[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2542607]and UK is pushing 40% with first jab.[/QUOTE]Actually the UK has vaccinated over 50% of the population.
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[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2542607]and UK is pushing 40% with first jab.[/QUOTE]Actually the UK has vaccinated over 50% of the population.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2542770]Yes, and the alternative would have been much easier: allow young and healthy people to build herd immunity (could have been achieved by summer last year, because a virus will quickly 'burn itself out' if it can not find anymore hosts), whilst temporarily isolating the elderly and obese people at risk.
This is what a lot of scientists were advocating, but those scientists have all been censored in the MSM, and on YuTube, Twatter and Shitbook and we could have been fucking hotties in Sharks today with only 50 Euros entry fee before 14:00.[/QUOTE]Please tell me again how herd immunity was already achieved in Sweden last summer.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2542695]Once enough doses are available, they have to supply any Hausarzt, pharmacy, etc with vaccines.[/QUOTE]Count on the middle of April, at the earliest.
[URL]https://www.bz-berlin.de/deutschland/corona-impfungen-beim-hausarzt-nicht-vor-mitte-april[/URL]
[QUOTE]nicht vor Mitte April[/QUOTE]'Not before the middle of April' and this has now been more or less rounded up to the 19th of April, see link below:
[URL]https://www.rtl.de/cms/corona-impfung-beim-hausarzt-jens-spahn-erklaert-warum-das-so-lange-dauert-4721017.html[/URL]
[QUOTE]Nach einer Empfehlung der Gesundheitsminister von Bund und Ländern sollen Impfungen in Praxen "frühestmöglich", aber spätestens in der Woche vom 19. April starten.[/QUOTE]Today is the 21st, so roughly speaking this will only start 1 month from now.
As I said before: Germans couldn't organize a drinking party in a brewery.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2542773]If you compare the curbs from Israel and UK of 2020 with the one of 2021 you will see that the decrease was stronger and faster without vaccine, so we need to wait and the scientifics have to study the things. The problem is not the vaccine or the passport, if in the coming months many vaccinated people get sick it will be game over for the passport. China economy is booming, covid is under control, there is no mass vaccination and no passport, may be we should start to look about the best performers and not about US and UK which are extremely poor performers in the battle against covid.[/QUOTE]How did China bring Covid under control? Super hard lockdown. Would that be the solution you propose, EU wide super hard lockdown? That would fly in a non totalitarian state like a lead balloon.
China will not do mass vaccinations?
"Now Beijing is shifting gears, aiming to inoculate 40% of its 1. 4 billion people by the end of June. " I would argue that sounds like mass vaccination.
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccine-china-anal/analysis-chinas-ambitious-covid-19-vaccination-plan-to-test-its-production-capability-idUSKBN2B70S8[/URL]
China will no do a vaccine passport? "China unveiled a vaccine passport this month that could be accessed through WeChat".
[URL]https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-17/china-embraces-vaccine-passports-while-the-west-mulls-ethics/13252588[/URL]
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2542734]... I think we was in grupetto on col de Loze at 5/6 km / h on steepest, and just for green suit and trying to win on Champs Elysees. ... [/QUOTE]I'll explain for you how the grupetto works. People who don't care on that particular stage how they place, do as little effort as possible, just enough to not miss the time cut. They save energy for the future stages. So there are oodles of amateurs who went faster than the grupetto on some climb. What those amateurs need to understand is that A) they don't do 21 stages in 3 weeks B) they don't do the full stage before that particular climb and C) any of the pros could still go much faster if they have to and smoke the wannabees.
Just because he was in the grupetto on some stage, does not mean he can't go harder if he wants to.
Did Marc Madiot call you already? He could use a rider who is stronger than Sagan, assuming you don't want salary close to what Sagan makes (EUR 5.5 millions).
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2542708]Please tell this to my buddy, 42 years old, sub 12 h ironman finisher, multiple marathons, half marathons and 10 k runs, was training for the Great Divide race 4900 km, did several grand fondos, then every winter ski touring.
He is now doing Reha for 4 month and still has to stop to catch up his breath going up a flight of stairs. Sure he is not a typical case, but see one case like this with your own eyes and maybe you don't just think, who cares if somebody's grandma is dead, she should have gone easier on the cake.[/QUOTE]More proof that extreme sportsmen are not 'healthy?' I've heard this before, extremely fit endurance athletes having serious struggles with Covid19 and taking months to recover. The again, I also frequently hear of these "he-runs-marathons-he-never-drinks-never-smokes-how-could-this-happen?" 'healthy' athletes dying at an early age due to heart attacks, strokes or cancer.
As always, do things (including fucking in FKKs) in some moderation and you'll live longer and happier. Any addiction (driving 1800 kms from Paris to fuck some FKK WG), including being addicted to sports for an dopamine rush, is never a good thing.
That's why many religions and cultures have a fasting tradition (moderation and self-cleansing), and that's why in many parts of this world "irrational exuberance" (Alan Greenspan) is frowned upon.
Except of course in the US and UK, where "Big is Beautiful" and the Anglo-Saxon culture worships huge unnatural silicone tits, big plastic fuel-guzzling cars, big aircraft carriers and big armies ruining dozens of countries, financial exuberance on Wall Street, and supersize-me fast food meals with half a Gallon of sugary 'soft' drinks.
Bigger is not always better, and the same goes for extremist nutcases who run '4900 km Great Divide' marathons, or people who step into an MMA octagon and beat the shit out of each other.
P.S. I have tremendous respect for the willpower and physical capability to do those extreme sports, but as the Covid19 cases illustrate, it is not healthy in the long run.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2542830]Count on the middle of April, at the earliest.
[URL]https://www.bz-berlin.de/deutschland/corona-impfungen-beim-hausarzt-nicht-vor-mitte-april[/URL]
'Not before the middle of April' and this has now been more or less rounded up to the 19th of April, see link below:
[URL]https://www.rtl.de/cms/corona-impfung-beim-hausarzt-jens-spahn-erklaert-warum-das-so-lange-dauert-4721017.html[/URL]
Today is the 21st, so roughly speaking this will only start 1 month from now.
As I said before: Germans couldn't organize a drinking party in a brewery.[/QUOTE]I totally agree that EU fucked up vaccine procurement. US hogged Pfizer and Moderna production, UK hogged AZ. Israel got all the vaccine they wanted because they paid more than anybody else per dose, and they give to Pfizer all the data that was asked. That data sharing agreement would be a tall mountain to achieve in the EU.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2542831]How did China bring Covid under control? Super hard lockdown. Would that be the solution you propose, EU wide super hard lockdown? That would fly in a non totalitarian state like a lead balloon.
China will not do mass vaccinations?
"Now Beijing is shifting gears, aiming to inoculate 40% of its 1. 4 billion people by the end of June. " I would argue that sounds like mass vaccination.
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccine-china-anal/analysis-chinas-ambitious-covid-19-vaccination-plan-to-test-its-production-capability-idUSKBN2B70S8[/URL]
China will no do a vaccine passport? "China unveiled a vaccine passport this month that could be accessed through WeChat".
[URL]https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-17/china-embraces-vaccine-passports-while-the-west-mulls-ethics/13252588[/URL][/QUOTE]Sorry but I have a lot of friends in China, I can speak Chinese, have a Chinese driving license. I am spending several hours per day on Wechat with Chinese people may be I am better informed that many so called journalists. What is better 1 hard lockdown for 6 weeks and after that life back to normal, economy is booming or several lockdowns like in Europe and life not coming back to normal even 1 year after. I would from far prefer the Chinese solution. When the countries are succeeding we always find a lot of counter example it is not a democracy. For sure the US and Europe usually 2 parties are leading the countries for the last 50 years give a very good example of democracy, like in France a very good example of the democracy 30% of the voters for FN of Marine LE Pen more or less no representatives despite having the highest voters.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2542837]As always, do things (including fucking in FKKs) in some moderation and you'll live longer and happier. Any addiction (driving 1800 kms from Paris to fuck some FKK WG), including being addicted to sports for an dopamine rush, is never a good thing.[/QUOTE]We agree on this, moderation is good in everything. That guy had definitely too much stress in his life. Two kids, very expensive wife (but smoking hot), very stressful job, plus all the hours he was training.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2542697]This might be news for you, there is this thing called mountain biking. I think in France they call it VTT. Plenty of steep climbs available with the added bonus of uneven terrain and reduced traction.
You just need the right gearing.[/QUOTE]Well someone who has a 36 cog should know what a mountain bike is because 36 cogs are typically found on mountain bike cassettes. So if you put a mountain bike cassette on a road bike or on some kind of 'hybrid' thing with two wheels, yes it's easier to climb.
Actually in your nice country with well mannered policemen, they have a few mountain bike events with 4000 m or more of climbing like the infamous grand raid from verbier to grimentz.
I tried it a few times, never made it past the last gate because they stop you if you're too late. But for a great climber who trains 4 week a year, the last climb would be a piece of cake. You have 4000 m of climbing in the legs, still 800 m to go and basically its a wall, everyone is pushing or carrying.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2542852] What is better 1 hard lockdown for 6 weeks and after that life back to normal, economy is booming or several lockdowns like in Europe and life not coming back to normal even 1 year after. I would from far prefer the Chinese solution. [/QUOTE]I personally agree that harder longer EU wide lockdowns starting in November would have been better in the long run. At the same time allow entry in the EU only with recent negative test.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2542839]I totally agree that EU fucked up vaccine procurement. US hogged Pfizer and Moderna production, UK hogged AZ. Israel got all the vaccine they wanted because they paid more than anybody else per dose, and they give to Pfizer all the data that was asked. That data sharing agreement would be a tall mountain to achieve in the EU.[/QUOTE]Each member state can get any vaccine they want if they want to negotiate as a single state. Hungary and Bulgaria, for example, also use the Russian vaccine. EU and India are the two largest exporters of vaccines to other countries, US has a complete ban on vaccine exports and UK has not exported a single dose out of the very few they produce. So, EU and India have started to close the vaccines taps to other countries, so they can get up to speed with their own vaccinations.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2542757]Both approaches are inaccurate. As you said, there is a selective bias, some of the people taking the test are more likely to be sick: either they have symptoms or they had someone sick in their close circle. But he has a point here: the way the data is communicated to the public is not really clear, and the more you test the more the incidence rate will increase. An increase in the incidence rate doesn't always mean that the virus is spreading faster, it can also mean that the test capacity increased, or that for one reason or another the share of people who are likely to be sick increased in the total number of people passing the test. Either way, the incidence rate communicated is inferior to the real incidence rate but will converge towards the real IR as the test capacity is increasing.[/QUOTE]Without a doubt communication and messaging has been horrid. Even I had to search for clarity for the parameters of the 35 per 100 K statistic. If I am not mistaken, 35 cases means cases [B]per week[/B] per 100 K inhabitants. That in itself was not made obviously clear. It is even more confusing since incidence is more often reported in daily cases, or the more useful 7-day daily average.
But I think it is important to point out what the increase in the value of the number would mean and what it does not mean. It should go without having to be explicitly said that testing more does not actually [B]increase[/B] the incidence, it just gives you a higher but more accurate value for true incidence. That true value didn't change because we tested more, we just calculated a more accurate number. That fact is key to my question of one's primary motivation; are you interested in making policy off of the most accurate data possible or arbitrarily making it to a set number in order to get into a brothel faster?
That being said, I do understand why keeping the incidence set at 35 per 100 K per week is frustrating. Perhaps there is a reason 35 is an important number in calculating R_naught (0) but I am not familiar. 35 cases per 100 K inhabitants per week translates to a 7-day rolling average of 5 new cases per 100 K per day which is [B]50 positives per 1 million inhabitants per day[/B]. Germany is triple that at over 150 per million per day. As far as most western nations are from that number, it is not absurd and has been achieved in various geographically isolated countries like NZ, Australia, Japan, South Korea, etc. Currently, I see 2 European nations that meet the criteria, Iceland and Portugal.
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=400..424&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=new_cases_per_million&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=NZL KOR JPN AUS DEU PRT ISL[/URL]
Despite the criticisms of Germany on this board, they remain ahead of most of the rest of Europe in controlling COVID spread. It is even more commendable that they remain as low as they have despite bordering 9 other nations in which almost all have been seeing much higher rates of transmission.
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=400..424&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=new_cases_per_million&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=DEU~NLD~FRA~AUT~CZE~POL~LUX~DNK~CHE~BEL[/URL]
If Portugal can get to the threshold, Germany can. My suggestion for people who continue to complain is to stop obstructing, try and help this along, and slap on a "face diaper. " God forbid that I make a recommendation to get vaccinated.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2542831]How did China bring Covid under control? Super hard lockdown. Would that be the solution you propose, EU wide super hard lockdown? That would fly in a non totalitarian state like a lead balloon.
China will not do mass vaccinations?
"Now Beijing is shifting gears, aiming to inoculate 40% of its 1. 4 billion people by the end of June. " I would argue that sounds like mass vaccination.
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccine-china-anal/analysis-chinas-ambitious-covid-19-vaccination-plan-to-test-its-production-capability-idUSKBN2B70S8[/URL]
China will no do a vaccine passport? "China unveiled a vaccine passport this month that could be accessed through WeChat".
[URL]https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-17/china-embraces-vaccine-passports-while-the-west-mulls-ethics/13252588[/URL][/QUOTE]China is a country run by the fascist CCP, and unfortunately you're correct about vaccinations and the passport.
To say that.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2542831]How did China bring Covid under control? Super hard lockdown. Would that be the solution you propose, EU wide super hard lockdown? That would fly in a non totalitarian state like a lead balloon.[/QUOTE]Na, I disagree because China has had many outbreaks since that "super hard lockdown" ended last year, and Covid is not "controlled" at all. The thing is: the fascist CCP learned from it's mistakes in January 2020, so they immediately block all communications, similar to North Korea. Sometimes some truth leaks out however, like this outbreak in February 2021: [URL]https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n307[/URL].
Fact is, Covid comes and goes, just like the ebb and flow of the ocean, and just like a normal flu season, regardless of lockdowns and masks. [URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-idUSKBN29O032[/URL].
If super hard lockdowns worked, it would not have spread beyond Wuhan in 2020, and even the WHO has recognized that lockdowns can only temporarily reduce the strain on the hospital system, but are completely useless in containing and eradicating a virus.
By the way, let's see if Germany's health minister 'Jasmina' Spahn will survive the scandal surrounding his 'husband' and a corrupt deal with face masks:
[URL]https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/deutschland/id_89700698/corona-spahns-ministerium-kaufte-masken-bei-arbeitgeber-seines-mannes.html[/URL]
Caption underneath the photo:
[QUOTE]Gesundheitsminister Jens Spahn und sein Ehemann Daniel Funke: Das Unternehmen, für das Funke als Lobbyist tätig ist, hat Spahns Ministerium offenbar Masken verkauft.[/QUOTE]My translation: 'Health minister Jens Spahn and his husband Daniel Funke: evidently the company for which Funke is working as a lobbyist, sold Spahn's ministry masks.'
Let's see if Captain Merkel of the Pirate-Ship "DDR 2.0" ties all the shit that has gone wrong during the last year (hint: almost everything) to Spahn, and then throws him overboard. LOL!
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2542777]They made clusters in ski resorts because we let them enter the country, try to make a cluster in China? Each country can close the borders but business is more important than health like for many fucking prostitutes in covid times is more important than to stay safe at home.[/QUOTE]Are you sure to know what really happen in China? When so many Chinese are afraid of their government, when some disappear. Even we have too many deaths in EU and France and we have to respect EU rules, reason why UK left but gave us their mutant, not coming from continental Europe, and I feel much more free and safe in my country. This killer virus didn't start in EU, where did it start? With lies from them.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2542768]That's because you sit in your ER in Southern US playing George Clooney, and you're clueless about how Europe 'works' and clueless about how incompetent Germany and Merkel really are.[/QUOTE]Nah, been out the ER since June 2020. Rather, been "sitting" in ICUs in NY, Georgia, Florida, and Michigan. Thanks for the Clooney comparison though, flattered. I'm guessing being in Germany for an average of 50+ days per year with the exception of this past year puts me there much more than you. I wouldn't dare say that I know more about Germany than a resident, but your assumptions are based on faulty perceptions.
But see how I admitted that I incorrectly expected the cases to follow the path of the UK? Try it sometime, admitting error rather than stubbornly holding on to disproven theories will pave the way for constructive conversation that aims to use truth as a basis for policy rather than faulty logic to feed your pride. Re: Sweden versus World.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2542768]Imagine you have a fictional city of exactly 100 k inhabitants. Also imagine that you do 100% testing of al citizens, an extreme and unrealistic scenario, but this exaggeration is just to illustrate my point. Also assume that the PC test generates 1% false positive results. You automatically get an "Inzidenzwert" of 1000 per 100000 inhabitants![/QUOTE]We could just adjust the metric to account for false positives if testing rates got anywhere near that high. It's as simple as subtracting that 1% false positives from the total pool. Clinical correlation to actual cases of symptomatic patients would be necessary.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2542768]Translation: they are only testing healthy people without symptoms! Hahahahaha! So a fixed Incident Value of 35 + testing hundreds of thousands of healthy people without any symptoms + an x% of false positives = a Incident Value permanently 35.[/QUOTE]Knowing the positive tests in asymptomatic carriers is helpful in determining how much the virus is actually circulating. Germany has shown that it values contact tracing which is a major reason why the initial cases in Bavaria last January were isolated early, buying more time to create a national plan of action.
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/covid-exemplar-germany[/URL]
[QUOTE]Contact Tracing
Bavarian health authorities and scientists closely examinedand eventually brokethe chain of transmission among the first cluster of cases, which occurred at the end of January 2020 in Bavaria. Breaking this initial chain bought Germany critical time to design its response while yielding important lessons about how the disease is transmitted.28 By using a combination of epidemiological methods such as interviews and whole genome sequencing, the team was able to reconstruct and describe transmission events precisely. This research provided details on attack rates, incubation periods, and the serial interval, which enabled public health experts to estimate the potential size of the epidemic and decide on appropriate containment measures
[/QUOTE]Sweden.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2542770]Yes, and the alternative would have been much easier: allow young and healthy people to build herd immunity (could have been achieved by summer last year, because a virus will quickly 'burn itself out' if it can not find anymore hosts), whilst temporarily isolating the elderly and obese people at risk.
This is what a lot of scientists were advocating, but those scientists have all been censored in the MSM, and on YuTube, Twatter and Shitbook and we could have been fucking hotties in Sharks today with only 50 Euros entry fee before 14:00.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2540210]Should we have done nothing and let the disease run its course? In that scenario, Are we okay with NYC, Wuhan, and Lombardy situations all over the world? Do we let every hospital system in every major city in the world break down as they did in those first hard-hit areas?
Or should we have isolated only the elderly and at-risk population while letting everyone else resume normal activity? As seen with the Winter Holiday surge, even *with* restrictions, people still exposed their at-risk loved ones. So what would be the end game to release the at-risk from their banishment as they still continue to helplessly die off? Would it be, *gasp*, vaccines?.[/QUOTE]Didn't you say that Sweden kept their society pretty open? Well it's March 2021 and they still never reached herd immunity. In fact, they remain amongst the top of EU nations in both total cases and current 7-day rolling average. While geographically isolated from the Eastern / Central European outbreak, they are seeing a surge independent of their geographic neighbors.
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=400..424&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=new_cases_per_million&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=DEU~NLD~FRA~AUT~CZE~POL~DNK~SWE~ITA~ESP~HUN~BGR~SVK~ROU~GRC~EST~PRT~IRL~FIN~SVN~HRV~BEL~LVA~LTU
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Meanwhile, even with restrictions, holiday surges showed that people still spread to their elderly, obese, and at risk loved ones. Re: I'll continue beating that dead horse question. What better solution do you propose?
You continue to be consistent with your objections to the covid response. What are the chances that objective facts would lead one to believe that [B]every single[/B] mainstream policy was wrong.
1. Lockdowns, wrong.
2. Masks, wrong.
3. Vaccines, wrong.
Considering your consistent one-sided and unwavering positions in combination with the regular infusion of political commentary, it highly suggests that you construct your coronavirus beliefs through a political lens rather than a practical one.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2542839]I totally agree that EU fucked up vaccine procurement. US hogged Pfizer and Moderna production, UK hogged AZ. Israel got all the vaccine they wanted because they paid more than anybody else per dose, and they give to Pfizer all the data that was asked. That data sharing agreement would be a tall mountain to achieve in the EU.[/QUOTE]They didn't do themselves any favors with the AZ fears. From AZ age restrictions to halting AZ rollout for a blood clot incidence that was less than the rate of naturally occurring blood clots in the general population was a baffling move. The issues in the EU cannot all be blamed solely on supply.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2542684]Let's see, on one side, Peter Sagan, 31 years, professional cyclist for 10+ years, 3 times World Champion, 7 times winner green Jersey, 12 Tour de France stages, 1 Giro stage, 4 Vuelta stages, winner at Flanders and Roubaix, 1 time European champion, countless half classics.
On the other side, random guy on the internet, 50+, claiming he is fitter than Sagan.
You claiming that you are more fit in any possible way is as believable as all your stories about "your" WGs how you make all of them cum and how they all want you.
Quod erat demonstrandum.[/QUOTE]I never wrote I m faster than Sagan, did I? Did you read it from me? But I wrote if I give my alloy bicycle costing around 1000 € including climbing technique cassette with 32 and 36 to Davide Formolo. It if you know him and he is not even the best climber and you give your expensive light carbon bicycle to famous Peter Sagan, except on Poggio or Huy wall, Davide will always fuck Sagan on real climbing and everybody know this when knowing a bit about racers performances, when Davide is not Pantani, but nobody is afraid of Sagan on climbing for more than 10 kms or steep like Loze or Mortirolo or Zoncoan, when Davide was named Bora leader in mountain on Giro 2019, and professionnals using 32 on Zoncolan or Mortirolo, they don't climb on 24 or even 28. But my real meaning was the guy on the bicycle is much more important than 2 or 3 kilos saved on bicycle or electric gears, and Sagan is too heavy to be a real climber, when he is a powerful puncher. You want to explain me about gruppetto? When they were already far behind after col de la Madeleine, so they couldn't be so slow to finish on time, less than around 40 mn later I think, using team mates to lead to be on time, but just go with your light carbon and just try. I remember when I put down the car bicycle and prepared it putting on front wheel, topless with swim boxer short to breathe deeply, some people in Meribel asking me: you go to climb Loze? Yes. You know? No, didn't even look at profile, my mistake and climbed earlier on day Cormet Roselend, telling me: but it s terrible, answering: I m here for this, when Alpe Huez is easy for me when you climbed to la Garde if you know a bit, and I confirm some parts and steep wall on top are terrible, but I loved it and want to return on Summer, to improve to be faster than gruppetto, preparing better than for discovery and now I'm ready in mind to suffer for passion and better time. If you want we climb together on August? Great holidays for me. Other funny example could be: in Switzerland, I see many very expensive powerful cars when Swiss drive less than 120, sometimes even 80 on autobahns, my big problem there, and they find Basel or Bern far from Zurich or Geneva, I would buy a Dacia for this, also funny on Basel border, they accelerate, then you stick in their back and nobody over 200 but returning on right file, when with some cars could reach over 300 and legal in Germany on some parts, like on first 10 kilometers entering from Basel, or between north Bremen and south Hamburg, but same than for bicycle, the guy is more important than the car, to be able to push a bit, not true of course for Formula 1 where best car win. From my experience on 2020, with many visits and girls kissed, I didn't feel anything bad, even more than 50, only my bad mood from no ski, but I wish of course all those who need to get vaccine, but I won't run for, I prefer to clean my lungs on my topless climbing, even sometimes really cold on top, then breathing very deeply fresh, like I did on last Summer, but of course I m not Sagan who should better stop smoking, drinking beer and other substances of course, maybe don't help so much for strong health.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2542773]If you compare the curbs from Israel and UK of 2020 with the one of 2021 you will see that the decrease was stronger and faster without vaccine, so we need to wait and the scientifics have to study the things. The problem is not the vaccine or the passport, if in the coming months many vaccinated people get sick it will be game over for the passport. China economy is booming, covid is under control, there is no mass vaccination and no passport, may be we should start to look about the best performers and not about US and UK which are extremely poor performers in the battle against covid.[/QUOTE]Comparing vaccination curves directly with cases would be bad statistics as it is not a direct linear relationship.
Regardless, your claim is blatantly untrue as seen by the following graphs.
UK started vaccinating first week of December and Israel December 20th. Cases peaked on January 10th and 17th respectively. UK vaccination was well underway when cases peaked and continued to decline at the same rate as vaccinations increased. The inverse is also true. As UK vaccination rates plateaued, so did their decline in cases. Now approaching 50% vaccinations and the less at-risk are being vaccinated, there are diminishing returns in case reduction. Your statement is even more untrue in Israel as every time vaccination rates dropped, there was a subsequent decline in case reduction.
[URL] https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=329..424&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~ISR[/URL]
But perhaps more importantly, the effects of vaccines on the death curve is unmistakable. Deaths peaked on January 23rd and 25th respectively. Well over a month after vaccines rolled out and well past when vaccination rates became robust.
[URL] https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=329..424&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~ISR
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For now, the effects of the vaccination campaigns in both countries support their efficacy. That may change but until then, [B]Please stop rooting for the virus to succeed.[/B].
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2542757]An increase in the incidence rate doesn't always mean that the virus is spreading faster.[/QUOTE]Agreed with incidence rate. But if we look at positive rate, we can conclude that the virus is spreading faster than early fall. Even if policy was based on 100 K tests instead of 100 K residents, the numbers show that Germany has still not improved since lockdown light began on November 1. This was also the date that the NRW clubs closed.
Back in September 2020, the CDC estimated that 80 percent of CV19 cases were symptomatic, 20 percent were asymptomatic. Has that ratio changed for the new variants?
Most people who volunteer for a test, probably are symptomatic or have a close contact that is symptomatic. The fact that more people are voluntarily wasting 1-2 hours to take a test suggests that there are more symptomatic people now than September 2020. And if that's true, there are probably more asymptomatic people now than there were in September 2020.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2542577]If CV19 is truly going away, increasing tests should result in a lower daily positive rate. Germany is back at where it was in late-October: [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/positive-rate-daily-smoothed?tab=chart&country=DEU~GBR[/URL].[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2542768] [quote]Quote Originally Posted by McAdonis
If CV19 is truly going away, increasing tests should result in a lower daily positive rate. Germany is back at where it was in late-October: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/p...ountry=DEU~GBR.[/quote]
No.
Imagine you have a fictional city of exactly 100 k inhabitants. Also imagine that you do 100% testing of al citizens, an extreme and unrealistic scenario, but this exaggeration is just to illustrate my point. Also assume that the PC test generates 1% false positive results. You automatically get an "Inzidenzwert" of 1000 per 100000 inhabitants![/QUOTE]No.
You are creating a scenario based on positive per 100 K inhabitants. He is quoting the share of tests that are positive. That number is increasing when it wouldn't be if covid was going away.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2542927]If super hard lockdowns worked, it would not have spread beyond Wuhan in 2020, and even the WHO has recognized that lockdowns can only temporarily reduce the strain on the hospital system, but are completely useless in containing and eradicating a virus.[/QUOTE]Wuhan lockdown started 23rd of January, 2020.
Prior to their lock down, here are some cases already seen outside of China:
Thailand, 12th of January, 2020.
[URL]https://www.statnews.com/2020/01/13/woman-with-novel-pneumonia-virus-hospitalized-in-thailand-the-first-case-outside-china/[/URL]
Japan, 16th of January, 2020.
[URL]https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/01/japan-has-1st-novel-coronavirus-case-china-reports-another-death[/URL]
USA 21st of January, 2020.
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0121-novel-coronavirus-travel-case.html[/URL]
Of course the Wuhan lockdown on the 23rd of January didn't stop the spread of something that was already out.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2542949]They didn't do themselves any favors with the AZ fears. From AZ age restrictions to halting AZ rollout for a blood clot incidence that was less than the rate of naturally occurring blood clots in the general population was a baffling move. The issues in the EU cannot all be blamed solely on supply.[/QUOTE]I retract this statement. Further investigations revealed to me that the nature of the blood clots were more specific and more investigation is justified.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2542949]They didn't do themselves any favors with the AZ fears. From AZ age restrictions to halting AZ rollout for a blood clot incidence that was less than the rate of naturally occurring blood clots in the general population was a baffling move. The issues in the EU cannot all be blamed solely on supply.[/QUOTE]AZ is still restricted in EU, not for women under 40, limited for between 55 and 75 and medical don t run to be vaccined, when I think was not tested for older than 65. EU claim to have now 55 factories to produce 300 millions doses for July, no sputnik at the moment, only Hungary chose out of EU, and Germany should lengthen and stricter lockdown until April when they started after Christmas. What is the reason? UK mutant as I often wrote, which is killing Western continental Europe and even Germany when they forbid UK since a while, about 1 month ago. I think better to find other destination than Germany for 2021, when also elections to come and when beloved Angela started to fall on recent elections in Saarland and Rhein Palatine I think, when Germany suffer under second and now third wave. We may have to wait for heat return on 2022, maybe June? When 2021 is worst than 2020 because of UK mutant spreading faster and killing more. Really bad after Brexit killer gift.
What happen now in US? After usual versus black racism, after killing Indians, now Asians turn for racism? And not only in Atlanta, when Asians are not responsible for Chinese government liars, when most of Chinese are scared about their government. Of course, can also disagree about Japan cultural sexism where women have low value and can even read here, but I don t think average racist US are thinking about this. Very good point in US is vaccine for free, maybe millions of illegals and also all those so many millions without insurance can get, when a bit unfair disease, killing more poor than rich, even Africa manage quite well and I m very happy for them.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2542991]Comparing vaccination curves directly with cases would be bad statistics as it is not a direct linear relationship.
Regardless, your claim is blatantly untrue as seen by the following graphs.
UK started vaccinating first week of December and Israel December 20th. Cases peaked on January 10th and 17th respectively. UK vaccination was well underway when cases peaked and continued to decline at the same rate as vaccinations increased. The inverse is also true. As UK vaccination rates plateaued, so did their decline in cases. Now approaching 50% vaccinations and the less at-risk are being vaccinated, there are diminishing returns in case reduction. Your statement is even more untrue in Israel as every time vaccination rates dropped, there was a subsequent decline in case reduction.
[URL] https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=329..424&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~ISR[/URL]
But perhaps more importantly, the effects of vaccines on the death curve is unmistakable. Deaths peaked on January 23rd and 25th respectively. Well over a month after vaccines rolled out and well past when vaccination rates became robust.
[URL] https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=329..424&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~ISR
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For now, the effects of the vaccination campaigns in both countries support their efficacy. That may change but until then, [B]Please stop rooting for the virus to succeed.[/B].[/QUOTE]Sorry I do what I want, and advise you to visit your ophthalmologist. I checked again in 2020 for Israel and UK both decrease were far faster and stronger before the vaccination campaign. Always the same story when the reality doesn't fit what you think the reality doesn't exist.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2543002]Agreed with incidence rate. But if we look at positive rate, we can conclude that the virus is spreading faster than early fall. Even if policy was based on 100 K tests instead of 100 K residents, the numbers show that Germany has still not improved since lockdown light began on November 1.[/QUOTE]Lockdown "light?" Dude, the November lockdowns were even more restrictive as the original lockdown in March 2020; restaurants, bars, gyms, and everything else shut. Even the Baumarkt was closed this time around, which wasn't the case during the March 2020 lockdown. Stick to the facts!
So let's assume a 1% false positive number on 100 k tests. That's 1000 'cases' right then and there. Do 1 million tests and you get 10 k 'cases' from the false positives alone. Testing and 'cases' only make sense if you look at the percentage of positive cases of the total number of tests. The percentage goes up: virus is spreading. Percentage goes down: virus is retreating.
Here's a sarcastic example for the mathematically challenged:
So let's only do 20 tests per week? Even if they are all 'positive' then we can lift the lockdown because it's under the Incident Rate of 35, right? / sarc This example illustrates how the Incident Rate is manipulated with an increase or decrease in the number of tests.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2543002]Most people who volunteer for a test, probably are symptomatic or have a close contact that is symptomatic. The fact that more people are voluntarily wasting 1-2 hours to take a test suggests that there are more symptomatic people now than September 2020.[/QUOTE]Lot's of "probably" and "suggests" from yet another American armchair expert.
First of all: people do 'not show up for a voluntary test,' but tests are now required for children and teachers to attend school already in most Federal States, and will be required for people to visit a restaurant or gym, IF they ever open up.
[URL]https://www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/coronatest/faq-schnelltests.html[/URL]#c20760.
[QUOTE]Werden Selbsttests Pflicht vor dem Schul- oder Kita-Besuch?
Es ist Aufgabe der Länder, ihre Schulen und Kitas mit Schnelltest zu versorgen. Es können auch Selbsttests als Teil der Teststrategie der Länder für Kitas und Schulen zum Einsatz kommen.[/QUOTE]My translation: 'It's the task of states to supply schools and daycare centers with fast tests. (er, that wasn't the question, who cares who supplies those tests! The question was about tests being mandatory!) Fast tests at schools or daycare centers can be part of a test strategy of federal states. ' Err, again, that wasn't the question, who cares about testing strategy, the question was about tests being mandatory!
Notice (if you speak any German at all) how deliberately vague the answer is to the question whether 'quick tests are mandatory for visiting schools or daycare.'
Fact is, as ALL of my German colleagues who have kids have confirmed: testing healthy asymptomatic kids is mandatory before attending school or dumping your kids at a daycare center.
Refusal to take the tests results in suspension of either the student or the teacher: [URL]https://www.saechsische.de/zittau/lehrer-vom-dienst-suspendiert-eltern-verweigern-corona-test-selbsttest-pflicht-5402204-plus.html[/URL].
So NO McAdonis, stop gaslighting with your "probably" and "suggest" and stick to facts! It might help if you actually learn a little bit of the language of the country where you live in, or doesn't the USAFE have any 'free' (tax slave funded) language classes? LOL!
P.S. I already posted this but look at the example of Kleinmachnow I posted below, this is a FACT and that is that only healthy and asymptomatic people are tested.
[URL]https://coronatest-tks.de[/URL]
Notice how it says: "Getestet werden nur gesunde, symptomfreie Personen" on the sign? Can you read the German sentence? Do you know what "nur" means?
Translation, emphasis mine: Tested are only healthy, asymptomatic people!
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2542931]By the way, let's see if Germany's health minister 'Jasmina' Spahn will survive the scandal surrounding his 'husband' and a corrupt deal with face masks:
[URL]https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/deutschland/id_89700698/corona-spahns-ministerium-kaufte-masken-bei-arbeitgeber-seines-mannes.html[/URL]
Caption underneath the photo:
My translation: 'Health minister Jens Spahn and his husband Daniel Funke: evidently the company for which Funke is working as a lobbyist, sold Spahn's ministry masks.'
Let's see if Captain Merkel of the Pirate-Ship "DDR 2.0" ties all the shit that has gone wrong during the last year (hint: almost everything) to Spahn, and then throws him overboard. LOL![/QUOTE]You can find corrupt politicians across all parties. No wonder that the lobby registration law in Germany didn't go anywhere for so long and it's pretty toothless.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2543029]I retract this statement. Further investigations revealed to me that the nature of the blood clots were more specific and more investigation is justified.[/QUOTE]There have also been issues with the Pfizer jab related to blood clots but the Pfizer one was not withdrawn / restricted etc. Hmmm. I wonder why. Maybe it is because it is mainly or solely made for profit on mainland Europe? The AZ vaccine is sold at cost in UK. The EU should be ashamed of themselves for playing politics with peoples lives, they disgust me.
[QUOTE=Abox79;2543207]There have also been issues with the Pfizer jab related to blood clots but the Pfizer one was not withdrawn / restricted etc. Hmmm. I wonder why. Maybe it is because it is mainly or solely made for profit on mainland Europe? The AZ vaccine is sold at cost in UK. The EU should be ashamed of themselves for playing politics with peoples lives, they disgust me.[/QUOTE]The EU has never suspended any Covid vaccine. Some member states suspended AZ vaccine for further investigations, which have now been resolved.
[QUOTE=Abox79;2543207]There have also been issues with the Pfizer jab related to blood clots but the Pfizer one was not withdrawn / restricted etc. Hmmm. I wonder why. Maybe it is because it is mainly or solely made for profit on mainland Europe? The AZ vaccine is sold at cost in UK. The EU should be ashamed of themselves for playing politics with peoples lives, they disgust me.[/QUOTE]Why playing with people lives? Better not to overreact, nobody knows what could be the side effects in 3 or 5 years from all those vaccines, never there was so a hurry to bring a vaccine on the market. Second nobody knows today how effective they really are in 6 months, 12 months and against the new variants which will probably pop up. What is sure it that the vaccine strategies are quite different for example in China you can t get the vaccine if you are over 59, in Europe we start to vaccinate the old people, if I look how China manage the pandemy I am more willing to believe the Chinese strategy.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2543151]Translation, emphasis mine: Tested are only healthy, asymptomatic people![/QUOTE]I agree with your original statement that if you increase testing, you will find more total people with CV19, however if the virus is subsiding, than in addition to finding more total cases, we should also be seeing the percentage of cases that are coming back positive decreasing. They were testing many people throughout the whole of Europe the entire summer, (many of them asymptomatic coming back from holiday flights), and positive ratings were 1 percent.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2543151]So let's assume a 1% false positive number on 100 k tests. That's 1000 'cases' right then and there. Do 1 million tests and you get 10 k 'cases' from the false positives alone. [/QUOTE]Legitimate question what is the number of false negatives? Too lazy to look that up. Would they cancel each other out?
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2543151]Testing and 'cases' only make sense if you look at the percentage of positive cases of the total number of tests. The percentage goes up: virus is spreading. Percentage goes down: virus is retreating.[/QUOTE]Agree that percentage of positive cases / total number of tests makes more sense. All I am pointing out is that if we could use this metric, it has increased over the last week in Germany, where as UK has seen precipitous drop in its positive rate since first week of January: [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/positive-rate-daily-smoothed?tab=chart&country=DEU~GBR[/URL].
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2543151]So let's only do 20 tests per week? Even if they are all 'positive' then we can lift the lockdown because it's under the Incident Rate of 35, right? / sarc This example illustrates how the Incident Rate is manipulated with an increase or decrease in the number of tests.
[/QUOTE]Sounds like a good policy to me, if you want to draft that up for me, I will sign off. Problem is I am just some random loser on the Internet. I have no power to open anything up. You act like people on ISG are social media influencers with a million followers, or that we are incognito politicians or business leaders. If we were, we probably wouldn't have that much free time to be post.
[QUOTE=Abox79;2543207]There have also been issues with the Pfizer jab related to blood clots but the Pfizer one was not withdrawn / restricted etc. Hmmm. I wonder why. Maybe it is because it is mainly or solely made for profit on mainland Europe? The AZ vaccine is sold at cost in UK. The EU should be ashamed of themselves for playing politics with peoples lives, they disgust me.[/QUOTE]You mean as in not restricting exports to the UK? I agree this should have been done in order to speed up vaccination. The Brits have their own plants to produce the vaccine from.
[QUOTE=Abox79;2543207]There have also been issues with the Pfizer jab related to blood clots but the Pfizer one was not withdrawn / restricted etc. Hmmm. I wonder why. Maybe it is because it is mainly or solely made for profit on mainland Europe? The AZ vaccine is sold at cost in UK. The EU should be ashamed of themselves for playing politics with peoples lives, they disgust me.[/QUOTE]The difference is that some Pfizer recipients saw more benign types of venous blood clots and at a lower incidence than the background incidence observed in the general population. Perhaps more importantly, the AZ vaccine is being implicated in a much more potentially harmful type of clot: CSVT, a specific cerebral thrombus. The low incidence and small sample size is too low to make a precise comparison to the background incidence but the potential severity of this complication warrants investigation and rule out of a causative effect.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2543230]The EU has never suspended any Covid vaccine. Some member states suspended AZ vaccine for further investigations, which have now been resolved.[/QUOTE]Further investigations were never necessary, AZ is EMA and WHO approved. It's purely political moves by Macron etc that are throwing their dummies out of the pram because the Brits put their order in first and have done a great job with the vaccines.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2543137]Sorry I do what I want, and advise you to visit your ophthalmologist. I checked again in 2020 for Israel and UK both decrease were far faster and stronger before the vaccination campaign. Always the same story when the reality doesn't fit what you think the reality doesn't exist.[/QUOTE]At no point in 2020 did incidence decrease faster than in 2021, a month after the vaccine was first administered in the UK. In Israel, you are correct.
[QUOTE=Abox79;2543348]Further investigations were never necessary, AZ is EMA and WHO approved. It's purely political moves by Macron etc that are throwing their dummies out of the pram because the Brits put their order in first and have done a great job with the vaccines.[/QUOTE]Mate, you must be English.
I don't understand why you make such a big deal out of this except if this about your national pride. Something happened and a few countries stopped vaccination a few days to investigate. Nothing to see. Move along.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2543236]Why playing with people lives? Better not to overreact, nobody knows what could be the side effects in 3 or 5 years from all those vaccines, never there was so a hurry to bring a vaccine on the market. Second nobody knows today how effective they really are in 6 months, 12 months and against the new variants which will probably pop up. What is sure it that the vaccine strategies are quite different for example in China you can t get the vaccine if you are over 59, in Europe we start to vaccinate the old people, if I look how China manage the pandemy I am more willing to believe the Chinese strategy.[/QUOTE]So in China they don't protect weakest who are oldest? They prefer to protect those who should be strong enough to resist and make own inside soldiers.
[QUOTE=Abox79;2543348]Further investigations were never necessary, AZ is EMA and WHO approved. It's purely political moves by Macron etc that are throwing their dummies out of the pram because the Brits put their order in first and have done a great job with the vaccines.[/QUOTE]I am old enough to remember so many medical scandals in the last 40 years. Let us wait several years to see if really the Brits have done a great job. Nobody knows what could be the side effects of the vaccines, what is the real efficiency, only the time will be able to answer. England like France were powerful countries leading the western year but this time is gone and today they are just average countries with a lot of problems unable to protect their citizen correctly. Like for all this kind of virus we will see a strong decrease during summer, starting from October we will see how efficient the vaccines are.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2543331]The difference is that some Pfizer recipients saw more benign types of venous blood clots and at a lower incidence than the background incidence observed in the general population. Perhaps more importantly, the AZ vaccine is being implicated in a much more potentially harmful type of clot: CSVT, a specific cerebral thrombus. The low incidence and small sample size is too low to make a precise comparison to the background incidence but the potential severity of this complication warrants investigation and rule out of a causative effect.[/QUOTE]Low incidents rate? 8% of all AZ vaccines given here has reported side effects. 20% of which are severe. Meaning 2% of the total gives dangerous side effects that can lead to hospitalization. That is anything but a low number. And worse than covid itself! But we all know that in most places in this world, people hesitate to report on side effects. And sometimes it goes a long time before they do. And by then the doctor might come up with some alternate reason for it.
My bad. 1.6% dangerous side effects. Still high!
[QUOTE=Abox79;2543348]Further investigations were never necessary, AZ is EMA and WHO approved. It's purely political moves by Macron etc that are throwing their dummies out of the pram because the Brits put their order in first and have done a great job with the vaccines.[/QUOTE]Who said they were not necessary? They observed some rare clots in some German patients and you think the German regulator should look away? Put yourself in the guy who has to give permission to use a certain vaccine, wouldn't you want to investigate? Then yes, other countries followed Germany for the same reasons, so that they can avoid protests from their own population. It has nothing to do with the Brits, not everything is about the Brits. The Brits mainly got their vaccine supplies from India, which has also reduced exports but I don't see the same animosity towards them.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2543437]My bad. 1.6% dangerous side effects. Still high![/QUOTE]For the moment something like 10 % of the symptomatic cases still suffer from long covid 12 weeks after the acute symptoms.
Who knows if they'll heal one day? Maybe they'll be disabled forever. 10% is higher than 1.6 %.
In Denmark they said that they will reopen pretty much everything when all risk groups and all people over 50 have been offered vaccination.
I wonder if this is what other countries will do.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2543513]For the moment something like 10 % of the symptomatic cases still suffer from long covid 12 weeks after the acute symptoms.
Who knows if they'll heal one day? Maybe they'll be disabled forever. 10% is higher than 1.6 %.[/QUOTE]But then you should compare the 10% to the 8% number. And given vaccines are given to everyone, I think this is still bad math.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2543517]In Denmark they said that they will reopen pretty much everything when all risk groups and all people over 50 have been offered vaccination.
I wonder if this is what other countries will do.[/QUOTE]Why not but all this remains me what happened in Europe during summer 2020, everything was open, people enjoy holidays like there was no pandemy and in October lock down. Before taking any decisions the politicians have to know how efficient the vaccines are, how long they protect and against which virus. Today all those aspects are under scrutiny and nobody is able to predict the results.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2543517]In Denmark they said that they will reopen pretty much everything when all risk groups and all people over 50 have been offered vaccination.
I wonder if this is what other countries will do.[/QUOTE]Yes, that sounds sensible. Once most people at risk have been vaccinated, governments will open everything up again. The main objective is to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed and reduce the death rate.
The 8% figure is not the easy side effect that seems to go away within days such as fever, headache and vomiting. Those numbers are at close to 100%. The 8% numbers are side effects that will most likely stay with you. While the 1.6% serious side effects may be life threatening at one point. Mainly related to blood clots.
Don't cherry pick your math comparisons please!
This is two days old. Before announcing that current lockdown will last until April 18. Hard lockdown between April 1 and 5.
[QUOTE]Two German local government organizations on Sunday called for a more flexible benchmark to be applied when it comes to assessing coronavirus lockdown rules.
Association of German Cities President Burkhard Jung told the Funke Mediengruppe newspaper group that there was widespread dissatisfaction with pandemic policies at a local level. "I am worried that the coronavirus policy of the federal and state governments is losing support on the ground even among the mayors," Jung said.
"We should introduce a new coronavirus indicator that also looks at the vaccination rate, the burden of the intensive care units and case mortality."
The assessment was shared by the German Association of Towns and Municipalities, whose chief executive Gerd Landsberg told the Welt am Sonntag newspaper that measures should apply to clearly identifiable hotspots.
https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-covid-rate-exceeds-critical-100-in-100000-rate/a-56942467
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2543513]For the moment something like 10 % of the symptomatic cases still suffer from long covid 12 weeks after the acute symptoms.
Who knows if they'll heal one day? Maybe they'll be disabled forever. 10% is higher than 1.6 %.[/QUOTE]Notice how they harp on long term effects of the vaccine which is basically just part of the virus but pay no attention to the long term effects of the active virus and the disease process itself? Selective memory I guess.
Anyway, none of the data shows a 1.6% occurrence of "serious" side effects or anything of the sort due to any of the vaccines. Pfizer data shows that "serious" adverse side effects (which they actually define what is meant by "serious") showed an incidence of 0. 6% with the background incidence of non-vaccinated group showing 0. 5%. Not exactly groundbreaking.
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer/reactogenicity.html[/URL]
For AZ, the most serious [B]possible[/B] side effect discovered thus far (CSVT) showed an incidence of 30 cases in over 20 million+ shots given. That's an incidence rate of 1. 5 per million, still lower than the 4 per million observed in background CSVT incidence.
Also, let's not ignore the most serious "side effect". Case fatality rate for SarsCov2 remains over 2% in Europe and Worldwide. Death from virus is still more likely than this random 1.6% incidence of "serious" side effects he grabbed from this air.
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=earliest..426&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Case+fatality+rate&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=OWID_WRL~Europe~USA[/URL]
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2543513]For the moment something like 10 % of the symptomatic cases still suffer from long covid 12 weeks after the acute symptoms.
Who knows if they'll heal one day? Maybe they'll be disabled forever. 10% is higher than 1.6 %.[/QUOTE]Don't forget to add another 2% for another side effect, 2% died.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2543546]The 8% figure is not the easy side effect that seems to go away within days such as fever, headache and vomiting. Those numbers are at close to 100%. The 8% numbers are side effects that will most likely stay with you. While the 1.6% serious side effects may be life threatening at one point. Mainly related to blood clots.
Don't cherry pick your math comparisons please![/QUOTE]For sure I will never take the AZ, or the Pfister and Moderna. I trust 0 in all those politicians and phamaticals why in the contracts with the EU they have ask not to be responsible for any side effects. I advice all the people to do the same it is the responsibility of the leaders to make us believe in them, today there is 0 trust. Ok many companies will bankruptcies and people get unemployed and than is that really my problem?
[QUOTE=Pistons;2543546]The 8% figure is not the easy side effect that seems to go away within days such as fever, headache and vomiting. Those numbers are at close to 100%. The 8% numbers are side effects that will most likely stay with you. While the 1.6% serious side effects may be life threatening at one point. Mainly related to blood clots.
Don't cherry pick your math comparisons please![/QUOTE]Funny I just checked the ANSM website (Agence Nationale de Securite du Medicament, french agency).
[URL]https://ansm.sante.fr/uploads/2021/03/19/20210319-covid-19-vaccins-astrazeneca-rapport-5-2.pdf[/URL]
They report 1 041 526 AZ first injections, 4 184 cases of side effects since the beginning of the AZ vaccination campaign. 66% of those side effects occurred the day of the injection.
Among those cases, 2975 are mild, 1209 are severe.
Among the severe cases: 3 deaths, 7 persons in danger of dying, 31 hospitalized persons, 40 invalid or unable (can't find a good way to translate it), 1129 medically significative (actually the sum is 1210 but maybe they have some problems with maths).
So for me that makes 1 209/1 041 526 x 100=0,12 % of severe side effects among the injected persons (0,29% of mild side effects). Maybe Astra Zeneca mixes well with camembert or French baguette, but that's not exactly the same figures as yours. Probably because your figures come from your secret network of vigilantes who know better than everyone else. Or because every French agency is corrupted by the evil Big Pharma (and probably Bill Gates, the Deep State, George Soros).
Could we have the source of your accurate data please?
[QUOTE=Abox79;2543348]Further investigations were never necessary, AZ is EMA and WHO approved. It's purely political moves by Macron etc that are throwing their dummies out of the pram because the Brits put their order in first and have done a great job with the vaccines.[/QUOTE]French government asked our medicals and other French to vaccine with cheap and easy AZ, even restrictions for AZ and I m surprised allowed until 75 , when I think it was not tested on older than 65 . But many medicals in France and Germany don't seem to trust AZ, like many Russians don't trust sputnik. Wait for Jonhson to be produced in EU.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2543613]For sure I will never take the AZ, or the Pfister and Moderna. I trust 0 in all those politicians and phamaticals why in the contracts with the EU they have ask not to be responsible for any side effects. I advice all the people to do the same it is the responsibility of the leaders to make us believe in them, today there is 0 trust. Ok many companies will bankruptcies and people get unemployed and than is that really my problem?[/QUOTE]I thought You would run for Chinese vaccine, when we all know about Chinese reliability. When I read about more than 3000 deaths daily in Brazil under crazy Bolzonaro, when US got read of crazy Trump and new Biden is making quite good job to try to save US citizens lives. Of course after vaccine, he will have to fight versus war weapons, when no more Pawnies, all killed long ago. When EU should have soon 55 factories producing 300 millions doses, when I see German decision, Italy, France, under UK mutant, wish all those who need and want to get vaccined, for less deaths and when some are sick for long time or handicaped after covid. No Qanon thinking vaccine could be used to track, for me. EU is different than China or Russia, fortunately, even I love Russia, but not ex KGB Putin, sometimes arguing about him with my Russian girls, real ones, not those in FKK who are not able to speak Russian.
As I said already, most countries are giving out fake numbers. Side effects are not counted, and a lot is being covered up. So always take the worst numbers as facts.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2543585]Notice how they harp on long term effects of the vaccine which is basically just part of the virus but pay no attention to the long term effects of the active virus and the disease process itself? Selective memory I guess.
Anyway, none of the data shows a 1.6% occurrence of "serious" side effects or anything of the sort due to any of the vaccines. Pfizer data shows that "serious" adverse side effects (which they actually define what is meant by "serious") showed an incidence of 0. 6% with the background incidence of non-vaccinated group showing 0. 5%. Not exactly groundbreaking.
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer/reactogenicity.html[/URL]
For AZ, the most serious [B]possible[/B] side effect discovered thus far (CSVT) showed an incidence of 30 cases in over 20 million+ shots given. That's an incidence rate of 1. 5 per million, still lower than the 4 per million observed in background CSVT incidence.
Also, let's not ignore the most serious "side effect". Case fatality rate for SarsCov2 remains over 2% in Europe and Worldwide. Death from virus is still more likely than this random 1.6% incidence of "serious" side effects he grabbed from this air.[/QUOTE]Famous last words.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2543624]Funny[/QUOTE]I am not sure how funny it is that you and other wannabe medical personell are being systemically lied through and brainwashed.
I agree. And the worst numbers are not even publicized.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2543799]As I said already, most countries are giving out fake numbers. Side effects are not counted, and a lot is being covered up. So always take the worst numbers as facts.[/QUOTE]
So, no sources?
I have another interesting number for you:
100 % of the weirdos living in a fantasy world serial posting on ISG:
A. are bored at work or unemployed.
B. Suffer from some severe psychological troubles (paranoia, delusions of grandeur, mythomania).
See. Have a strong tendency to engage in totally fucked up theories just to comfort themselves in thinking they are some kind of free thinking mavericks.
D. Have strictly no clue of what they're talking about.
In the worst cases, you can combine the 4 factors.
[QUOTE=Kuni042;2543903]I agree. And the worst numbers are not even publicized.[/QUOTE]Just vaccine numbers or covid numbers too? Who's organizing all of the world governments to only publish suppressed numbers? So many questions.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2543791]I thought You would run for Chinese vaccine, when we all know about Chinese reliability. When I read about more than 3000 deaths daily in Brazil under crazy Bolzonaro, when US got read of crazy Trump and new Biden is making quite good job to try to save US citizens lives. Of course after vaccine, he will have to fight versus war weapons, when no more Pawnies, all killed long ago. When EU should have soon 55 factories producing 300 millions doses, when I see German decision, Italy, France, under UK mutant, wish all those who need and want to get vaccined, for less deaths and when some are sick for long time or handicaped after covid. No Qanon thinking vaccine could be used to track, for me. EU is different than China or Russia, fortunately, even I love Russia, but not ex KGB Putin, sometimes arguing about him with my Russian girls, real ones, not those in FKK who are not able to speak Russian.[/QUOTE]Belgium again under strict lockdown, closing schools, under UK mutant. In some parts of France, 90% of cases are UK mutant. Really killing our continent.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2543930]Just vaccine numbers or covid numbers too? Who's organizing all of the world governments to only publish suppressed numbers? So many questions.[/QUOTE]They have bots to do these things.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2543871]I am not sure how funny it is that you and other wannabe medical personell are being systemically lied through and brainwashed.[/QUOTE]Yes you're right, most people have brainwashed now a days.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2543923]So, no sources?
I have another interesting number for you:
100 % of the weirdos living in a fantasy world serial posting on ISG:
A. are bored at work or unemployed.
B. Suffer from some severe psychological troubles (paranoia, delusions of grandeur, mythomania).
See. Have a strong tendency to engage in totally fucked up theories just to comfort themselves in thinking they are some kind of free thinking mavericks.
D. Have strictly no clue of what they're talking about.
In the worst cases, you can combine the 4 factors.[/QUOTE]I'll add 3 theories and you pick to which 3 they apply.
1. Just a dork that annoys well-adjusted people in social situations. The animosity towards the institutions that rejects him prompts him to in turn reject anything within social norms, directing him to proclaim insightful knowledge to which he is selectively privy. If contributing factors go unaddressed, will not be able to rule out progression into the next case:
2. High likelihood of a personality disorder with deep rooted defense mechanisms such as selective memory and delusions of grandeur. Viewpoints, self image, and stated behaviors show signs of long term psychosis. The repetitive declarations of amazing feats suggest weaknesses in the defense mechanisms by demonstrating a need for constant self-reassurance.
3. All views can be traced to political bias, consistently arguing positions routinely aligned with the social views of a particular political platform.
Bonus commonality: above problems stem from a lack of love and reassurance from peers.
[QUOTE=JohnReter335;2543950]They have bots to do these things.[/QUOTE]Ah, bots! So the majority of the data from the majority of independent research endeavors independently conducted in the majority of nations have been compromised while going unnoticed by the majority of the independent research teams that conducted them?
Damn bots infiltrating the world's research databases!
Barely anyone's dying and much of the old people have been vaccinated, it's time for the EU open up the businesses and the internal borders, people can't be oppressed much longer.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2543923]So, no sources?
I have another interesting number for you:
100 % of the weirdos living in a fantasy world serial posting on ISG:
A. are bored at work or unemployed.
B. Suffer from some severe psychological troubles (paranoia, delusions of grandeur, mythomania).
See. Have a strong tendency to engage in totally fucked up theories just to comfort themselves in thinking they are some kind of free thinking mavericks.
D. Have strictly no clue of what they're talking about.
In the worst cases, you can combine the 4 factors.[/QUOTE]You're most certainly one of those weirdos. I would say that you're unemployed and suffer from psychological problems.
I don't think governments have all the numbers. Not by far. For example, I have read that in addition to the 80 K direct covid-deaths in Germany, there is an additional 40 K of deaths, because of delayed cancer treatments, and also delayed cancer diagnosis.
Just for cancer!! (here some indication of this [URL]https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/10/11/e043828[/URL]).
About 200 K babies didn't see even the light of day, because covid drove people (in Germany. And I am sure it is not alone) not to get any babies.
[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-pandemic-leads-to-baby-bust-rather-than-boom/a-56851590[/URL]
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2543930]Just vaccine numbers or covid numbers too? Who's organizing all of the world governments to only publish suppressed numbers? So many questions.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Kuni042;2543984]I don't think governments have all the numbers. Not by far. For example, I have read that in addition to the 80 K direct covid-deaths in Germany, there is an additional 40 K of deaths, because of delayed cancer treatments, and also delayed cancer diagnosis.
Just for cancer!! (here some indication of this [URL]https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/10/11/e043828[/URL]).
About 200 K babies didn't see even the light of day, because covid drove people (in Germany. And I am sure it is not alone) not to get any babies.
[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-pandemic-leads-to-baby-bust-rather-than-boom/a-56851590[/URL][/QUOTE]I agree with you that governments don't have all relevant data and that covid restrictions likely has unintended effects on excess deaths of non-covid causes. At the very least, governments and health organizations are not making fully effective use of the data that is available.
I will however contest the validity of the excess cancer death claim. The cited paper merely suggests a model and one created for England rather than Germany. And that model estimates a 1 year excess death from 7 K up to 17 K. Furthermore they are merely making a prediction and an estimation and not quoting actual realized deaths.
While I give credence to various non-covid causes of deaths rising, I found no such data that suggests that 40 K excess cancer deaths have already occurred in Germany. In fact, the data from Germany suggests that non covid related deaths in Germany declined. From March 2020 to Feb 2021, Germany saw 65.1 K covid deaths; however, total excess deaths was only 63.7 K. Without direct covid deaths, excess deaths was -1. 4 K in Germany. With this info, it's hard to rationalize a scenario in which an extra 40 K people in Germany died due to inadequate treatment cancer.
[URL]https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker[/URL]
Germany is not alone with Covid deaths outpacing excess death. UK, Sweden, France, Luxembourg, Denmark, Belgium, Japan, South Korea, Norway, Australia, and many others show the same trend. All point to the observation that deaths from other causes in those nations have actually decreased.
Now, looking at other nations, the contrary can be deducted to be more prevalent. But one would have to entertain the fact that nations like Russia saw 425 K excess deaths but only 75 K covid deaths. Or that Mexico only saw 100 K covid deaths but 300 K excess deaths. But how much do you trust data from Russia or developing countries?
[QUOTE=Kuni042;2543984]I don't think governments have all the numbers. Not by far. For example, I have read that in addition to the 80 K direct covid-deaths in Germany, there is an additional 40 K of deaths, because of delayed cancer treatments, and also delayed cancer diagnosis.
Just for cancer!! (here some indication of this [URL]https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/10/11/e043828[/URL]).
[/QUOTE]I would be interested to see the figures for other countries, ranging from those that had fewer cases (Vietnam, Taiwan, Australia, NZ, Finland, Norway) to those that had their healthcare systems stretched (Italy, UK, USA). Due to global supply chains being disrupted, there is probably higher excess mortality in poorer countries.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2543971]Barely anyone's dying and much of the old people have been vaccinated, it's time for the EU open up the businesses and the internal borders, people can't be oppressed much longer.[/QUOTE]The things are not so easy, the things are worse than ever and in many countries the health care system is under tremendous pressure. The impact of the lock down are very different for the people, for example if you live in a nice house with a nice garden, outside a big city the impact for you will be very low. On the other side if you live in a small apartment in a city, meeting friends in bars or restaurants several times a week the lock down will impact you a lot.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2543971]Barely anyone's dying and much of the old people have been vaccinated, it's time for the EU open up the businesses and the internal borders, people can't be oppressed much longer.[/QUOTE]EU? What's their role here? Blaming EU is just another version of the Secret World Order conspiracy.
Lfvand doesn't need someone's permission to remove restrictions.
The same goes for the freedom loving independent English but they're still stuck with stricter restrictions and are prevented from leaving the country too. Johnson will find an excuse to not have to relax restrictions, don't worry.
[QUOTE=Kuni042;2543984]I don't think governments have all the numbers. Not by far. For example, I have read that in addition to the 80 K direct covid-deaths in Germany, there is an additional 40 K of deaths, because of delayed cancer treatments, and also delayed cancer diagnosis.
Just for cancer!! (here some indication of this [URL]https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/10/11/e043828[/URL]).
About 200 K babies didn't see even the light of day, because covid drove people (in Germany. And I am sure it is not alone) not to get any babies.
[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-pandemic-leads-to-baby-bust-rather-than-boom/a-56851590[/URL][/QUOTE]Too many deaths from covid but will be more from consequences, and also less babies in France, more violence at home, and many people falling sick or losing job, having falling life, when a French here, with no risk job monthly paid by French government for all his fonctionnaire carreer, not knowing anything about business logic: how much You make, how much You cost, to decide if You worth, when some like me prefer to try to keep their business, taking risk for my life since 1 year, rather than staying safe at home in bed close to heater waiting to be paid by French government. Really bullshiting guy on all topics, same than for expensive carbon bike climbing with a fat on, I would like to see, or maybe electric.
[QUOTE=Ararat;2544111]EU? What's their role here? Blaming EU is just another version of the Secret World Order conspiracy.
Lfvand doesn't need someone's permission to remove restrictions.
The same goes for the freedom loving independent English but they're still stuck with stricter restrictions and are prevented from leaving the country too. Johnson will find an excuse to not have to relax restrictions, don't worry.[/QUOTE]What I wrote was that it's time for the EU to open up and get rid of its internal restrictions. How exactly it's supposed to be done wasn't something that I mentioned.
The EU commission could make such a suggestion to get the ball rolling, just as they did with the vaccine passports.
You should make less assumptions and know more, that way you wouldn't make yourself look so stupid.
Agenda 2030: Grand scale population reduction. I have already wrote about this before. So why keep asking? Do both of you wannabe health personnel have some kind of fetish towards reading about nefarious systemic genocide agendas?
Here you can read all about Agenda 2030, although not all regarding the means we have to get through in order to achieve these goals:
[URL]https://sdgs.un.org/2030agenda[/URL]
I also believe we are all nuts. I have yet to meet one single person who I do not consider a lunatic. In my entire life. 100% of everyone I have met I can easily define as having a dousin plus negative psychological conditions if I want to frame them that way. Especially if I lie a bit too. Like the nurse loves so much. Lying is one psychological trait for example.
Excess deaths are one thing. I suspect deaths are the easiest to measure. Side effects not leading to deaths on the other hand which are not being counted may just be multiplied several folds. Even in modern nations. Men for example hardly ever goes to the doctor. For example, women report 20% more side effects than men. And where I live, all newspapers are strongly encouraging everyone to report side effects. So that is where the 8% life long side effects (auto-immune disease) comes from. Which is actually slightly higher due to the reporting rate by men not being as high as for women.
And that is only the auto immune diseases catalogued as of yet. Bear in mind that the number of autoimmune diseases always increases over time. 12 years into the future due to natural mutations.
So by all means this is comparable to Thanos. And the defenders of this genocidal programme are all satanistis.
I have a question for you guys. What if all the governments of the world became sane or insane, depending on which way you look at it, and opened up their countries and all their establishments to all travelers now exactly like pre-covid times, would you travel?
[QUOTE=Turgid;2544213]I have a question for you guys. What if all the governments of the world became sane or insane, depending on which way you look at it, and opened up their countries and all their establishments to all travelers now exactly like pre-covid times, would you travel?[/QUOTE]I would travel as before only after being vaccinated.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2544213]I have a question for you guys. What if all the governments of the world became sane or insane, depending on which way you look at it, and opened up their countries and all their establishments to all travelers now exactly like pre-covid times, would you travel?[/QUOTE]I will not go before the situation is really under control. It is more than 6 months that I already implemented a be plan, that satisfy me a lot and my partners also. I will not wait desperately the opening of FKK, sex is not forbidden and may be better than ever. For that you need to be a bit attractive, having some cash, investing in relations. More difficult than to put 50 euro on the table in a FKK and fucking like a. I trust you that you will again overreact to my comment.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2544225]I would travel as before only after being vaccinated.[/QUOTE]Good, we need people to take a shot to the head. For the team. Because otherwise the planet will die. As is written in Agenda 2030.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2544114] ... when a French here, with no risk job monthly paid by French government for all his fonctionnaire carreer, not knowing anything about business logic: how much You make, how much You cost, to decide if You worth, when some like me prefer to try to keep their business, taking risk for my life since 1 year, rather than staying safe at home in bed close to heater waiting to be paid by French government. Really bullshiting guy on all topics, same than for expensive carbon bike climbing with a fat on, I would like to see, or maybe electric.[/QUOTE]So you heroically risk your life for a year when you go to work, but there is no risk when you go to a brothel?
Got it.
Did Marc Madiot call you yet?
[QUOTE=Pistons;2544246]Good, we need people to take a shot to the head. For the team. Because otherwise the planet will die. As is written in Agenda 2030.[/QUOTE]I will ask to get the shot in my upper arm as everybody else, but if you want to get it in the head, who am I to judge? Be my guest LOL.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2544024]I would be interested to see the figures for other countries, ranging from those that had fewer cases (Vietnam, Taiwan, Australia, NZ, Finland, Norway) to those that had their healthcare systems stretched (Italy, UK, USA). Due to global supply chains being disrupted, there is probably higher excess mortality in poorer countries.[/QUOTE]For totals:
[URL] https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker[/URL]
For trends:
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores?tab=table[/URL]
Data is often not reliable for developing nations if there's even any data at all. In several Western nations and developed East nations, covid deaths exceeds excess deaths, meaning less non-covid deaths compared to previous years. In several countries such as Australia and NZ, overall deaths are lower than pre-covid.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2544255]So you heroically risk your life for a year when you go to work, but there is no risk when you go to a brothel?
Got it.
Did Marc Madiot call you yet?[/QUOTE]There is a risk for the other drivers.
Why should Marc Madiot call?
Does he need a midget mascot for the team?
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2544255]So you heroically risk your life for a year when you go to work, but there is no risk when you go to a brothel?
Got it.
Did Marc Madiot call you yet?[/QUOTE]French government ask for work from home. I could manage before, but not anymore since 1 year, needing to go daily on the field to check safety, despite risks, to save my business, when one here with carbon bicycle has no risk, being paid by French government whatever he works or not. If I don't work, I don't have money to eat, of course I could also wait to be paid by French government, but I would lose too much money. Let me know if you want we try a climbing together. I should start on end of June when tops are open, until end of October, beginning of November, depending on snow falls. I loved so much my last kilometer on snow to Agnel 2744 on end of last October.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2544274]Waiting, nobody knows today the efficiency of the vaccines and the possible side effects. You seem to believe that vaccines are the only solution may be may be not, let us be a little bit modest, we have to wait how the things will evaluate in Israel in the coming months, it is too early.[/QUOTE]Are vaccines the only solution? Not theoretically. But humans have demonstrated that we have internal factions that self-sabotage the species. We can't even be bothered to wear a thin mask to protect others from our respiratory droplets. Sabotaged by politics, misinformation, uneducated superstition, conspiracy theories, and lack of discipline, we failed to execute the less invasive route: a thin, simple little face diaper with some crowd control. So here we are, one year later and the virus still has a strong hold in Europe and Latin America. Again, are vaccines the only solution? At this point, most likely, but they didn't have to be.
As for being modest or humble, you are right; no one can "know" until it's run it's course. But we can make [B]evidence-based[/B] decisions using the science we do know in combination with controlled observations such as clinical trials. The clinical trials were robust, involving as many participants as most other pharmaceuticals. Each participant was followed for the same amount of time as any other pharmaceutical, we were just able to enroll all participants at one time rather than the staggered enrollment that would normally take years. Most medications ever approved have been done using months of clinical trial information rather than years.
Again, we cannot "know" everything, but can make decisions based on reason and solid data. As when you are driving, you cannot "know" that another car will stop at the stop sign and not crash into to you. But you can integrate your knowledge of laws and current data such as the acceleration / deceleration of the vehicle and determine if the situation is safe. You do this knowing that there is a chance you are wrong. Perhaps the other driver is drunk, texting, or just a psychopath. But based on your human ability to reason, you make the most well-informed decision you can.
The same applies here. We know that mRNA vaccines are just strings of relatively inert (genetic) nucleotides encased in a relatively inert lipid (fat) particle. Other components include various salts and sugars to promote mRNA stability. There are no metals such as aluminum or mercury to act as preservatives. There is not even a protein component which would normally be the most immunologically active macromolecule. Instead, the lipid protects the genetic strand while also facilitating mRNA entry into the cell. MRNA never even enters the nucleus, offering no way for it to directly alter your DNA. In fact, mRNA cannot alter DNA even if it did reach the nucleus of the cell.
Instead, the short mRNA sequence encodes a very specific part of a specific protein similar to a viral protein. And it must rely on your own cells' machinery to be read and for a protein to be constructed. There's a reason why Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines saw so few stumbling blocks compared to AZ and JnJ. It's beauty is in its simplicity.
So while you are right that we cannot "know" 100% until it is done. But those who are educated on the subject and who do not serve a bias agenda feel very comfortable with the evidence. There's a reason why even in the healthcare field there are people who may be timid with the vaccines. Those people are almost always moderately educated providers such as nurses or therapists. However, I hardly ever hear physicians, pharmacists, research clinicians, or other advance practice providers express troubling concern. When you understand the evidence, you are confident in your position.
Perhaps people here can try that. Instead of taking hard positions on topics in which you may only have a basic / rudimentary understanding, try actually learning the topic thoroughly in order to construct a well educated position for yourself. If not willing to do that, perhaps defer to the people who have done the hard work instead of making assertions based on incomplete or superficial comprehension of a subject matter. Worst are the ones who make absurd statements for political reasons or to only feed their twisted ego.
And nobody knows the long term consequences of the covid but from what I see, it doesn't look too good for a significant share of the infected.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2544360]Are vaccines the only solution? Not theoretically. But humans have demonstrated that we have internal factions that self-sabotage the species. We can't even be bothered to wear a thin mask to protect others from our respiratory droplets. Sabotaged by politics, misinformation, uneducated superstition, conspiracy theories, and lack of discipline, we failed to execute the less invasive route: a thin, simple little face diaper with some crowd control. So here we are, one year later and the virus still has a strong hold in Europe and Latin America. Again, are vaccines the only solution? At this point, most likely, but they didn't have to be.
As for being modest or humble, you are right; no one can "know" until it's run it's course. But we can make [B]evidence-based[/B] decisions using the science we do know in combination with controlled observations such as clinical trials. The clinical trials were robust, involving as many participants as most other pharmaceuticals. Each participant was followed for the same amount of time as any other pharmaceutical, we were just able to enroll all participants at one time rather than the staggered enrollment that would normally take years. Most medications ever approved have been done using months of clinical trial information rather than years.
Again, we cannot "know" everything, but can make decisions based on reason and solid data. As when you are driving, you cannot "know" that another car will stop at the stop sign and not crash into to you. But you can integrate your knowledge of laws and current data such as the acceleration / deceleration of the vehicle and determine if the situation is safe. You do this knowing that there is a chance you are wrong. Perhaps the other driver is drunk, texting, or just a psychopath. But based on your human ability to reason, you make the most well-informed decision you can.[/QUOTE]I remember a report few months ago in US, showing some crazy threatening those who asked to put on mask, crazy coughing on them. I didn't see same report about any other country, even UK kept on travelling on end of last year, beginning of this year, spreading their mutant which kill now continental Europe, when also lack of vaccine. Wish of course for enough vaccine to protect those who need or want, for a better, more free life, even vaccine won t cure falling economy. Not sure Germans are in hurry to see risky playfield brothels reopening, attracting guys from all over the world, bringing their diseases, and husbands bringing back at home to German families, when brothels are not much for money and employment for Germans and economy, but rather foreigners working with most money leaving Germany, but can be big risk for Germany safety, when in trouble now since months.
Norwegian, swizz and some German doctors disagree with the comfortable notion put forth by the Astra Zeneca and other vaccine companies. And some goes as far as to indicate that lobbying and malinformation from the vaccine companies are very harmful. Even the US center for disease control now wants to make their own studies because they do not trust fully in the vaccine companies.
In other words, don't be a sheep. Your idea that education itself makes you a free thinking human being wrong. It makes you into a little puppy, with an apple strapped into your mouth, tied up handcuffed by a gay middle aged male fat guy holding a whip.
By the way, they also have 100% free universal health care. So income has zip zero to with it. That is just one more American urban myth. Which so-called 'educated' health care wannabies still believe in.
The article I posted regarding leader-subordinate trust goes to show that sheep slave piggies will never gets to run anything. Because their sheep mindset does not impose trust from a leaders point of view.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2544623]Norwegian, swizz and some German doctors disagree with the comfortable notion put forth by the Astra Zeneca and other vaccine companies. And some goes as far as to indicate that lobbying and malinformation from the vaccine companies are very harmful. Even the US center for disease control now wants to make their own studies because they do not trust fully in the vaccine companies.
In other words, don't be a sheep. Your idea that education itself makes you a free thinking human being wrong. It makes you into a little puppy, with an apple strapped into your mouth, tied up handcuffed by a gay middle aged male fat guy holding a whip.[/QUOTE]Yes, many French and German medicals don't trust AZ, Yes big business for pharma, but when Western EU is really bad under UK mutant with peak on March / April, really need to protect our citizens, when too many deaths, too many unemployment, with many who just would like to work but not allowed, even French government pay 84% for average salary, but less when you make more money. Spain which can't afford anymore about their economy, take risk to live with virus, let's see for result, even heat there should help them, I wish them.
Well, a virus mutates every single time it copies itself. The thing with this UK version is that there were several mutations all at once. Same thing in SA and Manaus versions. All cocked up in gain-of-function labs. As these large scale perfect placement hikes in mutations only corresponds with petri dish involvements. And that was needed since the first Wuhan version was too weak in spreading.
The thing these vaccines do are essentially the same thing the MMR vaccines have done since the 1960's when the secret world order started plotting on massive population reduction.
Just like with the MMR vaccine, this new covid vaccine creates T-cells that attaches to our white blood cells, forming blood clots. So just beyond the clots, small and large, our immune system then becomes out of function for a stretch. Making us susceptible to all sorts of diseases, and letting us suffer from all the viruses we already have in our bodies. All linked to the blood clotting.
The MMR vaccines worked fine (if you are a satanist). It messed up much of the population. But now this new covid vaccine. Especially the AZ version, (And I suspect the J&J won't be any better) will take it one step further. This is what we mean by auto-immune diseases. It is basically linked to our own immune system fucking up our white blood cells. Through vaccine programmed T-cells aimed at our own white blood cells. White blood cells are in turn key to stopping any infections we get. So like I already wrote here before, these vaccines are aimed at reducing our immune system. And our so called 'medical professionals' here are either lying sons of batches, or clueless kindergardeners.
Jolly fun in the times of 5 G radiation, large radiating tv, tablet and computer monitors, and 300+ toxins cooking up our every day lives through food, air, water and stuff we buy. In other words, days when a good immune system might just come in handy. Ever had a rash? Well, there will be lots more in the comming years after these vaccines starts rolling, due to veins in the skin being some of the thinnest we have, and our skin being a first defence especially against different radiation and air poisonings. And most effects will come some time afterwards, and perhaps not with the initial vaccine reaction. But maybe up to 10 years later since that is how long it takes for diseases to completely take over. And these vaccines are for all intents and purposes nothing but a programmed disease.
These T-cells works much like AIDS (human immunodeficiency virus): another virus cocked up in a lab back in the 1960's. So the incubation time can be as long as 15 years:
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dsepd/ss1978/lesson1/section9.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2544587]I remember a report few months ago in US, showing some crazy threatening those who asked to put on mask, crazy coughing on them. I didn't see same report about any other country, even UK kept on travelling on end of last year, beginning of this year, spreading their mutant which kill now continental Europe, when also lack of vaccine. Wish of course for enough vaccine to protect those who need or want, for a better, more free life, even vaccine won t cure falling economy. Not sure Germans are in hurry to see risky playfield brothels reopening, attracting guys from all over the world, bringing their diseases, and husbands bringing back at home to German families, when brothels are not much for money and employment for Germans and economy, but rather foreigners working with most money leaving Germany, but can be big risk for Germany safety, when in trouble now since months.[/QUOTE]I have no idea how this reply has anything to do with a post that expounds the confidence of evidence, evidence-based decision making, and the molecular inner-workings of *mRNA* vaccines while also heavily criticizing the influence of saboteurs who would rather see the world burn than see the better players of the game be happy.
But you probably incorrectly thought that this post had anything to do with your views. No, not when that person's science knowledge is based on findings from the 1980's, back when learning the periodic table was the ultimate crowning achievement in science education.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2544819]I have no idea how this reply has anything to do with a post that expounds the confidence of evidence, evidence-based decision making, and the molecular inner-workings of *mRNA* vaccines while also heavily criticizing the influence of saboteurs who would rather see the world burn than see the better players of the game be happy.[/QUOTE]These stream of consciousness posts jumping through 6 different themes in one long winded sentence without using any punctuation whatsoever are amazing. Maybe they are subtle nods to Ulysses by James Joyce and I am not intellectually sophisticated enough to appreciate them.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2544819]I have no idea how this reply has anything to do with a post that expounds the confidence of evidence, evidence-based decision making, and the molecular inner-workings of *mRNA* vaccines while also heavily criticizing the influence of saboteurs who would rather see the world burn than see the better players of the game be happy.
But you probably incorrectly thought that this post had anything to do with your views. No, not when that person's science knowledge is based on findings from the 1980's, back when learning the periodic table was the ultimate crowning achievement in science education.[/QUOTE]About your writing about people behavior. I hate mask, difficult to breathe with for me when I'm used to walk fast, but I put on for respect for others, even I'm so happy when I can put off. I agree with you, when already too many deaths and economic problems, I wish all those who need and want to get vaccine will be soon to be safe and when EU exported 21 millions vaccine they produced to UK, but UK sent back 0, same for US also sending 0, I wish EU will stop to be naive and keep our production to protect our citizens first, as do US, UK and India, even I won't run for vaccine, I would prefer not, but everybody know I'm not a good example to follow, same like in brothels, but I don t plan to change even no Qanon for me. When no French vaccine yet for covid, but France is starting to test for vaccine for HIV. Wish will work, for HIV women who want a baby, even sometimes baby doesn't get.
On the contrary, I try to save the world through transparent information. Most of the bad things and wrong decisions we see in this world is due to misinformation and secrecy. Basically people not understanding the values of trust. For one, I support the Open Society movements fight in order to open up all studies to the public, and remove the doors hiding important data from the public. But the wannabe medical mafia wants it otherwise, thus acting as a force in order to suppress trust. And without trust, truth has zero meaning. Underestimating other people's cognitive abilities is tightly linked to all of this. And narcissism through simple educations are nothing but a worsening sin. As illustrated in the Erasmus Montanus play.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2544985]About your writing about people behavior. I hate mask, difficult to breathe with for me when I'm used to walk fast, but I put on for respect for others, even I'm so happy when I can put off. I agree with you, when already too many deaths and economic problems, I wish all those who need and want to get vaccine will be soon to be safe and when EU exported 21 millions vaccine they produced to UK, but UK sent back 0, same for US also sending 0, I wish EU will stop to be naive and keep our production to protect our citizens first, as do US, UK and India, even I won't run for vaccine, I would prefer not, but everybody know I'm not a good example to follow, same like in brothels, but I don t plan to change even no Qanon for me. When no French vaccine yet for covid, but France is starting to test for vaccine for HIV. Wish will work, for HIV women who want a baby, even sometimes baby doesn't get.[/QUOTE]I commend your mindset of prioritizing respect for others. Enduring a minor inconvenience due to a respect for another human should be praised. Despite various disagreements, outside of your personal stories, your writings do not have the intent of pushing false narratives or agendas. Even when I disagree with one of your positions on a subject matter, I cannot recall you ever spewing fringe, illogical pseudoscience as fact. In this current time, not being an agent of misinformation is becoming an increasingly more rare virtue. While having called you out for statements of self-grandeur, at least that narcissism does not extend as far as in the people who believe that they know more than others with a decade of formal training and nearly another decade of real world practice. I've seen others make ridiculous assertions that can be molecularly and empirically proven false even by a high school biology student.
Again, respect for not being a part of that pitiful crowd.
That being said, perhaps the next step is considering whether your words and thoughts reflect elements of xenophobia or cultural elitism. Statements such as not worrying about club bosses because they are foreigners reflect a sentiment in which a person's nationality or even ethnicity determines whether their well-being is worthy of consideration. If it was about foreigners in your own country, perhaps that may even be perceived as looking out for the good of your fellow countrymen. But your sentiments are extended beyond your own national borders and toward Germany. That suggests that your sentiments reflect a hierarchal stratification of consideration for humans that are not ethnic northern / western European.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2544435]Let's see for brothels future. I don't worry for brothels bosses, most of staff are foreigners, I don't worry much for WGs, their peste BF have to try to drive 500000 kms with Mercedes, like I do, even not Mercedes. I worry much more for normal people who can't work, when many are not allowed to work in France and I'm sad for them, much more than about brothels and prostitutes.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pistons;2545041]On the contrary, I try to save the world through transparent information. Most of the bad things and wrong decisions we see in this world is due to misinformation and secrecy. Basically people not understanding the values of trust. For one, I support the Open Society movements fight in order to open up all studies to the public, and remove the doors hiding important data from the public. But the wannabe medical mafia wants it otherwise, thus acting as a force in order to suppress trust. And without trust, truth has zero meaning. Underestimating other people's cognitive abilities is tightly linked to all of this. And narcissism through simple educations are nothing but a worsening sin. As illustrated in the Erasmus Montanus play.[/QUOTE]Too late, ClinicalTrials. Gov is already accessible to anyone, in the same way as CMS. Gov and all the EU and Horizon funded research is accessible to anyone.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2545250]Too late, ClinicalTrials. Gov is already accessible to anyone, in the same way as CMS. Gov and all the EU and Horizon funded research is accessible to anyone.[/QUOTE]He's made this asinine point before. He actually means to accuse the medical world of hiding medical information from the public. He does it in used the manner way he used it before, to justify his ignorance on subject matters. But let's be honest, he doesn't even understand concepts learned in basic biology textbooks. Look at all the erroneous "facts" be makes when speaking about basic physiology learned by first year medical education. He doesn't understand that T cells are white blood cells themselves and that blood clots don't arise from binding of WBCs. When someone doesn't understand basic concepts, of course what do you think happens when they "read" research primary sources? Do you think he even knows what p-values, z-scores, CI, etc means? Of course not.
When he quotes some source, he extracts the least important points and draws the wrong conclusion. And that's because these types of people are not the type to invest in the hard work that requires learning concepts that build on top of each other. It's part of his entitlement mindset and upbringing. Arrogant yet too lazy to put in the hard work to back it up. They're the same types all over the western world sharing the same characteristics: Unskilled and lazy, yet somehow arrogant in their ignorance. Too many participation trophies give them a false sense of confidence. I bet he has zero first place trophies from childhood.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2545114]I commend your mindset of prioritizing respect for others. Enduring a minor inconvenience due to a respect for another human should be praised. Despite various disagreements, outside of your personal stories, your writings do not have the intent of pushing false narratives or agendas. Even when I disagree with one of your positions on a subject matter, I cannot recall you ever spewing fringe, illogical pseudoscience as fact. In this current time, not being an agent of misinformation is becoming an increasingly more rare virtue. While having called you out for statements of self-grandeur, at least that narcissism does not extend as far as in the people who believe that they know more than others with a decade of formal training and nearly another decade of real world practice. I've seen others make ridiculous assertions that can be molecularly and empirically proven false even by a high school biology student.
Again, respect for not being a part of that pitiful crowd..[/QUOTE]This forum is good example for other opinions, for so many bullshits from jealous guys, good exercise to be open mind, tolerant, even when you disagree. As say girls: we are all different. When you don't know who I am, even we met and chat, but only 1 knew me, I need foreigners for my job and since 17 March 2020, I protect them for work safety conditions, making my job much more complicated than before, needing now to check safety daily on field, being responsible in front of administration and could even be about justice if one gets very sick from job. I take risks to avoid for them. But I won't care for GT / LR German boss, nor Hells at World, Mainhattan, Finca and part for Sharks, nor Ingo with Ferrari at Globe, but I'm very sad for so many people who can t work since so long and I worry for them, finding really unfair when so many just ask to be allowed to work, being in such difficult situation. In Germany, most of prostitution actors: brothels boss and staff, WGs, send money out of Germany, a lot for peste pimps. Only Mercedes, BM and Audi can care about less money in this business. I'm only interested to improve my own Audi and I search and work for, same like with girls, real enjoyable pleasure is to find a beauty and to make her following and improving for you, I love this, I go for this, even I manage easy without since December, I just want to ski, maybe on Summer ski, free riding on Klein Matterhorn. Ch from Breuil Cervinia in my Italian friends country where I feel relax and safe.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2544779]These T-cells works much like AIDS (human immunodeficiency virus): another virus cocked up in a lab back in the 1960's. So the incubation time can be as long as 15 years:
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dsepd/ss1978/lesson1/section9.html[/URL][/QUOTE]You're totally right, here is what happens when you let greedy companies breed virus:
[URL]https://youtu.be/8cJTnz0PGyQ[/URL]
Nemesis!
I come back here after months, and see all these very complicated discussions. Can someone please dumb it down for me? How is the lockdown working for Europe (or anywhere for that matter)? Is it reducing death rates and case rates months over months (or even year over year)? If yes, great. Let's keep everything including FKKs closed forever. If not, please can everything including FKKs be back open normal. Like they did in Florida and Texas in USA? I know many of you will try to respond with too much technical / clinical / biological "scientific" details, that's all good, but let's get back to basics. If something is working at the summary level, keep doing it. If something is not working at the summary level after a year of trying, scarp that strategy, right?
[QUOTE=Gino02;2545411]I come back here after months, and see all these very complicated discussions. Can someone please dumb it down for me? How is the lockdown working for Europe (or anywhere for that matter)? Is it reducing death rates and case rates months over months (or even year over year)? If yes, great. Let's keep everything including FKKs closed forever. If not, please can everything including FKKs be back open normal. Like they did in Florida and Texas in USA? I know many of you will try to respond with too much technical / clinical / biological "scientific" details, that's all good, but let's get back to basics. If something is working at the summary level, keep doing it. If something is not working at the summary level after a year of trying, scarp that strategy, right?[/QUOTE]Summary:
Fully open doesn't work. See Brazil and Mexico.
Leaning on open with some restrictions. Doesn't work. See Sweden and large parts of the USA.
Leaning on closed but with a non-compliant population, doesn't work. See most of Europe and some parts of the USA.
Very restricted island (Figuratively and geographically). Sucks. No one wants it. Has very obvious negatives. Is the only strategy that has proven to suppress covid cases. See New Zealand, Iceland, Vietnam, Thailand, Ireland, UK after holiday lockdown.
There's your answer. But are you willing to accept it?
When Germany should reach 80 000 deaths under UK mutant, even closing their borders inside EU and when under strict lockdown with schools being closed, since Christmas and at least until 18 April and pretty sure for longer, when elections to come after Summer and safety should be a important point, when naive EU sent 21 millions vaccine to UK so UK can vaccine with our vaccine, when we wait to receive from them, but 0 received, so we can t vaccine and many in Germany, France, Belgium die. For German brothels, say thank You to Chinese lies, and Boris Johnson who behave same like Trump. Belgium also closing inside EU borders. Brothels should wait a bit, even heat which should arrive, should help for less deaths, when peak for cases on March / April and UK mutant kill more, as told UK, but spread after brexit gift.
Over 95% of people aged 60+ have had a first dose of Covid vaccine in England. That is simply stunning. Uptake way beyond expectations.
The daily totals for the whole of the UK on Sunday 28th March were: new infections 3,862 & deaths totaled 19.
Figures up to Saturday 27th March were: First dose of vaccine: 30,151,287 people. Second dose of vaccine: 3,527,481 people.
AstraZeneca recent results for its US Covid vaccine trials:
Vaccine efficacy 76% against symptomatic infection Among over 65's efficacy 85%.
Efficacy against severe disease 100%.
The statistics above clearly show that vaccination is the way to go to get out of this horrible mess the whole world is in.
The UK from today has eased lockdown restrictions and in two weeks bars, restaurants can open outside with Gyms, barbers, non essential shops all allowed to open.
I read with distress how depressingly slow and uncoordinated the vaccine roll out has been in Germany especially when it's always considered in the UK that German society is better organised than us.
Come on Germany get it sorted, I need to return to your clubs!
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2545317]He doesn't understand that T cells are white blood cells themselves and that blood clots don't arise from binding of WBCs.[/QUOTE]I met they link up with the blood platelets:
[URL]https://ashpublications.org/blood/article/132/Supplement%201/738/266038/Risk-of-Vaccine-Induced-Immune-Thrombocytopenia-in[/URL]
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3899154/[/URL]
Are you going to argue against this also? The end result of my claim is exactly the same. Just one error in wording.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2545250]Too late, ClinicalTrials. Gov is already accessible to anyone, in the same way as CMS. Gov and all the EU and Horizon funded research is accessible to anyone.[/QUOTE]It is more so about not faking data than it is about publishing the fake data.
A healthy new beginning would at least be to unemployed all the wannabe doctors and nurses out there. And re-educate them in communication science and IT for 7 years. And then have them start learning GAN networks and IT programming skills.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2545574] And then have them start learning GAN networks and IT programming skills.[/QUOTE]Given your total lack of logic, I don't think you're very good at programming.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2545443]Summary:
Fully open doesn't work. See Brazil and Mexico.
Leaning on open with some restrictions. Doesn't work. See Sweden and large parts of the USA.
Leaning on closed but with a non-compliant population, doesn't work. See most of Europe and some parts of the USA.
Very restricted island (Figuratively and geographically). Sucks. No one wants it. Has very obvious negatives. Is the only strategy that has proven to suppress covid cases. See New Zealand, Iceland, Vietnam, Thailand, Ireland, UK after holiday lockdown.
There's your answer. But are you willing to accept it?[/QUOTE]So, fully open and barely open has almost the same results of death rates from this virus?
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2545317]He's made this asinine point before. He actually means to accuse the medical world of hiding medical information from the public. He does it in used the manner way he used it before, to justify his ignorance on subject matters. [/QUOTE]Because it already happened!
And you know the outcome?
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQGu_Bg7H9U[/URL]
Raccoon city is nuked!
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2545521]When Germany should reach 80 000 deaths under UK mutant, even closing their borders inside EU and when under strict lockdown with schools being closed, since Christmas and at least until 18 April and pretty sure for longer, when elections to come after Summer and safety should be a important point, when naive EU sent 21 millions vaccine to UK so UK can vaccine with our vaccine, when we wait to receive from them, but 0 received, so we can t vaccine and many in Germany, France, Belgium die. For German brothels, say thank You to Chinese lies, and Boris Johnson who behave same like Trump. Belgium also closing inside EU borders. Brothels should wait a bit, even heat which should arrive, should help for less deaths, when peak for cases on March / April and UK mutant kill more, as told UK, but spread after brexit gift.[/QUOTE]Biden is just as bad as Trump. He gave a few million doses to Mexico and Canada, big whoopee doo. But most Americans will look the other way when it comes to Europa's problems. Difficult to feel sorry for EU when EU is willing to send their vaxx's to the 3rd world before taking care of their own peeps at home. Yeah, I understand the "stop the worldwide mutations" argument. But really folks, it's like being on an airplane. The adult puts his oxygen mask on first, then he takes care of the children, in that order. Same thing.
[QUOTE=Clodius1;2545723]Biden is just as bad as Trump. He gave a few million doses to Mexico and Canada, big whoopee doo. But most Americans will look the other way when it comes to Europa's problems. Difficult to feel sorry for EU when EU is willing to send their vaxx's to the 3rd world before taking care of their own peeps at home. Yeah, I understand the "stop the worldwide mutations" argument. But really folks, it's like being on an airplane. The adult puts his oxygen mask on first, then he takes care of the children, in that order. Same thing.[/QUOTE]Again you are just thinking that the vaccine is the only solution, and if the vaccine will create a lot of side effects or if they are not efficient against the different variants. Try to think out of the frame, may be we are jsut at the beginning of the pandemy and the worst is coming, may be I am wrong, what is sure nobody is able to predict the future of this covid 19 pandemy.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2545564]It is more so about not faking data than it is about publishing the fake data.[/QUOTE]For that we have peer-review journals, regulatory national / international agencies and post-approval surveillance systems. Sorry mate, not a new idea!
Maybe BigB was right after all, and that I, Pistons should be head of center for disease control. In any country for that matter.
[URL]https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/astrazeneca-under-55-1.5968128[/URL]
[QUOTE=Canary;2545526]Over 95% of people aged 60+ have had a first dose of Covid vaccine in England. That is simply stunning. Uptake way beyond expectations.
The daily totals for the whole of the UK on Sunday 28th March were: new infections 3,862 & deaths totaled 19.
Figures up to Saturday 27th March were: First dose of vaccine: 30,151,287 people. Second dose of vaccine: 3,527,481 people.
AstraZeneca recent results for its US Covid vaccine trials:
Vaccine efficacy 76% against symptomatic infection Among over 65's efficacy 85%.
Efficacy against severe disease 100%.
The statistics above clearly show that vaccination is the way to go to get out of this horrible mess the whole world is in.
The UK from today has eased lockdown restrictions and in two weeks bars, restaurants can open outside with Gyms, barbers, non essential shops all allowed to open.
I read with distress how depressingly slow and uncoordinated the vaccine roll out has been in Germany especially when it's always considered in the UK that German society is better organised than us.
Come on Germany get it sorted, I need to return to your clubs![/QUOTE]UK vaccine with vaccine received from EU who don't keep vaccine for their citizens, so, no FKK for a while longer, when Johnson will only arrive on 19 April at best. UK mutant is killing continental Europe and FKK business.
They certainly do lie about the numbers though. 8% is the figure from the local hospital here. Not 1 in 125 000. LOL.
And it can return up to 15+ years later as well.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2545726]Again you are just thinking that the vaccine is the only solution, and if the vaccine will create a lot of side effects or if they are not efficient against the different variants. Try to think out of the frame, may be we are jsut at the beginning of the pandemy and the worst is coming, may be I am wrong, what is sure nobody is able to predict the future of this covid 19 pandemy.[/QUOTE]Agreed, the vaxx isn't a silver bullet. More like, it might help mitigate the severity of the virus every year, something akin to the -largely ineffectual- flu shot. Take your vitamins and get plenty of sleep boys and girls, this might be the new normal?
[QUOTE=Clodius1;2545788]Agreed, the vaxx isn't a silver bullet. More like, it might help mitigate the severity of the virus every year, something akin to the -largely ineffectual- flu shot. Take your vitamins and get plenty of sleep boys and girls, this might be the new normal?[/QUOTE]Wish will help for less deaths, like in UK now compare to out of control on Christmas. But bad is how they spread their mutant since Christmas and I can t understand how EU could protect more UK, sending 21 millions vaccine, than EU citizens, Boris Johnson really fucked EU which is down under UK mutant and with lack of vaccine they sent to UK. So I think FKK will have to wait, when Germans are waiting for more safety, despite strict lockdown since Christmas with schools closed.
[QUOTE=Clodius1;2545723]Biden is just as bad as Trump. He gave a few million doses to Mexico and Canada, big whoopee doo. But most Americans will look the other way when it comes to Europa's problems. [/QUOTE]So many things. Sigh.
1. Trump admin opted out of Covax, the organization of western nations pledging to donate funds for equal distribution of vaccines to developing nations. Biden admin has since pledged $4 billion, the largest donation pledge of any nation in the world.
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[URL][URL]https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/24244.jpeg[/URL][/URL].
2. Biden admin's "commitment of 2. 5 million vaccines to Mexico represents the largest single pledge of vaccine doses from one country to another so far in this crisis. Those doses are going to a neighbor in great need".
The 1.5 million to Canada ranks not far behind. Aiding our two only land border nations will be of obvious benefit.
[URL][URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/03/rich-countries-give-money-keep-vaccines-themselves/618437/[/URL][/URL].
[QUOTE=Clodius1;2545723]Difficult to feel sorry for EU when EU is willing to send their vaxx's to the 3rd world before taking care of their own peeps at home. Yeah, I understand the "stop the worldwide mutations" argument. But really folks, it's like being on an airplane. The adult puts his oxygen mask on first, then he takes care of the children, in that order. Same thing.[/QUOTE]3. The EU has secured 1. 8 billion doses compared to the US's 1.2 billion and UK's 400 m. Europe has secured plenty as the block has reserved enough to vaccinate everyone twice over.
Vaccines doses secured by population (doses per person):
UK (6).
EU (4).
USA: (3.6).
[URL][URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/contracts-purchasing-agreements.html[/URL][/URL].
4. Due to the recent surge, the EU is keeping most of the doses for now.
[URL][URL]https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-eu-not-ready-to-share-covid-vaccines-with-poorer-countries/a-56944274[/URL][/URL].
EU nations cannot blame poor vaccination rates on lack of supply or giving it away. Most doses given away are by France and Portugal are only 5% of doses each.
*Side note: Beloved Romania pledged 200 K doses to Moldova.
EU's problems with vaccination rollouts is obviously not giving away vaccines. Perhaps them taking an extra month to approve the vaccinations was the problem.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2545742]Maybe BigB was right after all, and that I, Pistons should be head of center for disease control. In any country for that matter.
[URL]https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/astrazeneca-under-55-1.5968128[/URL][/QUOTE]I never imagined so many epidemiologist and virology experts were frequent flyers with prostitutes, I mean really women who please us because we are expert lovers.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2545703]So, fully open and barely open has almost the same results of death rates from this virus?[/QUOTE]I dunno man. None of it's all that good. What fully open nations are there? Brazil and Mexico? They're both doing significantly worse than most locked down nations, even their continental neighbors. None of South America is fully locked down yet Brazil is 15-20% worse. Same with MEX to North America. If comparing them to mostly closed European nations, even worse. To barely open East Asia and Australia, forget about it.
[URL] https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..433&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=BRA~MEX~Europe~AUS~Asia~Africa~North+America~South+America[/URL]
The cities of Berlin and Munich, as well as the federal state of Brandenburg have halted the AstraZeneca 'vaccine' to people under 60:
[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-halts-astrazeneca-vaccines-for-under-60s/a-57049301[/URL]
In the meantime, South Africa has already thrown in the towel more than one month ago because AZ is pretty much useless against the local mutation:
[URL]https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/02/south-africa-suspends-use-astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine-after-it-fails-clearly-stop[/URL]
Lockdowns = 'vaccinations' = = Covid Passports = mutations = more lockdowns = new updated vaccinations = = Covid Passports = stronger more dangerous mutations = more lockdowns.
We're on a road to nowhere folks! Anyone taking any experimental vaccine and hoping for a Covid Passport + a reopening of FKK clubs in 2021 is a fool!
It's lockdowns and face diapers forever, until people realise the inevitable; herd immunity and our natural immune system are the only way forward. Lock up the old and the vulnerable, and let the healthy people live in order to get herd immunity!
It will be a bitter pill to swallow, but it's better than endless lockdowns and an endless stream of barely tested vaccines in your body leading to millions of more deaths due to stronger mutations and vaccine side-effects into the future.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2545879]So many things. Sigh.
1. Trump admin opted out of Covax, the organization of western nations pledging to donate funds for equal distribution of vaccines to developing nations. Biden admin has since pledged $4 billion, the largest donation pledge of any nation in the world.
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[URL]https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/24244.jpeg[/URL]
2. Biden admin's "commitment of 2. 5 million vaccines to Mexico represents the largest single pledge of vaccine doses from one country to another so far in this crisis. Those doses are going to a neighbor in great need".
The 1.5 million to Canada ranks not far behind. Aiding our two only land border nations will be of obvious benefit..[/QUOTE]Fixed the links.
[QUOTE=Chongmal;2545885]I never imagined so many epidemiologist and virology experts were frequent flyers with prostitutes, I mean really women who please us because we are expert lovers.[/QUOTE]Don't you know, reading basement dweller sub-forums while working a meaningless desk job rendering any graduate education useless makes one an expert in all subject matters. Learning from those who came before you and honing skills through real world experience has no place here. Some people believe themselves to be exceptional but in reality just exist as unskilled slaves who make other men richer.
To all the brainwashed pro-vaxxers in here:
[URL]https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/VqvoVd/reagerte-paa-vaksineuttalelser-jeg-skjoenner-ikke-at-de-toer[/URL]
This article shows quite clearly how you can never trust a vaccine company. Ever.
I personally met one of the bosses from J&J a few years ago and he told me straight up that there were tens of thousands of dangerous side effects from their vaccines every single year. They knew about it, but didn't act on nor mentioned it publically. And if they had been held responsible for it, according to him they would have shut down every single one of their vaccine programs.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2545879]So many things. Sigh.
1. Trump admin opted out of Covax, the organization of western nations pledging to donate funds for equal distribution of vaccines to developing nations. Biden admin has since pledged $4 billion, the largest donation pledge of any nation in the world.
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[URL][URL]https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/24244.jpeg[/URL][/URL].
2. Biden admin's "commitment of 2. 5 million vaccines to Mexico represents the largest single pledge of vaccine doses from one country to another so far in this crisis. Those doses are going to a neighbor in great need".
The 1.5 million to Canada ranks not far behind. Aiding our two only land border nations will be of obvious benefit.
[URL][URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/03/rich-countries-give-money-keep-vaccines-themselves/618437/[/URL][/URL]..[/QUOTE]EU preferred to send 21 millions vaccine to UK rather than keeping for our citizens, should have been 3 millions for France, when UK just sent us their more killer mutant, not helping for FKK to reopen soon.
[QUOTE=Chongmal;2545885]I never imagined so many epidemiologist and virology experts were frequent flyers with prostitutes, I mean really women who please us because we are expert lovers.[/QUOTE]Another worthless and argumentative post from you. You should try to stop acting as a troll.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2545879]So many things. Sigh.
1. Trump admin opted out of Covax, the organization of western nations pledging to donate funds for equal distribution of vaccines to developing nations. Biden admin has since pledged $4 billion, the largest donation pledge of any nation in the world.
Attached image.
[URL][URL]https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/24244.jpeg[/URL][/URL].
2. Biden admin's "commitment of 2. 5 million vaccines to Mexico represents the largest single pledge of vaccine doses from one country to another so far in this crisis. Those doses are going to a neighbor in great need".
The 1.5 million to Canada ranks not far behind. Aiding our two only land border nations will be of obvious benefit..[/QUOTE]Lmfao, stop with the disinformation propaganda.
[URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/03/11/us/politics/coronavirus-astrazeneca-united-states.amp.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2546010]
It's lockdowns and face diapers forever, until people realise the inevitable; herd immunity and our natural immune system are the only way forward. Lock up the old and the vulnerable, and let the healthy people live in order to get herd immunity!
It will be a bitter pill to swallow, but it's better than endless lockdowns and an endless stream of barely tested vaccines in your body leading to millions of more deaths due to stronger mutations and vaccine side-effects into the future.[/QUOTE]Brazil and Mexico have basically been completely open for a year. Still no herd immunity. Meanwhile more variants. Now we keep grandma locked away even longer. Rinse, repeat.
We'll just eventually become a society that ship people to an outcast island on their 65th birthdays.
Just wait until covid gains a penile-rectal route of transmission. We would have to put you in the vulnerable group and send you off to the island too. Anal COVID island!
That was your plan all along wasn't it? Trick the world into creating your all dude, all nude, butt-fuck island! Conspiracy!
I personally met one of the bosses at Pfizer and he openly told me all of his company's deepest, darkest secrets. Donald Trump let me into Area 51 and the Queen of England slurped down on my Crown Jewels. It was a hell of a night.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2546010]Lockdowns = 'vaccinations' = = Covid Passports = mutations = more lockdowns = new updated vaccinations = = Covid Passports = stronger more dangerous mutations = more lockdowns.[/QUOTE]If there were logic classes where you studied, you were definitely not paying attention.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2546041]I personally met one of the bosses from J&J a few years ago and he told me straight up that there were tens of thousands of dangerous side effects from their vaccines every single year. They knew about it, but didn't act on nor mentioned it publically. And if they had been held responsible for it, according to him they would have shut down every single one of their vaccine programs.[/QUOTE]Sure, very believable what you post here.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2546041]I personally met one of the bosses from J&J a few years ago and he told me straight up that there were tens of thousands of dangerous side effects from their vaccines every single year. They knew about it, but didn't act on nor mentioned it publically. And if they had been held responsible for it, according to him they would have shut down every single one of their vaccine programs.[/QUOTE]Moderna boss is French, AZ boss has very French name. Never met them when I always tried to run away from medicines, same for Viagra. AZ is limited to between 55 and 75 in France, when I thought it was not even tested for older than 65.21 millions EU vaccine seem to work quite well in UK returning from out of control 3 months ago, and now 40 times less deaths. Bad EU didn't keep vaccine they produced, like UK or US do, and would have also been much better UK keep their mutant for them rather than travelling spreading. Would have been much better for FKK reopening, even I think not best point to be elected for after beloved for 16 years Angela who fell in 2 landers on last months.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2546037]To all the brainwashed pro-vaxxers in here:
[URL]https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/VqvoVd/reagerte-paa-vaksineuttalelser-jeg-skjoenner-ikke-at-de-toer[/URL]
This article shows quite clearly how you can never trust a vaccine company. Ever.[/QUOTE]This video proves it even more.
[URL]https://youtu.be/sWEvLBzMpYE[/URL]
Blood thirsty monsters!
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2546125] Donald Trump let me into Area 51 and the Queen of England slurped down on my Crown Jewels. It was a hell of a night.[/QUOTE]Gross! Are you sure it was not the other way, Don going down on you?
[QUOTE=Pistons;2546037]To all the brainwashed pro-vaxxers in here:
[URL]https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/VqvoVd/reagerte-paa-vaksineuttalelser-jeg-skjoenner-ikke-at-de-toer[/URL]
This article shows quite clearly how you can never trust a vaccine company. Ever.[/QUOTE]Let's be a little more serious.
Actually this article shows how you cannot trust a so called 'communication expert' because most of the time he doesn't have a clue of what he's talking about.
A little bit like you! Maybe you were in the same school?
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2546120]Another worthless and argumentative post from you. You should try to stop acting as a troll.[/QUOTE]Show me one post where you have posted something relevant to finding women in German Sauna Clubs for sex and I will show you a hundred where I posted at least 25 relevant facts in each post. Your continuous irrelevant posts along with others here, devalue the entire forum. If this is what the forum has digress to then keep it for yourself. You try to shout out everyone else with insults and aggression. We get it. You're superior, your smarter, your more successful, etc. You are the only one able to communicate on the same level with yourself so why don't you go and mentally master ate and save the 1's and 0's the pain of recording your dribbling conversation.
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/30/tilman-fertitta-surprised-by-strength-of-restaurants-casinos-in-march.html[/URL]
The J&J guy I met was regional head of sales. True story.
[QUOTE=Chongmal;2546219]Show me one post where you have posted something relevant to finding women in German Sauna Clubs for sex and I will show you a hundred where I posted at least 25 relevant facts in each post. Your continuous irrelevant posts along with others here, devalue the entire forum. If this is what the forum has digress to then keep it for yourself. You try to shout out everyone else with insults and aggression. We get it. You're superior, your smarter, your more successful, etc. You are the only one able to communicate on the same level with yourself so why don't you go and mentally master ate and save the 1's and 0's the pain of recording your dribbling conversation.[/QUOTE]LMFAO! Here you go at it again, way to prove me right about you being a worthless, antagonistic troll.
You post nothing but pure garbage and when I confront you with it you only get more aggressive and childish. You're an embarrassment to this forum.
When Chinese original mostly killed older than 75, UK mutant now kill some younger, in 40's or 50's.
[QUOTE=Chongmal;2546219]Show me one post where you have posted something relevant to finding women in German Sauna Clubs for sex and I will show you a hundred where I posted at least 25 relevant facts in each post. Your continuous irrelevant posts along with others here, devalue the entire forum. If this is what the forum has digress to then keep it for yourself. You try to shout out everyone else with insults and aggression. We get it. You're superior, your smarter, your more successful, etc. You are the only one able to communicate on the same level with yourself so why don't you go and mentally master ate and save the 1's and 0's the pain of recording your dribbling conversation.[/QUOTE]A couple of us have looked. Not one post that suggests that he has much experience in the hobby. Lots of posts suggesting that he shares similar traits to guys like the Atlanta Spa shooter though.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2546216]Let's be a little more serious.
Actually this article shows how you cannot trust a so called 'communication expert' because most of the time he doesn't have a clue of what he's talking about.
A little bit like you! Maybe you were in the same school?[/QUOTE]So saying in public that there is nothing to worry about is fine while at the same time saying behind closed doors that they are seriously worried is just ok with you?
I tell you one thing, and that is the world is in desperate need of honest communication experts. Because if one is an expert at communication, only one thing matters: truth.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2542974]I never wrote I m faster than Sagan, did I? Did you read it from me? [/QUOTE]Yes you did write that and here we go again just today.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2546446]Why I'm stronger than professional racers, they need doping, I only need my passion, they are paid, I do just for my pleasure, really moving my flesh inside me. Many not professional racers use doping, when I love mountains fresh water, I feel it cleans inside me, like Trump about covid. Froome was funny when climbing like a motorbike, turning so fast legs. When Toledo eagle, Federico Bahamontes, legendary climber who has his picture on km 4 in Zoncolan 1 hour driving from Wellcum, started, he stopped on top and waited for others, drinking wine which was doping in the past. Doping even came to change part of blood or with horse female plasma. Doping is quite cultural in Italy, Spain, Russia. Look forward starting my Summer, climbing col Iseran 2765 high to warm up, I like funny donkeys under the tunnel before Tignes waterfront.[/QUOTE]Well now you claim that you are stronger than professional racers in general, not Sagan specifically.
Oh yes, and "doping is quite cultural in Italy, Spain Russia" but obviously not in France. Virenque, Jalabert, Moreau, Jeannie Longo, Remy Di Gregorio, Lloyd Mondori. The list can go on.
They dope in all countries in most sports. In some countries it's organized at federation level, in some countries it's done individually. Some are better at it than others, they know the glow times and if they are to be tested then they take a whereabouts violation. No country is morally superior to others. Doping is done in professional and amateur sports alike, even just for bragging rights.
There is no real interest to catch major doping cases, because they then impact public interest, which then impacts the sport.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2546475]A couple of us have looked. Not one post that suggests that he has much experience in the hobby. Lots of posts suggesting that he shares similar traits to guys like the Atlanta Spa shooter though.[/QUOTE]At least it is better than reading about Chongmal's extreme anti-westerner attitudes.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2546475]A couple of us have looked. Not one post that suggests that he has much experience in the hobby. Lots of posts suggesting that he shares similar traits to guys like the Atlanta Spa shooter though.[/QUOTE]LOL, my own little personal stalker is at it again. It's because of guys like you that women needs to file for a restraining order. You are in serious need of some strong medication, you are a pathetic weirdo.
You must have made the mistake of looking at your own posting history, not a relevant post in sight.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2546505]Oh yes, and "doping is quite cultural in Italy, Spain Russia" but obviously not in France. Virenque, Jalabert, Moreau, Jeannie Longo, Remy Di Gregorio, Lloyd Mondori. The list can go on.
[/QUOTE]I will give you one thing though. After the Festina scandal, cycling in France got cleaner. Might have to do with the fact that people got suspended jail sentences, not just a temporary ban, but the real possibility to spend time in jail. With the current French law dopers can get one year in jail just for personal use, people who traffic doping products can get 5 years. That changes the risk reward balance a bit.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2546531]At least it is better than reading about Chongmal's extreme anti-westerner attitudes.[/QUOTE]Thank you! I take your comment as a great complement. I suppose it is far better than being called a White Supremacist.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2546570]LOL, my own little personal stalker is at it again. It's because of guys like you that women needs to file for a restraining order. You are in serious need of some strong medication, you are a pathetic weirdo.
You must have made the mistake of looking at your own posting history, not a relevant post in sight.[/QUOTE]I missed you too baby. Don't leave me again you naughty boy. Kisses.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2546492]So saying in public that there is nothing to worry about is fine while at the same time saying behind closed doors that they are seriously worried is just ok with you?
I tell you one thing, and that is the world is in desperate need of honest communication experts. Because if one is an expert at communication, only one thing matters: truth.[/QUOTE]What worries me is that the comm expert is saying things that are totally opposite to logic because:
1 - he's paid for that.
2 - he doesn't understand what he's talking about but that doesn't seem to bother him.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2546531]At least it is better than reading about Chongmal's extreme anti-westerner attitudes.[/QUOTE]When a guy can advice You for a new girl according to him, to a so bad guy like me, in his home club, and we repeated many times for 2 months even she was not new at all but woman type, when I m pretty sure he never tried and I would never advice any girl to many here who would not deserve for me.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2546505]Yes you did write that and here we go again just today.
Well now you claim that you are stronger than professional racers in general, not Sagan specifically.
Oh yes, and "doping is quite cultural in Italy, Spain Russia" but obviously not in France. Virenque, Jalabert, Moreau, Jeannie Longo, Remy Di Gregorio, Lloyd Mondori. The list can go on.
They dope in all countries in most sports. In some countries it's organized at federation level, in some countries it's done individually. Some are better at it than others, they know the glow times and if they are to be tested then they take a whereabouts violation. No country is morally superior to others. Doping is done in professional and amateur sports alike, even just for bragging rights.
There is no real interest to catch major doping cases, because they then impact public interest, which then impacts the sport.[/QUOTE]Mostly agree about doping, but not cultural but hidden in France or US, when was not even in Spain or Italy and what about Russia or China. But You don t seem to understand the real meaning of words, read again: passion versus a job.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2546458]When Chinese original mostly killed older than 75, UK mutant now kill some younger, in 40's or 50's.[/QUOTE]I think we need to be careful about saying from China, from UK. Maybe or may be not, during the last pandemy named Spain flue 100 hundred years ago some Spanish were killed because they were made responsible. Probably the mink are playing a strong rule, I think we have to let the scientists make their job and try to protect our self as much as possible.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2546570]LOL, my own little personal stalker is at it again. It's because of guys like you that women needs to file for a restraining order. You are in serious need of some strong medication, you are a pathetic weirdo.
You must have made the mistake of looking at your own posting history, not a relevant post in sight.[/QUOTE]Come on Shoo, one post where you talk about your experience in the club. Tell us a club you have been to. What did you like about it? What didn't you like about it? Was the lady working the door or the bar tender the hot one? It happens, the unobtainable is often times the most desirable. It's hard to imagine being in a club with over 30 women that you can have make your fantasies come true and you really want the one you can't have. What woman from any club would you recommend? Do you have contact information with any? How did you get to the clubs? How did you find ISG anyway and why are all your posts, from Columbia, General Forum, Germany. All seem to be on a rants or political views and are always insulting someone. Did you get kicked off Facebook and Twitter Shoo?
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2546635] But You don t seem to understand the real meaning of words, read again: passion versus a job.[/QUOTE]Nice try but I am not buying it. You said once that you are more fit and the second time that you are stronger than professional cyclists. So maybe it's you who don't understand the meaning of what you write.
I'll keep calling BS when I see it.
[QUOTE=Chongmal;2546576]Thank you! I take your comment as a great complement. I suppose it is far better than being called a White Supremacist.[/QUOTE]Lesser penis people will always hate.
And not all big disks are western. So no, I'm not a white supremacist. I also fuck Asian women. And probably I am dad to a few mixes around the world.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2546606]What worries me is that the comm expert is saying things that are totally opposite to logic because:
1 - he's paid for that.
2 - he doesn't understand what he's talking about but that doesn't seem to bother him.[/QUOTE]The communications expert claim is even more laughable if you have met him. It's reasonable to expect someone with an understanding of human communication to also have an understanding of the human condition. That person should probably have better than average insight into the way he is perceived. Or perhaps be able to succinctly and accurately convey his thoughts and opinions in order to convince a crowd. Perhaps this expert would be able to navigate the social dynamics of a conversation with multiple people. Instead, what I have seen in person was just another high school dork who lacks the ability to read a crowd. Like when, a few people are having a conversation about a topic and he just swoops in with some irrelevant topic that no one was talking about or was remotely interested. It's a demonstration of how a theoretical education can be wasted in a person who has no real world expertise due to lack of practical application. The sad part is that rather than addressing the social deficits, he doubles down with arrogance, adding to his personal set of off-putting character flaws.
[QUOTE=Chongmal;2546576]Thank you! I take your comment as a great complement. I suppose it is far better than being called a White Supremacist.[/QUOTE]I've noticed that the white supremacist types don't show much racism toward Asian types until the Asian type becomes a threat, unlike the overt racism more often displayed towards black and brown people. They love the quiet, polite, industrious image of Asians but get all uncomfortable when the Asian becomes a competitive threat. Been fighting it my whole life.
[QUOTE=Chongmal;2546682]Come on Shoo, one post where you talk about your experience in the club. Tell us a club you have been to. What did you like about it? What didn't you like about it? Was the lady working the door or the bar tender the hot one? It happens, the unobtainable is often times the most desirable. It's hard to imagine being in a club with over 30 women that you can have make your fantasies come true and you really want the one you can't have. What woman from any club would you recommend? Do you have contact information with any? How did you get to the clubs? How did you find ISG anyway and why are all your posts, from Columbia, General Forum, Germany. All seem to be on a rants or political views and are always insulting someone. Did you get kicked off Facebook and Twitter Shoo?[/QUOTE]Naaawww, you want me to spoon feed you information. I don't think so, it's not exactly hard to find what you're asking for. Consider it a test of your intelligence, so far you and Mursenary have failed the test miserably.
I've probably been mongering in more countries than you've even visited and all of my posts are clearly not "from Columbia, General Forum, Germany". You should try to get your facts straight, the simple fact that you wrote "Columbia" instead of Colombia didn't exactly strengthen your credibility.
It's truly fascinating that you keep picking on me while you've no problem when you and Mursenary are posting a ton of irrelevant and insulting posts. Some people would call you a hypocrite, and most people do not like hypocrites.
I didn't come here to discuss politics but I will continue until people like you learn to behave.
Anyways, you should apologize for your shameful behavior.
[QUOTE=Chongmal;2546576]Thank you! I take your comment as a great complement. I suppose it is far better than being called a White Supremacist.[/QUOTE]Who's a "White Supremacist"?
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2542590]For sure Peter Sagan is not as fit as me and not same dietetics also, he should stop to smoke or drink, and I'm sure he doesn't like climbing like me.
I never saw any carbon climbing without a guy sweating on and Sagan doesn't like this, he does only for green suit and money, when I enjoy my passion. He is a puncher, not a climber, too heavy, not fit enough.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2542684]Let's see, on one side, Peter Sagan, 31 years, professional cyclist for 10+ years, 3 times World Champion, 7 times winner green Jersey, 12 Tour de France stages, 1 Giro stage, 4 Vuelta stages, winner at Flanders and Roubaix, 1 time European champion, countless half classics.
On the other side, random guy on the internet, 50+, claiming he is fitter than Sagan.
[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Sirioja;2546446]Why I'm stronger than professional racers, they need doping, I only need my passion, they are paid, I do just for my pleasure, really moving my flesh inside me.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2546505]Yes you did write that and here we go again just today.
Well now you claim that you are stronger than professional racers in general, not Sagan specifically.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2546635]But You don t seem to understand the real meaning of words, read again: passion versus a job.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2546713]Nice try but I am not buying it. You said once that you are more fit and the second time that you are stronger than professional cyclists. So maybe it's you who don't understand the meaning of what you write.
I'll keep calling BS when I see it.[/QUOTE]Let the paper trail reveal the truth.
Regarding your last line, you have your work cut out for you on this forum. Many opportunities from multiple bullshit artists. At least he keeps his exaggerations mostly only about himself. Some unfound claims about mutations and tracking covid spread, but overall the bullshit is relatively contained to topics of self-grandeur.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2546735]Naaawww, you want me to spoon feed you information. I don't think so, it's not exactly hard to find what you're asking for. Consider it a test of your intelligence, so far you and Mursenary have failed the test miserably.
I've probably been mongering in more countries than you've even visited and all of my posts are clearly not "from Columbia, General Forum, Germany". You should try to get your facts straight, the simple fact that you wrote "Columbia" instead of Colombia didn't exactly strengthen your credibility.
It's truly fascinating that you keep picking on me while you've no problem when you and Mursenary are posting a ton of irrelevant and insulting posts. Some people would call you a hypocrite, and most people do not like hypocrites.
I didn't come here to discuss politics but I will continue until people like you learn to behave.
Anyways, you should apologize for your shameful behavior.[/QUOTE]"No I have never posted a review on this forum" would have been shorter, saving your time and ours. Kisses.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2546721]The communications expert claim is even more laughable if you have met him. It's reasonable to expect someone with an understanding of human communication to also have an understanding of the human condition. That person should probably have better than average insight into the way he is perceived. Or perhaps be able to succinctly and accurately convey his thoughts and opinions in order to convince a crowd. Perhaps this expert would be able to navigate the social dynamics of a conversation with multiple people. Instead, what I have seen in person was just another high school dork who lacks the ability to read a crowd. Like when, a few people are having a conversation about a topic and he just swoops in with some irrelevant topic that no one was talking about or was remotely interested. It's a demonstration of how a theoretical education can be wasted in a person who has no real world expertise due to lack of practical application. The sad part is that rather than addressing the social deficits, he doubles down with arrogance, adding to his personal set of off-putting character flaws.[/QUOTE]I just get annoyed by cringy obnoxious unintelligent conversations at kindergarten level.
Especially by pot smokers who look 20 years older than the claim to be.
I will take youthful looks any day instead being a 57 year old looking 37 year old wannabe doctor. A great was to show knowledge by action.
I suppose the idea is that the psychosis given from smoking pot should make one less cringy. Well, it fails hard! The other urban myth is that smoking pot increases the sexual pleasure. Well, hats of to experimenting, but one first needs to grow one.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2546644]I think we need to be careful about saying from China, from UK. Maybe or may be not, during the last pandemy named Spain flue 100 hundred years ago some Spanish were killed because they were made responsible. Probably the mink are playing a strong rule, I think we have to let the scientists make their job and try to protect our self as much as possible.[/QUOTE]Just stop embarrassing yourself.
This is how vaccine companies work:
[URL]https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18806-revealed-pfizers-payments-to-censured-doctors/[/URL]
Call it communication tactics and strategies. It makes them a lot of money. But it is unfortunately extremely immoral.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2546715]Lesser penis people will always hate.[/QUOTE]You really have a kink for men's dicks don't you?
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2546734]. They love the quiet, polite, industrious image of Asians [/QUOTE]Weired then how I've just been advocating for Asians to be less polite and industrious here on the forum for the past week or two.
Unless all I am doing is help.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2546713]Nice try but I am not buying it. You said once that you are more fit and the second time that you are stronger than professional cyclists. So maybe it's you who don't understand the meaning of what you write.
I'll keep calling BS when I see it.[/QUOTE]90% professional bicycle racers and Sagan need doping and find Zoncolan is very difficult and didn't want Giro of Italia had Zoncolan, but needed to compete with tour de France, when this is just a pleasure for me. I would drive whole night, 1300 kms from Paris to Ovaro, as I always told to one here, I would not go to Wellcum if I didn't go for Zoncolan, just to climb 10,5 kms with 2 kms steeper than 19% for average, for a beautiful day with stars in mind. When I go from Stelvio, driving 5 hours through Dolomiti, just for 10,5 kms of pleasure, feeling body and head burning inside, Italians tell me I m just crazy, Davide Formolo leader for Bora Hansgrohe for mountains, never climbed before Giro 2019, when he finished 5th on Giro, when I climb every Summer since 2015 . But, with alloy beloved technique bicycle, I m so less heavy than Sagan on a 20 000 € carbon light bicycle which will never climb without somebody turning legs, and need fast enough to put heart working fast enough, to prevent lactic acid. Only for pleasure for me, rather than sleeping on the beach, when I don't think many professionals have pleasure in Zoncolan, or Mortirolo, or Loze now. Don't you want we try Gran San Bernardino on August? Maybe your carbon light will follow me on its own. More beautiful from Aosta, but more difficult on Swiss side after tunnel to go through.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2546644]I think we need to be careful about saying from China, from UK. Maybe or may be not, during the last pandemy named Spain flue 100 hundred years ago some Spanish were killed because they were made responsible. Probably the mink are playing a strong rule, I think we have to let the scientists make their job and try to protect our self as much as possible.[/QUOTE]Didn't it start and hidden for months under lies in China? When now everybody in Western EU and even Poland know about damages and deaths from UK variant, when I think Western EU will be quite locked and even inside until at least mid May.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2546739]Who's a "White Supremacist"?[/QUOTE]I didn't say that anyone is a White Supremacist. I said that being classified as a person with an "Extreme anti-Western attitude" is better than being classified as a White Supremacist. If you feel defensive about that then it's possibly related to some subconscious guilt. Of course, your assumptions about race and occasionally using racial stereotypes may show your true feelings.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2546762]"No I have never posted a review on this forum" would have been shorter, saving your time and ours. Kisses.[/QUOTE]Lmfao, dude you at this moment got 809 out of 809 posts of irrelevant BS. You're a troll. As I wrote earlier I've mongered in more countries than you trolls have even visited.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2546794]You really have a kink for men's dicks don't you?[/QUOTE]Can you guess the reason he posted that? Hilarious because we both actually know Chongmai. But are you surprised after observing the OP's thought process? I used to pity him for being so ugly. That pity has turned into disgust as I've seen how ugly he is on the inside too.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2546821]Weired then how I've just been advocating for Asians to be less polite and industrious here on the forum for the past week or two.
Unless all I am doing is help.[/QUOTE]Nice, anonymously advocating for another race on a sex forum. Why do you feel that it is necessary to advocate for Asians and what makes you think a sex forum is the best place to do so. Why not stand up publicly and and advocate for change in your own culture to be more accepting of other races, cultures and religions. You could even create a political agenda, speak about the injustices perpetrated against Asians, Africans, Turks, Muslims, etc.
Sorry, I still haven't made it easy for you. Silly Rabit, Trix are for kids.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2546735]Naaawww, you want me to spoon feed you information. I don't think so, it's not exactly hard to find what you're asking for. Consider it a test of your intelligence, so far you and Mursenary have failed the test miserably.
I've probably been mongering in more countries than you've even visited and all of my posts are clearly not "from Columbia, General Forum, Germany". You should try to get your facts straight, the simple fact that you wrote "Columbia" instead of Colombia didn't exactly strengthen your credibility.
It's truly fascinating that you keep picking on me while you've no problem when you and Mursenary are posting a ton of irrelevant and insulting posts. Some people would call you a hypocrite, and most people do not like hypocrites.
I didn't come here to discuss politics but I will continue until people like you learn to behave.
Anyways, you should apologize for your shameful behavior.[/QUOTE]Nice, you're going to teach me something. Let's think, that is what that little blonde told me at the Reeperbahn, only she did teach me some things. Of course, that was most likely back before you were born, for sure before you became a full grown idiot that makes your mother proud. I'm sorry if I keep giving you the nagel in your face, but it seems you like it.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2546844]Lmfao, dude you at this moment got 809 out of 809 posts of irrelevant BS. You're a troll. As I wrote earlier I've mongered in more countries than you trolls have even visited.[/QUOTE]After mongering in so many places, can you confirm that Brazilian men have the smoothest buttholes? Or do you prefer being a "bottom"?
[QUOTE=Chongmal;2546865]Nice, you're going to teach me something. Let's think, that is what that little blonde told me at the Reeperbahn, only she did teach me some things. Of course, that was most likely back before you were born, for sure before you became a full grown idiot that makes your mother proud. I'm sorry if I keep giving you the nagel in your face, but it seems you like it.[/QUOTE]Naaww, is the little baby upset. You're obviously a demented old weirdo ready for his last rest.
This is why I have stopped posting trip reports on this site, there are simply too many mentally unstable trolls on here.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2546734]I've noticed that the white supremacist types don't show much racism toward Asian types until the Asian type becomes a threat, unlike the overt racism more often displayed towards black and brown people. They love the quiet, polite, industrious image of Asians but get all uncomfortable when the Asian becomes a competitive threat. Been fighting it my whole life.[/QUOTE]Seem new racism now in US about Asians. Funny stories from WGs about Asians who are most often easy for vagina business, many seeming preferring extra CIM rather than fucking. At Oase, some Asians experts make 100/150 in less than 15 mn with no fucking but CIM and 1 baby kiss. My only rooms without fucking were when I gave up because too disappointed by the girl, like on my fifth with German Lucifer at Palace, on April 2017, when we met twice before, repeating on each time for foreplay initiation, she asked me to stay for the 30 mn but I didn't want to lose my time with her and she touch me, I preferred to diner fast and made a really fast run in curves at night to Velbert where Kate was not so happy I didn't go with her, when she was too busy for my desire.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2546844]Lmfao, dude you at this moment got 809 out of 809 posts of irrelevant BS. You're a troll. As I wrote earlier I've mongered in more countries than you trolls have even visited.[/QUOTE]Oh believe me, he has even more posts than I have. Just add up his other handles. Takedown, Phallus Maximus, and a couple of others.
[QUOTE=Chongmal;2546848]Nice, anonymously advocating for another race on a sex forum. Why do you feel that it is necessary to advocate for Asians and what makes you think a sex forum is the best place to do so. Why not stand up publicly and and advocate for change in your own culture to be more accepting of other races, cultures and religions. You could even create a political agenda, speak about the injustices perpetrated against Asians, Africans, Turks, Muslims, etc.
Sorry, I still haven't made it easy for you. Silly Rabit, Trix are for kids.[/QUOTE]I understand that you have a hard time understanding context. Which was how factory mentality leads to brainwashing. As is also seen in the west, but in the last 30 or so years we have tried to change this attitude, as well as the schooling system away from the out of date industrial mentality schooling system.
Mursenary: well, taste of looks are in the eyes of the beholder. But I am not the one who walks over to someone in an FKK and pushes him away after first standing 4 meters away, being cringy, not knowing the name of a girl I get asked about, right after the guy I push is just done in the room and randomly ask who I am waiting for. And that guy I push clearly first states he is with no ammo left at all. And as he is a communication expert, and notice the cringy silence and nothing happening, walks over to ask a simple question.
Being less brainwashed is important in order to understand how the pro-vaxxer mafia is trying to screw us all over. So quite relevant to all of humanity. And so we are all in the same boat here.
The inside of a person is where the pot ends up. Alternatively does not end up. Weather or not pot is beautiful is up for debate, but it may also be related to the medical effects of pot itself.
Actually I think I remember you Chongmal. Was it you who told me you agreed on the fact Oceans had the best looking girls among the nrw clubs? If so, at least you are honest sometimes. But tribal posts on the forum is not something I'm a big fan of.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2546761]Let the paper trail reveal the truth.
Regarding your last line, you have your work cut out for you on this forum. Many opportunities from multiple bullshit artists. At least he keeps his exaggerations mostly only about himself. Some unfound claims about mutations and tracking covid spread, but overall the bullshit is relatively contained to topics of self-grandeur.[/QUOTE]Talking about a paper trail, perhaps you want to update your optimistic prediction of FKK clubs opening in summer 2021? LOL!
The city of Hamburg just imposed a 9 pm-5 am curfew, as lockdowns in Europe are becoming more and more STRICT, instead of more relaxed:
[URL]https://www.thelocal.de/20210331/hamburg-to-introduce-curfew-amid-rising-covid-19-cases/[/URL]
With an increasing number of tests on one hand, and a fixed Incident Value of 50-100 per 100 k inhabitants on the other hand, more lockdowns are guaranteed.
For anyone planning to travel to Europe in the summer I have the following advice: don't listen to some obscure ER nurse from SE United States, who doesn't speak a word of German and doesn't know the situation on the ground. The only thing he knows is promoting 'his' Frankenstein Vaccine, because he's nothing more than a (paid?) Big Pharma Troll.
Well, I always play chess in the room. But the only three times in 500+ that I haven't had orgasm inside the chess pieces were when I wanted to go with another girl right after. In Macau once I mistakenly picked the wrong girl. I think due to being way too tired. My main girl who I did go with an hour later got so pissed at me though. But I didn't dare telling her that I had had the other girl mistaken for being her. Of course my favourite was a 9, and the other girl a 5 or a 6. So a big mistake. Another girl tried to break my piece in two when playing chess, because my tower was dominating the game too much. So then also I just let her win. And the third time I was running short and I wanted to play two games in a row before leaving the final day.
But in 99% of the games I play I do finish. The idea that there is any such thing as competition at an FKK club is beyond me. I cannot even begin, or want to begin considering the psychological traits related to such ideas.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2546990]Oh believe me, he has even more posts than I have. Just add up his other handles. Takedown, Phallus Maximus, and a couple of others.[/QUOTE]You're so right, wasn't he the guy who admitted that he had another account as well? Is he still posting from that account or what happened with that account?
Well most racism towards Asians seems to be from white women. I once talked to a politician who wanted to take in more Africans but less Asians. I argued for the opposite, telling her Asian women was better looking. She got so furious. I asked her if she preferred BBC. She almost ran away. Top semi famous politician.
What was that prediction again? Want to cite that?
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2547051]Talking about a paper trail, perhaps you want to update your optimistic prediction of FKK clubs opening in summer 2021? LOL!
The city of Hamburg just imposed a 9 pm-5 am curfew, as lockdowns in Europe are becoming more and more STRICT, instead of more relaxed:
[URL]https://www.thelocal.de/20210331/hamburg-to-introduce-curfew-amid-rising-covid-19-cases/[/URL]
With an increasing number of tests on one hand, and a fixed Incident Value of 50-100 per 100 k inhabitants on the other hand, more lockdowns are guaranteed.
For anyone planning to travel to Europe in the summer I have the following advice: don't listen to some obscure ER nurse from SE United States, who doesn't speak a word of German and doesn't know the situation on the ground. The only thing he knows is promoting 'his' Frankenstein Vaccine, because he's nothing more than a (paid?) Big Pharma Troll.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2546905]Naaww, is the little baby upset. You're obviously a demented old weirdo ready for his last rest.
This is why I have stopped posting trip reports on this site, there are simply too many mentally unstable trolls on here.[/QUOTE]Where was the first?
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2547081]You're so right, wasn't he the guy who admitted that he had another account as well? Is he still posting from that account or what happened with that account?[/QUOTE]Taked0 wn and Escape Artist were my other handles.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2547051]For anyone planning to travel to Europe in the summer I have the following advice: don't listen to some obscure ER nurse from SE United States, who doesn't speak a word of German and doesn't know the situation on the ground. The only thing he knows is promoting 'his' Frankenstein Vaccine, because he's nothing more than a (paid?) Big Pharma Troll.[/QUOTE]BrustWarzen is the German word for nipples. It translate to Breast Warts.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2547019]Actually I think I remember you Chongmal. Was it you who told me you agreed on the fact Oceans had the best looking girls among the nrw clubs? If so, at least you are honest sometimes. But tribal posts on the forum is not something I'm a big fan of.[/QUOTE]Are you sure? When his home was LR and he didn't seem to run after beauties. Each one own tastes of course, but no couch to chat with girls at Oceans where most girls just turn around for business. I can only thank him for his information even not accurate on beginning of September 2018, if he didn't, from her behavior in lounge and she threw me in face her towel when she understood we were speaking about her, I would never have gone with her, but then couldn't resist to answer her and what a good surprise after few seconds sitting together, when I asked her if I could and when seeing her nails care and skin care, I knew she could only be a woman for me. Even I touched the limit after 2 months and she was not able to resist to pressure at LR, but one of the most interesting met and even more out of room than in bed, what I call a real woman type. What I just don't understand is his logic, claiming I followed a cocaine dolphin at YY on January 2018, but advising to a bad guy like me, a girl in his home club on September 2018, I would never advice any girl to such a bad guy, when he also saw me weekly for months with my previous regular coming to me to start her day. When saying all girls are good, but maybe he really did hate this one when he didn't dare to tell about vulgar Jane, or we may not have same logic.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2546901]After mongering in so many places, can you confirm that Brazilian men have the smoothest buttholes? Or do you prefer being a "bottom"?[/QUOTE]Brazilian men? I won't try to check. When some guys seem more interested by other guys, but I prefer to focus on few beauties I succeed to find. When I see a beautiful girl, I think this is a beautiful day.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2547019]Actually I think I remember you Chongmal. Was it you who told me you agreed on the fact Oceans had the best looking girls among the nrw clubs? If so, at least you are honest sometimes. But tribal posts on the forum is not something I'm a big fan of.[/QUOTE]For sure it was not me that raved about Oceans. It feels a bit unjust to say it now because the clubs have been closed so long, but Oceans was the biggest rip off sauna club in Germany. I used it purely as a dinner and nap spot on my way out of town. Amazingly, the lady still tried to charge me for arriving by taxi when I showed her my car keys and asked if someone wanted to escort me to the parking lot and verify it was really there. I still hold it against the club for charging my friend and I the same entry price, we ate and drank the same things and then they levied a large fee for him when we checked out. Yes, Oceans was a piece of crap club. They recruited ladies by offering a club sponsored increase in rates. Then they failed to deliver on the upscale experience they advertised.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2547097]Where was the first?[/QUOTE]You would already have known that if you hadn't failed the intelligence test.
Don't you ever get tired of picking fights with strangers on the internet?
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2547074]LOL, I leave that gay shit to you chinks.[/QUOTE]There we go. Your true feelings on the surface. May I ask why? What is it that an Asian man has done to wrong you?
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2546905]Naaww, is the little baby upset. You're obviously a demented old weirdo ready for his last rest.
This is why I have stopped posting trip reports on this site, there are simply too many mentally unstable trolls on here.[/QUOTE]Honestly, I could give a shit if you post a trip report or not. The issue is you attack everyone. You insult everyone. Be a well adjusted contributor and you might be surprised. Of course, that will never happen.
I really miss the days of Breandman and BasketCase, Arizona.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2547107]Are you sure? When his home was LR and he didn't seem to run after beauties. Each one own tastes of course, but no couch to chat with girls at Oceans where most girls just turn around for business. I can only thank him for his information even not accurate on beginning of September 2018, if he didn't, from her behavior in lounge and she threw me in face her towel when she understood we were speaking about her, I would never have gone with her, but then couldn't resist to answer her and what a good surprise after few seconds sitting together, when I asked her if I could and when seeing her nails care and skin care, I knew she could only be a woman for me. Even I touched the limit after 2 months and she was not able to resist to pressure at LR, but one of the most interesting met and even more out of room than in bed, what I call a real woman type. What I just don't understand is his logic, claiming I followed a cocaine dolphin at YY on January 2018, but advising to a bad guy like me, a girl in his home club on September 2018, I would never advice any girl to such a bad guy, when he also saw me weekly for months with my previous regular coming to me to start her day. When saying all girls are good, but maybe he really did hate this one when he didn't dare to tell about vulgar Jane, or we may not have same logic.[/QUOTE]Thank you for actually knowing me. Perhaps you would like to explain to Pistons and Shoo the irony of me being classified as a person with "extreme anti-Western attitude"? I never had an issue recommending or discussing ladies with another man. I personally was happy to see you happy with a lady at LR.
Concerning the Lady at YinYang: Were you not curled up with Kitty while she wiped for me to shower? Did you not end up standing on the landing as we went into the room? Were you not waiting in the doorway when we left the room and walked back to the showers? Did you not wait in the doorway of the lounge for her to come back in? Did she not walk by you and grab another guy by the arm, go smoke and head off to the room with him? Did this cycle not repeat a second time before you changed and left for another club? I don't make this up. One last question for you. Wasn't it after this day that you started calling her Cocaine?
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2547147]You would already have known that if you hadn't failed the intelligence test.
Don't you ever get tired of picking fights with strangers on the internet?[/QUOTE]I'm just flirting with you honey buns. I'm tired of keeping our love a secret from the word.
[QUOTE=Chongmal;2547148]There we go. Your true feelings on the surface. May I ask why? What is it that an Asian man has done to wrong you?[/QUOTE]Sorry, it's my fault. He's a little angry with me because I'm selfish and always make him be the bottom. That ass is just so smooth!
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2547195]Sorry, it's my fault. He's a little angry with me because I'm selfish and always make him be the bottom. That ass is just so smooth![/QUOTE]You're his alpha and you're better hung. He always had a very submissive side.
[QUOTE=Chongmal;2547157]Honestly, I could give a shit if you post a trip report or not. The issue is you attack everyone. You insult everyone. Be a well adjusted contributor and you might be surprised. Of course, that will never happen.
I really miss the days of Breandman and BasketCase, Arizona.[/QUOTE]This is hilarious, have you seen your own posts? I've already exposed you for being a hypocritical troll and yet you continue with your double standards and unacceptable personal attacks against contributing members. I have done nothing wrong, you and your other troll accounts should apologize immediately.
You're obviously an old demented geezer with a pathetic life who can't accept that people with different opinions have a right to write on this forum as well.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2547195]Sorry, it's my fault. He's a little angry with me because I'm selfish and always make him be the bottom. That ass is just so smooth![/QUOTE]It's extremely funny that him calls me gay, like you're not even a man. It's not my fault that you got a tiny penis and women consider you feminine.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2547107], but no couch to chat with girls at Oceans.[/QUOTE]Inside at the main lounge yes. Although the bar works fine for talking, and also sometimes I eat together with girls there. But outside during the summertime, the couches there are almost no business and all social. Same with the two smoke areas, though I don't go there. Unless a girl sits there and asks me to come over.
[QUOTE=Chongmal;2547133]Then they failed to deliver on the upscale experience they advertised.[/QUOTE]I once woke up in the cinema at Oceans by Maggie. We were both so horny that I fucked her for half an hour with tons of kissing and everything. Easily a top 5 fuck I've ever had. Hard to replicate, and not something to put a price on. But damn I won't complain on service there! Too bad she went to Artemis and I didn't go with her too many times. I think I gave her a crush on mini-piston right there. Could see it in her eyes every time I met her afterwards. If after this life we get to relive the best experiences we had in life, that one is at or near the top of list for sure.
Chongmal: I believe your exact words when we met at Acapulco Velbert was: "if I had been able to become a regular at Oceans and time to know all the girls there, I would have made it my favourite club". Then you went on to argue that as long as it was not a regular club, the management seemed to try and rip you off. Somehow that never happens to me due to my good looks I think. But either way, I am quite sure it was you.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2546905]Naaww, is the little baby upset. You're obviously a demented old weirdo ready for his last rest.
This is why I have stopped posting trip reports on this site, there are simply too many mentally unstable trolls on here.[/QUOTE]I thought it was because of covid 19 and closure of all FKKs.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2546911]Seem new racism now in US about Asians. Funny stories from WGs about Asians who are most often easy for vagina business, many seeming preferring extra CIM rather than fucking. At Oase, some Asians experts make 100/150 in less than 15 mn with no fucking but CIM and 1 baby kiss. My only rooms without fucking were when I gave up because too disappointed by the girl, like on my fifth with German Lucifer at Palace, on April 2017, when we met twice before, repeating on each time for foreplay initiation, she asked me to stay for the 30 mn but I didn't want to lose my time with her and she touch me, I preferred to diner fast and made a really fast run in curves at night to Velbert where Kate was not so happy I didn't go with her, when she was too busy for my desire.[/QUOTE]New? Hilarious. Always been around. In children, it's often seen from the poor and uneducated.
As adults, I've mostly witnessed it from white males. Particularly when their self-confidence is threatened.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2547295]It's extremely funny that him calls me gay, like you're not even a man. It's not my fault that you got a tiny penis and women consider you feminine.[/QUOTE]Stop hiding our love sweet cheeks. I'm sorry I forgot the lube last night. P.S. I love it when you do that thing I like. Kisses.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2547271]In countries respecting human rights, you are innocent as long no proof ou are guilty, when I was never caught overspeeding in Switzerland, so my car might overspeed on its own, or You could drive it, like some carbon light bicycle may be able to climb alone. So, according to human rights, Switzerland put in jail a innocent and I'm fully sure I'm not the only one. When limit is 120 for snails in expensive powerful cars, my cars were never flashed over 120 and only on autobahns, where some parts are limited to 100, or even 80 , maybe could be flashed on my alloy bicycle. But Switzerland seem to prefer drugs business, how many deaths and going to hospital from drugs in Switzerland? When I was never involved in any crash in Switzerland, nor Germany on full speed and going to grip limit, when I used to drive more kilometers in Germany than average for Germans. Swiss administration also robbering French material in my car, making messe, and liars, trying everything to make You pay, even they have no proof. Speed and maximum attack make adrenaline, not to fall asleep which is important cause for accidents on autobahns.[/QUOTE]Well, sweetheart, the law in Switzerland is that the owner of the car is responsible. The owner has to provide the contact details of the person driving in case the owner is claiming he wasn't driving. This has been litigated up to federal court. See, it's kind of not believable that the owner of a car does not know who is driving.
[URL]https://www.bger.ch/ext/eurospider/live/fr/php/aza/http/index.php?highlight_docid=aza://22-11-2017-6B_432-2017&lang=fr&type=show_document&zoom=YES&[/URL]
At the same time it was just as according to the law that your "coyote" was confiscated. [URL]https://www.ezv.admin.ch/ezv/en/home/information-individuals/bans--restrictions-and-authorisations/radar-warning-devices.html[/URL]#text=Radar%20 warning%20 devices%20 (radar%20 wave,%2 Dalert%20 systems%2 C%20 etc.)&text=These%20 signals%20 allow%20 drivers%20 who, place%20 them%20 on%20 the%20 market.
In Switzerland it is prohibited to use devices of this nature as well as to place them on the market. Devices of this nature will be confiscated and will be handed over to the responsible cantonal authorities. As a rule, the device will be destroyed and a fine will be imposed. If the device was not declared or incorrectly declared for customs clearance, this will lead to an additional fine.
So see, it was all according to the law.
Now, it is very possible that the police didn't know that in France you are second best driver only to Alain Prost so the rules don't apply to you.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2547294]This is hilarious, have you seen your own posts? I've already exposed you for being a hypocritical troll and yet you continue with your double standards and unacceptable personal attacks against contributing members. I have done nothing wrong, you and your other troll accounts should apologize immediately.
You're obviously an old demented geezer with a pathetic life who can't accept that people with different opinions have a right to write on this forum as well.[/QUOTE]You calling me a Troll is like Antifa calling anyone else a Facial. This is the new age education. Shout, scream, insult, cancel. Well, I won't be canceled. I won't stoop to trying to classify you. I will let you continue to display your mannerisms and intellect and let the masses see for themselves.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2547271]how many deaths and going to hospital from drugs in Switzerland?[/QUOTE]Since you asked, 165 deaths in 2018 with main cause of death drug consumption [URL]https://www.obsan.admin.ch/en/indicators/MonAM/drug-related-deaths[/URL].
In 2019 187 deaths in car crashes.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2547320]Inside at the main lounge yes. Although the bar works fine for talking, and also sometimes I eat together with girls there. But outside during the summertime, the couches there are almost no business and all social. Same with the two smoke areas, though I don't go there. Unless a girl sits there and asks me to come over.[/QUOTE]I know there are many couches at Oceans, but girls there don't stay in couch with you for hours. On opening on end of 2014, Oceans claimed would become club number 1 in Germany and what really became? When I would drive to the moon for a beauty, but I will never accept to be fucked by desk, when on few times when I arrived at GT or LR, being welcome by my regular, so I forgot to wait my money back, chatting with her, and girls on desk came after me to give my money back. Never saw any other so not honest desk than at Oceans, just a shame.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2547452]Since you asked, 165 deaths in 2018 with main cause of death drug consumption [URL]https://www.obsan.admin.ch/en/indicators/MonAM/drug-related-deaths[/URL].
In 2019 187 deaths in car crashes.[/QUOTE]When they really drive like snails, how many on autobahns from falling asleep? When can't be because overspeed.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2547444]Well, sweetheart, the law in Switzerland is that the owner of the car is responsible. The owner has to provide the contact details of the person driving in case the owner is claiming he wasn't driving. This has been litigated up to federal court. See, it's kind of not believable that the owner of a car does not know who is driving.
[URL]https://www.bger.ch/ext/eurospider/live/fr/php/aza/http/index.php?highlight_docid=aza://22-11-2017-6B_432-2017&lang=fr&type=show_document&zoom=YES&[/URL]
At the same time it was just as according to the law that your "coyote" was confiscated. [URL]https://www.ezv.admin.ch/ezv/en/home/information-individuals/bans--restrictions-and-authorisations/radar-warning-devices.html[/URL]#text=Radar%20 warning%20 devices%20 (radar%20 wave,%2 Dalert%20 systems%2 C%20 etc.)&text=These%20 signals%20 allow%20 drivers%20 who, place%20 them%20 on%20 the%20 market.
In Switzerland it is prohibited to use devices of this nature as well as to place them on the market. Devices of this nature will be confiscated and will be handed over to the responsible cantonal authorities. As a rule, the device will be destroyed and a fine will be imposed. If the device was not declared or incorrectly declared for customs clearance, this will lead to an additional fine..[/QUOTE]Very simple for me: when I spent so much time in Switzerland for so many years and I loved beautiful Wallis, I won't go now for more than transit, sometimes to brothels, or Verbier, not even to Zermatt I will reach Klein Matterhorn from Italy, I don't like such country who doesn't respect human rights and where law is not same for all. And I won't advice to anybody.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2547423]Stop hiding our love sweet cheeks. I'm sorry I forgot the lube last night. P.S. I love it when you do that thing I like. Kisses.[/QUOTE]You're just a pathetic troll, you have to be able to do better than that.
[QUOTE=Chongmal;2547449]You calling me a Troll is like Antifa calling anyone else a Facial. This is the new age education. Shout, scream, insult, cancel. Well, I won't be canceled. I won't stoop to trying to classify you. I will let you continue to display your mannerisms and intellect and let the masses see for themselves.[/QUOTE]You have already made it clear to everyone that you're just a hypocritical troll unable of handling people having another opinion than you. You're an embarrassment of this forum.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2547490]Very simple for me: when I spent so much time in Switzerland for so many years and I loved beautiful Wallis, I won't go now for more than transit, sometimes to brothels, or Verbier, not even to Zermatt I will reach Klein Matterhorn from Italy, I don't like such country who doesn't respect human rights and where law is not same for all. And I won't advice to anybody.[/QUOTE]Princess,
I just showed how the law was applied to you. So please show how "law is not same for all", but of course you can only repeat the same ridiculous claims. And if you really believe that human rights were not respected, well there is the European Court for Human Rights in Strasbourg. But of course any lawyer would have laughed at your ridiculous claims.
I sincerely hope you stay out, no need for insane people with delusions of grandeur driving around. Don't forget to take your pills.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2547489]When they really drive like snails, how many on autobahns from falling asleep? When can't be because overspeed.[/QUOTE]In France speed limit on highway is 130 when dry and 110 when raining. Do people in France all fall asleep at the wheel when it's raining then?
Other countries with speed limit 120 or lower: Australia, Belgium, Canada, Estonia, Finland, Ireland, Japan, Latvia, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Sweden, UK.
Ah, I forget you are a better driver than all the drivers in these countries.
In any case, how often and by how much did you speed after you were caught in Switzerland? See, speed limits and enforcing them works.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2547512]You have already made it clear to everyone that you're just a hypocritical troll unable of handling people having another opinion than you. You're an embarrassment of this forum.[/QUOTE]Just to be sure:
In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts flame wars or intentionally upsets people on the Internet. This is typically for the troll's amusement, or to achieve a specific result such as disrupting a rival's online activities or manipulating a political process.
As I recall, I said nothing to you. I stated simply that it was amazing how many virology experts were members of this forum. You led with inflaming, argumentative name calling comments. Pistons responded saying that I displayed "extreme anti-Western attitude". Then the word Chink flew out of somebody's mouth. Several Asian stereo types were tossed around.
Go ahead, keep sticking your foot in you mouth. All the readers here can see by the definition who the offending party really is.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2547510]You're just a pathetic troll, you have to be able to do better than that.[/QUOTE]What's that? You want me to fuck you harder next time? You got it!
India has a new virus mutant now with both the L452 R (totally new) and E484 Q (also seen in a USA version). Both on the spike protein making vaccines less effective.
While the brutish 'Kent's mutation of covid in Europe now also has gained the E484 K mutation previously seen in SA and Brazil. Which makes it better at evading vaccines.
And the Brazil Manuaus version is just continuing to mutate wildly.
By the time we get everyone vaxxed, all these new mutations will make the first round of vaccines 50% useless. Maybe people won't die as much, but it will continue spreading and mutating. And people will need additional shots in the arm (or head), further increasing the risk of vaccine damage by autoimmune diseases.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2547330]Chongmal: I believe your exact words when we met at Acapulco Velbert was: "if I had been able to become a regular at Oceans and time to know all the girls there, I would have made it my favourite club". Then you went on to argue that as long as it was not a regular club, the management seemed to try and rip you off. Somehow that never happens to me due to my good looks I think. But either way, I am quite sure it was you.[/QUOTE]Aren't you mistaking? When he was best supporter for LR and he did really hate when You write something bad about LR or girls there, except maybe Jane when he didn't dare after his bad experience at GT, like if he was interested for business there, when I liked when my followers needed to tell me they didn't like my girls, just made me happy they wasted money following me, I m not Kardashian, I don t need followers doing same like me. He claims about me at YY when I never noticed him anywhere else before meeting at LR, after his story at YY and when under cocaine since she worked at GT and some NL there knew how to play AO with her for cocaine, reason why she left GT where she was busy. When she sent me messages when she returned at home for Christmas 2017, she was only my third choice after part timer wow Elena and so sweet GFE Fabienne ex GT, much more my types at YY. I don't remember when we met on 2018 at LR, but I remember he told he saw me weekly for months with my past regular when I never noticed him, even he was at LR weekly, but I m not interested by guys, but he showed to a bad guy running after girls, the new beauty as he told, on beginning of September 2018. If I was him, I would have enjoyed the new beauty before bad guy arrived, when I really pushed from Paris to be on time for dinner before 10 pm, when she started at 8 pm. I can t understand guys who need to defend clubs they like or girls working there, who have problems when you report your subjective bad experience. When I enjoyed, I write positive, when I m disappointed, I will also write and I don t care if staff are happy or not. This is just my freedom, I don't care about clubs, I'm not to support their business. Of course I also don't care about guys or followers, only girls interest me when I always thought clubs were to meet girls, not to be more interested by other guys. But I can only agree with him, even we have different tastes for looks and girls behavior, about really bad behavior for desk at Oceans, reason why I didn't return often and also pretty sure why was not crowded on my few visits.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2547095]What was that prediction again? Want to cite that?[/QUOTE]Why don't you stop trolling and put your money where your mouth is?
Let's see about your track record:
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2512650]Yes, we are likely going to have a long winter with late March / April looking to show the first signs of normalcy. I wouldn't make any international travel plans before May, June to be safe.[/QUOTE]March / April to "show first signs of normalcy?" Hahahaha! You amateur!
The sad reality is that, despite your lies, vax-promotion and gaslighting, Germany is still locked down.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2532959]I agree with your estimates regarding reopening dates. Hoping for May, betting on August.[/QUOTE]FYI in case you don't know how to read a calendar: May starts in less than 30 days. LOL!
[URL]https://www.sat1.de/tv/fruehstuecksfernsehen/video/biontech-chef-haelt-harten-lockdown-im-sommer-fuer-moeglich-clip[/URL]
[QUOTE]Der BioNTech-Gründer Ugur Sahin hält einen Lockdown im Sommer für nötig, sollten die Infektionszahlen nicht sinken.[/QUOTE]Translation: 'BioNTech founder Ugur Sahin deems lockdown in summer for necessary, in case infection numbers don't decrease.' Those 'infection' numbers will of course not sink with mandatory testing and an Incident Value which is relative to the fixed 100 k inhabitants, instead of the variable number of tests.
Now you and your 'buddies' can continue to pollute this thread with lots of off-topic bullshit in order to cover your fuckups and total lack of understanding. LOL!
P.S. AstraZeneca is so "successful" against mutations that South Arica has stopped vaccinating: [URL]https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/02/south-africa-suspends-use-astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine-after-it-fails-clearly-stop[/URL].
So Mursenary, a really 'difficult' question for such an 'expert' like yourself: how long will it take for the South African "mutation" to reach Europe and render the AstraZeneca vaccine completely useless?
Here are the flights between Cape Town / Jo-burg and Frankfurt;.
[URL]https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/lh576[/URL]
[URL]https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/lh573[/URL]
You hear that clock ticking? Tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2547673]India has a new virus mutant now with both the L452 R (totally new) and E484 Q (also seen in a USA version). Both on the spike protein making vaccines less effective.
While the brutish 'Kent's mutation of covid in Europe now also has gained the E484 K mutation previously seen in SA and Brazil. Which makes it better at evading vaccines.
And the Brazil Manuaus version is just continuing to mutate wildly.
By the time we get everyone vaxxed, all these new mutations will make the first round of vaccines 50% useless. Maybe people won't die as much, but it will continue spreading and mutating. And people will need additional shots in the arm (or head), further increasing the risk of vaccine damage by autoimmune diseases.[/QUOTE]Continental Europe situation on 2021 is due to UK mutant, spreading more, killing more and younger people, so we can masturbate for a while about German FKK, when borders are more and more closed, even inside EU. UK really made us after Brexit bad killer gift. Wish heat will make it less strong, when don't seem to work in Brazil.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2547787]UK really made us after Brexit bad killer gift.[/QUOTE]What utter baloney!
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2547720]Why don't you stop trolling and put your money where your mouth is?
Let's see about your track record:
March / April to "show first signs of normalcy?" Hahahaha! You amateur!
The sad reality is that, despite your lies, vax-promotion and gaslighting, Germany is still locked down.
FYI in case you don't know how to read a calendar: May starts in less than 30 days. LOL!
[URL]https://www.sat1.de/tv/fruehstuecksfernsehen/video/biontech-chef-haelt-harten-lockdown-im-sommer-fuer-moeglich-clip[/URL]
Translation: 'BioNTech founder Ugur Sahin deems lockdown in summer for necessary, in case infection numbers don't decrease.' Those 'infection' numbers will of course not sink with mandatory testing and an Incident Value which is relative to the fixed 100 k inhabitants, instead of the variable number of tests.
Now you and your 'buddies' can continue to pollute this thread with lots of off-topic bullshit in order to cover your fuckups and total lack of understanding. LOL!
P.S. AstraZeneca is so "successful" against mutations that South Arica has stopped vaccinating: [URL]https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/02/south-africa-suspends-use-astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine-after-it-fails-clearly-stop[/URL].
So Mursenary, a really 'difficult' question for such an 'expert' like yourself: how long will it take for the South African "mutation" to reach Europe and render the AstraZeneca vaccine completely useless?
Here are the flights between Cape Town / Jo-burg and Frankfurt;.
[URL]https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/lh576[/URL]
[URL]https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/lh573[/URL]
You hear that clock ticking? Tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock.[/QUOTE]Funny how you take optimism and hope to mean predict. Pretty sure my quote says specifically "hope for May bet on August". Or did the words "wouldn't make international travel plans before May / June" not register when in a desperate blind rage to merely win an argument?
Have we not seen the first signs of normalcy? Did UK and Portugal not begin the first stages of lifting restrictions? The US is basically wide open in at least half of the states. Did you interpret "first signs of normalcy" to mean "completely restored to normal everywhere"?
I have not made any concrete predictions as I do not profess to know how everything will unfold. How long will South Africa variant take to spread and what will be the effect? That's beyond my expertise to predict. But more importantly, do you see cases or deaths going up in South Africa to warrant you bringing that up? Did I miss something?
That's great that you understand that numbers don't decrease when the numerator goes up with denominator staying the same. Hooray for basic grade school math. But have I ever endorsed that incidence threshold be fixed? I don't remember doing so. In fact, I agree that threshold should be reevaluated if we are testing more. You know it is possible give praise to Germany's efforts while also giving specific criticism at the same time right? They surely are doing something right considering that they still maintain one of the better controlled COVID situations despite their compromising geographic location adjacent to 9 or so other nations.
Unlike your consistent positions supporting a predictable anti-everything platform, I am no cheerleader of any one institution.
Vaccines are not perfect but if there are other options, let's hear it. The notion of locking up the old until we reach natural herd immunity would clearly not work as seen in Brazil and Mexico. One year with open societies and counting and nowhere near natural herd immunity in either nation. Meanwhile variants are building and we keep the old locked up. Same argument you have with vaccines.
So, what's your next proposition?
They're mutating in Mexico and Brazil as we wait for your next suggestion. TikTokTikTokTikTok.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2547673]India has a new virus mutant now with both the L452 R (totally new) and E484 Q (also seen in a USA version). Both on the spike protein making vaccines less effective.
While the brutish 'Kent's mutation of covid in Europe now also has gained the E484 K mutation previously seen in SA and Brazil. Which makes it better at evading vaccines.
And the Brazil Manuaus version is just continuing to mutate wildly.
By the time we get everyone vaxxed, all these new mutations will make the first round of vaccines 50% useless. Maybe people won't die as much, but it will continue spreading and mutating. And people will need additional shots in the arm (or head), further increasing the risk of vaccine damage by autoimmune diseases.[/QUOTE]This is not a discovery, many times I wrote on this forum that the vaccines are a tool like washing the hands, masks. But not the ultimate one, why should they be more efficient that the one against the normal flue? Nobody knows what is the future of this pandemy may be can disappear in 1 or 2 months, may be there for several years and killing 5, 10% or more of the global population.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2547808]LOL, you're just a mentally unstable chink with a yellow micropenis. You're pathetic.[/QUOTE]You mean: another ChiCom spreading Covid1984 fake news and part of the CCP psy-ops campaign to destabilize the West and destroy our FKK Freedom?!
Was watching France24 live news after a long time, even this libtard news agency started to sing that lockdowns aren't really working good overall for France and Europe. When will the people of Europe overthrow these libtard governments? Only reasons USA is doing better now with vaccines because of Trump's push for vaccines in less than a year (when all democrats were saying that's impossible), and his America first policies. True he lost the election, arguably by frauds by the Dems, but if he didn't do the fundamental America first things, USA would have been in same deep shit like Europe (Biden is just reaping the seeds planted by Trump). Let's see when Europe wakes up. For example, now that California Governor is facing Recall, everything is opening up there LOL.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2547673]India has a new virus mutant now with both the L452 R (totally new) and E484 Q (also seen in a USA version). Both on the spike protein making vaccines less effective.
While the brutish 'Kent's mutation of covid in Europe now also has gained the E484 K mutation previously seen in SA and Brazil. Which makes it better at evading vaccines.
And the Brazil Manuaus version is just continuing to mutate wildly.
By the time we get everyone vaxxed, all these new mutations will make the first round of vaccines 50% useless. Maybe people won't die as much, but it will continue spreading and mutating. And people will need additional shots in the arm (or head), further increasing the risk of vaccine damage by autoimmune diseases.[/QUOTE]Exactly! We're on a road to nowhere, and the lockdowns, face masks and social distancing (all 'invented' by the CCP by the way) have probably prevented herd immunity.
This is what leading vaccine experts like Geert vanden Bossche (developed many vaccines and worked for big pharmaceutical companies and GAVI, Global Vaccine Alliance) have already predicted, but our CCP Nursenary probably 'knows' better. / sarc.
Here is a real vaccine expert, Geert vanden Bossche, not some anonymous PLA Unit 61398 troll artist pretending to be a doctor;.
[URL]https://youtu.be/qu8PlB4yQ4k[/URL]
[URL]https://www.bitchute.com/video/BNmUyioaAETO/[/URL]
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2547808]LOL, you're just a mentally unstable chink with a yellow micropenis. You're pathetic.[/QUOTE]You know I get that micro hard-on when you talk dirty to me. Can't wait to see you in our normal spot, glory hole in stall number 3 at the Petrol station? I'm getting a little stiffy just thinking about your slobbery mouth.
[QUOTE=Chongmal;2546865]Nice, you're going to teach me something. Let's think, that is what that little blonde told me at the Reeperbahn, only she did teach me some things. Of course, that was most likely back before you were born, for sure before you became a full grown idiot that makes your mother proud. I'm sorry if I keep giving you the nagel in your face, but it seems you like it.[/QUOTE]Dude,
Apparently this one hit him so hard that he had to respond to it twice over, and 2 days later to boot. Good job Ching Chong Mai! Not going to lie, I'm a little jealous.
Apparently pent up sexual frustration leads to ISG guys turning it into QAnon corner. It all makes sense!
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2547841]Exactly! We're on a road to nowhere, and the lockdowns, face masks and social distancing (all 'invented' by the CCP by the way) have probably prevented herd immunity.
This is what leading vaccine experts like Geert vanden Bossche (developed many vaccines and worked for big pharmaceutical companies and GAVI, Global Vaccine Alliance) have already predicted, but our CCP Nursenary probably 'knows' better. / sarc.
Here is a real vaccine expert, Geert vanden Bossche, not some anonymous PLA Unit 61398 troll artist pretending to be a doctor;.
[URL]https://youtu.be/qu8PlB4yQ4k[/URL]
[URL]https://www.bitchute.com/video/BNmUyioaAETO/[/URL][/QUOTE]Dr Geert vanden Bossche phD, DVM. As in, Doctor of Veterinary medicine. Cool.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2547823]This is not a discovery, many times I wrote on this forum that the vaccines are a tool like washing the hands, masks. But not the ultimate one, why should they be more efficient that the one against the normal flue? Nobody knows what is the future of this pandemy may be can disappear in 1 or 2 months, may be there for several years and killing 5, 10% or more of the global population.[/QUOTE]About 9 or 10 months ago I made a prediction here on ISG that 30 million people would die by the end of 2021. As I recall, there were a handful of people here basically calling me insane, and one guy called me Thanos. Some of these people (I might look it up later) are among the wannabe doctors here on the forum. I call them useless garbage.
So what is your and other wannabe doctors predictions now? Closer to my 30 million estimate?
I also said I believed barely 30%, or maybe as low at 20% would even be registered due to many unaccounted deaths in poor countries. For my prediction to hold, only a doubling or a tripling of death numbers from today's level is required.
Yes you can name me the outmost expert on pandemics already! Thank you!
As I have clearly stated here before, this petri created virus will continue to mutate as long as it is needed. And the main reason is the revolution of the financial system and modernization of the world. Basically the automation potential is being swept up, and capitalism are in desperate need of reform. The real world leaders don't care about 30 or even 100 million lives. Future technologies (which we already have the means to implement) are so advanced that old capitalistic rules would not work at all. And they are holding us back. So this is essential to the survival of humanity.
However I don't agree on using a pandemic in order to get us there.
Here we go again, UFO / CIA / conspiracy or aliens from space. I would rather take my chances and have a life rather than the lockdowns. Like it or not, those at risk are over 80% likely to be 65+ old. Baby boomers final departing gift along with a fucked planet, economy and neo-liberal / con bullshit etc etc. We also need a smaller population. Between funerals and estate fights of greedy descendants, this is good GDP. Seriously, COVID has permanently change supply chains and carrying values of commercial buildings and the workplace and infrastructure built on the assumption of commuting. Great for many. We need to inoculate the girls so they can be angels of sexual mercy.
As to this other nonsense by Shoobree, plenty of Asians with large tools, and the statistics do no reveal any major size difference, and vaginas are only about 4"-5" anyway with some stretch that I personally like to participate in and suspect many agree with this activity. German, Thai, Black, I love them all. Variety is good. Hot sex is good. Grinning from ear to ear is good.
Can we get back to the subject of ravishing beautiful young women?
I wear my amulet of Gypsy tears that protects against COVID, AIDS and democrats. That and Fox News for information plus white skin and attitude is all you need. Just look at eastern europe progress in the last 100 years.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2547841]Exactly! We're on a road to nowhere, and the lockdowns, face masks and social distancing (all 'invented' by the CCP by the way) have probably prevented herd immunity.
This is what leading vaccine experts like Geert vanden Bossche (developed many vaccines and worked for big pharmaceutical companies and GAVI, Global Vaccine Alliance) have already predicted, but our CCP Nursenary probably 'knows' better. / sarc.
Here is a real vaccine expert, Geert vanden Bossche, not some anonymous PLA Unit 61398 troll artist pretending to be a doctor;.
[URL]https://youtu.be/qu8PlB4yQ4k[/URL]
[URL]https://www.bitchute.com/video/BNmUyioaAETO/[/URL][/QUOTE]From [URL]https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/[/URL] , pdf linked at Comments on common questions and criticism II 26.03. 2021, the last paragraph [URL]https://37b32f5a-6ed9-4d6d-b3e1-5ec648ad9ed9.filesusr.com/ugd/28d8fe_be051e26f3ff4c25aecdd2c91416f5d4.pdf[/URL].
"Again, as much as I was in favor of letting the original pandemic (wild type!) run its natural course (in the absence of vaccines inducing sterilizing immunity!) while protecting the vulnerable.
And focusing on early treatment, I am now convinced that the only way to get rid of this pandemic is to use vaccines capable to eradicate C19 and all its variants. There can be no doubt that such vaccines ought to operate according to a completely different principle."
Wait what? He says we need _GASP_ a vaccine? This coming from, one second, let me quote you, "a real vaccine expert".
Now what?
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2547841]This is what leading vaccine experts like Geert vanden Bossche (developed many vaccines and worked for big pharmaceutical companies and GAVI, Global Vaccine Alliance) have already predicted, but our CCP Nursenary probably 'knows' better. / sarc.
Here is a real vaccine expert, Geert vanden Bossche, not some anonymous PLA Unit 61398 troll artist pretending to be a doctor;.[/QUOTE]On his website Geert Vanden Bossche says "Mass infection prevention and mass vaccination with leaky Covid-19 vaccines in the midst of the pandemic can only breed highly infectious variants" first thing, right on top of his website.
Two important points to mention about this sentence.
First point, "leaky vaccines". Leaky vaccines are vaccines that don't significantly affect transmission. Sadly for you, there are more and more studies showing that the current vaccines significantly reduce transmission. Initially these studies were not a priority, but now they are showing up.
Second point, leaky vaccines breed highly infectious variants, because they put evolutionary pressure on the virus. Even this is debatable, but let me just point that all of UK variant, South African variant and Manaus variant showed up before mass vaccinations in those areas, because, duh, the more the virus circulates, the more likely for a new variant to show up.
Now, we could go into the rebuttals of the rest of his argumentation, but I'll just add his conclusion in his doc from 26.03 "I am now convinced that the only way to get rid of this pandemic is to use vaccines capable to eradicate C19 and all its variants. There can be no doubt that such vaccines ought to operate according to a completely different principle."
See pumpkin, he is not against vaccines in principle, he just doesn't think that the current vaccines are good, there should be a better vaccine and a vaccine is the only way.
Now I wonder, since he worked for the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, wasn't this all part of a diabolical plan from Bill Gates from the beginning. Send a, wait, let me find your quotes, "leading vaccine expert", "real vaccine expert", put out some youtube videos that people don't bother to completely watch and anyway people won't bother to actually, what is that weird activity that people don't do, ah right, people won't bother to READ what this guy is saying. Then at the end reveal that the one sentence headline that people send to each other from conspiracy theories. Org, isn't at all what the guy is saying.
In the immortal words of Homer Simpson, DOH.
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2547921] Can we get back to the subject of ravishing beautiful young women?[/QUOTE]Agreed. But unless the clubs open, we aren't going to have anything new on the subject of ravishing beautiful young women, it will only be regurgitated old useless non-info.
Step 1 - (a) Open the clubs and (b) let the ravishing beautiful young women enjoy their work, Step 2 - Let the mongers enjoy the ravishing beautiful women, Step 3 - Write report here and the other forums, Step 4 - Go back to Step 1 (b).
Problem is, to get to Step 1, many of you scared mongers need start looking at how you can help (to get rid of) the Governments who are not letting the Step 1 to happen (this can be called Step 0). Otherwise, some of you older mongers can kiss "the chances of going back to FKK" goodbye for your lifetime. Well, you already knew, every action has a reaction, but many of you forgot and voted for the Governments and Leaders who are not letting the Step 1 to happen; so, remember that in your next opportunity to exercise your right to vote, that your votes can (and will in many cases) have direct practical consequences to your life and lifestyle, it's not just something high-level philosophical theoretical "fix the problems of the whole world" type lets-paint-the-sky-blue type shit. Learn how Californians made a previously super popular Governor to shit in his pants and forced him to open most of the businesses (including clubs) and schools, that's call voters taking control back; every state and country can do that too.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2547853]You know I get that micro hard-on when you talk dirty to me. Can't wait to see you in our normal spot, glory hole in stall number 3 at the Petrol station? I'm getting a little stiffy just thinking about your slobbery mouth.[/QUOTE]Thank you for showing how childish and mentally ill you are.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2547892]Dr Geert vanden Bossche phD, DVM. As in, Doctor of Veterinary medicine. Cool.[/QUOTE]Ah yes, as always the gaslighting and personal attacks in order to destroy someone's credibility.
By the way, you know who else is a veterinarian? Lothar H Wieler, the head of the German Robert Koch Institute, RKI and the person responsible for Germany's handling of the Covid19 "crisis. ".
[URL]https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lothar_H._Wieler[/URL]
[QUOTE]Lothar Heinz Wieler (* 8. Februar 1961 in Königswinter) ist ein deutscher Tierarzt und Fachtierarzt für Mikrobiologie. Seit März 2015 ist er Präsident des Robert Koch-Instituts.[/QUOTE]As always, our CCP troll has no clue what he's talking about, and in the process he destroys his own argument! Your superiors will not be pleased, lah! LOL!
[QUOTE=Gino02;2547836]Was watching France24 live news after a long time, even this libtard news agency started to sing that lockdowns aren't really working good overall for France and Europe. When will the people of Europe overthrow these libtard governments? Only reasons USA is doing better now with vaccines because of Trump's push for vaccines in less than a year (when all democrats were saying that's impossible), and his America first policies. True he lost the election, arguably by frauds by the Dems, but if he didn't do the fundamental America first things, USA would have been in same deep shit like Europe (Biden is just reaping the seeds planted by Trump). Let's see when Europe wakes up. For example, now that California Governor is facing Recall, everything is opening up there LOL.[/QUOTE]You probably do not understand or you pretend not to understand. Lockdowns work if people observe the rules. How else would you stop a communicable disease, genius? Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca never accepted any funds from Trump administration for the development of vaccines. Trump was the one, who said Covid is 'like a flu and would disappear like a miracle with the warm weather by Easter (2020)' and that he proposed to use the flu vaccine for covid because 'he gets these things'! Trump even got vaccinated before leaving the Withe House, but he did not advertise it because he needs the support of retarded people like you, who don't believe in science. Biden set up the whole vaccination programme in US and there are on track to deliver 2 million vaccines. If you don't see these facts, you are so messed up I really feel sorry for you.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2547823]This is not a discovery, many times I wrote on this forum that the vaccines are a tool like washing the hands, masks. But not the ultimate one, why should they be more efficient that the one against the normal flue? Nobody knows what is the future of this pandemy may be can disappear in 1 or 2 months, may be there for several years and killing 5, 10% or more of the global population.[/QUOTE]When UK have record for deaths in Europe = 126 000 , but seem 21 millions vaccine they got from EU, with now having around 50/60% vaccine, help for less deaths now there and I m happy for them. Unfortunately, they brought us their mutant now killing continental Europe on 2021, when lack of vaccine for our citizens, when we sent them our vaccine production. EU have to protect much more and wish heat will help, waiting to produce more vaccine and keeping for us, like do UK, US and India.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2547969]Thank you for showing how childish and mentally ill you are.[/QUOTE]I did stop taking my meds, all except one. Took my Viagra just for you sugar cheeks.
[QUOTE=Chongmal;2547889]I'm sorry that your racial slurs fail to impact me. I refuse to become upset and react by calling you names. You can end your horrible display by not reacting. You can prolong it by continuing to sling racial slurs. Doesn't matter to me, I will just sit here and smile every time you make a fool of yourself, another nagel in your face, which you seem to like.
Why don't I condemn Mursenary for attacking you, because that is his business not mine. When you said something generally insulting to many members of this forum on one of his posts, he told me not to react, so I didn't. I wrote a general post on someone else's entry on this forum, and you attacked me. So, now you are stuck with the issue you started standing in front of you, refusing to be bullied again. I'm like no Asian you have seen before. I also, like many of my Asian friends, won't let you walk over top of me or them.
Let's leave it to Admins. You say I'm a Troll, I showed you the definition of Troll. Admins, please go back to my posts from the beginning, around November 2017. I'm not sure of the dates but it was about the time Emma displayed true prostitute behavior and Sirioja started bashing LR at least weekly. At the same time LR struggled with the beginning of the controls and suffered some restrictions and or shutdowns. I joined the forum to correct inaccurate statements that LR was closed forever and to balance the negative reviews Sirioja gave about LR. For two years I posted regular reports on LR providing a near 100% lineup of who was working at LR and who was missing from the weekly rotation..[/QUOTE]Stop acting innocent, you're the instigator of bad behavior and unacceptable personal attacks against me and other members. You're the troll. You're the one guilty of being a hypocrite.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2547823]This is not a discovery, many times I wrote on this forum that the vaccines are a tool like washing the hands, masks. But not the ultimate one, why should they be more efficient that the one against the normal flue? Nobody knows what is the future of this pandemy may be can disappear in 1 or 2 months, may be there for several years and killing 5, 10% or more of the global population.[/QUOTE]Because COVID-19 is not the flu and the vaccines used are different, they have different effectiveness.
Pfizer and Moderna Covid vaccines effectiveness 94%, flu vaccines 40 - 60%, polio 99%, measles 97%.
I agree that it is not the only tool to be used. I agree that we don't know the future of the pandemic.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2548030]You probably do not understand or you pretend not to understand. Lockdowns work if people observe the rules. How else would you stop a communicable disease, genius? Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca never accepted any funds from Trump administration for the development of vaccines. Trump was the one, who said Covid is 'like a flu and would disappear like a miracle with the warm weather by Easter (2020)' and that he proposed to use the flu vaccine for covid because 'he gets these things'! Trump even got vaccinated before leaving the Withe House, but he did not advertise it because he needs the support of retarded people like you, who don't believe in science. Biden set up the whole vaccination programme in US and there are on track to deliver 2 million vaccines. If you don't see these facts, you are so messed up I really feel sorry for you.[/QUOTE]Even Macron told he made mistakes, but I m with him when he tried to let our schools opened, even spreading vector, but very important for our children, for education but also mental, and we really don't need a crazy Trump, nor crazy Bolzonaro, nor even crazy hair Johnson, in EU. We just have to learn to protect better and now keep our vaccine production to protect our citizens who need. Not only deaths from covid, but other damages like mental.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2547897]About 9 or 10 months ago I made a prediction here on ISG that 30 million people would die by the end of 2021. As I recall, there were a handful of people here basically calling me insane, and one guy called me Thanos. Some of these people (I might look it up later) are among the wannabe doctors here on the forum. I call them useless garbage.[/QUOTE]Do you mean 30 million Covid deaths by end of 2021? I think the current count is at 2.87 million with 9 months to go.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2548030]You probably do not understand or you pretend not to understand. Lockdowns work if people observe the rules. How else would you stop a communicable disease, genius? Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca never accepted any funds from Trump administration for the development of vaccines. Trump was the one, who said Covid is 'like a flu and would disappear like a miracle with the warm weather by Easter (2020)' and that he proposed to use the flu vaccine for covid because 'he gets these things'! Trump even got vaccinated before leaving the Withe House, but he did not advertise it because he needs the support of retarded people like you, who don't believe in science. Biden set up the whole vaccination programme in US and there are on track to deliver 2 million vaccines. If you don't see these facts, you are so messed up I really feel sorry for you.[/QUOTE]People aren't sheep's, many will never follow the lockdown "rules", that's the human side of it. That's why I said lockdowns don't work. Same as even if you want people to follow border laws, illegals continue to cross the borders into Europe or USA unless you have walls. Laws alone without walls don't work. Same reason they have walls in the Frankfurt airport besides the polizei to check your visa and passport before you get in Germany. You get it now?
Perhaps Shoobree and Mursenary need their own forum where they can flame. Let's get back to ravishing young beauties and a happy life like before COVID.
Virii and proteins are stupidly complex and ever changing. Let's hope this is not a perpetual marketing and monetization scam.
I would not put it past big pharma to create a perpetual vaccine wheel or stupid / corrupt politicians. In fact I assume that to be the case and the population lacks critical skills to assess data. That is why the politicians are so bad. They reflect the ignorant and manipulated rabble. The examples of mass delusion are numerous, like wars, religion (s), mass hysteria etc etc.
What matters is the world opening like a return to 2018 rather than a perpetually isolated no fun zone and economic destruction. I got my shots to travel and ravish beautiful young women. Seriously though, if this COVID isolation becomes a way a life, what will it mean for supply chains and stranded "people" assets like airports, hotels, restaurants, airplanes, schools, stadiums and commercial buildings? And the banks and pension funds that invested in them on a set of assumptions that seems to be presently absent and may become permanently absent? Will the folks on this board be the last witnesses of an idyllic time of Roman style orgies in a club with a 100+ gorgeous beauties we can have at will? I feel so bad for the next generation of young men that will miss out. Same for restaurants and indeed much of life itself. Is life ever going to be fun again, in a way we can recognize?
Vets are smarter than most human doctors, they have to know a lot more anatomy and biochemistry for starters, so just because someone is a vert is no automatic disqualification. I'd listen to a virii specialist more than anyone, all I know is that proteins are fantastically complicated and changing, so much so it is amazing anything works at all. What is certain is more virii, perhaps deadly, perhaps not, we have lived with them since we crawled out of the ocean*.
What will happen if this keeps up? The reaction has been a economic and social disaster for the relative death rate. The cure may be worse than the disease. Maybe the real issue is people not accepting death as inevitable and pretending there is certainty with modern medicine when that is bullshit. Quality of life matters too, if not more. Who wants to be a medial trophy and source of doctor fees with tubes up the butt? All the statistics on infection and death do not measure misery and poverty the "cure" causes and mass economic and social destruction as a comparative.
The clubs are the least of our problems. We need airlines, restaurants and indeed the framework of life itself. Has it ended as civil liberties are to 9/11?
*Fox news viewers know the world started about 5000 years ago by go and evolution is made up. Your views are acknowledged along with the flat earth.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2548083]I did stop taking my meds, all except one. Took my Viagra just for you sugar cheeks.[/QUOTE]Hey Nursenary, our 'favourite rambling CCP Troll: how's the weather in China?
#) Care to comment about relevant things, like why the AZ "vaccine" doesn't work against the South African Strain?
#) Care to comment on that the German RKI is also run by a veterinarian? (since according to you, veterinarians are inferior when I post a story by Belgian vaccine expert Geert vanden Bossche).
#) Care to comment about YOUR prediction that "with late March / April looking to show the first signs of normalcy?" (By the way, we're talking about German FKK clubs in, wait for it, Germany, and not about "the UK and Portugal".
#) Care to comment about Merkel floating trial balloons for "a MEGA lockdown?" [URL]https://www.bz-berlin.de/deutschland/merkel-will-mega-lockdown-notfalls-durch-ein-neues-gesetz[/URL].
Fact is, you've been consistently WRONG about everything; lockdowns, vaccine efficacies, reopening FKK clubs, EVERYTHING, and with your insults to other forum users you display your true primitive character and a total lack of IQ.
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2547921], and vaginas are only about 4"-5" anyway with some stretch that I personally like to participate in [/QUOTE]Given how obvious it is that you are just another one of Mursenary's alternative handles, I'd guess no.
When that is said, most pussies are 20 cm deep. Meaning 7. 8 inches. When helped by a blood flow tight masseuse guru in Macau, another masseuse at the same sauna came over and measured mine at 7 inches (18 cm) exactly (from the belly side of course). It is hard to manage that myself when holding a measuring device without expert help since large parts of dick is always hidden inside, but I suspect when inside a hot girl it has reached that point other times too. And I never get the feeling I reach a limit. I go balls deep on every girl. Only maybe 10-20% say it's too big, and only girls younger than 23 years old. And I only go for below average height girls. Even with the most petite girls 1. 50 m tall, the massive majority have at least 7 inch deep pussies.
Whoever told you they are just 4-5 inches got to be trying to just help your self esteem. For some reason.
Even little Chinese girl 1.55 m tall from Changsha wanted to marry my cock. Biggest she had ever had she claimed. That's what I love about China. Feels like I get into Virginia territory even when they are 25 years old.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2548136]Do you mean 30 million Covid deaths by end of 2021? I think the current count is at 2.87 million with 9 months to go.[/QUOTE]But I said only 20-30% will be counted. Ergo at 3 m counted deaths, I predict 10-15 m has really died.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2548193]Hey Nursenary, our 'favourite rambling CCP Troll: how's the weather in China?
#) Care to comment about relevant things, like why the AZ "vaccine" doesn't work against the South African Strain?
#) Care to comment on that the German RKI is also run by a veterinarian? (since according to you, veterinarians are inferior when I post a story by Belgian vaccine expert Geert vanden Bossche).
#) Care to comment about YOUR prediction that "with late March / April looking to show the first signs of normalcy?" (By the way, we're talking about German FKK clubs in, wait for it, Germany, and not about "the UK and Portugal".
#) Care to comment about Merkel floating trial balloons for "a MEGA lockdown?" [URL]https://www.bz-berlin.de/deutschland/merkel-will-mega-lockdown-notfalls-durch-ein-neues-gesetz[/URL].
Fact is, you've been consistently WRONG about everything; lockdowns, vaccine efficacies, reopening FKK clubs, EVERYTHING, and with your insults to other forum users you display your true primitive character and a total lack of IQ.[/QUOTE]China's a big country so I'm guessing it varies a lot. It's low 20_Cs in southern USA.
1# If you read past the headlines you'll see that AZ produced zero hospitalized patients. Effective.
2# Yes, vets are well educated health professionals and their work in many ways is much harder than human physicians.
3# We have different parameters regarding the topic.
4# Don't know. No opinion.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2548153]People aren't sheep's, many will never follow the lockdown "rules", that's the human side of it. That's why I said lockdowns don't work. Same as even if you want people to follow border laws, illegals continue to cross the borders into Europe or USA unless you have walls. Laws alone without walls don't work. Same reason they have walls in the Frankfurt airport besides the polizei to check your visa and passport before you get in Germany. You get it now?[/QUOTE]This is true. Extended lockdowns will eventually fail because people eventually need to be people. Humans are social beings and are a bit dependent on each other. But that's the dilemma, without intervention, casualties would be a magnitude higher.
What's the solution? Completely open and reach herd immunity naturally? You would have April 2020 NYC death rates all over the world. If you use Brazil and Mexico as poster boards for "zero restrictions to herd immunity," you see that they're still nowhere near close to achieving that, even after a year.
I believe that vaccinations is the straightest line to solving the pandemic problem, obviously others do not.
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2548186]Perhaps Shoobree and Mursenary need their own forum where they can flame. Let's get back to ravishing young beauties and a happy life like before COVID.[/QUOTE]Fuck you nerd.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2548195]But I said only 20-30% will be counted. Ergo at 3 m counted deaths, I predict 10-15 m has really died.[/QUOTE]Anything to support the 20-30% claim? I know that it is claimed that some countries (eg Russia, Mexico, Brasil) undercount Covid deaths based on their excess mortality in 2020 but it wasn't a global phenomenon.
I have heard a lot more people claiming that Covid death numbers are exaggerated to make people comply with the restrictions.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2548094]Stop acting innocent, you're the instigator of bad behavior and unacceptable personal attacks against me and other members. You're the troll. You're the one guilty of being a hypocrite.[/QUOTE]Please, show me where I attacked you, called you names, Trolled or Gaslighted you. I may as well throw what if and cancel in here just to cover down. Me too, I can't believe I used all that hypersensitive internet slang in one post. If I do decide to unleash on you it will be obvious.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2548242]I believe that vaccinations is the straightest line to solving the pandemic problem, obviously others do not.[/QUOTE]HT's favorite virologist Geert Vanden Bossche believes that too. His quote from 26.03: "I am now convinced that the only way to get rid of this pandemic is to use vaccines capable to eradicate C19 and all its variants."
There might be a need for booster shots at some point, but the faster the current vaccines get in people's arms the less of a chance of a variant with real immunological escape. UK variant is under control in the UK where they had enough doses. While US should have solid vaccination rates by July, EU will take months longer, I wonder how many. And then there's the rest of the world.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2548195]But I said only 20-30% will be counted. Ergo at 3 m counted deaths, I predict 10-15 m has really died.[/QUOTE]With Brazil, we will go much over 3 millions deaths on this year and when we have in France, people who had 2 doses vaccine and positive again after to covid, or famous football player Marco Verratti. It twice positive in less than 3 months, so not finished to spread from mutants, and will be deaths from consequences: mental, new poverty, economy problems, for next years. Fortunately, most people forget very fast.
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2548186]Perhaps Shoobree and Mursenary need their own forum where they can flame. Let's get back to ravishing young beauties and a happy life like before COVID.[/QUOTE]I'm always surprised, when no decision to save the world taken here, but when all guys claim to be clever businessman to girls, but most of them here and same on French language forum, are not clever enough to be able to accept other opinions, even we can disagree, but other opinions can be interesting, or not, but this is just call tolerance, open mind, cleverness, which seem quite rare for real in this business. When some bullshiting specialists more interested by guys than able with girls, when some fakers, but not so big problem to change my life or way to think, accepting other opinions. For some, even I won t invite him for holidays, even I don t understand he needs to tell about my girls when I don t name them to protect them from some of my followers or some girls asking me not to name them nor to write sexual or private details, even I'm really happy when some of my followers need to tell me my girls are not good for them, but they are not me, but Chongmal is not not what I call a faker troll, we just disagree, but at least I don't need to tell about his girls or to make his girls reading his writings, we have just very different behavior, maybe US versus France, when I also don't need to support clubs or girls business, when I don't care, but just look for woman types and needing to eat. As EMA told me on our last day, Friday 6 October 2017, when we started together as weekly usual, but when chatting later in the afternoon: today you can be happy, I have no business, so I'm fully free for you, same like on polizei controls I attended at LR, with guys leaving like rabbits, great days and also on our last one for me, even I refused on next week, but I wish her a great woman life and to be free for her money. At least, great conclusion for our sexual way together, when she was so low level on discovery, even at high level at this time LR since 3 weeks, but became so enjoyable improving so much, I think I could have gone weekly and only with her for as long she worked, but I need interesting attractive image.
As say girls, we are all different, and with different cultures, different educations and experiences with women, quite normal to have different opinions about girls and else.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2547957]On his website Geert Vanden Bossche says "Mass infection prevention and mass vaccination with leaky Covid-19 vaccines in the midst of the pandemic can only breed highly infectious variants" first thing, right on top of his website.
Two important points to mention about this sentence.
First point, "leaky vaccines". Leaky vaccines are vaccines that don't significantly affect transmission. Sadly for you, there are more and more studies showing that the current vaccines significantly reduce transmission. Initially these studies were not a priority, but now they are showing up.
Second point, leaky vaccines breed highly infectious variants, because they put evolutionary pressure on the virus. Even this is debatable, but let me just point that all of UK variant, South African variant and Manaus variant showed up before mass vaccinations in those areas, because, duh, the more the virus circulates, the more likely for a new variant to show up.
Now, we could go into the rebuttals of the rest of his argumentation, but I'll just add his conclusion in his doc from 26.03 "I am now convinced that the only way to get rid of this pandemic is to use vaccines capable to eradicate C19 and all its variants. There can be no doubt that such vaccines ought to operate according to a completely different principle..[/QUOTE]Admittingly, I don't often watch the long video links posted here, such as the ones posted by the OP.
But this rebuke to the OP's claim was conveniently ignored. Such is the norm.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2548153]People aren't sheep's, many will never follow the lockdown "rules", that's the human side of it. That's why I said lockdowns don't work. Same as even if you want people to follow border laws, illegals continue to cross the borders into Europe or USA unless you have walls. Laws alone without walls don't work. Same reason they have walls in the Frankfurt airport besides the polizei to check your visa and passport before you get in Germany. You get it now?[/QUOTE]If everyone had followed the rules during the first lockdown, we would probably be in a much better situation now. Saying that we should not have rules because SOME people would go on and break them anyway is such an idiotic statement that does not even deserve an answer. What do walls have to do with Covid, your mind is so messed up, mate! You may be one of those 'special' people that God loves!
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2548243]Fuck you nerd.[/QUOTE]LOL! Way to try and distance yourself from your alternate handle.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2547959]...Otherwise, some of you older mongers can kiss "the chances of going back to FKK" goodbye for your lifetime....[/QUOTE]Well, at least I'm grateful I have the memories such as Marie De. and Romanians Simona and Sarah, Oase, circa 2011.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2548307]Anything to support the 20-30% claim? I know that it is claimed that some countries (eg Russia, Mexico, Brasil) undercount Covid deaths based on their excess mortality in 2020 but it wasn't a global phenomenon.
I have heard a lot more people claiming that Covid death numbers are exaggerated to make people comply with the restrictions.[/QUOTE]Doubtful. On the other hand, while the accuracy of covid deaths should be questioned, we can track excess mortality in most countries to much greater accuracy.
Even in the countries with the largest excess deaths such as Mexico, Brazil, and Russia, max excess deaths sits around 50% with only a week here and there where excess deaths reached 100-200% but only for that week or month, not the entire year.
The claim that 3-5 x more deaths occurred is not backed up by the rise in total deaths.
Here's a resource that links to several of the world's excess death statistics, updated as they come.
[URL]https://github.com/akarlinsky/world_mortality[/URL]
[QUOTE=RockyV;2548406]If everyone had followed the rules during the first lockdown, we would probably be in a much better situation now. Saying that we should not have rules because SOME people would go on and break them anyway is such an idiotic statement that does not even deserve an answer. What do walls have to do with Covid, your mind is so messed up, mate! You may be one of those 'special' people that God loves![/QUOTE]He may be using the point to push his personal position but he is right when he questions the efficacy of lock downs because people will ultimately not abide by the rules. You can tell people to eat healthy and exercise but most will not follow through. When the people are noncompliant with recommendations, what do you do? Keep with an ideal plan of care that works in theory but not effective in real life? Or prescribe the the antihypertensive and insulin to address their hypertension and diabetes?
What he doesn't distinguish and some others have alluded, they can be effective for a short while to buy time. But a year is a bit too much and is not practical, hence the promotion of mask wearing and vaccinations as the most practical strategies to solve the pandemic. But as we can see, there are parties who offer no effective strategies and only criticism at every strategy short of take Vitamin_D and lock up all the old people.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2548039]When UK have record for deaths in Europe = 126 000 , but seem 21 millions vaccine they got from EU, with now having around 50/60% vaccine, help for less deaths now there and I m happy for them. Unfortunately, they brought us their mutant now killing continental Europe on 2021, when lack of vaccine for our citizens, when we sent them our vaccine production. EU have to protect much more and wish heat will help, waiting to produce more vaccine and keeping for us, like do UK, US and India.[/QUOTE]You say "sent" them vaccines. That doesn't paint the most accurate representation which would be that they deliberately [B]purchased[/B] more vaccines. That implies that their government chose a more effective plan of action.
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2548189]Vets are smarter than human vets: virii scientists smarter than both..[/QUOTE]Obviously an attempt at a dig but ranking and basing "smarts" on professional training is overly simplistic at best. You don't have to have elite intelligence to perform any of the the duties of your listed professions, just some above average baseline ability with dedicated hard work. There are plenty of robot-minded medical professionals that just did the grunt work to get to where they are. Alternatively, I know a lot of genius level engineers working routine maintenance jobs who either just chased money or became complacent with job security and family life.
That being said, vets must learn a larger breadth of anatomy and physiology, but in practice do not have to keep up with nearly as much of the ever changing advancements in medical science, not to mention navigating as many social / ethical obstacles and institutional / legal red tape when practicing their craft.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2548406]If everyone had followed the rules during the first lockdown, we would probably be in a much better situation now. Saying that we should not have rules because SOME people would go on and break them anyway is such an idiotic statement that does not even deserve an answer. What do walls have to do with Covid, your mind is so messed up, mate! You may be one of those 'special' people that God loves![/QUOTE]Nobody and even medical know much about covid and still now. Around 6 months ago, nobody knew what mutants will be, now killing EU. Some with 2 doses vaccine are positive again, some catch covid twice in less than 3 months. Wish weak to be protected not to die, and others will have to live with virus, mutants, and mask I hate. Have to wait virus will be bored of humans and prefer to return to beautiful pangolins.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2548307]Anything to support the 20-30% claim? I know that it is claimed that some countries (eg Russia, Mexico, Brasil) undercount Covid deaths based on their excess mortality in 2020 but it wasn't a global phenomenon.
I have heard a lot more people claiming that Covid death numbers are exaggerated to make people comply with the restrictions.[/QUOTE]And what do you think about Chinese figures? Other country where we can disappear with no human rights.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2548406]If everyone had followed the rules during the first lockdown, we would probably be in a much better situation now. Saying that we should not have rules because SOME people would go on and break them anyway is such an idiotic statement that does not even deserve an answer. What do walls have to do with Covid, your mind is so messed up, mate! You may be one of those 'special' people that God loves![/QUOTE]OK, let me dumb it down for you.
The whole concept of "If everyone had followed the rules" is meaningless. Anyone with half a brain knows everyone won't follow these "rules". I'm not saying all laws and rules are meaningless, but any law or rule that totally depends on "everyone" to follow it to the T for it's success, is totally meaningless and extraneous, and sometimes (like these lockdowns) are actually detrimental.
And that my friend, is the reason for this ginormous Covid failure of Europe lead by libtard power hungry Nazi-type leaders like Markel and Macron (side note, we might as well call them M&M).
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2548307]Anything to support the 20-30% claim? I know that it is claimed that some countries (eg Russia, Mexico, Brasil) undercount Covid deaths based on their excess mortality in 2020 but it wasn't a global phenomenon.
I have heard a lot more people claiming that Covid death numbers are exaggerated to make people comply with the restrictions.[/QUOTE]Some countries? Even the most developed part of Italy undercounted by 40%. (67% unaccounted deaths). In Africa the excess deaths are staggering. But you don't look at Africa it seems. Same with India.
To give you an idea about Africa:
Pre pandemic, Sub Sahara Africa had a lower average death rate than the entire world (due to increases in lifespan, and a large buffer there compared to the rest of the world). Now the total death rate there is double that of the global average. Africa isn't even counting 5% of total deaths. And India isn't much better considering the even higher population density there. Maybe India is counting 10%. Maximum!
And if you are too lazy to Google yourself than I pity your uselessness!
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2548530]Nobody and even medical know much about covid and still now. Around 6 months ago, nobody knew what mutants will be, now killing EU. Some with 2 doses vaccine are positive again, some catch covid twice in less than 3 months. Wish weak to be protected not to die, and others will have to live with virus, mutants, and mask I hate. Have to wait virus will be bored of humans and prefer to return to beautiful pangolins.[/QUOTE]By not knowing much, I have no idea what you mean. We pretty much know exactly how it affects the body and if given a person's medical history with baseline laboratory bloodwork, imaging, and various other baseline diagnostics, we can predict how the case will play out in each individual. Transmission has already been determined that it typically transmits by mainly by respiratory droplets despite the media's use of the term "airborne. " Simple masks have been advocated since last summer. Do we have all of the therapies to combat disease progression once it takes hold? That's another matter.
Don't confuse public misinformation with the what we do and do not know.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2548530]Nobody and even medical know much about covid and still now. Around 6 months ago, nobody knew what mutants will be, now killing EU.[/QUOTE]The potential for a more dangerous mutation always existed and there were warnings very early in the pandemic.
From March 2020:
[QUOTE][b]Like all viruses, SARS-CoV-2 evolves over time through random mutations[/b], only some of which are caught and corrected by the viruss error correction machinery. Over the length of its 30,000-base-pair genome, SARS-CoV-2 accumulates an average of about one to two mutations per month, Rambaut says.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/mutations-can-reveal-how-coronavirus-moves-they-re-easy-overinterpret[/QUOTE]From May 2020:
[QUOTE]A mutation can affect a virus in a number of ways, but only certain kinds of mutations might make the virus more dangerous to people. Perhaps the change shields the virus from the immune system, or makes it resistant to treatments. [b]Mutations could also alter how easily the virus spreads among people or cause shifts in disease severity.[/b]
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid19-mutations-strains-variants.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gino02;2548571]OK, let me dumb it down for you.
The whole concept of "If everyone had followed the rules" is meaningless. Anyone with half a brain knows everyone won't follow these "rules". I'm not saying all laws and rules are meaningless, but any law or rule that totally depends on "everyone" to follow it to the T for it's success, is totally meaningless and extraneous, and sometimes (like these lockdowns) are actually detrimental.
And that my friend, is the reason for this ginormous Covid failure of Europe lead by libtard power hungry Nazi-type leaders like Markel and Macron (side note, we might as well call them M&M).[/QUOTE]Lockdowns are a terrible blunt tool. But they reduce the risk of transmission the stricter they are and the stricter they are enforced. See China, Australia, New Zealand. One is a totalitarian state, the other two are democracies.
The fact that you put lib and Nazi in the same sentence shows how brain washed you have become. Is Fox already too MSM for you?
You bring up Merkel or Macron as failures, but do you realize that the orange bloated buffoon is the laughing stock of the entire planet?
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2548535]And what do you think about Chinese figures? Other country where we can disappear with no human rights.[/QUOTE]Chinese figures are whatever Chinese government wants them to be, take them with a truckload of salt. But I don't think that it means that instead of globally under 3 millions deaths right now, we have 15 million deaths today. We probably don't have correct excess mortality numbers from China either, but for China to have a large number of deaths in the last few months, they would have had large number of infections. Then they would have areas with strict lockdowns, because they are not shy about that and we didn't hear of anything like that.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2548535] Other country where we can disappear with no human rights.[/QUOTE]Cute how you bring up again human rights. You were proven wrong again and again, yet you keep coming back with this BS. Please go to China and start insulting the police. Then report back on the differences how you were treated.
It was your own choice that you went to jail instead of paying a few hundred francs. I wonder how many people think that was an intelligent choice. If you believe you were right, you should do it again.
The fine was according to the law and like I showed you earlier, the owner of the car is responsible. The radar warning device was confiscated according to the law.
Actually I believe the situation is not that difference in France, "land of freedom". If you contest that you were driving the car caught speeding, you have to provide the details of the driver: [URL]https://www.antai.gouv.fr/searchFaq[/URL]#11793.
Radar warning devices are illegal and will be confiscated: [URL]https://www.sixt.co.uk/magazine/travel/speed-camera-detector-laws/[/URL].
"all precise speed camera detection technology is illegal – whether you are using the device in your car or not. So do not have a device in your car whilst you are driving irrespective of it is turned on. This includes GPS and sat nav systems displaying fixed speed camera locations. Penalties can be harsh: a fine of up to €1,500, confiscation of the device and potentially of the vehicle."
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2548522]Obviously an attempt at a dig but ranking and basing "smarts" on professional training is overly simplistic at best. You don't have to have elite intelligence to perform any of the the duties of your listed professions, just some above average baseline ability with dedicated hard work. There are plenty of robot-minded medical professionals that just did the grunt work to get to where they are. Alternatively, I know a lot of genius level engineers working routine maintenance jobs who either just chased money or became complacent with job security and family life.
That being said, vets must learn a larger breadth of anatomy and physiology, but in practice do not have to keep up with nearly as much of the ever changing advancements in medical science, not to mention navigating as many social / ethical obstacles and institutional / legal red tape when practicing their craft.[/QUOTE]I know it's and=1, but I don't know any vet who is intellectually brilliant, they seem to be all nice. I have respect for doctors, because they have to go through a long and tough school. Ok, some specializations are easy life once they have their practice.
The most intellectually brilliant people I know are some math or physics PhDs from some top schools. They sold their souls and work for investment banks or hedge funds. They say they are bored to death at work, but they relax when they drive home in the Aston Martin.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2548571]OK, let me dumb it down for you.
The whole concept of "If everyone had followed the rules" is meaningless. Anyone with half a brain knows everyone won't follow these "rules". I'm not saying all laws and rules are meaningless, but any law or rule that totally depends on "everyone" to follow it to the T for it's success, is totally meaningless and extraneous, and sometimes (like these lockdowns) are actually detrimental.
And that my friend, is the reason for this ginormous Covid failure of Europe lead by libtard power hungry Nazi-type leaders like Markel and Macron (side note, we might as well call them M&M).[/QUOTE]It would have been enough that more people would have followed the rules and things would look very different now. Do you think New Zealanders, Australians, South Koreans or Japanese are aliens? They followed the rules there and they succeeded. In New Zealand they have restarted going to concerts! So, don't tell me that it is not possible. If Trump and Bolsonaro hadn't said that this was just a flu and it was going to disappear with the warm weather, now you would have a lot fewer deaths in those countries.
Also you seem to like the lib word, but Macron and Merkel are actually more conservative politically than liberal. The problem now is that every time someone says the word conservative, you immediately think of mentally-retarded / corrupt politicians like Trump, Bolsonaro and Boris Johnson.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2548489]You say "sent" them vaccines. That doesn't paint the most accurate representation which would be that they deliberately [B]purchased[/B] more vaccines. That implies that their government chose a more effective plan of action.[/QUOTE]EU is third vaccine producer, before UK. EU sent 21 millions, UK kept all their production, not sending back any. I don't think it was the deal. I wish EU will now keep for our citizens who need.
Saarland is starting to reopen a bit, but nothing about brothels, when peak should be on April when sometimes still cold with snow.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2548579]Some countries? Even the most developed part of Italy undercounted by 40%. (67% unaccounted deaths). In Africa the excess deaths are staggering. But you don't look at Africa it seems. Same with India.[/QUOTE]If you know a good source that aggregates the data then share it.
Mursenary has a point: we know the demographic at risk and progression. We know that governments tell whoppers, use propaganda and silence dissent by secrecy laws, defamation and so on according to whatever agenda and priorities they have. The CPI figures that exclude housing costs and "jobs" statistics are utter BS. Want some fun? Just go to you tube and looks at say Stalin comes to Berlin movie (hilarious), British Pathe and in the USA Corenet Instructional. Same mass brainwashing. Cultural Revolution is also funny and slapstick, but the consequences tragic. Same with the anti semitic BS. Fox News. And many/most lefty media and virtue signalling. The masses are pretty gullible and the politicians know it and exploit it.
Regardless of morality, COVID is two things, overwhelming hospital beds / staff and the nasty choice of rationing, the old 65+ or the 20 year old and that in turn is traded off against the economy and who controls it. Right now, financial services is about 40% GDP of major western economies and is dominated by baby boomers who own the loot and pay lobbyists heavily to keep the status quo. The politicians make noises but nothing to seriously change the carve up are reining in finance to a tiny single digit GDP. The same baby boomers control the COVID narrative out of rational self interest, albeit selfish. This is a a really big driver. I make no comment in the fairness, just the actual power dynamic.
To get really sick you basically need to be 65+ and / or obese (usual leakages and exceptions). Policy makers are copying each other with a dick size statistics war / propaganda. What they apparently don't realize is that this has permanently revolutionized the workplace and urban centres with remote work with huge impact on asset prices. My real worry is we are entering into a vaccine subscription model like a new smartphone every year / car or operating system that will dictate participation in border crossings etc. The economic dislocation is bad enough.
Let's hope our clubs will survive. Oase is probably gathering dust and deserted. Before it was full of life and girls being pounded by men in their prime enjoying the sexual summit and deep primal urge. Lots of chilled guys, grinning like kids. I cannot wait until Thailand opens or Deutschland. The soft touch of beautiful young women smiling and.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2548719]It would have been enough that more people would have followed the rules and things would look very different now. Do you think New Zealanders, Australians, South Koreans or Japanese are aliens? They followed the rules there and they succeeded. In New Zealand they have restarted going to concerts! So, don't tell me that it is not possible. If Trump and Bolsonaro hadn't said that this was just a flu and it was going to disappear with the warm weather, now you would have a lot fewer deaths in those countries.
Also you seem to like the lib word, but Macron and Merkel are actually more conservative politically than liberal. The problem now is that every time someone says the word conservative, you immediately think of mentally-retarded / corrupt politicians like Trump, Bolsonaro and Boris Johnson.[/QUOTE]Doesn't matter "if enough people followed the rules", they didn't, right? So net net it's the failure of that strategy. "What if" isn't practical in these cases. Same like "if someone like Trump was leading Europe with full control, FKKs would be open all along", but that's not the case, right? Just give it up man, simply admit that "lockdowns are a failed strategy", ok? Kapish?
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2548733]EU is third vaccine producer, before UK. EU sent 21 millions, UK kept all their production, not sending back any. I don't think it was the deal. I wish EU will now keep for our citizens who need.[/QUOTE]Deal? There was a deal between UK and EU? Is that true?
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2548733]EU is third vaccine producer, before UK. EU sent 21 millions, UK kept all their production, not sending back any. I don't think it was the deal. I wish EU will now keep for our citizens who need.
Saarland is starting to reopen a bit, but nothing about brothels, when peak should be on April when sometimes still cold with snow.[/QUOTE]The nasty old UK got their act together & signed vaccine contracts early then paid a high rate for them. The EU in their typical bureaucratic way dithered, argued for a cheaper price and now are paying the consequences for a delayed supply. It's pathetic of you & others to blame the UK for the inadequacies of the EU machine.
As much as I greatly dislike Johnson's government and the Brexit fall out they did at least get something right in procuring the vaccine contracts quickly & efficiency as opposed to the EU.
So stop blaming the UK and start looking at Ursula von der Leyen and her cronies.
I want Europe to sort itself out so that I can enjoy the delights of FKK Clubs again!
And don't forget Countries don't make the vaccine & sell it but private companies do. It's up to the Countries to secure decent contracts with those Companies which makes it irrelevant whether the vaccine is made in the UK or EU.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2548678]Cute how you bring up again human rights. You were proven wrong again and again, yet you keep coming back with this BS. Please go to China and start insulting the police. Then report back on the differences how you were treated.
It was your own choice that you went to jail instead of paying a few hundred francs. I wonder how many people think that was an intelligent choice. If you believe you were right, you should do it again.
The fine was according to the law and like I showed you earlier, the owner of the car is responsible. The radar warning device was confiscated according to the law.[/QUOTE]A bad guy like me never provided details about other driver, I m not a Donald, and I was never put in jail in France, nor Germany. When I tell my story to German girls working in Switzerland, they look at me with round eyes, finding Swiss administration ridiculous, I would say shameful, when I was too polite to accept to follow polizei on Rheinfelden border control. But when they refused to let me give only 1 call, maybe they didn't want I could call a lawyer who would have asked them to give their proves about me, when they had 0 , but they prefer to put pressure on you to make you pay, but I m not a good client for this, I trained hard to resist to pressure, even when they threatened me to put me in small room with no window when I insulted them and kicked in the door, when I disappeared like if I was in China, when Albanian drugs dealers told me I should stop, but I didn't, they did let me have 1 call, not enough, so I kept on and they put me in small room with only little light for around 24 hours, but when I refused foods or to answer them, they didn't have balls to let me there, bringing me back with Albanians and what a welcome from them, they loved my foods I didn't want to eat and looked at me when they didn't want to be sent off Switzerland. After, their robbery and messe in my car, when don't speak to me in my language, I will refuse to follow them on next time, lawyer for me, or they will have to take risk. And of course I wish to see a prince climbing on his white carbon light bicycle climbing alone, in Gran San Bernardino on August, I will be there and I m sure I will be able to climb, on my French alloy bicycle which climbed all the steepest since few years.
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2548807]Mursenary has a point:[/QUOTE]Please stop talking about yourself in 3rd person. This is getting rather stupid!
[QUOTE=RockyV;2548719]It would have been enough that more people would have followed the rules and things would look very different now. Do you think New Zealanders, Australians, South Koreans or Japanese are aliens? They followed the rules there and they succeeded. In New Zealand they have restarted going to concerts! So, don't tell me that it is not possible. If Trump and Bolsonaro hadn't said that this was just a flu and it was going to disappear with the warm weather, now you would have a lot fewer deaths in those countries.
Also you seem to like the lib word, but Macron and Merkel are actually more conservative politically than liberal. The problem now is that every time someone says the word conservative, you immediately think of mentally-retarded / corrupt politicians like Trump, Bolsonaro and Boris Johnson.[/QUOTE]Well the word conservative basically means 'scared of changes'.
However the tea party movement are hardly scared of change. So the wording of the US political parties are outdated. 'Conservative' is better used to describe the establishment. But who cares right? 95% are brainwashed anyway and unable to think for themselves.
And to Phallus Maximus (Nursenary): Africa and India won't be fully vaccinated before by the end of next year. So the virus has a long time to mutate away from current vaccines. Only imbeciles believe that the slow vaccination pace is not planned.
Swizz guy: just improve your googling skills. Geez!
[QUOTE=Chongmal;2548308]Please, show me where I attacked you, called you names, Trolled or Gaslighted you. I may as well throw what if and cancel in here just to cover down. Me too, I can't believe I used all that hypersensitive internet slang in one post. If I do decide to unleash on you it will be obvious.[/QUOTE]I've already exposed your personal attacks against me and others and it's obvious to everyone that you're a hypocritical troll.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2548852]Doesn't matter "if enough people followed the rules", they didn't, right? So net net it's the failure of that strategy. "What if" isn't practical in these cases. Same like "if someone like Trump was leading Europe with full control, FKKs would be open all along", but that's not the case, right? Just give it up man, simply admit that "lockdowns are a failed strategy", ok? Kapish?[/QUOTE]As I partially agreed with you before, I'll also say „lockdowns are a failed strategy" is also not completely true. Again, Examples of New Zealand, Australia, SE Asia, etc show that they work when enforced or if the specific population complies. And for many nations, lock downs worked for several months until holiday season. They obviously work, just with the stipulation that their effectiveness correlates to the degree to which they can be enforced.
I have to agree with Sirioja here. Here the Swiss government attempted to find a person without a hearing to determine the validity of the fine. Moreover, the owner of the car is not responsible if the owner of the car was not properly served with a violation and moreover it violates due process to punish a person who was not the person who committed the infraction. The underlying statute should be challenged as violating the Swiss constitution and hopefully it can be struck down and Switzerland forced to hold hearings and provide appeals prior to fining anyone. The confiscation of the radar detector also bring up a double jeopardy defense since confiscation amounts to a de facto fine at least the value of the radar detector and therefore to add an additional punishment basically is unlawful since the driver is punished twice for the same offense. Hopefully the Swiss constitution has a double jeopardy prohibition in it. Also they need to provide interpreters at all court hearings for people who don't speak the language of that canton.
Moreover if they are imprisoning a person they need to provide an appointed attorney free of charge.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2548678]Cute how you bring up again human rights. You were proven wrong again and again, yet you keep coming back with this BS. Please go to China and start insulting the police. Then report back on the differences how you were treated.
It was your own choice that you went to jail instead of paying a few hundred francs. I wonder how many people think that was an intelligent choice. If you believe you were right, you should do it again.
The fine was according to the law and like I showed you earlier, the owner of the car is responsible. The radar warning device was confiscated according to the law.
Actually I believe the situation is not that difference in France, "land of freedom". If you contest that you were driving the car caught speeding, you have to provide the details of the driver: [URL]https://www.antai.gouv.fr/searchFaq[/URL]#11793..[/QUOTE]
I haven't had any human contact in a year, so I'm itching to break out.
Oase and Sharks are some of my favorites places, but they're not open yet, so they're out of the question.
Montreal would be my second choice but the border from the USA Is not yet open.
Friends tell me that Tijuana is open but dead.
So where would you go?
Rio? Cases are high in Brazil and Bolsonaro seems like a nut job.
Switzerland? I like the Globe FKK set-up but it's pretty pricey.
Ukraine? Colombia? United Kingdom?
[QUOTE=Pistons;2548883] Swizz guy: just improve your googling skills. Geez![/QUOTE]OK, so you have no sources, you just pulled something out of your back pocket.
BTW, I am not Swiss, if that is what you meant by "Swizz".
[QUOTE=DrPoon;2548929]I have to agree with Sirioja here. Here the Swiss government attempted to find a person without a hearing to determine the validity of the fine. Moreover, the owner of the car is not responsible if the owner of the car was not properly served with a violation and moreover it violates due process to punish a person who was not the person who committed the infraction. The underlying statute should be challenged as violating the Swiss constitution and hopefully it can be struck down and Switzerland forced to hold hearings and provide appeals prior to fining anyone. The confiscation of the radar detector also bring up a double jeopardy defense since confiscation amounts to a de facto fine at least the value of the radar detector and therefore to add an additional punishment basically is unlawful since the driver is punished twice for the same offense. Hopefully the Swiss constitution has a double jeopardy prohibition in it. Also they need to provide interpreters at all court hearings for people who don't speak the language of that canton.
Moreover if they are imprisoning a person they need to provide an appointed attorney free of charge.[/QUOTE]You are a bit late to the party. I provided earlier links to a case that was litigated right up to federal court in Switzerland and the underlying law.
Possession of radar detector is a separate offence from speeding, so no double jeopardy.
I don't believe that they didn't speak to him in French. Every Swiss learns at minimum 2 foreign languages starting with primary school. I don't believe in general what he is saying because so many of his posts on other topics that can be verified were all false. Like being stronger and fitter than professional athletes with a 5 million EUR salary.
I definitely believe there are issues with Swiss police, but this BS here is not one of them.
BTW, any Swiss can initiate a change of the federal constitution. Get 100 000 signatures to support the initiative and there will be a vote on it. Swiss constitution changes all the time.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2548871]When I tell my story to German girls working in Switzerland, they look at me with round eyes..[/QUOTE]Why didn't you sue them after all that? There is the European Court for Human Rights in Strasbourg. Why did you keep going to Switzerland after that, after you "disappeared like if I was in China" ?
It's a story you tell to prostitutes to try to impress them. It's a fairy tale like The Emperor's New Clothes. Here is another thing you got wrong, they don't look at you with round eyes. Instead they roll their eyes, thinking how pathetic, here comes another one of those special people.
Why didn't you sue them after all that? There is the European Court for Human Rights in Strasbourg. Why did you keep going to Switzerland after that after you "disappeared like if I was in China" ?
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2548871] ... in Gran San Bernardino on August, I will be there and I m sure I will be able to climb, on my French alloy bicycle which climbed all the steepest since few years.[/QUOTE]You forgot to add, faster than Peter Sagan.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2548871] ... I trained hard to resist to pressure, even when they threatened me to put me in small room with no window when I insulted them and kicked in the door... [/QUOTE]LOL, please do tell about your hard training. Was it RTI training with Commando Jaubert? De Montfort? CPA 10 ? DGSE?
[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2548930]I haven't had any human contact in a year, so I'm itching to break out.
Oase and Sharks are some of my favorites places, but they're not open yet, so they're out of the question.
Montreal would be my second choice but the border from the USA Is not yet open.
Friends tell me that Tijuana is open but dead.
So where would you go?
Rio? Cases are high in Brazil and Bolsonaro seems like a nut job.
Switzerland? I like the Globe FKK set-up but it's pretty pricey.
Ukraine? Colombia? United Kingdom?[/QUOTE]If You can enter Switzerland, Cleo and Zeus are for 120 € 129 CHF for entry with drinks and wellness and 30 mn with a girl. Costa del Sol is also open for 80/30 or 150/60.
[QUOTE=Canary;2548868]The nasty old UK got their act together & signed vaccine contracts early then paid a high rate for them. The EU in their typical bureaucratic way dithered, argued for a cheaper price and now are paying the consequences for a delayed supply. It's pathetic of you & others to blame the UK for the inadequacies of the EU machine.
As much as I greatly dislike Johnson's government and the Brexit fall out they did at least get something right in procuring the vaccine contracts quickly & efficiency as opposed to the EU.
So stop blaming the UK and start looking at Ursula von der Leyen and her cronies.
I want Europe to sort itself out so that I can enjoy the delights of FKK Clubs again!
And don't forget Countries don't make the vaccine & sell it but private companies do. It's up to the Countries to secure decent contracts with those Companies which makes it irrelevant whether the vaccine is made in the UK or EU.[/QUOTE]US has a complete ban on vaccine exports, so countries do have power on the production of vaccines in their territory. The Moderna vaccine that is about to be delivered to UK comes from production plants in France, Switzerland and Spain. EU has exported around 80 million doses, US none, UK none. It has little to do to with the price paid and early contracts. Companies committed to make 'every effort' to honour the contracts although they knew all along they could never get anywhere close to the volumes they agreed to provide. In fact, now they are asking for permission to open new production plants and help from other pharma companies.
[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2548930]I haven't had any human contact in a year, so I'm itching to break out.
Oase and Sharks are some of my favorites places, but they're not open yet, so they're out of the question.
Montreal would be my second choice but the border from the USA Is not yet open.
Friends tell me that Tijuana is open but dead.
So where would you go?
Rio? Cases are high in Brazil and Bolsonaro seems like a nut job.
Switzerland? I like the Globe FKK set-up but it's pretty pricey.
Ukraine? Colombia? United Kingdom?[/QUOTE]Count the UK out for now. Although infections / deaths are extremely low now coming into the country wouldn't be worth it.
Travel from "red" countries to the UK (USA is currently a red country) would involve a ten day quarantine plus paying over £1,700 for a government designated hotel to quarantine in.
However May 17th things will change. But to what extent we don't know other than there will be a few "green" countries which won't involve quarantine when arriving in the UK.
[QUOTE=DrPoon;2548929]I have to agree with Sirioja here. Here the Swiss government attempted to find a person without a hearing to determine the validity of the fine. Moreover, the owner of the car is not responsible if the owner of the car was not properly served with a violation and moreover it violates due process to punish a person who was not the person who committed the infraction. The underlying statute should be challenged as violating the Swiss constitution and hopefully it can be struck down and Switzerland forced to hold hearings and provide appeals prior to fining anyone. The confiscation of the radar detector also bring up a double jeopardy defense since confiscation amounts to a de facto fine at least the value of the radar detector and therefore to add an additional punishment basically is unlawful since the driver is punished twice for the same offense. Hopefully the Swiss constitution has a double jeopardy prohibition in it. Also they need to provide interpreters at all court hearings for people who don't speak the language of that canton.
Moreover if they are imprisoning a person they need to provide an appointed attorney free of charge.[/QUOTE]They just don't respect international laws, nor human rights, they don't let you call anybody, so you just disappear, nobody know what happened to you, your relatives or at work can think You are dead when You can t answer to messages, even they have no proof about your person, but their technique being to put pressure on You to make You pay and to try to find more to make you pay more, when of course they would have a problem with a lawyer, when they have no proof, to put in jail. But when You treat me like a criminal, then we can play, I'm used to pressure. Shameful robbers when only about few kilometers overspeed, only on autobahns and under 120, when I need to brake to drive so slowly, as told UK topgear show: driving in Switzerland lead to jail. My tip about Germany since 2020 , overspeed in towns or works zones can now be a bigger problem when more than 20 km / h overspeed, when overspeed on autobahns are not so big problem and don t lead to jail, even when 100 km / h overspeed. I just laugh when I know guys in Ferrari, Lamborghini, Mac Laren, they must block sequential gears box on first, in Switzerland, good game being to put on M1 to close to maximum engine limit, then to put S1 and kickdown, then running beyond quattro grip, even on full dry, even with super soft tires, others seeming stopped. Of course, 0 alcohol or drug for me, only adrenaline.
7 elderly fully vaccinated patients plus 5 fully vaccinated health personell at a home for the elderly in Norway now had positive covid tests on the Brazilian and SA covid mutations. 50/50 split It seems between the 2 mutations. The ridiculous part of the story is that everyone seems to blame it on the vaccines 'only' giving 90% or 95% immunity! Well, there are only 64 spots on the entire center plus workers!
As was to be expected.
So your vaccine is quite useless.
I was just looking at the mutation rates on John Hopkins website yesterday and it took only 11 months for a strain of covid to reach 34 mutations in the spike protein alone! That was a record mutating speed however. The average is only about 15 mutations on the spike in 12 months. But it is picking up pace in places like India and Africa now as well. Which will counteract the vaccination pace.
Also, as soon you get vaccinated people, the only thing that will happen is that virus strains not affected by the vaccine will take over fully. It will seem like it protects to some degree, but we are really just talking about different curves for different mutation strains.
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2548807]My real worry is we are entering into a vaccine subscription model like a new smartphone every year / car or operating system that will dictate participation in border crossings etc. The economic dislocation is bad enough.[/QUOTE]Of all of the things: social upheaval, financial unpredictability, mental health, sickness, death, permanent changes to social dynamics, etc, and the thing that most worries you is getting a jab every year?
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2548968]OK, so you have no sources, you just pulled something out of your back pocket.
BTW, I am not Swiss, if that is what you meant by "Swizz".[/QUOTE]Here's the kicker, Africa and India officially has a combined death count of 280 K. Even if you hypothetically are ridiculously generous and give him that those numbers are off my and entire magnitude of 10 x, resulting in 2.8 million hypothetical covid deaths (they're not) but let's just pretend. Let's say that got up to 5 million by the end of the year. That still barely makes a dent into reaching 30 million deaths by the end of 2021. There would literally have to be 10's of millions of unaccounted deaths in the western world for that to be remotely possible.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2548976]You forgot to add, faster than Peter Sagan.[/QUOTE]And with a mountain bike cassette.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2549095]7 elderly fully vaccinated patients plus 5 fully vaccinated health personell at a home for the elderly in Norway now had positive covid tests on the Brazilian and SA covid mutations. 50/50 split It seems between the 2 mutations. The ridiculous part of the story is that everyone seems to blame it on the vaccines 'only' giving 90% or 95% immunity! Well, there are only 64 spots on the entire center plus workers!
As was to be expected.
So your vaccine is quite useless.[/QUOTE]The vaccine is not a condom, vaccinated people can still come into contact with the virus but they don't develop the disease. So, they may as well test positive, but they will not develop the disease. When they say a vaccine is 90% effective, it does not mean that in the 10% of cases it doesn't even work. In that 10% of cases, people may experience some symptoms, if they come into contact with the virus, but not the serious disease that would require hospitalization.
Human rights reports from two different organizations which you wouldn't expect that they coordinate.
Human rights reports from Amnesty International.
Switzerland: [URL]https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/europe-and-central-asia/switzerland/report-switzerland/[/URL].
France: [URL]https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/europe-and-central-asia/france/report-france/[/URL].
China: [URL]https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/asia-and-the-pacific/china/report-china/[/URL].
Human rights report from US State Department.
Switzerland: [URL]https://www.state.gov/reports/2019-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/switzerland/[/URL].
France: [URL]https://www.state.gov/reports/2019-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/france/[/URL].
China: [URL]https://www.state.gov/reports/2020-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/china/[/URL].
Have a read and see if you can spot the differences.
While there are certainly some issues, anybody who is claiming that _any_ country in Western Europe is at the level of China is a troll or brain washed.
Missing in the reports about Switzerland is the section where they speak about random drivers being thrown in jail for no cause and "robbered".
BTW, the concept of jail time because of debt towards the state exists in France too. Look up "contrainte judiciare". [URL]https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/article_lc/LEGIARTI000006578220/2021-04-08[/URL] Granted, the French are less trigger happy, it seems to kick in at 2000 EUR and up.
Next time you try not paying your fines, try to get sent to the Frauenfeld prison on the way to Westside. Here is the case of a satisfied customer: [URL]https://www.frauenfelder-nachrichten.ch/frauenfeld-region/detail/article/rauchen-sogar-in-den-zellen-erlaubt-eine-woche-im-luxusknast-00138581/[/URL].
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2549102]And with a mountain bike cassette.[/QUOTE]Lucky that Shimano makes a 10-51 MTB casette [URL]https://bike.shimano.com/en-US/product/component/xtr-m9100/CS-M9100-12.html[/URL].
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2549098]Of all of the things: social upheaval, financial unpredictability, mental health, sickness, death, permanent changes to social dynamics, etc, and the thing that most worries you is getting a jab every year?[/QUOTE]You really are a spawn of Satan are you?
3 words: Vaccine side effects!
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2549101]Here's the kicker, Africa and India officially has a combined death count of 280 K. Even if you hypothetically are ridiculously generous and give him that those numbers are off my and entire magnitude of 10 x, resulting in 2.8 million hypothetical covid deaths (they're not) but let's just pretend. Let's say that got up to 5 million by the end of the year. That still barely makes a dent into reaching 30 million deaths by the end of 2021. There would literally have to be 10's of millions of unaccounted deaths in the western world for that to be remotely possible.[/QUOTE]1. I said sub-Saharan Africa. Not Africa.
2. South-Africa seems to count about a third. But other nations maybe just 1-3%. In Tanzania the president there still claims the entire covid thing is a hoax.
3. You forgot about India.
4. You make the assumption that deaths will suddenly fall in all the rest of the world.
5. Now we are at 2.9 million counted deaths. It goes up quite fast.
[URL]https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker[/URL]
Enjoy the numbers. Ofcourse India and sub-saharan Africa except South Africa is not even counted here.
But take a look at Russia or Egypt for example.
It adds up quite fast!
At another home for the elderly in norway, even more people have gotten the covid virus, and one person just died.
They were all fully vaccinated.
South African version only. 10 people contaminated. Both workers and elderly.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2548969]You are a bit late to the party. I provided earlier links to a case that was litigated right up to federal court in Switzerland and the underlying law.
Possession of radar detector is a separate offence from speeding, so no double jeopardy.
I don't believe that they didn't speak to him in French. Every Swiss learns at minimum 2 foreign languages starting with primary school. I don't believe in general what he is saying because so many of his posts on other topics that can be verified were all false. Like being stronger and fitter than professional athletes with a 5 million EUR salary.
I definitely believe there are issues with Swiss police, but this BS here is not one of them.
BTW, any Swiss can initiate a change of the federal constitution. Get 100 000 signatures to support the initiative and there will be a vote on it. Swiss constitution changes all the time.[/QUOTE]Are you telling here, Swiss administration write to French people in French? Which is international law, or ZH or Argau or Basel polizei speak French? When they are not even able to speak English. Where do you really live? Just go to Zurich police prison in city and speak to them in French to experience if they understand. With such practices, if you knew what kind of guy I am, I will never pay my Swiss fines, I prefer to fight with them, but now it will be more complicated for them with me. If you knew a bit about technique, you would know coyote is not detector, but GPS like waze, and professional racers climb Zoncolan or Mortirolo and pretty sure for Loze on 32 behind, not on 11 nor even 24, and they don't like to climb them, when I love for my holidays, every year. Will wait for you and fat bald French on your carbon climbing before you. I wish at least you were able to understand this is nothing about Swiss people, when had many Swiss friends since I was a child and a real sunshine girlfriend who lived in Neuchatel and spoke French.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2548974]Why didn't you sue them after all that? There is the European Court for Human Rights in Strasbourg. Why did you keep going to Switzerland after that, after you "disappeared like if I was in China" ?
It's a story you tell to prostitutes to try to impress them. It's a fairy tale like The Emperor's New Clothes. Here is another thing you got wrong, they don't look at you with round eyes. Instead they roll their eyes, thinking how pathetic, here comes another one of those special people.
Why didn't you sue them after all that? There is the European Court for Human Rights in Strasbourg. Why did you keep going to Switzerland after that after you "disappeared like if I was in China" ?[/QUOTE]But, do Switzerland belong to EU or respect EU laws? When I just try to impress girls with my manners in bed, I didn't say my performances, but some WGs also experienced Swiss administration, some being scared. When I spent about 2 months per year, now I go only sometimes for brothels and one day for Verbier. I didn't even buy autobahn vignette on this year, saving 40 CHF.
[QUOTE=Canary;2548868]The nasty old UK got their act together & signed vaccine contracts early then paid a high rate for them. The EU in their typical bureaucratic way dithered, argued for a cheaper price and now are paying the consequences for a delayed supply. It's pathetic of you & others to blame the UK for the inadequacies of the EU machine.
As much as I greatly dislike Johnson's government and the Brexit fall out they did at least get something right in procuring the vaccine contracts quickly & efficiency as opposed to the EU.
So stop blaming the UK and start looking at Ursula von der Leyen and her cronies.
I want Europe to sort itself out so that I can enjoy the delights of FKK Clubs again!
And don't forget Countries don't make the vaccine & sell it but private companies do. It's up to the Countries to secure decent contracts with those Companies which makes it irrelevant whether the vaccine is made in the UK or EU.[/QUOTE]Nothing about UK people we welcome in France, but about politics when Johnson fucked EU, not sending back, when UK received a lot. But I m happy now less deaths in UK when European record with 126 000 . But this won't help for FKK reopening, when Bavarian who could be after Angela, think to buy sputnik, even not allowed by EU, when he closed border with cousin Tirol under UK mutant. Not sure he will rush to reopen brothels, even Saarland is starting to reopen a bit, but not brothels.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2549116]The vaccine is not a condom, vaccinated people can still come into contact with the virus but they don't develop the disease. So, they may as well test positive, but they will not develop the disease. When they say a vaccine is 90% effective, it does not mean that in the 10% of cases it doesn't even work. In that 10% of cases, people may experience some symptoms, if they come into contact with the virus, but not the serious disease that would require hospitalization.[/QUOTE]How dare you bring up details and nuance as if they matter to him. The OP is only after one thing, to quench his thirst for validation after decades of being deprived of it by a world that keeps reminding him that he's a sorry human being incapable of normal human interaction.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2549120]Lucky that Shimano makes a 10-51 MTB casette [URL]https://bike.shimano.com/en-US/product/component/xtr-m9100/CS-M9100-12.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]You can go the full mtb way and buy a crankset with a 20 teeth chainring. 20 x51, you can climb to trees.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2549131]You really are a spawn of Satan are you?
3 words: Vaccine side effects![/QUOTE]Which don't occur so frequently.
On the other hand, I just read that one third of the people who suffered from covid will have some psychological sequels.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2549192]Are you telling here, Swiss administration write to French people in French? Which is international law, or ZH or Argau or Basel polizei speak French? When they are not even able to speak English. Where do you really live?
Will wait for you and fat bald French on your carbon climbing before you. I wish at least you were able to understand this is nothing about Swiss people, when had many Swiss friends since I was a child and a real sunshine girlfriend who lived in Neuchatel and spoke French.[/QUOTE]I received a traffic offense letter from Switzerland in 2016. It was sent to my address in America routed through the Swedish embassy in my city and written to me in English.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2549211]Which don't occur so frequently.
On the other hand, I just read that one third of the people who suffered from covid will have some psychological sequels.[/QUOTE]But all of the sterile uterus's! Or is it Uteri? Oh hell, I'll just call them broken ovaries due to the nasty nasty vaccines. I find the post vomit quite funny. Like, is he replying to everyone individually or is it a stream of forgetfulness in reply to the same person? Is it rage posting? Are the French still Catholic?
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2549201]But, do Switzerland belong to EU or respect EU laws? [/QUOTE]I am sure that as always you wrote this reply after you first informed yourself.
I am a simple person, I don't know all of this by heart, so first I informed myself before responding.
The European Court for Human Rights is the international court of the Council of Europe which interprets the European Convention of Human Rights. Here are the 47 member countries of the Council of Europe [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_the_Council_of_Europe.[/URL] It applies to all parties signatories of the European Convention of Human Rights. Applications can be lodged by individuals, working languages are English and French.
While not in the human rights context, yes Switzerland has adopted some EU law. As part of bilateral treaties certain aspects of EU law are adopted in Switzerland primarily to participate in the EU single market.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2549192] I wish at least you were able to understand this is nothing about Swiss people, when had many Swiss friends since I was a child..[/QUOTE]Oh, this has nothing to do with somebody writing _facts_ about Switzerland, Swiss people or Swiss police. I mentioned it before, I am not Swiss. Could discuss plenty of negative issues with an informed person.
This is about writing fairy tales with no backing in reality. When story 1 is BS, then story 2 turns out is BS, I tend not to believe story 3 from the same person.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2549135][URL]https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker[/URL]
Enjoy the numbers. Ofcourse India and sub-saharan Africa except South Africa is not even counted here.
But take a look at Russia or Egypt for example.
It adds up quite fast![/QUOTE]Interesting.
68 countries reported for different time periods, which makes it a bit more difficult.
For these countries reported Covid deaths 1.69 m, excess mortality 2.77 m. Based on this data arguably overall 60% more covid deaths than reported.
Unfortunately no data on countries with very large populations (China, India, Indonesia, Pakistan, Nigeria, Bangladesh) which could have the biggest impact on total number of deaths by the end of the year (they have about 46% of world population).
[QUOTE=Pistons;2549133] In Tanzania the president there still claims the entire covid thing is a hoax.
[/QUOTE]Just like the anti vaxxers last year at the beginning of the pandemic.
I don't get your point. Now you're telling that there is a tremendous amount of deaths due to covid but you're against the vaccine.
What's your proposal? You want to send some vit D to Africa? To my knowledge they have some sun over there.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2549204]Nothing about UK people we welcome in France, but about politics when Johnson fucked EU, not sending back, when UK received a lot. But I m happy now less deaths in UK when European record with 126 000 . But this won't help for FKK reopening, when Bavarian who could be after Angela, think to buy sputnik, even not allowed by EU, when he closed border with cousin Tirol under UK mutant. Not sure he will rush to reopen brothels, even Saarland is starting to reopen a bit, but not brothels.[/QUOTE]You need to get the facts straight. These are not UK or EU vaccines but vaccines made by pharmaceutical companies. The UK was out there first to sign contracts for the vaccines and also funded research and new manufacturing facilities in the UK and EU while the EU sat on it's ass taking 3 - 6 months longer to make their first order. There's even factories in the EU funded by British money to make these vaccines, one in the Netherlands was set up by AZ with British money when Rutte refused to help. Now that these vaccines are being produced they are being delivered to customers on a first come first served basis. The EU is trying to jump the queue to get get vaccines that they will be forced to stockpile as they have dented confidence amongst the population.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2549027]LOL, please do tell about your hard training. Was it RTI training with Commando Jaubert? De Montfort? CPA 10 ? DGSE?[/QUOTE]Better than that. Prostitute stalking. Hours spent wandering aimlessly like a zombie in a sex club and looking at everyone in a very creepy way.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2549211]Which don't occur so frequently.
On the other hand, I just read that one third of the people who suffered from covid will have some psychological sequels.[/QUOTE]10% get blood clotting in one form or another.
Plus plus several other types of side effects.
[QUOTE=Downandup;2549334]You need to get the facts straight. These are not UK or EU vaccines but vaccines made by pharmaceutical companies. The UK was out there first to sign contracts for the vaccines and also funded research and new manufacturing facilities in the UK and EU while the EU sat on it's ass taking 3 - 6 months longer to make their first order. There's even factories in the EU funded by British money to make these vaccines, one in the Netherlands was set up by AZ with British money when Rutte refused to help. Now that these vaccines are being produced they are being delivered to customers on a first come first served basis. The EU is trying to jump the queue to get get vaccines that they will be forced to stockpile as they have dented confidence amongst the population.[/QUOTE]If in 5 years there is new medical scandal about the covid vaccine we will all be happy that UK took the priority. I just want to say again that never vaccine were developed in such a short time and under such a political pressure and it was impossible to test all the potential interactions with other medicine. For example I will never take the AZ. Yesterday the highest European court stated that being vaccined is a democratic obligation, what a shame but what about the illegal migrants entering Europe and fulling the jails in the next 10 years.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2549228]I received a traffic offense letter from Switzerland in 2016. It was sent to my address in America routed through the Swedish embassy in my city and written to me in English.[/QUOTE]When I used to go through small Switzerland which is between Germany and France, between Basel and Geneva or la Forclaz Wallis, weekly, I received not 1 but many letters, always written in German for German part, so no value according to justice, when my country don't speak in German. Swiss polizei are also not able to speak French in German part and nor in English, but they are very able to lie, abusing, not respecting human rights, reason why they don't let you call, when they would have problems in front of a lawyer, but they try to get as much money they can. WGs in brothels are more honest than Swiss administration. When You are arrested in US, they didn't even in Florida when I was caught for quite important overspeed, more than 90 miles on motorway, when I was never caught in Switzerland but only flashed as a snail under 120, don't they let you call somebody or give you a lawyer? And checking you understood situation, when they don't in Switzerland, at least in ZH, Argau and Basel, they just want you pay, ready for anything for money, and even more than prostitutes.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2549355]10% get blood clotting in one form or another.
Plus plus several other types of side effects.[/QUOTE]Problem is, once again you're fabricating the figures. Or maybe it's coming from your secret network of enlightened solarium sellers.
Or maybe you are once again playing on words.
Because according to hematology. Org.
[QUOTE]Blood clotting, or coagulation, is an important process that prevents excessive bleeding when a blood vessel is injured[/QUOTE]In this case, I hope that 100 % of the vaccinated get blood clotting!
This human rights BS is getting boring, maybe write again about when you counted used condoms in the trash of prostitutes.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2549394]Swiss polizei are also not able to speak French in German part and nor in English [/QUOTE]Facts versus fiction.
[URL]https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/curriculum-vote_which-languages-will-zurich-s-young-schoolchildren-learn/43136942[/URL]
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2549441]Problem is, once again you're fabricating the figures [/QUOTE]And when he finds numbers, they don't support his arguments.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2549394]When I used to go through small Switzerland which is between Germany and France, between Basel and Geneva or la Forclaz Wallis, weekly, I received not 1 but many letters, always written in German for German part, so no value according to justice, when my country don't speak in German. Swiss polizei are also not able to speak French in German part and nor in English, but they are very able to lie, abusing, not respecting human rights, reason why they don't let you call, when they would have problems in front of a lawyer, but they try to get as much money they can. WGs in brothels are more honest than Swiss administration. When You are arrested in US, they didn't even in Florida when I was caught for quite important overspeed, more than 90 miles on motorway, when I was never caught in Switzerland but only flashed as a snail under 120, don't they let you call somebody or give you a lawyer? And checking you understood situation, when they don't in Switzerland, at least in ZH, Argau and Basel, they just want you pay, ready for anything for money, and even more than prostitutes.[/QUOTE]I drove millions of kilometers in many countries including Switzerland (I lived there 5 years) USA, and China. Never had any problems with police, never got any fine I just respect the speed limits, advice you to do the same for sure you will have no problem. But may be you consider yourself as a better driver and that you don t need to respect the laws therefore you have to pay for it. How can a policeman respect a guy in the 50+ who still hasn't understand that the road is not a racing place and that everyone has to respect the speed limit. May be you should speak with your psychiatric why you always want to be better than the others, better fucker, better driver, better sportsman. Are you not tired by all this?
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2549394]When I used to go through small Switzerland which is between Germany and France, between Basel and Geneva or la Forclaz Wallis, weekly, I received not 1 but many letters, always written in German for German part, so no value according to justice, when my country don't speak in German. Swiss polizei are also not able to speak French in German part and nor in English, but they are very able to lie, abusing, not respecting human rights, reason why they don't let you call, when they would have problems in front of a lawyer, but they try to get as much money they can. WGs in brothels are more honest than Swiss administration. When You are arrested in US, they didn't even in Florida when I was caught for quite important overspeed, more than 90 miles on motorway, when I was never caught in Switzerland but only flashed as a snail under 120, don't they let you call somebody or give you a lawyer? And checking you understood situation, when they don't in Switzerland, at least in ZH, Argau and Basel, they just want you pay, ready for anything for money, and even more than prostitutes.[/QUOTE]Ah, so the Swiss previously sent you many letters. I assume for speeding.
Question is, did you pay them prior to being arrested?
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2549306]Interesting.
68 countries reported for different time periods, which makes it a bit more difficult.
For these countries reported Covid deaths 1.69 m, excess mortality 2.77 m. Based on this data arguably overall 60% more covid deaths than reported.
Unfortunately no data on countries with very large populations (China, India, Indonesia, Pakistan, Nigeria, Bangladesh) which could have the biggest impact on total number of deaths by the end of the year (they have about 46% of world population).[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.27.21250604v1.full.pdf[/URL]
Also supported by the data that The World Mortality Dataset uses to calculate COVID19's all-cause excess mortality.
That's about the world average, 1.6 x excess deaths of all causes. Claiming an average of 3 x-5 x COVID specific deaths for the entire world is obviously ludicrous when the the worst numbers we have are that high in only the most clandestine and third world nations. If official counts by the end of 2021 end up at 5 million, 10 million actual COVID deaths may be somewhat believable. 30 million from 5 million is absurd and is only believable to the person with a egotistical interest in being right about something, anything. Celebrating some predictive victory with incomplete data is right on par with prior conspiracy theorist tendencies. Proof and expertise do not matter to those guys. They apparently know everything and everything mainstream if bullshit.
Anyway, here's some very crude and very preliminary data for some countries missing in the infographic:
Jakarta, Indonesia estimates about 61% excess deaths:
[URL]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.14.20248159v1.full.pdf[/URL]
Mumbai, India only reports about a 20% excess.
Kerala, India reports negative excess deaths compared to previous years, although the accuracy is questionable.
[URL]https://www.indiaspend.com/covid-19/mortality-data-kerala-mumbai-too-soon-to-say-india-covid19-less-deadly-second-wave-737270[/URL]
One study in Bangladesh estimates about 50% of COVID deaths are unreported.
[URL]https://www.ajtmh.org/view/journals/tpmd/104/2/article-p546.xml[/URL]
Are the French still mostly Catholic?
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2549441]Problem is, once again you're fabricating the figures. Or maybe it's coming from your secret network of enlightened solarium sellers.
Or maybe you are once again playing on words.
Because according to hematology. Org.
In this case, I hope that 100 % of the vaccinated get blood clotting![/QUOTE]Right-O. Blood clotting always happens in response to stressors on the body. Every time you get sick, your body will produce more relatively benign blood clots because microvascular lesions occur due to normal immune response. Obviously, any vaccinations would cause an uptick in these blood clots much like any infection would. That's the point of getting vaccinations, a practice run for the immune system.
The question of importance is, are there significant enough serious blood clots that show a morbidity higher than baseline where the risk-rewards of vaccination negates their usefulness?
For the recent AZ controversies, if there will be any contraindications, they seem to only be linked to women who take birth control because birth control already causes an increase in risk of deep vein thrombosis (significant blood clots). Their combined effects may cause public officials to advise women taking birth control to hold off on AZ vaccination.
Also, are the French still mostly Catholic?
[QUOTE=Downandup;2549334]You need to get the facts straight. These are not UK or EU vaccines but vaccines made by pharmaceutical companies. The UK was out there first to sign contracts for the vaccines and also funded research and new manufacturing facilities in the UK and EU while the EU sat on it's ass taking 3 - 6 months longer to make their first order. There's even factories in the EU funded by British money to make these vaccines, one in the Netherlands was set up by AZ with British money when Rutte refused to help. Now that these vaccines are being produced they are being delivered to customers on a first come first served basis. The EU is trying to jump the queue to get get vaccines that they will be forced to stockpile as they have dented confidence amongst the population.[/QUOTE]EU sent 21 millions vaccine to UK, when UK, US, sent 0. I just wish EU will protect better their citizens, keeping produced vaccine for them. AZ with half French boss, is getting more and more restricted in EU, second dose being with other vaccine. 70% French don't want AZ, when 60% Russians don't want sputnik. Wish heat to come will help EU. Then Austria, Switzerland and Spain should reopen for brothels.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2549480]Ah, so the Swiss previously sent you many letters. I assume for speeding.
Question is, did you pay them prior to being arrested?[/QUOTE]All written in German I don't speak, nor understand, when they must write me or speak to me in French, according to international laws, to make sure I understood, so no value, same like ones from Germany but they don't put in jail there, so I don't pay and will never pay for Switzerland, even if I was caught when I was never, I prefer they try again to put me in jail, I refuse to pay robbers and I m super trained to pressure, even very fit, but I can stay for so many deaths without eating, they will send me again a doctor, like they did, when they could let me in room with no window. When you treat me like a criminal, then I play and learned tips from Albanians. One tip from a Swiss is after few years, fines are erased, so just have to resist to pressure, not to pay robbers.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2549462]I drove millions of kilometers in many countries including Switzerland (I lived there 5 years) USA, and China. Never had any problems with police, never got any fine I just respect the speed limits, advice you to do the same for sure you will have no problem. But may be you consider yourself as a better driver and that you don t need to respect the laws therefore you have to pay for it. How can a policeman respect a guy in the 50+ who still hasn't understand that the road is not a racing place and that everyone has to respect the speed limit. May be you should speak with your psychiatric why you always want to be better than the others, better fucker, better driver, better sportsman. Are you not tired by all this?[/QUOTE]Millions of kilometers? When I drive close to 100 000 kms per year since a bit more than 15 years, I don't know many driving so much, and I didn't drive 2 millions yet since I started, but you seem to be a better driver than me, when driving in Switzerland is a stressful nightmare for me, when I really try to do my best not to feel asleep among snails, when about 20 radars between Basel and Geneva, on less than 300 kms, when any car you give me, I adapt to control and then I'm used to go full speed to grip limit, my car culture. Unfortunately, Switzerland in between Germany and my beloved French Alps. When too many works zones in Germany, but real pleasure to drive in Italy where they have car culture. On my first US visit, in Miami, I rent a car to visit keys and to go to Orlando, but even they didn't put me in jail, but never rent again, impossible for me to drive there, turned around San Francisco on bicycle, police closed crossroads to let me climb California, walked and back Vegas strip, walked through Salt Lake, a lot in Utah, Arizona, Colorado. Driving to limit relax me, I'm so quiet then, even recovering, I remember leaving Paris traffic being exhausted, speeding to Germany, staying in club until 4/5 am and working in car after, not needing to sleep, I recovered speeding, returning to club at 10/11 am, just easy. Never crashed anybody on so many kilometers faster than 200, when this is nothing for sensations compare to going downhill on narrow tires bicycle at 70 km / h, or skiing at 100 . Just matter of being used to speed and to know how to kick in brakes.
Just go ahead and take the vaccines! Enjoy! Just take the risk. After all, we all choose what to believe in.
My numbers checks out quite well by the way. And I have plenty of sources. I even posted some that got censored. Unfortunately one was behind a pay wall.
You also forgot the study I linked where the MMR vaccine was linked to the same increase in blood clotting. And a kindergarten level of googling would find you thousands of sources regarding the link between corona vaccines and side effects. Especially blood clotting. Which even the European agency now officially agrees now. They just keep lying about the numbers for political reasons.
Good luck!
This guy is mirroring what I have been saying ever since the pandemic started: (on Sky Australia).
[URL]https://youtu.be/-gZGQM0dtsQ[/URL]
Maybe the sheep's here on ISG will understand better when it is aired on national TV.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2549441]Problem is, once again you're fabricating the figures. Or maybe it's coming from your secret network of enlightened solarium sellers.
Or maybe you are once again playing on words.
Because according to hematology. Org.
In this case, I hope that 100 % of the vaccinated get blood clotting![/QUOTE]You should leave the expert alone. These highly qualified RO medical professionals back him all the way. Some of them may or may not exist or may have bribed their way through medical school but they're incorruptible health care professionals.
[URL]https://www.incorectpolitic.com/pompiliu-diplan-in-dialog-cu-dr-adrian-cacovean-despre-vaccin-e-o-manipulare-genetica-experimentala/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.incorectpolitic.com/un-grup-de-medici-din-romania-cer-incetarea-terorizarii-populatiei-si-revenirea-la-normalitate-incetati-starea-de-teroare/[/URL]
The vaccines are a genetic experiment and the state is just terrorizing its people. Just ignore the fact that the website screams conspiracy theories and most of the list consists of ophthalmologist, plastic surgeon, pharmacist and more than half are dentists.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2549572]All written in German I don't speak, nor understand, when they must write me or speak to me in French, according to international laws, to make sure I understood, so no value, same like ones from Germany but they don't put in jail there, so I don't pay and will never pay for Switzerland, even if I was caught when I was never, I prefer they try again to put me in jail, I refuse to pay robbers and I m super trained to pressure, even very fit, but I can stay for so many deaths without eating, they will send me again a doctor, like they did, when they could let me in room with no window. When you treat me like a criminal, then I play and learned tips from Albanians. One tip from a Swiss is after few years, fines are erased, so just have to resist to pressure, not to pay robbers.[/QUOTE]So the situation is that at some point, you were flashed speeding in Switzerland and were notified of the tickets in letters written in German.
You knew that citations must be written in your language. Yet, you also knew that the Swiss administration had your information and were looking to receive payment.
Yet, as a grown [B]adult[/B] man, decided to drive back into Switzerland in the same car with the same license plate. At which point, you were found by the Swiss police and subsequently arrested.
To which you are now extremely angry. Does that sound normal to you?
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2549578]Millions of kilometers? When I drive close to 100 000 kms per year since a bit more than 15 years, I don't know many driving so much, and I didn't drive 2 millions yet since I started, but you seem to be a better driver than me, when driving in Switzerland is a stressful nightmare for me, when I really try to do my best not to feel asleep among snails, when about 20 radars between Basel and Geneva, on less than 300 kms, when any car you give me, I adapt to control and then I'm used to go full speed to grip limit, my car culture. Unfortunately, Switzerland in between Germany and my beloved French Alps. When too many works zones in Germany, but real pleasure to drive in Italy where they have car culture. On my first US visit, in Miami, I rent a car to visit keys and to go to Orlando, but even they didn't put me in jail, but never rent again, impossible for me to drive there, turned around San Francisco on bicycle, police closed crossroads to let me climb California, walked and back Vegas strip, walked through Salt Lake, a lot in Utah, Arizona, Colorado. Driving to limit relax me, I'm so quiet then, even recovering, I remember leaving Paris traffic being exhausted, speeding to Germany, staying in club until 4/5 am and working in car after, not needing to sleep, I recovered speeding, returning to club at 10/11 am, just easy. Never crashed anybody on so many kilometers faster than 200, when this is nothing for sensations compare to going downhill on narrow tires bicycle at 70 km / h, or skiing at 100 . Just matter of being used to speed and to know how to kick in brakes.[/QUOTE]I know very well and a lot of the tunnels in Switzerland with 80 speed limit, I don t believe there is a link between falling asleep and speed or you need adrenaline to stay awake which means may be that you have cross your own physical limits.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2549580]Just go ahead and take the vaccines! Enjoy! Just take the risk. After all, we all choose what to believe in.
My numbers checks out quite well by the way. And I have plenty of sources. I even posted some that got censored. Unfortunately one was behind a pay wall.
You also forgot the study I linked where the MMR vaccine was linked to the same increase in blood clotting. And a kindergarten level of googling would find you thousands of sources regarding the link between corona vaccines and side effects. Especially blood clotting. Which even the European agency now officially agrees now. They just keep lying about the numbers for political reasons.
Good luck![/QUOTE]May be you are aware that today the European commission starts to negotiate up to 1. 8 billions upgrade shots (for 2022 and 2023) of covid vaccine which should be able to protect against the new variants, so they are aware about the poor efficiency of the today vaccines on the long run. You told us to get vaccine but that means we will have to vaccine again in 2022 but I don t believe that it is serious to vaccinate the whole population every year. I wrote several times the covid vaccines are as efficient as the normal flue vaccines probably around 50% with a need to vaccine every year.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2549572]...and I m super trained to pressure, even very fit, but I can stay for so many deaths without eating, they will send me again a doctor, like they did, when they could let me in room with no window. When you treat me like a criminal, then I play and learned tips from Albanians...[/QUOTE]So ridiculous, but keep it going. Please do tell about your "super training to pressure". I am not sure what "stay for so many deaths without eating" means, it must have been heroic to not eat the yoghurt you were offered.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2549578] Driving to limit relax me, I'm so quiet then, even recovering, I remember leaving Paris traffic being exhausted, speeding to Germany, staying in club until 4/5 am and working in car after, not needing to sleep, I recovered speeding, returning to club at 10/11 am, just easy. Never crashed anybody on so many kilometers faster than 200, when this is nothing for sensations compare to going downhill on narrow tires bicycle at 70 km / h, or skiing at 100 . Just matter of being used to speed and to know how to kick in brakes.[/QUOTE]If true this is clearly irresponsible behaviour. There is a reason _professional_ drivers have limits on minimal hours of rest before they are allowed to drive, one of those EU regulations. These guys are professional drivers, they get paid to drive.
[URL]https://ec.europa.eu/transport/modes/road/social_provisions/driving_time_en[/URL]
How come that driving to limit relaxes you when for example Formula 1 drivers are exhausted when they finish a race? Are you better than them?
1. Kerala's Healthcare system is 1st world. Bringing up Kerala is remarkably stupid by someone who even mentions cherry picking numbers.
2. 60% excess deaths rates across the world is is only believable if one is a sheep who only reads headlines and never deep dives into the numbers. Firstly, the number is based mainly off of advanced nations. Secondly, it doesn't take into account the rapid fall of deaths related to other causes.
3. We are still far away from the end of 2021.
Yeah let's play a game of finding a source. Then we claim the source material is equal to what someone else claims. And because the source seems to have a dubious history, this other poster must then also have a dubious history.
Palcon cannot fly. A rock cannot fly. Ergo Palcon is a rock. A rock has no brain. Ergo Palcon has no brain.
[QUOTE=Palcon;2549614]You should leave the expert alone. These highly qualified RO medical professionals back him all the way. Some of them may or may not exist or may have bribed their way through medical school but they're incorruptible health care professionals.
[URL]https://www.incorectpolitic.com/pompiliu-diplan-in-dialog-cu-dr-adrian-cacovean-despre-vaccin-e-o-manipulare-genetica-experimentala/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.incorectpolitic.com/un-grup-de-medici-din-romania-cer-incetarea-terorizarii-populatiei-si-revenirea-la-normalitate-incetati-starea-de-teroare/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Clearly a reliable source of information.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2549454]Facts versus fiction.
[URL]https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/curriculum-vote_which-languages-will-zurich-s-young-schoolchildren-learn/43136942[/URL][/QUOTE]Just go to Zurich police prison desk, this is in city, or to Meylin prison in suburb, or in any Swiss administration desk in Turgau, ZH, AG, Basel, and test yourself on the field, leaving your heater, speaking to them in French, to see if they answer and give you information in French. Of course they would in Neuchatel, Lausanne, Montreux, Martigny and Geneva. Switzerland is my garden I know a bit and many Swiss from Wallis, SZ and ZH. They must write me in French, but they never did, so I don t understand and they don t respect international laws, why they don't let you call, because a lawyer would easily fuck their abuse. Same techniques like in China or Russia, you disappear, you can be dead for your relatives or job. At least, if one day I want to disappear, I know where to go, no need to go to try to compete with Putin.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2549580]Just go ahead and take the vaccines! Enjoy! Just take the risk. After all, we all choose what to believe in.
My numbers checks out quite well by the way. And I have plenty of sources. I even posted some that got censored. Unfortunately one was behind a pay wall.
You also forgot the study I linked where the MMR vaccine was linked to the same increase in blood clotting. And a kindergarten level of googling would find you thousands of sources regarding the link between corona vaccines and side effects. Especially blood clotting. Which even the European agency now officially agrees now. They just keep lying about the numbers for political reasons.
Good luck![/QUOTE]Maybe some perspective is needed.
About 740 million doses vaccinated worldwide. When does the transformation to zombies start? When we hit 1 billion?
Women have a higher risk of thrombosis from taking the pill than from covid vaccines.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2549729]2. 60% excess deaths rates across the world is is only believable if one is a sheep who only reads headlines and never deep dives into the numbers. [/QUOTE]It was your own source. Have you actually read it?
[URL]https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2104840?query=recirc_curatedRelated_article[/URL]
As I have noted here before, Over 8%, and probably as many as 10% are getting different types of thrombosis from the AZ vaccine. Most likely also from all the other covid vaccines but at a lower level.
We are not talking normal thrombosis as the wannabe doctors here on ISG have spewed out. But they are as usual clueless. This is exactly like I stated here before when the nurse tried to object and be clueless (like always). It is the T-cells attaching to the blood platelets.
It is essentially a vaccine against your own blood platelets.
1. Causing thrombosis (blood clots).
2. Reducing the number of blood plates. And then also your immune system.
3. The vaccine itself itself is useless against covid by the time people have received it. Because by then, covid has mutated away from the programmed T-cells in the vaccine.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2549753]Just go to Zurich police prison desk, this is in city, or to Meylin prison in suburb, or in any Swiss administration desk in Turgau, ZH, AG, Basel, and test yourself on the field, leaving your heater, speaking to them in French, to see if they answer and give you information in French. Of course they would in Neuchatel, Lausanne, Montreux, Martigny and Geneva. Switzerland is my garden I know a bit and many Swiss from Wallis, SZ and ZH. They must write me in French, but they never did, so I don t understand and they don t respect international laws, why they don't let you call, because a lawyer would easily fuck their abuse. Same techniques like in China or Russia, you disappear, you can be dead for your relatives or job. At least, if one day I want to disappear, I know where to go, no need to go to try to compete with Putin.[/QUOTE]Yet you still went to Switzerland many times after that until they closed the clubs in 2020. That would be the logical thing to do if what you say would be true.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2549753]Just go to Zurich police prison desk, this is in city, or to Meylin prison in suburb, or in any Swiss administration desk in Turgau, ZH, AG, Basel, and test yourself on the field, leaving your heater, speaking to them in French, to see if they answer and give you information in French. Of course they would in Neuchatel, Lausanne, Montreux, Martigny and Geneva. Switzerland is my garden I know a bit and many Swiss from Wallis, SZ and ZH. They must write me in French, but they never did, so I don t understand and they don t respect international laws, why they don't let you call, because a lawyer would easily fuck their abuse. Same techniques like in China or Russia, you disappear, you can be dead for your relatives or job. At least, if one day I want to disappear, I know where to go, no need to go to try to compete with Putin.[/QUOTE]I know plenty of Brits, Americans, Australians living in Switzerland, who don't speak anything else than English and yet never had any language problems when they had to deal with the police for speeding tickets or any other authorities, like foreigner registration, car registration, getting married, getting building permits etc.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2549730]Yeah let's play a game of finding a source. Then we claim the source material is equal to what someone else claims. And because the source seems to have a dubious history, this other poster must then also have a dubious history.
Palcon cannot fly. A rock cannot fly. Ergo Palcon is a rock. A rock has no brain. Ergo Palcon has no brain.[/QUOTE]Ignorance is an amazing thing. That internet thing seems to make everyone an expert. How about you go live life and talk to some people with real experience. Keep on going baby troll.
Here you can see how long the anti-blood plate T-cells (white blood cells) stays in your system after vaccination:
[URL]https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/figure/10.1080/21645515.2020.1735861?scroll=top&needAccess=true[/URL]
Unfortunately the figures and data ends at 22 and 23 years (male and female). So we don't know we loose all the antibodies after about 25 years, or if some persists longer. Still it beats getting covid an becoming very sick for a month and perhaps having side effects for 2-3 months before you get healthy again and have natural resistance. 25 years is a hell of a lot of time!
Additional jabs also shows that 67% of the test subjects showed additional increases in anti-blood-plate T-cells.
I expect the data for the covid vaccines to perhaps be even worse than they are for MMR. And in the case of MMR the real data is also mainly being hidden due to political reasons and because only maybe one in a million is ever being tested pre and post vaccination.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2549841]It was your own source. Have you actually read it?[/QUOTE]My response was toward the comment of the nurse. He seemed to allude to some other source had read.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2549841]It was your own source. Have you actually read it?[/QUOTE]And my source clearly shows a far higher death ratio from covid if you analyze the numbers. As I already mentioned.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2549844][URL]https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2104840?query=recirc_curatedRelated_article[/URL]
As I have noted here before, Over 8%, and probably as many as 10% are getting different types of thrombosis from the AZ vaccine. Most likely also from all the other covid vaccines but at a lower level.[/QUOTE]As usual, the article you're quoting doesn't support your claim at all.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2549863]Here you can see how long the anti-blood plate T-cells (white blood cells) stays in your system after vaccination:
[URL]https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/figure/10.1080/21645515.2020.1735861?scroll=top&needAccess=true[/URL]
Unfortunately the figures and data ends at 22 and 23 years (male and female). So we don't know we loose all the antibodies after about 25 years, or if some persists longer. Still it beats getting covid an becoming very sick for a month and perhaps having side effects for 2-3 months before you get healthy again and have natural resistance. 25 years is a hell of a lot of time!
Additional jabs also shows that 67% of the test subjects showed additional increases in anti-blood-plate T-cells.
I expect the data for the covid vaccines to perhaps be even worse than they are for MMR. And in the case of MMR the real data is also mainly being hidden due to political reasons and because only maybe one in a million is ever being tested pre and post vaccination.[/QUOTE]WOW, so you are now complaining that vaccination may confer protection from viruses for too many years? Are you really saying that? You are trying to flip an objective benefit of the vaccines into a flaw? What kind of stuff are you on, mate?
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2549854]I know plenty of Brits, Americans, Australians living in Switzerland, who don't speak anything else than English and yet never had any language problems when they had to deal with the police for speeding tickets or any other authorities, like foreigner registration, car registration, getting married, getting building permits etc.[/QUOTE]Yes but they speak common English, not some kind of Dwarven dialect.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2549931]WOW, so you are now complaining that vaccination may confer protection from viruses for too many years? Are you really saying that? You are trying to flip an objective benefit of the vaccines into a flaw? What kind of stuff are you on, mate?[/QUOTE]There was supposed to be a 'not' in there.
'Done not beat'.
Sorry for the typo. As I am not allowed to edit my posts, this happens.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2549930]As usual, the article you're quoting doesn't support your claim at all.[/QUOTE]It was additional info. I sent you the article regarding the 8% in a pm. Will see if I can make screenshots later. Lame paywall.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2549850]Yet you still went to Switzerland many times after that until they closed the clubs in 2020. That would be the logical thing to do if what you say would be true.[/QUOTE]Imagine if you know that you have a criminal offense charged against you in a particular country. They have your license plate number, the color, make, and model of your car, and they have your identity. Regardless of the language of the correspondences, you know the basic reality that you have an unresolved legal matter pending in a foreign country, presumably, likely a warrant for your detainment because you made no attempts to respond to their communications with you.
Somehow, knowing this, you think that it makes sense to subsequently [B][I]drive into that country[/I][/B] in the [B]same exact car[/B], while likely speeding on their highways, bringing further attention to yourself.
How does any responsible, sane, adult human standing in the face of this scenario, make that set of decisions.
Guys guys, just like the Shoo before him, I think he actually gets off on this internet bukkake. Roasting his absurd notions gets him wet. Every time you quote him, he licks his dick sucking lips, slurping up the Jizz you just sprayed on his face.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2549930]As usual, the article you're quoting doesn't support your claim at all.[/QUOTE]In college I was an undergraduate assistant for one year. I remember grading various underclassmen assignments that required citing sources. It was often very obvious which students didn't read the actual source but merely cited the work after reading either just the title, or only the abstract at best. His post triggers that same vibe.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2549931]WOW, so you are now complaining that vaccination may confer protection from viruses for too many years? Are you really saying that? You are trying to flip an objective benefit of the vaccines into a flaw? What kind of stuff are you on, mate?[/QUOTE]Rocky, aren't you a life sciences guy? Or a hard science of some sort? At least I remember you speaking knowledgeably about those topics.
Do you also notice the absurd amount of erroneous statements in these posts? Has it also become apparent to you that he does not know the basic concepts of immunology? I'm not so certain that he knows what a T-Cell actually does. It's also clear that he does not know what a blood clot is or how it is formed. So he thinks that when T-cells bind to platelets, promotion of a clot begins?
Am I right? Is he saying what I think he's saying? Perhaps his T-cell platelets theory causes the exact opposite effect of what he is suggesting. As in, T cells bind platelet, inadequate platelet function leads to bleeds. This is the exact opposite of blood clots.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2549865]And my source clearly shows a far higher death ratio from covid if you analyze the numbers. As I already mentioned.[/QUOTE]So currently there are 2.9 million reported covid deaths, your data source says excess mortality is 60 % higher, and you say that the real number of deaths right now is 10 - 15 million. Interesting.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2549844][URL]https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2104840?query=recirc_curatedRelated_article[/URL]
As I have noted here before, Over 8%, and probably as many as 10% are getting different types of thrombosis from the AZ vaccine. Most likely also from all the other covid vaccines but at a lower level.
[/QUOTE]Please show me how you read and understood that article. Where exactly in that article it says that 8% or higher of people who get AZ vaccine get thrombosis.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2549931]WOW, so you are now complaining that vaccination may confer protection from viruses for too many years? Are you really saying that? You are trying to flip an objective benefit of the vaccines into a flaw? What kind of stuff are you on, mate?[/QUOTE]MMR vaccines give long term protection, yada yada yada, covid vaccines are bad. Wait, what?
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2549955]Yes but they speak common English, not some kind of Dwarven dialect.[/QUOTE]Plus they behave like rational human beings.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2549850]Yet you still went to Switzerland many times after that until they closed the clubs in 2020. That would be the logical thing to do if what you say would be true.[/QUOTE]I already wrote: before, a lot of time and money spent in wonderful Wallis with 30 higher than 4000 meters peaks around Saas Fe if You know, enjoying to eat chamois, but now, even I will return to Verbier for my extreme spots, not more spent than skipass from 11 am, enough time, running all my spots for 6 hours, then returning to France very close, or going to brothels. Not more worthing than for pit stop on brothels now, on transit, this is Switzerland now for me. Administration treated me like a criminal, they created a criminal who don t pay robbers who don t respect international laws.
"South African variant can 'break through' Pfizer vaccine: Study".
[URL]https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/11/s-african-variant-can-break-through-pfizer-vaccine-study-says[/URL]
What a 'coincidence' that those South African, UK and Brazilian strains are so potent?
This is exactly what Geert vanden Bossche said: vaccinating in the middle of a pandemic is suicidal and causing more aggressive mutations:
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu8PlB4yQ4k[/URL]
South Africa, the UK and Brazil is where most pharmaceutical companies did their vaccine "testing;.
[URL]https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/oxford-covid-19-vaccine-trials/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/13/world/africa/south-africa-vaccine-virus.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.samrc.ac.za/news/covid-19-vaccine-challenges-running-trial-middle-pandemic[/URL]
Oh yes, more problems for the AstraZeneca "vaccine:
[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-digest-astrazeneca-vaccine-trial-on-children-halted/a-57115365[/URL]
"Netherlands temporarily halts AstraZeneca COVID vaccinations".
[URL]https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/3/dutch-temporarily-halt-astrazeneca-vaccinations[/URL]
Probably all "conspiracy theories," right Nursenary-BigBuddy69-PaulInZurich? / sarc.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2549854]I know plenty of Brits, Americans, Australians living in Switzerland, who don't speak anything else than English and yet never had any language problems when they had to deal with the police for speeding tickets or any other authorities, like foreigner registration, car registration, getting married, getting building permits etc.[/QUOTE]You don't seem to know much, when those working in polizei or administration don't seem to be the highest level educated and bad level for English for most polizei, same like in Germany, but higher level for lies in Switzerland. Always better to get own experience, so just speak to them in French or English, rather than writing without knowing the field. In France, you won't also find highest level educated in police or army. Swiss administration don't even know basic law to write in my language and to make sure I understood, when all lawyers will explain you this is basic for justice, except in China, north Korea, Russia and Switzerland.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2549700]If true this is clearly irresponsible behaviour. There is a reason _professional_ drivers have limits on minimal hours of rest before they are allowed to drive, one of those EU regulations. These guys are professional drivers, they get paid to drive.
[URL]https://ec.europa.eu/transport/modes/road/social_provisions/driving_time_en[/URL]
How come that driving to limit relaxes you when for example Formula 1 drivers are exhausted when they finish a race? Are you better than them?[/QUOTE]I don't drive a 30/40 tons truck when their big risk is to fall asleep. Have you ever driven with slick race tires? Just try, to feel vibrations and how you are stuck to the track, when, before they put radar in downhill, I could make slide xdrive and soft tires which have better grip, using 4 lines of autobahn even on dry, in right curve between Koln and Frankfurt, passing faster than 200, when was free. If You give me french made Chiron, I will adapt to speed, 50 kms at 250 , then 100 at 300, then 100 at 350, we can get used to speed, then faster than 400 , possible when 4 straight lines for many kilometers on some parts in Germany, faster than any race car, formula 1, IndyCar for Indianapolis, proto for LE Mans, but when I think can reach more than 440 km / h and You just have to pay to get and You can legally speed to 440 in some German parts, but nothing compare to race cars for G your body, head, brain receive and also not same heat in car, which exhaust pilots, not speed they are used to since they started in karting when kids. Speed is not so difficult, as long You are able to brake. No crash for me in Switzerland nor Germany where I got a fox at night over 200 , only in France and only me, when I tested maximum attack, but H3 E21 improved and called rodeo girl RS500 but with more than 120 power improved, were not the easiest on wet. But I miss them, compare to quattro new generation, really not sporty, working, not working, on rear wheels, just electronic correcting, not helping to feel grip limit. My way to drive, kicking in brakes at 120 in snails country, when I enjoy and relax in Italy and more and more rare parts in Germany. Maybe adrenaline relaxing me, when I'm so stressed with snails.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2550046]Guys guys, just like the Shoo before him, I think he actually gets off on this internet bukkake. Roasting his absurd notions gets him wet. Every time you quote him, he licks his dick sucking lips, slurping up the Jizz you just sprayed on his face.[/QUOTE]Wow, look at that mentally insane little weirdo.
It's kinda sad to see how he has no life.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2550138]What a 'coincidence' that those South African, UK and Brazilian strains are so potent?
This is exactly what Geert vanden Bossche said: vaccinating in the middle of a pandemic is suicidal and causing more aggressive mutations:[/QUOTE]Umm, all these variants showed up before vaccinations.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2550046] Rocky, aren't you a life sciences guy? Or a hard science of some sort? At least I remember you speaking knowledgeably about those topics.
Do you also notice the absurd amount of erroneous statements in these posts? Has it also become apparent to you that he does not know the basic concepts of immunology? I'm not so certain that he knows what a T-Cell actually does. It's also clear that he does not know what a blood clot is or how it is formed. So he thinks that when T-cells bind to platelets, promotion of a clot begins?
Am I right? Is he saying what I think he's saying? Perhaps his T-cell platelets theory causes the exact opposite effect of what he is suggesting. As in, T cells bind platelet, inadequate platelet function leads to bleeds. This is the exact opposite of blood clots.[/QUOTE]Yes, I have a bio-medical background and, although I was hoping he was joking, I felt the urge to reply in case he wasn't and he was in fact complaining that vaccines give protection against viruses for too many years. It's like complaining against sun block companies that their products protect people too well against the damaging effects of UV radiation.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2550152]I don't drive a 30/40 tons truck when their big risk is to fall asleep. Have you ever driven with slick race tires? Just try, to feel vibrations and how you are stuck to the track, when, before they put radar in downhill, I could make slide xdrive and soft tires which have better grip, using 4 lines of autobahn even on dry, in right curve between Koln and Frankfurt, passing faster than 200, when was free. If You give me french made Chiron, I will adapt to speed, 50 kms at 250 , then 100 at 300, then 100 at 350, we can get used to speed, then faster than 400 , possible when 4 straight lines for many kilometers on some parts in Germany, faster than any race car, formula 1, IndyCar for Indianapolis, proto for LE Mans, but when I think can reach more than 440 km / h and You just have to pay to get and You can legally speed to 440 in some German parts, but nothing compare to race cars for G your body, head, brain receive and also not same heat in car, which exhaust pilots, not speed they are used to since they started in karting when kids. Speed is not so difficult, as long You are able to brake. No crash for me in Switzerland nor Germany where I got a fox at night over 200 , only in France and only me, when I tested maximum attack, but H3 E21 improved and called rodeo girl RS500 but with more than 120 power improved, were not the easiest on wet. But I miss them, compare to quattro new generation, really not sporty, working, not working, on rear wheels, just electronic correcting, not helping to feel grip limit. My way to drive, kicking in brakes at 120 in snails country, when I enjoy and relax in Italy and more and more rare parts in Germany. Maybe adrenaline relaxing me, when I'm so stressed with snails.[/QUOTE]Again, if true, clearly irresponsible behaviour.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2550204]Wow, look at that mentally insane little weirdo.
It's kinda sad to see how he has no life.[/QUOTE]It's usually seen as a clear sign of being a narcissist when you're talking about yourself like that.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2550072]MMR vaccines give long term protection, yada yada yada, covid vaccines are bad. Wait, what?[/QUOTE]Both are bad. There was a typo. Not sure why.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2550139]You don't seem to know much, when those working in polizei or administration don't seem to be the highest level educated and bad level for English for most polizei, same like in Germany, but higher level for lies in Switzerland. Always better to get own experience, so just speak to them in French or English, rather than writing without knowing the field. In France, you won't also find highest level educated in police or army. Swiss administration don't even know basic law to write in my language and to make sure I understood, when all lawyers will explain you this is basic for justice, except in China, north Korea, Russia and Switzerland.[/QUOTE]Clearly I know more than enough about this. I live in Switzerland for more than 20 years. I am not a tourist speeding on the highway.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2550236]Again, if true, clearly irresponsible behaviour.[/QUOTE]Don't you know about free speed on some parts in Germany, unfortunately more and more rare. Sometimes I m faster for more than 100 km / h than polizei cars in these parts, not even putting left foot on brake, right one full pushing, and no problem, just legal, their law. Even improving my cars for balance and increasing engine power but not enough, and I won't sell my house, but if I could buy a French hands made Chiron, I could drive faster than any race car legally in Germany, but of course better to be used to speed and able to kick in brakes. I m sure you know race or high speed technique is to brake kicking in pedal with left foot and now much easier with sequential gears box. No crash, driving nearly 100 000 kms per year, full speeding as soon I can. Most dangerous countries to drive, for me, are Switzerland where too stressful and NL where they brake in front of you when you arrive much faster in their back. Faster on Nurburgring are Luxemburg, but Germans are usually correct, moving to right line, when you are faster.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2550222]Umm, all these variants showed up before vaccinations.[/QUOTE]That veterinarian has a magical killer cell he's working on. No studies or results. He's hoping the virus mutations will get out of control, justifying his sky is falling theory. Please vet (no pun) these people before posting their videos. Yes, he worked for Bill Gates and WHO, but his published works are old and not pertinent.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2550274]Clearly I know more than enough about this. I live in Switzerland for more than 20 years. I am not a tourist speeding on the highway.[/QUOTE]Always flashed only on autobahns and below 120 , so what speeding? When I really make big effort in Switzerland, when I m quite often more than 200 on some parts in France. Usually 40 CHF fines, but they charge 250 for justice not respecting international laws. Try to speak to polizei or administration in French or English, to test.
France now extending for ages to vaccine, because we have AZ nobody want, and not sure French will run for Johnson which will arrive on this week. EU will be more complicated to vaccine and reopen, when AZ is also not a star in Germany, Spain and probably others. We may compete with Russians who don't want sputnik.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2550289]Always flashed only on autobahns and below 120 , so what speeding? When I really make big effort in Switzerland, when I m quite often more than 200 on some parts in France. Usually 40 CHF fines, but they charge 250 for justice not respecting international laws. Try to speak to polizei or administration in French or English, to test.[/QUOTE]I am sure that even you know that if there is a sign that max speed limit is 80, then you have to respect that sign, regardless if you are on autobahn. 120 is max allowed speed unless there are no other restrictions. How did you pass your driver license test? I know that in Romania you can just buy one, did you buy your driver license there?
Like I said before, I don't need to test, in 20 years here I did speak many time to normal police and many other administration in English.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2550027]Imagine if you know that you have a criminal offense charged against you in a particular country. They have your license plate number, the color, make, and model of your car, and they have your identity. Regardless of the language of the correspondences, you know the basic reality that you have an unresolved legal matter pending in a foreign country, presumably, likely a warrant for your detainment because you made no attempts to respond to their communications with you.
Somehow, knowing this, you think that it makes sense to subsequently [B][I]drive into that country[/I][/B] in the [B]same exact car[/B], while likely speeding on their highways, bringing further attention to yourself.
How does any responsible, sane, adult human standing in the face of this scenario, make that set of decisions.[/QUOTE]Even new car now and I really miss previous with no quattro, but I drove for nearly 500 000 kms, as often as possible on full speed and increased power engine still moaning like a baby, but they can easily find me, when they registered me as a criminal, with photos of all my beauty except my dick and asshole because I refused, taking also my fingerprints. I don't plan, but when I will return to transit through Switzerland, maybe for a pit stop in brothel, but only where foods, if they control me again, I will refuse again to pay robbers who don't respect international laws and human rights, I never pay robbers, I know Swiss rate: 1 prison tag for 100 CHF, but with no mask nor test nor vaccine for me, I'm not afraid of virus, nor eating, nor speaking, nor going out of room for 1 hour daily walk, nor showering like on previous 3 prisons visit, and can't be afraid of Swiss polizei or administration, when you have to jump on right foot in rocks in Mont Gelé , but I m pretty sure they will send me again doctor like on previous time. Good to train to fight pressure. But they told me I could work in Switzerland, no problem about registration, but I don't plan to. As I told them: I don't need small Switzerland, just for brothels and Verbier now. I will reach Klein Matterhorn from Italy I like and enjoy to drive there where carabinieri are not like WGs.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2550313]Even new car now and I really miss previous with no quattro, but I drove for nearly 500 000 kms, as often as possible on full speed and increased power engine still moaning like a baby, but they can easily find me, when they registered me as a criminal, with photos of all my beauty except my dick and asshole because I refused, taking also my fingerprints. I don't plan, but when I will return to transit through Switzerland, maybe for a pit stop in brothel, but only where foods, if they control me again, I will refuse again to pay robbers who don't respect international laws and human rights, I never pay robbers, I know Swiss rate: 1 prison tag for 100 CHF, but with no mask nor test nor vaccine for me, I'm not afraid of virus, nor eating, nor speaking, nor going out of room for 1 hour daily walk, nor showering like on previous 3 prisons visit, and can't be afraid of Swiss polizei or administration, when you have to jump on right foot in rocks in Mont Gel , but I m pretty sure they will send me again doctor like on previous time. Good to train to fight pressure. But they told me I could work in Switzerland, no problem about registration, but I don't plan to. As I told them: I don't need small Switzerland, just for brothels and Verbier now. I will reach Klein Matterhorn from Italy I like and enjoy to drive there where carabinieri are not like WGs.[/QUOTE]Every once in a while step out in the real world. There are treatments possible.
[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2550286]That veterinarian has a magical killer cell he's working on. No studies or results. He's hoping the virus mutations will get out of control, justifying his sky is falling theory. Please vet (no pun) these people before posting their videos. Yes, he worked for Bill Gates and WHO, but his published works are old and not pertinent.[/QUOTE]Well, it checks out with the two different elderly homes in Norway where now over two dousing elderly and health workers who were all fully vaxxed by Pfizer now is sick from the SA and Brazil mutations. And at least one has died of them so far.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2550204]Wow, look at that mentally insane little weirdo.
It's kinda sad to see how he has no life.[/QUOTE]I have not life. But that's okay because you're my whole world sugar cheeks. Muah!
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2550138]South Africa, the UK and Brazil is where most pharmaceutical companies did their vaccine "testing;.
[URL]https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/oxford-covid-19-vaccine-trials/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/13/world/africa/south-africa-vaccine-virus.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.samrc.ac.za/news/covid-19-vaccine-challenges-running-trial-middle-pandemic[/URL]
Oh yes, more problems for the AstraZeneca "vaccine:
[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-digest-astrazeneca-vaccine-trial-on-children-halted/a-57115365[/URL]
"Netherlands temporarily halts AstraZeneca COVID vaccinations".
[URL]https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/3/dutch-temporarily-halt-astrazeneca-vaccinations[/URL]
Probably all "conspiracy theories," right Nursenary-BigBuddy69-PaulInZurich? / sarc.[/QUOTE]Actually, it is a conspiracy. But at this point we are well beyond the theory stage.
However our brainwashed wannabe doctors are a lost cause. Just left them get their vaccine shots of death. Maybe the new strain of humans taking their place will be more free thinking.
Humans are like viruses. The best strains survive.
Actually I've taken part in the conspiracy myself. So it never was a theory really from my point of view.
We need a modernized financial system, and increased automation. Basically. And the timing is spot on.
But we cannot save everyone. At least we try to save some hot girls who might read this.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2550299]I am sure that even you know that if there is a sign that max speed limit is 80, then you have to respect that sign, regardless if you are on autobahn. 120 is max allowed speed unless there are no other restrictions. How did you pass your driver license test? I know that in Romania you can just buy one, did you buy your driver license there?
Like I said before, I don't need to test, in 20 years here I did speak many time to normal police and many other administration in English.[/QUOTE]After Sion tragedy when I was in Wallis, I know for 100 under tunnels and try to respect, but driving 100 or 80, needing to have foot on brakes on autobahns, is too difficult for me, I m much easier on free parts in Germany, much more relaxing and less stressful. Only very small over speeding with no crash nor alcohol, but treating you like a criminal, not the good way with a guy like me, I'm able to resist to their pressure, with big motivation when not respecting international laws and my rights, when no proof about me to be the driver.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2550299]I am sure that even you know that if there is a sign that max speed limit is 80, then you have to respect that sign, regardless if you are on autobahn. 120 is max allowed speed unless there are no other restrictions. How did you pass your driver license test? I know that in Romania you can just buy one, did you buy your driver license there?
Like I said before, I don't need to test, in 20 years here I did speak many time to normal police and many other administration in English.[/QUOTE]After Sion tragedy when I was in Wallis, I know for 100 under tunnels and try to respect, but driving 100 or 80, needing to have foot on brakes on autobahns, is too difficult for me, I m much easier on free parts in Germany, much more relaxing and less stressful. Only very small over speeding with no crash nor alcohol, but treating you like a criminal trying to rob your money, not the good way with a guy like me, I'm able to resist to their pressure, with big mental and motivation when not respecting international laws and my rights, when no proof about me to be the driver.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2550313]Even new car now and I really miss previous with no quattro, but I drove for nearly 500 000 kms, as often as possible on full speed and increased power engine still moaning like a baby, but they can easily find me, when they registered me as a criminal, with photos of all my beauty except my dick and asshole because I refused, taking also my fingerprints. I don't plan, but when I will return to transit through Switzerland, maybe for a pit stop in brothel, but only where foods, if they control me again, I will refuse again to pay robbers who don't respect international laws and human rights, I never pay robbers, I know Swiss rate: 1 prison tag for 100 CHF, but with no mask nor test nor vaccine for me, I'm not afraid of virus, nor eating, nor speaking, nor going out of room for 1 hour daily walk, nor showering like on previous 3 prisons visit, and can't be afraid of Swiss polizei or administration, when you have to jump on right foot in rocks in Mont Gel , but I m pretty sure they will send me again doctor like on previous time. Good to train to fight pressure. But they told me I could work in Switzerland, no problem about registration, but I don't plan to. As I told them: I don't need small Switzerland, just for brothels and Verbier now. I will reach Klein Matterhorn from Italy I like and enjoy to drive there where carabinieri are not like WGs.[/QUOTE]Of course only my experience and way of thinking about justice. When I think I won't have many followers on my climbings, when I don t need in brothels, reason why I don t name anymore my interesting girls, to protect them versus jealous bullshits I experienced too often, some also asking me not to name them, and when I m not to support their business, but I also don't need followers for my way of life and can just advice those who need or want to protect themselves. Just ask your doctor about this. I trust French doctors, even they know few about virus, like in other countries. But too many deaths already.
Those deaths?
[URL]https://www.wired.co.uk/article/norway-deaths-coronavirus-vaccine[/URL]
[URL]https://scroll.in/article/984481/the-deaths-of-pfizer-vaccine-recipients-in-norway-show-it-is-actually-stimulating-an-immune-response[/URL]
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-norway-idUSKBN29P2R1[/URL]
Any fans of the Great Barrington "Declaration" ? The esteemed experts recommend that nursing home staff have "acquired immunity through natural infection" that could be "assisted, but not dependent" on a vaccine.
None of this addresses the bonehead and arrogant choice to knowingly enter a country for which there is a warrant for their arrest, in the very same car in which they committed the crimes.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2550313]Even new car now and I really miss previous with no quattro, but I drove for nearly 500 000 kms, as often as possible on full speed and increased power engine still moaning like a baby, but they can easily find me, when they registered me as a criminal, with photos of all my beauty except my dick and asshole because I refused, taking also my fingerprints. I don't plan, but when I will return to transit through Switzerland, maybe for a pit stop in brothel, but only where foods, if they control me again, I will refuse again to pay robbers who don't respect international laws and human rights, I never pay robbers, I know Swiss rate: 1 prison tag for 100 CHF, but with no mask nor test nor vaccine for me, I'm not afraid of virus, nor eating, nor speaking, nor going out of room for 1 hour daily walk, nor showering like on previous 3 prisons visit, and can't be afraid of Swiss polizei or administration, when you have to jump on right foot in rocks in Mont Gel , but I m pretty sure they will send me again doctor like on previous time. Good to train to fight pressure. But they told me I could work in Switzerland, no problem about registration, but I don't plan to. As I told them: I don't need small Switzerland, just for brothels and Verbier now. I will reach Klein Matterhorn from Italy I like and enjoy to drive there where carabinieri are not like WGs.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2550289]Always flashed only on autobahns and below 120 , so what speeding? When I really make big effort in Switzerland, when I m quite often more than 200 on some parts in France. Usually 40 CHF fines, but they charge 250 for justice not respecting international laws. Try to speak to polizei or administration in French or English, to test.[/QUOTE]Switzerland was ranked 18th in the World for English proficiency in non-English speaking nations.
France came in at 28th.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2550570]Those deaths?
[URL]https://www.wired.co.uk/article/norway-deaths-coronavirus-vaccine[/URL]
[URL]https://scroll.in/article/984481/the-deaths-of-pfizer-vaccine-recipients-in-norway-show-it-is-actually-stimulating-an-immune-response[/URL]
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-norway-idUSKBN29P2R1[/URL][/QUOTE]Thank you!
"It also depends on surveillance. Norway may have an especially rapid surveillance and reporting system in place, efficiently tracking everyone who has been vaccinated and quickly reporting any adverse outcomes.
We would expect surveillance reporting from other countries with an active vaccination program soon, increasing data critical to building a more accurate picture of vaccine safety across different populations."
8%+ Vaccine induced thrombocytopenia.
AZ vaccine.
Although other vaccines seems to show less thrombocytopenia cases, I suspect time is an important factor in all of this. Lesser number of T-cells doesn't mean that the binding towards blood plates isn't there. It just takes longer in order to notice the blood clots. And they may appear in thinner veins as tiny clots in the first few years.
HammerTime: you want to know why Manuaus got the worst strain of covid?
It is because Bolsonaro and the Brazilians are fucking with the Amazon rainforest, and Manuaus is at the heart of the problem. Basically the Brazilians brought this onto themselves.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2550570]Those deaths?
[URL]https://www.wired.co.uk/article/norway-deaths-coronavirus-vaccine[/URL]
[URL]https://scroll.in/article/984481/the-deaths-of-pfizer-vaccine-recipients-in-norway-show-it-is-actually-stimulating-an-immune-response[/URL]
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-norway-idUSKBN29P2R1[/URL][/QUOTE]You don't even need reports to refute nearly every vaccine side effect claim regarding the elderly. They are all basically using the fact that "old people die" as the foundation of their claims. What I mean is that they ignore background mortality rates in the population.
Average nursing home death rates in the USA are about 30% per year. Similar rates are seen in Western Europe. None of the vaccine death reports has surpassed that background rate even if extrapolating the 1 month rates up to an entire year.
COVID death rates in the elderly population has however declined sharply in 2021.
South Africa is getting it because the leadership there is trying to implement reverse apartheid and has done it for a long time now.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2550291]France now extending for ages to vaccine, because we have AZ nobody want, and not sure French will run for Johnson which will arrive on this week. EU will be more complicated to vaccine and reopen, when AZ is also not a star in Germany, Spain and probably others. We may compete with Russians who don't want sputnik.[/QUOTE]When UK mutant killed EU since beginning of the year, now our doctors start telling about even more killer Brazilian and they are not sure first 3 vaccines are efficient, when Brazil have 4000 daily deaths, when some come from, returning to France where they are from.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2550276]Don't you know about free speed on some parts in Germany, unfortunately more and more rare. Sometimes I m faster for more than 100 km / h than polizei cars in these parts, not even putting left foot on brake, right one full pushing, and no problem, just legal, their law. Even improving my cars for balance and increasing engine[/QUOTE]He said irresponsible, not illegal. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Even in free speed sections of German autobahns, if you crash while going over 130 mph, even in limitless zones, you are still liable and can be charged with recklessness. The unrestricted speed areas just means that you cannot be charged with speeding. All other infractions still apply. Even in unrestricted stretches of the autobahn, if you crash while going 200 km / HR while going around a bend, you are liable for any damages to public property.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2550234]Yes, I have a bio-medical background and, although I was hoping he was joking, I felt the urge to reply in case he wasn't and he was in fact complaining that vaccines give protection against viruses for too many years. It's like complaining against sun block companies that their products protect people too well against the damaging effects of UV radiation.[/QUOTE]Oh, that's normal for him, arguing while making contradictory points because he forgot the details of his previous bullshit assertion. Your observation just reflects the fact that he does not actually have core values and convictions. His belief system is based on a hodgepodge of article titles and fringe Youtube theorists.
Ever watched the show, Ancient Aliens?
Well we had a famous Swedish specialist on this board who claimed in June or July that herd immunity was in place in some parts of Sweden and that in August 2020, they beat the virus.
[URL]https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Weekly_death_statistics&stable[/URL]#Wide_disparities_between_countries.
On this nice table you can see how the 2nd wave was mild in Sweden, especially in December.
Herd immunity at its finest.
He also praised the action of the famous president Bolsonaro.
You can see here how efficient his policy is: [URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/brazil/[/URL].
Or search on Google: "ourworldindata Brazil excess mortality".
[QUOTE=Ararat;2550255]It's usually seen as a clear sign of being a narcissist when you're talking about yourself like that.[/QUOTE]You're obviously just another mentally ill troll. You've yet to post anything concerning mongering. Pathetic.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2550138]"South African variant can 'break through' Pfizer vaccine: Study".
[URL]https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/11/s-african-variant-can-break-through-pfizer-vaccine-study-says[/URL]
What a 'coincidence' that those South African, UK and Brazilian strains are so potent?
This is exactly what Geert vanden Bossche said: vaccinating in the middle of a pandemic is suicidal and causing more aggressive mutations:
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu8PlB4yQ4k[/URL]
South Africa, the UK and Brazil is where most pharmaceutical companies did their vaccine "testing;.
[URL]https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/oxford-covid-19-vaccine-trials/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Yes, that's called selective pressure. Aka, survival of the fittest, pretty much the most rudimentary basis of evolution. Yes, vaccination leads to certain strains being "selected" for proliferation. In this case, it is called artificial selection as opposed to natural selection. These are all expected findings from what we know about virology, immunology, infectious disease management, and evolution as a whole. That is why responsible nations have advocated measured use of even simple antibiotics by medical professionals, to reduce microbial resistance.
However, none of that negates the fact that, in the middle of a pandemic, when transmissions skyrocketed, these vaccines have reduced case fatality rates. The most notable effects are seen in the death rates of at-risk seniors in vaccinated nations. Despite the dramatic rise in cases in various regions, deaths have not risen proportionately in most higher vaccinated places.
I know that you actually even already know this as observed in your posts that criticize the practice of making policy based on the positive cases per set capita. It shows that you know that the important metric is not cases but rather health outcomes. Applying what you already know should render these criticisms of vaccines on variant transmissibility less pertinent.
The selective pressures vaccines put on transmissibility has no direct effects on pathogenicity. In fact, viruses gravitate towards decrease pathogenicity because their long-term survival depends on host survival.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2550313]if they control me again, I will refuse again to pay robbers who don't respect international laws and human rights, I never pay robbers, I know Swiss rate: 1 prison tag for 100 CHF, but with no mask nor test nor vaccine for me, I'm not afraid of virus, nor eating, nor speaking, nor going out of room for 1 hour daily walk, nor showering like on previous 3 prisons visit, and can't be afraid of Swiss polizei or administration, when you have to jump on right foot in rocks in Mont Gel , but I m pretty sure they will send me again doctor like on previous time. Good to train to fight pressure. But they told me I could work in Switzerland, no problem about registration, but I don't plan to. As I told them: I don't need small Switzerland, just for brothels and Verbier now. I will reach Klein Matterhorn from Italy I like and enjoy to drive there where carabinieri are not like WGs.[/QUOTE]Quite questionable logic even if the point is to fight an ideological battle based on principles. As you say, you will not pay them money. However, you are still paying them what they ask, with their determined value of your time's worth, 1 day for 100 CHF.
That's a poor exchange rate for a man in your position (I think). I don't know about you, but my time is worth much much more than 100 CHF per day. Six days in jail is worth several thousand CHF for me when a few hundred CHF was all I needed to lose. Unless your time is worth less than 4.17 CHF per hour, you lose and they still get what they want. All because of the irresponsible action of not addressing a problem because they did not write to you in French. All you had to do was call and I'm sure they would have sent you a correspondence written in French. You say they are not respecting international law, well neither did you when you were speeding through their country.
Mursenary clearly loves Shoobree, his sugar cheeks, and being told "me love you long time". A rare match, though surprising. However, they should book a room, as this site is for the sport of bedding beautiful young women. Then again, it may be part of an immunity experiment.
I've got a fresh supply of gypsy tears in an amulet to guards against COVID, AIDS and democrats. Sadly, ignorant governments who do not have the best advice from Pistons, Fox News and other scholastic sources have thus far been unpersuaded by my miracle cure at border control. I put this down to conspiracy / UFO / Alien / CIA / Cover Up and general intrigue.
If anyone wants some genuine Carpathian Mountains and village of ShitHole-sky, just PM me.
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2550683]Mursenary clearly loves Shoobree, his sugar cheeks, and being told "me love you long time". A rare match, though surprising. However, they should book a room, as this site is for the sport of bedding beautiful young women. Then again, it may be part of an immunity experiment.
I've got a fresh supply of gypsy tears in an amulet to guards against COVID, AIDS and democrats. Sadly, ignorant.[/QUOTE]Newsflash. This is the Rants and WTF thread. Lounge, general info, and others may be more to your liking. Dork.
Coagulation (Clotting): a response to (micro) vascular trauma.
Clot formation: platelets attach to lesion, forming a platelet plug, a primitive less stable "clot". Other blood clotting factors begin a cascade of activation and attachment that builds a more stable clot.
T-cell role in blood clotting: Binds to molecules on clots, including platelet plugs which signals less specific white blood cells such as macrophages to degrade / dispose of the clot.
What happens when the immune system is over stimulated: T cells cause the degradation of too many platelets, exhausting the building blocks of platelet / clot formation.
End result: Inefficient blood clotting leading to an increase in hemorrhagic events. By definition, overactive T-cell activity leads to the exact opposite of blood coagulation.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2550681]Quite questionable logic even if the point is to fight an ideological battle based on principles. As you say, you will not pay them money. However, you are still paying them what they ask, with their determined value of your time's worth, 1 day for 100 CHF.
That's a poor exchange rate for a man in your position (I think). I don't know about you, but my time is worth much much more than 100 CHF per day. Six days in jail is worth several thousand CHF for me when a few hundred CHF was all I needed to lose. Unless your time is worth less than 4.17 CHF per hour, you lose and they still get what they want. All because of the irresponsible action of not addressing a problem because they did not write to you in French. All you had to do was call and I'm sure they would have sent you a correspondence written in French. You say they are not respecting international law, well neither did you when you were speeding through their country.[/QUOTE]Well, questionable logic is the name of the game here. Maybe he likes the cavity searches or being the GF of Albanian drug mules.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2550641]It is because Bolsonaro and the Brazilians are fucking with the Amazon rainforest, and Manuaus is at the heart of the problem. Basically the Brazilians brought this onto themselves.[/QUOTE]First time I agree with you. The guy is a disaster.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2550631]Thank you[/QUOTE]You're welcome!
[QUOTE]In Nomas statement, Sigurd Hortemo, the agencys chief physician, said that we cannot rule out that common adverse reactions, such as fever and nausea, may contribute to a more serious course and fatal outcome in some frail patients with severe underlying diseases.[/QUOTE][QUOTE]Those who died were described as having severe underlying health conditions and were all aged 75 or over. (The number of deaths has since risen to 33, out of about 55,000 people who have received the first dose of the vaccine in the country.)[/QUOTE][QUOTE]In Norway, an estimated 45 people die in nursing homes or similar institutions every day.[/QUOTE][QUOTE] I think it's really a matter of being aware that death is common in a nursing home. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2550688]Coagulation (Clotting): a response to (micro) vascular trauma.
Clot formation: platelets attach to lesion, forming a platelet plug, a primitive less stable "clot". Other blood clotting factors begin a cascade of activation and attachment that builds a more stable clot.
T-cell role in blood clotting: Binds to molecules on clots, including platelet plugs which signals less specific white blood cells such as macrophages to degrade / dispose of the clot.
What happens when the immune system is over stimulated: T cells cause the degradation of too many platelets, exhausting the building blocks of platelet / clot formation.
End result: Inefficient blood clotting leading to an increase in hemorrhagic events. By definition, overactive T-cell activity leads to the exact opposite of blood coagulation.[/QUOTE]Actually it leads to both. Clotting, and just past the clot, it causes bleeding / hemorrhage. You should know this if you call yourself a doctor.
You should also know that clots can be lethal. So your line regarding degradation does not always work if something, like a vaccine has messed up your DNA (changed a clotting factor) or you are born with mutation (s) on any of your clotting factors. Or a combination of both.
There is an old joke: the Italians for trains, English for food and Swiss for tolerance, generosity and humor. Colonel Klink clearly had his ledgers out of order.
Mursenary is correct: you did paint a target on yourself and value some principle over mere $. The humor free Klink cannot even conceive of why you refuse to accept their version of reality or infallible bureaucracy. There is no grey in Switzerland. They love gold. Idi Amin, Russian Mafia and others on the lam are all welcome with money. The Swiss are nearly as bad as the city of London. Your protest will not deter them, and will probably do the opposite.
Swiss food is punishment enough.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2550681]Quite questionable logic even if the point is to fight an ideological battle based on principles. As you say, you will not pay them money. However, you are still paying them what they ask, with their determined value of your time's worth, 1 day for 100 CHF.[/QUOTE]When you are a prostitute addict and a money slave to them, every CHF counts and is directed towards the prostitutes. You sleep in your car (well the company car with the gas paid by the company), you have no other hobbies or just some excuses to convince yourself you have no addiction problem, like pretending you're a challenger for the rainbow Jersey when you ride a 95 % Taiwanese made piece of crap 4 months in the year, 90 km max every ride.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2550681]Quite questionable logic even if the point is to fight an ideological battle based on principles. As you say, you will not pay them money. However, you are still paying them what they ask, with their determined value of your time's worth, 1 day for 100 CHF.
That's a poor exchange rate for a man in your position (I think). I don't know about you, but my time is worth much much more than 100 CHF per day. Six days in jail is worth several thousand CHF for me when a few hundred CHF was all I needed to lose. Unless your time is worth less than 4.17 CHF per hour, you lose and they still get what they want. All because of the irresponsible action of not addressing a problem because they did not write to you in French. All you had to do was call and I'm sure they would have sent you a correspondence written in French. You say they are not respecting international law, well neither did you when you were speeding through their country.[/QUOTE]Do you ask justice to charge you? I don't. In Europe, justice have to prove and respect laws. If not, then no legal charge, and they abuse in Switzerland and know it, not letting You give a call, putting pressure on You. When they treat me like a criminal like they did, they will only get a criminal trained to resist to their pressure, but as I wrote, only my personal subjective way of thinking. When I m not a pimp robbering a girl money, I don t pay robbers. Even some opened brothels and Verbier, I didn't go on this year, because when late at job because of virus, I couldn t take risk to be put in jail when have to be daily on the field about safety, but will see in future. New car don t change anything when You are registered like a criminal, but I could still work in Switzerland they told me. Criminal but not terrorist yet. Only for flashes less than 120 km / h on autobahns, never under tunnels, when I kill my brakes in Switzerland. I now will spend much less money than before in Switzerland, just for pit stops in brothels, even I wish for my Verbier free ride on April 2022 , after great 5 runs for more than 3 hours, lift staff looking at me, on 2019, but getting older, but I know I can perform even better, like on my friend bicycle, running for my records, my motivation, my way of thinking.
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2550776]There is an old joke: the Italians for trains, English for food and Swiss for tolerance, generosity and humor. Colonel Klink clearly had his ledgers out of order.
Mursenary is correct: you did paint a target on yourself and value some principle over mere $. The humor free Klink cannot even conceive of why you refuse to accept their version of reality or infallible bureaucracy. There is no grey in Switzerland. They love gold. Idi Amin, Russian Mafia and others on the lam are all welcome with money. The Swiss are nearly as bad as the city of London. Your protest will not deter them, and will probably do the opposite.
Swiss food is punishment enough.[/QUOTE]I used to eat good, wild chamois, in Wallis, but before January 2019. Now I save my euros.
As we all know the lockdowns failed miserably pretty much all over Europe, just look at Germany, France, Spain, Belgium, Italy and so on. A huge failure with damning effects on the economy and the general health.
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2550683]Mursenary clearly loves Shoobree, his sugar cheeks, and being told "me love you long time". A rare match, though surprising. However, they should book a room, as this site is for the sport of bedding beautiful young women. Then again, it may be part of an immunity experiment.
I've got a fresh supply of gypsy tears in an amulet to guards against COVID, AIDS and democrats. Sadly, ignorant governments who do not have the best advice from Pistons, Fox News and other scholastic sources have thus far been unpersuaded by my miracle cure at border control. I put this down to conspiracy / UFO / Alien / CIA / Cover Up and general intrigue.
If anyone wants some genuine Carpathian Mountains and village of ShitHole-sky, just PM me.[/QUOTE]Well, the gay troll has a crush on me. It's not mutual.
Unlike the gay troll I'm actually straight and didn't create multiple accounts to troll straight mongers.
Why do I always have to put up with wannabe doctors who only knows 20 year old 101 literature at first grade?
I always like to stick to updated science:
[URL]https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/prac-recommendation/signal-assessment-report-embolic-thrombotic-events-smq-covid-19-vaccine-chadox1-s-recombinant-covid_en.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwidisaHu_rvAhW6hf0HHSvlB8YQFjABegQIBhAC&usg=AOvVaw3oQqWnmwfUyEWzMJW90DY4[/URL]
Updates. It is a pro in terms of communication.
P.S. only read the text, and not the conclusion in that EMA PDF file I linked in my last post. As they are clearly trying to hide over the facts as seen here:
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1884189/[/URL]
As always, wannabe doctors at all levels lie. So one needs to make use of common sense.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2550732]First time I agree with you. The guy is a disaster.[/QUOTE]Are you fucking serious? He's now making baseless claims that link covid variants to the Amazon rain forest. Meanwhile still spewing erroneous medical / science claims. Don't feed the zoo animals.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2550808]Well, the gay troll has a crush on me. It's not mutual.
Unlike the gay troll I'm actually straight and didn't create multiple accounts to troll straight mongers.[/QUOTE]Oh you don't have to like it. You can just lay there. I'll make sure to wipe your butthole when it's done. A gentleman always brings a towel. See ya tonight!
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2550795]Do you ask justice to charge you? I don't. In Europe, justice have to prove and respect laws. If not, then no legal charge, and they abuse in Switzerland and know it, not letting You give a call, putting pressure on You. When they treat me like a criminal like they did, they will only get a criminal trained to resist to their pressure, but as I wrote, only my personal subjective way of thinking. When I m not a pimp robbering a girl money, I don t pay robbers.[/QUOTE]But you did pay them. They asked for 6 days in jail in lieu of 600 CHF and you gave it to them it. Perhaps if you were really fighting for your ideals, you would have not have let them arrest you.
T-cells binding to platelets do not cause blood clots.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2550671]The selective pressures vaccines put on transmissibility has no direct effects on pathogenicity. In fact, viruses gravitate towards decrease pathogenicity because their long-term survival depends on host survival.[/QUOTE]Too bad then that the gain-of-function scientists gravitate towards the opposite.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2550861]Are you fucking serious? He's now making baseless claims that link covid variants to the Amazon rain forest. Meanwhile still spewing erroneous medical / science claims. Don't feed the zoo animals.[/QUOTE]USA is putting the J&J vaccine on hold today due to exactly what I have been talking about here for weeks or months now:
[URL]https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/04/13/986709618/u-s-recommends-pausing-use-of-johnson-johnson-vaccine-over-blood-clot-concerns?t=1618332576369[/URL]
But uneducated wannabes refuse to listen to reason. Much like Bolsonaro. So indeed, when you do get vaccine induced thrombocytopenia yourself, it was your doing.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2550648]He said irresponsible, not illegal. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Even in free speed sections of German autobahns, if you crash while going over 130 mph, even in limitless zones, you are still liable and can be charged with recklessness. The unrestricted speed areas just means that you cannot be charged with speeding. All other infractions still apply. Even in unrestricted stretches of the autobahn, if you crash while going 200 km / HR while going around a bend, you are liable for any damages to public property.[/QUOTE]Why is it irresponsible to push as fast your car is able when this is legal, when you have no crash since so many hundreds thousands kilometers, mostly at night, but also under rain, on snow, figures talk, same like in FKK. I prepared to improve my first car BMW E21 Hartge 3 when I was only 21 with race engine air filter and injectors, I improved and drove daily for 15 years a RS500 Cosworth with race injectors, turbo and wastegate, making a race car with much harder balance from Bilstein. Today, guy who bought me, called me for a information about engine preparation, I told him she is made to put right foot full in, he told me she is more sporty than his Mustang Shelby 600 power, just normal: a race car will always be more sporty than a powerful car, and Americans are really not the sportiest, not for maximum speed, but in curves and for grip, so I told him: As soon I can, I will come, when he is close to Germany, to show him what is a race car grip and balance, we will try his Shelby pushing 280, when past beloved rodeo girl go to 250 , and maybe he will let me try the one I missed, but my rodeo girl was more exclusive, but fantastic karting Escort RS Cosworth, even bad luck just original 220 power, but a real karting for balance and grip. When he makes a impressive collection, but he drinks my passion. Should be fun and great adrenaline. I was so frustrated for 10 years with company cars, VW or BMW, but couldn't improve them, just boring cars, so happy when I could have again my own car, to improve, to make so much more interesting to drive, even very complicated about electronic with last one and Audi had to change engine under guaranty, wish will have better potential to perform, working on to improve, to feel more sensations, even nothing compare to ski or going downhill on narrow tires great bicycle able to climb the steepest when I wait for 2 here, when never saw any carbon climbing alone.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2550861]Are you fucking serious? He's now making baseless claims that link covid variants to the Amazon rain forest. Meanwhile still spewing erroneous medical / science claims. Don't feed the zoo animals.[/QUOTE]No, I agree with him about Bolsonaro destroying the rain forest.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2550795]Do you ask justice to charge you? I don't. In Europe, justice have to prove and respect laws. If not, then no legal charge, and they abuse in Switzerland and know it, not letting You give a call, putting pressure on You. When they treat me like a criminal like they did, they will only get a criminal trained to resist to their pressure,[/QUOTE]To clarify, are you just stating your criticism of the process? (Not writing to you in French and depriving you of a phone call).
Or are you saying that you were innocent altogether, not ever speeding on Swiss highways and have never been "flashed" by a traffic control device?
The latter would not excuse the first offense by the Swiss authorities but would help your audience here formulate a better understanding of your gripe.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2550873]T-cells binding to platelets do not cause blood clots.[/QUOTE]Depends on where they bind.
Interesting article regarding Manaus, Brazil and herd immunity:
Article states that a seroprevalence study of SARS-Cov2 antibodies in blood donors from Manaus estimated a 76% infection rate by October 2020. That's well over the herd immunity threshold and, if not, should at least have mitigated the recent surge. Perhaps of further concern, the recent surge was not correlated with the Brazilian P1 variant. The recent surge was mostly due to that same old China-Virus, Kung-Flu strain, suggesting reinfection with the same strain after achieving "natural immunity. "
This suggests that either:
1. Estimates of prior infections using blood donor antibody prevalence was wrong.
2. Natural antibody production wanes after several months.
3. There is another strain that has not been identified which is not affected by the body's natural immune response.
In the beginning of this whole pandemic, I also tilted toward the possibility of shooting for herd immunity so the effects on the economy and personal life could be avoided. This data coming out of Brazil now casts more doubt on the herd immunity position. As such, especially if this trend is observed elsewhere, say Mexico or Colombia, it would suggest a more imperative case that vaccines, made to be more specific in recognizing parts of the virus that are less prone to frequent mutation, are the most direct way to eliminate / reduce the COVID threat.
[URL] https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00183-5/fulltext[/URL]
*Addendum: Article also mentioned that analysis of blood donations in Peru resulted in an estimated 70% infection rate prior to the Christmas surge. That's 2 regions where the estimated 67% herd immunity threshold failed to produce acceptable results.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2550817]Why do I always have to put up with wannabe doctors who only knows 20 year old 101 literature at first grade?
I always like to stick to updated science:
[URL]https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/prac-recommendation/signal-assessment-report-embolic-thrombotic-events-smq-covid-19-vaccine-chadox1-s-recombinant-covid_en.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwidisaHu_rvAhW6hf0HHSvlB8YQFjABegQIBhAC&usg=AOvVaw3oQqWnmwfUyEWzMJW90DY4[/URL]
Updates. It is a pro in terms of communication.[/QUOTE]45 fatal cases for 20 M doses. That makes around 1/500,000.
Covid mortality rate in France: 100,000 deaths for 5 M confirmed cases. That makes around 1/50. Guess which one is the biggest ratio?
Hypothesis (big one) : only one case out of 4 is confirmed because the others one are asymptomatic, are not tested, whatever.
That makes 1/200.
New hypothesis: every French got the virus. 100,000/70 M, that makes 1/700. Still way bigger than 1/500,000.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2550867]But you did pay them. They asked for 6 days in jail in lieu of 600 CHF and you gave it to them it. Perhaps if you were really fighting for your ideals, you would have not have let them arrest you.[/QUOTE]Or, he could have filed a lawsuit against those cops.
You basically now show to the world that you know nothing about the blood plate factors.
Our poor Metz district which was under UK mutant since months and now 30% new cases are south African, when Brazilian now entered in EU with 20% cases in Portugal, but also in Spain, Italy, NL, Belgium and France, so high killer should spread, when already problems about Johnson when not arrived yet, and AZ not many want. 2021 may be complicated for EU, when 4000 daily deaths in Brazil and young and who already had original but repeated with Brazilian.
There are plenty of literature regarding Heparin induced thrombocytopenia and it's link to blood plate factor 4. All wannabe sheep doctors should have been programmed to know this. As they are only tools.
Now the vaccines doesn't have heparin. But when you see the same results, chances are that similar bindings have occurred on one or more plate factors due to the vaccine.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2550756]You're welcome![quote]
In Norway, an estimated 45 people die in nursing homes or similar institutions every day.
I think it's really a matter of being aware that death is common in a nursing home.[/quote][/QUOTE]This point is consistent with the criticisms regarding vaccine side effects. The somewhat valid ones, not the silly sterility and DNA editing claims.
These death rates in vaccinated people do not supersede the background death rates of the target population (control group).
As for CSVT (cerebral blood clots), we've seen that the pauses in AZ and now JJ vaccines occurred when the incidence was well below the background incidence.
Background of CSVT is 4 per million; meanwhile, the AZ saw less than 0. 5 per million while the JnJ reports less than 1 per million. (Other clots seen with AZ occur at 2 per millions).
For further perspective, the newest generation of birth control pills that have been used for over a decade now sees an incidence of 27 cases per million within 2 weeks of use.
Even before weighing the risk / reward of these vaccines against COVID, we can do simple arithmetic and conclude that 0. 5 and 1 are less than 4 and 27. Duh.
Sources:
Birth control and Background CSVT incidence:
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4313700/?fbclid=IwAR0LZeizelGXbj22FBzQgmS5QN6hlbLwow9YxaN-l4AtdT4_HBiCMQlQZxo[/URL]
JnJ CSVT incidence:
[URL] https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/04/13/986709618/u-s-recommends-pausing-use-of-johnson-johnson-vaccine-over-blood-clot-concerns[/URL]
AZ CSVT incidence:
[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/astrazeneca-whats-the-deal-with-thrombosis/a-56901525[/URL]
France suspends all Brazil flights over Covid-19 variant fears.
[URL]https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210413-france-suspends-all-brazil-flights-over-covid-19-variant-fears[/URL]
Is this a racist action?
This study was a topic of my hospital's bi-weekly critical care meeting. A study produced by clinicians in Oslo examining the 5 cases of CSVT treated at their hospital coined the term, Vaccine-induced thrombocytopenia. It mimics a condition called heparin-induced thrombocytopenia (HIT) where people have autoimmune reactions once given the anticoagulation medication, heparin. The cases were unfortunate and understandably caused concerns which remain in Scandinavian countries. It was odd to us that with so few people vaccinated with AZ in Norway (130 K), why was there a higher prevalence of CSVT compared to any other nation? Is there a genetic element? An interaction with other medications?
One major criticism was how they arrived at their conclusion. As mentioned, they base their conclusions on what we know about HIT. As such, they tested for the same antibodies produced by an autoimmune reaction to heparin. What was odd, and why others in the medical community have criticized their methodology, was that while they correctly stated that the patients had no prior exposure to heparin, their report revealed that they measured the antibody levels only AFTER administering low molecular weight heparin.
Two things:
1. In the very litigious practice of medicine in the United States and UK, heparin would be cautiously used in those patients due to the possibility of exacerbating the pathophysiology of the condition.
2. They measured the antibodies usually formed in HIT after administering a low-molecular weight heparin to the patients.
This is why studies are peer reviewed. It is not just results that drive progress, background and methodology matters just as much.
[URL]https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2104882[/URL]
[QUOTE=Gino02;2550956]Or, he could have filed a lawsuit against those cops.[/QUOTE]Yep. If his rights were actually violated and he had a case, that would have been the best course of action. But he knew that he was guilty. And with his prideful accounts of speeding, we all know the same. Hell I speed too. But when I'm caught, I admit fault and accept my punishment with some dignity.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2550942]Why is it irresponsible to push as fast your car is able when this is legal, when you have no crash since so many hundreds thousands kilometers, mostly at night, but also under rain, on snow, figures talk, same like in FKK.[/QUOTE]No matter how good a driver you are, when on a public road, you cannot ensure that others on the road are also paying attention. Same for random animals, pot holes, etc. Defensive driving 101.
Mursenary points to birth control ratios to COVID. I could go further and attribute car accidents, or anything. When you look at obese Americans with existing cardiovascular issues and lining up at the supermarket pharmacy to cure the diseases they self-inflicted lining up with a shopping cart of shit food in the same supermarket not that long before. The whole thing is pandering to population potential hysteria the elites think of as mostly irrational idiots, and sadly, they are right. They cannot explain anything in life has risks in case the anti-vaxxers jump onboard. You would be amazed how many people believe in UFOs, made up gods and various delusions. Most lack critical thinking too. Much of the stuff about vaccines is straight up mental. There is a market for the crazy, mysticism and etc. Eyeballs = advertising $. Keep 'em coming back is the plan of casinos, facebook and so on that spend a lot of money on behavioral science for this very effect.
Luckily I have my gypsy tears as a fool proof prophylactic, including STDs and <insert -ism. Works better than garlic.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2550888]USA is putting the J&J vaccine on hold today due to exactly what I have been talking about here for weeks or months now:
[URL]https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/04/13/986709618/u-s-recommends-pausing-use-of-johnson-johnson-vaccine-over-blood-clot-concerns?t=1618332576369[/URL]
But uneducated wannabes refuse to listen to reason. Much like Bolsonaro. So indeed, when you do get vaccine induced thrombocytopenia yourself, it was your doing.[/QUOTE]J&J is a disaster, but USA will be okay, defense in depth. We have enough oversupply of Pfizer and Moderna to screw up everyone's DNA here, no problem. Yes, I'm still glad that I got the J&J, older tech is better than new.
Hematology 201 - sophomore year.
T cell binding to platelets do not cause platelets to form blood clots, no matter where they bind. By definition, platelets aggregates are not even actual blood clots. Instead, they promote the formation of thrombin clots, actual blood clots.
Thrombotic thrombocytopenia on the other hand, is a condition in which platelet levels become depleted but immune complexes formed in part by platelet granules and various molecules are bound by antibodies that recruit thrombin, leading to thrombosis, especially in arteries. What we see in CSVT are venous blood clots.
T cells do not tell tell platelets what to do, rather platelets can activate T cells to perform various tasks of the immune system.
I searched Up-to-Date, the premiere source of established medical knowledge in the United States, and no where does the literature have any mention of T-cell induced thrombosis in relation to platelets. In every direct instance, T cells play a role in the degradation of blood clots, not their formation.
Autoimmune thrombotic thrombocytopenia however can result in platelets initiating a sequence of events that leads to blood clots but they are facilitated by antibodies which are produced by B_cells. The function of T cells in this instance, is at best, to facilitate some secondary cell-cell communication. I'm too far from undergrad to remember those details. But for that to occur, both B_cells and T cells must develop an autoimmune disorder. Odd thing is that these blood clots are not implicated in the mRNA vaccines. Another conspiracy myth.
As such, if someone was to say that aberrant autoimmune B_cell activation leads to immune complex formation with platelet granules leading to thrombosis, they would be correct. Insisting on T-cells binding to sites on platelets causing clot formation, well that shows a lack of understanding likely due to a lack of fundamental, life-science foundation. Throw in some unbelievably mis-found arrogance too.
HammerTime: Did you read this?
80% of the people in Sicily are turning down the vaccine from AZ!
[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/sicily-80-percent-turn-down-astrazeneca-vaccine-hesitancy-2021-4[/URL]
1000 - 0.
To us anti-vaxxers and the Sicilian mafia against the wannabe know-nothing corrupt death spawns on this forum!
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2551005]Works better than garlic.[/QUOTE]Actually, garlic extract is quite good for your blood. Allcin has some good properties. Add it with onion to your diet and you are good!
Take it from the real doctor here on the forum! No need for scam-ridden mafia products at the pharmacy.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2550965]As for CSVT (cerebral blood clots), we've seen that the pauses in AZ and now JJ vaccines occurred when the incidence was well below the background incidence.[/QUOTE]LOL!
In 2.7% of the test subjects who received the AZ vaccine, the amount of T-cells in their blood broke the chart. They couldn't even measure the amount!
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2551005]You would be amazed how many people believe in UFOs, made up gods and various delusions. Most lack critical thinking too. Much of the stuff about vaccines is straight up mental. There is a market for the crazy, mysticism and etc.[/QUOTE]I don't have as much disdain for the American people as you, but fair.
But since we are all entitled to one belief or two without proof, UFO's are definitely possible.
Well, at least aliens are. Human sized spaceships may not be needed for interstellar travel.
[QUOTE=Clodius1;2551014]J&J is a disaster, but USA will be okay, defense in depth. We have enough oversupply of Pfizer and Moderna to screw up everyone's DNA here, no problem. Yes, I'm still glad that I got the J&J, older tech is better than new.[/QUOTE]I understand your apprehension. Fair enough. Old tech vaccines will be very useful in ending this foolishness.
But once you shed the pop culture influences, the mRNA vaccines are superior in every way except for the logistics of delivery (cold storage, 2-dose schedule).
They are deliberate and specific (encodes for specific viral proteins, no more, no less). They are delivered in innate lipid particles as opposed to immunogenic vectors required with traditional vaccines. That means they infuse to cells and deliver the "package" without the need for viral / bacterial vectors that illicit non-specific immunogenic responses. They are easily altered for future adjustments as antigenicity shifts in the virus.
The comparisons of the two technologies is like comparing MP3's versus tape cassettes. Microsoft Word versus Typewriters.
[QUOTE=Clodius1;2551014]J&J is a disaster[/QUOTE]That's what I said! And they always have been!
Though the amateurs in here have advocated otherwise.
Or wait? Are they actually changing their minds too now?
Levity aside.
I'm only a year 1 university biochemistry dropout and am pretty ignorant, but I know the difference between subunits, attenuated, adenovirus, and deactivated and proteins and ligands and most of the cellular components. Cells in humans are vastly different in what they do. I'm smart enough to know much smarter people than me are on this little problem. It's not in some dark room with cigars by some elite or CIA / UFO / government cover up / Bill Gates blah blah conspiracy. That's not to say they are not exploiting it economically, but that's another topic.
Our DNA is morphing and changing all the time, slowly, radiation, virii and the proteins are all replicating, dying or mutating, cancer being the penalty for multi-cellular. We have about 60-100 trillion cells. Some will change for any number of reasons. This is how evolution works. It's a big squishy mess and not particularly well designed in some ways, and brilliant in other ways. In fact, based on left-hand sugars found in meteors, there is a fairly high chance earth got seeded by bombardment a long time ago. Ladies milking cows (not cocks) did not get smallpox, and were unwittingly getting a natural vaccine. So crapping on about vaccine fucking up our DNA is pretty way out there. It would take enormous effort to get collusion of thousands of labs in different countries testing and cross checking. There is probably nearly a people with PhDs working on this. That's why conspiracies are mostly bogus. Incompetence is far more likely. Chances are you have HPV from the many girls we have had. It too changes protein expression that DNA / RNA folds. There is noting bad about virii per se. There are so many they are probably essential.
What has changed is a giant megaphone and social media that enables everyone to be an expert. If we went back to the 1950's with polio, and gave everyone a smart phone, we would be as fucked up as we are today. The lack of trust in politicians and institutions fans the flames, and selling BS is profitable. Keeps the population fighting over bullshit rather a cool look at income to asset price growth curve, falling income and the sucking squid of Wall Street. Vaccines, trans-gender soy beans, gun rights and other BS is the distraction trick.
All too hard. I need a BJ. And for Thailand and FKKs to open. There are clever guys on this forum,but some are dropkicks. The DNA altering conspiracy is absurd.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2550945]To clarify, are you just stating your criticism of the process? (Not writing to you in French and depriving you of a phone call).
Or are you saying that you were innocent altogether, not ever speeding on Swiss highways and have never been "flashed" by a traffic control device?
The latter would not excuse the first offense by the Swiss authorities but would help your audience here formulate a better understanding of your gripe.[/QUOTE]How much can he be believed anything he is claiming? Initially he claimed he was never speeding, then he changed it to never caught they can't prove it was him, latest is well he was on a highway so who cares about speed limit signs, plus it is so stressful for him to drive under 120, then it turns out he got multiple fines. If he got the letters only in German, and that is a big if, anybody could read there that it was from police in Switzerland, it would have the speed in km / h, date and location of infraction and an amount to be paid. Would it be really that difficult to understand what it is about? It wasn't written in Cyrillic or Hanzi or Kanji characters. You got caught speeding, tough luck buttercup, actions have consequences, be a man, pay up, be more careful next time.
I am sure it is possible to antagonize police officers, just be a dick to them. It's high up on the list of stupid things you can do when in a foreign country. If you really try to annoy them, they can find a way to make things interesting. Comparing such a situation with human rights violations in China or Russia is just ridiculous and an insult to people who really are affected by them.
Never mind the other delusions, 50+ guy who does less than 1000 km per year cycling (this is what pros do in 5 race days), but claiming he is fitter than a still active multiple world champion, the monger who gives most prostitutes their first ever orgasm in life, etc, etc.
How credible is anything coming from the same person?
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2550945]To clarify, are you just stating your criticism of the process? (Not writing to you in French and depriving you of a phone call).
Or are you saying that you were innocent altogether, not ever speeding on Swiss highways and have never been "flashed" by a traffic control device?
The latter would not excuse the first offense by the Swiss authorities but would help your audience here formulate a better understanding of your gripe.[/QUOTE]Only flashes on cars, but driver was never arrested overspeeding in Switzerland, only controls on borders or elsewhere, when I was arrested in Germany and I paid, so if You are able to understand, just 0 proof about the driver in Switzerland. Then, letters written in German when law is to write me in French, to make sure I understand the charge. Then abusive justice charge and treating me like a criminal to put pressure on me, when 0 proof despite they put messe in my car, so I m innocent according to law, but then behaving like a criminal, as they treated me. My very easy way for thinking and like with girls, my principles are more important than grocery and arithmetic. But as I previously wrote, as I doubt to have my 2 followers climbing with me on this Summer, maybe only their carbon light bicycles climbing alone and less heavy, when I m sure my french brand and me will be able to climb more than Sagan will climb on this year, with about 30 highest ranked, more than Giro, tour de France and Vuelta all together for highest ranked climbings, for great Summer I want to make, just my subjective way of thinking and like in brothels I don t care about jealous obsessed followers, Kate told me about when she was bullshit by some, who don t know the meaning of addiction. Maybe You should explain this disease to your friends who would run to brothels if they could.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2550991]France suspends all Brazil flights over Covid-19 variant fears.
[URL]https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210413-france-suspends-all-brazil-flights-over-covid-19-variant-fears[/URL]
Is this a racist action?[/QUOTE]2020 wants its joke back.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2551135]2020 wants its joke back.[/QUOTE]He crushed you as usual.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2551088]Only flashes on cars, but driver was never arrested overspeeding in Switzerland, only controls on borders or elsewhere, when I was arrested in Germany and I paid, so if You are able to understand, just 0 proof about the driver in Switzerland. Then, letters written in German when law is to write me in French, to make sure I understand the charge. Then abusive justice charge and treating me like a criminal to put pressure on me, when 0 proof despite they put messe in my car, so I m innocent according to law, but then behaving like a criminal, as they treated me. My very easy way for thinking and like with girls, my principles are more important than grocery and arithmetic. But as I previously wrote, as I doubt to have my 2 followers climbing with me on this Summer, maybe only their carbon light bicycles climbing alone and less heavy, when I m sure my french brand and me will be able to climb more than Sagan will climb on this year, with about 30 highest ranked, more than Giro, tour de France and Vuelta all together for highest ranked climbings, for great Summer I want to make, just my subjective way of thinking and like in brothels I don t care about jealous obsessed followers, Kate told me about when she was bullshit by some, who don t know the meaning of addiction. Maybe You should explain this disease to your friends who would run to brothels if they could.[/QUOTE]You just have no moral and no honor. You are overspeeding so many times and you don't have the honesty to admit it, you just try to escape your responsibility, you are saying you are a accomplished sportsmen are those the rules you are defending, like cheating, lying, no respecting the laws.
[QUOTE=Clodius1;2551014]J&J is a disaster, but USA will be okay, defense in depth. We have enough oversupply of Pfizer and Moderna to screw up everyone's DNA here, no problem. Yes, I'm still glad that I got the J&J, older tech is better than new.[/QUOTE]Sure, I agree, who needs progress in health care? I would advocate going back to the times where dentistry was performed as a moonlighting job by skilled butchers. That was the real dentistry experience, not the sissy one we have today, full of anesthetics and low pain procedures.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2551051]That's what I said! And they always have been!
Though the amateurs in here have advocated otherwise.
Or wait? Are they actually changing their minds too now?[/QUOTE]6 cases of thrombosis in 6.8 millions doses given (I. E. Ultra rare adverse events):
[URL]https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/joint-cdc-and-fda-statement-johnson-johnson-covid-19-vaccine[/URL]
If you think this is a disaster, I would advise you not to take any medicine for the rest of your life.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2551051]That's what I said! And they always have been!
Though the amateurs in here have advocated otherwise.
Or wait? Are they actually changing their minds too now?[/QUOTE]Well you've been saying that mARN vaccines will alter our genetics and turn us into blood thirsty monsters because this new witchcraft has never been tested on humans. So you were implying that it was better to rely on a more proven technology.
Now you say that 'classic' vaccines will give potentially lethal blood clots to 8% of us (I'm still waiting for your source by the way).
What's left? Solarium?
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2551151]He crushed you as usual.[/QUOTE]Oh really sugar cheeks? How so?
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2551088]Only flashes on cars, but driver was never arrested overspeeding in Switzerland, only controls on borders or elsewhere, when I was arrested in Germany and I paid, so if You are able to understand, just 0 proof about the driver in Switzerland. Then, letters written in German when law is to write me in French, to make sure I understand the charge. Then abusive justice charge and treating me like a criminal to put pressure on me, when 0 proof despite they put messe in my car, so I m innocent according to law, but then behaving like a criminal, as they treated me. My very easy way for thinking and like with girls, my principles are more important than grocery and arithmetic. .[/QUOTE]So they had your license plate number and have a picture of it but not you driving?
If so, who was driving you car? Did you let someone borrow it? Or did someone steal it without you knowing?
I've seen the back of you car. It was completely full of boxes of papers. It was already quite messy. Like, mentally unhealthy messy.
Curious, how many private escorts have you seen since the brothels closed?
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2551077]How credible is anything coming from the same person?[/QUOTE]Not consistently reliable. But wondering if he is even aware himself. The best liars are the ones who believe their own lies. Their created reality is quite real to them.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2551151]He crushed you as usual.[/QUOTE]LOL imagine if the whole world listened to Trump back in Jan-Feb 2020 when he suggested the same action (stopping flights from China). Remember what the expert libtards like Pelosi, Schumer and the loonies on CNN were blaming Trump for? Even Macron and Merkel were crying Trump is racist haha. Some people are really slow, and people who vote for them are even slower and complete stupid!
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2551019]Thrombotic thrombocytopenia on the other hand, is a condition in which platelet levels become depleted but immune complexes formed in part by platelet granules and various molecules are bound by antibodies that recruit thrombin, leading to thrombosis, especially in arteries. What we see in CSVT are venous blood clots.[/QUOTE]Congratulation. You just googled forward basically the exact same thing I've been saying here for awhile now.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2551019]Insisting on T-cells binding to sites on platelets causing clot formation, well that shows a lack of understanding likely due to a lack of fundamental, life-science foundation. Throw in some unbelievably mis-found arrogance too.[/QUOTE]When you have extreme amounts of T-cells, and depletion of platelets, something is wrong. Then either the breaking up of platelets are not functioning on some level, or something is off in regards to producing the T-cells.
Noone knows exactly what is happening yet. It is only a theory. But we see the results clear as day. And they are not good.
MRNA does have a slight increase in thrombosis also. But instead of 2.8% as with AZ, we are talking 0. 14% so far in terms of cases. So the difference is massive. But as long as we don't know exactly how this is happening yet, as was written in the links I posted, we don't know if this is something becomes a bigger problem over time. Or even after more and more shots are being taken to the same individual. In a study regarding MMR vaccines, the T-cell levels increased in 67% of the cases. And this in turn results in fewer platelets.
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2551076]Our DNA is morphing and changing all the time, slowly, radiation, virii and the proteins are all replicating, dying or mutating, cancer being the penalty for multi-cellular. We have about 60-100 trillion cells. Some will change for any number of reasons. This is how evolution works. It's a big squishy mess and not particularly well designed in some ways, and brilliant in other ways. In fact, based on left-hand sugars found in meteors, there is a fairly high chance earth got seeded by bombardment a long time ago. Ladies milking cows (not cocks) did not get smallpox, and were unwittingly getting a natural vaccine. So crapping on about vaccine fucking up our DNA is pretty way out there. It would take enormous effort to get collusion of thousands of labs in different countries testing and cross checking. There is probably nearly a people with PhDs working on this. That's why conspiracies are mostly bogus. Incompetence is far more likely. Chances are you have HPV from the many girls we have had. It too changes protein expression that DNA / RNA folds. [/QUOTE]1. I agree with the first part regarding mutations etc.
2. I have already posted links twice to where the head of the investigation in the Wuhan lab himself discussed the large effort into cataloging and studying how to change the covid virus in order for it to transmit easier between human beings. And how that effort was being spearheaded at the Wuhan lab was reported on in a nature magazine article awhile back. This is no such thing as a conspiracy here when he plainly says it as clear as day in the interview he had with that Columbia uni virology professor.
3. In regards to changing the DNA, you are probably right. It probably depends on the length of the rna strand. But I never used this argument either for that reason. I just mentioned it was risky on the same merits as crispr cas-9 is risky. Then again cas-9 is not complicated enough, and that is probably the problem.
I do wonder if parts of this new rna technology will be useful in order to change DNA the same way crispr has tried it. With good help from AI of course.
4. I thought we had already agreed on the fact that we already had a dousing or more hpv viruses long before even entering an FKK. So worrying about catching maybe one more strain you randomly had missed previously should probably not be your biggest concern.
Good for Mursenary that he learnt about be-cells in the heparin induced thrombocytopenia literature I advised him to Google.
At least I can help in programming him into a slightly smarter individual.
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2551076]I'm smart enough to know much smarter people than me are on this little problem. It's not in some dark room with cigars by some elite or CIA / UFO / government cover up / Bill Gates blah blah conspiracy. That's not to say they are not exploiting it economically, but that's another topic.
It would take enormous effort to get collusion of thousands of labs in different countries testing and cross checking. That's why conspiracies are mostly bogus. Incompetence is far more likely.
What has changed is a giant megaphone and social media that enables everyone to be an expert.
The DNA altering conspiracy is absurd.[/QUOTE]Kinda sums it up. Backroom believers are probably just scared. Of society's winners and losers, for some reason they usually tilt toward the loser camp. Spurned by traditional society, they have failed to successfully "play the game".
Their lives are incomplete and they are unable to come to terms with their mediocrity and failures yet unwilling to do the hard work to improve their positions. Instead, they point their fingers toward a clandestine group malevolently steering society. Same basis for people who constantly blame society's problems on racism, sexism, or immigrants. But I digress.
My theory is that their failures make them so broken that they are uncomfortable with the fact that society's direction is the result of the push and pull of a plurality of groups with varying agendas. I think the idea of backroom elites being in charge actually gives many of them comfort and peace of mind. Others, well they're just starving to be seen as enlightened. Either way, conspiracy theorists seem to lack authentically and genuinely earned self confidence. Besides being broken failures, other common traits in conspiracy theorists: superficial arrogance plus lack of fundamentals.
Side note: Theories that the foundation of life came from extrastellar comets and meteors have more scientific basis than most of these conspiracy theories. Complex organic molecules such as amino acids and lipids have already been found in meteorites. The question of whether these macromolecules were formed prior to the meteorite landing on earth. [B]But that's the difference between conspiracy theorists and actual scientific minded people: these theories stay theories until consistently proven and results replicated instead of asserting them as facts without sufficient proof.[/B].
As for viruses, it's a popular theory that they are the first stepping stones to life on earth if not considered lifeforms themselves. "Nothing wrong with viruses," is a whole other belief. They're competing to exist just like any other "life form". That means that while the vast majority are harmless, the rest are more often parasitic than beneficial. Same with bacteria, most are harmless, even gut and epidermal bacteria are essential for good health. But I'm not sure one would say that there is "nothing wrong" with them, a little misleading. Just being philosophical I guess.
I can tell because it doesn't seem like our nurse here knows that be-cells are a type of white blood cells.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2550997]No matter how good a driver you are, when on a public road, you cannot ensure that others on the road are also paying attention. Same for random animals, pot holes, etc. Defensive driving 101.[/QUOTE]There is no good driver. According to insurances, there are drivers who don't crash, maximum bonus for me when I m over ranked for kilometers I drive, and those who crash who pay more expensive and have problems with insurance. I prefer to take my time with girls, to control on the edge to make pleasure longer and higher, but when I started ski before 3 yo, I love speed and adrenaline since I was a child. I really have to make big efforts in Switzerland, braking all along, when stress is important crashes cause, when I relax in Germany when free speed, or in Italy where they have car culture. I rent a car on my first US visit, but never on others, except in Bonneville, impossible for me to drive so slow, faster to walk.
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2551005]Mursenary points to birth control ratios to COVID. [/QUOTE]For clarity, I compared Cerebral Sinus venous blood clot incidence in people taking widely used oral contraceptives to CSVT in people who received the vaccine.
Contraceptive group:
27 per million within 2 weeks of starting medication.
JnJ group:
0. 85 per million within 2 weeks of vaccination.
General population:
4 per million annually.
The point was to put perspective on the JnJ headlines.
Conspiracy theorists can't read, make too many assumptions.
Obviously B_Cells are white blood cells. Things we learned in 9th grade.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2551247]There is no good driver. According to insurances, there are drivers who don't crash, maximum bonus for me when I m over ranked for kilometers I drive, and those who crash who pay more expensive and have problems with insurance. L[/QUOTE]Ensure and Insure are two different words.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2551088]Only flashes on cars, but driver was never arrested overspeeding in Switzerland.[/QUOTE]LOL, "only flashes on cars". Here we go again with the mysterious self driving car.
Again irrelevant argument, since in Switzerland the concept of "Halterhaftung" applies in the case of speeding fines. I have quoted before the Swiss law and case decision in the Swiss Federal Court.
BTW, the law is similar in the authoritarian oppressor states of Austria and Netherlands. An example litigated in the European Court of Human Rights in Falk vs Netherlands 2004.
"A person's right in a criminal case to be presumed innocent and to require the prosecution to bear the onus of proving the allegations against him or her is not absolute, since presumptions of fact or of law operate in every criminal-law system and are not prohibited in principle by the Convention (Falk v. The Netherlands (Dec.), concerning the imposition of a fine on a registered car owner who had not been the actual driver at the time of the traffic offence)."
So, is your point that the law does not apply to you because of claimed unproven superior driving skills?
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2550997]No matter how good a driver you are, when on a public road, you cannot ensure that others on the road are also paying attention. Same for random animals, pot holes, etc. Defensive driving 101.[/QUOTE]Public roads are not for racing. Motorcyclist creed, always assume that the other drivers are either blind or they are trying to kill you.
It is true there is considerable nihilism that has been exponentially increased by social media that amplifies and validates - or even celebrates - ignorance. Some yearn for religion, a 1950's white America with a quarter acre block, guns with all sorts of delusions; other crap on about trans-gender soy beans and pet lefty causes with big "In our America" virtue signalling wankery. All use cliches and ask rhetorical questions. All hate hard science and critical thinking and allowing evidence to lead.
But. There are huge areas where things really are rigged, like LIBOR, REPOS, bank bailouts and pay-for-access to change government policy, rich kids somehow always get into the Ivy league and so on. Structural inequality is real. Being black in America is no joke, malnutrition and hunger exists, and crap access to medical care. The tax system is definitely rigged. W2 earners simply have no concept how it works and neither party will breath a word about tax free capital. Blaming the victims is a straw man argument. People can do hard work, but if they have fetal alcohol, poor nutrition, crap role models and crap education, they start way at the back. The winners at Goldman Sachs are at the apex of a very corrupt rigged capital markets and tax system. I'm pretty high in in the APEX, but it is an accident of birth and yes, some hard work. But mostly access to opportunity and expectations. "Playing the game" or money is not a good measure of worth. Neither is virtue signalling and herbal tea leaf / patriarchal bullshit, just as confused at the other side grab bag of nationalism, gun rights, religion, racism. Whilst they fuck around, the real game, the property party, really does party whilst the population in fights.
These are highly corrosive to institutional trust, and this in turn fans the flames of almost universal distrust of the "government", meaning puppets of the elites. We had the Capitol invasion. The first of many meltdowns as the USD collapses as a reserve currency, inflation and global warming because we have too many people. It will get ugly. COVID is a major inflection point in history that just put things about 20 years fast forward.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2551042]I understand your apprehension. Fair enough. Old tech vaccines will be very useful in ending this foolishness.
But once you shed the pop culture influences, the mRNA vaccines are superior in every way except for the logistics of delivery (cold storage, 2-dose schedule).
They are deliberate and specific (encodes for specific viral proteins, no more, no less). They are delivered in innate lipid particles as opposed to immunogenic vectors required with traditional vaccines. That means they infuse to cells and deliver the "package" without the need for viral / bacterial vectors that illicit non-specific immunogenic responses. They are easily altered for future adjustments as antigenicity shifts in the virus.
The comparisons of the two technologies is like comparing MP3's versus tape cassettes. Microsoft Word versus Typewriters.[/QUOTE]MRNA represents a promising future, cancer treatment etc. , but younger men who still want children should select a low tech vaxx and leave the cutting edge shit for old age. This is my uneducated opinion and I'm sticking with it, , , for now. .
[QUOTE=RockyV;2551163]Sure, I agree, who needs progress in health care? I would advocate going back to the times where dentistry was performed as a moonlighting job by skilled butchers. That was the real dentistry experience, not the sissy one we have today, full of anesthetics and low pain procedures.[/QUOTE]When I was a boy, I saw an old belt drill sitting (unused) in a dental office. You def have a point here.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2551179]Well you've been saying that mARN vaccines will alter our genetics and turn us into blood thirsty monsters because this new witchcraft has never been tested on humans. So you were implying that it was better to rely on a more proven technology.
Now you say that 'classic' vaccines will give potentially lethal blood clots to 8% of us (I'm still waiting for your source by the way).
What's left? Solarium?[/QUOTE]It's called diarrhea of the mouth. Dude is all over the place in his claims, hoping just one will stick yet never recognizing error. Speaking of which, are the French still Catholic?
Dude goes from high T Lymphocytes to low T cells, not understanding the difference between -cytopenia, -cythemia, and -cytosis, has no idea what a blod clot really is, confuses B_Lymphocytes with T_Lymphocytes, goes from mRNA to DNA, cites papers based on a single line while ignoring the main thesis, on and on and on.
The worst is that he speaks so confidently about it all. If given the chance, I would let him speak at our biweekly rounds. Let him present his case and have every single senior attending rip his ignorance apart. It's Goddamn absurd the shit he puts up.
I have pity though. The dude just needs a friend. Unfortunately, he is his own worst enemy. He never addresses his personal flaws. Is Socially off-putting, yet too prideful, too arrogant to admit that he has a problem.
Ever met a girl who is a 5 but thinks she's an 8? Yeah, it's like that.
[QUOTE=Clodius1;2551326]MRNA represents a promising future, cancer treatment etc. , but younger men who still want children should select a low tech vaxx and leave the cutting edge shit for old age. This is my uneducated opinion and I'm sticking with it, , , for now. .[/QUOTE]If basing on educated opinion, that would mean zero suspicion regarding sterility issues. There is no literature that supports that side effect. At the same time, the theory also shows next to zero path to that side-effect. We are dealing with inert particles that deliver very specific genetic elements. None of which shows any biochemical affinity to interact with human DNA, much less alter it.
That is what the educated points us towards. If something unforeseen occurs, well, our most educated clinicians cannot foresee it with the information we have at hand.
If you are privy'the to more enlightening information, then you would be quite an asset to the world.
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2551306]"Playing the game" or money is not a good measure of worth. Neither is virtue signalling and herbal tea leaf / patriarchal bullshit, just as confused at the other side grab bag of nationalism, gun rights, religion, racism. Whilst they fuck around, the real game, the property party, really does party whilst the population in fights.
These are highly corrosive to institutional trust, and this in turn fans the flames of almost universal distrust of the "government", meaning puppets of the elites. We had the Capitol invasion. The first of many meltdowns as the USD collapses as a reserve currency, inflation and global warming because we have too many people. It will get ugly. COVID is a major inflection point in history that just put things about 20 years fast forward.[/QUOTE]Yeah yeah yeah, all other unquoted points agreed but deleted for brevity. People are uneducated, emotional, irrational sheep, blah blah blah, no need to reiterate things that should already be well known.
Playing the game is the most important factor for the middle 80 percent of the world's people. It's pretty damn important for most of the human race; reality, facts. The focus on assets is fine, but that's actually the easiest part which can be built in a single generation; in the US, it's still relatively easy to go from $0 immigrant to 7 figure net worth in half a lifetime. Hell, you can do it in less than a decade.
The criticism regarding the decline of America is really not reflective of reality and history. America's success was never built on a educated and cultured populace. There was never anything intrinsically special about our society. In our history, we have always benefited from the position of abundance and playing the Ace card. The average in our society has always been pretty below average in my opinion. Our greatness comes on the shoulders of a few great people operating in a deregulated society. That's why, as great as European and East Asian societies can be, America still holds a higher ceiling.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2551210]So they had your license plate number and have a picture of it but not you driving?
If so, who was driving you car? Did you let someone borrow it? Or did someone steal it without you knowing?[/QUOTE]Have you read Christine by Stephen King? The car has an existence of its own.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2551226]LOL imagine if the whole world listened to Trump back in Jan-Feb 2020. [/QUOTE]We would all be dead from drinking too much bleach.
Or wondering why the virus didn't disappear for Easter or for summer as promised.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2551210]So they had your license plate number and have a picture of it but not you driving?
If so, who was driving you car? Did you let someone borrow it? Or did someone steal it without you knowing?
I've seen the back of you car. It was completely full of boxes of papers. It was already quite messy. Like, mentally unhealthy messy.
Curious, how many private escorts have you seen since the brothels closed?[/QUOTE]Why do You, like many others, need to look in my car? When Swiss polizei didn't look about my job papers, but I think they hoped to find drugs, but 0. Why do you also need to know how many escorts I meet? Do I ask for You? No. Why? Because I m just not interested by guys in brothels. But Kate was really right, when telling some told her for longer time about me, than time for sex. So many are nothing more than just followers, some obsessed but not understanding, when I lead and choose for my life, but I wait for my followers on my French brand and made except shimano, bicycle on Gran San Bernardino Swiss side or Loze above Meribel which is much more difficult if some want to try on 39/28 when tour climbed on 32 on rear, but I'm fully sure no follower will be able for this. Pity, they could have seen my best friend bicycle succeeding and my office in my new car. Useful and safe to have such office to work. When some Audi can now drive without driver, so maybe mine? When I was never caught, so I can only be innocent put in jail like a criminal and learning from them.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2551237]1. I agree with the first part regarding mutations etc.
2. I have already posted links twice to where the head of the investigation in the Wuhan lab himself discussed the large effort into cataloging and studying how to change the covid virus in order for it to transmit easier between human beings. And how that effort was being spearheaded at the Wuhan lab was reported on in a nature magazine article awhile back. This is no such thing as a conspiracy here when he plainly says it as clear as day in the interview he had with that Columbia uni virology professor.[/QUOTE]Yes, I remember your YouTube videos with a person in the dark revealing all the secrets about Covid-19. Who would not believe that?
[QUOTE=Pistons;2551237]3. In regards to changing the DNA, you are probably right. It probably depends on the length of the rna strand. But I never used this argument either for that reason. I just mentioned it was risky on the same merits as crispr cas-9 is risky. Then again cas-9 is not complicated enough, and that is probably the problem.
I do wonder if parts of this new rna technology will be useful in order to change DNA the same way crispr has tried it. With good help from AI of course.[/QUOTE]OK, back to basics: DNA is in the cell nucleus, mRNA vaccines do not enter the cell nucleus, but only the cytoplasm to be translated into proteins. Hence, mRNA vaccines cannot modify the DNA. Otherwise, it would be like saying you can get a BJ from a girl sitting in another room (you would have an alien cock!
[QUOTE=Pistons;2551237]4. I thought we had already agreed on the fact that we already had a dousing or more hpv viruses long before even entering an FKK. So worrying about catching maybe one more strain you randomly had missed previously should probably not be your biggest concern.[/QUOTE]There are more than 100 types of HPV (the V in HPV stands for virus! Of which at least 14 are cancer-causing. HPV is mainly transmitted through sexual contact and most people are infected with HPV shortly after the onset of sexual activity. Two HPV types (16 and 18) cause 70% of cervical cancers and pre-cancerous cervical lesions. There is also evidence linking HPV with cancers of the anus, vulva, vagina, penis and oropharynx. There are already three vaccines that protect against HPV 16 and 18, which should ideally be done before you start having sex.
Aw, our resident conspiracy theorist medical expert doesn't understand the dynamic relationship between thrombocytopenia and thrombosis. Random concerns about Leukocytosis randomly injected into conversation about coagulation. None of it makes sense because the speaker has zero foundational groundwork in the subject so he confounds poorly related terms in order to appear informed. Yet when google searches provide zero hits, apparently "No one knows".
I guess when our genius expert does not know, then "no one knows". Fucking, socially awkward, pompous prick.
Good thing our brainwashed medical community does.
1. Excessive micro thrombi formation from massive systemic microvascular lesions can cause thrombocytopenia.
2. Immune complexes can form between antigens and platelet granules which activate platelets to start the coagulation cascade but then leads to thrombocytopenia.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2551365]We would all be dead from drinking too much bleach.
Or wondering why the virus didn't disappear for Easter or for summer as promised.[/QUOTE]But we could segregate our apartment buildings again and fathers fucking their daughters might become socially acceptable. Maybe we could have a tiered immigration system so there's less colored immigrants from shithole countries.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2551381]Why do You, like many others, need to look in my car? When Swiss polizei didn't look about my job papers, but I think they hoped to find drugs, but 0. Why do you also need to know how many escorts I meet? Do I ask for You? No. Why? Because I m just not interested by guys in brothels. But Kate was really right, when telling some told her for longer time about me, than time for sex. So many are nothing more than just followers, some obsessed but not understanding.[/QUOTE]As we were walking by, another monger pointed it out to me. We made fun of how terribly messy it was, full of papers. Boxes were stacked in the backseat. We asked each other, "he says he sleeps in his car? Where is there space to sleep?
The backseat, being full of boxes of papers, looked like a divorced man who was kicked out of his home was living and working out of his car.
You say you don't care for brothels right now, don't need you say. But how many escorts this year?
But really, did someone steal your car? Or borrow, speed through Switzerland, return it to you, and you don't remember letting them borrow? If not you driving, how did the Swiss get your license plate number?
[QUOTE=RockyV;2551406]OK, back to basics: DNA is in the cell nucleus, mRNA vaccines do not enter the cell nucleus, but only the cytoplasm to be translated into proteins. Hence, mRNA vaccines cannot modify the DNA. Otherwise, it would be like saying you can get a BJ from a girl sitting in another room (you would have an alien cock!.[/QUOTE]More importantly, the protein transcribed from the mRNA cannot enter the nucleus, not that it has any affinity to DNA in order to alter it anyway.
But hey, we're all just brainwashed with our propaganda biochemistry and genetics.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2551406]Yes, I remember your YouTube videos with a person in the dark revealing all the secrets about Covid-19. Who would not believe that?
OK, back to basics: DNA is in the cell nucleus, mRNA vaccines do not enter the cell nucleus, but only the cytoplasm to be translated into proteins. Hence, mRNA vaccines cannot modify the DNA. Otherwise, it would be like saying you can get a BJ from a girl sitting in another room (you would have an alien cock!
There are more than 100 types of HPV (the V in HPV stands for virus! Of which at least 14 are cancer-causing. HPV is mainly transmitted through sexual contact and most people are infected with HPV shortly after the onset of sexual activity. Two HPV types (16 and 18) cause 70% of cervical cancers and pre-cancerous cervical lesions. There is also evidence linking HPV with cancers of the anus, vulva, vagina, penis and oropharynx. There are already three vaccines that protect against HPV 16 and 18, which should ideally be done before you start having sex.[/QUOTE]1. Nope, you didn't watch the YouTube interview by the Columbia University professor where he interviews the head the investigation into the Wuhan lab.
2. Reread my post. You fail to understand my point.
3. Have you vaccinated yourself against these hpv 16 and 18 variants? And 100? It is probably in the thousands. It mutates.
OK, so the nurse shows his true face in the response to BigBuddy. He likes some people, and not others. I am sure that is reassuring to know for his patients.
He has also been hard at work googling thrombosis and thrombocytopenia. Yet he cannot take me on anything because EMA stated quite clearly that the wannabe medical experts does not know exactly why this side effect happens.
The nurses here on ISG also refused the claim in the first place also. But now they try to save face after every sane nation prohibits the AZ and J&J vaccines.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2551339] it's still relatively easy to go from $0 immigrant to 7 figure net worth in half a lifetime. Hell, you can do it in less than a decade.[/QUOTE]Weird then how you in the past complained and complained about how hard it was for immigrants when natives or locals just had everything for free. What changed your stance?
You also don't seem to understand squat regarding what Phallus talks about regarding the link between the government and the property game.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2551339]That's why, as great as European and East Asian societies can be, America still holds a higher ceiling.[/QUOTE]Have a look at trade imbalances. Clearly you are no expert in economics. But we all knew that already.
You might want to google the petro-dollar also. Just for added brain upgrade.
The amateurs who claims the mRNA does not enter the nucleus of the cell clearly lacks fundamental knowledge regarding quantum biology. Or the fact that they have been taught that it never happens. Well, I don't buy that theory. Read it many times, but it comes from incompetence.
I am not saying that I myself am a guru in that field. Nobody is, but it is there. And we know that from a lot of studies. At least the educated of us know that there is a lot to quantum biology.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2551364]Have you read Christine by Stephen King? The car has an existence of its own.[/QUOTE]Damn haunted cars going out for international joy rides without the driver knowing.
BTW, how do they handle speeding tickets in France? Same with the flash and your license plate? In Germany, I've received many ticket notifications. Some included a black and white picture of me in the driver seat, others did not. I don't remember the tickets from Switzerland including my picture so I am guessing that it is required there.
For example:
[URL]https://www.surrey.ac.uk/news/new-study-reveals-quantum-physics-can-cause-mutations-our-dna[/URL]
But we all know that wannabe doctors don't know much about communication and the idea of updating themselves on new information.
This one goes more into detail. For people with no life and who loves to research for hours in order to make a point on a sex forum, it's worth a read.
[URL]https://www.livescience.com/amp/quantum-physics-dna-mutations.html[/URL]
P.S. humanity is probably just at the beginning in terms of understanding this field.
Quote from the article:
"We may have to wait until computing power or methodology improves further before this can be addressed," he said.
In other words, we have a scientist admitting that communication science and AI will one day save the world!
There is a glimmer of hope. I can see it! LOL.
This is another one you might want to read up on:
[URL]http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2017/ph240/saffari1/[/URL]
Again, too bad I cannot edit and add this to the same post.
I am just sharing from my knowledge tree here. The nurse should be happy to take part in my unselfish intelligence revolution here on ISG without me being rude and start fighting over easy pussy at an FKK. Just because he is unable to get any on the entire continent he is normally living on.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2551293]concerning the imposition of a fine on a registered car owner who had not been the actual driver at the time of the traffic offence).[/QUOTE]Looks like you answered my question. And as expected, the same in most nations. The owner of the vehicle should be held liable unless say, the car was reported stolen. Or in my case, a rental in Europe.
So the only other out for him is the that the notification must be written in the his language. No one can verify his claim but my experience with a Swiss traffic offense was that I first received a letter in German and then a follow up letter in English a few weeks later. For me, the Swiss authorities had to deal with an even more complicated situation as I rented a car that was registered in Germany but I was an English speaker from America. Yet somehow the Swiss still found a way to reach me with a letter written in my native language. It would be quite odd that they were able to write to me in English after having to route through a German rental company but failed to write to a French resident in French when the car was directly registered to the driver.
But regardless of the technicalities of language, somehow the car was in Switzerland, license plate flashed and recorded, yet the driver yells injustice. Even considering the technicality that could be used as a "get out of jail free card", the juvenile refusal to accept fault mirrors the tantrum of a teenager that denies guilt when caught red handed.
And again, the stupidity or the arrogance, whichever one, to enter a country knowing full well that authorities have your information is absurd. I mean, if someone robs a bank, why in the world would they ever go back anywhere near that bank with the same getaway vehicle?
As opposed to many in here, I can actually conversate with the Romanian girls because we have the same type of slightly rough blunt extrovert humor. While especially many of the American guys here are quite introvert and reclusive when it comes to girls. Probably stemming from growing up in a sofa society where everyone starts crying due to woke jokes.
Please run the inbuilt translator on chrome or something to read this article:
[URL]https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/lERn2A/derfor-ville-fhi-droppe-astrazeneca-vaksinen[/URL]
Like I have written here many times already!
But the brainwashed wannabees refuse to listen to science personell like me!
What will be your excuses now?
The popcorn is already popping!
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2551333]Ever met a girl who is a 5 but thinks she's an 8? Yeah, it's like that.[/QUOTE]It is really weired then how you feel challenged when I only ask a girls name because you didn't know it already. If someone is only a 5, there should be no worry.
But as pussylicker said the first time I met him at Samya: 'you are the kind of guy that girls fall in love with at places like this'.
Can you guys donate to this worthy cause? After 10 consecutive rage posts, one of our members is in need of a new keyboard. #BreakTheStigma #SelfCare.
This is what I mean about the death mafia. The corrupt doctor wannabe's:
[URL]https://youtu.be/2zoSSHx9QtA[/URL]
It is a report on Indian TV regarding Pfizer abusive deals in Latin America. And the rest of the world as well is implied.
It is not only about revolutionizing the capitalistic system. It is also about avoiding oil prices at 200 $/ barrel. And that is what it would have cost in 2022 if not for the covid pandemic:
[URL]https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/global_oil.php[/URL]
Do the math. Of course this link does not tell the whole story itself. But take it from a long time gambler in us shale oil companies, as well as European oil companies. And someone who has had several jobs in oil and related to oil. Each year since about the turn of the century the average increase in global oil consumption has grown by between 1.3 and 1.8 mb / the. Also, before US shale oil, old fields lost 7 mb / the in production every year. US shale oil fields are depleted even faster. Maybe 3 x as fast on average although advances in fracking in the Permian basin especially has evened that difference out a bit.
Add in the oil glut in 2015, caused by US shale oil, and the reduction in search for new fields, the 7 year average (not counting shale oil) new field development cycle would hit us hard. Very hard in 2022. At least if not for covid.
Us shale fields are also starting to run low. And fast. Basically only the permian basin seems to have a long life.
If not for covid, this explosion in oil price that would have hit us in 2022 would have caused an economic crisis fåare larger than that caused by 150 $/ be in 2008.
Long term, it is estimated that we can only produce sub 90 mb / the globally.
To sum it up: A requirement for the change to the new financial system will work, is the increase in automation. But increase in oil price will at the same time offset this automation potential. Thus crashing everything.
So you smartasses calling this a conspiracy theory, which other strategy than a global pandemic do you think would work?
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2551365]We would all be dead from drinking too much bleach.
Or wondering why the virus didn't disappear for Easter or for summer as promised.[/QUOTE]This is one of the many typical problems with libtards. They do not understand the difference between "just saying" and "actual call to action".
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2551441]As we were walking by, another monger pointed it out to me. We made fun of how terribly messy it was, full of papers. Boxes were stacked in the backseat. We asked each other, "he says he sleeps in his car? Where is there space to sleep?
The backseat, being full of boxes of papers, looked like a divorced man who was kicked out of his home was living and working out of his car.
You say you don't care for brothels right now, don't need you say. But how many escorts this year?
But really, did someone steal your car? Or borrow, speed through Switzerland, return it to you, and you don't remember letting them borrow? If not you driving, how did the Swiss get your license plate number?[/QUOTE]I doubt Swiss polizei wanted to make my job for me, because they would not be able to, but for sure they tried to find all they could, bad luck I didn't have a Kalashnikov, nor drug of course, when Switzerland really don t need me for drugs which are so cheap in Zurich, free for WGs in brothels. When your car is flashed in Switzerland, Germany or NL, they are connected with French administration and they get your name as the owner and address, not meaning you were the driver. No photo in Switzerland, but in Germany, but not a proof this is you, when Ramona Sharks / Sabina Oase really looked like Scarlet Johanson or you can have a twin. According to international laws, You don t have to give somebody else than you, when so many did on second WW. No big problem for me to be a criminal in Switzerland, we can play criminal and polizei, I m sure Swiss are never more safe than with me when 0 crash when I used to cross nearly weekly and I had all my time to work or write here while driving 120, when I also do in Germany at nearly double speed and also 0 crash, just figures, same like for WGs, probably why I'm a first choice, not a ticket guy. You don t seem to know much about justice process, even I think pretty same in US, when problem in justice process, then no charge, so as long they write me in German and same for Germany, then I'm innocent, so I don t have to pay, according to international laws. Even I don't understand why some need to take photos of me in clubs, or of my car, when You came to me at LR kind of proud to tell me your so pathetic story with craziest Sharks girl, when I was told about your French bald friend here, story at LR with the girl I advised you, because your claimed experience made me think you were on same level with girls, unfortunately so difficult for me to find attractive looks in brothels or among more than 400 escorts touring in Paris, when my eyes smile when I see some women in streets. When no ski for 2 Winters, for first time since I was 3, I wish for a bit of Summer ski, on Klein Matterhorn through forbidden lines and crevaces, but no Swiss polizei control between 2 crevaces, they are stronger on border when you are stopped, and maybe 2 Alps to cross Girose glacier to see la Grave and open my lungs, pushing for 2 hours at 3500 meters high, a bit more intense than gym, good for my climbing tour with my best friend bicycle, I wish we will make a great Summer together, even I will miss my obsessed followers here, but I will look if I see 2 carbon light bicycles climbing alone, like some cars are now able to drive alone, maybe my car also while I'm performing with a beauty in brothel. Mine need my strength to climb the steepest legends, most of professional racers don't like, when they are paid for, when I enjoy for my holidays and for free, just to feel: I'm able and still improving, like good old French wine. More than 30 000 meters to climb, just for pleasure, I m pretty sure more efficient than vaccine and Viagra, and girls may keep on telling: You fuck more than guys who are 20 , even I don t like when they say: you are a pornstar. I prefer when they say: I like that.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2551477]Damn haunted cars going out for international joy rides without the driver knowing.
BTW, how do they handle speeding tickets in France? Same with the flash and your license plate? In Germany, I've received many ticket notifications. Some included a black and white picture of me in the driver seat, others did not. I don't remember the tickets from Switzerland including my picture so I am guessing that it is required there.[/QUOTE]They send you a notification by postal mail and there is no picture inside. Inside there is a form to fill if you want to refuse the fine but since I am an adult, I always took my responsibilities and always paid the fine. Every time it was for less than 10 km / h over speeding.
Unfortunately there are some crooked lawyers who specialize in searching for the little hidden bit who could allow you to oppose and not to pay the fine. So irresponsible guys with a massive delusional ego and with enough money to pay the lawyer can try to escape the law. I wonder what will these lawyers do if one day, the family of some people killed by the stupid driver came to see the lawyer to show him the picture of the kids who will never see their parents again.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2551593]Can you guys donate to this worthy cause? After 10 consecutive rage posts, one of our members is in need of a new keyboard. #BreakTheStigma #SelfCare.[/QUOTE]I do need a new keyboard. But not because of hitting it hard. It is because it is getting sticky from all that cum I release after winning flame wars. Each win is like a deciliter.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2551625]This is one of the many typical problems with libtards. They do not understand the difference between "just saying" and "actual call to action".[/QUOTE]Are you referring to the bunch of lobotomized rednecks who assaulted the Capitol because the weirdo in chief told them that the election was stolen and they are so stupid that they follow him blindly?
Almost needless to say. But I got again pessimistic.
* the british / Kent variant of the virus, makes the current 3rd wave in Germany the biggest by far.
* rapid tests are fairly unreliable.
* vaccination rate (while having picked up in the past 1 week) is still shitty.
I would be happy if things can open Aug 1st. Yet, Sep 1st is more likely. And everything is still extremely uncertain.
[QUOTE=Kuni042;2537949]Revising my thinking slighty and getting optimistic. I think GT with its many cabins *outside* is in great shape to open in Summer.
- Especially with rapid / quick COVID tests coming up.
- We will have to assume that showering is most likely NOT an option. So please all, come already clean. Washing after the toilet of course is doable.
- And there will be heavy mask restrictions, outside, indoors, and esp. In the room.
- Significant room ventilation / desinfection after usage.
- Eating can be implemented nicely outdoors too.
- no hovering around indoors. Unless you have FFP2 masks on. Zip on your glass outside.
All quite doable.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2551593]Can you guys donate to this worthy cause? After 10 consecutive rage posts, one of our members is in need of a new keyboard. #BreakTheStigma #SelfCare.[/QUOTE]Get a job so you can buy your own keyboard and won't have to beg for it on here.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2551580]It is really weired then how you feel challenged when I only ask a girls name because you didn't know it already. If someone is only a 5, there should be no worry.
But as pussylicker said the first time I met him at Samya: 'you are the kind of guy that girls fall in love with at places like this'.[/QUOTE]In the manosphere we call them 49'ers. [URL]https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=49er[/URL].
Delusional 4's who think they are Instagram 9's.
[QUOTE=Kuni042;2551818]Almost needless to say. But I got again pessimistic.
* the british / Kent variant of the virus, makes the current 3rd wave in Germany the biggest by far.
* rapid tests are fairly unreliable.
* vaccination rate (while having picked up in the past 1 week) is still shitty.
I would be happy if things can open Aug 1st. Yet, Sep 1st is more likely. And everything is still extremely uncertain.[/QUOTE]Das problem is the lower efficacy of the J&J and AZ vaxx's. They are good enough if you're camped out in Amerika oder UK, but risky in DE if Das Germans don't have herd immunity yet.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2551810]Are you referring to the bunch of lobotomized rednecks who assaulted the Capitol because the weirdo in chief told them that the election was stolen and they are so stupid that they follow him blindly?[/QUOTE]No those are the wingnuts like himself. The libtards are the people that tell him things he doesn't like to hear. It doesn't run any deeper than that. Wink.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2551810]Are you referring to the bunch of lobotomized rednecks who assaulted the Capitol because the weirdo in chief told them that the election was stolen and they are so stupid that they follow him blindly?[/QUOTE]Exhibit 2 of the typical problem with libtards. When they don't have any good argument and they realize that, they try to change the topic without conceding on the original topic. Literally zero backbone. My original statement was.
"Imagine if the whole world listened to Trump back in Jan-Feb 2020 when he suggested the same action (stopping flights from China). Remember what the expert libtards like Pelosi, Schumer and the loonies on CNN were blaming Trump for? Even Macron and Merkel were crying Trump is racist haha. Some people are really slow, and people who vote for them are even slower and complete stupid!" That was on the news that "France suspends all Brazil flights over Covid-19 variant fears ([URL]https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210413-france-suspends-all-brazil-flights-over-covid-19-variant-fears[/URL]). Is this a racist action?
Care to stay on topic? Anything else you say just shows how brainwashed you are. Remember, it's totally ok to admit mistakes and say "I was wrong, I am learning".
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2551833]Get a job so you can buy your own keyboard and won't have to beg for it on here.[/QUOTE]Wow, I have two dedicated superfans! I miss you too sticky buns!
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2551629]I doubt Swiss polizei wanted to make my job for me, because they would not be able to, but for sure they tried to find all they could, bad luck I didn't have a Kalashnikov, nor drug of course, when Switzerland really don t need me for drugs w[/QUOTE]I don't care whether or not the Swiss have a solid legal case even though they do.
But I am much more concerned with the stupidity of you entered a sovereign country in which you were aware that authorities were looking for you. In the same car. Seems dumbz.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2551810]Are you referring to the bunch of lobotomized rednecks who assaulted the Capitol because the weirdo in chief told them that the election was stolen and they are so stupid that they follow him blindly?[/QUOTE]Left himself wide open.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2551629]...and they get your name as the owner and address, not meaning you were the driver. No photo in Switzerland, but in Germany, but not a proof this is you, when Ramona Sharks / Sabina Oase really looked like Scarlet Johanson or you can have a twin. [/QUOTE]This is new, so now according to you even photo is not enough. So speeding fines are valid only if they stop you on the spot. How do you know their radar is correct? What if somebody takes your car, takes your ID and has cosmetic surgery to look like you? The police should prove this is not the case as well, right?
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2551629]...and I had all my time to work or write here while driving 120, when I also do in Germany at nearly double speed [/QUOTE]If true, clearly irresponsible behaviour.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2551629]..same like for WGs, probably why I'm a first choice, not a ticket guy.[/QUOTE]Of course, all WGs wait for you and refuse other clients. I wonder how they don't die of hunger waiting for you or are you in all clubs all the time. Just as believable as you claiming that you are fitter than Peter Sagan.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2551629] You don t seem to know much about justice process, even I think pretty same in US, when problem in justice process, then no charge, so as long they write me in German and same for Germany, then I'm innocent, so I don t have to pay, according to international laws.[/QUOTE]You were given multiple links to laws and court decisions even decisions at European Court of Human Rights. On the other hand you watched some reruns of Boston Legal dubbed in French and think that you know what is going on.
Keep telling yourself how amazing you are. I can agree with you that you are "unique" and "special".
[QUOTE=Pistons;2551622]To sum it up: A requirement for the change to the new financial system will work, is the increase in automation. But increase in oil price will at the same time offset this automation potential. Thus crashing everything.
So you smartasses calling this a conspiracy theory, which other strategy than a global pandemic do you think would work?[/QUOTE]But the real question is, the people who control all of this, do they have sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads? [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3GKVWcBLNU[/URL].
For anyone who actually gives a shit and wants to be bored to death with the actual specifics of the impact of Leukocytosis, immune response and inflammation or specifics of disseminated vascular coagulation and thrombotic thrombocytopenia pathophysiology without the interruptions of fabricated misinformation, feel free to DM for explanation and references. If you're that nerdy, we'd probably be friends.
[B]The really concerning points are discussed in this article with analyses from various media-communications experts:[/B]
[QUOTE]"CNN. ABC News. The New York Times. Fox News.
Those are the publishers of four of the five most popular Facebook posts of articles about the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine this week. They're ranked 2 to 5 in total interactions, according to data from the tracking tool CrowdTangle.
[b]The No. 1 posting, however, isn't from a news organization. Or a government official. Or a public health expert.
The most popular link on Facebook about the Johnson & Johnson news was shared by a conspiracy theorist and self-described "news analyst & hip-hop artist" named An0 maly who thinks the pandemic is a cover for government control. "[/b]
Millions of Americans were already skeptical of the vaccines before the Johnson & Johnson news, and a vast online network exists to feed that skepticism with bad information and conspiracy theories.
Often, misinformation peddlers with a specific agenda will fill in knowledge gaps with false information, knowing people are desperate for any information at all.
Even after that guidance does come out, which officials said they hope will be in a matter of days, it's likely this development has ripple effects, especially driven by those who have made fear a business model and built their brands on vaccine skepticism.
Full NPR article:
[URL]https://www.npr.org/2021/04/15/987182241/the-most-popular-j-j-vaccine-story-on-facebook-a-conspiracy-theorist-posted-it[/URL].[/QUOTE]I think we ISG readers have been subjugated to this phenomenon on this very thread as well as our various social media and "news" accounts.
The FDA and CDC are dropping the ball big time and letting the agents of misinformation dictate the conversation. They should probably be making press releases 5 times a day right now, giving a play by play of everything they're doing to clarify the investigation process and explaining relative risk data. Instead, they've allowed the poorly informed to perpetuate their half truths to an impressionable public.
The tweet here by statistician Nate Silver sums up their logical failure.
[QUOTE]By @NateSilver583 April 13
6 cases out of 7 million people. What a disaster. This is going to get people killed. And it's going to create more vaccine hesitancy. These people don't understand cost-benefit analysis. They keep making mistakes by orders of magnitude.
[URL]https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1381925025964515330[/URL].[/QUOTE]This is definitely another fail for public health administrations. Letting physicians lead the pandemic response was the biggest mistake of 2020. Providers are trained scientifically, empirically, and methodical. But this pandemic should have been led by public health officials because they are better apt to handle the problem from a population level approach. Clear, effective communication of strategy and succinctly informing the public at the societal level have consistently been constant failures. Strike 1.
Now in 2021, the handling of what any insightful person could easily predict to create "a perfect storm of misinformation" has been incredibly mismanaged. We need public health people to direct the response to a public health problem and we need them to do it much more effectively. Strike 2.
Three strikes and you're out, Game Over for the good guys.
[QUOTE=Kuni042;2551818]Almost needless to say. But I got again pessimistic.
* the british / Kent variant of the virus, makes the current 3rd wave in Germany the biggest by far.
[/QUOTE]I am also shifting to your same sentiment that brothels in the summer is becoming less and less likely, but to put your pessimism in perspective, ask yourself what you mean by biggest wave. Cases? Or deaths? How sick are the people in the current wave?
Currently in Germany:
Deaths are 23% of maximum in January.
[URL] https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-08-19..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Align+outbreaks=false&country=~DEU[/URL]
Hard to find exact hospitalization figures for Germany but:
Hospital bed use is only 20% of available all beds (just 41% of January total bed census).
ICU bed use is 42% of total available (just 67% of January ICU census).
[URL]https://covid19.healthdata.org/germany?view=resource-use&tab=trend&resource=all_resources[/URL]
More infections with less severity means one of two things, maybe both, more testing and vaccines protecting the vulnerable from getting very sick.
Too many variables outside of the actual disease itself to predict. Politics, battling ourselves with players of misinformation, incompetence of public health leaders, public hesitancy, etc.
But the situation is still much better than they have been at the height of the European January wave.
[QUOTE=Kuni042;2551818]Almost needless to say. But I got again pessimistic.
* the british / Kent variant of the virus, makes the current 3rd wave in Germany the biggest by far.
* rapid tests are fairly unreliable.
* vaccination rate (while having picked up in the past 1 week) is still shitty.
I would be happy if things can open Aug 1st. Yet, Sep 1st is more likely. And everything is still extremely uncertain.[/QUOTE]Even Germany is now buying sputnik Vladimir which is not allowed in EU, even Germany closed some inside EU borders to try to protect at best, even Saarland start to reopen a bit, but do You think politics would think to reopen risky playfield brothels for point to be elected for after Angela, after so many deaths in Germany since second wave, when they managed better under first wave. GT didn't reopen on September, nor Vertigo and LR asked for test. Some girls moved from LR, probably because of bad business. After elections, cold will arrive and virus will be stronger and people less strong under cold, so I would be a bit surprised Germany open on this year, when South African and Brazilian are already in EU, when AZ and Johnson should not have great success due to risks. Pfizer now telling for third dose and yearly, they found a good business: yearly dose for the world, to adapt to mutants. Our world may be a bit different now. I let You imagine people coming from all over the world to Germany, can become gross katastroph, when even complicated inside Western EU, when UK sent us death.
[QUOTE=Clodius1;2551858]Das problem is the lower efficacy of the J&J and AZ vaxx's. They are good enough if you're camped out in Amerika oder UK, but risky in DE if Das Germans don't have herd immunity yet.[/QUOTE]Both of these vaccines are very good, far better than most used for other diseases although Pfizer and Moderna are even better. What's needed is to get people vaccinated with whatever is available. It could be a russian or chinese vaccine but no proof that they work has been submitted and two days ago a Chinese official stated that the Sinovac was barely over the minimum 50% efficacy.
China threaten to blacklist companies and people who don't get vaccine, when their vaccine is ranked not really efficient by EU. So, I won t go to land of freedom and human rights, China, when I love so much my freedom to decide and don t need to buy their low level quality production. I think would not be, but wish for no passport in EU, but just to give protection to those who need and want, when many are at risk or scared of killer virus. I won t criticize Bavarian to buy sputnik, even not allowed in EU, but if can protect his citizens, even maybe more to show how he makes safety, to become after Angela, but if he succeed to save lives, after he closed some borders, then can't blame him.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2551625]This is one of the many typical problems with libtards. They do not understand the difference between "just saying" and "actual call to action".[/QUOTE]Because when you are President of United States your words have consequences: CDC: Some People Did Take Bleach to Protect From Coronavirus [URL]https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-06-05/cdc-some-people-did-take-bleach-to-protect-from-coronavirus[/URL].
There is no such a thing as 'just saying' when you have millions of followers ready to do anything for you!
[QUOTE=Kuni042;2551818]Almost needless to say. But I got again pessimistic.
* the british / Kent variant of the virus, makes the current 3rd wave in Germany the biggest by far.[/QUOTE]A slightly more optimistic way of looking at it is that Germany is where UK was at 3 months ago, and now things have improved in UK. So the hope is that Germany will be mostly reopen by July 15. Based on April 11 data. Compared to Germany, UK has conducted more tests, but less infections found.
UK performing 6 times more tests: [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-08-19..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Tests&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~DEU[/URL].
But positivity rate 60 times higher in Germany: [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-08-19..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Share+of+positive+tests&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~DEU[/URL].
[QUOTE=Gino02;2551888]Exhibit 2 of the typical problem with libtards. When they don't have any good argument and they realize that, they try to change the topic without conceding on the original topic. Literally zero backbone. My original statement was.
"Imagine if the whole world listened to Trump back in Jan-Feb 2020 when he suggested the same action (stopping flights from China). Remember what the expert libtards like Pelosi, Schumer and the loonies on CNN were blaming Trump for? Even Macron and Merkel were crying Trump is racist haha. Some people are really slow, and people who vote for them are even slower and complete stupid!" That was on the news that "France suspends all Brazil flights over Covid-19 variant fears ([URL]https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210413-france-suspends-all-brazil-flights-over-covid-19-variant-fears[/URL]). Is this a racist action?
Care to stay on topic? Anything else you say just shows how brainwashed you are. Remember, it's totally ok to admit mistakes and say "I was wrong, I am learning".[/QUOTE]Exhibit A.
Speaking with perspectives reflective of simple American political dichotomies does not accurately portray socio-geopolitical realities and only serves to perpetuate animosity and hinders progress through collaboration.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2550991]France suspends all Brazil flights over Covid-19 variant fears.
Is this a racist action?[/QUOTE]Brazil variant is already confirmed in 36 countries. And this is during a time when CV19 testing is more readily available! Borders are porous. There are probably thousands of undocumented cases across these 36 countries. In 3-4 weeks, it is very likely that the Brazil variant will be the dominant strain in at least a few of the 36 countries. Even though France has blocked flights from Brazil, cases of the Brazil variant will still sneak into France via indirect hop. France will not be able to stop it, only buy some time.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2551226]LOL imagine if the whole world listened to Trump back in Jan-Feb 2020 when he suggested the same action (stopping flights from China)[/QUOTE]CV19 has a long incubation period and a large portion of people are asymptomatic. Pre-CV19 probably 15 percent of all travellers were Chinese. All it would have taken is for one of those Chinese travellers to come into contact with an Indian student studying in UK at an airport in Dubai in January 2020. Since the mainstream media had yet to begin their fear-monger campaign, and nobody even knew to change their behavior (fist bumping, social distancing), CV19 would have easily spread to the master white race back in the USA and Dale with three chins would have eventually gotten infected. Point is even if they blocked flights from China Jan-Feb 2020, NYC would have still gotten hit hard. It just would have happened in May 2020 as opposed to April 2020.
Brazil variant seems to be more aggressive with younger people, 52 percent of ICU patients are under 40 years old: [URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-brazil/majority-of-brazil-covid-19-icu-patients-aged-40-years-or-younger-report-idUSKBN2C02UB[/URL].
That is roughly proportionate to the overall population. About 60 percent of of Brazil is under 40 years old: [URL]https://www.populationpyramid.net/brazil/2019/[/URL].
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2552005]A slightly more optimistic way of looking at it is that Germany is where UK was at 3 months ago, and now things have improved in UK. So the hope is that Germany will be mostly reopen by July 15. Based on April 11 data. Compared to Germany, UK has conducted more tests, but less infections found.
UK performing 6 times more tests: [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-08-19..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Tests&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~DEU[/URL].
But positivity rate 60 times higher in Germany: [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-08-19..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Share+of+positive+tests&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~DEU[/URL].[/QUOTE]Death and hospitalization data paints a much more realistic picture of the current reality. Nearing similar case numbers as January but only a quarter of the deaths and hospitalizations.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2551966]China threaten to blacklist companies and people who don't get vaccine, when their vaccine is ranked not really efficient by EU. So, I won t go to land of freedom and human rights, China, when I love so much my freedom to decide and don t need to buy their low level quality production. I think would not be, but wish for no passport in EU, but just to give protection to those who need and want, when many are at risk or scared of killer virus. I won t criticize Bavarian to buy sputnik, even not allowed in EU, but if can protect his citizens, even maybe more to show how he makes safety, to become after Angela, but if he succeed to save lives, after he closed some borders, then can't blame him.[/QUOTE]May be you are aware that I am working in China for many years, I just advice you to take out from your Audi all the pieces made in China, you reaction is the typical one from the people who are no more competitive. How many times have you travel to China, where are you getting you info from, maybe you should go there, pass the driving license and make your own opinion. The living standard in China is booming for 99% of the population, they are living in a country of full freedom contrary what so many are saying, I still believe that the freedom in China in higher that the one in France during De Gaulle. Women can go out at any time, no risk to be raped, the elderly are very protected never aggressed by migrants.
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2551883]No those are the wingnuts like himself. The libtards are the people that tell him things he doesn't like to hear. It doesn't run any deeper than that. Wink.[/QUOTE]You're a left-wing extremists blinded by arrogance.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2551906]But the real question is, the people who control all of this, do they have sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads? [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3GKVWcBLNU[/URL].[/QUOTE]Dude!
I'm a Viking. We've never had laser sharks here. Only Lazer Raptors. As seen here from 0:17.
[URL]https://youtu.be/dglXyZY5o3g[/URL]
[QUOTE=Kuni042;2551818]Almost needless to say. But I got again pessimistic.
* the british / Kent variant of the virus, makes the current 3rd wave in Germany the biggest by far.
* rapid tests are fairly unreliable.
* vaccination rate (while having picked up in the past 1 week) is still shitty.
I would be happy if things can open Aug 1st. Yet, Sep 1st is more likely. And everything is still extremely uncertain.[/QUOTE]Oh yeah, I predicted all of this already in autumn last year, but nobody cared to listen.
Want another bold prediction? By autumn this year, the virus will have mutated even more, rendering all the current "vaccines" mostly useless. Net result? More lockdowns, new "vaccines" and more digital vaccine passports to keep track of who has been "vaccinated" with which particular "updated vaccine. " Lather, rinse, repeat.
I even read about some eagerly vaccinated morons here who were downloading some IATA vaccination apps, ready to go fucking in Germany, being clueless about medicine, "vaccines", and the rest of the world! Hahahaha, as if anyone in Germany cares about some silly sex tourist with an IATA app on their phone!
All the suckers who already got vaxxed with some experimental chemical juice: sorry, but you will have to pass "GO" in 2021 and collect no sex points! Better luck with the next "vaccine," and the next "vaccine," and then maybe the next "vaccine. " With a bit of luck and if you survive all the "vaccines," you might be able to fly to Germany in 2030 again, but by then the middle class (which keeps the P6 scene alive in Germany) will have been completely destroyed with The Marxist Great Reset, lockdowns, face rags, fascist regulations, and tracking apps. LOL!
P.S. Don't shoot the messenger just because I deliver you reality instead of Nursanary's / PaulInZurich's / BigBuddy69's social-medical-engineering pipe dreams.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2532959]I agree with your estimates regarding reopening dates. Hoping for May, betting on August.[/QUOTE]Just like your 'medical' "vaccine" promises, this is not ageing very well, is it? LOL! HAHAHAHA!
People: stop trusting CCP troll Nursenary-PaulInZurich-BigBuddy69-Rocky-V who obviously has a Marxist agenda to keep the world in lockdown forever with mutations and new "vaccines", and thus destroying the middle class and P6!
[QUOTE=Gino02;2550991]France suspends all Brazil flights over Covid-19 variant fears.
[URL]https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210413-france-suspends-all-brazil-flights-over-covid-19-variant-fears[/URL]
Is this a racist action?[/QUOTE]Yes, too little too late.
As I pointed out some time ago, there are daily flights between the EU and South Africa and the AstraZeneca "vaccine" is useless against the South African strain.
That means that every day the EU is 'importing' the South African mutation, but people are so brainwashed by the media that they can't even think logically anymore.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2551947]when UK sent us death.[/QUOTE]Spoken like a true Frenchman.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2551988]Because when you are President of United States your words have consequences: CDC: Some People Did Take Bleach to Protect From Coronavirus [URL]https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-06-05/cdc-some-people-did-take-bleach-to-protect-from-coronavirus[/URL].
There is no such a thing as 'just saying' when you have millions of followers ready to do anything for you![/QUOTE]I'm sorry I don't even know how seriously to take this current CDC management under Biden:
CDC Zombie Preparedness ([URL]https://www.cdc.gov/cpr/zombie/index.htm[/URL]).
Do you?
Now compare that with what Trump was "just saying" LOL.
Why do you think kids were doing Tide Challenge? Are they also all Trump supporters?
[QUOTE=RockyV;2551988]Because when you are President of United States your words have consequences: CDC: Some People Did Take Bleach to Protect From Coronavirus [URL]https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-06-05/cdc-some-people-did-take-bleach-to-protect-from-coronavirus[/URL].
There is no such a thing as 'just saying' when you have millions of followers ready to do anything for you![/QUOTE]Adding to my last response, anyone who doesn't understand what's "just saying" words, are simply dumb, that includes the few bleach drinking Trump supporters and the vast majority of libtards who use those words in their stupid arguments.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2551966]China threaten to blacklist companies and people who don't get vaccine, when their vaccine is ranked not really efficient by EU. So, I won t go to land of freedom and human rights, China, when I love so much my freedom to decide and don t need to buy their low level quality production. I think would not be, but wish for no passport in EU, but just to give protection to those who need and want, when many are at risk or scared of killer virus. I won t criticize Bavarian to buy sputnik, even not allowed in EU, but if can protect his citizens, even maybe more to show how he makes safety, to become after Angela, but if he succeed to save lives, after he closed some borders, then can't blame him.[/QUOTE]Spain should make passport, to try to support tourism they need so much, when they can't afford anymore lockdown, having too weak economy. But only negative test will also work to visit.
Bottomline: I agree UK is 3 month ahead with fighting the virus compared to EU / Germany. And so Germany will re-open brothels 3 months after UK does. Ok? But how is this more optimistic??
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2552005]A slightly optimistic way of looking at it is that Germany is where UK was at 3 months ago, and now things have improved in UK. So the hope is that Germany will be mostly reopen by July 15. Based on April 11 data. Compared to Germany, UK has conducted tests, but less infections found.
UK performing 6 times tests: [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-08-19..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Tests&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~DEU[/URL].
But positivity rate 60 times higher in Germany: [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-08-19..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Share+of+positive+tests&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~DEU[/URL].[/QUOTE]
I think the magnitude of the crises is measured by number of ICU beds devoted covid-cases. Projections are already saying that even with further lock-down measures (curfews and what not), the number of covid-ICU-beds will be far higher than in the 2nd wave.
The reason why ICU-beds is the strongest indicator is that it means that triage will sharpen: ie. Triage of covid-vs non-covid patients that is. Because ICU-beds MUST also be devoted to all other patients. Once this hard triage happens, the death-toll will sharply increase.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2551941]I am also shifting to your same sentiment that brothels in the summer is becoming less and less likely, but to put your pessimism in perspective, ask yourself what you mean by biggest wave. Cases? Or deaths? How sick are the people in the current wave?
Currently in Germany:
Deaths are 23% of maximum in January.
[URL] https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-08-19..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Align+outbreaks=false&country=~DEU[/URL]
Hard to find exact hospitalization figures for Germany but:
Hospital bed use is only 20% of available all beds (just 41% of January total bed census).
ICU bed use is 42% of total available (just 67% of January ICU census).
[URL]https://covid19.healthdata.org/germany?view=resource-use&tab=trend&resource=all_resources[/URL]
infections with less severity means one of two things, maybe both, testing and vaccines protecting the vulnerable from getting sick.
Too many variables outside of the actual disease itself to predict. Politics, battling ourselves with players of misinformation, incompetence of public health leaders, public hesitancy, etc.
But the situation is still better than they have been at the height of the European January wave.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2551894]I don't care whether or not the Swiss have a solid legal case even though they do.
But I am much more concerned with the stupidity of you entered a sovereign country in which you were aware that authorities were looking for you. In the same car. Seems dumbz.[/QUOTE]You should learn to read better, when I wrote so many times about new car, even not so good than unbreakable previous with nearly 600 000 kms between my hands and under my very heavy right foot, left being to kick in brakes, but again my office and more safe when I have to work more often on the field under covid. Because job is much more complicated under covid delaying works because of safety conditions, why I didn't try to go to Verbier, nor Cleo nor Zeus, but also because no foods and I don't have much desire if I don't eat, because I couldn't take risk, but I wish on June I would achieve what I promised to my clients who are waiting, and then, when I m pretty sure they will never catch me overspeeding, when they never did, because Swiss polizei is not German polizei, but new car won't change anything if they control me, even without any infraction at the moment, but only from my driving license, they should find unpaid fines. I will again refuse to pay, they can put me in jail again, but with no mask, no test, no vaccine, not eating, let s just play for how long they want to take risk. When I can manage about job, I m sure they will have again to send me doctor when they will worry for risk about my behavior, like they did after 5 days without eating nor going out of room. When I m not waited for job, then I will never pay them, when I paid when I was caught in Germany at 205 for 100 on autobahn, but 200 € and 1 month forbidden to drive in Germany, when it would have been very numerous thousands CHF in Switzerland. Just matter of how you treat me: respectful and even quite fun in Germany, when they created a criminal in Switzerland, but Swiss people are very safe with me, even on roads, even overspeeding.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2551941]I am also shifting to your same sentiment that brothels in the summer is becoming less and less likely, but to put your pessimism in perspective, ask yourself what you mean by biggest wave. Cases? Or deaths? How sick are the people in the current wave?
Currently in Germany:
Deaths are 23% of maximum in January.
[URL] https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-08-19..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Align+outbreaks=false&country=~DEU[/URL]
Hard to find exact hospitalization figures for Germany but:
Hospital bed use is only 20% of available all beds (just 41% of January total bed census).
ICU bed use is 42% of total available (just 67% of January ICU census).
[URL]https://covid19.healthdata.org/germany?view=resource-use&tab=trend&resource=all_resources[/URL]
[/QUOTE]Quite sure, you can forget German brothels on Summer, before elections for after Angela, and pretty sure until end of year when cold will come after elections making virus stronger. I think more for next May / June 2022 if much less deaths than on 2021 , but Switzerland start now to reopen like very beautiful club Freubad with garden and 2 swimming pools, the most beautiful club in Switzerland, and I think Austria should reopen on beginning of July, like on last year. Also Spain with sea, sun and good foods, just have to adapt to our new world, most important for me being to go in my beloved mountains, wish for Summer ski to prepare my lungs and heart for my climbing tour. Starting on June.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2551339]The focus on assets is fine, but that's actually the easiest part which can be built in a single generation; in the US, it's still relatively easy to go from $0 immigrant to 7 figure net worth in half a lifetime. Hell, you can do it in less than a decade..[/QUOTE]LOL. And yet, the race warrior decades after being in this country, is still stuck at the age of 40 - sleeping in cars to save the 50 bucks for the next Sharks session, LOL.
If it was so easy making millions, you would have made them; as opposed to posting 20 messages on ISG daily. Are you one of those who measures self-worth not by the amount you have in the bank but how many messages you posted in the last 12 hours? You should figure out if you can get paid for all this wisdom you dispense on ISG. Might help paying for the next room.
Perhaps this is your calling in life. Desperately trying to appear smart on anonymous forums printing meaningless gibberish while revenge fucking white working girls for all the injuries done to your ancestors. Do you think of the injustices of opium wars while shooting your load? LOL.
[QUOTE=Kuni042;2552102]I think the magnitude of the crises is measured by number of ICU beds devoted covid-cases. Projections are already saying that even with further lock-down measures (curfews and what not), the number of covid-ICU-beds will be far higher than in the 2nd wave.
The reason why ICU-beds is the strongest indicator is that it means that triage will sharpen: ie. Triage of covid-vs non-covid patients that is. Because ICU-beds MUST also be devoted to all other patients. Once this hard triage happens, the death-toll will sharply increase.[/QUOTE]I agree, but the current predictions has Germany already at ICU peak. And ICU bed usage is currently only about 67% of what they were during the previous wave. Link to health data below.
[URL]https://covid19.healthdata.org/germany?view=resource-use&tab=trend&resource=icu_beds[/URL]
Also consider that the hardest hit Eastern Euro countries (with Czech being the first to get hit) have also already peaked, many over a month ago. Virus is spreading but the high risk groups have largely gotten their vaccines.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2552124]LOL. And yet, the race warrior decades after being in this country, is still stuck at the age of 40 - sleeping in cars to save the 50 bucks for the next Sharks session, LOL.
If it was so easy making millions, you would have made them; as opposed to posting 20 messages on ISG daily. Are you one of those who measures self-worth not by the amount you have in the bank but how many messages you posted in the last 12 hours? You should figure out if you can get paid for all this wisdom you dispense on ISG. Might help paying for the next room.
Perhaps this is your calling in life. Desperately trying to appear smart on anonymous forums printing meaningless gibberish while revenge fucking white working girls for all the injuries done to your ancestors. Do you think of the injustices of opium wars while shooting your load? LOL.[/QUOTE]No, I measure my self worth with Instagram likes, duh.
I did only accumulate most of my net worth in these past 5 years after dicking around and squandering loads of cash during my first 15 adult years. Pretty set for life now. Whoop. (BTW, that means I'm 38 yo).
Anyway, you're right. I'm not even that smart. But I do understand simple compound interest while living a minimalist lifestyle when you're young in order to put away a lump sum.
7 figures is pretty simple once you reach even just an average salary. Put away the max Roth retirement 401 K contribution of $19.5 K per year. Get to $60 K in about 3 years. Put it in a Vanguard / ishares / State Steeet SP500 ETF which has averaged 13.6% annual ROI these last 10 years. Make no further contributions to that account. Just annually compounding that $60 K alone at 13.6% over 22 years puts you at 7 figures, tax free. That's $1.000.000 in 25 years, give or take some untimely bear market slumps. Come to think of it, shit, $19.5 K per year was my average working girl budget for the 3 years prior to COVID. Fuck, that could have been a mil. Dammit!
Or maybe a more modest 8% annual return for 22 years with just contributing the annual $19.5 K max, no employer match needed.
Or How about some riskier investments to your first $1. 000.000:
$60 K in Tesla 2 years ago.
$60 K in bitcoin last April.
$60 K in DogeCoin 2 days ago.
What 40 year old hardcore monger does not have $60 K in retirement savings to grow that to $1. 000.000 by the time they are 60-65? Those guys might need to stop spending on hookers and sugar babes if they don't at least have that much.
P.S. I slept in my car last night after work too. Top level of the parking deck, nice view of the city skyline. Overnight lows of 52 F /11 see. Woke up at 5:30 AM, went to the gym, showered, and back to work this morning. Just saved $50-$100 in hotel. Putting that in my hooker account!
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2552111]You should learn to read better, when I wrote so many times about new car, even not so good than unbreakable previous with nearly 600 000 kms between my hands and under my very heavy right foot, left being to[/QUOTE]When did you get a new car?
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2552115]Quite sure, you can forget German brothels on Summer, before elections for after Angela, and pretty sure until end of year when cold will come after elections making virus stronger. I think more for next May / June 2022 if much less deaths than on 2021 , but Switzerland start now to reopen like very beautiful club Freubad with garden and 2 swimming pools, the most beautiful club in Switzerland, and I think Austria should reopen on beginning of July, like on last year. Also Spain with sea, sun and good foods, just have to adapt to our new world, most important for me being to go in my beloved mountains, wish for Summer ski to prepare my lungs and heart for my climbing tour. Starting on June.[/QUOTE]So first signs of normalcy? Oh giddy.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2552055]Just like your 'medical' "vaccine" promises, this is not ageing very well, is it? LOL! HAHAHAHA!
People: stop trusting CCP troll Nursenary-PaulInZurich-BigBuddy69-Rocky-V who obviously has a Marxist agenda to keep the world in lockdown forever with mutations and new "vaccines", and thus destroying the middle class and P6![/QUOTE]My little shit hole country is doing pretty well. Florida Keys in 2 weeks!
Sorry yours is a little slower. I understand why you would be upset.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2552087]I'm sorry I don't even know how seriously to take this current CDC management under Biden:
CDC Zombie Preparedness ([URL]https://www.cdc.gov/cpr/zombie/index.htm[/URL]).
Do you?.[/QUOTE]For over a decade, a tiny little national military has been using Zombie Apocalypse scenarios to train troops for potential hostile mass disaster threats. Just substitute commies, Mujahideen jihadists, domestic terrorists, or aliens.
[QUOTE]The U.S. Department of Defense released a strategy to combat a potential zombie apocalypse. While the potential opponents might be fictional, the military took it seriously. In fact, the first line of the Counter-Zombie Dominance Plan, or CONPLAN 8888-11, states, This plan was not actually designed as a joke.
The origins of the plan can be traced to training exercises held in 2009 and 2010, during which young officers participating in the Joint Operational Planning and Execution System realized the potential upsides to planning for a hypothetical zombie attack.
[url] https://www.history.com/news/are-you-prepared-for-a-zombie-apocalypse-the-u-s-government-is[/url]
[/QUOTE]Probably worthy of taking a read at the CDC plan since it's mock training scenario based on US Pentagon war games.
My buddy took the Air Force's hunter course and I took the medic one. He learned how to cure deer urine to use it as lure and I learned how to turn the deer's bladder into a sturdy water pouch. Very stretchy.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2552013]Brazil variant is already confirmed in 36 countries. And this is during a time when CV19 testing is more readily available! Borders are porous. There are probably thousands of undocumented cases across these 36 countries. In 3-4 weeks, it is very likely that the Brazil variant will be the dominant strain in at least a few of the 36 countries. Even though France has blocked flights from Brazil, cases of the Brazil variant will still sneak into France via indirect hop. France will not be able to stop it, only buy some time.
CV19 has a long incubation period and a large portion of people are asymptomatic. Pre-CV19 probably 15 percent of all travellers were Chinese. All it would have taken is for one of those Chinese travellers to come into contact with an Indian student studying in UK at an airport in Dubai in January 2020. Since the mainstream media had yet to begin their fear-monger campaign, and nobody even knew to change their behavior (fist bumping, social distancing), CV19 would have easily spread to the master white race back in the USA and Dale with three chins would have eventually gotten infected. Point is even if they blocked flights from China Jan-Feb 2020, NYC would have still gotten hit hard. It just would have happened in May 2020 as opposed to April 2020.[/QUOTE]Retro-testing Red Cross blood donations from 9 different American States, SARS-CoV-2 antibodies were already found in 100 of 7000 blood samples back in December 2019. And they were found in all 9 states sampled.
[QUOTE]To determine if SARS-CoV-2reactive antibodies were present in sera prior to the first identified case in the United States on 19 January 2020, residual archived samples from 7389 routine blood donations collected by the American Red Cross from 13 December 2019 to 17 January 2020 from donors resident in 9 states (California, Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, Michigan, Oregon, Rhode Island, Washington, and Wisconsin) were tested at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for antiSARS-CoV-2 antibodies.
Of the 7389 samples, 106 were reactive by pan-Ig.
Donations with reactivity occurred in all 9 states.
[URL]https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1785/6012472[/URL]
[/QUOTE]After a 3 week trip to Japan and Vietnam in December 2019 (did a few hookers, walked through some large crowds), I returned to the States to work an Emergency Department contract. During January 2020, we had been discharging a noticeably larger number of people home with the vague diagnosis of "Flu-like illness with a viral respiratory pattern." That basically meant that the patient tested negative for flu but the workup mimicked a flu bronchitis or mild pneumonia. At the end of January, I then made my quarterly-ish FKK trip to Germany. During that trip, my kill count was probably something like the usual 12-15 hookers in about 20 or so rooms. Between circling 3 continents, possible exposure in the Emergency department, tons of hooker juice, I could have been patient zero or the Ebola monkey spreading it to from Asia to the Americas and to Europe.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2552091]Adding to my last response, anyone who doesn't understand what's "just saying" words, are simply dumb, that includes the few bleach drinking Trump supporters and the vast majority of libtards who use those words in their stupid arguments.[/QUOTE]Not surprisingly the point sailed over your head. Trump's suggestion was a particularly glaring example of the thousands of moronic remarks and / or actions that cued us that he was unfit to lead the country, and especially during a deadly pandemic. Given the remarks were at the same time hilarious, and that he later pretended that he wasn't serious when he clearly was, it was used with enthusiasm in a successful campaign to remove him from power. That's smart, with the stupidity on Trump, and of course you as well with your lame attempts to stick up for him.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33QdTOyXz3w[/URL]
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2552111]You should learn to read better...[/QUOTE]Based on evidence on ISG, you never wrote an essay in school. You know, using paragraphs, sentences with a structure, etc. If you did by accident write one, you were given a passing grade only on compassionate grounds.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2552111]heavy right foot, left being to kick in brakes..[/QUOTE]Cute how always you bring up left foot braking, like you are the only person who heard about it. Any kid who has ever been in a go kart knows that. Most people learn as well that driving on public roads is not racing. But you have to compensate for your issues with your driving.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2552111]when I was caught in Germany at 205 for 100 on autobahn, but 200 and 1 month forbidden to drive in Germany.[/QUOTE]Wait, if there is a sign on the Autobahn for max speed 100 km / h you are supposed to respect that? A few posts ago you didn't seem to be aware of this. So, wasn't speeding, never caught, OK, maybe only a bit, OK, but was only on highway, OK, in Germany 105 km h overspeeding on Autobahn with driver license suspended at least once.
People who speed by this much should never ever be allowed to drive on public roads. You know who else speeds by so much? Guys who are still in puberty and think that if they can push a pedal by 1 cm it makes them a man.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2552091]Adding to my last response, anyone who doesn't understand what's "just saying" words, are simply dumb, that includes the few bleach drinking Trump supporters and the vast majority of libtards who use those words in their stupid arguments.[/QUOTE]Don't forget to add to that the morons who stormed the Capitol building.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2552051]Oh yeah, I predicted all of this already in autumn last year, but nobody cared to listen.
...
P.S. Don't shoot the messenger just because I deliver you reality instead of Nursanary's / PaulInZurich's / BigBuddy69's social-medical-engineering pipe dreams.[/QUOTE]Ah, so cute, HT is back. Why are you still using a computer since the government is tracking every keystroke? Did you find out in the meantime that Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab have children?
It is theoretically possible that German FKKs won't open this year, depends on what happens in the next 3 months. But Austria will open them and Switzerland already has a lot of them open.
By the way, since you claim that vaccines don't work for all variants, I have some news for you. People who went through the disease don't have the same immunity against the SA and Brazilian variant. So, according to you there is no solution to the pandemic and 2020 is the new normal.
I have a prediction too. You won't be able to fly internationally without a covid vaccine passport or a recent negative test. Do you prefer the nasal or the anal swab?
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2552040]May be you are aware that I am working in China for many years, I just advice you to take out from your Audi all the pieces made in China, you reaction is the typical one from the people who are no more competitive. How many times have you travel to China, where are you getting you info from, maybe you should go there, pass the driving license and make your own opinion. The living standard in China is booming for 99% of the population, they are living in a country of full freedom contrary what so many are saying, I still believe that the freedom in China in higher that the one in France during De Gaulle. Women can go out at any time, no risk to be raped, the elderly are very protected never aggressed by migrants.[/QUOTE]There is no doubt that economically China made immense progress. I have my doubts about political freedom though. I know plenty of people through work in Hong Kong (of course HK is a small part), but they are not so enthusiastic. There they had economic freedom before and they feel they are losing freedom now.
Can you go in Tiananmen square with a big sign saying "Communist party sucks" and they will leave you alone?
[QUOTE=Pistons;2552048]Dude!
I'm a Viking. We've never had laser sharks here. Only Lazer Raptors. As seen here from 0:17.
[URL]https://youtu.be/dglXyZY5o3g[/URL][/QUOTE]Fucking awesome. Downloading it.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2552091]Adding to my last response, anyone who doesn't understand what's "just saying" words, are simply dumb, that includes the few bleach drinking Trump supporters and the vast majority of libtards who use those words in their stupid arguments.[/QUOTE]It's really becoming a troll fest here and that's funny but a lot of the guys using the same arguments (libtards, cccp and so on, I thought maccarthysm ended some decades ago) are nicknames who became active roughly at the same time a few years ago, had lots of things to do but rarely provided accurate reports, only vague stories and who where labelled 'bitumen personas' by veteran members.
Now they have a new tactic: flooding this thread under a constant stream of more and less conspiracy related theories found on YouTube and Facebook (everyone knows that those two companies are absolutely not at all interested in making money and are just looking to enlighten the population) and every time they're proven wrong or debunked they release the 'libtards cccp blablabla' floodgate and skip to another theory.
I just checked for example one of the earliest theories of this thread.
The 'hydroxychloroquin + zinc + vitamin will save us all I saw it on Russia Today but its silenced by mass media big pharma and so on. The treatment still has not proved its efficiency and there is right now another clinical trial sponsored by progenabiome which is guess what? A med lab. So much for the big pharma conspiracy.
The problem is, throwing random arguments and prophecies is like mail spamming, it doesn't take time. Finding logical information is more time consuming.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2552124]If it was so easy making millions, you would have made them; as opposed to posting 20 messages on ISG daily. Are you one of those who measures self-worth not by the amount you have in the bank but how many messages you posted in the last 12 hours? You should figure out if you can get paid for all this wisdom you dispense on ISG. Might help paying for the next room.
Perhaps this is your calling in life. Desperately trying to appear smart on anonymous forums printing meaningless gibberish while revenge fucking white working girls for all the injuries done to your ancestors. Do you think of the injustices of opium wars while shooting your load? LOL.[/QUOTE]Spot on! CCP Troll and medical 'expert' Nursenary gets paid per misinformation post to 'upsell' the ISG public more lockdowns, more "vaccines" and more mutations.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2552048]Dude!
I'm a Viking. We've never had laser sharks here. Only Lazer Raptors. As seen here from 0:17.
[URL]https://youtu.be/dglXyZY5o3g[/URL][/QUOTE]Valkyries with machine guns riding dinosaurs? Hell yeah!
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2552154]I agree, but the current predictions has Germany already at ICU peak. And ICU bed usage is currently only about 67% of what they were during the previous wave. Link to health data below.[/QUOTE]Under what stone are you living? Perhaps spend some more time learning German so you can read the German media? Or don't they teach you German in that CCP Propaganda School you attended?
As Kuni042 wrote: in Germany the lockdown rules are becoming MORE strict and the German mainstream media are panic-mongering 24-7 about "hospitals being overrun."
[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/covid-germany-update-new-intensive-care-cases/a-57241317[/URL]
Merkel wants a new law, giving the national government the power to override the individual federal states when it comes to lockdowns and Covid1984 measures. Why do you think this is?
Is this because 'there is light at the end of the tunnel' and that we're already at the peak? Or is this because the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming freight train loaded with countless vaccine-resistant mutations?
If we were truly almost at the end of this Scamdemic, then Merkel wouldn't need this law, and she and her medical "experts" would be able to easily convince the German federal governments to 'hang in there juuuuust a little bit longer.'
The bitter reality is probably that the politicians know that they made a total mess of this situation, that "vaccines" won't help much against a fast-mutating Corona virus, and that more lockdowns, "vaccine-updates," and face diapers will be needed in autumn 2021 and in 2022, 2023 etc.
[QUOTE=Canary;2552060]Spoken like a true Frenchman.[/QUOTE]I am, but nothing against UK citizens when I know some, just facts UK mutant born in UK, was spread in whole EU and killed a lot, and I'm afraid now south African and Brazilian will help it to kill even more. When Germany reopened a bit on end of last year, but I doubt for this year when they have now 80 000 deaths and I m pretty sure they agree with me about too many deaths in their country, and also in mine with now more than 100 000, when UK is number 1 in Europe for deaths. Just sad time for too long. More than 3 millions deaths and not finished.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2551898]This is new, so now according to you even photo is not enough. So speeding fines are valid only if they stop you on the spot. How do you know their radar is correct? What if somebody takes your car, takes your ID and has cosmetic surgery to look like you? The police should prove this is not the case as well, right?
If true, clearly irresponsible behaviour.
Of course, all WGs wait for you and refuse other clients. I wonder how they don't die of hunger waiting for you or are you in all clubs all the time. Just as believable as you claiming that you are fitter than Peter Sagan.
You were given multiple links to laws and court decisions even decisions at European Court of Human Rights. On the other hand you watched some reruns of Boston Legal dubbed in French and think that you know what is going on.
Keep telling yourself how amazing you are. I can agree with you that you are "unique" and "special".[/QUOTE]For my job, I m used to work with laws and lawyers and according to international laws, Switzerland don't respect them, but when justice process problem, then no value for charge, just basic knowledge for lawyers. When I m caught in Germany, I'm guilty, when I m not caught in Switzerland, I m innocent according to all international laws, and I don't even waste my time to read your links, just ask any lawyer. I didn't make their basic rules for job. Swiss administration are just more robbers than WGs, or maybe I m luckier with WGs. And I never pay robbers, when I pay lovely WGs but I love when they offer me a bit, like time or extra. As I wrote, I'm trained to be able to resist to Swiss administration, I'm not afraid of them, like I m not afraid of covid. Let's see on next control and let s see for climbing, but any bicycle need a guy able to turn legs.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2552040]May be you are aware that I am working in China for many years, I just advice you to take out from your Audi all the pieces made in China, you reaction is the typical one from the people who are no more competitive. How many times have you travel to China, where are you getting you info from, maybe you should go there, pass the driving license and make your own opinion. The living standard in China is booming for 99% of the population, they are living in a country of full freedom contrary what so many are saying, I still believe that the freedom in China in higher that the one in France during De Gaulle. Women can go out at any time, no risk to be raped, the elderly are very protected never aggressed by migrants.[/QUOTE]But are you telling us for freedom, human rights and safety about government, when people disappear in China? Just a joke. And you want also to tell us for Chinese products quality? I would not dare to drive like I do in a Chinese car, when Audi, even so bad, not sporty quattro new generation, are so safe to push, even over grip. What is average salary in whole China? Not only big cities. About safety, a mother made kidnapped her daughter, when French justice gave daughter to her grandmother, when mother was judged not able to take care of her daughter. I don t judge mother because I know can be very difficult for mother without her daughter, but where did she hide? In unsafe France? No, in 3 different places and helped by many people in very safe Switzerland. So safe. Easy to enter.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2552230]There is no doubt that economically China made immense progress. I have my doubts about political freedom though. I know plenty of people through work in Hong Kong (of course HK is a small part), but they are not so enthusiastic. There they had economic freedom before and they feel they are losing freedom now.
Can you go in Tiananmen square with a big sign saying "Communist party sucks" and they will leave you alone?[/QUOTE]China loves freedom, ask the ouighours. They all work freely in nice labor camps.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2552283]For my job, I m used to work with laws and lawyers and according to international laws, Switzerland don't respect them, but when justice process problem, then no value for charge, just basic knowledge for lawyers. When I m caught in Germany, I'm guilty, when I m not caught in Switzerland, I m innocent according to all international laws, and I don't even waste my time to read your links, just ask any lawyer. I didn't make their basic rules for job. Swiss administration are just more robbers than WGs, or maybe I m luckier with WGs. And I never pay robbers, when I pay lovely WGs but I love when they offer me a bit, like time or extra. As I wrote, I'm trained to be able to resist to Swiss administration, I'm not afraid of them, like I m not afraid of covid. Let's see on next control and let s see for climbing, but any bicycle need a guy able to turn legs.[/QUOTE]It's clearly noticed that you never present any logical argument or present any facts. Just random ramblings.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2552289]But are you telling us for freedom, human rights and safety about government, when people disappear in China? Just a joke. And you want also to tell us for Chinese products quality? I would not dare to drive like I do in a Chinese car, when Audi, even so bad, not sporty quattro new generation, are so safe to push, even over grip. What is average salary in whole China? Not only big cities. About safety, a mother made kidnapped her daughter, when French justice gave daughter to her grandmother, when mother was judged not able to take care of her daughter. I don t judge mother because I know can be very difficult for mother without her daughter, but where did she hide? In unsafe France? No, in 3 different places and helped by many people in very safe Switzerland. So safe. Easy to enter.[/QUOTE]If you want to speak about human rights, may be you should check what happened in Paris the 17 October 1961, how many Algerian were killed, and how many people were sentenced? Better you apply for a chinese visa and you spend there several months so may be you will change your mind.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2552230]There is no doubt that economically China made immense progress. I have my doubts about political freedom though. I know plenty of people through work in Hong Kong (of course HK is a small part), but they are not so enthusiastic. There they had economic freedom before and they feel they are losing freedom now.
Can you go in Tiananmen square with a big sign saying "Communist party sucks" and they will leave you alone?[/QUOTE]Of course not but what is the interest of doing that, I have never done this in France or Germany. I never stay 1 night in HK, it is not China for me, I always take the ferry to Shenzhen were there is a lot of space, large roads. I like China but hate HK.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2552257]Valkyries with machine guns riding dinosaurs? Hell yeah![/QUOTE]If you haven't watched the whole movie, its just 30 minutes and all available on youtube. Hilarious stuff!
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2552174]No, I measure my self worth with Instagram likes, duh.
I did only accumulate most of my net worth in these past 5 years after dicking around and squandering loads of cash during my first 15 adult years. Pretty set for life now. Whoop. (BTW, that means I'm 38 yo).
Anyway, you're right. I'm not even that smart. But I do understand simple compound interest while living a minimalist lifestyle when you're young in order to put away a lump sum.
7 figures is pretty simple once you reach even just an average salary. Put away the max Roth retirement 401 K contribution of $19.5 K per year. Get to $60 K in about 3 years. Put it in a Vanguard / ishares / State Steeet SP500 ETF which has averaged 13.6% annual ROI these last 10 years. Make no further contributions to that account. Just annually compounding that $60 K alone at 13.6% over 22 years puts you at 7 figures, tax free. That's $1.000.000 in 25 years, give or take some untimely bear market slumps. Come to think of it, shit, $19.5 K per year was my average working girl budget for the 3 years prior to COVID. Fuck, that could have been a mil. Dammit!
Or maybe a more modest 8% annual return for 22 years with just contributing the annual $19.5 K max, no employer match needed.
Or How about some riskier investments to your first $1. 000.000:
$60 K in Tesla 2 years ago.
$60 K in bitcoin last April.
$60 K in DogeCoin 2 days ago.
What 40 year old hardcore monger does not have $60 K in retirement savings to grow that to $1. 000.000 by the time they are 60-65? Those guys might need to stop spending on hookers and sugar babes if they don't at least have that much.
P.S. I slept in my car last night after work too. Top level of the parking deck, nice view of the city skyline. Overnight lows of 52 F /11 see. Woke up at 5:30 AM, went to the gym, showered, and back to work this morning. Just saved $50-$100 in hotel. Putting that in my hooker account![/QUOTE]"7 figures is pretty simple once you reach even just an average salary."
LOL. If growing net worth was as easy as typing*comments on ISG, yeah this country would be full of millionaires. There is not a single age bracket in the country with median net worth near that amount. Not even close.
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/select/average-net-worth-by-age/[/URL].
"$60 K in Tesla 2 years ago. $60 K in bitcoin last April. $60 K in DogeCoin 2 days ago." - Sure, let us know when you turned into Biff Tannen and brought home quotes from the future.
A million bucks might seem like a great amount if you have no family, no one to care for, and your biggest*concern in life is paying for the next hooker room. In this day and age, many people with a million in even semi urban areas don't think of themselves as being anything more than middle middle class or even lower middle if in expensive urban areas. Particularly true because most people benchmark themselves against their peers more successful than themselves; at least the ones who do well in life are that way.
"BTW, that means I'm 38 yo)".
Yeah sure. You are a regular Robert Pattinson alright. "And how long have you been 17?""A while.
Considering that your biggest bragging point is the claim about not being 40 yet, you better stay 38 for a few more years. And never ever mix with a crowd younger than you, that will shatter your Alaska sized ego when they call you boomer. Oh the horror.
"No, I measure my self worth with Instagram likes, duh."
Glad to see you graduated from Tik Tok. There is hope yet.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2552303]It's clearly noticed that you never present any logical argument or present any facts. Just random ramblings.[/QUOTE]Just ask lawyers about justice process rules and go to speak in French to ZH polizei or administration, to test real facts, not your internet links. I didn't say they don t speak French in west Wallis or Geneva, Lausanne, Neuchatel.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2552260]Under what stone are you living? Perhaps spend some more time learning German so you can read the German media? Or don't they teach you German in that CCP Propaganda School you attended?
As Kuni042 wrote: in Germany the lockdown rules are becoming MORE strict and the German mainstream media are panic-mongering 24-7 about "hospitals being overrun."
[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/covid-germany-update-new-intensive-care-cases/a-57241317[/URL]
Merkel wants a new law, giving the national government the power to override the individual federal states when it comes to lockdowns and Covid1984 measures. Why do you think this is?
Is this because 'there is light at the end of the tunnel' and that we're already at the peak? Or is this because the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming freight train loaded with countless vaccine-resistant mutations?
If we were truly almost at the end of this Scamdemic, then Merkel wouldn't need this law, and she and her medical "experts" would be able to easily convince the German federal governments to 'hang in there juuuuust a little bit longer..[/QUOTE]Problem is some seem to think only data, but without any knowledge of local culture, when Europeans are different from Asians or US and even big differences between UK, Germans and French, but at least quite same rules in EU, Switzerland not respecting. My best example being formula 1 pilots telling I feel better reality than your data, their engineer drinking computer. Field is more accurate than data. Under such situation, can only fantasy about German brothels for a while.
Here you go:
[URL]https://youtu.be/qFIxMGWrfTQ[/URL]
Everything I have said regarding the science surrounding this blood clot issue has been 100% accurate. And 99% of what the wannabe nurses here on ISG have said, have been wrong. They are never updated. They don't know anything about thrombosis, nor vaccines. And definitely nothing regarding quantum physics.
They sometimes google stuff after I first mention it though. And then post random silly off topic things.
P.S. their numbers are wrong. And they also have included CVST figures induced from the MMR vaccine on the non-covid vaccine numbers.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2552018]Death and hospitalization data paints a much more realistic picture of the current reality. Nearing similar case numbers as January but only a quarter of the deaths and hospitalizations.[/QUOTE]If we compare current situation against the absolute peak, nearly every country in the world is performing well (except maybe Brazil or India).
On 7-day incidence rate, UK is at 16 cases per 100 K, while Germany is at 171 cases per 100 K: [URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1139048/coronavirus-case-rates-in-the-past-7-days-in-europe-by-country/[/URL].
UK is performing six times more tests, so more testing need not result in more cases detected: [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Tests&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~DEU[/URL].
UK was in a dire situation just a three months ago and have turned it around completely (or enough to relax restrictions significantly).
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2552456]UK was in a dire situation just a three months ago and have turned it around completely (or enough to relax restrictions significantly).[/QUOTE]Temporarily good for them. Too bad though for all those British who now has their blood messed for 25 years. Instead of just getting sick and be done with it after a few months with natural immunity.
And too bad that we are unable to vaccinate the entire world's population the same day. So that new mutants just won't take over shortly thereafter. Give it 6-8 months and UK is back where they started before vaccinations. With some new exotic strains coming from the south.
Don't really have a political dog in the fight so I'll leave that passion to you.
Not nearly as certain as you with future predictions, just my reasonably educated 2 cents with the data we have. It predicts better times. With my knowledge base, I've come to believe in the vaccines, you don't. Cool, we'll find out soon enough.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2552260]Under what stone are you living? Perhaps spend some more time learning German so you can read the German media? Or don't they teach you German in that CCP Propaganda School you attended?
As Kuni042 wrote: in Germany the lockdown rules are becoming MORE strict and the German mainstream media are panic-mongering 24-7 about "hospitals being overrun."
[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/covid-germany-update-new-intensive-care-cases/a-57241317[/URL]
Merkel wants a new law, giving the national government the power to override the individual federal states when it comes to lockdowns and Covid1984 measures. Why do you think this is?
Is this because 'there is light at the end of the tunnel' and that we're already at the peak? Or is this because the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming freight train loaded with countless vaccine-resistant mutations?
If we were truly almost at the end of this Scamdemic, then Merkel wouldn't need this law, and she and her medical "experts" would be able to easily convince the German federal governments to 'hang in there juuuuust a little bit longer..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2552377]Just ask lawyers about justice process rules and go to speak in French to ZH polizei or administration, to test real facts, not your internet links. I didn't say they don t speak French in west Wallis or Geneva, Lausanne, Neuchatel.[/QUOTE]Funny you write about "real facts" yet you never post anything else than your ramblings without anything to back them up.
It was never a matter of discussion if they speak French in the Romandie. Again you change the subject since you have zero facts behind your "opinions."
After claiming for years that you were not speeding in Switzerland, you yourself said that you were speeding, you got several fines in the mail that you just ignored. Then you wondered when once you got pulled over by the police. The links show to anybody who cares about facts in this situation that: the Swiss law holds the owner of the car responsible for fines, that this was litigated in Swiss Federal Court and even more so that several other countries as well hold the owner of the car responsible for fines (unless the owner credibly identifies the driver), that a similar law in Netherlands was litigated up to the European Court of Human Rights.
Now you start rambling how you know lawyers. Funny that you didn't use any of these lawyers when you claim that your human rights are violated. Maybe these lawyers told you something about credibility. You know, when somebody's first five claims are proven wrong, nobody believes any other claim.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2552385]Problem is some seem to think only data, but without any knowledge of local culture, when Europeans are different from Asians or US and even big differences between UK, Germans and French, but at least quite same rules in EU, Switzerland not respecting. My best example being formula 1 pilots telling I feel better reality than your data, their engineer drinking computer. Field is more accurate than data. Under such situation, can only fantasy about German brothels for a while.[/QUOTE]LOL, going to brothels does not count towards knowing local culture. To claim to know the local culture you must have lived there at least several months. In how many countries did you actually live? Stalking prostitutes in a brothel over the weekend does not count.
Your "best example" is at best completely irrelevant. The pilot is at most 20-25% of the results in formula 1 this was said by formula 1 drivers. Why do you think the teams spend tens of millions for CFD, wind tunnels, race simulations etc.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2552423]Here you go:
[URL]https://youtu.be/qFIxMGWrfTQ[/URL]
Everything I have said regarding the science surrounding this blood clot issue has been 100% accurate.[/QUOTE]Except the percentages.
First minutes of your video:
6,8 millions of doses, 6 cases. Something like one in a million. In the title of your video: "rare".
Congratulations, you just discovered that meds have side effects.
Little reminder: in France, 100,000 deaths for a population of about 70 M. That makes 1/700. Quite superior to 1/1000,000.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2552373]"7 figures is pretty simple once you reach even just an average salary."
LOL. If growing net worth was as easy as typing*comments on ISG, yeah this country would be full of millionaires. There is not a single age bracket in the country with median net worth near that amount. Not even close.
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/select/average-net-worth-by-age/[/URL].
"$60 K in Tesla 2 years ago. $60 K in bitcoin last April. $60 K in DogeCoin 2 days ago." - Sure, let us know when you turned into Biff Tannen and brought home quotes from the future.
A million bucks might seem like a great amount if you have no family, no one to care for, and your biggest*concern in life is paying for the next hooker room. In this day and age, many people with a million in even semi urban areas don't think of themselves as being anything more than middle middle class or even lower middle if in expensive urban areas. Particularly true because most people benchmark themselves against their peers more successful than themselves; at least the ones who do well in life are that way.
"BTW, that means I'm 38 yo)"..[/QUOTE]Never thought that me being 38 is a desirable age worthy of brags. I figured that 38 is well past prime. At the same time, I'm good with it. But that seems to be one of your insecurities.
Never said 7 figures meant wealthy, but it is comfortable enough. Just said that 7 figures is easy to achieve in half a lifetime, especially considering the Blueprint posted.
Regarding average median income; being average doesn't mean you will achieve everything that is easy. But if someone had a specific goal, planned carefully, show some restraint, followed a simple blueprint, it's pretty damn easy.
[URL]https://youtu.be/qFIxMGWrfTQ[/URL]
Reposting. Key takeaways in screenshot of video:
CSVT incidence for JnJ vaccine: 0. 09 per 100 K.
CSVT Control / General population: 0. 5 per 100 K.
CSVT in Pregnant women: 10 per 100 K.
CSVT in COVID19 patients: 4.5 per 100 K.
Key takeaway:
CSVT in JnJ is still less than background incidence in control population, Pregnant women, and COVID19 patients.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2552239]It's really becoming a troll fest here and that's funny but a lot of the guys using the same arguments (libtards, cccp and so on, I thought maccarthysm ended some decades ago) are nicknames who became active roughly at the same time a few years ago, had lots of things to do but rarely provided accurate reports, only vague stories and who where labelled 'bitumen personas' by veteran members.
Now they have a new tactic: flooding this thread under a constant stream of more and less conspiracy related theories found on YouTube and Facebook (everyone knows that those two companies are absolutely not at all interested in making money and are just looking to enlighten the population) and every time they're proven wrong or debunked they release the 'libtards cccp blablabla' floodgate and skip to another theory.[/QUOTE]Please just stop your insane mental ideas regarding a presumed conspiracy theory happening here on ISG against immature wannabes like you, the nurse and the Zurich guy!
Only because me, HammerTime and a few others are actually updated on science and news!
Your post is nothing more than a conspiracy theory!
[QUOTE=Pistons;2552423]Here you go:
[URL]https://youtu.be/qFIxMGWrfTQ[/URL]
Everything I have said regarding the science surrounding this blood clot issue has been 100% accurate. And 99% of what the wannabe nurses here on ISG have said, have been wrong. They are never updated. They don't know anything about thrombosis, nor vaccines. And definitely nothing regarding quantum physics.
They sometimes google stuff after I first mention it though. And then post random silly off topic things.[/QUOTE]Denmark has already completely halted the AstraZeneca "vaccine:" [URL]https://www.rt.com/news/521005-denmark-completely-halt-astrazeneca/[/URL].
Fully vaccinated people in care home test positive to Covid19 in NRW:
[URL]https://reitschuster.de/post/das-hat-politische-sprengkraft-geimpfte-positiv-auf-corona-getestet/[/URL]
These people have already been FULLY (I. E. Both shots) vaccinated in January, yet in April they test positive to Covid19.
[QUOTE]Anschließende PCR-Tests bestätigten die Schnelltestergebnisse bei einem Teil der Betroffenen noch am Mittwochnachmittag (14.04.). Spätestens am Freitag (16.04.) war dann klar, dass alle 17 auch PCR-positiv waren. Unter ihnen waren 12 Bewohner und 2 Angestellte, die ihre 2. Corona-Schutzimpfung bereits Mitte Januar erhalten hatten. Laut dem Focus waren die Senioren mit dem RNA-Vakzin von BioNTech geimpft worden. Als nun festgestelltes Virus gaben die örtlichen Behörden die britische Variante B.1.1.7. an.[/QUOTE]My quick & basic translation: 'Subsequent PCR tests confirmed the quick-tests among a part of the affected people on Wednesday the 14th. On Friday the 16th April, it was clear that all 17 people were PCR positive. Among them were 12 inhabitants, and 2 employees who already received their second Corona vaccine protection in the middle of January. According to Focus, the senior citizens were vaccinated with BioNTech. The local authorities indicated the British variant B1. 1.7.'
Similar cases have been observed in Remscheid, Bochum and in the county-landkreis of Fuerth (Bavaria), where fully vaccinated people have tested positive to Covid19.
Forget about a reopening of FKK clubs in 2021 folks! The lockdowns will continue, and Merkel is busy trying to pass a new law allowing the national government in Berlin to override local state governments when it comes to initiating nationwide lockdowns and curfews.
By betting on lockdowns and "vaccines" (scared by the propaganda media) people have obviously betted on the WRONG horse.
Once more, here is vaccine expert Geert vanden Bossche, explaining why lockdowns and vaccines in the middle of an outbreak do not work: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shg0VWkz0VM[/URL].
Who do you trust more? Some anonymous 'nurse' with a bunch of different troll-usernames on a hooker forum, or a scientist who posts stuff under his real name and makes videos revealing his face and identity?
I have a question to the wannabe gang of nurses and Satan spawns here:
How does it feel to be called out regarding your 0 knowledge about quantum biology?
I noticed a certain amount of silence after my posts about it.
Are you clueless, or are you just clueless nobodies with absolute no balls?
[QUOTE=Pistons;2552469]Temporarily good for them. Too bad though for all those British who now has their blood messed for 25 years. Instead of just getting sick and be done with it after a few months with natural immunity.
And too bad that we are unable to vaccinate the entire world's population the same day. So that new mutants just won't take over shortly thereafter. Give it 6-8 months and UK is back where they started before vaccinations. With some new exotic strains coming from the south.[/QUOTE]According to this theory, shouldn't new variants appear in areas where the vaccinations were done? So a new variant in the UK (not the current Kent one) or a new variant in Israel. You were claiming earlier that variants showed up in SA and Brasil because vaccine testing was done there.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2552587]Once more, here is vaccine expert Geert vanden Bossche, explaining why lockdowns and vaccines in the middle of an outbreak do not work: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shg0VWkz0VM[/URL].
Who do you trust more? Some anonymous 'nurse' with a bunch of different troll-usernames on a hooker forum, or a scientist who posts stuff under his real name and makes videos revealing his face and identity?[/QUOTE]Don't forget what he also says on his website pdf from 25 March: "Again, as much as I was in favor of letng the original pandemic (wild type!) run its natural course (in the absence of vaccines inducing sterilizing immunity!) while protecting the vulnerable and focusing on early treatment, I am now convinced that the only way to get rid of this pandemic is to use vaccines capable to eradicate C19 and all its variants. "
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2552587]Fully vaccinated people in care home test positive to Covid19 in NRW:
?[/QUOTE]Out of 80 million fully vaccinated people in the US, how many got reinfected?
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2552587]Fully vaccinated people in care home test positive to Covid19 in NRW:
[URL]https://reitschuster.de/post/das-hat-politische-sprengkraft-geimpfte-positiv-auf-corona-getestet/[/URL]
These people have already been FULLY (I. E. Both shots) vaccinated in January, yet in April they test positive to Covid19.
My quick & basic translation: 'Subsequent PCR tests confirmed the quick-tests among a part of the affected people on Wednesday the 14th. On Friday the 16th April, it was clear that all 17 people were PCR positive. Among them were 12 inhabitants, and 2 employees who already received their second Corona vaccine protection in the middle of January. According to Focus, the senior citizens were vaccinated with BioNTech. The local authorities indicated the British variant B1. 1.7.'
Similar cases have been observed in Remscheid, Bochum and in the county-landkreis of Fuerth (Bavaria), where fully vaccinated people have tested positive to Covid19.[/QUOTE]And yet after more than 1 year of this shit there are still people who don't know the difference between testing positive for Covid-19 and developing Covid-19 disease. These people also don't understand that the lockdown measures are only meant to avoid the saturation of hospital ICU beds and, therefore, if people would only test positive without developing the disease, there would be no need for lockdowns. The same people also think that the vaccine will provide you with a Star-Trek-like energy barrier that will not make you come into contact with the virus. Wow!
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2552584]Denmark has already completely halted the AstraZeneca "vaccine:" [URL]https://www.rt.com/news/521005-denmark-completely-halt-astrazeneca/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Question. Are you an anti Vaxxer? Or just against the covid ones?
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2552587]who do you trust more? Some anonymous 'nurse' with a bunch of different troll-usernames on a hooker forum, or a scientist who posts stuff under his real name and makes videos revealing his face and identity?[/QUOTE]I'm guessing people who disagree with you are not getting their information from me. Who on their right mind would use out there would use postings on a hooker board as the primary source of covid info?
Is France a religious country?
Anyone else know anything about Quantum Bio? I don't know much myself. What am I going to do about that knowledge deficit? Prioritize that somewhere around item# 128 on my to do list.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2552534]Never thought that me being 38 is a desirable age worthy of brags. I figured that 38 is well past prime. At the same time, I'm good with it. But that seems to be one of your insecurities.
Never said 7 figures meant wealthy, but it is comfortable enough. Just said that 7 figures is easy to achieve in half a lifetime, especially considering the Blueprint posted.
Regarding average median income; being average doesn't mean you will achieve everything that is easy. But if someone had a specific goal, planned carefully, show some restraint, followed a simple blueprint, it's pretty damn easy.[/QUOTE]I am 44, will be 45 soon; I was 38 six years ago, I will be 50 in 6 years. Age is THE most predictable, forecast-able number. I was not celebrating 6 years ago nor will I be despondent in 6; but your posts are littered with references to your age. Not particularly an accomplishment that you worked hard to achieve. And for someone who lectures profusely about race and other woke ideas, you exhibit a generous amount of ageism. It would behoove you to reflect on it. Ageism is a much bigger blight in today's corporate, workplace America than race is and any number of 55+ crowd can tell you that from personal experiences.
As for accumulating wealth. The toughest part of doing so is showing the requisite financial discipline, in addition to obviously earning sufficient amounts annually. It is meaningless to claim that one can get to 7 or 8 figures if only one did x, why, and z. When it is exactly those x, y, z that are tough to pull off. The median 401 K balances are much less than $100 K for every age bracket and keep in mind many people don't even have a 401 K or barely fund it. Warren Buffett is not the smartest guy in the world, far from it, it is even possible that there are dozens of super sharp 20 something analysts at elite hedge funds that have more raw IQ horsepower than Buffett does, but none of them will ever get to his wealth level 60 years from now.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2552606]According to this theory, shouldn't new variants appear in areas where the vaccinations were done? So a new variant in the UK (not the current Kent one) or a new variant in Israel. You were claiming earlier that variants showed up in SA and Brasil because vaccine testing was done there.[/QUOTE]Waiting, the things are not changing by day, or weeks or even months. Nobody can predict the future of this pandemy, may be everything will be under control in several months due to the positive effect of the vaccines cumulated with the herd immunity from the people who already got the covid, may be new variants will pop up in India or / and Brazil which could challenge the efficiency of the vaccines. More and more travel restrictions from India and Brazil are put on place and today Israel ordered new vaccines from Pfister, for sure there is a point of concern.
60 Minutes Australia:
[URL]https://youtu.be/zgTeNFIY-b0[/URL]
As always, I was right all along!
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2552606]According to this theory, shouldn't new variants appear in areas where the vaccinations were done? So a new variant in the UK (not the current Kent one) or a new variant in Israel. You were claiming earlier that variants showed up in SA and Brasil because vaccine testing was done there.[/QUOTE]I was not the one who claimed that. Keep your tongue straight. And stop lying about me.
I merely stated the facts that covid vaccines were tested in Brazil because the hidden elite didn't like Brazil fucking with the rainforest. And that was also why new strains were released there. Just like the original strain was purposefully released in China. And the same with the Kent and SA variants. The SA version because of reverse apartheid politics. And as I have not yet publicized yet: the Kent version because the original strain was too harmless and didn't spread fast enough. So it was too easy to stop through simple quarantine policies.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2552456]UK is performing six times more tests, so more testing need not result in more cases detected: [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Tests&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~DEU[/URL].
[/QUOTE]Share of tests that are positive is a more direct metric for your point. (In relation to total tests of course).
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Share+of+positive+tests&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR[/URL]
But also, this number will have less relevance as an indicator for the pandemic situation in the second half of 2021. It appears that the average case acuity in vaccinated nations has decreased substantially.
In my opinion, to which Kuni has previously alluded, hospitalization census, especially for ICU, is the best real time SitRep when assessing live COVID state of affairs. It's unfortunate that hospitalization data is so fragmented, even between states and provinces in a given nation. But so far so good for most of those nations, fingers crossed.
Of all nations, I believe the next 2 months in the UK will give us the best indicator of how the second half of 2021 may go. There will surely be a rise in case acuity at some point sooner rather than later. Whether that rise is a mountain or a mole hill should be used by other western nations to construct their individualized lockdown exit plans. For this, I think other nations will owe a bit of gratitude for the UK and even Israel for being societies that scouted the path forward (or serve as cautionary tales).
So if western society is still 50% restricted by this Christmas, I wouldn't fault the future revolutionaries of a Great Rebellion and happily get out of their way. I'd stock up on ammo, hoard some essential assets, and move quite far from the city centers and try to live my best life.
[QUOTE]So if western society is still 50% restricted by this Christmas, I wouldn't fault the future revolutionaries of a Great Rebellion and would happily get out of their way. I would stock up on ammo, hoard some essential assets, and move quite far from the city centers and try to live my best life.
[/QUOTE]If shit really hits the fan, like diarrhea onto an industrial ceiling fan, Zombie apocalypse disaster training may come in handy too.
Step 1_a Secure physical safety and shelter.
Step 1_b Identify threats and assets.
Step 2 Identify enemies and allies.
Step 3 Secure resources.
Step 4 Build a tribe. Prioritize Warriors first. Medics second. Mechanics, Handymen, and Engineers next. Other professions better learn how to grow either food or vaginas.
Step 5 Maintenance and procreation.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2552635]Is France a religious country?[/QUOTE]I know you have both mental and reading disabilities making you struggle to keep up with society. But I already wrote it twice here that France is a catholic country.
Calling France is a religious country means slightly something else. That was not my words. But the society in France and its laws are highly shaped Catholicism. And so they still are a catholic country.
How come you try to change the topic again?
Because you know Jack shit nothing regarding quantum biology? You stopped attending school after 9th grade?
The nurses reading disabilities may be the reason why he fails both at school and at science. And why he is never updated on news nor new science.
I once tried to talk to him about Crispr back in 2018 I believe. The nurse claimed he had studied genes, and that this was his topic of expertise. But he had never heard about CRISPR cas-9 (or any other cas-* for that matter).
Can you believe it? A wannabe doctor in 2018 with a wannabe expertise in genes, and he had 0 knowledge about Crispr? He straight out told me that he had never heard about it!
I cannot believe I am wasting my time discussing with you! Go back to school now? Maybe also take a course in how religion shapes society.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2552611]Don't forget what he also says on his website pdf from 25 March: "Again, as much as I was in favor of letng the original pandemic (wild type!) run its natural course (in the absence of vaccines inducing sterilizing immunity!) while protecting the vulnerable and focusing on early treatment, I am now convinced that the only way to get rid of this pandemic is to use vaccines capable to eradicate C19 and all its variants.[/QUOTE]Reposting this reply to reemphasize that the OP selectively extracted the doctor's statements in order to misconstrue his position.
How many people worldwide are using the Internet, 4 billion or more? How many are using ISG, on average around 700? Who are these "users"? One bot who is managing 99% of the nicknames, a few digital cops and me?
I guess Admin one, two and four doing a very important job here. But Admin three is obviously a bit overworked, stressed or something. Once a post is to "blunted" and next time he is not able to recognize a "point". Must be hidden long Covid.
Stay healthy and thankful for every single word.
This is why we call you a nurse here on ISG. Because not even a wannabe doctor educated partly through fake facts would not know about CRISPR in 2018. Or maybe it was in 2019. I cannot remember.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2552630]Question. Are you an anti Vaxxer? Or just against the covid ones?[/QUOTE]I'm NOT against vaccinations and I'm vaxxed against the 'normal' things like Polio, Smallpox and Measles.
There are however thoroughly tested vaccines, unlike the EUA (Emergency Use Authorisation.) Covid "vaccines" which have barely been tested.
Polio, Smallpox and Measles are serious diseases, however Covid19 is mostly no problem for people around my (young) age and has a 0,15% Infectious Mortality Rate for people under 70, so why should I get vaxxed with some experimental drug? To make Big Pharma companies richer? So that corrupt politicians can please their Big Pharma lobbyists?
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2552616]Out of 80 million fully vaccinated people in the US, how many got reinfected?[/QUOTE]We'll find out in autumn when the flu season starts and the Covid19 virus has spent all summer mutating.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2552629]And yet after more than 1 year of this shit there are still people who don't know the difference between testing positive for Covid-19 and developing Covid-19 disease. These people also don't understand that the lockdown measures are only meant to avoid the saturation of hospital ICU beds and, therefore, if people would only test positive without developing the disease, there would be no need for lockdowns. The same people also think that the vaccine will provide you with a Star-Trek-like energy barrier that will not make you come into contact with the virus. Wow![/QUOTE]1) Hospitals in Germany never got close to being overwhelmed.
2) The media and politicians mark "positively tested" people are "infected" even though they have no symptoms, and they use this as a scaremongering basis for their "measures. " You can't move the goalposts by now suggesting that 'it's no big deal if they don't display the symptoms. ' If it's no big deal then why have we people quarantining asymptomatic yet "PCR positive" people for 2 weeks since January last year? So are you now finally admitting that Covid19 is a big hoax?
P.S. As a matter of fact, this is exactly what Geert vanden Bossche is warning for: vaccinated (but not necessarily symptomatic) people are shedding a more dangerous and mutated virus. Watch his videos and learn!
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2552616]Out of 80 million fully vaccinated people in the US, how many got reinfected?[/QUOTE]Another question is if the elderly residents became symptomatic and to what degree. Data collection is a middle step of scientific reasoning. Conclusions made when comparing data to background information is the end goal.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2552602]I have a question to the wannabe gang of nurses and Satan spawns here:
How does it feel to be called out regarding your 0 knowledge about quantum biology?
I noticed a certain amount of silence after my posts about it.
Are you clueless, or are you just clueless nobodies with absolute no balls?[/QUOTE]Basically you're constantly throwing random arguments to flood the thread and I don't have the time or the will to read all of them. And you never answered the real question, actually you're constantly dodging it: where does your 8 % figure comes from, why is it never related to your sources and why is it so different from all the figures from the real agencies: around 1 death for one million of injections.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2552689]I'm NOT against vaccinations and I'm vaxxed against the 'normal' things like Polio, Smallpox and Measles.
There are however thoroughly tested vaccines, unlike the EUA (Emergency Use Authorisation.) Covid "vaccines" which have barely been tested.
Polio, Smallpox and Measles are serious diseases, however Covid19 is mostly no problem for people around my (young) age and has a 0,15% Infectious Mortality Rate for people under 70, so why should I get vaxxed with some experimental drug? To make Big Pharma companies richer? So that corrupt politicians can please their Big Pharma lobbyists?[/QUOTE]Yeah, I thought so. Just checking. Thanks for clarifying!
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2552651]I am 44, will be 45 soon; I was 38 six years ago, I will be 50 in 6 years. Age is THE most predictable, forecast-able number. I was not celebrating 6 years ago nor will I be despondent in 6; but your posts are littered with references to your age. Not particularly an accomplishment that you worked hard to achieve. And for someone who lectures profusely about race and other woke ideas, you exhibit a generous amount of ageism. It would behoove you to reflect on it. Ageism is a much bigger blight in today's corporate, workplace America than race is and any number of 55+ crowd can tell you that from personal experiences.
As for accumulating wealth. The toughest part of doing so is showing the requisite financial discipline, in addition to obviously earning sufficient amounts annually. It is meaningless to claim that one can get to 7 or 8 figures if only one did x, why, and z. When it is exactly those x, y, z that are tough to pull off. The median 401 K balances are much less than $100 K for every age bracket and keep in mind many people don't even have a 401 K or barely fund it. Warren Buffett is not the smartest guy in the world, far from it, it is even possible that there are dozens of super sharp 20 something analysts at elite hedge funds that have more raw IQ horsepower than Buffett does, but none of them will ever get to his wealth level 60 years from now.[/QUOTE]If I came across as bragging about my age, that was never my intent. 38 means healthy but in decline and old enough to be the fathers of girls you could legally fuck. But I do enjoy being in a position of "older peer" by the younger generation while also seasoned enough to be taken seriously by older ones.
But perhaps I stated some realities that a 25 year old would less likely be attracted to a 50 year old than a 38 year old. Likewise, I wouldn't be offended if someone said that 25 year olds would more likely be attracted to 31 year olds than 38 year olds nearing 40. I like my age but wouldn't mind being younger as to have a better shot of banging nonpro 25 year olds. #Realites.
But to protest your assertion describing me with the tendencies of the "woke, justice warrior" trope, let me clarify my position on the social justice warrior spectrum. It's my belief that within specific societies, some races enjoy higher perceived social value than others, unearned social value tends to lead to some tangible benefits, some races also shoot themselves in the foot by scapegoating injustices too much, some injustices are real, racist jokes are funny, activists are often annoying as fuck, activists are sometimes needed for progress, the average Muslim does not support terrorism, Islam is still one of the dumber world religions, Old people are some of the most valuable members of society, but I will keep using terms like Boomer lightheartedly, and regarding your objections to that term, "Fuck your feelings".
I disagree that the blueprint to 7 figures is meaningless because x, y, z is "tough" to pull off. Tough is subjective. In my subjective view, not purchasing a half million dollar home, not buying the brand new $70 K car, not opting for the Marriott when an Ibis (or a large rental car) is all I need, those are easy decisions for me. I understand that many people make different choices but I have a hard time personally understanding how those decisions are "tough". As a westerner myself, I don't think most westerners know what tough really is.
But instead of just saying that is tough, perhaps most people are actually just bad at math and have never mapped out their finances calculating the power of power of compound interest. I bet if retirement planning was a mandatory high school course, the median net worth would be orders of magnitude higher.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2552502]Funny you write about "real facts" yet you never post anything else than your ramblings without anything to back them up.
It was never a matter of discussion if they speak French in the Romandie. Again you change the subject since you have zero facts behind your "opinions."
After claiming for years that you were not speeding in Switzerland, you yourself said that you were speeding, you got several fines in the mail that you just ignored. Then you wondered when once you got pulled over by the police. The links show to anybody who cares about facts in this situation that: the Swiss law holds the owner of the car responsible for fines, that this was litigated in Swiss Federal Court and even more so that several other countries as well hold the owner of the car responsible for fines (unless the owner credibly identifies the driver), that a similar law in Netherlands was litigated up to the European Court of Human Rights.
Now you start rambling how you know lawyers. Funny that you didn't use any of these lawyers when you claim that your human rights are violated. Maybe these lawyers told you something about credibility. You know, when somebody's first five claims are proven wrong, nobody believes any other claim.[/QUOTE]Swiss administration don't let you give a call, I had to insult them for 2 days to get only one, when I disappeared like in China, but you can't know when you never experienced. At least, I was there, in Aarau, then Zurich police prison, then Meylin, don't they exist? Same like Gran San Bernardino to climb turning legs.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2552635]Is France a religious country?[/QUOTE]Many French believe in religion, not all being catholic, I think I m more close to devil.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2552689]P.S. As a matter of fact, this is exactly what Geert vanden Bossche is warning for: vaccinated (but not necessarily symptomatic) people are shedding a more dangerous and mutated virus. Watch his videos and learn![/QUOTE]And why doesn't it happen with Smallpox, polio, measles? Any arguments?
[QUOTE=Pistons;2552683]I But I already wrote it twice here that France is a catholic country.
Calling France is a religious country means slightly something else. That was not my words. But the society in France and its laws are highly shaped Catholicism. And so they still are a catholic country.[/QUOTE]It was true one century ago. Not anymore. France is not Poland.
So the risk from dying from a general anasthetic is about 8 x larger. Wow. And BTW: it is mostly women younger 50 years.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2552696]Basically you're constantly throwing random arguments to flood the thread and I don't have the time or the will to read all of them. And you never answered the real question, actually you're constantly dodging it: where does your 8 % figure comes from, why is it never related to your sources and why is it so different from all the figures from the real agencies: around 1 death for one million of injections.[/QUOTE]
Simple:
* clubs will be obligated to check if you have been vaxxed, so that you cannot infect anybody else.
otherwise:
* you will not be given entrance..
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2552689]Covid19 is mostly no problem for people around my (young) age and has a 0,15% Infectious Mortality Rate for people under 70, so why should I get vaxxed with some experimental drug? [/QUOTE]
People who do not have backgrounds in molecular biology do not know that CRISPR was a term that was around before its association with gene editing.
Prior to 2010, CRISPR was a molecular biology term used to describe genetic elements and processes involved in a bacteria's immune system against viruses. Only in the last several years did the use of the term CRISPR shift to refer to gene editing and become associated with clinical human therapies.
Many medical doctors today still have yet to take the time to simply google CRISPR gene editing because it still has yet to gain federal approval for therapeutic use. Therapies for sickle cell and thalassemias are still in clinical trials.
With all of the continuing education required to keep up with latest protocols, pharmaceuticals, interventions, billing, and legalities, most actively practicing clinicians would find little benefit in educating themselves in something that was so far down the pipeline.
At this current stage, knowledge about CRISPR has more use for me in financial investment than actual professional practice.
The knowledge deficit in didactic education will inevitably change and it is likely that medical students today are already getting some introductory education on the subject.
One day CRISPR will be incorporated in medical practice, likely outpatient first. Until then, I'll just throw more money into ARK Invest's ARK Genomics ETF.
[QUOTE=Kuni042;2552738]So the risk from dying from a general anasthetic is about 8 x larger. Wow. And BTW: it is mostly women younger 50 years.[/QUOTE]Higher Estrogen levels are already a risk factor for coagulation, possibly / likely also for CSVT. Women taking oral contraceptives or on menopause hormone replacement brings even more risk to that demographic. Considering that, any vaccination process stimulates the immune response which only increases coagulation events in the body, the combinatory effects of higher estrogen and increased inflammation in immune response can very well be deemed a contraindication.
But then again, the 1 per million CSVT incidence is still much less than the 4-5 per million seen in the general population.
I think I broke Piston's heart when I told him that I didn't want to be his friend in real life. Poor baby. He'll find a friend one day.
Life is short guys. Surround yourselves with people who bring value to the table.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2552727]Many French believe in religion, not all being catholic, I think I m more close to devil.[/QUOTE]Apparently.
29% are atheist.
34% non-religious.
37% religious.
54% of the religious identify as Catholic. So at best what, 20% Catholic?
[URL]https://sidmennt.is/wp-content/uploads/Gallup-International-um-tr%C3%BA-og-tr%C3%BAleysi-2012.pdf[/URL]
[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2552687]How many people worldwide are using the Internet, 4 billion or more? How many are using ISG, on average around 700? Who are these "users"? One bot who is managing 99% of the nicknames, a few digital cops and me?
I guess Admin one, two and four doing a very important job here. But Admin three is obviously a bit overworked, stressed or something. Once a post is to "blunted" and next time he is not able to recognize a "point". Must be hidden long Covid.
Stay healthy and thankful for every single word.[/QUOTE]I have the impression that the admins actually purposefully intended for this thread to be a a free for all. The name of the thread suggests so much. The other threads remain cordial and on-topic. He even actively moves COVID posts from other threads over here when they garner a string of replies. I think it's a good way to lighten his moderation load while letting people rag on each other. Not much mongering to talk about anyway.
Good news to everyone! I just tested positive for antibodies against Covid-19!
As I've already written; this pathetic virus only kills the old, weak and extremely unlucky.
I'm not that old, never been weak and not unlucky enough to even get a fever or cough from the China flu.
Fuck vaccines, my body is a machine!
I guess running 10 km four times a week pays off.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2552724]If I came across as bragging about my age, that was never my intent. 38 means healthy but in decline and old enough to be the fathers of girls you could legally fuck. But I do enjoy being in a position of "older peer" by the younger generation while also seasoned enough to be taken seriously by older ones.
But perhaps I stated some realities that a 25 year old would less likely be attracted to a 50 year old than a 38 year old. Likewise, I wouldn't be offended if someone said that 25 year olds would more likely be attracted to 31 year olds than 38 year olds nearing 40. I like my age but wouldn't mind being younger as to have a better shot of banging nonpro 25 year olds. #Realites.
But to protest your assertion describing me with the tendencies of the "woke, justice warrior" trope, let me clarify my position on the social justice warrior spectrum. It's my belief that within specific societies, some races enjoy higher perceived social value than others, unearned social value tends to lead to some tangible benefits, some races also shoot themselves in the foot by scapegoating injustices too much, some injustices are real, racist jokes are funny, activists are often annoying as fuck, activists are sometimes needed for progress, the average Muslim does not support terrorism, Islam is still one of the dumber world religions, Old people are some of the most valuable members of society, but I will keep using terms like Boomer lightheartedly, and regarding your objections to that term, "Fuck your feelings"..[/QUOTE]The difficult part is living within means, resisting the temptation to spend and splurge, delaying gratification, etc. Those traits are universally difficult to achieve and sustain for long periods. It is not about a specific amount such as a million. It is about accumulating an amount of wealth that puts you in the top 1%, or even 5% of that location, wherever that may be. To rise above the median in any location, one has to either achieve an income level a couple of standard deviations from the mean or / and develop all those other values.
[QUOTE=Kuni042;2552739]Simple:
* clubs will be obligated to check if you have been vaxxed, so that you cannot infect anybody else.
otherwise:
* you will not be given entrance..[/QUOTE]Why? Because older mongers have more money than the younger ones. And the clubs will cater to that old money before the young turks; therefore the clubs will demand vaxx certification at the door. Or gene therapy or whatever you want to call it.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2552725]Swiss administration don't let you give a call, I had to insult them for 2 days to get only one, when I disappeared like in China, but you can't know when you never experienced. At least, I was there, in Aarau, then Zurich police prison, then Meylin, don't they exist? Same like Gran San Bernardino to climb turning legs.[/QUOTE]This coming from somebody claiming he is fitter than Peter Sagan. Anything you say is very believable.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2552692]Another question is if the elderly residents became symptomatic and to what degree. Data collection is a middle step of scientific reasoning. Conclusions made when comparing data to background information is the end goal.[/QUOTE]CDC published some numbers. [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html[/URL].
75 million fully vaccinated, 5814 covid cases, less than 396 hospitalized, 74 died. They caution that breakthrough cases are an undercount, I understand that this is just a snapshot right now.
For me the most relevant numbers are people hospitalized and deaths, less likely to have an undercount there. Considering as well that the fully vaccinated people are older than the average population to me this looks encouraging.
[QUOTE=Clodius1;2552796]Why? Because older mongers have more money than the younger ones. And the clubs will cater to that old money before the young turks; therefore the clubs will demand vaxx certification at the door. Or gene therapy or whatever you want to call it.[/QUOTE]Not saying you're wrong. Just entertaining a counter hypothesis. The clubs don't directly benefit if the girls make more money from the mongers. So income for the club is received from entries and alcohol sales. If the club had to choose, which demographic brings in more money? A club like Samya where the clientele is younger and generates more alcohol revenue, they would want every 30-45 year old to be able to enter. Contrast that to GoldenTime where the crowd is a bit older and not there to party. The club would want all of the polar bears to return and may prioritize safety.
[QUOTE=Kuni042;2552739]Simple:
* clubs will be obligated to check if you have been vaxxed, so that you cannot infect anybody else.
otherwise:
* you will not be given entrance..[/QUOTE]A bigger push will come from airlines unless people are OK to show a recent PCR test before every flight.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2552689]I'm NOT against vaccinations and I'm vaxxed against the 'normal' things like Polio, Smallpox and Measles.
There are however thoroughly tested vaccines, unlike the EUA (Emergency Use Authorisation.) Covid "vaccines" which have barely been tested.
Polio, Smallpox and Measles are serious diseases, however Covid19 is mostly no problem for people around my (young) age and has a 0,15% Infectious Mortality Rate for people under 70, so why should I get vaxxed with some experimental drug? To make Big Pharma companies richer? So that corrupt politicians can please their Big Pharma lobbyists?[/QUOTE]That is a valid point. Risk-reward is different for older people. According to [URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-56665396[/URL] ; I think they look only at AZ risk there, I couldn't be bothered to check the numbers.
Chance in a million of:
Serious harm from vaccine side effects: 11 in a million for 25 year old, 4 in a million for 55 year old.
Dying with coronavirus: 23 in a million for 25 year old, 800 in a million for 55 year old.
I think part of the population will be pushed towards vaccination because of easier access to international travel, concerts, sport events. Big Pharma will get richer anyway.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2552758]Apparently.
29% are atheist.
34% non-religious.
37% religious.
54% of the religious identify as Catholic. So at best what, 20% Catholic?
[URL]https://sidmennt.is/wp-content/uploads/Gallup-International-um-tr%C3%BA-og-tr%C3%BAleysi-2012.pdf[/URL][/QUOTE]Catholic or not, I am not sure how to measure it. For me it would be the degree in which the catholic church has influence on every day life. How are the divorce laws, women reproductive rights, LGBT rights, political influence of the church. For me as an outsider France seems to be on the progressive side.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2552776]Good news to everyone! I just tested positive for antibodies against Covid-19!
As I've already written; this pathetic virus only kills the old, weak and extremely unlucky.
I'm not that old, never been weak and not unlucky enough to even get a fever or cough from the China flu.
Fuck vaccines, my body is a machine!
I guess running 10 km four times a week pays off.[/QUOTE]It is not that simple even you have antibodies you will need to get vaccinated just because nobody knows again which variant you are protected, obviously being active is the second big driver with the age against the covid.
[QUOTE=Kuni042;2552739]Simple:
* clubs will be obligated to check if you have been vaxxed, so that you cannot infect anybody else.
otherwise:
* you will not be given entrance..[/QUOTE]What a nice statement, the vaccines protect 90% against the risks of dying from covid (severe forms) not from getting mild or moderate covid, second even vaccinated you can transmit the disease, we all have to see what will come out from the crisis in India and Brazil, how efficient the vaccines are against the new variants. Yesterday Israel signed a new contract with Pfister which means at least for me that the things are not so simple like " many are vaccinated, herd immunity let us go back to the life of 2019, visit the FKK and fuck the girls".
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2552689]1) Hospitals in Germany never got close to being overwhelmed.
2) The media and politicians mark "positively tested" people are "infected" even though they have no symptoms, and they use this as a scaremongering basis for their "measures. " You can't move the goalposts by now suggesting that 'it's no big deal if they don't display the symptoms. ' If it's no big deal then why have we people quarantining asymptomatic yet "PCR positive" people for 2 weeks since January last year? So are you now finally admitting that Covid19 is a big hoax?
P.S. As a matter of fact, this is exactly what Geert vanden Bossche is warning for: vaccinated (but not necessarily symptomatic) people are shedding a more dangerous and mutated virus. Watch his videos and learn![/QUOTE]1) Yes, because they took action (see lockdown!) to avoid that in the first place. 2) If people do not develop the disease and the vulnerable people are protected, there would be no need for lockdowns. Do you honestly think governments like imposing lockdowns? If you are a professional person with even a small amount of common sense, then you would not think this is something governments would want to do.
I don't need to learn about mutations and viruses as I've been working in the bio-medical field for almost 16 years. Mutations arise spontaneously in viruses and those that give a significant advantage to the virus replication and / or spreading will be selected and will generate virus variants that may become more or less deadly. The Spanish flu virus that killed over 50 millions people in 1917-18 has become a common flu that it is no longer deadly but still very highly contagious. The more you let the virus replicate, the more likely it would be for various virus variants to arise. This is why it is important to stop the spread (and therefore the replication) of the virus.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2552728]And why doesn't it happen with Smallpox, polio, measles? Any arguments?[/QUOTE]Because those are not (fast-mutating) Corona viruses! Jesus man, are you Covidiots really that dumb and brainwashed?
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2552728]And why doesn't it happen with Smallpox, polio, measles? Any arguments?[/QUOTE]Because those are not fast-mutating Corona viruses! Are you Covidiots and lockdown-fanboys really that scared, dumb and brainwashed?
P.S. I hope that many FKK clubs will do this to all those Covidiots if this madness ever comes to an end, UK Labour leader kicked out of pub:
[URL]https://twitter.com/StephenSumner15/status/1384118300154634251[/URL]
LOL!
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2552747]I think I broke Piston's heart when I told him that I didn't want to be his friend in real life. Poor baby. He'll find a friend one day.
Life is short guys. Surround yourselves with people who bring value to the table.[/QUOTE]Nope, you never told me. You wrote something like that on the internet after you had one of your normal psycho emo kid events.
But I believe you are right. Bringing value to the table in terms of fictional lies regarding FKK girls with deep emotions towards you is probably what you need. And not analytical people who bought their apartments after scoring big on penny stocks and who laughs at your knowledge regarding science.
Crispr stocks are a good idea long term after they have brought in extra money through dousins of rounds of share increases. LOL. But human trials are far away, and that is still years away from any of them making any good cashflow. But when you invest, make sure to do good research regarding the CEO and his or her track record. Listed companies probably have over 50% criminal scammers as CEOs. Just like wannabe doctors in that regard in terms of lying about their knowledge.
BigB: I now have the screenshots. Will fix it later. As I said, the paywall app had some annoying features I couldn't screenshot.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2552904]Because those are not (fast-mutating) Corona viruses! Jesus man, are you Covidiots really that dumb and brainwashed?[/QUOTE]How much is the cost of entry in your cult?
Is lobotomy mandatory?
Anyway, here is the proof of the total ineffectiveness of this evil big pharma vaccine against covid 19 :
[URL]https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2101765[/URL]
Try to find some new arguments on Facebook / YouTube / darknet to prove it wrong.
Some tips: Deep state, Bill gates, big pharma, international jewry, great reset.
How does it feel to live in a world where facts constantly prove you wrong but still you're convinced of your ultimate superiority?
I really hope that every sex club of this world will enforce the 'mandatory vaccination' policy so 99,5 % of the paranoid morons of this thread will run to the doc to get their shots because they are desperate to get laid.
Maybe the few left behind will turn totally psycho and join a survivalist trumpist group in Montana and will shoot each other in the head while they were trying to clean their AR15 during the preparation of the upcoming fight against the evil commies foreseen in Red Dawn.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2552790]The difficult part is living within means, resisting the temptation to spend and splurge, delaying gratification, etc. Those traits are universally difficult to achieve and sustain for long periods. It is not about a specific amount such as a million. It is about accumulating an amount of wealth that puts you in the top 1%, or even 5% of that location, wherever that may be. To rise above the median in any location, one has to either achieve an income level a couple of standard deviations from the mean or / and develop all those other values.[/QUOTE]I agree that 1 million is an arbitrary number. 7 digits net worth just means that you are certainly out of poverty, regardless of family size. And yes, disciplined financial habits is certainly a problem for the average American.
But this string of post started with my statement that, compared to other nations, America is still a relatively easier place for an immigrant to come over and go from 0 digits to 7 figures in only half of a life time. As for financial discipline, that's more of a first world problem for established Americans and not so much for immigrants looking to build a new life.
That's why the "keeping up with the Jones" angle, median averages, income percentiles, and other Western concerns and habits are not all that pertinent to the convo.
While not all immigrants from all cultures share the same habits, some are more materialistic than others, but more or less, poor first generation people are not looking into huge houses, Peleton bikes, expensive private schools and summers in the Cape. You will find many living in multigenerational households buying, used cars, or driving rather than flying to vacation destinations. Also, credit card debt, another American dirty habit, is hardly an issue. Without cultural first world bad habits, in some ways, success is easier with the immigrant mindset.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2552809]This coming from somebody claiming he is fitter than Peter Sagan. Anything you say is very believable.[/QUOTE]You just don't know about Swiss administration behavior, when I know I m much less heavy than Sagan, more adapted for steep climbing, I don't say for Poggio or Huy, you should know if you really saw me at Globe. If I saw you, I would be able to give you your height and weight, like when I see a steep, I'm able to say how many %. My eyes and brain are used to and when nearly 20% and more, then I switch off brain and move my deep flesh inside of me. Good sensation.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2552952]How much is the cost of entry in your cult?
Is lobotomy mandatory?
Anyway, here is the proof of the total ineffectiveness of this evil big pharma vaccine against covid 19 :
[URL]https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2101765[/URL]
Try to find some new arguments on Facebook / YouTube / darknet to prove it wrong.
Some tips: Deep state, Bill gates, big pharma, international jewry, great reset.
How does it feel to live in a world where facts constantly prove you wrong but still you're convinced of your ultimate superiority?
I really hope that every sex club of this world will enforce the 'mandatory vaccination' policy so 99,5 % of the paranoid morons of this thread will run to the doc to get their shots because they are desperate to get laid.
Maybe the few left behind will turn totally psycho and join a survivalist trumpist group in Montana and will shoot each other in the head while they were trying to clean their AR15 during the preparation of the upcoming fight against the evil commies foreseen in Red Dawn.[/QUOTE]Actually HammerTime is right and you are wrong. Again because you know zip zero about quantum biology! Read this:
[URL]https://www.livescience.com/amp/quantum-physics-dna-mutations.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2552765]I have the impression that the admins actually purposefully intended for this thread to be a a free for all. The name of the thread suggests so much. The other threads remain cordial and on-topic. He even actively moves COVID posts from other threads over here when they garner a string of replies. I think it's a good way to lighten his moderation load while letting people rag on each other. Not much mongering to talk about anyway.[/QUOTE]This is exactly it. The first one was "Stupid Shit in Medellin" then they grew from there, "Stupid Shit in Kiev," "Rants and Stupid Shit in New Dehli" and the list goes on. LOL.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2552776]Good news to everyone! I just tested positive for antibodies against Covid-19!
As I've already written; this pathetic virus only kills the old, weak and extremely unlucky.
I'm not that old, never been weak and not unlucky enough to even get a fever or cough from the China flu.
Fuck vaccines, my body is a machine!
I guess running 10 km four times a week pays off.[/QUOTE]Of course. Unless you are an overweight pot smoking alcoholic, covid isn't really that scary if you get enough vitamin d, fresh air and have good blood circulation. Also eating onion and taking vitamin be 3,6,9,12 helps.
[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/czech-republic-obesity-is-big-factor-in-fight-against-covid-19/a-57188697[/URL]
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2552830]CDC published some numbers. [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html[/URL].
75 million fully vaccinated, 5814 covid cases, less than 396 hospitalized, 74 died. They caution that breakthrough cases are an undercount, I understand that this is just a snapshot right now.
For me the most relevant numbers are people hospitalized and deaths, less likely to have an undercount there. Considering as well that the fully vaccinated people are older than the average population to me this looks encouraging.[/QUOTE]Definitely good number so far for sure. And yeah, hospitalized is the best data, even better than death data. Unfortunately, hospitalization data is also the most scarce. Many developed nations still do not track their hospitalization data and many more still do not do it electronically. But for sure, vaccinations have been correlated with improved population level outcomes.
That being said, you know bad news always gets more attention than good news. Many people are just wired with negative bias, being drawn to bad news like moths to a flame. I remember something about negative bias being correlated with higher activity in the fear centers of the brain's amygdala. Evolutionarily, high activity in these areas of the amygdala are linked to people with heightened fear responses manifesting in skiddish people, Debbie Downers, people who triple lock their doors, basically people who act like prey animals when they hear someone stepping on a stick in the woods.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2552952]I really hope that every sex club of this world will enforce the 'mandatory vaccination' policy so 99,5 % of the paranoid morons of this thread will run to the doc to get their shots because they are desperate to get laid.[/QUOTE]Even then, they will still be bumbling on about some bullshit as they're fucking a hooker in the asshole.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2552899]The more you let the virus replicate, the more likely it would be for various virus variants to arise. This is why it is important to stop the spread (and therefore the replication) of the virus.[/QUOTE]True. But that is the lesser reason for mutations to happen.
The majority reason is through proton tunneling. Most likely caused by the insertion of alternate RNA / DNA at a certain proximity. In other words, vaccines and other sorts of cock tail effects.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2553058]Actually HammerTime is right and you are wrong. Again because you know zip zero about quantum biology! Read this:
[URL]https://www.livescience.com/amp/quantum-physics-dna-mutations.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Just like you, I know nothing about it.
Unlike you, I have enough logic to realize that it has nothing to do with the assumed ineffiency of the vaccine which is proved wrong by the different studies and the recent outcomes in Israel or UK. And once again you're trying to flood the thread under some unrelated information that you don't even understand. Are you able to keep your point and to stay focused sometimes?
Stert all over from the beginning, even you can do that. Basic experimental situation: one treatment group, one control group. Similar characteristics. Big enough. You just observe what happens to the control group. Most of the time it works rather well.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2553013]You just don't know about Swiss administration behavior, when I know I m much less heavy than Sagan, more adapted for steep climbing, I don't say for Poggio or Huy, you should know if you really saw me at Globe. If I saw you, I would be able to give you your height and weight, like when I see a steep, I'm able to say how many %. My eyes and brain are used to and when nearly 20% and more, then I switch off brain and move my deep flesh inside of me. Good sensation.[/QUOTE]When you claim so many ridiculous things, nothing you say has credibility.
I wouldn't brag that you are 50 kg when your FTP is only 150 W. Having no upper body strength must make it difficult, who opens your pickle jars?
I have no doubt that your brain is switched off all the time.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2553058]Actually HammerTime is right and you are wrong. [/QUOTE]Well, HT said that he has the normal vaccines. HT is only against the new vaccines, while you believe that MMR vaccine is evil too.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2552952]I really hope that every sex club of this world will enforce the 'mandatory vaccination' policy so 99,5 % of the paranoid morons of this thread will run to the doc to get their shots because they are desperate to get laid. [/QUOTE]You will be standing outside in the rain in front of a closed FKK club, with 2 needles in your arm and your vaxxing app on your phone. LOL!
Listen to the Australian Health Minister: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUd_jRTRtRY[/URL].
[QUOTE] ...vaccination alone is no guarantee that you can open up...[/QUOTE][QUOTE]...if the whole country were vaccinated, you couldn't just open the borders." [/QUOTE]Germany has a similar point of view, and that's why MerKILL is today trying to pass a law that would enable the national government to override local state governments when it comes to imposing lockdowns and curfews. If this will be over by fall 2021 once the "vaccines" have been rolled out, then why so urgently and desperately change the law?
Only the dumb run to the doctor's office to get "the jab," because the "jab" is an experimental and poorly researched chemical cocktail that will NOT get you anywhere.
P.S. Here was Fauci already saying more or less the same in February:
[URL]https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210223/fauc--says-americans-may-need-to-wear-masks-through-2022[/URL]
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2552952]How does it feel to live in a world where facts constantly prove you wrong but still you're convinced of your ultimate superiority?[/QUOTE]I sense a strong inferiority complex that would be typical for some CCP troll with a tiny dick pretending to be a 'Murse' or medical "expert," and who spends hundreds of hours on a hooker forum pretending to be 'George Clooney' in desperate need of some kind of validation. Perhaps the CCP 'George Clooney' and the 'James Bond' Frenchman can share the costs for a good therapist together? LOL!
[QUOTE=Kuni042;2552739]Simple:
* clubs will be obligated to check if you have been vaxxed, so that you cannot infect anybody else.
otherwise:
* you will not be given entrance..[/QUOTE]Doubtful in Germany given how those practices would pretty much be fascism.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2553123]Well, HT said that he has the normal vaccines. HT is only against the new vaccines, while you believe that MMR vaccine is evil too.[/QUOTE]And I linked to a study that showed why. When it comes to the general autism topic, I am not at all worried about that relation to MMR.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2553113]Just like you, I know nothing about it.
Unlike you, I have enough logic to realize that it has nothing to do with the assumed ineffiency of the vaccine which is proved wrong by the different studies and the recent outcomes in Israel or UK. And once again you're trying to flood the thread under some unrelated information that you don't even understand. Are you able to keep your point and to stay focused sometimes?[/QUOTE]I never wrote that it had anything to do with the inefficiency. Clearly it related to side effects. And these quantum events are all random, so they can happen today, or in 20 years.
And I do know quite a bit regarding quantum physics.
Like the study shows, this is the main reason for mutations. Quantum physics / biology is also the main field one has to know in order to call themselves an expert. Everything else that we can observe is merely a projection of randomized events in the quantum world.
So basically here you admit to knowing nothing at all. Thank you!
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2553123]Well, HT said that he has the normal vaccines. HT is only against the new vaccines, while you believe that MMR vaccine is evil too.[/QUOTE]Wrong, and stop gaslighting!
I said I'm against "Barely tested" vaccines!
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2552689]I'm NOT against vaccinations and I'm vaxxed against the 'normal' things like Polio, Smallpox and Measles.
There are however thoroughly tested vaccines, unlike the EUA (Emergency Use Authorisation.) Covid "vaccines" which have barely been tested.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2553123]Well, HT said that he has the normal vaccines. HT is only against the new vaccines, while you believe that MMR vaccine is evil too.[/QUOTE]Yeah, as far as I can tell, HT's posts are just motivated by socio-cultural-political leanings. But I can't recall him ever taking it beyond that. At least he has conviction in his beliefs even if his source material is selective or skewed. If with mixed company at a pub, I'm guessing he would be able to at least jump into the topic of conversation rather than injecting some off the wall bullshit scaring off the socially well-adjusted people.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2552905]Because those are not fast-mutating Corona viruses! Are you Covidiots and lockdown-fanboys really that scared, dumb and brainwashed?
P.S. I hope that many FKK clubs will do this to all those Covidiots if this madness ever comes to an end, UK Labour leader kicked out of pub:
[URL]https://twitter.com/StephenSumner15/status/1384118300154634251[/URL]
LOL![/QUOTE]Mutation rates expressed in 10 (-3) nucleotide substitution per site per year:
SARS CoV-2 : 0. 8 to 2. 38.
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC446188/[/URL]
Flu A: 1.43 to 11.62.
[URL]https://jvi.asm.org/content/89/21/10993[/URL]
Measles: 3.9 to 7.8.
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2818276/[/URL]
Polio: 10+.
[URL] https://academic.oup.com/ve/article/6/2/veaa040/5841225[/URL]
People spend lifetimes researching and experimenting on special topics in theoretical sciences but a socially awkward dude with a bullshit degree they give to cheerleaders and weather girls apparently has mastered quantum physics and quantum biology by watching YouTube videos.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2553197]Wrong, and stop gaslighting!
I said I'm against "Barely tested" vaccines![/QUOTE]Don't get your panties in a bunch, that's what I meant with new vaccines. You disagree with them because there are no long term studies.
At least short term effectiveness and safety should have been proven by the numbers in US, UK, Israel.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2553223]a bullshit degree they give to cheerleaders and weather girls...[/QUOTE]Hey, Yssa in Globe had a communications degree. Nice big natural tits, good performance in the first months but then got lazy. She wanted to have a business organizing weddings, I guess she didn't make much money with that in 2020 and 2021.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2553117]When you claim so many ridiculous things, nothing you say has credibility.
I wouldn't brag that you are 50 kg when your FTP is only 150 W. Having no upper body strength must make it difficult, who opens your pickle jars?
I have no doubt that your brain is switched off all the time.[/QUOTE]Let's try climbing, when I climb topless, even up to 2700 meters high, to be less heavy, to perform better. I proposed you and your French bald friend so often, but no answer, when should be easier with your carbon light climbing alone. I remember Cancellara and his engine on bicycle, when my engine is my passion and strength, and no bullshit in Zoncolan or Mortirolo or Loze, you are able or not.
No need to wait 50 years for the shit to hit the fan. Lots of theories and debates about the universe. Those with the Great Barrington "Declaration" living in their heads may get the answer as the "most vulnerable" are vaccinated and staff attending to them acquire immunity through "natural infection" ("focused protection ") The talented Iranian woman with a degree in electrical engineering and "contribution" to cancer research referenced on this thread has posted her thesis on mutations. Let's keep an eye on her work, but not promote her theory as fact yet.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2553229]Don't get your panties in a bunch, that's what I meant with new vaccines. You disagree with them because there are no long term studies.
At least short term effectiveness and safety should have been proven by the numbers in US, UK, Israel.[/QUOTE]Nothing has been proven for the long term in the US, UK and Israel.
Let's see in a few years how many people develop blood clotting, cancer, and all sorts of auto-immune diseases.
That's why it usually takes 8-10 years to develop a vaccine, Sherlock! No matter how much money you throw at the problem: you can't 'buy' time and take shortcuts!
If it means I can't visit an FKK for the next 2 years? So what, I don't care, so far I've survived 1 year without it, and I can handle a couple more! I'm resourceful, I still have plenty of good years ahead of me, and I'll find other alternatives! Let the desperate, fat, old, dumb-fuck-sex-tourists be the Guinee pigs! If they die in a few years or develop serious side-effects, then I know I've made the right choice! LOL!
[QUOTE=Pistons;2553187]So basically here you admit to knowing nothing at all. Thank you![/QUOTE]Yes exactly like you, I know nothing at all about quantum biology. But unlike you I have the honesty to admit it. Patching up different theories you don't understand at all and writing about it in your right wing paranoid survivalist webzine doesn't make you an expert. There is strictly no logic in 99% of what you write, mathematics must have been tough for you in high school. Were you the kind of guy to say that Pythagoras was right but Thales was wrong and you could prove it? How can you follow a lesson of advanced biology if you are unable to make easy deductions and you are constantly losing focus? Using two sources that contradict each other would alert even a 5 yo. You don't get it?
By the way, I'm still waiting for your screenshots, it has been one month. Too difficult for you? If you don't know how to do, three possibilities.
1 - on your cum covered keyboard, use Alt gr+printScreen. Or find an app which captures the screen.
2 - if it doesn't work, use the browser of your phone, there are shortcuts to take a snapshot of the screen.
3 - if it still doesn't work, take a picture of your computer screen with your phone. This method has a 100 % success rate.
And also, instead of watching youTube videos you can't understand, get back from the start and read "experimental science for dummies". First chapter: how to set up a simple yet effective experiment. One control group, one treatment group.
As for HammerThor, he has been traumatized when he saw Red Dawn and Rambo 3 on the tv and he still thinks that the Spetnaz are ready to invade his country. 80 years ago, he would have been against antibiotics (you let alien creatures enter your body blablabla my ass). 140 years ago he would have sued Pasteur.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2553181]Doubtful in Germany given how those practices would pretty much be fascism.[/QUOTE]Then fascism started already in Baden Württemberg.
[URL]https://www.suedkurier.de/baden-wuerttemberg/die-ersten-lockerungen-fuer-geimpfte-das-soll-ab-montag-im-suedwesten-bei-einreise-und-quarantaene-gelten;art417930[/URL], 10783510.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2553002]While not all immigrants from all cultures share the same habits, some are more materialistic than others, but more or less, poor first generation people are not looking into huge houses, Peleton bikes, expensive private schools and summers in the Cape. You will find many living in multigenerational households buying, used cars, or driving rather than flying to vacation destinations. Also, credit card debt, another American dirty habit, is hardly an issue. Without cultural first world bad habits, in some ways, success is easier with the immigrant mindset.[/QUOTE]These two links suggest that culture affects savings habits for first and second-generation immigrants in USA, Germany and UK:
[URL]https://www.corporatemonkeycpa.com/2018/03/31/immigrants-save-like-superheroes[/URL]
[URL]https://www.wiwi.uni-frankfurt.de/profs/fuchs/staff/fuchs/paper/CultureSaving_March2019.pdf[/URL]
However, I would add that the year the immigrant left their home country also matters. Older generations lived through civil war, hyperinflation, or some other form of economic instability. So they already have it in them to live without first-world comforts (not owning shoes as a child, sleeping in the same bed with 3-5 siblings). More recent immigrants from the same culture would not have faced those same financial hardships. For instance, South Korea's economic fortunes began to change following the 1988 Olympics. Pre-1988, Korea was a nation of savers. And anybody who immigrated to the West during this period probably would have inherited those same saving habits. By 1996, Korea had joined OECD. By 2011 and Korea had completely shed its reputation as being a saver country.
[QUOTE]Korean household debt reached 155 percent of disposable income in 2010, exceeding the 138 percent recorded in the United States at the outset of the subprime crisis, said Erik Lueth, an economist at Royal Bank of Scotland in Hong Kong.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-korea-economy-debt-idUSTRE77O4JU20110825..[/QUOTE]China's saving rate went from 39 percent in 2010 to 33 percent in 2019, despite GDP per capita doubling over the same period. So these younger, more "spoiled" Chinese born after 1990, if they were to immigrate to the West, I do not think they would be able to save (percentage-wise) what early waves of Chinese immigrants were able to save: [URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/less-savings-more-debt-how-chinese-manage-money-american-style-in-17-charts-11572427805[/URL].
[QUOTE]While previous generations were frugal savers, a product of their years growing up in a turbulent economy with a weak social safety net, the more than 330 million people born in China between 1990 and 2009 behave much more like Americans, spending avidly on gadgets, entertainment and travel.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/young-chinese-spend-like-americansand-take-on-worrisome-debt-11567093953?mod=article_inline.[/QUOTE]
So, a question to everyone here:
1. Do you believe in a God?
2. Do you believe in conspiracy theories?
You must choose one of these options, otherwise you are simply lying.
For those who make fun of YouTube, have you subscribed to the World Science Festival channel yet?
[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2553251]No need to wait 50 years for the shit to hit the fan. Lots of theories and debates about the universe. Those with the Great Barrington "Declaration" living in their heads may get the answer as the "most vulnerable" are vaccinated and staff attending to them acquire immunity through "natural infection" ("focused protection ") The talented Iranian woman with a degree in electrical engineering and "contribution" to cancer research referenced on this thread has posted her thesis on mutations. Let's keep an eye on her work, but not promote her theory as fact yet.[/QUOTE]Alternatively, let us not risk our lives on a premise that factual unintelligent individuals actually knows anything about life and the universe.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2553266]Yes exactly like you, I know nothing at all about quantum biology. But unlike you I have the honesty to admit it. [/QUOTE]Go back and reread my post, and you will see that I am the first one to admit that I do not know everything. But also, that neither do you nor the nurse.
In otherworldly, stop lying and misquoted! In communication, that is as close to a death sin as it gets! And a wannabe scientist should know this also! But I suppose taking the faulty side effect numbers into account, wannabe doctors never had morals anyway. This much is apparent!
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2553266]Yes exactly like you, I know nothing at all about quantum biology. But unlike you I have the honesty to admit it. [/QUOTE]In other words, stop lying and misquote me!
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2553247]Let's try climbing, when I climb topless, even up to 2700 meters high, to be less heavy, to perform better. I proposed you and your French bald friend so often, but no answer, when should be easier with your carbon light climbing alone. I remember Cancellara and his engine on bicycle, when my engine is my passion and strength, and no bullshit in Zoncolan or Mortirolo or Loze, you are able or not.[/QUOTE]Why don't you post your Strava files to show all your climbing exploits? You never answer that.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2553295]So, a question to everyone here:
1. Do you believe in a God?
2. Do you believe in conspiracy theories?
You must choose one of these options, otherwise you are simply lying.
For those who make fun of YouTube, have you subscribed to the World Science Festival channel yet?[/QUOTE]1. No.
2. No.
I actually get an orgasm every time I hear the word quantum.
Writing that I know quite a lot about it, is not the same as knowing everything.
What no one knows yet for example is the link between structures nearby, and what triggers these quantum events. Is it spin? Is it some field it resides in? Is it other bindings? Is there a certain "QR code" of linked molecules, DNA, proteins or something else?
[QUOTE=Pistons;2553304]I actually get an orgasm every time I hear the word quantum.
Writing that I know quite a lot about it, is not the same as knowing everything.[/QUOTE]You don't know shit about it, you think that covid19 can be treated with solarium, onion and vitamins. You also think that black people are more affected only because of the color of their skin, and that they are implementing reverse apartheid in South Africa. By the way, these last two ramblings smell a lot like racism. What other stupidities did you say? Ah yes, we are all controlled by an AI. You have no idea how an AI works and you probably never wrote 4 lines of functioning code in your life. There is an easy application used for teaching code to kids, Scratch. Maybe you could use it to understand simple concepts: causality, loops, conditions.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2553260]Nothing has been proven for the long term in the US, UK and Israel.
Let's see in a few years how many people develop blood clotting, cancer, and all sorts of auto-immune diseases.![/QUOTE]Let's see in a few years how many people still suffer from long covid, how many will be crippled for life?
[URL]https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-tragedy-of-the-post-covid-long-haulers-2020101521173[/URL]
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2553260]Nothing has been proven for the long term in the US, UK and Israel.
Let's see in a few years how many people develop blood clotting, cancer, and all sorts of auto-immune diseases.
That's why it usually takes 8-10 years to develop a vaccine, Sherlock! No matter how much money you throw at the problem: you can't 'buy' time and take shortcuts! [/QUOTE]Here's a bunch of articles explaining how a vaccine can be [B]safely[/B] developed in such a short time:
[URL]https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-did-we-develop-a-covid-19-vaccine-so-quickly[/URL]#Other-coronaviruses.
[URL]https://wellcome.org/news/quick-safe-covid-vaccine-development[/URL]
[URL]https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20201219/the-vaccine-was-fast-heres-how-to-make-it-faster[/URL]
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2553301]Why don't you post your Strava files to show all your climbing exploits? You never answer that.[/QUOTE]Because I prefer we climb together, when should be easier for you with your carbon light rather than my alloy 9 kgs, but to experience the guy turning legs and his muscles from heart to legs are more efficient than the price of bicycle. You also never answered my many invitations for Swiss Gran San Berdardino which is not so difficult, even more than 9% on 4 last kilometers. Just let me know, I will climb on this Summer. When I don t need to use GRO pro, but when Breuil Cervinia will reopen, I wish should be on mid June, if can reach Klein Matterhorn, then on the right at the end of tunnel, we could make a good run through forbidden lines and crevaces and below the big rock on the extreme right when downhill, I can go first to open for risks and You just have to be a follower in my lines, when I m used to go first with all risks for me, I'm not a good follower, I prefer to look at my own lines.
[QUOTE=Downandup;2553390]Here's a bunch of articles explaining how a vaccine can be [B]safely[/B] developed in such a short time[/QUOTE]I will answer before them:
These articles are written by an AI controlled by big pharma and you are a commie with a tiny dick. Or maybe you are the AI and the authors are commie with a tiny dick. Or maybe you're an AI with a tiny dick I'm getting confused. Probably because I'm an AI myself, corrupted by proton bombing.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2553302]1. No.
2. No.[/QUOTE]So you mean religions are not a conspiracy?
What is it then?
[QUOTE=Downandup;2553390]Here's a bunch of articles explaining how a vaccine can be [B]safely[/B] developed in such a short time:
[URL]https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-did-we-develop-a-covid-19-vaccine-so-quickly[/URL]#Other-coronaviruses.
[URL]https://wellcome.org/news/quick-safe-covid-vaccine-development[/URL]
[URL]https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20201219/the-vaccine-was-fast-heres-how-to-make-it-faster[/URL][/QUOTE]Read all the links now. If that is all it takes to persuade you, then I feel sorry for you! Sheep!
[QUOTE=Downandup;2553390]Here's a bunch of articles explaining how a vaccine can be [B]safely[/B] developed in such a short time:
[URL]https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-did-we-develop-a-covid-19-vaccine-so-quickly[/URL]#Other-coronaviruses.
[URL]https://wellcome.org/news/quick-safe-covid-vaccine-development[/URL]
[URL]https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20201219/the-vaccine-was-fast-heres-how-to-make-it-faster[/URL][/QUOTE]All this is not coming from really independent experts, as always the devil is in the details. Advice you to have a look at the last presentation of the IHU Marseilles concerning the datas that Pfister, Moderna. Gave to the different authorities FDA, Europe, if after that you still believe that everything is safe and that there was no rush, why not but it is absolutely no my thinking. All the leaders are afraid of potential coming revolutions and destabilization, they have no other solution that to make us think that the vaccines are the solution, the vaccines are a tool, like masks, social distancing but applying all those rules are not good for the business, they want us to come back as fast as possible to the live of 2019, that we consume again useless products, purchase if possible on credit. Are you not happy to buy a Iphone for 1000 USD, a Mac for 2500, a terrible none ecological car from Tesla, a plastic bag from Louis Vuitton, all this on credit)).
[QUOTE=Pistons;2553410]So you mean religions are not a conspiracy?
What is it then?[/QUOTE]That's not what your initial post was asking.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2553295]So, a question to everyone here:
1. Do you believe in a God?
2. Do you believe in conspiracy theories?
You must choose one of these options, otherwise you are simply lying.[/QUOTE]You can have atheist who believe in conspiracy theories or not. You can have religious people who believe in conspiracy theories.
If you wanted to argue that a yes to 1. Implies a yes to 2, you did a poor job formulating it. Plus, conspiracy theories typically go against mainstream thinking.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2553391]Because I prefer we climb together, when should be easier for you with your carbon light rather than my alloy 9 kgs, but to experience the guy turning legs and his muscles from heart to legs are more efficient than the price of bicycle. You also never answered my many invitations for Swiss Gran San Berdardino which is not so difficult, even more than 9% on 4 last kilometers. Just let me know, I will climb on this Summer. When I don t need to use GRO pro, but when Breuil Cervinia will reopen, I wish should be on mid June, if can reach Klein Matterhorn, then on the right at the end of tunnel, we could make a good run through forbidden lines and crevaces and below the big rock on the extreme right when downhill, I can go first to open for risks and You just have to be a follower in my lines, when I m used to go first with all risks for me, I'm not a good follower, I prefer to look at my own lines.[/QUOTE]You know when you sit in a tram and a mentally deranged person comes near and starts rambling? No, I don't want to actively seek that.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2553423]All this is not coming from really independent experts, as always the devil is in the details. Advice you to have a look at the last presentation of the IHU Marseilles concerning the datas that Pfister, Moderna. Gave.[/QUOTE]Even if the my did, you and the others will still never change your positions. No desire for truth, just desire to be validated.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2553260]That's why it usually takes 8-10 years to develop a vaccine, Sherlock! No matter how much money you throw at the problem: you can't 'buy' time and take shortcuts!.[/QUOTE]Reality: Obstacles in recruitment of volunteers, funding, urgency is why it usually takes longer for pharmaceutical approval. Phase 3 clinical trials have always only taken months per volunteer, not years.
But HT still insists that SARS-CoV-2 is a very fast mutating virus compared to measles and polio. Details matter. HT has conveniently ignored details that counter his positions.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2553470]That's not what your initial post was asking.
You can have atheist who believe in conspiracy theories or not. You can have religious people who believe in conspiracy theories.
If you wanted to argue that a yes to 1. Implies a yes to 2, you did a poor job formulating it. Plus, conspiracy theories typically go against mainstream thinking.[/QUOTE]My position is not so much about actual conspiracy theories but rather that the people who tend to be drawn to them. It's reasonable to say that conspiracies do and have existed throughout human history. People in power lying to the public is nothing new. The criticism however is to the people whose default is to veer towards conspiracies before exploring less exciting scenarios. But the low burden of proof that they set to entertain these theories can only be justified through boredom, stupidity, or poor impulse control.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2553470]That's not what your initial post was asking.
You can have atheist who believe in conspiracy theories or not. You can have religious people who believe in conspiracy theories.
If you wanted to argue that a yes to 1. Implies a yes to 2, you did a poor job formulating it. Plus, conspiracy theories typically go against mainstream thinking.[/QUOTE]Do you have a reading disability?
Where did I write that 1 disallowed 2? All I basically wrote was that you cannot say no to both.
Because if you truly are atheist, then it should be clear to you that the religious leadership are conspiring against their followers.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2553380]You don't know shit about it, you think that covid19 can be treated with solarium, onion and vitamins. You also think that black people are more affected only because of the color of their skin, and that they are implementing reverse apartheid in South Africa. By the way, these last two ramblings smell a lot like racism. What other stupidities did you say? Ah yes, we are all controlled by an AI. You have no idea how an AI works and you probably never wrote 4 lines of functioning code in your life. There is an easy application used for teaching code to kids, Scratch. Maybe you could use it to understand simple concepts: causality, loops, conditions.[/QUOTE]The thing is, the topic is like raising the question of what you would do with 1 billion dollars. The current reality of where we are in current scientific advancement place us so far from any useful application. The topic is a waste of debate time in regards to current affairs. It's just another superficial display of knowledge signaling. Keyword is superficial.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2553380]You have no idea how an AI works and you probably never wrote 4 lines of functioning code in your life. There is an easy application used for teaching code to kids, Scratch. Maybe you could use it to understand simple concepts: causality, loops, conditions.[/QUOTE]Pretty sure he couldn't put together 20 lines of code that would even compile.
I know exactly how it would go.
1.) User presses compile button:
Compiler returns a simple Syntax error.
2.) User fixes closed bracket error, runs program:
Program returns Runtime error. Pends forever.
3.) User fixes his infinite loop:
Program returns 2+2 = -345 because of a logic error.
I'm not sure if he could even insert a simple HTML tag into an ISG post.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2553380]You don't know shit about it, you think that covid19 can be treated with solarium, onion and vitamins. You also think that black people are more affected only because of the color of their skin, and that they are implementing reverse apartheid in South Africa. By the way, these last two ramblings smell a lot like racism.[/QUOTE]Ah, what does he know about actual humans? I remember him saying something about poor, immigrants not having a healthcare disadvantage because healthcare is free in Europe, choosing to blame covid / health issues mostly on genetics.
Funny how in this case, he connects access to modern medicine and dumb doctors to be the health equalizer.
He harps so much on natural remedies but here he ignores things like nutrition and that poor populations have limited access to healthy food options. Fast food restaurants in the West are more likely to open a location in lower income neighborhoods than rich neighborhoods. Meanwhile less supermarkets are open in poor neighborhoods. That's not even mentioning the ability to pay for healthy foods. Eating a hamburger Happy Meal costs less and takes less effort than making chicken breast, quinoa, and a salad.
More healthcare facilities and doctor's offices are located in affluent communities than the projects. And healthcare literacy is a major problem in poor populations despite universal access to healthcare.
But yea, just eat onions and garlic and you'll be fine. Modern medicine is stupid.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2553474]You know when you sit in a tram and a mentally deranged person comes near and starts rambling? No, I don't want to actively seek that.[/QUOTE]You can follow me, usually easier to follow, but I don't like, I prefer to lead. I m afraid I will have to climb on my own on my Summer tour, no follower able for such sport.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2553292]These two links suggest that culture affects savings habits for first and second-generation immigrants in USA, Germany and UK:
[URL]https://www.corporatemonkeycpa.com/2018/03/31/immigrants-save-like-superheroes[/URL]
[URL]https://www.wiwi.uni-frankfurt.de/profs/fuchs/staff/fuchs/paper/CultureSaving_March2019.pdf[/URL]
China's saving rate went from 39 percent in 2010 to 33 percent in 2019, despite GDP per capita doubling over the same period. So these younger, more "spoiled" Chinese born after 1990, if they were to immigrate to the West, I do not think they would be able to save (percentage-wise) what early waves of Chinese immigrants were able to save: [URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/less-savings-more-debt-how-chinese-manage-money-american-style-in-17-charts-11572427805[/URL].[/QUOTE]Normalized savings rates are definitely skewed towards some cultures. I remember discussing with an Indian American that I thought a 15-20% savings rate was pretty good for the average person. Well, for most Westerners that seems fair to me. He however nearly scolded me to say that 25% up to 50% should be the norm. A ranking of savings rate by country of is dominated by lower income nations. The USA comes in at 100th at 16.9%. Honestly that's higher than I would have thought.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_gross_national_savings?wprov=sfti1[/URL]
But perhaps that is also due to a difference in gross income. As generations acquire more wealth, savings rates would understandably decrease. China's average household income doubled in the last decade while savings rate decreased by only 6%. But 33% of 2 x is still much more than 39% of x. The same inverse trend would likely be observed when gross income increases by moving from a third world nation to a first world nation. But once, you get your nest egg settled, luxury and convenience spending increases. I know I was near broke 6 years ago. I hoarded so much cash for a few years but now I spend a ridiculous amount on leisure. First generations may not have that same issue though. I know so many old Asian immigrants who have hundreds of thousands or millions in savings, all houses and cars paid for, but still live off of $15 K per year.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2553503]Do you have a reading disability?
Where did I write that 1 disallowed 2? All I basically wrote was that you cannot say no to both.
Because if you truly are atheist, then it should be clear to you that the religious leadership are conspiring against their followers.[/QUOTE]Actually it's you that you have a writing and logical thinking disability.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2553545]You can follow me, usually easier to follow, but I don't like, I prefer to lead. I m afraid I will have to climb on my own on my Summer tour, no follower able for such sport.[/QUOTE]It will help you in life if you manage to read and understand the meaning of words.
Everyone here is completely wrong on all of their claims.
COVID is just a bioweapon brought by extraterrestrial aliens. Having exploited the wave-particle duality of the Higgs Boson particle, aliens figured out how to localize matter across light years of space.
This technology allowed them to directly localize the coronavirus from light years away directly into the anus of a lab bat residing in a Wuhan laboratory. One of the Chinese scientists who had a sexual bat fetish, unknowingly contracted the virus during his nightly anal sexy time with the infected bat. After his evening bat coitus session, he further spread the virus at a basement "pizza party" where the pedophile elite infected dozens of children in Wuhan. The asymptomatic children spread the virus across the globe through these basement pizza parties with world elites.
Harnessing the power of mind control by manipulating 5 G data communication, the aliens took over the minds of all of the doctors, scientists, and world leaders. These pod people began spreading misinformation to curb humans from adequately responding to the planned invasion. There was a problem however, this 5 G signal could only penetrate the human mind by entering through the naso-oral cavity. Once humans started wearing masks, the aliens could no longer create enough pod people through 5 G mind control. Something had to be done so the original pod people began casting doubt on the usefulness of masks. Along the way, the pod people infiltrated all of the world's pharmaceutical companies, gaining access to the vaccine production laboratories. It is here where they created their next bio-weapon, the DNA altering mRNA vaccines that teleport into the human nucleus once in the human cell. Once inside the nucleus, they cause irreversible damage to the genetic loci that govern immune response, clot formation, human reproduction, and sterility.
They're manipulating us through energy field transmission while preparing their armies to invade us via the wormhole teleportation gate located at the center of the flat but hollow earth.
I am right and you are all wrong because I said so. Here are my infallible sources:
[URL]https://youtu.be/kqjoezECDmc[/URL]
[URL]https://altamontenterprise.com/opinion/columns/old-men-mountain/08142020/coronavirus-actually-alien-invasion[/URL]
Resist the alien pod people by wearing your anti 5 G masks and never take their population control vaccines!
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2553524]Pretty sure he couldn't put together 20 lines of code that would even compile.[/QUOTE]Clearly logic is not a requirement to get his degree.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2553548]A ranking of savings rate by country of is dominated by lower income nations.[/QUOTE]The Wiki link you posted is for gross national savings, which according to the first paragraph "consists of personal saving, plus business saving, plus government saving". You and Pessimist were discussing personal finance and immigrant savings habits, so I believe a better metric to use would be household savings. On OECD page, I switched to "Table" view and sorted by 2016. China's household savings of 36 % is more than double the second ranked country, Switzerland 17 %.
[URL]https://data.oecd.org/hha/household-savings.htm[/URL]
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2553548]As generations acquire more wealth, savings rates would understandably decrease. China's average household income doubled in the last decade while savings rate decreased by only 6%. But 33% of 2 x is still much more than 39% of x.[/QUOTE]At above link, if we switch to chart view, you can see China's savings rate was 28 percent in 2000, peaking at 39 percent in 2010. I would say gross income in China has been an upward trend since 1978.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2553548]I know so many old Asian immigrants who have hundreds of thousands or millions in savings, all houses and cars paid for, but still live off of $15 K per year.[/QUOTE]These Asian immigrants probably immigrated pre-1990?
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2553423]All this is not coming from really independent experts, as always the devil is in the details. Advice you to have a look at the last presentation of the IHU Marseilles concerning the datas that Pfister, Moderna. Gave to the different authorities FDA, Europe, if after that you still believe that everything is safe and that there was no rush, why not but it is absolutely no my thinking. All the leaders are afraid of potential coming revolutions and destabilization, they have no other solution that to make us think that the vaccines are the solution, the vaccines are a tool, like masks, social distancing but applying all those rules are not good for the business, they want us to come back as fast as possible to the live of 2019, that we consume again useless products, purchase if possible on credit. Are you not happy to buy a Iphone for 1000 USD, a Mac for 2500, a terrible none ecological car from Tesla, a plastic bag from Louis Vuitton, all this on credit)).[/QUOTE]We have now in very deep France people who were vaccined and died from south African, I really wonder how south African could reach so deep part of France. Wish only because they were very old and weak. 30% south African cases in Metz district, really incredible, even close to Luxemburg and Germany, when also mainly UK cases now in whole France.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2553659]We have now in very deep France people who were vaccined and died from south African, I really wonder how south African could reach so deep part of France. Wish only because they were very old and weak. 30% south African cases in Metz district, really incredible, even close to Luxemburg and Germany, when also mainly UK cases now in whole France.[/QUOTE]It is called the South African variant because it was identified and sequenced in South Africa, but it could have generated anywhere in the world. In the same way, the UK variant is called so because it was first identified and sequenced there, but it could have well be originated in France or anywhere else.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2553659]We have now in very deep France people who were vaccined and died from south African, I really wonder how south African could reach so deep part of France. Wish only because they were very old and weak. 30% south African cases in Metz district, really incredible, even close to Luxemburg and Germany, when also mainly UK cases now in whole France.[/QUOTE]So easy coming through la reunion, mayotte, Madagascar. The next 1 seems to be the Indian variant, 2 and 3 important mutations in the spike protein, probably the vaccines will not work, and I am sure it is already in Europe, through UK, Holland. The only solution is the close the boarders like China, but obviously we will never do it, we are a democracy.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2553681]It is called the South African variant because it was identified and sequenced in South Africa, but it could have generated anywhere in the world. In the same way, the UK variant is called so because it was first identified and sequenced there, but it could have well be originated in France or anywhere else.[/QUOTE]But when UK variant spread all over UK on end of last year, at this time no spreading in continental Europe, but started after Christmas and new year holidays, and still under since 4 months. I wish it prefers rain and fog rather than heat. Unfortunately we had very cold on April, wish for big heat as soon as possible, even not good for ski.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2553683]So easy coming through la reunion, mayotte, Madagascar. The next 1 seems to be the Indian variant, 2 and 3 important mutations in the spike protein, probably the vaccines will not work, and I am sure it is already in Europe, through UK, Holland. The only solution is the close the boarders like China, but obviously we will never do it, we are a democracy.[/QUOTE]Yes Brazilian and south African are already in some EU countries after UK one, 20% Brazilian in Portugal, Brazilian and south African in very deep France, when our doctors say they are not sure for vaccine efficiency, but we all know Chinese government is a big liar, we can t trust, most of Chinese not even trusting and afraid. What is average salary for whole China?
Austria announced more relaxed measures starting with 19 May. To have access to restaurants, hotels, etc people need one of the following: proof of recovery from Covid, a valid recent test or vaccination.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2553598]The Wiki link you posted is for gross national savings, which according to the first paragraph "consists of personal saving, plus business saving, plus government saving". You and Pessimist were discussing personal finance and immigrant savings habits, so I believe a better metric to use would be household savings. On OECD page, I switched to "Table" view and sorted by 2016. China's household savings of 36 % is more than double the second ranked country, Switzerland 17 %.
[URL]https://data.oecd.org/hha/household-savings.htm[/URL]
At above link, if we switch to chart view, you can see China's savings rate was 28 percent in 2000, peaking at 39 percent in 2010. I would say gross income in China has been an upward trend since 1978.
These Asian immigrants probably immigrated pre-1990?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/less-savings-more-debt-how-chinese-manage-money-american-style-in-17-charts-11572427805[/URL]
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2553572]Actually it's you that you have a writing and logical thinking disability.[/QUOTE]It's a writing and / or logic issue. Poor communication from a communications expert.
First on the issue of logic, his thoughts are obviously logically flawed as one can answer yes to both questions believing in both god and conspiracy theories.
But, he only saw one side, expecting you to 1.) not believe in god, then therefore must 2.) declare religion to be a conspiracy theory. That would be logical except that the communications expert communicated that erroneously.
The poster presented 2 yes / no questions but randomly attached a "choose one" condition. What does "choose one" have anything to do with answering two binary conditions? The proper way to communicate what he was getting at would have been to say "you can only reject one," poor communication.
All the YouTube videos in the world can only mask the baseline deficiencies of a mind not suited for logical processing and an education in communications obviously does not ensure adequate communication skills.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2553715]Yes Brazilian and south African are already in some EU countries after UK one, 20% Brazilian in Portugal, Brazilian and south African in very deep France, when our doctors say they are not sure for vaccine efficiency, but we all know Chinese government is a big liar, we can t trust, most of Chinese not even trusting and afraid. What is average salary for whole China?[/QUOTE]In 2008, basic salary for a worker in a factory was 150 euros, 3 times more for the people working in construction, today minimum salary is 500 euros but very difficult to find people, electrician is 1000 but so many Chinese people want to be self entrepreneur only very few want to work as employee. You have to know that everywhere you can panels "we hire" but no candidates result of so many years of 1 child for 1 family.
Europe will not close borders for reasons of plain stupidity. A democracy can close borders easilty. And that has been done before.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2553683]So easy coming through la reunion, mayotte, Madagascar. The next 1 seems to be the Indian variant, 2 and 3 important mutations in the spike protein, probably the vaccines will not work, and I am sure it is already in Europe, through UK, Holland. The only solution is the close the boarders like China, but obviously we will never do it, we are a democracy.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2553574]Everyone here is completely wrong on all of their claims.
COVID is just a bioweapon brought by extraterrestrial aliens. Having exploited the wave-particle duality of the Higgs Boson particle, aliens figured out how to localize matter across light years of space.
This technology allowed them to directly localize the coronavirus from light years away directly into the anus of a lab bat residing in a Wuhan laboratory. One of the Chinese scientists who had a sexual bat fetish, unknowingly contracted the virus during his nightly anal sexy time with the infected bat. After his evening bat coitus session, he further spread the virus at a basement "pizza party" where the pedophile elite infected dozens of children in Wuhan. The asymptomatic children spread the virus across the globe through these basement pizza parties with world elites.[/QUOTE]You're a mentally sick weirdo. You should try to get a job, maybe McDonalds will hire you. Probably not.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2553548]Normalized savings rates are definitely skewed towards some cultures. I remember discussing with an Indian American that I thought a 15-20% savings rate was pretty good for the average person. Well, for most Westerners that seems fair to me. He however nearly scolded me to say that 25% up to 50% should be the norm. A ranking of savings rate by country of is dominated by lower income nations. The USA comes in at 100th at 16.9%. Honestly that's higher than I would have thought.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_gross_national_savings?wprov=sfti1[/URL]
But perhaps that is also due to a difference in gross income. As generations acquire more wealth, savings rates would understandably decrease. China's average household income doubled in the last decade while savings rate decreased by only 6%. But 33% of 2 x is still much more than 39% of x. The same inverse trend would likely be observed when gross income increases by moving from a third world nation to a first world nation. But once, you get your nest egg settled, luxury and convenience spending increases. I know I was near broke 6 years ago. I hoarded so much cash for a few years but now I spend a ridiculous amount on leisure. First generations may not have that same issue though. I know so many old Asian immigrants who have hundreds of thousands or millions in savings, all houses and cars paid for, but still live off of $15 K per year.[/QUOTE]Living on $15 grand a year is tough. I have a few Indian friends, they are actually very well off. Some are born here, some are first gen immigrants. None of them live that frugally. Your Indian friend at that level of frugality sounds too miserly, no offense. Perhaps it works for them.
I have no mortgage and even so my monthly fixed expenses are way more than that. My property tax itself is north of that amount and it is not because I am living in a high tax rate state like NJ. HOA dues, insurance adds on top. Unless you are brutally frugal, there are $400 more expenses a month such as pool maintenance, lawn, fertilizer, house clean etc. Utilities take another 4 to 5 grand a year, even if you are on vacation for large amounts of time. You are looking at nearly $30 grand a year before you spend a dime on yourself.
No Caucasian woman would put up living on $15 K annual total if you have millions in the bank. None that I know of. And as I said, it does not matter if they already own their house -- there are still fixed expenses (Unless they bought a small studio apartment which was paid off and taxes / insurance etc are miniscule). Clearly, that would imply a pretty lousy quality of life -- then one wonders what is the point of making the money in the first place. I think a few immigrants are driven to save and save and pass it all to their children, typically that is not a Western mindset. We want to make sure our kids are taken care off but not at the cost of us living in misery.
Cars are a different issue. I drive mid range cars at best and I drive them to their death. Colleagues that make less than a fifth of what I make at my firm drive much fancier cars than I do. That is a personal preference. On the other hand, I pay an obscene amount for my kids schools, still in middle school. I figure its going to cost me north of half a mil for each kid by the time they have their bachelors degree in hand.
All in all, even if one doesn't live extravagantly it is tough to accumulate huge wealth if gross annual income is less than $150-200 K if also having to support a family. But what I meant in my prior comment was that I also know quite a few who pull in half a mil annually and still don't have socked away enough and would run through their savings if out of a job for a year or two. That, to me, is pathetic.
The math for single men works differently, which I am not. One wonders if single men would still be motivated to keep making as much as they can past 50's- they don't need to support anyone, and the calculation for them must be" how much do I need to save, when do I stop working, and how much fun do I want to have for the rest of my life and what does it cost?
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2553732]Austria announced more relaxed measures starting with 19 May. To have access to restaurants, hotels, etc people need one of the following: proof of recovery from Covid, a valid recent test or vaccination.[/QUOTE]Thanks for keeping us updated RE Osterreich. Let us know when the Vienna airport is ready to accept vaccinated Amerikaner and GT is open again.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2553831]Living on $15 grand a year is tough. I have a few Indian friends, they are actually very well off. Some are born here, some are first gen immigrants. None of them live that frugally. Your Indian friend at that level of frugality sounds too miserly, no offense. Perhaps it works for them.
I have no mortgage and even so my monthly fixed expenses are way more than that. My property tax itself is north of that amount and it is not because I am living in a high tax rate state like NJ. HOA dues, insurance adds on top. Unless you are brutally frugal, there are $400 more expenses a month such as pool maintenance, lawn, fertilizer, house clean etc. Utilities take another 4 to 5 grand a year, even if you are on vacation for large amounts of time. You are looking at nearly $30 grand a year before you spend a dime on yourself.
No Caucasian woman would put up living on $15 K annual total if you have millions in the bank. None that I know of. And as I said, it does not matter if they already own their house -- there are still fixed expenses (Unless they bought a small studio apartment which was paid off and taxes / insurance etc are miniscule). Clearly, that would imply a pretty lousy quality of life -- then one wonders what is the point of making the money in the first place. I think a few immigrants are driven to save and save and pass it all to their children, typically that is not a Western mindset. We want to make sure our kids are taken care off but not at the cost of us living in misery.
Cars are a different issue. I drive mid range cars at best and I drive them to their death. Colleagues that make less than a fifth of what I make at my firm drive much fancier cars than I do. That is a personal preference. On the other hand, I pay an obscene amount for my kids schools, still in middle school. I figure its going to cost me north of half a mil for each kid by the time they have their bachelors degree in hand.
All in all, even if one doesn't live extravagantly it is tough to accumulate huge wealth if gross annual income is less than $150-200 K if also having to support a family. But what I meant in my prior comment was that I also know quite a few who pull in half a mil annually and still don't have socked away enough and would run through their savings if out of a job for a year or two. That, to me, is pathetic.
The math for single men works differently, which I am not. One wonders if single men would still be motivated to keep making as much as they can past 50's- they don't need to support anyone, and the calculation for them must be" how much do I need to save, when do I stop working, and how much fun do I want to have for the rest of my life and what does it cost?[/QUOTE]The Indian guy was not living that frugally. He was just an example of cultural savings norms. The $15 K cost of living, I'm picturing first gen senior citizen immigrants. You had it right when you said "live for your kids. " That's the mindset of many first generation immigrants.
Your views come from a white collar American with kids. HOA, Private school, manicured lawns, etc. Those are not concerns of the poor working class, much less poor immigrants. That's the point of the whole conversation, different standards and habits if you grow up with different expectations.
Pool maintenance? First Gen Immigrant: You have pool? We buy inflatable pool from WalMart.
Fertilize manicured lawns? First Gen Immigrant: Dog shit on yard for free. Why you try to impress neighbor Karen?
Vacation? First Gen Immigrant: We drive 6 hour to cousin house in Florida.
Private school? First Gen Immigrant: Aye yah, so stupid, public school free, study harder.
Example finances of a senior citizen immigrant living in the American south:
No mortgage, no car payments, insurance via Medicaid.
Property tax at senior tax rates: $1200 per year; Home insurance: $1000 per year.
Liability auto insurance: $400 per year.
Utilities and cell phone: $250 per mo, $3000 per year.
Groceries: $300 per month: $3600 per year.
Gross overhead: <9 K per year.
How do I know those numbers? Those are my mother's expenses.
Many first gen immigrants never experienced first world luxuries when they were your age or mine so they continue to live the lifestyle to which that they have been accustomed. And they are quite happy, so long as the kids and grandkids are secure.
Their children, while not anywhere near as frugal, would naturally adopt some of the same mentalities. So from my essentially second gen perspective, acquiring wealth from the US is easy if you are not spoiled by trivial American spending habits. For a person who is making a low 6 figure salary, with a wife generating some income, a couple kids; if that family can't put away the bare minimum, which I determine to be 401 K max of $19.5 thousand per year for 22 years, then they need to stop keeping up with the Jones and cut their luxury spending.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2553829]You're a mentally sick weirdo. You should try to get a job, maybe McDonalds will hire you. Probably not.[/QUOTE]And you're boring with an extremely limited repertoire of recycled insults. Reruns. Yawn. Next.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2553831]No Caucasian woman would put up living on $15 K annual total if you have millions in the bank.[/QUOTE]Caucasians at $1 M, I could see living frugally. Seems like there are enough millennial (mostly Caucasians) attempting this for it to be classified as a movement. Objective for many is to save $1 million or 30 times their yearly expenses, so let's say $33 K depending on desired lifestyle:
[QUOTE]In more recent years, Millennials in particular have embraced the FIRE movement with the aim of retiring well before the traditional retirement age of 65. Proponents of the extreme-saving lifestyle often begin by remaining for several years in the traditional workforce in order to save up to 70% of their yearly income. Once their savings reach approximately 30 times their yearly expenses, often roughly $1 million, they may quit their day jobs or completely retire from any form of employment altogether.
To cover their living expenses after retiring at a young age, FIRE devotees make small withdrawals from their savings, typically around 3% to 4% yearly. Depending on the size of the savings and desired lifestyle, this requires extreme diligence to monitor expenses and continued maintenance and reallocation of their investments.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/financial-independence-retire-early-fire.asp
[/QUOTE]I have never been but I imagine places like Bali have sizable population of Caucasian millennials from rich countries trying to retire early. Here is a attractive, late 20's, early 30's, solo Caucasian female embracing a minimalist lifestyle as a van-lifer: [URL]https://youtu.be/ryPBLk90xEQ[/URL].
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2553831]Living on $15 grand a year is tough. I have a few Indian friends, they are actually very well off. Some are born here, some are first gen immigrants. None of them live that frugally. Your Indian friend at that level of frugality sounds too miserly, no offense. Perhaps it works for them.
[/QUOTE]Should probably add that the $15 K per year spender, million dollar example was an extreme example and is hardly the average. Just painting romanticized but realistic image.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2553762]In 2008, basic salary for a worker in a factory was 150 euros, 3 times more for the people working in construction, today minimum salary is 500 euros but very difficult to find people, electrician is 1000 but so many Chinese people want to be self entrepreneur only very few want to work as employee. You have to know that everywhere you can panels "we hire" but no candidates result of so many years of 1 child for 1 family.[/QUOTE]You tell about Chinese working in big towns, but what about whole country including far deep and north and west parts? I really doubt for 500 for minimum.
I'll leave the translation to you guys since then you won't be able to claim I faked it.
8% have increased amounts of white blood cells and some side effects aside from the standard headache / fever etc.
2.7% of which (2.8 in a national + Danish survey) of these extreme amounts of white blood cells.
Here is the 2.8% mention:
[URL]https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/mBlBL0/fhi-undersoekelse-flere-tilfeller-av-bloedninger-blant-astrazeneca-vaksinerte[/URL]
"After the first dose of vector vaccine, 2. 8 percent of those vaccinated in the study experienced bleeding. The corresponding figure for those who received the mRNA vaccine was 0.1."
So basically the 2.8% figure will increase given further dosages, as this was only after one AZ dosage! Not to mention there might be cases unreported in these first figures too.
I say like Elon Musk: I am not going to die from covid myself, so I'm not going to take the vaccine!
Vitamin-the, solarium, onions / onion oil, 4 vitamin be-complexes, and gym 4 times a week!
Take that you wannabe doctor beta's!
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2553380]You don't know shit about it, you think that covid19 can be treated with solarium, onion and vitamins. You also think that black people are more affected only because of the color of their skin, and that they are implementing reverse apartheid in South Africa. By the way, these last two ramblings smell a lot like racism. What other stupidities did you say? Ah yes, we are all controlled by an AI. You have no idea how an AI works and you probably never wrote 4 lines of functioning code in your life. There is an easy application used for teaching code to kids, Scratch. Maybe you could use it to understand simple concepts: causality, loops, conditions.[/QUOTE]1. Blood clots caused by covid infections are reduced through anti-coagulants like a substant found in onions, as well as vitamin be complexes. Vitamin the I believe we have already agreed on. 1-0.
2. It is well known that white people need less sun on their skin in order to take up more vitamin the. 2-0.
3. I have friends in south africa I talk a bit to. Jobs are handed out due to the color of their skin. Official jobs especially. 3-0.
4. We live in a simulation. 4-0.
5. I took IT on high school and got an A actually. Did a couple of websites and databases especially is something I'm good at. 5-0.
6. Generative Adversarial Networks uses big data up against a new target. Think of it as a cop and a criminal. The criminal is the new target. And the cop is the average of the big data. Then the cop tests the criminal up against the charges. So either he is let loose, or he is criminally charged. We can use AI on you in a similar case here on ISG to check if you have an IQ over 100. When I check you, it seems your score is below 100, and thus you are put to jail. 6-0.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2553574]Everyone here is completely wrong on all of their claims.
COVID is just a bioweapon brought by extraterrestrial aliens. Having exploited the wave-particle duality of the Higgs Boson particle, aliens figured out how to localize matter across light years of space.
This technology allowed them to directly localize the coronavirus from light years away directly into the anus of a lab bat residing in a Wuhan laboratory. One of the Chinese scientists who had a sexual bat fetish, unknowingly contracted the virus during his nightly anal sexy time with the infected bat. After his evening bat coitus session, he further spread the virus at a basement "pizza party" where the pedophile elite infected dozens of children in Wuhan. The asymptomatic children spread the virus across the globe through these basement pizza parties with world elites.
Harnessing the power of mind control by manipulating 5 G data communication, the aliens took over the minds of all of the doctors, scientists, and world leaders. These pod people began spreading misinformation to curb humans from adequately responding to the planned invasion. There was a problem however, this 5 G signal could only penetrate the human mind by entering through the naso-oral cavity. Once humans started wearing masks, the aliens could no longer create enough pod people through 5 G mind control. Something had to be done so the original pod people began casting doubt on the usefulness of masks. Along the way, the pod people infiltrated all of the world's pharmaceutical companies, gaining access to the vaccine production laboratories. It is here where they created their next bio-weapon, the DNA altering mRNA vaccines that teleport into the human nucleus once in the human cell. Once inside the nucleus, they cause irreversible damage to the genetic loci that govern immune response, clot formation, human reproduction, and sterility.
They're manipulating us through energy field transmission while preparing their armies to invade us via the wormhole teleportation gate located at the center of the flat but hollow earth.
I am right and you are all wrong because I said so. Here are my infallible sources:
[URL]https://youtu.be/kqjoezECDmc[/URL]
[URL]https://altamontenterprise.com/opinion/columns/old-men-mountain/08142020/coronavirus-actually-alien-invasion[/URL]
Resist the alien pod people by wearing your anti 5 G masks and never take their population control vaccines![/QUOTE]Well, I already told you about the teleportation part already! It's called proton tunneling you retard!
Your story is not completely accurate given how this mind control actually started with the visitation by Oumuamua into our solar system a few years ago. Where the aliens highjacked our datacenters with a highly advanced AI. This is how they took control over the minds of the secret world elites.
Your bat and pizza party ideas are however just lies made up because you think are funny.
2 people died in a Yunnan mine 8 years ago by a corona virus similar to covid-19. Samples of the shit from this bat cave was sent to the Wuhan lab. And from these they ran the virus through petri dishes multiple times to speed up the mutation process by tens if not thousands of years in order to test different mutations on simulated human spread.
The alien link may or may not be there. It is a theory we cannot throw out the window.
Personally I think we are living in a simulation, and this covid thingy is staged in order to show us what happened outside the simulation, and how we fucked up. Basically the reason why we all had to flee inside the simulation in the first place! And the simulation is replaying this in order to try and come up with a solution.
That Asian dude must be a smart fella saving all that money for the times when all that money becomes worthless!
This is why smart people goes to FKKs and loose all their cash on Romanian pussy:
[URL]https://inflationchart.com/spx-in-m1[/URL]
It went so parabolic a couple of weeks ago that fed just gave up:
[URL]https://www.kitco.com/news/2021-04-06/Is-the-Fed-hiding-something-Why-weekly-money-supply-data-just-got-discontinued-Steve-Hanke.html[/URL]
LOL!
Looking forward to getting a 1:1 trade on the usd!
[QUOTE=Clodius1;2553839]Thanks for keeping us updated RE Osterreich. Let us know when the Vienna airport is ready to accept vaccinated Amerikaner and GT is open again.[/QUOTE]GT is reopening 19 May.
Currently I am scouring the woods in search of the Agarikon mushroom. I truly believe this mushroom will save me from covid or herpes!
Take a look at what is happening in India and see what happens when you let the number of cases go up uncontrollably.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2553845]Gross overhead: <9 K per year.
How do I know those numbers? Those are my mother's expenses.
Many first gen immigrants never experienced first world luxuries when they were your age or mine so they continue to live the lifestyle to which that they have been accustomed.[/QUOTE]RE: Not having first world habits and ability to delay instant gratification. This type of financial discipline can also be deployed by immigrants to save money for their luxury purchases. Eat nothing but instant noodles and have six roommates, then purchase the latest iPhone, or luxury watch, purse, used-BMW. So it can be both extremes of frugal and frivolous. Although this would usually be immigrants (aged 20-40) who still crave social status. Senior citizen immigrants stop caring at some point. You can find this consumer behavior in many groups that immigrate or migrate for work (Eastern Europeans, Nigerians, Asians). In the aggregate, they are still saving more money than their native-born counterparts and are still able to send money to relatives back home, but they are also rewarding themselves. Point is, immigrants still find a way to "flex" back home. In the old days, that was just building a big house near all the shacks. Now it is via social media.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2553845]Pool maintenance? First Gen Immigrant: You have pool? We buy inflatable pool from WalMart.[/QUOTE]Inflatable pool? The immigrant at the lower-end of the socioeconomic ladder would probably not even buy that inflatable pool in the first place. It would be frivolous to buy something new that one would only use a few days out of the year. Immigrants generally form informal social networks with other people from the same country or they live near extended family. Often, even the non-religious will join a church to accrue the social benefits. As such they can pool resources, barter services, exchange and borrow items, find jobs and cheap living accommodations.
Migrant workers who work in a rich country and send money back home are probably the ultimate money-saving hack. Since they are transient it makes no sense to accumulate material possessions. So they can live in a high-wage city, then share cramped quarters with their countrymen to offset the high-rent. Food can also be purchased in bulk to cut costs. Just make a trip to Frankfurt main station and you can see this immigrant communal mindset at work: old Sprinter vans with Romanian license plates, workers trying to get a ride back home or to their next job location in Western Europe, people picking up sending packages. The difficulty for the migrant is just figuring out how to safely and cheaply get their cash back home.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2553681]It is called the South African variant because it was identified and sequenced in South Africa, but it could have generated anywhere in the world. In the same way, the UK variant is called so because it was first identified and sequenced there, but it could have well be originated in France or anywhere else.[/QUOTE]And the Brazilian?
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2553845]The Indian guy was not living that frugally. He was just an example of cultural savings norms. The $15 K cost of living, I'm picturing first gen senior citizen immigrants. You had it right when you said "live for your kids. " That's the mindset of many first generation immigrants.
Your views come from a white collar American with kids. HOA, Private school, manicured lawns, etc. Those are not concerns of the poor working class, much less poor immigrants. That's the point of the whole conversation, different standards and habits if you grow up with different expectations.
Pool maintenance? First Gen Immigrant: You have pool? We buy inflatable pool from WalMart.
Fertilize manicured lawns? First Gen Immigrant: Dog shit on yard for free. Why you try to impress neighbor Karen?
Vacation? First Gen Immigrant: We drive 6 hour to cousin house in Florida.
Private school? First Gen Immigrant: Aye yah, so stupid, public school free, study harder.
Example finances of a senior citizen immigrant living in the American south:
No mortgage, no car payments, insurance via Medicaid..[/QUOTE]Keeping the personal aspect of mother aside; yes, private schools are and can be a wasteful expense, and that costs me a boatload; my wife and I came through public schools. Probably a mistake but we are doing this.
The rest of the items on my list: if someone already had millions, they would not live that frugal lifestyle, unless extremely miserly. Low six figures as unmarried or even $200 K as a married couple with possibly one or two kids living normally will not cut it to become a millionaire. Here millionaire is someone who thinks they are reasonably wealthy, not about strictly having one million which in most urban and semi urban settings in the US no longer qualifies as any real wealth. Yes, making $200 K as a couple, living a frugal life, can accumulate a million by the time they are in 60's if they stay disciplined.
Taxes alone subtract so much. If you did not buy a reasonable sized house and don't have deduction benefit, what else helps? Even w / 2 kids and just the standard deductions, might end up paying a good chunk to the tax man, especially if you also have a high state tax.
BTW, lawn maintenance, fertilizer, pool maintenance etc are not luxuries. If you buy a decent house, they come with it and then unless you maintain them well, your house value degrades fast; if your lawn has weed and spreads to your neighbor's, he will pick a fight. In my neighborhood, we do have a fair number of owners that do their own thing. They may be saving money, have more time, or enjoy doing it. I don't and I pay. But that work has to be done by you or some paid worker. You could live in a condo but that goes back to my point about if you and your spouse make decent money, wanting to live so frugally is not a natural instinct. Even if one of the two is inclined that way, the other has to agree which rarely happens. A woman who is making very nice money on her own will not put up w / that; it is not just keeping up w / Joneses, more a natural evolution of thinking and circumstances. You can't make these statements unless you have experienced the situation. Akin to some old lady that never had much of a sex drive claiming that mongering is unnecessary because no person needs this much sex.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2553853]Caucasians at $1 M, I could see living frugally. Seems like there are enough millennial (mostly Caucasians) attempting this for it to be classified as a movement. Objective for many is to save $1 million or 30 times their yearly expenses, so let's say $33 K depending on desired lifestyle:
I have never been but I imagine places like Bali have sizable population of Caucasian millennials from rich countries trying to retire early. Here is a attractive, late 20's, early 30's, solo Caucasian female embracing a minimalist lifestyle as a van-lifer: [URL]https://youtu.be/ryPBLk90xEQ[/URL].[/QUOTE]These examples get played up in the media because they are not common and sound exotic. Many millennials are actually not in a super great situation. Many of them came into working age population in the 2008-12 time frame and did not find proper first jobs and there is a ton of research that shows that if you are unlucky to come into employee pool in a bad year, it does set you back. Of course there will be exceptions but that is the general trend.
Also, millennials chose to rent and not buy because they saw what happened with housing debacle; they also did not have as much trust in stocks as prior generations did. So, they did not benefit from the booming market of last decade, as much as they could have.
"Caucasians at $1 M, I could see living frugally. Seems like there are enough millennial (mostly Caucasians) attempting this for it to be classified as a movement. " -Yes, but they are not there yet, are they? When they get to that level and still live frugally, we can have a discussion. Even as they reach half that level, their temptations will kick in and mindset will change. "Ah, I have $500 K in the bank, let me buy this or that" -- it starts with small purchases, feels good, they rationalize it and before you know it new habits are formed.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2553987]And the Brazilian?[/QUOTE]UK, south African and Brazilian were not born in continental Europe, when they did spread elsewhere before spreading and killing in our continent. And not sure vaccines are now efficient versus these mutants.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2553853]Caucasians at $1 M, I could see living frugally. Seems like there are enough millennial (mostly Caucasians) attempting this for it to be classified as a movement. Objective for many is to save $1 million or 30 times their yearly expenses, so let's say $33 K depending on desired lifestyle:
I have never been but I imagine places like Bali have sizable population of Caucasian millennials from rich countries trying to retire early. Here is a attractive, late 20's, early 30's, solo Caucasian female embracing a minimalist lifestyle as a van-lifer: [URL]https://youtu.be/ryPBLk90xEQ[/URL].[/QUOTE]FIRE: Financial Independence, Retire Early.
There's a growing movement toward this mindset comprised by many strategies. Obviously you would have to shed expectations of owning a pool, having a lawn guy, a house cleaner, or living in a Karen-operated HOA community. Taking on a mortgage for a 3000 sq foot home would probably be a bad idea. Anything meant to Keep Up with Karen Jones would be prohibited.
Basically the point is to save, save, save, save until you reach a modest threshold principal for long term investing. Say when you reach something very doable like $150-200 K at a younger age, say by your early thirties. At that point, you can leave the "rat race," let your investment grow conservatively over the next two decades or so. Meanwhile, you live a minimalist life, earning only what you need to fund that lifestyle. No more looking to advancing your career, no more working towards raises, but also not taking on debt that traps you into payments which requires a higher income. The point is to avoid higher ticket items and expenses that traps you into the perpetual luxury item-monthly payment cycle. You spend on what truly makes you happy, for me $20 K per year on hookers actually makes me happy. $4 K per month on mortgage / tax payments on a giant home would bring no more happiness than a modest $1500/ mo mortgage on a 1800 sq foot home. That 8 year old luxury sedan still looks and runs great. Purchasing a $100 K AMG does not provide any more happiness. If those high ticket items pull more women, are those the high maintenance women that I want?
End goal is once your first investment reaches an acceptable amount, then you live off of the dividends or growth of your investments. And like McA mentions, retirement does not have to be in an expensive western country. If in 25 years, your now $ 2 million retirement balance pays a 5% dividend of 100 K per year, imagine the live that affords you if spending your golden years in Belize or Indonesia.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2553959]Take a look at what is happening in India and see what happens when you let the number of cases go up uncontrollably.[/QUOTE]Take a look at France and see what's happens when you implement lockdowns.
Unemployment up, national debt way up, bankruptcies up, mental health problems up and COVID-19 related deaths way up.
That's what we call an epic failure.
I can't believe that some idiots want the Indians to starve to death.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554038]FIRE: Financial Independence, Retire Early.
There's a growing movement toward this mindset comprised by many strategies. Obviously you would have to shed expectations of owning a pool, having a lawn guy, a house cleaner, or living in a Karen-operated HOA community. Taking on a mortgage for a 3000 sq foot home would probably be a bad idea. Anything meant to Keep Up with Karen Jones would be prohibited.
Basically the point is to save, save, save, save until you reach a modest threshold principal for long term investing. Say when you reach something very doable like $150-200 K at a younger age, say by your early thirties. At that point, you can leave the "rat race," let your investment grow conservatively over the next two decades or so. Meanwhile, you live a minimalist life, earning only what you need to fund that lifestyle. No more looking to advancing your career, no more working towards raises, but also not taking on debt that traps you into payments which requires a higher income..[/QUOTE]Anything is *possible*, especially when talking at the individual level. At the population level stratified by groups, changes are more glacial.
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/14/the-net-worth-of-the-average-american-family.html[/URL]
As CNBC says:
"And here's the median net worth of USA Families based on the age of the head of household:
Age 35 or younger: $11,100.
Age 35-44: $59,800.
Age 45-54: $124,200.
Age 55-64: $187,300.
Age 65-74: $224,100.
Age 75 or older: $264, 800."
Another link:
[URL]https://www.stlouisfed.org/~/media/Files/PDFs/HFS/20160525/papers/Lerman-paper.pdf[/URL]
This paper is a bit old but the data presented in various tables shows (a) married households and married households w / children tend to be 3 to 5 times richer than households headed by unmarried / singles. Home ownership follows a similar pattern.
All these media stories about FIRE etc feel good. In reality, when observing data accumulated over decades, you will see otherwise.
Anything is *possible*, especially when talking at the individual level. At the population level stratified by groups, changes are more glacial.
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/14/the-net-worth-of-the-average-american-family.html[/URL]
As CNBC says:
"And here's the median net worth of USA Families based on the age of the head of household:
Age 35 or younger: $11,100.
Age 35-44: $59,800.
Age 45-54: $124,200.
Age 55-64: $187,300.
Age 65-74: $224,100.
Age 75 or older: $264, 800."
Another link:
[URL]https://www.stlouisfed.org/~/media/Files/PDFs/HFS/20160525/papers/Lerman-paper.pdf[/URL]
This paper is a bit old but the data presented in various tables shows (a) married households and married households w / children tend to be 3 to 5 times richer than households headed by unmarried / singles. Home ownership follows a similar pattern.
All these media stories about FIRE etc feel good. In reality, when observing data accumulated over decades, you will see otherwise.
Again, you can present exceptions, say "I am single, never married, I have $10 M" - fine. Good for you. But at a group level, trends are very obvious.
I have not done the research, I am not a social scientist, I can't say why numbers showcase the above trends. Perhaps singles lose motivation to keep making huge amounts of money over time, and seek ways to splurge and have fun. Having a family responsibility is a powerful motivation to cut down on personal fun and splurging and provide for others, and you tend to work more, maximize income and savings? Work longer?
And BTW, a million dollar house may look like splurging to you but it is actually a wealth transfer from the government to the rich through a large tax break. Likewise, 401 K limits keep going up every year another $500 or $1000 and that is a big break to the wealthier strata. Many people in the sub $100 K struggle to maximize their contributions, far from it.
And while you think from the perspective of a single man, which is appropriate for this forum, the average person in the country is more like married, or divorced (with alimony and child payment responsibilities). So, all those #s you present need to account for a higher level of expense.
You can present exceptions, say "I am single, never married, I have $10 M" - fine. Good for you. But at a group level, trends are very obvious.
I am not a social scientist, I can't say why numbers showcase the above trends. Perhaps singles lose motivation to keep making huge amounts of money over time, and seek ways to splurge and have fun. Having a family responsibility is a powerful motivation to cut down on personal spend / splurging and provide for others; you tend to work more, maximize income and savings? Work longer?
And BTW, a million dollar house may look like splurging to you but it is actually a wealth transfer from the government to the wealthy through a tax break for mortgage interest. Likewise, 401 K limits keep going up every year another $500 or $1000 and that is a big break to the wealthier strata. Many people in the sub $100 K struggle to maximize their contributions, far from it. Fidelity publishes median account balances and you can see that. It is also likely the larger company 401 K matches accrue to those who are already wealthy.
And while you think from the perspective of a single man which is appropriate for this forum, the average person in the country is more likely married or divorced (with support and child payment responsibilities). So, all those #s you present need to account for a higher level of expense.
The examples you present sound Utopian: very few work diligently to accumulate $200 K by the age of 32, leave it serenely in an investment account untouched till it grows to $2 M and then retire to a low cost location. In between life happens, unexpected expenses happen, job losses happen, other crap happens and they raid the $200 K piggy bank vowing to put it back as soon as they make the money back.
If it was so easy to accumulate wealth, all the data tables would be saying so and not such sorry net worth numbers at the median for every age group.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2554013]Keeping the personal aspect of mother aside;
The rest of the items on my list: if someone already had millions, they would not live that frugal lifestyle, unless extremely miserly.
Low six figures as unmarried or even $200 K as a married couple with possibly one or two kids living normally will not cut it to become a millionaire. Here millionaire is someone who thinks they are reasonably wealthy, not about strictly having one million
BTW, lawn maintenance, fertilizer, pool maintenance etc are not luxuries. If you buy a decent house, they come with it and then unless you maintain them well, your house value degrades fast; if your lawn has weed and spreads to your neighbor's, he will pick a fight.
A woman who is making very nice money on her own will not put up w / that; it is not just keeping up w / Joneses, more a natural evolution of thinking and circumstances. You can't make these statements unless you have experienced the situation. .[/QUOTE]That mother example was not to be personal. It is just an example of numbers I know directly. There are likely hundreds of thousands of second generation immigrants who have first generation parents with much the same expense sheet.
No one is saying 1 million is wealthy. It is just a milestone point. Again, this conversation started with immigrants coming over to the US. And for someone whose family had nothing, $1 million is a big milestone that certainly signals that you are not living in poverty. That's all.
Yes living that frugal sounds miserable to you and I, but that's because we grew up with certain expectations. But we are talking about people who grew up shitting outside where cleaning your ass means spraying it with a garden hose. Hell that's how I cleaned my ass up til the age of 6. Different expectations for people from different backgrounds.
To understand, you have to change the lens in which you view life. Regarding people immigrating here to make 7 figures and old first generation retirees, why are we even talking about dating upper middle class white women and home property values? Pulling upper middle class women is not the top concern for immigrants. Home depreciation is not either. Hell, we had a lawn that was 50/50 dirt and grass. There were no trimming of hedges, just a chain linked fence keeping the neighbor's pit bull from chomping on a kid's neck. First gen immigrants are not exactly dating McKaylas and Britneys with Gucci sunglasses and Patagonia vests. Hell, even if he spent the cash, social class intangibles makes that not likely anyway.
As for 200 K having to live frugal to get to millions, that's not even necessary. Literally, a 30 year old married couple making 200 K annually only needs to save 10% per year invested at a modest 7% annual return, that alone is $2,600,000 by the time they are 65. And that's not factoring any rise in income whatsoever. That's millions by saving only 10%.
Are you saying that 10% savings is too much to ask for the 200 K couple? Does that even require frugality? If you are saying it does, that's quite a truckload of bull-fertilizer.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2554017]These examples get played up in the media because they are not common and sound exotic. Many millennials are actually not in a super great situation. Many of them came into working age population in the 2008-12 time frame and did not find proper first jobs and there is a ton of research that shows that if you are unlucky to come into employee pool in a bad year, it does set you back. Of course there will be exceptions but that is the general trend.
Yes, but they are not there yet, are they? When they get to that level and still live frugally, we can have a discussion. Even as they reach half that level, their temptations will kick in and mindset will change. "Ah, I have $500 K in the bank, let me buy this or that" -- it starts with small purchases, feels good, they rationalize it and before you know it new habits are formed.[/QUOTE]Yes, due to the misfortune of being born at the wrong time, many millenials will not have reached their $1 M retirement target But working towards that target trains their "saving" muscle. And gives them an idea of what they can comfortably live on without feeling deprived. I believe the formula is to save at least 50 percent of their pre-tax income per year. So a married couple making a combined $200 K, should aim to save $100 K per year, which means trying to live on $45 K per year. Ultimately, they need to readjust to find a living standard that is sustainable over the long run: [URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/jrose/2019/04/01/heres-how-much-you-make-on-200000-income-after-taxes-in-all-50-states[/URL].
It might take them 15-20 years to hit their retirement number. That is 15-20 years of practicing a minimalist lifestyle, and I suspect by that time those money-saving habits will have become second nature, and continuing the minimalist lifestyle even after they hit their retirement number should not be an issue. Ofc, some people will do FIRE for three years, and then return to consumerism. But that will happen with any lifestyle change. To me it is sort of like saying a large portion of obese people who diet, always gain 100 percent of their weight back. It's hard to predict what will change in 15-20 years: salary stagnation, stock market, higher taxes, inflation. Like any financial plan, the couple practicing FIRE would need to continually reassess.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2554017]"Caucasians at $1 M, I could see living frugally. Seems like there are enough millennial (mostly Caucasians) attempting this for it to be classified as a movement. " -Yes, but they are not there yet, are they? When they get to that level and still live frugally, we can have a discussion. Even as they reach half that level, their temptations will kick in and mindset will change. "Ah, I have $500 K in the bank, let me buy this or that" -- it starts with small purchases, feels good, they rationalize it and before you know it new habits are formed.[/QUOTE]I'm a millennial. I have that much in the bank (well, not in cash just sitting and depreciating). I still live pretty frugal. Not van-life but a modest sub $200 K house in a blue collar neighborhood in a southern city with a car worth less than $10 K.
Small sample size, but two of the three people involved in this sub-thread meet these conditions yet live very frugal. You know anything about that yourself McA? How much is your rent again? Cheap bastard, LOL.
I think this string of posts where things like lawn maintenance expense is deemed anything more than a luxury just reinforces my opinion regarding the financial priorities of various socio-economic demographics. I'm not even saying that American-born people need to live like frugal immigrants. I'm just saying that the opportunities Americans are afforded makes it pretty easy for people with non-American lifestyle expectations to make a comfortable life for themselves. You don't have to live off of $15 K, that's just an old world mindset of previous generations, but their habits are passed on to their children and some frugality remains instinctual. I suspect that is one reason why many native-born Americans never become financially secure. Without the third world thirst but instilled with first world spending norms and expectations, they spend on things deemed necessities when to the really impoverished populations, those are still luxuries.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2553964]RE: Not having first world habits and ability to delay instant gratification. This type of financial discipline can also be deployed by immigrants to save money for their luxury purchases. Eat nothing but instant noodles and have six roommates, then purchase the latest iPhone, or luxury watch, purse, used-BMW. So it can be both extremes of frugal and frivolous. Although this would usually be immigrants (aged 20-40) who still crave social status. Senior citizen immigrants stop caring at some point.[/QUOTE]Good point, some immigrant cultures can be very materialistic also. But just like black American culture, buying $150 Jordans is a drop in the bucket compared the cost of $2000 per month for putting your kid in the fancy day care.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2553964]Point is, immigrants still find a way to "flex" back home. In the old days, that was just building a big house near all the shacks. Now it is via social media.[/QUOTE]Funny how the reverse flex can be seen today with the millennial's minimalist, travel lifestyle Instagram account.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2553964]Migrant workers who work in a rich country and send money back home are probably the ultimate money-saving hack. Since they are transient it makes no sense to accumulate material possessions. So they can live in a high-wage city, then share cramped quarters with their countrymen to offset the high-rent. Food can also be purchased in bulk to cut costs. Just make a trip to Frankfurt main station and you can see this immigrant communal mindset at work: old Sprinter vans with Romanian license plates, workers trying to get a ride back home or to their next job location in Western Europe, people picking up sending packages. The difficulty for the migrant is just figuring out how to safely and cheaply get their cash back home.[/QUOTE]Migrants take that shit to a whole other level. Then again, I've recently spent a week sleeping in a Korean spa with a sleep room for $30 per day rather than opting for a $100/ night hotel room. #ContractWorkerLife.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2553953]GT is reopening 19 May.[/QUOTE]So Swiss clubs already open. Austria in May. Are clubs in Spain already open? Czech? We're waiting on you Germany!
Are all you other vaccinated people enjoying that new third testicle? Maybe it's just a blood clot growing in my groin.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2554023]UK, south African and Brazilian were not born in continental Europe, when they did spread elsewhere before spreading and killing in our continent. And not sure vaccines are now efficient versus these mutants.[/QUOTE]No one here can know this. Just like Rocky mentioned, the variants are only named after the locale from which they were discovered. Links to adequate efficacy of vaccines to those variants (although perhaps less efficacious) have already been pasted despite the poster's repeated claims suggesting otherwise.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2553959]Take a look at what is happening in India and see what happens when you let the number of cases go up uncontrollably.[/QUOTE]As was expected?
They tried restrictions in India at the start of this. But result was pretty much that more people died due to the restrictions than from covid. Just have a look at how crowded public transport is in India! People died walking 400 miles back to their village due to starvation because the busses weren't allowed to run. And they needed food because there were no basic income checks.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2553987]And the Brazilian?[/QUOTE]First analyzed by Mursenary and BigB in their high tech offices on top of the World Trade Center.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2554053]Take a look at France and see what's happens when you implement lockdowns.
Unemployment up, national debt way up, bankruptcies up, mental health problems up and COVID-19 related deaths way up.
That's what we call an epic failure.
I can't believe that some idiots want the Indians to starve to death.[/QUOTE]Most central banks around the world have already increased the money supply in advance of massive UBI checks in February, March and April. Next week Biden will be the first to usher it in in the USA. Not like that guy is anything more than a puppet. He can't even walk up stairs. I guess in Scandinavia we've had some sort of that for awhile. But it will be different with UBI. Most central banks are hiding their M1, M2 etc figures now. But you can find US and Japanese figures for example. Expect the same in France and India. And then it will calm down. Food production and logistics can easily be automated.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2554013]BTW, lawn maintenance, fertilizer, pool maintenance etc are not luxuries. If you buy a decent house, they come with it and then unless you maintain them well, your house value degrades fast; if your lawn has weed and spreads to your neighbor's, he will pick a fight.[/QUOTE]That's an American way of thinking. In Europe, pools are absolutely not the norm. Lawn maintenance is done by the owner. By the way, private pools everywhere are also a very good way to strain the planet even more.
Thank you for confirming that you yourself agree that you are an idiot.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2553953]GT is reopening 19 May.[/QUOTE]They tell with FFP2 and negative test, but let s see reality for their reopening, when we can remember for Finca which never reopened or Artemis which did but later than told. They will reopen only when they will be allowed, and I don t think anything is planned yet for brothels in Austria. Massimo is our specialist on Austrian threads. Reopening was only on beginning of July on last Summer with no mutants, when we have 3 now. No mask nor test on enjoyable discovery when I won t drive for hospital atmosphere, when just waking up after operation, I say I want to go home, signing paper and leaving whatever pain I don't care about.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2554053]I can't believe that some idiots want the Indians to starve to death.[/QUOTE]The Globalist Technocratic Fascists, the INTER-National-Socialists want that! "Impfen macht Frei" is their motto, and just like 80 years ago, it's a big lie!
Look at the National-Socialists and their "science" from the 1930's. Back then it was called "Eugenics," and the Germans referred to it as "Racial Hygiene" and just like in 2021, the Germans firmly believed it! They swallowed this new "science," hook, line and sinker! [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics[/URL].
They even had real "doctors" and "studies" to support their absurd claims: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele[/URL].
Then came the DDR and communism, and again "science" replaced common sense, because the "old-fashioned" laws of demand and supply were to be replaced with the "science" which was called "Central Planning. " We all know how good communism was for the world, just look at the bankrupt USSR, DDR, and look at the millions of deaths in Stalin's, Pol Pot's and Mao's concentration camps!
Now we're heading for the next "-ism" and again all the dumb people blindly follow the propaganda and the "science."
So we've had Das Kapital from Karl Marx, we've had Mein Kampf from Adolf-you-know-who, and now we have "Ze fourz Industrial Refoluzion" by Klaus Schwab!
Every time it's those fucking Germans, and every time the not-so-bright blindly follow it "because it's different this time."
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554124]So Swiss clubs already open. Austria in May. Are clubs in Spain already open? Czech? We're waiting on you Germany!
Are all you other vaccinated people enjoying that new third testicle? Maybe it's just a blood clot growing in my groin.[/QUOTE]Nobody know yet for Austria, even I m pretty sure on Summer. If You believe what tell brothels. Like nobody know for Germany. 7 clubs are open in Switzerland but not ZH which is main Swiss brothel, some also in Spain. Vaccine won t be enough but also negative test and maybe also quarantine, when You can still spread when vaccined and not even sure efficient versus mutants.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2554160]That's an American way of thinking. In Europe, pools are absolutely not the norm. Lawn maintenance is done by the owner. By the way, private pools everywhere are also a very good way to strain the planet even more.[/QUOTE]Depends where you live. Where I live, it's raining 2.5 meters a year in average, so no water shortages at all.
Also, with good desalination everywhere, it wouldn't be much of a problem. However, I do read about chloride supply issues, but I'm sure there are workarounds there too! As in not using such a terribly toxic solution that is. I instantly think of lazers, or lazer raptors!
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554126]No one here can know this. Just like Rocky mentioned, the variants are only named after the locale from which they were discovered. Links to adequate efficacy of vaccines to those variants (although perhaps less efficacious) have already been pasted despite the poster's repeated claims suggesting otherwise.[/QUOTE]Even I know not exact science, but how could UK, south african and brazilian start in continental EU but didn t spread, but made UK and Brazil out of control before UK started to spread on continent only after Christmas and new year, when UK and London were out of control before. Never heard Johnson nor Bolzonaro telling they were sent by EU, when You can ask all Western EU citizens about killer gifts received. When You ask about German brothels, You should ask Germans, not few here of course, but all those who think about more than 80 000 deaths and I don t think opening brothels would be the best point to be elected, when Angela is trying, before retiring, to make federal government stronger for laws, versus landers. Why I think, even if we have very warm Summer, even Bavaria bought not allowed by EU sputnik, but doubtful for reopening before elections, and if Bavarian is elected, when he showed his actions to improve his lander safety, I m not sure he will support much this business where most money go abroad or in the dark for washing machine, with not much employment for Germans and bad image for Germany being a big brothel. Why do You come to Germany? For quality of life to spend holidays? I m honest: just for brothels and speed, nothing more and I would not spend my holidays in Germany when I go to Italy or Spain, as I go now to Switzerland also only for brothels, for sure not for speed, only exception being Verbier, only paying around 60 CHF for my 4 valleys ski pass starting at 11 am, enough time for 6 hours, when I can t walk anymore when I finish my extreme runs, just falling in car and leaving.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2554190]The Globalist Technocratic Fascists, the INTER-National-Socialists want that! "Impfen macht Frei" is their motto, and just like 80 years ago, it's a big lie!
Look at the National-Socialists and their "science" from the 1930's. Back then it was called "Eugenics," and the Germans referred to it as "Racial Hygiene" and just like in 2021, the Germans firmly believed it! They swallowed this new "science," hook, line and sinker! [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics[/URL].
They even had real "doctors" and "studies" to support their absurd claims: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele[/URL].
Then came the DDR and communism, and again "science" replaced common sense, because the "old-fashioned" laws of demand and supply were to be replaced with the "science" which was called "Central Planning. " We all know how good communism was for the world, just look at the bankrupt USSR, DDR, and look at the millions of deaths in Stalin's, Pol Pot's and Mao's concentration camps!
Now we're heading for the next "-ism" and again all the dumb people blindly follow the propaganda and the "science."
So we've had Das Kapital from Karl Marx, we've had Mein Kampf from Adolf-you-know-who, and now we have "Ze fourz Industrial Refoluzion" by Klaus Schwab!
Every time it's those fucking Germans, and every time the not-so-bright blindly follow it "because it's different this time."[/QUOTE]This must be sarcasm. I refuse to believe someone of adult age can be this whacked!
[QUOTE=Pistons;2554135]As was expected?
People died walking 400 miles back to their village due to starvation because the busses weren't allowed to run. And they needed food because there were no basic income checks.[/QUOTE]Yes, this sounds believable. The world is full of people going on 400 miles walking trips back home, without planning to stop somewhere for rest and food.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2554190]The Globalist Technocratic Fascists, the INTER-National-Socialists want that! "Impfen macht Frei" is their motto, and just like 80 years ago, it's a big lie!
Look at the National-Socialists and their "science" from the 1930's. Back then it was called "Eugenics," and the Germans referred to it as "Racial Hygiene" and just like in 2021, the Germans firmly believed it! They swallowed this new "science," hook, line and sinker! [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics[/URL].
They even had real "doctors" and "studies" to support their absurd claims: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele[/URL].
Then came the DDR and communism, and again "science" replaced common sense, because the "old-fashioned" laws of demand and supply were to be replaced with the "science" which was called "Central Planning. " We all know how good communism was for the world, just look at the bankrupt USSR, DDR, and look at the millions of deaths in Stalin's, Pol Pot's and Mao's concentration camps!
Now we're heading for the next "-ism" and again all the dumb people blindly follow the propaganda and the "science."
So we've had Das Kapital from Karl Marx, we've had Mein Kampf from Adolf-you-know-who, and now we have "Ze fourz Industrial Refoluzion" by Klaus Schwab!
Every time it's those fucking Germans, and every time the not-so-bright blindly follow it "because it's different this time."[/QUOTE]All well and good but have you been to the US recently? Capitalism seems to be going downhill real fast and China seems to be doing ok. A scholarly analysis of this would be appreciated.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2554077]Anything is *possible*, especially when talking at the individual level. At the population level stratified by groups, changes are more[/QUOTE]Conversation started with "immigrants, easy to get to 7 figures. "
Data resulting from American bad habits with luxury spending and credit culture does not changed that saving 10-20% of 100 K-200 K is pretty easy for people without bad American spending habits.
Just because the average American doesn't do it, doesn't mean it is hard. The Average American also can't even point to Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, or. Vietnam on a map (nations we've spent decades in military conflict). I don't think that means it is a hard task.
[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-6289667/The-U-S-vs-Europeans-interactive-test-shows-Americans-really-ARENT-good-geography.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2554190]The Globalist Technocratic Fascists, the INTER-National-Socialists want that! "Impfen macht Frei" is their motto, and just like 80 years ago, it's a big lie![/QUOTE]The sky is falling. Everyone to the bomb shelter.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2554174]They tell with FFP2 and negative test, but let s see reality for their reopening, when we can remember for Finca which never reopened or Artemis which did but later than told. They will reopen only when they will be allowed, and I don t think anything is planned yet for brothels in Austria. Massimo is our specialist on Austrian threads. Reopening was only on beginning of July on last Summer with no mutants, when we have 3 now. No mask nor test on enjoyable discovery when I won t drive for hospital atmosphere, when just waking up after operation, I say I want to go home, signing paper and leaving whatever pain I don't care about.[/QUOTE]Even with mask, negative test, vaccine, all this will change what? It is just impossible to stay safe with a prostitute they have too many risky contacts, even the girl is vaccinated, she will be able to transmit the covid, and what about the protection from the new variants? I will not meet a prostitute until the things have cool down strongly, I don t want to get sick and taking the risk of a long covid. One of my daughters friends got the covid 6 months back in Paris, she is 32, no smoking, no drinking, extremely active but still have some minor symptoms like 1 day fever, feeling tired for 1 or 2 days.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2554171]Thank you for confirming that you yourself agree that you are an idiot.[/QUOTE]Thank you for confirming that you yourself agree that you are an idiot by making such childish and stupid ad hominem attacks.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2554160]That's an American way of thinking. In Europe, pools are absolutely not the norm. Lawn maintenance is done by the owner. By the way, private pools everywhere are also a very good way to strain the planet even more.[/QUOTE]There are many who mow their own lawn here too. Not everyone has private pools but many do. And yes, mindsets, lifestyles, safety nets, etc. Are different -- nothing wrong with that. Whatever works for a given individual / family. No reason to pass judgements.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554099]That mother example was not to be personal. It is just an example of numbers I know directly. There are likely hundreds of thousands of second generation immigrants who have first generation parents with much the same expense sheet.
No one is saying 1 million is wealthy. It is just a milestone point. Again, this conversation started with immigrants coming over to the US. And for someone whose family had nothing, $1 million is a big milestone that certainly signals that you are not living in poverty. That's all.
Yes living that frugal sounds miserable to you and I, but that's because we grew up with certain expectations. But we are talking about people who grew up shitting outside where cleaning your ass means spraying it with a garden hose. Hell that's how I cleaned my ass up til the age of 6. Different expectations for people from different backgrounds.
To understand, you have to change the lens in which you view life. Regarding people immigrating here to make 7 figures and old first generation retirees, why are we even talking about dating upper middle class white women and home property values? Pulling upper middle class women is not the top concern for immigrants. Home depreciation is not either. Hell, we had a lawn that was 50/50 dirt and grass. There were no trimming of hedges, just a chain linked fence keeping the neighbor's pit bull from chomping on a kid's neck. First gen immigrants are not exactly dating McKaylas and Britneys with Gucci sunglasses and Patagonia vests. Hell, even if he spent the cash, social class intangibles makes that not likely anyway..[/QUOTE]We are digressing into strange tunnels here.
Your original statement was that it was easy to become wealthy in a generation or half gen. I can't bother to find the exact words but that was the gist of it.
That actually implies that the American dream is alive and well. My claim is that it is not. And even if the dream was alive it was always difficult to move into wealth brackets in a generation and doubly more so these days.
The examples I gave with regards to lawn and fertilizers are just personal examples -- the broader point is that as income and wealth levels move up, normal people spend more. The concept of consumer spend being tied to wealth is well researched and accepted by economists. For a long time, Fed did not take into account stock market levels in setting their policy decisions but of late, they are very cognizant of this. They used to look at unemployment rates, wages / hour, hours worked etc and not as much on wealth levels, but now there is broad recognition that societal wealth impacts spending.
So, my point was that any couple, whether first gen immigrants or those trace to Mayflower, as their wealth increases and their self assessment of their own financial security increases, they begin spending more. You can look down on them as Karens or what have you (again and again, you seem fine with dissing and dispensing your own brand of discrimination and ridicule while still invoking the virtues of woke), but that is just the societal norm. And your personal example of having a million bucks in the bank and still living in frugality is just an outlier. The links I included clearly show that wealth is strongly correlated to marital status in the US.
The increased propensity to spend as their incomes and wealth goes up is a natural phenomenon and that acts as a self imposed break in saving more. Yes, they can sock away 10%, yes, they can get to a million by the age of 65 but they won't even think they are wealthy, far from it.
A lot of educated working professionals (especially if both spouses work and make good money) find themselves in upper brackets of income levels by the age of 40. Here is one link:
[URL]https://dqydj.com/top-one-percent-united-states/[/URL]
$530 K for a couple and $360 K for a single person takes them to the top 1% income wise. But if they get there, they will find that it is much much tougher to accumulate the $11 M to make it to the 1% net worth bracket. I think the churn in the top 1% or top 10% of the income bracket is much higher than the churn in the top 1% net worth bracket, which still has a lot of old money.
You can give all kinds of hypothetical examples but numbers are numbers. If people making 200 grand or 150 grand could easily vault into wealth levels, it would show up in numbers.
BTW, these anecdotal examples of immigrants are misleading, even if you find personal connections there. My observation is that there are vast disparities between them. The Korean, Chinese, Indian immigrant who comes to the US to study Computer Science at Georgia Tech or Austin, goes back to native land to bring an equally qualified spouse will surely do well in life even if that guy legitimately came here with $100 in pocket. That $100 is meaningless because he came equipped with a completed degree in CS which is worth millions in NPV already. The taxi driver in NYC (before Uber) or the stowaway smuggled and doing bonded labor in Chinese restaurants do not find any such upwards mobility regardless of how much they save. And in any case, in a country of 330 million, focusing on just a few million immigrant outliers is not sensible.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2554077]And BTW, a million dollar house may look like splurging to you but it is actually a wealth transfer from the government to the rich through a large tax break. Likewise, 401 K limits keep going up every year another $500 or $1000 and that is a big break to the wealthier strata. Many people in the sub $100 K struggle to maximize their contributions, far from it.
[/QUOTE]A mortgage tax break is just a write off for the interest amount you owe isn't it? It just means the interest portion of your debt is untaxed. You're still paying more in interest than the taxes you save, hence net negative. I fail to see how that is a wealth transfer.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2554101]Yes, due to the misfortune of being born at the wrong time, many millenials will not have reached their $1 M retirement target But working towards that target trains their "saving" muscle. And gives them an idea of what they can comfortably live on without feeling deprived. I believe the formula is to save at least 50 percent of their pre-tax income per year. So a married couple making a combined $200 K, should aim to save $100 K per year, which means trying to live on $45 K per year. Ultimately, they need to readjust to find a living standard that is sustainable over the long run: [URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/jrose/2019/04/01/heres-how-much-you-make-on-200000-income-after-taxes-in-all-50-states[/URL].
It might take them 15-20 years to hit their retirement number. That is 15-20 years of practicing a minimalist lifestyle, and I suspect by that time those money-saving habits will have become second nature, and continuing the minimalist lifestyle even after they hit their retirement number should not be an issue. Ofc, some people will do FIRE for three years, and then return to consumerism. But that will happen with any lifestyle change. To me it is sort of like saying a large portion of obese people who diet, always gain 100 percent of their weight back. It's hard to predict what will change in 15-20 years: salary stagnation, stock market, higher taxes, inflation. Like any financial plan, the couple practicing FIRE would need to continually reassess.[/QUOTE]There is some misfortune in being born at the wrong time but they also had the super great fortune to be born in a booming time when the US stock market had a 40 year bull run and unemployment never went into double figures with the exception of a few months in 2009. Compared to their EU counterparts especially in Spain, Italy and other places, American millennials don't have that much to complain about.
No, the misfortune is that they fixated on the wrong lessons of housing bubble and stock market debacles and reduced their risk tolerance. Loss aversion is normal to many investors particularly after a big blow up but millennials seemed to have it in excess. As a result, they did not benefit as much as they could have had; no one knows the future, but it is probably unlikely that the next 20 to 30 years will be as kind as the last 40 have been.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2554230]All well and good but have you been to the US recently? Capitalism seems to be going downhill real fast and China seems to be doing ok. A scholarly analysis of this would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]At least capitalism in its old form.
Squeezed between global warming, covid-19 and increased automation due to IT and AI technology, old capitalism is pretty much done with!
It's game over. And there are plenty of good reasons for stealing us that way also.
Oil supply is just the start of a whole bunch of reasons why. Planned obsolescence as an intrinsic part of capitalism in a finite world is perhaps even more of a reason. And then you have wars, inequality (and thus racism), etc etc. All side effects to old capitalism.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2554160]That's an American way of thinking. In Europe, pools are absolutely not the norm. Lawn maintenance is done by the owner. By the way, private pools everywhere are also a very good way to strain the planet even more.[/QUOTE]Believe me, that's not universally American. Most Americans don't have pools, lawn guys, and house cleaners. Throwing random guesses but those luxuries are enjoyed by 10% at best.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2554247]Your original statement was that it was easy to become wealthy in a generation or half gen. I can't bother to find the exact words but that was the gist of it.[/QUOTE]Actual Statement:
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2551339]The focus on assets is fine, but that's actually the easiest part which can be built in a single generation; in the US, it's still relatively easy to go from $0 immigrant to 7 figure net worth in half a lifetime. Hell, you can do it in less than a decade.
[/QUOTE]I just said that asset acquisition is still relatively easy in the United States using the example of an immigrant going from $0 to seven figure net worth.
You took it upon yourself to impose the superfluous definitions of wealthy, true wealth, top 1%, dating white women, and the subsequent yada yada yada of assumptions.
Boom.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2554243]Thank you for confirming that you yourself agree that you are an idiot by making such[b] childish and stupid ad hominem attacks.[/b][/QUOTE]Is this a case of trolling or lack of self awareness? Either way, boring redundant, and unoriginal.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2554220]Even I know not exact science, but how could UK, south african and brazilian start in continental EU but didn t spread, but made UK and Brazil out of control before UK started to spread on continent only after Christmas and new year, when UK and London were out of control before. Never heard Johnson nor Bolzonaro telling they were sent by EU, whe\[/QUOTE]Word of advice, people stop reading your post after 3 lines or so. It's bad writing form, even if written in French. You can help by using correct punctuation or paragraphs. Fix it and maybe I'll respond.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554249]A mortgage tax break is just a write off for the interest amount you owe isn't it? It just means the interest portion of your debt is untaxed. You're still paying more in interest than the taxes you save, hence net negative. I fail to see how that is a wealth transfer.[/QUOTE]Because it lowers your effective borrowing rate. And the higher income bracket people are borrowing larger amounts at below market effective rates. On average, over the long term, housing prices rise in tandem w / nominal GDP rates (real GDP + inflation) and if you are able to buy an asset that appreciates at that rate and pay for it w / below the market borrow rate, it is a wealth transfer especially if that is also your primary residence. The larger the house, the more amount you borrow at a tax advantaged rate.
The catch is to not borrow an amount that you can't keep making the payments on and go into foreclosure. But for the ones who can afford to, there is no question it is a nice little scheme.
Light at the end of the tunnel for Amerikaner mongers.
[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9510375/Vaccinated-American-tourists-allowed-visit-Europe-summer.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2554017]These examples get played up in the media because they are not common and sound exotic. [/QUOTE]Of course you are right in your 5 or so latest posts. But discussing with people like the nurse won't get you anywhere. He only reads headlines, and has 0 IQ when it comes to financials and money.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2554222]Yes, this sounds believable. The world is full of people going on 400 miles walking trips back home, without planning to stop somewhere for rest and food.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/12-year-old-walks-150-km-from-telangana-to-her-chhattisgarh-home-dies-of-exhaustion-1669297-2020-04-21[/URL]
[URL]https://www.news18.com/news/india/the-last-walk-migrant-worker-dies-after-walking-for-miles-to-reach-home-in-tamil-nadu-amid-lockdown-2563719.html[/URL]
I'm so tired here on ISG sometimes discussing. So many in here are completely lost and have zero clue as to even make a simple Google search. And absolutely no awareness when it comes to analytics given the scales of unregistered data.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2554221]This must be sarcasm. I refuse to believe someone of adult age can be this whacked![/QUOTE]Politically motivated. Straight political. His positions consistently and predictably aligns with the same political leaning, without deviation.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2554240]Even with mask, negative test, vaccine, all this will change what? It is just impossible to stay safe with a prostitute they have too many risky contacts, even the girl is vaccinated, she will be able to transmit the covid, and what about the protection from the new variants? I will not meet a prostitute until the things have cool down strongly, I don t want to get sick and taking the risk of a long covid. One of my daughters friends got the covid 6 months back in Paris, she is 32, no smoking, no drinking, extremely active but still have some minor symptoms like 1 day fever, feeling tired for 1 or 2 days.[/QUOTE]Many visits in Austria, Switzerland and Germany on reopening on 2020 and except pleasure with some beauties, I didn't feel anything else. If FFP2 and negative test, I won't drive for hospital atmosphere, but if only my private data to give, then no problem for me to go to work hard to find a beauty for my standards, but I also need foods to enjoy sex, I don't dream good when hungry.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554331]Is this a case of trolling or lack of self awareness? Either way, boring redundant, and unoriginal.[/QUOTE]Hahahah, my little stalker just can't resist the urge to comment every post I make on this site. It's pathetic to see how you got no life, intelligence, humor or self awareness at all. You're 40 years old and still act like a little child.
Anyways, get a friend, a job and stop trolling this site.
Vaccine labo business: EU bought AZ 2 € per dose, maybe why we received later, but no rush for it now. Pfizer sold 22 € per dose to Israel, 16 € to US and 15,5 € to EU, maybe why also arrived later in EU. When Pfizer tell now for third dose and yearly after for mutants, they are selling a very good business.
Covid made private swimming pools becoming a good business in France, now number 3 in the world for such small country, kind of standard for level of life.
[QUOTE=Clodius1;2554339]Light at the end of the tunnel for Amerikaner mongers.
[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9510375/Vaccinated-American-tourists-allowed-visit-Europe-summer.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Maybe with negative test and quarantine. Let's wait, when EU situation need to protect, when new Indian mutant now. Vaccined don't mean not spreading.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2554221]This must be sarcasm. I refuse to believe someone of adult age can be this whacked![/QUOTE]It's hard to debate with the sad facts of history, unless your own brain is whacked! LOL!
Look at the links I posted and do some research of your own.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554234]The sky is falling. Everyone to the bomb shelter.[/QUOTE]Yes, this is what people should have done when Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Lot came to power. Good to see that you're finally starting to realize the stupidity of your socio-economic engineering ideology!
Now hurry and go get your "Zyklon be vaccine!
[QUOTE=Clodius1;2554339]Light at the end of the tunnel for Amerikaner mongers.
[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9510375/Vaccinated-American-tourists-allowed-visit-Europe-summer.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Maybe you'll be allowed in the EU, but with the new Lockdown Laws most things in Germany (especially FKK clubs) will be closed.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2554240]Even with mask, negative test, vaccine, all this will change what? It is just impossible to stay safe with a prostitute they have too many risky contacts, even the girl is vaccinated, she will be able to transmit the covid, and what about the protection from the new variants?[/QUOTE]Exactly, and that's why FKK clubs will most probably not be opening in 2021, despite all the lies and misinformation from the CCP trolls on this forum!
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2554240]One of my daughters friends got the covid 6 months back in Paris, she is 32, no smoking, no drinking, extremely active but still have some minor symptoms like 1 day fever, feeling tired for 1 or 2 days.[/QUOTE]Fever for 1 whole day! Tired for 1-2 whole days! Wow! She's lucky she didn't die! How did I ever survive a pre-Covd1984 flu when I was feeling miserable for 1 week!? / sarc.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2554371]Hahahah, my little stalker just can't resist the urge to comment every post I make on this site. It's pathetic to see how you got no life, intelligence, humor or self awareness at all. You're 40 years old and still act like a little child.
Anyways, get a friend, a job and stop trolling this site.[/QUOTE]Yawn. Zero style points. Boring.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2554341]Of course you are right in your 5 or so latest posts. But discussing with people like the nurse won't get you anywhere. He only reads headlines, and has 0 IQ when it comes to financials and money.[/QUOTE]Hey,
Remember that time you invited me to go to Bergen, Norway and stay at your place in order to go to a Ariana Grande concert?
Fag.
[QUOTE=Clodius1;2554339]Light at the end of the tunnel for Amerikaner mongers.
[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9510375/Vaccinated-American-tourists-allowed-visit-Europe-summer.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Better to wait a little bit to see what will happen with the Indian variant, which in fact has 4 mutations and not 2, probably the vaccines will be challenged and the efficiency will strongly decrease. Israel is aware of that the reason they bought a lot of new Pfister vaccines with the new formulation.
I think this is the future of travel. Get vaccinated and you may visit, if you don't you have to stay home. Will that be extended to FKKs also?
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/european-union-let-vaccinated-americans-215851504.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554445]Hey,
Remember that time you invited me to go to Bergen, Norway and stay at your place in order to go to a Ariana Grande concert?
Fag.[/QUOTE]Wow that's so cute. Do you follow her on Instagram? Will you both wear cat ears?
[QUOTE=Turgid;2554462]I think this is the future of travel. Get vaccinated and you may visit, if you don't you have to stay home. Will that be extended to FKKs also?
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/european-union-let-vaccinated-americans-215851504.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Before the conspiracy quacks get their moist panties bunched up:
If actually reading the article instead of the controversial headline, not just the vaccinated:
European Union countries agreed this month to launch COVID-19 travel passes that would permit people who have been vaccinated against the disease, [B]recovered from an infection or have tested negative to travel more easily.[/B].
Do your part, fight misinformation.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2554419]Yes, this is what people should have done when Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Lot came to power. Good to see that you're finally starting to realize the stupidity of your socio-economic engineering ideology!
Now hurry and go get your "Zyklon be vaccine![/QUOTE]Too late. Got it in December. The vaccine-induced third testicle is now turning 5 months old. Just in time for communist supreme leader to take the throne. Commence the construction of unnvacinnated concentration camps.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554231]Conversation started with "immigrants, easy to get to 7 figures. "
Data resulting from American bad habits with luxury spending and credit culture does not changed that saving 10-20% of 100 K-200 K is pretty easy for people without bad American spending habits.
Just because the average American doesn't do it, doesn't mean it is hard. The Average American also can't even point to Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, or. Vietnam on a map (nations we've spent decades in military conflict). I don't think that means it is a hard task.
[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-6289667/The-U-S-vs-Europeans-interactive-test-shows-Americans-really-ARENT-good-geography.html[/URL][/QUOTE]The map argument is flawed. Most Americans do not care very much for foreign countries, languages, cultures, etc. Our dominance in the economic sphere post WW2 meant that Americans' indifference to the rest of the world did not hurt them very much in their personal finances. I notice that even Europeans know a ton more about geography, culture, etc of developing countries and of course they had historical colonial ties to them.
On the other hand, almost all Americans would love to have higher net worth if they could. If they could have more self control, more financial discipline, more annual comps, they would but they don't.
A more appropriate analogy* is that most Americans would love to lose weight but can't. You can sit there and argue that losing weight is easy, staying in shape is easy but at the population level, people are getting fatter in the US and probably in most other countries.
I only brought up 1% in the context of how achieving higher annual income for a few years does not translate into higher net worth. One is an income statement issue, the other is a balance sheet issue. Achieving wealth is a marathon game while getting a fast paycheck is more akin to a sprint. The churn in the wealth ranks is slower than in annual salary ranks. For some reason, you can't seem to grasp this.
Your persistent argument that it is "easy" is not shown in any numbers. A million bucks puts a household in the top 6% of the country. You claim something that is achieved by just 6% of the country is "easy". And your timeframe keeps changing; sometimes it is decades (I. E. Accumulate $200 K in 401 K by 30's and watch it grow to a million by 60's), sometimes it is less than a decade. If you have any stats and convincing / genuine research that shows a meaningful percent of population level households are moving from nothing to millionaire status in less than a decade, you should share.
BTW, a million in 401 K is not a million. It is a tax deferred account. If you withdraw it before reaching 59 1/2, there are penalties and of course taxes to be paid in accordance to your tax bracket. When I compute my own net worth, I give a 25% to 30% haircut to my 401 K balance as I assume that will cover any future taxes I will have to pay.
I did not say anything about dating white women but did start the thread by taking a nasty dig w. r. T. Fucking white prostitutes out of anger; I admit it was nasty but you do have a history of having anger attacks against Whites. Even in the last 2 days, we keep seeing this. I took one potshot at European Moslems after a terrorist attack but your anger against whites appears more deep seated and innate.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2554462]I think this is the future of travel. Get vaccinated and you may visit, if you don't you have to stay home. Will that be extended to FKKs also?
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/european-union-let-vaccinated-americans-215851504.html[/URL][/QUOTE]I think it is too early, if in the coming months even vaccinated people get sick from the mutants specially the Indian one or even not sick but able to transmit the sick to others probably the things will change. Today only few tools are available for the leaders, mass lockdown, severe quarantine, drastic reductions of the travels which are the big driver for the spreading of the covid but all this is not acceptable on a long run or forcing the people to vaccinate even nobody knows today the potential side effects or the efficiency of the vaccines. Make the vaccinated feel they are a kind of VIP, all this will need some time to be really validated.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554442]Yawn. Zero style points. Boring.[/QUOTE]Hahah, you're just a pathetic little troll living in his mother's basement.
Maybe you should try to get a job instead of stalking me all the time?
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554445]Hey,
Remember that time you invited me to go to Bergen, Norway and stay at your place in order to go to a Ariana Grande concert?
Fag.[/QUOTE]That must have been dream in your head, because she never was here.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2554343][URL]https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/12-year-old-walks-150-km-from-telangana-to-her-chhattisgarh-home-dies-of-exhaustion-1669297-2020-04-21[/URL]
[URL]https://www.news18.com/news/india/the-last-walk-migrant-worker-dies-after-walking-for-miles-to-reach-home-in-tamil-nadu-amid-lockdown-2563719.html[/URL]
I'm so tired here on ISG sometimes discussing. So many in here are completely lost and have zero clue as to even make a simple Google search. And absolutely no awareness when it comes to analytics given the scales of unregistered data.[/QUOTE]Wow, you must be the king of extrapolations if you base your apocalyptic claims on two cases.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2554417]It's hard to debate with the sad facts of history, unless your own brain is whacked! LOL!
Look at the links I posted and do some research of your own.[/QUOTE]It's not the links you posted but your parallels with Nazism that is insulting and disrespectful to all those who suffered from those horrible times (including one of my ancestors). It's also confusing as Trump supporters go hand-in-hand with racist fascist groups, which the mushroom-dick-shape-tiny-hands former president even refused to condemn openly: 'Stand back and Stand by'!
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4160-Rants-and-WTF-are-you-talking-about-and-Coronavirus!&p=2554330&viewfull=1#post2554330[/URL]
Now, after settling my actual words (see above), I would be happy to tackle your other point of the American Dream.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2554247]Your original statement was that it was easy to become wealthy in a generation or half gen. I can't bother to find the exact words but that was the gist of it.
That actually implies that the American dream is alive and well. My claim is that it is not. And even if the dream was alive it was always difficult to move into wealth brackets in a generation and doubly more so these days.
$530 K for a couple and $360 K for a single person takes them to the top 1% income wise. But if they get there, they will find that it is much much tougher to accumulate the $11 M to make it to the 1% net worth bracket. I think the churn in the top 1% or top 10% of the income bracket is much higher than the churn in the top 1% net worth bracket, which still has a lot of old money.
You can give all kinds of hypothetical examples but numbers are numbers. If people making 200 grand or 150 grand could easily vault into wealth levels, it would show up in numbers.[/QUOTE]Is the American Dream alive? That depends on your definition of American dream. Is the American dream to vault into the top 1%? Or even top 10%? If so, I agree that it is not very easy, native-born, immigrant, indentured servant, whatever. Obtaining elite levels of wealth is pretty hard for anyone.
I however, don't think that is the "American Dream" for most people. While having more wealth and assets than you know what to do with would be nice, most people just want to be comfortable without having to worry much about the future.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2554247]So, my point was that any couple, whether first gen immigrants or those trace to Mayflower, as their wealth increases and their self assessment of their own financial security increases, they begin spending more. You can look down on them as Karens or what have you (again and again, you seem fine with dissing and dispensing your own brand of discrimination and ridicule while still invoking the virtues of woke), but that is just the societal norm. And your personal example of having a million bucks in the bank and still living in frugality is just an outlier.
BTW, these anecdotal examples of immigrants are misleading, even if you find personal connections there. My observation is that there are vast disparities between them. The Korean, Chinese, Indian immigrant who comes to the US to study Computer Science at Georgia Tech or Austin, goes back to native land to bring an equally qualified spouse will surely do well in life even if that guy legitimately came here with $100 in pocket. That $100 is meaningless because he came equipped with a completed degree in CS which is worth millions in NPV already. The taxi driver in NYC (before Uber) or the stowaway smuggled and doing bonded labor in Chinese restaurants do not find any such upwards mobility regardless of how much they save. And in any case, in a country of 330 million, focusing on just a few million immigrant outliers is not sensible.[/QUOTE]Yes I am an outlier, sort of. While I am technically a first generation immigrant, I immigrated pretty early, early enough to enjoy the benefits of American resources and the upward mobility it provides. Many of my second generation peers, who benefited from the sacrifice of their first gen parents, are likely doing the same if not better than me. They might still not make up the majority, but I'd dare say, make up a substantial number more representative than my outlier case. Not that I am even doing all that well compared to many of them.
Some differences exist in culture of origin, say Mexican immigrants coming over to be laborers with less entrepreneurial intent. But how many businesses are opened by Asian immigrants? How much of that is hoarded as cash or sent to their home countries, never even to be reported as net worth? Alternatively, Western European immigrants more often come over with professional backgrounds; however, they seem to retain more old world frugality and credit-aversion than native-born Americans. You can see easily see the trend of various cultures in Table 1 of the following article:
[URL]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1g5rEu5Dzw6kq_OiuZOnve0kyA0xCl4Qt/view?usp=sharing[/URL]
European immigrants put the native-born American to shame. Chinese, Indian, and Japanese immigrants also outperform. Some cultures however lag behind, say Cubans, Mexicans, Islanders. The Vietnamese presents a whole other set of variables with the shady practices and money laundering practices. But even accounting for those people, how many of them are much better off financially by immigrating to the United States?
While you certainly have a point that becoming part of the elite class of wealth is extremely difficult, I vehemently disagree that the American dream is dead. But perhaps that depends on your definition of the American Dream. Being in the top 1% is certainly not one of mine and I doubt is the realistic goal of most people.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554445]Hey,
Remember that time you invited me to go to Bergen, Norway and stay at your place in order to go to a Ariana Grande concert?
Fag.[/QUOTE]Brothels friends among jealousy leading to bullshits, so laughable, when I prefer so much people I meet in my mountains, because there, only passion, no bullshits because you would be ridiculous, you are able or not.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2554462]I think this is the future of travel. Get vaccinated and you may visit, if you don't you have to stay home. Will that be extended to FKKs also?
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/european-union-let-vaccinated-americans-215851504.html[/URL][/QUOTE]For sure, EU need tourism, but when EU is not able yet to control about at least 3 mutants and worrying Indian killer now, so EU have to protect better and each country can decide for its own safety, like Bavarian closed borders. Not in EU, but ZH land for everything for money, closed since 6 months, and when famous Globe knows how to deal with money, could be called how to use corruption in Romania, but famous Globe, number 1 in Switzerland, is closed since beginning of December, when only closed for 3 months on first wave, showing now is much more complicated than under original Chinese from pangolins. Negative test and quarantine seem minimum to protect our safety.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2551339]Playing the game is the most important factor for the middle 80 percent of the world's people. It's pretty damn important for most of the human race; reality, facts. The focus on assets is fine, but that's actually the easiest part which can be built in a single generation; in the US, it's still relatively easy to go from $0 immigrant to 7 figure net worth in half a lifetime. Hell, you can do it in less than a decade..[/QUOTE]I see that you prefer to continue on the path of native-born Americans and wealth. Point remains, this started with my original quote stating that it is still [B]relatively[/B] easy to go from $0 [B]immigrant[/B] to seven figures in support of the opportunities that America provides. Key words immigrants and relatively. Relative to what? Logically, relative to their home countries. Is that fact being contested?
I'll keep posting my original statement as a reminder that all following discussions are not part of my original contested assertion until proven otherwise, so long as this mini thread continues. It's still better than the political tunnel driven and quasi science, superficial knowledge signaling seen by the same weirdo cast.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2554479]The map argument is flawed. Most Americans do not care very much for foreign countries, languages, cultures, etc. Our dominance in the economic sphere post WW2 meant that Americans' indifference to the rest of the world did not hurt them very much in their personal finances. I notice that even Europeans know a ton more about geography, culture, etc of developing countries and of course they had historical colonial ties to them.[/QUOTE]This is a minor side point but I'll bite. Your reasoning sounds like a weak excuse for American ignorance. My original post pointed to the fact that less than 50% of Americans can point to Iran, Afghanistan, and Iraq on a map. The fact that we have been fighting in wars in those countries for the past four decades should bring some geographic familiarity. I'm thinking that the economic powerhouse excuse is a load of shit. But if you're willing to excuse it, go ahead, lower your bar for our countrymen.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2554479]On the other hand, almost all Americans would love to have higher net worth if they could. If they could have more self control, more financial discipline, more annual comps, they would but they don't.
A more appropriate analogy* is that most Americans would love to lose weight but can't. You can sit there and argue that losing weight is easy, staying in shape is easy but at the population level, people are getting fatter in the US and probably in most other countries.
Your persistent argument that it is "easy" is not shown in any numbers. A million bucks puts a household in the top 6% of the country. You claim something that is achieved by just 6% of the country is "easy". And your timeframe keeps changing; sometimes it is decades (I. E. Accumulate $200 K in 401 K by 30's and watch it grow to a million by 60's), sometimes it is less than a decade. If you have any stats and convincing / genuine research that shows a meaningful percent of population level households are moving from nothing to millionaire status in less than a decade, you should share.[/QUOTE]You are certainly correct with your statistics of median net worth. There is no need for me to produce countering numbers as I also believe them to be true. The average American net worth is much less than what they should be if the goal is to acquire seven digits worth of assets.
But is that your measure of easy? That the average person does it?
Point is, easy is subjective. I think it is easy. Apparently you don't. You associate easy to mean average people will do it. I think average people are lazy. Hold yourself to whatever standard you choose for easy.
Whatever your opinion, I assume you would agree that it is easy compared to an immigrant's home country. Please tell me if I assumed wrong.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2554479]I only brought up 1% in the context of how achieving higher annual income for a few years does not translate into higher net worth. One is an income statement issue, the other is a balance sheet issue. Achieving wealth is a marathon game while getting a fast paycheck is more akin to a sprint. The churn in the wealth ranks is slower than in annual salary ranks. For some reason, you can't seem to grasp this.
[/QUOTE]Okay? I get that just fine. Not sure the point of that but sure, wealth and income are different things, agreed.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2554479]BTW, a million in 401 K is not a million. It is a tax deferred account. If you withdraw it before reaching 59 1/2, there are penalties and of course taxes to be paid in accordance to your tax bracket. When I compute my own net worth, I give a 25% to 30% haircut to my 401 K balance as I assume that will cover any future taxes I will have to pay.[/QUOTE]401 Ks just like IRAs come in 2 forms, taxed and taxed deferred, just like traditional and Roth IRAs. With Taxed 401 Ks you pay the income tax for your current year and pay ZERO dollars when you withdraw, minus the employer contribution which is taxed. You come from a higher tax bracket, and similar to your other points, you make your points based on what you know. You are likely making more now than you would withdraw in your retirement, hence your instinct to only consider tax deferred 401 K accounts. To others making less now, they would benefit more from the tax breaks in their golden years, assuming that they withdraw more in retirement then than they are making now.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2554479]I did not say anything about dating white women but did start the thread by taking a nasty dig w. r. T.[QUOTE=Pessimist;2553831]No Caucasian woman would put up living on $15 K annual total if you have millions in the bank. None that I know of. And as I said, it does not matter if they already own their house -- there are still fixed expenses (Unless they bought a small studio apartment which was paid off and taxes / insurance etc are miniscule).[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]Again, the record shows otherwise. Or did you mean something else when you said "no Caucasian woman would put up living on 15 K. Please please please correct me if I'm wrong. Perhaps you just brought up Caucasian women randomly just for the hell of it.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2554479]Fucking white prostitutes out of anger; [/QUOTE]Considering your recent quoting errors, I'd like to see where I said that? Perhaps you are lumping all Asians together and lumping my quotes in with Mr. Ho's punish-a-ho posts?
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2554479]I admit it was nasty but you do have a history of having anger attacks against Whites. Even in the last 2 days, we keep seeing this. I took one potshot at European Moslems after a terrorist attack but your anger against whites appears more deep seated and innate.[/QUOTE]Again, I question the validity of your claim. I cross reference my posts with the word "white" and "Caucasian. " I did not see any blasphemous comments towards white people. Sure I routinely talk shit about backwards rednecks and native-born Americans being lazy. Is that what hit close to home?
I even saw posts that denigrated the liberal media for unfairly calling white people the "oppressor" during last summers riots.
There was that one post that questioned if you were a dorky, old white guy. If that is the source of vitriol, my sincerest apologies.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2554562]Brothels friends among jealousy leading to bullshits, so laughable, when I prefer so much people I meet in my mountains, because there, only passion, no bullshits because you would be ridiculous, you are able or not.[/QUOTE]You do realize that there are people on this forum who met in brothels and remain real friends years later right? Wait, what am I thinking, of course you wouldn't know.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2554506]Hahah, you're just a pathetic little troll living in his mother's basement.
Maybe you should try to get a job instead of stalking me all the time?[/QUOTE]Yawn. Keep at it big guy.
Try a thesaurus, 5 bucks on Amazon:
[URL]https://www.amazon.com/Merriam-Webster-Thesaurus/dp/0877798508[/URL]
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2554497]I think it is too early, if in the coming months even vaccinated people get sick from the mutants specially the Indian one or even not sick but able to transmit the sick to others probably the things will change. Today only few tools are available for the leaders, mass lockdown, severe quarantine, drastic reductions of the travels which are the big driver for the spreading of the covid but all this is not acceptable on a long run or forcing the people to vaccinate even nobody knows today the potential side effects or the efficiency of the vaccines. Make the vaccinated feel they are a kind of VIP, all this will need some time to be really validated.[/QUOTE]We're all shocked that is your opinion.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2554464]Wow that's so cute. Do you follow her on Instagram? Will you both wear cat ears?[/QUOTE]I know right?
Made a mistake though, he actually wanted me to go see Ellie Goulding with him. Ariana Grande was one of his other gay outings in Oslo a couple of months later.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2554535]Wow, you must be the king of extrapolations if you base your apocalyptic claims on two cases.[/QUOTE]Right.
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-52086274[/URL]
This time, hundreds of thousands of migrant workers are desperately trying to return home in their own country. Battling hunger and fatigue, they are bound by a collective will to somehow get back to where they belong. Home in the village ensures food and the comfort of the family, they say.
Others on the road included a five-year-old boy who was on a 700 km (434 miles) journey by foot with his father, a construction worker, from Delhi to their home in Madhya Pradesh state in central India. "When the sun sets we will stop and sleep," the father told journalist Barkha Dutt. Another woman walked with her husband and two-and-a-half year old daughter, her bag stuffed with food, clothes and water. "We had a place to stay but no money to buy food," she said.
Then there was Rajneesh, a 26-year-old automobile worker who walking 250 km (155 miles) to his village in neighbouring Uttar Pradesh. It would take him four days, he reckoned. "We will die walking before coronavirus hits us," the man told Ms Dutt.
He was not exaggerating. Last week, a 39-year-old man on a 300 km (186 miles) trek from Delhi to Madhya Pradesh complained of chest pain and exhaustion and died; and a 62-year-old man, returning from a hospital by foot in Gujarat, collapsed outside his house and died. Four other migrants, turned away at the borders on their way to Rajasthan from Gujarat, were mowed down by a truck on a dark highway.
Google it and you will find maybe a thousand hits mentioning different cases.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2554535]Wow, you must be the king of extrapolations if you base your apocalyptic claims on two cases.[/QUOTE][URL]https://scroll.in/latest/957570/covid-19-lockdown-man-collapses-dies-halfway-while-walking-home-300-km-away-from-delhi[/URL]
Thousands of migrant workers have been trying to get home, with many of them attempting to cross state borders, amid the 21-day lockdown imposed to curb the spread of the novel coronavirus. Many of them have died. While the deaths of at least 22 such migrants are documented, the actual number might be much more.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554549][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4160-Rants-and-WTF-are-you-talking-about-and-Coronavirus!&p=2554330&viewfull=1#post2554330[/URL]
Now, after settling my actual words (see above), I would be happy to tackle your other point of the American Dream.
Is the American Dream alive? That depends on your definition of American dream. Is the American dream to vault into the top 1%? Or even top 10%? If so, I agree that it is not very easy, native-born, immigrant, indentured servant, whatever. Obtaining elite levels of wealth is pretty hard for anyone.
I however, don't think that is the "American Dream" for most people. While having more wealth and assets than you know what to do with would be nice, most people just want to be comfortable without having to worry much about the future.
Yes I am an outlier, sort of. While I am technically a first generation immigrant, I immigrated pretty early, early enough to enjoy the benefits of American resources and the upward mobility it provides. Many of my second generation peers, who benefited from the sacrifice of their first gen parents, are likely doing the same if not better than me. They might still not make up the majority, but I'd dare say, make up a substantial number more representative than my outlier case. Not that I am even doing all that well compared to many of them..[/QUOTE]Yes, my use of the phrase "American dream" was loosely and poorly used, should not have done that. I do think moving up the wealth ladder is a dream for most Americans; it doesn't have to be about 1% or 10%, more so about upwards mobility. Stagnation and lack of improvement do make many people feel like they are regressing. But yes, most people couldn't care about 1% or 10%, those are just stats for internet arguments.
That said, I think upwards mobility itself has become quite a bit tough. I agree with much of the analysis of Piketty, or what little I read of his work. Due to technology impact and global supply chains which imported deflation into the US, a lot of the labor in this country lost their bargaining power (especially the blue collar labor) and the owners of capital have benefited at their expense (and the lucky employees in knowledge work). I don't subscribe to Piketty's extreme progressive tax recommendations purely out of selfishness as I am already paying an obscene amount but logically he makes a good amount of sense.
I have not studied all these immigrant groups, their cultures and success rates. Being in tech and finance, I see tons of Asian and Indian types and not as much of other immigrants. In my mind, it is less a question of where they came from and more about who is coming. If the immigrant is uneducated and sneaks in illegally, s / he will find it hard to move up; those that come in legally and w / college or postgraduate degree will find good jobs, marry well and give their children good education. For whatever reason, Asian types are more in the latter bucket. Perhaps the oceans prevent them from coming here illegally. I would not attribute the success or failure of various groups to some inherent superiority / inferiority characteristics innately or culturally but the above reasons of legality / education.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2554571]For sure, EU need tourism, but when EU is not able yet to control about at least 3 mutants and worrying Indian killer now, so EU have to protect better and each country can decide for its own safety, like Bavarian closed borders. Not in EU, but ZH land for everything for money, closed since 6 months, and when famous Globe knows how to deal with money, could be called how to use corruption in Romania, but famous Globe, number 1 in Switzerland, is closed since beginning of December, when only closed for 3 months on first wave, showing now is much more complicated than under original Chinese from pangolins. Negative test and quarantine seem minimum to protect our safety.[/QUOTE]Anyone else understand that "English"? Ugh. Keep it short. Less room for error.
The WHO (who created covid, and is responsible for the vaccine efforts) has a logo. A staff with a serpent. Based off of an old Greek legend and a cult who basically worshipped snakes. And as we all know, in most religions the devil is symbolized as the snake.
Moses for example put a bronze serpent on a pole as a sign to heal those bitten because of their sins against God.
And Hezekiah later destroyed it because people started worshipping the snake on the pole as a God.
The meaning of the snake on a pole as a symbol of Satan is clear. Satanic churches knows this. But our wannabe doctors here who have been brainwashed does not.
If you follow religious history way further back you will understand the link religion has to population control, and the swap between the two sides of the story (symbolized as two brothers. Zews and Apollon, Amen and Aten, Thor and Loki, Enki and Enlil), and see the connection it has to either increasing or reducing the population.
But the world health organization is firmly on the side of the coin linked to reducing it.
Happy Tuesday! Live your lies. Move on.
And for those who were waiting for that 8% side effect source I have. Admin doesn't like it, and is censoring truth. I tried posting it a few days ago, but it's still not up.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554660]Anyone else understand that "English"? Ugh. Keep it short. Less room for error.[/QUOTE]The border between Bavaria and India is closed because of the pangolins. Crystal clear no?
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554614]I know right?
Made a mistake though, he actually wanted me to go see Ellie Goulding with him. Ariana Grande was one of his other gay outings in Oslo a couple of months later.[/QUOTE]If he takes you to see Dua Lipa send me an invitation, she's hot.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554660]Anyone else understand that "English"? Ugh. Keep it short. Less room for error.[/QUOTE]This is what happens when people never had to write an essay in school.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2554684]The WHO (who created covid, and is responsible for the vaccine efforts) has a logo. A staff with a serpent. Based off of an old Greek legend and a cult who basically worshipped snakes. And as we all know, in most religions the devil is symbolized as the snake.
Moses for example put a bronze serpent on a pole as a sign to heal those bitten because of their sins against God.
And Hezekiah later destroyed it because people started worshipping the snake on the pole as a God
Happy Tuesday! Live your lies. Move on.[/QUOTE]Of course.
And don't forget 'snakes on a plane', it's obvious.
And 'Anaconda' with Jon Voight. Who is the father of Angelina Jolie.
Who plays Lara croft. The fall of ancient civilizations. Everything is crystal clear now!
[QUOTE=Pistons;2554684]The WHO (who created covid, and is responsible for the vaccine efforts) has a logo. A staff with a serpent. Based off of an old Greek legend and a cult who basically worshipped snakes. And as we all know, in most religions the devil is symbolized as the snake.
Moses for example put a bronze serpent on a pole as a sign to heal those bitten because of their sins against God.
And Hezekiah later destroyed it because people started worshipping the snake on the pole as a God.
The meaning of the snake on a pole as a symbol of Satan is clear. Satanic churches knows this. But our wannabe doctors here who have been brainwashed does not.
If you follow religious history way further back you will understand the link religion has to population control, and the swap between the two sides of the story (symbolized as two brothers. Zews and Apollon, Amen and Aten, Thor and Loki, Enki and Enlil), and see the connection it has to either increasing or reducing the population.
But the world health organization is firmly on the side of the coin linked to reducing it.
Happy Tuesday! Live your lies. Move on.[/QUOTE]There is so much trolling in here it's amusing. On Greek mythology related points, maybe read up about snakes in Greek mythology and Asklepios. And Apollo is the son of Zeus. This is so lazy.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554607]You do realize that there are people on this forum who met in brothels and remain real friends years later right? Wait, what am I thinking, of course you wouldn't know.[/QUOTE]Who came to the other at LR? Did I? And even when I discover, I'm able to decide on my own. When I started in Germany, some claimed specialists told me: we will explain you, but when I looked at them, I thought: no interest because we can't live same experience. When I feel really different in brothels, I don t need friends there, when unfortunately for me, many guys need to come to speak to me, some even made me miss some girls, when I don t need to speak with guys, when I go to dream with beauties. Only them worth my attention. I prefer my sports friends, speaking and sharing about our passion, so much more interesting. Do you think you could be interesting level for me, from your so pathetic Sharks story? When I was just amazed from a medical. Whatever bullshits about me, but no girl will never tell you such story, nor like your French bald friend here, about me. But each one own level of course.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2554457]Better to wait a little bit to see what will happen with the Indian variant, which in fact has 4 mutations and not 2, probably the vaccines will be challenged and the efficiency will strongly decrease. Israel is aware of that the reason they bought a lot of new Pfister vaccines with the new formulation.[/QUOTE]Good points. It will be interesting to see if the Indien variant is unable to spread into EU and US because it is "crowded out" by UK variant. I'm not a STIM guy, obviously. Incidentally, it's not just the Pfizer / Indien at play here. There is also the J&J and AZ in the mix. Thanks China.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554614]I know right?
Made a mistake though, he actually wanted me to go see Ellie Goulding with him. Ariana Grande was one of his other gay outings in Oslo a couple of months later.[/QUOTE]Really weird again. I watched Ellie Goulding here, but that was before I ever met you. I am certain, and maybe 2 years or so before Ariana Grande. Who is hot as fuck by the way, and she did have the ears on LOL. I never talked to anyone about Ellie Goulding before that concert because I didn't expect much, but she did really impressed on stage!
Maybe in hindsight I told you about Ellie Goulding, and due to you expressing some 'left out' impulses I invited you to the following year's festival. As a token to be nice, and given the context.
It started raining heavily as you can see here:
[URL]https://youtu.be/Ksq4YikRxwE[/URL]
So for the last 4 or 5 songs she just pulled off most of her clothes and started jiggling her boobs, running down to the audience and twerking.
That 2017 lineup was the strongest ever though. And I don't think they'll ever get a lineup as strong in the future ever again too!
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergenfest[/URL]
[QUOTE=RockyV;2554535]Wow, you must be the king of extrapolations if you base your apocalyptic claims on two cases.[/QUOTE]Compare all those deaths to the 2500+ daily COVID deaths in India. At least 10.000 per day according to his covid undercount estimates.
Thanks Trump (everyone can get a test) thanks Rush (just a cold) Thanks Tuckkker, Thanks Info Wars, Thanks “don’t cry for me” Bolsanaro, Thanks Michigan, Thanks Great Barrington (a declaration) Thanks US soldiers in WW 1 for the pandemic first reported by Spanish media, censored in US press. Never mentioned by Woodrow Wilson. Thanks "America's Frontline Doctors". Thanks (Boy Wonder) Jared.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2554457]Better to wait a little bit to see what will happen with the Indian variant, which in fact has 4 mutations and not 2, probably the vaccines will be challenged and the efficiency will strongly decrease. Israel is aware of that the reason they bought a lot of new Pfister vaccines with the new formulation.[/QUOTE]If a 1,3 billion people country like India is down under covid like now, when belonging to Commonwealth, then covid will always be around, whatever vaccines. Quite same risk from Brazil which is working close to Portugal and our French district Guyane. Guadeloupe with quite same weather than Miami, returned to lockdown when warm weather now, but exploding new cases. If EU don't ask for negative test made on arrival, whatever vaccine, and also quarantine for some countries, then we will have same bad Autumn from tourism than on 2020, when vaccine is to be protected, but can still spread, furthermore with mutants.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554611]Yawn. Keep at it big guy.
Try a thesaurus, 5 bucks on Amazon:
[URL]https://www.amazon.com/Merriam-Webster-Thesaurus/dp/0877798508[/URL][/QUOTE]LMFAO, it's sad to see how you have no job, no friends and spend all your time trolling on ISG.
Too bad you can't find a life for sale on Amazon.
You're a creepy little stalker.
Thanks kids (who hasn't lived over 5 lives in the past)!
[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2554795]Thanks Trump (everyone can get a test) thanks Rush (just a cold) Thanks Tuckkker, Thanks Info Wars, Thanks dont cry for me Bolsanaro, Thanks Michigan, Thanks Great Barrington (a declaration) Thanks US soldiers in WW 1 for the pandemic first reported by Spanish media, censored in US press. Never mentioned by Woodrow Wilson. Thanks "America's Frontline Doctors". Thanks (Boy Wonder) Jared.[/QUOTE]I find it funny that the least favorable opinions of China's COVID response comes from Japan and South Korea rather than Western nations.
[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/china-an-unpopular-winner-in-the-year-of-the-coronavirus/a-55413717[/URL]
Knowing that assholes like Gino and the others will not differentiate between Asian nationalities, I cringe when I hear comments like Clodius' blasting the Chinese. Ignorant people will be emboldened and will indiscriminately discriminate.
You can blame people like Trump for his inaction, misinformation, and contribution to racist behavior by the common folk (see Gino's support of banning all Asians regardless of nationality, or random assholes attacking Asian senior citizens in western nations), but China can't escape blame that it started in their country and then preceded to silence Chinese medical professionals in January. Even as the WHO was preparing to address the outbreak, China fostered a culture of secrecy that likely meant that they withheld information from international health organizations. Transparency would have at least created a sense of urgency and bought more time for contact tracing. Perhaps mass casualties in Italy and New York would not have occurred. Perhaps abrupt lockdowns could have been avoided. Perhaps this could have gone the way of MERS or SARS-1.
But facts are facts and the Chinese government made things worse than it could have been. Instead of being assholes about it, it would behoove the nation to accept responsibility. And since their economy is the only major power to not substantially suffer, I would say some financial repercussion would be in order. At the very least, they could supply vaccines for free to every nation that needs it and wants it.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554817]But facts are facts and the Chinese government made things worse than it could have been. Instead of being assholes about it, it would behoove the nation to accept responsibility. And since their economy is the only major power to not substantially suffer, I would say some financial repercussion would be in order. At the very least, they could supply vaccines for free to every nation that needs it and wants it.[/QUOTE]I thought the Chinese vaccine was discredited? I am the not a vaccine specialist, far from it, will leave it to the local cognoscenti. What I find it puzzling or strange is that China has major aspirations in healthcare, as it does in tech, finance, other sectors (not just to be self sufficient but to become world class) and yet their vaccine is seemingly worse than Sputnik from Russia, a nation which is a has been on the world stage in any economic matter and does not have any serious player / company on the world stage. The only Russian companies global investors care about are a handful of energy / mining companies, Yandex, Sberbank, and a couple.
Especially considering China is not averse to copy / stealing global IP and this virus originated in China, it is puzzling that China's vaccine is so lackluster. Is it being substandard due to lack of competence or lack of intent?
If you accept the premise China bears some / large portion of the responsibility for this debacle, being to asked to supply free vaccines (of dubious value) is not a slap on pinky toe. The amount of damage caused is beyond immense. Lives alone are in millions (official) and dozens of millions (if proper accounting / attribution were done). If a Chinese factory located in the west had poison leak and killed a thousand people, the punitive damages would exceed billions. Here, nearly 600,000 (officially) died in the US alone. Then the lost output runs into trillions. Global GDP which was expected to be say 3% or 4% per trend line instead came at negative amounts (say -4% to -7%) in major developed nations. That is a swing of nearly 8% to 10% which for a combined GDP of $50+ trillions means nearly $4 to 5 trillion output was lost.
There is no half pregnancy. If China is culpable, even to a modest degree, the damages and penalties to be paid would / should run into trillions. But the divided, toothless West will never have the cojones to stand up to China and demand a full and genuine investigation and apportionment of the blame. There is blame for sure. When millions of people die and trillions get destroyed, it did not happen because a comet hit the planet. There were very real people that led to this sorry state, in China or West, but none of them have any true intent to get to the root of this.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2554803]LMFAO, it's sad to see how you have no job, no friends and spend all your time trolling on ISG.
Too bad you can't find a life for sale on Amazon.
You're a creepy little stalker.[/QUOTE]We have life! First sliver of creativity we've seen from you yet. Good job little Shoe! You'll get there!
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2554865]I thought the Chinese vaccine was discredited? I am the not a vaccine specialist, far from it, will leave it to the local cognoscenti. What I find it puzzling or strange is that China has major aspirations in healthcare, as it does in tech, finance, other sectors (not just to be self sufficient but to become world class) and yet their vaccine is seemingly worse than Sputnik from Russia, a nation which is a has been on the world stage in any economic matter and does not have any serious player / company on the world stage. The only Russian companies global investors care about are a handful of energy / mining companies, Yandex, Sberbank, and a couple.[/QUOTE]Their vaccine is apparently pretty weak, not that I keep up with it all that closely. Poor efficacy is likely due to their choice of vaccine vector, inactivated viral vectors. China's Bio sector is anything but innovative so mRNA was not even an option for them unless they partnered with a western company. Why they chose to use an inactivated virus as the vector rather than live viral vectors such as JnJ, AZ, and Sputnik, I have no idea.
They seemed to talk pretty tough during the Alaska summit with the US a couple of months ago so you're probably right that they have zero intent for any reparations of any sort.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2554758]Who came to the other at LR? Did I? And even when I discover, I'm able to decide on my own. When I started in Germany, some claimed specialists told me: we will explain you, but when I looked at them, I thought: no interest because we can't live same experience. When I feel really different in brothels, I don t need friends there, when unfortunately for me, many guys need to come to speak to me, some even made me miss some girls, when I don t need to speak with guys, when I go to dream with beauties. Only them worth my attention. I prefer my sports friends, speaking and sharing about our passion, so much more interesting. Do you think you could be interesting level for me, from your so pathetic Sharks story? When I was just amazed from a medical. Whatever bullshits about me, but no girl will never tell you such story, nor like your French bald friend here, about me. But each one own level of course.[/QUOTE]Aw, you think that when someone speaks to you and acts polite, that they are your friend? How cute. And sad. Mostly sad. Glad my little small talk with you about hookers in a hooker club was so memorable for you.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2554746]There is so much trolling in here it's amusing. On Greek mythology related points, maybe read up about snakes in Greek mythology and Asklepios. And Apollo is the son of Zeus. This is so lazy.[/QUOTE]Lazy and full of error. Typical conspiracy theorist.
Yep, Zews (sic) is the father of Apollo. But maybe some weird Norwegian incestuous practice lead to Zews (sic) boning his mother and out came Brother-Son Apollo sporting a Viking horned helmet, the mark of incest.
And since when did the snake represent the devil in most religions? Is he aware of the world outside of Europe where most religions viewed snakes as symbols of fertility, rebirth, transformation, healing, and eternity.
With Greek mythology predating the Old Testament, I'm pretty sure the Greeks revered the rebirth symbolism before they apparently started worshiping Satan.
Who's surprised. The same guy still thinks that France is a Catholic country.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2554865]I thought the Chinese vaccine was discredited? I am the not a vaccine specialist, far from it, will leave it to the local cognoscenti. What I find it puzzling or strange is that China has major aspirations in healthcare, as it does in tech, finance, other sectors (not just to be self sufficient but to become world class) and yet their vaccine is seemingly worse than Sputnik from Russia, a nation which is a has been on the world stage in any economic matter and does not have any serious player / company on the world stage. The only Russian companies global investors care about are a handful of energy / mining companies, Yandex, Sberbank, and a couple.
Especially considering China is not averse to copy / stealing global IP and this virus originated in China, it is puzzling that China's vaccine is so lackluster. Is it being substandard due to lack of competence or lack of intent?
If you accept the premise China bears some / large portion of the responsibility for this debacle, being to asked to supply free vaccines (of dubious value) is not a slap on pinky toe. The amount of damage caused is beyond immense. Lives alone are in millions (official) and dozens of millions (if proper accounting / attribution were done). If a Chinese factory located in the west had poison leak and killed a thousand people, the punitive damages would exceed billions. Here, nearly 600,000 (officially) died in the US alone. Then the lost output runs into trillions. Global GDP which was expected to be say 3% or 4% per trend line instead came at negative amounts (say -4% to -7%) in major developed nations. That is a swing of nearly 8% to 10% which for a combined GDP of $50+ trillions means nearly $4 to 5 trillion output was lost.
There is no half pregnancy. If China is culpable, even to a modest degree, the damages and penalties to be paid would / should run into trillions. But the divided, toothless West will never have the cojones to stand up to China and demand a full and genuine investigation and apportionment of the blame. There is blame for sure. When millions of people die and trillions get destroyed, it did not happen because a comet hit the planet. There were very real people that led to this sorry state, in China or West, but none of them have any true intent to get to the root of this.[/QUOTE]100 years ago, during the so called Spanish flu pandemic Spanish people were killed but nobody can tell you today that the flue originated from Spain, now you again want to blacklist China. Advise you to get some better knowledge about copy in China, if you want to sell your product in China you need to pass the CCC and to do so you need to provide all the technical data from your product including raw materials.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554817]I find it funny that the least favorable opinions of China's COVID response comes from Japan and South Korea rather than Western nations. [/QUOTE]I find it funny that the only favourable opinions about the Chinese response (lockdowns & a fascist police state) come from CCP trolls and born-again-Green-neo-communists. LOL!
[URL]https://www.rt.com/uk/522300-british-tenders-marshals-long-covid/[/URL]
[QUOTE]The tender strongly implies what ministers have so far been unwilling to concede – the global pandemic isn’t anywhere near over yet, resultant lockdowns are likely, and citizens’ lives will continue to be adversely affected far beyond the foreseeable future.[/QUOTE]Folks, this "plandemic" is far from over!
Why do you think the German government passed a new lockdown law last week? Because there is light at the end of the tunnel and they are confident that this "vaccine" will successful against a fast-mutating Corona virus? WRONG, think again!
To all the brave (and not so bright) vaxxxed Guinea Pigs out there: enjoy you "vaccine" and enjoy your "new freedoms" (old pre-2020 civil liberties), because by autumn your new "new freedoms" will be declared "NUL and void" again due to the next batch of mutations and we'll be in another lockdown.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2554967][URL]https://www.rt.com/uk/522300-british-tenders-marshals-long-covid/[/URL]
Folks, this "plandemic" is far from over!
Why do you think the German government passed a new lockdown law last week? Because there is light at the end of the tunnel and they are confident that this "vaccine" will successful against a fast-mutating Corona virus? WRONG, think again!
To all the brave (and not so bright) vaxxxed Guinea Pigs out there: enjoy you "vaccine" and enjoy your "new freedoms" (old pre-2020 civil liberties), because by autumn your new "new freedoms" will be declared "NUL and void" again due to the next batch of mutations and we'll be in another lockdown.[/QUOTE]I like that you often quote RT, it says a lot about you. Putins megaphone can always be relied on to spread disinformation.
It will not happen in the next few weeks, but over the summer as vaccination picks up speed, numbers will go down, like in UK or Israel. And then things will open up. Slowly people with a corona pass will get to live a more normal life. The antivaxxers will need to provid PCR tests whenever they wish to travel by plane, go to a concert or a football game. Let's see how dedicated you remain for how long.
At some point the virus will become endemic. As more people are vaccinated or recover from an infection, the less dangerous new variants will become. We will get probably yearly booster shots, similar to the flu shots.
Unfortunately for Asian or African countries travel restrictions will remain until vaccinations pick up in those areas, that I agree could take years.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554890]Their vaccine is apparently pretty weak, not that I keep up with it all that closely. Poor efficacy is likely due to their choice of vaccine vector, inactivated viral vectors. China's Bio sector is anything but innovative so mRNA was not even an option for them unless they partnered with a western company. Why they chose to use an inactivated virus as the vector rather than live viral vectors such as JnJ, AZ, and Sputnik, I have no idea.
They seemed to talk pretty tough during the Alaska summit with the US a couple of months ago so you're probably right that they have zero intent for any reparations of any sort.[/QUOTE]There is a biologics firm called Wuxi Bio in China that has a market value of $60 B. For reference, Biontech's value is $42 B.
Sinopharm is at $10 B value. Innovent Bio has $17 B value. Innocare, Livzon are valued between $5 to $10 B. Jiangsu Hengrui is valued at nearly $70 B but I don't think they are pureplay drug development or how much of their sales come from original molecules.
There are at least another 10 to 15 firms in China which are valued in the billions of dollars by the market.
Yes, Chinese vaccines were not expected to be competitive against PFE / Biontech or Moderna but that they are worse than Sputnik is what surprises me. From what I little I know, it is made by some research institute in Russia, I. E. Not even a private sector company but by Soviet style labs. I have no idea what quality of research is done in these labs; I suppose at some point they might have been good. I can't imagine they pay their researchers that well and anyone smart enough would migrate or seek something better. Yet, they seem to be besting the Chinese vaccine considering the amount of money that is thrown at Chinese bio tech firms by investors.
BTW, Biontech is worth $42 B NOW. After their product has proven to be the very best. At the time they embarked on this research a year ago, it was valued at less than $10 B and primarily for their cancer work as I understood. In contrast, the Chinese firms were highly valued even a year ago, were richly funded and money was no object if they wanted to develop a functioning vaccine.
Again, I doubt very much that China ever wanted to truly develop a functioning vaccine. Their urgency might have been much higher if they were looking at a nationwide calamity as most countries have been facing for a year.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2554929]100 years ago, during the so called Spanish flu pandemic Spanish people were killed but nobody can tell you today that the flue originated from Spain, now you again want to blacklist China. Advise you to get some better knowledge about copy in China, if you want to sell your product in China you need to pass the CCC and to do so you need to provide all the technical data from your product including raw materials.[/QUOTE]I have been investing in Chinese (HK and also A shares) for several years. But I thank you for bringing us the CCP talking points.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2554462]I think this is the future of travel. Get vaccinated and you may visit, if you don't you have to stay home. Will that be extended to FKKs also?
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/european-union-let-vaccinated-americans-215851504.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Did you get your CDC card laminated yet? I wonder how many countries will accept it as an acceptable Covid passport. I did not hear if the US has any plans of actually issuing a real Covid passport. Probably unlikely. That requires a nationwide effort, a separate bureaucracy, yadda yadda not to mention this vaccine officially has an expiration of a year. Most likely, the CDC card is it (which does not have even your picture on it and hence is not much of an ID, but it is something).
Anyway, even if US travelers are accepted in DE, not sure how many will be rushing. Their situation is now worse than here. All the travel related businesses (airlines, Visa / Mastercard, etc) are saying regional travel is opening up -- intra Europe, US to LatAM corridor, etc. Speaking for myself, I will go only if the FKKs are functioning, normal, and girls quality / service is reasonably near pre covid levels. Otherwise, I have no interest in visiting Europe for tourism purpose on my own or w / family (and speaking of FKK visits, the big problem for me is still how to come up with believable stories to leave home for extended periods).
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2554967][URL]https://www.rt.com/uk/522300-british-tenders-marshals-long-covid/[/URL]
Folks, this "plandemic" is far from over!
Why do you think the German government passed a new lockdown law last week? Because there is light at the end of the tunnel and they are confident that this "vaccine" will successful against a fast-mutating Corona virus? WRONG, think again!
To all the brave (and not so bright) vaxxxed Guinea Pigs out there: enjoy you "vaccine" and enjoy your "new freedoms" (old pre-2020 civil liberties), because by autumn your new "new freedoms" will be declared "NUL and void" again due to the next batch of mutations and we'll be in another lockdown.[/QUOTE]You and me have known this for a long time m8! But true, it is fun to finally rub it into the heads of our brainwashed audience full of wannabes here.
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/26/bill-gates-on-when-he-thinks-the-world-will-be-back-to-normal.html[/URL]
I just hope that our beautiful Romanian and Bulgarian girls will be fine throughout all of this.
On tiktok ericryanericryan has some funny videos on this just now.
Our little cute Thai American nurse travels 400 kilometers for work, living in a single male bohemian cave watching porn all day long while smoking pot. Every time we met a white guy, he always told me afterwards how he hated the guy. Including 5+ white guys here on the forum. Since he grew up in savanna where his Thai mom got stuffed full by an Italian dude all throughout his youth. I can imagine certain psychological traits were acquired after that pointed at Europeans.
Sad emotional story. Reminded me of that story in Altered Carbon of the main character when he was young. Hiding in a closet with his sister.
That is perhaps also why he never really grew a cock. Because he was afraid of really going inside someone.
Or perhaps he really was ment to be born as a girl, but at the end, a tiny penis grew a few cm. As if mother nature was in a limbo until the very end. And FKK girls tell stories about this and of what an easy room with him really means.
He doesn't attend FKKs to be with girls, because sex for him is terrible. He has this hobby to make friends. A real loner. I felt sorry for him and tried to invite him that one time I suppose.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554817]I find it funny that the least favorable opinions of China's COVID response comes from Japan and South Korea rather than Western nations.
[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/china-an-unpopular-winner-in-the-year-of-the-coronavirus/a-55413717[/URL]
Knowing that assholes like Gino and the others will not differentiate between Asian nationalities, I cringe when I hear comments like Clodius' blasting the Chinese. Ignorant people will be emboldened and will indiscriminately discriminate.
You can blame people like Trump for his inaction, misinformation, and contribution to racist behavior by the common folk (see Gino's support of banning all Asians regardless of nationality, or random assholes attacking Asian senior citizens in western nations), but China can't escape blame that it started in their country and then preceded to silence Chinese medical professionals in January. Even as the WHO was preparing to address the outbreak, China fostered a culture of secrecy that likely meant that they withheld information from international health organizations. Transparency would have at least created a sense of urgency and bought more time for contact tracing. Perhaps mass casualties in Italy and New York would not have occurred. Perhaps abrupt lockdowns could have been avoided. Perhaps this could have gone the way of MERS or SARS-1.
But facts are facts and the Chinese government made things worse than it could have been. Instead of being assholes about it, it would behoove the nation to accept responsibility. And since their economy is the only major power to not substantially suffer, I would say some financial repercussion would be in order. At the very least, they could supply vaccines for free to every nation that needs it and wants it.[/QUOTE]Not racist amigo. I live in a predominantly Asian community. We have Vietnamese, Koreans, Japanese, Burmese, and Chinese from Taipei and Hong Kong here. My reference to China has nothing to do with race. Maybe I will call them the ChiComs hereon out for clarity's sake.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554928]Lazy and full of error. Typical conspiracy theorist.
Yep, Zews (sic) is the father of Apollo. But maybe some weird Norwegian incestuous practice lead to Zews (sic) boning his mother and out came Brother-Son Apollo sporting a Viking horned helmet, the mark of incest.
And since when did the snake represent the devil in most religions? Is he aware of the world outside of Europe where most religions viewed snakes as symbols of fertility, rebirth, transformation, healing, and eternity.
With Greek mythology predating the Old Testament, I'm pretty sure the Greeks revered the rebirth symbolism before they apparently started worshiping Satan.
Who's surprised. The same guy still thinks that France is a Catholic country.[/QUOTE]Ok, Apollon and Artemis. It was not even key to my post, thus the parenthesis.
As I also wrote in my post, the question weather or not the snake is evil, is flipped around like a coin. To control population numbers. In China for example the emperor is born off a dragon (serpent), probably referring to a penis. That's the story, I know all of that. But it just means they wanted to control the population.
The rebirth and transformation link fits 100% well to my population control story. But you are not wise enough to understand this. I know.
The old testament is probably older than Greek mythology. The old testament is based on sumerian religion, or was written alongside, or even before akadian and sumerian, and Greek is based on egyptian mythology. The only reason I mentioned Greek is because of Asklepios (or how it was spelled) and the symbol. But the sekt he was part of, and of course they have a narrative to advocate it, took inspirations from old times past. Older religions. And it was one of the false God's as referred to in the Genesis.
[URL]https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://scholar.csl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi%3Farticle%3D1068%26context%3Dmdiv&ved=2ahUKEwjlnJjf16HwAhWRlIsKHaPiA_EQFjALegQIChAC&usg=AOvVaw08tEm5PpFgza7UPrUAEdSY[/URL]
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554885]We have life! First sliver of creativity we've seen from you yet. Good job little Shoe! You'll get there![/QUOTE]Ehrm, aren't you the guy who make gay "jokes"? Well, you're not funny nor "creative" and I couldn't care less about the opinion of a friendless, jobless little troll like you.
You're an immature little loser.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2554967][URL]https://www.rt.com/uk/522300-british-tenders-marshals-long-covid/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Really funny from someone who is so obsessed by commies to use sources from Russia Today. Russia, land of the freedom of the press, where medias are not controlled by the government.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554894]Aw, you think that when someone speaks to you and acts polite, that they are your friend? How cute. And sad. Mostly sad. Glad my little small talk with you about hookers in a hooker club was so memorable for you.[/QUOTE]You came to ask, because you were just not able on your own and needed advice to choose a girl. I remember one here telling me on Summer 2015 at Sharks, Karin was Spanish, what she told him, so I went to her and she was Romanian for me after 1 minute. If I believed what he told me, I would not have gone to such wow beauty and missed pleasure when we repeated, as usual. Even in Spain, I don't go with Spanish girls. In brothels I heard from many guys about girls, but never such story than yours, and you really didn't impress me, knowing quite well the girl and her behavior, going daily out of Sharks, she might need to go for something. I mean else than going to sleep.
The narrative about Asklepios is that they killed the snakes and hung up the snakeskin. Then they prayed to God for forgiveness for the sins they had committed. As if having sex is sinfull. The snake being the penis (of course). So this serpent sekt really was anti-sex, anti-life and thus for population control / reduction.
As I already wrote: Greek mythology came from old Egyptian mythology. And in old Egypt they used to cut the cocks off of their enemies after battle, and they used the penises as symbols of how many they had killed. Just like the dead snake on the pole by Asklepios.
The idea that having sex is sinful, and needs God's forgiveness is also found in old sumerian. Where Enki, who made mankind was sent to a tribunal infant of An along with the first human able to reproduce: Adama. Who of course had received the first penis. And they lost the tribunal. An and his court sentenced Enki and Adama to eternal life on earth along with Enki's fellow criminals who helped giving humans the ability to reproduce. The fallen angels of the scriptures.
So it really is a symbol of the dead snake on the stick, or on the pole. So they want to reduce the human population in front of An (or YHWH or whatever you call him). I think YHWH or the use of An is usually just a title, or the name of the extraterrestrial court that sentenced Enki and his helpers alongside Adama and humanity.
PaulinZurich: how is that for research? Took me 3 minutes to write down, since I know this for a long time. And much more.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2554794]Compare all those deaths to the 2500+ daily COVID deaths in India. At least 10.000 per day according to his covid undercount estimates.[/QUOTE]I never wrote that it was worse than covid. But all you manage to do it lying and taking everything out of context.
But those deaths, in addition to stories of how they didn't always have food for them back in the villages was something I linked to the resistance in India regarding the most advanced lockdown measures. It was part of what lies behind the political choices made.
But I never expected much brainpower from you in understanding this anyway.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2554645]I have not studied all these immigrant groups, their cultures and success rates. Being in tech and finance, I see tons of Asian and Indian types and not as much of other immigrants. In my mind, it is less a question of where they came from and more about who is coming. If the immigrant is uneducated and sneaks in illegally, s / he will find it hard to move up; those that come in legally and w / college or postgraduate degree will find good jobs, marry well and give their children good education. For whatever reason, Asian types are more in the latter bucket. [/QUOTE]Indian households earn more than ethnic group in the USA. But that is partly due to the fact the immigration process is extremely selective, so only the most talented are being selected to leave India. But if India becomes the next China, then your next Satya Nadella (Microsoft) or Sundar Pichai (Google) will have less reason to leave India. For same reasons, Nigerian diaspora live in Western countries is also extremely successful.
[QUOTE]Increasingly, whether or not Nigerians are successful in the west depends on their ability to meet tough visa requirements, and afford the fees and living costs to travel abroad to work and study. That creates a hyper-selective population of high achievers, who pass their ambition on to their children, says Onoso Imoagene, associate professor at New York University and author of Beyond Expectations: Second-Generation Nigerians in the United States and Britain. Those who are poorly-skilled are more likely to take illegal routes out of the country. Often they are unable to get beyond Africa or if they do make it to Europe, they work in unskilled jobs.
https://www.ft.com/content/ca39b445-442a-4845-a07c-0f5dae5f3460.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2554645]Perhaps the oceans prevent them from coming here illegally. I would not attribute the success or failure of various groups to some inherent superiority / inferiority characteristics innately or culturally but the above reasons of legality / education.[/QUOTE]Low-skilled Mexican laborers illegally cross the border to enter the USA, but these same immigrants wouldn't be able to "sneak" into Spain. In fact, most Mexicans in Spain are white-collar. Venezuelans and Colombians are more numerous in Spain but are lower on the socio-economic ladder than the Mexicans: [URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/446225/number-of-immigrants-into-spain-by-nationality/[/URL].
In both USA and France, 60-65 percent of legal immigration falls under "family reunification". Meaning each immigrant usually sponsors 3-4 family members. If the immigrant is highly-skilled and educated, chances are his children will also be high-achievers. Young immigrant children are able to easily to pick up the language, whereas teenagers and adult immigrants will struggle with language and may fall between the cracks.
[URL]https://immigrationforum.org/article/fact-sheet-family-based-immigration/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/961541/reasons-for-migration-france/[/URL]
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2555052]Really funny from someone who is so obsessed by commies to use sources from Russia Today. Russia, land of the freedom of the press, where medias are not controlled by the government.[/QUOTE]In Russia the tax rate is 15% for incomes over 5 million rubles, oh the Russian "commies"! LMFAO!
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2555067]Indian households earn more than ethnic group in the USA. But that is partly due to the fact the immigration process is extremely selective, so only the most talented are being selected to leave India. But if India becomes the next China, then your next Satya Nadella (Microsoft) or Sundar Pichai (Google) will have less reason to leave India. For same reasons, Nigerian diaspora live in Western countries is also extremely successful.[/QUOTE]Well, not sure I agree on your quote regarding Indian diaspora in western countries. Mainly usa probably. Indian and Pakistani diaspora in much of Europe came as textile workers in the 1970's, and are thus hardly very wealthy. Only the recent wave of Indian IT personnel hired to work for 1/3 of the salary given to professional locals. And that is the main reason we see this immigration from certain countries today's aside from immigrant crisis. They ask for lower wages, and its a way for the employers to fool the labor system and pay less in wages. Unfortunately then also creating prejudice related to immigrants taking local jobs.
When it comes to Nigerians and Somali for example in Europe, they seem to high skilled when in usa, but in Europe they are extremely high on the criminal statistics. Especially related to drug crimes. Probably because they can reach Europe by land. Much like Mexicans in USA. And then because some of the criminals arrive in Europe, the more educated don't want to feel that baggage, so they opt to travel to USA instead.
And as you say, Latinos in europe are usually well educated and mix in very well. And probably the group in Europe aside from NA and Oceania with the least amount of prejudice against them.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2555084]In Russia the tax rate is 15% for incomes over 5 million rubles, oh the Russian "commies"! LMFAO![/QUOTE]Russia might not be a communist country but sure as hell is not a free country. You guys are all about shouting "the government is taking away our freedom" but then you admire Putin. What is it with all these "freedom" people that they need to have a big daddy to worship?
[QUOTE=Pistons;2555037]Our little cute Thai American nurse travels 400 kilometers for work, living in a single male bohemian cave watching porn all day long while smoking pot. Every time we met a white guy, he always told me afterwards how he hated the guy. Including 5+ white guys here on the forum. Since he grew up in savanna where his Thai mom got stuffed full by an Italian dude all throughout his youth. I can imagine certain psychological traits were acquired after that pointed at Europeans.
Sad emotional story. Reminded me of that story in Altered Carbon of the main character when he was young. Hiding in a closet with his sister.
That is perhaps also why he never really grew a cock. Because he was afraid of really going inside someone.
Or perhaps he really was ment to be born as a girl, but at the end, a tiny penis grew a few cm. As if mother nature was in a limbo until the very end. And FKK girls tell stories about this and of what an easy room with him really means.
He doesn't attend FKKs to be with girls, because sex for him is terrible. He has this hobby to make friends. A real loner. I felt sorry for him and tried to invite him that one time I suppose.[/QUOTE]Sad story for past brothels friends, just confirming me really not places to make friends, but only worth for me to enjoy girls on our own standards if we are able to find, then should be easy, fast and with no consequences game, but few need consequences with a prostitute, and many are more interested by other guys than by women, even they are at work, when the woman part is the most attractive for my desire. Really bullshit and jealousy land.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2555054]PaulinZurich: how is that for research? Took me 3 minutes to write down, since I know this for a long time. And much more.[/QUOTE]Bravo, you learned yesterday that Zeus is not Artemis. After all, Zeus was only the most powerful god. That is progress for you, well done.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2555084]In Russia the tax rate is 15% for incomes over 5 million rubles, oh the Russian "commies"! LMFAO![/QUOTE]So you define "freedom" based on how low the taxes are? Do you even know what freedom means?
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2555015]There is a biologics firm called Wuxi Bio in China that has a market value of $60 B. For reference, Biontech's value is $42 B.
Sinopharm is at $10 B value. Innovent Bio has $17 B value. Innocare, Livzon are valued between $5 to $10 B. Jiangsu Hengrui is valued at nearly $70 B but I don't think they are pureplay drug development or how much of their sales come from original molecules.
There are at least another 10 to 15 firms in China which are valued in the billions of dollars by the market.
Again, I doubt very much that China ever wanted to truly develop a functioning vaccine. Their urgency might have been much higher if they were looking at a nationwide calamity as most countries have been facing for a year.[/QUOTE]Definitely agree that there's a strong likelihood that the CCP has less vested interest in providing the best possible product to help their people. They do have "alternate methods" that is effective for their culture. I mean, "zero" COVID deaths in North Korea!
Just speaking off the cuff as I'm not well versed in Chinese Biotech companies, but my first instinct is that these companies are not the world's leading innovative companies. What I mean is that there are tons of profitable biotech companies, profitable companies in general for the matter. My first job out of undergrad was with a small 30 employee company that churned out over $50 million in revenue. But that company was hardly innovative, as in, they didn't push current tech to higher stratospheres. Want to know how they generated most of their revenue? By taking other well known approaches and making it more cost effective. The largest contract was with the a subsidiary of the Costa Rican Ministry of Health. All we did was take already proven, establish germ lines and produced cheap antibodies that were effective enough for mass use. These third world governments could have paid 5 x the price for a Johnson and Johnson product, but our company found a niche for profit taking.
Another analogy could be Wal-Mart. They don't innovate much of anything. They hardly provide revolutionary products. But they're gangbusters at generating profit. Even as Amazon takes over the world, Walmart will continue to command an enviable position in the profit-now market.
Maybe those companies you listed have some sector-changing products down their RnD pipelines, but a quick google search of a couple of them steered me into thinking that they are profit-taking companies whose primary goal is to take current technologies and provide products and services that maximize efficiency, minimize cost, while filling logistical / supply chain voids. Who believes that China isn't a capitalist economy! Anyway, I would like to see what shares of those companies' revenue goes back into Research and Development. And by that I mean the pure idea of RnD, not the industrial engineering variety.
I will preemptively admit that my hunch is influenced by my opinion of stereotypical Chinese culture: practical and risk averse.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2554929]100 years ago, during the so called Spanish flu pandemic Spanish people were killed but nobody can tell you today that the flue originated from Spain, now you again want to blacklist China. Advise you to get some better knowledge about copy in China, if you want to sell your product in China you need to pass the CCC and to do so you need to provide all the technical data from your product including raw materials.[/QUOTE]Ironic that you bring up the Spanish Flu. While a definite site of origin remains a mystery with epidemiologist ruling out a Spanish origin with near certainty, the two leading culprits for the origin of that H1 N1 lineage were China and the United States. China has been a hot bed for influenza variants for over a century while the US theory points to poor farming and livestock practices in the American Midwest, which were often filled with Chinese migrant workers.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2554966]I find it funny that the only favourable opinions about the Chinese response (lockdowns & a fascist police state) come from CCP trolls and born-again-Green-neo-communists. LOL![/QUOTE]Funny you say that to an independent contract worker who has avoided having an employer for the better part of my adult life. Have fun with your Monday through Friday life of payroll slavery. Sally from accounting says that you will not be reimbursed for your QAnon membership dues.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2555024]Anyway, even if US travelers are accepted in DE, not sure how many will be rushing. Their situation is now worse than here. All the travel related businesses (airlines, Visa / Mastercard, etc) are saying regional travel is opening up -- intra Europe, US to LatAM corridor, etc. Speaking for myself, I will go only if the FKKs are functioning, normal, and girls quality / service is reasonably near pre covid levels. Otherwise, I have no interest in visiting Europe for tourism purpose on my own or w / family (and speaking of FKK visits, the big problem for me is still how to come up with believable stories to leave home for extended periods).[/QUOTE]At some point, the German (and other Western European governments) will have to take off their "proceed with caution" hats and recognize that while their "3rd wave" is viewed through the lens of higher infection numbers, it has not produced a corresponding number of fatalities and hospitalizations.
If they actually make that revelation, the cost benefit analysis may lead to a faster than currently expected reopening. Someone with actual credentials will sooner than later crunch the numbers and perhaps propose that the declining case fatality / infection fatality rates may be due to the larger proportion of at-risk populations being vaccinated. With UK and Israel still opening up rather slowly and methodically, the reasonably controlled situation in the practically wide open but decently vaccinated United States may serve as the model that factors vaccine efficacy with the benefits of a speedy reopening.
On this last day of my work contract, my fairly large ICU admitted our first critical COVID case in about a month. And I am currently working in one of the most restriction-free states. We've practically been open since last summer! Here's to cautious optimism. Everyone should assess their own risk profiles and those of their close loved ones, but I'm taking my vaccination card, avoid any at risk seniors, and going to wild out in Florida and Mexico next week!
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2555049]Ehrm, aren't you the guy who make gay "jokes"? Well, you're not funny nor "creative" and I couldn't care less about the opinion of a friendless, jobless little troll like you.
You're an immature little loser.[/QUOTE]Damn, ya took a step back. Talk to you tomorrow!
[QUOTE=Pistons;2555062]I never wrote that it was worse than covid. But all you manage to do it lying and taking everything out of context.
But those deaths, in addition to stories of how they didn't always have food for them back in the villages was something I linked to the resistance in India regarding the most advanced lockdown measures. It was part of what lies behind the political choices made.
But I never expected much brainpower from you in understanding this anyway.[/QUOTE]Never said you did. The underlying point is whether restriction-related deaths outweigh COVID deaths in India. I don't have those numbers. Perhaps your secret network with insider information does.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2555053]You came to ask, because you were just not able on your own and needed advice to choose a girl. I remember one here telling me on Summer 2015 at Sharks, Karin was Spanish, what she told him, so I went to her and she was Romanian for me after 1 minute. If I believed what he told me, I would not have gone to such wow beauty and missed pleasure when we repeated, as usual. Even in Spain, I don't go with Spanish girls. In brothels I heard from many guys about girls, but never such story than yours, and you really didn't impress me, knowing quite well the girl and her behavior, going daily out of Sharks, she might need to go for something. I mean else than going to sleep.[/QUOTE]Glad you got an ego boast from mere small talk. Cool beans.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2555030]You and me have known this for a long time m8! But true, it is fun to finally rub it into the heads of our brainwashed audience full of wannabes here.
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/26/bill-gates-on-when-he-thinks-the-world-will-be-back-to-normal.html[/URL]
I just hope that our beautiful Romanian and Bulgarian girls will be fine throughout all of this.[/QUOTE]You have a habit of quoting articles that go against what you are arguing. Do you do that on purpose? In that case nice reverse psychology job.
So yet another article that says the opposite of what HT and you are saying. He says that there will be an end for the [B]pandemic[/B] and the end will be due to vaccines. As US reaches high vaccinations levels more doses will be available for the rest of the world.
So US and EU will get closer to normal, the rest of the world will follow in time. He might be too optimistic how soon that will happen for the rest of the world in 2022.
*BillGates* Thank you for the transfer, that will cover my services for the next month. Thank you for the documentation how to mine bitcoins using the chips from the vaccinated people in my area.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2555046]Ok, Apollon and Artemis. It was not even key to my post, thus the parenthesis.
As I also wrote in my post, the question weather or not the snake is evil, is flipped around like a coin. To control population numbers. In China for example the emperor is born off a dragon (serpent), probably referring to a penis. That's the story, I know all of that. But it just means they wanted to control the population.
The rebirth and transformation link fits 100% well to my population control story. But you are not wise enough to understand this. I know.
The old testament is probably older than Greek mythology. The old testament is based on sumerian religion, or was written alongside, or even before akadian and sumerian, and Greek is based on egyptian mythology. The only reason I mentioned Greek is because of Asklepios (or how it was spelled) and the symbol. But the sekt he was part of, and of course they have a narrative to advocate it, took inspirations from old times past. Older religions. And it was one of the false God's as referred to in the Genesis.[/QUOTE]The mistake is double embarrassing when you also spell Zeus as Zews. 'Hooked On Phonics' didn't work this time.
Lots of religions have shared mythologies but there's hardly a strong case to say that monotheistic Abrahamic religions are based on Polytheistic Mesopotamian religions. You might want to fast forward a thousand years to Zoroastrianism where monotheism and the idea of Satan first took off. You would have a better case if you said Judaism was based on Egyptian Atenism. If sharing fairy tales means "based on," you might as well say that Egyptian mythology is based on Sumerian religion. Most religions share a common flood myth. Maybe Hopi Native Americans are based on Sumer.
And let's see, if serpents represent penises, but they also represent fertility. I'm guessing they're thinking of fucking and procreating, not population control. And with the many references to snakes and fertility in nomadic native American peoples, I'm guessing population control was not a prerogative in sparsely populated North America when American Natives where out there hunting buffalo and mammoths in their loin cloths.
The timeline of Satan and snakes barely makes a dent in the history of serpent myths. It makes no chronological sense as satanic figures didn't even appear until Zoroaster not even a thousand years before Christ. Serpent mythology was around way before then. Hell Snake myths even predate Osirus, Egypt's god of the underworld.
Hell Australian Aborigines literally worshipped the Rainbow Serpent as their creator god 8000 years ago.
Maybe you're just scared of snakes, perhaps due to Norse fairy tales about Jormungandr and Ragnarok.
I'll give it to you though, the persistent inability to admit fault or ignorance despite several people calling you out on your bullshit is indicative of some pretty durable psychological armor. You must have forged it through decades of social rejection. It serves you well in protecting that broken inner child. Might be more beneficial in the long run to address your core issues and work on them.
Watch, I'll start, "I'm an arrogant asshole who wastes too much time arguing with people on a hooker forum. I should eat better. I need to stop skipping leg day. I should call my mother more."
Now you try it.
[QUOTE=Clodius1;2555045]Not racist amigo. I live in a predominantly Asian community. We have Vietnamese, Koreans, Japanese, Burmese, and Chinese from Taipei and Hong Kong here. My reference to China has nothing to do with race. Maybe I will call them the ChiComs hereon out for clarity's sake.[/QUOTE]Oh, no dig on you dude. I was genuinely referring to the boneheads who get emboldened by hot words and phrases. They're pack animals who are easily influenced to take it as a green light to thrash on some make-believe common enemy. Hell, I agree that CCP bears significant blame for this mess. I just cringe, knowing that there are people who can't be bothered to differentiate a person from their government's actions. Or people who can't be bothered to even differentiate different nationalities. Not that I think Chinese people should be harassed, but it's even more baffonery when they harass their own countrymen of Vietnamese, Thai, Korean, Filipino, etc origin.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2555037]Our little cute Thai American nurse travels 400 kilometers for work, living in a single male bohemian cave watching porn all day long while smoking pot. Every time we met a white guy, he always told me afterwards how he hated the guy. Including 5+ white guys here on the forum. Since he grew up in savanna where his Thai mom got stuffed full by an Italian dude all throughout his youth. I can imagine certain psychological traits were acquired after that pointed at Europeans.
Sad emotional story. Reminded me of that story in Altered Carbon of the main character when he was young. Hiding in a closet with his sister.
That is perhaps also why he never really grew a cock. Because he was afraid of really going inside someone.
Or perhaps he really was ment to be born as a girl, but at the end, a tiny penis grew a few cm. As if mother nature was in a limbo until the very end. And FKK girls tell stories about this and of what an easy room with him really means.
He doesn't attend FKKs to be with girls, because sex for him is terrible. He has this hobby to make friends. A real loner. I felt sorry for him and tried to invite him that one time I suppose.[/QUOTE]LOL, I know I hurt you pretty bad when you literally just grab random shit out of thin air. All out of material eh?
Your tears of frustration taste so sweet. But get over me dude. You're starting to sound like a psycho ex-girlfriend.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2554967]Why do you think the German government passed a new lockdown law last week? Because there is light at the end of the tunnel and they are confident that this "vaccine" will successful against a fast-mutating Corona virus? WRONG, think again! [/QUOTE]Sorry, I'll have to keep reminding that mutations are slowest in SARS CoV-2 and faster in the Measles vaccine that you took as a child. Also, help lower transmission, get your annual flu shot.
Mutation rates expressed in 10 (-3) nucleotide substitution per site per year:
2. 38 SARS CoV-2.
7. 8 Measles.
10+ Polio.
11.62 Flu A.
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC446188/[/URL]
[URL]https://jvi.asm.org/content/89/21/10993[/URL]
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2818276/[/URL]
[URL] https://academic.oup.com/ve/article/6/2/veaa040/5841225[/URL]
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2554967]
To all the brave (and not so bright) vaxxxed Guinea Pigs out there: enjoy you "vaccine" and enjoy your "new freedoms" (old pre-2020 civil liberties), because by autumn your new "new freedoms" will be declared "NUL and void" again due to the next batch of mutations and we'll be in another lockdown.[/QUOTE]I dunno man, put down the political partisan hat for a short while and maybe you can enjoy a couple club visits, even if it ends up short lived. Perhaps a week in Spain can scratch that itch. Booster shots if needed won't be as big an ordeal. If it all goes to shit, I'm sure you'll get the resistance you've been calling for. It would take martial law to force people through this for a third straight year. Hell, I'll support you if it plays out that way. Not for the same reasons as you, but rather to protest pure government incompetence. I've got 1500 rounds of ammo in my bug out bag. Burn the Reichstag! Storm the Bastille!
Vive La aresistance!
P.S. I think Pistons has a crush on you.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2555024]Did you get your CDC card laminated yet? I wonder how many countries will accept it as an acceptable Covid passport. I did not hear if the US has any plans of actually issuing a real Covid passport. Probably unlikely. That requires a nationwide effort, a separate bureaucracy, yadda yadda not to mention this vaccine officially has an expiration of a year. Most likely, the CDC card is it (which does not have even your picture on it and hence is not much of an ID, but it is something).
Anyway, even if US travelers are accepted in DE, not sure how many will be rushing. Their situation is now worse than here. All the travel related businesses (airlines, Visa / Mastercard, etc) are saying regional travel is opening up -- intra Europe, US to LatAM corridor, etc. Speaking for myself, I will go only if the FKKs are functioning, normal, and girls quality / service is reasonably near pre covid levels. Otherwise, I have no interest in visiting Europe for tourism purpose on my own or w / family (and speaking of FKK visits, the big problem for me is still how to come up with believable stories to leave home for extended periods).[/QUOTE]Fortunately for me I do not have the problem with coming up with believable stories for travelling to De. For me the problem is how do I stay home if in October I read on the forum of lots of girls in Sharks and Oase.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2555067]Indian households earn more than ethnic group in the USA. But that is partly due to the fact the immigration process is extremely selective, so only the most talented are being selected to leave India. But if India becomes the next China, then your next Satya Nadella (Microsoft) or Sundar Pichai (Google) will have less reason to leave India. For same reasons, Nigerian diaspora live in Western countries is also extremely successful.[/QUOTE]Guessing it will take India quite some time to reach China's level. Do they have the infrastructure to support rapid growth and do they have the type of government / society to coordinate that growth efficiently? As they grow more distant from the UK, will that hurt their growth prospects?
Was browsing articles regarding Nigerian international students and saw a statistic that Nigeria was only able to accommodate 600 K university students per year. However, they graduate about 2 million eligible high school students. Hence the propensity to export individuals more likely to succeed. Student visas are the the quickest way to bypass tight immigration standards. Further inspection showed that the top five destinations for Nigerian students were UK, US, Canada, Australia, and Germany. Four of those are English speaking nations. There's a high likelihood that plays a significant role in the type of Nigerians immigrants those nation receive. Germany gains a favorable position because they provide a path to free university education for international students.
Apparently there's a big push from countries like Poland and Malaysia to recruit Nigerian students because the cost of education in Anglo nations is getting too expensive. Nigerian enrollment in UK unis fell 41% from 2015 when they almost broke even with Indians to become UK's second largest international student group. Now they are UK's 6th largest group. Coincidentally that drop aligned with Brexit. Anyway, point is, interconnected with education, natural language destinations likely play a significant role in why we see differing social class of SubSaharan Africans in various nations. Ghana piggybacks on Nigerian trends regarding exporting their students.
Switching gears, China was UK's top student group. Apparently China is the largest international student group in just about every nation. Another purposeful strategy in China's world domination strategy? Pretty genius if so.
While the last four years saw the United States looking more inward, same for EU?, China continued their low key March to building their global network, starting from the nitty gritty. First with their vital role in supply chains, then with financial lending, and the ensuing infrastructure investment in foreign nations, meanwhile sending their people literally all over the world for education. It's pretty scary actually.
I think one of the more consequential but least discussed goofs during the last US presidential administration was the withdrawal from the Trans Pacific Partnership. Looking at only short term losses in margin, we essentially kept the door open for China to fill that void in the long run. Here was an opportunity to firewall China's economic March, and we punted the ball at 4 and short, probably from their 40 yard line to boot.
Pardon my random flow of ideas. Hopefully it remained a logical one. First day of being technically unemployed girls!
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2555133]Russia might not be a communist country but sure as hell is not a free country. You guys are all about shouting "the government is taking away our freedom" but then you admire Putin. What is it with all these "freedom" people that they need to have a big daddy to worship?[/QUOTE]Familiar situation in my American Deep South. Lots of talk about individual liberties and freedom but when you get to know them, more often than not are more like sheep finding comfort under the watch of a Shepard. Religious associations intended. It's a strange mix of personal independence with gravitation toward Fascist rule of law. I feel a little bad saying it because most are truly good people who mean no one any harm. But there is a bit of hypocrisy and irony to that reality.
To be fair, I had analogous thoughts during my years in California, the western pillar of American Liberalism. I always sensed an air of demeaning judgement when I expressed any conservative opinions. They were not very liberal at all in my experience, not in the literal sense of the word. Certainly most were not free thinkers. Rather, I detected an air of conformist attitudes. The mark of many West Coast Liberals was the stench of social shaming for non socio-political Liberal ideologies. Even non dichotomous third party ideas were scoffed.
They didn't celebrate diversity as much as they claimed. While there was a definite visible ethnic diversity, outside of cultural differences, I never sense much diversity of thought. Yet, social cohesion was somehow also missing. It was a buffet of separate groups that hardly interacted with each other, not in a meaningful level anyway. It was like a society of every group being "special" but noticeably separate. Worse, genuine personalities were hard to come by. Any divergence from the scripted platform and you were deemed closed minded and backward. Yet eccentric weirdness was celebrated. Perhaps it has changed since 15 years ago. I'm just not sure for the better.
I much prefer the brash northeastern liberal culture, a bit more authentic. Or even the far northeast, basically Canadians. The American Midwest and Great Plains conservatives are also admirable in their authenticity. They might be the world's last cowboys. Shoot from the hip, but true to their ideologies.
Whoops, rambled again.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2555155]At some point, the German (and other Western European governments) will have to take off their "proceed with caution" hats and recognize that while their "3rd wave" is viewed through the lens of higher infection numbers, it has not produced a corresponding number of fatalities and hospitalizations.
[/QUOTE]Angela Merkel isn't exactly popular among certain people but they don't understand what she's bad at. They think she's an evil decision maker but the reality is that Merkel is hesitant and afraid to decide. This was visible during the refugee crisis too.
This is why I wouldn't be surprised if Germany is the very last country to get rid of restrictions.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2555031]On tiktok ericryanericryan has some funny videos on this just now.[/QUOTE]Tiktok?
WTF? Are you a fourteen year old girl?
[QUOTE=Ararat;2555262]Tiktok?
WTF? Are you a fourteen year old girl?[/QUOTE]Ariana forever XOXOXOXO!
[QUOTE=Ararat;2555260]Angela Merkel isn't exactly popular among certain people but they don't understand what she's bad at. They think she's an evil decision maker but the reality is that Merkel is hesitant and afraid to decide. This was visible during the refugee crisis too.
This is why I wouldn't be surprised if Germany is the very last country to get rid of restrictions.[/QUOTE]Maybe so but Germany has administered 1.1 million vaccine doses over the last 24 h. At this rate, they will lift restrictions by the summer (I really really hope!
[QUOTE=Ararat;2555260]Angela Merkel isn't exactly popular among certain people but they don't understand what she's bad at. They think she's an evil decision maker but the reality is that Merkel is hesitant and afraid to decide. This was visible during the refugee crisis too.
This is why I wouldn't be surprised if Germany is the very last country to get rid of restrictions.[/QUOTE]She's a scientist by professional training. So with the lack of concrete data and so many variables, she's probably naturally going to be conservative in her executive decisions regarding easing restrictions. As a politician, she's probably also empowered to keep strict regulations, perhaps due to her authoritarian communist upbringing. Throw in her German-ness and I can see why someone with her collective background would tend toward these strict and ultra conservative policies.
Sharing a similar undergraduate education, professionally, I can personally relate to the way she thinks. But personally, I tend to be a little bit of a cowboy in my decisions. Not a big fan of across-the-board, blanketed rules either so I know I would have already begun easing these restrictions considering the fair amount of recent data and developments, albeit there's not enough concrete data. But that's why I avoid executive positions and organizational power trees. Considering her position as the de facto leader of the free world, I think she did great for most of this Pandemic, especially early on. But she's remaining gun shy a little longer than necessary, in my opinion.
BTW, is she still planning on stepping down this year?
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2555162]Glad you got an ego boast from mere small talk. Cool beans.[/QUOTE]You were just one more confirming me what I think about 95% guys in brothels = bad level to avoid.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2555140]So you define "freedom" based on how low the taxes are? Do you even know what freedom means?[/QUOTE]I can only agree, I love Russia, but not what I call freedom under Putin. Just ask Navalny if he will survive for second time. I often argued with my Russian escorts about Putin ex KGB. China is also not land of freedom.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2555156]Damn, ya took a step back. Talk to you tomorrow![/QUOTE]LMFAO, you should spend more time with a professional psychiatrist and less time writing your delusional BS.
You will always be inferior to the rest of us.
[QUOTE=Ararat;2555262]Tiktok?
WTF? Are you a fourteen year old girl?[/QUOTE]You have 239 posts and all of them are argumentative and irrelevant to the topic of this website. You're a pathetic weirdo, get a hobby.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2555140]So you define "freedom" based on how low the taxes are? Do you even know what freedom means?[/QUOTE]Please show where I mentioned anything about freedom? You do know how to read?
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2555133]Russia might not be a communist country but sure as hell is not a free country. You guys are all about shouting "the government is taking away our freedom" but then you admire Putin. What is it with all these "freedom" people that they need to have a big daddy to worship?[/QUOTE]LOL, where in my post did I mention anything about Putin or "freedom"?
I never knew that the Russian tax system was such a sensitive topic.
Too many feels and no room for facts, LMFAO!
[QUOTE=Turgid;2555219]Fortunately for me I do not have the problem with coming up with believable stories for travelling to De. For me the problem is how do I stay home if in October I read on the forum of lots of girls in Sharks and Oase.[/QUOTE]Slowly, companies are indicating they will bring back people to the office. T Rowe Price said today they will be in office by September, Jamie Dimon said the same at JP Morgan. My guess would be that barring a second catastrophe on the scale of India, US will be bringing back more employees to office through summer and more or less pre Covid levels by the fall. If that happens and if by then the German clubs are back to some semblance of normal services, I will make my excuses and go. I am almost forgetting what it is to monger, LOL. Sometimes the past attendance at these clubs feels like an out of body experience.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2555268]Maybe so but Germany has administered 1.1 million vaccine doses over the last 24 h. At this rate, they will lift restrictions by the summer (I really really hope![/QUOTE]That's the equivalent of 4 million per day in the US. We never even even got that high. 3. 3 mil max I think. Among nations with substantial population size, only Israel has had a faster vax rate. At 1 million a day, that projects a 75% first dose vaccinated. By June 10th.
One road block however, and even Israel is seeing this: As nations approach 50 percent, rates go down substantially due to the the vaccine apprehension crowd, young adults who will just not make the effort, and others where vaccination is not recommended. Israel is stalling in the low 60's right now and Euro nations will surely meet resistance earlier.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2555287]You were just one more confirming me what I think about 95% guys in brothels = bad level to avoid.[/QUOTE]I'm the new bad guy? Yes! Thanks for handing over the title!
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2555292]LMFAO, you should spend more time with a professional psychiatrist and less time writing your delusional BS.
You will always be inferior to the rest of us.[/QUOTE]Working on it. My life coach encourages writing down my thoughts and here I am! Good advice.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2555293]You have 239 posts and all of them are argumentative and irrelevant to the topic of this website. You're a pathetic weirdo, get a hobby.[/QUOTE]Ah man, 2 days in a row. Where is that sliver of creativity from 2 days ago? Bring back the better you. I believe in you!
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2555297]Slowly, companies are indicating they will bring back people to the office. T Rowe Price said today they will be in office by September, Jamie Dimon said the same at JP Morgan. My guess would be that barring a second catastrophe on the scale of India, US will be bringing back more employees to office through summer and more or less pre Covid levels by the fall. If that happens and if by then the German clubs are back to some semblance of normal services, I will make my excuses and go. I am almost forgetting what it is to monger, LOL. Sometimes the past attendance at these clubs feels like an out of body experience.[/QUOTE]Some companies such as Delta Airlines Headquarters have switched to an office rotation system. Office employees will switch to a hybrid in situ-WFH schedule, more cost effective. Already, some of my friends are complaining about not having their own dedicated workspace, basically just the high maintenance females.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2555294]Please show where I mentioned anything about freedom? You do know how to read?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ShooBree;2543971]Barely anyone's dying and much of the old people have been vaccinated, it's time for the EU open up the businesses and the internal borders, [b]people can't be oppressed much longer.[/b][/QUOTE]Found it.
Level II of Reading Comprehension: Inferential reading.
Burn.
[QUOTE=Ararat;2555262]Tiktok?
WTF? Are you a fourteen year old girl?[/QUOTE]Young and fertile!
It's the diet and absense of toxic medications!
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2555182]The mistake is double embarrassing when you also spell Zeus as Zews. 'Hooked On Phonics' didn't work this time.
Lots of religions have shared mythologies but there's hardly a strong case to say that monotheistic Abrahamic religions are based on Polytheistic Mesopotamian religions. You might want to fast forward a thousand years to Zoroastrianism where monotheism and the idea of Satan first took off. You would have a better case if you said Judaism was based on Egyptian Atenism. If sharing fairy tales means "based on," you might as well say that Egyptian mythology is based on Sumerian religion. Most religions share a common flood myth. Maybe Hopi Native Americans are based on Sumer.
And let's see, if serpents represent penises, but they also represent fertility. I'm guessing they're thinking of fucking and procreating, not population control. And with the many references to snakes and fertility in nomadic native American peoples, I'm guessing population control was not a prerogative in sparsely populated North America when American Natives where out there hunting buffalo and mammoths in their loin cloths.
The timeline of Satan and snakes barely makes a dent in the history of serpent myths. It makes no chronological sense as satanic figures didn't even appear until Zoroaster not even a thousand years before Christ. Serpent mythology was around way before then. Hell Snake myths even predate Osirus, Egypt's god of the underworld..[/QUOTE]1. In Scandinavian languages we write Zews.
2. I am 100% sure the priesthood of Marduk was the first monotheistic religion using some form of Satan figure. Way before Zorastrianism.
3. Egyptian mythology according to the legends came from Atlantis. But since this is legends, I didn't mention it. There was probably something before everything in recorded history.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2555190]LOL, I know I hurt you pretty bad when you literally just grab random shit out of thin air. All out of material eh?
Your tears of frustration taste so sweet. But get over me dude. You're starting to sound like a psycho ex-girlfriend.[/QUOTE]Ok, my bad! I seem to make one big mistake there. But only one!
You are not a complete loner. From my 100% credible sources (my own eyes), you seem to have a very intimate relationship to a dog!
[QUOTE=RockyV;2555268]Maybe so but Germany has administered 1.1 million vaccine doses over the last 24 h. At this rate, they will lift restrictions by the summer (I really really hope![/QUOTE]The Hausärzte are now part of the effort, it seems that Germany now has sufficient doses. In Switzerland several cantons now offer vaccines to 50+, a few even to 18+.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2555344]Ok, my bad! I seem to make one big mistake there. But only one!
You are not a complete loner. From my 100% credible sources (my own eyes), you seem to have a very intimate relationship to a dog![/QUOTE]1. Love my alone time, people can wear you out. Difference is that mine is a choice. I actually do real work for a living, around real people, actually interacting with normal human beings who actually have a full spectrum of functioning human emotions, fluid thought process, and logical flow of ideas.
2. Says the boy who can't tell the difference between a 22 year old hooker with a natural body and a 30 year old hooker with pancake when she's leaning 10 feet away.
3. You like my Purebred Siberian Husky? You can't have him! That's my perfect ball of fluff and we love your licky kisses right on the lips. Dogs are quite intuitive of the differences between good and bad energy in humans. He wouldn't enjoy your energy.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2555339]1. In Scandinavian languages we write Zews.
2. I am 100% sure the priesthood of Marduk was the first monotheistic religion using some form of Satan figure. Way before Zorastrianism.
3. Egyptian mythology according to the legends came from Atlantis. But since this is legends, I didn't mention it. There was probably something before everything in recorded history.[/QUOTE]1. On ISG we write in English.
Given the Native speakers tendency of "fact" fabrication and general "bullshittery", I had to verify for myself.
Maybe the Norwegians do some weird shit with their V's but I trust Google in the hands of someone who uses it correctly. Google even gave me a human verified check mark. Very Comforting.
[URL]https://translate.google.com/?sl=en&tl=no&text=zeus&op=translate[/URL]
[URL]https://translate.yandex.com/?lang=en-no&text=zeus[/URL]
[URL]https://mymemory.translated.net/en/English/Norwegian/zeus[/URL]
Final Verdict [B]Z-E-V-S[/B].
How embarrassing. 4 letter word, in their own language. How does someone fuck that up.
2. Monotheism. Mono means one / solo / single right? Like the number that comes after 0 and before 2 correct? Theos means God right? And -ism, as in belief? So Belief in One Single God right?
Well look at this Bullshittery:
[QUOTE]Marduk took on increasing significance for the city of Babylon (and later the Assyrian and Neo-Assyrian Empire) [b]becoming finally the most important and powerful god of the Babylonian and wider Mesopotamian pantheon and attaining a level of worship bordering on monotheism.[/b] He was regarded as the creator of the heavens and earth, co-creator with Enki of human beings, and originator of divine order following his victory over the [b]forces of chaos led by the goddess Tiamat[/b]. Once he legitimized his rule, he [b]conferred upon the other gods[/b] their various duties and responsibilities and organized both the world and the netherworld.
The Babylonian creation myth, Enuma Elish, tells the story of Marduk's rise to power. In the beginning of time, the universe was undifferentiated swirling chaos which separated into sweet fresh water, known as Apsu (the male principle) and salty bitter water known as Tiamat (the female principle). These[b] two deities then gave birth to the other gods[/b].
[url]https://www.worldhistory.org/Marduk/#:~:text=From%20a%20regional%20agricultural%20deity%2C%20Marduk%20became%20the%20most%20important,his%20work%20during%20the%20day[/url]
[/QUOTE]3. Irrelevant Bullshittery.
For someone who lectures people about google and knowing shit, you sure do suck at it and obviously don't now anything to an acceptable level of competence or depth. Get of off Youtube read a god damn book that's longer than 20 fucking pages, 2 illustrations max, no crayons.
All this from some bullshitterry about ancient medicine, Satanic cults, impaled snake cocks, and population control.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2555320]Working on it. My life coach encourages writing down my thoughts and here I am! Good advice.
Ah man, 2 days in a row. Where is that sliver of creativity from 2 days ago? Bring back the better you. I believe in you![/QUOTE]You're obviously a deranged weirdo, at this point it's not even an insult, it's just a fact.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2555268]Maybe so but Germany has administered 1.1 million vaccine doses over the last 24 h. At this rate, they will lift restrictions by the summer (I really really hope![/QUOTE]After UK, Brazilian, South African, we have now Indian mutant arriving in Western Europe, nevertheless France and I think Germany should be on same time for less restrictions in June, but still no discotheques, so should also remain no brothels for a while, when German elections to come. When Zurich kanton is the place for everything for money, a real drugs market, so they must have a really good reason to keep close brothels: Globe, Aphrodisia, Amesia, Rouge, Swiss Dietikon, big brothel of Switzerland, since December and I m surprised for so long when was only for 3 months on covid arrival, when Angela has to manage for more than 80.000 deaths and even some riots from covid, not so easy job since 16 years she is the woman of Germany. In about 5 months, she may rest a bit, when covid and mutants should still work to kill.
When real catastrophe in crowded India, 80% cases there are UK mutant spreading, after in whole Europe, even some Indian mutant already in Germany, Switzerland, Belgium and in France. When India produce our medicines, but UK devil is killing them. Sad Commonwealth with 2 different mutants.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2555293]You have 239 posts and all of them are argumentative and irrelevant to the topic of this website. You're a pathetic weirdo, get a hobby.[/QUOTE]Not everything is about you. You have three times as many posts.
[QUOTE=Ararat;2555449]Not everything is about you. You have three times as many posts.[/QUOTE]And 100 % of them are insults and / or fake news.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2555414]After UK, Brazilian, South African, we have now Indian mutant arriving in Western Europe, nevertheless France and I think Germany should be on same time for less restrictions in June, but still no discotheques, so should also remain no brothels for a while, when German elections to come. When Zurich kanton is the place for everything for money, a real drugs market, so they must have a really good reason to keep close brothels: Globe, Aphrodisia, Amesia, Rouge, Swiss Dietikon, big brothel of Switzerland, since December and I m surprised for so long when was only for 3 months on covid arrival, when Angela has to manage for more than 80.000 deaths and even some riots from covid, not so easy job since 16 years she is the woman of Germany. In about 5 months, she may rest a bit, when covid and mutants should still work to kill.[/QUOTE]You really like to post BS when you have no clue. The only reason ZH canton didn't allow prostitution yet is because the head of the local health department (a woman) is against the opening so far. The only cantons that didn't open up prostitution are ZH and TI, so it's only a matter of time now. Money from brothels is completely irrelevant one way or another in a canton that is the base of many global financial institutions plus other global companies. Brothel money wouldn't even cover coffee costs for the administration.
So far at worst the vaccines have a lower efficacy against existing variants, but they still push the numbers down. Look at UK what happens when mass vaccinations are done, "mutants" or not.
Just for once, don't just post your petty opinions, post something after you have informed yourself and back it up with facts.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2555488]You really like to post BS when you have no clue. The only reason ZH canton didn't allow prostitution yet is because the head of the local health department (a woman) is against the opening so far. The only cantons that didn't open up prostitution are ZH and TI, so it's only a matter of time now. Money from brothels is completely irrelevant one way or another in a canton that is the base of many global financial institutions plus other global companies. Brothel money wouldn't even cover coffee costs for the administration.
So far at worst the vaccines have a lower efficacy against existing variants, but they still push the numbers down. Look at UK what happens when mass vaccinations are done, "mutants" or not.
Just for once, don't just post your petty opinions, post something after you have informed yourself and back it up with facts.[/QUOTE]But UK still have restrictions, like ZH which have most of Swiss brothels, but we will believe you for sure: just because of a Swiss woman who doesn't like brothels. I'm sure you can find better explanation, when I m pretty sure Zurich drugs market is working.
Just read in a German newspaper that the infection rates have dropped for three consecutive days and vaccinations are starting to rapidly increase with over a million people (1% of the population) vaccinated in just a day.
Very early days I appreciate but this data followed the same trend that occurred in the UK during the early days where now the levels are down to minimum figures.
Should we start to get optimistic?
As I said if it continues to follow the UK trend Germany could be 2/3 months away from fully reopening.
I'm feeling a little more optimistic that just maybe I will see the sun in the Sharks garden late summer?
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2555488] The only reason ZH canton didn't allow prostitution yet is because the head of the local health department (a woman) is against the opening so far. The only cantons that didn't open up prostitution are ZH and TI, so it's only a matter of time now. [/QUOTE]Is this something that this person can delay indefinitely or 'too long'? AFAIK, the federal level can't overrule, right?
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2555325] Already, some of my friends are complaining about not having their own dedicated workspace, basically just the high maintenance females.[/QUOTE]This trend was happening before Covid. I just don't understand why it continues because if we've learnt anything it's that office jobs can be done from home so what is the reason to travel to the office? It feels much more likely office days will be to meet people.
I understand that having a dedicated desk may be unnecessary in such environment but the current flexible offices often means you can sit 'anywhere' in the office. Doesn't make much sense but having eg. 5 seats for 7 people in a group could possibly work.
[QUOTE=Ararat;2555518]Is this something that this person can delay indefinitely or 'too long'? AFAIK, the federal level can't overrule, right?[/QUOTE]She can delay, but not for ever. For now the argument is that if restaurants can't offer dining inside, why should brothels be allowed. The position of the federal government was that they defer the decision to cantons, but if prostitution goes underground it just hides what is happening since no contact tracing is possible. Canton ZH will review the situation end of May.
Around here it is fashionable to strut and chest thump in macho bullshit but not all females are high maintenance. At least in the Western nations (or perhaps I should say US with which I am most familiar), there are millions of women making great money and more than their partners. I personally know many. One of my best friends was a managing director at Goldman who retired by mid 40's and is now taking care of kids at home while his Physician wife is making good money. One of the partners at my firm is a female and is a self made millionaire. My own spouse makes several times the national average income. I hate the feminist BS about putting restrictions on mongers as much as anyone else but that is besides the point when it comes to respecting women as equally capable persons in today's society. Perhaps the guys here like to revel in the past.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2555414]After UK, Brazilian, South African, we have now Indian mutant arriving in Western Europe, nevertheless France and I think Germany should be on same time for less restrictions in June, but still no discotheques, so should also remain no brothels for a while, when German elections to come. When Zurich kanton is the place for everything for money, a real drugs market, so they must have a really good reason to keep close brothels: Globe, Aphrodisia, Amesia, Rouge, Swiss Dietikon, big brothel of Switzerland, since December and I m surprised for so long when was only for 3 months on covid arrival, when Angela has to manage for more than 80.000 deaths and even some riots from covid, not so easy job since 16 years she is the woman of Germany. In about 5 months, she may rest a bit, when covid and mutants should still work to kill.[/QUOTE]I was waiting desperately a long time before someone will put this topic in the light, so I am taking the risk. When I was young many many years back, demography was a important concern and many specialists were emphasizing that 5 billions is the maximum before the problems will start. Today we are 7, 8 may be 9 billions but nobody is taking the risk to speak about it just because when we look where and from which religion, which skin color. The increase is coming immediately the word racism is popping up, but for sure not from the white Christan.
[QUOTE=Ararat;2555520]This trend was happening before Covid. I just don't understand why it continues because if we've learnt anything it's that office jobs can be done from home so what is the reason to travel to the office? It feels much more likely office days will be to meet people.
I understand that having a dedicated desk may be unnecessary in such environment but the current flexible offices often means you can sit 'anywhere' in the office. Doesn't make much sense but having eg. 5 seats for 7 people in a group could possibly work.[/QUOTE]When your job is to produce, not only working on computer from your bed, then, even under virus, You have to go on the field, and virus complicated a lot about safety conditions, furthermore when You are responsible in front of law for this. I didn't wait Chinese or UK killers, to make my office in my car which is also my fast sleeping bed, multi functions driver seat, for working, eating, sleeping I love with my friends bicycle or ski, I will take both on this Summer, driving sometimes but much less since covid, just not for toilets, but easier for guys.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2555407]You're obviously a deranged weirdo, at this point it's not even an insult, it's just a fact.[/QUOTE]Uh oh, Day 3 in a roll, not a good sign. You have to put your heart into it buddy. Try warming up with word storms and mind mapping. Use that thesaurus. You can do this!
[QUOTE=Ararat;2555449]Not everything is about you. You have three times as many posts.[/QUOTE]You have zero posts about mongering, and 242 posts containing nothing but insults and irrelevant BS.
You're a pathetic little troll.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2555472]And 100 % of them are insults and / or fake news.[/QUOTE]It's hilarious to see the big troll lie in post after post. He's a mentally unstable troll.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2555532]Around here it is fashionable to strut and chest thump in macho bullshit but not all females are high maintenance. At least in the Western nations (or perhaps I should say US with which I am most familiar), there are millions of women making great money and more than their partners. I personally know many. One of my best friends was a managing director at Goldman who retired by mid 40's and is now taking care of kids at home while his Physician wife is making good money. One of the partners at my firm is a female and is a self made millionaire. My own spouse makes several times the national average income. I hate the feminist BS about putting restrictions on mongers as much as anyone else but that is besides the point when it comes to respecting women as equally capable persons in today's society. Perhaps the guys here like to revel in the past.[/QUOTE]Dude,
I literally said "the high maintenance females". In no way does that mean "all females are high maintenance. " I was thinking of one person in particular. Did someone else say something more chauvinistic?
If not, and unless you think that no females at all are high maintenance, I think your sermon was due to you reading the post wrong.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2555534]I was waiting desperately a long time before someone will put this topic in the light, so I am taking the risk. When I was young many many years back, demography was a important concern and many specialists were emphasizing that 5 billions is the maximum before the problems will start. Today we are 7, 8 may be 9 billions but nobody is taking the risk to speak about it just because when we look where and from which religion, which skin color. The increase is coming immediately the word racism is popping up, but for sure not from the white Christan.[/QUOTE]Good point. I suspect many people here probably already saw the Bill Gates TedTalk from 2015 where he discussed (predicted / warn) about this coming problem, 5 years before it happened. Sadly, instead of giving him credit for putting facts and trends together in order to make a solid prediction, it led to many conspiracy theorists claiming that he purposefully caused this pandemic.
[URL] https://youtu.be/6Af6b_wyiwI[/URL]
The German govt and the entire world has it wrong. If everyone wore Gypsy tears as I do, there would be no COVID and no disease, even democrat voters would be cured.
I'm sure this simple, traditional medicine is a victim of UFO / CIA / fake moon landing / cover up / conspiracy and general intrigue.
Luckily I can go home to Kazakhstan where several donkeys await my attentions until FKK re opens. Any they understand me when I explain my theories and read Mursenary and Shoo Bree posts. They think its funny "HEE HAW".
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2555598]The German govt and the entire world has it wrong. If everyone wore Gypsy tears as I do, there would be no COVID and no disease, even democrat voters would be cured.
I'm sure this simple, traditional medicine is a victim of UFO / CIA / fake moon landing / cover up / conspiracy and general intrigue.
Luckily I can go home to Kazakhstan where several donkeys await my attentions until FKK re opens. Any they understand me when I explain my theories and read Mursenary and Shoo Bree posts. They think its funny "HEE HAW".[/QUOTE]Want to rephrase that for us laymen? Too abstract of a thought flow for me to comprehend. Anyone else care to explain this prose / poetry for me?
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2555500]But UK still have restrictions, like ZH which have most of Swiss brothels, but we will believe you for sure: just because of a Swiss woman who doesn't like brothels. I'm sure you can find better explanation, when I m pretty sure Zurich drugs market is working.[/QUOTE]I fail to follow the logic in these 2 sentences above. Yes, UK still has restrictions and they have a plan about lifting restrictions, nobody said that there are no restrictions in the UK right now. Look where UK was with regards number of hospitalizations and restrictions in January and look where they are now. What happened? Hard lockdown followed by mass vaccinations, "mutants" and all.
Canton ZH restrictions are based on federal restrictions plus additional canton ZH measures, because that is how a federal system works. Yes, health related decisions in canton ZH are made by Natalie Rickli, head of the cantonal health department. She has to follow federal health guidelines, but has some room for additional decisions at cantonal level. What is so difficult to understand about that? Most important current measures at federal level are that home office is mandatory wherever possible, restaurants, bars etc can only serve outside, masks mandatory in public transit and for people who have to work indoors. A review of the cantonal decisions will be made end of May, they might or might not decide to lift the prostitution ban, because the criteria when to rescind the prostitution ban are not defined. If however, hospitalizations keep going down and vaccination progress is good, it will be hard to continue to argue that everything should stay closed.
Yes, there are drugs in Zurich, just like everywhere else. How does that have anything to do with the level of lockdowns?
The federal government has presented a plan not so long ago. The Buenzli bureaucrats in Bern finally came up with something.
Phase 1- current phase: first vaccinate vulnerable population, measures stay as is.
Phase 2 - stabilization: vaccines are [B]available[/B] for everybody. They stop looking at number of cases, but keep watching number of hospitalizations and ICU capacity. Current view is that by end of June willing population will have received at least one dose, by end of July the second dose. Situation will be evaluated again before 26 May, some restrictions might be lifted depending on the epidemiological situation. They cite as possibilities: home office no longer mandatory, on site learning for universities, allowing restaurants to serve inside. They mention as [B]possible[/B] reducing restrictions with regards bars, discotheques. Once vaccination rate is 40 - 50%, something like a corona pass will allow some privileges for vaccinated people, people recovered from Covid, people with a valid test. Vaccination or recovery from covid, pass is valid long term, valid PCR test, pass is valid for a few days.
Phase 3 - normalization: remaining restrictions will be lifted [B]gradually[/B] , including those for mass gatherings (sports events, concerts, etc).
[QUOTE=Ararat;2555520]This trend was happening before Covid. I just don't understand why it continues because if we've learnt anything it's that office jobs can be done from home so what is the reason to travel to the office? It feels much more likely office days will be to meet people.
I understand that having a dedicated desk may be unnecessary in such environment but the current flexible offices often means you can sit 'anywhere' in the office. Doesn't make much sense but having eg. 5 seats for 7 people in a group could possibly work.[/QUOTE]Most new or renovated office space is built with flexible seating for a while now. The argument was that in a larger company you will always have people on vacation, at client or supplier site, travelling, taking courses, sick days etc, so why have a guaranteed desk for every single person. The last year and a bit accelerated this and hopefully opened the eyes of bosses who believe that productivity is related to the number of hours spent in the office.
There are downsides as well, with remote work it's difficult to have a productive session with 5-7 people working together around a whiteboard. Communication via video calls is less efficient than face to face meetings and tools are clunky.
From the people I know at work most would prefer to continue with home office most days unless there is a ZH only meeting. We have to work with people in US and APAC all the time, so there is no difference if I call them from home or from the office. Personally I want to call them from the Globe terrace while I am getting a BJ.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2555534]I was waiting desperately a long time before someone will put this topic in the light, so I am taking the risk. When I was young many many years back, demography was a important concern and many specialists were emphasizing that 5 billions is the maximum before the problems will start. Today we are 7, 8 may be 9 billions but nobody is taking the risk to speak about it just because when we look where and from which religion, which skin color. The increase is coming immediately the word racism is popping up, but for sure not from the white Christan.[/QUOTE]For sure, China and India with 40% population are big risk for our world and not only for virus, but also for pollution killing our planet with also so many deaths, or sick or handicaped people. I m very sad to see so beautiful real white bears losing their ice home, having to go to find to eat in humans dustbins, like beggars. Maybe why UK also sent to India their killer gift, after our brexit gift, when 80% UK cases in Indian catastrophe. I just wish EU will learn from this crisis to protect much better, when vaccine is not enough to stop spreading, furthermore about mutants. But unfortunately, people forget so fast.
[QUOTE=Canary;2555510]Just read in a German newspaper that the infection rates have dropped for three consecutive days and vaccinations are starting to rapidly increase with over a million people (1% of the population) vaccinated in just a day.
Very early days I appreciate but this data followed the same trend that occurred in the UK during the early days where now the levels are down to minimum figures.
Should we start to get optimistic?
As I said if it continues to follow the UK trend Germany could be 2/3 months away from fully reopening.
I'm feeling a little more optimistic that just maybe I will see the sun in the Sharks garden late summer?[/QUOTE]Hessen didn't reopen on 2020 when some Saarland or NRW brothels did on last September. I m not sure brothels are good point for safety to be elected for after Angela, when more washing machines than employment for Germans. But I m pretty sure Sharks will reopen one day, then maybe meeting again my German friend, one of my very rare in this business full of jealousy.
[QUOTE=Canary;2555510]Just read in a German newspaper that the infection rates have dropped for three consecutive days and vaccinations are starting to rapidly increase with over a million people (1% of the population) vaccinated in just a day.
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As I said if it continues to follow the UK trend Germany could be 2/3 months away from fully reopening.[/QUOTE]There is hope and eventually Europe (not just Germany) will be able to vaccinate the population but it won't be that soon. But assuming that these vaccinations do continue at this pace then it will take longer for the effects to be realised. I'd expect that you will see infection rates decline to the levels that the UK currently has in three months and then at least two more months of staged lowering of restrictions very much like the UK. September may be the earliest but it might be November before the FKK's will be open as they will be last to exit restrictions.
[QUOTE=Downandup;2555676]There is hope and eventually Europe (not just Germany) will be able to vaccinate the population but it won't be that soon. But assuming that these vaccinations do continue at this pace then it will take longer for the effects to be realised. I'd expect that you will see infection rates decline to the levels that the UK currently has in three months and then at least two more months of staged lowering of restrictions very much like the UK. September may be the earliest but it might be November before the FKK's will be open as they will be last to exit restrictions.[/QUOTE]UK has 1 of the worst results in fighting the pandemy, nobody knows how efficient the vaccines will be against the new variants specially the Indian one knowing the strong interactions between UK and India the risks are high to see them spreading all over UK. The coming months will tell us if the vaccines are able to successfully fight against the mutants and will confirm that UK made the right decisions.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2555397]Well look at this Bullshittery:[/QUOTE]You really are a waste of bandwidth. Nothing in your post is relevant at all. And you even quoted that the Maeduk priesthood bordered on monotheism! LOL!
Even Christianity has some indications of more than one God.
Just read the start of Genesis, and you will find the word Elohim (plural unbound form) several times!
It even says that they (the elohim) made humans in their image!
Christian theologians claim this is referring to the father, son and the holy spirit. But no. It cannot, because in Hebrew, Elohe is the word that both describes single form and plural bound form. And the combination of the father, son and the holy spirit is of course plural bound form (which is by the way why the Jewish and Muslims are 100% correct in trashing this trivinity). The plural bound form, as well as singular form are both called Elohe in Hebrew. Any Hebrew scholar knows this. As clear as day! And both of these referrals are always translated at God, or The Lord in the western Bible, either in singular or plural bound form (trivinity). So Elohim must be plural unbound form: meaning several gods, or as the Jewish claims: messengers plus God. But that is of course just another term lesser gods, as there is only one ruler at a time. And thus Christianity cannot be a pure monotheistic religion either!. Same with Islam and Judaism. They all lie about it. In Judaism for example, Asherah is the wife of YHWH. P.S. Asherah is also the wife of An (Sumerian).
The trivinity (or what you want to call it). God, son and the holy spirit is a concept taken from Egyptian religion where Pteh (the father), Amen (the son) and Ra (the holy spirit, or the sun god) was fused into one: Amen-Ra. But this also came after the Marduk priesthood, but before Zorastrianism. It is also a clear link between Christianity and this version of Egyptian beliefs on Amen-Ra, that we end all prayers by calling on Amen.
Of course one can always discuss what lies in the word monotheism. It is probably a slow change throughout several religions. In the strictest sense we don't have any monotheistic religions even today as I described. And in the weakest sense the priesthood of Marduk was the first.
But one can argue that YHWH is not a person, but a title. And the same can be said about the original An. In which case the Jewish are pretty close to the original story. At least the closest.
The alien declassification (or lie) by the world governments would make a lot of sense on many levels right before the end of this pandemic. Or even now this summer.
Even more so if the story regarding aliens would be a complete hoax in order to shift blame, unite, or shift focus. Either or more of which.
A lot of things are leading up to this. Among others that Israeli general who talked about the galactic federation a few months ago. And before the decade is over, we might have so many people chipped in one particular city that it will be able to manipulate them into seeing fake alien holograms.
For one, the theological scam won't work without aliens going forward either, as any smart person will know about religious history. And so it leads back to the Sumerians and Egyptians or even the Hindu legends where there were no gods. They all talked about some sort of alien beings coming down in space ships pretty much.
In either case, the brainwashed will continue being brainwashed also after covid-19. And especially the wannabes here on ISG.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2555534]I was waiting desperately a long time before someone will put this topic in the light, so I am taking the risk. When I was young many many years back, demography was a important concern and many specialists were emphasizing that 5 billions is the maximum before the problems will start. Today we are 7, 8 may be 9 billions but nobody is taking the risk to speak about it just because when we look where and from which religion, which skin color. The increase is coming immediately the word racism is popping up, but for sure not from the white Christan.[/QUOTE]Exactly!
Not to mention that we don't really have to age.
[URL]https://youtu.be/9nXop2lLDa4[/URL]
Imagine the overpopulation if everyone were helped by real doctors to live forever?
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2555545]Uh oh, Day 3 in a roll, not a good sign. You have to put your heart into it buddy. Try warming up with word storms and mind mapping. Use that thesaurus. You can do this![/QUOTE]Unlike you I don't live my life on this website.
You need help.
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2555598]The German govt and the entire world has it wrong. If everyone wore Gypsy tears as I do, there would be no COVID and no disease, even democrat voters would be cured.
I'm sure this simple, traditional medicine is a victim of UFO / CIA / fake moon landing / cover up / conspiracy and general intrigue.
Luckily I can go home to Kazakhstan where several donkeys await my attentions until FKK re opens. Any they understand me when I explain my theories and read Mursenary and Shoo Bree posts. They think its funny "HEE HAW".[/QUOTE]Get well soon.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2555692]Just read the start of Genesis, and you will find the word Elohim (plural unbound form) several times!
It even says that they (the elohim) made humans in their image!.[/QUOTE]That's what Rael says in France. He is the guru from a famous cult in France, maybe I should tell him to come here to hire new recruits. I think it's really time for you to stop LSD or cocaine. Maybe some binge listening of Ariana Grande will help.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2555711]Get well soon.[/QUOTE]Better. Sharp, to the point. Bravo.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2555642]Most new or renovated office space is built with flexible seating for a while now. The argument was that in a larger company you will always have people on vacation, at client or supplier site, travelling, taking courses, sick days etc, so why have a guaranteed desk for every single person. The last year and a bit accelerated this and hopefully opened the eyes of bosses who believe that productivity is related to the number of hours spent in the office.
There are downsides as well, with remote work it's difficult to have a productive session with 5-7 people working together around a whiteboard. Communication via video calls is less efficient than face to face meetings and tools are clunky.
From the people I know at work most would prefer to continue with home office most days unless there is a ZH only meeting. We have to work with people in US and APAC all the time, so there is no difference if I call them from home or from the office. Personally I want to call them from the Globe terrace while I am getting a BJ.[/QUOTE]Don't make dream guys here, when forbidden on roof, but only little room between showers and lift, or You can impress your WG calling from room the other side of the world. Some like to show what we write to girls in room, paying time with girls for this, or maybe 30 mn are too long for sex for them. I may be as slow for sex as I try to be fast driving.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2555553]You have zero posts about mongering, and 242 posts containing nothing but insults and irrelevant BS.
You're a pathetic little troll.[/QUOTE]Bror,
No need to lie about such easily falsifiable things.
I understand it could be ok in your culture to do such things but this isn't a bazaar or the Blocket car sales section.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2555638]I fail to follow the logic in these 2 sentences above. Yes, UK still has restrictions and they have a plan about lifting restrictions, nobody said that there are no restrictions in the UK right now. Look where UK was with regards number of hospitalizations and restrictions in January and look where they are now. What happened? Hard lockdown followed by mass vaccinations, "mutants" and all.
Canton ZH restrictions are based on federal restrictions plus additional canton ZH measures, because that is how a federal system works. Yes, health related decisions in canton ZH are made by Natalie Rickli, head of the cantonal health department. She has to follow federal health guidelines, but has some room for additional decisions at cantonal level. What is so difficult to understand about that? Most important current measures at federal level are that home office is mandatory wherever possible, restaurants, bars etc can only serve outside, masks mandatory in public transit and for people who have to work indoors. A review of the cantonal decisions will be made end of May, they might or might not decide to lift the prostitution ban, because the criteria when to rescind the prostitution ban are not defined. If however, hospitalizations keep going down and vaccination progress is good, it will be hard to continue to argue that everything should stay closed..[/QUOTE]I'm sure ZH brothels like Globe or Aphrodisia or Swiss will reopen, no doubt for me, but my meaning was when only closed for 3 months under first wave which was unknown situation with new virus, but closed for much longer under second and third wave, maybe because mutants are more dangerous since end of last year than original Chinese? Was not same Swiss woman to take decision 1 year ago? But longer lockdown now in ZH, when Germany also suffered much more since end of last year, under strict lockdown with schools closed since Christmas. Your ZH woman must have real reasons for longer lockdown and I m fully sure much more important reasons than caring about Romanian WGs who are most of the prostitution business, even in ZH.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2555638]I fail to follow the logic in these 2 sentences above. Yes, UK still has restrictions and they have a plan about lifting restrictions, nobody said that there are no restrictions in the UK right now. Look where UK was with regards number of hospitalizations and restrictions in January and look where they are now. What happened? Hard lockdown followed by mass vaccinations, "mutants" and all.
Canton ZH restrictions are based on federal restrictions plus additional canton ZH measures, because that is how a federal system works. Yes, health related decisions in canton ZH are made by Natalie Rickli, head of the cantonal health department. She has to follow federal health guidelines, but has some room for additional decisions at cantonal level. What is so difficult to understand about that? Most important current measures at federal level are that home office is mandatory wherever possible, restaurants, bars etc can only serve outside, masks mandatory in public transit and for people who have to work indoors. A review of the cantonal decisions will be made end of May, they might or might not decide to lift the prostitution ban, because the criteria when to rescind the prostitution ban are not defined. If however, hospitalizations keep going down and vaccination progress is good, it will be hard to continue to argue that everything should stay closed.
Yes, there are drugs in Zurich, just like everywhere else. How does that have anything to do with the level of lockdowns?[/QUOTE]I'm sure ZH brothels like Globe or Aphrodisia or Swiss will reopen, no doubt for me, but my meaning was when only closed for 3 months under first wave which was unknown situation with new virus, but closed for much longer under second and third wave, maybe because mutants are more dangerous since end of last year than original Chinese? Was not same Swiss woman to take decision 1 year ago? But longer lockdown now in ZH, when Germany also suffered much more since end of last year, under strict lockdown with schools closed since Christmas. Your ZH woman must have real reasons for longer lockdown and I'm fully sure much more important reasons than caring about Romanian WGs who are most of the prostitution business, even in ZH. I won't blame her nor Angela to try to protect their citizens. Only guys who become mad from addiction or painful balls can blame them.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2555687]UK has 1 of the worst results in fighting the pandemy, nobody knows how efficient the vaccines will be against the new variants specially the Indian one knowing the strong interactions between UK and India the risks are high to see them spreading all over UK. The coming months will tell us if the vaccines are able to successfully fight against the mutants and will confirm that UK made the right decisions.[/QUOTE]After spreading in EU and India where 80% cases are UK, not Indian mutant, UK seem better now than 4 months ago and can only be happy for them, but wait and see after Summer when vaccine don t last forever. Indian mutant may be not so strong than UK and Brazilian, when Indian is already in EU and UK. I give my turn for vaccine to those who need or want, I wait to test my lungs and heart on June, would be impossible to make so intense effort being infected by covid, like I did my numerous tests on last Summer. Look forward, but I wish for no rain, not like on Swiss Romandie tour on this week, real nightmare for poor guys, maybe why I didn't see too heavy Sagan performing in front on Thyon 2000 climbing which would be quite easy for me compare to my Summer usual climbings. Weight is enemy in front of Newton, and unfortunately in front of covid for obese = IMC 30,40% US being obese, maybe why they are still number 1 for deaths, even Bolsonaro works hard to become new number 1 , and more and more children in Europe, thanks to MacDo and Cola to kill our children health and won t help for their sexual performances after learning from porn but with smaller size, even not all harders are impressive size, when sport help to be hard, not needing viagra, even after 50 yo, girls saying: You are big and really hard, really red full of blood pressure.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2555711]Get well soon.[/QUOTE]Not really. The case here we are dealing with is a population reduction polt where maybe about 2,5-3 billion people will perish. In that case, do we really need PhallusMaximus going forward? Or should we give the survival ticket to some hot Bulgarian or Romanian girl instead?
The vaccine is the most dangerous bioweapon. More dangerous than covid itself. So just let Phallus get a shot!
According to some spiritism I did two or three years ago, we will end up with a global population of about 4 5 billion when this depopulation plot is over.
By the way, who in here, especially among our wannabe group (mursenary, phallus, bigb and paulinzurich) are vaccinated?
(I am ready with the toast Hammertime! Got some great gin here!
[QUOTE=Canary;2555510]Just read in a German newspaper that the infection rates have dropped for three consecutive days and vaccinations are starting to rapidly increase with over a million people (1% of the population) vaccinated in just a day.
Very early days I appreciate but this data followed the same trend that occurred in the UK during the early days where now the levels are down to minimum figures.
Should we start to get optimistic?
As I said if it continues to follow the UK trend Germany could be 2/3 months away from fully reopening.
I'm feeling a little more optimistic that just maybe I will see the sun in the Sharks garden late summer?[/QUOTE]Anyone know how these club owners are making out through this pandemic? Did they have any have rescue / stimulus plans as we did here in the US for small businesses? Loan forgiveness? Other help?
If some owners are in distress and forced to sell their partial or full stakes, any guess how that might impact club openings and other services?
We keep thinking only from our pov and think clubs could open as soon as infections are under control which may be true; but a ton of work needs to happen behind the scenes for clubs to open, especially from owners and managers who are financially strapped in all likelihood.
Given current speed, but also pretty sound predictions ([URL]https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Durchimpfung-bis-Ende-Juli-ist-moeglich-article22526205.html[/URL]), a realistic scenario is that by Aug the majority of Germans are fully vaccinated.
Consequentially Sep would be a good timeframe for reopening. Optimists like me, might even hope for July / Aug. But I guess folks will only be granted access if immunized. I have just got my first shot last week.
Pessimists dream up all kinds of other possibilities (new sars-cov2-variants, etc), and then everything is of course unclear.
[QUOTE=Kuni042;2555871]Given current speed, but also pretty sound predictions ([URL]https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Durchimpfung-bis-Ende-Juli-ist-moeglich-article22526205.html[/URL]), a realistic scenario is that by Aug the majority of Germans are fully vaccinated.
Consequentially Sep would be a good timeframe for reopening. Optimists like me, might even hope for July / Aug. But I guess folks will only be granted access if immunized. I have just got my first shot last week.
Pessimists dream up all kinds of other possibilities (new sars-cov2-variants, etc), and then everything is of course unclear.[/QUOTE]Strategy to win elections? When I thought Trump and Bolsonaro were the craziest.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2555822] ... maybe why I didn't see too heavy Sagan performing..[/QUOTE]From the Tour de Romandie official website, Peter Sagan Taille 184 cm Poids 73 kg. Is your eye based scale wrong or since you said you are 25 kg lighter you must be 48 kg. Need any help opening the ketchup bottle?
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2555794]Don't make dream guys here, when forbidden on roof, but only little room between showers and lift, or You can impress your WG calling from room the other side of the world. Some like to show what we write to girls in room, paying time with girls for this, or maybe 30 mn are too long for sex for them. I may be as slow for sex as I try to be fast driving.[/QUOTE]Sorry to disappoint you, I have no need to impress the WGs. I never tell them I write in a forum and based on what I write no WG could ever recognize me. I am sure they would recognize you based on your writing immediately, you are truly "special."
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2555822]I give my turn for vaccine to those who need or want, I wait to test my lungs and heart on June, would be impossible to make so intense effort being infected by covid, like I did my numerous tests on last Summer...[/QUOTE]How can you still not understand after all this time? Regardless of how low risk the disease is for the individual person, everybody can get infected. There are enough cases of professional sport people who got infected who are 20+ years younger and orders of magnitude fitter than you. While you have it, even with zero symptoms, you can transmit it to other people. Maybe you are protected if people with low IQ can't catch the virus. The studies for this are still outstanding.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2555809] Your ZH woman must have real reasons for longer lockdown and I'm fully sure much more important reasons than caring about Romanian WGs who are most of the prostitution business, even in ZH.[/QUOTE]Interesting expectation you have here that politicians make only logical decisions based on facts. Strange expectation coming from somebody who doesn't understand logic or facts.
[QUOTE=Kuni042;2555871]Given current speed, but also pretty sound predictions ([URL]https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Durchimpfung-bis-Ende-Juli-ist-moeglich-article22526205.html[/URL]), a realistic scenario is that by Aug the majority of Germans are fully vaccinated.
Consequentially Sep would be a good timeframe for reopening. Optimists like me, might even hope for July / Aug. But I guess folks will only be granted access if immunized. I have just got my first shot last week.
Pessimists dream up all kinds of other possibilities (new sars-cov2-variants, etc), and then everything is of course unclear.[/QUOTE]That's great news and I think they may open in July / August if they keep up the vaccination rate. I also got my first shot last week, the second one will be in July and then I will be ready to play!
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2555845]Anyone know how these club owners are making out through this pandemic? Did they have any have rescue / stimulus plans as we did here in the US for small businesses? Loan forgiveness? Other help?
If some owners are in distress and forced to sell their partial or full stakes, any guess how that might impact club openings and other services?
We keep thinking only from our pov and think clubs could open as soon as infections are under control which may be true; but a ton of work needs to happen behind the scenes for clubs to open, especially from owners and managers who are financially strapped in all likelihood.[/QUOTE]I believe they have received support as any other business, but Germany-based mongers may be able to confirm this. I only know that some clubs are actually using this time to make some improvements and renovations (like FKK Sharks) and some have changed hands (FKK Acapulco Velbert is re-launching as FKK Prime [URL]https://fkk-prime.de[/URL]). I've also heard that GT Bruggen owner died and so it may change management soon.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2555836]Not really. The case here we are dealing with is a population reduction polt where maybe about 2,5-3 billion people will perish. In that case, do we really need PhallusMaximus going forward? Or should we give the survival ticket to some hot Bulgarian or Romanian girl instead?
The vaccine is the most dangerous bioweapon. More dangerous than covid itself. So just let Phallus get a shot![/QUOTE]You forgot to add a YouTube link in support of these claims.
[QUOTE=Canary;2555510]Just read in a German newspaper that the infection rates have dropped for three consecutive days and vaccinations are starting to rapidly increase with over a million people (1% of the population) vaccinated in just a day.
Very early days I appreciate but this data followed the same trend that occurred in the UK during the early days where now the levels are down to minimum figures.
Should we start to get optimistic?
As I said if it continues to follow the UK trend Germany could be 2/3 months away from fully reopening.
I'm feeling a little more optimistic that just maybe I will see the sun in the Sharks garden late summer?[/QUOTE]Yes, Germany has had a 15% reduction in new cases and 10% reduction in deaths this week compared to the previous one. 28.8 million doses given by 29 April. Fingers crossed this keeps going in the right direction.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2555845]Anyone know how these club owners are making out through this pandemic? Did they have any have rescue / stimulus plans as we did here in the US for small businesses? Loan forgiveness? Other help?
If some owners are in distress and forced to sell their partial or full stakes, any guess how that might impact club openings and other services?
We keep thinking only from our pov and think clubs could open as soon as infections are under control which may be true; but a ton of work needs to happen behind the scenes for clubs to open, especially from owners and managers who are financially strapped in all likelihood.[/QUOTE]Do you worry about brothels owners or staff? I worry much more about so many people all over the world who lost their job. Many brothels are kind of washing machines with Hells around. GT and LR real owner put women in front of him for responsibility, but he should not have anymore problems, as it was written, but same like for Vertigo 2.0, don't know if true. I don t worry much about brothels, nor WGs, because not serious business for me. Not real job for girls, just fast big money.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2555897]From the Tour de Romandie official website, Peter Sagan Taille 184 cm Poids 73 kg. Is your eye based scale wrong or since you said you are 25 kg lighter you must be 48 kg. Need any help opening the ketchup bottle?[/QUOTE]If real, then he should climb faster than on last week, when no Zoncolan nor French Loze steep. You have really no knowledge about body shape and weight, just to repeat such internet figures. I don t believe all data on internet, I m able to think by myself and for sure he is not improving on not so steep climbings when cold and rain should have helped him, lowering average level.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2555905]Interesting expectation you have here that politicians make only logical decisions based on facts. Strange expectation coming from somebody who doesn't understand logic or facts.[/QUOTE]I just don't agree with you and I'm fully sure not only 1 Swiss woman decision, when she might also decide 1 year ago for ZH. When ZH is big brothel for Switzerland, maybe a risk for citizens safety at the moment. Isn't ZH still under lockdown since many months and for more than only brothels? Which may not be the most important point for decision about lockdown, except for few who seem to suffer from painful balls here. Much less brothels in other kantons. Just be patient, Globe will reopen one day. You can go to others if you are in hurry.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2555904]How can you still not understand after all this time? Regardless of how low risk the disease is for the individual person, everybody can get infected. There are enough cases of professional sport people who got infected who are 20+ years younger and orders of magnitude fitter than you. While you have it, even with zero symptoms, you can transmit it to other people. Maybe you are protected if people with low IQ can't catch the virus. The studies for this are still outstanding.[/QUOTE]I don't know what tell You Swiss doctors, not what is written on internet, but French doctors tell us vaccine don t prevent from catching and still giving spreading, but protect You not to be heavily sick, not sure about mutants and for how long. I trust more French doctors than internet data, when they tell more safe to keep on mask even after vaccine. From my experience since covid arrival more than 1 year ago and many girls, knowing a bit my body from my sport, my only tests were my climbings performances, when unfortunately no ski on 2 last Winters for first time since I was not 3 yet, so I let my turn to many obese, asthmatic, diabetic, heart and lungs problems who should not have anymore risk after my vaccine dose. Do you think girls in brothels are vaccinated? When Zeus and Cleo say they are tested, how often? I look forward making my own tests in my mountains, no lies there under effort. Lungs and heart will tell, same like on last Summer. But I advice to all those who need or want, to vaccine, of course. Better not to follow me when we are all different as say girls.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2556010]Do you worry about brothels owners or staff? I worry much more about so many people all over the world who lost their job. Many brothels are kind of washing machines with Hells around. GT and LR real owner put women in front of him for responsibility, but he should not have anymore problems, as it was written, but same like for Vertigo 2.0, don't know if true. I don t worry much about brothels, nor WGs, because not serious business for me. Not real job for girls, just fast big money.[/QUOTE]I worry about many people but I try to express each worry in a relevant place. What good would it do if I express my concern for local autistic children in an international monger forum and concern for international mongers and Romanian WGs in a local autistic children's forum?
You do have a point about some owners being extra legal; hence their inability to withstand business losses may not be the same as those of legitimate businesses. That said, not even crime is immune to a pandemic driven lock down.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2556020]If real, then he should climb faster than on last week, when no Zoncolan nor French Loze steep. You have really no knowledge about body shape and weight, just to repeat such internet figures. I don t believe all data on internet, I m able to think by myself and for sure he is not improving on not so steep climbings when cold and rain should have helped him, lowering average level.[/QUOTE]So the official website of the competition knows less than your eye based scale looking at the TV. You won't accept reality even if Sagan would weigh himself in front of you on a calibrated scale. You don't even realize that since you can't accept so easily proven facts, [B]nothing you say, in whatever topic is believable [/B].
This is the equivalent of a toddler putting two fingers in his ears, closing his eyes and shouting "la la la la".
[QUOTE=RockyV;2555974]You forgot to add a YouTube link in support of these claims.[/QUOTE]Here you go!
[URL]https://youtu.be/vm4JJWIhQXo?t=41[/URL]
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2555902]Sorry to disappoint you, I have no need to impress the WGs. I never tell them I write in a forum and based on what I write no WG could ever recognize me. I am sure they would recognize you based on your writing immediately, you are truly "special."[/QUOTE]Do you think I claim to girls I write here? Do you know many guys are better to tell girls, to send whatsapp to Megan or others about my writings, rather than performing for sex. But you wrote you saw my experience at Globe, so you should know around my weight to be able to open ananas bottles or to press oranges on Sunday brunch, when ketchup is not good to be fit, I ask for tomatoes at Globe, with my pastas. If I saw you, I could tell you if you have a climber body or not, even under robe. I don't understand why girls need to read us, when some at Globe do. I meant you can't call from the roof being sucked by your girl, but you can from a room, to impress her as a businessman calling US. I only try to impress WGs with my manners to treat them when we are together and usually they return to me, like busy Kate or Joana. De did on all my visits and not only them, my test when I would not be able to run again, after discovery, and pretty same everywhere in Switzerland, Germany, Austria. I need girls decide to come to me, waking up my desire.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2556039]I worry about many people but I try to express each worry in a relevant place. What good would it do if I express my concern for local autistic children in an international monger forum and concern for international mongers and Romanian WGs in a local autistic children's forum?
You do have a point about some owners being extra legal; hence their inability to withstand business losses may not be the same as those of legitimate businesses. That said, not even crime is immune to a pandemic driven lock down.[/QUOTE]Maybe not all, but I'm pretty sure many German brothels will reopen as soon allowed by law, even GT didn't reopen on September 2020. I don't know when about elections to come which won t help, but don t worry about this. As long business is good, will also have many WGs when peste will need a new Mercedes. Business don t seem so good on reopening on 2020. I wonder if girls who moved to Switzerland will return for German rate.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2556040]So the official website of the competition knows less than your eye based scale looking at the TV. You won't accept reality even if Sagan would weigh himself in front of you on a calibrated scale. You don't even realize that since you can't accept so easily proven facts, [B]nothing you say, in whatever topic is believable [/B].
This is the equivalent of a toddler putting two fingers in his ears, closing his eyes and shouting "la la la la".[/QUOTE]You seem kind of guy who believe all what is written on internet. I don t, I prefer to listen to doctors and sports specialists. If You knew a bit about sports, You would know round muscles are heavy, long muscles are less and more performing for long time intense effort. Yes Sagan is a puncher, sprinter, even seems less fast now, but I think Gerent Thomas is closer to 73 kgs than him and I didn't see him following Thomas who is not a real climber like Bernal or Quintana or Pinot when not sick. I remember Davide Formolo was Bora leader in mountains, not Sagan. You can check on internet, I don t need, I know from Stelvio, land of climbers, reality there, not internet.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2555974]You forgot to add a YouTube link in support of these claims.[/QUOTE]Or a link to an article that says the opposite of what his claim is.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2556026]I just don't agree with you and I'm fully sure not only 1 Swiss woman decision, when she might also decide 1 year ago for ZH. When ZH is big brothel for Switzerland, maybe a risk for citizens safety at the moment. Isn't ZH still under lockdown since many months and for more than only brothels? Which may not be the most important point for decision about lockdown, except for few who seem to suffer from painful balls here. Much less brothels in other kantons. Just be patient, Globe will reopen one day. You can go to others if you are in hurry.[/QUOTE]You really like to get a regular spanking, don't you? Here is the "lockdown" in Zürich, like in the rest of Switzerland. Restaurants and bars are open outside, gyms are open, including inside. Schools are open, from primary to universities. Parks are full of people, there is no curfew.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2556035]I don't know what tell You Swiss doctors, not what is written on internet, but French doctors tell us vaccine don t prevent from catching and still giving spreading, but protect You not to be heavily sick, not sure about mutants and for how long. I trust more French doctors than internet data, when they tell more safe to keep on mask even after vaccine. From my experience since covid arrival more than 1 year ago and many girls, knowing a bit my body from my sport, my only tests were my climbings performances, when unfortunately no ski on 2 last Winters for first time since I was not 3 yet, so I let my turn to many obese, asthmatic, diabetic, heart and lungs problems who should not have anymore risk after my vaccine dose. Do you think girls in brothels are vaccinated? When Zeus and Cleo say they are tested, how often? I look forward making my own tests in my mountains, no lies there under effort. Lungs and heart will tell, same like on last Summer. But I advice to all those who need or want, to vaccine, of course. Better not to follow me when we are all different as say girls.[/QUOTE]Is it the French doctor who brought up the hydroxychloroquine BS? I am not going to bother to post links to studies on Lancet or NEJM since they are not written for toddlers. Do you see how open Israel is, even events with mass participation? Why do you think that is happening? If you say it's the warm weather, please explain what is happening in India and Brazil.
Give it another couple of months when the corona pass shows up and you will see how WGs get vaccinated.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2555974]You forgot to add a YouTube link in support of these claims.[/QUOTE]I don't need youtube links. This is simple logic and truth among the well informed.
I know that some here like to spar against those who spout jibberish, but if you continue to quote them it only offers encouragement. Can we simply state our point, and hopefully, after a while only argue about mongering topics, but Covid certainly will affect mongering for a good while longer. There is the old standby, ignore button, which allows one to avoid BS and long boring posts. I'the like to see a "do not quote" button.
[QUOTE=Kuni042;2555871]Given current speed, but also pretty sound predictions ([URL]https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Durchimpfung-bis-Ende-Juli-ist-moeglich-article22526205.html[/URL]), a realistic scenario is that by Aug the majority of Germans are fully vaccinated.
Consequentially Sep would be a good timeframe for reopening. Optimists like me, might even hope for July / Aug. But I guess folks will only be granted access if immunized. I have just got my first shot last week.
Pessimists dream up all kinds of other possibilities (new sars-cov2-variants, etc), and then everything is of course unclear.[/QUOTE]September 1st? Great! Just in time for the autumn flu season and the next round of lockdowns! LOL!
Spoiler alert: why do you think Merkel changed the law to allow her to unilaterally impose lockdowns upon all the individual federal states?
[QUOTE=RockyV;2555975]Yes, Germany has had a 15% reduction in new cases and 10% reduction in deaths this week compared to the previous one. 28.8 million doses given by 29 April. Fingers crossed this keeps going in the right direction.[/QUOTE]Yes, it's a phenomenon called SPRING and it seems to happen every year when Corona viruses are retreating with the advent of warmer weather! LOL! Duh! And you think you are the "scientist" and the "expert" here? Hahahaha!
It's been very nice weather in Germany for many weeks now: sunny, a few splashes of spring rain but nothing to get you drenched, temperatures above 15 C, so many people are going outside getting fresh air and vitamin the through sunshine. In case you didn't know, all those things are good for the immune system, much better than fascist lockdowns!
[QUOTE=Pistons;2555840]By the way, who in here, especially among our wannabe group (mursenary, phallus, bigb and paulinzurich) are vaccinated?
(I am ready with the toast Hammertime! Got some great gin here![/QUOTE]Yes, there will be a massiveDarwinian selection taking place in the next few years!
All the naive and brainwashed idiots getting an experimental RNA "vaccine" because of a little Flu, thinking that 'they will get their freedoms back. '
Merkel already changed the law so that she can trigger a national lockdown any time she wants, so the vax-idiots here better enjoy their temporary freedoms quick, because I'm afraid it will be very short lived! (hint: "mutations" + massive testing campaigns will trigger the next lockdowns in autumn).
All I know is that wearing Gypsy Tears in an amulet are a sure fire way to counter disease. A Romanian WG saw this and immediately crossed herself and muttered an obscure Latin speech about maximus flagrante delicto (as I recall, but I was distracted at the time) if any scholars like Mursenary can translate this utterance.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2556057]You seem kind of guy who believe all what is written on internet. I don t, I prefer to listen to doctors and sports specialists. If You knew a bit about sports, You would know round muscles are heavy, long muscles are less and more performing for long time intense effort. Yes Sagan is a puncher, sprinter, even seems less fast now, but I think Gerent Thomas is closer to 73 kgs than him and I didn't see him following Thomas who is not a real climber like Bernal or Quintana or Pinot when not sick. I remember Davide Formolo was Bora leader in mountains, not Sagan. You can check on internet, I don t need, I know from Stelvio, land of climbers, reality there, not internet.[/QUOTE]So if Thomas is close to 73 kg, you must be faster than him too, right? After all there is a guy on the internet who says that weight is all that matters in cycling. I mean at your weight of 48 kgs surely you climb faster than a Tour de France winner.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2556079]It's been very nice weather in Germany for many weeks now: sunny, a few splashes of spring rain but nothing to get you drenched, temperatures above 15 C, so many people are going outside getting fresh air and vitamin the through sunshine. In case you didn't know, all those things are good for the immune system, much better than fascist lockdowns![/QUOTE]Current weather in Mumbai 30 see plus and sunny. Too bad nobody told people in India that warm weather is all they need to get rid of Covid.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2556057] I remember Davide Formolo was Bora leader in mountains, not Sagan.[/QUOTE]Nice try, I never said Sagan climbs faster than Formolo. I remember you claiming that you climb faster than Sagan. Just as realistic as a 3 year old claiming that they can fly.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2556045]I meant you can't call from the roof being sucked by your girl, but you can from a room...[/QUOTE]I made before phone calls from the terrace, even if not while with a WG. Phone in the pocket and bluetooth headset. How do manage to tie your shoe laces alone?
Like China, Russia closed borders but they had 450 000 more deaths on last year, compare to previously. I wonder how many more in China? Bad point about Russia closing borders, is no great Russian escorts now in Paris, but average Ukrainians who are not on same level for charm and body care.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2556079]September 1st? Great! Just in time for the autumn flu season and the next round of lockdowns! LOL!
Spoiler alert: why do you think Merkel changed the law to allow her to unilaterally impose lockdowns upon all the individual federal states?
Yes, it's a phenomenon called SPRING and it seems to happen every year when Corona viruses are retreating with the advent of warmer weather! LOL! Duh! And you think you are the "scientist" and the "expert" here? Hahahaha!
It's been very nice weather in Germany for many weeks now: sunny, a few splashes of spring rain but nothing to get you drenched, temperatures above 15 C, so many people are going outside getting fresh air and vitamin the through sunshine. In case you didn't know, all those things are good for the immune system, much better than fascist lockdowns![/QUOTE]Oh yes, of course, that's why New Delhi and Bangalore with 39 degrees. Hot weather they are not experiencing any new cases right now! LOL! Duh!
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2556085]Yes, there will be a massiveDarwinian selection taking place in the next few years!
All the naive and brainwashed idiots getting an experimental RNA "vaccine" because of a little Flu, thinking that 'they will get their freedoms back. '....[/QUOTE]Someone told me that the vaccines will have no physical effect on you but contains a secretly created chemical that goes to the brain and makes a person more compliant and less inclined to get angry or upset at circumstances. Sounds like conspiracy theory to me.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2556079]Yes, it's a phenomenon called SPRING and it seems to happen every year when Corona viruses are retreating with the advent of warmer weather! LOL! Duh! And you think you are the "scientist" and the "expert" here? Hahahaha!
It's been very nice weather in Germany for many weeks now: sunny, a few splashes of spring rain but nothing to get you drenched, temperatures above 15 C, so many people are going outside getting fresh air and vitamin the through sunshine. In case you didn't know, all those things are good for the immune system, much better than fascist lockdowns![/QUOTE]The high temperatures in these cities this week:
32 C Mumbai, India.
39 C New Dehli, India.
30 C Rio, Brasil.
28 C Sao Paolo, Brasil.
26 C Istanbul, Turkey.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96] Yes, it's a phenomenon called SPRING and it seems to happen every year when Corona viruses are retreating with the advent of warmer weather! LOL! Duh! And you think you are the "scientist" and the "expert" here? Hahahaha![/QUOTE]Makes total sense as usual.
In Rio de Janeiro on average the temperatures are increasing from July to February. Everyone here agrees that it's a little bit warmer than in Germany.
Now go on Google, search 'conass. Org. Br obitos causas naturais', scroll down, select sudeste for the region and look at RJ from week 27 (beginning of July) to week 52. Funny but the excess mortality is not decreasing at all. Actually it reaches a peak of +65 % in December when the average temperature is 28,6 celsius degree according to Wikipedia.
But I'm sure that this conass website and Wikipedia are sold to big pharma, Bill Gates, Klaus schwab and the elders of Zion.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2556149]So if Thomas is close to 73 kg, you must be faster than him too, right? After all there is a guy on the internet who says that weight is all that matters in cycling. I mean at your weight of 48 kgs surely you climb faster than a Tour de France winner.[/QUOTE]New alternate reality.
Years of training 30+ h / week are useless, all you need is 1000 km a year during 4 months and some kind of crappy Taiwanese made mountain bike mounted with slick tires to compete with champions.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2556252]Sounds like conspiracy theory to me.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern/oktoberfest-2021-in-muenchen-absage-immer-wahrscheinlicher[/URL], SVlhH91.
This is how 'effective' all those "vaccines" are! / sarc.
Think about this guys: when they are seriously contemplating to cancel an event where people meet for a beer, do you really think that in September they will allow hundreds of horny men to walk around inside a steamy, smokey, poorly ventilated FKK club and so that they can have close physical contact with women?
Many people here are thinking with the wrong 'head. ' LOL!
[QUOTE]Zuvor hatte die Bild-Zeitung OB Reiter mit den Worten zitiert: "Die Hoffnung wird von Woche zu Woche schwächer." Bereits vor wenigen Wochen hatte sich Reiter zurückhaltend zu den Chancen einer Wiesn in diesem Jahr geäußert. Bayerns Ministerpräsident Markus Söder (CSU) hatte sich ebenfalls skeptisch gezeigt.[/QUOTE]My amateur translation: 'The Bild newspaper quotes OB Reiter with the words: "hope is getting weaker from week to week. " Already a few weeks ago, Reiter has expressed reluctance regarding the chances of a "Wiesn" in this year. Bavaria's minister president, Markus Soeder (CSU), has also shown scepticism.'
For all the "lockdowns-work" fanatics here: have a look at this graph: [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=new_deaths_per_million&Metric=Confirmed[/URL]+deaths&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=DEU SWE CHE.
Here is North Dakota versus South Dakota: [URL]https://www.postbulletin.com/newsmd/coronavirus/6824462-North-Dakota-got-a-mask-mandate-South-Dakota-didnt.-COVID-19-cases-have-plummeted-in-both[/URL].
[QUOTE]With COVID-19 cases running out of control in North Dakota in mid-November, Gov. Doug Burgum intervened, installing a statewide mask mandate. A month and a half later, the state's pandemic status is nearly unrecognizable: Active virus cases have descended from more than 10,000 at the time of the mandate to fewer than 2,000 today.
But neighboring South Dakota, which had vied with North Dakota for the worst-in-the-nation per capita metrics for much of October and November, has experienced a similarly remarkable turnaround, and without any significant state-level intervention.[/QUOTE]Go ahead guys, keep on destroying our hobby and our freedom for the virus with roughly the same mortality as the seasonal flu!
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2556281]Go ahead guys, keep on destroying our hobby and our freedom for the virus with roughly the same mortality as the seasonal flu![/QUOTE]According to cdc. Gov / flu.
Since the 2010-2011 season, the estimated number of deaths from flu in United States has varied from 12,000 a year to 61,000 a year.
One year after the outbreak, March 1 2021, there were 530,000 deaths in USA (source worldometers). Maybe the USA population increased very fast but I have some doubts.
You have some issues with proportionality don't you?
No 'mathematics lessons for 12 years old' in your conspiracy theorists summer camps?
Take a ride to India, Brazil, Michigan state, Oregon State, Washington state USA, then tells us that it's only the seasonal flu.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2556281]Go ahead guys, keep on destroying our hobby and our freedom for the virus with roughly the same mortality as the seasonal flu![/QUOTE]Even better than USA, the world.
Influenza: [URL]https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/influenza-[/URL](seasonal).
From 290,000 to 650,000 deaths every year.
Covid 19 : [URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL].
Around 2 M deaths on January the 1st of 2021.
Define 'roughly' please. In your conspiracy thesaurus it's 'from factor x3 to factor x7', or something like that?