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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2537316]Wengen was a cluster and not me but Bern kanton decided to cancel most important event, Lauberhorn, is it not true?
Why a so strict lockdown since a while in Switzerland if everything is so fine? Why Germany and France forbid us to go? Must be reasons, maybe not on data, but real facts.[/QUOTE]New Zealand has been on strick lockdowns with very few cases. Recently they implemented a lock down when one 1 untraceable case was found. Lockdowns do not mean high numbers.
So I'll ask again, where's the data? Or are you on the same level as the conspiracy goons? I pegged you with psych issues, not issues of intellect. Was I wrong? I'd rather be proven wrong here.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2537353]How? With an oral solution?[/QUOTE]LOL, yeah some dudes love the_D. Hey it's 2021, let's keep an open mind and accept people from alternative walks of life.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2537471]That's nice. Still does not support claim that UK variant spread to Western Europe through Switzerland.[/QUOTE]No, not only from Switzerland and I never wrote this, when I wrote also in Austrian Tirol with ski tourism and under mutant, Bavaria wanted to close border with, also in France where UK mutant cluster in Vallorcine close to Verbier where UK couldn't stay, so they stayed in France. In Moselle 57 on German border, 50% new cases are mutant, so I find normal Germany try to protect, but German companies need 16.000 French workers and are buying tests for them to keep them working to make business and all these people needing to keep their job to feed their family. UK made clusters in Western continental Europe, mostly around ski spots they visited and then spreading with other people returning at home, with Belgium which was out of control and closed borders, not helping for their economy, Germany and Spain forbidding them and still right now, also not the best for their economy, but to protect versus mutants. When your data are only average figures, as we say in sport, details make performance. Same when I write about Swiss administration, but I never wrote Swiss people are robbers, even in brothels where I found really flexible staff at Freubad, Amesia and even number 2 Fritz at Globe. But I find covid is a real mirror for what is US society which prefer to play blind, far from American dream for so many millions, as told Texans with no water under cold: we feel to live in a third world country, at least for social, really not number 1 on this point. And yes, of course also too many deaths in France, but I find very good children could go to school and if I want I can go to buy new ski, but no others on Scott Neo 66 level for free ride and sharp curve to cut the ice between rocks, or can buy a less than 9 KGs new bicycle but I built mine with 34/32 and 36, for extreme, more than 20% steep climbing, when no interest for me to climb long Lautaret on 54/24, even I love Lautaret under snow, but to make my car rallye there, even I was not so convinced by quattro.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2537336] ... UK are not forbidden in France ... [/QUOTE]Well, there you go. Maybe that is the reason why you have so much UK variant in France. Occam's razor.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2537487] I pegged you with psych issues, not issues of intellect. Was I wrong? I'd rather be proven wrong here.[/QUOTE]My bet is on both.
Funny how he doesn't let this one go. He drops other claims when confronted, of course not accepting "hey, I was wrong there, stand corrected" just dropping the issue, like the one with WGs not needing to register in Switzerland.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2537521]No, not only from Switzerland and I never wrote this, when I wrote also in Austrian Tirol with ski tourism and under mutant, Bavaria wanted to close border with, also in France where UK mutant cluster in Vallorcine close to Verbier where UK couldn't stay, so they stayed in France.[/QUOTE]Well let's see what you did write:
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2532543]But do you know UK brought their mutant in Switzerland when they went to ski for Christmas and Sylvester, meeting other nationalities and then UK mutant spread now in Switzerland neighbours. Now also south African in south Tirol Austria or France close to German border[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Sirioja;2534218]UK is far over 100000 deaths, they spread mutant all over Western Europe, helped by everything for money Switzerland cluster in the middle of EU, so now we have more UK mutant new cases than the original one.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2535725]Apparently stratifying covid data by race is taboo in much of Europe but France's aversion to collecting racial data regarding covid has been brought to attention:
[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/coronavirus-france-race-data/2020/06/25/e5b4d0a6-b58d-11ea-9a1d-d3db1cbe07ce_story.html%3FoutputType%3Damp[/URL]
Similar disparities can probably be seen everywhere but apparently it is taboo to report racial data in Europe:
[URL]Www.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN27Z0M3[/URL].[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Sirioja;2537521]But I find covid is a real mirror for what is US society which prefer to play blind, far from American dream for so many millions, as told Texans with no water under cold: we feel to live in a third world country, at least for social, really not number 1 on this point.[/QUOTE]The US is not the only western nation guilty of playing blind. But at least we collect data rather than hiding it such as the policy in Europe.
If criticizing the US's lower income areas such as Texas or the rest of the South, perhaps try visiting the poor nations of Europe for comparison. I'm guessing the American South is doing much better than Slovakia, Bulgaria, and Romania, not to mention the Balkan nations.
Remove the emotion and ego in debate. Come back with data.
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Many French medical don t run to get AZ vaccine, I also won t run for any, I prefer to test my lungs on my climbing, most up to higher than 2000 meters high, but wish those who need will be protected and warmer weather will help to be stronger to fight.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2537704]The US is not the only western nation guilty of playing blind. But at least we collect data rather than hiding it such as the policy in Europe.
If criticizing the US's lower income areas such as Texas or the rest of the South, perhaps try visiting the poor nations of Europe for comparison. I'm guessing the American South is doing much better than Slovakia, Bulgaria, and Romania, not to mention the Balkan nations.
Remove the emotion and ego in debate. Come back with data.[/QUOTE]How can US have really reliable for your data among 11 millions illegals and more than 50 millions without insurance, 20% population who are sick and die hidden in the dark, when they are weakest about virus because poorest, but unknown when can t pay hospital. In France, everybody and even foreigners can go to our hospitals. I thought quite independent Texas with independent water was rich from petrol, before the fall. Data don t mean so reliable, for example in China. Like in brothels, I prefer real facts.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2537769]How can US have really reliable for your data among 11 millions illegals and more than 50 millions without insurance, 20% population who are sick and die hidden in the dark, when they are weakest about virus because poorest, but unknown when can t pay hospital. In France, everybody and even foreigners can go to our hospitals. I thought quite independent Texas with independent water was rich from petrol, before the fall. Data don t mean so reliable, for example in China.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Sirioja;2537769]I prefer real facts.[/QUOTE]But like so many on this thread you bandy about the word "facts" but don't have any. For one thing the uninsured including illegals can go to US hospitals and get service. A bill may come in the mail later, but's it's meaningless with no ability to pay. I'm sure Mercenary will cover the rest.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2537769]How can US have really reliable for your data among 11 millions illegals and more than 50 millions without insurance, 20% population who are sick and die hidden in the dark, when they are weakest about virus because poorest, but unknown when can t pay hospital. In France, everybody and even foreigners can go to our hospitals. I thought quite independent Texas with independent water was rich from petrol, before the fall. Data don t mean so reliable, for example in China. Like in brothels, I prefer real facts.[/QUOTE]For the same reason you're okay with quoting data such as 11 million illegals. As if Europe does not also have millions of unauthorize residents.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2532543]But do you know UK brought their mutant in Switzerland when they went to ski for Christmas and Sylvester, meeting other nationalities and then UK mutant spread now in Switzerland neighbours. Now also south African in south Tirol Austria or France close to German border and even new Nigerian one now arriving, when EU medical is waiting for mutants high peak on March, when our second vaccine AZ is not efficient versus mutants. Do all your figures posted here know about this when EU medical worry and they should know better than you about EU. Wish at least you know a bit about US. 4 mutants are now in western Europe.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Sirioja;2534218]When one here claims everything going better, but Biden cried yesterday for now more than 500000 deaths and not finished, when not really knowing for illegals nor millions without insurance, when rich Texas fell under cold with no water. Compare to optimistic statistics put here, real figures are just sad for me. UK is far over 100000 deaths, they spread mutant all over Western Europe, helped by everything for money Switzerland cluster in the middle of EU, so now we have more UK mutant new cases than the original one. Of course, can t blame Germany to try to protect, forbidding UK like Spain, or thinking to close inside EU borders, or thinking about sputnik when not enough vaccine. Like for everything and in brothels, I always prefer real facts and figures, rather than beautiful draws, when I think Biden told only about 400000 on superbowl not long ago, meaning 100 000 more deaths very fast, when 4000 on some days. But of course, can only wish for less deaths, and maybe a bit of ski if Italy open on April.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2537765]Many French medical don t run to get AZ vaccine, I also won t run for any, I prefer to test my lungs on my climbing, most up to higher than 2000 meters high, but wish those who need will be protected and warmer weather will help to be stronger to fight.[/QUOTE]Nearly 70% French medical don't want to vaccine with AZ, when they really fought to cure and save French, and French have really to thank them. AZ seem considered as low level vaccine in France and Germany, and not given to older than 75. Moderna with French boss, only start to arrive. Hungary is already using sputnik Vladimir.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2537543]Well, there you go. Maybe that is the reason why you have so much UK variant in France. Occam's razor.[/QUOTE]Don't you know about Channel tunnel? UK mostly entering continental Europe through France, when Belgium decided to close borders. When France decided to keep schools and many stores open and I fully agree with this, but I don't take economic decisions for France, when my meaning was clusters in ski spots visited by UK, in Wengen, Tirol and Vallorcine. FR close to Verbier. UK spread all around Western Europe, reason why Germany and Spain forbidden them and still now. Many UK living in France returned to their family for Christmas / new year and brought back mutant gift with them when returning to their new home in France, reason why we have 50% mutant for new cases, mutant spreading faster and killing more, unfortunately for us.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2537194]I checked much better, the same rules applied with people arriving from whatever were the countries on the high risk list at the time. The issue with the brits was that they were put on high risk list after they already arrived in Switzerland. If people decided not to respect the rules, it's on them.
And I know that you know that the transit regulation is meant to allow people to drive let's say from France to Austria. You decided to claim that going to brothels somehow is transit. Even when Paris region was on the high risk list, you decided to ignore because there were no checks at the borders. You didn't meet Swiss people out of brothels, but you met Swiss people in brothels, how can that not count? You moan about brits going skiing like that is higher risk than you going to brothels. Just say that you don't care as long as you can get away with it and spare me the fake "I would have felt really very guilty" , spare me your self-righteousness and virtue signalling.[/QUOTE]When I'm not a Donald like many, and always gave my true private data at Freubad where they even checked ID, Amesia, Globe where Fritz knows I'm French and asking to call a number, or Zeus, but was never contacted about a cluster after my many visits, when I gave my real data to be contacted if problem, not to give to people around me. I'm fully sure I'm much more safe for others in brothels than most. Never caught anything bad and none of my girls never told me about.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2537060]See, this is why people don't believe you. Whenever you post something that can be verified you fall on your very long nose, Pinocchio.
Have you seen the paperwork that WGs need to file before starting to work? Because I have. They need to register before working the first day.
If they work more than 90 days they need to apply for a work permit.
If they are from EU they can work without a work permit for up to 90 days, but they still need to register.
Please read FZA; SR 0. 142.112. 681.
I guess it's easier if you just make things up.[/QUOTE]I never asked her details but lovely Mio. De always told me easier for her to work for less than 90 days in Switzerland than registrating in Germany, even she prefers GT for 50/30 than Globe. But I invite you for Swiss side Gran San Bernardino which is more difficult than Alpe Huez. I will be on my Summer tour, entering from Aosta because I like to see Scott skis factory.