite science expert told us very clearly, I had to modify my views and I did. I now believe I was wrong, I must rigidly believe in the scientist consensus from this moment on -- call it faith, even. I will leave it to you however, whether to keep reading the words of Dr. Shemesh and other Australian, Israeli and US scientists. Thanks very much for the message though.

Gathering so called 'scientific consensus' is standard PR / lobbying / propaganda work. 100% communication. 0% science. It also involve tweaking numbers.

P.S: I know you are joking.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2457270]
In other words, there are now strong evidence that the virus was cocked up in a lab.[/QUOTE]Salaam Pistons,

The Wuhan lab was engaged in the notorious "gain-of-function" research, which was previously banned in the US. Gain-of-function research is about making viruses more deadly rather than less deadly. Some scientists say it helps them understand viruses better.

It's a bit like building a missile launcher and saying, "We don't want to launch missiles. We just want to guess how other nations might launch missiles and see how we might stop that if it happened. ".

You might think that sounds a bit thin.

Details for anyone who is interested: [URL]https://www.vox.com/2020/5/1/21243148/why-some-labs-work-on-making-viruses-deadlier-and-why-they-should-stop[/URL].