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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2574235]Your wrote before you would be in Koln forrest on 30 July, didn't you? Can 't you be at Wellcum after Koln? When do you think you worth I drive more than 2500 kms to go and back, for you? Anyway, I really wish to be healthy enough to start on Saturday 3 July with Iseran. After 2 really sad Winters with no ski, would be really sad not to climb 25 highest ranked for more than 30 000 meters up, just for pleasure for my holidays.[/QUOTE]In Germany for one week in July / August. Anywhere in Western Germany until August 2nd.
Any date, any place in Europe in early October.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2574246]Read better: I wrote I was happy and proud of my speed on top of Loze which is the steepest, compare to Sagan in gruppetto who couldn't be too late, not to be kicked off. And I really wish to be faster on this Summer, when I always only go to try to be faster, when I don't have same high tech bicycle but I don't need, nor same preparation, nor same dopping, just for my passion and pleasure for my holidays. I m pretty sure you would not even be able to climb Loze, just look at profile, nor even Gran San Bernardino which is much less difficult. For sure, a bit more sporty than laying on back at Globe, heart is a bit faster.[/QUOTE]4 km / h is nothing to be proud off. 100% sure you were not faster than Sagan, nobody sane believes that. You had plenty of opportunities to prove your claims yet you never do. Maybe you are proud that you could stay upright with the help of your training wheels.
I claim my grandmother cycles faster than you.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2574269]If you park yourself in Frankfurt and attended a club 6 days a week, 52 weeks a year (assume you need a day of sabbath like god did), and assume you purchase cheap entry tickets in bulk because you attend daily and assume you take 3 hourly sessions with no extras every day, your spend may come to 52*6*350 = 109 K (assuming 50 for entry ticket). If you saved up 2 million and park it in a 5% yielding security, you can do this for the rest of your life and not touch the principal. Conversely, for a dude with disposable spending of 500 K annually, that is only 21%, even with this absurd example. (and BTW, any dude who is spending nearly all his waking time in clubs like that has no need for any other disposable income; he might as well rent a bunk bed next to a WG inside the club and just live there).[/QUOTE]Yes, it is a guess. But to be fair, I think your comment about Asian hunters charging 150 EUR per hour pre-pandemic is a guess too. I get the impression that Asian mongers are more susceptible to being bullied at the money locker than forming a long-term sugar baby relationship. Especially if there is a language barrier. So it's a quick score as opposed to financially draining a monger's account over a long term. I would guess it is easier for the WG to keep a sugar daddy addicted, if the monger is local to Frankfurt or at least Western Europe. Without regular contact, those money transfers might stop.
I had to double check my definitions since both you and Mursenary interpreted my calculations as pre-tax:
[QUOTE]Disposable income is the money that is available to invest, save, or spend on necessities and nonessential items [b]after deducting income taxes.[/b]
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/033015/what-difference-between-disposable-income-and-discretionary-income.asp[/QUOTE]Wouldn't after tax income be a better way to assess budgeting? Since Americans and Europeans are taxed differently.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2574208]What other thread than rants and WTF would you propose? Seems well placed if you ask me.[/QUOTE]Isn't it interesting that the persons who complain the most about content of posts are the ones who post the most trash?
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2574495]Yes, it is a guess. But to be fair, I think your comment about Asian hunters charging 150 EUR per hour pre-pandemic is a guess too. I get the impression that Asian mongers are more susceptible to being bullied at the money locker than forming a long-term sugar baby relationship. Especially if there is a language barrier. So it's a quick score as opposed to financially draining a monger's account over a long term. I would guess it is easier for the WG to keep a sugar daddy addicted, if the monger is local to Frankfurt or at least Western Europe. Without regular contact, those money transfers might stop.
I had to double check my definitions since both you and Mursenary interpreted my calculations as pre-tax:
Wouldn't after tax income be a better way to assess budgeting? Since Americans and Europeans are taxed differently.[/QUOTE]I did not interpret disposable as pre tax. My tax comment applied to your earlier statements about income levels. Generally, when income levels are stated, it is customary to use pre tax to make those brackets because every person's tax rate can be different (eg. "average income level in US is $x". Here x refers to pre tax, not post tax). Your statements implied an income of 250 K or whatever as being rich yadda yadda, but a gross income in itself says very little about someone in today's society. Jobs can be lost at a minute notice, expense and responsibility and tax levels can be vastly different, etc. The broader point is, income is a relatively useless metric to judge one's wealth; net worth is much better (however, accurate data can be hard to come by).
I think the "150 charged by Asian hunters" is absolutely not a guess. I did not say every single Asian hunter charged that much of every single monger in the club, but many did; those have been well reported here and many of those girls have got those bad habits and demanded similar amounts of many other non Asians too, me included. To be sure, I don't place the blame on solely Asians but it is the girls themselves who called themselves Asian hunters. May be not in so many words but "I do anal only w / Asians" "I am very popular with Asians" etc are quite often heard from some of the better known Asian hunters.
Personally, I think it is impossible to generalize 4+ billion Asians. Might as well call them "men or mongers". The only difference is that the Asian dudes in FKKs are a small subset of all Asians out there; I don't know if there are some specific characteristics common to them, other than they are in a foreign country, have language and cultural issues; I hear native Japanese guys in the clubs are somewhat pliant but could be just a stereotype.
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[QUOTE=Lanthano;2574517]And despite what I thought, Palace is reopening on the 2nd July, this Friday.
50 euro entry. As it will probably be a sausage fest, expect free food.
[URL]https://www.fkk24.de/the-palace/events/wiedereroeffnung[/URL]
Should I go? What do you think?[/QUOTE]Of course you have to go, you will get a great sausage festival and on top of that with some luck Delta or even Delta plus variant, impossible not to take this very attractive offer.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2574341]In Germany for one week in July / August. Anywhere in Western Germany until August 2nd.
Any date, any place in Europe in early October.[/QUOTE]OK, so not Zoncolan because too far to drive from Paris, but I will try to find another famous legend closer to Germany where I think you should mainly stay, for beginning of October, on week end. Won't be so steep. Maybe San Bernardino. Ch from Martigny climbing to my beloved Verbier. A bit steep to Verbier, about 550 kms south Sharks. I remember when Contador exploded Armstrong there.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2574614]Of course you have to go, you will get a great sausage festival and on top of that with some luck Delta or even Delta plus variant, impossible not to take this very attractive offer.[/QUOTE]Is this before or after the cops storm in and then call my mother telling her I've been in a brothel?
If you can't post anything useful, perhaps don't post at all.
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[QUOTE=Lanthano;2574642]If you can't post anything useful, perhaps don't post at all.[/QUOTE]Thumbs up!
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2574495]Yes, it is a guess. But to be fair, I think your comment about Asian hunters charging 150 EUR per hour pre-pandemic is a guess too. I get the impression that Asian mongers are more susceptible to being bullied at the money locker than forming a long-term sugar baby relationship. Especially if there is a language barrier. So it's a quick score as opposed to financially draining a monger's account over a long term. I would guess it is easier for the WG to keep a sugar daddy addicted, if the monger is local to Frankfurt or at least Western Europe. Without regular contact, those money transfers might stop.
I had to double check my definitions since both you and Mursenary interpreted my calculations as pre-tax:
Wouldn't after tax income be a better way to assess budgeting? Since Americans and Europeans are taxed differently.[/QUOTE]I didn't even notice that you said disposable. So you're probably on point with that "one third if not more" estimate. I wouldn't even throw in the tax / post tax stuff as even if Americans pay less in taxes, we pay on the back end since we don't have the social services provided by the European counterparts.
Almost by pure logistics, Asians from Asia will not ever be the long game, addiction type. The only Asian whales are the Euro-Asians and the Asian-Americans. The guys who pay 150 e per hour cross all demographics, Europeans included. Focusing on only the Asians is just scapegoating that phenomenon.
What girls really get with the Asian-Asians is the no-confrontation, no-stress quick buck. They can run through a busload of 6 Japanese businessmen in 2 hours and come out 300-500 euro. They come out well paid after sessions where the guys don't demand much. Low stress, decent bucks, hardly ever super old or obese, low body odor, yada yada. Of course they'll chase those clients, small dick or not. The worst they have to deal with is an overgrown Bush.
But I'll stress again how this is still scapegoating. With the exception of a quiet Monday / Tuesday at Oase, I've never seen a day where Asians make up more than 10% of clients. And I surely don't see groups of Asians 7 days a week. Point is, there just isn't enough business from only Asians to justify so my scapegoating. I'm guessing that at this moment, you will not see more than 2 or 3 Asians in any club and yet the Hessen reports suggest an even more Sharky environment than ever before. Even in NRW, these girls are apparently playing the CBJ angle more. And how often do those clubs have zero Asian clients, quite often.
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[QUOTE=Lanthano;2574642]Is this before or after the cops storm in and then call my mother telling her I've been in a brothel?
If you can't post anything useful, perhaps don't post at all.[/QUOTE]That really happened? Why would they call your mother? How old are you? Or you are disable or something? Why do cops call your mother? Palace is FKK, not a high school LOL!
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2574554]I think the "150 charged by Asian hunters" is absolutely not a guess. I did not say every single Asian hunter charged that much of every single monger in the club, but many did; those have been well reported here and many of those girls have got those bad habits and demanded similar amounts of many other non Asians too, me included.[/QUOTE]I have not really gone with many "new" WGs Sharks in a long time, although Sharks used to be my favorite club between 2014-2016.
So what I am reading is only some WGs charge some men 150 EUR per hour. To me, the most renowned Asian hunters would be Evita, Cosmina, Helen. I thought they were just known for being "busy" or otherwise "not available". And that they rejected men as opposed to quoting them higher rates. With those three, I have even heard of Asian mongers complain that they were bumped by other Asian mongers. My impression is that Evita, Cosmina, Helen charged Asian mongers market rates to lure them in, but just had a way of converting them to long-term business relationships with their charm (or the Asian mongers' gullibility). I have heard about Melissa charging 120 EUR per hour more or less to all mongers. But she is upfront about it. I do not think she targets Asians. I think there are some WGs who target any newbie monger, but specifically Asians who cannot speak English or German, trying to throw all extras and get 250 for 15 minutes work.
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[QUOTE=Lanthano;2574642]Is this before or after the cops storm in and then call my mother telling her I've been in a brothel?
If you can't post anything useful, perhaps don't post at all.[/QUOTE]I just try to help you to make the right decision. Have a look at the WHO about the transmission of the covid, you will probably understand that a FKK has everything wrong. I never try to think with my dick but with my head. Probably the next wave o the pandemic is on our door, 50% of the new cases are from fully vaccinated people if this is not a point of concern.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2574714]I have not really gone with many "new" WGs Sharks in a long time, although Sharks used to be my favorite club between 2014-2016.
So what I am reading is only some WGs charge some men 150 EUR per hour. To me, the most renowned Asian hunters would be Evita, Cosmina, Helen. I thought they were just known for being "busy" or otherwise "not available". And that they rejected men as opposed to quoting them higher rates. With those three, I have even heard of Asian mongers complain that they were bumped by other Asian mongers. My impression is that Evita, Cosmina, Helen charged Asian mongers market rates to lure them in, but just had a way of converting them to long-term business relationships with their charm (or the Asian mongers' gullibility). I have heard about Melissa charging 120 EUR per hour more or less to all mongers. But she is upfront about it. I do not think she targets Asians. I think there are some WGs who target any newbie monger, but specifically Asians who cannot speak English or German, trying to throw all extras and get 250 for 15 minutes work.[/QUOTE]Red hair Melissa sitting close to SM used to ask 100/30 or 150/60 , but she told before going, so she is honest.
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We have a user here baiting everyone who is left to write whatever he likes, even if it contributes nothing to the discussion.
Anyway, I am considering heading over there.