Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2444666]What's life like in western Germany? Apparently some services are now slowly opening up? Are more people out and about? Are people acting strange and scared?

It looks like Spain, France, Italy, Netherlands, UK, Belgium, Sweden, and UK are complete messes. No doubt because the first five had overly romanticized healthcare systems unable to respond to this disaster. UK and Sweden are probably doing poorly because they did too little too late.

Despite the media's portrayal of anecdotal and regional disasters, the mood in most of the US seems to be on an uptick. Some beaches are opening up. Some states are lifting stay-at-home orders while keeping social distancing measures in place. Cases and deaths have plateaued. Overall death rates are much much lower than than the previously exaggerated predictions. [B]Death rates have settled at about 2.4% of those infected 0.01% of total population, much better than the 10% death rates of infected in those mentioned EU nations and the UK.[/B] What the heck is going on over there! Personally, I think the death numbers during this whole mess is exposing how weak some these western European societies really are. Respect to certain countries like Germany, Austria, and Norway for the discipline of their people, public health programs, and medical providers. The numbers show that the US, despite being lead by a fat monkey and a microscope where the world overly dramatizes our country, has shown that you don't need a romanticized utopia to respond to this disaster.[/QUOTE]Media does not seem pin blame on US healthcare system or any other national healthcare system. Media seems to blame certain governments for their slow responses. Underfunding programs. Not being prepared, and not resourcing ventilators and medical equipment. In other words, poor long-term and short-term planning by politicians. Media has consistently trumpeted the idea that there is no healthcare system on the planet that can handle the coronavirus if social distancing were not put into place to mitigate the spread.

Rather than country-to-country comparison, it might be more appropriate to shift the conversation to a city-to-city comparison. Madrid accounts for 33 percent of Spain's deaths, NYC about 25 percent of USA's deaths. The hardest hit cities in each country all have a few things in common: (1) high population density, (2) globally connected financial center for their respective country. Cheyenne, Wyoming has better coronavirus statistics than NYC, but I doubt you will find anyone who would say that they have better doctors or healthcare than NYC. We still haven't seen coronavirus hit Africa. They might have better than expected numbers due to being a younger population. Again, I doubt any media will draw conclusions that they have better healthcare system than the western nations.

Questions are going to be asked and the status quo will be challenged or scrutinized in every country. After such a crisis, I think it is only natural to reconsider all policies or re-initiate old discussions. For USA that might be universal healthcare and social inequality. For China that might be government transparency and surveillance. Applicable to every country might be pandemic response, city planning, telecommuting, and global alliances. For instance, Italy has not been happy with its EU partners. For those reasons, there could be both economic and political stability in the post-Covid 19 world.

It is funny how CNN insult Singapore today and BBC write the opposite about nations health and its health care system LOL. I am surprise France or Germany is not even on top 10.

[URL]http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20200419-coronavirus-five-countries-with-the-best-healthcare-systems[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tropea317;2444220]So make the picture.

Austria and Germany quickly to a new normality.

And don t forget that Germany have a big Pharma industry for all the equipment e the vaccine.

For the hospital never had ICU problem.

So poor Italy, please don't censored this because I m Italian, with its lousy health system and politicians, e 1/3 of the country mafialand. Will be the first to entry in crisis and the last to exit.

For 1 or 2 years no more Italian customers in FKK.[/QUOTE]There are rich Italians spending big money in FKK land, even poor South. I m really sorry for Italy I really love, for bad experience about chinese virus, but I m happy my Dolomiti friends are safe and look forward going in my little paradise: Stelvio, Gavia, Mortirolo, Zoncolan in Frioul and now extreme 28% Gentile, Carabinieri adviced me. I really wish for great sporty, climbing every day for more than 15 days, ironman Summer, but only on bicycle. If no more Italians, Wellcum and Andiamo will die, I think Chiaso also, other Swiss clubs will cry, and even some GT Bruggen girls. I remember I met 2 really pretty Italian girls at Wellcum, Anna on August 2016 and lightning Tea on August 2018 , but both not good for me because not really kissing and when they saw my frustration about their way for sex, they told: But Italians here don t kiss. I was luckier with Mila at Marina Slovenia, also full of Italians. I have different behavior, but FKK need Italian business.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2444668]Mutations have not shown to affect pathogenicity and disease outcome. They only change antigen expression that may affect detection. Death rates have been directly correlated to socioeconomic environment of the population in the affected region.[/QUOTE]Then it should be terrible in some poor parts of the world right now, because Bergamo in Italy which was fairly badly hit, is one of the wealthiest parts of Europe. Definitely one of the wealthiest in Italy for sure!

[QUOTE=MrHo;2444800]By the way, it is France who made the virus laboratory in Wuhan China.[/QUOTE]What you mean? France is responsible of organization and safety in China? But I'm happy France get ordered for building in China, and do CIA have real proof which can be controlled by everybody, when one of the less reliable organization, can compete with China for truth.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2444844]That affects transmission rate but not death rate of those infected. That's a reflection of medical response. Even in the mostly densely populated NYC, death rate is still only 7% compared the 10% you see in aforementioned European countries.[/QUOTE]Good point. This could "almost" isolate out all other factors, and make medical response the sole basis of comparison. But I would argue that that you must then look at the closed cases. USA has 113 K closed cases, 41 K deaths, which comes out to 37% death rate. France is 35%, Italy is 33%, Spain 21%, and Germany 5%.

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us[/URL]

But I still don't think these numbers prove that health system in one country is any better than the other. Deaths seem to pile up when hospitals get overloaded and when the population has high comorbidities. At least the first factor is dictated more by policy makers. Procuring test kits, ventilators, and masks and deciding how early and how long to implement social distancing are outside of the healthcare system's control. USA still has 650 K open cases. If the decision to reopen is not the correct one or the reopening is not properly planned, managed, and executed, American hospitals will never get a chance to "catch up" and improve on their death rate.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2444844]That affects transmission rate but not death rate of those infected. That's a reflection of medical response. Even in the mostly densely populated NYC, death rate is still only 7% compared the 10% you see in aforementioned European countries.[/QUOTE]It has more to do with age. Europe has an older population than the US: [URL]https://www.prb.org/countries-with-the-oldest-populations/[/URL].

[QUOTE=MrHo;2444800]By the way, it is France who made the virus laboratory in Wuhan China.[/QUOTE]France helped Saddam Hussein kick start a nuclear plant too. We know how that turned out. Bad in so, so many ways!

[QUOTE=Tropea317;2444795]Not so fast.

The Italian residents in Italy.

For the big bunch that already work in Germany, for restaurants tourism etc, BTW are almost totally a business of mafia camorra etc, but don t tell to Deutsche regierung, they like mafia money, make money in Italy than export in Germany banks, they will stay.

If you want to make a pogrom, I'm with you.[/QUOTE]I love Italy, my second country, when too complicated for Russia I love also. Germany really can't compete for way of life and foods, only worth for me for brothels, escorts are usually not pretty enough in Germany. When they have enough money to afford, Germans leave Germany for Spain, France, Italy, for holidays, to be more free than in Germany.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2444784]CNN and BBC among others are hypocritical. Each day, they randomly attack other nations about corona virus failure, today they are saying Singapore had it control, but now cases spiked etc. I think they should look at what is happening to their own nations with insane death rates and medical system completely failed and they only had corona since like March in western nations.[/QUOTE]Like in brothels, only facts are real for me, figures for virus, today more than 40 000 deaths in US with mostly poor Afro Americans, not far from 30 millions more unemployed and more than 10 millions illegals, for country number 1 . We are not better in France with now more than 20000 deaths when I see how work in exceptional way our medical staff, and I m sure US medical staff also do great job, but too many without insurance who can't afford to pay for healthcare. But when I see old and fat in US asking to finish confined, as they ask for free weapons for mad to kill in schools, universities, churches, I don't worry anymore for them, when Trump is playing a politic game, I will worry much more for poor Africa, and this is much more important for me than brothels land and prostitutes looking for fast money, when so many Africans may die because of poverty. Maybe my communist part, even very individualist, maybe why I m so interested by Russian culture and history, except by Putin.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2444958]Like in brothels, only facts are real for me, figures for virus, today more than 40 000 deaths in US with mostly poor Afro Americans, not far from 30 millions more unemployed and more than 10 millions illegals, for country number 1 . We are not better in France with now more than 20000 deaths when I see how work in exceptional way our medical staff, and I m sure US medical staff also do great job, but too many without insurance who can't afford to pay for healthcare. But when I see old and fat in US asking to finish confined, as they ask for free weapons for mad to kill in schools, universities, churches, I don't worry anymore for them, when Trump is playing a politic game, I will worry much more for poor Africa, and this is much more important for me than brothels land and prostitutes looking for fast money, when so many Africans may die because of poverty. Maybe my communist part, even very individualist, maybe why I m so interested by Russian culture and history, except by Putin.[/QUOTE]Corona was found in river in Paris, this is scary, apparently it is from toilet. I mean they should stop dumping toilet water into river, Paris is capital of France, which is g7 nation. Infrastructure has to be revised and be more hygiene. This river thing is scary, but it is good they spotted it.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2444950]France helped Saddam Hussein kick start a nuclear plant too. We know how that turned out. Bad in so, so many ways![/QUOTE]France also take political donation from Qaddafi and when it surface, France killed him LOL, it was French plane from NATO who bombarded the biggest political investor to France. Sarkozy got away with it LOL! Colonization of middle east still continued.

But French technology is not as good as German and Japanese and they should not make those plant or lab in those problem nations, they are not ready for technologies.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2444953]I love Italy, my second country, when too complicated for Russia I love also. Germany really can't compete for way of life and foods, only worth for me for brothels, escorts are usually not pretty enough in Germany. When they have enough money to afford, Germans leave Germany for Spain, France, Italy, for holidays, to be more free than in Germany.[/QUOTE]Japan has more Michelin stars than France rated by French agency Michelin for past 11 years straight. But France and Italy and also Spain has great food culture in Europe, hat off to them.

But man, way of life? Medically it is messed up there and Germany is better for that, but as for Dolce vita, Italy is more relaxed and amazing nation and also France, they are socialist close to communist, so it is good, you are protected by government and when things don't go your way, french take it to street with demonstration which in most other nation may call it more like riot LOL! With fire, destroying stores etc LOL.

France and Italy are both in g7, but lower ranked.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2444844]That affects transmission rate but not death rate of those infected. That's a reflection of medical response. Even in the mostly densely populated NYC, death rate is still only 7% compared the 10% you see in aforementioned European countries.[/QUOTE]You are talking about the confirmed number of infected, not the actual number that's been infected. 0.56% is the death rate of those infected on Iceland. The medical response must have been amazing! Or it might have something to do with the number of tests being done. Iceland have tested over 12.5% of their population, only the Faeroe Islands comes close to that number.

Oh, you might want to know the death rate on the Faroe Islands: 0.00 %.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2444958]Like in brothels, only facts are real for me, figures for virus, today more than 40 000 deaths in US with mostly poor Afro Americans, not far from 30 millions more unemployed and more than 10 millions illegals, for country number 1 . We are not better in France with now more than 20000 deaths when I see how work in exceptional way our medical staff, and I m sure US medical staff also do great job, but too many without insurance who can't afford to pay for healthcare. But when I see old and fat in US asking to finish confined, as they ask for free weapons for mad to kill in schools, universities, churches, I don't worry anymore for them, when Trump is playing a politic game, I will worry much more for poor Africa, and this is much more important for me than brothels land and prostitutes looking for fast money, when so many Africans may die because of poverty. Maybe my communist part, even very individualist, maybe why I m so interested by Russian culture and history, except by Putin.[/QUOTE]Go to Moscow, it is only like 4 hours form Paris right?

I like Moscow, but I recommend more st petersberg.

But Moscow changed, I went there first in year 2000 and back then it was still different to Europe, but now it still is different, but it has more European side to it. Same with Almaty, I went in 1999 first time, I went back in 2017, it developed too much now to my taste, I liked it when I smelt bit of USSR feeling.

I love to go back to Romania, I have not been since 2001, it must have changed a lot, but at least I fuck their women a lot of them in Germany and zurich LOL!