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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2594626]Oxford University study destroys vaccine "efficacy:
[URL]https://www.bloombergquint.com/onweb/covid-vaccines-are-less-effective-against-delta-in-u-k-study[/URL]
Keep on getting "jabbed" and "tagged" like a sheep you suckers! Every time you take a gamble with your long-term health and on top of that the shit barely works.[/QUOTE]Please, somebody explain him what the article says.
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[QUOTE=Nordico;2594810]Please, somebody explain him what the article says.[/QUOTE]Well the vaccine is less effective over time. This should be well know by now. If you go out more than six months, it no long effective at preventing infection. I have to add that it does prevent death and hospitalization in people with comorbidity, which is old people.
There is something call evolution. Think of antibiotic select for drug resistant bacteria. Vaccine adaptive immunity will select for vaccine resistant virus. This can result in variant that will kill young, healthy people.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2594209]We are in agreement. COVID will fade. Vaccines are a tool, a shortcut, lives can be saved in the process. We can choose to use it, abide by Occam's razor and side with the most likely explanation. Or we can continue to look for zebras.
Either way, COVID will pass and the next pandemic will come at some point. For now, what we learn from this experience is of most importance. For now, I'll side with interpreting hoof-steps as horses, go with the most likely scenario and not look for opportunities to come off as being an insightful seer.[/QUOTE]We will learn nothing.
COVID come from a lab or is that still a conspiracy. Personally, I think it was an accident. Chinese culture and BSL-3 or 4 is not a good mix. People are under pressure to hide their mistake and not get out of line. Not a good idea if you are messing around with gain of function virus. They need to be westernized if they are going to do that work. BTW, I'm an Asian guy.
When it come to antiviral drug, we still doing clinical trial 10 days after PCR positive test. If there is a lot of noise or if the signal is weak, I wonder why. Can you take a guess. LOL they want these drug to fail. We learn nothing!
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[QUOTE=Nordico;2594810]Please, somebody explain him what the article says.[/QUOTE]Why does somebody else have to explain it? Can't you explain it?
Oh, look at all those "cases" in the most vaccinated western countries, Israel, Iceland, UK, and then compare them to Sweden:
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=new_cases_smoothed_per_million&Metric=Confirmed[/URL]+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=ISL ISR GBR SWE.
And then look at the deaths:
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=new_deaths_per_million&Metric=Confirmed[/URL]+deaths&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=ISR ISL SWE GBR.
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[QUOTE=Nordico;2594810]Please, somebody explain him what the article says.[/QUOTE]Impossible he's a cultist. He'll answer 'libtards', 'cccp' and 'gert Vanden wtf' (the guy who wants to cure everything with the killer vaccine boiling in his garage).
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2594796]What I say is only 2 doses of ARN or AZ for UK are now known as not enough to be efficient now for delta, how many doses will be? 1 per new mutant? When still 0 dose for me and still kissing, datying, all over FKK land and cleaning my lungs climbing. I will only to buy my freedom with pass to be allowed to breathe, but after my Summer tour and only strict minimum to get free, I don t want 50 doses to make Pfizer business with their water, kind of placebo? Unfortunately, Janssen with only 1 dose seem quite rare.[/QUOTE]Current infections in Switzerland are 99.4 % delta variant. While this was not the case in January, the numbers from my post still stand. Since end of January only 0. 34 % of infections are breakthrough infections. So Pfizer and Moderna work well enough against delta variant too. Currently half of the Swiss population is vaccinated. If the vaccines would not work at all, right now half of infections should be breakthrough infections. We are very very far from that. Efficacy goes down in time, that is nothing new, from last year there were discussions that yearly shots might be required. Currently the pandemic is kept alive by the unvaccinated people.
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[QUOTE=Nordico;2595025]Are you the guy with a Tengele tattoo in the arm, I saw in Aftonbladet? I think you are just afraid of needles, but can't admit it to yourself.[/QUOTE]You seem ignorant, and WTF is Tengele? Weirdo.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2594977]Current infections in Switzerland are 99.4 % delta variant. While this was not the case in January, the numbers from my post still stand. Since end of January only 0. 34 % of infections are breakthrough infections. So Pfizer and Moderna work well enough against delta variant too. Currently half of the Swiss population is vaccinated. If the vaccines would not work at all, right now half of infections should be breakthrough infections. We are very very far from that. Efficacy goes down in time, that is nothing new, from last year there were discussions that yearly shots might be required. Currently the pandemic is kept alive by the unvaccinated people.[/QUOTE]Biden from US, Israel and UK don t seem to think like You about efficiency, when third dose is already planned, after 9 months and not only for weak in US. Some vaccinated are also positive, when my many tests, PCR or antigen or fast were all negative, I would say around 15 tests, when I live as usual, even Summer 2021 is more complicated for organization than on 2020.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2594977].Currently the pandemic is kept alive by the unvaccinated people.[/QUOTE]Wrong, wrong, wrong. The pandemic is kept alive because of transition, which the vaccine does not prevent. In addition, there is now none-human host reservoir.
The only way to end the pandemic and get back to normal life is to let it burn. People can take vaccine or ivermectin if they want. But we need to let it burn. And try to kill of any population of animal that serve as host reservoir.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2594796]What I say is only 2 doses of ARN or AZ for UK are now known as not enough to be efficient now for delta, how many doses will be?[/QUOTE]Polio took 4 doses.
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[QUOTE=NiteRiderCal;2594816]There is something call evolution. Think of antibiotic select for drug resistant bacteria. Vaccine adaptive immunity will select for vaccine resistant virus. This can result in variant that will kill young, healthy people.[/QUOTE]How is the selective pressure put on these viruses by Ivermectin different than selective pressure by vaccines?
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2594879]Why does somebody else have to explain it? Can't you explain it?
Oh, look at all those "cases" in the most vaccinated western countries, Israel, Iceland, UK, and then compare them to Sweden:
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=new_cases_smoothed_per_million&Metric=Confirmed[/URL]+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=ISL ISR GBR SWE.
And then look at the deaths:
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=new_deaths_per_million&Metric=Confirmed[/URL]+deaths&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=ISR ISL SWE GBR.[/QUOTE]Sweden death rate against US, UK, Israel, Iceland: middle of the pack, 3rd of 5. 18 x higher than Iceland and 2 x higher than Israel.
[URL] https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2021-02-09..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=USA~GBR~ISR~SWE~ISL[/URL]
Sweden vaccination rate against same countries: Also middle of the pack, 4th of 5.
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2021-02-09..latest&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=People+vaccinated&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=USA~GBR~ISR~SWE~ISL[/URL]
Comparable vaccination rate and comparable death rates although lags behind Iceland and Israel significantly.
What's the point. Only conclusion I can draw is that the more social-cultural diversity and thus behaviors and attitude toward covid mitigation, the worse the outcome.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2595074]Biden from US, Israel and UK don t seem to think like You about efficiency, when third dose is already planned, after 9 months and not only for weak in US. Some vaccinated are also positive, when my many tests, PCR or antigen or fast were all negative, I would say around 15 tests, when I live as usual, even Summer 2021 is more complicated for organization than on 2020.[/QUOTE]You seem to be capable to distinguish between different letters, but you don't understand the meaning of words.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2595084]For me, second choice when I find more fresh natural beauties with more elegance in Germany for less expensive. I was happy to read one of my good girls is still at Sharks, even I m on my sporty holidays, but I would be happy to taste her for seventh time when only discovered her on 9 July.[/QUOTE]You keep saying how in every club you were how you find fresh natural beauties. Yet you then move to the next club.
With regards sporty holidays, what a sad joke. You yourself wrote a few days ago you have cycled less than 100 km since October. I was right when I said my grandmother cycles more than you.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2595146]You seem to be capable to distinguish between different letters, but you don't understand the meaning of words.[/QUOTE]But just facts: third dose in big number 1 in the world and high vaccination rate UK and Israel, versus so small with less than 5 millions in Switzerland. And I m pretty sure not last dose. Always negative weekly tests for me, so I can't spread, when delta is spreading everywhere and some vaccinated do spread. I will vaccinate only to buy my freedom, not because I want, when my many weekly tests talk. No control in Switzerland, but I was never refused to enter in Germany nor Austria. For me, vaccination is only useful for weak who need to be protected, when facts show vaccination high rate don't stop spreading and when poor countries have low rate for vaccination. Vaccines also don't seem so efficient versus new mutants. Never ending good business story for Pfizer which will become very rich. Lack of efficiency seem to give good business.