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NY, NYC, New Yorker. Whatever. I have no idea where you got that idea but I could not care any less. The rest of your diatribe is barely coherent. My dad is a boomer and you repeatedly calling me a boomer does not hurt my feelings. An insult works when it hits close to home; you calling me a boomer is like me saying you are a fat Cambodian woman. Perhaps you get all worked up if someone calls you that but it does not work that way in case of normal people (not you).
I don't need to reference medscape entries about physician salaries; I have first hand info from a bunch of people quite close to me. I already said "unless one is a specialist comps are terrible; money is getting worse and work hours getting longer". As usual, your excessive anger clouds your reading. If you are a specialist, you can say so but I know you would be lying even more. Simply put, you are just a researcher and it would be good if you are proud of what you are. One family member is a EP and his hours are absolutely terrible (and even the EP is only at $450 and he is 10 years past his last fellowship). That is one example. You citing wiki to claim paperwork is a trope is a sick joke. Not one family member has said it is not true or not getting worse, and I see that first hand and quite often. Some come back home and still have to work. Some come home very late in the evenings. If there is a real doctor on this form, that person would know what I am talking about (not you).
Your macho BS about picking up women, dad bod and other nonsense shows what I said about your upbringing. I don't pick up women at the bar, I pay sugar babes. If you were picking up good looking chicks for free, you would not be running 6 times a year for a week each to German FKKs, would you? And you don't have a wife and no reason you can't do so. (and that is the other thing; not a single physician in my extended family gets that much time off; they have to plan months in advance to get any time off, finding someone to cover them when they are vacationing and most take at most a couple of weeks off in a year with great difficulty. That alone is a huge giveaway that you are absolutely bullcrapping. Not to mention when they do go on vacation, time is of a lot more value than cash and none of them scrimp).
Coming to the way you speak -- that is not the talk of a professional, that is the kind of junk one hears from uneducated blue collar workers whose identity comes from the stuff you are bragging about. I am envious of my senior partner because his net worth is north of $30 M and I could not care any less if he has a dad bod or dead bod. I am 15 years his junior. In much better shape, and he is not at all envious of me, but he knows I look up to him. The juniors in my office who have a better physique and more stamina do not bother me in the least. But your post confirms once more your urge to lash out in any which you can (a very Trumpian trait), constant references to physical attributes as a show of vanity but merely confirming your lack of class; my friends and I still trash talk in jest but it has been decades since anyone bragged about the kinds of stuff you harp, like picking up chicks, bod, yadda yadda. I am actually starting to wonder if you are even a researcher or in fact you are the lowly paid scribe you put a link to. And for a guy barely 5 years younger than me, you have no family, no GF apparently, not much financial security, have to fly to DE to get some action despite your physical attraction being your strongest suit in your own words, and you must be a huge disappointment to your Chinese parents.
Oh, no need for any impressive stalking skills. It is called search. You can use it to stalk me if you care.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2499402]"Historically, China has not been seen as an enemy to the Muslim world".
Frankly, that is not the relevant issue.
First, if you keep litigating the wrongs of the past, then forget about the future and moving forward. Colonization ended at least 60 years ago for most colonies. Dig up the past, you will remain in the past.[/QUOTE]Whether the Middle East is wrong or misguided in "digging up the past", I make no judgement there. I am sticking to the original question: why Muslims do not seem to be outraged by Uyghur detention camps. The Middle East's distrust of the West is not just based on events that occurred 60 years ago. Even in 2020, there is a huge NATO troop presence in the region. They see the West as sowing internal strife. They feel that Western media has misrepresented and unfairly demonized them, and if Western media is capable of that, then that might be why they don't necessarily buy into the Western media narrative that China is persecuting Muslims indiscriminately or without cause. As I said before, China has 10 million Uyghur Muslims and 10 million Hui Muslims, but the Hui Muslims are rarely found amongst the detained. Many Muslim countries also struggle with their own Muslim terrorist threats: Sunni Muslim majority countries detain Shia Muslims and Turkey detains Kurdish Muslims.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2499402]France has not declared war on Islam either, to your point. But the Islamic practitioners living in France are offended if the French society does not live by their sensibilities, including respecting their Allah in cartoons.[/QUOTE]Just because millions of Muslims condemn Macron's criticism of Islam does not necessarily mean these same people support the beheaders. Freedom of expression exists in the West but there are left right boundaries. Holocaust denial is a criminal act 16 countries in Europe. Likewise, walking down the street with a Nazi flag will get you arrested. Austria has a law against "disparaging religious doctrines".
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2500127]Whether the Middle East is wrong or misguided in "digging up the past", I make no judgement there. I am sticking to the original question: why Muslims do not seem to be outraged by Uyghur detention camps. The Middle East's distrust of the West is not just based on events that occurred 60 years ago. Even in 2020, there is a huge NATO troop presence in the region. They see the West as sowing internal strife. They feel that Western media has misrepresented and unfairly demonized them, and if Western media is capable of that, then that might be why they don't necessarily buy into the Western media narrative that China is persecuting Muslims indiscriminately or without cause. As I said before, China has 10 million Uyghur Muslims and 10 million Hui Muslims, but the Hui Muslims are rarely found amongst the detained. Many Muslim countries also struggle with their own Muslim terrorist threats: Sunni Muslim majority countries detain Shia Muslims and Turkey detains Kurdish Muslims.
Just because millions of Muslims condemn Macron's criticism of Islam does not necessarily mean these same people support the beheaders. Freedom of expression exists in the West but there are left right boundaries. Holocaust denial is a criminal act 16 countries in Europe. Likewise, walking down the street with a Nazi flag will get you arrested. Austria has a law against "disparaging religious doctrines".[/QUOTE]Well, Muslims are guilty of sins in the past as well. Their occupation and attacks against Iberia and the Balkans are not to forget. Funny thing though, us Europeans moved past that.
Media is full of left-wingers and Islam huggers. They have if anything portrayed Islam and Muslims way too kind.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2500079]Avatar, LOL. What a boomer. Welcome to the internet BTW.[/QUOTE]I don't get it, in what way is being a "boomer" something bad? Do you refer to your parents or grandparents as "boomers"? That lack of common decency says a lot about you.
You're obviously just a troll that never visited any FKK.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2500021]Update:
MAGA hats are currently trending on Ebay at 25 to 50 cents. Get them while they're hot.
Clorox Bleach prices are holding steady, no change.[/QUOTE]Too bad for you that you can't but intelligence nor good health. I'll be out fucking around, pun intended, while you're stuck in your nursing home. Sux to be you.
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School boys!
Just I thought claims and denials including small penis size, IQ, income, race etc, now we have ageism.
Is there anything missed? What about hair? Or shoes? Or vehicle? Polyester versus cotton shirts? Breaking the blunt or sharp end of a boiled egg?
Let's get back to the topic of banging beautiful women during the short time we have in life.
Peace!
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2500136]I don't get it, in what way is being a "boomer" something bad? Do you refer to your parents or grandparents as "boomers"? That lack of common decency says a lot about you.
You're obviously just a troll that never visited any FKK.[/QUOTE]You're so right! Not once!
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2500185]Just I thought claims and denials including small penis size, IQ, income, race etc, now we have ageism.[/QUOTE][QUOTE]The conversation isnt through with them, however, not least because the rise of OK boomer has provoked concurrent backlash from baby boomers, many of whom have misread the meme, and feel it is motivated mainly by ageism. But that misreading also feeds the meme [b]because baby boomers failing to understand the point of OK boomer is, well, the point of OK boomer[/b].
Arguing with someone:
-pointless
-lots of anger
-they wont listen
ok boomer
-so useful
-lots of anger (from their end)
-literally the best invention of all time[/QUOTE]OK Boomer.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2499776]Now we are finding out he keeps changing his avatars. Someone mentioned TakeDown and I searched this site, and in less than a couple of minutes was able to find out he was accused (by Mr. Ho, The Cane and other members I recognize here) that he was using other avatars even at that time in addition to TakeDown; not to mention the same signature belligerence, a degree of aggression bordering on unhinged. Positively Trumpian. Even the opening salvo in any exchange with a member starts with a few mocking lines, a reference to personal attributes such as youth and some vague attractiveness (yeah, he is a runway model, that's right. Perhaps the guy wearing spongebob costume at the local park on a hot afternoon) coupled with more mocking (a guy barely 5 years younger than me calling me a boomer, as if he is a 28 yr NZ female parliamentarian). I am fairly certain he is no physician..[/QUOTE]Doctor in swinging state, south of US, I remember asking me for advice for a girl at LR on beginning of 2018 , when I don't need to ask to choose, telling me I improved my English practicing here, but I saw so many guys changing in this business, becoming jealous, bullshitting. I prefer now guys don't come to me, I don't need them. I prefer women.
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2500185]Just I thought claims and denials including small penis size, IQ, income, race etc, now we have ageism.
Is there anything missed? What about hair? Or shoes? Or vehicle? Polyester versus cotton shirts? Breaking the blunt or sharp end of a boiled egg?
Let's get back to the topic of banging beautiful women during the short time we have in life.
Peace![/QUOTE]I disagree with Pistons that you and Mursnary are the avatars of the same person although you appear to be a good friend of his and a frequent supporter on this site. That said, I think your equivalence is wrong. There is only one man here who is hyper aggressive, makes personal insults within one or two comments, and descends into a brawl with many. Not only that, his personal insults are rarely targeted at the matter of discussion and he has a tendency to lash out in multiple directions. Most often they involve invoking some sort of superior intellect (laughable given that he is ashamed of his real avocation and claims to be a physician when he is a researcher), superior physical attributes (attractiveness, ability to pick up chicks blah coupled with calling others boomers and dad bods), superior connection with prostitutes (ability to obtain personal phone numbers), and so on. When I did a quick search, his prior avatar of TakeDown had a very similar pattern, including creating multiple side avatars in which he was coordinating attacks on other members, per the comments of members then. In one, he created a highly offensive name for the handle itself implying a homosexual physical link between two senior members here (Mr Cane and Mr Ho). Who goes to such lengths to insult anonymous members on this site in a deeply personal way?* BTW, my undergrad was in electrical engineering and I spent a few years doing semiconductor chip design prior to business school but this man with a supposedly a health sciences background has the temerity to say "welcome to the internet" to me. That is how his mind works. Make up any insult because it feels good to lash out.
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Congrats to the Biden / Harris and Dem supporters on this site.
I hope Trump would not make an ass of himself in the next 2+ months but if I was betting, my guess is that he most certainly will. It is because he makes an ass of himself that he was able to appeal to and bring out such a large turn out. If he was the graceful type (as Romney / McCain were), he would have lost by a bigger margin.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2500342]I disagree with Pistons that you and Mursnary are the avatars of the same person although you appear to be a good friend of his and a frequent supporter on this site. That said, I think your equivalence is wrong. There is only one man here who is hyper aggressive, makes personal insults within one or two comments, and descends into a brawl with many. Not only that, his personal insults are rarely targeted at the matter of discussion and he has a tendency to lash out in multiple directions. Most often they involve invoking some sort of superior intellect (laughable given that he is ashamed of his real avocation and claims to be a physician when he is a researcher), superior physical attributes (attractiveness, ability to pick up chicks blah coupled with calling others boomers and dad bods), superior connection with prostitutes (ability to obtain personal phone numbers), and so on. When I did a quick search, his prior avatar of TakeDown had a very similar pattern, including creating multiple side avatars in which he was coordinating attacks on other members, per the comments of members then. In one, he created a highly offensive name for the handle itself implying a homosexual physical link between two senior members here (Mr Cane and Mr Ho). Who goes to such lengths to insult anonymous members on this site in a deeply personal way?* BTW, my undergrad was in electrical engineering and I spent a few years doing semiconductor chip design prior to business school but this man with a supposedly a health sciences background has the temerity to say "welcome to the internet" to me. That is how his mind works. Make up any insult because it feels good to lash out.[/QUOTE]I remember Takedown well, he was a piece of work. On the other hand I never got into Mursenary's posts, I found them boring.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2500346]Congrats to the Biden / Harris and Dem supporters on this site.
I hope Trump would not make an ass of himself in the next 2+ months but if I was betting, my guess is that he most certainly will. It is because he makes an ass of himself that he was able to appeal to and bring out such a large turn out. If he was the graceful type (as Romney / McCain were), he would have lost by a bigger margin.[/QUOTE]From Western Europe, better and more safe without crazy, Brazilian and Erdogan being enough, and I wish a better life with healthcare to Afros. Crazy will have time to improve for golf.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2500346]Congrats to the Biden / Harris and Dem supporters on this site.
I hope Trump would not make an ass of himself in the next 2+ months but if I was betting, my guess is that he most certainly will. It is because he makes an ass of himself that he was able to appeal to and bring out such a large turn out. If he was the graceful type (as Romney / McCain were), he would have lost by a bigger margin.[/QUOTE]Better he prepares himself for all the court trial that will come. Trump is a disaster for the image of the US, rude, liar, cheating, aggressive, selfish, egoistic. By by and I don't wish him all the best.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2500277]You're so right! Not once![/QUOTE]I know, I'm glad that you finally came clean.
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2499272]You are same guy with the handle name Takedown! Stop using multiple account with different handle names as Pistons were pointing out in other thread and thank you for letting us know how often you logged in to forum as if we want to know such information how often you logged in, wow LOL!
[/QUOTE]Using several accounts is bad form. I agree with you on that.
Since I don't follow the gossip in the site I have a question. Whatever happened to the basket case that posted under several names before?
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2500342]When I did a quick search, his prior avatar of TakeDown had a very similar pattern, including creating multiple side avatars in which he was coordinating attacks on other members, per the comments of members then. In one, he created a highly offensive name for the handle itself implying a homosexual physical link between two senior members here (Mr Cane and Mr Ho).[/QUOTE]Let's see that post.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2500342]BTW, my undergrad was in electrical engineering and I spent a few years doing semiconductor chip design prior to business school but this man with a supposedly a health sciences background has the temerity to say "welcome to the internet" to me. That is how his mind works. Make up any insult because it feels good to lash out.[/QUOTE]Ah, an engineer. Figured as much.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2500359]I remember Takedown well, he was a piece of work. On the other hand I never got into Mursenary's posts, I found them boring.[/QUOTE]We're complicated beings who go through phases. Give it some time. I won't letcha down!
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Hi Ho,
Best you can do it just to ignore him, he doesn't deserve your time, put your energy in positive things, as you told us you are very lucky in Japan you can date students.
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Mursenary is also Phallus Maximus. This is getting silly.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2500360]From Western Europe, better and more safe without crazy, Brazilian and Erdogan being enough, and I wish a better life with healthcare to Afros. Crazy will have time to improve for golf.[/QUOTE]Really incredible and scaring to see people with war weapons, kind of kalashnikoff, playing Rambo, threatening in streets, just in front of White House. Really crazy dangerous country which really need new peace to come without crazy as leader. They already have sanitary war with so many deaths, economic crisis with high unemployment with how many numerous millions people who can t have healthcare, who don t have insurance, who can t pay for, mostly Afros, like Michael Jordan, Carl Lewis, Jesse Owens, US icons, when Michael Jackson wanted to become white.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2500113]Oh, no need for any impressive stalking skills. It is called search. You can use it to stalk me if you care.[/QUOTE]I don't.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2499776]Unless they are specialists; the internists and pediatricians and family medicine guys and others are toiling at sub-$200 K.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Pessimist;2500113]I don't need to reference medscape entries about physician salaries; I have first hand info from a bunch of people quite close to me.
I already said "unless one is a specialist comps are terrible; money is getting worse and work hours getting longer". As usual, your excessive anger clouds your reading.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mursenary;2500072]
Side note: Opinion on your stalking skills took a bit of a hit as [b]I have no idea why you are referencing the lowest paying primary care providers[/b]
my assumption is that [b]it was intentionally misleading.[/b][/QUOTE]So you prefer anecdotal evidence over data. Got it, but that's clearly not a good habit as your quoted numbers are in themselves wrong when compared against actual, documented, national numbers. You might want to reexamine your own reading skills as I think your "unless" caveat was addressed by the above comment.
But I will reiterate that I choose my words wisely regarding my profession so you might want to look more closely instead of making so many assumptions.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2500113]That is one example. You citing wiki to claim paperwork is a trope is a sick joke. Not one family member has said it is not true or not getting worse, and I see that first hand and quite often. Some come back home and still have to work. Some come home very late in the evenings.[/QUOTE]I don't think you fully understand the term "trope," as it does not imply that there is no truth. It does; however, have a connotation of themes that are overplayed, overly simplistic, or incomplete in reference to the entire truth. I don't know many critical care or emergency physicians struggling with documentation or taking work home especially in facilities that utilize scribes, hence the reference. But I guess that doesn't fit your limited narrative.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2500113]If you were picking up good looking chicks for free, you would not be running 6 times a year for a week each to German FKKs, would you?[/QUOTE]Your stalking skills are either even better than I thought or you have a bug whispering in your ear. I wonder. I have visions of a couple of dorks collaborating.
Anyway, if you can't see the appeal of fucking multiple girls every day for 2 weeks versus having to work for it with the chance of failure then I don't know what to tell you. But continue with the false dichotomies.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2500113]not a single physician in my extended family gets that much time off; they have to plan months in advance to get any time off, finding someone to cover them when they are vacationing and most take at most a couple of weeks off in a year with great difficulty. That alone is a huge giveaway that you are absolutely bullcrapping. Not to mention when they do go on vacation, time is of a lot more value than cash and none of them scrimp.[/QUOTE]Your reliance on tropes betray you.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locum[/URL]
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2500113]Coming to the way you speak -- that is not the talk of a professional, that is the kind of junk one hears from uneducated blue collar workers whose identity comes from the stuff you are bragging about.
I am envious of my senior partner because his net worth is north of $30 M and I could not care any less if he has a dad bod or dead bod. I am 15 years his junior. In much better shape, and he is not at all envious of me, but he knows I look up to him. The juniors in my office who have a better physique and more stamina do not bother me in the least. But your post confirms once more your urge to lash out in any which you can (a very Trumpian trait), constant references to physical attributes as a show of vanity but merely confirming your lack of class;[/QUOTE]Dang man, why you got to go so hard on the blue collar dudes? You seem to tie a lot of self-worth to salary and money. You know what wealthy people don't do? Speak so much about wealth. It's just not classy, not to mention a gross way to look at life.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2500113]my friends and I still trash talk in jest but it has been decades since anyone bragged about the kinds of stuff you harp, like picking up chicks, bod, yadda yadda.
And for a guy barely 5 years younger than me, you have no family, no GF apparently, not much financial security, have to fly to DE to get some action despite your physical attraction being your strongest suit in your own words.[/QUOTE]Speaking of brag, I guess bragging about money is okay? Gross.
I have financial security issues? Have to fly to get action? Hmmm.
Please quote where you think I brag especially where physical attraction being my strongest suit. I many stronger suits!
Seriously, let's see a quote that you deem qualifies as bragging. Maybe if I know your threshold for bragging, I can try to not offend your insecurities in the future.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2500113] you must be a huge disappointment to your [b]Chinese parents.p[/b][/QUOTE]They'd be pretty surprise to learn that they are Chinese. Oh that's right, you're a racist, hick that think all Asians are the same.
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Merkel: Nurses and doctors vaccinate first against coronavirus.
https://rejerusalem.com/287436/merkel-nurses-and-doctors-vaccinate-first-against-coronavirus/
((The federal government hopes that the first vaccines will be approved very soon. "So of course there will not be enough vaccines available", said the Chancellor and stressed: "No one will be forced to be vaccinated, it is a voluntary decision".
Preparations for a vaccination campaign are underway. Federal states have planned their own vaccination centers. It remains to be seen how much vaccine will be available and how long that vaccine will be immunized. The main task is to make the population as a whole immune to the virus. If 60 to 70 percent of the population are immune by vaccination or a disease from which they have suffered the virus is "more or less defeated," Merkel said. " *Then we can also lift all the restrictions* " she said.)).
Lets hope this is done ASAP.
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New SARS-CoV-2 strain found in Denmark?
Of course, anyone with 2 braincells could have figured out that a vaccination against a permanently mutating Corona virus is not going to work, but the lies and scaremongering of geriatric people afraid of a flu and their own shadow seem to have the loudest voice here on ISG.
For all the fools still hoping for a "vaccine:
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/06/who-looking-at-how-a-covid-mutation-among-minks-may-impact-a-vaccine.html[/URL]
"The detection of the mutated virus among minks has raised questions about the effectiveness of a future Covid-19 vaccine."
[URL]https://www.newscientist.com/article/2259178-is-a-dangerous-new-coronavirus-strain-circulating-in-farmed-mink/[/URL]
"The Danish prime minister described the mutated virus as "a serious risk to public health and to the development of a vaccine."
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-54842643[/URL]
"Every time the virus spreads between animals it changes, and if it changes too much from the one that is circulating within humans at the moment, that might mean that any vaccine or treatment that will be produced soon might not work as well as it should do," she explained."
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Second wave just starting, will kill many, and already telling about third wave. I will play Zlatan Ibrahimovic, no vaccine for me. Chinese and Russian vaccines should not be allowed in France. Wish for US, Biden will have power very soon, rather than crazy golfer, before too many new deaths there.
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[QUOTE=Tuber19;2500618]Merkel: Nurses and doctors vaccinate first against coronavirus.
https://rejerusalem.com/287436/merkel-nurses-and-doctors-vaccinate-first-against-coronavirus/
((The federal government hopes that the first vaccines will be approved very soon. "So of course there will not be enough vaccines available", said the Chancellor and stressed: "No one will be forced to be vaccinated, it is a voluntary decision".
Preparations for a vaccination campaign are underway. Federal states have planned their own vaccination centers. It remains to be seen how much vaccine will be available and how long that vaccine will be immunized. The main task is to make the population as a whole immune to the virus. If 60 to 70 percent of the population are immune by vaccination or a disease from which they have suffered the virus is "more or less defeated," Merkel said. " *Then we can also lift all the restrictions* " she said.)).
Lets hope this is done ASAP.[/QUOTE]Nobody knows if the vaccine is efficient, it seems that the covid 19 is able to mute very fast so the vaccine like for the normal flue is far less efficient.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2500641]Nobody knows if the vaccine is efficient, it seems that the covid 19 is able to mute very fast so the vaccine like for the normal flue is far less efficient.[/QUOTE]Yes most viruses mutate very fast in comparison to multicellular organisms. But that fact may or may not be relevant. Most viruses and unicellular organisms mutate all the time. Even human somatic cells have a degree of consistent "mutation. " They can happen by exogenous causes (radiation) but so much more often during the replication processes. The reason that it is often not of any relevance is that most mutations have zero consequence. For mutations to be an issue in vaccine recognition, first the mutation must be expressed. And even if expressed, it has to be at an antigen site in which antibodies bind. Then the change of binding site must be significant enough so that antibodies no longer recognize it. That itself is not a black or white scenario. Usually it's that the binding just has various degrees of lowering affinity. It takes many things to go right for a microbial mutation to be so drastic as to make a vaccine completely ineffective. And in reality it's not that there's a purposeful mutation, but rather just a case of genetic selection in which a specific genetic variation allows that particular "strain" to spread unchecked. Furthermore, the genetic variation must be both specific enough to be located at the site of antigen recognition but not alter the pathogenicity of the virus. That is why vaccines are developed to recognize antigens that are associated with pathogenicity. Very few exceptions exists due to their nature such retroviruses like HIV that become latent and "hides" while also exhausting immune cell resources. Or influenza because it mutates extremely fast. In comparison to the 24 HR and 6 HR life cycles of HIV and Influenza, coronaviruses sit for days. Days in comparison to hours.
Point in short is that the scary idea of mutating viruses is just that, scarier than it sounds. Possible to render a vaccine useless, but more often than not, they are insignificant.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2500641]Nobody knows if the vaccine is efficient, it seems that the covid 19 is able to mute very fast so the vaccine like for the normal flue is far less efficient.[/QUOTE]It's meant to boost population confidence. Nurse, doctors, old folks, and possibly students first would be my best guess. It will be amazing if the nurses / doctors who are busting their asses to save folks fall ill themselves.
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Lol
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2500625]Of course, anyone with 2 braincells could have figured out that a vaccination against a permanently mutating Corona virus is not going to work, but the lies and scaremongering of geriatric people afraid of a flu and their own shadow seem to have the loudest voice here on ISG.
For all the fools still hoping for a "vaccine:
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/06/who-looking-at-how-a-covid-mutation-among-minks-may-impact-a-vaccine.html[/URL]
"The detection of the mutated virus among minks has raised questions about the effectiveness of a future Covid-19 vaccine."
[URL]https://www.newscientist.com/article/2259178-is-a-dangerous-new-coronavirus-strain-circulating-in-farmed-mink/[/URL]
"The Danish prime minister described the mutated virus as "a serious risk to public health and to the development of a vaccine."
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-54842643[/URL]
"Every time the virus spreads between animals it changes, and if it changes too much from the one that is circulating within humans at the moment, that might mean that any vaccine or treatment that will be produced soon might not work as well as it should do," she explained."[/QUOTE]The jury is still very much out on this one, though Hammer Hammer is jumping to conclusions, saying what the scientists aren't saying, grasping for any kind of face saving on a monger board. Below is a quote from the CNBC article you linked, and we should take this to heart. Hammer BTW, how did you like the election results? Take heart though as there will still be plenty of conspiracy theories for you to chase down, more than enough to keep you busy. And that clown / loser Trump will still be around to help you along.
"We have to look at that viral evolution, we have to create the biosecurity around farms like that so that there is not that contact back with human populations. And we have to address all of those issues. But, right now, the evidence that we have does not suggest that this variant is in any way different in the way it behaves," he added.
Ryan said the WHO would have to evaluate whether the mutation of the virus among the mink population is different in terms of its clinical severity or whether there is any implication for diagnostics or vaccines. "But we are a long, long way away from making any determination of that kind," he said.
Dr. Soumya Swaminathan, the World Health Organization's chief scientist, said it would be unwise to jump to any conclusions following reports of the mutated virus found among mink farms in Denmark.
"I think that we need to wait and see what the implications are, but I don't think we should come to any conclusions about whether this particular mutation is going to impact vaccine efficacy or not," Swaminathan said.
"We don't have any evidence at the moment that it would. But we will update you as we get more information."
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Sweden and herd immunity strategy works!
Look at the data: [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=earliest..latest&country=LUX~FRA~DEU~NLD~SWE~ITA~ESP~GBR~USA~RUS®ion=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc[/URL].
Sweden's "death per millions" has flat-lined since July, but in the rest of Europe with their stupid lockdowns and face diaper 'strategy,' not so much.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2500694]The jury is still very much out on this one, though Hammer Hammer is jumping to conclusions....[/QUOTE]You obviously didn't see the question mark in the title of my post.
Ask yourself this: "why hasn't anybody made a good vaccine yet for the normal cold and the seasonal flu during the last 20-30-40 years?
So why would anybody now be able to quickly make a vaccine in 1 year time, against a constantly mutating virus?
As the saying goes, "hope dies last." Keep on hoping for the impossible, and keep on ignoring the natural solution that has worked for thousands of years that is right in front of your nose: herd immunity!
Look at the Swedish numbers: flat-lining since July, while the rest of Europe keeps on slowly rising. The irony: the countries where the rising is steepest, are the countries with the most strict and most absurd rules (Spain, France, UK), and the only country where the curve has flat-lined is Sweden which has the least amount of madness and the least amount of crazy rules about masks and social distancing:
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=earliest..latest&country=LUX~FRA~DEU~NLD~SWE~ITA~ESP~GBR~USA~RUS®ion=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc[/URL]
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Coronavirus vaccine ready!
Told you. Coronavirus will be cured in November if Trump loses.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2500796]You obviously didn't see the question mark in the title of my post.
Ask yourself this: "why hasn't anybody made a good vaccine yet for the normal cold and the seasonal flu during the last 20-30-40 years?
So why would anybody now be able to quickly make a vaccine in 1 year time, against a constantly mutating virus?.[/QUOTE]For other people who have to answer this question, you can file this retort away:
-No vaccine for common cold because the "common cold" is not caused by one specific virus. Hundreds of different viruses may cause the symptoms described as the "common cold."
-Influenza vaccines obviously exist and have decent efficacy. Annual requirements are due to the fact that it replicates extremely fast compared to most other viruses. The shorter the life cycle, the more mutations, increasing the possibility of the mutation providing resistance to vaccines. For comparison, coronavirus replication is, at minimum, twice as long, with mutation rates possibly up to a whole degree of magnitude longer because it has an even longer latent period.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2500886]Told you. Coronavirus will be cured in November if Trump loses.[/QUOTE]It has been cured? Really?
A bit sad to see this sort of whiny desperation from Trump supporters.
The vaccine is not any more ready today than it was yesterday but the news have been released today. In any case, Trump ignored Fauci and others and put all his eggs in one basket when they kept saying it would not be ready by Nov 3. But this is a piece of good news and hopefully we can get some control on this and be able to return to pre covid movement levels in a few months. I am sure you welcome the opportunity to travel and visit your favorite fuck clubs in Europe and so do I.
Let's face it. Trump has been a major fuck up. I mean, he can't even do the legal contests properly. Putting Rudy in charge is not the best strategy. In 2000, Bush had hundreds of lawyers ready and waiting, paid and money raised, to focus on one state. Trump is making a lot of empty noise and playing golf and throwing shit in every direction (kinda like a fuckterd "doctor" on this site).
The guy is fucking incompetent. The only thing he has been any good is somehow convincing 70 mil voters he is their one and only savior regardless of how much he screws up. He had good instincts on China trade and some elements of popularism in US economics given the widening income / wealth disparities but he is too much of a scatterbrain to actually execute on anything. I am not thrilled Biden is coming in, but AOC / Bernie will not dominate given the senate situation and it is actually an OK thing to have a lot of logjam in DC. When pols have too much power, they fuck it up regardless of the party affiliation. It is good to have a deadlocked bunch of guys on both sides.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2500796]You obviously didn't see the question mark in the title of my post.
Ask yourself this: "why hasn't anybody made a good vaccine yet for the normal cold and the seasonal flu during the last 20-30-40 years?[/QUOTE]They make flu vaccine every year and it is effective. Cold is not severe enough to warrant the development of a vaccine.
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Something for the conspiracy theorists that news that the vaccine is almost ready is published on the first weekday after consensus was that Biden won.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2500910]Something for the conspiracy theorists that news that the vaccine is almost ready is published on the first weekday after consensus was that Biden won.[/QUOTE]Yup. When there's smoke.
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Lololol
Part of the rhetorical question was irrelevant as Covid-19 isn't "the flu," thus it deserved to be ignored. And of course there are flu vaccines.
Unlike Covid-19 the common cold is caused by hundreds of different viruses, not just one. It's been a lower priority for vaccine development as it's a relatively mild illness, though one is still possible for the future as science progresses. To use this information plus the flu and the mink story, which has been shown to prove nothing as yet, to leap to the conclusion that vaccine development is a waste of time, that reputable scientists the world over all have it wrong or are perpetuating a hoax, show you as possessing two brain cells maximum. Such wasn't worth a response though I was bored this afternoon.
You also contradict yourself lifting up Sweden, for if an effective vaccine is impossible then so is herd immunity. Not to mention that Sweden is a demonstrated failure, having needlessly sacrificed the lives of 5000+ of it's citizens, 11 times the per capita death rate of it's neighbor Norway, chasing her immunity.
[URL]https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/[/URL]
Regarding Covid mutations, here's more info that echos the article you posted, the one you thought supported your conclusions but as demonstrated, did not. Listen to the scientists people, not kooky posts in social media and conspiracy theory peddlers in monger forums.
"One variable shaping efficacy is how quickly the virus mutates. A faster rate of mutation would increase the likelihood that the vaccine would not generate an effective immune response to the virus. SARS-CoV-2, the virus behind Covid-19, is a single-stranded RNA virus. Such viruses are notorious for high mutation rates, but those mutations don't necessarily occur in a way that would weaken protection from a vaccine.
"Measles is also a single-stranded RNA virus. It mutates a little but it doesn't mutate away from the vaccine," said Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. "I think that you're not going to need to do what you do with influenza where you have to get a yearly vaccine. Influenza is a moving target. That's not going to be this virus. "
[URL]https://www.vox.com/2020/6/3/21258841/coronavirus-vaccine-covid-19-testing-usa-china-moderna[/URL]
Also on the vaccine front, good news! That plus Trump's lose and I'm loving the looks of my stock portfolio.
[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2020/11/09/dow-pfizer-vaccine-biden-election-results-stock-market-record/6219095002/[/URL]
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2500796]You obviously didn't see the question mark in the title of my post.
Ask yourself this: "why hasn't anybody made a good vaccine yet for the normal cold and the seasonal flu during the last 20-30-40 years?
So why would anybody now be able to quickly make a vaccine in 1 year time, against a constantly mutating virus?
As the saying goes, "hope dies last." Keep on hoping for the impossible, and keep on ignoring the natural solution that has worked for thousands of years that is right in front of your nose: herd immunity![/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2500910]Something for the conspiracy theorists that news that the vaccine is almost ready is published on the first weekday after consensus was that Biden won.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Check this video out: [URL]https://youtu.be/ZG2m8kb-P0Q[/URL].
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2500910]Something for the conspiracy theorists that news that the vaccine is almost ready is published on the first weekday after consensus was that Biden won.[/QUOTE]What goes around comes around. Trump deserves to be lied to, just as he did his entire "presidency". If Pfizer and BioNTech deliberately withheld the good news until after the election, I applaud them. Hope we are on the path getting rid of both T and covid. FKK 2021, we are ready!
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2500886]Told you. Coronavirus will be cured in November if Trump loses.[/QUOTE]Gino, you are a Genius.
Now, when we will travel without restrictions? Go to FKK without restrictions? Live our lives without wearing stupid masks?
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2500905]They make flu vaccine every year and it is effective. Cold is not severe enough to warrant the development of a vaccine.[/QUOTE]Sorry but flue vaccine is not effective every year, they use the virus from NZ and Australia 6 months before (winter there) to create the vaccine for Europe and US some years the mutation of the virus is such that the vaccine is not efficient.
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[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2500955]What goes around comes around. Trump deserves to be lied to, just as he did his entire "presidency". If Pfizer and BioNTech deliberately withheld the good news until after the election, I applaud them. Hope we are on the path getting rid of both T and covid. FKK 2021, we are ready![/QUOTE]CNN&MSNBC have lied for years, that you didn't mind. You only show your contempt for democracy.
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Sweden isn't "flatling," as daily case numbers are spiking as deaths are moving upwards in the wake, while the cold weather months are only beginning. Scroll down and check the graphs.
[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/[/URL]
Also Sweden is best compared to their Nordic Neighbors as the demographics and overall societal constructs are most similar. When compared to these Sweden fairs poorly with drastically higher per capita death rates.
[URL]https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/[/URL]
And many countries that have strongly emphasized masks, social distancing, and other widely recommended health measures have seen great successes. Look up South Korea, Taiwan, and Thailand for starters. Other countries like several in the Americas, plus some in Europe have had these policies but with widespread non-compliance from people like Hammer, or compliance only for periods followed by let ups. The results thus are predictable and the cause and effect clear. Arrogant buffoons that refuse to comply, along with those who promote bad policy have been responsible for a lot of deaths.
Pick your country, scroll down, and check the graphs. I'm speaking to the audience here, not Hammer who will lie and slam his eyes shut to the end, flopping around like a fish on the shore. One would have better luck convincing Trump that he lost the election.
[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]#countries.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2500796]Look at the Swedish numbers: flat-lining since July, while the rest of Europe keeps on slowly rising. The irony: the countries where the rising is steepest, are the countries with the most strict and most absurd rules (Spain, France, UK), and the only country where the curve has flat-lined is Sweden which has the least amount of madness and the least amount of crazy rules about masks and social distancing:
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=earliest..latest&country=LUX~FRA~DEU~NLD~SWE~ITA~ESP~GBR~USA~RUS®ion=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc[/URL][/QUOTE]
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Just wait for Covid-2023.
[URL]https://youtu.be/gXlOSEafzhY[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2501048]Sweden isn't "flatling," as daily case numbers are spiking as deaths are moving upwards in the wake, while the cold weather months are only beginning. Scroll down and check the graphs.
[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/[/URL]
Also Sweden is best compared to their Nordic Neighbors as the demographics and overall societal constructs are most similar. When compared to these Sweden fairs poorly with drastically higher per capita death rates.
[URL]https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/[/URL]
And many countries that have strongly emphasized masks, social distancing, and other widely recommended health measures have seen great successes. Look up South Korea, Taiwan, and Thailand for starters. Other countries like several in the Americas, plus some in Europe have had these policies but with widespread non-compliance from people like Hammer, or compliance only for periods followed by let ups. The results thus are predictable and the cause and effect clear. Arrogant buffoons that refuse to comply, along with those who promote bad policy have been responsible for a lot of deaths.
Pick your country, scroll down, and check the graphs. I'm speaking to the audience here, not Hammer who will lie and slam his eyes shut to the end, flopping around like a fish on the shore. One would have better luck convincing Trump that he lost the election.
[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]#countries.[/QUOTE]Have you ever considered not to cherry-pick so much? Spain and Portugal are neighbors and despite softer measures in Portugal they fared much better than Spain. You only display how little you know and understand of what you're talking about. Anyways, it only goes to show that lockdowns are unnecessary, you can get better results without them. The expected carnage didn't occur.
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[QUOTE=Tuber19;2500971]Gino, you are a Genius.
Now, when we will travel without restrictions? Go to FKK without restrictions? Live our lives without wearing stupid masks?[/QUOTE]No man, I'm no genius, just a simple realist observer fly on the wall. To predict answers to your questions, I think we still have two more problems to deal with first:
1) US Supreme Court still might fuck it up. RealClearPolitics already yesterday put Philadelphia back to undecided, and too many irregularities are coming up into light all over the map. Not good.
2) Sheeples, including many governments around the world, need to acknowledge that lockdowns and masking up really doesn't help overall, except for delaying the eventual inevitable. Taxes and Death.
But the MSM (and the DNC) approved celebrations by the sheeples without need for social distancing last weekend all over the USA gave me some guidance, so hopefully the FKK life will be back to normal by February 2021.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2501159]Have you ever considered not to cherry-pick so much? Spain and Portugal are neighbors and despite softer measures in Portugal they fared much better than Spain. You only display how little you know and understand of what you're talking about. Anyways, it only goes to show that lockdowns are unnecessary, you can get better results without them. The expected carnage didn't occur.[/QUOTE]I fully agree with you lockdowns are not necessary as long you have a homogenous population, sharing the same interest and targets, respecting the laws, taking care of the others, what I can tell you this is not the case in France, Italy, Belgium, England, the others I don t know because I don t have enough friends able to give me real field feedback.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2501159]Have you ever considered not to cherry-pick so much? Spain and Portugal are neighbors and despite softer measures in Portugal they fared much better than Spain. You only display how little you know and understand of what you're talking about. Anyways, it only goes to show that lockdowns are unnecessary, you can get better results without them. The expected carnage didn't occur.[/QUOTE]A little nuance would be helpful in these discussions. Perhaps being purposeful in the usage of terms like lock down, quarantine, etc.
I'm not on the "Sweden was a disaster" camp but it is misleading to use Sweden as the crux of a laissez faire / que serra serra approach to covid management. It is not as if Sweden ignored the threat completely. It was not as if while every other nation was locked down, Swedes were out drinking in the streets. From my understanding, secondary schools were shut down, crowd sizes were limited, private business practiced work from home when possible, etc.
The populace themselves seem more compliant to recommendations as seen by the drastic changes in travel habits.
[QUOTE]Overall, travel from the Stockholm region had decreased by 8090%, and the number of citizens of Stockholm travelling to popular holiday destinations like Gotland and the ski resorts in re had fallen with more than 90%. Travel between other regions in Sweden had fallen as well. Ferry-line operator Destination Gotland, who previously had called on their customers to rethink their planned trips for Easter, reported that 85% of all bookings had been rescheduled[/QUOTE]The same goes for Portugal. They also implemented containment measures initially but have softened them according to epidemic severity. Luckily they were spared the initial wave like Italy and Spain but quickly implemented containment and mitigation efforts such as mitigating movement between municipalities, closure of businesses, school closures, etc. Even with their geographic isolation, recent surges have forced them to reinstate restrictions such as curfews and crowd size limitations.
These Sweden model versus the world discussions are too often reduced to lockdown versus zero restriction arguments with no one actually considering the reality of the situation on the ground but rather hypothetical and philosophical "my team versus your team" arguments.
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Portugal is now under strong crisis, not better than others. NL preferred to confine now, when Stockholm had so many deaths. What happened in US? If they really found efficient vaccine, when health ministery gave 2 billions USD, how could Pfizer fuck Trump like this, only telling after Biden election. Lets see if this try will be confirmed by Europe.
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What if.
- nanorobots are included in the vaccine.
- the nanorobots need 5 G in order to hook up to the web.
- NSA or others will be able to spy through the nanorobots.
- the vaccine works perfectly, but most of the world will never get to see it.
- covid-2021 will be worse, but the vaccine will work against that one too.
Welcome to the world of crazy theories.
What if?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2501238]I'm not on the "Sweden was a disaster" camp but it is misleading to use Sweden as the crux of a laissez faire / que serra serra approach to covid management. It is not as if Sweden ignored the threat completely. It was not as if while every other nation was locked down, Swedes were out drinking in the streets. From my understanding, secondary schools were shut down, crowd sizes were limited, private business practiced work from home when possible, etc.
The populace themselves seem more compliant to recommendations as seen by the drastic changes in travel habits.[/QUOTE]The fact that the rest of Europe treated Sweden like a pariah worked in Sweden's favor. Was there much inbound / outbound travel in Sweden this summer? Many infection in the UK can be traced to a strain of CV19 that emerged in Spain, that holiday travellers brought back to their home countries: [URL]https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/29/coronavirus-strain-discovered-europe-accounts-80-per-cent-uk/[/URL].
Finland seems to be the only country on the continent to have avoided a second wave. They seem to have the same "socially isolated culture" of Sweden. Almost a quarter of Finns believed the lockdown actually improved their lives.
[QUOTE]Not only have Finns followed the rules, but European Parliament research last week found that 23 percent of respondents in the country said that lockdown had actually improved their lives, making Finland the most positive country in Europe towards the coronavirus restrictions.
One reason is likely to be the relative ease of switching to distance working in the highly digitised society.
"The economy is structured so that it's not necessary for a large proportion of the Finnish workforce to be in the workplace," Nelli Hankonen, associate professor of social psychology at Helsinki University, told AFP.
[b]But the national character of the Finns, often characterised as reserved and outdoors-loving, may also have played a part.
"In Finnish culture we are not that highly sociable," Hankonen said.
"We like to be on our own and be a bit isolated."[/b]
Nonetheless, the solitude of lockdown has exacerbated mental health issues which already affect one in five people in Finland, the highest rate in the OECD.
"Social support might not be easily available, it's the other side of the coin of how we were able to adapt to the lockdown," Hankonen said.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-11-finland-europe-quiet-success-covid-.html.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2501238]
I'm not on the "Sweden was a disaster" camp but it is misleading to use Sweden as the crux of a laissez faire / que serra serra approach to covid management. It is not as if Sweden ignored the threat completely. It was not as if while every other nation was locked down, Swedes were out drinking in the streets. From my understanding, secondary schools were shut down, crowd sizes were limited, private business practiced work from home when possible, etc.
The populace themselves seem more compliant to recommendations as seen by the drastic changes in travel habits.
[/QUOTE]Mid-March to early June 'everyone' stayed home in Sweden and very little happened outside of the home. Then school holidays happened and gradually things opened up. Now it's as if 90% don't care about the virus anymore.
Let's see if the 2nd wave will change minds.
There are no concerts, sports is as restricted as elsewhere etc. Except that barely anyone is wearing masks (and it's also recommended against) or that lockdown just won't happen I don't see a major difference with other countries.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2501187].......... Sheeples, including many governments around the world, need to acknowledge that lockdowns and masking up really doesn't help overall................[/QUOTE]Any time I hear or read this I ask myself the question ¨How did China get the pandemic under control?
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2501458]Mid-March to early June 'everyone' stayed home in Sweden and very little happened outside of the home. Then school holidays happened and gradually things opened up. Now it's as if 90% don't care about the virus anymore.
Let's see if the 2nd wave will change minds.
There are no concerts, sports is as restricted as elsewhere etc. Except that barely anyone is wearing masks (and it's also recommended against) or that lockdown just won't happen I don't see a major difference with other countries.[/QUOTE]Sweden also almost closed universities.
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[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2500955]What goes around comes around. Trump deserves to be lied to, just as he did his entire "presidency". If Pfizer and BioNTech deliberately withheld the good news until after the election, I applaud them. Hope we are on the path getting rid of both T and covid. FKK 2021, we are ready![/QUOTE]I think withholding news like that until after the election is fine. They operated independently of Trump's efforts, why have their success used by him as a boasting point? Everything good that happens is Trump's doing, everything bad that happens is blamed on somebody else. That's how his mind works. Staying out of the election buzz was good for everyone.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2501478]Any time I hear or read this I ask myself the question How did China get the pandemic under control?[/QUOTE]The standard explanation / excuse from the right wing is that nothing from China can be trusted. So, in their narrative, who knows how many got infected, how many died in China, if they really have it in control?!
I see this strident vehemence on US boards quite often. Such as WSJ etc. Commenters get offended if anyone says China got it under control. To them, it is an insinuation that China commie regime is more effective than Trump's regime (and that is a big no-no for the right wing, as they believe he is the greatest at everything).
When US went over 100,000 cases (China topped at 80 K), they said "oh, China's 80,000 can't be trusted". Then we went over a million cases and 2 mil, 5 mil, now 10 mil. Our death toll went past their 5,000 then we topped 10,000 then 50,000, 100,000 and now approaching a quarter mil. Apparently in the right winger view, as our numbers grow China's numbers also stretch ahead of ours just so that we are NEVER the worst. Very elastic model indeed. (however, as soon as Biden takes over. Which he will, regardless of the latest reveries of these people. Then their story line changes and they will be the most concerned party about covid explosions in US. Like a 2020 tea party which suddenly wakes up about fiscal prudence when Dems come to power. And BTW, I fell for these tea baggers and gave them a donation in 2012. Should have wasted that money on a Asian hunter in Sharks or Oase).
Only trouble is that any number of people have visited China (strict 2 week quarantine before being let out) and their streets are buzzing. Malls, tourist sites, restaurants are all full. Our own companies like Nike, Apple, SBUX are doing brisk business over there (AAPL had a bad quarter in September but June was good). My own personal contacts keep sending photos showing long lines everywhere. No one has found any mass graves of thousands of covid dead.
But facts are wasted on these dudes. No doubt I will be called a Sheeple by Wolverine Gino. I am in awe of his prowess, oh my.
I detest the evil commie regime in China more than anyone else does, but we will NOT MAGA by keeping our eyes closed and our minds shut to facts and thoughts.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2501478]Any time I hear or read this I ask myself the question How did China get the pandemic under control?[/QUOTE]Well, don't you want to ask yourself first how and why did China start the pandemic to start with? My money is on the honest answer to that, but too bad we will never know it if we actually end up with the Chinese government running USA in January, and then rest of the world by proxy.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2501478]Any time I hear or read this I ask myself the question How did China get the pandemic under control?[/QUOTE]They lock the wolves w / symptoms in their homes until they die or get better.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2501187]No man, I'm no genius, just a simple realist observer fly on the wall. [/QUOTE]You fancy yourself a realist but are a sheeple that follows fake news, chases down conspiracy theories, and promotes fool's errands.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2501187]1) US Supreme Court still might fuck it up. RealClearPolitics already yesterday put Philadelphia back to undecided, and too many irregularities are coming up into light all over the map. Not good. [/QUOTE]LOL I see you are listening to the loser Rudy Giuliani, the guy who had the "bombshell" press conference beside the adult bookstore in front of "Four Seasons" landscaping service. You've swallowed and now are spreading fake news. RealClearPolitics never recanted anything as they never called PA to begin with.
[URL]https://thehill.com/homenews/media/525259-rcp-co-founder-debunks-giuliani-claim-site-pulled-pa-call-this-is-false[/URL]
That said, every major news network and the AP have Biden as the projected winner. He leads in PA by over 48 K votes, plus in GA (14 K), AZ (12 K), and NV (17 K). There's no evidence of any widespread voter fraud or irregularities that would change the outcome of the election. You are just chasing down more conspiracy theories with your fellow sheeple. The election is over.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2501187]2) Sheeples, including many governments around the world, need to acknowledge that lockdowns and masking up really doesn't help overall, except for delaying the eventual inevitable. Taxes and Death. [/QUOTE]Ignoring the fact that you've already been comprehensively refuted on this point many times doesn't help. Nor will repeating this fallacy over and over ever make it true.
[URL]https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_nauseam[/URL]
There's a number of countries that have seen less than 100 Covid deaths while implementing such policies, such as New Zealand (25), Thailand (60) and Taiwan (7). There's also been a number of countries like South Korea that got off to a rough start but managed to smash the curve with sound policies. This has bought time for the discovery of effective treatments and vaccines. Many lives have been saved, though you haven't been able to purchase hookers in your preferred venues. Waa Waa. Cry me a river.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2501187]But the MSM (and the DNC) approved celebrations by the sheeples without need for social distancing last weekend all over the USA gave me some guidance, so hopefully the FKK life will be back to normal by February 2021.[/QUOTE]Do you have poor eyesight and just failed to see that 99% of them were wearing masks? Or are you just a sheeple that swallows the dishonest analysis from fake news sources? Smart money is on the latter. These celebrators offer a good example for the moronic, diseased, outgoing Trump administration with their indoor, maskless socials. But hey I know those celebrations are unnerving for you, but that's democracy. The people have spoken.
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[QUOTE=Rako3;2501500]I think withholding news like that until after the election is fine. They operated independently of Trump's efforts, why have their success used by him as a boasting point? Everything good that happens is Trump's doing, everything bad that happens is blamed on somebody else. That's how his mind works. Staying out of the election buzz was good for everyone.[/QUOTE]Actually, election was finished by Tuesday night and the vaccine data was in the media by the *following Monday morning* (November 9). I have not seen any evidence that Pfizer withheld the data publication for a full 6 days. If the data had been released on Nov 5 or 6 or 8th, it would have made exactly zero difference to the election result as votes were already cast (unless some Trump voters were planning to take back their votes and re-vote again depending on vaccine data).
PFE management has a fiduciary duty to their shareholders. Any leak of info showing that PFE withheld the data for 6 days to influence the election outcome would tank the stock price because it could be deemed a criminal deed. I do not know the full legal liability of PFE mgmt with regards to the timing of such disclosure and when they need to make it. But with the current AG Barr, there is no question that investors would be worried about punitive measures. Why would PFE executives risk their own life and freedom, their compensation of several dozens of millions which is tied to the stock price, and massive class action lawsuits in the event of stock tanking, all in the hope of making some small dent on an election in which facts were anyway called fake, and QAnon was treated with reverence?
Be that as it may, none of this matters. Wolverine Genius Gino has already pronounced we are sheeples because we did not do a bobblehead dance upon hearing the vaccine news and claim "there I told you so, the virus is CURED as soon as the election is over.
BTW, I saw 142,000 news cases detected yesterday. I was under the impression the virus was CURED on Monday? But 142,000 new cases, a record total on Tuesday. Hmm. Must be fake news.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2501506]The standard explanation / excuse from the right wing is that nothing from China can be trusted. So, in their narrative, who knows how many got infected, how many died in China, if they really have it in control?!
I see this strident vehemence on US boards quite often. Such as WSJ etc. Commenters get offended if anyone says China got it under control. To them, it is an insinuation that China commie regime is more effective than Trump's regime (and that is a big no-no for the right wing, as they believe he is the greatest at everything).
When US went over 100,000 cases (China topped at 80 K), they said "oh, China's 80,000 can't be trusted". Then we went over a million cases and 2 mil, 5 mil, now 10 mil. Our death toll went past their 5,000 then we topped 10,000 then 50,000, 100,000 and now approaching a quarter mil. Apparently in the right winger view, as our numbers grow China's numbers also stretch ahead of ours just so that we are NEVER the worst. Very elastic model indeed. (however, as soon as Biden takes over. Which he will, regardless of the latest reveries of these people. Then their story line changes and they will be the most concerned party about covid explosions in US. Like a 2020 tea party which suddenly wakes up about fiscal prudence when Dems come to power. And BTW, I fell for these tea baggers and gave them a donation in 2012. Should have wasted that money on a Asian hunter in Sharks or Oase)..[/QUOTE]All what US firms have achieved in the last decades is to transfer their production (know how, technology to China), I know very well China, have a Chinese driving license, a car. All those critics about China are just jalousie, most of the Chinese people are very happy, living is improving, food is available every where. They are a homogenous country probably number 1 today, if China for a reason or another decides to stops Apple business in China Apple is more or less dead and the dow jones will be strongly hit.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2501508]Well, don't you want to ask yourself first how and why did China start the pandemic to start with? My money is on the honest answer to that, but too bad we will never know it if we actually end up with the Chinese government running USA in January, and then rest of the world by proxy.[/QUOTE]I had a month long debate w / MCA that the evil China regime did probably play a very direct and insidious role in the proliferation of this virus but of course we need evidence. The incompetent Trump just kept making claims and could not move forward an inch in obtaining such evidence. He was also a total dud in protecting his own citizens. His defense that "China killed them, I am helpless, woe be me" is pathetic. As the commander in Chief his #1 duty is protect American citizens from harm regardless of where the attack comes from and how. So, when the enemy deploys a biological weapon which is what he is claiming, he is absolutely helpless? To top it off, he showboated around that he is a war time prez. What a turd?! He likes to receive salute on TV from tanks and generals on Champs Elysee but not able to take tough decisions.
Competent regimes in other places, namely KR and JP, protected their citizens. Trump is all talk and by that I mean hot foul gas. I don't have any faith that the senile Biden will be super great either but no one has ever been this rock bottom incompetent as Trump and it is so sad that his base is totally blind to see it. This base is like another Covid virus that has taken over and destroyed a once proud GOP.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2501357]The fact that the rest of Europe treated Sweden like a pariah worked in Sweden's favor. Was there much inbound / outbound travel in Sweden this summer? Many infection in the UK can be traced to a strain of CV19 that emerged in Spain, that holiday travellers brought back to their home countries: [URL]https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/29/coronavirus-strain-discovered-europe-accounts-80-per-cent-uk/[/URL].
Finland seems to be the only country on the continent to have avoided a second wave. They seem to have the same "socially isolated culture" of Sweden. Almost a quarter of Finns believed the lockdown actually improved their lives.[/QUOTE]But Swedes traveled abroad, are you from USA? Swedes travelled to Spain, Greece and other European countries without any problems.
Finland and Sweden are two very different countries when you look under the surface. Swedes are way more social, travel abroad more and have a larger immigrant community. Finland and Sweden doesn't share the same culture except from the northern parts of Sweden where few people lives.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2501533]Do you have poor eyesight and just failed to see that 99% of them were wearing masks? Or are you just a sheeple that swallows the dishonest analysis from fake news sources? Smart money is on the latter. These celebrators offer a good example for the moronic, diseased, outgoing Trump administration with their indoor, maskless socials. But hey I know those celebrations are unnerving for you, but that's democracy. The people have spoken.[/QUOTE]You have to cut Wolverine Gino some slack. As I recall, he never posted any comments bemoaning lack of masks among "the thousands of audience at the massive Trump rallies while Sleepy could not attract even a dozen people to his teleprompter readings, which surely signaled an impending Trump win" as their side kept telling us prior to the election. Now he is shocked to observe that people are in the streets after a Biden win and not following proper social distancing rules. As I said, like the tea party which discovers its fiscal prudence chops only when Dems are in power and gives a loud cheer when Trump spent trillions on increasing deficits, his base discovers the horrors of not distancing when it comes to the other side.
At least Pizza Cain is dead. He will not give +1 to Gino's comment. If his estate had any guts, they should press homicide charges against the POTUS.
P.S.: I have to say the spontaneous celebration by thousands of young people dancing all over our cities was the most joyous sight in a while. Badly needed after this annus horribilis.
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Pfizer
Trust me, this is fact: Pfizer was not even at 80% effectiveness of their Covid-19 vaccine before Nov 3rd.
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Pfizer CEO
Read the full article before commenting please.
Pfizer's CEO cashed out 60% of his stock on the same day the company unveiled the results of its COVID-19 vaccine trial. It was predetermined trading plan adopted on August 19.
[URL]https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/pfizer-ceo-sold-stock-day-covid-19-vaccine-results-unveiled-2020-11-1029790705[/URL]
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2501566]But Swedes traveled abroad, are you from USA? Swedes travelled to Spain, Greece and other European countries without any problems.
Finland and Sweden are two very different countries when you look under the surface. Swedes are way more social, travel abroad more and have a larger immigrant community. Finland and Sweden doesn't share the same culture except from the northern parts of Sweden where few people lives.[/QUOTE]The point is that most Swedes have not been as carefree in their actions insomuch as to warrant the anti-mitigation argument. Perhaps Swedes traveled abroad a bit, but to what degree when internally, the documented travel habits dropped 80-90%?
These rants about how "lock downs do no good, look at Sweden" are misleading, simplistic, and / or disingenuous. The best point one can make may that "[B]mandatory[/B] government lockdowns" are unnecessary. But like ExPat stated, the expectation that citizens will voluntarily act according to recommendations are in societies that are homogenous and single minded.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2501633]Trust me, this is fact: Pfizer was not even at 80% effectiveness of their Covid-19 vaccine before Nov 3rd.[/QUOTE]Trust? Source would be better. Would also be interested to know what you think the phrase X % effective means.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2501639]Read the full article before commenting please.
Pfizer's CEO cashed out 60% of his stock on the same day the company unveiled the results of its COVID-19 vaccine trial. It was predetermined trading plan adopted on August 19.
[URL]https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/pfizer-ceo-sold-stock-day-covid-19-vaccine-results-unveiled-2020-11-1029790705[/URL][/QUOTE]Tbh, this link and the other comment below that PFE's effectiveness was less than 80% prior to Nov 3 are sounding quite uneducated.
What does it mean "trust me"? Are you claiming you have insider knowledge of the daily efficacy of the vaccine as a time series? Sharing that knowledge on an open forum is a breach of MnPI and is a crime.
I don't know what you were trying to prove by including this link about his sale. It sounds sensationalist to the layman but a CEO is perfectly in his right to sell and buy his stock if it is cleared by his compliance department. The article clearly says it was a 10 b5-1 sale, perfectly legal. If he had bought PfE stock a week before the release of the data at a low stock price, that would be illegal. But here, he sold the stock after the market moving news have been released and the stock spiked nearly 10%.
Seriously, as a Trump supporter, you should be a fan of capitalism and making money from the market if having the brains to do it. Why would you begrudge the PFe CEO that he made money on the data? You personally could have sold the same stock if you already held it, or could have shorted it if you felt like it was tops at $40 (as he seemed to feel) or bought some puts or done a hundred other things.
None of this address the original claim you made that somehow the virus has been cured in some sort of conspiratorial manner in an effort to sink Trump's election, with PFE being a part of it. It seems your best evidence is a stock sale, which is a fairly routine thing. I am happy for the CEO because he led the company, made the deal w / biontech, developed the vaccine, hopefully will save millions of lives, and making a tidy profit for himself and a lot more for his shareholders. That's what life and capitalism is all about but for some reason you seem to resent it.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2501596]You have to cut Wolverine Gino some slack. As I recall, he never posted any comments bemoaning lack of masks among "the thousands of audience at the massive Trump rallies while Sleepy could not attract even a dozen people to his teleprompter readings, which surely signaled an impending Trump win" as their side kept telling us prior to the election. Now he is shocked to observe that people are in the streets after a Biden win and not following proper social distancing rules. As I said, like the tea party which discovers its fiscal prudence chops only when Dems are in power and gives a loud cheer when Trump spent trillions on increasing deficits, his base discovers the horrors of not distancing when it comes to the other side.
At least Pizza Cain is dead. He will not give +1 to Gino's comment. If his estate had any guts, they should press homicide charges against the POTUS.
P.S.: I have to say the spontaneous celebration by thousands of young people dancing all over our cities was the most joyous sight in a while. Badly needed after this annus horribilis.[/QUOTE]Thank you for revealing your hypocrisy and demagoguery (yet again) so clearly that there's no way anyone can take you seriously. You don't mind big crowds as long as they're Democrats. I don't know whether to laugh or cry, but it's sad to see how democrats like you are determined to divide the country.
"Homicide charges", LOL! I guess we can rule out that you ever went to law school.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2501566]But Swedes traveled abroad, are you from USA? Swedes travelled to Spain, Greece and other European countries without any problems.[/QUOTE]Many countries "allowed" passengers to arrive from Sweden, but expected them to self-quarantine. UK and NL removed Sweden from the quarantine list September 10 and August 19 respectively. Air travel is down 80 percent in every country in the world. Across the world in 2020, people have been driving to their holiday destinations, so most people I would guess have been staying within 500 KM of their homes. Dutch were driving to France and Italian. Italian and French were driving to Spain. But Scandinavia being geographically remote is excluded from most of these chains of contact, unless they opted for air travel. Here are the statistics for inbound / outbound travel at Stockholm Arlanda for October 2020:
[QUOTE]Due to the coronavirus outbreak and the limited operations of airports and airlines, only about 460,000 people arrived at and departed from Stockholm Arlanda Airport in October 2020. This was a considerable decline compared to the same period of the previous year, when the airport recorded roughly 2.2 million passengers.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/797099/monthly-number-of-passengers-at-stockholm-arlanda-airport-in-sweden/[/QUOTE]The above link has a graphic. It is behind a paywall but we can clearly see the total passengers for July, August, September were even lower than October. Also, many Swedish families have a summer tradition of going to their summer cottages / cabins, which means there is a mass exodus of people leaving Swedish cities, which would reduce social contact. Twenty percent of Swedish own their own summer home and 50 percent have access to one via friends and family: [URL]https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20200813-the-swedish-staycation-obsession[/URL].
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2501566]Finland and Sweden are two very different countries when you look under the surface. Swedes are way more social, travel abroad more and have a larger immigrant community. Finland and Sweden doesn't share the same culture except from the northern parts of Sweden where few people lives.[/QUOTE]Swedish and Finnish are unique, but I suspect they are closer to each other culturally than they are with the rest of Europe. I imagine the dark winters, remoteness, and that need for survival forged cultures that are independent and used to being isolated for most parts of the year. If I had been forced to live there before modern luxuries such as electricity and modern heating, I am sure I would have been in saunas and drinking spirits too.
[QUOTE]While isolation is especially widespread among older people in Britain and Germany with the majority of those older than 75 living alone other countries in Europe are facing slightly different problems.
[b]In Sweden, for instance, loneliness is far from limited to older generations. According to the European Unions statistics agency, Eurostat, single adults without children make up about half of all households in Sweden. (Across the E.U., singles usually make up about a third of all households, which is already more than in most other places in the world, perhaps excluding Japan.)
Sweden has more than any other country embraced the idea of independent and autonomous individuals and has created institutions that guarantee that we are not dependent on one another, [/b]Erik Gandini, the director of the documentary movie The Swedish Theory of Love, told Radio Sweden in 2016. In his movie, Gandini blames Swedens long-heralded individual autonomy for the fact that up to 25 percent of all Swedes say that they frequently feel lonely.[/QUOTE]Bottom line: Just because you allow people to do things, does not mean they will necessarily do it. Yes, Swedish did not have a "lockdown". But I am fairly certain that their restaurant and public transportation industry remains on life support like everywhere else. If I had a teenage son, I could say to him, "You don't have a curfew. Stay out late. Go get drunk with your friends. Go get laid!" But if he is the nerdy and studious type, he will probably just come home early and study or play video games.
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Pfizer CEO
Looks like some special kids need to be pointed out few chronological events:
1) The US Election date is known as November 3rd for more than a year.
2) In March, Covid-19 hits USA, giving Democrats new lifeline to fight against Trump, at the time widely accepted as one of the most successful POTUS ever.
3) On August 19th, Pfizer CEO chooses to set sell date for 60% of his stocks on November 9th.
4) On Nov 9th only few hours ahead of when the CEO's stock sell is supposed to be executed, Pfizer announces 90% efficacy of their Covid-19 vaccine.
Bravo! Great plan!
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2501718]Thank you for revealing your hypocrisy and demagoguery (yet again) so clearly that there's no way anyone can take you seriously. You don't mind big crowds as long as they're Democrats. I don't know whether to laugh or cry, but it's sad to see how democrats like you are determined to divide the country.
"Homicide charges", LOL! I guess we can rule out that you ever went to law school.[/QUOTE]Ah the Shoe Swede makes his presence felt. Hope you had a good week and enjoyed watching the election results.
Is there a reason I need to explain my vote to a 3rd world dude that wants to sneak into our country a la a million Mexicans and other guys all around the world? If you don't mind, I will limit my dialog to the people who have actual votes and ignore the wannabe Trumpers for now. If ever you have a real vote here, you can have a real say. However, it may be a long time (as in, never) before that can happen thanks to the anti fence jumping walls and police put in place by Trump himself. So, my guess is, you will just have to be content worshiping him from afar.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2501834]Looks like some special kids need to be pointed out few chronological events:
1) The US Election date is known as November 3rd for more than a year.
2) In March, Covid-19 hits USA, giving Democrats new lifeline to fight against Trump, at the time widely accepted as one of the most successful POTUS ever.
3) On August 19th, Pfizer CEO chooses to set sell date for 60% of his stocks on November 9th.
4) On Nov 9th only few hours ahead of when the CEO's stock sell is supposed to be executed, Pfizer announces 90% efficacy of their Covid-19 vaccine.
Bravo! Great plan![/QUOTE]Gino,
Again and again, you demonstrate you really don't understand these things.
He filed the 10 b5-1 on August 19. Only QAnon Trumpers that see deep state in every thing including my coffee cup think there is a connection. By law, 10 b5-1 has to be filed for executives who have a knowledge of MNPI to make their trades and has to be filed prior to the actual trade. He did nothing illegal because the info that moved the market was fully public. That is unlike the criminals (Sen) Burr and Loeffler and hope GA voters remember Loeffler's criminality in the runoff. If the SEC has any issues with Bourla's trade, they can certainly take it up. After all, this is still an admin and agency structure in which every department works not in accordance with law but in alignment of Trump's political wishes and he is screaming from the rooftop that deep state delayed the vaccine data (which you are dutifully relaying to us).
Did you never make any stocks trades in life? Have you ever heard that CXOs at publicly listed firms do indeed trade their own company stock (because they receive so much of their comp in the form of stock and option grants) and have you ever wondered how they can do it because they are in possession of info which is not available to the public about their companies? The answer is 10 b5-1. For some reason, the right wing trolls are going berserk about this very standard procedure.
PFE has been a dreary stock. Going back the last 20 years, it has been above $40 for less than 18 months of the 240 months. When the stock popped briefly to $40+ on Nov 9th morning, the CEO who has a considerable amount of his net worth tied up in that stock took advantage of that brief window. You have to give him credit for his quick reflex.
As a "capitalist Trumper" you would well advised to cheer capital and gains on capital. However, as I said in another comment, the demographic shifts in the last decade have been such that a whole bunch of ex Union blue collar non college Whites have migrated from Dem to GOP especially in the industrial mid west, and a lot of the college educated, high pay white collar Caucasian voters migrated away due to Trump. It seems you are in the former camp.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2501839]Ah the Shoe Swede makes his presence felt. Hope you had a good week and enjoyed watching the election results.
Is there a reason I need to explain my vote to a 3rd world dude that wants to sneak into our country a la a million Mexicans and other guys all around the world? If you don't mind, I will limit my dialog to the people who have actual votes and ignore the wannabe Trumpers for now. If ever you have a real vote here, you can have a real say. However, it may be a long time (as in, never) before that can happen thanks to the anti fence jumping walls and police put in place by Trump himself. So, my guess is, you will just have to be content worshiping him from afar.[/QUOTE]It's funny, this Swede in here across many threads with his head all up between our defeated president's butt cheeks. It's a source of sure amusement.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2501508]Well, don't you want to ask yourself first how and why did China start the pandemic to start with? My money is on the honest answer to that, but too bad we will never know it if we actually end up with the Chinese government running USA in January, and then rest of the world by proxy.[/QUOTE]Lots of questions need to be asked and answered but I was dealing with the issue raised by you. Do lockdowns and masking really help?
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2501949]Lots of questions need to be asked and answered but I was dealing with the issue raised by you. Do lockdowns and masking really help?[/QUOTE]Short answer: Nope.
Long answer: Can't believe China as usual. And the evidence is all over the map about lockdowns and masking, really nothing to conclude IMHO.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2501857]Gino,
Again and again, you demonstrate you really don't understand these things.
He filed the 10 b5-1 on August 19. Only QAnon Trumpers that see deep state in every thing including my coffee cup think there is a connection. By law, 10 b5-1 has to be filed for executives who have a knowledge of MNPI to make their trades and has to be filed prior to the actual trade. He did nothing illegal because the info that moved the market was fully public. That is unlike the criminals (Sen) Burr and Loeffler and hope GA voters remember Loeffler's criminality in the runoff. If the SEC has any issues with Bourla's trade, they can certainly take it up. After all, this is still an admin and agency structure in which every department works not in accordance with law but in alignment of Trump's political wishes and he is screaming from the rooftop that deep state delayed the vaccine data (which you are dutifully relaying to us).
Did you never make any stocks trades in life? Have you ever heard that CXOs at publicly listed firms do indeed trade their own company stock (because they receive so much of their comp in the form of stock and option grants) and have you ever wondered how they can do it because they are in possession of info which is not available to the public about their companies? The answer is 10 b5-1. For some reason, the right wing trolls are going berserk about this very standard procedure..[/QUOTE]Great! Looks like you really know a lot about me. LOL not.
Now, if Pfizer had announced 90% efficacy of the vaccine day (or even an hour) after that stock trade, that would have been clean. Or let's say announce that the vaccine is 80% effective before the election, that would have been clean too.
Now, about conspiracy theories, go talk to Bob Mueller.
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Got to love how some people here assumes some others don't know something without even having a conversation about it. Basement keyboard warrior syndrome much? Or is that what's called a Condescending Douchebag? Even worse is that apparently these people's choice will run the world next 4 years? Mankind is doomed.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2501965]Now, if Pfizer had announced 90% efficacy of the vaccine day (or even an hour) after that stock trade, that would have been clean. Or let's say announce that the vaccine is 80% effective before the election, that would have been clean too.[/QUOTE]Do you even know what 80 or 90% efficacy even means?
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2501938]It's funny, this Swede in here across many threads with his head all up between our defeated president's butt cheeks. It's a source of sure amusement.[/QUOTE]I'm happy that you're amused while hiding in your basement, LMFAO!
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2501965]Great! Looks like you really know a lot about me. LOL not.
Now, if Pfizer had announced 90% efficacy of the vaccine day (or even an hour) after that stock trade, that would have been clean. Or let's say announce that the vaccine is 80% effective before the election, that would have been clean too.
Now, about conspiracy theories, go talk to Bob Mueller.[/QUOTE]Making any sort of trade when Bourla was in possession of market moving info would be illegal.
It is a little sad and embarrassing that I have to even explain this. Perhaps you have never traded a stock in your life. That may explain this utter lack of awareness and absolute misconception.
"Illegal insider trading refers generally to buying or selling a security, in breach of a fiduciary duty or other relationship of trust and confidence, on the basis of material, nonpublic information about the security."
[URL]https://www.investor.gov/introduction-investing/investing-basics/glossary/insider-trading[/URL]
"Insider trading violations may also include "tipping" such information" -- The reason I said in a prior comment that "did you know the time series data about efficacy of the vaccine changed over time?" is due to this line. If ever you are in possession of any market moving info and you carelessly pass it on to other people, you are in serious violation of SEC rule and can go to prison even if you personally did not benefit from such action yourself. My friendly advice: never ever do it.
And what is the crack re: Mueller supposed to be? Mueller certainly did not investigate any insider issues. If it is some sort of pent up anger you are feeling inside related to the impeachment I can't help you there. Trump is one of the very few presidents who lost popular vote both elections he contested, got impeached, and is a one termer. He is facing a ton of legal suits from Manhattan the, tax authorities, and numerous sexual assault lawsuits after he leaves the office. No wonder he is seriously considering pardoning himself.
Oh yeah, you can call me a condescending douchebag to my face. No need to be coy about it in a separate comment.
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Fatality rates exaggerated
I thought it might be worth cross-posting something that was on the Philippine thread.
[QUOTE=RickRock;2473886]I think you're talking about case fatality rates.
The important number is infection fatality rates.
As researchers like us have learned more about the spread of the virus, we have discovered that the total number of infected people is far greater than the number of confirmed cases. For example in New York, it was more than 10 times the previously announced infection rate.
When deaths from COVID-19 are divided by the total number of cases not just reported cases you get a statistic called the infection fatality rate (IFR). The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention currently has a best guess of 0. 26%% for the IFR.
[/QUOTE]On this thread ShooBree has made a similar point. The important statistic is not the CFR (which the media hypes up) but the IFR.
[URL]https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3410:[/URL]
[I]fatality ratio estimates now range from 0.02% to 0.86%, with a median of 0.26%,18 similar to that for seasonal flu.[/I]
[URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf:[/URL]
[I]In people < 70 years, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% with crude and corrected medians of 0.05%.[/I]
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[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2502034]I thought it might be worth cross-posting something that was on the Philippine thread.
On this thread ShooBree has made a similar point. The important statistic is not the CFR (which the media hypes up) but the IFR.
[URL]https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3410:[/URL]
[I]fatality ratio estimates now range from 0.02% to 0.86%, with a median of 0.26%,18 similar to that for seasonal flu.[/I]
[URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf:[/URL]
[I]In people < 70 years, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% with crude and corrected medians of 0.05%.[/I][/QUOTE]None of your links work. Flu mortality estimates are well below 0.1 percent worldwide (not 0.26), and at about. 06 in the US this past season. The flu also doesn't cause bodies to spill into the streets into refrigerated trucks if available or cause ICU units to frequently be stretched to the limits as is the case in the US and elsewhere at the moment. It also doesn't kill 250 K Americans in a season as Covid has thus far or cause long hauler syndromes in survivors. It though amazes me the morons that complain about "media hype" while they sell an array of bogus, agenda driven arguments equating Covid with the flu, arguing that "herd immunity" is achieved at 20% infected, masks don't work, Democrats steal elections but leave guys like Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell in office, and the list goes on.
P.S. If you got those links and analysis off a monger website buyer beware as adherents to the Trump cult are legion. With that I'm done, at least until the end of the year as I have extra work during this time. Enjoy.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2501969]Got to love how some people here assumes some others don't know something without even having a conversation about it. Basement keyboard warrior syndrome much? Or is that what's called a Condescending Douchebag? Even worse is that apparently these people's choice will run the world next 4 years? Mankind is doomed.[/QUOTE]You call people "sheeple" then complain when there's return fire? See photo attachment for sheeple. Snap out of it man. You've been had by a con. Thankfully he is removed from power very soon. Best wishes, seriously.
Oh yea and here's the link that was meant to be included in my last post, forgot.
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2019-2020.html[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2502034]I thought it might be worth cross-posting something that was on the Philippine thread.
On this thread ShooBree has made a similar point. The important statistic is not the CFR (which the media hypes up) but the IFR.
[URL]https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3410:[/URL]
[I]fatality ratio estimates now range from 0.02% to 0.86%, with a median of 0.26%,18 similar to that for seasonal flu.[/I]
[URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf:[/URL]
[I]In people < 70 years, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% with crude and corrected medians of 0.05%.[/I][/QUOTE]Poly,
Good honest attempt, but I doubt you can change the minds and beliefs of most the sheeples with all these real scientific proof-points. These folks have already drank so much kool-aid from the MSM as instructed by their Democrat demagogues that very likely they lost most brain cells to do any independent thinking. I wouldn't exactly blame them though, a lot of people are born with such defects that they get influenced by the libtard kool-aids too easily, not their fault. That said, thank you for the information, reinforces what I (and probably many guys here with independent thinking) already knew at a high-level, and that makes me (and us to) feel more confident going forward in life. Hope we can go FKK-ing again soon.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2501950]Short answer: Nope.
Long answer: Can't believe China as usual. And the evidence is all over the map about lockdowns and masking, really nothing to conclude IMHO.[/QUOTE]So China the world's most populous country must have tens of millions of infections and over a million deaths from covid 19 at this time instead of eighty thousand infections and four thousand deaths.
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I mean, let's just give you the assumption that mortality is similar to the flu (it's not but let's just give you that.).
You still have to account for the much higher infectious rate (ease of spread).
Factors for higher infection include, but are not limited to, tighter binding of the virus to the host receptor (binding to sugar molecules in flu versus tighter protein-protein binding in Sars-Cov2) and a much longer latent period for which carriers can infect the general population (up to 14 times longer.).
This leads to more cases. It's just a mathematical truth even without considering the pathogenesis of disease. Simply put, even if mortality is the same (again, it's not,) if 1% of 1000 people die of the flu, that is 10 deaths, but with 10000 being infected at 1% mortality, you have 100 deaths due to Covid19.
Again, we're not even factoring the fact that the population has developed some baseline immunity to the familiar flu versus to very few people having ever been exposed Sars-Cov like viruses. The likelihood of clinical manifestations developing upon exposure decreases the rate of undiagnosed cases with coronavirus infection. This in turn, decreases the difference between case mortality and infectious mortality rates.
I think I've previously hammered the fact that while everyone is using mortality to judge the severity of the pandemic, hospitalizations, even without death, is not being considered by random people who just want to validate their ill-conceived positions regarding this topic.
Furthermore can we put an end to the stupid idea that covid19 is a respiratory disease like the flu? It's an endothelial disease that starts with the lungs but exerts many more deleterious sequelae via an inflammatory reaction effecting cells that line the vessels of the body I. E. Cardiovascular, endocrine, and hepatic disease.
I can't believe we're still debating these points.
[URL]https://www.uptodate.com/contents/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19-epidemiology-virology-and-prevention[/URL]#H1299415271.
[URL]https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12291-020-00919-0[/URL]
[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2502034]I thought it might be worth cross-posting something that was on the Philippine thread.
On this thread ShooBree has made a similar point. The important statistic is not the CFR (which the media hypes up) but the IFR.
[URL]https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3410:[/URL]
[I]fatality ratio estimates now range from 0.02% to 0.86%, with a median of 0.26%,18 similar to that for seasonal flu.[/I]
[URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf:[/URL]
[I]In people < 70 years, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% with crude and corrected medians of 0.05%.[/I][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2501786]Twenty percent of Swedish own their own summer home and 50 percent have access to one via friends and family: [URL]https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20200813-the-swedish-staycation-obsession[/URL].[/QUOTE]This percentage is actually higher among Norwegians and Finns than among swedes. About 50% higher.
Maybe why we both beat the swedes in distancing. Who knows?
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2502072]Poly,
Good honest attempt, but I doubt you can change the minds and beliefs of most the sheeples with all these real scientific proof-points. These folks have already drank so much kool-aid from the MSM as instructed by their Democrat demagogues that very likely they lost most brain cells to do any independent thinking. I wouldn't exactly blame them though, a lot of people are born with such defects that they get influenced by the libtard kool-aids too easily, not their fault. That said, thank you for the information, reinforces what I (and probably many guys here with independent thinking) already knew at a high-level, and that makes me (and us to) feel more confident going forward in life. Hope we can go FKK-ing again soon.[/QUOTE]I don't understand why you need to bring politics Democrats vs Republicans into the discussion of a viral pandemic. It may be a sign of mental confusion of some sort. You keep considering mortality rates as the only aspect of this virus that is worth considering. You fail to consider that we still don't know the long-term effects of this virus on pregnant women, fetuses, children etc. Persistent Covid symptoms lasting for many months have been recorded in the medical literature and it has already impacted many people around the world. Also, the ICU beds in hospitals are not being filled with dolls, but with real suffering people. Some of which may well have been like this guy, who thought it was all a hoax: [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/13/30-year-old-dies-covid-party-texas[/URL].
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2502149]I don't understand why you need to bring politics Democrats vs Republicans into the discussion of a viral pandemic. It may be a sign of mental confusion of some sort. You keep considering mortality rates as the only aspect of this virus that is worth considering. You fail to consider that we still don't know the long-term effects of this virus on pregnant women, fetuses, children etc. Persistent Covid symptoms lasting for many months have been recorded in the medical literature and it has already impacted many people around the world. Also, the ICU beds in hospitals are not being filled with dolls, but with real suffering people. Some of which may well have been like this guy, who thought it was all a hoax: [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/13/30-year-old-dies-covid-party-texas[/URL].[/QUOTE]Great! Believe what you want believe, many people do that, exactly as I wrote responding to Poly.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2502072]Poly,
Good honest attempt, but I doubt you can change the minds and beliefs of most the sheeples with all these real scientific proof-points. These folks have already drank so much kool-aid from the MSM as instructed by their Democrat demagogues that very likely they lost most brain cells to do any independent thinking. I wouldn't exactly blame them though, a lot of people are born with such defects that they get influenced by the libtard kool-aids too easily, not their fault. That said, thank you for the information, reinforces what I (and probably many guys here with independent thinking) already knew at a high-level, and that makes me (and us to) feel more confident going forward in life. Hope we can go FKK-ing again soon.[/QUOTE]Wow.
What a post!
Earlier you called me a condescending douchebag keyboard warrior and said "you know nothing about me". Fair enough.
Now, the descriptives you have in your comment are: (a) sheeples (b) will not accept real scientific proofs 9 c) drank kool-aid (d) instructed by Dem demagogues (e) lost most brain cells (f) no independent thinking (g) born with these defects (h) libtard (I) kool-aid repeated (j) lack of independent thinking repeated coupled with a self patting about having an abundance of independent thinking.
If only you had printed another paragraph, you would have circled all the English alphabets.
When I disdained your comment in which you made some nonsensical observation about insider trading and thereafter showed that you were absolutely clueless about the subject, my condescension as it were, was limited only to you personally and limited to the subject you initiated your comment on.
Here however, you decided to throw shit at perhaps half the country or more (whoever fits your definition of libtards), and then did not limit your comment to one subject (such as Covid) but everything in life.
I am guess you were born w / o a sense of irony (in addition to having no clue about insider trading) based strictly on what you demonstrated in your comments so far.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2502184]Great! Believe what you want believe, many people do that, exactly as I wrote responding to Poly.[/QUOTE]No need to 'believe', you just have to look at facts. You are entitled to your opinions but not to your own facts. This pandemic is hard to defeat because there are too many people, who consider a youtube video as trustworthy as medical doctor.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2502184]Great! Believe what you want believe, many people do that, exactly as I wrote responding to Poly.[/QUOTE]You realize a majority of Trump supporters don't have a college degree right? Or is that fake news too?
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Example of libtard leaders in USA
Gov. Newsom in hot water over reported birthday party discouraged by CA's COVID-19 protocol.
([URL]https://www.radio.com/kcbsradio/news/local/gov-newsom-at-birthday-party-against-cas-covid-19-protocol[/URL]).
This guy is allowed to run a state in USA that's half the population of Germany!
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How do the smart unbiased people think?
Tesla CEO Elon Musk reported on Twitter that he may have tested positive for the coronavirus after taking four tests half of which came back positive.
"Something extremely bogus is going on." Musk wrote Thursday evening.
[URL]https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Elon-Musk-gets-conflicting-coronavirus-tests-15725398.php[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Palcon;2502247]You realize a majority of Trump supporters don't have a college degree right? Or is that fake news too?[/QUOTE]Its a fake news of course all are rumors.
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[QUOTE=Palcon;2502247]You realize a majority of Trump supporters don't have a college degree right? Or is that fake news too?[/QUOTE][URL]https://wallethub.com/edu/e/most-educated-states/31075[/URL]
[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educational_attainment_in_the_United_States[/URL]
To be fair, voters for both parties are dominated by those w / odegrees.
The simple fact is that less than 40% of the country (adults) have degrees.
It is true that in the recent past degrees voters among Whites have migrated away from GOP. I said this in other posts.
Also the link above shows top and bottom 10 ranked on educational achievements. The top 0 are all solidly blue and 8 of bottom 10 are deep red. Only NM and NV in bottom 10 are purple or blue.
Generally it has been true that the richer states have trended blue of late while the poorer are red. Urban dominated states have higher per capita incomes and tend to be blue, while rural states have lower income levels and are red. Also, South is poor and red and northeast and west coast are richer and blue. But some changes are happening, like GA being in the south, turning blue and also richer due to growing Atlanta while industrial Midwest which used to be solidly middle class got hollowed out due to China taking a lot of our manufacturing, income levels went down and some of them turned from blue to purple or even red. Ohio is one example.
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It is a risk for the alt right dudes to hitch their wagon to Musk. He tends to be a loose cannon. It was only in the recent past that Musk and Tesla were derided by right wingers, as they hated EVs and tend to support fossil fuel industry. Forever, right wing told us Tesla would collapse if subsidies were removed, which indeed would have been the case until 2018. Or even early 2019. Now things changed, Telsa's balance sheet improved (mostly because their stock went up 10 times). Anyway, yeah, Musk suddenly became a darling or the right due to his Covid stance although I don't think he gives a flying fuck about right or left. His only concern was to keep the Fremont plant open and keep the production line switched on, otherwise he can't deliver the units he promised investors and his stock would have crashed. So, he did something in self interest and voila he is a rallying hero for the right. But of course to claim he is emblematic of all independent thinkers or smart people is nonsense, especially when it comes from alt right that spat on him till 2 years ago. What about Gates, Zuckerberg, Larry Page, Sergei Brinn, W Buffett? They all swear by the mask and don't think Covid is a nothingburger. They are brainwashed turds? I guess they made $425 billion between just the five of them by outsourcing their brain, eh?
What about Mitch McConnell? You know after Jan 20, he is the de facto leader of GOP. Moscow Mitch may give lip service to every violent tweet by Trump against Dr Fauci but when it comes to his own health Mitch is religiously mask wearing. He shunned White House for 2 months because he knew WH is a Covid pit. Not only that, he proudly declared he has been shunning WH. Bold declaration indeed by a GOPer in the land of trumpards.
Is Mitch clueless? Is he a libtard? He is a sheeple I guess? Brainwashed by the liberal kool aid drinkers?
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When did Gino become a Russian bot?
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2502255]Tesla CEO Elon Musk reported on Twitter that he may have tested positive for the coronavirus after taking four tests half of which came back positive.
"Something extremely bogus is going on." Musk wrote Thursday evening.
[URL]https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Elon-Musk-gets-conflicting-coronavirus-tests-15725398.php[/URL][/QUOTE]In many cities and countries the hospitals are full with sick people (mostly covid) some are dying like never, the pandemic is not under control, except China, Korea, Japan. Musk is just a businessman trying to making as much money as possible, obviously the tests are not reliable, everyone knows that, obviously the vaccine will not be efficient just because we have already today the 4th variant, but still people don't respect social distancing, still people telling the covid is not dangerous. Today it is very easy to get informed but at least you need to be open to the reality but so many people are not.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2502120]So China the world's most populous country must have tens of millions of infections and over a million deaths from covid 19 at this time instead of eighty thousand infections and four thousand deaths.[/QUOTE]Do you trust chinese figures? When US are reaching 250.000 deaths, UK more than 50.000 , France more than 40.000.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2502255]Tesla CEO Elon Musk reported on Twitter that he may have tested positive for the coronavirus after taking four tests half of which came back positive.
"Something extremely bogus is going on." Musk wrote Thursday evening.
[URL]https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Elon-Musk-gets-conflicting-coronavirus-tests-15725398.php[/URL].[/QUOTE]He's mixing up the different types of tests. There are the quick 5 minute tests that are only 75-80% reliable used for fast screening in emergent settings. The standard of care that is actually used are the PCR tests that requires processing in a lab. Those are the ones used to confirm positive tests and also the ones most countries use for travel purposes. The article specifically mentions the rapid antigen tests not the standard of care PCR mRNA tests.
Nothing fishy or unexpected here. Details matter.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2502343]Do you trust chinese figures? When US are reaching 250.000 deaths, UK more than 50.000 , France more than 40.000.[/QUOTE]China has 4 times the population of the US so they should have about 1,000,000 dead at this time instead of 4,000. US has 10,000,000 covid infections so China should have around 40,000,000 and with those number of infections they did this in Wuhan recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjDLFjmkNuQ
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2502389]China has 4 times the population of the US so they should have about 1,000,000 dead at this time instead of 4,000. US has 10,000,000 covid infections so China should have around 40,000,000 and with those number of infections they did this in Wuhan recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjDLFjmkNuQ[/QUOTE]Nobody know the truth about China, land of freedom and for human rights, a whole huge lie. US also can't know with more than 10 millions illegals and maybe about 50 millions without healthcare insurance, when Trump was telling no risk, Americans are stronger, maybe why Pfizer fucked him, waiting Biden to be elected, because thinking they would not make big business under crazy golfer.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2502305]When did Gino become a Russian bot?[/QUOTE]Well, tried to be Chinese bot, but they first wanted me to support that selfish clueless piece of crap Biden, and that broke the deal. Sorry mate.
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Difference between Libtards and Independent Thinkers
Libtards follow whatever their demagogues ask them to. They don't change their points of views based on facts, trends and real science.
Independent Thinkers on the other hand, uses their own brain, education and knowledge to adjust their points of views irrespective of who said what. Yesterday they may have supported one person's view, today may not like the same person's view on another item, tomorrow might be different. It all depends on the facts, actions and statistical trends, not on any demagogue.
We don't expect libtards to understand or accept the above.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2502343]Do you trust chinese figures? When US are reaching 250.000 deaths, UK more than 50.000 , France more than 40.000.[/QUOTE]Maybe you should trust the Swiss figures, the figures are skyrocketing just because people like you are not respecting the social distancing. I think you are a clever man but it is not because it is allowed that we have to do it, probably they will close all FKK in Austria and Switzerland. Again and again, it is not the good time to monger, keep social distancing and protect yourself and the others.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2502389]China has 4 times the population of the US so they should have about 1,000,000 dead at this time instead of 4,000. US has 10,000,000 covid infections so China should have around 40,000,000 and with those number of infections they did this in Wuhan recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjDLFjmkNuQ[/QUOTE]Covid19 is corona virus number 7 or 8 and they all came from China so obviously the population immunity against corona viruses is much higher in China and East Asia than the Americas and Europe. Same logic as when the Spaniards came to South America; 90% of South Americans died and none of the Europeans.
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[QUOTE=Oregon97;2502422]Covid19 is corona virus number 7 or 8 and they all came from China so obviously the population immunity against corona viruses is much higher in China and East Asia than the Americas and Europe. Same logic as when the Spaniards came to South America; 90% of South Americans died and none of the Europeans.[/QUOTE]And which logic should we apply to you? You are not serious, today in Europe we have variant number 4 coming from the nordic countries, nobody knows if the Pfister vaccine will be efficient against him. The CEO of Pfister sold 5 MUSD shares the same day they announced the vaccine) China, Korea, Japan, Israel. Are very homogenous countries (including the ethny of their populations) and they are doing very well to fight the pandemic just because they are together. On this forum we still have guys going to prostitutes or FKK like there is no covid and we can easily see the results: full lockdown in Austria, Germany, may be Switzerland.
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[QUOTE=Oregon97;2502422]Covid19 is corona virus number 7 or 8 and they all came from China so obviously the population immunity against corona viruses is much higher in China and East Asia than the Americas and Europe. Same logic as when the Spaniards came to South America; 90% of South Americans died and none of the Europeans.[/QUOTE]I doubt that is the case. If all the Chinese people already had achieved immunity vs Covid19 China would not have imposed such draconian lockdown in Jan and Feb. It would not have spread as fast as it did in Wuhan and Killed as many. Every time a small new cluster is found, they are doing city wide testing for millions of people. My own friends who have visited China in the last few months have been forced to do quarantine very strictly in hotels for 2 weeks before being allowed to go into general population.
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[QUOTE=Oregon97;2502422]Covid19 is corona virus number 7 or 8 and they all came from China so obviously the population immunity against corona viruses is much higher in China and East Asia than the Americas and Europe. Same logic as when the Spaniards came to South America; 90% of South Americans died and none of the Europeans.[/QUOTE]Dude, you trying to be logical with this bunch? Good luck with that LOL.
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[QUOTE=Oregon97;2502422]Covid19 is corona virus number 7 or 8 and they all came from China so obviously the population immunity against corona viruses is much higher in China and East Asia than the Americas and Europe. Same logic as when the Spaniards came to South America; 90% of South Americans died and none of the Europeans.[/QUOTE]Let us compare countries that are in the Americas then.
Uruguay's 7-day average for new cases is 73. It's two neighbours: 31 K Brazil, Argentina 9 K. Adjusted for population Uruguay has 8 times less new case than Brazil.
Uruguay C19 deaths per million is 18. Brazil and Argentina are both 700+, so 40 times better than its two neighbors.
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&country=URY~BRA~ARG®ion=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=total_cases&pickerSort=desc[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2502389]China has 4 times the population of the US so they should have about 1,000,000 dead at this time instead of 4,000. US has 10,000,000 covid infections so China should have around 40,000,000 and with those number of infections they did this in Wuhan recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjDLFjmkNuQ[/QUOTE]I'm also skeptical with the Chinese numbers, but the trump card here is that a lockdown in communist China is actually a real house arrest lockdown, as opposed to the quasi-"lockdown"-in-name-only that we're seeing here in free societies.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2502340]In many cities and countries the hospitals are full with sick people (mostly covid) some are dying like never, the pandemic is not under control, except China, Korea, Japan. Musk is just a businessman trying to making as much money as possible, obviously the tests are not reliable, everyone knows that, obviously the vaccine will not be efficient just because we have already today the 4th variant, but still people don't respect social distancing, still people telling the covid is not dangerous. Today it is very easy to get informed but at least you need to be open to the reality but so many people are not.[/QUOTE]Fully right for too many deaths, but in my country, only 4000 for less than 65 yo. In US, mostly Afros and poor people, unfortunately unfair.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2502441]Dude, you trying to be logical with this bunch? Good luck with that LOL.[/QUOTE]Oregon is saying Chinese were not impacted by Covid and had achieved herd immunity. So you agree with him?
But you were arguing that China was so polluted with the virus so much so that anyone w / an Asian look had to be stopped from stepping inside the club.
It appears you are confused in your anger and no longer know what you are agreeing with or disputing anymore. Some fresh air might do you good.
BTW, I am still waiting to hear if you think Moscow Mitch is a libtard because he is wearing a mask and staying away from WH due to Corona fears and you said anyone excessively concerned about Corona is a libtard and does not have own brain.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2502441]Dude, you trying to be logical with this bunch? Good luck with that LOL.[/QUOTE]Says the troll who ignores every piece of actual clinical data posted on here. Can't selectively play in the mud but pretend to be "logical". Fooling no one.
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Rational thinkers
Gino02: not just Libtards, but all tards shackled to doctrine. Religion and politics are great examples of brand over substance, facts or logic. Being shown to be wrong is when we evolve and learn. We need more learn it alls and less "know" it alls.
It is also presently rational that we like hot young women with tight pussies and the joy of consummation of this very primal act. It too could change, but for now the evidence is that shooting a load in a girls mouth before my morning coffee puts a happy frame on the rest of the day. What is the views of of other readers as to the truth or falsity of these statements?
Graphic photos and salacious detail gets more points!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2502458]I'm also skeptical with the Chinese numbers, but the trump card here is that a lockdown in communist China is actually a real house arrest lockdown, as opposed to the quasi-"lockdown"-in-name-only that we're seeing here in free societies.[/QUOTE]100.000 new cases per day now in US, no protection planned, a bit criminal from Trump, when even North Dakota with farms is now down under covid, and also some women complaints about sexual harassment, money affairs, may going hard time for Trump after 20 January, maybe becoming a real loser, not only fired by election.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2502457]Let us compare countries that are in the Americas then.
Uruguay's 7-day average for new cases is 73. It's two neighbours: 31 K Brazil, Argentina 9 K. Adjusted for population Uruguay has 8 times less new case than Brazil.
Uruguay C19 deaths per million is 18. Brazil and Argentina are both 700+, so 40 times better than its two neighbors.
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&country=URY~BRA~ARG®ion=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=total_cases&pickerSort=desc[/URL][/QUOTE]South America should be better now when Summer there, despite crazy Bolzanaro. Covid slept a bit on this Summer in Western Europe, but woke up on September.
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US Centric
[QUOTE=Turgid;2502389]China has 4 times the population of the US so they should have about 1,000,000 dead at this time instead of 4,000. US has 10,000,000 covid infections so China should have around 40,000,000 and with those number of infections they did this in Wuhan recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjDLFjmkNuQ[/QUOTE]No, they shouldn't. The USA is the anomaly. Just look at its STI and HIV figures compared to, say, Japan and Korea, or even Western Europe. They even have the bubonic plague among California's street folk; the Indians in Arizona have always had it lingering. The USA is a great place if you are flush with cash. Not so good otherwise.
Another thing you and others ignore is the age demographic. Why is / was it so prevalent in Iran with its relatively youthful population? Italy and Spain are explained by asset stripping and starving its hospitals of cash. British figures can be explained by NHS nurses doing tik tok videos on machinery instead of working.
This fairy story that a Wall St vaccine will save the world belongs in beauty contests.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2502494]Oregon is saying Chinese were not impacted by Covid and had achieved herd immunity. So you agree with him?
But you were arguing that China was so polluted with the virus so much so that anyone w / an Asian look had to be stopped from stepping inside the club.
It appears you are confused in your anger and no longer know what you are agreeing with or disputing anymore. Some fresh air might do you good.
BTW, I am still waiting to hear if you think Moscow Mitch is a libtard because he is wearing a mask and staying away from WH due to Corona fears and you said anyone excessively concerned about Corona is a libtard and does not have own brain.[/QUOTE]It's funny that you're talking about anger considering you got some serious anger management problems yourself. How big is your tinfoil hat? Conspiracy theories lives rent free in your head.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2502550]100.000 new cases per day now in US, no protection planned, a bit criminal from Trump, when even North Dakota with farms is now down under covid, and also some women complaints about sexual harassment, money affairs, may going hard time for Trump after 20 January, maybe becoming a real loser, not only fired by election.[/QUOTE]LOL, he sees the word trump and thinks Donald Trump. English.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2502494]Oregon is saying Chinese were not impacted by Covid and had achieved herd immunity. So you agree with him?
But you were arguing that China was so polluted with the virus so much so that anyone w / an Asian look had to be stopped from stepping inside the club.
It appears you are confused in your anger and no longer know what you are agreeing with or disputing anymore. Some fresh air might do you good.
BTW, I am still waiting to hear if you think Moscow Mitch is a libtard because he is wearing a mask and staying away from WH due to Corona fears and you said anyone excessively concerned about Corona is a libtard and does not have own brain.[/QUOTE]People can carry and spread the virus (any pathogen for that matter) but still not be sick from it. Maybe still nobody told you so?
Yes, Mitch acted like a scared libtard on this case IMHO. Happy? Remember, that doesn't make him a full libtard like the never Trumper full libtards. Anyone who's unable to adjust his views and opinions based on facts, stats and trends on a case by case basis is a complete brain-dead moron, which is one of the major traits of libtards.
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Unity and healing from gracious Biden voters
Watch this, and let's wait for the next call for Unity from the "President-elect."
[URL]https://twitter.com/GerryCallahan/status/1327766569519353857?s=19[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2502707]Watch this, and let's wait for the next call for Unity from the "President-elect."
[URL]https://twitter.com/GerryCallahan/status/1327766569519353857?s=19[/URL][/QUOTE]Yeah that guy was such an innocent victim. Eyeroll. 2 animals and you just side with the animal that serves your agenda.
[URL]https://t.co/fCNBL7nRGI[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2502703]People can carry and spread the virus (any pathogen for that matter) but still not be sick from it. Maybe still nobody told you so?
Yes, Mitch acted like a scared libtard on this case IMHO. Happy? Remember, that doesn't make him a full libtard like the never Trumper full libtards. Anyone who's unable to adjust his views and opinions based on facts, stats and trends on a case by case basis is a complete brain-dead moron, which is one of the major traits of libtards.[/QUOTE]"People can carry and spread the virus (any pathogen for that matter) but still not be sick from it. Maybe still nobody told you so?" - You have any proof that I said the opposite of this anywhere? Of course not. You are just mouthing off.
On the subject of Covid, I never made any super strong arguments in either direction. The one thing I have said consistently is that Trump was fucking incompetent in managing the outbreak in US and intentionally so. US having 18% of world deaths w / 4% of world's population is one solid fact (of course Trumpers claim he is not responsible for national health; state governors, mayors, municipal authorities are; he is happy though to take credit for any good outcome from anywhere, even a vaccine from a German private sector BionTech. Fancy that!
I did have a massive argument w / McA a few months ago that China probably played a strong role in spreading the virus, perhaps intentionally because they have the motive. I also said I have tons of sympathy for the economic calamity caused by shutdowns which is just as bad as the health calamity. For that reason, I never took any strong stance on Swedish approach one way or other -- there are no easy solutions here.
But you are the one who is making contradictory statements, which supports the conclusion that you are confused in your state of anger and don't even know which side you are on. You agree with Oregon that China has a strong chance of acquiring herd immunity due to past Coronas but you also said Chinese and pretty much all Asians need to be blocked from entering FKKs because they will infect the entire club.
As for your definition of libtard who fucking cares? You just project all the negative attributes you can think of into a fictional character that you name libtard. That is fine, except you call whoever you dislike a libtard regardless of real facts. By your own definition, any person lacking critical thinking is a libtard. But you make a prejudgement about a specific person / entire population based on your emotional overreaction, call that person a libtard and then go in search of reasons to justify that characterization. To me, that approach looks "libtardish".
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Looks like Mursenarys forcast was prescient
The winter wave of USA cases is here. Makes you ponder the thought that it is a CIA / Area 51/ Roswell / conspiracy / etc plot by pension and health funds to get rid of the elderly and sick and improve their cash flow and long dated liabilities = cash out on bonuses NOW.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2502766]"People can carry and spread the virus (any pathogen for that matter) but still not be sick from it. Maybe still nobody told you so?" - You have any proof that I said the opposite of this anywhere? Of course not. You are just mouthing off.[/QUOTE]Expected you, with so much to write to justify your points, to be smarter than this to connect the dots. Oh well, my bad.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2502766] As for your definition of libtard who fucking cares? [/QUOTE]That's what I thought too, was just supporting you by responding to your question in your last post about it. Again, my bad for not being able to guess that you forget too fast. Or maybe when you have to lie to so many people (starting with your wife and kids to everyone around you to get to Sugar Babes or FKKs or even to just make time to write on the mongering boards, or to justify your political views) all day long, it's not quite easy to remember everything. Maybe stop lying, and it will be easier for you to remember simple truth and facts, but hey I know you are not the kind who will take such an advice, so here I stop.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2502861]Or maybe when you have to lie to so many people (starting with your wife and kids to everyone around you to get to Sugar Babes or FKKs or even to just make time to write on the mongering boards, or to justify your political views) all day long, it's not quite easy to remember everything. Maybe stop lying, and it will be easier for you to remember simple truth and facts, but hey I know you are not the kind who will take such an advice, so here I stop.[/QUOTE]Ouch, these moralists, sprouting faster than weeds in my backyard in spring I tell you. From you or the fuckterd race warrior or others, all of them pushing their personal code of fucking morals on to me and preaching about lies and marital fidelity. Very touching. We are on a site dedicated to mongering activities, for fuck's sake. When I need help easing my conscience, I will go to my preacher (been a while, sadly).
"or to justify your political views) all day long," - I definitely applaud the restraint you show in not pushing your political views all day long. Kudos. LOL.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2503046]Ouch, these moralists, sprouting faster than weeds in my backyard in spring I tell you. From you or the fuckterd race warrior or others, all of them pushing their personal code of fucking morals on to me and preaching about lies and marital fidelity. Very touching. We are on a site dedicated to mongering activities, for fuck's sake. When I need help easing my conscience, I will go to my preacher (been a while, sadly).
"or to justify your political views) all day long," - I definitely applaud the restraint you show in not pushing your political views all day long. Kudos. LOL.[/QUOTE]Calling you out for promoting mass deportation (the record proves as such no matter how much you deny it) and your tendency to lump all asians into one monolith and blame the atrocities of some random nation to a person of unrelated nationality is just pointing out your ignorance, hardly being a race warrior. Your proclaimed exposure to cultural diversity makes your ignorance even more shameful.
Mongering and marital infidelity are two separate activities. At least we're not lying to our life partners. What a fraud.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2503046]Ouch, these moralists, sprouting faster than weeds in my backyard in spring I tell you. From you or the fuckterd race warrior or others, all of them pushing their personal code of fucking morals on to me and preaching about lies and marital fidelity. Very touching. We are on a site dedicated to mongering activities, for fuck's sake. When I need help easing my conscience, I will go to my preacher (been a while, sadly).
"or to justify your political views) all day long," - I definitely applaud the restraint you show in not pushing your political views all day long. Kudos. LOL.[/QUOTE]No point teaching or pointing morals to cheaters, I just wanted to point out that maybe you are forgetting things having to lie all day long so much. But then again it's my bad, stubborn people don't take suggestions for improvements.
On the topic of political views, it's no use justifying them to brainwashed libtards, I just let people know what's my view, and share some relevant facts. I'm not writing pages of political craps to prove my points unlike some folks here LOL.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2503146]No point teaching or pointing morals to cheaters, I just wanted to point out that maybe you are forgetting things having to lie all day long so much. But then again it's my bad, stubborn people don't take suggestions for improvements.
On the topic of political views, it's no use justifying them to brainwashed libtards, I just let people know what's my view, and share some relevant facts. I'm not writing pages of political craps to prove my points unlike some folks here LOL.[/QUOTE]I thought the prior comment was your last dig? "but hey I know you are not the kind who will take such an advice, so here I stop." And BTW, I see you always reply back but think you are "not writing pages of political craps to prove my points". Perhaps you can't express yourself beyond using a few words such as libtards and that might explain why "you are not writing pages". Like your hero who jumbles the same 20 bigly beautiful words in a tremendously random beautiful amazing way. You should learn how he makes those weird hand movements, then you will be golden.
As I said, I have the fuckterd race warrior attacking me that I am some kinda racist (nevermind that he is patron saint of discriminating door clubs), Shoe Swede calling me a liberal Dem, and Mr Gino of pithy brevity calling me libtard. Alright then. They all seem to love each other though. Opposite ends do meet at the extremes, per some theory.
Good night!
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2503201]As I said, I have the fuckterd race warrior attacking me that I am some kinda racist (nevermind that he is patron saint of discriminating door clubs), Shoe Swede calling me a liberal Dem, and Mr Gino of pithy brevity calling me libtard. Alright then. They all seem to love each other though. Opposite ends do meet at the extremes, per some theory.
Good night![/QUOTE]Bahaha, saying something all day doesn't make it true.
After all of the phony pleasantries I'm glad I could do my part in exposing what fraud this guy is. Emotional, illogical, overly sensitive. A man child who grasp at straws.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2503201]I thought the prior comment was your last dig? "but hey I know you are not the kind who will take such an advice, so here I stop." And BTW, I see you always reply back but think you are "not writing pages of political craps to prove my points". Perhaps you can't express yourself beyond using a few words such as libtards and that might explain why "you are not writing pages". Like your hero who jumbles the same 20 bigly beautiful words in a tremendously random beautiful amazing way. You should learn how he makes those weird hand movements, then you will be golden.
As I said, I have the fuckterd race warrior attacking me that I am some kinda racist (nevermind that he is patron saint of discriminating door clubs), Shoe Swede calling me a liberal Dem, and Mr Gino of pithy brevity calling me libtard. Alright then. They all seem to love each other though. Opposite ends do meet at the extremes, per some theory.
Good night![/QUOTE]Going off-topic whenever realizes lost the argument. Typical libtard.
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That's funny but I just read il 'LE monde' (French newspaper) that Swede was totally changing its strategy and enforcing some kind of light lock down. Maybe the former strategy was not working so well.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2503359]Going off-topic whenever realizes lost the argument. Typical libtard.[/QUOTE]This one though, even more nonsensical with his pejoratives from 2008.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2503390]That's funny but I just read il 'LE monde' (French newspaper) that Swede was totally changing its strategy and enforcing some kind of light lock down. Maybe the former strategy was not working so well.[/QUOTE]Yeah I saw that too. Right now (data as of 15 minutes ago), here are the 7 day moving averages of Covid-19 Deaths per million population: Austria = 6.89, France = 9.45, Germany = 2.11 and Sweden = 0.90.
Let's see which strategy is / was more effective in the long run.
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Pleasantries are reserved for normal people. Fuckterd race warriors will be called out as such. High school must have been painful hehe. The only thing you exposed is that you are ashamed of your own profession and pose around as a doctor when you are really a lowly paid researcher that brings shame to his parents. Glad you found common cause with Gino. As I said, crazies from left and right converge at the extremes as in a horse shoe (a large percent of Sanders' voters did vote for Trump, per exit polls).
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2503359]Going off-topic whenever realizes lost the argument. Typical libtard.[/QUOTE]Sure, speaking of winning arguments, you showed you haven't foggiest fucking clue about insider or equities but brought it up all the same. Typical uneducated Trumpard.
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NL also changed from no confine to confine. Sweden now close universities.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2503390]That's funny but I just read il 'LE monde' (French newspaper) that Swede was totally changing its strategy and enforcing some kind of light lock down. Maybe the former strategy was not working so well.[/QUOTE]This surprises me because Shoo Swede said Sweden had already reached herd immunity. Then again new cases have been shooting through the roof there over the last month. And Shoo Swede also believes Trump will be back for a second term, that after they manage to purge those Liberal Democrat space aliens out of the voting machines. LOL.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2503465]Pleasantries are reserved for normal people. Fuckterd race warriors will be called out as such. High school must have been painful hehe. The only thing you exposed is that you are ashamed of your own profession and pose around as a doctor when you are really a lowly paid researcher that brings shame to his parents. Glad you found common cause with Gino. As I said, crazies from left and right converge at the extremes as in a horse shoe (a large percent of Sanders' voters did vote for Trump, per exit polls).[/QUOTE]Keeping lying to yourself dork. South Asian, Jewish, or just a dorky white guy? I narrowed it down to those 3. Bahahaha.
Fucktard? Fuckturd? Fuckterd seems to be an odd choice in spelling. Fucking dork.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2503476]Sure, speaking of winning arguments, you showed you haven't foggiest fucking clue about insider or equities but brought it up all the same. Typical uneducated Trumpard.[/QUOTE]Dude, if you really want, I will teach you options trading to shut your fucking condescending douchebag mouth. Go tell another lie to your wife and kids why you are not with them right now, you typical libtard liar in denial LOL.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2503004]Even I don't go so often than in Germany or Switzerland, but I know Catalunya and Romanians there are not on Germany or Switzerland or Austria level and most often more expensive than in Germany. Spain worth for me for Slavians meaning Belarus, Russians, Ukrainians. I don't care about brothels, but I want elegant beauties. They are rare in Germany, Switzerland and Austria, and also in Spain, but sometimes I find one. I need only 1.[/QUOTE]You said you go every weekend to Germany, Austria or Switzerland with your Manual Audi from Paris, you already forgot what you said before continuously?
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Italy? I thought the origin of this virus is because of China and France!
So the virus was in Italy already in last September?
As for now, it is from wuhan China by French built laboratory, so it is still originally the fault of China and France!
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2503465]Pleasantries are reserved for normal people. Fuckterd race warriors will be called out as such. High school must have been painful hehe. The only thing you exposed is that you are ashamed of your own profession and pose around as a doctor when you are really a lowly paid researcher that brings shame to his parents. Glad you found common cause with Gino. As I said, crazies from left and right converge at the extremes as in a horse shoe (a large percent of Sanders' voters did vote for Trump, per exit polls).[/QUOTE]I had backed Sanders, he was for decriminalizing sex work.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2503479]NL also changed from no confine to confine. Sweden now close universities.[/QUOTE]What are the vaccine plans in Europe and in each country? PFE / Biontech and MRNA have the most advanced vaccines but they can only make 45 mil doses (sufficient for 22-23 million people) by January. This is going to be a international political brawl? There was a press release from the companies that EU will be supplied out of the factories based in EU. I don't know if the above mentioned 45 mil doses by Jan includes both US and EU or just US. And in any case, that amount covers just a sliver of the population. Is it upto the companies to decide how many doses to supply to various countries or is there any protocol to this? I suppose by the end of 2021 or somewhere in 2022 there would be enough production to supply all, but the trick is what happens between now and then. There could be a lot of unpleasantness if say, cases spike in UK suddenly and politicians over there demand that their order be fulfilled but Biontech prioritizes supply to Germany for example.
Obviously Astra and other companies also have their own vaccines in development but I can see there would be some heated rhetoric on who gets the vaccine first in the coming months. Not to mention, there are 7 billion+ people in the world but for now the priority will go to those in US / EU unfortunately. There could be a big discussion of race / income / other ethics if it happens that cases are brought down sufficiently in the West and yet they keep administering vaccine to cover 70/80% of the population while say cases and deaths spike up uncontrollably in some poor, third world country. In such a scenario, there would be the inevitable discussion of "are those lives less important"?
I also don't know how much of a problem is the lack of cold chain in all these countries. I think the 45 mil doses from PFE+MRNA is an ideal situation number? If 45 mil doses are produced does not mean that many are administered because of the rigorous need for cold chain. That is tough enough in developed countries but could be a nightmare in third world. A whole bunch of doses may spoil while sitting in a leaked cold facility or sitting on a tarmac on a hot day.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2503629]I had backed Sanders, he was for decriminalizing sex work.[/QUOTE]Was it just a line in a manifesto or was he actively pushing for it? Did he put out any detailed plan on the issue? He is certainly a maverick in some ways. However, if he had become the nominee (and even more difficult) won the presidency he would have had a tough time implementing the sex work legitimization plan across the country. Wouldn't that be a local issue? M88 would know.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2503465]Pleasantries are reserved for normal people. Fuckterd race warriors will be called out as such. High school must have been painful hehe. The only thing you exposed is that you are ashamed of your own profession and pose around as a doctor when you are really a lowly paid researcher that brings shame to his parents. Glad you found common cause with Gino. As I said, crazies from left and right converge at the extremes as in a horse shoe (a large percent of Sanders' voters did vote for Trump, per exit polls).[/QUOTE]Yeah right, it's everyone else that's crazy, not you. I love your arguments, "fucktard", how original! Did you learn that while playing Minecraft online in your mother's basement? Did you even finish high school? That would be an achievement considering the "intelligence" that you display on this forum. It's a wonder that you haven't been banned already.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2503390]That's funny but I just read il 'LE monde' (French newspaper) that Swede was totally changing its strategy and enforcing some kind of light lock down. Maybe the former strategy was not working so well.[/QUOTE]Well, that's incorrect. There are no lockdown, nor any light lockdown. Even if they wanted to, which they don't, they can't legally do so. You have stop reading and believe everything that fake news writes.
The "former" strategy was working excellent, in fact almost every other country have copied that strategy.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2503476]Sure, speaking of winning arguments, you showed you haven't foggiest fucking clue about insider or equities but brought it up all the same. Typical uneducated Trumpard.[/QUOTE]Show your posts to your wife and ask her if she believes that it's a completely normal, sane person that wrote those. The answer may shock you.
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The Russia Collusion accusation was proven to be a hoax. Now let's see if the Election Software rigging accusation is proven real or hoax. Time to sit back, relax and enjoy another show while we eagerly wait for the smart people to come to senses to reopen the FKKs so that we can again shoot our loads into the beautiful Romanian mouths.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2503501]This surprises me because Shoo Swede said Sweden had already reached herd immunity. Then again new cases have been shooting through the roof there over the last month. And Shoo Swede also believes Trump will be back for a second term, that after they manage to purge those Liberal Democrat space aliens out of the voting machines. LOL.[/QUOTE]Still cracking jokes in your basement. I remember that you wrote that you don't care if people lose their jobs / businesses, homes and end up on the street. You truly are a role model for all of us. Tell us more about how you want to fuck people's lives up because you're a scared old man.
You praised NY so much, but NJ&NY are still the worst affected states in the world. I'm happy that Sweden are doing so much better than your failed libtard politicians. But let me guess, you put on CNN and saw how Fredo Cuomo called his brother Michael Cuomo a hero. So you picked your nose and thought, if it's on CNN it have to be true. Besides, why would Fredo Cuomo lie about his brother?
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Coronavirus immunity may last years, possibly even decades, study suggests.
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/11/17/coronavirus-immunity-may-last-years-possibly-even-decades-study-suggests/?sh=249615f34185[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2503666]The Russia Collusion accusation was proven to be a hoax. Now let's see if the Election Software rigging accusation is proven real or hoax. Time to sit back, relax and enjoy another show while we eagerly wait for the smart people to come to senses to reopen the FKKs so that we can again shoot our loads into the beautiful Romanian mouths.[/QUOTE]Proven to be a hoax and unable to be proven are very different things. Not that I care but framing matters.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2503644]What are the vaccine plans in Europe and in each country? PFE / Biontech and MRNA have the most advanced vaccines but they can only make 45 mil doses (sufficient for 22-23 million people) by January. This is going to be a international political brawl? There was a press release from the companies that EU will be supplied out of the factories based in EU. I don't know if the above mentioned 45 mil doses by Jan includes both US and EU or just US. And in any case, that amount covers just a sliver of the population. Is it upto the companies to decide how many doses to supply to various countries or is there any protocol to this? I suppose by the end of 2021 or somewhere in 2022 there would be enough production to supply all, but the trick is what happens between now and then. There could be a lot of unpleasantness if say, cases spike in UK suddenly and politicians over there demand that their order be fulfilled but Biontech prioritizes supply to Germany for example.
Obviously Astra and other companies also have their own vaccines in development but I can see there would be some heated rhetoric on who gets the vaccine first in the coming months. Not to mention, there are 7 billion+ people in the world but for now the priority will go to those in US / EU unfortunately. There could be a big discussion of race / income / other ethics if it happens that cases are brought down sufficiently in the West and yet they keep administering vaccine to cover 70/80% of the population while say cases and deaths spike up uncontrollably in some poor, third world country. In such a scenario, there would be the inevitable discussion of "are those lives less important"?
I also don't know how much of a problem is the lack of cold chain in all these countries. I think the 45 mil doses from PFE+MRNA is an ideal situation number? If 45 mil doses are produced does not mean that many are administered because of the rigorous need for cold chain. That is tough enough in developed countries but could be a nightmare in third world. A whole bunch of doses may spoil while sitting in a leaked cold facility or sitting on a tarmac on a hot day.[/QUOTE]From what I can see the Biontech / Pfizer vaccine will be manufactured in Belgium and be distributed in EU first and then UK. For the Moderna vaccine, the CEO has already said they will distribute to US first and then to EU. AstraZeneca vaccine is expected to have similar efficacy as the Moderna vaccine (95%) and it will be manufactured in UK and Italy. I believe the first people to get the vaccine will be healthcare workers, then elderly people and then the rest of the population. Government are buying more vaccine doses than they need, so it's unlikely there will be shortages. The storage temperature issue is only theoretical as there are special distribution processes already in place. The Ebola vaccine was distributed in some regions in Africa very efficiently, even if it had to be stored at -20 C. If everything goes well, we will be back hand-in-hand with our girls in FKK by next Spring.
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2503613]So the virus was in Italy already in last September?
As for now, it is from wuhan China by French built laboratory, so it is still originally the fault of China and France![/QUOTE]The first cases were observed in China in July and August 2019. Too slow to react!
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2503609]You said you go every weekend to Germany, Austria or Switzerland with your Manual Audi from Paris, you already forgot what you said before continuously?[/QUOTE]I'm not surprised, trolls usually expose themselves as liars sooner or later.
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You read my mind. Especially the ending part. Who among you thinks vaccines will be required for travel, entering FKK's? And who's going to get them if required?
[QUOTE=Gino02;2503666]The Russia Collusion accusation was proven to be a hoax. Now let's see if the Election Software rigging accusation is proven real or hoax. Time to sit back, relax and enjoy another show while we eagerly wait for the smart people to come to senses to reopen the FKKs so that we can again shoot our loads into the beautiful Romanian mouths.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;2503751]You read my mind. Especially the ending part. Who among you thinks vaccines will be required for travel, entering FKK's? And who's going to get them if required?[/QUOTE]I have no idea what is sure as soon as possible I will get the vaccine, for so many years I got so many vaccines one more or less will change nothing for me and if it can make my life easier why not.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2503661]Well, that's incorrect. There are no lockdown, nor any light lockdown. Even if they wanted to, which they don't, they can't legally do so. You have stop reading and believe everything that fake news writes.
The "former" strategy was working excellent, in fact almost every other country have copied that strategy.[/QUOTE]LE Monde is one of the most serious newspapers of the whole planet.
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2503609]You said you go every weekend to Germany, Austria or Switzerland with your Manual Audi from Paris, you already forgot what you said before continuously?[/QUOTE]Your problem is you don't understand English, like you don't know much about Romanian girls.
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[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;2503751]You read my mind. Especially the ending part. Who among you thinks vaccines will be required for travel, entering FKK's? And who's going to get them if required?[/QUOTE]I will certainly have no issue having the vaccine but it may take a few months until my age group is allowed to take it.
Initially for several months or possibly longer proof of having had the vaccine will be required to allow you to fly and avoid the pre COVID checks.
With regards to FKK land I would be totally amazed if the German authorities don't use as a prerequisite to reopening the need for men & women to provide evidence that a vaccine has been taken.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2503644]What are the vaccine plans in Europe and in each country? PFE / Biontech and MRNA have the most advanced vaccines but they can only make 45 mil doses (sufficient for 22-23 million people) by January. This is going to be a international political brawl? There was a press release from the companies that EU will be supplied out of the factories based in EU. I don't know if the above mentioned 45 mil doses by Jan includes both US and EU or just US. And in any case, that amount covers just a sliver of the population. Is it upto the companies to decide how many doses to supply to various countries or is there any protocol to this? I suppose by the end of 2021 or somewhere in 2022 there would be enough production to supply all, but the trick is what happens between now and then. There could be a lot of unpleasantness if say, cases spike in UK suddenly and politicians over there demand that their order be fulfilled but Biontech prioritizes supply to Germany for example.
Obviously Astra and other companies also have their own vaccines in development but I can see there would be some heated rhetoric on who gets the vaccine first in the coming months. Not to mention, there are 7 billion+ people in the world but for now the priority will go to those in US / EU unfortunately. There could be a big discussion of race / income / other ethics if it happens that cases are brought down sufficiently in the West and yet they keep administering vaccine to cover 70/80% of the population while say cases and deaths spike up uncontrollably in some poor, third world country. In such a scenario, there would be the inevitable discussion of "are those lives less important"?
I also don't know how much of a problem is the lack of cold chain in all these countries. I think the 45 mil doses from PFE+MRNA is an ideal situation number? If 45 mil doses are produced does not mean that many are administered because of the rigorous need for cold chain. That is tough enough in developed countries but could be a nightmare in third world. A whole bunch of doses may spoil while sitting in a leaked cold facility or sitting on a tarmac on a hot day.[/QUOTE]Moderna have French boss, but I won't even take Sanofi vaccine. I have my own test, my sports. Wish to go to free ride for Christmas at 3000 meters high, to test my heart and lungs from big shocks under violence of real sport. Would be my best present and I need it.
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[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;2503751]You read my mind. Especially the ending part. Who among you thinks vaccines will be required for travel, entering FKK's? And who's going to get them if required?[/QUOTE]If required for travel, vaccination process has to be somehow certifiable. I've been reading few months ago there could be international travel agreements between the countries. My wild guess is you'll have to register with a consulate web site and enter your passport info together with immunization history.
What scares me is roughly half of US population could ignore the vaccine. If virus still raging in the US while Europe gets it under control, we US mongers experience another setback of inadmissibility to European countries. Complete speculation but keeps me awake at night.
Each media report on vaccines goes along with visuals of 5 inch needles penetrating someone's shoulder. WTF! I don't see how this is helping in the right direction, most likely contributing to a needle anxiety in a large segment of population. My 2 cents.
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Aren't Swedish universities almost closed? When Stockholm competed with NYC for deaths rate, worst in Europe.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2503713]The first cases were observed in China in July and August 2019. Too slow to react![/QUOTE]Arrived in Western Europe in October 2019 after military sport competition in China. In Europe, doctors didn't know what it was, and Chinese lied for months.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2503761]LE Monde is one of the most serious newspapers of the whole planet.[/QUOTE]But obviously not the most accurate.
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When you seem so scared about this virus, and you are right if you are at health risk, like diabetes or obese or cancer or weak health, but you should also know there are risks about vaccines, furthermore when they were made rushing, becoming now a big business to come. I won't take these vaccines, even Chinese and Russian should not be allowed in France, being maybe more risky than virus, for me.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2503861]But obviously not the most accurate.[/QUOTE]So many inaccurate newspapers according to you.
[URL]https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.ft.com/content/67fc5152-d500-4b9e-ad5c-79e1bf2b68e2[/URL]
What should I read? Your Facebook page?
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2503817]Arrived in Western Europe in October 2019 after military sport competition in China. In Europe, doctors didn't know what it was, and Chinese lied for months.[/QUOTE]Also found in Northern Italy last Autumn, a retest of bloodwork taken at that time showed the virus was already circulating. [URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-italy-timing/coronavirus-emerged-in-italy-earlier-than-thought-italian-study-shows-idINKBN27V0KH[/URL].
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[QUOTE=Downandup;2503959]Also found in Northern Italy last Autumn, a retest of bloodwork taken at that time showed the virus was already circulating. [URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-italy-timing/coronavirus-emerged-in-italy-earlier-than-thought-italian-study-shows-idINKBN27V0KH[/URL].[/QUOTE]Italy is in Western Europe for me, even also Southern. At this time, nobody knew about this virus, our doctors thinking about grippe, but Chinese knew but didn't give information about this killer virus which probably killed much more than they claim in China, land of truth and reliability.
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Libtards managing Coronavirus?
I don't usually read MSM anymore, but even NYT couldn't stay silent on how hypocrite the libtards are becoming (obviously right media is even more vocal about these):
For California Governor the Coronavirus Message Is Do as I Say, Not as I Dine.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/18/us/newsom-california-covid-french-laundry.html[/URL]
And some morons here were giving credits to these libtards, and even voted for them. Oh well, you can't fix a stubborn stupid.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2503935]So many inaccurate newspapers according to you.
[URL]https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.ft.com/content/67fc5152-d500-4b9e-ad5c-79e1bf2b68e2[/URL]
What should I read? Your Facebook page?[/QUOTE]Are you for real? Why would you send a Swede links to American newspapers? What could they possibly write about the situation in Sweden that I don't already know? Americans are known for being arrogant and out of touch with the world outside of the US, but this really took the prize. As sending links to US media wasn't bad enough, one of the links contains nothing but an opinion piece.
Read Swedish newspapers or talk to people that live in Sweden and speak Swedish. I got first hand information, what you read is third hand information. And it isn't news, as much as it's their subjective opinions.
You either suffer from laziness and confirmation bias or are so brainwashed that you rather read third hand information from some foreigner than hear the truth from actual Swedes.
When I want information about another country I don't focus on what Swedish newspapers has to say, I read the local news and, if possible, speak to the locals.
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Some CDC death rate info
The gross death rate in the USA is 867.8 per 100,000, about 7,650 per day. It states the current toll attributed to COVID is 231,197 as at last week, and this means about 9% of deaths. If causation is believed. Influenza recorded deaths has roughly quadrupled in 2020, so let's assume it is broadly accurate.
What is not stated in the popular media is that 81% of deaths are people over 65. Most are white. Black folks constitute about 13% of the USA Population but suffered 23% of all COVID deaths.
Besides some equality issues implicit in this, COVID is all about boomers and old folks overwhelming the hospitals.
Lastly, good health, exercise, and regular fasting and food can drastically improve peoples lives. A lot of deaths are lifestyle disease. 36% is heart and diabetes and cancer another 28%. Diet is strongly correlated with these, and fat is not the problem. Insulin and obesity are the culprits, and that is mostly caused by starch and sugars. Last night I went to a supermarket. If you subtract the outer meat, dairy and fruit / vegetable sections, the other core aisles is 85% is pure crap. There should be a International Mongers Association (IMA) symbol showing a flaccid penis caused by eating this shit and / or too much of it.
Vascular problems impact the ability to have and keep a hard on for WG's to skillfully relieve that we so greatly cherish. So use this time to lift, run, slim down and get ready to ravish some youthful beauty 2021.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2504050]I don't usually read MSM anymore, but even NYT couldn't stay silent on how hypocrite the libtards are becoming (obviously right media is even more vocal about these):
For California Governor the Coronavirus Message Is Do as I Say, Not as I Dine.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/18/us/newsom-california-covid-french-laundry.html[/URL]
And some morons here were giving credits to these libtards, and even voted for them. Oh well, you can't fix a stubborn stupid.[/QUOTE]Trump infected a couple of dozen at his ACB party including himself, stripper Mel, his son, fat Christie, and a bunch more. What kinda tard is he? Losertard? Thieftard for his numerous attempts to stall the certification and steal the election. As usual he is fucking incompetent at even stealing the election.
That said, CA Dems are in a special league of their own socialist bubble, so I agree with you there.
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People who are so hard left or hard right as to attach their identity to a political ideology must be living quite a sorry existence void of actual individuality.
Imagine being so attached to one ideology that you end up just dehumanizing entire groups of people and becoming the mirror image of all the things you dislike about them.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2504071]When I want information about another country I don't focus on what Swedish newspapers has to say, I read the local news and, if possible, speak to the locals.[/QUOTE]What you say makes totally sense. Back in the days, when I wanted true information's about what was happening in USSR, I used to read "La Pravda". And my grandfather was a subscriber to "Volkischer Beobachter". This way he had first hand intel about Germany!
Is lobotomy mandatory in Sweden or just for ISG trolls?
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Nice pitch. Thanks for the additional pep talk.
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2504086]The gross death rate in the USA is 867.8 per 100,000, about 7,650 per day. It states the current toll attributed to COVID is 231,197 as at last week, and this means about 9% of deaths. If causation is believed. Influenza recorded deaths has roughly quadrupled in 2020, so let's assume it is broadly accurate.
What is not stated in the popular media is that 81% of deaths are people over 65. Most are white. Black folks constitute about 13% of the USA Population but suffered 23% of all COVID deaths.
Besides some equality issues implicit in this, COVID is all about boomers and folks overwhelming the hospitals.
Lastly, good health, exercise, and regular fasting and food can drastically improve peoples lives. A lot of deaths are lifestyle disease. 36% is heart and diabetes and cancer another 28%. Diet is strongly correlated with these, and fat is not the problem. Insulin and obesity are the culprits, and that is mostly caused by starch and sugars. Last night I went to a supermarket. If you subtract the outer meat, dairy and fruit / vegetable sections, the other core aisles is 85% is pure crap. There should be a International Mongers Association (IMA) symbol showing a flaccid caused by eating this shit and / or too much of it.
Vascular problems impact the ability to have and keep a hard on for WG's to skillfully relieve that we so greatly cherish. So use this time to lift, run, slim down and get ready to ravish some youthful beauty 2021.[/QUOTE]
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This post is an indication how blank the nerves are. I don't think though it is justified to insult other community members. I really take issue.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2504071]Are you for real? Why would you send a Swede links to American newspapers? What could they possibly write about the situation in Sweden that I don't already know? Americans are known for being arrogant and out of touch with the world outside of the US, but this really took the prize. As sending links to US media wasn't bad enough, one of the links contains nothing but an opinion piece.
Read Swedish newspapers or talk to people that live in Sweden and speak Swedish. I got first hand information, what you read is third hand information. And it isn't news, as much as it's their subjective opinions.
You either suffer from laziness and confirmation bias or are so brainwashed that you rather read third hand information from some foreigner than hear the truth from actual Swedes.
When I want information about another country I don't focus on what Swedish newspapers has to say, I read the local news and, if possible, speak to the locals.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2503713]The first cases were observed in China in July and August 2019. Too slow to react![/QUOTE]CCP hide it, even tried to arrest first doctor who reported the virus!
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2504106]Trump infected a couple of dozen at his ACB party including himself, stripper Mel, his son, fat Christie, and a bunch more. What kinda tard is he? Losertard? Thieftard for his numerous attempts to stall the certification and steal the election. As usual he is fucking incompetent at even stealing the election.
That said, CA Dems are in a special league of their own socialist bubble, so I agree with you there.[/QUOTE]Trump might have done some favor by infecting those you mentioned, now that they have the anti-body / T-cells (read this: [URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/11/17/coronavirus-immunity-may-last-years-possibly-even-decades-study-suggests/[/URL]). And time will tell who is trying to steal the election from whom, let's just sit back, relax and enjoy the drama LOL.
Thanks for agreeing on the CA Dems; the best & brightest of them is leading the whole pack of Dems in the US House, another one is wannabe VPOTUS that's expert in lying and selling her pussy to get whatever she want (exactly like our Romanian FKK tutes) and another bright one was instrumental in bringing the great movie of How to Fail in Fake Impeaching Trump, remember? And then you have full crazies like AOC. So now you get it why I think the whole Dem party is not only scam, the people who vote for them are stupid libtards who don't even understand what's good for them?
BTW, thank you for a relatively civil conversation. Appreciate it.
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PLEASE! Girls, lets move on.
So much bitchiness, cattiness and name calling going on. These arguments have no ending. We give womens' knitting groups a bad name.
First principles: great health, food and freedom, strong erections and desire for beautiful young women and all ways and means to achieve that end. Left, right, black, white, yellow, purple, rich or poor, the real joy is the skin and warmth of a beautiful and lush woman and passionate, joyful sex as a celebration of life itself. That is a big deal on the short span we live and core purpose of this board.
COVID has disrupted this, but it looks like sex prison is coming to an end. I think my first will be a teen anal in mish, then a FFM, and I think I want to take a girl on skis on the mountain and think of her post coital pussy on the ride down. Maybe a spa, then a good night BJ (naturally one in the morning). What are some of the other plans here? Mursenary has excellent taste. See'Mon., lets hear some inspiration and red blooded male lust of post COVID 2021 !
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2504144]Is lobotomy mandatory in Sweden or just for ISG trolls?[/QUOTE]I find myself thinking, what kind of a Non-American living in Sweden would take it upon himself to become familiarized with so much of the gossip news in the US. His knowledge of impertinent tidbits like an American news anchor having a tussle over an Italian-American pejorative, in combination with his passion towards the American political dichotomy makes me wonder the veracity of his claimed citizenship and locale.
It's clear to most here that the contents of his posts are ill-conceived and only superficially and selectively "researched" having the aim to push a monospective (sic) worldview. His postings are very inconsistent with my experiences with western people who have an intercontinental life experience.
What Swede would bother to invest so much thought on American political drama. His posts have American conservative Jingoism written all over them.
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2504233]So much bitchiness, cattiness and name calling going on. These arguments have no ending. We give womens' knitting groups a bad name.[/QUOTE]This thread was renamed by the mods as "Rants and WTF are you talking about. " It seems that they have been more liberal with the posts that they let through here while maintaining higher standards in the other threads as you may have seen with the moderating of Ho's recent manic posting episode in the Lounge thread.
Perhaps you'll have a better experience over at one of those other threads. This thread here, it's the hood.
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2504206]CCP hide it, even tried to arrest first doctor who reported the virus![/QUOTE]France built the virus plant in Wuhan, China, and CCP hide the truth when pandemic happened, so literally it is the fault of France and CCP!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2504253]I find myself thinking, what kind of a Non-American living in Sweden would take it upon himself to become familiarized with so much of the gossip news in the US. His knowledge of impertinent tidbits like an American news anchor having a tussle over an Italian-American pejorative, in combination with his passion towards the American political dichotomy makes me wonder the veracity of his claimed citizenship and locale.
It's clear to most here that the contents of his posts are ill-conceived and only superficially and selectively "researched" having the aim to push a monospective (sic) worldview. His postings are very inconsistent with my experiences with western people who have an intercontinental life experience.
What Swede would bother to invest so much thought on American political drama. His posts have American conservative Jingoism written all over them.[/QUOTE]It's interesting that you read and analyze my posts so carefully, yet you missed the part where I wrote that I've lived in the US for several years. Maybe, just maybe, that could partly explain my interest and knowledge of US politics. I find it much more fascinating that people that don't speak Swedish and never even been to Sweden suddenly consider themselves to be experts on Sweden because they read some opinion piece from some liberal propagandist that of course never set a foot in Sweden.
Your little buddy claimed that Sweden had a "light lockdown", which of course are factually incorrect. I know that because I've my boots on the ground. Any normal, reasonable person would backdown and realize that his sources are wrong, instead your little buddy decided to compare Swedish media to Pravda and Nazi media.
I've got two questions for you:
1. How comes that a self proclaimed physician has all this time to spend on ISG during a pandemic?
2. Have you ever mongered? Do you have any proof that you've even been to Germany?
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Is Belgium still doing this?
Sorry this is a bit late, still funny eh?
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2504367]Your little buddy claimed that Sweden had a "light lockdown", which of course are factually incorrect. I know that because I've my boots on the ground. Any normal, reasonable person would backdown and realize that his sources are wrong, instead your little buddy decided to compare Swedish media to Pravda and Nazi media.[/QUOTE]I'm just following your logic troll. You're the one who said that local newspapers know better, I just showed you some counter examples.
[URL]https://www.krisinformation.se/en/news/2020/november/stricter-general-recommendations-in-jamtland-county[/URL]
Is this source more adequate for you? Seems like they're strongly discouraging people from gathering together and pushing for everyone to work at home. Sounds like the herd immunity strategy that you were bragging about is not working so well. "stricter recommendations", isn't it some kind of light lockdown?
And the two following ones, are they deep fakes from some Joe Biden's cock sucking leftwing commie liberal media?
[URL]https://www.euronews.com/2020/11/11/coronavirus-sweden-to-ban-sale-of-alcohol-after-10pm-to-curb-virus-spread[/URL]
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-lofven/swedish-pm-warns-pandemic-respite-over-as-deaths-start-rising-idUKKBN27J1SZ[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2504216]And then you have full crazies like AOC.[/QUOTE]Hmmm. AOC is for full legalization and decriminalization of commercial sex. If I was in her district, I would vote for her.
If she was a WG, I might bang her in all three holes. She looks nerdy wearing glasses. I am curious what others think about her.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2504367]It's interesting that you read and analyze my posts so carefully, yet you missed the part where I wrote that I've lived in the US for several years. Maybe, just maybe, that could partly explain my interest and knowledge of US politics. I find it much more fascinating that people that don't speak Swedish and never even been to Sweden suddenly consider themselves to be experts on Sweden because they read some opinion piece from some liberal propagandist that of course never set a foot in Sweden.
Your little buddy claimed that Sweden had a "light lockdown", which of course are factually incorrect. I know that because I've my boots on the ground. Any normal, reasonable person would backdown and realize that his sources are wrong, instead your little buddy decided to compare Swedish media to Pravda and Nazi media.
I've got two questions for you:
1. How comes that a self proclaimed physician has all this time to spend on ISG during a pandemic?
2. Have you ever mongered? Do you have any proof that you've even been to Germany?[/QUOTE]1. Nightshift doldrums and the wonderful ICU nurses, respiratory therapists, and patient care techs that deserve so much more credit for the work they do while I write orders from my computer. The periodic crashing patient and 3 am patient admission requiring intubation do keeps things interesting.
I will add that it's quite interesting that people are quick to cast doubt on another's occupation due to perceived prestige. Definitely some insecurities going on here. I've even made it a point as to not even utter direct phrases like, "I am a physician" or silly little boasts like, "My profession is noble", yada yada yada, as to not tap into these insecurities. A decent human wouldn't really care. One of the cooler dudes I've met in an FKK was an ice machine repairman visiting from Boston. Dude was so much more interesting than the fly-through businessmen who place their self worth on their salary. It's a gross way to look at life and other humans to be honest.
2. Yes.
Enclosed are some nice PG-non-WG pictures of the outdoor areas of some clubs as to maybe stir up some fond memories. Sharks and Oase gardens are pretty in the winter snow. Views from an August day from Welcum's garden is breathtaking.
Bonus: I've only spoken a handful of times about the Swedish covid approach and don't entirely reject their methods. I do have skepticism about the way you portray current life in Sweden as even the Swedish publications suggest that the populace has accepted many of the mitigation efforts. Easily verifiable data and policies such as 90% decrease in domestic travel, reduction in public transport use, limits on crowd size, secondary school and universities practicing study-from-home are all observations that suggests that most Swedes take this covid threat a bit more serious than the likes of Shoe and HammerTime. All of this is to actually give credit to Swedes and their ability to be responsible without extreme lock down measures mandated by the government. But it does seem that the picture that you paint of current Swedish society during covid is incongruent with the data.
BTW, so did any of the other European guys even have a clue as to what Shoe was speaking about when he referenced Fredo Cuomo? Do you guys even know who Chris Cuomo is? I don't think he regularly appears on CNN International, just a nightly entertainment-news host on CNN domestic.
I hear Stockholm, Wisconsin is nice. Gothengurg, Nebraska has produced a few American football players. Maybe Torsby, Alabama is more up Shoe's political preference.
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BTW, so did any of the other European guys even have a clue as to what Shoe was speaking about when he referenced Fredo Cuomo? Do you guys even know who Chris Cuomo is? I don't think he regularly appears on CNN International, just a nightly entertainment-news host on CNN domestic.
[/QUOTE]I probably spend more time in the US every year than even the most hardcore US mongers would spend in Germany.
I know there's a Cuomo that's a famous politican from New York. I'd have to check Google to confirm if he's the governor but I think so. Other Cuome I wouldn't know about. I would say it's highly unusal if Europeans know anyone who isn't on the major talkshows that are on TV over here. Or of course is known from Hollywood.
It's similar to that I'd be suspicious of unknowns on the internet claiming to be Europeans but could discuss NFL or baseball like a native. Even guys who are interested in sports would be hard pressed to come up with the names of more than 10 teams. Any known player would because they're famous for something else. Like Tom Brady but I'm not sure even him would be a household name. For the sake of this answer I tried to come up with quarterback names but I could only think of a handful. Other players, not so much. This is no slight, it's just that it's not anything we bother with. I've been to a couple of games with American hosts but it's alien to me (and almost any European).
That said, I do think Shobre is from Sweden because that ghetto name isn't in the dictionaries. Maybe he's from an Arab area in the US but I think he's from one of the Stockholm ghettos such as Rinkeby or Alby. Everytime I visit Berlin there are groups of young MENA men onboard who are headed for Artemis. I have seen use him a ghetto insult in Swedish too.
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Yes of course we are too stupid to know the Cuomo brothers. We can also watch CNN (strong democrats supporters) or Fox (Trump supporters) available for free. I really appreciate the American people, worked with them several years and it was a great pleasure, the things are straight forward, clear like working with German people. You should not trying to segregate US and Europe never forget that 90% if not more of the Americans are coming from Europe, just check where your grand parents are from.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2504383]I'm just following your logic troll. You're the one who said that local newspapers know better, I just showed you some counter examples.
[URL]https://www.krisinformation.se/en/news/2020/november/stricter-general-recommendations-in-jamtland-county[/URL]
Is this source more adequate for you? Seems like they're strongly discouraging people from gathering together and pushing for everyone to work at home. Sounds like the herd immunity strategy that you were bragging about is not working so well. "stricter recommendations", isn't it some kind of light lockdown?
And the two following ones, are they deep fakes from some Joe Biden's cock sucking leftwing commie liberal media?
[URL]https://www.euronews.com/2020/11/11/coronavirus-sweden-to-ban-sale-of-alcohol-after-10pm-to-curb-virus-spread[/URL]
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-lofven/swedish-pm-warns-pandemic-respite-over-as-deaths-start-rising-idUKKBN27J1SZ[/URL][/QUOTE]It's absolutely not a "light lockdown", unless the definition of a lockdown changed drastically the last couple of days.
Have you heard the expression making a mountain out of a molehill? People have been working from home since mid March and the recommendations that you're talking about was put in place for most parts of the country in March. But cool that you just noticed it.
It's still possible to move freely, all malls, restaurants, shops, massage parlors and gyms are still opened. There are no lockdowns, there's no difference between now and March / April. The restaurants are still packed of people, probably even more so than in March. So your false claim that Sweden changed its strategy is incorrect. Or well, the nursing homes allows visitors now. More importantly, no lockdown! Still open for business!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2504408]BTW, so did any of the other European guys even have a clue as to what Shoe was speaking about when he referenced Fredo Cuomo?[/QUOTE]It was likely in reference to The Godfather Part II. Presumably Andrew and Chris instead of Michael and Fredo.
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Interesting to read in a FKK Germany forum so much about USA Politics (and football, people writing about the GOAT, and for the record I am neither a Pats nor Bucs fan).
I want a new party in the US. Can we have a socially liberal party with conservative economics? Then we can start out own FKK's and don't have to spend money outside the US anymore. Switzerland is probably the closest to it. FKK's, business friendly and low taxes.
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[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2504394]Hmmm. AOC is for full legalization and decriminalization of commercial sex. If I was in her district, I would vote for her.
If she was a WG, I might bang her in all three holes. She looks nerdy wearing glasses. I am curious what others think about her.[/QUOTE]AOC does get it right on sex work. I disagree with her on everything else, but she does totally get it on sex work, even drilling down into the evils of Fosta / Sesta.
[URL]https://nypost.com/2020/02/15/aoc-kicks-off-reelection-campaign-in-queens-touts-ambitious-goals/[/URL]
Kamala Harris is the one to be concerned about, given her past record.
[URL]https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/kamala-harris-sex-workers-joe-biden-vice-president-1043941/[/URL]
[URL]https://reason.com/2019/04/23/harris-clarifies-that-she-does-not-support-prostitution-decriminalization-would-use-executive-power-to-toughen-gun-laws-reason-roundup/[/URL]
The mainstream media is simply incapable of having a reasonable discussion regarding sex work.
Kamala supports the Nordic Model, not decriminalization, although you wouldn't know it from her years as California Attorney General, where she went after women doing street prostitution and low-cost classified advertising, and was an immediate architect of Fosta / Sesta upon entering the USA Senate.
Kamala has no substance and merely blows with the wind. Consequently, it is possible that the left wing women supporting full decriminalization will have some sway with her, particularly if the prevailing attitudes of the country go that direction. When she was California Attorney General, the trafficking myth folks (beware of that Super Bowl) were out in force. So it is simply a matter of who has her ear on the subject, since her apparent lack of brainpower makes it difficult for her to make a decision based on competing data.
Her boss, Mr. Biden, simply does not comment or answer questions on the subject. It would seem that in 40 or so years as a lawmaker, it has not come up, nor has he ever given any thought about it.
It is unclear if the Nordic Model would, or would not, be an improvement in the United States. It was simply irrelevant in Canada, although it simply replaced an already bizarre system and largely where outcall was legal as long as none of the elements were observable, but incall was illegal under all circumstances. Participants of an outcall transaction were entitled to Privacy under a court decision somewhat similar to the USA 's Roe v. Wade, but the decision did not extend to incall. When a later court declared that decision too stupid to persist, they forced legislators to act and Canada got the Nordic Model, and a rational decision by the police departments in Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver to sweep it under the rug with a Prioritization Policy.
I don't trust USA Legislators to do any better, so I like the Biden approach of Don't Want to Talk About It, Never Even Thought About It, rather than anything Kamala would propose.
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[QUOTE=Martin39;2504445]Interesting to read in a FKK Germany forum so much about USA Politics (and football, people writing about the GOAT, and for the record I am neither a Pats nor Bucs fan).
I want a new party in the US. Can we have a socially liberal party with conservative economics? Then we can start out own FKK's and don't have to spend money outside the US anymore. Switzerland is probably the closest to it. FKK's, business friendly and low taxes.[/QUOTE]If you look at the 4 quadrants: fiscal hawk social liberal, fiscal dove social liberal, fiscal dove social conservative, fiscal hawk social conservative, the one with the least popularity is the first I. E. Fiscal hawk social liberal.
Bloomberg got trashed despite spending hundreds of millions of own money. Almost all the politicians with similar bent are phasing out. Kasich, Romney, Meg Whitman, Clintons, etc.
FT had a really good oped a few months ago. Their take was that if Trump had not been a traditional fiscal conservative guy when it came to policies / actions but had gone full bore on economic populism (renamed Obamacare as Trumpcare and expanded it; do a large infra project with roadworks etc, spend money on other nation building stuff), he would have been elected easy. He came within a whisker of winning anyway despite Covid mismanagement and being the traditional GOP guy on fiscal issues. Or if Bernie had not been so socially liberal on immigration and race, he could have won (he still won a bunch of people who voted for him in primaries and for Trump in general).
Being fiscally conservative socially liberal works for the upper middle, educated classes in NYC / SF and Boston. The lower middle class White voters on the coasts and people in the flyover country did not benefit from the Reagan economics of trickle down. They are there for picking by the fiscal dove, socially conservative pol at some point.
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First of all, the days of glamorous doctor are largely passé. Let us ignore the pomposity of oh I am so cool, I mix with the common folk and deign to speak to the repairman crap. In all likelihood, the unionized plumber, electrician etc is charging 125 to 150 an hour while some of the familycare guys are collecting such feeble amounts after the payment companies squeeze them so badly. For some specific personal reasons, a large % of the social gatherings / parties I attend with my spouse happen to be predominantly w / physician friends and families (second most, after those w / my own company folks / friends). The most common topics of discussion are (a) money and where / what they are investing (b) bitching about work: hours, patients, insurance, how physicians are slowly losing ground to the riff raff (c) some random clinical cases / diagnosis (naturally, I tune out of this discussion and drift away to another small group that is now starting to talk more general stuff by this time) (d) the quarter-marathon they have run, the golf club they have joined or some other expensive toy they bought of late (half of them are now pushing 50). I have seen more blatant bragging about wealth and the trappings of wealth at these gatherings than when I used to work in NYC / Boston areas a while ago where some guys were truly super wealthy but they really kept that side of themselves completely private.
Very few of these physician friends have any holier than thou, I am doing noble work crappy attitude to them. As always, his fullness is full of it. I have seen / heard humongous amounts of bitching about NPs and PAs and how administrators are slowly undercutting them using these ("why don't they go to medical school" type bitching is heard commonly). Most of them are tired and none seem to be the type that sit down with a mobile in hand typing up random dissertations with numbers, stats, trials, pharma molecules blah blah 24/7. I hear tons of clinical / diagnosis discussions at these gatherings, hardly any about theoretical research topics. None would agree to type up a hundred Covid messages and / or Sweden v US v some other nation pros / cons, if offered money.
So, that is my personal experience. And no, none of them think they are such hot shit that others in society are insecure around them. They know they are not. So, when some dude who is not X says he is X and claims everyone is jealous because he is X, well it all seems a bit too much.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2504460]If you look at the 4 quadrants: fiscal hawk social liberal, fiscal dove social liberal, fiscal dove social conservative, fiscal hawk social conservative, the one with the least popularity. ... Being fiscally conservative socially liberal works for the upper middle, educated classes in NYC / SF and Boston. The lower middle class White voters on the coasts and people in the flyover country did not benefit from the Reagan economics of trickle down. They are there for picking by the fiscal dove, socially conservative pol at some point.[/QUOTE]I agree. Social conservativism gives people something to have when it comes to identity politics.
In rural America, this often centers around church, which rails against abortion.
They believe, with some accuracy, that the government just prints money and hands it out to everyone but them.
So fiscal dove, social conservative appeals to a lot of Americans, especially in rural America where guns are popular.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2504431]That said, I do think Shobre is from Sweden because that ghetto name isn't in the dictionaries. Maybe he's from an Arab area in the US but I think he's from one of the Stockholm ghettos such as Rinkeby or Alby. Everytime I visit Berlin there are groups of young MENA men onboard who are headed for Artemis. I have seen use him a ghetto insult in Swedish too.[/QUOTE]I think you may be correct. Like here in the USA, people of lower socioeconomic means are the ones that are much more care-free regarding their actions on this pandemic. Some must work because of the nature of their jobs, but at non-essential late night social venues, the people out and about are generally more of the riff raff. Even amongst the young 20 something year olds, the more well-to-do ones are not out at these venues as much as the rougher crowds.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2504436]Yes of course we are too stupid to know the Cuomo brothers. We can also watch CNN (strong democrats supporters) or Fox (Trump supporters) available for free. I really appreciate the American people, worked with them several years and it was a great pleasure, the things are straight forward, clear like working with German people. You should not trying to segregate US and Europe never forget that 90% if not more of the Americans are coming from Europe, just check where your grand parents are from.[/QUOTE]You misunderstand. It was not an insult to Europeans. It was a remark that most Europeans do not follow the tabloid drama of barely relevant American news anchors.
90% is absolutely too high. Europeans descendants probably make up roughly 60-65% of America with some grey areas due to the mixed genetic make up of South and Central American immigrants. African lineage about 13%. South and Central Americans about another 15%. Asians about 5%. 5% from other backgrounds.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2504438]It's absolutely not a "light lockdown", unless the definition of a lockdown changed drastically the last couple of days.
It's still possible to move freely, all malls, restaurants, shops, massage parlors and gyms are still opened. There are no lockdowns, there's no difference between now and March / April. The restaurants are still packed of people, probably even more so than in March. So your false claim that Sweden changed its strategy is incorrect. Or well, the nursing homes allows visitors now. More importantly, no lockdown! Still open for business![/QUOTE]Point is that there are some mandated restrictions and in practice, the population are acting responsibly and the virus factors into the average Swede's decisions on level of physical distancing. Voluntarily but similar effect nonetheless.
Yes, "Lock down" should be better defined.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2504482]First of all, the days of glamorous doctor are largely pass. Let us ignore the pomposity of oh I am so cool, I mix with the common folk and deign to speak to the repairman crap. In all likelihood, the unionized plumber, electrician etc is charging 125 to 150 an hour while some of the familycare guys are collecting such feeble amounts after the payment companies squeeze them so badly. For some specific personal reasons, a large % of the social gatherings / parties I attend with my spouse happen to be predominantly w / physician friends and fa.[/QUOTE]You're like a squealing greased pig, sprinting around from point to point while rolling in the mud. The term "perceived prestige" is referring directly to thought processes such as yours. In an attempt to make personal jabs, you are the primary perpetuator of this phenomenon. In an attempt to discredit me, someone who, of all things boastful, has never boasted about occupational prestige, you reveal your own personal sentiments of both perceived prestige and apparently personal disdain regarding the profession. There seems to be a fabricated recollection of events in your mind regarding my own personal boasting of occupation as I surely doubt that you can produce anything of the sort in the record.
Your impression of the occupation seems to also be very limited. As most physicians in the US have a molecular biology undergraduate background, most are easily capable of speaking eloquently regarding matters of hard science, some moreso than others. The occupation is also quite diverse in settings and personalities as there will be a broad spectrum of personalities and science focus from primary clinicians, to radiologist, orthopedic surgeons, emergency physicians, and the basement dwelling pathologists. And goes without saying, people within those specialties are also diverse individuals.
Your arrogance in insulting more blue collar workers and even respectable researchers reinforce such simple views towards other people. Now insulting mid level practitioners too, your worldview is disgusting. You seem to be a man of limited social interaction with little exposure to diverse socio-economic demographics. There seems to be a tendency to put people in boxes that is just not consistent with reality. But I'll directly ask, South Asian or just another dorky white dude?
Lastly Boomer, I'm quick with the phone. Being a Millennial and all.
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[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2504448]AOC does get it right on sex work. I disagree with her on everything else, but she does totally get it on sex work, even drilling down into the evils of Fosta / Sesta.
[URL]https://nypost.com/2020/02/15/aoc-kicks-off-reelection-campaign-in-queens-touts-ambitious-goals/[/URL]
Kamala Harris is the one to be concerned about, given her past record.
[URL]https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/kamala-harris-sex-workers-joe-biden-vice-president-1043941/[/URL]
[URL]https://reason.com/2019/04/23/harris-clarifies-that-she-does-not-support-prostitution-decriminalization-would-use-executive-power-to-toughen-gun-laws-reason-roundup/[/URL]
The mainstream media is simply incapable of having a reasonable discussion regarding sex work.
Kamala supports the Nordic Model, not decriminalization, although you wouldn't know it from her years as California Attorney General, where she went after women doing street prostitution and low-cost classified advertising, and was an immediate architect of Fosta / Sesta upon entering the USA Senate.
Kamala has no substance and merely blows with the wind. Consequently, it is possible that the left wing women supporting full decriminalization will have some sway with her, particularly if the prevailing attitudes of the country go that direction. When she was California Attorney General, the trafficking myth folks (beware of that Super Bowl) were out in force. So it is simply a matter of who has her ear on the subject, since her apparent lack of brainpower makes it difficult for her to make a decision based on competing data..[/QUOTE]The squad is irrelevant. If Dems had any sense, they would ignore them. Pols who come ultra safe districts / states are always useless. The tend to be the most extreme and just fuck it up for everyone else.
As far as views on legalizing prostitution go, what is the upside to any politician? Especially a pol gunning for nationwide or even statewide election? It will hardly pull in any new votes and will only turn off some / many. Even if they have a constructive view, they would keep quiet. Should. I would, if I were running for office.
It is one of those issues which is best swept under the rug. Don't know if it is the third rail, but there is extremely minimal upside. Not today. If this changes in 40 years from now remains to be seen and by that time I could be dead or might not care anyway.
We had some discussion about strip clubs a few months ago and the consensus was that they have gone down the hill, became more seedy, have worse service, more hands off. The same attitude permeates all of the paid sex scene in the public domain. Ironically, even as every single politician and churchman all the way to POTUS and pants down Falwell have been literally caught with their dicks in some girl's mouth, the political climate has not changed very much in favor of such legalization. I am no expert, far from it, but that is my layman's read. The best one can hope for is that they will let the sugarbabe type stuff alone, as it is really not that different from consensual sex between adults except there may be some quiet exchange of gifts in addition to body fluids.
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Vouchers
Let Biden hand out $100 restaurant and $200 hooker vouchers. I like much of what AOC says, making the books more balanced rather than leaving money on the table. And if she's wants to decriminalize the hobby, she got my vote, plus she is smart and young. We need more of them and less flaccid old white guys. Sex is great to bond people, create empathy and get money circulating at the low level. And yes, AOC is hot, but I'm more interested in her ideas and brains.
Next year is going to be a sex extravaganza!
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A pizza worker's lie forced an Australian state of 1.7 million people into lockdown
[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/20/australia/south-australia-pizza-bar-lockdown-intl/index.html[/URL]
Is this an example of a garbage input (I mean the lies) produces garbage output (meaning stupid orders) if the software (meaning the brain of that decision maker) is missing data validation filter (meaning sanity), or missing logic (meaning brain cells LOL)?
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2504529]Let Biden hand out $100 restaurant and $200 hooker vouchers. I like much of what AOC says, making the books more balanced rather than leaving money on the table. And if she's wants to decriminalize the hobby, she got my vote, plus she is smart and young. We need more of them and less flaccid old white guys. Sex is great to bond people, create empathy and get money circulating at the low level. And yes, AOC is hot, but I'm more interested in her ideas and brains.
Next year is going to be a sex extravaganza![/QUOTE]Wait, wait a minute. AOC is hot? I always thought AOC was the crazy horse face with bug eyes? I wouldn't spend 50€ on her.
Regarding her being "smart", wasn't she a bartender?
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2504438]It's still possible to move freely, all malls, restaurants, shops, massage parlors and gyms are still opened.[/QUOTE]Possible but really discouraged: [URL]https://www.krisinformation.se/en/hazards-and-risks/disasters-and-incidents/2020/official-information-on-the-new-coronavirus/regional-guidelines-and-restrictions/stockholm-county[/URL].
What did your PM say? He said that:
[QUOTE]"This is the new norm for the entire society," Lofven told a news conference. "Don't go to gyms, don't go to libraries, don't host dinners. Cancel."[/QUOTE]Source: [URL]https://news.trust.org/item/20201116135516-ilta9/[/URL].
Is Reuters a fake news media?
[QUOTE]There are no lockdowns, there's no difference between now and March / April. The restaurants are still packed of people, probably even more so than in March.[/QUOTE]Not so packed without big tables and no alcohol after 10 pm.
[QUOTE]Restaurants will stay open, with a maximum of eight diners for each table, as will schools....Last week the government announced that bars and restaurants would not be allowed to serve alcohol after 10pm from 20 November until the end of February.[/QUOTE]Source: [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/16/sweden-limits-public-gatherings-to-eight-people-amid-covid-surge[/URL].
[QUOTE] So your false claim that Sweden changed its strategy is incorrect.[/QUOTE]How do you call this?
[QUOTE]Decision on stricter general recommendations in Kronoberg and Södermanland County
Local visiting bans possible for retirement homes
The Government: Ban on serving alcohol after 10 pm
The government proposes further restrictions on public assembly. Starting on 24 November, for a four-week period, only eight people may attend general gatherings and public activities.[/QUOTE]Source: [URL]https://www.krisinformation.se/en/news[/URL].
Just new guidelines?
[QUOTE]Or well, the nursing homes allows visitors now.[/QUOTE]Not so much it seems.
Thank you BolsoTrump, it was a pleasure talking to you.
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2504529]Let Biden hand out $100 restaurant and $200 hooker vouchers. I like much of what AOC says, making the books more balanced rather than leaving money on the table. And if she's wants to decriminalize the hobby, she got my vote, plus she is smart and young. We need more of them and less flaccid old white guys. Sex is great to bond people, create empathy and get money circulating at the low level. And yes, AOC is hot, but I'm more interested in her ideas and brains.
Next year is going to be a sex extravaganza![/QUOTE]Your country needs younger politicans in general. Trump, Biden, Sanders and the others are all north of 70.
I guess the future really is non-white women such as AOC or Harris. I make no judgment on that, it's what the change of the American people dictates.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2504460]If you look at the 4 quadrants: fiscal hawk social liberal, fiscal dove social liberal, fiscal dove social conservative, fiscal hawk social conservative, the one with the least popularity is the first I. E. Fiscal hawk social liberal.
Bloomberg got trashed despite spending hundreds of millions of own money. Almost all the politicians with similar bent are phasing out. Kasich, Romney, Meg Whitman, Clintons, etc.
FT had a really good oped a few months ago. Their take was that if Trump had not been a traditional fiscal conservative guy when it came to policies / actions but had gone full bore on economic populism (renamed Obamacare as Trumpcare and expanded it; do a large infra project with roadworks etc, spend money on other nation building stuff), he would have been elected easy. He came within a whisker of winning anyway despite Covid mismanagement and being the traditional GOP guy on fiscal issues. Or if Bernie had not been so socially liberal on immigration and race, he could have won (he still won a bunch of people who voted for him in primaries and for Trump in general).
Being fiscally conservative socially liberal works for the upper middle, educated classes in NYC / SF and Boston. The lower middle class White voters on the coasts and people in the flyover country did not benefit from the Reagan economics of trickle down. They are there for picking by the fiscal dove, socially conservative pol at some point.[/QUOTE]I fully agree with you and I am aware my view is a minority and politicians (you named a couple on both sides) are getting extinct. Lower middle class did get slammed by globalization and even middle class jobs are not as safe as they used to be. Don't want to imagine what this trend will bring us going forward. The extremists on both side of the isle taking over their parties and the middle ground disappearing. Compromise seems to be a swear word nowadays.
I used to live in the bible belt and still (mail) vote there and have plenty of friends there (including Trump supporters). My house in the suburbs had plenty of churches within 1 mile. I did have guns at the house (usually locked in the safe though) and liked to shoot at a range or a friends farm.
Since this is a monger forum I still remember the old days in the 90's before it was cleaned up with plenty of monger options relative openly available in the city (brothel's, street walkers, .). Now even strip clubs have a no touching policy. In the older days you went to church on Sunday's and started sinning Monday morning, rinse and repeat. Clinton is a good example.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2504623]Your country needs younger politicans in general. Trump, Biden, Sanders and the others are all north of 70.
I guess the future really is non-white women such as AOC or Harris. I make no judgment on that, it's what the change of the American people dictates.[/QUOTE]I agree, if I was US, I would vote Kamala Harris, for a more fair society. No worth to be number 1 when so many poor who can t have healthcare, or illegals. Trump is a big loser for this, and his economy is also down. US can t work without blacks, Latinos, Mexicans. Covid gave real image of US.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2504623]Your country needs younger politicans in general. Trump, Biden, Sanders and the others are all north of 70.
I guess the future really is non-white women such as AOC or Harris. I make no judgment on that, it's what the change of the American people dictates.[/QUOTE]Young or old, male or female, there are inescapable ironies that make the whole thing a waste of time.
If AOC truly believes in Decriminalization, that is the only unregulated, free market activity she believes in. She sees a sex worker selling sex to a customer in a private space, and she seems to see a transaction between a willing seller and a willing buyer that does not need to be regulated by the government. God bless her for once. Every other business transaction the lady has ever been presented with, including an Amazon corporate headquarters, all she sees is corporate evil that needs so much government regulation that any businessperson dealing with her throws their hands up and just says fuck it, we will build it elsewhere. And for what it is worth, I am skeptical that true Decriminalization could ever occur. Everything is regulated in the United States, even a kid trying to operate a lemonade stand needs a permit. The regulation and licensing, and its application to a business as controversial as sex work, would be the ultimate government shakedown for everyone involved. It just won't work. Even Germany basically just gives up on trying to enforce its regulations on sex work, in no small part because independent escorts are impossible to regulate, and imposing greater restrictions on its showcased legal brothels and FKKs would make the government look ridiculous. That is exactly the case in Australia, and the government does look ridiculous. If you look at the local Australian reviews websites, independent escorts are far more popular than the government-licensed brothels where CBJ is theoretically required. The USA Has by definition unregulated commercial sex work since it is illegal. No one who enjoys independent escorts and Sugar Babies would want politicians deciding how sex should occur, nor would sex workers want the government to dictate where and how they work. Virtually all American sex workers who get involved in politics want true, full Decriminalization, but they are amazingly naive that doing so would make sex work the only unregulated business in the whole damn country.
But the greatest irony of all is that the many USA Politicians who claim to believe in true free markets would look at that room where a sex worker is selling sex to a customer and immediately believe the sex worker must be a victim of exploitation and coercion. They look for the nonexistent pimp. It is truly bizarre.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2504623]Your country needs younger politicans in general. Trump, Biden, Sanders and the others are all north of 70.
I guess the future really is non-white women such as AOC or Harris. I make no judgment on that, it's what the change of the American people dictates.[/QUOTE]Yeah, true USA needs younger leaders, unfortunately though neither pay-by-pussy nor the crazy is a real leader. Germany also needs some younger blood in leadership. France got Macca, but he's surrounded and led by people too old, even in his bedroom. Unless there's a upper limit to a career in politics (something like 58 or 60), the policies are going to stay based on fear of death.
But young doesn't always mean good innovative thinker, some kid named Greta or the crazy sensationalist girl with three letter acronym already proved that to us numerous times. So there is that risk.
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[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2504503]I agree. Social conservativism gives people something to have when it comes to identity politics.
In rural America, this often centers around church, which rails against abortion.
They believe, with some accuracy, that the government just prints money and hands it out to everyone but them.
So fiscal dove, social conservative appeals to a lot of Americans, especially in rural America where guns are popular.[/QUOTE]These are the popular and clich portrayals of rural, red America, but it's much deeper than that. These political stances regarding religion and guns are only surface level talking points. They are not the root cause of the mentality. You can arbitrarily change those political positions and issues and the effect would still be the same. At the heart of their choice to position themselves on their side of the aisle are 2 things.
1. Pack mentality leading to tribalism.
2. Genuine disdain for the leftist agenda.
The first is a natural phenomenon that's definitely mirrored on the left / liberal side. The latter is the Democratic party's own fault. They try too hard to tell people how to think and behave. They superficially get behind feel-good but poorly planned agendas. If the fuzzy, feel-good, kumbaya wing of the Democratic party would stop villainizing the tens of millions of good people who just want to live their lives without being told that they are oppressors of less fortunate people, there wouldn't be this fierce backlash leading people to support obviously incompetent leaders such as Trump.
They hate the phony, controlling wing of the Democratic party more.
As for the people who actually genuinely believe that the Trumpian message is a winning and productive platform, well as we condescendingly and facetiously say in the South, "Bless their hearts."
[URL]https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/bless-your-heart[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Martin39;2504638]I fully agree with you and I am aware my view is a minority and politicians (you named a couple on both sides) are getting extinct. Lower middle class did get slammed by globalization and even middle class jobs are not as safe as they used to be. Don't want to imagine what this trend will bring us going forward. The extremists on both side of the isle taking over their parties and the middle ground disappearing. Compromise seems to be a swear word nowadays.
I used to live in the bible belt and still (mail) vote there and have plenty of friends there (including Trump supporters). My house in the suburbs had plenty of churches within 1 mile. I did have guns at the house (usually locked in the safe though) and liked to shoot at a range or a friends farm.
Since this is a monger forum I still remember the old days in the 90's before it was cleaned up with plenty of monger options relative openly available in the city (brothel's, street walkers, .). Now even strip clubs have a no touching policy. In the older days you went to church on Sunday's and started sinning Monday morning, rinse and repeat. Clinton is a good example.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I live in a semi-red state as well but like all urban / suburbs, things are changing. My parents still live in the area I grew up in and that remains deeply red as you said and it feels a bit sad to see many people left behind. That said, Trump still received nearly half of college White vote; a slight majority in my office are right leaning from what I know. People have entrenched opinions. I am one of the few people that I know of who changed his vote in the last few years.
I owned a Glock compact and Winchester for a while; bought a 2nd one (19) during the pandemic but haven't had a chance to try it yet. I actually put an order for it in late Feb but finally got my hands on it in May.
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2504626]Usually, this time of the year is spent planning for my last trip of the year to FKK in early December or in November, but this year instead I wait for Canelo fight and mike Tyson fight, whatta difference LOL!
At least, by coincidence, I went to globe in early this year in Jan. And Feb! Who would have thought virus would close all FKK for most of the year! We discussed about authority, this and that, but never thought virus via CCP going to affect FKK operations LOL! Whatta counter punch to mongering world LOL![/QUOTE]You are right it was completely unpredictable. Also the fault of all he medias, I remember in may and June most of them were saying that may be a second wave will take place in winter most probably February. The second wave was already there end of October in Europe, now they all speak about the vaccine but the real specialist of the infection diseases have some doubts just because we have now variant 4 and for sure the vaccine will not work for variant 1 and 4.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2504617]Possible but really discouraged: [URL]https://www.krisinformation.se/en/hazards-and-risks/disasters-and-incidents/2020/official-information-on-the-new-coronavirus/regional-guidelines-and-restrictions/stockholm-county[/URL].
What did your PM say? He said that:
Source: [URL]https://news.trust.org/item/20201116135516-ilta9/[/URL].
Is Reuters a fake news media?
Not so packed without big tables and no alcohol after 10 pm.
Source: [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/16/sweden-limits-public-gatherings-to-eight-people-amid-covid-surge[/URL].
How do you call this?
Source: [URL]https://www.krisinformation.se/en/news[/URL].
Just new guidelines?
Not so much it seems.
Thank you BolsoTrump, it was a pleasure talking to you.[/QUOTE]So you admit that people are allowed to move freely, the gyms, malls, restaurants, massage parlors and schools are open? But yet you claim that there's a lockdown? Hilarious. Wouldn't it just be easier to admit that I was right and you were wrong?
In regards to the recommendations, it's nothing new. It's basically the same old recommendations as in March.
You wrote that they changed their strategy, incorrect. You wrote Sweden had a light lockdown, incorrect.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2504507]I think you may be correct. Like here in the USA, people of lower socioeconomic means are the ones that are much more care-free regarding their actions on this pandemic. Some must work because of the nature of their jobs, but at non-essential late night social venues, the people out and about are generally more of the riff raff. Even amongst the young 20 something year olds, the more well-to-do ones are not out at these venues as much as the rougher crowds.
Point is that there are some mandated restrictions and in practice, the population are acting responsibly and the virus factors into the average Swede's decisions on level of physical distancing. Voluntarily but similar effect nonetheless.
Yes, "Lock down" should be better defined.[/QUOTE]Actually, Shoo Bre is a book. But cool, I'm now an Arabic Trump-supporter from the hoods of Stockholm who used to live in Mountain View.
Unlike little buddy, you actually got a clue what's happening in Sweden. I much prefer the Swedish approach over the draconian measures some other countries resorted to. Since I don't cook I really don't want the restaurants to be closed down. That would be the death of me.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2504600]Regarding her being "smart", wasn't she a bartender?[/QUOTE]Confirmation of simplistic thought process. Just another insignificant person who's unable to think outside of a bubble limited to their pre-packaged, of-the-rack ideas of reality.
I remember after undergrad, my first job was a research associate only making $40 K per year in Santa Barbara, California. That's basically $20/ hour in one of the more expensive places to live in America. But I kept a part time job as a bartender and pulled in 50 up to nearly $100/ HR (cash) in tips working at lounges and busy nightclubs. It's called a side hustle and a point of pride for people who who actually have bigger goals and are willing to work for it.
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When chloroquine for forbidden to try to cure virus in France, but vitamin the may be more safe than rush vaccine with other effects to discover?
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2504744]So you admit that people are allowed to move freely, the gyms, malls, restaurants, massage parlors and schools are open? But yet you claim that there's a lockdown? Hilarious. Wouldn't it just be easier to admit that I was right and you were wrong?
In regards to the recommendations, it's nothing new. It's basically the same old recommendations as in March.
You wrote that they changed their strategy, incorrect. You wrote Sweden had a light lockdown, incorrect.[/QUOTE]There ya go. That's Shoo's mentality summed up (along with a couple others). Their ultimate goal is not to reach understanding or to have fruitful discussion. Typed up clear as day here, their driving motivation is to simply "win" an argument. Along the way, the point of the conversation gets lost.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2504769]But I kept a part time job as a bartender and pulled in 50 up to nearly $100/ HR (cash) in tips working at lounges and busy nightclubs. It's called a side hustle and a point of pride for people who who actually have bigger goals and are willing to work for it.[/QUOTE]I applaud you man. It's too bad a lot of americans are living it up on their welfare checks and filling their carts w / shit and premium meats w / their SNAP benefits and complaining it isn't enough. Too much pride to go scrub some toilets or go work at Mickey DS.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2504769]Confirmation of simplistic thought process. Just another insignificant person who's unable to think outside of a bubble limited to their pre-packaged, of-the-rack ideas of reality.
I remember after undergrad, my first job was a research associate only making $40 K per year in Santa Barbara, California. That's basically $20/ hour in one of the more expensive places to live in America. But I kept a part time job as a bartender and pulled in 50 up to nearly $100/ HR (cash) in tips working at lounges and busy nightclubs. It's called a side hustle and a point of pride for people who who actually have bigger goals and are willing to work for it.[/QUOTE]No one studies for 5 years at the university to become a bartender. Stop being so full of yourself and wake up to smell the coffee. It's a complete failure. One of my closest friends from high school became a bartender. He's doing great, but he sure as hell didn't waste 5 years and a lot of money for some university education he had no use for in his professional life.
Now she's an embarrassment for the whole country and it really goes to show that incompetence might very well be a necessity if you run for Congress in New York.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2504786]There ya go. That's Shoo's mentality summed up (along with a couple others). Their ultimate goal is not to reach understanding or to have fruitful discussion. Typed up clear as day here, their driving motivation is to simply "win" an argument. Along the way, the point of the conversation gets lost.[/QUOTE]I love it, now when you realize that I was right you decide to attack my "mentality". Don't you get tired of being so dishonest all the time? Or is it that you just don't understand any better? It's amazing how you had nothing to say when I was attacked solely for pointing out the truth. You really should take a look in the mirror and spend more time on self-reflection than attacking those with a different view of things. Shame, shame on you.
And you don't need to worry, I got it. You're one of those obnoxious and arrogant hypocrites that so often are liberals / libtards.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2504786]There ya go. That's Shoo's mentality summed up (along with a couple others). Their ultimate goal is not to reach understanding or to have fruitful discussion. Typed up clear as day here, their driving motivation is to simply "win" an argument. Along the way, the point of the conversation gets lost.[/QUOTE]Facts are facts, deal with it. You could teach me how to be an arrogant, disingenuous, obnoxious hypocrite. But I'm not sure I want to learn that.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2504786]There ya go. That's Shoo's mentality summed up (along with a couple others). Their ultimate goal is not to reach understanding or to have fruitful discussion. Typed up clear as day here, their driving motivation is to simply "win" an argument. Along the way, the point of the conversation gets lost.[/QUOTE]Cut Shoo Swede some slack. He's wrong so often, got to afford him a celebration when he finally gets something right. Wink "Light lockdown" was not a good choice of words, but not a big deal. Is still better then his straw men / false choice fallacies, accusing anyone that went against his lassiez-faire, dive in and get infected approach of advocating "lockdowns," so the hypocrisy is noted.
Sweden essentially has the same thing going as my home state of Florida USA, with "guidelines" or even "mandates," as in my county. These though, as in my county, are mandates in name only as there is no enforcement. Without such of course there will be plenty of non-compliance, no matter the location, especially with plenty of guys like Shoo Swede around telling others how they should behave. Your point though was that Sweden isn't doing absolutely nothing, which is well taken.
Here's a quote from the Swedish prime minister earlier this month:
"The trends are quickly going in the wrong direction," Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Lofven wrote on Facebook earlier this week. "More are infected. More are dying. This is a serious situation. ".
[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-sweden-keeps-its-laid-back-covid-19-strategy/a-55531888[/URL]
That's odd indeed for a country that Shoo Swede said had already reached the 20% (huh? Threshold for "herd immunity."
And a number of Swedish scientists and physicians are not happy with the current approach.
"In an open letter published in the daily Aftonbladet newspaper on Friday, 27 Swedish scientists and doctors warned the country could soon approach the sort of numbers in intensive care seen in the spring and called on party leaders to override the Health Agency and introduce tougher restrictions."
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-sweden-tegnell/second-wave-same-strategy-swedish-covid-19-czar-defiant-despite-surge-idINL1N2HZ1YJ[/URL]
P.S. Shoo Swede, are you sitll holding out hope for Trump? His latest actions have been described as "the last shakings of a mad King. " lolol.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2504805]No one studies for 5 years at the university to become a bartender. Stop being so full of yourself and wake up to smell the coffee. It's a complete failure. One of my closest friends from high school became a bartender. He's doing great, but he sure as hell didn't waste 5 years and a lot of money for some university education he had no use for in his professional life.
[/QUOTE]Hence the term "side-hustle. " You do it to fund bigger goals.
The financial realities of ordinary people escapes you.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2504814]I love it, now when you realize that I was right you decide to attack my "mentality". Don't you get tired of being so dishonest all the time? Or is it that you just don't understand any better? It's amazing how you had nothing to say when I was attacked solely for pointing out the truth. You really should take a look in the mirror and spend more time on self-reflection than attacking those with a different view of things. Shame, shame on you.
And you don't need to worry, I got it. You're one of those obnoxious and arrogant hypocrites that so often are liberals / libtards.[/QUOTE]Once again, the big picture escapes you.
No one was trying to parse through terms like "light lockdown. " However, many were saying that Swedish society have largely enacted many mitigation efforts. Making the daily functions of society not much different than other parts of the world that have been deemed as "lock-down" countries. From the sound of it, the level of social distancing measures in Sweden is very much like much of the United States. Something like a "light lockdown. " Only difference being that efforts were nominally classified as recommendations rather than official policy.
But congrats on answering the questions that no one was asking and winning a one man competition.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2504814]And you don't need to worry, I got it. You're one of those obnoxious and arrogant hypocrites that so often are liberals / libtards.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mursenary;2504675]The latter is the Democratic party's own fault. They try too hard to tell people how to think and behave. They superficially get behind feel-good but poorly planned agendas. If the fuzzy, feel-good, kumbaya wing of the Democratic party would stop villainizing the tens of millions of good people who just want to live their lives without being told that they are oppressors of less fortunate people, there wouldn't be this fierce backlash leading people to support obviously incompetent leaders such as Trump.[/QUOTE]Yeah, the record shows I'm a real blind libtard. Eyeroll smirk.
Also, "Bless your heart. ".
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2504742]You are right it was completely unpredictable. Also the fault of all he medias, I remember in may and June most of them were saying that may be a second wave will take place in winter most probably February. The second wave was already there end of October in Europe, now they all speak about the vaccine but the real specialist of the infection diseases have some doubts just because we have now variant 4 and for sure the vaccine will not work for variant 1 and 4.[/QUOTE]Well how many of European behaved during summer holiday season, this was predictable, I think it is to do with culture of freedom over caring about others and be disciplined, so you get what you get is the result!
It is almost contained here in my city, but infection rates did begin to rise and lets see if it can be remained this way, but it tend to be worst in nation where people are disciplined and responsible, on the same note, in our beloved Germany, people are protesting still on the street about mask without mask LOL!
Good news is that corona virus can only transform 12 to 14 times maximum, and it already transformed close to this number, so apparently it could become just another virus soon or later even before vaccine arrive! But we can forget about air travel before next summer minimum I think? The thing is I can go if I take PCR test to any nations in Europe without quarantine or restriction, but pcr test before 96 hours of departure, but why go now when things are all closed or restricted in Europe and most importantly, I do not want to get this corona virus!
It was most unpredictable thing for monger to stop mongering LOL It was not feminist, it was virus LOL! The guess what after virus, it maybe feminist changing law LOL! But it is good that there was no pandemic in German FKK LOL! That could have start the debate of dangerous FKK in German politic again!
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[QUOTE=Palcon;2504802]I applaud you man. It's too bad a lot of americans are living it up on their welfare checks and filling their carts w / shit and premium meats w / their SNAP benefits and complaining it isn't enough. Too much pride to go scrub some toilets or go work at Mickey DS.[/QUOTE]By the same token it's too bad there's losers in monger forums pretentiously looking down their nose at others. Lolol Whatever country you are in there's surely people taking advantage of the system there. Or if in the US, same thing, though most on such benefits are in poverty and are not living it up.
P.S. There's too little discussion of this kind of welfare. No matter it's certainly anti-thetical to free markets.
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/taxanalysts/2014/03/14/where-is-the-outrage-over-corporate-welfare/?sh=d5d4df027ddd[/URL]
[URL]https://www.listenmoneymatters.com/corporate-welfare/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.charleskochinstitute.org/blog/corporate-welfare-undermines-real-free-enterprise/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2504829]If this is indicative of a change in the FKK business model to from all-you-can-eat to a la carte vis-a-vis time, it could be unpleasant and keep me at home.[/QUOTE]FKK ocean in Duss is a la carte ONE time before corona pandemic already, but food comparison within FKK industry was not bad at oceans and good thing was that all waters are served as mineral water in proper glass bottle which was big plus for me as I tend to drink only water in FKK!
I am not in FKK to eat, but I spend almost full day at FKK depending on club, so good enough food is plus! I never understood the hype of food at sharks, it was terrible Chinese food! I tend to prefer more hard to go wrong type of food at FKK like pasta, it is hard to cook good pasta, but it is hard to cook too wrong pasta!
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Girls!
I think most of the WG's would crack up reading the cattiness and bitchiness here. PMS, small man syndrome or something causing all this fluffing up of feathers.
Let's get back to health and banging hot women.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2504769]Confirmation of simplistic thought process. Just another insignificant person who's unable to think outside of a bubble limited to their pre-packaged, of-the-rack ideas of reality.[/QUOTE]He's a wannabe starry eyed, MAGA hat wearing American, so going after prominent leftists, especially a young cutie that he'd have no shot at getting next to, is part of the role. Only problem is that it's all completely out of reach because he's a Shoo Swede, and always will be. Though he's free to pretend online. LOL.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2504744]So you admit that people are allowed to move freely, the gyms, malls, restaurants, massage parlors and schools are open? But yet you claim that there's a lockdown? Hilarious. Wouldn't it just be easier to admit that I was right and you were wrong?[/QUOTE]You don't know how to read? "not more than 8 people at a table", "possible ban of visits in the elders houses", that's what you cool "packed restaurants" and moving freely?
[QUOTE]In regards to the recommendations, it's nothing new. It's basically the same old recommendations as in March.[/QUOTE]Not it's now, it's written everywhere on the website of your nice little country: "stricter general recommendations", "further restrictions", but it seems that you have severe understanding problems as soon as it doesn't fit your narrow visions of the world.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2504761]Actually, Shoo Bre is a book. But cool, I'm now an Arabic Trump-supporter from the hoods of Stockholm who used to live in Mountain View.
Unlike little buddy, you actually got a clue what's happening in Sweden. I much prefer the Swedish approach over the draconian measures some other countries resorted to. Since I don't cook I really don't want the restaurants to be closed down. That would be the death of me.[/QUOTE]One thing is clear and you're no Swede even though you now pretend you've worked for Google.
Maybe you lived too long at the end of the red or blue lines to learn proper manners because you're too quick to use insults such as "horunge" or "libtard".
You're Assyrian or Muhammed. No doubt about that.
Unlike you I support the closing of restaurants. Why would I care if some Assyrian has to move back to Norsborg or Ronna when he's bankrupted? Swedes with your opinions support that since they know only immigrants own restaurants.
I'm Swedish so I can cook. Of course.
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2504921]I think most of the WG's would crack up reading the cattiness and bitchiness here. PMS, small man syndrome or something causing all this fluffing up of feathers.
Let's get back to health and banging hot women.[/QUOTE]Yeah,
But this pandemic irritates people and gets the worst out of everyone. It's not getting better since it's clearly become political too.
Ask Mutti to open the clubs so we can come. That would help a lot.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2504744]So you admit that people are allowed to move freely, the gyms, malls, restaurants, massage parlors and schools are open? But yet you claim that there's a lockdown? Hilarious. [/QUOTE]Gyms, museums, pools have been closed in Stockholm and Malmo since yesterday. They were closed in Gothenburg, the second biggest city, since the end of October: [URL]https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=7604590[/URL].
Sweden was able to get away with a no-lockdown, no-masks approach and not overburden hospitals. What worked for Sweden would not have worked for most other countries. Sweden has universal healthcare, pay their people to stay home when sick, population is not obese, and the people are socially distanced by nature (unlike the Spanish or Italians). Sweden also has a low population density and is NOT a geographic hub for international travellers. Even though Sweden was lockdown free, the virus never spread sufficiently through its population from March to October. If it had, then infection rates would not be as high as they are now, because we know the chances of re-infection are extremely low.
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2504921]I think most of the WG's would crack up reading the cattiness and bitchiness here. PMS, small man syndrome or something causing all this fluffing up of feathers.
Let's get back to health and banging hot women.[/QUOTE]Other threads. Go over there instead. Read the title of the damn thread.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2504958]One thing is clear and you're no Swede even though you now pretend you've worked for Google.
Maybe you lived too long at the end of the red or blue lines to learn proper manners because you're too quick to use insults such as "horunge" or "libtard".
You're Assyrian or Muhammed. No doubt about that.
Unlike you I support the closing of restaurants. Why would I care if some Assyrian has to move back to Norsborg or Ronna when he's bankrupted? Swedes with your opinions support that since they know only immigrants own restaurants.
I'm Swedish so I can cook. Of course.[/QUOTE]So much anger and racism but still so little knowledge.
A deranged racist talks to me about manners, you're the definition of white-trash. I wonder what Mursenary thinks about your blatant racism. I know your type, you write a lot of shit on the internet but when there are immigrants around you don't even dare to look at them. Loser.
Who cares if you can cook, do you want a cookie for that? Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? Everyone can cook, but I sure as hell don't have any desire or reason to do so.
Did I write that I worked for Google? There are a lot of tech companies in Silicon Valley. Use your brain for once. Stop being so envious and insecure of yourself. Sure I don't get the Connaiseur as I used to a few years back, but I still do good enough not having to live in any ghetto.
You've made yourself real clear, you're a sociopathic racist that takes pleasure in seeing decent, hardworking immigrants get their life's work destroyed. Go back to Flashback.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2504939]You don't know how to read? "not more than 8 people at a table", "possible ban of visits in the elders houses", that's what you cool "packed restaurants" and moving freely?
Not it's now, it's written everywhere on the website of your nice little country: "stricter general recommendations", "further restrictions", but it seems that you have severe understanding problems as soon as it doesn't fit your narrow visions of the world.[/QUOTE]News flash: Most tables at restaurants are for less than eight persons.
News flash: Most people in restaurants are party's of four or less.
News flash: Most people and restaurants are therefore not affected by the "max 8 persons per table" rule.
News Flash: The national visitor ban to nursing homes was put in place the first of April.
News Flash: "stricter general recommendations", "further restrictions", is compared to earlier in the summer / fall. Not compared to March / April. So no, they still haven't change any strategy.
I feel sorry for you but you're a prime example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
I guess you took the short bus to school.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2504981]Gyms, museums, pools have been closed in Stockholm and Malmo since yesterday. They were closed in Gothenburg, the second biggest city, since the end of October: [URL]https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=7604590[/URL].
Sweden was able to get away with a no-lockdown, no-masks approach and not overburden hospitals. What worked for Sweden would not have worked for most other countries. Sweden has universal healthcare, pay their people to stay home when sick, population is not obese, and the people are socially distanced by nature (unlike the Spanish or Italians). Sweden also has a low population density and is NOT a geographic hub for international travellers. Even though Sweden was lockdown free, the virus never spread sufficiently through its population from March to October. If it had, then infection rates would not be as high as they are now, because we know the chances of re-infection are extremely low.[/QUOTE]The private gyms are still allowed to be opened and constitute the majority of gyms.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2504924]He's a wannabe starry eyed, MAGA hat wearing American, so going after prominent leftists, especially a young cutie that he'd have no shot at getting next to, is part of the role. Only problem is that it's all completely out of reach because he's a Shoo Swede, and always will be. Though he's free to pretend online. LOL.[/QUOTE]We get it, you're a leftist. I understand that AOC may look good to a pathetic old fart like you. She's under my league. She's hated even among a large part of those that voted for Biden. She was one of the best campaigners for Trump. She even accused Nancy Pelosi of being a racist. It only goes to show how crazy the Democrats are. So what do you say, is she crazy or are Nancy Pelosi a racist?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2504831]Once again, the big picture escapes you.
No one was trying to parse through terms like "light lockdown. " However, many were saying that Swedish society have largely enacted many mitigation efforts. Making the daily functions of society not much different than other parts of the world that have been deemed as "lock-down" countries. From the sound of it, the level of social distancing measures in Sweden is very much like much of the United States. Something like a "light lockdown. " Only difference being that efforts were nominally classified as recommendations rather than official policy.
But congrats on answering the questions that no one was asking and winning a one man competition.[/QUOTE]You're so full of yourself that you completely missed the point. The point was that Sweden didn't change their strategy nor did they implement any lockdown. You say people changed their habits even in Sweden, for real? I had no idea.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2504830]Hence the term "side-hustle. " You do it to fund bigger goals.
The financial realities of ordinary people escapes you.[/QUOTE]A side hustle after graduating the university? Most people I know did that during their studies, not after.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2504823]Cut Shoo Swede some slack. He's wrong so often, got to afford him a celebration when he finally gets something right. Wink "Light lockdown" was not a good choice of words, but not a big deal. Is still better then his straw men / false choice fallacies, accusing anyone that went against his lassiez-faire, dive in and get infected approach of advocating "lockdowns," so the hypocrisy is noted.
Sweden essentially has the same thing going as my home state of Florida USA, with "guidelines" or even "mandates," as in my county. These though, as in my county, are mandates in name only as there is no enforcement. Without such of course there will be plenty of non-compliance, no matter the location, especially with plenty of guys like Shoo Swede around telling others how they should behave. Your point though was that Sweden isn't doing absolutely nothing, which is well taken..[/QUOTE]You are without doubt completely crazy, I've never told anyone what he should or shouldn't do. It's rather the opposite. I've been a strong supporter of letting people take decisions for themselves. You on the other hand revealed yourself to be a true fascist. You want to lock people up in their homes and forcing businesses into bankruptcy only because you're scared of the virus.
Aren't you the old fart who praised the political leadership of NY, the Corona Capital of the World. How awkward. Given the large number of retirees in Florida many assumed they would be the worst hit state. But no, NY really dropped the ball.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2504507]I think you may be correct. Like here in the USA, people of lower socioeconomic means are the ones that are much more care-free regarding their actions on this pandemic. Some must work because of the nature of their jobs, but at non-essential late night social venues, the people out and about are generally more of the riff raff. Even amongst the young 20 something year olds, the more well-to-do ones are not out at these venues as much as the rougher crowds.
You misunderstand. It was not an insult to Europeans. It was a remark that most Europeans do not follow the tabloid drama of barely relevant American news anchors.
90% is absolutely too high. Europeans descendants probably make up roughly 60-65% of America with some grey areas due to the mixed genetic make up of South and Central American immigrants. African lineage about 13%. South and Central Americans about another 15%. Asians about 5%. 5% from other backgrounds.
Point is that there are some mandated restrictions and in practice, the population are acting responsibly and the virus factors into the average Swede's decisions on level of physical distancing. Voluntarily but similar effect nonetheless.[/QUOTE]OH BTW, "I like GT to change their door policy" is lame. When you patronize a known discriminating club, you are a discriminator yourself. And as I said, the equating of all Trump voters to Nazis was disgusting. ADL and FOxman would think that is equal to the worst denial of holocaust.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2504992]So much anger and racism but still so little knowledge.
A deranged racist talks to me about manners, you're the definition of white-trash. I wonder what Mursenary thinks about your blatant racism. I know your type, you write a lot of shit on the internet but when there are immigrants around you don't even dare to look at them. Loser.
Who cares if you can cook, do you want a cookie for that? Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? Everyone can cook, but I sure as hell don't have any desire or reason to do so.
Did I write that I worked for Google? There are a lot of tech companies in Silicon Valley. Use your brain for once. Stop being so envious and insecure of yourself. Sure I don't get the Connaiseur as I used to a few years back, but I still do good enough not having to live in any ghetto.
You've made yourself real clear, you're a sociopathic racist that takes pleasure in seeing decent, hardworking immigrants get their life's work destroyed. Go back to Flashback.[/QUOTE]This guy is so American sounding it's funny. By whatever technicality you consider yourself a Swede, you do not seem to to be a representation of a Swedish person in culture.
No, I didn't attach racism to his comments. Stereotyping, sure, even using an ethnic pejorative, maybe. Socially aware people can parse the difference between making stereotypes and actual racist calls to action, like when someone calls for mass deportation of an ethnic group. That dude was weirdly unstable also.
It seems that you're also getting all mixed up in your American roots too. Mountain View, CA or Mountain View, CO? Silicon Valley? Hard to keep up.
This guy now writes about hardworking immigrants but also attributes low intelligence to people who have worked as bartenders. He can't even grasp the idea of a side-hustle.
I do disagree with Arafat that Shoo comes from the ghetto. I grew up in the hood, and my people don't come off as spoon-fed brats like this one does.
Love seeing these guys come unraveled.
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2504839]Good news is that corona virus can only transform 12 to 14 times maximum, and it already transformed close to this number, so apparently it could become just another virus soon or later even before vaccine arrive![/QUOTE]No idea what is the scientific basis behind this statement. Mutation ability is near infinite. Become just another virus? Not sure what that means either.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2505096]OH BTW, "I like GT to change their door policy" is lame.
When you patronize a known discriminating club, you are a discriminator yourself.[/QUOTE]You are free to hold that thought.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2505096]And as I said, the equating of all Trump voters to Nazis was disgusting. ADL and FOxman would think that is equal to the worst denial of holocaust.[/QUOTE]Prove where I equated all Trump voters to Nazis. I think I've asked before and nothing was produced.
Best case you'll find is complicit Germans and complicit Trump supporters.
Go ahead, prove it. You can't.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2505091]You're so full of yourself that you completely missed the point. The point was that Sweden didn't change their strategy nor did they implement any lockdown. You say people changed their habits even in Sweden, for real? I had no idea.[/QUOTE]No bro, that was your point. The bigger conversation was regarding Sweden's approach to controlling the virus while you focused on insignificant battles.
Other more credible Swedes seems to have suggested differently.
Who do I believe, credited publications plus people who don't sound unhinged? Or simple, spoiled brat trolls? Easy choice.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2505092]A side hustle after graduating the university? Most people I know did that during their studies, not after.[/QUOTE]Go meet more people.
Ever met an American Teacher?
[URL]https://www.nea.org/advocating-for-change/new-from-nea/almost-one-third-new-teachers-take-second-jobs[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2505158]Go meet more people.
Ever met an American Teacher?
[URL]https://www.nea.org/advocating-for-change/new-from-nea/almost-one-third-new-teachers-take-second-jobs[/URL][/QUOTE]You keep nagging about side gigs, which again only goes to show that the point went over your head. A smart person would have understood. A smart person without any need to work as a bartender would have gotten it. Can you ever make a relevant post?
Anyways, so what was AOC: s main occupation when she worked as a bartender? Now you've your chance! Say something relevant for once!
I know one teacher with a side gig, you will be surprised to hear this, but it wasn't bartending!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2505149]No idea what is the scientific basis behind this statement. Mutation ability is near infinite. Become just another virus? Not sure what that means either.[/QUOTE]Well I read it, but yes, it could have been fake news!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2505157]No bro, that was your point. The bigger conversation was regarding Sweden's approach to controlling the virus while you focused on insignificant battles.
Other more credible Swedes seems to have suggested differently.
Who do I believe, credited publications plus people who don't sound unhinged? Or simple, spoiled brat trolls? Easy choice.[/QUOTE]But I I honestly don't give a flying duck about what's your point. I made my point and it's rock solid, it sure revealed how dishonest you are. You got verbally knocked to the ground and then decided to make another, completely irrelevant point. The funniest part was that you acted as if you'd done some great revelation. The Dunning-Kruger effect in full effect.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2505147]This guy is so American sounding it's funny. By whatever technicality you consider yourself a Swede, you do not seem to to be a representation of a Swedish person in culture.
No, I didn't attach racism to his comments. Stereotyping, sure, even using an ethnic pejorative, maybe. Socially aware people can parse the difference between making stereotypes and actual racist calls to action, like when someone calls for mass deportation of an ethnic group. That dude was weirdly unstable also.
It seems that you're also getting all mixed up in your American roots too. Mountain View, CA or Mountain View, CO? Silicon Valley? Hard to keep up.
This guy now writes about hardworking immigrants but also attributes low intelligence to people who have worked as bartenders. He can't even grasp the idea of a side-hustle.
I do disagree with Arafat that Shoo comes from the ghetto. I grew up in the hood, and my people don't come off as spoon-fed brats like this one does.
Love seeing these guys come unraveled.[/QUOTE]You don't even try to hide that you're a liar and a racist.
I see no point in entertaining a demagogue like you.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2505149]No idea what is the scientific basis behind this statement. Mutation ability is near infinite. Become just another virus? Not sure what that means either.[/QUOTE]If you take a French city like Marseille, today we have the variant 4 of Covid knowing that in March we had the 1 this explain why some people can catch 2 times the covid even they build a immunity against variant 1 they are not immune against variant 4, it is exactly the same for the yearly flue. How many people we all know who even they got the flue vaccine they were still sick. This will be the biggest challenge for the vaccine but obviously the journalists, politicians will not speak about it, it is the time to give good news to the people. It is like the question who will pay for the hundred of billions of cash that the different states injected in the past months in the economy, the answer is very simple when you do know it will be us you).
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2505210]You keep nagging about side gigs, which again only goes to show that the point went over your head. A smart person would have understood. A smart person without any need to work as a bartender would have gotten it. Can you ever make a relevant post?
Anyways, so what was AOC: s main occupation when she worked as a bartender? Now you've your chance! Say something relevant for once!
I know one teacher with a side gig, you will be surprised to hear this, but it wasn't bartending![/QUOTE]Are you that dense or are you just playing dumb?
Please enlighten me on how being not smart and bartending side gigs have anything to do with each other.
Entry level jobs often don't pay much. After college, some people actually work internships which may pay very little or may not pay at all. Some even volunteer to help the community while gaining experience.
While I may not agree with her political stance, I believe AOC worked as an educator at a nonprofit and on political campaigns like Bernie's while working service jobs to pay the bills for herself and her recently widowed mother.
But what would a spoon fed brat know about hard work and hardship.
I have a feeling that this article regarding criticism of AOC's bartending gig sums up your pompous worldview:
[URL]www.businessinsider.com/psychology-of-why-conservatives-bring-up-ocasio-cortez-bartender-past-2019-7%3Famp[/URL]
Funny though, for a couple of dumb former bartenders, I'm pretty sure both of us have accomplished more with less than this underachieving asshole.
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Food for thought
Two excellent eye-opening interviews with Mike Yeadon, the former Chief Scientific Advisor of Pfizer, the company that is now claiming to be making good progress on a vaccine against the SARS-CoV2 virus;.
[URL]https://open.lbry.com/Mike-Yeadon-Unlocked:0[/URL]
[URL]https://odysee.com/@UrbeOscura:8/Dr-Mike-Yeadon-[/URL]'Government-are-using-a-Covid-19-test-with-undeclared-false-positive-rates'-1-:6?are=CVfX67 aax2 t8 ydQ5 qAVV8 wgAd7 d5 fsrp.
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With regards to the comment from Jmioffe, my guess would be that they are trying to keep down the # of guests at a time to some fairly small number to pass local restrictions. As such, I do not expect these type of restrictions to persist, nor the pricing models when we are past Covid. I have the same view about the excess pricing implemented in Artemis in September. Perhaps I will be wrong but that is the guess / view I have. [/QUOTE]You are not wrong. Nothing has been fundamentally changed. After corona, FKK clubs will go back to normal like before.
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2504841] That said, 3 hours is a short amount of time and hardly leaves enough time for more than one session. So, if you stay past 3 hours they charge another 40 when checking out?[/QUOTE]If there is any monger waiting outside or having already made appointment, the club will kick you out after 3 hours. Otherwise, you can pay another 40 euro for 3 more hours. The reason is, as you correctly stated,
[QUOTE=Pessimist;2504841] they are trying to keep down the # of guests at a time to some fairly small number to pass local restrictions. [/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2505348]If you take a French city like Marseille, today we have the variant 4 of Covid knowing that in March we had the 1 this explain why some people can catch 2 times the covid even they build a immunity against variant 1 they are not immune against variant 4, it is exactly the same for the yearly flue. How many people we all know who even they got the flue vaccine they were still sick. This will be the biggest challenge for the vaccine but obviously the journalists, politicians will not speak about it, it is the time to give good news to the people. It is like the question who will pay for the hundred of billions of cash that the different states injected in the past months in the economy, the answer is very simple when you do know it will be us you).[/QUOTE]Variants / mutations do not mean vaccine is rendered ineffective. I posted this earlier in response to you.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2505235]But I I honestly don't give a flying duck about what's your point. I made my point and it's rock solid, it sure revealed how dishonest you are. You got verbally knocked to the ground and then decided to make another, completely irrelevant point. The funniest part was that you acted as if you'd done some great revelation. The Dunning-Kruger effect in full effect.[/QUOTE]Range on bro, rage.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2505511]Variants / mutations do not mean vaccine is rendered ineffective. I posted this earlier in response to you.[/QUOTE]May be but also may be not, what is effectiveness of the yearly flu vaccine around 50%, why because to produce it in April / May / June they take the virus from New Zealand or Australia (winter season there) and develop the vaccine for Europe but some years the virus has mutated and the vaccine is not efficient, why this can not happen with the covid when we already have variant 4?
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2505532]May be but also may be not, what is effectiveness of the yearly flu vaccine around 50%, why because to produce it in April / May / June they take the virus from New Zealand or Australia (winter season there) and develop the vaccine for Europe but some years the virus has mutated and the vaccine is not efficient, why this can not happen with the covid when we already have variant 4?[/QUOTE]Because coronavirus mutates at half to 1/14th the rate of influenza virus. Sure it is possible, but as with all nearly all comparisons to the flu, there is a full order of magnitude that differentiates the two classes of virus.
Variants of viruses are subtypes and not completely different serotypes. The likelihood of a mutation making a vaccine inert is much lower than with the flu.
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[QUOTE=Bfsie;2505437]You are not wrong. Nothing has been fundamentally changed. After corona, FKK clubs will go back to normal like before.[/QUOTE]Many world leaders and important policy makers (eg. Joe Biden, Antony Fauci, Klaus Schwab from the WEF, Tedros from the WHO) disagree and have already publicly stated that a return to the 'old' normal (no face masks, no restrictions, no social distancing) will not happen.
This is the New Normal folks, and a virus that continually mutates (and thus rendering a vaccine pretty much ineffective) will guarantee a 'permanent crisis.'
All dictatorships require a 'permanent crisis' just like communism that continually needs to hunt for "saboteurs" and "counter-revolutionaries. " Of course the real money for the vaxxers is in the continuous treatment and not a one-shot-fix, so they will happily play along with the governments to keep the crisis going.
The FKK days are over folks, better get used to it and dust off that old "Pick Up Artist" book again! LOL!
[URL]https://www.axios.com/fauci-us-not-return-normal-2022-393396c1-7606-4b87-8085-2aa9927bbb52.html[/URL]
[URL]https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/07/1068941[/URL]
Of course they tell you "don't worry, it's only one more year" that's because they are using the salami tactic. Remember, all laws that were passed to enable a dictatorship after some "crisis" were of a "temporary" nature, like the famous Enabling Act of Hitler in 1933. By the time the big majority of dumb sheeple realize what's happening, it will be too late to revolt.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933[/URL]
"Due to the great care that Hitler took to give his dictatorship an appearance of legality, the Enabling Act was renewed twice, in 1937 and 1941. However, its renewal was practically assured since all other parties were banned. Voters were presented with a single list of Nazis and Nazi-approved "guest" candidates under far-from-secret conditions. In 1942, the Reichstag passed a law giving Hitler power of life and death over every citizen, effectively extending the provisions of the Enabling Act for the duration of the war".
See guys? Don't worry, these restrictions are just "temporary!" / sarc.
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Museums, swimming pools, gyms, art galleries closing? No more visits in some elders houses? Sounds like some kind of light lockdown to me!
Thank you mac Adonis you made my day.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2505372]Two excellent eye-opening interviews with Mike Yeadon, the former Chief Scientific Advisor of Pfizer, the company that is now claiming to be making good progress on a vaccine against the SARS-CoV2 virus;.
[URL]https://open.lbry.com/Mike-Yeadon-Unlocked:0[/URL]
[URL]https://odysee.com/@UrbeOscura:8/Dr-Mike-Yeadon-[/URL]'Government-are-using-a-Covid-19-test-with-undeclared-false-positive-rates'-1-:6?are=CVfX67 aax2 t8 ydQ5 qAVV8 wgAd7 d5 fsrp.[/QUOTE]This is actually a fair argument and he makes fair points. The same principles he's talking about are seen in the possible partial immunity that people who received the bcg vaccine have to coronavirus.
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7413058/[/URL]
The problem is that there are very few or perhaps zero population level studies that can validate his theoretical claims. So from a public policy point of view, without solid proof to direct otherwise, you must account for worst case scenarios. That is the problem with suggestions from molecular scientists, they often neglect practical applications of their theories and fail to account for real world scenarios. I'm a big science-based policy proponent, but he's leaving out a key aspect of the scientific method. How many times did he use the word "if" and "think" in this video? That's the hypothesis step. But he leaves out key intermediate steps of experimentation and analysis and skips straight to the conclusion step.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2505558]Many world leaders and important policy makers (eg. Joe Biden, Antony Fauci, Klaus Schwab from the WEF, Tedros from the WHO) disagree and have already publicly stated that a return to the 'old' normal (no face masks, no restrictions, no social distancing) will not happen.
This is the New Normal folks, and a virus that continually mutates (and thus rendering a vaccine pretty much ineffective) will guarantee a 'permanent crisis.'
All dictatorships require a 'permanent crisis' just like communism that continually needs to hunt for "saboteurs" and "counter-revolutionaries. " Of course the real money for the vaxxers is in the continuous treatment and not a one-shot-fix, so they will happily play along with the governments to keep the crisis going.
The FKK days are over folks, better get used to it and dust off that old "Pick Up Artist" book again! LOL!
[URL]https://www.axios.com/fauci-us-not-return-normal-2022-393396c1-7606-4b87-8085-2aa9927bbb52.html[/URL].[/QUOTE]Well, let's wait and see what happens this time in 2021. If FKKs are not back to normal (as they were in same time in 2019), we can all say that you were 100% correct in your prediction.
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Keep Trying Hammer
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2505372]Two excellent eye-opening interviews with Mike Yeadon, the former Chief Scientific Advisor of Pfizer, the company that is now claiming to be making good progress on a vaccine against the SARS-CoV2 virus;.
[URL]https://open.lbry.com/Mike-Yeadon-Unlocked:0[/URL]
[URL]https://odysee.com/@UrbeOscura:8/Dr-Mike-Yeadon-[/URL]'Government-are-using-a-Covid-19-test-with-undeclared-false-positive-rates'-1-:6?are=CVfX67 aax2 t8 ydQ5 qAVV8 wgAd7 d5 fsrp.[/QUOTE]There's always going to be fringe hacks like Yeardon that seek attention by telling fringe malcontents what they want to hear. But if you are so intent on diving in without delay, by all means do so as there are plenty of hookers the world over offering service at this time. There's no reason to try and convince a relatively small community of mongers that 99% of the world's contagious disease specialists have gotten it all wrong.
"Yeadon's central assertion is that, by his calculations, a large proportion of the population have already had the virus (32% have prior immunity to it through exposure to other coronaviruses (30% or are too young to spread the virus (10% This, he says, leaves relatively few (28%) susceptible.
While Yeadon admits in his report that the precise numbers are not "mathematically perfect", they could, if true, mean we already have herd immunity (typically estimated to require 60%-70% of the population to be immune). We could all get back to life as normal. Everything could reopen; social distancing, testing, and vaccines would be unnecessary; and we could return to our terrible former hygiene habits.
Sadly, we cannot. Yeadon's claims are riddled with leaps of logic and illustrated with highly inflated, speculative statistics that most infectious disease experts dispute, and which are being disproved by the explosion of second waves across Europe. To understand why he's so wrong, we need to address his claims about how many people have already had Covid, the alleged existence of prior immunity, and whether false positives explain the second waves."
Entire article is linked below. What's the latest with the mink? Wink.
[URL]https://unherd.com/2020/11/the-trouble-with-covid-denialism/[/URL]
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Lolol
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2505558]This is the New Normal folks, and a virus that continually mutates (and thus rendering a vaccine pretty much ineffective) will guarantee a 'permanent crisis.' [/QUOTE]You've already been corrected on this point several times, yet choose to continue lying to this monger community. What's your motive? It doesn't follow that because viruses mutate that vaccines or immunities will quickly become ineffective. The Measles virus like SARS-2 is a single strand RNA virus which mutates, and the vaccine has been effective since the 1960's. You have a non-sequitor going, just as you have with your false comparisons to the flu.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2505558]All dictatorships require a 'permanent crisis' just like communism that continually needs to hunt for "saboteurs" and "counter-revolutionaries. " [/QUOTE]Gotcha, so from that you launch into red baiting and global conspiracy theories. Have you considered Thorazine?
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2505567]Museums, swimming pools, gyms, art galleries closing? No more visits in some elders houses? Sounds like some kind of light lockdown to me!
Thank you mac Adonis you made my day.[/QUOTE]You're wrong matter how you try to twist and turn it.
You claimed that they changed their strategy, but the restrictions are close to exactly the same as in March / April. I guess the definition of a lockdown changed from then to now. Sure, call it a "light lockdown", but in that case we had a light lockdown in March as well.
Let's review McAdon's link: [URL]https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=7604590[/URL].
"Sweden's first and third-largest cities are closing public swimming pools, gyms and museums to the general public as well as limiting the number of visitors to local libraries to slow the spread of Covid-19. ".
"Public gyms", not all gyms. Public gyms. They probably constitute 1-10% of the total number of gyms.
[URL]https://www.dn.se/ekonomi/sa-reagerar-handeln-pa-de-nya-coronarestriktioner/[/URL]
"Shops, gyms and malls are not affected by the Governments new restrictions."
This is why humility is so important, you read but you haven't really understood what you read.
So I say it again people are allowed to move freely, 90-99% of the gyms, malls, restaurants, massage parlors and schools are open.
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Many world leaders and important policy makers (eg. Joe Biden, Antony Fauci, Klaus Schwab from the WEF, Tedros from the WHO) disagree and have already publicly stated that a return to the 'old' normal (no face masks, no restrictions, no social distancing) will not happen.
This is the New Normal folks, and a virus that continually mutates (and thus rendering a vaccine pretty much ineffective) will guarantee a 'permanent crisis. '.
All dictatorships require a 'permanent crisis' just like communism that continually needs to hunt for "saboteurs" and "counter-revolutionaries. " Of course the real money for the vaxxers is in the continuous treatment and not a one-shot-fix, so they will happily play along with the governments to keep the crisis going.
The FKK days are over folks, better get used to it and dust off that old "Pick Up Artist" book again! LOL!
In such a terrible crisis the rule of the politicians is also to give hope to the people so many are desperate, they have to quarantine sometimes in overcrowded small apartments, with revenue issues. For me it has nothing to do with dictators manipulations they just try to control the pademy and to limit the number of people entering the hospital to limit the terrible death rate. Why always trying to find excuses by the others (politicians) and not to see what is wrong with us? For example more and more people concentrate in big cities (sometimes overcrowded), why so many people prefer to migrate to other countries or continents when it would be better to stay in their own place and develop the things there. For sure this 2 big drivers concentration in big cities, migration will increase the number of crisis like Covid.
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[QUOTE=Tuber19;2505547]With good news about Vaccine and high effective rate, When do you expect FKK reopen again?
January?
February?
March?
April?[/QUOTE]If the vaccine is really efficient is still a big doubt, if yes we can say the normal life could be there in 1 year, most probably the FKK could reopen before like this year but if a third wave will occur they will close again.
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[QUOTE=Tuber19;2505547]With good news about Vaccine and high effective rate, When do you expect FKK reopen again?
January?
February?
March?
April?[/QUOTE]The FKK days are over, better get used to the "New Normal" and dust off that old "Pick Up Artist" book again! LOL!
Read what Dr Fauci and Dr Tedros have to say;.
[URL]https://www.axios.com/fauci-us-not-r...9927bbb52.html[/URL]
[URL]https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/07/1068941[/URL]
Of course they tell you "don't worry, it's only one more year" that's because they are using the salami tactic. If they tell people the cold hard truth straight away then they will revolt.
Remember all laws that were passed to enable a dictatorship after some "crisis" were of a "temporary" nature, like the famous Enabling Act of Hitler in 1933 or all the laws Stalin passed in order to establish his personal dictatorship? By the time the big majority of dumb sheeple finally figure out what's happening, it will be too late to revolt. Last week, the German Parliament passed a draconian new "Infection Protection Law," that basically transforms Germany into a police state whenever a handful of unelected bureaucrats decide that a flu is becoming a pandemic-scamdemic-plandemic-casedemic. (delete as appropriate).
[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-can-germanys-infection-protectionlaw-be-compared-to-the-nazis-enabling-act/a-55649748[/URL]
Of course, the German State Media (DW is paid for by tax money) doesn't see any problem with the new law, which is analogous to a student grading his / her own exam or asking the fox to guard the henhouse. History has shown that Germans can not be trusted with authoritarian governments and during the last +- 100 years Germans have never been very clever and smart about recognising dictatorships; not under the Kaiser, not under Hitler and not in the DDR. Therefore the elevated opinion Germans hold of themselves should be largely disregarded.
See guys? Don't worry, these restrictions are just "temporary" while the authorities continue to move the goalposts, move deadlines and restrict your freedoms. FKKs opening soon! / sarc.
More info about the Enabling Act:
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933[/URL]
"Due to the great care that Hitler took to give his dictatorship an appearance of legality, the Enabling Act was renewed twice, in 1937 and 1941. However, its renewal was practically assured since all other parties were banned. Voters were presented with a single list of Nazis and Nazi-approved "guest" candidates under far-from-secret conditions. In 1942, the Reichstag passed a law giving Hitler power of life and death over every citizen, effectively extending the provisions of the Enabling Act for the duration of the war".
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Photos of Governor of California, completely disregarding COVID rules
As George Orwell wrote in Animal Farm: "all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. ".
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk-O2Td-CzA[/URL]
No face masks, no social distancing, large group of people dining indoors. This is how serious the political elite treat this 'deadly' PlanDemic!
COVID 1984 is so deadly that you need a bogus PCR test to see if you have the virus in the first place.
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Perhaps
Good points. Corruption is rampant. Dictators love to take advantage etc. History does not always repeat though. And as much as we like to think, facts don't sway most people. There are competing forces that are both very powerful to open and to close our lives. A good argument can be made that these vaccines will be our "saving face" moment. That is, whether they are highly efficacious or not the media will talk up their goodness, sweep the bad under the rug and allow the pharmaceutical companies vast new levels of power setting up databases for health records globally of all vaccinated (mandated). Getting that database and allowing things to return could be a win win for the corrupt creeps that rule the planet.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2505742]The FKK days are over, better get used to the "New Normal" and dust off that old "Pick Up Artist" book again! LOL!
Read what Dr Fauci and Dr Tedros have to say;.
[URL]https://www.axios.com/fauci-us-not-r...9927bbb52.html[/URL]
[URL]https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/07/1068941[/URL]
Of course they tell you "don't worry, it's only one more year" that's because they are using the salami tactic. If they tell people the cold hard truth straight away then they will revolt.
Remember all laws that were passed to enable a dictatorship after some "crisis" were of a "temporary" nature, like the famous Enabling Act of Hitler in 1933 or all the laws Stalin passed in order to establish his personal dictatorship? By the time the big majority of dumb sheeple finally figure out what's happening, it will be too late to revolt. Last week, the German Parliament passed a draconian new "Infection Protection Law," that basically transforms Germany into a police state whenever a handful of unelected bureaucrats decide that a flu is becoming a pandemic-scamdemic-plandemic-casedemic. (delete as appropriate).
[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-can-germanys-infection-protectionlaw-be-compared-to-the-nazis-enabling-act/a-55649748[/URL]
Of course, the German State Media (DW is paid for by tax money) doesn't see any problem with the new law, which is analogous to a student grading his / her own exam or asking the fox to guard the henhouse. History has shown that Germans can not be trusted with authoritarian governments and during the last +- 100 years Germans have never been very clever and smart about recognising dictatorships; not under the Kaiser, not under Hitler and not in the DDR. Therefore the elevated opinion Germans hold of themselves should be largely disregarded.
See guys? Don't worry, these restrictions are just "temporary" while the authorities continue to move the goalposts, move deadlines and restrict your freedoms. FKKs opening soon! / sarc.
More info about the Enabling Act:
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933[/URL]
"Due to the great care that Hitler took to give his dictatorship an appearance of legality, the Enabling Act was renewed twice, in 1937 and 1941. However, its renewal was practically assured since all other parties were banned. Voters were presented with a single list of Nazis and Nazi-approved "guest" candidates under far-from-secret conditions. In 1942, the Reichstag passed a law giving Hitler power of life and death over every citizen, effectively extending the provisions of the Enabling Act for the duration of the war".[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2505742]The FKK days are over, better get used to the "New Normal" and dust off that old "Pick Up Artist" book again! LOL!
.[/QUOTE]WOOOW, that is a very pessimistic outlook for the Covid crises, calm down man everything will be back to normal sooner or later.
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Agree. With 2 major firms announcing 95% effective vaccines (and 3-5 following suit), things ought to be much better in April and progressing smoothly into green by summer. I very much expect FKK to open up again by May 1st at the very latest. Local government cannot risk another lawsuit against them (remember that the reopening of FKK in NRW was due to a lawsuit). So things will likely open up sooner.
Here my schedule:
Opening up by Feb 1st. ? very unlikely. Maybe for a silly 10 day period over Christmas. It is actually being discussed to lighten up the lockdown over Christmas. Stupid politicians.
Mar 1st -- unlikely.
Apr 1st. Possibly.
May 1st likely.
June 1st certainly.
[QUOTE=Tuber19;2505886]WOOOW, that is a very pessimistic outlook for the Covid crises, calm down everything will be back to normal sooner or later.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;2505879]sweep the bad under the rug and allow the pharmaceutical companies vast new levels of power setting up databases for health records globally of all vaccinated (mandated). Getting that database and allowing things to return could be a win win for the corrupt creeps that rule the planet.[/QUOTE]So how is that different than now where nearly every Western child since at least the 80's has had mandatory vaccinations. Eastern and Pacific nations at one point mandated BCG vaccines for Tuberculosis. Most of the developed world has had mandatory vaccinations and records thereof for decades. And besides declaring recent acute illnesses, allergies, and certain vaccine specific health questions, I've never had to list my medical history when receiving a vaccine. Really, what would be different with a coronavirus vaccine?
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2505719]You're wrong matter how you try to twist and turn it.
You claimed that they changed their strategy, but the restrictions are close to exactly the same as in March / April. I guess the definition of a lockdown changed from then to now. Sure, call it a "light lockdown", but in that case we had a light lockdown in March as well.
Let's review McAdon's link: [URL]https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=7604590[/URL].
"Sweden's first and third-largest cities are closing public swimming pools, gyms and museums to the general public as well as limiting the number of visitors to local libraries to slow the spread of Covid-19. ".
"Public gyms", not all gyms. Public gyms. They probably constitute 1-10% of the total number of gyms..[/QUOTE]So what's your end goal here with these posts? To assert that nothing has changed in Sweden from 2 months ago? Or to assert that no mitigation efforts are justified? Or to suggest that Sweden has made no mitigation efforts at all? How about we set a permanent goal post for whatever it is you are trying to convince everyone here. Let's be specific.
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USA like China?
Now that USA will have a China backed President starting January 2021, how long do you think it will take USA to become like China? Do you think this (below) is an example and only a start?
"Los Angeles to shut off water and power to homes hosting large parties or gatherings" ([URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/los-angeles-shut-off-water-power-houses-hosting-large-parties-gatherings/[/URL]).
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Here's a prediction for US covid numbers. We will see a lull in cases in the upcoming holiday week to be followed with a dramatic explosion in December. Christmas 2020 in America will see a new height in the crisis. Depending on how people react to the December crisis, January could be even worse, much worse.
In post-Christmas Christian Europe, without even more radical legislation and effective enforcement of policy, it's all but guaranteed that they will see the most wide spread wave across the continent yet.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2505730]............The FKK days are over folks, better get used to it and dust off that old "Pick Up Artist" book again! LOL!.........[/QUOTE]OH NO! I could never go back to that for picking up chicks. I have gotten so used to my wallet doing all the talking. If it is as you say then its wankee doodle for me.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2505719]This is why humility is so important, you read but you haven't really understood what you read.[/QUOTE]Says the guy who has been constantly insulting all the guys who dare to contradict him, describing the people of Southern Europe as a burden and parasites [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4160-Rants-and-WTF-are-you-talking-about-and-Coronavirus!&p=2447226&viewfull=1#post2447226[/URL] (yet he goes to Madrid to get his cock sucked) , praising Trump and Bolsonaro and using the same words as the orange golfer (shithole country for instance). He even qualified "LE Monde" as a fake news media while he's playing with his willy watching Fox News. [URL]https://www.britannica.com/topic/Le-Monde[/URL].
[QUOTE]Lockdown :
an official order to control the movement of people or vehicles because of a dangerous situation[/QUOTE]Source: [URL]https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/american_english/lockdown[/URL].
I bet there is only one public museum in Stockholm with a maximum capacity of 3 people according to you no? Because closing the museums sounds like trying to control the movement of people to me!
[QUOTE]Humilty :
the quality of not thinking that you are better than other people; the quality of being humble[/QUOTE]You should really try harder!
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Newness
The newness of it would be that this would be a registry for everyone in the western world who wants to do "public" things like travel, go to concerts, bars, hotels. You would have to stay up to date on corona vaccines, boosters, etc and that would be a very new thing. That would also seem to be something that would make their trouble of destroying economies around the world worth it to them. Tracking and making huge profits off the hapless public. At that point why would they want to keep the tyranny going?
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2506026]So how is that different than now where nearly every Western child since at least the 80's has had mandatory vaccinations. Eastern and Pacific nations at one point mandated BCG vaccines for Tuberculosis. Most of the developed world has had mandatory vaccinations and records thereof for decades. And besides declaring recent acute illnesses, allergies, and certain vaccine specific health questions, I've never had to list my medical history when receiving a vaccine. Really, what would be different with a coronavirus vaccine?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;2506115]The newness of it would be that this would be a registry for everyone in the western world who wants to do "public" things like travel, go to concerts, bars, hotels. You would have to stay up to date on corona vaccines, boosters, etc and that would be a very new thing. That would also seem to be something that would make their trouble of destroying economies around the world worth it to them. Tracking and making huge profits off the hapless public. At that point why would they want to keep the tyranny going?[/QUOTE]So it sounds that the threat of concern is specifically mandatory coronavirus vaccination for travel? Is this headed the way of a "slippery slope" debate? Or is it the coronavirus vaccine that specifically concerns you?
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Neither particularly
Neither is that concerning to me. I am just trying to counter the catastrophic argument that this lockdown will never end by saying it seems likely the western world will be put in a new paradigm of registry and tracking with annual vaccines. And with that in place we'll be allowed to go about mongering and traveling etc like we used to. That scenario seems most likely to me.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2506139]So it sounds that the threat of concern is specifically mandatory coronavirus vaccination for travel? Is this headed the way of a "slippery slope" debate? Or is it the coronavirus vaccine that specifically concerns you?[/QUOTE]
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Another perspective about vaccinations.
For all the "vaccine" fanboys expecting a summer 2021 FKK fun in Germany, here's what the mainstream media is not telling you;.
[URL]https://www.rt.com/news/507829-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-questions/[/URL]
"What AstraZeneca did, though, was to secure full indemnity from all damages in most countries that struck vaccine-supply deals with the company. Such agreements were reached in July, well before the somewhat puzzling test data arrived. "
This is most disturbing, because there is absolutely zero incentive for these vaccination companies to "get it right. " If they fuck up with the vaccine and you develop serious side effects in a few years time, then there are zero consequences for Big Pharma companies. Because they will be immune for getting sued. This leaves the door wide open for fraudulently manipulating "trials" in order to push the share price, allowing a few people to get rich quick, because if they get caught then they will be immune from any criminal prosecution, thanks to Trump's Operation Warp Speed.
It's like paying a hooker E1000 in advance for a E50 session, and hoping that you get E950 back after 30 minutes. While being surrounded by 10 muscular "boyfriends" of this hooker. You'll have zero chance! Crazy sex addicts here are so scared into wanting a highly controversial and highly experimental mRNA vaccine for a simple flu with a infection mortality rate of 0,05% so they can fuck some hookers in the short term, that they are completely ignoring the possibility that perhaps in a few years time they might develops serious auto-immune problems.
[URL]https://mises.org/wire/what-covid-vaccine-hype-fails-mention[/URL]
"Cases" were defined by positive polymerase chain reaction (PCR) testing. There was no information about the cycle number for the PCR tests. "
"There is no evidence, yet, that the vaccine prevented any hospitalizations or any deaths. The Moderna announcement claimed that eleven cases in the control group were "severe" disease, but "severe" was not defined. "
"There is no information about how long any protective benefit from the vaccine would persist."
"There is no information about safety. None."
"My colleagues include resident physicians and faculty physicians who work with covid patients on a daily basis. I have asked a number of my colleagues whether they will be first in line for the new vaccine. I have yet to hear any of my colleagues respond affirmatively."
"The reasons for hesitancy are that the uncertainties about safety exceed what they perceive to be a small benefit. In other words, my colleagues would prefer to take their chances with covid rather than beta test the vaccine."
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Everyone knows that Russia today is a very reliable media. Do you have the opinion of the dudes from Qanon? I trust them with my life.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2506222]For all the "vaccine" fanboys expecting a summer 2021 FKK fun in Germany, here's what the mainstream media is not telling you;.
[URL]https://www.rt.com/news/507829-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-questions/[/URL]
"What AstraZeneca did, though, was to secure full indemnity from all damages in most countries that struck vaccine-supply deals with the company. Such agreements were reached in July, well before the somewhat puzzling test data arrived. "
This is most disturbing, because there is absolutely zero incentive for these vaccination companies to "get it right. " If they fuck up with the vaccine and you develop serious side effects in a few years time, then there are zero consequences for Big Pharma companies. Because they will be immune for getting sued. This leaves the door wide open for fraudulently manipulating "trials" in order to push the share price, allowing a few people to get rich quick, because if they get caught then they will be immune from any criminal prosecution, thanks to Trump's Operation Warp Speed.[/QUOTE]You had to resort to finding an article in Russia Today to support your delusional thoughts about vaccines? Have you heard of the stock markets and shares going up and down based on companies performance? What do you think the investors would do if AstraZeneca fails, buying more shares? I'm sure you know that RT is trying to praise the Russia's vaccine over the others, right? Of course you do and you have written this post just to see if we spotted it!
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2506222] It's like paying a hooker E1000 in advance for a E50 session, and hoping that you get E950 back after 30 minutes. While being surrounded by 10 muscular "boyfriends" of this hooker. You'll have zero chance! Crazy sex addicts here are so scared into wanting a highly controversial and highly experimental mRNA vaccine for a simple flu with a infection mortality rate of 0,05% so they can fuck some hookers in the short term, that they are completely ignoring the possibility that perhaps in a few years time they might develops serious auto-immune problems.[/QUOTE]Long-term efficacy and safety of any product can only be evaluated over time and I hope you understand this concept! The evaluation and approval processes of new products is much more stringent now, but you are welcome to go into crowds and shag every escort you come across. After all is only a flu and if you are still not doing so, you are the usual coward Trumpian wanker willing to put his own habits over other people's safety.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2506222] [URL]https://mises.org/wire/what-covid-vaccine-hype-fails-mention[/URL]
"Cases" were defined by positive polymerase chain reaction (PCR) testing. There was no information about the cycle number for the PCR tests. "[/QUOTE]Even by your standards, this is the most idiotic quote to report here. PCR amplification is done by standard protocols!
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2506222]"There is no evidence, yet, that the vaccine prevented any hospitalizations or any deaths. The Moderna announcement claimed that eleven cases in the control group were "severe" disease, but "severe" was not defined. "[/QUOTE]The data has not been published in peer-reviewed medical journals and therefore it must be considered unchecked at this moment in time. So far we only have the results that the manufacturers have communicated because they still have to submit the data to a medical journal, where it will be checked in detail.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2506222]"There is no information about how long any protective benefit from the vaccine would persist."[/QUOTE]To confirm how long it will last you need something called time and this is true for any new product coming into the market.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2506222]"There is no information about safety. None."[/QUOTE]There is actually, as that is the whole point of conducting clinical trials around the world, but it's not been published yet.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2506222]"My colleagues include resident physicians and faculty physicians who work with covid patients on a daily basis. I have asked a number of my colleagues whether they will be first in line for the new vaccine. I have yet to hear any of my colleagues respond affirmatively."[/QUOTE]Speculative and inconclusive I can say the same thing of the opposite with my hospital colleagues.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2506222]"The reasons for hesitancy are that the uncertainties about safety exceed what they perceive to be a small benefit. In other words, my colleagues would prefer to take their chances with covid rather than beta test the vaccine."[/QUOTE]That is the principle of natural selection, only the well equipped (mentally and physically) will survive and transmit genes to the next generations and I won't be sorry to lose some anti-vaxxers from this world over the next few weeks. I would actually celebrate it!
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2506222]For all the "vaccine" fanboys expecting a summer 2021 FKK fun in Germany, here's what the mainstream media is not telling you;.[/QUOTE]Question. Why is it that the antivaxxers never cite the overwhelming number of vaccination success stories.
Smallpox, polio, measles, mumps, rubella, varicella, yellow fever, HPV, etc.
Why is that?
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2506040]Says the guy who has been constantly insulting all the guys who dare to contradict him, describing the people of Southern Europe as a burden and parasites [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4160-Rants-and-WTF-are-you-talking-about-and-Coronavirus!&p=2447226&viewfull=1#post2447226[/URL] (yet he goes to Madrid to get his cock sucked) , praising Trump and Bolsonaro and using the same words as the orange golfer (shithole country for instance). He even qualified "LE Monde" as a fake news media while he's playing with his willy watching Fox News. [URL]https://www.britannica.com/topic/Le-Monde[/URL].
Source: [URL]https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/american_english/lockdown[/URL].
I bet there is only one public museum in Stockholm with a maximum capacity of 3 people according to you no? Because closing the museums sounds like trying to control the movement of people to me!
You should really try harder![/QUOTE]You should take a look at yourself and your childish insults.
OK, you're saying that it's a lockdown because the museums are closed. It doesn't matter that the restaurants, gyms, massage joints, shops and malls are open. Good for you.
Spain is a great country if you're a fan of irresponsible politicians and their unbalanced budgets (200 billion euros in deficit over the past five years), corruption, political prisoners, Erdogan and Turkey.
We are paying big money to the EU while Spain and the other shithole countries in the south receive money to be members. Yet they come running to the EU begging for more money, how are they not a burden?!
Don't get me started on France, their colonial past and current maniac for president. Anyways, what's up with the ridiculous move from Brussels to Strasbourg every year?! Maybe if France paid as much as Sweden per capita you would've had a different view of things. More over the EU is a scam with their agricultural support which undoubtedly benefits France greatly. Close to 25% of the agricultural budget goes to French farmers. It's disgraceful how France sneak away from taking their share of the responsibility. Sweden contributes with twice as much as France per capita.
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2400 deaths yesterday, more than 260.000 deaths, Trump is a real winner, he is number 1 for covid in the world, when we don't know truth about figures in China, but now party with no mask in Wuhan. Improving decreasing covid figures in France, but 149 women were killed by husband, ex husband, or BF in 2019 , after 120 in 2018 , and so many women are beaten at home. Just a shame for men, at least for French men, with some women saying: I was only a mother, but not a woman.
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[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;2506188]Neither is that concerning to me. I am just trying to counter the catastrophic argument that this lockdown will never end by saying it seems likely the western world will be put in a new paradigm of registry and tracking with annual vaccines. And with that in place we'll be allowed to go about mongering and traveling etc like we used to. That scenario seems most likely to me.[/QUOTE]Definitely a very real possibility regarding the future of travel. If it turns out that vaccination efficacy declines over the years, this scenario would likely be the new normal. If another microbial pandemic pops up in the next decade, I believe that it would be guaranteed that mandatory immunization records be as commonplace as passports and identification cards.
Increase profits by the pharmaceutical companies will definitely be a hot topic issue. I guess that loosely translates to some sort of power grab? But besides benefiting from profits from a steady flow of mandatory vaccines across the globe, I don't really see where they will gain "vast new levels of power."
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[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;2506188]Neither is that concerning to me. I am just trying to counter the catastrophic argument that this lockdown will never end by saying it seems likely the western world will be put in a new paradigm of registry and tracking with annual vaccines. And with that in place we'll be allowed to go about mongering and traveling etc like we used to. That scenario seems most likely to me.[/QUOTE]How would mandatory CV19 vaccines introduce anything new from a registration and tracking perspective? Since Sept 11, you need to scan some form of government issue identification card for both domestic and international flights. If you drive across an international border, you need to undergo this same scanning process. The proof of CV19 vaccine certificate would then just become an additional form of identification (or entry requirement), right? Depending on your home country or destination country, you need to fill out additional visa forms. And seems most African countries already require inbound travellers to provide proof of yellow fever and or malaria vaccination.
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[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;2506188]Neither is that concerning to me. I am just trying to counter the catastrophic argument that this lockdown will never end by saying it seems likely the western world will be put in a new paradigm of registry and tracking with annual vaccines. And with that in place we'll be allowed to go about mongering and traveling etc like we used to. That scenario seems most likely to me.[/QUOTE]You are probably right about the leisure / touristy travels or even the business travels for sales (some competitive situations), but I doubt all those non-sales / conference-attendee type business travels will come back anytime soon, even after most people get vaccinated. Mongers who were using such non-sales / conference-attendee type business travels as a cover (from their families) to enjoy FKKs, will probably have to find other excuses to travel to Germany or any mongering destinations.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2506310]Question. Why is it that the antivaxxers never cite the overwhelming number of vaccination success stories.
Smallpox, polio, measles, mumps, rubella, varicella, yellow fever, HPV, etc.
Why is that?[/QUOTE]About these rushing vaccines for big business to come for pharma and countries which invested billions: Pfizer and Moderna even a French boss, or Astra, when they want to rush to vaccine first old weak people and at health risk, meaning also weak health people, without really knowing about effects, I really wish they won t kill too many from vaccine. I never take medicine, my only medicine is my way of life, I won t rush for rushing vaccine, I think I would prefer to fight virus with my little soldiers inside my body, when for sure my lungs are as clean as a baby. I wanted to go to clean them more for Christmas, making intense violent efforts in high altitude, but no ski allowed for Christmas, when at the moment, no snow yet, and Merkel I often agree with except about Erdogan and now when she says ski resorts to stay close whole Winter, can t have second Winter with no ski, would be too dangerous for future.
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The Coronavirus
2020........year of the pandemic.
2021........year of recovery.
2022. ......year of getting back to normal.
2023........normal.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2506465]About these rushing vaccines for big business to come for pharma and countries which invested billions: Pfizer and Moderna even a French boss, or Astra, when they want to rush to vaccine first old weak people and at health risk, meaning also weak health people, without really knowing about effects, I really wish they won t kill too many from vaccine. I never take medicine, my only medicine is my way of life, I won t rush for rushing vaccine, I think I would prefer to fight virus with my little soldiers inside my body, when for sure my lungs are as clean as a baby. I wanted to go to clean them more for Christmas, making intense violent efforts in high altitude, but no ski allowed for Christmas, when at the moment, no snow yet, and Merkel I often agree with except about Erdogan and now when she says ski resorts to stay close whole Winter, can t have second Winter with no ski, would be too dangerous for future.[/QUOTE]What good is all of that cardio when you can't even do 1 pull up.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2506441]You are probably right about the leisure / touristy travels or even the business travels for sales (some competitive situations), but I doubt all those non-sales / conference-attendee type business travels will come back anytime soon, even after most people get vaccinated. Mongers who were using such non-sales / conference-attendee type business travels as a cover (from their families) to enjoy FKKs, will probably have to find other excuses to travel to Germany or any mongering destinations.[/QUOTE]I will never understand why married guys or having a GF have to fuck prostitutes, if they are not happy in their relation better to divorce or to find a new GF, fucking prostitutes is bringing 0 solution except emptying the balls and spending money.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2506332]OK, you're saying that it's a lockdown because the museums are closed. It doesn't matter that the restaurants, gyms, massage joints, shops and malls are open. Good for you.[/QUOTE]Some gyms are closing actually. But if you prefer we can talk about "partial lockdown" like Bloomberg [URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-11/sweden-imposes-partial-lockdown-of-bars-with-alcohol-curfew[/URL] (fake news media?) . I have to admit that I'm rather fond of the expression 'light lockdown', just like the Huffington post [URL]https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/sweden-coronavirus-lockdown-did-not-work_uk_5ed75fdfc5b6a209e0b9d271[/URL] (libtard media from a shithole country?
[QUOTE]Spain is a great country if you're a fan of irresponsible politicians and their unbalanced budgets (200 billion euros in deficit over the past five years), corruption, political prisoners...We are paying big money to the EU while Spain and the other shithole countries in the south receive money to be members.[/QUOTE]I guess you say it proudly in their face everytime you go to Madrid to get laid because it's forbidden in your heaven on earth.
[QUOTE] Erdogan and Turkey.[/QUOTE]Isn't he some kind of turkish version of your models Trump and Bolsonaro?
[QUOTE]Don't get me started on France, their colonial past and current maniac for president.[/QUOTE]That's the only point where you are not totally wrong but if you want to look at history, I suggest that you think at how the iron ore your country sold to Germany during WWII was used to build weapons and some other stuff to exterminate innocent civilians.
[QUOTE]Anyways, what's up with the ridiculous move from Brussels to Strasbourg every year?[/QUOTE]That's because no one with a little bit of common sense wants to go to Sweden!
[QUOTE]Close to 25% of the agricultural budget goes to French farmers. [/QUOTE]I see that you're not very gifted with numbers (and more widely with logic and argumentation) because according to this source: [URL]https://www.europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/104/the-common-agricultural-policy-in-figures[/URL] (5th chart), that's more something like 17 %, and since France has around 16% of the agricultural surfaces of EU (2nd chart), it doesn't seem that abnormal. Or maybe that in the alternate universe you created where the sun revolves around Sweden, the figures are different?
One last thing about numbers, 200 Billion euros means 200 x 10 power 9 euros and if I look at this document, [URL]https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/10294656/2-22042020-AP-FR.pdf[/URL], I find something like 150 Million euros over the last 4 years. That's 150 x10 power 6. Maybe you're not able to count after 100 which explains a lot of things.
Like for instance, the herd immunity you were constantly bragging about in most of your posts some months ago [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3946-Stupid-shit-in-Medellin&p=2474792&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2474792.
[QUOTE] It's rather obvious that we're getting close to herd immunity in Sweden. We've beaten the virus.[/QUOTE]Because, well, not really. According to this: [URL]https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0141076820945282[/URL] 'Four months into the COVID-19 pandemic, Sweden's prized herd immunity is nowhere in sight ' (this title is great don't you think?) and also according to this, [URL]https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02948-4[/URL] :
[QUOTE]We have to face reality never before have we reached herd immunity via natural infection with a novel virus, and SARS-CoV-2 is unfortunately no different.[/QUOTE]
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There is social life in front of others, but when you are not able to give pleasure to your woman, then you are boring for sex for her and she prefers to play headache to avoid boring emptying balls, when, on the other hand, you are able to give her pleasure, she will say: I wait you. So many married guys say WGs who don't believe I'm not. But when I had a girlfriend, I really didn't need prostitutes, because I made my girlfriends being higher level for me.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2506332]Maybe if France paid as much as Sweden per capita you would've had a different view of things. More over the EU is a scam with their agricultural support which undoubtedly benefits France greatly. Close to 25% of the agricultural budget goes to French farmers. It's disgraceful how France sneak away from taking their share of the responsibility. Sweden contributes with twice as much as France per capita.[/QUOTE]Maths in school must have been really tough for you, from the 1st grade until the 10th grade when you left.
Here is a very interesting website: [URL]https://ec.europa.eu/budget/graphs/revenue_expediture.html[/URL] (yes that's not Fox news and there are many complicated numbers).
First start with total expenditure. Look at France, 15085.6 M (it means millions, it's a 1 with lots of 0 behind) then Sweden, 1705.2 (same unit, don't try to understand exactly what it means it's too far away from your understanding range). Then take the two populations, 66.99 M in France and 10.23 M in Sweden (2019 source Eurostat).
And make a division. Or ask mommy to do it for you. You get 225.2 for France and 166.7 for Sweden. Did you teacher succeed in explaining you how to compare 4 digits numbers?
I know that you will answer that you were talking about how Sweden pays more for agriculture than France and that I am a total moron.
So use the little plastic box with buttons next to your computer (it's called a mouse), click on 'total expenditure' and choose 2. 0. 1 EAGF and 2. 0. 2 EAFRD. There are the two funds for Common Agricultural Policy (source [URL]https://ec.europa.eu/info/food-farming-fisheries/key-policies/common-agricultural-policy/financing-cap/cap-funds_en[/URL]).
You will have to do something very hard, an addition. You'll find total expenditure for agriculture 9543.7 M for France and 935.2 M for Sweden.
Then you will have to make a new division by the population of each country (that's the first time in your life that you do so complicated maths am I right?) and voila, you find 142.5 for France and 91.4 for Swede! Do you understand what it means? It means than in 2019 France gave 142.5 for each one of its citizens to support agriculture in Europe and Swede only 91.4. And more widely France gave 225.2 for each one of its citizens to the European Union and Sweden only 166.7.
So next time you have one of your bad temper crisis, I suggest that you give a reliable source with each one of the arguments you give because for me, most of the time they have only been lies.
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I should apologise to ShooBree for once because I just realized that I mixed the lines (that's probably the only time I'll do that). It's late and I'm tired but using the good figures (income and not expenditure) shows that France gave EU around 340 euros per citizen and Sweden around 350 so we're still far away from what he said (two times more). So his argument is still incorrect but so were mines.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2506572]I will never understand why married guys or having a GF have to fuck prostitutes, if they are not happy in their relation better to divorce or to find a new GF, fucking prostitutes is bringing 0 solution except emptying the balls and spending money.[/QUOTE]Are you a real man? Or you are a woman! LOL.
I doubt a real man really don't understand why man wants fuck many women, its natural.
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Shame on me second mistake, he was right about the deficit of Spain, I'm the idiot confusing millions and billions.
So there is one true fact in all of his posts from the last months. Good lesson learned: never answer him just before going to bed.
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[QUOTE=Tuber19;2506602]Are you a real man? Or you are a woman! LOL.
I doubt a real man really don't understand why man wants fuck many women, its natural.[/QUOTE]I prefer to have only 1 real woman than many prostitutes. I run away from prostitutes looks or behavior, or porn dolls looking like stolen cars.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2506465]About these rushing vaccines for big business to come for pharma and countries which invested billions: Pfizer and Moderna even a French boss, or Astra, when they want to rush to vaccine first old weak people and at health risk, meaning also weak health people, without really knowing about effects, I really wish they won t kill too many from vaccine. I never take medicine, my only medicine is my way of life, I won t rush for rushing vaccine, I think I would prefer to fight virus with my little soldiers inside my body, when for sure my lungs are as clean as a baby. I wanted to go to clean them more for Christmas, making intense violent efforts in high altitude, but no ski allowed for Christmas, when at the moment, no snow yet, and Merkel I often agree with except about Erdogan and now when she says ski resorts to stay close whole Winter, can t have second Winter with no ski, would be too dangerous for future.[/QUOTE]This will be a really bad winter for you. No skiing and no FKK girls.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2506727]This will be a really bad winter for you. No skiing and no FKK girls.[/QUOTE]Since June when reopened, I visited nearly weekly in Switzerland, Austria and Germany, except on my holidays when I prefer my mountains sports. Only Switzerland now opened ski, when France, Italy and Germany stay closed and Austria not yet opening when this is country of ski. Almost no ski on last Winter, same to happen at least for Christmas, no Christmas present for me, when free riding in rocks on fresh, not hard solid enough snow which would slide under pressure below me, would be too dangerous in my Verbier spots, if they open lifts to reach Mont Gelé and Mont Fort Bec des Rosses. More safe in early April when snow is harder and more solid from Winter cold, and theory is if You are not able to reach the bottom of your run, then You can t do more, adrenaline is only as long You are alive. No ski plans, so I didn t even drive to Zurich on this week end, only a Ukrainian escort, real queen for very deep kissing, but not pretty enough to run to repeat. I will do like most of French now, I will work from my bed rather than taking risks to make safety, stay in my bed and wait the end. Fortunately, ski Worldcup started, to dream a bit. Really bad Winter start, I can't imagine starting on right foot jumping among rocks in Mont Gelé after not skiing for nearly 2 years, but if can t ski before, I will jump for only final in end of March or beginning of April. Follow your passion as written at the bottom of Mortirolo. Passion is now my engine to live, or waiting in my bed.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2506572] emptying the balls and spending money.[/QUOTE]*raises glass*.
"What else is the meaning of life?
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2506727]This will be a really bad winter for you. No skiing and no FKK girls.[/QUOTE]We are simply killing everyone is natural immunity by keeping everything closed. More people will die because of these lockdowns, not only from economic hardship but also from lower natural immunity as they stay home too much. This is totally absurd policy, try to save 1% of the population who are with weak health, by sacrificing lives of 99% of the population who were healthy.
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[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2506745]*raises glass*.
"What else is the meaning of life?[/QUOTE]So many other interesting things to do than fucking prostitutes, at least if they were like several years back young, fresh, beauty, natural today to spend my money and my time with overfucked girls, with sili, tatoos, smoking, hair extensions. Sorry it is not my cup of tea.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2506572]I will never understand why married guys or having a GF have to fuck prostitutes, if they are not happy in their relation better to divorce or to find a new GF, fucking prostitutes is bringing 0 solution except emptying the balls and spending money.[/QUOTE]The reason is that many prostitutes are younger, sexier, more attractive, and better looking than their wives. Many stay with their wives for emotional, financial, and / or family (children) reason. They go with prostitutes strictly for physical fulfillment. They want to have their cake and eat it too. Got it? In any case, who are you to judge?
I've struck up conversation with few married mongers over the years in FKK clubs. Some casually mentioned that they have sexless marriages. Some even said straight out that they plan to divorce their wives after their children finish high schools and turn 18. It's just a matter of time. I think they believe that divorcing can be emotionally harmful to their children. So they just patiently wait until their kids turn 18 and finish high school to pull the divorce trigger. I suppose one benefit of waiting the kids to become adults is that they don't have to worry about child support in a divorce settlement. That makes the financial aspect of the divorce much simpler. I guess. In the meantime, they just secretly visit the clubs once a while to fulfill their biological needs. Understood?
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2506746]We are simply killing everyone is natural immunity by keeping everything closed. More people will die because of these lockdowns, not only from economic hardship but also from lower natural immunity as they stay home too much. This is totally absurd policy, try to save 1% of the population who are with weak health, by sacrificing lives of 99% of the population who were healthy.[/QUOTE]Most politicians realize this but they proceed with unscientific actions because they know it will result in more votes in the next election. The principal strategy of politics is to scare up the population, then implement some unscientific actions and the better than expected outcome will then be claimed as resulting from the actions of the politicians. They don't care about the additional suicides, missed surgeries or 100 million + people from developing nations that go into extreme poverty as a result of the actions taken, they only care about the votes in the next election. This is the only explanation for how politicans have turned to fascism in a few months time.
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[QUOTE=MoneySign;2506800]The reason is that many prostitutes are younger, sexier, more attractive, and better looking than their wives. Many stay with their wives for emotional, financial, and / or family (children) reason. They go with prostitutes strictly for physical fulfillment. They want to have their cake and eat it too. Got it? In any case, who are you to judge?
I've struck up conversation with few married mongers over the years in FKK clubs. Some casually mentioned that they have sexless marriages. Some even said straight out that they plan to divorce their wives after their children finish high schools and turn 18. It's just a matter of time. I think they believe that divorcing can be emotionally harmful to their children. So they just patiently wait until their kids turn 18 and finish high school to pull the divorce trigger. I suppose one benefit of waiting the kids to become adults is that they don't have to worry about child support in a divorce settlement. That makes the financial aspect of the divorce much simpler. I guess. In the meantime, they just secretly visit the clubs once a while to fulfill their biological needs. Understood?[/QUOTE]All this are excuses, the children are 18 or not is changing what? When I divorced I was not waiting the judgment I was doing was I thinking is right for my children and the judge took out the children form the divorce settlement saying she trust me. Even the children are 28 and they need your financial support you will not help them? Strange mindset.
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[QUOTE=Tuber19;2506602]Are you a real man? Or you are a woman! LOL.
I doubt a real man really don't understand why man wants fuck many women, its natural.[/QUOTE]I am a 60+ guy, I can understand why some man have difficulties to control their own libido, and for some of them it is the libido that controls them. But why going to prostitutes and not to normal woman with whom at least for me the sex is alway better.
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From Fox New, straight from Tegnell's mouth:
[QUOTE]The issue of herd immunity is difficult, Anders Tegnell, Swedens top epidemiologist, said at a briefing in Stockholm on Tuesday, according to Bloomberg. [b]We see no signs of immunity in the population that are slowing down the infection right now.[/b]
"In common with other countries were trying to slow down the spread as much as possible. ... To imply that we let the disease run free without any measures to try to stop it is not true, Tegnell told the publication at the time.
[b]I want to make it clear, no, we did not lockdown like many other countries, but we definitely had a virtual lockdown, Tegnell continued. Swedes changed their behavior enormously.[/b] We stopped traveling even more than our neighboring countries. The airports had no flights anywhere, the trains were running at a few percent of normal service, so there were enormous changes in society.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/herd-immunity-not-stopping-coronavirus-spread-sweden
[/QUOTE]Captures the point I was trying to make. Behavior of the population might actually matter more than the lockdown mandate. Between (A) nationwide lockdown where half the population ignores it and (B) voluntary lockdown where 90 percent of the population comply, I believe the latter is more effective.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2506781]So many other interesting things to do than fucking prostitutes, at least if they were like several years back young, fresh, beauty, natural today to spend my money and my time with overfucked girls, with sili, tatoos, smoking, hair extensions. Sorry it is not my cup of tea.[/QUOTE]Different strokes for different folks. My brother introduced me to prostitution over 40 years ago but now he prefers to hang out and drink with his buddies and refuses when I offer to pay for a hooker for him.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2506869]Different strokes for different folks. My brother introduced me to prostitution over 40 years ago but now he prefers to hang out and drink with his buddies and refuses when I offer to pay for a hooker for him.[/QUOTE]This is true when I started to monger in 2004 after my divorce I was like crazy planning my yearly agenda so I can visit FKK, or planning my weekly agenda to meet some escort. Today my point of interest switch to other things, like investing in shares, buying some classic cars or some real estate and sometimes I am questioning myself how I could spent so much money, energy and time with prostitutes just because there in no future with those girls and also at least for me you leave the room more frustrated then when you entered. But this is my life and I have no regrets except the money spent.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2506818]I am a 60+ guy, I can understand why some man have difficulties to control their own libido, and for some of them it is the libido that controls them. But why going to prostitutes and not to normal woman with whom at least for me the sex is alway better.[/QUOTE]Like someone else said, different strokes for different folks.
I'll even add that the best sex of my life has been with prostitutes, both pornstar-pounding sex and sensual Girlfriend-experience-honeymoon sex. Not to say that civilians sex is always inferior but it's harder to find civilian girls with both the authentic sensuality AND the experience of a prostitute. Now, it might take the second or third session with a prostitute to open up the sensual-passionate side, but when they do, combine that with their experience, the top end with a prostitute is noticeably higher than with normal girls. In my experience, the only civilians that came close to matching my experiences with a prostitute who is comfortable with you are the girls who are a little crazy in the head. Or ones who are high on some psychoactive drug, I. E. MDMA / Molly / Ecstasy.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2506746]We are simply killing everyone is natural immunity by keeping everything closed. More people will die because of these lockdowns, not only from economic hardship but also from lower natural immunity as they stay home too much. This is totally absurd policy, try to save 1% of the population who are with weak health, by sacrificing lives of 99% of the population who were healthy.[/QUOTE]Meh. Obviously the people of most nations can't even handle common sense efforts such as wearing a simple mask in enclosed spaces or keeping some sort of distance. If people never fought over ridiculous assertions like this being just the flu, masks don't work, blah blah blah, extended lock downs may not have been necessary. Instead, we still have people bickering at every step of the way when this could have been contained months ago. Now, when presented with an easy out with a relatively easy to develop vaccine, half of you all even bicker about that.
Remember what happened in the beginning with zero behavior changes? Death rates were in the 5 to 13% range in NYC, Milan, Madrid, and Barcelona.
Why were rates that high? Because doctors were in charge of twice the patient load. Nurses had double and triple the number of patients deemed safe nursing ratios. We didn't have enough ventilators, high flow oxygen devices, or numerous basic supplies. Hospital laboratories and pharmacies were overwhelmed to process diagnostic tests and mix medications in a timely fashion. In NYC, we started off pretty decently, kept deaths low. But when ICU patients began piling up in the Emergency room because there were no hospital beds to put them in, people needlessly died. When I had to put in IV's for grandma nurse brought out of retirement because she couldn't even see or feel veins anymore, we were in trouble. When you have pediatricians taking care of adult patients in hospitals, that's when people died.
McA already pointed out the differences (again) between a nation who's (general) populace more or less behaved accordingly versus a non compliant population with mandatory restrictions. The people to blame are the ones who keep making assertions like the one quoted. When they quote cherry-picked, editorial "science," I have no idea what the hell they're talking about. Lose natural immunity? Loss of immunity to what exactly? Loss of life due to suicide and delayed surgeries? No data suggests that those numbers are even a significant fraction of covid deaths even [B]with[/B] mitigation efforts.
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Of course when you and many others leave room and girl being frustrated, better to save your money, even Y/ou won t need when you will die, I wish you as late as possible, staying healthy from covid until then, but I like to think I made a good job most of times, surprising them, treating them like women, seeing their round eyes, of course a bit difficult to make them feel when not kissing nor datying them, and I love to repeat to make improve sweet beauties for me, then no frustration but real enjoyment. In real life, women have headache with most of men, but ask for sex few men who give them pleasure, orgasms also pay in paid sex, giving to some WGs will to give back, but just have to experience to know and enjoy when a girl gives you without needing to beg nor to play grocer. Most interesting woman part about their reactions and reflex.
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When we have now much too many, more than 52.000 covid deaths in my little France, I would say 55/60.000 with deaths at home, with doctors who did let die at their home too old and weak people, but without our 2 confine, we should have at least 400000 deaths, when second confine now made decreasing our covid figures and our stores reopened, but not ski. But South Korea is now under third wave. Winter will be long in North hemisphere, if vaccines don t kill too many, but not efficient to protect on next day. Summer should help south.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2506586]Some gyms are closing actually. But if you prefer we can talk about "partial lockdown" like Bloomberg [URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-11/sweden-imposes-partial-lockdown-of-bars-with-alcohol-curfew[/URL] (fake news media?) . I have to admit that I'm rather fond of the expression 'light lockdown', just like the Huffington post [URL]https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/sweden-coronavirus-lockdown-did-not-work_uk_5ed75fdfc5b6a209e0b9d271[/URL] (libtard media from a shithole country?
I guess you say it proudly in their face everytime you go to Madrid to get laid because it's forbidden in your heaven on earth.
Isn't he some kind of turkish version of your models Trump and Bolsonaro?
That's the only point where you are not totally wrong but if you want to look at history, I suggest that you think at how the iron ore your country sold to Germany during WWII was used to build weapons and some other stuff to exterminate innocent civilians.[/QUOTE]Let me apologize, I didn't realize until now that you're retarded.
It's 40 billions per year, not 40 millions. You really should learn how to read & count. We always knew that French cars were shit. Now we know that French schools are shit and you got shit for brains.
The simple fact that you think that Bolsonaro and Erdogan are the same shows how ignorant you're. But of course, it's not as embarrassing as when you confuse billions with millions. Both Erdogan and Macron are imperialistic warmongers.
The agriculture support is widely criticized, its not something that the EU should waste the members money on. But they still do because France saw their chance to steal more money. Isn't it embarrassing that Sweden contributes with twice as much as France on a per capita basis? I think it's both impressive and embarrassing how the Swedish politicians could agree to the Swedish people being robbed like that. The French continue to steal, they have 15% of the population and receives 17.5 % of the agriculture support. They used to steal close to 25%.
There's no lockdown in Sweden, despite the closed museums. Yet again you continue with your false and ignorant comments.
I notice that you have regressed back to a 5 year old. You can't even give a good answer on why the EU and the whole circus are moving between Brussels and Strasbourg. A waste of money just because of the French and their shitty attitude notorious around the world.
It's still funny to see that Sweden has less deaths per capita than France despite the lockdown in France. Didn't France close their museums?
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2506599]I should apologise to ShooBree for once because I just realized that I mixed the lines (that's probably the only time I'll do that). It's late and I'm tired but using the good figures (income and not expenditure) shows that France gave EU around 340 euros per citizen and Sweden around 350 so we're still far away from what he said (two times more). So his argument is still incorrect but so were mines.[/QUOTE]Don't you get tired of being wrong all the time?
[URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.statista.com/chart/amp/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-budget/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2507266]There's no lockdown in Sweden, despite the closed museums. Yet again you continue with your false and ignorant comments.
It's still funny to see that Sweden has less deaths per capita than France despite the lockdown in France. Didn't France close their museums?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=McAdonis;2506841]From Fox New, straight from Tegnell's mouth:
Captures the point I was trying to make. Behavior of the population might actually matter more than the lockdown mandate. Between (A) nationwide lockdown where half the population ignores it and (B) voluntary lockdown where 90 percent of the population comply, I believe the latter is more effective.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]The issue of herd immunity is difficult, Anders Tegnell, Swedens top epidemiologist, said at a briefing in Stockholm on Tuesday, according to Bloomberg. We see no signs of immunity in the population that are slowing down the infection right now.
"In common with other countries were trying to slow down the spread as much as possible. ... To imply that we let the disease run free without any measures to try to stop it is not true, Tegnell told the publication at the time.
I want to make it clear, no, we did not lockdown like many other countries, but we definitely had a virtual lockdown, Tegnell continued. Swedes changed their behavior enormously. We stopped traveling even more than our neighboring countries. The airports had no flights anywhere, the trains were running at a few percent of normal service, so there were enormous changes in society.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/herd-immunity-not-stopping-coronavirus-spread-sweden[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2506030]So what's your end goal here with these posts? To assert that nothing has changed in Sweden from 2 months ago? Or to assert that no mitigation efforts are justified? Or to suggest that Sweden has made no mitigation efforts at all? How about we set a permanent goal post for whatever it is you are trying to convince everyone here. Let's be specific.[/QUOTE]Short answer, there is no end goal. Just the endless ramblings of jester.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2507266]
There's no lockdown in Sweden, ...
It's still funny to see that Sweden has less deaths per capita than France despite the lockdown in France. Didn't France close their museums?[/QUOTE]Thank god Sweden didn't lockdown.
Its like a control experiment to examine if lockdown and masks works ((with Sweden being the control group))
Now everyone can see using worldmeter. Com that Lockdown and Mask didn't save millions of lives as it was advertised, Or Sweden would have at least +60,000 death by no lockdown which didn't happen.
Actually Lockdown and mask didn't do anything exept scaring people, Sweden death per capita shows that very clearly.
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[QUOTE=Tuber19;2507384]Thank god Sweden didn't lockdown.
Its like a control experiment to examine if lockdown and masks works ((with Sweden being the control group))
Now everyone can see using worldmeter. Com that Lockdown and Mask didn't save millions of lives as it was advertised, Or Sweden would have at least +60,000 death by no lockdown which didn't happen.
Actually Lockdown and mask didn't do anything exept scaring people, Sweden death per capita shows that very clearly.[/QUOTE]Compare Sweden to their Nordic neighbors, which is most appropriate given the very similar demographics and logistics, and your whole thesis falls apart. That's given the much higher per capita death rates, for example Sweden 11 times that of Norway. Then you have many countries with widespread compliance with health measures, masks, social distancing, etc. Like Thailand, South Korea, and Taiwan that did extremely well at saving lives and your notion plummet even further. It still amazes me how far so many here go to keep repeating the same fallacies over and over even after they've comprehensively refuted at least 50 times already. It doesn't say much for the IQ of the average monger.
[URL]https://www.logicalfallacies.org/argument-from-repetition.html[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Tuber19;2507384]Thank god Sweden didn't lockdown.
Its like a control experiment to examine if lockdown and masks works ((with Sweden being the control group))
Now everyone can see using worldmeter. Com that Lockdown and Mask didn't save millions of lives as it was advertised, Or Sweden would have at least +60,000 death by no lockdown which didn't happen.
Actually Lockdown and mask didn't do anything exept scaring people, Sweden death per capita shows that very clearly.[/QUOTE]Yes for sure, Sweden 10 million people nearly 7000 deaths, very great success.
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Just a Little Follow Up
Masks don't work.
Social distancing doesn't work.
Covid is no worse than the flu.
US doctors are inflating the numbers for profit.
Vaccines can never work because Covid mutates.
Hugo Chavez, George Soros, Hillary Clinton, and a Venezuelan voting machine software company stole the election from Trump.
That's just a small sample. It's the age of the internet, so just lie, ignore all contrary evidence or requests for proof, and lie some more. Be encouraged as a lot of people in this day and age have an insatiable appetite for this stuff. Wink.
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For French shit cars, when Ferrari, Lamborghini, MacLaren, Porsche supercars don't reach 350 km / h, when Formula 1 are at maximum 370 km / h, but made with French brains and hands, Bugatti, Germans are not able to build among VAG group, is not far from 450 km / h very soon. I also remember V6 engine PRV in Alpine A310 , but also Renault, Peugeot, Citroen and even Volvo, with last letter V for Volvo. If we take Volvo V40 , Golf, Audi A3 not quattro, BMW1 not xdrive, Mercedes A class, any Japanese in this category and 308 , all with same engine power, 150/180 or 200 power, on north Nuburgring which is the truth to test cars performances, then 308 Peugeot is first for sure, because Peugeot have the best sporty balance since decades. Of course in France, not many powerful cars, because speed is like a crime, but when I m arrested overspeeding by French police, they don't put me in jail, when I was never caught overspeeding in Switzerland but treated like a criminal and put with Albanian drugs dealers.
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[QUOTE=Tuber19;2507384]Thank god Sweden didn't lockdown.
Its like a control experiment to examine if lockdown and masks works ((with Sweden being the control group))
Now everyone can see using worldmeter. Com that Lockdown and Mask didn't save millions of lives as it was advertised, Or Sweden would have at least +60,000 death by no lockdown which didn't happen.
Actually Lockdown and mask didn't do anything exept scaring people, Sweden death per capita shows that very clearly.[/QUOTE]Stockholm did compete with NYC for highest covid deaths rate and more than 500 per million deaths in Sweden. NL preferred to confine for second wave, but Sweden is like Trump, thinking to be stronger than others, killing many old and poor.
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[QUOTE=Tuber19;2507384]Thank god Sweden didn't lockdown.
Its like a control experiment to examine if lockdown and masks works ((with Sweden being the control group))
Now everyone can see using worldmeter. Com that Lockdown and Mask didn't save millions of lives as it was advertised, Or Sweden would have at least +60,000 death by no lockdown which didn't happen.
Actually Lockdown and mask didn't do anything exept scaring people, Sweden death per capita shows that very clearly.[/QUOTE]Yeah that's not how science or basic logic works. As evidenced by lower death rates in New Zealand, Australia, and basically every country on the continent of Asia.
On the flip, Central and South American countries would be doing the best.
Fucking assholes with agendas.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2507389]Yes for sure, Sweden 10 million people nearly 7000 deaths, very great success.[/QUOTE]Yes, it's great. So many countries are worse affected despite their lockdowns. No European country got rid of the virus. Now they have to have 3-4 lockdowns a year just to keep the numbers down. Crazy. People forget about the other diseases that kills people.
Many countries regret their lockdowns now. Just look at Napoli, they are angry and tired of the government trying to destroy their lives. Have fun in prison.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2507391]For French shit cars, when Ferrari, Lamborghini, MacLaren, Porsche supercars don't reach 350 km / h, when Formula 1 are at maximum 370 km / h, but made with French brains and hands, Bugatti, Germans are not able to build among VAG group, is not far from 450 km / h very soon. I also remember V6 engine PRV in Alpine A310 , but also Renault, Peugeot, Citroen and even Volvo, with last letter V for Volvo. If we take Volvo V40 , Golf, Audi A3 not quattro, BMW1 not xdrive, Mercedes A class, any Japanese in this category and 308 , all with same engine power, 150/180 or 200 power, on north Nuburgring which is the truth to test cars performances, then 308 Peugeot is first for sure, because Peugeot have the best sporty balance since decades. Of course in France, not many powerful cars, because speed is like a crime, but when I m arrested overspeeding by French police, they don't put me in jail, when I was never caught overspeeding in Switzerland but treated like a criminal and put with Albanian drugs dealers.[/QUOTE]French cars are just as shitty as your English.
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I still have my 12 points on my driving license, never got a speed fine, drove millions of kilometres, every year around 80000. I only drive land Cruiser diesel. A car is a tool to go from one place to another not a mean to express your frustrations. Strong men don't need strong cars, they are strong. Over speeding is just not respecting the others is considering that the roads belong to you in a kind of exclusivity, is considering that you are over the others, better than the others.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2507444]French cars are just as shitty as your English.[/QUOTE]ShooBree what's your native tongue?
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It's
[QUOTE=Turgid;2507576]ShooBree what's your native tongue?[/QUOTE]"Assholish" is what it is.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2507580]"Assholish" is what it is.[/QUOTE]Yep, the loose variety that just uncontrollably oozes out shit. No wipe, just sits up, buckles his pants, and walks along his merry way leaving a trail of pure liquid shit.
Accompanied with a couple of other shit oozing assholes when speaking of this topic.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2507387]Compare Sweden to their Nordic neighbors, which is most appropriate given the very similar demographics and logistics, and your whole thesis falls apart. That's given the much higher per capita death rates, for example Sweden 11 times that of Norway.[/QUOTE]I would add cultural, social, and economic similarities to their Nordic neighbors as well. The harsh winters, which could last up to nine months, cultivated a people that is by nature socially distant and who maintain small social circles. This article dated March 28th offers insight into the Swedish culture and how it benefits them in the age of social distancing:
[QUOTE]While people around the world are climbing the walls due to coronavirus lockdowns and social distancing, 21-year-old Swede Cajsa Wiking is unfazed by the prospect of spending time alone in her one-bedroom apartment in Uppsala.
“We are pretty good at staying home and aren't very social compared to other cultures...so that makes it easier for us,” she says. “I’m doing things like organising my closet, working out at home and I’m also reading more.”
More than half of all Swedish homes are, like Wiking’s, made up of one resident, the highest proportion in Europe, according to Eurostat figures. The most common age to move out from your parents’ place is between 18 and 19, compared to an EU average of 26.
Some experts believe that these living patterns might help stem the spread of coronavirus; in current hotspots for infections including Italy and Spain, it is – by contrast – much more common for large families to congregate under one roof..[/QUOTE]Here are some Quora answers from 2016 to 2018 to the question [B]"Why are Nordic people so cold and unwilling to have social relations especially with foreigners or with people they do not know?"[/B].
TLDR, Nordic people aren't known to be "warm" towards people that they do not already know. [URL]https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Nordic-people-so-cold-and-unwilling-to-have-social-relations-especially-with-foreigners-or-with-people-they-do-not-know[/URL].
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2507661]Here are some Quora answers from 2016 to 2018 to the question [B]"Why are Nordic people so cold and unwilling to have social relations especially with foreigners or with people they do not know?"[/B].
TLDR, Nordic people aren't known to be "warm" towards people that they do not already know. [URL]https://www.quora.com/Why-are-Nordic-people-so-cold-and-unwilling-to-have-social-relations-especially-with-foreigners-or-with-people-they-do-not-know[/URL].[/QUOTE]I booked two-hour sessions with the ladies I saw from Bangkok Gold Escorts. Many spoke excellent English, and the one who loved to talk the most spoke fluent English and was very fun. She told me that she got married to a guy from a Nordic Country, I think it was in fact Sweden, but she hated it. He went off to work every day and she thought everyone in the village was hateful toward her. She got divorced and returned to Bangkok and did escorting. I always figured the village women hated her because she was cute, young and Thai, but maybe there were more cultural things at play than I realized.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2507387]Compare Sweden to their Nordic neighbors, which is most appropriate given the very similar demographics and logistics, and your whole thesis falls apart. That's given the much higher per capita death rates, for example Sweden 11 times that of Norway. Then you have many countries with widespread compliance with health measures, masks, social distancing, etc. Like Thailand, South Korea, and Taiwan that did extremely well at saving lives and your notion plummet even further. It still amazes me how far so many here go to keep repeating the same fallacies over and over even after they've comprehensively refuted at least 50 times already. It doesn't say much for the IQ of the average monger.
[URL]https://www.logicalfallacies.org/argument-from-repetition.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Actually, comparing Sweden to ONLY Nordic countries dosent make sense on the mask and lockdown subject.
As a fact Norway has less death per capita and that's a fact, so if we examine the reason for that fact by thinking it is because Masks and lockdowns, then all countries with mask and lockdown should have less death per capita comparing to Sweden which is not true ( Uk , France, Spain , Italy etc)
So, the reason for Norway to have less death per capita comparing to Sweden is something else. Just like Why Germany has less death per capita than Italy and Belguim.
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[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2507724]I booked two-hour sessions with the ladies I saw from Bangkok Gold Escorts. Many spoke excellent English, and the one who loved to talk the most spoke fluent English and was very fun. She told me that she got married to a guy from a Nordic Country, I think it was in fact Sweden, but she hated it. He went off to work every day and she thought everyone in the village was hateful toward her. She got divorced and returned to Bangkok and did escorting. I always figured the village women hated her because she was cute, young and Thai, but maybe there were more cultural things at play than I realized.[/QUOTE]I am not to familiar with Thai culture. Perhaps they are like the Spanish and Italians of Asia as far as how welcome and open they are to strangers. I have had business-related trips and traveled extensively through Spain and Italy. After a few beers, they will have their arm around you, asking when you will be back, and offering to show you around their hometown. Swedes not so much:
[QUOTE] https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20200328-how-to-self-isolate-what-we-can-learn-from-sweden
Other commentators have pointed out the way many Swedes already behave when they’re outside in public spaces: it’s the norm to avoid sitting close to others on public transport and unusual to strike up small talk with strangers in shops or cafes.
“As for social distancing, Swedes already have that down and naturally gave each other tons of physical space way before the coronavirus pandemic hit,” says Lola Akinmade Åkerström, an author on Swedish culture.
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[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2507724]I booked two-hour sessions with the ladies I saw from Bangkok Gold Escorts. Many spoke excellent English, and the one who loved to talk the most spoke fluent English and was very fun. She told me that she got married to a guy from a Nordic Country, I think it was in fact Sweden, but she hated it. He went off to work every day and she thought everyone in the village was hateful toward her. She got divorced and returned to Bangkok and did escorting. I always figured the village women hated her because she was cute, young and Thai, but maybe there were more cultural things at play than I realized.[/QUOTE]If I move to a small village in Thailand it will not be the same? I advice you to try to live in a village in France or Germany for sure your social life will be limited.
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China now claiming virus came from abroad, not from Wuhan, and arresting Chinese who tell was coming from Wuhan and more deaths than claimed.
French doctors think vaccines will protect from heavy lungs diseases those they won t kill with bad unknown effects, but won t prevent those who will get vaccine to catch it and infect others. Some catch several times virus. When many pills to cure something, also kill some organs, when still a lot to discover about this killer virus, but may have also to discover about virus efficiency and effects. Like when I arrive in a brothel, never rushing but eating first, no rush for vaccines, I know my best test = my sports performances which need clean strong lungs.
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[QUOTE=Tuber19;2507729]Actually, comparing Sweden to ONLY Nordic countries dosent make sense on the mask and lockdown subject.
As a fact Norway has less death per capita and that's a fact, so if we examine the reason for that fact by thinking it is because Masks and lockdowns, then all countries with mask and lockdown should have less death per capita comparing to Sweden which is not true ( Uk , France, Spain , Italy etc)
So, the reason for Norway to have less death per capita comparing to Sweden is something else. Just like Why Germany has less death per capita than Italy and Belguim.[/QUOTE]Fact, it's a multi variable situation. Mandated restrictions in societies where people circumvent them results in worse outcomes than less restricted societies where people follow recommendations by clinicians. Do you actually believe that there are more people attending social functions in "mandate-free" Sweden than in Italian and Spanish homes? I don't.
Another fact, last week I sat on my ass on many nights working an NYC hospital, an area where people are actually abiding by the regulations, more or less.
This week I returned to my home hospital system in the Southern United States where no one gives a damn. My 37 bed ICU admitted 5 patients last night, 3 emergently intubated and 2 who will likely follow suit later today if not already. In March / April, staffing would have dictated 1 physician and 1 advance practice provider (PAs and NPs). This time around, we were better prepared with 2 physicians and 3 APPs, with one of each on call (we called).
The hospital system has 128 ICU beds in total. Currently, there is 1 ICU bed left across 3 hospitals. Many more will come through the Emergency Department today requiring intensive care.
The 700+ bed hospital system has 175 confirmed COVID patients with 52 patients awaiting PCR results. The patients in the hospital today are not even the result of the Thanksgiving holiday gatherings. The effect of Thanksgiving celebrations has just started.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2507799]If I move to a small village in Thailand it will not be the same? I advice you to try to live in a village in France or Germany for sure your social life will be limited.[/QUOTE]No it would not be. You're over 60 years old, surely you understand the dynamics of white / brown and first-world / third world interactions.
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Socializing in Sweden vs Spain
Swedish enjoy their solitude and being lone wolfs.
[QUOTE]When asked about a national character, almost any newbie or oldie, is likely to [b]describe the typical Swede as shy, reserved and almost uninterested in human contact. Our favourite activity seems to be walking alone in the forest, going to a remotely located cottage far away from any civilisation, or eating sweets in front of the TV on a Friday night.[/b]
Most of us do seem to have difficulty initiating contact, appear awkward talking to strangers and acquaintances alike, and rarely form new friendships. Compared to other Europeans, us Swedes tend to use fewer and slighter gestures, maintain less eye contact, and in general, talk less. If you have Swedish business contacts or colleagues, they are probably nice and civil, but rarely give you any glimpse into their private lives, and seem passionately disinterested in yours.
[b]Swedes, infamously, maintain a large personal comfort zone, and feel uncomfortable with people standing too close or worse, touching us. This being a subconscious social agreement, a non-Swede used to a smaller personal comfort zone may try to come closer whilst talking, in order to feel at ease. Consequently, the Swede (still subconsciously) may take a step back in order to maintain their preferred distance.[/b][/QUOTE]Spanish hate being alone and prefer to be part of the wolfpack.
[QUOTE]I have no problem with going to movies or a restaurant alone. I even like the occasional holiday by myself. In Spain, this makes you a weirdo.
[b]As a rule, Spaniards really dont like being alone for more than about five minutes[/b], and if they are, they will pull out their phone and call someone or check their Facebook page. The other week I actually saw a woman shouting into her phone while going for an early Sunday morning run.
[b]This sociability is one of Spains best aspects. If you make the effort, youll never be short of friends. But it also means you can feel very uncomfortable if youre not standing around with a group of 20 other people.[/b]
https://www.thelocal.es/20150127/the-five-strangest-things-about-spaniards
[/QUOTE]Number of single-person households in Sweden is 51 percent. Spain appears to be about half of that: [URL]https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/DDN-20180706-1[/URL].
As early as February, the World Health Organization noted that most cases in China occurred in family clusters: [URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/coronavirus-spreads-quickly-among-household-members-cdc-report-finds-n1245493[/URL].
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Corona inflation
Can any one explain the price dynamics of paid sex in COVID-19?
Shouldn't the despair in economy result in more ladies selling their bodies and lower prices?
I see opposite. Less choice more expensive. Or are ladies living on prior earnings (or too damn afraid).
Corona is a sexless desert.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2507603]Yep, the loose variety that just uncontrollably oozes out shit. No wipe, just sits up, buckles his pants, and walks along his merry way leaving a trail of pure liquid shit.
Accompanied with a couple of other shit oozing assholes when speaking of this topic.[/QUOTE]Nah, I that sounds more like you and the troll "the cane". Self-awareness, ever heard of it?
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2507993]Nah, I that sounds more like you and the troll "the cane". Self-awareness, ever heard of it?[/QUOTE]Sharp wit this guy. You're terrible.
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Exactly
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2507876]Fact, it's a multi variable situation. Mandated restrictions in societies where people circumvent them results in worse outcomes than less restricted societies where people follow recommendations by clinicians. Do you actually believe that there are more people attending social functions in "mandate-free" Sweden than in Italian and Spanish homes? I don't.[/QUOTE]This is the point where the arguments of the internet anti-maskers, anti-restrictions crowd breaks down. They want to jump all around, comparing Sweden to South American countries, etc. In a desperate bid to prove that a free approach in Sweden did better than the restrictive ones of other countries. But it has been noted at least 100 times since April, that rules without compliance, either through law or cultural directives, are meaningless. Logistics are also a factor, as many poorer countries have heavy reliance on gig economies, abundant multi-generational households, high percentages of households without refrigerators where large portions shop daily in crowded markets, weak law enforcement, etc.
I also recall another trying to compare Uruguay, a tiny by comparison, affluent South American country with very low poverty rates to their neighbors. This involved the same sort of fallacies as pitting Sweden again the country of the day, but never their Nordic neighbors. Logistics matter, as does demographics, culture, and other factors.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2507826]China now claiming virus came from abroad, not from Wuhan, and arresting Chinese who tell was coming from Wuhan and more deaths than claimed.
French doctors think vaccines will protect from heavy lungs diseases those they won t kill with bad unknown effects, but won t prevent those who will get vaccine to catch it and infect others. Some catch several times virus. When many pills to cure something, also kill some organs, when still a lot to discover about this killer virus, but may have also to discover about virus efficiency and effects. Like when I arrive in a brothel, never rushing but eating first, no rush for vaccines, I know my best test = my sports performances which need clean strong lungs.[/QUOTE]What will you do if being vaccinated is required to travel from one country to another?
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2508164]What will you do if being vaccinated is required to travel from one country to another?[/QUOTE]If required in my country, then I climb on Girose glacier, make igloo, and live there. Virus and even police can t compete at 3600 meters high. I trust French doctors from my experiences, but not pills, when I saw too many beloved relatives falling sick from taking pills. Only vaccine I could think about would be Sanofi, but I won't rush when it will be working. Qantas Airways told they would ask for vaccine, but I don't need Qantas. I doubt Swiss or Spanish clubs will ask for vaccine, when LR asked for test.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2508034]Sharp wit this guy. You're terrible.[/QUOTE]Cry me a river. You should stop being so obsessed by me, it's creepy.
Many weirdos / trolls on this site.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2507983]Swedish enjoy their solitude and being lone wolfs.
Spanish hate being alone and prefer to be part of the wolfpack.
Number of single-person households in Sweden is 51 percent. Spain appears to be about half of that: [URL]https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/DDN-20180706-1[/URL].
As early as February, the World Health Organization noted that most cases in China occurred in family clusters: [URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/coronavirus-spreads-quickly-among-household-members-cdc-report-finds-n1245493[/URL].[/QUOTE]LOL, I would like to see the hard facts on this.
Sounds more like 90% BS and 10% truth.
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[QUOTE=Belasarius;2507986]Can any one explain the price dynamics of paid sex in COVID-19?
Shouldn't the despair in economy result in more ladies selling their bodies and lower prices?
I see opposite. Less choice more expensive. Or are ladies living on prior earnings (or too damn afraid).
Corona is a sexless desert.[/QUOTE]Even economic crisis should follow virus, but should be less WGs and extras asked for kissing, BBBJ, when new German law didn't change FKK world. But only 1 elegant charming beauty would be enough for me, preferring quality rather than quantity.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508186]Cry me a river. You should stop being so obsessed by me, it's creepy.
Many weirdos / trolls on this site.[/QUOTE]Found this for ya.
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More econ hardship one would think more WGs.
Less inflated escort price, especially those working FKK, massage etc.
Maybe I don't understand the sexonomics here.
From this and other for a I don't sense there is big demand for escort.
Business trips dead, not much work from office.
Spending all day with the family.
Of course those singletons. Different story.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2508261]Found this for ya.[/QUOTE]You sure as hell never used one.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2508042]This is the point where the arguments of the internet anti-maskers, anti-restrictions crowd breaks down. They want to jump all around, comparing Sweden to South American countries, etc. In a desperate bid to prove that a free approach in Sweden did better than the restrictive ones of other countries. But it has been noted at least 100 times since April, that rules without compliance, either through law or cultural directives, are meaningless. Logistics are also a factor, as many poorer countries have heavy reliance on gig economies, abundant multi-generational households, high percentages of households without refrigerators where large portions shop daily in crowded markets, weak law enforcement, etc.
I also recall another trying to compare Uruguay, a tiny by comparison, affluent South American country with very low poverty rates to their neighbors. This involved the same sort of fallacies as pitting Sweden again the country of the day, but never their Nordic neighbors. Logistics matter, as does demographics, culture, and other factors.[/QUOTE]Nice straw man.
Spain, Italy, France, Belgium and the UK are not South American countries.
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Hear, hear!
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2508261]Found this for ya.[/QUOTE]I give that a +10!
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508267]You sure as hell never used one.[/QUOTE]Criticizing someone's appearance would be more effective if you actually know what the person looks like.
Also, "Yo Momma. ".
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2508261]Found this for ya.[/QUOTE]Shoobree's an idiot. I'd just ignore him. He thinks he's always right and gets upset when you challenge him.
Several months back, he took the time to reach out to me via private messages to insult me. When he realized it wouldn't work, he blocked me! LOL!
Thank god, I don't have to listen to his drivel non-sense. I wouldn't have seen his post, but he was quoted in your reply. I see nothing's changed since, haha.
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Mirror of Erised
Mursenary.
Good one. Mirror of Erised.
Now girls, maybe Shoobree can have his own sandbox, Jackson can have a provobot, and we can have non bitchy / catty discussions about how and when the vaccine comes and offer girls our own form of jab.
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Alternative facts
It is a fact I read on facebook, so it must be true. Or maybe it was Shoobree. Does not matter.
The "fact" of the matter is that COVID is CIA / conspiracy / UFO cover up by the evil government, and apparently devised by Richard Nixon in 1972. I have it on good authority Hitler is still alive in a Nazi den in the Antarctica and hooked up with Aryan aliens that have done modifications so an orgasm goes for 10 minutes, is 100 times more exciting and only takes 30 minutes to recover from. I've even heard the ladies have super sensitive extra clits in their anus and tonsils and love being ravished in that way.
And the Antarctica FKKs! Non sag F cup boobs, all free, no democrats and everyone is a billionaire. Who wants to join?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2508317]Criticizing someone's appearance would be more effective if you actually know what the person looks like.
Also, "Yo Momma. ".[/QUOTE]Another one straight over your big head.
No one talked about your appearance, don't be so insecure of yourself.
Your below average "intelligence" and your above average arrogance are the two things that makes you the perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. I will refer to you as DK from now on.
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2508329]It is a fact I read on facebook, so it must be true. Or maybe it was Shoobree. Does not matter.
The "fact" of the matter is that COVID is CIA / conspiracy / UFO cover up by the evil government, and apparently devised by Richard Nixon in 1972. I have it on good authority Hitler is still alive in a Nazi den in the Antarctica and hooked up with Aryan aliens that have done modifications so an orgasm goes for 10 minutes, is 100 times more exciting and only takes 30 minutes to recover from. I've even heard the ladies have super sensitive extra clits in their anus and tonsils and love being ravished in that way.
And the Antarctica FKKs! Non sag F cup boobs, all free, no democrats and everyone is a billionaire. Who wants to join?[/QUOTE]Maybe you shouldn't drink and write?
Dear Mr Strawman, have you considered going to an AA meeting?
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2508326]Mursenary.
Good one. Mirror of Erised.
Now girls, maybe Shoobree can have his own sandbox, Jackson can have a provobot, and we can have non bitchy / catty discussions about how and when the vaccine comes and offer girls our own form of jab.[/QUOTE]You're not exactly leading by example. Grow up and stop bitching.
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2508329]It is a fact I read on facebook, so it must be true. Or maybe it was Shoobree. Does not matter.
The "fact" of the matter is that COVID is CIA / conspiracy / UFO cover up by the evil government, and apparently devised by Richard Nixon in 1972. I have it on good authority Hitler is still alive in a Nazi den in the Antarctica and hooked up with Aryan aliens that have done modifications so an orgasm goes for 10 minutes, is 100 times more exciting and only takes 30 minutes to recover from. I've even heard the ladies have super sensitive extra clits in their anus and tonsils and love being ravished in that way.
And the Antarctica FKKs! Non sag F cup boobs, all free, no democrats and everyone is a billionaire. Who wants to join?[/QUOTE]Me! Me! But only if Tupac is the best rapper alive!
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After Thanksgiving, 3000 with 2700 in rich California, covid deaths yesterday, US will reach soon 300000.995 yesterday in Italy. UK will be first to vaccine very soon, when Germany and France prefer to be more careful to allow vaccines. Sanofi should arrive only on June. It will be war to get enzyms to build vaccines.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2508317]Criticizing someone's appearance would be more effective if you actually know what the person looks like.
Also, "Yo Momma. ".[/QUOTE]Another one straight over your big head.
No one talked about your appearance, don't be so insecure of yourself.
Your below average "intelligence" and your above average arrogance are the two things that makes you the perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2508329]It is a fact I read on facebook, so it must be true. Or maybe it was Shoobree. Does not matter.
The "fact" of the matter is that COVID is CIA / conspiracy / UFO cover up by the evil government, and apparently devised by Richard Nixon in 1972. I have it on good authority Hitler is still alive in a Nazi den in the Antarctica and hooked up with Aryan aliens that have done modifications so an orgasm goes for 10 minutes, is 100 times more exciting and only takes 30 minutes to recover from. I've even heard the ladies have super sensitive extra clits in their anus and tonsils and love being ravished in that way.
And the Antarctica FKKs! Non sag F cup boobs, all free, no democrats and everyone is a billionaire. Who wants to join?[/QUOTE]Great, another weirdo obsessing over me.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508468]Another one straight over your big head.
No one talked about your appearance, don't be so insecure of yourself.
Your below average "intelligence" and your above average arrogance are the two things that makes you the perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.[/QUOTE]Your momma.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508187]LOL, I would like to see the hard facts on this.
Sounds more like 90% BS and 10% truth.[/QUOTE]Look how steep the curve is for daily new cases in Sweden since October 15. First seven months 103,499 cases. Last six weeks 175,413 cases. If the cases had been circulating those first seven months, than a large percentage of Swedish would have acquired natural immunity and the cases should be NOT be increasing now in what appears to be an exponential rate. [URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/[/URL].
One of the reasons is cultural: Swedish people maintain smaller social circles and require less social contact than people from warmer cultures. This is a generalization, and of course there will be exceptions to the rule, but anecdotally I have NEVER heard anything different. This includes expats who have lived in Sweden and Swedish people themselves. Two surveys, one by InterNations and HSBC Expat Explorer found Sweden to be one of the worst places to make friends: [URL]https://www.thelocal.se/20171223/why-is-it-so-hard-to-make-friends-with-the-swedes[/URL].[QUOTE]Both surveys questioned thousands of expats living around the world on a variety of topics relating to life in their new country, and this year 72 percent of Internations respondents said they found it tough to get to know the Swedes.
"We value the freedom of spending time alone, walking in the forest; there’s a big fascination with peace, harmony, nature, peace and quiet, rather than a pressure to always be doing lots of things with lots of different people," explains Sofi Tegsveden Deveaux
“In Sweden, it’s common to have this idea that people should be ‘självständig’; autonomous and independent, and able to do things without needing help from someone else. But that cuts back on opportunities for social contact.”
She contrasts this with the cultural norms in China and Iran, both places where she has spent a considerable amount of time. “People prefer to be together than to be alone there, and it’s very common for someone to take your hand as you cross the street or put their arm around you while talking – even people you’re not particularly close with,” she explains.
"We native Swedes struggle to make friends with each other too," says native Swede Sofi Tegsveden Deveaux. After leaving Sweden at 18, she returned several years later and remembers finding it difficult to meet new people[/QUOTE]Swedish value a small, but tight circle. That said, Swedish can be better friends to the one or two friends that they have, because they have zero interest in acquiring more friends.
[QUOTE]"I think less value is placed on having loads of people you can go and do things with. Swedish friendship involves deeper commitment; people you really trust, enjoy spending time with, and who are essential to your life, while Americans are much more likely to have a really broad group of people you sort of know and hang out with," says anthropologist Maris Gillette.[/QUOTE]Other articles on Swedish interpersonal distance: [URL]https://www.politico.eu/article/social-distance-swedish-style/[/URL].
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508268]Nice straw man.
Spain, Italy, France, Belgium and the UK are not South American countries.[/QUOTE]But their demographics and logistics are plenty different than Sweden, just like those South American countries. Just grow a pair and compare your country Sweden to your Nordic neighbors. Explain why your per capita death rates are drastically higher. Explain why daily cases are shooting through the roof at present, even though your claimed there months ago that herd immunity is reached at 20%, and that your country was almost there. Rather than whining about how everyone is picking on you, why not step up and engage in some legitimate rational discussion? Wink.
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Let's discuss this?
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20201125-te-romance-scammers-exploiting-lockdown-loneliness[/URL]
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2507269]Don't you get tired of being wrong all the time?
[URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.statista.com/chart/amp/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-budget/[/URL][/QUOTE]Actually I was wrong only one time about the Spanish deficit (shame on me, I embarrassed myself because I assumed that 100% of your posts are total bullshits) and you've been right only one time (congratulations). All your other arguments make no sense except in your alternate universe.
As for the comparison with Nordic countries that's easy.
Just check on any serious website (odcd. Org for example) that Norway, Denmark have similar demographics with Sweden. Major difference: they enforced a lockdown. But shooTroll has some trouble doing comparisons: in one of his ramblings he used Ireland as an example of ineffective lockdown. The only problem is that Ireland a way less deaths par capita than Sweden.
It's also possible to compute the weighted average of deaths per capita in Europe in the lockdown countries and in the no lockdown country.
I'm pretty sure that the result won't be too bright for Sweden.
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NL didn't confine for first wave, but did for second, not to kill too many people, when small Sweden killed many old on first wave. Killing Thanksgiving in US. Third wave in South Korea. Let s see vaccine effects in UK which wanted to rush first.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2508725]But their demographics and logistics are plenty different than Sweden, just like those South American countries. Just grow a pair and compare your country Sweden to your Nordic neighbors. Explain why your per capita death rates are drastically higher. Explain why daily cases are shooting through the roof at present, even though your claimed there months ago that herd immunity is reached at 20%, and that your country was almost there. Rather than whining about how everyone is picking on you, why not step up and engage in some legitimate rational discussion? Wink.[/QUOTE]Sadly enough you've ruined every attempt of having a serious discussion. You don't care about facts, you're just a NPC repeating what you've heard on CNN.
Besides your total disinterest in having any serious discussion, you're also absolutely clueless about the world outside of USA. You represent the worst of USA. The ignorance, arrogance and rudeness.
I will not entertain your cherry-picking, it's simply laughable. It's funny how countries suddenly becomes "impossible" to compare when it doesn't fit your agenda. More importantly, you're dead wrong.
I was right about COVID-19, the lockdowns didn't eradicate the virus and the number of deaths stayed relatively low. It mostly took out those already on their way to check out. It's fun to see how hysteric you're over the inevitable. I'm surprised how few died, almost 0 per 100'000 for people under 50 when adjusting for underlying health problems. Please explain why the Swedish strategy worked out so much better than the strategy the blue states in USA used. Another failure for the Democrats and proof of how liberals can talk all day but never walk the talk. The party of empty promises.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2508818]NL didn't confine for first wave, but did for second, not to kill too many people, when small Sweden killed many old on first wave. Killing Thanksgiving in US. Third wave in South Korea. Let s see vaccine effects in UK which wanted to rush first.[/QUOTE]Russia and China started to vaccine, but we won t know the truth about risks there, when some Chinese are telling Chinese covid deaths figures are wrong, when they are not arrested because trying to tell the truth.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508834] I will not entertain your cherry-picking.[/QUOTE]Comparing the Nordic countries to the Nordic countries is far from "cherry-picking," but is simply the proper way to do analysis. That's given that the logistics and demographics are so similar. You perpetually refuse do that though as it betrays your country's gross failures. I'm surprised your neighbors started letting you cross the border again. You are lucky.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508834]you're also absolutely clueless about the world outside of USA. You represent the worst of USA. The ignorance, arrogance and rudeness. [/QUOTE]When all else fails run to the ad hominem, all while my questions are completely avoided. LOL.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem[/URL]
And yea, three months ago you posted an article related to a non peer viewed "study" from some fringe scientists, three or four of them that claimed herd immunity with Covid is achieved at 20%. You then extrapolated that to Sweden saying you were almost there. Okay then if that is so then why have daily case counts been spiking through the roof there recently? That question was avoided entirely also. All you did was cry about CNN and Democrats. Waaa Waaa the election is over, but that has nothing to do with the price of rice in China. You quite simply are a big cry baby, constantly complaining about how everyone here is picking on you. But you have no ability to have a legitimate rational discussion, thus the criticisms. LOL.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2508867]Comparing the Nordic countries to the Nordic countries is far from "cherry-picking," but is simply the proper way to do analysis. That's given that the logistics and demographics are so similar. You perpetually refuse do that though as it betrays your country's gross failures. I'm surprised your neighbors started letting you cross the border again. You are lucky.
When all else fails run to the ad hominem, all while my questions are completely avoided. LOL.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem[/URL]
And yea, three months ago you posted an article related to a non peer viewed "study" from some fringe scientists, three or four of them that claimed herd immunity with Covid is achieved at 20%. You then extrapolated that to Sweden saying you were almost there. Okay then if that is so then why have daily case counts been spiking through the roof there recently? That question was avoided entirely also. All you did was cry about CNN and Democrats. Waaa Waaa the election is over, but that has nothing to do with the price of rice in China. You quite simply are a big cry baby, constantly complaining about how everyone here is picking on you. But you have no ability to have a legitimate rational discussion, thus the criticisms. LOL.[/QUOTE]As always you avoided big parts of my reply and went straight ahead to defend your cherry-picking and concentrated on making childish personal attacks against me. The ugly American strikes again.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2508867]Comparing the Nordic countries to the Nordic countries is far from "cherry-picking," but is simply the proper way to do analysis. That's given that the logistics and demographics are so similar. You perpetually refuse do that though as it betrays your country's gross failures. I'm surprised your neighbors started letting you cross the border again. You are lucky.
When all else fails run to the ad hominem, all while my questions are completely avoided. LOL.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem[/URL]
And yea, three months ago you posted an article related to a non peer viewed "study" from some fringe scientists, three or four of them that claimed herd immunity with Covid is achieved at 20%. You then extrapolated that to Sweden saying you were almost there. Okay then if that is so then why have daily case counts been spiking through the roof there recently? That question was avoided entirely also. All you did was cry about CNN and Democrats. Waaa Waaa the election is over, but that has nothing to do with the price of rice in China. You quite simply are a big cry baby, constantly complaining about how everyone here is picking on you. But you have no ability to have a legitimate rational discussion, thus the criticisms. LOL.[/QUOTE]Paulie is exactly correct.
Sweden's refusal to lockdown has proven to be a big failure.
Their Covid problem is far more out of control that the situation in just about all of their Nordic neighbors. People have died in Sweden that didn't need to based on the superior results of their immediate neighbors (who are using better, more effective, strategies).
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Safe Haven
My Antarctica area 51/ CIA / government conspiracy cover up / UFO etc place established in 1945 now offers Fox News. And I heard Shoobree is to be given a 5 minute slot daily. It is reserved for a few holdouts with alzheimers and age who refuse alien treatment.
The problem is that the alien technology has made everyone 20 (it reverses ageing) as well as billionaires. There is gold mountain going down to the earths mantle and even time / space travel to planet FKK about 6969 light years away that is traversed in just 3 minutes. My god. The orgies! The women! Imagine anything you want and it will be so.
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[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2508902]Paulie is exactly correct.
Sweden's refusal to lockdown has proven to be a big failure.
Their Covid problem is far more out of control that the situation in just about all of their Nordic neighbors. People have died in Sweden that didn't need to based on the superior results of their immediate neighbors (who are using better, more effective, strategies).[/QUOTE]What a surprise, libtard #1 agrees with libtard #2.
I call it a great success. Sweden still did a lot better than the blue states and many other countries that had lockdowns. It's ridiculous to have lockdowns because of virus that almost only kills the old and weak. 7000 deaths, that's nothing.
The lockdowns caused a lot more harm for a lot more people.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508834]Sadly enough you've ruined every attempt of having a serious discussion. You don't care about facts, you're just a NPC repeating what you've heard on CNN.[/QUOTE]There it is, he's a gamer dork. All makes sense now. AZN Monger had the right idea. Click.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2508816]Actually I was wrong only one time about the Spanish deficit (shame on me, I embarrassed myself because I assumed that 100% of your posts are total bullshits) and you've been right only one time (congratulations). All your other arguments make no sense except in your alternate universe.
As for the comparison with Nordic countries that's easy.
Just check on any serious website (odcd. Org for example) that Norway, Denmark have similar demographics with Sweden. Major difference: they enforced a lockdown. But shooTroll has some trouble doing comparisons: in one of his ramblings he used Ireland as an example of ineffective lockdown. The only problem is that Ireland a way less deaths par capita than Sweden.
It's also possible to compute the weighted average of deaths per capita in Europe in the lockdown countries and in the no lockdown country.
I'm pretty sure that the result won't be too bright for Sweden.[/QUOTE]No, you've been wrong every time you opened your mouth and I've been correct every time. What about the net contribution to the EU? You got it wrong two or three times even when you corrected yourself afterwards.
It's funny that you're so obsessed with me that you go through my posts that are several months old. I guess I can live rent free in your empty head. At the time of my post Ireland had more deaths than Sweden. Ireland still has a lot of deaths considering all their restrictions. You do realize that lockdowns hurts people? Many will suffer because of the lockdowns.
I'm pretty sure that Sweden and EU-26 have seen deaths of around 600-700 per million. Not exactly the result you want from implementing lockdowns, but it looks extremely bright for Sweden.
I would be more worried about the harmful effects we've seen from the lockdowns. Most of the dead wouldn't have lived much longer anyways. I guess one of the reasons why Sweden couldn't have a lockdown is that we have to pay the bills for the other countries in the EU. If only Sweden could receive big money from the EU as the others do.
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[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2508902]Paulie is exactly correct.
Sweden's refusal to lockdown has proven to be a big failure.
Their Covid problem is far more out of control that the situation in just about all of their Nordic neighbors. People have died in Sweden that didn't need to based on the superior results of their immediate neighbors (who are using better, more effective, strategies).[/QUOTE]I just read Belgium has the highest death rate from covid 19 per 1 million people in the world. Why is that?
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2509088]I just read Belgium has the highest death rate from covid 19 per 1 million people in the world. Why is that?[/QUOTE]Maybe they are more honest than many other countries, when Belgium is not third world country. For example, US can t really know among more than 10 millions illegals who won t go to hospital, same like with so many millions without healthcare insurance, even millions are working but don t have insurance. Nobody know for China, Russia. Covid kill lungs, but will also provide economic diseases with many becoming poor losing job, also dark mood diseases, loneliness, when many countries are now under second wave, but third wave is also starting before vaccines. Snow arrived in Western Europe, fell nearly 1 meter high in mountains on last days, so, for a better mood, I will put my friends skis Neo and ski shoes in car, even no ski lift working in France, but to dream about a virgin line if I find a spot for my best Christmas present.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2509088]I just read Belgium has the highest death rate from covid 19 per 1 million people in the world. Why is that?[/QUOTE]This virus is having pretty much the same effect irrespective of masks or no masks, lockdowns or no lockdowns. Big advantage of no lockdowns are (1) achieve herd immunity quicker, (2) does not kill people's livelihoods. Only negative is that the inevitable deaths of the weak people cannot be delayed, but they weren't immortal before the virus either, and were susceptible to death by pathogens anyway.
Now, let's start flaming me for stating the obvious.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2509088]I just read Belgium has the highest death rate from covid 19 per 1 million people in the world. Why is that?[/QUOTE]Short answer is Belgium had more total cases per capita and Belgium got hit earlier than most of Europe (when countries were less logistically prepared and less was known about treatment).
Why did Belgium have more total cases? Well here is the population density map of Europe. The darkest areas correspond to the areas with the most people per squared kilometer. By far the highest concentration of people in Europe is Paris, however, the largest contiguous cluster of black and purple is the NRW, Belgium, and Netherlands region. The second biggest cluster of black and purple is the southern UK. And what is geographic center of these two dark clusters? You guessed, it Brussels. So we would expect the most infections there: [URL]http://aestheticdata.eu/2018/01/27/population-density-in-europe/[/URL].
Why did Belgium get hit early? By train, London is two hours away, Paris 90 minutes, and Amsterdam two hours. Based on international flights, these are number one, two, and three most "connected" airports in Europe: [URL]https://bigseventravel.com/2019/11/the-7-busiest-airports-in-europe/[/URL].
Strictly looking at numbers, Belgium, Spain, Italy, and UK had some of the highest death rates in Europe. On a per-capita death basis, Romania outperformed all four of these richer countries by a wide margin. But ask yourself is that a fair comparison? While the city of Bucharest is one of the most dense cities in Europe, let's be honest, there isn't much else around it. Also, compared to London or Paris, Bucharest is a remote and disconnected "village". Bucharest simply is NOT a financial hub. Nor is it particularly connected to Wuhan. And as much as WGs like to flock to the Black Sea coast of Romania, it does not see anywhere near the summer tourist traffic as France, Spain, or Italy. So for the same reason I would not compare Romania's performance to Belgium's, I would also not compare Sweden's performance to Belgium's. Comparing Nordic countries with each other is more apples-to-apples.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2509108]This virus is having pretty much the same effect irrespective of masks or no masks, lockdowns or no lockdowns. Big advantage of no lockdowns are (1) achieve herd immunity quicker, (2) does not kill people's livelihoods. Only negative is that the inevitable deaths of the weak people cannot be delayed, but they weren't immortal before the virus either, and were susceptible to death by pathogens anyway.
Now, let's start flaming me for stating the obvious.[/QUOTE]Explain Australia, New Zealand, and East Asian countries where distancing and masks are not only policy but also practiced. You won't, because you can't.
Doesn't look like North America, Europe (+Sweden), or South America will achieve herd immunity before vaccine roll out.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2509162]Explain Australia, New Zealand, and East Asian countries where distancing and masks are not only policy but also practiced. You won't, because you can't.
Doesn't look like North America, Europe (+Sweden), or South America will achieve herd immunity before vaccine roll out.[/QUOTE]Gino is obviously under the impression that if he repeats the same lies over and over for long enough they'll become true.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2509162]Explain Australia, New Zealand, and East Asian countries where distancing and masks are not only policy but also practiced. You won't, because you can't.
Doesn't look like North America, Europe (+Sweden), or South America will achieve herd immunity before vaccine roll out.[/QUOTE]Finland and Norway are performing the best in Europe. Scandinavians are famously known for maintaining personal space, similar to the way Germans are famous for their punctuality. First time I mentioned it here, I believe at least two ISGers jokingly said "Yah that describes us perfectly!" I don't remember who it was, maybe it was just two "libtards" who created fake accounts pretending to be Scandinavian, but I doubt it. Because it is consistent with my real-life offline experience: Whenever this "stereotype" about them is brought up, Scandinavians will ALWAYS take the opportunity to make fun of themselves first, because (1) it is a noticeable and easily observable part of their culture, and (2) makes the conversation less awkward.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2509067]There it is, he's a gamer dork. All makes sense now. AZN Monger had the right idea. Click.[/QUOTE]You're wrong as always, I haven't played computer games in my entire life. But you're obviously a "gamer dork". That would explain your awkwardness.
Don't you ever get tired of being wrong all the time? Every time you write a post it's the Dunning-Kruger effect all over again.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2509206]Finland and Norway are performing the best in Europe. Scandinavians are famously known for maintaining personal space, similar to the way Germans are famous for their punctuality. First time I mentioned it here, I believe at least two ISGers jokingly said "Yah that describes us perfectly!" I don't remember who it was, maybe it was just two "libtards" who created fake accounts pretending to be Scandinavian, but I doubt it. Because it is consistent with my real-life offline experience: Whenever this "stereotype" about them is brought up, Scandinavians will ALWAYS take the opportunity to make fun of themselves first, because (1) it is a noticeable and easily observable part of their culture, and (2) makes the conversation less awkward.[/QUOTE]I highly doubt that any ISG: ers wrote that. But feel free to share your sources.
It seems to me that you take jokes and exaggerations and elevate them to some kind of "truths". It's like the articles you referred to earlier, 90-99% exaggerations and pure BS to make a more "exotic"/ clickable article.
20% of the Swedish population are immigrants, around 30% if you include the children of these immigrants, what effect could that possible have when it comes to change in culture and the spread of the virus?
Caricatures are not truths.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2509196]Gino is obviously under the impression that if he repeats the same lies over and over for long enough they'll become true.[/QUOTE]LOL so tell me which country got the virus totally out by lockdowns and masking? None! Right?
Frankly, if anyone is scared of it at this point, why not wear hazmat suits 24 x 7, even at own home?
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I have proof
The Aera51/ UFO / CIA / Conspiracy / Cover up Antarctica base has ZERO Covid. Cynics here may argue that is because it does not exist, but that ignores Fox news and social media. Rather than masks, beautiful and foxy 18 year olds give morning blowjobs and smile a lot, and this seems to repel disease and dark thoughts. I pioneered this in Asia, but it seems the penguins passed on ancient wisdom in their own way when Hitler built a secret base in 1945 after meeting some hot alien chicks who gave him a ride in their flying saucer and then a different sort of carnal ride. "Mein Gott" he said realizing hot chicks were heaps better than broomstick up the butt old white guys parading around like wind up robots. These days, Elvis, Hitler, JFK, Stalin and Idi Amin have coffee mornings with hot girls draped over them, waiting the 30 minutes before full sexual recharge kicks in. Thanks to age reversal, these men are in their prime. I suspect Churchill is on this board, and who knows, it may be the dog.
Who wants to visit and Planet 6969 ?
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Maybe vitamin D would be as efficient as rushing vaccines, maybe why Africa resisted quite well, wish god would save UK queen after vaccine. Already third and worst wave for South Korea now.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2509108]This virus is having pretty much the same effect irrespective of masks or no masks, lockdowns or no lockdowns. Big advantage of no lockdowns are (1) achieve herd immunity quicker, (2) does not kill people's livelihoods. Only negative is that the inevitable deaths of the weak people cannot be delayed, but they weren't immortal before the virus either, and were susceptible to death by pathogens anyway.
Now, let's start flaming me for stating the obvious.[/QUOTE]If you don't understand how people protecting their respiratory openings by wearing a mask can lower the transmission of respiratory viruses within the community, then I feel really sorry for you. Do you think surgeon wear masks for fashion?
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2509256]LOL so tell me which country got the virus totally out by lockdowns and masking? None! Right?
Frankly, if anyone is scared of it at this point, why not wear hazmat suits 24 x 7, even at own home?[/QUOTE]New Zealand.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2509420]If you don't understand how people protecting their respiratory openings by wearing a mask can lower the transmission of respiratory viruses within the community, then I feel really sorry for you. Do you think surgeon wear masks for fashion?[/QUOTE]He's basically one point above ShoeBree. Should not be taken seriously. It'll make you dumber if you do.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2509420]If you don't understand how people protecting their respiratory openings by wearing a mask can lower the transmission of respiratory viruses within the community, then I feel really sorry for you. Do you think surgeon wear masks for fashion?[/QUOTE]Some here are on crazy orange golfer who still play ridiculous loser level, thinking they know better than doctors, and of course high deaths rate, small Sweden is nothing for a good example, Africa being much more interesting for example, for me.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2509420]If you don't understand how people protecting their respiratory openings by wearing a mask can lower the transmission of respiratory viruses within the community, then I feel really sorry for you. Do you think surgeon wear masks for fashion?[/QUOTE]Then why don't you wear hazmat suits 24 x 7 now to protect yourself from this virus? LOL.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2509457]Then why don't you wear hazmat suits 24 x 7 now to protect yourself from this virus? LOL.[/QUOTE]It will be challenging to have sex wearing a hazmat suit.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2509492]It will be challenging to have sex wearing a hazmat suit.[/QUOTE]But he will be safe from Covid-19, right? He has to choose what he wants, none of us can help him on that LOL.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2509420]If you don't understand how people protecting their respiratory openings by wearing a mask can lower the transmission of respiratory viruses within the community, then I feel really sorry for you. Do you think surgeon wear masks for fashion?[/QUOTE]I love it. Touche!
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2509232]It seems to me that you take jokes and exaggerations and elevate them to some kind of "truths". It's like the articles you referred to earlier, 90-99% exaggerations and pure BS to make a more "exotic"/ clickable article.
Caricatures are not truths.[/QUOTE]This was a joint Swedish American sitcom that aired on TV4 in Sweden. At 1 min15 Swedish wife explains to her American husband how Swedish don't really make new friends: [URL]https://youtu.be/1JHgLF6X9KU[/URL].
Tongue-in cheek Nissan ad campaign: [URL]https://www.lbbonline.com/news/nissan-knows-in-finland-personal-space-is-sacred[/URL].
Both of the above targeted Scandinavian audiences, so I doubt producers would put out content that is culturally offensive or untrue, but rather content that is relatable and resonates with their Scandinavian demographic. Many memes and YouTube skits capturing this cultural phenomenon are actually put out there by Scandinavians themselves. Scandinavians also post commentary videos on this topic to help bridge cultural gaps and misunderstandings.
[URL]https://blogs.studyinsweden.se/2016/01/15/public-transport-sweden-bus-seating/[/URL]
[URL]https://9gag.com/gag/awnz9L8[/URL]
Literally every Scandinavian person I have ever met who has spent any significant time abroad has remarked on this, especially if they lived in say America or Latin America. These cultural habits of "personal space" and "minimising small talk" are ingrained in them from a young age and hard for them to break. In their home countries, acting like this is acceptable and appreciated by their fellow Scandinavians. At the same time, they learn to "context switch" or moderate their behaviour when living abroad, because they realise that non-Scandinavians would find them "cold", "distant", "arrogant", "unfriendly", or even "socially awkward".
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I remember many internet documentaries and magazine where Swedish schoolgirls (over 18) were very progressive and had raunchy adventures. Based on this research and Fox news, I became aware of the Antarctica base and Planet 6969 and free shuttle service. Shoobree has enabled many breakthrough insights in epidemiology I otherwise might have been ignorant of. We are so lucky to have this forum. It is a bit like sex education for horny teenagers. Again, I was fortunate with graphic magazines and the internet to get an insiders perspective of the female brain. They sound just like us!
There are no mask or COVID in either the Antarctica base and Planet 6969. If you pay $US1 m in the next 5 minutes, I can have a flying saucer at your front door for a transfer. Just call 1-800-SUCKER and ask for Schatsi!
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2509571]I remember many internet documentaries and magazine where Swedish schoolgirls (over 18) were very progressive and had raunchy adventures. Based on this research and Fox news, I became aware of the Antarctica base and Planet 6969 and free shuttle service. Shoobree has enabled many breakthrough insights in epidemiology I otherwise might have been ignorant of. We are so lucky to have this forum. It is a bit like sex education for horny teenagers. Again, I was fortunate with graphic magazines and the internet to get an insiders perspective of the female brain. They sound just like us!
There are no mask or COVID in either the Antarctica base and Planet 6969. If you pay $US1 m in the next 5 minutes, I can have a flying saucer at your front door for a transfer. Just call 1-800-SUCKER and ask for Schatsi![/QUOTE]Great! Which of these (attached pics) masks do I need to wear in your flying saucer?
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2509571]I remember many internet documentaries and magazine where Swedish schoolgirls (over 18) were very progressive and had raunchy adventures. Based on this research and Fox news, I became aware of the Antarctica base and Planet 6969 and free shuttle service. Shoobree has enabled many breakthrough insights in epidemiology I otherwise might have been ignorant of. We are so lucky to have this forum. It is a bit like sex education for horny teenagers. Again, I was fortunate with graphic magazines and the internet to get an insiders perspective of the female brain. They sound just like us!
There are no mask or COVID in either the Antarctica base and Planet 6969. If you pay $US1 m in the next 5 minutes, I can have a flying saucer at your front door for a transfer. Just call 1-800-SUCKER and ask for Schatsi![/QUOTE]You should probably start taking your meds again, weirdo.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2509457]Then why don't you wear hazmat suits 24 x 7 now to protect yourself from this virus? LOL.[/QUOTE]For the same reason why I don't wear a helmet and protective goggles when I drive a car. Masks are enough, no need for hazmat suits to keep the transmission of the virus low in the community.
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How strange is it that people's coronavirus opinions are so often aligned with their general political views.
When all of your beliefs line up with one political party, your beliefs are likely socialized. They are not original thoughts; rather, they are taken from other people. In short, you are not a clear thinker. Naval Ravikant said something of the sort.
Coincidentally, most of the opponents of COVID19 mitigation on this board have also been consistently Trumpian, or at the very least right leaning. In the past, the left wingers have been the masters of brain control. As evident by the posts of Hammer, Gino, and Shoe, right wingers have clearly caught on to this practice.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2509720]For the same reason why I don't wear a helmet and protective goggles when I drive a car. Masks are enough, no need for hazmat suits to keep the transmission of the virus low in the community.[/QUOTE]So masks are working well in the community? Everyone is safe now?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2509721]How strange is it that people's coronavirus opinions are so often aligned with their general political views.
When all of your beliefs line up with one political party, your beliefs are likely socialized. They are not original thoughts; rather, they are taken from other people. In short, you are not a clear thinker. Naval Ravikant said something of the sort.
Coincidentally, most of the opponents of COVID19 mitigation on this board have also been consistently Trumpian, or at the very least right leaning. In the past, the left wingers have been the masters of brain control. As evident by the posts of Hammer, Gino, and Shoe, right wingers have clearly caught on to this practice.[/QUOTE]Has it ever occurred to you that some people may be more logical than yourself?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2509721]How strange is it that people's coronavirus opinions are so often aligned with their general political views.
When all of your beliefs line up with one political party, your beliefs are likely socialized. They are not original thoughts; rather, they are taken from other people. In short, you are not a clear thinker. Naval Ravikant said something of the sort.
Coincidentally, most of the opponents of COVID19 mitigation on this board have also been consistently Trumpian, or at the very least right leaning. In the past, the left wingers have been the masters of brain control. As evident by the posts of Hammer, Gino, and Shoe, right wingers have clearly caught on to this practice.[/QUOTE]The right-wingers in Sweden wanted stricter restrictions but the left-wing prime minister went the other way. So it's not about politics for me.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2509525]This was a joint Swedish American sitcom that aired on TV4 in Sweden. At 1 min15 Swedish wife explains to her American husband how Swedish don't really make new friends: [URL]https://youtu.be/1JHgLF6X9KU[/URL].
Tongue-in cheek Nissan ad campaign: [URL]https://www.lbbonline.com/news/nissan-knows-in-finland-personal-space-is-sacred[/URL].
Both of the above targeted Scandinavian audiences, so I doubt producers would put out content that is culturally offensive or untrue, but rather content that is relatable and resonates with their Scandinavian demographic. Many memes and YouTube skits capturing this cultural phenomenon are actually put out there by Scandinavians themselves. Scandinavians also post commentary videos on this topic to help bridge cultural gaps and misunderstandings.[/QUOTE]I see that you still don't understand Scandinavians / Swedes, they're the least patriotic people in the world. They don't mind jokes being made on their expense not do they mind the gross exaggerations. For them it's easier to laugh than to correct the person since they don't really care anyways.
Are these videos also about Scandinavia?
[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sgJ24hknbHs[/URL]
[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=12ngQixZ4II[/URL]
I've traveled all over the world and lived abroad for several years and the only country where the people are remarkably different (in a good way) would be Brazil. Great country with great people and even greater garotas de programa.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2509720]For the same reason why I don't wear a helmet and protective goggles when I drive a car. Masks are enough, no need for hazmat suits to keep the transmission of the virus low in the community.[/QUOTE]I put on mask for my respect for others, even I hate, but I don't put when I drive, when I see many alone in their car, but putting on mask. I don't put helmet when free riding among rocks, nor when going downhill with bicycle around 70 km / h which give more impressive sensations, nearly flying, than 250 km / h on German autobahns. I was amazed to see some US threatening coughing in face of other people, but they are now close to 300000, number 1.
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Gino.
Hot chicks will be at the flying saucer with a big smile, kiss and giggle that destroys COVID and any unhappiness. So no mask. And as there is not STDs in Planet 6969 or Antarctica, no masks or condoms.
Even Shoobree will be happy and soon have his attention on other more pleasurable activities. As for meds, few need them, but the alien meds make earth based LSD tame. It really is a land of joy, wild sex and peace. I am surprised there are so few takers. It is all true even if does not exist.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2509823]Has it ever occurred to you that some people may be more logical than yourself?[/QUOTE]Think about it everyday to keep grounded; however, have not seen much of it on this forum, particularly this thread.
Especially when contra-arguments from people such as yourself seem to consistently conveniently ignore points you can't repudiate such as increase hospitalizations and healthcare overburden leading to unnecessary mortality.
Only logical argument could be "keep societies open, but enforce physical distancing and protective face coverings. " Don't seem to be even get that. So yeah, there's that.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2509836]I put on mask for my respect for others, even I hate, but I don't put when I drive, when I see many alone in their car, but putting on mask. I don't put helmet when free riding among rocks, nor when going downhill with bicycle around 70 km / h which give more impressive sensations, nearly flying, than 250 km / h on German autobahns. I was amazed to see some US threatening coughing in face of other people, but they are now close to 300000, number 1.[/QUOTE]Silly Frenchman, adjusting for population size, France has 864 deaths per million compared to 882 per million. Not exactly anything to brag about. Your personal contempt for America is showing.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2509824]The right-wingers in Sweden wanted stricter restrictions but the left-wing prime minister went the other way. So it's not about politics for me.[/QUOTE]Yeah, because you're not really Swedish in any appreciable or classical sense. Regardless of whatever citizenship, you're just a rando who emulates all the worst things about the American experience.
Side notes, not really sure what videos about universal personal space has anything to do with preferences for small social circles.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2509720]For the same reason why I don't wear a helmet and protective goggles when I drive a car. Masks are enough, no need for hazmat suits to keep the transmission of the virus low in the community.[/QUOTE]Obvious statements that shouldn't have to be iterated for unbiased minds right?
Futile though, your reason and logic won't work here. They just subscribe to a prepackaged socio-political ideological bundle.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2509892]Silly Frenchman, adjusting for population size, France has 864 deaths per million compared to 882 per million. Not exactly anything to brag about. Your personal contempt for America is showing.[/QUOTE]So jealous faker with many profiles, Takedown, escape artist and others? I remember so funny at GT with Lucifer who came to me.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2509835]Are these videos also about Scandinavia?
[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sgJ24hknbHs[/URL].[/QUOTE]You cannot be serious. That video shows a stranger attempting to get into kissing range, chest-to-chest. Every person in every culture would retreat if a stranger were to do that. Likewise choosing a seat next to someone when there is nothing but free seats around is creepy in any culture. At that point, we are just talking personal safety.
Look at the spontaneous photos that were taken at Scandinavian bus stops that pre-date the pandemic 2015-2018. Busy bus stops with 20-30 people waiting, yet people form these long lines where each person is 2-3 meters apart. Foreigners take photos of this cultural phenomenon because it is so different to what they find back home. Scandinavians make that extra effort to keep away from each other. Here is another one taken up close where we can more closely gauge how far apart people actually are. This is NOT taken April 2020 at the height of CV19 hysteria, but September 2019. [URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/Finland/comments/d3knjz/currently_witnessing_the_finnish_bus_stop/[/URL].
You can find dozens of videos of Scandinavians posting "10 things not to do in Sweden" or "5 ways to annoy Finnish". Virtually all them advise not to small talk and to maintain proper distance protocol (and these videos will also predate the pandemic). You can find cultural handbooks on how to conduct business in Scandinavia (advising foreign businessmen to maintain distance). Essentially these guides are made specifically for foreigners, so they know not to behave as they are accustomed to back home. These guides would NOT be necessary if there were not drastic cultural differences. Without them, one might accidentally offend or create misunderstandings with the other party. Or lead to uncomfortable and awkward situations. In a hundred years, as the world globalizes, this concept of personal space may erode, but the Scandinavians still seem to retain habits from their more insular past.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2509822]So masks are working well in the community? Everyone is safe now?[/QUOTE]After almost a year into this crisis and people still don't understand that wearing a mask is one of the weapons we have to limit the spread of the virus. Together with distancing and regular hand-washing, masks are the only weapons we have until vaccines become widely available. If everybody had taken these measures seriously from the start, we wouldn't be in such a mess and we would still be enjoying our beloved FKK clubs.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2509886]Think about it everyday to keep grounded; however, have not seen much of it on this forum, particularly this thread.
Especially when contra-arguments from people such as yourself seem to consistently conveniently ignore points you can't repudiate such as increase hospitalizations and healthcare overburden leading to unnecessary mortality.
Only logical argument could be "keep societies open, but enforce physical distancing and protective face coverings. " Don't seem to be even get that. So yeah, there's that.[/QUOTE]So you really believe that weak people won't be safer in hazmat suits irrespective of if others are or aren't wearing masks, compared to just wearing masks and keep expecting everyone else would wear masks?
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Reminder from Kazakhstan Ministry of Science
It is a fact that Gypsy tears will protect.
Amazing this has not been mentioned, or taking the flying saucer shuttle to Planet 6969.
Meanwhile, here is a taste of star wars with R2 as it really was. Unfortunately nepotism and intrigue had this scene cut from the movie.
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Just starting on first day in UK rushing Pfizer which fucked Trump for elections, and already effects and allergies. I will keep on trusting my old health, more safe for me.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2509894]Yeah, because you're not really Swedish in any appreciable or classical sense. Regardless of whatever citizenship, you're just a rando who emulates all the worst things about the American experience.
Side notes, not really sure what videos about universal personal space has anything to do with preferences for small social circles.[/QUOTE]You must stop making a fool out of yourself, if you had read the post which I responded to you would have seen that he mentioned personal space in his post. Why are you so stupid?
I don't know what you're or where you are from but if I had to guess I would say that you're probably created in a lab in an attempt to create the dumbest and most arrogant person the world has ever seen.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2510044]You cannot be serious. That video shows a stranger attempting to get into kissing range, chest-to-chest. Every person in every culture would retreat if a stranger were to do that. Likewise choosing a seat next to someone when there is nothing but free seats around is creepy in any culture. At that point, we are just talking personal safety.
Look at the spontaneous photos that were taken at Scandinavian bus stops that pre-date the pandemic 2015-2018. Busy bus stops with 20-30 people waiting, yet people form these long lines where each person is 2-3 meters apart. Foreigners take photos of this cultural phenomenon because it is so different to what they find back home. Scandinavians make that extra effort to keep away from each other. Here is another one taken up close where we can more closely gauge how far apart people actually are. This is NOT taken April 2020 at the height of CV19 hysteria, but September 2019. [URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/Finland/comments/d3knjz/currently_witnessing_the_finnish_bus_stop/[/URL].
You can find dozens of videos of Scandinavians posting "10 things not to do in Sweden" or "5 ways to annoy Finnish". Virtually all them advise not to small talk and to maintain proper distance protocol (and these videos will also predate the pandemic). You can find cultural handbooks on how to conduct business in Scandinavia (advising foreign businessmen to maintain distance). Essentially these guides are made specifically for foreigners, so they know not to behave as they are accustomed to back home. These guides would NOT be necessary if there were not drastic cultural differences. Without them, one might accidentally offend or create misunderstandings with the other party. Or lead to uncomfortable and awkward situations. In a hundred years, as the world globalizes, this concept of personal space may erode, but the Scandinavians still seem to retain habits from their more insular past.[/QUOTE]All the pictures you've posted links to are from Finland. I've never been to Finland but they're considered to be different from the rest of Scandinavia. They certainly have less immigrants than the rest of us. You make the mistake of assuming that all Scandinavian countries are alike when not even all regions in Scandinavian countries are the same. The people in Skåne are jokingly referred to as Danes and the the people in Norrland as different from the rest of the world.
It's not that you don't have a point, the problem is merely that you and the links you've posted are so exaggerated. Like the clip for that film or whatever it is, people are not laughing at it because it's true. They're laughing because it's so ridiculous. The next thing should be to show the problem of polar bears in Stockholm.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2510034]So jealous faker with many profiles, Takedown, escape artist and others? I remember so funny at GT with Lucifer who came to me.[/QUOTE]Yes, I also remember being stalked in the GT locker room by an elderly man 15 minutes after closing wanting the deets. It was Scary.
But what does that have anything to do with silly posting of American covid numbers with France doing just as shitty?
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2510070]So you really believe that weak people won't be safer in hazmat suits irrespective of if others are or aren't wearing masks, compared to just wearing masks and keep expecting everyone else would wear masks?[/QUOTE]I'll play this dumb thought exercise that has no intention of actual fruitful discussion. (It's really an attempt at philosophical sabotage but I'll play).
Yes. But why stop at "weak". If everyone wore a hazmat anytime they are around another human, transmission would be close to zero.
But how do we define weak? Is age 64 years and 11 months strong and 65 years weak? Is someone with a glycosolated blood sugar of 6. 4 considered "strong" because he is just prediabetic while someone with a 6.5 value considered weak?
Everyone wearing masks in crowded spaces, practical. Less effective, more practical.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2510063]After almost a year into this crisis and people still don't understand that wearing a mask is one of the weapons we have to limit the spread of the virus. Together with distancing and regular hand-washing, masks are the only weapons we have until vaccines become widely available. If everybody had taken these measures seriously from the start, we wouldn't be in such a mess and we would still be enjoying our beloved FKK clubs.[/QUOTE]What kind of stupid believes that everybody will do exactly what he wants (or wishes) everybody to do? And, what kind of moron believes that trying that same failed "requesting everybody to do same thing" repeatedly will result in different result? LOL.
Time to try something else genius. Try hazmat suits 24 x7 if you are weak or scared or both, leave alone those "everybody" who doesn't fall under your wishful dictatorship.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2510172]I'll play this dumb thought exercise that has no intention of actual fruitful discussion. (It's really an attempt at philosophical sabotage but I'll play).
Yes. But why stop at "weak". If everyone wore a hazmat anytime they are around another human, transmission would be close to zero.
But how do we define weak? Is age 64 years and 11 months strong and 65 years weak? Is someone with a glycosolated blood sugar of 6. 4 considered "strong" because he is just prediabetic while someone with a 6.5 value considered weak?
Everyone wearing masks in crowded spaces, practical. Less effective, more practical.[/QUOTE]LOL weak people, you know who you are. Same like you know if you need Viagra to see a girl in FKK, you don't need me to define that, hopefully.
If you don't know if you are weak or vulnerable to this virus, but scared as shit, just go ahead and start wearing a hazmat suit 24 xv7. This whole concept of expecting everybody in the whole world following such stupid orders like sheeples is getting ridiculous. Come back to reality ding dong.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2510172]Yes. But why stop at "weak".[/QUOTE]Same reason you don't want to put ventilators to every Covid patient, or do a heart surgery on someone who doesn't need it. Start reading your own posts before clicking the "upload report" button, then you won't look this stupid LOL.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2510160]You must stop making a fool out of yourself, if you had read the post which I responded to you would have seen that he mentioned personal space in his post. Why are you so stupid?
I don't know what you're or where you are from but if I had to guess I would say that you're probably created in a lab in an attempt to create the dumbest and most arrogant person the world has ever seen.[/QUOTE]Once again, you are technically correct. Yay. But what good is it when you missed the main point of small social circles and less social interactions? You can't even see the forest beyond the trees. It's the first sign of someone who has enough knowledge just to be dangerous. Those are usually the people who have stumbled on some info or knowledge but lack the natural or developed intellect to actually make fruitful use of it.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2510181]What kind of stupid believes that everybody will do exactly what he wants (or wishes) everybody to do? And, what kind of moron believes that trying that same failed "requesting everybody to do same thing" repeatedly will result in different result? LOL.
Time to try something else genius. Try hazmat suits 24 x7 if you are weak or scared or both, leave alone those "everybody" who doesn't fall under your wishful dictatorship.[/QUOTE]I guess you are against drunk driving laws and their efficacy too huh? Oh the tyranny!
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2510203]Same reason you don't want to put ventilators to every Covid patient, or do a heart surgery on someone who doesn't need it. Start reading your own posts before clicking the "upload report" button, then you won't look this stupid LOL.[/QUOTE]Seems that's the same hyperbolic logic you've been using with references to hazmat suits. Perhaps take a pause yourself before submitting?
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2510184]LOL weak people, you know who you are. Same like you know if you need Viagra to see a girl in FKK, you don't need me to define that, hopefully.
If you don't know if you are weak or vulnerable to this virus, but scared as shit, just go ahead and start wearing a hazmat suit 24 xv7. This whole concept of expecting everybody in the whole world following such stupid orders like sheeples is getting ridiculous. Come back to reality ding dong.[/QUOTE]Funny you label me scared when one of us here is the one who actually exposes himself to covid airways 3-4 days a week. 3 intubations this week and probably another half dozen to go.
We don't need everyone to listen to reason, just an effective majority to overcome the detrimental voices like yours. I'll again reference the compliance and efficacy rates in Australia and New Zealand, societies not exactly known for blind compliance. Still waiting on a retort to their effective response. Go on, I'll keep waiting.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2510131]Just starting on first day in UK rushing Pfizer which fucked Trump for elections, and already effects and allergies. I will keep on trusting my old health, more safe for me.[/QUOTE]Read entire articles, not eye catching titles:
"So far, the FDA said that the number of Bell's palsy cases seen in the Pfizer vaccine trial was 'consistent with the background frequency of reported Bell's palsy in the vaccine group that is consistent with the expected background rate in the general population, and there is no clear basis upon which to conclude a causal relationship at this time,' but will keep a close watch on future cases."
[URL]www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9030943/amp/Four-volunteers-got-Pfizers-vaccine-developed-Bells-palsy.html[/URL]
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2510160]You must stop making a fool out of yourself, if you had read the post which I responded to you would have seen that he mentioned personal space in his post. Why are you so stupid?
I don't know what you're or where you are from but if I had to guess I would say that you're probably created in a lab in an attempt to create the dumbest and most arrogant person the world has ever seen.[/QUOTE]Why am I so stupid? Probably my poor American public education, who knows for sure?
Anyway, see the forest above the trees. Yes you are technically correct, but the whole point was to show how Swedes keep small social circles, limit unnecessary interactions, and thus limiting respiratory spread. Let's keep focus.
But on the topic of being technically right or wrong for poorly consequential points. Not all of his figures were of Finland.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2510165]All the pictures you've posted links to are from Finland. I've never been to Finland but they're considered to be different from the rest of Scandinavia. They certainly have less immigrants than the rest of us. You make the mistake of assuming that all Scandinavian countries are alike when not even all regions in Scandinavian countries are the same. The people in Skne are jokingly referred to as Danes and the the people in Norrland as different from the rest of the world.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=McAdonis;2509525]Scandinavians also post commentary videos on this topic to help bridge cultural gaps and misunderstandings.
[URL]https://blogs.studyinsweden.se/2016/01/15/public-transport-sweden-bus-seating/[/URL].[/QUOTE]
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Gypsy tears
Girls: most of the FKK are from Romania and many gypsies. Get some onion, or make them cry, save the tears, wear them in in tiny test tube and WHAM: no covid, jew or anything else. All this tak.
Mursenary: maybe some holy water (gypsy tears) to save patients. Shoobree told me he saw it on Fox, so it must be good stuff.
Banged a hottie today, even in sex prison, a nice break from this crap.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2510215]Funny you label me scared when one of us here is the one who actually exposes himself to covid airways 3-4 days a week. 3 intubations this week and probably another half dozen to go.
We don't need everyone to listen to reason, just an effective majority to overcome the detrimental voices like yours. I'll again reference the compliance and efficacy rates in Australia and New Zealand, societies not exactly known for blind compliance. Still waiting on a retort to their effective response. Go on, I'll keep waiting.[/QUOTE]LOL I'm not labeling you as weak (this is another problem with some people, always putting their words onto someone else's mouth LOL), you should know if you are weak or not, and accordingly decide what's best for you. But please don't try to decide what's best for me or others who don't want your suggestions. Clear now?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2510206]I guess you are against drunk driving laws and their efficacy too huh? Oh the tyranny![/QUOTE]Dude, drunk driving isn't something normal. Going to school, college, work, dinner, FKK these are normal people activities. You don't see the difference? Did you drink the whole bottle? LOL.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2510181]What kind of stupid believes that everybody will do exactly what he wants (or wishes) everybody to do? And, what kind of moron believes that trying that same failed "requesting everybody to do same thing" repeatedly will result in different result? LOL.[/QUOTE]This sentence makes no sense and it makes you sound like an idiot! Asking people to do the right thing is no longer worth it now? However, your 'LOL' at the end makes me hope you were kidding!
[QUOTE=Gino02;2510181]Time to try something else genius. Try hazmat suits 24 x7 if you are weak or scared or both, leave alone those "everybody" who doesn't fall under your wishful dictatorship.[/QUOTE]No, fucking moron, you don't have the liberty of infecting vulnerable people. Your freedom ends there.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2510165]It's not that you don't have a point, the problem is merely that you and the links you've posted are so exaggerated. Like the clip for that film or whatever it is, people are not laughing at it because it's true.[/QUOTE]As I said these are generalizations and there are exceptions to every rule. You could find Spanish loners who minimize social contact just as you could find Swedish that crave social contact, but I do not think you would find many people who will disagree with the statement that "Spanish are more warm and social than Swedish". Expats will often exchange experiences about what it is like to live in different countries and Sweden, being an English-friendly country, will come up often. Over and over you will find accounts like these:
[QUOTE]The Swedes have certain social behavioral rules that they uphold very strictly. And rule number one goes as follows: you do not intrude into another persons sphere. This goes as far as to not greet your neighbor in the corridor because youd rather spend some awkward 30 seconds of silence in the elevator than engage in small-talk. I guess what Im trying to say is: if you want to overcome social anxiety, Sweden is probably not the best place to move to. While spending time in countries such as England and Germany has encouraged me to open more and be more relaxed towards other people, Sweden has done the exact opposite to me. Honestly, Ive become much more introverted in this country because nobody ever encourages you to socialize in any way.
https://fabiamorger.wordpress.com/2016/03/24/sweden-a-country-of-introverts/
[/QUOTE]Here is an academic paper submitted to a Swedish university:
[QUOTE]The purpose of this study was to examine the relevance and experience of social interaction in Lund, Sweden. Contemporary Sweden has been subjected to a global reputation of being a society whose social climate is viewed as one of high reservation, and unsociability. The assumption that native Swedes are shy, and prefer solitude are other perceptions. Statistical reports of mental health seem to indicate a discrepancy between the considerably functional welfare status Sweden has earned globally with its egalitarian message and commitment to life quality for its citizens versus its reputation as a faulty social climate, causing headlines around integration policies. This study used a phenomenological, emergent design in which five qualitative interviews were conducted consisting of three native, and two non-native Swedes. The narrative texts were analyzed with the Meaning Constitution Analysis (MCA) -Minerva (Phenomenological software program) as well as analysis of entity and predicate content from the interview material. The results reveal that Swedish social climate is perceived as being one with high levels of isolation, reservation, individualism, in which Swedish social norms contributes to the challenges of loneliness, exclusion, the lacking of trust and openness, perceived to exist within social interactions amongst individuals.
https://lup.lub.lu.se/student-papers/search/publication/7513678.[/QUOTE]Look Sweden had no mandatory lockdown. So if Swedish had been social as say people in Latin America, than we should expect maybe 70 percent of the Swedish population to already have antibodies, and if 70 percent had acquired antibodies naturally, then there would be no second wave, because it is extremely rare to be re-infected. New cases are several hundred percent over the summer peaks. Increased testing would not explain this sharp increase in new cases because they have not ramped up their testing by several hundred percent.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2510044].......... Scandinavians make that extra effort to keep away from each other. Here is another one taken up close where we can more closely gauge how far apart people actually are. This is NOT taken April 2020 at the height of CV19 hysteria, but September 2019. [URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/Finland/comments/d3knjz/currently_witnessing_the_finnish_bus_stop/[/URL]........[/QUOTE]I just had to respond to this. I visited Sweden in 1992 and went into a department store to buy a towel, a female store attendant came to me to assist and while we were talking she came very close to me. The reason why I remember that after all these years is because that was the closest a store attendant had ever come to me. It just stuck in my memory. She was actually quite hot.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2510389]I just had to respond to this. I visited Sweden in 1992 and went into a department store to buy a towel, a female store attendant came to me to assist and while we were talking she came very close to me. The reason why I remember that after all these years is because that was the closest a store attendant had ever come to me. It just stuck in my memory. She was actually quite hot.[/QUOTE]In the old days or tourist books, I would read it beforehand, and afterwards wonder if the author had even been to the place, since I often found the reality so different than what I had read.
I was discussing the French rudeness with a bike tour guide in Portugal once at the exact time some asshole started honking at us because we were theoretically in the wrong lane but it would have been too difficult to turn from the correct lane. The guide pointed out that if I was writing a review of Portugal, I would be overly biased by the person honking the horn.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2510389]I just had to respond to this. I visited Sweden in 1992 and went into a department store to buy a towel, a female store attendant came to me to assist and while we were talking she came very close to me. The reason why I remember that after all these years is because that was the closest a store attendant had ever come to me. It just stuck in my memory. She was actually quite hot.[/QUOTE]Nah you are lying. The basement Internet "experts" already proved that Swedish people don't come close to another human being. Ever.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2510220]Why am I so stupid? Probably my poor American public education, who knows for sure?
Anyway, see the forest above the trees. Yes you are technically correct, but the whole point was to show how Swedes keep small social circles, limit unnecessary interactions, and thus limiting respiratory spread. Let's keep focus.
But on the topic of being technically right or wrong for poorly consequential points. Not all of his figures were of Finland.[/QUOTE]Was that link included in the post that I responded to? No. Or did you think I've read all his posts, LMFAO!
I'm not interested in your irrelevant gibberish.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2510340]This sentence makes no sense and it makes you sound like an idiot! Asking people to do the right thing is no longer worth it now? However, your 'LOL' at the end makes me hope you were kidding!
No, fucking moron, you don't have the liberty of infecting vulnerable people. Your freedom ends there.[/QUOTE]Brother, "right thing" is simply a relative statement. For example, rioting and looting is not the "right thing" to me when protesting, though it is "right thing" according to many people. Same about this virus situation. I don't think it is a "right thing" to force me to inhale my own toxic carbon-dioxide and stop going to gym, thus impacting my future health just to delay deaths of some people who weren't careful about their own health earlier, who smokes, drinks too much and do drugs, who doesn't work out and who chose to eat bad for years and thus self-created their own weaker health condition. Those people should have taken care of themselves all through their lives as opposed to now asking me to ruin my health to delay their deaths. If they want to live longer, now they should wear hazmat suits 24 x 7 to avoid the virus and start living healthy life.
It's not my personal virus, it's something in the flora and fauna, it's something in the air and everywhere. Nobody is infecting vulnerable people willingly (well, except for China). The weak people simply don't have the necessary natural immunity to fight the virus (see above for reasons for most cases). My freedom has nothing to do with it.
It simply doesn't make sense that so many of you are against the suggestion of weak and / or scared people wearing hazmat suits 24 x7. Aren't the hazmat suits scientifically proven to be the best protection to avoid any virus or pathogen?
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2510386]As I said these are generalizations and there are exceptions to every rule. You could find Spanish loners who minimize social contact just as you could find Swedish that crave social contact, but I do not think you would find many people who will disagree with the statement that "Spanish are more warm and social than Swedish". Expats will often exchange experiences about what it is like to live in different countries and Sweden, being an English-friendly country, will come up often. Over and over you will find accounts like these:
Here is an academic paper submitted to a Swedish university:
Look Sweden had no mandatory lockdown. So if Swedish had been social as say people in Latin America, than we should expect maybe 70 percent of the Swedish population to already have antibodies, and if 70 percent had acquired antibodies naturally, then there would be no second wave, because it is extremely rare to be re-infected. New cases are several hundred percent over the summer peaks. Increased testing would not explain this sharp increase in new cases because they have not ramped up their testing by several hundred percent.[/QUOTE]Exaggerations, speculations and faulty conclusions. There shouldn't be any cases at all in Sweden if the way you describe things was true. The ability to perform tests increased drastically compared to the spring. In March / April people basically received the message that there's no idea to get tested because of the shortage of tests. Now and earlier in the fall the message was another, come and get tested! Everyone who wants to get tested will get tested. It's not possible to compare then and now. The message to the public changed drastically and in Sweden the people listen. The situation would be a different if not such a large part of the population got the virus in the first wave.
It's more interesting to look at the housing situation and the public health than to make ignorant comments about other people's culture.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2510386]As I said these are generalizations and there are exceptions to every rule. You could find Spanish loners who minimize social contact just as you could find Swedish that crave social contact, but I do not think you would find many people who will disagree with the statement that "Spanish are more warm and social than Swedish". Expats will often exchange experiences about what it is like to live in different countries and Sweden, being an English-friendly country, will come up often. Over and over you will find accounts like these:
Here is an academic paper submitted to a Swedish university:
Look Sweden had no mandatory lockdown. So if Swedish had been social as say people in Latin America, than we should expect maybe 70 percent of the Swedish population to already have antibodies, and if 70 percent had acquired antibodies naturally, then there would be no second wave, because it is extremely rare to be re-infected. New cases are several hundred percent over the summer peaks. Increased testing would not explain this sharp increase in new cases because they have not ramped up their testing by several hundred percent.[/QUOTE]Oh, and let me tell an anecdote about the "warm&social Spaniards". I was lost in Malaga so when I saw two women walking by so I went up and asked them for the directions and they just walked around me without uttering a word. So much for your "warm&social Spaniards".
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2510389]I just had to respond to this. I visited Sweden in 1992 and went into a department store to buy a towel, a female store attendant came to me to assist and while we were talking she came very close to me. The reason why I remember that after all these years is because that was the closest a store attendant had ever come to me. It just stuck in my memory. She was actually quite hot.[/QUOTE]If she got within a forearm's length away from you, then that is kissing range. And I would say a 99 percent chance, she was flirting with you But I would say that is universal across all cultures.
Cultural context matters. This concept of personal space isn't rocket science. Can we agree that some cultures are more touchy, feelier than others? Again this will vary between individuals and whether alcohol is involved. If a civilian Latina touches my arm, that is probably something she does with all her friends. I would have to rely on other cues to determine if she is actually flirting with me. If a civilian Nordic or German girl touches my arm while speaking then I would say there is a significantly higher likelihood that she is flirting. Now if a girl, touches my crotch, then there is no ambiguity. I would say that is universal across all cultures.
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3 Studies That Show Lockdowns Are Ineffective at Slowing COVID-19
[URL]https://fee.org/articles/3-studies-that-show-lockdowns-are-ineffective-at-slowing-covid-19/[/URL]
Convinced now?
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2509075]It's funny that you're so obsessed with me that you go through my posts that are several months old. I guess I can live rent free in your empty head. At the time of my post Ireland had more deaths than Sweden.[/QUOTE]No ShooTroll once again you're lying, Ireland had always less deaths than Sweden, look at this graph.
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-19..latest&country=SWE~IRL®ion=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc[/URL]
See how the Ireland curve is always clearly under the Sweden curve? And see how the Sweden curve is steeper now?
Oops sorry I made again a big mistake, Sweden was under Ireland between the 12th and the 13th of March! Maybe you wrote your post the 13th of March?
As for the rest of your bullshit, I'll correct you again later when I won't be in a hurry to go to bed or to eat.
Until then, some readings for you:
[URL]https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/[/URL] (I love the title).
[URL]https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/28759/the-swedish-model-is-a-failure-not-a-panacea[/URL]
[URL]https://www.ft.com/content/4f6ad356-9f61-4728-a9aa-3fa1f232035a[/URL]
[URL]https://covidfactcheck.se/[/URL]
Did you read the [URL]nature.com[/URL] article about your fantasized herd immunity? Fascinating no?
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2510315]LOL I'm not labeling you as weak (this is another problem with some people, always putting their words onto someone else's mouth LOL), you should know if you are weak or not, and accordingly decide what's best for you. But please don't try to decide what's best for me or others who don't want your suggestions. Clear now?[/QUOTE]Fair enough.
But "weak," whatever that means. At least 50 percent of hospitalized covid patients had no diagnosed comorbidities and over half are under 65. But here you are, remaining focused on death as being the only point of measurement.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2510317]Dude, drunk driving isn't something normal. Going to school, college, work, dinner, FKK these are normal people activities. You don't see the difference? Did you drink the whole bottle? LOL.[/QUOTE]Drunk driving is not normal NOW. It took decades of various state laws and social initiative to get us to where we are today. It's called progress and evolution, try to embrace it.
I bet in the early 1900's there were idiots like yourself screaming, "damn laws are infringing on my freedom. Kid should have gotten out of the way faster. ".
[QUOTE=Gino02;2510489][URL]https://fee.org/articles/3-studies-that-show-lockdowns-are-ineffective-at-slowing-covid-19/[/URL]
Convinced now?[/QUOTE]I'm not especially pro lock down but against bastardization of science by people who don't understand the process.
So No, not convinced, especially when citing a third party organization cherry picking inconclusive studies.
Here are direct links to actual peer reviewed studies not published by an organization with an agenda:
[URL]https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32153-X/fulltext[/URL]
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7268966/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30201-7/fulltext[/URL]
[URL]https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m2809[/URL]
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2510432]Was that link included in the post that I responded to? No. Or did you think I've read all his posts, LMFAO!
I'm not interested in your irrelevant gibberish.[/QUOTE]Right. Sounds like a lapse in personal responsibility on your part. In the end, still wrong, either in your assertions or your understanding of the word, "all".
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2510543]Right. Sounds like a lapse in personal responsibility on your part. In the end, still wrong, either in your assertions or your understanding of the word, "all".[/QUOTE]You're wrong as usual, weirdo. You should get a life instead of being wrong all the time.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2510543]Right. Sounds like a lapse in personal responsibility on your part. In the end, still wrong, either in your assertions or your understanding of the word, "all".[/QUOTE]LOL, I should've read all his posts. That's my "responsibility". Seriously, get a life and a functioning brain too while you're at it.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2510501]No ShooTroll once again you're lying, Ireland had always less deaths than Sweden, look at this graph.
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-19..latest&country=SWE~IRL®ion=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc[/URL]
See how the Ireland curve is always clearly under the Sweden curve? And see how the Sweden curve is steeper now?
Oops sorry I made again a big mistake, Sweden was under Ireland between the 12th and the 13th of March! Maybe you wrote your post the 13th of March?
As for the rest of your bullshit, I'll correct you again later when I won't be in a hurry to go to bed or to eat.[/QUOTE]Whatever you say bigtroll.
Sweden will have a lockdown as soon as we receive the money France and the other countries in the EU owe us.
I just had a look at the ten countries with most COVID-related deaths per capita and I couldn't find Sweden. So I increased it to 20 countries and I still couldn't find Sweden. I found France at #14, but I just couldn't find Sweden. It surely must be some kind of mistake.
Why didn't France have any lockdown?
Ireland and their strict restrictions failed, 427 deaths per million isn't impressive unless you compare them to France.
US media is a mess, its shameful how they're politicizing the pandemic and it's laughable when you refer to articles written by Frida Ghitis. She looks like a old, ugly tranny or lesbian and is regularly working for CNN, also known as FNN.
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html[/URL]
It's funny how CNN never mentioned the need for a lockdown when 60'000 Americans died in one year because of the regular flu. Where goes the line if a lockdown is needed or not? Though looking at France lockdowns seems pointless.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2510453]There shouldn't be any cases at all in Sweden if the way you describe things was true. The ability to perform tests increased drastically compared to the spring. [/QUOTE]The current number of new cases are outpacing the increases in testing capacity. Latest week of data for testing capacity is Week 47. Sweden's first peak was Week 26. Sweden's "miracle we proved the world wrong" was week 35.
246 percent increase in testing capacity, 328 percent increase in new infections:
Week 26, June 22 to 28,75171 tests, 7460 new cases..[/QUOTE]I said Swedish tend to keep to themselves, which would reduce spread, not result in "no cases at all". This is no different than people saying that Asian cultures are generally obedient and comply with the government mandates, which I would say is mostly true. Culture matters.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2510481]If she got within a forearm's length away from you, then that is kissing range. And I would say a 99 percent chance, she was flirting with you But I would say that is universal across all cultures........[/QUOTE]Good point. She was definitely within kissing range but I don't think she was flirting with me as she was all business. It was my one and only visit to Scandinavia and I found the girls in Sweden and Denmark very friendly. I went to a public beach in Malmo and most of the women were topless, do they still go topless there? I remember in the afternoon the girls would go to the beach straight from work and change into their bikini bottoms right there on the beach, full nudity for a few seconds. I really liked the Scandinavian girls.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2510719]Good point. She was definitely within kissing range but I don't think she was flirting with me as she was all business. It was my one and only visit to Scandinavia and I found the girls in Sweden and Denmark very friendly. I went to a public beach in Malmo and most of the women were topless, do they still go topless there? I remember in the afternoon the girls would go to the beach straight from work and change into their bikini bottoms right there on the beach, full nudity for a few seconds. I really liked the Scandinavian girls.[/QUOTE]Agree with you, worked also in Sweden, it was the only country where I had 2 times women nocking on the door from my hotel and not prostitutes like in Africa, or China.
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Aw man. The attachment pretty much sums up my discussions here every single day. Hah!
These discussions are:
40% Disappointing.
30% Frustrating.
20% Depressing.
10% Fucking hilarious because 10% of retards are actually pretty fucking funny.
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Links for #2464
[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102193/coronavirus-cases-development-in-sweden/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1133055/weekly-number-of-coronavirus-tests-in-sweden/[/URL]
Between Week 26 (first peak) and Week 47, Sweden's testing capacity increased by 246 percent and new infections increased by 328 percent. Between Week 35 (best week) and Week 47, Sweden's testing capacity increased by 205 percent and new infections increased by 2564 percent. That is NOT a typo.
If you look back at my post history, I cautiously started to jump on the Sweden bandwagon around Week 35. I was about 70 percent convinced that Sweden had taken the correct approach. During these miracle weeks, Sweden only had a few hundred new cases per day, so I made the assumption: "Sweden never locked down. Entire population must have been engaging in pre-pandemic levels of social contact. Everyone must have antibodies and that's why there are so few new cases". I was just waiting for data to confirm my assumption. If on Week 35, Tegnell had put out an official statement "We estimate 50-60 percent of our population has antibodies, and in a few short weeks we should reach herd immunity", I would have been 100 percent convinced. But Tegnell, never did that. And with the exponential surge in new cases the past few weeks, I now know that my assumption was wrong.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2510541]Fair enough.
But "weak," whatever that means. At least 50 percent of hospitalized covid patients had no diagnosed comorbidities and over half are under 65. But here you are, remaining focused on death as being the only point of measurement.[/QUOTE]Only if they disclosed all their drinking and drug habits. Every "healthy" person I know who had severe sickness from Coronavirus, have serious drinking and drugs habit, obviously they don't disclose that to their doctors or hospitals. Maybe exactly why Trump recovered quickly as he doesn't drink alcohol and doesn't do drugs?
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Obesity and COVID
Mursenary. Or Nursenary said "At least 50 percent of hospitalized covid patients had no diagnosed comorbidities and over half are under 65. But here you are, remaining focused on death as being the only point of measurement".
Was there any other correlation, such as obesity or poverty?
All of this was preventable with Gypsy tears with Borat-Shoobree Technology University (BS TU).
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Reading all of his posts or not, we at least know that you read the one being contested. Silly goose.
The thing about the internet, is that there's often a "paper" trail.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2510642]You're wrong as usual, weirdo. You should get a life instead of being wrong all the time.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mursenary;2510543]Right. Sounds like a lapse in personal responsibility on your part. In the end, still wrong, either in your assertions or your understanding of the word, "all".[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2510432]Was that link included in the post that I responded to? No. Or did you think I've read all his posts, LMFAO!
I'm not interested in your irrelevant gibberish.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mursenary;2510220]
But on the topic of being technically right or wrong for poorly consequential points. [b]Not all of his figures were of Finland.[/b][/QUOTE][QUOTE=ShooBree;2510165][b]All the pictures you've posted links to are from Finland.[/b][/QUOTE][QUOTE=McAdonis;2510044]You cannot be serious. That video shows a stranger attempting to get into kissing range, chest-to-chest. Every person in every culture would retreat if a stranger were to do that. Likewise choosing a seat next to someone when there is nothing but free seats around is creepy in any culture. At that point, we are just talking personal safety.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ShooBree;2509835]I see that you still don't understand Scandinavians / Swedes, they're the least patriotic people in the world. They don't mind jokes being made on their expense not do they mind the gross exaggerations. For them it's easier to laugh than to correct the person since they don't really care anyways.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=McAdonis;2509525]This was a joint Swedish American sitcom that aired on TV4 in Sweden. At 1 min15 Swedish wife explains to her American husband how Swedish don't really make new friends: [URL]https://youtu.be/1JHgLF6X9KU[/URL].
[u][b]NOT FINLAND-->[/b][/u][URL]https://blogs.studyinsweden.se/2016/01/15/public-transport-sweden-bus-seating/[/URL] [u][b]<-- NOT FINLAND[/b][/u].[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2510788]I cautiously started to jump on the Sweden bandwagon around Week 35. I was about 70 percent convinced that Sweden had taken the correct approach. During these miracle weeks, Sweden only had a few hundred new cases per day, so I made the assumption: "Sweden never locked down. Entire population must have been engaging in pre-pandemic levels of social contact. Everyone must have antibodies and that's why there are so few new cases". I was just waiting for data to confirm my assumption. If on Week 35, Tegnell had put out an official statement "We estimate 50-60 percent of our population has antibodies, and in a few short weeks we should reach herd immunity", I would have been 100 percent convinced. But Tegnell, never did that. And with the exponential surge in new cases the past few weeks, I now know that my assumption was wrong.[/QUOTE]Same experience here, although I don't necessarily think that their model is wrong, provided that you define the Swedish model as not instituting mandates and relying on the responsible actions of a reasonable populace. How the pandemic number plays out will determine that.
That's the funny think about being a person of reason, you can find new data and adjust your conclusions. One might even call it the process of science. Go figure.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2510789]Only if they disclosed all their drinking and drug habits. Every "healthy" person I know who had severe sickness from Coronavirus, have serious drinking and drugs habit, obviously they don't disclose that to their doctors or hospitals. Maybe exactly why Trump recovered quickly as he doesn't drink alcohol and doesn't do drugs?[/QUOTE]Still no retort on cherry picking articles and effectiveness of Oceanic and East Asian countries' pandemic response I see. I'll keep waiting.
Otherwise, weak argument hanging on by a thread for sure. The funny thing about drinking and drug habits is that labs values and diagnostics don't lie even when the patient does. Liver function and renal function, the ER works that up as soon as the patient enters the hospital. During covid times, nearly all undiagnosed comorbidities are found within the first 48 hours.
The funny thing about comorbidities is that people don't even know they have them. Average forty year old men often have no idea that they are in the beginning stages of vascular, intestinal, and prostate disease. I've seen plenty of skinny Asian men with perfect vital signs and unremarkable clinical presentation but lab values and imaging revealed a rotten, deteriorating core. There are tons of middle aged and athletic black men with undiagnosed diabetes and renal disease. There are plenty of endurance athlete type white men and bodybuilders with kiwi sized prostates, intestinal polyps stretching the entire rectum, and a heart the size of small melon. The thing is, preventative care is weak all over the world and how many hear have had a full cardiac work up, prostate imaging, renal function ultrasounds, lab work beyond the annual generic metabolic panels?
The other day a 40 year old guy, a healthcare provider even, made the comment that his age group gave him a 99.9 percent chance of survival. I asked about the risk profile for his BMI, crickets. I'm sure the same goes for many of the posters on this forum. We have one man bragging about his cardiovascular conquests on the Alpine slopes, while completely unaware of what appears to be a thyroid disorder, not to mention an obvious personality disorder (not my field, just and educated obs). I've spoken to a man bragging about his use of fitness masks on extended treadmill sessions; meanwhile, I see him scarfing down 2 times the suggested daily carbohydrate recommendation in one sitting, adding to his already girthy belly.
Trump did fine because he had the luxury of early treatment, pre-symptomatic diagnosis, 12:1 doctor-patient ratios, an entire dedicated nursing team, and 24 hour cardiac and respiratory monitoring. All labs were ordered STAT and meds were given without delay. Exactly the opposite scenario when people like yourself promote loosey goosey social interactions without the use of the most simplistic protective gear. (Carbon dioxide toxicity with a light face covering. GTFOH!) Then you end up with doctor and nursing ratios that compromise quality of care, lab delays, pharmacy delays, errors, omissions, bam, that's how the covid pandemic works in the healthcare world.
No need to respond, just keep your mouth shut, and contribute to the prolongation of this pandemic silently. We'll keep recruiting more unbiased minds for an effective majority to make up for your nonsensical actions.
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More on Gypsy tears and nympho Swedish nurses
Sigh. Tedious. It is well known from Xavier Hollander, Private X and other scientific sources that Swedish women are nymphos with progressive values and this provides COVID protection. In Kazakhstan we have NEGATIVE covid rates thanks to centuries old custom of Gypsy tears amulets that also averted the AIDS and jewish crisis. Comrade Borat has hugely helped spread the word and mankinis that drive women mad with lust. The president is trying to isolate Gypsy tears DNA to help the whole world. Also under discussions are FKKs as a public service.
I can only conclude Shoobree has been out of Sweden too long and is angry because he is horny from no Swedish nympho au pairs or FKKS, and Nursenary needs one of the nurses to provide relief. Swedish hospitals are great for male patients, maybe Shoobree and Nursenary can go there and have hot, busty and progressive minded nurses provide a holistic approach to stiffness and swelling. Hell, I should get admitted, and quite a few readers here might get the same idea.
Boys. Lighten up. Have fun. Think of beautiful women, life and fun.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2509603]You should probably start taking your meds again, weirdo.[/QUOTE]One of the very few points in which we agree. I can confirm, not a pleasant personality to be around.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2508470]Great, another weirdo obsessing over me.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2508329]It is a fact I read on facebook, so it must be true. Or maybe it was Shoobree. Does not matter.
The "fact" of the matter is that COVID is CIA / conspiracy / UFO cover up by the evil government, and apparently devised by Richard Nixon in 1972. I have it on good authority Hitler is still alive in a Nazi den in the Antarctica and hooked up with Aryan aliens that have done modifications so an orgasm goes for 10 minutes, is 100 times more exciting and only takes 30 minutes to recover from. I've even heard the ladies have super sensitive extra clits in their anus and tonsils and love being ravished in that way.
And the Antarctica FKKs! Non sag F cup boobs, all free, no democrats and everyone is a billionaire. Who wants to join?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2510823]Reading all of his posts or not, we at least know that you read the one being contested. Silly goose.
The thing about the internet, is that there's often a "paper" trail.[/QUOTE]This is your problem, I wrote "pictures" and referred to a specific post, yet you bring fictional videos and a link to some weirdos blog from a different post totally unrelated to what I wrote. Further more the pictures in the blog showed a very normal behavior all across Europe. Are you incredibly dishonest or just stupid? You don't realize the difference between a picture and video based on fiction? It wasn't a documentary if that's what you thought. Your problem is that you're mentally challenged.
I strongly advice you to get a life and a functioning brain instead of stalking me and write untruthful comments.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2510719]Good point. She was definitely within kissing range but I don't think she was flirting with me as she was all business. It was my one and only visit to Scandinavia and I found the girls in Sweden and Denmark very friendly. I went to a public beach in Malmo and most of the women were topless, do they still go topless there? I remember in the afternoon the girls would go to the beach straight from work and change into their bikini bottoms right there on the beach, full nudity for a few seconds. I really liked the Scandinavian girls.[/QUOTE]Not sure Swedish and Danish girls are anymore so pretty than they were in 80's because more mix now rather than blond blue eyes for our past child fantasies. But I confirm few met on holidays and same for German, NL, Swiss or UK girls, were very friendly, UK girls being very welcoming for French guys but not the prettiest faces. Russians are the best looks for me, from blond Siberian with round face and small upturned nose, with fire under ice, to Oural or Tatar Latin beauties with straight nose, a bit like Romanians.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2510828]Same experience here, although I don't necessarily think that their model is wrong, provided that you define the Swedish model as not instituting mandates and relying on the responsible actions of a reasonable populace. How the pandemic number plays out will determine that.
That's the funny think about being a person of reason, you can find new data and adjust your conclusions. One might even call it the process of science. Go figure.[/QUOTE]I may have implied that Swedish model was wrong in my last post. I am still undecided. Evaluating the model I argue would require a more comprehensive cost-benefit analysis that takes into consideration economic damage, mental health outcomes, long-term health outcomes for CV19 survivors, in addition to deaths. I would argue that we won't know that until maybe a few years after this pandemic is behind us. But my pet peeve is the argument "no lockdown results in less deaths" which based on the current data we have now is simply not true, unless people deliberately use apples-to-oranges comparisons to support this argument.
Looking at the 50 USA states plus territories, if we want to evaluate their performance, I believe we should group them accordingly based on population density and geography. For instance, I would group Montana, Wyoming, North Dakota, and South Dakota together. Per square mile these four states have between six and eleven people. North Dakota has had the worst health outcome so far among the four. It has double the deaths per capita of Montana and almost triple the deaths per capita as Wyoming. These four states should not be compared to NJ which has 120 times more people per square mile of ND. Geography also plays a role. We can clearly see the deaths per capita being low in the geographically isolated states like Hawaii, Alaska and PR. Once flights became limited, you had very little inter-state and international travel.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_and_territories_of_the_United_States_by_population_density[/URL]
[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2510165]All the pictures you've posted [b]links[/b] to are from Finland.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2510941]This is your problem, I wrote "pictures" and referred to a specific post, yet you bring fictional videos[/QUOTE]Wrong again. Lookie here at the word "link".
It's sad that I'm better at your dumb game than you are. How embarrassing.
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Documentary on Swedish Autonomy, Independence, Solitude
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2510941]It wasn't a documentary if that's what you thought. Your problem is that you're mentally challenged.[/QUOTE]Trailer: [URL]https://youtu.be/hLgzDKL9T4s[/URL].
Full Documentary English subtitles: [URL]https://youtu.be/0UfkSthddCE[/URL].
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Let's add frequency of travel and timing of the spread to this argument. These rural states that lack high volumes of international travel were also spared the initial surge that was seen in NYC and Jersey in March. The virus spread through these dense populations without much of a public health response back in February and March. End result, deaths up to 1000 people per day. Fast forward to the recent surge and their death tolls and hospitalization rates remain much lower than all of these rural American states. In fact, NYC is doing better than most European countries.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2510988]I may have implied that Swedish model was wrong in my last post. I am still undecided. Evaluating the model I argue would require a more comprehensive cost-benefit analysis that takes into consideration economic damage, mental health outcomes, long-term health outcomes for CV19 survivors, in addition to deaths. I would argue that we won't know that until maybe a few years after this pandemic is behind us. But my pet peeve is the argument "no lockdown results in less deaths" which based on the current data we have now is simply not true, unless people deliberately use apples-to-oranges comparisons to support this argument.
Looking at the 50 USA states plus territories, if we want to evaluate their performance, I believe we should group them accordingly based on population density and geography. For instance, I would group Montana, Wyoming, North Dakota, and South Dakota together. Per square mile these four states have between six and eleven people. North Dakota has had the worst health outcome so far among the four. It has double the deaths per capita of Montana and almost triple the deaths per capita as Wyoming. These four states should not be compared to NJ which has 120 times more people per square mile of ND. Geography also plays a role. We can clearly see the deaths per capita being low in the geographically isolated states like Hawaii, Alaska and PR. Once flights became limited, you had very little inter-state and international travel.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_and_territories_of_the_United_States_by_population_density[/URL]
[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/[/URL][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2510841]Otherwise, weak argument hanging on by a thread for sure. The funny thing about drinking and drug habits is that labs values and diagnostics don't lie even when the patient does. Liver function and renal function, the ER works that up as soon as the patient enters the hospital. During covid times, nearly all undiagnosed comorbidities are found within the first 48 hours.[/QUOTE]Looks like stupids are now growing in the trees. They are now believing that when people are admitted to a hospital with Covid and die there, the hospital is telling the news "Hey news mama, 25 Covid patients died here today, out of them 10 were heavy drinkers and drug users, we found in their ER works lab diagnostics. We also sent this information with details to CDC". The same stupids also think that it didn't help Trump in getting well sooner by not drinking alcohol and not using drugs. Apparently to them, heavy drinking and using drugs do not make lungs, hearts and overall health weaker. How gullible can these stupid sheeple be? LOL.
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North Dakota with only bears, was down under covid not long ago, not only NYC, but San Francisco and California also not long ago. Thanksgiving will be a real killer. Strong US is real number 1, when they don't even know among more than 10 millions illegals and around 50 millions with no insurance, so they can't know about 60 millions of their people, France population. Wish Biden / Harris will make them improve for social and image in front of the world.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2511030]Looks like stupids are now growing in the trees. They are now believing that when people are admitted to a hospital with Covid and die there, the hospital is telling the news "Hey news mama, 25 Covid patients died here today, out of them 10 were heavy drinkers and drug users, we found in their ER works lab diagnostics. We also sent this information with details to CDC". The same stupids also think that it didn't help Trump in getting well sooner by not drinking alcohol and not using drugs. Apparently to them, heavy drinking and using drugs do not make lungs, hearts and overall health weaker. How gullible can these stupid sheeple be? LOL.[/QUOTE]And you know this how?
Fuck man, your shoobree is showing.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2510994]Wrong again. Lookie here at the word "link".
It's sad that I'm better at your dumb game than you are. How embarrassing.[/QUOTE]Your problem is that you don't know what you're talking about. You're without better than me at being dishonest and stupid. I honestly don't even know why I respond to your irrelevant and pointless lies.
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Levity, ribbing and nonsense aside, it is amusing to imagine a couple of mongers (aka sex tourists) casting judgment, especially for Mursenary who should know better, throwing stones in glass houses. I am not going to transgress accepted social mores or by being shallow, cowardly, petty or ungrateful. I'll leave you both in an infinitely recursive, eristile dialogue given that this forum is pretty much just the two of you.
I'm off to enjoy some real, warm, living, fun NON- P4 P female company rather than a keyboard.
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2511152]Levity, ribbing and nonsense aside, it is amusing to imagine a couple of mongers (aka sex tourists) casting judgment, especially for Mursenary who should know better, throwing stones in glass houses. I am not going to transgress accepted social mores or by being shallow, cowardly, petty or ungrateful. I'll leave you both in an infinitely recursive, eristile dialogue given that this forum is pretty much just the two of you.
I'm off to enjoy some real, warm, living, fun NON- P4 P female company rather than a keyboard.[/QUOTE]Buh bye. Enjoy fucking ugly chicks!
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2511129]Your problem is that you don't know what you're talking about. You're without better than me at being dishonest and stupid. I honestly don't even know why I respond to your irrelevant and pointless lies.[/QUOTE]Translation: "I'm taking my ball and I'm going home."
You got beat, accept it like a man.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2511007]Let's add frequency of travel and timing of the spread to this argument. These rural states that lack high volumes of international travel were also spared the initial surge that was seen in NYC and Jersey in March. The virus spread through these dense populations without much of a public health response back in February and March. End result, deaths up to 1000 people per day. Fast forward to the recent surge and their death tolls and hospitalization rates remain much lower than all of these rural American states. In fact, NYC is doing better than most European countries.[/QUOTE]On last weeks, not 1000 but more than 2000/2500 deaths per day for US, and spreading everywhere, even in cold rural North Dakota. Maybe only Alaska to be safe. They rush starting Pfizer on next week, under panic, when effects in UK. But vaccine don t prevent from getting and giving to others, maybe just avoiding to die, if not killing too many. I think pharma and medical will make big business about vaccines and to cure bad effects.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2510719]Good point. She was definitely within kissing range but I don't think she was flirting with me as she was all business. It was my one and only visit to Scandinavia and I found the girls in Sweden and Denmark very friendly. [/QUOTE]Scandinavian countries are "feminist". If a Swedish woman wants to flirt aggressively and occasionally have a one-night stand, society is less judgmental and there is less shaming. However, just because you click platonically or romantically on the first night you meet a Scandinavian, does not necessarily mean that they will open up to you (allow you into inner circle, meet regularly).
Nordics responding to stereotypes about them [URL]https://youtu.be/BpuiQk_v9mY[/URL]: "Nordics are very shy, reserved, and unemotional. Until they get drunk, they like to get drunk to an extreme" (1 min7's to 3 min13). Scandinavians agreed with both parts of this stereotype. A Swedish guy makes a response which is informative: "If you meet someone like super drunk and you have hilarious fun for five hours, if you meet them the next day, you won't say Hello". Swedish girl nods in agreement. This anecdote demonstrates two things: (1) Scandinavians have a harder shell or barrier to break past when moving from acquaintance to friend, and (2) Scandinavians don't stop to engage in small talk (what logically follows after a greeting). Like all people, they require social contact to survive, but they seem to not need it as much as other cultures. They are just socially more independent (as the documentary I posted suggests). And the fact that more Swedes live alone than the rest of the world reinforces the value that they place on this independence.
Interviewing people on street: "Are Swedes hard to get to know": [URL]https://youtu.be/sTXuQLfuMsg[/URL].
Survey of 15000 participants for worst country to make friends, Scandinavia dominates: [URL]https://www.iamexpat.nl/expat-info/dutch-expat-news/netherlands-ranked-one-worlds-worst-countries-making-friends[/URL].
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2511206]On last weeks, not 1000 but more than 2000/2500 deaths per day for US, and spreading everywhere, even in cold rural North Dakota. Maybe only Alaska to be safe. They rush starting Pfizer on next week, under panic, when effects in UK. But vaccine don t prevent from getting and giving to others, maybe just avoiding to die, if not killing too many. I think pharma and medical will make big business about vaccines and to cure bad effects.[/QUOTE]You should re-familiarize yourself on the concept of "R0, are-naught".
If you can understand, then maybe you will know.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2511238]Scandinavian countries are "feminist". If a Swedish woman wants to flirt aggressively and occasionally have a one-night stand, society is less judgmental and there is less shaming. However, just because you click platonically or romantically on the first night you meet a Scandinavian, does not necessarily mean that they will open up to you (allow you into inner circle, meet regularly).
Nordics responding to stereotypes about them [URL]https://youtu.be/BpuiQk_v9mY[/URL]: "Nordics are very shy, reserved, and unemotional. Until they get drunk, they like to get drunk to an extreme" (1 min7's to 3 min13). Scandinavians agreed with both parts of this stereotype. A Swedish guy makes a response which is informative: "If you meet someone like super drunk and you have hilarious fun for five hours, if you meet them the next day, you won't say Hello". Swedish girl nods in agreement. This anecdote demonstrates two things: (1) Scandinavians have a harder shell or barrier to break past when moving from acquaintance to friend, and (2) Scandinavians don't stop to engage in small talk (what logically follows after a greeting). Like all people, they require social contact to survive, but they seem to not need it as much as other cultures. They are just socially more independent (as the documentary I posted suggests). And the fact that more Swedes live alone than the rest of the world reinforces the value that they place on this independence.
Interviewing people on street: "Are Swedes hard to get to know": [URL]https://youtu.be/sTXuQLfuMsg[/URL].
Survey of 15000 participants for worst country to make friends, Scandinavia dominates: [URL]https://www.iamexpat.nl/expat-info/dutch-expat-news/netherlands-ranked-one-worlds-worst-countries-making-friends[/URL].[/QUOTE]The question is how did Scandinavian girls (especially Swedish) get the reputation in the 1960's for being easy? I remember as a boy my friends and I used to dream of going to Sweden. All the porn we watched at the time was from Sweden and the older guys we knew at the time who visited Sweden told us how easy it was to get laid in Sweden, much easier than the States even though it was the age of free sex. What happened?
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Swedish Erotica
[QUOTE=Turgid;2511301]The question is how did Scandinavian girls (especially Swedish) get the reputation in the 1960's for being easy? I remember as a boy my friends and I used to dream of going to Sweden. All the porn we watched at the time was from Sweden and the older guys we knew at the time who visited Sweden told us how easy it was to get laid in Sweden, much easier than the States even though it was the age of free sex. What happened?[/QUOTE]The Swedish Erotica line of loops probably had a lot to do with it. Although, I don't know that the production of these movies had anything to do with Sweden at all. In fact their hugest star, who went by the stage name of "Seka", was / is an American woman originally from Virginia LOL!
[URL]https://www.hotmovies.com/series/28650/Swedish-Erotica-8mm-/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2511128]And you know this how?[/QUOTE]And you know I am wrong how? I know at least in one case (my friend) hospital didn't disclose that he was heavy user of drugs.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2511301]The question is how did Scandinavian girls (especially Swedish) get the reputation in the 1960's for being easy? I remember as a boy my friends and I used to dream of going to Sweden. All the porn we watched at the time was from Sweden and the older guys we knew at the time who visited Sweden told us how easy it was to get laid in Sweden, much easier than the States even though it was the age of free sex. What happened?[/QUOTE]
Partly because people exaggerated, partly because other countries followed. Sweden was very progressive in many areas in the first decades after the war. It's not as if Sweden was lightyears 'ahead' but I think there were sections of society in Southern Europe and the Americas that was a little bit more conservative. IMO, that's long gone.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2511301]The question is how did Scandinavian girls (especially Swedish) get the reputation in the 1960's for being easy? I remember as a boy my friends and I used to dream of going to Sweden. All the porn we watched at the time was from Sweden and the older guys we knew at the time who visited Sweden told us how easy it was to get laid in Sweden, much easier than the States even though it was the age of free sex. What happened?[/QUOTE][QUOTE]A large-scale survey in Sweden (Public Health Agency of Sweden 2019) recently showed that at least 38% of young women (16 to 29 year-olds) report having engaged in casual sex during the last 12 months. It is thus a very common practice in this specific cohort, dropping to 15% in the one that follows (30 to 44 year-olds).
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12119-019-09690-8.[/QUOTE]For above 2019 study, almost two-thirds of young Swedish women have not had casual sex in the last twelve months. Nevertheless, the fact that someone has an occasional ONS ("being easy") does not necessarily mean that said person is not living a somewhat or mostly solitary life. ONS is by definition a way to NOT let people get emotionally close you, which aligns with the Scandinavian stereotype. You see them once, and then keep them at a distance. Also having an occasional ONS does not necessarily mean that Scandinavians are comfortable with random strangers breaching their infamous one meter physical distance bubble. Let's say a girl has had four ONS within the last twelve months. That is four strangers that she either found super attractive (or she was inebriated and in the mood). Every other Tinder date, she could have kept at a comfortable one meter distance. Conversely, Spanish and Italian are easier to befriend and they do "la bise" (cheek-to-cheek kiss) with people they barely know, but they are definitely not generally known for as many ONS as the more sexually liberated Scandinavians.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2511315]Partly because people exaggerated, partly because other countries followed. Sweden was very progressive in many areas in the first decades after the war. It's not as if Sweden was lightyears 'ahead' but I think there were sections of society in Southern Europe and the Americas that was a little bit more conservative. IMO, that's long gone.[/QUOTE]America may have closed the gap between sexually liberated countries. From 1950's to 1990's each generation was having more premarital sex than the previous. Figure 2 tracks women only: [URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1802108/[/URL].
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2511301]The question is how did Scandinavian girls (especially Swedish) get the reputation in the 1960's for being easy? I remember as a boy my friends and I used to dream of going to Sweden. All the porn we watched at the time was from Sweden and the older guys we knew at the time who visited Sweden told us how easy it was to get laid in Sweden, much easier than the States even though it was the age of free sex. What happened?[/QUOTE]Because many girls were seen naked, freedom for body, but don't mean more easy to fuck them.
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Germany now under more than 20000 cases per day, closing stores, restaurants, bars. WGs can go on holidays or to family, no brothels business on next weeks. Even small Switzerland, small China in Western Europe, is closing more and more. It should be hard winter.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2511315]Partly because people exaggerated, partly because other countries followed. Sweden was very progressive in many areas in the first decades after the war. It's not as if Sweden was lightyears 'ahead' but I think there were sections of society in Southern Europe and the Americas that was a little bit more conservative. IMO, that's long gone.[/QUOTE]When I first read about German FKKs on this forum, I thought that it's exaggerated, no way this can be real LOL.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2511315]Partly because people exaggerated, partly because other countries followed. Sweden was very progressive in many areas in the first decades after the war. It's not as if Sweden was lightyears 'ahead' but I think there were sections of society in Southern Europe and the Americas that was a little bit more conservative. IMO, that's long gone.[/QUOTE]Do you mean to say that Swedish girls are less sexually open now than before or that Southern Europeans and Americans are more so these days?
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2511238]A Swedish guy makes a response which is informative: "If you meet someone like super drunk and you have hilarious fun for five hours, if you meet them the next day, you won't say Hello".[/QUOTE]Side note, this reminds me of a conversation the other day where someone said that when Japanese coworkers go out and get drinks, while drunk, it is common to bond or even say insulting things to each other like telling off your boss. The next day at work, it's as if nothing happened.
Wonder how much truth there is to this phenomenon.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2511363]For above 2019 study, almost two-thirds of young Swedish women have not had casual sex in the last twelve months. Nevertheless, the fact that someone has an occasional ONS ("being easy") does not necessarily mean that said person is not living a somewhat or mostly solitary life. ONS is by definition a way to NOT let people get emotionally close you, which aligns with the Scandinavian stereotype. You see them once, and then keep them at a distance. Also having an occasional ONS does not necessarily mean that Scandinavians are comfortable with random strangers breaching their infamous one meter physical distance bubble. Let's say a girl has had four ONS within the last twelve months. That is four strangers that she either found super attractive (or she was inebriated and in the mood). Every other Tinder date, she could have kept at a comfortable one meter distance. Conversely, Spanish and Italian are easier to befriend and they do "la bise" (cheek-to-cheek kiss) with people they barely know, but they are definitely not generally known for as many ONS as the more sexually liberated Scandinavians.[/QUOTE]LMFAO, you're most def overthinking it. I wonder what planet, I mean country, you're from.
BTW, Swedes, Danes and Norwegians are not the same. Lumping them together as a homogeneous group is a sign of ignorance. Finland isn't even a part of Scandinavia. Please, address the polar bear problem in Scandinavia! You're our expert, the YouTube professor.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2511311]And you know I am wrong how? I know at least in one case (my friend) hospital didn't disclose that he was heavy user of drugs.[/QUOTE]Do you assume everyone is a drug abuser until proven otherwise? Or just hospitalized patients?
Doesn't matter anyway as if they are drug users, what matters is how damaged their livers are as a result of the drug abuse. And as stated, we know their liver functions after initial labs in the ED. Your scenario is both overly judgmental and irrelevant.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2511305]The Swedish Erotica line of loops probably had a lot to do with it. Although, I don't know that the production of these movies had anything to do with Sweden at all. In fact their hugest star, who went by the stage name of "Seka", was / is an American woman originally from Virginia LOL!
[URL]https://www.hotmovies.com/series/28650/Swedish-Erotica-8mm-/[/URL][/QUOTE]I remember Seka well; she came on the scene when I was just getting seriously into porn in the late 70's. I actually always thought she was American. However, I'm talking about the 60's. The porn I saw back then was genuine Scandinavian porn, especially Swedish. I never saw any US porn until much later sometime in the 70´s. Would love to have gone to Sweden back then. My first trip to Europe was in 1973 with family. We did not go to Scandinavia but had a blast watching lots of porn in Amsterdam's red light district with my brother. We did not have the money to sample hookers.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2511602]I remember Seka well; she came on the scene when I was just getting seriously into porn in the late 70's. I actually always thought she was American. However, I'm talking about the 60's. The porn I saw back then was genuine Scandinavian porn, especially Swedish. I never saw any US porn until much later sometime in the 70s. Would love to have gone to Sweden back then. My first trip to Europe was in 1973 with family. We did not go to Scandinavia but had a blast watching lots of porn in Amsterdam's red light district with my brother. We did not have the money to sample hookers.[/QUOTE]Swedes have the rep (or had it), but I think the Danes may have been even more liberal with respect to sex and porn. I know there was a time when you could buy hardcore porn on the street, like you were buying a newspaper out of a coin machine haha! Don't know if that's still true.
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Palace
I am sad that Palace is still closed. -- its been over 6 months. I'm glad I was able to go last spring before the shutdown due to Covid19. I hope it doesn't shut down completely. That would be a terrible loss!
Any idea if FKK clubs in Hessen will likely reopen by end of Jan 2021?
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2511480]LMFAO, you're most def overthinking it. I wonder what planet, I mean country, you're from. You're our expert, the YouTube professor.[/QUOTE]You fail to address the fundamental questions. Swedish had no rules to limit their social contact. So if Swedish had been crowding each other and breathing on one another sans mask inside enclosed, indoor spaces, shouldn't Sweden have reached natural herd immunity the first few months of pandemic? Sweden's cumulative cases on October 11th was at 100075 and by December 10th it reached 320098. We are over 300 days into the pandemic. Yet more than two-thirds of Sweden's cases came within the last 60 days? Also Sweden hit it's daily death record on December 2nd.
[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2511430]Do you mean to say that Swedish girls are less sexually open now than before or that Southern Europeans and Americans are more so these days?[/QUOTE]Mostly the latter.
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[QUOTE=Wiild;2511707]Prediction right now are rather worthless. When rates have gone down for a couple of weeks in a row, due to vaccinations or other, it can be interesting to start speculating. But sadly everything looks dark at the moment.[/QUOTE]Vaccination like wearing a mask, social distancing is a tool, at the end of the end what matters for the politicians to take decisions is the number of deaths and the how the healthcare are loaded, even the vaccine is very efficient if mid of 2021 the number of deaths is skyrocketing the life will not return to normal, some specialist are saying now that even 2021 Christmas will not be a normal one.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2511665]You fail to address the fundamental questions. Swedish had no rules to limit their social contact. So if Swedish had been crowding each other and breathing on one another sans mask inside enclosed, indoor spaces, shouldn't Sweden have reached natural herd immunity the first few months of pandemic? Sweden's cumulative cases on October 11th was at 100075 and by December 10th it reached 320098. We are over 300 days into the pandemic. Yet more than two-thirds of Sweden's cases came within the last 60 days? Also Sweden hit it's daily death record on December 2nd.
[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden[/URL][/QUOTE]ShoeBree rubbish aside, what's impressive here is the quick rise and fall of their daily deaths. Their death curve showed a steep rising slope but an equally steep downward slope. Every other European nation that's on the decline is experiencing a much more shallow down curve, if there is even a down curve at all.
I wonder if it is more a reflection of culture or government policy response? Or perhaps a testament to Swedish health and healthcare? (Enquiring about the latter two particularly because their case rate has not gone down in the same manner).
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2511670]Mostly the latter.[/QUOTE]I can definitely say that varies between regions and cultural sub groups. White American women from the Deep South and varieties of brown skinned immigrants still often demand a degree of relationship commitment. For promiscuity, I've always had a much easier time with women from the Northeast and even Midwest. My disdain for attitudes of west coast women have prevented me from speaking with much knowledge about their promiscuity in the bedroom.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2511768]I can definitely say that varies between regions and cultural sub groups. White American women from the Deep South and varieties of brown skinned immigrants still often demand a degree of relationship commitment. For promiscuity, I've always had a much easier time with women from the Northeast and even Midwest. My disdain for attitudes of west coast women have prevented me from speaking with much knowledge about their promiscuity in the bedroom.[/QUOTE]One could write books about female sexuality, its ambiguity and complexity. Unless a man is willing to risk his emotional well-being and psychological health, better leave such discussion to professional therapists. Man's sexuality, on the other hand, is defined by one simple question: do I have an erection?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2511766]ShoeBree rubbish aside, what's impressive here is the quick rise and fall of their daily deaths. Their death curve showed a steep rising slope but an equally steep downward slope. Every other European nation that's on the decline is experiencing a much more shallow down curve, if there is even a down curve at all.
I wonder if it is more a reflection of culture or government policy response? Or perhaps a testament to Swedish health and healthcare? (Enquiring about the latter two particularly because their case rate has not gone down in the same manner).[/QUOTE]Sweden reports data differently so final tallies are not in yet according to this:
[QUOTE]In the data that we present on Our World in Data, which comes directly from the European CDC, deaths in Sweden are shown by date of death, while deaths in other countries are shown by date of report.
This matters because it takes a number of days until all deaths for a particular day are reported. In practice this means that Sweden might today only report 10 deaths for yesterday, but once reporting is complete the death count for that day might increase to 40.
[B]The death counts for the last 10 days in Sweden should therefore always be interpreted as an incomplete count of the deaths that occurred in this period.[/B]
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-sweden-death-reporting..[/QUOTE]Clarification for previous post: I pulled daily death data from the graph that appears when you type "Sweden coronavirus deaths", which reports Johns Hopkins University data. On December 2nd Sweden set a daily record with 174 deaths. Previous daily death record occurred on April 7th and April 14th with 115 deaths.
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[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2511786]One could write books about female sexuality, its ambiguity and complexity. Unless a man is willing to risk his emotional well-being and psychological health, better leave such discussion to professional therapists. Man's sexuality, on the other hand, is defined by one simple question: do I have an erection?[/QUOTE]Or we can have casual but fruitful discussions on an public internet forum.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2511665]You fail to address the fundamental questions. Swedish had no rules to limit their social contact. So if Swedish had been crowding each other and breathing on one another sans mask inside enclosed, indoor spaces, shouldn't Sweden have reached natural herd immunity the first few months of pandemic? Sweden's cumulative cases on October 11th was at 100075 and by December 10th it reached 320098. We are over 300 days into the pandemic. Yet more than two-thirds of Sweden's cases came within the last 60 days? Also Sweden hit it's daily death record on December 2nd.
[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden[/URL][/QUOTE]People modify their behavior in a pandemic regardless of the laws and I consider the presented number of new cases to be nothing but the tip of the iceberg. Especially in the beginning of the pandemic when access to testing ranged between non-existing and extremely scarce. That became extremely obvious to me when I compared the death rate between different countries.
That's my view of it anyways.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2511172]Translation: "I'm taking my ball and I'm going home."
You got beat, accept it like a man.[/QUOTE]You're a clueless demagogue. I see no point in having a pseudo-discussion with anyone, especially not with a liar like you.
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[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2511786]One could write books about female sexuality, its ambiguity and complexity. Unless a man is willing to risk his emotional well-being and psychological health, better leave such discussion to professional therapists. Man's sexuality, on the other hand, is defined by one simple question: do I have an erection?[/QUOTE]Women like pleasure, orgasms, then they ask for again with no headache. For me, pleasure in mind is so much more enjoyable than only little death.
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The headline is that it's the deadliest November since the Spanish Flu.
"A total of 8,088 deaths were recorded in Sweden last month, corresponding to an excess mortality of 10 percent compared to the average between 2015 and 2019, according to Statistics Sweden. ".
[URL]https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-12-sweden-deadliest-november-spanish-flu.html[/URL]
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2511609]Swedes have the rep (or had it), but I think the Danes may have been even more liberal with respect to sex and porn. I know there was a time when you could buy hardcore porn on the street, like you were buying a newspaper out of a coin machine haha! Don't know if that's still true.[/QUOTE]You can still buy a hardcore porn magazine from most newsstalls (pre-Covid) or at most gas stations in Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Hungary and many other countries in Europe. Some gas stations in Spain still sells hardcore porn videos, though I never saw anyone buying one LOL. Oh and technically and legally speaking, you can not only walk around naked, but also have full on sex in most public places in Spain as its protected by some weird constitutional rights, except for few regions that recently banned it with some other opposite interpretation of it. That's why tons of nudists and swingers from UK and Europe head to Spanish Gran Canaria all winter.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2511888]The headline is that it's the deadliest November since the Spanish Flu.
"A total of 8,088 deaths were recorded in Sweden last month, corresponding to an excess mortality of 10 percent compared to the average between 2015 and 2019, according to Statistics Sweden. ".
[URL]https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-12-sweden-deadliest-november-spanish-flu.html[/URL][/QUOTE]I do not want to minimize November 2020, but that headline is scarier than the rest of the article. It says that per capita more people died in November 2010 than November 2020. The surge of new cases seemed to started late-October and the current number of new cases now is several times higher than they were in late-October, so the fear is that December 2020 could be much worse than past Decembers for Sweden: [URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102203/cumulative-coronavirus-cases-in-sweden/[/URL].
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2511819]Women like pleasure, orgasms, then they ask for again with no headache. For me, pleasure in mind is so much more enjoyable than only little death.[/QUOTE]Brothels are perfect places for hot romantic dinners, dating, weddings, and honeymoons. No headache! It's by design.
"And only those who have been on this verge know life. Everything else is just a pastime, repeating the same task. Without coming to the edge, without looking into the abyss, a person will grow old and die, never knowing what he was doing in this world. " - Paulo Coelho.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2511809]You're a clueless demagogue. I see no point in having a pseudo-discussion with anyone, especially not with a liar like you.[/QUOTE]Cool story bro.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2511480]LMFAO, you're most def overthinking it. I wonder what planet, I mean country, you're from.
BTW, Swedes, Danes and Norwegians are not the same. Lumping them together as a homogeneous group is a sign of ignorance. Finland isn't even a part of Scandinavia. Please, address the polar bear problem in Scandinavia! You're our expert, the YouTube professor.[/QUOTE]I have to agree here. That analysis by McAdonis is probably the least accurate description I have read by him in any post here on the forum. For one, he claims Scandinavians have more one night stands than Iberians. Heck, every time I am in Spain I hit up random girls for one night stands in normal discos. Not even close to a 100% rate in Scandinavia!
But I believe the main thing here is that when you meet someone you are not scared of meeting again the next day, be it an exchange student or a foreigner, it becomes a lot easier. In Europe, some Asian women are also seen as exotic. In Latin countries, a blonde person is seen as exotic etc etc. In prostitute hotspots like Romania and Thailand, the non-prostitutes tries to make up for the liberal nature of the prostitutes, so they turn even more conservative than the averages in neighbouring non-prostitute hotspots! Mainly due to the influence of local men's protectionism because they have a fear of loosing out.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2511960]I do not want to minimize November 2020, but that headline is scarier than the rest of the article. It says that per capita more people died in November 2010 than November 2020. The surge of new cases seemed to started late-October and the current number of new cases now is several times higher than they were in late-October, so the fear is that December 2020 could be much worse than past Decembers for Sweden: [URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102203/cumulative-coronavirus-cases-in-sweden/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Sure, I added some info from the article because it is true that November, although worse than virtually any year, wasn't some kind of freak show. I just hope December won't be as bad as feared but the reports are that hospitals are full.
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The covid vaccine targets the Syncytin-1 gene of the spike protein on the virus. The same gene is what creates the female uterus.
In other words, the entire vaccination program in relation to covid-19 is one massive depopulation experiment!
Thank me later for the warnings, but I fear for many of the sauna girls who may be forced to take this vaccination in order to work.
And women having sex with a man who has been vaccinated, may also become infertile. So I will not vaccinate myself.
The Pfizer CEO just admitted this. Indirectly of course. And now the internet corps of liars are full out desperate regaring the coverup of this issue!
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First place to re-open for fun?
Anyone want to make a guess as to which countries will be the first to see resumption of international mongering? It will likely be countries that have early access to the vaccines and the organizational skills to implement a country-wide vaccination program (like Germany, Austria, Switzerland) or countries that are so dependent on tourism that they will re-open to vaccinated foreigners before their own population is fully vaccinated (Thailand).
Possible early post vaccine travel:
London, UK.
Berlin, Germany.
Zurich, Switzerland.
Singapore.
Montreal / Quebec, Canada.
Israel.
Bangkok, Thailand.
Your guesses? Should buy plane tickets to London for late summer? Or am I fantasizing?
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2512102]Funny to see how serial posters here have issues with reality:
[/QUOTE]Figured this post also applies to posts here. It seems that Ararat is the only Scandinavian poster who is not living in KooKoo Land.
Let's factcheck the ridiculous vaccine claim:
[URL]https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9856420671[/URL]
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[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2512109]Anyone want to make a guess as to which countries will be the first to see resumption of international mongering? It will likely be countries that have early access to the vaccines and the organizational skills to implement a country-wide vaccination program (like Germany, Austria, Switzerland) or countries that are so dependent on tourism that they will re-open to vaccinated foreigners before their own population is fully vaccinated (Thailand).
Possible early post vaccine travel:
London, UK.
Berlin, Germany.
Zurich, Switzerland.
Singapore.
Montreal / Quebec, Canada.
Israel.
Bangkok, Thailand.
Your guesses? Should buy plane tickets to London for late summer? Or am I fantasizing?[/QUOTE]Do you really believe that the vaccine will be efficient? Even it will work it will not be better than the flue vaccine and we still have a lot of flue cases every year. I will not take any ARN vaccine that is for sure and so many people will do the same. At the end what matters is the number of deaths and as long they are high life will not come back to normal.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2512077]Heck, every time I am in Spain I hit up random girls for one night stands in normal discos.[/QUOTE]Bahahahaha. Almost died laughing.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2512123]Do you really believe that the vaccine will be efficient? Even it will work it will not be better than the flue vaccine and we still have a lot of flue cases every year.[/QUOTE]There is no way you can know this. Even clinically-trained research scientists cannot know for sure; however, every piece of data suggests the opposite of what you predict.
Your scientifically-naive claims and their promotion thereof will be the biggest detriment to how effective the vaccine will be in practice.
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[QUOTE=ShinyCrazy;2512109]Anyone want to make a guess as to which countries will be the first to see resumption of international mongering? It will likely be countries that have early access to the vaccines and the organizational skills to implement a country-wide vaccination program (like Germany, Austria, Switzerland) or countries that are so dependent on tourism that they will re-open to vaccinated foreigners before their own population is fully vaccinated (Thailand).
Possible early post vaccine travel:
London, UK.
Berlin, Germany.
Zurich, Switzerland.
Singapore.
Montreal / Quebec, Canada.[/QUOTE]At the moment, Germany with more than 20.000 cases per day and Switzerland are closing. Despite vaccine, London is also closing. I'm afraid Winter to be a bit complicated. At the moment, ski is closed in France, Italy and Germany and Merkel asked for closing everywhere.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2512157]There is no way you can know this. Even clinically-trained research scientists cannot know for sure; however, every piece of data suggests the opposite of what you predict.
Your scientifically-naive claims and their promotion thereof will be the biggest detriment to how effective the vaccine will be in practice.[/QUOTE]How vaccines could prevent to catch and give, still spreading, if they can be efficient enough to protect from bad disease.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2512192]At the moment, Germany with more than 20.000 cases per day and Switzerland are closing. Despite vaccine, London is also closing. I'm afraid Winter to be a bit complicated. At the moment, ski is closed in France, Italy and Germany and Merkel asked for closing everywhere.[/QUOTE]When Trump and Sweden think they are stronger, Germany is now under covid storm with more than 1000 deaths yesterday. We will have to wait for a while for German brothels.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2512323]How vaccines could prevent to catch and give, still spreading, if they can be efficient enough to protect from bad disease.[/QUOTE]Quick immunology lesson:
Normal events:
*Exposure to virus* / over several days, virus proliferates and multiplies / over a few more days, person shows symptoms / over the next week, patient carries high viral load, spreading to others / over another week to weeks, person remains symptomatic and infectious / Meanwhile, body is slowly making antibodies for the first time to virus, a process that may take several weeks.
(Infectious time: days to weeks).
Vaccinated person:
*Vaccination*/ body sees foreign particle, some immune cells make antibodies, immune system selects for immune cells that recognize virus and other immune cells that make antibodies to virus (memory cells)/ Memory cells lay dormant.
*Exposure to virus*/ over several days, virus begins to proliferate (person may be infectious) / memory immune cells immediately recognize virus and tells antibody producing memory cells to proliferate and make antibodies / virus proliferation is contained within days / patient no longer contagious.
(Infectious time: zero to days).
Summary:
Contagious time is reduced from weeks to only days (if they even become infectious at all).
Thank You for coming to my TedTalk.
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Yup. Let's save the money, renovate our homes, and try to get exercise too.
Its not the time to fuck around nor to make many friends either.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2512373]When Trump and Sweden think they are stronger, Germany is now under covid storm with more than 1000 deaths yesterday. We will have to wait for a while for German brothels.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2512441]Yup. Let's save the money, renovate our homes, and try to get exercise too.
Its not the time to fuck around nor to make many friends either.[/QUOTE]When much too many deaths in my France, I don't say like US or Swedish we are right about virus, and I'm very sorry for what happen now in Germany, because when Trump is just crazy, I know Germany tried their best to control virus and succeeded for first wave, but second is much stronger there. When Germany helped France for first wave, I wish we will help back if needed. And pretty sure, after US thanksgiving killer, we will have after Christmas and Sylvester killer in cold January for third wave, South Korea already have and their worst wave. Vaccines should start on beginning of new year in France and Germany for old, weak and medical people, but won t stop spreading. Even I hate, because can t see women beautiful faces, but mask may be more efficient versus spreading, when we don t even know for how long vaccines will work, when some caught several times virus. When more and more violence at home, more and more suicides, more and more people becoming poor, and no ski for me, so big frustration. What is just funny for me at the moment is just before brexit start, so many UK running staying card to be allowed to stay in France, for a better life as they say. Of course, they are welcome in beautiful with good way of life France. NL now follow Germany to try to fight virus, this is our Europe.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2512438]Quick immunology lesson:
Normal events:
*Exposure to virus* / over several days, virus proliferates and multiplies / over a few more days, person shows symptoms / over the next week, patient carries high viral load, spreading to others / over another week to weeks, person remains symptomatic and infectious / Meanwhile, body is slowly making antibodies for the first time to virus, a process that may take several weeks..[/QUOTE]US are starting vaccine, UK already started, Germany will start before end of December and Western Europe will follow them, when vaccines will be only for old, weak, medical and rich people, then we will see for real about spreading, when young will think again: now with vaccine for at risk people, no more risk, and spreading again, when I don't think old and weak are those who are spreading the most. Should need to vaccine most of population to slow spreading, if vaccine really efficient lasting in time. Should take a while for this.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2512571]US are starting vaccine, UK already started, Germany will start before end of December and Western Europe will follow them, when vaccines will be only for old, weak, medical and rich people, then we will see for real about spreading, when young will think again: now with vaccine for at risk people, no more risk, and spreading again, when I don't think old and weak are those who are spreading the most. Should need to vaccine most of population to slow spreading, if vaccine really efficient lasting in time. Should take a while for this.[/QUOTE]Yes, we are likely going to have a long winter with late March / April looking to show the first signs of normalcy. I wouldn't make any international travel plans before May, June to be safe.
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Yes, I believe vaccines will be efficient. After lets say 4 weeks of successful vaccination of medical personnel and older / risk groups then we will se large drop in number of deaths and therefor the pressure on hospitals will drop, which is so important. Then when vaccination of age groups 60, 50, 40 begin we will see gradual decrease in spreading.
To the comparison vs flu you should add that better hygienic practices (washing hands) and social distancing has led to flu almost being at zero levels this season. Most of these practices will continue. In total I think we have reasons to be optimistic about everything looking rather positive in February or March 2021.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2512123]Do you really believe that the vaccine will be efficient? Even it will work it will not be better than the flue vaccine and we still have a lot of flue cases every year.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2512503]When much too many deaths in my France, I don't say like US or Swedish we are right about virus, and I'm very sorry for what happen now in Germany, because when Trump is just crazy, I know Germany tried their best to control virus and succeeded for first wave, but second is much stronger there. When Germany helped France for first wave, I wish we will help back if needed. And pretty sure, after US thanksgiving killer, we will have after Christmas and Sylvester killer in cold January for third wave, South Korea already have and their worst wave. Vaccines should start on beginning of new year in France and Germany for old, weak and medical people, but won t stop spreading. Even I hate, because can t see women beautiful faces, but mask may be more efficient versus spreading, when we don t even know for how long vaccines will work, when some caught several times virus. When more and more violence at home, more and more suicides, more and more people becoming poor, and no ski for me, so big frustration. What is just funny for me at the moment is just before brexit start, so many UK running staying card to be allowed to stay in France, for a better life as they say. Of course, they are welcome in beautiful with good way of life France. NL now follow Germany to try to fight virus, this is our Europe.[/QUOTE]Beautiful France, are you joking? Why you never speak about the 200+ areas where the police and you can t enter and those are less than 7 kilometres from the Champ Elysee, are you taking the RER be to airport CGD after 10 PM. Sorry France is not what you describe, it is becoming a terrible place with a lot of migrants involved in criminal activities and on top of that a completely split society. Let us speak about covid, Germany 90 Millions people and 25000 deaths, France 65 Millions and 60000 deaths, is Germany doing so bad?
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2512695]Beautiful France, are you joking? Why you never speak about the 200+ areas where the police and you can t enter and those are less than 7 kilometres from the Champ Elysee, are you taking the RER be to airport CGD after 10 PM. Sorry France is not what you describe, it is becoming a terrible place with a lot of migrants involved in criminal activities and on top of that a completely split society. Let us speak about covid, Germany 90 Millions people and 25000 deaths, France 65 Millions and 60000 deaths, is Germany doing so bad?[/QUOTE]Facts are many British don't want to return to live in UK after brexit, also many Germans or Belgium or NL choose to live or spend holidays in France, not so bad. More cases and deaths in Germany than in France at the moment and I m sorry for them, when they close stores, schools.
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[QUOTE=Wiild;2512656]Yes, I believe vaccines will be efficient. After lets say 4 weeks of successful vaccination of medical personnel and older / risk groups then we will se large drop in number of deaths and therefor the pressure on hospitals will drop, which is so important. Then when vaccination of age groups 60, 50, 40 begin we will see gradual decrease in spreading.
To the comparison vs flu you should add that better hygienic practices (washing hands) and social distancing has led to flu almost being at zero levels this season. Most of these practices will continue. In total I think we have reasons to be optimistic about everything looking rather positive in February or March 2021.[/QUOTE]Maybe less deaths which are mostly old and at risk health, but what about cases number exploding at the moment and still spreading? If many cases, not only old and weak finish in hospitals but also some between 20 and 50. Old and weak are not those who spread the most.
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[QUOTE=Wiild;2512656]Yes, I believe vaccines will be efficient. After lets say 4 weeks of successful vaccination of medical personnel and older / risk groups then we will se large drop in number of deaths and therefor the pressure on hospitals will drop, which is so important. Then when vaccination of age groups 60, 50, 40 begin we will see gradual decrease in spreading.[/QUOTE]Even if the vaccine studies were rushed, by the time I will have the option to get one of the vaccines, tens of millions of people would have been vaccinated, so short term side effects will be known. Longer term studies is another topic. At this point it looks like for population not at high risk or in contact with high risk people vaccinations won't be available before April or May.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2512757]Facts are many British don't want to return to live in UK after brexit, also many Germans or Belgium or NL choose to live or spend holidays in France, not so bad. More cases and deaths in Germany than in France at the moment and I m sorry for them, when they close stores, schools.[/QUOTE]I cannot predict what will. Happen after Brexit, but more French live in the UK than the opposite: 191000 French living in UK and 145090 British living in France. British people prefer living in Spain much more than France.
[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1061625/french-population-in-united-kingdom[/URL]
[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1059795/uk-expats-in-europe/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2512441]Yup. Let's save the money, renovate our homes.........[/QUOTE]That's exactly what I'm doing. Taking a break now for the season. Will continue next month.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2512922]That's exactly what I'm doing. Taking a break now for the season. Will continue next month.[/QUOTE]You are right, it is also what I am doing even before the pandemic, my finances are so much better and my overall life have improved a lot, met great people, new real-estate project, new classic car I will never spend again so much money with prostitutes as before.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2512902]I cannot predict what will. Happen after Brexit, but more French live in the UK than the opposite: 191000 French living in UK and 145090 British living in France. British people prefer living in Spain much more than France.
[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1061625/french-population-in-united-kingdom[/URL]
[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1059795/uk-expats-in-europe/[/URL][/QUOTE]In deep Dordogne, French administration created a service dedicated to British, this service would not get me service even paid with my tax, to give British allowances to stay living in France as they wish, after brexit. Of course UK, Germans, NL and Belgium also love Costa Brava, Catalunya and Baleares, for quality of life compare to their home country, same like in France and Italy. Arithmetic's just talk: small France and Paris are number 1 for tourism, huge US, NYC, LA, China, India can t compete. Spain and my beloved Italy are also in top 4 for tourism, with magic Roma, Venezia, Firenza, Barcelona, Cadix. Great foods and high quality of life in these 3 countries and high medical healthcare in France as say British, compare to UK and when around French population don t have insurance in country number 1 in the world, US, even for some people who have several jobs, but no healthcare insurance, third world for social. A bit shame in front of the world, not a good example for American dream.
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My life learned me unfortunately, can change very fast: I can be killed by terrorism, crash with car, detected with cancer and die in less than 3 months, so then, I won't need money I sleep on, and as far I know, I would not have anymore pleasure when dead. Money is just to live in good way for me, I don't need anymore more, when I could make much more working more, but I just want my pleasures: skiing my spots, climbing my beloved mountains, dedicating my life to beauty, what is my pleasure with adrenaline. I let being or becoming rich to others, I don't need 3 houses, I need only 1 bed and I usually sleep better in my car, when we will all be equal under ground, when we are different for life.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2512902]I cannot predict what will. Happen after Brexit, but more French live in the UK than the opposite: 191000 French living in UK and 145090 British living in France. British people prefer living in Spain much more than France.
[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1061625/french-population-in-united-kingdom[/URL]
[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1059795/uk-expats-in-europe/[/URL][/QUOTE]Yes, but the British migrants there will have to move back to Blighty unless they've managed to claim permanent residency by now. Unlike migrants in other countries those are older and won't get work visas. Their problem is also that if they're older then health care won't be available like before due to reciprocal agreement no longer valid. As with most groups down there they're not particularly integrated into Spanish society. That doesn't help them either.
We'll see about the overall effects but the migrants in Spain are most likely in for a rollercoaster ride.
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Sweden has failed!
So says the King: [URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-55347021[/URL].
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2513058]My life learned me unfortunately, can change very fast: I can be killed by terrorism, crash with car, detected with cancer and die in less than 3 months, so then, I won't need money I sleep on, and as far I know, I would not have anymore pleasure when dead. Money is just to live in good way for me, I don't need anymore more, when I could make much more working more, but I just want my pleasures: skiing my spots, climbing my beloved mountains, dedicating my life to beauty, what is my pleasure with adrenaline. I let being or becoming rich to others, I don't need 3 houses, I need only 1 bed and I usually sleep better in my car, when we will all be equal under ground, when we are differen,t for life.[/QUOTE]You have fully right and are living a healthy life, I also used to do a lot of sport but by getting older I have to reduce my activity some knee problems, some shoulder. And with the pandemic am it is not the good time to get any unnecessary surgery. Being also a bit hyperactive I need always to have new projects in my life.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2513019]In deep Dordogne, French administration created a service dedicated to British, this service would not get me service even paid with my tax, to give British allowances to stay living in France as they wish, after brexit. Of course UK, Germans, NL and Belgium also love Costa Brava, Catalunya and Baleares, for quality of life compare to their home country, same like in France and Italy. [/QUOTE]EU citizens like retiring in Spain because it is cheaper, and has good weather, but still only a one to two hour flight home to visit family.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2513019]Arithmetic's just talk: small France and Paris are number 1 for tourism, huge US, NYC, LA, China, India can t compete. Spain and my beloved Italy are also in top 4 for tourism, with magic Roma, Venezia, Firenza, Barcelona, Cadix.[/QUOTE]France is number one for tourism, but it is worthwhile to also look deeper into the numbers. Travelling between Schengen countries is cheap, easy, and requires little time because countries are smaller and closer together, which makes it easier to generate higher tourist figures. Many Europeans travel back and forth between the same 3-4 EU countries. Someone living Frankfurt can be in Paris in about 3 hours by train. Families from Belgium and NL can get in a car and be in Disneyland Paris on the weekend. Chinese tourists who arrive in EU usually go on a group tour bus and visit ten different countries. Young backpackers from USA and Australia will also do a multi-country itinerary when they visit EU.
[QUOTE]Travellers from another of France's neighbours, Germany, made up 13 million visitors to France last year, more than any other country. However, not all these visitors are coming to see France itself.
“Because of France's position many tourists are forced to pass through the country on their way to other destinations,” explains Didier Arino, president of tourism industry specialists Protourisme. [b]“Between 15 and 20 million of the visitors who come to France are just passing through on their way to Italy or Spain.”[/b]
https://www.thelocal.fr/20190410/france-retains-crown-as-most-visited-country-on-earth.[/QUOTE]
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Don't say that and don't talk about the mask who is now mandatory in public transports and don't say anything about the Lask dude who has been speaking about local lockdowns, you're going to make shooTroll very angry. And not a single word about the new limitations in restaurant (that's 4 no?), it's just a very slight adjustment of their guidelines.
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Oops sorry I did it again.
[URL]https://time.com/5901352/sweden-local-lockdowns/[/URL]
I feel really bad but the guy is named Nojd and not Lask.
And as soon as he said the evil word that cannot be said, some official jumped in front of the stage to say that it was only new guidelines. Naughty Johan what did you say?
It reminds me of Evil dead when they find the Necronomicon.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2513147]You have fully right and are living a healthy life, I also used to do a lot of sport but by getting older I have to reduce my activity some knee problems, some shoulder. And with the pandemic am it is not the good time to get any unnecessary surgery. Being also a bit hyperactive I need always to have new projects in my life.[/QUOTE]My parents made me start ski when I was not 3 yet, I started real off slopes at 14 , when I see when I go now to ride and really wish they will open lifts to let me live my freedom and pleasure, feeling to fly. I bought a VTT bicycle in 2003 to climb like in tour de France, when I discovered Dolomiti I improved bicycle with 34/36 for more than 20% climbing, getting older but I improved so much my records, I climb only for this, I gave up 6 times in la Bonette 2802 meters high on this Summer, for bad weather on top or because I couldn't break my record, so no interest to reach the top if not for record. Of course I wish to return to break record on next Summer. Was closed with snow when I finished on October, climbing Agnel 2744 meters high topless with snow on road on last kilometer to top and 5 degrees on top when 20 at the bottom, just exceptional experience. Despite pains, sometimes hardly able to walk with blocked back or knees from shocks when skiing, when I destroyed one shoulder being ejected by skis reaction to pressure, but I need so much, my drug. Even can t ski in France, but I will put skis and shoes in car, meaning I m ready, for a better mood, when I know it won t open soon with our too many cases increasing again, but happy to see them everyday, my best friends with bicycle, I give them my life when I m among rocks or crevaces, to press and cut the ice, when I m really not interested to make friends in brothels. My passions which feed my life now.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2513175]EU citizens like retiring in Spain because it is cheaper, and has good weather, but still only a one to two hour flight home to visit family.
France is number one for tourism, but it is worthwhile to also look deeper into the numbers. Travelling between Schengen countries is cheap, easy, and requires little time because countries are smaller and closer together, which makes it easier to generate higher tourist figures. Many Europeans travel back and forth between the same 3-4 EU countries. Someone living Frankfurt can be in Paris in about 3 hours by train. Families from Belgium and NL can get in a car and be in Disneyland Paris on the weekend. Chinese tourists who arrive in EU usually go on a group tour bus and visit ten different countries. Young backpackers from USA and Australia will also do a multi-country itinerary when they visit EU.[/QUOTE]Fortunately for our economy, many foreigners coming to visit and spending holidays. Not on 2020, but many US, Asians and Arabians coming to spend money in France. Also many coming to live or retire, not for cheap like in Spain, but for our quality of life, good foods and wines and healthcare. Just figures for being number 1 for tourism and Paris for the most visited, city of love as say girls, when Spain and Italy also in top 4, when Germany and UK are behind.
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Yes, mask now in Sweden, when Germany, NL, Italy on 21, Austria on 26, Switzerland are closing. Not anymore in France since 15 December, but big risk on January. Will be complicated Winter. In France, only +65 and at risk and medical people are planned for vaccine and I think it will take almost 2021, so spreading is not finished.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2512955]You are right, it is also what I am doing even before the pandemic, my finances are so much better and my overall life have improved a lot, met great people, new real-estate project, new classic car I will never spend again so much money with prostitutes as before.[/QUOTE]Unless the most unlikely situation of me meeting a compatible babe who sweeps me off my feet and gets me to settle down happens I will continue to pursue this bobby. I will travel again when I can visit a country where I can sit in the park and look at beautiful girls pass by with no masks on.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2513280]Unless the most unlikely situation of me meeting a compatible babe who sweeps me off my feet and gets me to settle down happens I will continue to pursue this bobby. I will travel again when I can visit a country where I can sit in the park and look at beautiful girls pass by with no masks on.[/QUOTE]Of course I am also doing it but all the girls are not prostitutes, probably in a park there is 0 prostitutes.
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Rushing for vaccine but new kind of covid found in UK. Will vaccine work versus this new? London under confine for Christmas. EU think to close from UK, when NL and Belgium already did.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2513527]Rushing for vaccine but new kind of covid found in UK. Will vaccine work versus this new? London under confine for Christmas. EU think to close from UK, when NL and Belgium already did.[/QUOTE]Last week I wrote about this, first I will not take a RNA vaccine and second like the flue vaccine it efficiency is far less for old people or people with comorbidity and those are the first to be vaccinate. Nothing proves that the vaccine will work with the new mutant.
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Now information are arriving about Chinese government lies about virus, when their doctor Li warned on last December, but politics threatened him if not stopping to tell and he died very fast, also about not reliable tests. Real danger for the world.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2513256]Fortunately for our economy, many foreigners coming to visit and spending holidays. Not on 2020, but many US, Asians and Arabians coming to spend money in France. Also many coming to live or retire, not for cheap like in Spain, but for our quality of life, good foods and wines and healthcare. Just figures for being number 1 for tourism and Paris for the most visited, city of love as say girls, when Spain and Italy also in top 4, when Germany and UK are behind.[/QUOTE]USA made $217 billion from tourists in 2018, France made only $67 billion, and Thailand made $63 billion. Each arrival to USA spends an average of $2694, in Thailand $1644, and in France only $753. Probably a third of France's tourist arrivals stay for only 1-2 days. Why? Because you have so many countries within driving distance and open borders. In one weekend, how many times do you cross a border? In most other places in the world the type of country hopping you do every weekend is not so easy and not so cheap. People who go to Australia spend the most money, $4891 per arrival. Why? Because Australia is far and if you fly that far, you will probably stay longer. And the only other country you can really hop to from Australia is New Zealand. So yes France is number 1 in tourist arrivals, Spain is number 2. But the full story, if you choose to look deeper, is USA makes three times more money from tourism than France: [URL]https://www.visualcapitalist.com/map-countries-by-tourist-spending/[/URL].
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2513695]USA made $217 billion from tourists in 2018, France made only $67 billion, and Thailand made $63 billion. Each arrival to USA spends an average of $2694, in Thailand $1644, and in France only $753. Probably a third of France's tourist arrivals stay for only 1-2 days. Why? Because you have so many countries within driving distance and open borders. In one weekend, how many times do you cross a border? In most other places in the world the type of country hopping you do every[/QUOTE]LOL, you're asking certain people to look deeper against their cemented beliefs. Has 2020 taught us nothing? Haha.
Every time I arrive in Charles De Galle Airport, I spend my 3 euro for a coffee and croissant and try to get the fuck out of France as quickly as possible. The feelings of snobbery when anywhere near Paris is just, well, icky.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2513576]Last week I wrote about this, first I will not take a RNA vaccine and second like the flue vaccine it efficiency is far less for old people or people with comorbidity and those are the first to be vaccinate. Nothing proves that the vaccine will work with the new mutant.[/QUOTE]Last week, people more clinically educated than you wrote about it too.
"Prof Tom Solomon, the Director of the NIHR Health Protection Research Unit in Emerging and Zoonotic Infections, at the University of Liverpool, said:
"SARS-CoV-2, the virus which cause Covid-19 is evolving and mutating all the time, as do all similar viruses. Such changes are completely to be expected.
"In the UK we are doing very detailed genetic assessment of many of the virus strains detected. From what Matt Hancock has announced it sounds as though a particular variant is being detected especially across the South of England. Just because there has been a small change in the virus' genetic make-up this does not mean it is any more virulent, nor that vaccines won't be effective. Our experience from previous similar viruses suggests that the vaccines will be effective despite small genetic changes."
[URL]https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-the-new-variant-of-sars-cov-2/[/URL]
Just doing my part to prevent misinformation.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2513576]Last week I wrote about this, first I will not take a RNA vaccine and second like the flue vaccine it efficiency is far less for old people or people with comorbidity and those are the first to be vaccinate. Nothing proves that the vaccine will work with the new mutant.[/QUOTE]I don't know how will stop spreading when our doctors think we may have third wave in France on mid January after Christmas and Sylvester, when Germany, Switzerland, Italy and South UK are under now, but I wish vaccine won't kill too many and will protect old people, at health risk and medical people, for less deaths, when too many deaths, much more than 1 million. In France, should vaccine in 2021, +65 yo ones.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2513256]Fortunately for our economy, many foreigners coming to visit and spending holidays. Not on 2020, but many US, Asians and Arabians coming to spend money in France. Also many coming to live or retire, not for cheap like in Spain, but for our quality of life, good foods and wines and healthcare. Just figures for being number 1 for tourism and Paris for the most visited, city of love as say girls, when Spain and Italy also in top 4, when Germany and UK are behind.[/QUOTE]You love France I don't. Except some British several years ago (mostly in Creuse, Limousin.) very few wealthy European citizen are choosing France as their principal living place for retire. On the opposite, 400000 migrants (mostly Muslim, uneducated, and poor) come to France every year. 200000 French citizen (mostly educated, middle and upper classes) are expatriating (like me). French economy is in a terrible situation near to bankruptcy without the support of the BCE and low interest rate. On the opposite mostly French people are not welcome as tourist just because of their behaviour and attitude, without speaking about their poor foreign languages capabilities.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2513695]USA made $217 billion from tourists in 2018, France made only $67 billion, and Thailand made $63 billion. Each arrival to USA spends an average of $2694, in Thailand $1644, and in France only $753. Probably a third of France's tourist arrivals stay for only 1-2 days. Why? Because you have so many countries within driving distance and open borders. In one weekend, how many times do you cross a border? In most other places in the world the type of country hopping you do every weekend is not so easy and not so cheap. People who go to Australia spend the most money, $4891 per arrival. Why? Because Australia is far and if you fly that far, you will probably stay longer. And the only other country you can really hop to from Australia is New Zealand. So yes France is number 1 in tourist arrivals, Spain is number 2. But the full story, if you choose to look deeper, is USA makes three times more money from tourism than France: [URL]https://www.visualcapitalist.com/map-countries-by-tourist-spending/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Number 1 for tourism visits and same for Paris, for my small country with best foods and wines, champagne, best healthcare when a covid test cost more than 100 in UK, when more than France population don t have insurance in US, even when working, when unemployed and foreigners get in France, paid with my tax, for one of the highest quality of life with many foreigners choosing to come to live in this small beautiful country, when I think American dream is falling a bit and Chinese are scared about their government. At least in France, we may disagree with Macron, but we are not afraid of him. Under lockdown at the moment, Germans come to buy for Christmas in France, they know they will find same quality, better foods and good point for our economy which need under this crisis and when EU close now borders with UK to protect about virus.
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Wow McA you're so boring with your real facts. Please let everybody enjoy their own fantasy world.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2513695]So yes France is number 1 in tourist arrivals, Spain is number 2. But the full story, if you choose to look deeper, is USA makes three times more money from tourism than France: [URL]https://www.visualcapitalist.com/map-countries-by-tourist-spending/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Fair points, but according to your link Spain, France, Switzerland and especially Austria earn far more per capita from tourism than the USA.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2513194][URL]https://time.com/5901352/sweden-local-lockdowns/[/URL]
I feel really bad but the guy is named Nojd and not Lask.
And as soon as he said the evil word that cannot be said, some official jumped in front of the stage to say that it was only new guidelines. Naughty Johan what did you say?
It reminds me of Evil dead when they find the Necronomicon.[/QUOTE]That's just laughable, especially considering when the article was written. Talk about being desperate to push their false narrative.
Oh well, the gullible sheep's without any knowledge of Sweden are swallowing the fake news.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2513189]Don't say that and don't talk about the mask who is now mandatory in public transports and don't say anything about the Lask dude who has been speaking about local lockdowns, you're going to make shooTroll very angry. And not a single word about the new limitations in restaurant (that's 4 no?), it's just a very slight adjustment of their guidelines.[/QUOTE]Oh dear bigtroll, why do you use so many words when you could just as well have written that the restaurants are still open.
Get back when you understand the difference between restrictions and a lockdown. It was hilarious when you claimed that it's a lockdown when they close the museums. Thank you for the laughs.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2513796]Number 1 for tourism visits and same for Paris, for my small country with best foods and wines, champagne, best healthcare when a covid test cost more than 100 in UK, when more than France population don t have insurance in US, even when working, when unemployed and foreigners get in France, paid with my tax, for one of the highest quality of life with many foreigners choosing to come to live in this small beautiful country, when I think American dream is falling a bit and Chinese are scared about their government. At least in France, we may disagree with Macron, but we are not afraid of him. Under lockdown at the moment, Germans come to buy for Christmas in France, they know they will find same quality, better foods and good point for our economy which need under this crisis and when EU close now borders with UK to protect about virus.[/QUOTE]Lets say mongering is totally out of the picture which country would I choose? The number 1 answer is good old United States. I have everything else I need here, good food, great shopping, museums, the best entertainment in the world, etc. Outside of the USA I would choose the UK, I can get good food here, great shopping, theater, concerts, good socializing, great pubs, the best museums in the world, etc. Elsewhere I would choose the Caribbean for turquoise beaches, relaxation and revitalization.
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[QUOTE=Samplerr;2513849]Fair points, but according to your link Spain, France, Switzerland and especially Austria earn far more per capita from tourism than the USA.[/QUOTE]OP seems to emphasize how desirable his country is for tourists. If so, is it relevant to know how much each citizen of a country earns from tourism dollars? Does the amount each French, Spaniard, or Austrian make from tourism, make it more of a "destination" in the minds of international tourists?
My point for emphasizing how much each country earns is strictly to emphasize that tourists that fly into USA, Thailand, or Australia are making a commitment to stay there for more than 1-2 nights. It's a commitment in terms of cost, travel time, and in some cases tourist visa paperwork, so the tourists that go to these countries are jumping through extra hoops. And in that sense, these non-EU countries can be thought of as more desirable destinations to visit. Here is a population density map that shows us clusters of large populations that border France. These are places that are a 100 EUR one hour flight away. And as quoted from an earlier article, 15-20 percent of France's tourists are people that stay in France en-route to Spain or Italy, so think a German family packed into a car on their way to Spain. [URL]https://luminocity3d.org/WorldPopDen/[/URL]#6/48.807/2. 703.
OP also emphasizes the number of expats who love living in France. Well there appears to be many French leaving France if we look at net migration rate. While not bad, the English-friendly and high-income countries seem to do much better: Singapore, Switzerland, Macau, Qatar, UAE, Luxembourg, Nordic countries, Canada, UK, Australia, USA, etc. [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate[/URL].
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2513695]USA made $217 billion from tourists in 2018, France made only $67 billion, and Thailand made $63 billion. Each arrival to USA spends an average of $2694, in Thailand $1644, and in France only $753. Probably a third of France's tourist arrivals stay for only 1-2 days. Why? Because you have so many countries within driving distance and open borders. In one weekend, how many times do you cross a border? In most other places in the world the type of country hopping you do every weekend is not so easy and not so cheap. People who go to Australia spend the most money, $4891 per arrival. Why? Because Australia is far and if you fly that far, you will probably stay longer. And the only other country you can really hop to from Australia is New Zealand. So yes France is number 1 in tourist arrivals, Spain is number 2. But the full story, if you choose to look deeper, is USA makes three times more money from tourism than France: [URL]https://www.visualcapitalist.com/map-countries-by-tourist-spending/[/URL].[/QUOTE]As written by another one, when US are 14 times larger than small France and 5 times for population, but with French population with no health insurance in a modern country, then arithmetic's like at school talk for your figures, in percent, US are far behind. I think US are ranked third for tourism, but not in percent. But I agree New York, Boston, New Orleans and San Francisco are interesting.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2513878]Lets say mongering is totally out of the picture which country would I choose? The number 1 answer is good old United States. I have everything else I need here, good food, great shopping, museums, the best entertainment in the world, etc. Outside of the USA I would choose the UK, I can get good food here, great shopping, theater, concerts, good socializing, great pubs, the best museums in the world, etc. Elsewhere I would choose the Caribbean for turquoise beaches, relaxation and revitalization.[/QUOTE]Are you joking for good foods in US or UK compare to France, Italy or Spain or Argentinian meat, even I love UK breakfast and cranberries in US. For us, Europeans, US are new, when killed their past history, compare to our history and culture. Also, worrying weapons allowance when so many crazy there, but no more Indians to kill. I remember on my first visit, in a Miami market, a guy opened his car back and there were weapons and some military for a army. I entered rent car and left fast.
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Thoughts?
Health "experts" say flu cases have significantly DECLINED globally because people ARE wearing masks and practicing social distancing.
However, Covid-19 infection rates are UP because people are NOT wearing masks and social-distancing.
Don't question the narrative. It's Science.
If you question as a good Doctor should, you might lose your job.
[URL]https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/contra-costa-co-doctor-says-he-was-reassigned-after-questioning-covid-19-restrictions/2427600/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2514046]Health "experts" say flu cases have significantly DECLINED globally because people ARE wearing masks and practicing social distancing.
However, Covid-19 infection rates are UP because people are NOT wearing masks and social-distancing.
Don't question the narrative. It's Science.
If you question as a good Doctor should, you might lose your job.
[URL]https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/contra-costa-co-doctor-says-he-was-reassigned-after-questioning-covid-19-restrictions/2427600/[/URL][/QUOTE]Is this where you are from?
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2514046]Health "experts" say flu cases have significantly DECLINED globally because people ARE wearing masks and practicing social distancing.
However, Covid-19 infection rates are UP because people are NOT wearing masks and social-distancing.
Don't question the narrative. It's Science.
If you question as a good Doctor should, you might lose your job.
[URL]https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/contra-costa-co-doctor-says-he-was-reassigned-after-questioning-covid-19-restrictions/2427600/[/URL][/QUOTE]This post demonstrates how a 13 year old reasons.
Any other year, there were zero PPE usage and distancing. Some use this year leads to flu decline.
However, not enough people are using PPE and distancing so COVID remains uncontrolled.
Duh. Idiocy.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2514002]As written by another one, when US are 14 times larger than small France and 5 times for population, but with French population with no health insurance in a modern country, then arithmetic's like at school talk for your figures, in percent, US are far behind. I think US are ranked third for tourism, but not in percent. But I agree New York, Boston, New Orleans and San Francisco are interesting.[/QUOTE]LOL, now he wants to talk arithmetic and percentages. Not so much when he talked about covid numbers. The bias is glaring.
Paris is gross. So are the people in it.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2513769]You love France I don't. Except some British several years ago (mostly in Creuse, Limousin.) very few wealthy European citizen are choosing France as their principal living place for retire. On the opposite, 400000 migrants (mostly Muslim, uneducated, and poor) come to France every year. 200000 French citizen (mostly educated, middle and upper classes) are expatriating (like me). French economy is in a terrible situation near to bankruptcy without the support of the BCE and low interest rate. On the opposite mostly French people are not welcome as tourist just because of their behaviour and attitude, without speaking about their poor foreign languages capabilities.[/QUOTE]Ask British about Dordogne and around, or Bretagne. A good example is famous Nice with so famous English promenade on more than 6 kilometers, when angels bay is only second name. When wall fell, when they could choose Genova, not Geneva. Ch, or San Remo, or Monaco but maybe more difficult, but Nice became nearly Russian. I remember in restaurants, written in French, English and Russian. Not anymore now because needed to clean the place from East mafia. I don't feel not welcome when I go abroad, even only few German words or in Italian or Spanish and even in Russia where they are not really welcoming, but when You speak a bit of Russian to them, then they smile to you. You just get from what you are and how you are able to adapt, not only from where you come, even many WGs are running Asian business.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2514008]Are you joking for good foods in US or UK compare to France, Italy or Spain or Argentinian meat, even I love UK breakfast and cranberries in US. For us, Europeans, US are new, when killed their past history, compare to our history and culture. Also, worrying weapons allowance when so many crazy there, but no more Indians to kill. I remember on my first visit, in a Miami market, a guy opened his car back and there were weapons and some military for a army. I entered rent car and left fast.[/QUOTE]I am very serious. There are very good restaurants in NYC that serve excellent food for my taste. Better than what I would get in Europe. For me though the best food in the world can be found in Mexico and Peru.
Regarding safety, in every part of the world there are areas you ought to avoid and those you can traverse safely. I am certain there are neighborhoods in Paris that you would not dare enter. I am more fearful of terrorist attacks in Europe than in the US.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2514244]I am very serious. There are very good restaurants in NYC that serve excellent food for my taste. Better than what I would get in Europe. For me though the best food in the world can be found in Mexico and Peru.
Regarding safety, in every part of the world there are areas you ought to avoid and those you can traverse safely. I am certain there are neighborhoods in Paris that you would not dare enter. I am more fearful of terrorist attacks in Europe than in the US.[/QUOTE]Sorry but you have countries were you can go everywhere, Switzerland, Austria, Luxembourg, Poland, Slovenia, Korea, China, Japan, Hungary. There the police and the justice are doing their job. Every one has is own taste, I am half French and really I don't know what is French cuisine, the habits are so different from north to south but they are common points, very expensive and bad service. That is why I like Italian cuisine or Chinese or Japanese before you enter you know which kind of food you will get.
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70 percent of France's tourists are residents of Western Europe
France has a geographic advantage to pad its tourism arrivals: "Location, Location, Location". In 2017, there were 87 million tourists, but over 61 million of the tourists came from UK, Germany, Belgium, Luxembourg, NL, Switzerland, Spain, Italy. All are less than a two hour flight to CDG. And if Ryanair, probably less than a 50 EUR ticket. Switzerland is not EU, but one can drive across border and rarely will border control ever stop them. UK citizens have to pass through passport control so 30 minutes max. USA only has two bordering countries, but Mexican citizens are not allowed easy and cheap access. They need to go to the embassy in Mexico City and pay $131 for a visa in addition to their airfare. But I am willing to acknowledge, that USA being a larger landmass means it has more unique terrains and geographies (Hawaii, Alaska, Rocky Mountains, Grand Canyon, two oceans etc) which might make it appealing.
[QUOTE]In 2017, 37 million international tourists came to France for stays of one, two or three nights. Short stays thus accounted for 43% of the total. France’s accessibility and central position in Europe makes it an attractive destination both for short stays, especially for bordering countries, and as a stage on journeys to other destinations.
https://www.entreprises.gouv.fr/files/files/directions_services/etudes-et-statistiques/4p-DGE/2018-07-4p-N84-EVE-version-anglaise.pdf[/QUOTE]I took the train from Germany to Paris a few years ago, then straight to airport hotel at CDG, and next morning international flight. When I checked into hotel, they probably counted me as a tourist arrival. I spent 14 hours in France. The five largest populations in Western Europe in order are Germany, France, UK, Italy, and Spain. And what country is the geographic center? France. This means UK, Dutch, German family who want to drive to Spain, will probably book an overnight hotel in France. Family from Zurich or Rome driving to Malaga would probably also spend a night in France. More accurately, one night on the drive to Spain, and another night on the drive back home.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2514252]That is why I like Italian cuisine or Chinese or Japanese before you enter you know which kind of food you will get.[/QUOTE]Those are the top three cuisines in the exact order that you specified, according to a survey of 25000 people from 24 countries: [URL]https://yougov.co.uk/topics/food/articles-reports/2019/03/12/italian-cuisine-worlds-most-popular[/URL].
I believe you said you lived in China before. Was Chinese food one of your favorite cuisines BEFORE living in China? Because I have been to a Chinese buffet in France. There were a few hundred people eating there, and I do not think there was a single Chinese. But this is most people's only exposure to Chinese food. They had an entire section dedicated to charcuterie and cheeses, so their menu was definitely designed to cater to local tastes, and not at all authentic. I was surprised I did not see Coq au Vin and Bouef Bourguignon being served there.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2514244]For me though the best food in the world can be found in Mexico and Peru.[/QUOTE]Food is highly subjective. If you look at the survey I linked, most people's favorite cuisine is the cuisine from their own country. If not, then it is usually a cuisine that they were exposed to early in life. For Americans, most lists have the top three as Mexican, Chinese, and Italian. The order would be interchangeable based on the state or perhaps the age of people surveyed. But if you trace the history of those three cuisines in America, all three were initially thought of as "disgusting" cuisines. And up until recently, all three were bastardized versions of the originals. They were altered to cater to Anglo-American tastes and the dishes were adapted to use local ingredients that were more readily available in America. BTW, this bastardization also occurred in Peru: Lomo Soltado, was invented by Chinese who immigrated to Peru.
But the food scene seems to be changing. I believe Instagram and the Internet is driving millennials, well the ones that can afford it, to seek out more regional and authentic cuisines. So now it is Oaxacan instead of just generic "Mexican". Or Sichuan or Shandong instead of just generic "Chinese". Personally, instead of Tex-Mex that is drenched with an excess of cheese and refried beans, I prefer lamb birria or mole. And I do not shy away from cilantro.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2514326]France has a geographic advantage to pad its tourism arrivals: "Location, Location, Location". In 2017, there were 87 million tourists, but over 61 million of the tourists came from UK, Germany, Belgium, Luxembourg, NL, Switzerland, Spain, Italy. All are less than a two hour flight to CDG. And if Ryanair, probably less than a 50 EUR ticket. Switzerland is not EU, but one can drive across border and rarely will border control ever stop them. UK citizens have to pass through passport control so 30 minutes max. USA only has two bordering countries, but Mexican citizens are not allowed easy and cheap access. They need to go to the embassy in Mexico City and pay $131 for a visa in addition to their airfare. But I am willing to acknowledge, that USA being a larger landmass means it has more unique terrains and geographies (Hawaii, Alaska, Rocky Mountains, Grand Canyon, two oceans etc) which might make it appealing.
I took the train from Germany to Paris a few years ago, then straight to airport hotel at CDG, and next morning international flight. When I checked into hotel, they probably counted me as a tourist arrival. I spent 14 hours in France. The five largest populations in Western Europe in order are Germany, France, UK, Italy, and Spain. And what country is the geographic center? France. This means UK, Dutch, German family who want to drive to Spain, will probably book an overnight hotel in France. Family from Zurich or Rome driving to Malaga would probably also spend a night in France. More accurately, one night on the drive to Spain, and another night on the drive back home.[/QUOTE]Yes, most men agree with you, France sucks. Croissants are cool. But the French even stole that from the middle east. So basically, France all around just sucks.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2514077]LOL, now he wants to talk arithmetic and percentages. Not so much when he talked about covid numbers. The bias is glaring.
Paris is gross. So are the people in it.[/QUOTE]Paris is a very dirty town and only the snobby Parisians or the retired Chinese people believe it's the most beautiful city in the world (and the Chinese realize it's not true as soon as they land in Roissy or Orly) . Among big French towns, Lyon and Strasbourg are obviously more beautiful but the average Parisian guy thinks that's there is nothing outside the périphérique.
And if you talk about big cities in Europe, Kraków, Vienna, Budapest, maybe even Berlin are miles ahead of Paris. The most beautiful things in France are in the countryside. Go in Ardèche, Drôme, Gard, Hérault, Alpes de Haute Provence, you'll see wonderful landscapes.
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Vienna
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2514366]Paris is a very dirty town and only the snobby Parisians or the retired Chinese people believe it's the most beautiful city in the world (and the Chinese realize it's not true as soon as they land in Roissy or Orly) . Among big French towns, Lyon and Strasbourg are obviously more beautiful but the average Parisian guy thinks that's there is nothing outside the priphrique.
And if you talk about big cities in Europe, Krakw, Vienna, Budapest, maybe even Berlin are miles ahead of Paris. The most beautiful things in France are in the countryside. Go in Ardche, Drme, Gard, Hrault, Alpes de Haute Provence, you'll see wonderful landscapes.[/QUOTE]Vienna is the nicest city I have been to in continental Europe. Doesn't have the best mongering, but as a city it was "par excellence". Isn't that French? LOLOLOL!
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2514326]France has a geographic advantage to pad its tourism arrivals: "Location, Location, Location". In 2017, there were 87 million tourists, but over 61 million of the tourists came from UK, Germany, Belgium, Luxembourg, NL, Switzerland, Spain, Italy. All are less than a two hour flight to CDG. And if Ryanair, probably less than a 50 EUR ticket. Switzerland is not EU, but one can drive across border and rarely will border control ever stop them. UK citizens have to pass through passport control so 30 minutes max. USA only has two bordering countries, but Mexican citizens are not allowed easy and cheap access. They need to go to the embassy in Mexico City and pay $131 for a visa in addition to their airfare. But I am willing to acknowledge, that USA being a larger landmass means it has more unique terrains and geographies (Hawaii, Alaska, Rocky Mountains, Grand Canyon, two oceans etc) which might make it appealing.
I took the train from Germany to Paris a few years ago, then straight to airport hotel at CDG, and next morning international flight. When I checked into hotel, they probably counted me as a tourist arrival. I spent 14 hours in France. The five largest populations in Western Europe in order are Germany, France, UK, Italy, and Spain. And what country is the geographic center? France. This means UK, Dutch, German family who want to drive to Spain, will probably book an overnight hotel in France. Family from Zurich or Rome driving to Malaga would probably also spend a night in France. More accurately, one night on the drive to Spain, and another night on the drive back home.[/QUOTE]Not on this year, but many US, Asians and Arabians usually visiting France and making shopping and Paris hotels business. Of course, many UK, Germans, NL and Belgium coming to spend their holidays rather than in their own country and even on this Summer. For some here who don't like me, most being jealous, I m not France which is much more famous all over the world than me, but I m happy I made my life in Paris, even I plan to retire in my beloved mountains. When girls know I m from Paris, almost all saying: city of love, still the image of Paris. Do they say the same for NY or Tokyo or Pekin?
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2514326]France has a geographic advantage to pad its tourism arrivals: "Location, Location, Location". In 2017, there were 87 million tourists, but over 61 million of the tourists came from UK, Germany, Belgium, Luxembourg, NL, Switzerland, Spain, Italy. All are less than a two hour flight to CDG. And if Ryanair, probably less than a 50 EUR ticket. Switzerland is not EU, but one can drive across border and rarely will border control ever stop them. UK citizens have to pass through passport control so 30 minutes max. USA only has two bordering countries, but Mexican citizens are not allowed easy and cheap access. They need to go to the embassy in Mexico City and pay $131 for a visa in addition to their airfare. But I am willing to acknowledge, that USA being a larger landmass means it has more unique terrains and geographies (Hawaii, Alaska, Rocky Mountains, Grand Canyon, two oceans etc) which might make it appealing.
I took the train from Germany to Paris a few years ago, then straight to airport hotel at CDG, and next morning international flight. When I checked into hotel, they probably counted me as a tourist arrival. I spent 14 hours in France. The five largest populations in Western Europe in order are Germany, France, UK, Italy, and Spain. And what country is the geographic center? France. This means UK, Dutch, German family who want to drive to Spain, will probably book an overnight hotel in France. Family from Zurich or Rome driving to Malaga would probably also spend a night in France. More accurately, one night on the drive to Spain, and another night on the drive back home.[/QUOTE]5 seas around small France, 4/5 different mountains, famous for foods, wines and champagne, for fashion, best healthcare for everybody, what I call a modern social country, even unfortunately, we have poor and unemployment.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2514353]Those are the top three cuisines in the exact order that you specified, according to a survey of 25000 people from 24 countries: [URL]https://yougov.co.uk/topics/food/articles-reports/2019/03/12/italian-cuisine-worlds-most-popular[/URL].
I believe you said you lived in China before. Was Chinese food one of your favorite cuisines BEFORE living in China? Because I have been to a Chinese buffet in France. There were a few hundred people eating there, and I do not think there was a single Chinese. But this is most people's only exposure to Chinese food. They had an entire section dedicated to charcuterie and cheeses, so their menu was definitely designed to cater to local tastes, and not at all authentic. I was surprised I did not see Coq au Vin and Bouef Bourguignon being served there.
Food is highly subjective. If you look at the survey I linked, most people's favorite cuisine is the cuisine from their own country. If not, then it is usually a cuisine that they were exposed to early in life. For Americans, most lists have the top three as Mexican, Chinese, and Italian. The order would be interchangeable based on the state or perhaps the age of people surveyed. But if you trace the history of those three cuisines in America, all three were initially thought of as "disgusting" cuisines. And up until recently, all three were bastardized versions of the originals. They were altered to cater to Anglo-American tastes and the dishes were adapted to use local ingredients that were more readily available in America. BTW, this bastardization also occurred in Peru: Lomo Soltado, was invented by Chinese who immigrated to Peru.
But the food scene seems to be changing. I believe Instagram and the Internet is driving millennials, well the ones that can afford it, to seek out more regional and authentic cuisines. So now it is Oaxacan instead of just generic "Mexican". Or Sichuan or Shandong instead of just generic "Chinese". Personally, instead of Tex-Mex that is drenched with an excess of cheese and refried beans, I prefer lamb birria or mole. And I do not shy away from cilantro.[/QUOTE]Chinese buffet in Europe have nothing to do with Chinese cuisine, usually in the different China towns you get real Chinese food, like in NY or Budapest, but it is not true for Chinatown in Paris where mostly Vietnamese and Cambodia people live. Easy for me to test I just need to speak mandarin usually they don t understand. Chines cuisine has a big diversity from the North in Harbin to the South in Guangdong or in the West with Sichuan.
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This is becoming funnier by the day. Of course it is too little too late. The whole world should have banned the Asians, particularly the Chinese travelers, back in January 2020 or before, even before I suggested that on this board. But hey, the smart people said that would have been Xenophobic, some of you in USA even voted for a guy just last month who was saying that. Enjoy your isolated life forever, while I try to salvage my normal life with FKK girls from the mess of lockdowns that many of you still support. Wake up if you want to lead a normal life before you die in your basement.
NYT: Can Travel Bans Really Stop the Spread of Coronavirus Variants? Experts Are Skeptical ([URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/22/world/europe/travel-bans-coronavirus-variants.html[/URL]).
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We don't really say 'par excellence' in French, maybe you could say 'la creme de la creme'. I forgot Amsterdam in the list of the most beautiful cities in Europe but I think that right now my favourite one would be Krakow. I have to see Prague this year. Dubrovnik is beautiful too but technically it's a small city.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2514405]Vienna is the nicest city I have been to in continental Europe. Doesn't have the best mongering, but as a city it was "par excellence". Isn't that French? LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]Yes Vienna is beautiful and with brothels, when maisons closes were closed in Paris and escorts level fell, but Saint Petersburg is just wow, museum town and not only Ermitage, Peterhof is just wow, falling in Baltic, and what a models contest in streets, just wow for eyes, but better to speak a bit of Russian. Born, living and working daily in Paris for more than half century, even working at risk outside under covid since mid March, I don t stay in my bed close to heater, waiting to be paid by french government because I would lose too much money and my clients would not like delay, so I check and test risks for my teams before them, and still healthy and powerful according to my sporty climbing's Summer and what girls say: You fuck more than in 20's guys, when they feel something inside them, when having to be careful not to hurt them with most, so, beautiful cultural Paris is not so bad for my health, even too much traffic jam which daily stress me. And from France medical strategy, I won t get vaccine, so I will have to resist more than 10 years more, working in so risky Paris, being daily at risk, but when rider in mountains, happy to keep on being a warrior in Paris, Les Mureaux 78 , Sarcelles / Garges les Gonesses 95 , Saint Denis / Pierrefitte 93 , for good interesting experiences in my life, with no fear, but meeting one of the 2 women of my life, for six years together, first met in Sarcelles where she lived and worked, and anywhere we went together, all guys were looking at her, with her so beautiful face and little girl smile, even in famous restaurants on famous most beautiful avenue in the world Champs Elysées as called all over the world.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2514252]Sorry but you have countries were you can go everywhere, Switzerland, Austria, Luxembourg, Poland, Slovenia, Korea, China, Japan, Hungary. There the police and the justice are doing their job. Every one has is own taste, I am half French and really I don't know what is French cuisine, the habits are so different from north to south but they are common points, very expensive and bad service. That is why I like Italian cuisine or Chinese or Japanese before you enter you know which kind of food you will get.[/QUOTE]I probably ought to stand corrected regarding safety issues in countries. Of the countries you listed I have been to Switzerland, Austria and China. I walked everywhere at night in these three countries and had no problems except that I almost got into a fight with some drunk blokes in Vienna way back in 1973.
My father's mother was from France so I guess that makes me quarter French but I never really liked so called French cuisine. I absolutely do not like Eastern cuisine. I suffer for food in China, Thailand, Indonesia, the Philippines, Thailand, India, Malaysia, etc. In most of those countries especially India and Thailand you are consuming spices with food intermingled. I don't like the taste. I like good old American food, steak, baked potatoes, corn on the cob, mushrooms and veggies, pot roast, NYC pizza, Jambalaya, ham, wild salmon, baked beans, meatloaf, apple pie, barbecue ribs, lobster thermidor, etc. I also like Caribbean and Latin American cuisine.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2514472]This is becoming funnier by the day. Of course it is too little too late. The whole world should have banned the Asians, particularly the Chinese travelers, back in January 2020 or before, even before I suggested that on this board. But hey, the smart people said that would have been Xenophobic, some of you in USA even voted for a guy just last month who was saying that. Enjoy your isolated life forever, while I try to salvage my normal life with FKK girls from the mess of lockdowns that many of you still support. Wake up if you want to lead a normal life before you die in your basement.
NYT: Can Travel Bans Really Stop the Spread of Coronavirus Variants? Experts Are Skeptical ([URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/22/world/europe/travel-bans-coronavirus-variants.html[/URL]).[/QUOTE]Nice bro. Oddly enough, the most cogent of your thoughts. Hyperbolic and chronologically flawed, but oddly the most cogent nonetheless.
Hope everyone realizes that racism will get worse before it gets better. Buckle up Buckeroos.
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Krakow?
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2514507]We don't really say 'par excellence' in French, maybe you could say 'la creme de la creme'. I forgot Amsterdam in the list of the most beautiful cities in Europe but I think that right now my favourite one would be Krakow. I have to see Prague this year. Dubrovnik is beautiful too but technically it's a small city.[/QUOTE]And you don't consider Krakow to be small? Because I do. It's a lovely place, but really not in the same league as some of the other cities you have mentioned in terms of size. It's overall weak for mongering too, but I did get me some hehehe!
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The guy is half French, half Chinese, half German, a former pro athlete. He's been a lot of things, he fucks so many women for free, yet he finds the time to come and write ad nauseam 'over fucked prostitutes blablabla'.
I wonder what's happening.
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The historic center of Krakow is rather small but I don't think that the whole city is so small compared to the other ones. And the history of Krakow is fascinating.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2514472]This is becoming funnier by the day. Of course it is too little too late. The whole world should have banned the Asians, particularly the Chinese travelers, back in January 2020 or before, even before I suggested that on this board. But hey, the smart people said that would have been Xenophobic, some of you in USA even voted for a guy just last month who was saying that. Enjoy your isolated life forever, while I try to salvage my normal life with FKK girls from the mess of lockdowns that many of you still support. Wake up if you want to lead a normal life before you die in your basement.
NYT: Can Travel Bans Really Stop the Spread of Coronavirus Variants? Experts Are Skeptical ([URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/22/world/europe/travel-bans-coronavirus-variants.html[/URL]).[/QUOTE]Quit crying day after day in a monger forum and go live your "normal life. " If you are in an area with "restrictions" then come here to Florida. In my city all the strip clubs are cranking better than ever by all reports (I don't go in them), the booze is flowing, no masks inside, lap dances are full contact and plenty of strippers are selling sex on the side. Or, fly down to Colombia. No Covid tests or insurance are required for entry. It's essentially business as usual, Facebook girls are working, brothels are all open, as are the strip clubs which have rooms on site. There are plenty of people like you who aren't concerned about catching Covid and likewise aren't concerned about spreading it to others. Quit crying all over your keyboard and go join them!
We have a worldwide pandemic going on. These happen periodically, and have since the beginning of recorded history. They often last a couple of years or so. When considering a lifetime, that's a short period of time. And one can follow some reasonable guidelines, mask and social distance while having some quality of life, and all without living as a shut in. It all requires some patience though and concern for the well being of others. But you have options.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2514425]Chinese buffet in Europe have nothing to do with Chinese cuisine, usually in the different China towns you get real Chinese food, like in NY or Budapest, but it is not true for Chinatown in Paris where mostly Vietnamese and Cambodia people live. Easy for me to test I just need to speak mandarin usually they don t understand. Chines cuisine has a big diversity from the North in Harbin to the South in Guangdong or in the West with Sichuan.[/QUOTE]Okay, I will phrase the question more clearly. On a scale of 1-10, what was your impression of Chinese food when you lived in France? And what was your rating for Chinese food after living there for 5 years?
I have spoken with a lot of White-American and White-Europeans who have worked or studied in China. As far as food goes, it was culture shock for them. Some of these expats never liked Chinese food at all before living in China. Or some were initially terrified to find out that their favourite Westernized versions of Chinese food back home do not exist at all in China. No "Orange Chicken" and no "Arroz Chaufa". But most just eventually adapted to and started to really appreciate authentic Chinese food. For students, it was an economic necessity because Western food is considerably more expensive than local Chinese street food. In general, millennials are more adventurous with foods because (1) they want to get an Instagram shot, and (2) there is social pressure especially amongst educated, "liberal snowflake" millennials to be more "worldly". So they try the food and slowly over time begin to like it.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2514604]I absolutely do not like Eastern cuisine. I suffer for food in China, Thailand, Indonesia, the Philippines, Thailand, India, Malaysia, etc. In most of those countries especially India and Thailand you are consuming spices with food intermingled. I don't like the taste. I like good old American food, steak, baked potatoes, corn on the cob, mushrooms and veggies, pot roast, NYC pizza, Jambalaya, ham, wild salmon, baked beans, meatloaf, apple pie, barbecue ribs, lobster thermidor, etc. I also like Caribbean and Latin American cuisine.[/QUOTE]Most people give up on a cuisine after only sampling a subset of that cuisine's dishes. As an American, it is normal for you to like your own cuisine. But I am guessing you don't like 100 percent of your country's cuisine. For instance, somebody from Iowa might not necessarily appreciate a Maine lobster roll. Even when you start to sample a fuller range of dishes from a particular cuisine, sometimes you still have to try a dish at multiple restaurants before you start to appreciate it. I could go to twenty different burger places, or I can try NYC slices from twenty different pizza shops. They are not all created equal. Chances are, I will like 2-3 spot significantly more than the rest. And the best one, may not necessarily be the one with the most reviews on TripAdvisor. Or the place that a famous celebrity chef visited.
Certain foods just take longer to get used to. You have a distaste for Eastern cuisine. Well for 3 billion of the world's population that is their favourite cuisine. On the opposite end of the world, most Chinese have a distaste for cheese. It is completely foreign to them. And many Chinese who try cheese for the first time will literally spit it out, which is illogical because most of the rest of the world has a love affair with cheese. In fact, Chinese tourists are notorious for travelling everywhere as a group by bus. So on a trip to USA, they might try one burger place and one BBQ place, and then eat nothing but Chinese food the for rest of their meals. And then they would dismiss American food as disgusting after only trying two dishes from two different restaurants. That said, millennial Chinese are starting to warm up to the taste of cheese but 50-year old Chinese who grew up before globalisation and Instagram not so much.
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Even Chinese government lie and many Chinese are scared about their own government, but just a shame to say they should be forbidden to travel, even I think their production is low level for cheap rate.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2514252]Sorry but you have countries were you can go everywhere, Switzerland, Austria, Luxembourg, Poland, Slovenia, Korea, China, Japan, Hungary. There the police and the justice are doing their job. Every one has is own taste, I am half French and really I don't know what is French cuisine, the habits are so different from north to south but they are common points, very expensive and bad service. That is why I like Italian cuisine or Chinese or Japanese before you enter you know which kind of food you will get.[/QUOTE]Part French? Really? As 100 % French, I feel safe in my country, much more safe than in Switzerland where they don't respect your rights, where polizei and administration steal you. Did you walk at night around Mainhattan Frankfurt?
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2514706]Even Chinese government lie and many Chinese are scared about their own government, but just a shame to say they should be forbidden to travel, even I think their production is low level for cheap rate.[/QUOTE]May be like me you should live several decades in China, having a Chinese driving license, speaking some Chinese to have a better understanding. You like cars, the biggest Bosch factory is in China Wuxi. Mostly all the Apple products are manufactured in China, mostly all the batteries, wind mills. Because you think the French government is not lying when just today ago they try to pass a new law just before Christmas to oblige people to be vaccine about covid.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2514663]Most people give up on a cuisine after only sampling a subset of that cuisine's dishes. As an American, it is normal for you to like your own cuisine. But I am guessing you don't like 100 percent of your country's cuisine. For instance, somebody from Iowa might not necessarily appreciate a Maine lobster roll. Even when you start to sample a fuller range of dishes from a particular cuisine, sometimes you still have to try a dish at multiple restaurants before you start to appreciate it. I could go to twenty different burger places, or I can try NYC slices from twenty different pizza shops. They are not all created equal. Chances are, I will like 2-3 spot significantly more than the rest. And the best one, may not necessarily be the one with the most reviews on TripAdvisor. Or the place that a famous celebrity chef visited.
Certain foods just take longer to get used to. You have a distaste for Eastern cuisine. Well for 3 billion of the world's population that is their favourite cuisine. On the opposite end of the world, most Chinese have a distaste for cheese. It is completely foreign to them. And many Chinese who try cheese for the first time will literally spit it out, which is illogical because most of the rest of the world has a love affair with cheese. In fact, Chinese tourists are notorious for travelling everywhere as a group by bus. So on a trip to USA, they might try one burger place and one BBQ place, and then eat nothing but Chinese food the for rest of their meals. And then they would dismiss American food as disgusting after only trying two dishes from two different restaurants. That said, millennial Chinese are starting to warm up to the taste of cheese but 50-year old Chinese who grew up before globalisation and Instagram not so much.[/QUOTE]Good advice maybe for a 16 year old or maybe even a 26 year old but not for a 66 year old who has travelled the length and breadth of the US for many decades and all over Europe, from Canada to Argentina, throughout the Caribbean and all over Asia while sampling cuisines from all over the world for over fifty years.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2514472]...The whole world should have banned the Asians, particularly the Chinese travelers, back in January 2020 or before, even before I suggested that on this board.....[/QUOTE]It is said that hindsight is 20 20, for good reason. Back in January, 2020 news came out of a new coronavirus from which one man in China died. At the time did you think that all Asians should be banned from travelling? The news was so innocuous that I booked my trip to Germany for 3 months. I travelled in the middle of January but had to beat a hasty retreat in the middle of March. In any event it is said that covid 19 was already in Europe way back in October, 2019.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2514784]May be like me you should live several decades in China, having a Chinese driving license, speaking some Chinese to have a better understanding. You like cars, the biggest Bosch factory is in China Wuxi. Mostly all the Apple products are manufactured in China, mostly all the batteries, wind mills. Because you think the French government is not lying when just today ago they try to pass a new law just before Christmas to oblige people to be vaccine about covid.[/QUOTE]Real French like me would only be scared about LE Pen or other extremes or integrists, but thinking is one thing, when making is different, and no compulsory vaccine in France, even many old don t want to play cobaye. I m sure China is a interesting country for past culture, but now, production is just made there because cheap, not for quality, with US culture to change very often. Yes I love cars, I bought for first car a H3 E21 for my 21 and improved it with some Alpina pieces when I was still studying, not working yet, but working more than 16 hours per day on most of my Summer holidays to spend on her. I got a legendary RS500 Cosworth for nearly 25 years. I met a guy few months ago for job, after 15 years, and he asked me: You still have? He didn't forget the waste gate 1,8 bars noise and fire behind the car. For both, my girlfriends were jealous about my love for my creations. So, with such culture and still, fighting with Audi, can t drive Chinese, not my quality. Cars batteries are built in China with big pollution when China don't care and also about their citizens, electric cars are just big hypocrisy, just moving pollution in China, but on our earth.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2514881]Good advice maybe for a 16 year old or maybe even a 26 year old but not for a 66 year old who has travelled the length and breadth of the US for many decades and all over Europe, from Canada to Argentina, throughout the Caribbean and all over Asia while sampling cuisines from all over the world for over fifty years.[/QUOTE]Number of years lived does not equate to quality of years lived.
Merry Christmas to everyone.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2514945]Number of years lived does not equate to quality of years lived.
Merry Christmas to everyone.[/QUOTE]You apparently have some regrets seeing that the only person you know on ISG is yourself. Merry Christmas to one and all.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2515147]You apparently have some regrets seeing that the only person you know on ISG is yourself. Merry Christmas to one and all.[/QUOTE]Not even sure what that's supposed to mean. But okay.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2514887]It is said that hindsight is 20 20, for good reason. Back in January, 2020 news came out of a new coronavirus from which one man in China died. At the time did you think that all Asians should be banned from travelling? The news was so innocuous that I booked my trip to Germany for 3 months. I travelled in the middle of January but had to beat a hasty retreat in the middle of March. In any event it is said that covid 19 was already in Europe way back in October, 2019.[/QUOTE]Well, more reasons they should have been banned even earlier, going forward maybe forever because those countries keep producing new deadly virus every decade! Go one decade without producing another deadly pathogen, then the ban would be relaxed. I know it's a draconian drastic stance, but that's exactly what now we are doing to ourselves for their repeat offences / mistakes anyway!
We must be smart and forward looking, not chasing our tails after the shit happens.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2515172]Well, more reasons they should have been banned even earlier, going forward maybe forever because those countries keep producing new deadly virus every decade! Go one decade without producing another deadly pathogen, then the ban would be relaxed. I know it's a draconian drastic stance, but that's exactly what now we are doing to ourselves for their repeat offences / mistakes anyway!
We must be smart and forward looking, not chasing our tails after the shit happens.[/QUOTE]Next thing you know, we'll be throwing babies off of cliffs.
"This is Sparrta!
That's inner voice that tells you to do evil things, you should address that problem.
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Thoughts? Does this guy have a point?
[URL]https://indica.medium.com/its-been-a-year-white-people-can-t-blame-china-anymore-878d9f2b4a34[/URL]
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Tamil Supremacist
[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2515385][URL]https://indica.medium.com/its-been-a-year-white-people-can-t-blame-china-anymore-878d9f2b4a34[/URL][/QUOTE]The guy is an obvious nutter with his talk of white nations. India, just to his north, has the world's third highest number of Covid fatalities (Brazil is in second place).
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2514881]Good advice maybe for a 16 year old or maybe even a 26 year old but not for a 66 year old who has travelled the length and breadth of the US for many decades and all over Europe, from Canada to Argentina, throughout the Caribbean and all over Asia while sampling cuisines from all over the world for over fifty years.[/QUOTE]Just making generalized observations, not all were directed towards you. I commend you for at least trying local cuisine. Almost 60 percent of American tourists avoid locals cuisines when travelling abroad: [URL]https://www.travelpulse.com/news/features/majority-of-americans-dont-try-local-cuisine-on-vacation.html[/URL].
Prior to the 1920's, most Anglo-Americans limited or avoided their exposure to Italian food due to bias. Anglo-Americans of the time considered Italian food too "garlicky and spicy". As a result, the mainstream acceptance of what is arguably America's favourite ethnic (albeit Americanized) cuisine was delayed by decades, and a generation of Americans missed out. In 1945, "pizza" was not widely known in the USA outside of the cities with large Italian enclaves: [URL]https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/food/the-plate/2016/05/04/how-italian-cuisine-became-as-american-as-apple-pie/[/URL].
In an earlier post, I stated that baby-boomer Chinese tourists were biased toward Western food. I would say the opposite is true as well: there are a fair amount of Westerners born prior to the 1980's who have a distaste or bias against non-Western cuisine. At the same time, some of the most celebrated chefs from white Western countries list Asian food and restaurants among their favourites. Are these chefs just ahead of their time? [URL]https://www.vogue.com/article/worlds-best-chefs-share-their-favorite-food-cities[/URL].
I would argue that "sampling" the full spectrum of a nation's cuisine would require hundreds of sit-down meals. If sampling Thai cuisine means trying 10 dishes at 5-6 restaurants on your first trip to Bangkok in 1975 and then refusing to eat Thai food on all subsequent trips since, I would say that is not sufficient. Now if one gets a Thai GF or over time has many meals with Thai colleagues and friends, then real culinary sampling happens. These social situations force you to not only try a larger variety of dishes, but also to try the same dish multiple times by multiple chefs. At the very least a foreigner can find one or two "safe" dishes from that cuisine that they consistently order. I used 1975 as a hypothetical year here, but my guess is the 1975 Bangkok food scene is different from that of 1995 or 2020.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2515172]Well, more reasons they should have been banned even earlier, going forward maybe forever because those countries keep producing new deadly virus every decade! Go one decade without producing another deadly pathogen, then the ban would be relaxed.[/QUOTE]The strain of CV19 that entered the USA did not come directly from China but via Western Europe. To implement the travel ban you are speaking of, a hundred plus countries would need to collectively sign off and ban East Asians from entering. This would effectively establish two travel corridors. Every country in the world would be forced to pick a side or decide which travel corridor they want to belong to. If India chooses to allow Chinese to enter India (or Indians to travel to China), then no Indians would be allowed to enter USA or Western Europe. And nobody from USA or Western Europe would be allowed to enter India.
The problem is there are millions of non-Asians living, studying, and working in East Asia. And there are millions of East-Asians living, studying, and working in Europe. Would these people be banned from visiting family in their home countries? Or would they be forced to enter a 30-day quarantine at both ends of travel?
I could imagine Westerners, even the ones with no social, business, or romantic connections to East Asia protesting about the loss of their individual rights and freedom of movement. "If I want to travel to China and risk being infected by some yet to be discovered pathogen, I should be allowed to do so!" And the sexpats in the Thai forums would definitely align with that cause.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2515152]Not even sure what that's supposed to mean. But okay.[/QUOTE]You obviously have cognitive problems in addition to the others. Know what that means?
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2515415]You obviously have cognitive problems in addition to the others. Know what that means?[/QUOTE]Well that seems unnecessary. Alzheimer's setting in already?
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[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2515385][URL]https://indica.medium.com/its-been-a-year-white-people-can-t-blame-china-anymore-878d9f2b4a34[/URL][/QUOTE]He manifest everything what's wrong with the world and in particularly the internet and social media.
The dude is completely clueless, unintelligent, uneducated, irrelevant and best left to rot away writing BS for obscure sites that simply cannot get enough of race baiting. Or maybe he's just getting paid by the CCP.
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[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2515385][URL]https://indica.medium.com/its-been-a-year-white-people-can-t-blame-china-anymore-878d9f2b4a34[/URL][/QUOTE]He could have made all of those points without being so polarizing. Regardless of the valid facts he pointed out, the blog only enflames the venomous thoughts of people who think like Gino and Shoo.
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[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2515388]The guy is an obvious nutter with his talk of white nations. India, just to his north, has the world's third highest number of Covid fatalities (Brazil is in second place).[/QUOTE]Per capita cases versus raw case numbers. Duh.
Half the (documented) cases in India with 4 times the population of USA.
Only four times the (documented) cases in India with 20 times the population of France.
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I remember on September 2018 at LR when I needed 11 months to find a new interesting beauty for me, but when she threw me her towel in face, when I went and asked to sit with her, when I took only her hand and look at her feet nails, when she was a bit crazy around the bar and lounge, but what a changing behavior after 2 minutes sitting with her, and what a good surprise after. After 4 times really enjoying her becoming woman behavior, I told her I couldn't come on next Thursday evening, when we finished enjoyable weekly room after pizzas and she prepared me a sandwich when no more pizzas. One here told me he would prefer my sandwich than pizzas, when I would have preferred pizzas even she was really lovely, but I preferred to enjoy this natural beauty rather than pizzas. I sent her I could come after Zoncolan. She asked me where was Zocolan? I told her nearly on Slovenian border, in Frioul, nearly 1000 kms away from LR, but I could drive after Zoncolan through mountains, Austria, Bavaria, to her. If he doesn't know what is Zoncolan, but when Italians see you arriving on top from Ovaro, the most difficult side, then you are a heroe for Italians, when I climbed more than 5 times since I discovered driving a BMW Xdrive and thought more than 200 CV could not climb, but after Federico Bahamontes. SP picture, when body and head full burning, then you don't feel anymore pain, and as long I will be able to climb, or Mortirolo, then I know I don't need vaccine nor viagra to fuck more than in 20's guys as say girls, but this one here knew very well how to show my writings here to good surprise. Very different behavior as say girls.
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[QUOTE=Chongmal;2515086]If one contributor has 4 k posts in 2 years is it a blog or forum. I personally miss the clubs as well as posts that provide information about women in a specific club. I remember one time reading a post about an amazing sounding woman at a club just to later find out it was a report on a different lady at a different club in a different country. I asked a girl about Climbing Zoncolan one time. She talked to me about Champaign and Caviar but said she couldn't offer Zoncolan. A colan massage was also an option. All these code words are such a puzzle to me. BTW, that massage was curious of the end of her tongue which really surprised me.[/QUOTE]Was this the same woman who was with a client in a room, stepped out to get pizza, then proceeded to French kiss another client in the hallway before she returned to the chump waiting in the room for her?
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2515410]The strain of CV19 that entered the USA did not come directly from China but via Western Europe. To implement the travel ban you are speaking of, a hundred plus countries would need to collectively sign off and ban East Asians from entering. This would effectively establish two travel corridors. Every country in the world would be forced to pick a side or decide which travel corridor they want to belong to. If India chooses to allow Chinese to enter India (or Indians to travel to China), then no Indians would be allowed to enter USA or Western Europe. And nobody from USA or Western Europe would be allowed to enter India.
The problem is there are millions of non-Asians living, studying, and working in East Asia. And there are millions of East-Asians living, studying, and working in Europe. Would these people be banned from visiting family in their home countries? Or would they be forced to enter a 30-day quarantine at both ends of travel?
I could imagine Westerners, even the ones with no social, business, or romantic connections to East Asia protesting about the loss of their individual rights and freedom of movement. "If I want to travel to China and risk being infected by some yet to be discovered pathogen, I should be allowed to do so!" And the sexpats in the Thai forums would definitely align with that cause.[/QUOTE]Your thoughts aren't too far fetched, we are already seeing so many countries doing selective travel bans (eg British people banned in EU countries now). Who would have imagined that there will be so many travel bans for almost a year now, and most people seems to be okay with it. If this is ok by people, I wouldn't be surprised this one year becomes one decade. And if it's OK to ban British people, what's wrong with banning Asian people?
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2514646]Quit crying day after day in a monger forum and go live your "normal life. " If you are in an area with "restrictions" then come here to Florida. In my city all the strip clubs are cranking better than ever by all reports (I don't go in them), the booze is flowing, no masks inside, lap dances are full contact and plenty of strippers are selling sex on the side. Or, fly down to Colombia. No Covid tests or insurance are required for entry. It's essentially business as usual, Facebook girls are working, brothels are all open, as are the strip clubs which have rooms on site. There are plenty of people like you who aren't concerned about catching Covid and likewise aren't concerned about spreading it to others. Quit crying all over your keyboard and go join them!
We have a worldwide pandemic going on. These happen periodically, and have since the beginning of recorded history. They often last a couple of years or so. When considering a lifetime, that's a short period of time. And one can follow some reasonable guidelines, mask and social distance while having some quality of life, and all without living as a shut in. It all requires some patience though and concern for the well being of others. But you have options.[/QUOTE]How are the Covid-19 cases, hospitalizations and deaths situations in Florida and Columbia compared to New York and Germany now in your opinion?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2515445]He could have made all of those points without being so polarizing. Regardless of the valid facts he pointed out, the blog only enflames the venomous thoughts of people who think like Gino and Shoo.[/QUOTE]Yikes, you should get a life (or a friend) instead of obsessing over me. Maybe you should see a professional, and I'm not talking about a prostitute. LMFAO!
You should take a look in the mirror, or just read and absorb what Turgid wrote about you. He pinned you down perfectly.
You're arrogant, narcissistic and way dumber than you realize. It is embarrassing to read your pathetic posts where you can't get anything right.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2515445]He could have made all of those points without being so polarizing. Regardless of the valid facts he pointed out, the blog only enflames the venomous thoughts of people who think like Gino and Shoo.[/QUOTE]I agree with you that blog is full of shit. But if we don't ban the origins of these viruses (like we are doing with banning travel from UK now) for a prolonged period, we will keep seeing more and more deadly pathogens coming out of the repeat offenders like China. We can debate how difficult that would be to the people there or people with business or relatives there, but that same logic of difficulty also goes with now banning people from UK.
At the end of the day, rest of the world needs to ban travels to and from China (and any country that allows travel to and from China) until they can prove their credibility by not starting another deadly pathogen for at least a decade. If we don't learn from the multiple horrible experiences like SERS, MERS, Covid-19, and be simply greedy to do business with them, but then end up losing our own life, businesses and locking down ourselves for years, we are simply big stupids who don't learn from the mistakes.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2515627]And if it's OK to ban British people, what's wrong with banning Asian people?[/QUOTE]Uh I dunno, maybe because Uk is a country and Asian is a whole race of people. Why you would extrapolate Chinese to all Asian and not British to all Caucasian reveals all we need to know about your mindset.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2515705]Yikes, you should get a life (or a friend) instead of obsessing over me. Maybe you should see a professional, and I'm not talking about a prostitute. LMFAO!
You should take a look in the mirror, or just read and absorb what Turgid wrote about you. He pinned you down perfectly.
You're arrogant, narcissistic and way dumber than you realize. It is embarrassing to read your pathetic posts where you can't get anything right.[/QUOTE]Supervillains assemble. So much venom.
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She also offered a CIM and swallowed his load but some drops fell on the pizza.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2515773]Uh I dunno, maybe because Uk is a country and Asian is a whole race of people. Why you would extrapolate Chinese to all Asian and not British to all Caucasian reveals all we need to know about your mindset.[/QUOTE]You are again twisting the facts. Asia is a continent (and people who live there are Asians), same as UK is a country (and the people who live there are British). My argument is if it is OK to ban all people travelling from UK (a country made up of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland), what's wrong with banning all people travelling from Asia (particularly from the country China)?
Simply ban all flights and other entry points for a decade for people travelling from China (and for people from any other country that allows people traveling from China), if they don't start another deadly pathogen in that decade, then relax the bans. May have to extend this similar ban to people traveling from other Asian countries if any of them starts. You can keep arguing with me on these, but it's being super stupid not to learn after so many repeat offences (SERS, MERS, H1 N1, COVID-19) from the same region.
I have never said all Asians are Chinese, please learn to read first.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2515623]Was this the same woman who was with a client in a room, stepped out to get pizza, then proceeded to French kiss another client in the hallway before she returned to the chump waiting in the room for her?[/QUOTE]She didn't get out of room, but I stopped our sex because she told me she didn't have time to eat since our first room when she started at 2 pm, so I proposed her to go to eat pizza, she looked at me with round eyes, for sure no other client never proposed her this before, and we were together in restaurant to take pizzas and we returned to room where we ate, and I didn't see her kissing another guy after she sucked me, when we were around the middle of our room. This was in September 2017, even I could offer her time to eat, my tip for her past behavior, but I preferred to stop with her on mid October 2017, when good surprise was discovered on September 2018, and previous was very angry I chose good surprise, but I didn't know about them, my choice was not to hurt her, when interesting beauties were rare at LR since end of 2017, when some stopped. But you saw at GT how long you had to wait for a girl who asked me to go with her. I only trust facts I see in brothels, not all bullshits written, when previous never told me she preferred to go with claiming guy. Everybody: German guys, staff, knew who she chose.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2515796]She didn't get out of room, but I stopped our sex because she told me she didn't have time to eat since our first room when she started at 2 pm, so I proposed her to go to eat pizza, she looked at me with round eyes, for sure no other client never proposed her this before, and we were together in restaurant to take pizzas and we returned to room where we ate, and I didn't see her kissing another guy after she sucked me, when we were around the middle of our room. This was in September 2017, even I could offer her time to eat, my tip for her past behavior, but I preferred to stop with her on mid October 2017, when good surprise was discovered on September 2018, and previous was very angry I chose good surprise, but I didn't know about them, my choice was not to hurt her, when interesting beauties were rare at LR since end of 2017, when some stopped. But you saw at GT how long you had to wait for a girl who asked me to go with her. I only trust facts I see in brothels, not all bullshits written, when previous never told me she preferred to go with claiming guy. Everybody: German guys, staff, knew who she chose.[/QUOTE]I could add one here told me he saw weekly for months, previous who was LR busy superstar coming to me every Friday when starting, and also me with good surprise he showed me, before showing her my writings here, 2 months later. Maybe he will write react facts which happened. Funny was desk still asking me if I waited for previous when I stooped with her for 1 year and came only for good surprise.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2515781]Supervillains assemble. So much venom.[/QUOTE]You should grow up and get your act together.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2515796]She didn't get out of room, but I stopped our sex because she told me she didn't have time to eat since our first room when she started at 2 pm, so I proposed her to go to eat pizza, she looked at me with round eyes, for sure no other client never proposed her this before, and we were together in restaurant to take pizzas and we returned to room where we ate, and I didn't see her kissing another guy after she sucked me, when we were around the middle of our room. This was in September 2017, even I could offer her time to eat, my tip for her past behavior, but I preferred to stop with her on mid October 2017, when good surprise was discovered on September 2018, and previous was very angry I chose good surprise, but I didn't know about them, my choice was not to hurt her, when interesting beauties were rare at LR since end of 2017, when some stopped. But you saw at GT how long you had to wait for a girl who asked me to go with her. I only trust facts I see in brothels, not all bullshits written, when previous never told me she preferred to go with claiming guy. Everybody: German guys, staff, knew who she chose.[/QUOTE]What does cum drizzled pizza taste like?
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2515795]You are again twisting the facts. Asia is a continent (and people who live there are Asians), same as UK is a country (and the people who live there are British). My argument is if it is OK to ban all people travelling from UK (a country made up of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland), what's wrong with banning all people travelling from Asia (particularly from the country China)?
Simply ban all flights and other entry points for a decade for people travelling from China (and for people from any other country that allows people traveling from China), if they don't start another deadly pathogen in that decade, then relax the bans. May have to extend this similar ban to people traveling from other Asian countries if any of them starts. You can keep arguing with me on these, but it's being super stupid not to learn after so many repeat offences (SERS, MERS, H1 N1, COVID-19) from the same region.
I have never said all Asians are Chinese, please learn to read first.[/QUOTE]You don't get it, so let's try this again: Why would you propose to exclude all people from the Asian continent for a virus started in China but not exclude all people from the European continent for a strain started in the UK.
By your logic I guess by excluding Asians, you also meant to exclude people from Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia, Kazakhstan, and Siberian Russia. Or do you just think that East Asians are chronic disease carriers?
This thought process should be interesting.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2515826]You should grow up and get your act together.[/QUOTE]But then how would I be able to relate to you?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2515851]You don't get it, so let's try this again: Why would you propose to exclude all people from the Asian continent for a virus started in China but not exclude all people from the European continent for a strain started in the UK.
By your logic I guess by excluding Asians, you also meant to exclude people from Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia, Kazakhstan, and Siberian Russia. Or do you just think that East Asians are chronic disease carriers?
This thought process should be interesting.[/QUOTE]Dude,
Do you even know how to read? Or you forgot what your mom taught you "think before speak"? I clearly said ban people from China now for a decade, and ban people from other countries who start another deadly pathogen or if they continue to allow travel to and from China.
Repeat offenders must be proactively handled or we will keep seeing pandemics every few years. If we don't ban the Chinese people now, we shouldn't blame them when the next Chinese deadly pathogen hits us, it's our fault of not taking the necessary steps proactively.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2515845]What does cum drizzled pizza taste like?[/QUOTE]If she followed me to improve in bed, and never said limit, but we didn't have same tastes for pizzas, she took hers in her plate and I took mine, she took drinks at the bar, maximum 5 minutes off the room and we returned to eat and finishing our second room of the day, like weekly for months. I don t remember she told me she preferred to go with another one, because for sure, I would have answered: Go, run. And of course, we repeated on next Friday. No more pizzas, all eaten, when we finished with good surprise, 1 year later, so lovely to go to kitchen and prepare me a sandwich. Pizzas were my tip for my respect for previous, maybe sandwich was my tip from good surprise, for my behavior with her. Maybe also why Lucifer. De came 3 times to me when full busy at GT, and came again at Velbert 1 month later, when I left our room at Palace after 15 mn, 9 months ago. In real life, a way for a woman to love a man is to prepare him to eat.
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Chinese government hide and lied from October 2019 to January 2020 and even after for figures, when UK was just isolated for 48 hours, to know a bit about virus mutant, when UK won t be isolated from EU after brexit start. I think good point for both economy for UK and EU. Vaccine started now in many countries, wish will protect people who need and medical, but as far I understood, should protect but not prevent from catching and giving to others, so how to stop spreading? Even wish deaths will lower, when young ones don't care much about.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2515623]Was this the same woman who was with a client in a room, stepped out to get pizza, then proceeded to French kiss another client in the hallway before she returned to the chump waiting in the room for her?[/QUOTE]It seems to bring back memories for some people. I personally don't remember the night described but I was most likely there in the kitchen. The night that brings back memories was when a client almost struck disaster with a lit cigarette. Brings new meaning to fire in bed on a forum when actual burning objects are involved. I guess it was some attempted foreplay gone wrong or perhaps he was a jilted lover like the guy who set off stink bombs in Frankfurt. Heck, it could have possible been the same one.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2514472]This is becoming funnier by the day. Of course it is too little too late. The whole world should have banned the Asians, particularly the Chinese travelers, back in January 2020 or before, even before I suggested that on this board.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Turgid;2514887]It is said that hindsight is 20 20, for good reason. Back in January, 2020 news came out of a new coronavirus from which one man in China died. At the time did you think that all Asians should be banned from travelling?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Gino02;2515172]Well, more reasons they should have been banned even earlier, going forward maybe forever because those countries keep producing new deadly virus every decade! Go one decade without producing another deadly pathogen, then the ban would be relaxed.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gino02;2515627]And if it's OK to ban British people, what's wrong with banning Asian people?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mursenary;2515773]Uh I dunno, maybe because Uk is a country and Asian is a whole race of people. Why you would extrapolate Chinese to all Asian and not British to all Caucasian reveals all we need to know about your mindset.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Gino02;2515795]You are again twisting the facts. Asia is a continent (and people who live there are Asians), same as UK is a country (and the people who live there are British). My argument is if it is OK to ban all people travelling from UK (a country made up of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland), what's wrong with banning all people travelling from Asia (particularly from the country China)?
Simply ban all flights and other entry points for a decade for people travelling from China (and for people from any other country that allows people traveling from China), if they don't start another deadly pathogen in that decade, then relax the bans. May have to extend this similar ban to people traveling from other Asian countries if any of them starts. You can keep arguing with me on these, but it's being super stupid not to learn after so many repeat offences (SERS, MERS, H1 N1, COVID-19) from the same region.
I have never said all Asians are Chinese, please learn to read first.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mursenary;2515851]You don't get it, so let's try this again: Why would you propose to exclude all people from the Asian continent for a virus started in China but not exclude all people from the European continent for a strain started in the UK.
By your logic I guess by excluding Asians, you also meant to exclude people from Bangladesh, Saudi Arabia, Kazakhstan, and Siberian Russia. Or do you just think that East Asians are chronic disease carriers?
[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Gino02;2515905]Do you even know how to read? Or you forgot what your mom taught you "think before speak"? I clearly said ban people from China now for a decade, and ban people from other countries who start another deadly pathogen or if they continue to allow travel to and from China.[/QUOTE]Nah, paper trail says otherwise. You definitely lumped all Asians together and proposed a ban on all Asians regardless of nationality while not applying the same standard to the Brits.
It's cool man. Your original unabashed stance was just fine. No need to backtrack. I'd rather deal with an out-of-the-closet bigot than a clandestine one. Own that shit. Be you.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2515923]If she followed me to improve in bed, and never said limit, but we didn't have same tastes for pizzas, she took hers in her plate and I took mine, she took drinks at the bar, maximum 5 minutes off the room and we returned to eat and finishing our second room of the day, like weekly for months. I don t remember she told me she preferred to go with another one, because for sure, I would have answered: Go, run. And of course, we repeated on next Friday. No more pizzas, all eaten, when we finished with good surprise, 1 year later, so lovely to go to kitchen and prepare me a sandwich. Pizzas were my tip for my respect for previous, maybe sandwich was my tip from good surprise, for my behavior with her. Maybe also why Lucifer. De came 3 times to me when full busy at GT, and came again at Velbert 1 month later, when I left our room at Palace after 15 mn, 9 months ago. In real life, a way for a woman to love a man is to prepare him to eat.[/QUOTE]So a little creamy? Or like eating oysters?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2516039]So a little creamy? Or like eating oysters?[/QUOTE]I liked her milky sticky nearly squirting juice, but she didn't want to taste her on my fingers. Of course, not like claimed Spanish who took so many towels when going to room, the one I advised you when you asked me, not able to choose a girl by yourself. Even we were together to take pizzas, if she really DFK another guy, then he got my dick taste when we already had foreplay and she was fast to return with me to room, rather than staying with him, she also didn't waste time to eat, she ate fast, I remember not even finishing her pizzas, she said she took too much, when I finished mine and she had to wait I finished, then we finished our sex as usual, with about 10 rooms for 15 hours per month. I don't remember any problem in restaurant on this night of September 2917, nor in September 2018 when I was surprised no more pizza at 30 past midnight when we finished, so got a sandwich prepared by my girl. Who here got same from his girl?
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2515795]Simply ban all flights and other entry points for a decade for people travelling from China (and for people from any other country that allows people traveling from China), if they don't start another deadly pathogen in that decade, then relax the bans. May have to extend this similar ban to people traveling from other Asian countries if any of them starts. You can keep arguing with me on these, but it's being super stupid not to learn after so many repeat offences (SERS, MERS, H1 N1, COVID-19) from the same region.[/QUOTE]What did you learn this? News Max? The Rush Limbaugh Show? What is SERS? The only reference I can find for that involves a viral detection method. Enlighten me please, and make the connection to China. MERS was first discovered in Saudi Arabia and most cases have come from that region.
[URL]https://www.who.int/csr/don/05-may-2020-mers-saudi-arabia/en/[/URL]
No one knows where H1 N1 or the Spanish Flu originated, but most theorize Western Europe or the US. The 2009 Swine Flu was first identified in Mexico.
[URL]https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-i/1918-flu-pandemic[/URL]
In any case there's been a lot of epidemics, plagues, and pandemics throughout the ages and most aren't traced to China.
[URL]https://www.healthline.com/health/worst-disease-outbreaks-history[/URL]#smallpox.
[URL]https://www.livescience.com/worst-epidemics-and-pandemics-in-history.html[/URL]
Once the cat got out of the bag the biggest problem in the US was stupid rednecks and their associated behaviors. Sadly that disease is chronic, with no cure in sight, and it will add fuel to the fire of a pandemic every time. A lot of countries did well, especially ones in Asia or the Asia Pacific, Thailand, New Zealand, Taiwan, etc.
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Picking quarrels and provoking trouble
China sentences citizen journalist to four years in prison for Wuhan lockdown reports ([URL]https://www.foxnews.com/world/citizen-journalist-in-china-who-reported-on-covid-19-sentenced-to-4-years[/URL]).
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Let the fun begin!
Japan bans entry from all countries to block new strain's spread ([URL]https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/Japan-bans-entry-from-all-countries-to-block-new-strain-s-spread[/URL]).
Now what would be wrong with all other countries banning people from Japan? I am always ahead of you slow people in thinking what's coming and what should happen, like I said back in January to ban Asians, particularly the Chinese, into any other continent (and in FKKs as far as this forum is concerned). Want to try again to prove me wrong? LOL.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2516089]I liked her milky sticky nearly squirting juice, but she didn't want to taste her on my fingers. Of course, not like claimed Spanish who took so many towels when going to room, the one I advised you when you asked me, not able to choose a girl by yourself. Even we were together to take pizzas, if she really DFK another guy, then he got my dick taste when we already had foreplay and she was fast to return with me to room, rather than staying with him, she also didn't waste time to eat, she ate fast, I remember not even finishing her pizzas, she said she took too much, when I finished mine and she had to wait I finished, then we finished our sex as usual, with about 10 rooms for 15 hours per month. I don't remember any problem in restaurant on this night of September 2917, nor in September 2018 when I was surprised no more pizza at 30 past midnight when we finished, so got a sandwich prepared by my girl. Who here got same from his girl?[/QUOTE]Got it. So you're saying swallowing cum was like swallowing a raw oyster. Good for you!
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2515932]Vaccine started now in many countries, wish will protect people who need and medical, but as far I understood, should protect but not prevent from catching and giving to others, so how to stop spreading?[/QUOTE]Because after many repeated attempts of explaining it, you either refuse to or are incapable of understanding the concept of (R [SUB]0[/SUB]), basic reproductive number, and its relationship to the path to herd immunity.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2516161]Japan bans entry from all countries to block new strain's spread ([URL]https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/Japan-bans-entry-from-all-countries-to-block-new-strain-s-spread[/URL]).
Now what would be wrong with all other countries banning people from Japan? I am always ahead of you slow people in thinking what's coming and what should happen, like I said back in January to ban Asians, particularly the Chinese, into any other continent (and in FKKs as far as this forum is concerned). Want to try again to prove me wrong? LOL.[/QUOTE]Right out of the Trump playbook. Never admit wrong and just skip to the next calamity while ignoring all facts that are evident to all others. It really has become a neck and neck race to the bottom between you and Shoo.
Just say it out loud and get it off your chest, "I am a white supremacist bigot."
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Mursenary
Enough already with the stupid posts.
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[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2516175]Enough already with the stupid posts.[/QUOTE]You're not my dad.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2516163]Got it. So you're saying swallowing cum was like swallowing a raw oyster. Good for you![/QUOTE]Thumbs up, hilarious thread.
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[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2516175]Enough already with the stupid posts.[/QUOTE]Frustrated jealous have only this, or showing to girls what we write here, as did some here, one even sending by email to LR, when normal process, reason to go in brothels, for me, is to get girls we want and to get what we want from our girls, each one own level and standard for this of course. I remember one here writing she was always full busy, I don t understand, she came to me to start her day every Friday and asked for second room later at night, she could change her appointments with bigger money for me and I loved her behavior for me, when many were waiting for her, so she could choose to go with others, but she never told me she preferred to go with claiming in restaurant, when she thanked me for my behavior to give her time to eat. Must be a reason for real facts happening, and I remember on January 2018 at LR and GT. Now I wish her to be free, to get her money for her, after fucking with everybody as she turned, and to have a woman life, and wish a good health and success for business to good surprise.
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Covid deaths
Number 1: US 320000 but can't really know with so many illegals and with no healthcare, more than 60 millions people.
Number 2: Brazil, and Russia where we start now to get the truth, with nearly 200.000. Won't be enough vaccines and maybe Russia aim to sell Sputnik.
Can't know the truth for China.
UK more than 70.000.
Italy nearly 70.000.
France not far from 65.000 and Spain more than 60.000.
Too many deaths, wish for 2021 vaccines will be efficient to protect weak and medical, but vaccines don t prevent to catch and give, so not enough to stop spreading, when pharma won t produce enough for all those who want and if efficient, but nobody know for how long? Bad killer virus.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2516107]What did you learn this? News Max? The Rush Limbaugh Show? What is SERS? The only reference I can find for that involves a viral detection method. Enlighten me please, and make the connection to China. MERS was first discovered in Saudi Arabia and most cases have come from that region.
[URL]https://www.who.int/csr/don/05-may-2020-mers-saudi-arabia/en/[/URL]
No one knows where H1 N1 or the Spanish Flu originated, but most theorize Western Europe or the US. The 2009 Swine Flu was first identified in Mexico.
[URL]https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-i/1918-flu-pandemic[/URL]
In any case there's been a lot of epidemics, plagues, and pandemics throughout the ages and most aren't traced to China.
[URL]https://www.healthline.com/health/worst-disease-outbreaks-history[/URL]#smallpox.
[URL]https://www.livescience.com/worst-epidemics-and-pandemics-in-history.html[/URL]
Once the cat got out of the bag the biggest problem in the US was stupid rednecks and their associated behaviors. Sadly that disease is chronic, with no cure in sight, and it will add fuel to the fire of a pandemic every time. A lot of countries did well, especially ones in Asia or the Asia Pacific, Thailand, New Zealand, Taiwan, etc.[/QUOTE]LOL tell me when was the last time the stupid rednecks and their associated behaviors in US started a global pandemic, or even an epidemic? Never! Now let's try to discuss intelligently and unbiased.
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Some words are missing, maybe I need my Chongmal translator.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2516107]What did you learn this? News Max? The Rush Limbaugh Show? What is SERS? The only reference I can find for that involves a viral detection method. Enlighten me please, and make the connection to China. MERS was first discovered in Saudi Arabia and most cases have come from that region.
[URL]https://www.who.int/csr/don/05-may-2020-mers-saudi-arabia/en/[/URL]
No one knows where H1 N1 or the Spanish Flu originated, but most theorize Western Europe or the US. The 2009 Swine Flu was first identified in Mexico.
[URL]https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-i/1918-flu-pandemic[/URL]
In any case there's been a lot of epidemics, plagues, and pandemics throughout the ages and most aren't traced to China.
[URL]https://www.healthline.com/health/worst-disease-outbreaks-history[/URL]#smallpox.
[URL]https://www.livescience.com/worst-epidemics-and-pandemics-in-history.html[/URL]
Once the cat got out of the bag the biggest problem in the US was stupid rednecks and their associated behaviors. Sadly that disease is chronic, with no cure in sight, and it will add fuel to the fire of a pandemic every time. A lot of countries did well, especially ones in Asia or the Asia Pacific, Thailand, New Zealand, Taiwan, etc.[/QUOTE]It's embarrassing to see how incorrect you are. CNN and liberal media brainwashed you into the abomination you're today. The Spanish flu originated from China. You're embarrassing yourself, you don't even know what SARS is!
The biggest problem in USA would be the libtards, just look at the states where most died people because of Covid-19. New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts. All of them are full of good for nothing libtards. Just answer me if there's any ethnicity that's worse affected than the others in USA?
Morons like you give Americans a bad name.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2516260]LOL tell me when was the last time the stupid rednecks and their associated behaviors in US started a global pandemic, or even an epidemic? Never! Now let's try to discuss intelligently and unbiased.[/QUOTE]Intelligent and unbiased requires one to be truthful. Not owning one's bigotry and while denying one's own postings excludes you from this type of conversation.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2516249]Frustrated jealous have only this, or showing to girls what we write here, as did some here, one even sending by email to LR, when normal process, reason to go in brothels, for me, is to get girls we want and to get what we want from our girls, each one own level and standard for this of course. I remember one here writing she was always full busy, I don t understand, she came to me to start her day every Friday and asked for second room later at night, she could change her appointments with bigger money for me and I loved her behavior for me, when many were waiting for her, so she could choose to go with others, but she never told me she preferred to go with claiming in restaurant, when she thanked me for my behavior to give her time to eat. Must be a reason for real facts happening, and I remember on January 2018 at LR and GT. Now I wish her to be free, to get her money for her, after fucking with everybody as she turned, and to have a woman life, and wish a good health and success for business to good surprise.[/QUOTE]Loosen up and laugh a little Pepe LePew.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2516259]Number 1: US 320000 but can't really know with so many illegals and with no healthcare, more than 60 millions people.
Number 2: Brazil, and Russia where we start now to get the truth, with nearly 200.000. Won't be enough vaccines and maybe Russia aim to sell Sputnik.
Can't know the truth for China.
UK more than 70.000.
Italy nearly 70.000.
France not far from 65.000 and Spain more than 60.000.
Too many deaths, wish for 2021 vaccines will be efficient to protect weak and medical, but vaccines don t prevent to catch and give, so not enough to stop spreading, when pharma won t produce enough for all those who want and if efficient, but nobody know for how long? Bad killer virus.[/QUOTE]The cognitive dissonance is quite remarkable. Impressive, bravo.
Lack of scientific knowledge and reporting of news packaged to the lowest common denominator is quite sad for a man who's lived over half a century on this earth.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2516171]Right out of the Trump playbook. Never admit wrong and just skip to the next calamity while ignoring all facts that are evident to all others. It really has become a neck and neck race to the bottom between you and Shoo.
Just say it out loud and get it off your chest, "I am a white supremacist bigot."[/QUOTE]Why am I not surprised to learn that you hate White people. You should spend less time on here and more in the psychiatrist's office.
You're a true demagogue.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2516187]You're not my dad.[/QUOTE]At JimmyBoy99, he agrees that his posts are stupid, but he won't stop because you are not his dad. Maybe he's still looking for a dad to give him some paternal advices, teaching and intelligence. Let's wish good luck to him.
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[QUOTE=Chongmal;2516015]It seems to bring back memories for some people. I personally don't remember the night described but I was most likely there in the kitchen. The night that brings back memories was when a client almost struck disaster with a lit cigarette. Brings new meaning to fire in bed on a forum when actual burning objects are involved. I guess it was some attempted foreplay gone wrong or perhaps he was a jilted lover like the guy who set off stink bombs in Frankfurt. Heck, it could have possible been the same one.[/QUOTE]I know of one young American who was kicked out of a club for taking a video of a girl. The only other person I know who was ejected from a club was a regular who was kicked out of both GT and LR at different points due to multiple issues with multiple girls. Creeper status.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2516171]Right out of the Trump playbook. Never admit wrong and just skip to the next calamity while ignoring all facts that are evident to all others. It really has become a neck and neck race to the bottom between you and Shoo.
Just say it out loud and get it off your chest, "I am a white supremacist bigot."[/QUOTE]No reaction to Japan banning everyone else huh? Just change the topic?
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I told you so
Trump wins title of Americans' most admired man in 2020 annual survey ([URL]https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/29/trump-gallup-most-admired-452126[/URL]).
See? Didn't I tell you before that most people actually love him (except for criminals and stupid people). Now let's get rid of the frauds in the last Election.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2516516]I know of one young American who was kicked out of a club for taking a video of a girl. The only other person I know who was ejected from a club was a regular who was kicked out of both GT and LR at different points due to multiple issues with multiple girls. Creeper status.[/QUOTE]Was it the pillar lover?
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About the origin of the Spanish flu, my dear Swedish friend who lives under a bridge may have it wrong (who said as usual?
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-commemoration/1918-pandemic-history.htm[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2516463]The cognitive dissonance is quite remarkable. Impressive, bravo.
Lack of scientific knowledge and reporting of news packaged to the lowest common denominator is quite sad for a man who's lived over half a century on this earth.[/QUOTE]In France, vaccine nobody know about efficiency and for how long, are for old and medical, after will be for at risk for health, but what we are sure in France is not old or weak or medical spreading virus, but young who just don t care as long they are not in hospital, so vaccine won t stop spreading, just protect weakest and wish for less deaths. When I remember on March, your ridiculous Trump telling to find disinfection to clean inside body, like washing inside body, the image of US and so many voted for to re elected, when what about for more than 10 millions illegals and 50 millions without insurance, for vaccine? Will they get vaccine for free? Not to spread among poor who were the most numerous dying, with fridge trucks in streets and Hart island for rich NYC. Are these facts about crazy orange golfer who was nearly to be re elected or what happened when he claimed on March: US were stronger than virus, but number 1 for deaths in the world, with big unemployment and poverty now, information's we get from journalists working and living in US, not true? At least in France, we know we have big problem about virus and even vaccine starting, worst towns will be locked at 6 pm, to try to prevent spreading, when it worked on each lock down and same everywhere in Western Europe, even Germany, and starting again when no more lock down, when vaccine people can still catch and transmit, for R0 . Just wish they will really be protected.
There are facts and there are bullshits, Trump being a specialist, same like in land of jealousy brothels. I only trust real facts I see or experience in brothels, like with GT superstar Kate for 5 years starting in Velbert, or weekly for months with the prettiest woman types at LR, when previous Eve was the busy superstar many were waiting for, but never had to wait for her when she came weekly to me, like Lucifer. De at GT. Maybe matter of size to feel.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2516534]No reaction to Japan banning everyone else huh? Just change the topic?[/QUOTE]My reaction is that autonomous nations have the right to exclude all foreigners if they choose. Their decision is not based on racial bias and bigotry but a desire to be isolationists, something not new to their history. The issue is when you vehemently propose the exclusion of an entire race of people yet try to deny that you did so only to explicitly promote the same message once again. Furthermore you selectively chose to extrapolate the categorization of the people of a single east Asian nation to an entire half of a continent. Meanwhile selectively choose to not extrapolate that same logic to a predominantly Caucasian nation to a predominantly Caucasian continent.
Speaking of changing the subject, how about a retort to the paper trail of evidence I posted that exposed your explicit lie of proposing a ban to only the Chinese?
These are points that would be obvious to the common 10th grade reader reading your posts, yet here you are, either through shear delusion or deception, choose to make wildly inconsistent statements that are not aligned with your own comments or common sense at large.
Like I said, just a half a step above ShooBree but it's a neck and neck race to the bottom.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2516482]Why am I not surprised to learn that you hate White people. You should spend less time on here and more in the psychiatrist's office.
You're a true demagogue.[/QUOTE]I love white people. That's my natural in-group. But most white people in the world don't spew as many detrimental ideas and straight out lies as a select few posters on this forum. I once thought that perhaps the posts were just trash by people who actually knew better, just wanting to get a reaction, but I'm grateful to silent non-posters who have inboxed to say, "No, they really are that fucking dumb."
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2516497]At JimmyBoy99, he agrees that his posts are stupid, but he won't stop because you are not his dad. Maybe he's still looking for a dad to give him some paternal advices, teaching and intelligence. Let's wish good luck to him.[/QUOTE]He wasn't talking about my conversations with you. Silly rabbit, dicks are for chicks.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2516655]In France, vaccine nobody know about efficiency and for how long, are for old and medical, after will be for at risk for health, but what we are sure in France is not old or weak or medical spreading virus, but young who just don t care as long they are not in hospital, so vaccine won t stop spreading, just protect weakest and wish for less deaths. When I remember on March, your ridiculous Trump telling to find disinfection to clean inside body, like washing inside body, the image of US and so many voted for to re elected, when what about for more than 10 millions illegals and 50 millions without insurance, for vaccine? Will they get vaccine for free? Not to spread among poor who were the most numerous dying, with fridge trucks in streets and Hart island for rich NYC. Are these facts about crazy orange golfer who was nearly to be re elected or what happened when he claimed on March: US were stronger than virus, but number 1 for deaths in the world, with big unemployment and poverty now, information's we get from journalists working and living in US, not true? At least in France, we know we have big problem about virus and even vaccine starting, worst towns will be locked at 6 pm, to try to prevent spreading, when it worked on each lock down and same everywhere in Western Europe, even Germany, and starting again when no more lock down, when vaccine people can still catch and transmit, for R0 . Just wish they will really be protected.
There are facts and there are bullshits, Trump being a specialist, same like in land of jealousy brothels. I only trust real facts I see or experience in brothels, like with GT superstar Kate for 5 years starting in Velbert, or weekly for months with the prettiest woman types at LR, when previous Eve was the busy superstar many were waiting for, but never had to wait for her when she came weekly to me, like Lucifer. De at GT. Maybe matter of size to feel.[/QUOTE]Trump is dumb.
For the third time, vaccination will slow spread by reducing infectious time and thus reduces transmission rate (R [SUB]0[/SUB]).
Prostitutes like money more than old dick and grey pubic hair.
No one here cares about the size of your dick.
The end.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2516629]Was it the pillar lover?[/QUOTE]The Roman-Statue Midget indeed.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2516631]About the origin of the Spanish flu, my dear Swedish friend who lives under a bridge may have it wrong (who said as usual?
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-commemoration/1918-pandemic-history.htm[/URL][/QUOTE]You're wrong as usual. Everyone knows that the Spanish flu came from China. Don't you get tired of being a pathetic troll?
[URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/news/2014/1/140123-spanish-flu-1918-china-origins-pandemic-science-health[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2516673]My reaction is that autonomous nations have the right to exclude all foreigners if they choose. Their decision is not based on racial bias and bigotry but a desire to be isolationists, something not new to their history. The issue is when you vehemently propose the exclusion of an entire race of people yet try to deny that you did so only to explicitly promote the same message once again. Furthermore you selectively chose to extrapolate the categorization of the people of a single east Asian nation to an entire half of a continent. Meanwhile selectively choose to not extrapolate that same logic to a predominantly Caucasian nation to a predominantly Caucasian continent.
Speaking of changing the subject, how about a retort to the paper trail of evidence I posted that exposed your explicit lie of proposing a ban to only the Chinese?
These are points that would be obvious to the common 10th grade reader reading your posts, yet here you are, either through shear delusion or deception, choose to make wildly inconsistent statements that are not aligned with your own comments or common sense at large.
Like I said, just a half a step above ShooBree but it's a neck and neck race to the bottom.[/QUOTE]Didn't I write that the Asian, particularly the Chinese ban for a decade is needed because they keep producing new deadly pathogen every few years? Didn't I write that ban could be relaxed when they prove their credibility by not producing another deadly pathogen for a decade? It's result oriented action, nothing to do with racism. You are probably an Asian, so you feel it's racism, but start to think about others when your people keep creating deadly epidemics every few years. Look inside and fix your own home first, before calling your neighbors racist.
If western world doesn't ban these Asian countries, particularly China for at least a decade, the western world is to blame themselves for their greed and stupidity when their own people gets killed and everything gets shutdown by these pandemics.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2516675]I love white people. That's my natural in-group. But most white people in the world don't spew as many detrimental ideas and straight out lies as a select few posters on this forum. I once thought that perhaps the posts were just trash by people who actually knew better, just wanting to get a reaction, but I'm grateful to silent non-posters who have inboxed to say, "No, they really are that fucking dumb."[/QUOTE]LOL you love stupid white people like Joe Biden who thinks his wife is his sister, or corrupt white people like Joe Biden who keeps covering crimes by his son with the help of the swamp. You hate smart white people like Trump because they know how to do things right, and they quickly understand how stupid and bad of a human being you are.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2516712]You're wrong as usual. Everyone knows that the Spanish flu came from China. Don't you get tired of being a pathetic troll?
[URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/api.nationalgeographic.com/distribution/public/amp/news/2014/1/140123-spanish-flu-1918-china-origins-pandemic-science-health[/URL][/QUOTE]Maybe you should try actually reading the sources you quote as backing up your claims. Because if you did, then you would have seen this: "Humphries concedes that a final answer to the mystery of the Spanish flu's origins is still a ways off".
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ShoeTroll I think you don't understand what you quote
[QUOTE]one of the side stories of the war—the mobilization of 96,000 Chinese laborers to work behind the British and French lines on World War I's Western Front—may have been the source of the pandemic[/QUOTE]'may have been', that's pretty clear to me no? But at least for the first time you used a rather reliable source, not a random argument coming from your fantasy world, congrats!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2516711]The Roman-Statue Midget indeed.[/QUOTE]I thought it was some sort of halfling, like the ones you find in the works of sir Tolkien. He even created his own language coming straight for middle earth.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2516735]Maybe you should try actually reading the sources you quote as backing up your claims. Because if you did, then you would have seen this: "Humphries concedes that a final answer to the mystery of the Spanish flu's origins is still a ways off".[/QUOTE]Thumbs up my friend.
I didn't see that one.
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Majority of US voters: "you're fired"
[QUOTE=Gino02;2516726]LOL you love stupid white people like Joe Biden who thinks his wife is his sister, or corrupt white people like Joe Biden who keeps covering crimes by his son with the help of the swamp. You hate smart white people like Trump because they know how to do things right, and they quickly understand how stupid and bad of a human being you are.[/QUOTE]Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall. Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
All of the horses and all of the king's men couldn't put Humpty together again.
Humpty. An egg, is a symbol of fertility. But also fragility.
A symbol of the earth, which is not round, but slightly egg-shaped.
Stay tuned: on January 6, Congress counts the electoral and declares the winner, or if you insist, not the loser, but the one who dint win.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2516760]ShoeTroll I think you don't understand what you quote
'may have been', that's pretty clear to me no? But at least for the first time you used a rather reliable source, not a random argument coming from your fantasy world, congrats![/QUOTE]I don't think that you understand what "may have been" means.
The flu came from China according to most experts.
You can't even tell the difference between millions and billions. Go back to school.
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[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2516803]Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall. Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
All of the horses and all of the king's men couldn't put Humpty together again.
Humpty. An egg, is a symbol of fertility. But also fragility.
A symbol of the earth, which is not round, but slightly egg-shaped.
Stay tuned: on January 6, Congress counts the electoral and declares the winner, or if you insist, not the loser, but the one who dint win.[/QUOTE]The CCP clearly didn't like Trump, that's probably why they campaigned for Biden.
China and Iran are celebrating Biden's victory. Dumb Americans.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2516735]Maybe you should try actually reading the sources you quote as backing up your claims. Because if you did, then you would have seen this: "Humphries concedes that a final answer to the mystery of the Spanish flu's origins is still a ways off".[/QUOTE]So in other words you claim that Bidtroll was incorrect when he claimed that the flu came from USA? Good to know that you don't agree with him.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2516675]I love white people. That's my natural in-group. But most white people in the world don't spew as many detrimental ideas and straight out lies as a select few posters on this forum. I once thought that perhaps the posts were just trash by people who actually knew better, just wanting to get a reaction, but I'm grateful to silent non-posters who have inboxed to say, "No, they really are that fucking dumb."[/QUOTE]Funny thing is that I keep getting messages from other members thanking me for correcting your lies. You should spend more time with your psychiatrist and less time spewing your moronic lies on here.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2516720]Didn't I write that the Asian, particularly the Chinese ban for a decade is needed because they keep producing new deadly pathogen every few years? Didn't I write that ban could be relaxed when they prove their credibility by not producing another deadly pathogen for a decade? It's result oriented action, nothing to do with racism. You are probably an Asian, so you feel it's racism, but start to think about others when your people keep creating deadly epidemics every few years. Look inside and fix your own home first, before calling your neighbors racist.
If western world doesn't ban these Asian countries, particularly China for at least a decade, the western world is to blame themselves for their greed and stupidity when their own people gets killed and everything gets shutdown by these pandemics.[/QUOTE]Listen to yourself. You keep confounding your own words.
"Ban these Asian countries". Why does a dude from Singapore get lumped up with the Chinese? Why do the Koreans get lumped up with the Chinese? Why do the Japanese? Now why are you not lumping the Dutch with British? Why not lump the Germans with the British? The Italians? Huh? Answer that.
At least skin heads are open about their racism. You're the worst kind of racist. The one that'll stab you in the back with a smile.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2516820]The flu came from China according to most experts..[/QUOTE]All those little voices in your head don't qualify as experts.
Do you realize that you've been constantly embarrassing yourself on this forum with all your rants about herd immunity in Sweden, your botched comparison with Ireland when Ireland has less deaths, your homoerotic passion for trump and so on?
Now you're quoting an article that doesn't support your claims. Just because you didn't read past the title. Too many words maybe?
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2516825]Funny thing is that I keep getting messages from other members thanking me for correcting your lies.[/QUOTE]They're coming from the other accounts that you created.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2516825]Funny thing is that I keep getting messages from other members thanking me for correcting your lies. You should spend more time with your psychiatrist and less time spewing your moronic lies on here.[/QUOTE]Well that's obviously a lie.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2516828]Listen to yourself. You keep confounding your own words.
"Ban these Asian countries". Why does a dude from Singapore get lumped up with the Chinese? Why do the Koreans get lumped up with the Chinese? Why do the Japanese? Now why are you not lumping the Dutch with British? Why not lump the Germans with the British? The Italians? Huh? Answer that.
At least skin heads are open about their racism. You're the worst kind of racist. The one that'll stab you in the back with a smile.[/QUOTE]Are you an Asian?
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2516881]Are you an Asian?[/QUOTE]I'm American. And yes ethnicity is East Asian. Chinese? No. How about you?
I'll ask again. Why ban all Asians for sins you attribute to China but not all Europeans for strains found in the UK. Why are you choosing to lump East Asians together but not people from predominantly Caucasian countries?
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Still incredible KKK power in Oregon for racism and Trump who didn't make US great but ridiculous with covid on 2020 in front of the world, and also for image for racism versus black, with murders.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2516698]Trump is dumb.
For the third time, vaccination will slow spread by reducing infectious time and thus reduces transmission rate (R [SUB]0[/SUB]).
Prostitutes like money more than old dick and grey pubic hair.
No one here cares about the size of your dick.
The end.[/QUOTE]In brothels, I like to take long, sometimes for 20 minutes, very hot water showers, not because I think girls are dirty, when I don't go with girls I find dirty or with dirty behavior, but to relax, also good for my body pains, and funny to see under shower, then you understand a lot under shower, when I m proud of my fit, firm body for my age, of my size of course, when my real sports make I don't need to take Viagra at my age, so I m not even up under shower, but those who are still up are usually not impressive for size. From your childhood with your mother which give you your own image and for women, and from your size, I remember when I played football, US soccer, when we took shower when we were around 15 with our body and mind changing and complex for many, when I was one of the less tall, but many faced the wall under shower, when we were all looking at each other and I didn't need to hide, so when I was not even the best player, nor the fastest runner, only the best stamina working for balance of our team, but boys made me captain for 2 years, decision coming from behavior under shower, from choice with their eyes. When I asked few who were my friends why they chose me, of course some were afraid to be, but they said: because You have the biggest. This give You self confidence and self image for women, when You put off your towel or robe. I remember LR previous with her 1,73 when we arrived for our first room, when she worked at LR since 3 weeks, then she sit on the edge of bed, telling me: I can t with You, my pussy is too small, I thought she wanted we left the room, I told her: we can try and if painful for You, then we stop. No other attractive girl for me at LR on this day and we didn't stop but repeated on day, even I didn't think about when leaving the room when she was so low level when since 3 weeks at LR. Of course I always had to be careful with her, for all our weekly rooms for months, but she always came to me to start her Friday or Saturday when I visited, to be wide opened, but with my care and respect and she followed me a lot, must be a reason to always make others waiting, or even to delay her appointments with bigger money. I also had to be careful with GT busy superstar Kate and she knew about my care with her. Also funny when girls touch my belly or ass or legs, when I kick in my belly, then they usually say with round eyes: please, stop this. Having clubs busiest stars for regulars, just for real facts, when frustrated jealous have only bullshits for pleasure. Each one own game, from our self image and potential with women, when I m proud of my image and no girl never took me to desk nor send me any staff to complain. I complained for first time about a girl on reopening at Samya after covid, because after really bad room, I could accept it was my fault for this, my mistake for choice, but she tried to fuck me for time when I stopped sex, then Turkish staff came, they spoke to her, they gave me a free entry, I paid the real time written on list on desk, and didn't see her on next week, even I only said I only wanted to pay for real time, as written on desk. I hated to have to complain, just killed my mood, like I hated to have to complain about vulgar, unrespectful Jane at LR when we never had any room, as I wrote I never noticed her and she could be angry, but not on my standard and at least I had balls to go to complain about her behavior in lounge, when some just don t dare, when she is a shame compare to many nice Romanian girls I met at LR, like so tender sweet Daria. I have both balls and size, for my self image, when I just don t like when girls want to touch my hair or face or dick in lounge, when I don t touch, even my regulars in lounge.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2516874]Well that's obviously a lie.[/QUOTE]Thank you for saying that since it only shows how out of touch with reality you are. You're so arrogant and full of yourself that you can't even imagine that there are even more people disagreeing with your blatant lies and demagoguery.
You really should see a psychiatrist ASAP.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2516858]They're coming from the other accounts that you created.[/QUOTE]That sounds more like something you, big troll, would do. "Mursenary" is known for creating new accounts for himself.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2516849]All those little voices in your head don't qualify as experts.
Do you realize that you've been constantly embarrassing yourself on this forum with all your rants about herd immunity in Sweden, your botched comparison with Ireland when Ireland has less deaths, your homoerotic passion for trump and so on?
Now you're quoting an article that doesn't support your claims. Just because you didn't read past the title. Too many words maybe?[/QUOTE]Funny that you are using "homoerotic" as an insult, especially considering that we're on a forum about having sex with women. Can it get any dumber than that? Well, you obviously can.
It's funny how ignorant you are. If you actually did some research you would have known that there are several experts claiming that the virus came from China. But you're just a worthless piece of shit that doesn't know anything.
Talking about embarrassments, you can't even tell the difference between millions and billions, you think closing the museums constitutes a lockdown (LMFAO!) and you got it completely wrong several times how much more money Sweden contributes with per capita to the EU compared to lousy France.
You're just a silly clown from a shithole country.
What we see today is that Bolsonaro and I got it right, the lockdowns didn't eradicate the virus and countries with lockdowns are worse off than Sweden.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2516698]...No one here cares about the size of your dick. The end.[/QUOTE]Says the guy with the tiny pee pee.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2517025]Says the guy with the tiny pee pee.[/QUOTE]That's the most wit a sexagenarian can come up with?
7 decades of fatty deposits in penile vasculature reduces erection potential. So how much of your "former self" are you now? Bahahaha.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2516983]In brothels, I like to take long, sometimes for 20 minutes, very hot water showers, not because I think girls are dirty, when I don't go with girls I find dirty or with dirty behavior, but to relax, also good for my body pains, and funny to see under shower, then you understand a lot under shower, when I m proud of my fit, firm body for my age, of my size of course, when my real sports make I don't need to take Viagra at my age, so I m not even up under[/QUOTE]Perhaps the longest diatribe of bragging about one's own ding song in the history of mankind. Your prize is a cum drizzled pizza.
Looking at other dudes junk in the shower, strange hobby.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2516992]Thank you for saying that since it only shows how out of touch with reality you are. You're so arrogant and full of yourself that you can't even imagine that there are even more people disagreeing with your blatant lies and demagoguery.
You really should see a psychiatrist ASAP.[/QUOTE]We should all tend to our mental health. My personal mental health nurse practitioner is a great guy. Perhaps you should try it. Might help resolve some of your personal deficiencies.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2516828]Listen to yourself. You keep confounding your own words.
"Ban these Asian countries". Why does a dude from Singapore get lumped up with the Chinese? Why do the Koreans get lumped up with the Chinese? Why do the Japanese? Now why are you not lumping the Dutch with British? Why not lump the Germans with the British? The Italians? Huh? Answer that.
At least skin heads are open about their racism. You're the worst kind of racist. The one that'll stab you in the back with a smile.[/QUOTE]It's simple optics oriented problem. My question would be, has he ever sat down and spent an afternoon in a club in conversation with an Asian? The opportunity must be there if Asians arrive in such high numbers that they are a problem. There are millions of Asians in Europe, and even in Germany. Would his 10 year ban include rounding them up and expelling them or placing them in isolated high density living quarters with only other Asians? What do we do with those that are half Asian? They should probably stay together with the Asians too. Who knows, their poor living habits may bring a new pandemic that is more dangerous because half of their genetics is more similar to those of European decent. Is 25% Asian still too dangerous? Now, let's remind people that historically Europeans traveled to Asian. It wasn't the Chinese who arrived by shipboard on the shores of Italy and said, "look at the ground flour mixed with eggs and water formed in the shape of long noodles. We should take this and mix it with brown bean sauce and call it Ja-Ja-Myun. " It wasn't Asians who brought ship loads of Europeans in to build the Wanli Changcheng because they were such good workers but then panicked when they discovered they were intelligent and could multiply.
I have heard Europeans spout that the issue with immigrants from Asia is that they don't integrate but then they turn around and say we need to isolate them. We are all on this glob of space degree, stuck in orbit around a star. Just like the air we breath, water we drink, the dust, the germs, the animals, etc. Everything including people are moving around on the planet. This includes human beings. Entropy, it's a scientific term you should look up.
As far as someone else discussing taking a 30 minute shower at a club and being proud of his member, Yay. Now, go stand next to Mini and feel good about yourself. LOL, LOL.
Everyone knows it's Apolyon and anyone who didn't accept his truths was fake and just a duplicate.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2516828]Listen to yourself. You keep confounding your own words.
"Ban these Asian countries". Why does a dude from Singapore get lumped up with the Chinese? Why do the Koreans get lumped up with the Chinese? Why do the Japanese? Now why are you not lumping the Dutch with British? Why not lump the Germans with the British? The Italians? Huh? Answer that.
At least skin heads are open about their racism. You're the worst kind of racist. The one that'll stab you in the back with a smile.[/QUOTE]It's simple optics oriented problem. My question would be, has he ever sat down and spent an afternoon in a club in conversation with an Asian? The opportunity must be there if Asians arrive in such high numbers that they are a problem. There are millions of Asians in Europe, and even in Germany. Would his 10 year ban include rounding them up and expelling them or placing them in isolated high density living quarters with only other Asians? What do we do with those that are half Asian? They should probably stay together with the Asians too. Who knows, their poor living habits may bring a new pandemic that is more dangerous because half of their genetics is more similar to those of European decent. Is 25% Asian still too dangerous? Now, let's remind people that historically Europeans traveled to Asian. It wasn't the Chinese who arrived by shipboard on the shores of Italy and said, "look at the ground flour mixed with eggs and water formed in the shape of long noodles. We should take this and mix it with brown bean sauce and call it Ja-Ja-Myun. " It wasn't Asians who brought ship loads of Europeans in to build the Wanli Changcheng because they were such good workers but then panicked when they discovered they were intelligent and could multiply.
I have heard Europeans spout that the issue with immigrants from Asia is that they don't integrate but then they turn around and say we need to isolate them. We are all on this glob of space degree, stuck in orbit around a star. Just like the air we breath, water we drink, the dust, the germs, the animals, etc. Everything including people are moving around on the planet. This includes human beings. Entropy, it's a scientific term you should look up.
As far as someone else discussing taking a 30 minute shower at a club and being proud of his member, Yay. Now, go stand next to Mini and feel good about yourself. LOL, LOL.
Everyone knows it's Apolyon and anyone who didn't accept his truths was fake and just a duplicate.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2516428]Some words are missing, maybe I need my Chongmal translator.[/QUOTE]I can't keep doing it. Perhaps it will help if you study the early works of Tolkien. Skip the 15 variants of Elven languages and concentrate on Dwarvish and the language of the Oarcs.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2517025]Says the guy with the tiny pee pee.[/QUOTE]You also know? When was told by another one here. For sure, create big frustration and don't help for image with girls, even when they go for money, and easier when you are small rather than what I consider as normal, not elephant, but enough to be felt inside a belly, then have to be careful not to hurt because they would not repeat, when sometimes 3 rooms on same day, even needing a bit time to recover vagina, but repeating weekly for months, for real and best proof. I enjoy how girls look at the tool and when growing for them, with blood coming, and round eyes, some a bit scared, but I judge from how they hold my arms when I enter, opening them, really enjoyable moment when she looks at you and understand you are very careful for her, what they are not used to.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2516983]I remember when I played football, US soccer, when we took shower when we were around 15 with our body and mind changing and complex for many, when I was one of the less tall, but many faced the wall under shower, when we were all looking at each other and I didn't need to hide, so when I was not even the best player, nor the fastest runner, only the best stamina working for balance of our team, but boys made me captain for 2 years, decision coming from behavior under shower, from choice with their eyes. When I asked few who were my friends why they chose me, of course some were afraid to be, but they said: because You have the biggest.[/QUOTE]Wait wait wait. This dude right here is painting a scenario in which after a bunch of teenage boys shower together, whilst they check out each other's dongs, then pick the captain of the futball team based on his dick size?
Um, did anyone else think that's a fucked up school this dude went to? Explains a lot though. Did the coach shower with you guys too? Did you play hide the bratwurst when showering together?
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2517056]You also know? When was told by another one here. For sure, create big frustration and don't[/QUOTE]You and another man message each and talk about my dick? Super creepy dude, super creepy. I'm flattered but kind of sketched out by a man who checks out other dudes in the shower and text message other men about other dudes' dicks.
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[QUOTE=Chongmal;2517053]I can't keep doing it. Perhaps it will help if you study the early works of Tolkien. Skip the 15 variants of Elven languages and concentrate on Dwarvish and the language of the Oarcs.[/QUOTE]Remember in the movie when Bilbo Baggins turned Smeagol face? The resemblance is uncanny.
"My precious".
[URL]https://images.app.goo.gl/schboaWRhqSGK8AF7[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2517040]We should all tend to our mental health. My personal mental health nurse practitioner is a great guy. Perhaps you should try it. Might help resolve some of your personal deficiencies.[/QUOTE]My personal mental health practitioner is temporarily out of business. She is a great listener, normally not saying much. Mmmhmmm, mmmmmhmmm, that's 25 extra.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2516999]What we see today is that Bolsonaro and I got it right, the lockdowns didn't eradicate the virus and countries with lockdowns are worse off than Sweden.[/QUOTE]Especially the close ones.
Denmark, Norway, Finland, they're really doing worse!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2517040]We should all tend to our mental health. My personal mental health nurse practitioner is a great guy. Perhaps you should try it. Might help resolve some of your personal deficiencies.[/QUOTE]Says the mental patient! LMFAO!
Many on here seem to believe that your mental problems stems from you having a tiny Asian dick, but I'm not even sure that you're Asian given all the lies and dishonest behavior that you've mad yourself known for on here. Anyways, I hope you get the help that you need so your life get some meaning.
Why am I feeding the troll?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2517037]That's the most wit a sexagenarian can come up with?
7 decades of fatty deposits in penile vasculature reduces erection potential. So how much of your "former self" are you now? Bahahaha.[/QUOTE]I was joking! Obviously I don't know you but did I touch a nerve? If so, I'm sorry.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2517308]I was joking! Obviously I don't know you but did I touch a nerve? If so, I'm sorry.[/QUOTE]I always trust what people say when they are in the heart of the moment more than what they say when packaging it up in a more socially acceptable recreation.
But sentiment are noted.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2517132] I'm flattered but kind of sketched out by a man who checks out other dudes in the shower and text message other men about other dudes' dicks.[/QUOTE]The beginning of a new romance. Soon you'll eat pizzas covered with white pearls and eat sandwiches after midnight together. Or you'll lock yourselves in the bathroom for some steamy hot shower action. Who will drop the soap?
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[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2515385][URL]https://indica.medium.com/its-been-a-year-white-people-can-t-blame-china-anymore-878d9f2b4a34[/URL][/QUOTE]Is the higher number of deaths in the West indicative of a poor response? To the author, that would be a yes. However, it seems 20-40 percent of the West would disagree with the author. Throughout ten months of the pandemic, the approval rate for Trump's pandemic response among Republicans has held steady between 77-86 percent. Among Democrats 6-27 percent. Number of deaths and hospitalizations, second and third peaks, do not seem to make much difference in public opinion.
The author believes that the West continuing to blame China for their relatively "poor" response is evidence of racism. Perhaps amongst certain segments of the population in the West, it is driven by racism. Regarding the blame game, is it just far-right, populists who continue to blame China? Or is larger swaths of people in the West? Even if the latter, is it racism or are they just waging a propaganda war against a geopolitical rival? At the height of the Cold War, I do not believe the Western nations had much complimentary things to say about USSR and the USSR didn't have much complementary things to say about the West.
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[QUOTE=Chongmal;2517046]I have heard Europeans spout that the issue with immigrants from Asia is that they don't integrate but then they turn around and say we need to isolate them.[/QUOTE]Back in the mid-14th century, Jews were relatively spared from the ravages of Black Death. Europeans of that period made Jews the scapegoats for this plague and massacred them. Interestingly, cultural habits, geography, demographics, and hygiene also played a role in reducing spread of this infectious disease:
[QUOTE]There are many possible reasons why Jews were accused to be the cause for the plague. One reason was because there was a general sense of anti-Semitism in the 14th century. Jews were also isolated in the ghettos, which meant in some places that Jews were less affected. Additionally, there are many Jewish laws that promote cleanliness: a Jew must wash his or her hands before eating bread and after using the bathroom, it was customary for Jews to bathe once a week before the Sabbath, a corpse must be washed before burial, and so on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Jews_during_the_Black_Death.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Dr. Martin J. Blaser, a historian who is chairman of medicine at New York Universitys medical school, offers an intriguing hypothesis for why Jews became scapegoats in the Black Death: they were largely spared, in comparison with other groups, because grain was removed from their houses for Passover, discouraging the rats that spread the disease.
https://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/01/health/01plague.html.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Chongmal;2517046]Now, let's remind people that historically Europeans traveled to Asian. It wasn't the Chinese who arrived by shipboard on the shores of Italy[/QUOTE]Historically, most diseases originated in either Europe or Asia. Domestication of animals and agricultural advances resulted in the emergence of densely populated cities and villages. This human-to-animal contact created an environment for germs to jump from animal to human, mutate, and then transmit from human-to-human. To your point about shiploads of Europeans, well I would also add that Europeans have spread their fair share of disease to the rest of the world. Were these Europeans villains? I don't know. History shows that when populations grow, urban centers become more crowded and trading ports open (facilitating interaction), diseases and plagues emerge and spread more easily.
[QUOTE]In the later context of the European colonization of the Americas, 95% of the indigenous populations are believed to have been killed off by diseases brought by the Europeans. Many were killed by infectious diseases such as smallpox and measles. Similar circumstances were observed in Australia and South Africa. Aboriginal Australians and the Khoikhoi population were decimated by smallpox, measles, influenza and other diseases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns,_Germs,_and_Steel
[/QUOTE][QUOTE]In Uganda, shortly after the arrival of European colonists, there was an explosion of epidemics of hitherto unknown diseases of smallpox, plague, gonorrhoea and syphilis. Later measles, cholera and typhoid.
https://www.newvision.co.ug/news/1239715/colonial-masters-brought-infectitious-diseases-africa
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2517244]Especially the close ones.
Denmark, Norway, Finland, they're really doing worse![/QUOTE]Oh, I see that you're out cherry-picking again. Your speculations are nothing but speculations, looking at your posting history I would say that you're probably wrong again.
Both Brazil and Sweden have seen less Covid-19 related deaths than France despite their lockdown. You surely didn't learn anything from France's mistakes.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2517286]Says the mental patient! LMFAO!
Many on here seem to believe that your mental problems stems from you having a tiny Asian dick, but I'm not even sure that you're Asian given all the lies and dishonest behavior that you've mad yourself known for on here. Anyways, I hope you get the help that you need so your life get some meaning.
Why am I feeding the troll?[/QUOTE]So many here are so obsessed with my dick. #Flatterred.
I supposed I am a dick. But at least I ain't no asshole:
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2GwrR-4Q9E&list=FL0r7k72gkp9Oq5b-TLp0ZKg&index=453[/URL]
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2517393]Oh, I see that you're out cherry-picking again. Your speculations are nothing but speculations, looking at your posting history I would say that you're probably wrong again.
Both Brazil and Sweden have seen less Covid-19 related deaths than France despite their lockdown. You surely didn't learn anything from France's mistakes.[/QUOTE]That's called facts ShoeTroll. Look at this nice little chart (I know you don't like when you have to read papers past the title).
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-19..2020-12-31&country=SWE~NOR~FIN~DNK®ion=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc[/URL]
Between Norway and Sweden that's one to ten no?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2517398]So many here are so obsessed with my dick. #Flatterred.[/QUOTE]You should consider a menage a trois with WorthingVaginalBehavior and ShoeTroll.
You'll do a dick contest under the shower!
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2517393]Oh, I see that you're out cherry-picking again. Your speculations are nothing but speculations, looking at your posting history I would say that you're probably wrong again.
Both Brazil and Sweden have seen less Covid-19 related deaths than France despite their lockdown. You surely didn't learn anything from France's mistakes.[/QUOTE]Stop speaking out of your butt hole. Are these lies or just plain wrong? Hmmm.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2517375]To your point about shiploads of Europeans, well I would also add that Europeans have spread their fair share of disease to the rest of the world. Were these Europeans villains? I don't know[/QUOTE]Want to know who would know? North American Native Americans who received smallpox blankets. Aztecs of Mexico and Indigenous South Americans who succumbed to mumps, measles, influenza, typhus, typhoid, and probably yellow fever.
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I live in the US. Been to Oase many times. I was just curious the general situation in Germany. I'm guessing there hasn't been much of any discussion about when the FKKs can open again. Maybe sometime in late 2021 if the vaccine becomes effective?
What have most of the girls in the clubs done? Have they gone back home to Romania or remained in Germany and possibly escorting to make some money while the clubs are closed?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2517039]Perhaps the longest diatribe of bragging about one's own ding song in the history of mankind. Your prize is a cum drizzled pizza.
Looking at other dudes junk in the shower, strange hobby.[/QUOTE]In my opinion, I m about normal Caucasian size, even many girls tell: You are big and Ariana became suffering with my size before becoming crazy ready for anything with many, high risk girl, when never had any girlfriend telling me I was too big, but from what I see in brothels with so many really small and I remember our jokes with a NL GT every Saturday regular. Since football, when some tallest faced the wall, showing their ass, I m proud of fit firm not needing Viagra under shower and when I put off towel or robe in front of a girl, also not to be bald but beautiful hair girls like to touch and not fat which is not efficient for performance except sumo. Must be reason for real facts happening weekly.
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[QUOTE=BigBad;2517492]I live in the US. Been to Oase many times. I was just curious the general situation in Germany. I'm guessing there hasn't been much of any discussion about when the FKKs can open again. Maybe sometime in late 2021 if the vaccine becomes effective?
What have most of the girls in the clubs done? Have they gone back home to Romania or remained in Germany and possibly escorting to make some money while the clubs are closed?[/QUOTE]I guess the situation is different for each girl, may be let us put in some groups, one group of girls moved to other countries like Switzerland, or Spain, or England when travelling and working was still possible, another group went back to Rumania but I don t believe it is the majority just because when the girls go home usually they spend a lot of money for the family but this time they have no money. A third group is working as escort in Germany but all the girls are not able to do escort just because it is more stressing and risky than waiting of the monger in a secure place like FKK. Also there is the problem of where to escort, in hotels it is not possible more than several days because of the hotel management in apartments also very difficult because of the neighbours who are also at home due to home office work and for most of the girls is it impossible to rent a apartment under their own name therefor I believe they rent from some BF. I met many escorts in Germany, 0 Rumanian girl only German native some real students. The registered prostitutes paying taxes are getting financial support from the government and also some are taking German lessons and learning a job all this is paid buy the job centre.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2517132]Wait wait wait. This dude right here is painting a scenario in which after a bunch of teenage boys shower together, whilst they check out each other's dongs, then pick the captain of the futball team based on his dick size?
Um, did anyone else think that's a fucked up school this dude went to? Explains a lot though. Did the coach shower with you guys too? Did you play hide the bratwurst when showering together?
You and another man message each and talk about my dick? Super creepy dude, super creepy. I'm flattered but kind of sketched out by a man who checks out other dudes in the shower and text message other men about other dudes' dicks.[/QUOTE]But you are well known as a many profiles faker, like some others here, and also bullshiting specialists, kind of bald club with not best look, when nobody can say I'm a faker, when I don't hide, even under shower.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2517483]Stop speaking out of your butt hole. Are these lies or just plain wrong? Hmmm.[/QUOTE]Omfg, how fucking stupid are you? I was obviously referring to per capita.
Are you autistic?
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2517558]. Since football, when some tallest faced the wall, showing their ass, I m proud of fit firm not needing Viagra under shower and when I put off towel or robe in front of a girl, also not to be bald but beautiful hair girls like to touch and not fat which is not efficient for performance except sumo. Must be reason for real facts happening weekly.[/QUOTE]So you liked that? I mean other dudes in the shower presenting their asses to you? Do you prefer the ones who shave their asses or do you prefer the unshaven, "au naturale" man ass? Strange.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2517449]That's called facts ShoeTroll. Look at this nice little chart (I know you don't like when you have to read papers past the title).
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-19..2020-12-31&country=SWE~NOR~FIN~DNK®ion=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc[/URL]
Between Norway and Sweden that's one to ten no?[/QUOTE]Could you look at the difference between France and Sweden? Or is that too complicated for you?
If you had any intelligence whatsoever you would have realized how ridiculous and irrelevant your cherry-picking is.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2517452]You should consider a menage a trois with WorthingVaginalBehavior and ShoeTroll.
You'll do a dick contest under the shower![/QUOTE]Highly disturbing that your obsession of me turned sexual.
You're not only a pathetic troll, you're also a coward. I guess I shouldn't be surprised given the history and reputation of France.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2517584]But you are well known as a many profiles faker, like some others here, and also bullshiting specialists, kind of bald club with not best look, when nobody can say I'm a faker, when I don't hide, even under shower.[/QUOTE]I noticed that when I teach students and they don't know the answer, they just start rambling about something off topic, never really answering the question.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2517452]You should consider a menage a trois with WorthingVaginalBehavior and ShoeTroll.
You'll do a dick contest under the shower![/QUOTE]Let's be honest here. Even if I could be gay, I'm out of their league.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2517631]Omfg, how fucking stupid are you? I was obviously referring to per capita.
Are you autistic?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ShooBree;2517393]Both Brazil and Sweden have seen less Covid-19 related deaths than France despite their lockdown. You surely didn't learn anything from France's mistakes.[/QUOTE]Then work on your writing skills.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2517633]Could you look at the difference between France and Sweden? Or is that too complicated for you?
If you had any intelligence whatsoever you would have realized how ridiculous and irrelevant your cherry-picking is.[/QUOTE]One day I'll try to teach you how to make a comparison if you want it to be relevant. I'd like also to teach you good manners but I think it's a lost cause.
Have you ever heard of something like 'all other things considered equal'? You want to judge the efficiency of a lockdown, you compare two countries with similar characteristics, one with a lockdown and one without. I don't think they teach you this in your far right wing white supremacist holiday camp, they rather have chapters on 'how to be a stupid bully' and 'how to change the subject with some insults when you realize that you are totally wrong'.
Ask them next time to teach you how to read an article past the title, like the one about the Spanish flu in which a 14 yo school boy could understand that finally, we have no idea where it came from.
I know the lancet is a little bit out of your league but try again this one:
[URL]https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736[/URL](20) 32750-1/ fulltext.
Don't stop at the title, you would understand it's a new book by Michael Connelly.
Then skip to this one:
[URL]https://theconversation.com/achieving-covid-19-herd-immunity-through-infection-is-dangerous-deadly-and-might-not-even-work-148769[/URL]
It's about the herd immunity you were so proud of this summer.
That's funny but we never heard you again opening your big mouth about it since a few months.
And look, finally your government grew a pair of balls and is ready to enforce a real lockdown, not the half ass partial lockdowns that are totally inefficient.
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL8N2J8194[/URL]
I also read in the famous newspaper 'LE monde' (not the stupid Christian bigot website that you're quoting in the other thread) that there was now some kind of corona shame from the inhabitants from your wonderful country because you have 8 to 10 times more deaths than your neighbours. Now they don't want you to enter their country!
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Yes. Very important website: this here is my current most favourite web page: [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccination-doses-per-capita?tab=chart&stackMode=absolute&time=latest®ion=World[/URL].
I am guessing that with the new corona-mutation which is significantly more infectious, red-light will be banned in Germany and many other places until Germany has a 60 or 65 instead of a 0. 2 (% of vaccinated persons).
And I am guessing that belgians and NL and french have to show similar numbers if they want to acquire entrance.
Check out Israel as a role model here, BTW. And I am totally missing France!?
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2517449]That's called facts ShoeTroll. Look at this nice little chart (I know you don't like when you have to read papers past the title).
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-19..2020-12-31&country=SWE~NOR~FIN~DNK®ion=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc[/URL]
Between Norway and Sweden that's one to ten no?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2517684]Yes. Very important website: this here is my current most favourite web page: [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-vaccination-doses-per-capita?tab=chart&stackMode=absolute&time=latest®ion=World[/URL].
I am guessing that with the new corona-mutation which is significantly more infectious, red-light will be banned in Germany and many other places until Germany has a 60 or 65 instead of a 0. 2 (% of vaccinated persons).
And I am guessing that belgians and NL and french have to show similar numbers if they want to acquire entrance.
Check out Israel as a role model here, BTW. And I am totally missing France!?[/QUOTE]In your statement you assume that the vaccine is efficient, for me the vaccine will be as efficient as the flue one, we all know a lot of people getting the flue vaccine but already catching the flue. Is the vaccine efficient against the new variant, probably not more than 50%. Just advice you to have a look back to March 2020, all the statements or promises from the politicians, so on doctors. Today 360000 deaths in the US, most of the countries in quarantine, covid stronger than never. Do you still believe the vaccine is efficient?
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2517348] West continuing to blame China for their relatively "poor" response is evidence of racism. Perhaps amongst certain segments of the population in the West, it is driven by racism. Regarding the blame game, is it just far-right, populists who continue to blame China? Or is larger swaths of people in the West? Even if the latter, is it racism or are they just waging a propaganda war against a geopolitical rival? At the height of the Cold War, I do not believe the Western nations had much complimentary things to say about USSR and the USSR didn't have much complementary things to say about the West.[/QUOTE]I believe that it is laced with fear. Perhaps the person at the top is not afraid, or perhaps they are. The reality is how do you generate a mob backing. Fear is one of the most powerful tools available. This is evident through history. The bad guy is coming. The will rape, pillage and plunder. Violent crime will increase if we allow them in. They will try to overthrow our beliefs and our civilization. I remember as a child when we had afraid drills during school. Funny thing, later in life I spoke with people my age on the other side. They also recalled air raid drills for when we attacked them. Neither of us had any personal dealings with each other but we had been taught to fear each other.
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Unfortunately the beginning of the campaign has been delayed because as usual it's a mess.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2517636]Highly disturbing that your obsession of me turned sexual.
You're not only a pathetic troll, you're also a coward. I guess I shouldn't be surprised given the history and reputation of France.[/QUOTE]Shoe, easy on the insults bro. This is just a sex forum, for the purpose of finding ladies for the purpose of sex. Honestly, pay sex in formal establishments won't resume in Europe until enough of the population has some immunities and death rates go down. What Sweden did was bold. It could prove to be genius or the ultimate mistake. We won't know until real herd immunity is in effect. Remember, keep the shoes on the proper feet. Left is left and right is right!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2517645]Then work on your writing skills.[/QUOTE]The problem is your lack of intelligence. I'm not used to communicating with people suffering from Asperger's.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2517659]One day I'll try to teach you how to make a comparison if you want it to be relevant. I'd like also to teach you good manners but I think it's a lost cause.
Have you ever heard of something like 'all other things considered equal'? You want to judge the efficiency of a lockdown, you compare two countries with similar characteristics, one with a lockdown and one without. I don't think they teach you this in your far right wing white supremacist holiday camp, they rather have chapters on 'how to be a stupid bully' and 'how to change the subject with some insults when you realize that you are totally wrong'.
Ask them next time to teach you how to read an article past the title, like the one about the Spanish flu in which a 14 yo school boy could understand that finally, we have no idea where it came from.
I know the lancet is a little bit out of your league but try again this one:
[URL]https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736[/URL](20) 32750-1/ fulltext.
Don't stop at the title, you would understand it's a new book by Michael Connelly.
Then skip to this one:
[URL]https://theconversation.com/achieving-covid-19-herd-immunity-through-infection-is-dangerous-deadly-and-might-not-even-work-148769[/URL]
It's about the herd immunity you were so proud of this summer.
That's funny but we never heard you again opening your big mouth about it since a few months.
And look, finally your government grew a pair of balls and is ready to enforce a real lockdown, not the half ass partial lockdowns that are totally inefficient.
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL8N2J8194[/URL]
I also read in the famous newspaper 'LE monde' (not the stupid Christian bigot website that you're quoting in the other thread) that there was now some kind of corona shame from the inhabitants from your wonderful country because you have 8 to 10 times more deaths than your neighbours. Now they don't want you to enter their country![/QUOTE]Maybe you could start with teaching yourself to not lie or being a pathetic troll? So many things you need to teach yourself before you get any ideas of "teaching" me anything. You could teach yourself to stop it with your childish ad hominem attacks.
It's funny to see your moronic guesses when we have the facts on the table, the lockdowns failed. Sweden luckily made much better decisions and managed to have even less Covid-19 related deaths / capita (have to write per capita or the autistic Mursenary will get confused) than Switzerland, the best country in Europe.
You have a lot to explain for your wild guesses to become even remotely relevant, several neighbors have seen different results with on the surface similar tactics.
Spain vs Portugal.
Iran vs Saudi.
Belgium vs Netherlands.
Just to get the facts straight, Sweden banned Danes from entering the country.
[URL]https://www.thelocal.se/20201221/sweden-blocks-travel-from-denmark-over-virus-fears[/URL]
You're a typical Frenchman, an arrogant moron.
According to many experts the Spanish flu came from China, but you claim to know better. You're so incredibly arrogant and full of yourself for no good reason.
You've been wrong the entire time, you even confused billions with millions. For real? Are you a kindergartner? I'm laughing at you and your stupidity. You still haven't understood that there are more factors in play than just the number of deaths. Especially considering that it's a relatively mild virus which almost only kills the weak and old. I've no desire to quarantine for a virus that can't hurt me. Children needs to go to school and get an proper education, we don't want to end up like France. Grown ups needs to make a living and have a job to go to. It wouldn't be fair to sacrifice them for a small minority that would die sooner rather than later anyways. There are no easy decisions but you've clearly shown that you're not capable of seeing the full picture. You're still inside the box.
It's been a great year for the Swedish currency, it's still weak but thanks to the moronic leaders in other countries our currency appreciated against most currencies.
Well, we will see what's happened, but according to you Sweden has a lockdown since we closed the museums.
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[QUOTE=Chongmal;2517729]Shoe, easy on the insults bro. This is just a sex forum, for the purpose of finding ladies for the purpose of sex. Honestly, pay sex in formal establishments won't resume in Europe until enough of the population has some immunities and death rates go down. What Sweden did was bold. It could prove to be genius or the ultimate mistake. We won't know until real herd immunity is in effect. Remember, keep the shoes on the proper feet. Left is left and right is right![/QUOTE]Treat me with respect and I will treat you with respect. Treat me with disrespect and that's what you get back. I'm not Jesus, I don't turn the other cheek.
When it comes down to it all I think that the right thing was done for all the wrong reasons. The government thought it was easier to let the epidemiologist make the decisions, for them it was a way to avoid accountability. The leading epidemiologist said several incorrect things that the public laughed at. But it was also tough situation, planes full of people came from the Alps and Iran. At that time Iran and the Alps were two of the worst affected countries / regions.
I've been enjoying some Thai chicks here in Sweden, the quality isn't too bad in our AMPS, and there's a lot of them where I live.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2517759]The problem is your lack of intelligence. I'm not used to communicating with people suffering from Asperger's.[/QUOTE]Ugh, boring, tedious, fruitless, lack of entertainment value and originality. Do you have any wit or comedic value to contribute?
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2517691]In your statement you assume that the vaccine is efficient, for me the vaccine will be as efficient as the flue one, we all know a lot of people getting the flue vaccine but already catching the flue. Is the vaccine efficient against the new variant, probably not more than 50%. Just advice you to have a look back to March 2020, all the statements or promises from the politicians, so on doctors. Today 360000 deaths in the US, most of the countries in quarantine, covid stronger than never. Do you still believe the vaccine is efficient?[/QUOTE]Only 5% of the population in the US has received the vaccine. This assertion of vaccine efficiency (sic) regarding "new" strain is against all predictions by anyone with actual credentials. I'd expect this type of baselessness from Shoe or Gino but a retiree should have the years and wisdom to know better.
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[QUOTE=Chongmal;2517729]Shoe, easy on the insults bro. This is just a sex forum, for the purpose of finding ladies for the purpose of sex.[/QUOTE]LOL, that's all he's capable of, brut insults. Forget substance of the posts. Even the insults, they're never clever. No wit. No subtlety. No elegance in prose. It all suggests a person lacking both depth and breadth.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2517815]Ugh, boring, tedious, fruitless, lack of entertainment value and originality. Do you have any wit or comedic value to contribute?[/QUOTE]I'm just being honest, you should try it sometime. You're not funny and you're certainly not honest.
You're a disgusting troll.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2517847]LOL, that's all he's capable of, brut insults. Forget substance of the posts. Even the insults, they're never clever. No wit. No subtlety. No elegance in prose. It all suggests a person lacking both depth and breadth.[/QUOTE]You're not funny, honest nor are you intelligent. You're just a lousy hypocrite. I laugh at you because you're so incredibly stupid, I loath you because you're a liar and your ad hominem attacks only confirms how immature you are without any sense of humor whatsoever.
The worst part about you would be that you're a coward, and not your stupidity, hypocrisy, immaturity or dishonesty.
You would never dare to say a word to my face, you're such a coward.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2517817]Only 5% of the population in the US has received the vaccine. This assertion of vaccine efficiency (sic) regarding "new" strain is against all predictions by anyone with actual credentials. I'd expect this type of baselessness from Shoe or Gino but a retiree should have the years and wisdom to know better.[/QUOTE]You really should see a professional since your obsession with me is not normal.
It's probably because you're suffering from Aspergers and don't have any life of your own.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2517962]I'm just being honest, you should try it sometime. You're not funny and you're certainly not honest.
You're a disgusting troll.[/QUOTE]Opinion of the lowest class noted. Now move along.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2517847]LOL, that's all he's capable of, brut insults. Forget substance of the posts. Even the insults, they're never clever. No wit. No subtlety. No elegance in prose. It all suggests a person lacking both depth and breadth.[/QUOTE]Don't you get it? The message was aimed at you.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2517786]Treat me with respect and I will treat you with respect. Treat me with disrespect and that's what you get back.[/QUOTE]Then you respect when 50 billion Asians and 65.7 million French -1 respond to you with insults to you. Ok amazing. Of course, what do they know, right. I am guessing some know what Aspergers is though. Although it might be more difficult to recognize in Sweden. Google the symptoms. Zit will be clear. Perhaps Sweden has achieved herd immunity for Aspergers and is using it as a model for COVID.
There used to be a puppeteer in the LR. One of the most amazing shows ever played. Pulling the strings, summoning the wee folk from across the land. A new fair maiden was found. Little did the wee folk know that the puppeteer was also pulling the strings of the fair maiden. It should have been clear during foreplay and was nearly discovered while on a picnic eating sandwiches. Then the new temptress was brought in. She was known as Black Velvet. I true snake charmer but this day the puppet master had different plans. Agitate the snake, poke it, taunt it and see if it will strike in anger. Obviously it made an impression because the wee folk still tell stories about the day Black Velvet came and wouldn't leave the snake alone. It wasn't until the puppeteer brought out the tallest marionette with the shortest strings that the wee folk truly lost control. Smoke was billowing, flames were on the floor. The tallest mariannette was near the entrance and the wee folk was summoned my Bowser. The wee folk demanded the tallest mariannette be sent away but Bowser refused. The decision was made, the wee folk would implement self exile. Even when he came to bid the fair maiden goodbye, and found her and the entire cast sitting beside the puppet master, he declared his heartbreak and announced his exile. The puppet master celebrated with the cast. The story is famous. The wee folk still talk about lost love, the towering marionette. The rest who witnessed it speak about the inferno, the jilted wee folk, the first of multiple exiles, and the kick ass after party enjoyed most by the puppeteer.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2515410]The strain of CV19 that entered the USA did not come directly from China but via Western Europe. To implement the travel ban you are speaking of, a hundred plus countries would need to collectively sign off and ban East Asians from entering. This would effectively establish two travel corridors. Every country in the world would be forced to pick a side or decide which travel corridor they want to belong to. If India chooses to allow Chinese to enter India (or Indians to travel to China), then no Indians would be allowed to enter USA or Western Europe. And nobody from USA or Western Europe would be allowed to enter India.
The problem is there are millions of non-Asians living, studying, and working in East Asia. And there are millions of East-Asians living, studying, and working in Europe. Would these people be banned from visiting family in their home countries? Or would they be forced to enter a 30-day quarantine at both ends of travel?
I could imagine Westerners, even the ones with no social, business, or romantic connections to East Asia protesting about the loss of their individual rights and freedom of movement. "If I want to travel to China and risk being infected by some yet to be discovered pathogen, I should be allowed to do so!" And the sexpats in the Thai forums would definitely align with that cause.[/QUOTE]I'm not much interested by China nor Asia, but I'm pretty sure not far from 90% of so many Chinese are kind of victims of their lying government, so many being scared of their government, so I don't see why banning victims who can t get the truth in their own country, just have to protect when risky, when I think really good point to get rid of racist Trump who gave a so bad and scary image of US, from all his bullshits not only about covid but black murders, making US ridiculous in front of the world.
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Not much more left to just believe what scientists say: That Moderna and Pfizer / Biontech vaccines are about 95% effective and it will (most likely) include current mutations. And they are already tracking those mutations and trying to adjust their vaccines.
BTW: 95% is a lot better then the flu vaccines. And it is touted as a miracle. But there are other such miracles - e.g. my 10inch-tablet never ceases to amaze me and it is a miracle too imo.
If i dont believe in that, i get even more depressed.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2517691]In your statement you assume that the vaccine is efficient, for me the vaccine will be as efficient as the flue one, we all know a lot of people getting the flue vaccine but already catching the flue. Is the vaccine efficient against the new variant, probably not more than 50%. Just advice you to have a look back to March 2020, all the statements or promises from the politicians, so on doctors. Today 360000 deaths in the US, most of the countries in quarantine, covid stronger than never. Do you still believe the vaccine is efficient?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2518073]Not much more left to just believe what scientists say: That Moderna and Pfizer / Biontech vaccines are about 95% effective and it will (most likely) include current mutations. And they are already tracking those mutations and trying to adjust their vaccines.
BTW: 95% is a lot better then the flu vaccines. And it is touted as a miracle. But there are other such miracles - e.g. my 10inch-tablet never ceases to amaze me and it is a miracle too imo.
If i dont believe in that, i get even more depressed.[/QUOTE]Since the beginning of the pandemic we faced so much manipulations, first time we are getting a RNA vaccine, I will not take it for sure, the vaccine are very efficient 95% let wait a little bit to see the real efficiency, Pfister or Moderna will not tell a low efficiency, if they are so sure about their vaccine why in their contracts with the European countries they include that they are not responsible for the side effects of the vaccine, believe me stay far from this vaccine and protect yourself and wait few months.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2517993]Don't you get it? The message was aimed at you.[/QUOTE]Apparently I'm not so sure. Pretty sure Chongmai says very little to me. Shoe, well he obviously flames me constantly.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2517817]Only 5% of the population in the US has received the vaccine. This assertion of vaccine efficiency (sic) regarding "new" strain is against all predictions by anyone with actual credentials. I'd expect this type of baselessness from Shoe or Gino but a retiree should have the years and wisdom to know better.[/QUOTE]Which medicine are you taking? It seems very strong, 5% of the US got the vaccine? When end of March or April perhaps.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2517786] The government thought it was easier to let the epidemiologist make the decisions, for them it was a way to avoid accountability. [b]The leading epidemiologist[/b] said several incorrect things that the public laughed at. [/QUOTE]This guy?
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2474792] It's a big win for the country and the Swedish people. We Swedes are extremely fortunate and happy to have been guided through this mess by [b]a man like Tegnell[/b].
[/QUOTE]Guess the honeymoon is over.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2474792]People have died in Denmark, Norway and Finland as well. They are seeing new outbreaks while in Sweden the number of deaths are going down, down, down. [b]Soon to be 0 a day[/b]. Herd immunity is a beautiful thing.[/QUOTE]Yes, when half of the population will be dead. And I think you're confusing "down" with "up". How is the herd immunity going these days? 4 months after you beat the virus?
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2474792]The number of daily deaths in Sweden are close to zero, we had an excellent and scientific approach to this virus. [b]It's rather obvious that we're getting close to herd immunity in Sweden. We've beaten the virus[/b]. Lockdowns are not working. Less than 5800 deaths in a country with over 10 million inhabitants, that's a low price to pay. Especially considering that those 5774 persons wouldn't have lived much longer anyway. [b]Survival of the fittest and Herd Immunity for the Win![/b]
....blablabla....
You need to stop lying. If reality is contradicting your opinions, then maybe you should reconsider your opinions. [b]For each death 200 people have lost their jobs[/b]. [/QUOTE]Ok. So:
1 - More than 1.7 millions of people lost their job in Sweden, that's a lot. And in France, around 13 millions! Woah!
2 - Why is your government sending its people to the slaughter since more deaths equal more jobs lost?
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2516993]That sounds more like something you, big troll, would do. "Mursenary" is known for creating new accounts for himself.[/QUOTE]And Elvis 2008? He sounds a lot like you!
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2516823]So in other words you claim that Bidtroll was incorrect when he claimed that the flu came from USA? Good to know that you don't agree with him.[/QUOTE]No in other words he said that you can't understand a simple sentence in an article you're quoting. And if I am the guy known as Bidtroll (or maybe it's Joe Biden), you can't understand my sentences as well because I never said that the flu came from the USA. And I don't think Joe Biden did either.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2517993]Don't you get it? The message was aimed at you.[/QUOTE]Oops sorry! I confused you with shooTroll!
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[QUOTE=Chongmal;2518019]Then you respect when 50 billion Asians and 65.7 million French -1 respond to you with insults to you. Ok amazing. Of course, what do they know, right. I am guessing some know what Aspergers is though. Although it might be more difficult to recognize in Sweden. Google the symptoms. Zit will be clear. Perhaps Sweden has achieved herd immunity for Aspergers and is using it as a model for COVID.
There used to be a puppeteer in the LR. One of the most amazing shows ever played. Pulling the strings, summoning the wee folk from across the land. A new fair maiden was found. Little did the wee folk know that the puppeteer was also pulling the strings of the fair maiden. It should have been clear during foreplay and was nearly discovered while on a picnic eating sandwiches. Then the new temptress was brought in. She was known as Black Velvet. I true snake charmer but this day the puppet master had different plans. Agitate the snake, poke it, taunt it and see if it will strike in anger. Obviously it made an impression because the wee folk still tell stories about the day Black Velvet came and wouldn't leave the snake alone. It wasn't until the puppeteer brought out the tallest marionette with the shortest strings that the wee folk truly lost control. Smoke was billowing, flames were on the floor. The tallest mariannette was near the entrance and the wee folk was summoned my Bowser. The wee folk demanded the tallest mariannette be sent away but Bowser refused. The decision was made, the wee folk would implement self exile. Even when he came to bid the fair maiden goodbye, and found her and the entire cast sitting beside the puppet master, he declared his heartbreak and announced his exile. The puppet master celebrated with the cast. The story is famous. The wee folk still talk about lost love, the towering marionette. The rest who witnessed it speak about the inferno, the jilted wee folk, the first of multiple exiles, and the kick ass after party enjoyed most by the puppeteer.[/QUOTE]You seem to be confused. "50 billion Asians" sounds like a lot. LMFAO!
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2518085]Which medicine are you taking? It seems very strong, 5% of the US got the vaccine? When end of March or April perhaps.[/QUOTE]Excuse me. The post should have said less than 5%. Point is, you are juxtaposing vaccine efficacy with current prevalence when it has not even reached anywhere near critical mass (number). That's a very misleading argument.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2518117]Oops sorry! I confused you with shooTroll![/QUOTE]OMG, you're so incompetent. You commit mistake after mistake. You're a living example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Otherwise you would have been too embarrassed to make another post on here.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2518117]Oops sorry! I confused you with shooTroll![/QUOTE]Ouch bro, ouch. If I was being confused with him, that's a reality check on me, LOL.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2518087]This guy?
Guess the honeymoon is over.
Yes, when half of the population will be dead. And I think you're confusing "down" with "up". How is the herd immunity going these days? 4 months after you beat the virus?
Ok. So:
1 - More than 1.7 millions of people lost their job in Sweden, that's a lot. And in France, around 13 millions! Woah!
2 - Why is your government sending its people to the slaughter since more deaths equal more jobs lost?[/QUOTE]1. I was obviously referring to USA, you really need to improve your reading comprehension.
2. Your question makes no sense, maybe you should learn English first? You sound like Sirioja.
Why is the French government destroying the labor market? Why are they taking away the opportunity for children to get a proper education? Why are they forcing businesses into bankruptcy? Why do they send people to slaughter? They send people to slaughter in a higher pace than Sweden and Brazil.
You are too unintelligent to understand that there are several different factors to take into account. When you become an adult you may understand that.
It is fascinating how obsessed with me you are, you should go see a professional psychologist.
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[QUOTE=Chongmal;2518019]Then you respect when 50 billion Asians and 65.7 million French -1 respond to you with insults to you. Ok amazing. Of course, what do they know, right. I am guessing some know what Aspergers is though. Although it might be more difficult to recognize in Sweden. Google the symptoms. Zit will be clear. Perhaps Sweden has achieved herd immunity for Aspergers and is using it as a model for COVID.
[/QUOTE]Stay away from this one bud, he's not worth your time. It's too late for me. But save yourself!
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2518087]Yes, when half of the population will be dead. And I think you're confusing "down" with "up". How is the herd immunity going these days? 4 months after you beat the virus?
[/QUOTE]Hahah, you are obviously out of touch with reality. COVID-19 could never kill half the population. From where do you get these moronic ideas?
COVID-19 can only kill the old and weak. It's no worse than a cold for most people.
Get your facts right.
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I think you have a point. But we will inevitably wait a few months here in Europe. Because those stupid politicians ordered far too few shots. So I guess before it is my turn, already 50 million folks will have gotten their shots. And a few months have passed.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2518081]Since the beginning of the pandemic we faced so much manipulations, first time we are getting a RNA vaccine, I will not take it for sure, the vaccine are very efficient 95% let wait a little bit to see the real efficiency, Pfister or Moderna will not tell a low efficiency, if they are so sure about their vaccine why in their contracts with the European countries they include that they are not responsible for the side effects of the vaccine, believe me stay far from this vaccine and protect yourself and wait few months.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2518160]Hahah, you are obviously out of touch with reality. COVID-19 could never kill half the population. From where do you get these moronic ideas?
COVID-19 can only kill the old and weak. It's no worse than a cold for most people.
Get your facts right.[/QUOTE]Listen, ever thought that the old and "weak" are some of the most important contributors to society? Fuck man, half of the world leaders and CEOs are old. Professors teaching generations of young minds are fucking old. Master mechanics and engineers are fucking old. The mother fucking grandfathers of computer science are fucking old. Grandmothers who take care of their grandkids are old. Lots of these old people are pretty fucking important and we actually need them to function as a society.
So stop being a douche and perhaps recognize that letting a lot of significant people die because you don't value their importance is an asshole move.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2518138]1. I was obviously referring to USA, you really need to improve your reading comprehension..[/QUOTE]OK ShoeTroll. 350 000 deaths in USA, so 70 millions people lost their job. Quite a lot given the fact that there are something like 160 millions people in the labor market of the USA.
How was the breakup with the doc? Not too painful? And can we have an update on the herd immunity situation in Sweden please?
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Timing of a trip to Germany
Am currently making travel plans for 2021 while flights are cheap and refundable.
Right now, I have a trip planned to Germany for end Sep 2021 (plus Barcelona for Nov 2021).
What's the current consensus on.
1) Will FKKs be open again by Sep 2021 and how full would he.
2) Will the full menu of services be available even if they are open (esp BBBJ and DFK).
3) Any regional differences (right now planning on visiting Berlin and FRA for FKK (plus Munich for drinking but probably not FKK).
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One member is calling another member here essentially "moronic". And I find this highly disturbing. It is not OK.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2518160]Hahah, you are obviously out of touch with reality. COVID-19 could never kill half the population. From where do you get these moronic ideas?
COVID-19 can only kill the old and weak. It's no worse than a cold for most people.
Get your facts right.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=TimTheoDuncan;2518428]Am currently making travel plans for 2021 while flights are cheap and refundable.
Right now, I have a trip planned to Germany for end Sep 2021 (plus Barcelona for Nov 2021).
What's the current consensus on.
1) Will FKKs be open again by Sep 2021 and how full would he.
2) Will the full menu of services be available even if they are open (esp BBBJ and DFK).
3) Any regional differences (right now planning on visiting Berlin and FRA for FKK (plus Munich for drinking but probably not FKK).[/QUOTE]Everything is in flux. I say it will depend on the effectiveness of the vaccines, the virus' ability to mutate, what way the wind blows. The good point is flights are cheap and refundable.
As far as services go, some ladies will always offer everything you are willing to pay for. You will probably hear things like, I have had the virus 3 times now so I'm not worried. The same card plays for men. Personally, I'd book the tickets and smash the piggy bank before getting on the plane.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2518275]Listen, ever thought that the old and "weak" are some of the most important contributors to society? Fuck man, half of the world leaders and CEOs are old. Professors teaching generations of young minds are fucking old. Master mechanics and engineers are fucking old. The mother fucking grandfathers of computer science are fucking old. Grandmothers who take care of their grandkids are old. Lots of these old people are pretty fucking important and we actually need them to function as a society.[/QUOTE]Physicians are also not that young of a population:
[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/415961/share-of-age-among-us-physicians/[/URL]
[URL]https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Healthcare_personnel_statistics_-_physicians[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Chongmal;2517705]I believe that it is laced with fear. Perhaps the person at the top is not afraid, or perhaps they are. The reality is how do you generate a mob backing. Fear is one of the most powerful tools available. This is evident through history. The bad guy is coming. The will rape, pillage and plunder. Violent crime will increase if we allow them in. They will try to overthrow our beliefs and our civilization.[/QUOTE]Scary headlines, get more clicks. Not saying that CV19 is all media hype, but "record number deaths" in the headline will get more clicks. If people are angry or scared, it will compel them to stay on the website longer. When the trolls on the far-left and far-right insult each other in the comments section and share the article with people in their respective echo chambers, they are spending more time online. This increase in engagement lines the pockets of the advertisers. Enemies can include but are not limited to: Muslims, feminists, gays, Mexicans, BLM protesters, libtards, Proud Boys, CCP.
[QUOTE=Chongmal;2517705]I remember as a child when we had afraid drills during school. Funny thing, later in life I spoke with people my age on the other side. They also recalled air raid drills for when we attacked them. Neither of us had any personal dealings with each other but we had been taught to fear each other.[/QUOTE]I would say all global powers engage in disinformation campaigns. If Russian or CCP bots can deepen the cultural divides and erode the trust Americans have in their own institutions, then they are winning the information war and achieving their strategic political objectives without firing a shot. Even Trump has tweeted Sun Tzu's The Art of War: "The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. " Pompeo, once jokingly said: "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole. It's it was like we had entire training courses". Just like Xi or Putin, USA's leaders have a duty to advance the interests of its citizens.
[QUOTE]During the Cold War, America's leaders saw nothing wrong with electoral interference, so long as the United States was conducting it. Dov Levin, a postdoctoral fellow at the Institute for Politics and Strategy at Carnegie Mellon University, has identified 62 American interventions in foreign elections between 1946 and 1989. The large majority like Russia's in 2016 were conducted in secret. And, overall, Americas favored candidates were no more committed to liberal democracy than their opponents; they simply appeared friendlier to American interests.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/07/the-us-has-a-long-history-of-election-meddling/565538/.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2518338]OK ShoeTroll. 350 000 deaths in USA, so 70 millions people lost their job. Quite a lot given the fact that there are something like 160 millions people in the labor market of the USA.
How was the breakup with the doc? Not too painful? And can we have an update on the herd immunity situation in Sweden please?[/QUOTE]It's just a rhetorical question since I already know the answer.
At the time of my post 200 k had died and 40 million Americans had lost their jobs.
Why are you so dishonest? Is it because you know that I'm right and you're wrong?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2518275]Listen, ever thought that the old and "weak" are some of the most important contributors to society? Fuck man, half of the world leaders and CEOs are old. Professors teaching generations of young minds are fucking old. Master mechanics and engineers are fucking old. The mother fucking grandfathers of computer science are fucking old. Grandmothers who take care of their grandkids are old. Lots of these old people are pretty fucking important and we actually need them to function as a society.
So stop being a douche and perhaps recognize that letting a lot of significant people die because you don't value their importance is an asshole move.[/QUOTE]You never heard of self-isolating? That's what they should do.
Most of those that dies only have themselves to blame. The rest are so old and weak that they can't even self-isolate.
Asking young people to sacrifice their future for a vegetable or rule-breaker is an asshole move.
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2518456]One member is calling another member here essentially "moronic". And I find this highly disturbing. It is not OK.[/QUOTE]But it's not one, it's at least two members on here calling another member bad words. Can you tell the two of them to stop?
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1) yes, by Sep 2021 a good number of FKKs will be open. I guess two major lock-downs bankrupted 20-50% of the sector, though. So watch ISG to see where most of the action is.
2) like Chongmal said.
3) I'd suggest NRW (LR, GT, Penelope, Samya, some RLDs, etc) - but everyone has their own preferences.
[QUOTE=TimTheoDuncan;2518428]Am currently making travel plans for 2021 while flights are cheap and refundable.
Right now, I have a trip planned to Germany for end Sep 2021 (plus Barcelona for Nov 2021).
What's the current consensus on.
1) Will FKKs be open again by Sep 2021 and how full would he.
2) Will the full menu of services be available even if they are open (esp BBBJ and DFK).
3) Any regional differences (right now planning on visiting Berlin and FRA for FKK (plus Munich for drinking but probably not FKK).[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Chongmal;2518019]Then the new temptress was brought in. She was known as Black Velvet. I true snake charmer but this day the puppet master had different plans. Agitate the snake, poke it, taunt it and see if it will strike in anger. Obviously it made an impression because the wee folk still tell stories about the day Black Velvet came and wouldn't leave the snake alone.[/QUOTE]Due to multiple requests I will disclose the identity of one of the actors. Black Velvet is Mickey. She was often seen dancing to the song Black Velvet by Alannah Myles. Yes, all character are based on real people and the events described reflect real situations that happened.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2518537]You never heard of self-isolating? That's what they should do.
Most of those that dies only have themselves to blame. The rest are so old and weak that they can't even self-isolate.
Asking young people to sacrifice their future for a vegetable or rule-breaker is an asshole move.[/QUOTE]First casting off the old and people you consider weak (how does one define weak anyway?) Now we're blaming them for breaking the rules as if a huge percentage of cases were not transmitted by a loved one in the very same household. Or perhaps if people were not misinformed by the very politicians you admire, the rules would have been taken more seriously.
I wonder how one would define weak? Someone having a chronic medical condition? Well, nearly half of all adults over 15 have at least one chronic medical condition and over 25% have multiple. From the population I see in FKK clubs, I can eyeball the number of people having at least one chronic condition to be north of 75%, easily over. My FKK crew's average age is probably under 45 and everyone of them has at least one medical condition, diagnosed or not. So there's a damn good chance that anyone reading this very post may be considered "weak. ".
[URL]https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/5101558b-en/index.html?itemId=/content/component/5101558b-en[/URL]
Let me compare that to my current patient load in my ICU. Oh look, over 1/3 are <=50 and over 1/2 are <=65. Guess what, those hospitalization rates align perfectly with comorbidity prevalence as we age.
Now unless you want to actually be a positive voice and actually contribute real knowledge, would you please just go yell in some extremist echo chamber. Your malicious statements do nothing to help the public at large.
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2518640]1) yes, by Sep 2021 a good number of FKKs will be open. I guess two major lock-downs bankrupted 20-50% of the sector, though. So watch ISG to see where most of the action is.
2) like Chongmal said.
3) I'd suggest NRW (LR, GT, Penelope, Samya, some RLDs, etc) - but everyone has their own preferences.[/QUOTE]Sorry but this is only a wish, if in October I had told you that there will be a new variant and that the UK will lock down the 5 January you will tell me I am negative. In fact the pandemic is completely out of control in most of the countries, probably the vaccine will not bring the expected level of protection and this time the different governments will be very careful about the return to normal life. Prostitution is not a priority, what will be the FKK scene after the pandemic nobody knows, probably a completely new business model, I believe a depressed LU. Knowing the number of deaths, the numbers of people suffering in their daily life I don t believe that P6 should be the main focus for the coming months. Sex is not forbidden, you can have so much sex you want, you just need to date girls.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2517966]The worst part about you would be that you're a coward, and not your stupidity, hypocrisy, immaturity or dishonesty.
You would never dare to say a word to my face, you're such a coward.[/QUOTE]I don't trust men who have never had a proper ass kicking. That being said, I'm always down for a good tussle whether it be physical or verbal. Follow through and I'd gladly choose violence. Cheers!
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Are you sure it was a snake or just a tiny little worm?
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Facts
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2518756]First casting off the old and people you consider weak (how does one define weak anyway?) Now we're blaming them for breaking the rules as if a huge percentage of cases were not transmitted by a loved one in the very same household. Or perhaps if people were not misinformed by the very politicians you admire, the rules would have been taken more seriously.
I wonder how one would define weak? Someone having a chronic medical condition? Well, nearly half of all adults over 15 have at least one chronic medical condition and over 25% have multiple. From the population I see in FKK clubs, I can eyeball the number of people having at least one chronic condition to be north of 75%, easily over. My FKK crew's average age is probably under 45 and everyone of them has at least one medical condition, diagnosed or not. So there's a damn good chance that anyone reading this very post may be considered "weak. ".
[URL]https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/5101558b-en/index.html?itemId=/content/component/5101558b-en[/URL]
Let me compare that to my current patient load in my ICU. Oh look, over 1/3 are <=50 and over 1/2 are <=65. Guess what, those hospitalization rates align perfectly with comorbidity prevalence as we age.
Now unless you want to actually be a positive voice and actually contribute real knowledge, would you please just go yell in some extremist echo chamber. Your malicious statements do nothing to help the public at large.[/QUOTE]Sobering, but a breath of fresh air nonetheless. Truth is what is needed in times such as this. Thanks.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2518863]Are you sure it was a snake or just a tiny little worm?[/QUOTE]The bigtroll is at it again. Someone give him his pacifier.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2517966]The worst part about you would be that you're a coward, and not your stupidity, hypocrisy, immaturity or dishonesty.
You would never dare to say a word to my face, you're such a coward.[/QUOTE]He's finally come completely unhinged.
Shoobree you are a mediocre tool of far right / wing nut progaganda and you don't even know it.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2518879]He's finally come completely unhinged.
Shoobree you are a mediocre tool of far right / wing nut progaganda and you don't even know it.[/QUOTE]This is one of his troll patterns. He found it in 'trolling 101'. He's constantly blaming people for what he's actually doing (lying, ignoring the facts, insulting everyone, twisting the truth) so he hopes than no one will dare to say the same thing to him.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2518537]You never heard of self-isolating? That's what they should do.
Most of those that dies only have themselves to blame. The rest are so old and weak that they can't even self-isolate.
Asking young people to sacrifice their future for a vegetable or rule-breaker is an asshole move.[/QUOTE]People who can only blame themselves according to shooTroll because they were too old or weak:
[URL]https://people.com/human-interest/21-year-old-college-baseball-player-dies-coronavirus/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.world-today-news.com/elia-18-had-to-be-amputated-following-the-coronavirus-i-am-a-miracle-protect-yourself-protect-others/[/URL]
[URL]https://nypost.com/2020/09/30/nc-basketball-player-dies-of-neurological-problems-from-covid-19/[/URL]
[URL]https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/19/entertainment/nick-cordero-coronavirus-leg-amputation-trnd/index.html[/URL]
What a real bunch of parasites!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2518756]First casting off the old and people you consider weak (how does one define weak anyway?) Now we're blaming them for breaking the rules as if a huge percentage of cases were not transmitted by a loved one in the very same household. Or perhaps if people were not misinformed by the very politicians you admire, the rules would have been taken more seriously.
I wonder how one would define weak? Someone having a chronic medical condition? Well, nearly half of all adults over 15 have at least one chronic medical condition and over 25% have multiple. From the population I see in FKK clubs, I can eyeball the number of people having at least one chronic condition to be north of 75%, easily over. My FKK crew's average age is probably under 45 and everyone of them has at least one medical condition, diagnosed or not. So there's a damn good chance that anyone reading this very post may be considered "weak. ".[/QUOTE]Yawn, it's called survival of the fittest. The fittest don't die from Covid-19, the old, weak and extremely unlucky might die. Either way it's not my problem.
One could have thought that the CEO: s and world leaders you brought up in your previous post would be privileged and smart enough to quarantine properly.
If you need the politicians to spoon feed you information, well, you're not all that bright. The problem is that gullible people like you need the liberal fake news to tell you what to say, think and feel. The liberal media told you to be scared so now you're scared. And I'm laughing my ass off.
I'm telling the truth, the fact that you don't want to hear it only makes it more fun to write.
Anyways you failed to address the immorality of sacrificing young people that have nothing to fear from Covid-19. Were you, are you, okay with people dying from the regular flu or did you demand lockdowns before Covid-19 as well?
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2518879]He's finally come completely unhinged.
Shoobree you are a mediocre tool of far right / wing nut progaganda and you don't even know it.[/QUOTE]Did CNN teach you to say that? LMFAO!
You can say what you want, I don't take you seriously anyways because you're obviously brainwashed by the liberal fake news. To me you're just another puppet. You just don't understand any better. My only question would be what you're even doing on this site since you've contributed nothing on the topic of P4P.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2518876]Sobering, but a breath of fresh air nonetheless. Truth is what is needed in times such as this. Thanks.[/QUOTE]The truth is that COVID-19 is a joke, most people don't even know that they've been infected. It's the old and weak that are dying. Those that can't even self-isolate or take care of themselves. Those that would die anyways.
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Chief Tecumseh
"So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart. Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours. Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people. Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide. Always give a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend, even a stranger, when in a lonely place. Show respect to all people and grovel to none. When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living. If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies only in yourself. Abuse no one and no thing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision. When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home. ".
Chief Tecumseh.
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[QUOTE=Sailor501;2518935]"So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart. Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours. Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people. Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide. Always give a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend, even a stranger, when in a lonely place. Show respect to all people and grovel to none. When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living. If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies only in yourself. Abuse no one and no thing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision. When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home. ".
― Chief Tecumseh.[/QUOTE]Didn't his people basically get wiped out and he himself was killed in war? Quote sounds nice in theory though.
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Sounds Good
[QUOTE=Sailor501;2518935]"So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart. Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours. Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life. Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people. Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide. Always give a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend, even a stranger, when in a lonely place. Show respect to all people and grovel to none. When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living. If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies only in yourself. Abuse no one and no thing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools and robs the spirit of its vision. When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home. ".
― Chief Tecumseh.[/QUOTE]But Tecumseh didn't "show respect to all people. " because he was frequently at war. Whether right, wrong, or indifferent in his case, some views aren't worthy of respect, nor are the people who persist in and act on them. That includes those who spread Covid myths that if applied, lead to the lose of many lives. That includes a dictatorial president who is persistently trying to overturn a democratically held election. In such cases no respect is warranted. Ultimately Tecumseh's idealism was met with reality.
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2518640]1) yes, by Sep 2021 a good number of FKKs will be open. I guess two major lock-downs bankrupted 20-50% of the sector, though. So watch ISG to see where most of the action is.
2) like Chongmal said.
3) I'd suggest NRW (LR, GT, Penelope, Samya, some RLDs, etc) - but everyone has their own preferences.[/QUOTE]Thanks to you and chongmal for the perspective. Here's hoping that 2021 is a better time for us mongers than 2020.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2518880]This is one of his troll patterns. He found it in 'trolling 101'. He's constantly blaming people for what he's actually doing (lying, ignoring the facts, insulting everyone, twisting the truth) so he hopes than no one will dare to say the same thing to him.[/QUOTE]You can bet your life on this, he's going to be here, and will match you post for post to the very end. He's down in the basement in his computer chair 24/7, and mom is always available to bring him another jar of pickled herring.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2518881]People who can only blame themselves according to shooTroll because they were too old or weak:
[URL]https://people.com/human-interest/21-year-old-college-baseball-player-dies-coronavirus/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.world-today-news.com/elia-18-had-to-be-amputated-following-the-coronavirus-i-am-a-miracle-protect-yourself-protect-others/[/URL]
[URL]https://nypost.com/2020/09/30/nc-basketball-player-dies-of-neurological-problems-from-covid-19/[/URL]
[URL]https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/19/entertainment/nick-cordero-coronavirus-leg-amputation-trnd/index.html[/URL]
What a real bunch of parasites![/QUOTE]You're aware that young people died because of the regular flu before you even knew that COVID-19 existed? Why were you quiet when young people died because of the regular flu?
[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1127799/influenza-us-mortality-rate-by-age-group/[/URL]
It's obvious that I'm much more knowledgeable than you.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2519008]You can bet your life on this, he's going to be here, and will match you post for post to the very end. He's down in the basement in his computer chair 24/7, and mom is always available to bring him another jar of pickled herring.[/QUOTE]Are you talking about yourself, Mursenary or the bigtroll?
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2518890]Yawn, it's called survival of the fittest. The fittest don't die from Covid-19, the old, weak and extremely unlucky might die. Either way it's not my problem.
One could have thought that the CEO: s and world leaders you brought up in your previous post would be privileged and smart enough to quarantine properly.
If you need the politicians to spoon feed you information, well, you're not all that bright. The problem is that gullible people like you need the liberal fake news to tell you what to say, think and feel. The liberal media told you to be scared so now you're scared. And I'm laughing my ass off.
I'm telling the truth, the fact that you don't want to hear it only makes it more fun to write.
Anyways you failed to address the immorality of sacrificing young people that have nothing to fear from Covid-19. Were you, are you, okay with people dying from the regular flu or did you demand lockdowns before Covid-19 as well?[/QUOTE]It would be funny if it wasn't so sad, a lay person attempting to lecture a healthcare and public health professional about the nature of a public health threat. You are completely unaware of the downstream threat that an overloaded healthcare system poses on those not even affected by covid19.
I remember when I used to think like you. Completely self-oriented, so consumed with personal gain that you're unable to invest in others to achieve a mutually beneficial scenario. It's a slave mentality that is ultimately self-limiting.
There are over 195 sovereign nations in the world. If you don't like the policies that the collective majority support in a particular area, you are free to find a society that better suits your ideals of "survival of the fittest."
We live in a collective society. Humans became the dominant species because our society evolved to produce something better than the sum of our parts. Again, if you don't like the law of the land, feel free to find other lands free of the chains of collective society where you can strive to live your survival of the "fittest ideals."
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Brevity is an art
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2518731]Real facts are when FKK were on top for girls, on 2016 for me, so not so long ago for a so old guy like me, and I perform better in my sports now than then, I was many weeks 5 days in brothels from Thursday evening when I woke up at 5/6 am, worked all day, then drove 5 hours, to Monday to Tuesday night, driving back to be in Paris on Tuesday morning to go to work. On April 2016 , even driving from Sharks to French Alps on Saturday to Sunday night and back to Sharks on Sunday to Monday night, nearly 2000 kms to go and back, and discovered wow Katalina on Monday evening for 2 hours and 2 rounds discovery and I followed to Globe. 5 days per week in FKK, not sleeping and no need of Viagra, but a real sporty, my sports and passion being my best Viagra, not just emptying balls. Don t US medical know when You are healthy and really sporty, You can make more resistance with age, You resist better to long efforts and pain, what make me still improve my records in most extreme climbing for professionals, at least French medical have knowledge about this, and on this Summer I even found new extreme playfield col de la Loze, to repeat to improve on next Summer. So, fucking, even in Sharks chalets I love in garden, even under high heat, is so easy for me, not for girls. But are You or who else here? Able to perform my sports when I go every Summer and Winter for this and still improving my performances, improving technique, materiel, like good old French wine. Most difficult for me is only to find interesting beauties, but as I m able to adapt, I made dark 2020 not so bad with more than 12 girls I enjoyed, 1 for 5 rooms, 1 for 3.[/QUOTE]Could have probably said all of that in 3 sentences. Instead we get subjected to the same 3 stories a grandpa with dementia keeps telling the grandkids over and over and over again.
Question, when was the past life you talked about? You know, the one where you had relationships with normal women and before you committed to a life of climbing mountains and pleasing prostitutes. How old were you when you gave up that past life?
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Brevity is an art
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2518731]Real facts are when FKK were on top for girls, on 2016 for me, so not so long ago for a so old guy like me, and I perform better in my sports now than then, I was many weeks 5 days in brothels from Thursday evening when I woke up at 5/6 am, worked all day, then drove 5 hours, to Monday to Tuesday night, driving back to be in Paris on Tuesday morning to go to work. On April 2016 , even driving from Sharks to French Alps on Saturday to Sunday night and back to Sharks on Sunday to Monday night, nearly 2000 kms to go and back, and discovered wow Katalina on Monday evening for 2 hours and 2 rounds discovery and I followed to Globe. 5 days per week in FKK, not sleeping and no need of Viagra, but a real sporty, my sports and passion being my best Viagra, not just emptying balls. Don t US medical know when You are healthy and really sporty, You can make more resistance with age, You resist better to long efforts and pain, what make me still improve my records in most extreme climbing for professionals, at least French medical have knowledge about this, and on this Summer I even found new extreme playfield col de la Loze, to repeat to improve on next Summer. So, fucking, even in Sharks chalets I love in garden, even under high heat, is so easy for me, not for girls. But are You or who else here? Able to perform my sports when I go every Summer and Winter for this and still improving my performances, improving technique, materiel, like good old French wine. Most difficult for me is only to find interesting beauties, but as I m able to adapt, I made dark 2020 not so bad with more than 12 girls I enjoyed, 1 for 5 rooms, 1 for 3. And made my Summer great, even I couldn't perform all my climbing, because suffering from anemia after 2 weeks of daily climbing, so needed time to recover to be able to perform again, and even finished with snow on road on top of Agnel 2744 meters high on end of October, I didn't see anybody else when it was a sunny Sunday, climbing topless, when snow and less than 5 degrees on top, a wonderful day. I didn't think I could, but I m still able, at my old age, with my stamina, strength and power, and proud under shower or when naked in front of girls.[/QUOTE]Could have probably said all of that in 3 sentences. Instead we get a subjected to the same 3 stories a grandpa with dementia keeps telling the grandkids over and over and over again.
Question, when was the past life you talked about? You know, the one where you had relationships with normal women and before you committed to a life of climbing mountains and pleasing prostitutes. How old were you?
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2518890]Anyways you failed to address the immorality of sacrificing young people that have nothing to fear from Covid-19. Were you, are you, okay with people dying from the regular flu or did you demand lockdowns before Covid-19 as well?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-similarities-and-differences-with-influenza[/URL]
[URL]https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600[/URL](20) 30527-0/ fulltext.
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm[/URL]
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2518897]The truth is that COVID-19 is a joke, most people don't even know that they've been infected.[/QUOTE]Most people have not been infected yet. At one time, it was believed that the number of actual infections is 6-24 times the number of confirmed cases. Just looking at USA's confirmed cases, we now know that we are probably at the low end of that estimate (perhaps even lower). USA has over 21 million confirmed cases with a population of 328 million. If the number of actual infections was say eight times the number of confirmed cases, USA would be at 170 million actual infections. That would be 52 percent of the population, which would be approaching theoretical herd immunity. But the number of confirmed new daily cases does not seem to be dropping in USA, which would suggest that USA is not yet approaching herd immunity. Czech Rep has an even higher confirmed cases per capita, and their new daily cases also do not seem to be dropping yet.
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[QUOTE=Chongmal;2518019]There used to be a puppeteer in the LR. One of the most amazing shows ever played. Pulling the strings, summoning the wee folk from across the land. A new fair maiden was found. Little did the wee folk know that the puppeteer was also pulling the strings of the fair maiden. It should have been clear during foreplay and was nearly discovered while on a picnic eating sandwiches. Then the new temptress was brought in. She was known as Black Velvet. I true snake charmer but this day the puppet master had different plans. Agitate the snake, poke it, taunt it and see if it will strike in anger. Obviously it made an impression because the wee folk still tell stories about the day Black Velvet came and wouldn't leave the snake alone. It wasn't until the puppeteer brought out the tallest marionette with the shortest strings that the wee folk truly lost control. Smoke was billowing, flames were on the floor. The tallest mariannette was near the entrance and the wee folk was summoned my Bowser. The wee folk demanded the tallest mariannette be sent away but Bowser refused. The decision was made, the wee folk would implement self exile. Even when he came to bid the fair maiden goodbye, and found her and the entire cast sitting beside the puppet master, he declared his heartbreak and announced his exile. The puppet master celebrated with the cast. The story is famous. The wee folk still talk about lost love, the towering marionette. The rest who witnessed it speak about the inferno, the jilted wee folk, the first of multiple exiles, and the kick ass after party enjoyed most by the puppeteer.[/QUOTE]We have all heard the Sandwich story and recognize the Actress as Danielle's I previously told you the Black Velvet is Mickey. Daniella and I spent many nights with her in my vouch giving me pleasure. The tallest marrienette is Jane.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2519008]You can bet your life on this, he's going to be here, and will match you post for post to the very end. He's down in the basement in his computer chair 24/7, and mom is always available to bring him another jar of pickled herring.[/QUOTE]Let's be honest, he's getting what he wants, attention that was withheld by mommy, daddy, and any peer since childhood. Much like our French Poet, conversation is lost here because they are completely inward looking. The outside world exists to serve them. There is no desire by these types to share information, points of view, or learn from others. They are the types who just need to feel significant by whatever means possible. One needs to assuage the years of Napoleon syndrome, needing to construct an alternate reality in which he is above all others. The other lives even further down the bottom of the barrel. He's given up on positive relationships altogether. At this point, any human interaction at all, even loathing by others, keeps him from drowning in a pool of insignificance.
Replies and recognition of their posts are basically acts of charity.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2519050]It's obvious that I'm much more knowledgeable than you.[/QUOTE]Yes but only in the domain of 'total bullshit'.
You're also very qualified in self persuasion.
But in persuading the others, not so much.
Or you're persuade them that you're totally out of your mind.
What's the herd immunity level in Sweden nowadays? Close to 90 %, 6 months after you beat the virus?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2519098]Question, when was the past life you talked about? You know, the one where you had relationships with normal women..[/QUOTE]They were not normal women, they were all extremely beautiful and all those women were totally in love with him and had the best sex of their lives with him.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2519081]I remember when I used to think like you. Completely self-oriented."[/QUOTE]How old were you? 5, or maybe 13? Didn't want to let other kids play with your Nintendo?
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Beware my friend, you're starting to quote yourself, on this board this is often a sign of deliquescence.
Soon you'll write sentences with half of the words missing, you'll do dick contests under the showers and you'll start a love affair with some pillar.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2519081]It would be funny if it wasn't so sad, a lay person attempting to lecture a healthcare and public health professional about the nature of a public health threat. You are completely unaware of the downstream threat that an overloaded healthcare system poses on those not even affected by covid19.
I remember when I used to think like you. Completely self-oriented, so consumed with personal gain that you're unable to invest in others to achieve a mutually beneficial scenario. It's a slave mentality that is ultimately self-limiting.
There are over 195 sovereign nations in the world. If you don't like the policies that the collective majority support in a particular area, you are free to find a society that better suits your ideals of "survival of the fittest."
We live in a collective society. Humans became the dominant species because our society evolved to produce something better than the sum of our parts. Again, if you don't like the law of the land, feel free to find other lands free of the chains of collective society where you can strive to live your survival of the "fittest ideals."[/QUOTE]You're a incompetent troll. Of course I know better than you. If you weren't so full of yourself you would have realized that much earlier. The lockdowns poses a severe threat to the health of many that wouldn't have any problems with C19.
I know that you socialists don't like free speech but I still live in a free country where I'm not obligated to keep quiet, move or agree with the government.
The question is more why you want to harm the overwhelming majority with the future ahead of them to keep vegetables alive. They have already lived their lives and should have the decency to wish the same for future generations. Life is too short to be wasted on lockdowns, especially the good years.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2519194]Yes but only in the domain of 'total bullshit'.
You're also very qualified in self persuasion.
But in persuading the others, not so much.
Or you're persuade them that you're totally out of your mind.
What's the herd immunity level in Sweden nowadays? Close to 90 %, 6 months after you beat the virus?[/QUOTE]Ridiculous. You're good for nothing but lying, trolling and personal attacks.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2519180]Let's be honest, he's getting what he wants, attention that was withheld by mommy, daddy, and any peer since childhood. Much like our French Poet, conversation is lost here because they are completely inward looking. The outside world exists to serve them. There is no desire by these types to share information, points of view, or learn from others. They are the types who just need to feel significant by whatever means possible. One needs to assuage the years of Napoleon syndrome, needing to construct an alternate reality in which he is above all others. The other lives even further down the bottom of the barrel. He's given up on positive relationships altogether. At this point, any human interaction at all, even loathing by others, keeps him from drowning in a pool of insignificance.
Replies and recognition of their posts are basically acts of charity.[/QUOTE]Hahaha, you're out of your mind. You're obviously self-projecting. You kept replying to my posts to other members even after I banned you from seeing my posts. That's how desperate you're! Just admit it, you're a troll coming to this just to have verbal fights with other members. You're pathetic. Imagine if you actually contributed to the topic of this website P4P.
You're a stalker.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2518531]It's just a rhetorical question since I already know the answer.
At the time of my post 200 k had died and 40 million Americans had lost their jobs.
Why are you so dishonest? Is it because you know that I'm right and you're wrong?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.ilo.org/shinyapps/bulkexplorer20/?lang=en&segment=ref_area&id=USA_M[/URL]
Pick the three first filters, for the indicators choose working age population, labour force, employment, employment to population ratio, unemployment, unemployment rate (every indicator by sex and age).
For sex choose total. For age choose aggregate bands: total.
Highest level of employment: 159,1 M in October 2019.
Lowest level: 133,3 M in April 2020.
Difference: around 26 M. Anything else? You're welcome.
One last thing: you wrote this post in December 2020. The level of employment was 150,2 M in 2020. Difference with October 2019: something like 9 M?
[QUOTE=Mursenary]Replies and recognition of their posts are basically acts of charity.[/QUOTE]Yes but it can be terribly time consuming.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2519098]Could have probably said all of that in 3 sentences. Instead we get a subjected to the same 3 stories a grandpa with dementia keeps telling the grandkids over and over and over again.
Question, when was the past life you talked about? You know, the one where you had relationships with normal women and before you committed to a life of climbing mountains and pleasing prostitutes. How old were you?[/QUOTE]I'm happy I didn't go to brothels until end of 2012, nor to escorts started only on end of 2010, being over 40, but having before normal life with normal women and learning much more about sexuality, erotism with normal women. You started prostitutes much younger than me and believing so ridiculous bullshit from the craziest Sharks girl who was ready for anything with so many. I was never in such situation with any prostitute. I started free riding at 18 and bicycle climbing before 40, and my girlfriends didn't like, nor my cars, jealous because I didn't spend all my time to take care of them. I rebuilt 2 divorced women with child, who were only mother, when 1 divorced after we met only for job, when she had a child, I never touched her before she took her decision, but because she wanted to become a woman. If my life didn't change, I didn't know about FKK land nor escorts before and I really didn't need.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2519234]Hahaha, you're out of your mind. You're obviously self-projecting. You kept replying to my posts to other members even after I banned you from seeing my posts.[/QUOTE]Everyone would thank you if you could do the same for all of us but unfortunately I'm afraid it's impossible.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/faq.php?s=&do=search&q=Ignore&titleandtext=1&match=all[/URL]
The ignore list just doesn't work like that.
Or maybe you're the Admin and you forced yourself into his ignore list but I strongly doubt that.
Actually I'm thinking about putting you into my ignore list, and maybe everyone should do the same, except some AI bots reacting to your rants so you'll still have the feeling that some persons live in your fantasy world.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2519267]Everyone would thank you if you could do the same for all of us but unfortunately I'm afraid it's impossible.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/faq.php?s=&do=search&q=Ignore&titleandtext=1&match=all[/URL]
The ignore list just doesn't work like that.
Or maybe you're the Admin and you forced yourself into his ignore list but I strongly doubt that.
Actually I'm thinking about putting you into my ignore list, and maybe everyone should do the same, except some AI bots reacting to your rants so you'll still have the feeling that some persons live in your fantasy world.[/QUOTE]You're such a moron, it's not possible for you to see my posts if I put you on ignore. So it basically serves as a ban. How dumb are you?
I know that you're scared of my posts because you can't argument against them. You've already embarrassed yourself by failing to understand the difference between millions and billions. Not to mention how I exposed France for not contributing as much as they should to the EU.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2519234]Hahaha, you're out of your mind. You're obviously self-projecting. You kept replying to my posts to other members even after I banned you from seeing my posts. That's how desperate you're! Just admit it, you're a troll coming to this just to have verbal fights with other members. You're pathetic. Imagine if you actually contributed to the topic of this website P4P.
You're a stalker.[/QUOTE]Apparently you don't know how the ban function works.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2519267]Everyone would thank you if you could do the same for all of us but unfortunately I'm afraid it's impossible.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/faq.php?s=&do=search&q=Ignore&titleandtext=1&match=all[/URL]
The ignore list just doesn't work like that.
Or maybe you're the Admin and you forced yourself into his ignore list but I strongly doubt that.
Actually I'm thinking about putting you into my ignore list, and maybe everyone should do the same, except some AI bots reacting to your rants so you'll still have the feeling that some persons live in your fantasy world.[/QUOTE]It's obvious that you are desperate for attention and self-projecting your sick behavior on me. You live in a fantasy world where a closed museums equals a lockdown.
You understand that people are laughing at you?
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2519274]You're such a moron, it's not possible for you to see my posts if I put you on ignore. So it basically serves as a ban. How dumb are you?.[/QUOTE]No ShooAss. If you put me on ignore, you won't be able to read my posts. Got it? That's what's written in the FAQ. The FAQ that I quoted desperately hoping that for once, some light will flicker in your IKEA brain.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2519204]They were not normal women, they were all extremely beautiful and all those women were totally in love with him and had the best sex of their lives with him.[/QUOTE]Did you ever have a married wife with a not yet 3 yo child, of course she was not happy with her husband, when she told me and asked me advice, when we knew only since 1 month and only for job, but she needed to talk to me very often, and I advised her not to divorce, of course I didn't know she didn't have woman life, when all guys were looking at her, but she took decision very fast and even telling me she didn't like sex, he was her first, but she wanted a woman life, not only mother nor preparing foods nor washing clothes. When I asked her why she changed her life about me, because she didn't want to tell me it was for me, she answered: because I gave to no other guy so many opportunities to make me sexual proposition you had and you never did, you never even kissed me when we met at job, few times when I had to come to kiss you, I turned face to surprise you and you always put your face back, I even thought you didn't like me, even you always answered me at job and were free to listen to my problems. From my exceptional elegant mother, I learned, even not running after them, power You can get with women, with many who like to speak with me, many telling me about boring sex they have with their man only able to empty balls but not to give them orgasm, so they prefer to play sick to avoid and some really fall sick from stress to get this low level of sexuality, when being only working together or friends or relatives, without having sex with them. Women need to speak to men who are able to listen and hear their meaning. Then, if you are not too ugly, when girls like to touch my hair or face, even telling I have beautiful eyes, when they should better say: I like the way you look at me, then you know a bit how to behave and quite same in brothels.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2519289]You understand that people are laughing at you?[/QUOTE]Hmmm. Do you?
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I do say this Rants and WTF is the most entertaining thread on ISG. You guys won't believe how much I've been laughing at these posts. A good medicine in this lockdown especially as I have not banged a hooker for 2121. I'm testing myself to see how long I can go without sex. I try not to think of my past FKK girlfriends during this period.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2519390]No ShooAss. If you put me on ignore, you won't be able to read my posts. Got it? That's what's written in the FAQ. The FAQ that I quoted desperately hoping that for once, some light will flicker in your IKEA brain.[/QUOTE]Wow, you're still here! I thought I told your mother to explain for you the difference between millions and billions and that closed museums doesn't equal a lockdown.
Also, your mother should explain the content of this link for you:
[URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.statista.com/chart/amp/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-budget/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2519244]I'm happy I didn't go to brothels until end of 2012, nor to escorts started only on end of 2010, being over 40, but having before normal life with normal women and learning much more about sexuality, erotism with normal women.[/QUOTE]It seems that you're not telling the truth. What other stories are you fabricating?
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2519390]No ShooAss. If you put me on ignore, you won't be able to read my posts. Got it? That's what's written in the FAQ. The FAQ that I quoted desperately hoping that for once, some light will flicker in your IKEA brain.[/QUOTE]Between this and the American politics thread, he's getting too cum drunk from all of the attention. The constant flaming by others is like bukkake for him. I think someone got some jizz in his eye. Cut him some slack, he couldn't read the FAQs section very well with his right eye shut.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2519244]I'm happy I didn't go to brothels until end of 2012, nor to escorts started only on end of 2010, being over 40, but having before normal life with normal women and learning much more about sexuality, erotism with normal women. You started prostitutes much younger than me and believing so ridiculous bullshit from the craziest Sharks girl who was ready for anything with so many. I was never in such situation with any prostitute. I started free riding at 18 and bicycle climbing before 40, and my girlfriends didn't like, nor my cars, jealous because I didn't spend all my time to take care of them. I rebuilt 2 divorced women with child, who were only mother, when 1 divorced after we met only for job, when she had a child, I never touched her before she took her decision, but because she wanted to become a woman. If my life didn't change, I didn't know about FKK land nor escorts before and I really didn't need.[/QUOTE]This is also the case for me, sex with normal woman are far more diverse and exciting than with a prostitute, specially in the FKK where they get fucked 10 or 20 times per day, they create a kind of scenario to protect themselves. Sometimes with escorts through VIP agencies you can meet some no pro girls who behave like normal woman, happened to me may be 3 times in 10 years. But for those who are able to fuck Sylvania all this is not a topic to be discussed.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2519466]It seems that you're not telling the truth. What other stories are you fabricating?[/QUOTE]He registered on the site October 2012. That's not end of 2012 enough for you?
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]At least, this many profiles US faker proved I use only 1 profile, on Youppie before, since end of 2012 to mid 2014 and claimed specialists there became so crazy jealous about my weekly writings about my weekly visits, and now here, since end of 2014, only 1 Sirioja who don 't need to hide even under shower, proud of my image even under shower, since I played football and I still love to play football in Oase garden, when no more ball now at Sharks. Was also funny to play in small LR garden with Nelli. Tu who play well, nice to see her in Switzerland, and Ruby on high heels, funny girl, during 2018 Worldcup, sorry again for guy I kicked ball in face, I need to practice more to kick ball in holes. But really amazing to get so obsessed followers, not only him, there was another US about World, of course a fat bald French who gave him this from other forum where I wrote before and also another French still reading all what I write, who wrote like he was me, when a US at LR made read to my regular good surprise my writings here. At least only 1 profile and I don't need to make read to girls about others writings, waste of time for me, when I prefer to enjoy beauties who usually return to me. But land of jealousy and crazy, like Trump yesterday, incredible shameful image for US from a banana crazy killing democracy.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2519552]] when a US at LR made read to my regular good surprise my writings here.[/QUOTE]You write this like this US actually had the power to make a regular, 3 rooms seems a bit lite to be a regular, read your writings. As this US said before, the flame was on the floor, not in the bed. A wee folk made a wee donkey out of himself. The object of his affection, Daniella, was poisoned not by a jealous man but rather by Eve. Eve was known for eating fruit from the tree of knowledge and shared that knowledge with others. Daniella went to a known visitor of this site demanding to see the wee folks literary masterpieces, specifically where the she was worshipped. As the US has explained to the Wee Folk on multiple occasions in person, he explained to the Daniella that the Wee Folk never mentioned her and then showed her that was fact. Yes, there were at least a half dozen ladies surrounding the Daniella and the US telling stories about the peculiar behaviors of the Wee Folk. This was not the US telling these stories but witnessing them. Stories about taking a bar stool and sitting in the middle of the walk way and staring at prior prostitutes who had sessions with the wee folk while they tried to work with other customers. Standing in door ways preventing clear passage without having to step over the wee folk. The wee folk following the lady of his affection when she went to the room with another customer. These were stories told by the ladies seen near the US and Daniella that night. Some of the ladies in question, Nelly, Jane, the Theresa, Isabella. This is all fact and even in the post coital uforically deliriously dazed mind of the the Wee Folk these facts are undeniable. It was not jealousy the US had for the wee folk. No, it was pity and embarrassment.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2519484]This is also the case for me, sex with normal woman are far more diverse and exciting than with a prostitute, specially in the FKK where they get fucked 10 or 20 times per day, they create a kind of scenario to protect themselves. Sometimes with escorts through VIP agencies you can meet some no pro girls who behave like normal woman, happened to me may be 3 times in 10 years. But for those who are able to fuck Sylvania all this is not a topic to be discussed.[/QUOTE]Yes, I agree real life normal women are higher level and more interesting, but I enjoyed some nice beauties in FKK, even on this year between covid. I like those following improving for me, working weekly together, like Kate or at LR. I also like with some long time in business when they are still fresh look and in mind, like Iranian Sepid in Vienna on this Summer, or I remember Alyssa at LR, I had to wait my weekly regular who didn't want I go with other girls, went on holidays, even I didn't go with her after her birthday, but then easier and more relaxing to discover sweet Alyssa, even she was since long time in business but real sweetness back when taking care of her. And when she saw me with my regular who gave me so great welcome, delaying her appointments for our usual 2 rooms, I saw her shy sad smile, for manners, I should have stayed with her, as said Daria: but she doesn't deserve your behavior for her, about my regular. And in brothels, even I can accept when girls I like ask not to go with others, I don t want You do this for others some say, even I like to meet weekly good girls, but we are not married nor children, so when not working anymore for me, easier and faster to stop and to try to find next one to play again. I just don't understand why so many turned really angry when I stopped, when they didn't behave like this with many who are not so faithful than me, and most had other guys waiting to fuck them, so they could get new better business than a bad guy like me, but really angry, even was told I humiliated her when refusing on 2 Friday to go with her. Will see what will be future casting, when beauties are more and more rare, even at Globe or for now escorts in Paris, and never felt wow at Aphrodisia, but sometimes find one and only one is enough for me, I m easy for this. Easy game in brothels, just have to pay for time spent and to be able to create what You look for, not more.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2519552]]......... But land of jealousy and crazy, like Trump yesterday, incredible shameful image for US from a banana crazy killing democracy.[/QUOTE]One should not judge an entire country by one person same way I would not judge France by Macron. I prefer to judge France by someone like Edith Piaf, one of my favorite singers.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2519755]One should not judge an entire country by one person same way I would not judge France by Macron. I prefer to judge France by someone like Edith Piaf, one of my favorite singers.[/QUOTE]He certainly is not America. He is an ugly aberration to be left on the trash heap of history. Our democracy remains strong, and will rebound after his disastrous presidency. I hope some Americans have really learned a painful lesson, especially the GOP. You lost the White House, the House of Representatives, and the Senate following this petty little man. Who then went and egged on a bunch of hooligans to desecrate the very heart of democracy. We have the guy recorded trying to shake down people for extra votes! Pathetic, disgusting, and sad.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2519466]It seems that you're not telling the truth. What other stories are you fabricating?[/QUOTE]The guys is a complete joke, rambling in incomprehensible 'google-translate-English,' thinking he's God's Gift to women, talking about skiing, supposedly being fluent in Russian (yet unable to learn English since 2012), supposedly "racing" on the Autobahn (in his beat-up little Renault that will barely go faster than 80-90 MPH), and climbing mountains yet he's spending 365 days per year on a prostitution forum.
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[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2519526]He registered on the site October 2012. That's not end of 2012 enough for you?[/QUOTE]I'd implore you to read the post and you will see the year 2007.
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[QUOTE=Chongmal;2519671]You write this like this US actually had the power to make a regular, 3 rooms seems a bit lite to be a regular, read your writings. As this US said before, the flame was on the floor, not in the bed. A wee folk made a wee donkey out of himself.[/QUOTE]Nice to see ya on the other side! You are right when saying that the wee is quite protected. Admins advised to take the fighting words to the rants thread. Results are mixed so far.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2519755]One should not judge an entire country by one person same way I would not judge France by Macron. I prefer to judge France by someone like Edith Piaf, one of my favorite singers.[/QUOTE]You can do what you want as long as you don't judge us by Pepe LePew!
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2519758]He certainly is not America. He is an ugly aberration to be left on the trash heap of history. Our democracy remains strong, and will rebound after his disastrous presidency. I hope some Americans have really learned a painful lesson, especially the GOP. You lost the White House, the House of Representatives, and the Senate following this petty little man. Who then went and egged on a bunch of hooligans to desecrate the very heart of democracy. We have the guy recorded trying to shake down people for extra votes! Pathetic, disgusting, and sad.[/QUOTE]What's disgusting are all the riots caused by BLM and antifa. Not to mention how disgusted I am by Biden and his divisive rhetoric. Biden is repeating a rhetoric that's not only the cause of violent riots, or terrorism as he would call it, but also the murders of innocent policemen.
Liberals are guilty of all the things they accuse Trump of. They hate him so much because he's a Republican version of themselves.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2519459]I do say this Rants and WTF is the most entertaining thread on ISG.[/QUOTE]It's also the most pathetic when you realize that these guys have voting rights, a driving license, maybe a job with responsibilities.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2519755]One should not judge an entire country by one person same way I would not judge France by Macron. I prefer to judge France by someone like Edith Piaf, one of my favorite singers.[/QUOTE]I wrote Trump gave a so bad image of US, during covid and now becoming crazy terrorist, really crazy dangerous banana president for US democracy, but really amazing so many US are following and voted for him, when Macron I didn't vote for, is not a danger for us nor the world, I think he has a bit more brain. Actor cow boy Reagan was also a funny image in front of the world and you have your dark, beyond laws CIA, but where were they on 11 September or this week, arriving after the war. Only 5 deaths is not so much, with so many Trumpist with weapons, to kill blacks, when no more Indians in far West. You have good taste for Edith Piaf. Despite US history about blacks, but from Louis Armstrong to Stevie Wonder, but Elvis was white, but a black music lover.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2519768]The guys is a complete joke, rambling in incomprehensible 'google-translate-English,' thinking he's God's Gift to women, talking about skiing, supposedly being fluent in Russian (yet unable to learn English since 2012), supposedly "racing" on the Autobahn (in his beat-up little Renault that will barely go faster than 80-90 MPH), and climbing mountains yet he's spending 365 days per year on a prostitution forum.[/QUOTE]You are free to think what you want, I respect your freedom, but I don't use google, I write in English, most often when driving. You are right first car I drove was my mother car, famous Renault 5, driving from Barcelona through Amsterdam for a NL GF met in Spain and after to Kopenhagen and Malmoe then back to Paris. Only 18, only a Renault 5 only speeding maximum 150 km / h but I remember I raced in curvy roads with Porsche 911 and 924 at this time. Do you know what was a German Hartge H3 E21, my first car bought at 21 with my holidays jobs, and I improved with race engine air filter and injectors from Alpina, for more than 200 power on late 80's, speeding not so bad, didn't see many in mirror. Then, few years later, planned to buy B35 E30 but balance was not so good, only to push in straight line, or M3 E30 but was not so impressed by engine power even more than 200 power for the one I targeted, but when I saw the legend: RS500 Cosworth, even crashed and broken engine, but I knew we were made for each other, I paid more than 10000 € in early 90's, repaired and improving engine with race turbo 1,8 bar wastegate, race injectors to lengthen opening time to give more gas for higher turbo pressure, increasing power from 204 to around 325 power for 2 liters engine, nearly 30 years ago, a rodeo car, when my last girlfriend was woman of my life, despite my sea sex and sun Spain visits, but legendary RS500 was car of my life for 25 years, my girlfriends being jealous, but I could put Neo 66 and bicycle inside, when impossible in 964 turbo 4's. Now Audi work not so bad when power is improved, easy cars.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2519810]It's also the most pathetic when you realize that these guys have voting rights, a driving license, maybe a job with responsibilities.[/QUOTE]Maybe one day you will have a job as well. Can you say: "do you want fries with that?
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2519768]The guys is a complete joke, rambling in incomprehensible 'google-translate-English,' thinking he's God's Gift to women, talking about skiing, supposedly being fluent in Russian (yet unable to learn English since 2012), supposedly "racing" on the Autobahn (in his beat-up little Renault that will barely go faster than 80-90 MPH), and climbing mountains yet he's spending 365 days per year on a prostitution forum.[/QUOTE]The best are the super long sentences with 6 separate threads without any logical link. Pathetic attempts to make himself feel better about himself.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2519868] I write in English, most often when driving.[/QUOTE]So racing, working and writing on ISG all at the same time?
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2519758]He certainly is not America. He is an ugly aberration to be left on the trash heap of history. Our democracy remains strong, and will rebound after his disastrous presidency. I hope some Americans have really learned a painful lesson, especially the GOP.[/QUOTE]Election 2020 was highest voter turnout in history. And Trump managed to get 47 percent of the popular vote, over 74 million votes. How many jumped off the bandwagon following last week's events? How many jumped on? Does someone with this much of a following suddenly just fade into obscurity? Even with dictators who were hugely popular at their peak, their downfall took place over many years. Trump will remain a political force even after his presidency ends later this month. Even if they manage to somehow prosecute him, he will be a martyr, and he will have a successor. When condemning the rioters, Trump was presidential and said all the right things. He commits to peaceful transition, but he ends it by promising his supporters that their journey is "only just beginning": [URL]https://youtu.be/y7_YNC8aHqs[/URL].
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2519830]I wrote Trump gave a so bad image of US, during covid and now becoming crazy terrorist, really crazy dangerous banana president for US democracy, but really amazing so many US are following and voted for him, when Macron I didn't vote for, is not a danger for us nor the world, I think he has a bit more brain. Actor cow boy Reagan was also a funny image in front of the world and you have your dark, beyond laws CIA, but where were they on 11 September or this week, arriving after the war. Only 5 deaths is not so much, with so many Trumpist with weapons, to kill blacks, when no more Indians in far West. You have good taste for Edith Piaf. Despite US history about blacks, but from Louis Armstrong to Stevie Wonder, but Elvis was white, but a black music lover.[/QUOTE]Really impressive reactions from US social medias and google and Apple to stop crazy Trump terrorism. Maybe he could now try Chinese tic et toc he didn't want in US. Really wait for after 20 January, really wish women will tell. I wish for our world, for so many millions of blacks in US, he can never be re elected, when really too dangerous. Made US just great shameful, when we more need peace during war versus covid, and even for after, versus economic crisis, when so big unemployment now in US.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2519804]What's disgusting are all the riots caused by BLM and antifa.[/QUOTE]I agree and there's a huge double standard: Antifa and BLM burn down complete neighborhoods + attack police and it get's downplayed as "peaceful protests" in the media, but if a bunch of unarmed rednecks and hillbillies waving American flags run around Washington DC (one guy dressed in a Chewbacca suit with cow horns, LOL), then they make it seem as if Al Qaida has launched an attack or that a coup d'etat is taking place.
The reporting is completely absurd, and very similar to Soviet-style "Pravda" propaganda.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2520097]I agree and there's a huge double standard: Antifa and BLM burn down complete neighborhoods + attack police and it get's downplayed as "peaceful protests" in the media, but if a bunch of unarmed rednecks and hillbillies waving American flags run around Washington DC (one guy dressed in a Chewbacca suit with cow horns, LOL), then they make it seem as if Al Qaida has launched an attack or that a coup d'etat is taking place.
The reporting is completely absurd, and very similar to Soviet-style "Pravda" propaganda.[/QUOTE]Spot on!
But what else to expect from the liberal medi? They have never been honest.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2520070]Election 2020 was highest voter turnout in history. And Trump managed to get 47 percent of the popular vote, over 74 million votes. How many jumped off the bandwagon following last week's events? How many jumped on? Does someone with this much of a following suddenly just fade into obscurity? Even with dictators who were hugely popular at their peak, their downfall took place over many years. Trump will remain a political force even after his presidency ends later this month. Even if they manage to somehow prosecute him, he will be a martyr, and he will have a successor. When condemning the rioters, Trump was presidential and said all the right things. He commits to peaceful transition, but he ends it by promising his supporters that their journey is "only just beginning": [URL]https://youtu.be/y7_YNC8aHqs[/URL].[/QUOTE]The Trumpian sentiments have been there for decades. The current reiteration really got traction from the rise of Sarah Palin in 2008 that led to the rise of the Tea Party during the Obama years.
Your allusion to a successor is the major threat. The next iteration of Trump may be more eloquent and frankly more intelligent. Imagine if the next demagogue was someone like Jordan Peterson.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2520048]So racing, working and writing on ISG all at the same time?[/QUOTE]All my radar flashes, when I was never caught overspeeding in Switzerland, were under 120 km / h, in 100 or 80 limited zones, so I can easily have business phone calls, or send WhatsApp or emails when my job don't wait snails. Game I enjoy on Swiss autobahns where snails, is when traffic, then I put on M1 to a bit more than 4000 tours, then S1 and kick down at same time, making sliding 4 quattro wheels even on dry, and others seem stopped, and this is legal in Switzerland. With all time spent in my car, with about 90000 kms per year, when my job can't wait and this is my performance at job to be fast to find solutions or answers, I work the same in Germany at double speed, but are you used to high speed? Meaning much over 200, when I m used to clean German autobahn from Basel // Weil am Rhein, when I ran after Porsche at only 18, making sliding, pushing to limit my mother Renault 5. When you drove a RS500 Cosworth and on wet, then you are really easy when driving, even full speed. The fastest, the more I relax. When I woke up at 5 am, running whole day at work without taking time to eat since I left bed, to leave at 4/5 pm to go to my regulars who sent me message: where would you come? I was exhausted and stressed in traffic around Paris, but as soon I could, I pushed to relax. I think I drove at least 1,5 million kilometers since 35 years, I never crashed anybody else than me and my cars and I rebuilt them each time because I m faithful.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2520090]Really impressive reactions from US social medias and google and Apple to stop crazy Trump terrorism. Maybe he could now try Chinese tic et toc he didn't want in US. Really wait for after 20 January, really wish women will tell. I wish for our world, for so many millions of blacks in US, he can never be re elected, when really too dangerous. Made US just great shameful, when we more need peace during war versus covid, and even for after, versus economic crisis, when so big unemployment now in US.[/QUOTE]Nothing is worse than the Non-Stop Every Single Day for 200 years of Rioting, Chopping Heads, Guillotine of your own King and Queen of France.
France is FUBAR.
France is the only countries that pay 40 hours week for only 28 hours of work.
Nothing but Complainers, Whiners, lazy Culture that create more Unions to Strike like a Merry-Go-Round all year.
Confétheération Française theémocratique du Travail (CFDT).
Confétheération Française des Travailleurs Chrétiens (CFTC).
Confétheération géandérale du travail (CGT).
Confétheération Française de l'Encadrement. Confétheération Géandérale des Cadres (CFE-CGC).
Force Ouvrière (FO).
Alliance Police nationale.
Confétheération nationale du travail (CNT).
Fétheération Syndicale Unitaire (FSU).
Solidaires Unitaires theémocratiques (SUD).
Syndicat de la Magistrature (SM).
Union syndicale des journalistes (CFDT).
Union syndicale des magistrats (USM).
Union nationale des syndicats autonomes (UNSA).
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2520203]Your allusion to a successor is the major threat. The next iteration of Trump may be more eloquent and frankly more intelligent. Imagine if the next demagogue was someone like Jordan Peterson.[/QUOTE]Peterson or some other heavyweight academic like him would have to really dumb it down to appeal to Trump's base. Trump was the perfect fit for the moment, and with help from a very unpopular candidate such as Hillary, squeaked by, made it in while losing the popular vote. He caught us sleeping, but we were ready last time.
Trump will continue to be a factor, but is wounded and will never fully recover. The events of this week freaked too many people out. This was most apparent after the mob was removed and the voting resumed, and a number of objections to state electoral votes no longer had senators signing on. The applause that followed was moving. The truth lies somewhere between what McAdonis and TheCane said, though only time will tell.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2520070] When condemning the rioters, Trump was presidential and said all the right things. He commits to peaceful transition...[/QUOTE]This was taped and read from a tele-prompter. You can bet he was dragged kicking and screaming to the camera for this, and the words aren't his. Here's one of his last Tweets before his Twitter ban, and it came after that taped statement.
"These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long," Trump tweeted. "Go home with love & peace. "
He added: "Remember this day forever!
[URL]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-tells-protesters-to-go-home-maintaining-that-the-election-was-stolen-amid-violence-at-the-capitol[/URL]
These are his true feelings as he doubles down on playing the victim while justifying the violence.
And he's of course done this many times before, recited prepared statements only to reveal his true feelings soon after on Twitter.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2520090]Really impressive reactions from US social medias and google and Apple to stop crazy Trump terrorism. Maybe he could now try Chinese tic et toc he didn't want in US. Really wait for after 20 January, really wish women will tell. I wish for our world, for so many millions of blacks in US, he can never be re elected, when really too dangerous. Made US just great shameful, when we more need peace during war versus covid, and even for after, versus economic crisis, when so big unemployment now in US.[/QUOTE]Who made Trump possible? Obama and Biden both were the President and Vice President during 8 years before Trump. Both completely destroyed the American middle class. The problem of the US can t be restrict to the place of the black people, it is exactly the same problem as in France can you reduce French problems to the Muslim and the banlieus. How many billions were injected in France for the social system, for des banlieus, for the education. But the problems are still more and more increasing. In France every year arrive 400000 new migrants mostly Muslim, speaking poor French, uneducated, poor and 200000 French people leave the country mostly educated, belonging to the middle or upper classes. Like in the US, France also destroyed the middle class giving like in the US poor future for most of the French people and even worse for the new comers.
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[QUOTE=PhuckBiden;2520243]Nothing is worse than the Non-Stop Every Single Day for 200 years of Rioting, Chopping Heads, Guillotine of your own King and Queen of France.
France is FUBAR.
France is the only countries that pay 40 hours week for only 28 hours of work.
Nothing but Complainers, Whiners, lazy Culture that create more Unions to Strike like a Merry-Go-Round all year.
Conftheration Franaise themocratique du Travail (CFDT).
Conftheration Franaise des Travailleurs Chrtiens (CFTC).
Conftheration gandrale du travail (CGT).
Conftheration Franaise de l'Encadrement. Conftheration Gandrale des Cadres (CFE-CGC).
Force Ouvrire (FO).
Alliance Police nationale.
Conftheration nationale du travail (CNT).
Ftheration Syndicale Unitaire (FSU).
Solidaires Unitaires themocratiques (SUD).
Syndicat de la Magistrature (SM).
Union syndicale des journalistes (CFDT).
Union syndicale des magistrats (USM).
Union nationale des syndicats autonomes (UNSA).[/QUOTE]What I don't understand is why Sirioja wants to speak about politics when he is such a master of organ music with women. He speaks of America as if it is the only country with a cultural and racial challenge. We don't have to return 200 years of history to find injustice in France. It was a mere 7 years ago when protestors were burning luxury autos in Paris, perhaps a good reason to drive an Audi A3. Please, if you want to talk about a performance Audi please make it a RS 2, Powered by Porsche, not an A3 with a pile of papers scattered around the inside. I guess that is the challenge when working 5 hours in the car while driving from where house to where house. Yes, they are all sophisticated women that will have sex with almost any man for money, even short fat US like me. Still, I have to say, when Kate told me, lick my pussy, tips, neck and ears but please don't give me a cat bath I almost fell out. Even better was when she took my hands and placed them on her neck and asked me to apply pressure, because she didn't want to be a lady. I came in her pussy so hard as she submitted to a bit of rough play. Actually, submitted is not the correct word. She initiated being treated that way. Sorry, I got lost in reminiscing.
Where were we, oh, more recent history. Paris is now seeing an increased cultural and racial divide. Implementing a ban on head scarfs in schools, stereotyping Muslims, etc. Serious talks about the US racial divide but moments before degrades Asians and Turkish. WTF, Pot please meet the Kettle. Oh, lastly, Kitty was a beast when I took her to the room for 3 hours. That was the first time I had a woman in a club on her knees in front of me, rubbing the bare head of my cock between her pussy lips, begging me to stay longer and telling me she would do anything if I didn't send her back to the guy standing outside the door listening to us fuck.
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[QUOTE=PhuckBiden;2520243]Nothing is worse than the Non-Stop Every Single Day for 200 years of Rioting, Chopping Heads, Guillotine of your own King and Queen of France.
France is FUBAR.
France is the only countries that pay 40 hours week for only 28 hours of work.
Nothing but Complainers, Whiners, lazy Culture that create more Unions to Strike like a Merry-Go-Round all year.
Conftheration Franaise themocratique du Travail (CFDT).
Conftheration Franaise des Travailleurs Chrtiens (CFTC).
Conftheration gandrale du travail (CGT).
Conftheration Franaise de l'Encadrement. Conftheration Gandrale des Cadres (CFE-CGC).
Force Ouvrire (FO).
Alliance Police nationale.
Conftheration nationale du travail (CNT).
Ftheration Syndicale Unitaire (FSU).
Solidaires Unitaires themocratiques (SUD).
Syndicat de la Magistrature (SM).
Union syndicale des journalistes (CFDT).
Union syndicale des magistrats (USM).
Union nationale des syndicats autonomes (UNSA).[/QUOTE]What I don't understand is why Sirioja wants to speak about politics when he is such a master of organ music with women. He speaks of America as if it is the only country with a cultural and racial challenge. We don't have to return 200 years of history to find injustice in France. It was a mere 7 years ago when protestors were burning luxury autos in Paris, perhaps a good reason to drive an Audi A3. Please, if you want to talk about a performance Audi please make it a RS 2, Powered by Porsche, not an A3 with a pile of papers scattered around the inside. I guess that is the challenge when working 5 hours in the car while driving from where house to where house. Yes, they are all sophisticated women that will have sex with almost any man for money, even short fat US like me. Still, I have to say, when Kate told me, lick my pussy, tips, neck and ears but please don't give me a cat bath I almost fell out. Even better was when she took my hands and placed them on her neck and asked me to apply pressure, because she didn't want to be a lady. I came in her pussy so hard as she submitted to a bit of rough play. Actually, submitted is not the correct word. She initiated being treated that way. Sorry, I got lost in reminiscing.
Where were we, oh, more recent history. Paris is now seeing an increased cultural and racial divide. Implementing a ban on head scarfs in schools, stereotyping Muslims, etc. Serious talks about the US racial divide but moments before degrades Asians and Turkish. WTF, Pot please meet the Kettle. Oh, lastly, Kitty was a beast when I took her to the room for 3 hours. That was the first time I had a woman in a club on her knees in front of me, rubbing the bare head of my cock between her pussy lips, begging me to stay longer and telling me she would do anything if I didn't send her back to the guy standing outside the door listening to us fuck.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2520070]Election 2020 was highest voter turnout in history. And Trump managed to get 47 percent of the popular vote, over 74 million votes. How many jumped off the bandwagon following last week's events? How many jumped on? Does someone with this much of a following suddenly just fade into obscurity? Even with dictators who were hugely popular at their peak, their downfall took place over many years. Trump will remain a political force even after his presidency ends later this month. Even if they manage to somehow prosecute him, he will be a martyr, and he will have a successor. When condemning the rioters, Trump was presidential and said all the right things. He commits to peaceful transition, but he ends it by promising his supporters that their journey is "only just beginning": [URL]https://youtu.be/y7_YNC8aHqs[/URL].[/QUOTE]The US like France. Are extremely split societies, between big cities and rural places, between ethnises, religions, color of the skin, origins, gays and lesbians. To manage all this you need a strong state, government with impose common values, will this happen? Obviously not therefor the problems will get worse and worse. The economical and financial crisis ahead of us will even make the things more and more difficult, probably a explosion of the unemployment, a strong increase of the immigration lead by like in France, relaxed immigration laws by the new administration. The complexity is extreme, and like always the richest and most educated will find solutions, living in areas between them, sending their children in private schools. Manipulating the dreamers like black life matters,. But at the end of the end nothing will change.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2520203]The Trumpian sentiments have been there for decades. The current reiteration really got traction from the rise of Sarah Palin in 2008 that led to the rise of the Tea Party during the Obama years.
Your allusion to a successor is the major threat. The next iteration of Trump may be more eloquent and frankly more intelligent. Imagine if the next demagogue was someone like Jordan Peterson.[/QUOTE]I think you look too far from the family. The successor will of course be more eloquent, possibly even a real lady who can learn organics from the wee folk. 2024 will be Trump 2.0, Ivanka. She has already started courting Iowa. The question is if AOC will push Harris out of the way or if it will be a three way.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2520070]Election 2020 was highest voter turnout in history. And Trump managed to get 47 percent of the popular vote, over 74 million votes. How many jumped off the bandwagon following last week's events? How many jumped on? Does someone with this much of a following suddenly just fade into obscurity? Even with dictators who were hugely popular at their peak, their downfall took place over many years. Trump will remain a political force even after his presidency ends later this month. Even if they manage to somehow prosecute him, he will be a martyr, and he will have a successor. When condemning the rioters, Trump was presidential and said all the right things. He commits to peaceful transition, but he ends it by promising his supporters that their journey is "only just beginning": [URL]https://youtu.be/y7_YNC8aHqs[/URL].[/QUOTE]I think you are absolutely correct. The current House and new Democratic dominated House, Senate and Executive are not going to bring the US together. The right will feel slighted, especially when Trump is prosecuted. Racist standards shift to the left, leaving even very tolerant whites feeling discriminated against by being classified as racist. I hope for something different, where minority politicians can admit to being a first or second generation American who has been allowed to rise up and represent all Americans. Examples, AOC, Ilhan Omar, Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Kamala Harris, Barack Obama, etc. I choose this as proof that America does offer possibilities.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2520157]I wouldn't make too many plans for 2021, because who knows: a new "strain" of the "virus" appears, and suddenly the hastily 'thrown-together-vaccine' is no longer effective and we're back at Square One with closures and lockdowns. I'm NOT saying that this will happen, but I wouldn't bet on everything being normal and FKKs opening in 2021 either. In case things drastically improve, you can always book some last-minute ticket, but I wouldn't spend big bucks on any tickets or hotel rooms or rental cars for the summer, speculating that "everything will be open again. ' That's just as stupid as paying a hooker up front for all the empty promises she makes. LOL!
Again, not MY words, but the words of Bill Gates and Tony Fauci;.
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/dr-anthony-fauci-masks-social-182017614.html[/URL]
[URL]https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bill-gates-on-covid-19-fall-2021-wont-be-completely-back-to-normal-115847877.html[/URL]
Better keep on jerking off to porn with 5 different face diapers wrapped around your head boys, thanks to the 'Plandemic' of Klaus Schwab & his fascist Globalist WEF buddies:
[URL]https://www.amazon.com/COVID-19-Great-Reset-Klaus-Schwab/dp/2940631123[/URL][/QUOTE]Dr Fauci Statement "Because even though for the general population it might be 90 to 95 percent effective, you don't necessarily know for you how effective it is. ".
We know that the vaccines are not 100% effective, we will also know that the vaccine is still effective for a new strain of virus so far. So presumably it will still effective if the new strain is discovered.
But I like the suggestion, not to book a flight before everything is back to normal.
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[QUOTE=Adindas;2520414]Dr Fauci Statement "Because even though for the general population it might be 90 to 95 percent effective, you don't necessarily know for you how effective it is. ".
We know that the vaccines are not 100% effective, we will also know that the vaccine is still effective for a new strain of virus so far. So presumably it will still effective if the new strain is discovered.
But I like the suggestion, not to book a flight before everything is back to normal.[/QUOTE]Sorry we don't know if the vaccine is still efficient against the different variants (including the UK one) that will pop up in the coming months, because most of the info are strictly controlled about that subject if there is any doubt the people will not get vaccinated. The name vaccine is also not correct in fact it is a RNA gene therapy put also this will afraid the people so let it name vaccine. The time will tell us if the vaccine is efficient and what are or not the side effects.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2520203]The Trumpian sentiments have been there for decades. The current reiteration really got traction from the rise of Sarah Palin in 2008 that led to the rise of the Tea Party during the Obama years.
Your allusion to a successor is the major threat. The next iteration of Trump may be more eloquent and frankly more intelligent. Imagine if the next demagogue was someone like Jordan Peterson.[/QUOTE]I always thought that part of Trump's appeal amongst his base is that he is not eloquent, but a straight-shooter that speaks using plain language. He says exactly what he is thinking, which would at least in the eyes of his base make him appear more "authentic". My assumption is that evangelical Christians and upper-class elite Republicans tolerate him due to the fact that he can command influence, and help them achieve their political objectives.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2520097]I agree and there's a huge double standard: Antifa and BLM burn down complete neighborhoods + attack police and it get's downplayed as "peaceful protests" in the media, but if a bunch of unarmed rednecks and hillbillies waving American flags run around Washington DC (one guy dressed in a Chewbacca suit with cow horns, LOL), then they make it seem as if Al Qaida has launched an attack or that a coup d'etat is taking place.
The reporting is completely absurd, and very similar to Soviet-style "Pravda" propaganda.[/QUOTE]Why is it so difficult for Trumptards to condemn the riots in Capitol? They always point out that people were fancy-dressing and waving flags, so they could not have possibly been dangerous! They seem to forget though that:
1) many of them were armed with knives and pistols.
2) they had electrical cable ties, probably not for some electrical repair, I suppose!
3) they trashed congressmen offices and they stole documents.
4) they were wearing white supremacist shirts and symbols.
5) there was a van with pipe bombs and molotovs parked nearby.
6) they broke windows and stole lecterns.
But it is obviously the liberals' fault. Trumtards commentators even had the courage to say that the rioters were Antifa members dressed as Trump supporters. Can you imagine a higher level of cowardice?
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2520458]Why is it so difficult for Trumptards to condemn the riots in Capitol? They always point out that people were fancy-dressing and waving flags, so they could not have possibly been dangerous! They seem to forget though that:
1) many of them were armed with knives and pistols.
2) they had electrical cable ties, probably not for some electrical repair, I suppose!
3) they trashed congressmen offices and they stole documents.
4) they were wearing white supremacist shirts and symbols.
5) there was a van with pipe bombs and molotovs parked nearby.
6) they broke windows and stole lecterns.
But it is obviously the liberals' fault. Trumtards commentators even had the courage to say that the rioters were Antifa members dressed as Trump supporters. Can you imagine a higher level of cowardice?[/QUOTE]The question is rather why you are trying to deflect from the riots, murders and murder attempts caused by your fellow libtards like antifa and blm.
The violence has been escalated by left-wing extremists and the rhetoric of liberals, liberal media and liberal politicians.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2520451]I always thought that part of Trump's appeal amongst his base is that he is not eloquent, but a straight-shooter that speaks using plain language. He says exactly what he is thinking, which would at least in the eyes of his base make him appear more "authentic". My assumption is that evangelical Christians and upper-class elite Republicans tolerate him due to the fact that he can command influence, and help them achieve their political objectives.[/QUOTE]Partly the delivery but the content still matters. Perhaps eloquent is the wrong word but more "articulate" with the same raw emotion-inspiring message is possible. Meanwhile if this next reiteration has better control of his ID-ego-superego, that could be the coming of Messiah Trump 2.0.
To Chongmai's point, Ivanka would absolutely win if there is any substance behind those dead, soul-less eyes. Never heard her in debate or go off the cuff, so it's hard to get a gauge on her ability to lead a crowd. But my gut instinct if she were up against Harris or AOC? She would crush them.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2520342]Who made Trump possible? Obama and Biden both were the President and Vice President during 8 years before Trump. Both completely destroyed the American middle class. The problem of the US can t be restrict to the place of the black people, it is exactly the same problem as in France can you reduce French problems to the Muslim and the banlieus. How many billions were injected in France for the social system, for des banlieus, for the education. But the problems are still more and more increasing. In France every year arrive 400000 new migrants mostly Muslim, speaking poor French, uneducated, poor and 200000 French people leave the country mostly educated, belonging to the middle or upper classes. Like in the US, France also destroyed the middle class giving like in the US poor future for most of the French people and even worse for the new comers.[/QUOTE]I think US was in better health with more peace when Obama finished than what made Trump. A shameful racist can't lead a country with so many blacks, Latinas, Asians. I wish he can't be re elected, he is too dangerous, even making twitos banning one the highest ranked profile. Of course, we have many problems in France, but I think our government is one of those who help the most citizens under covid crisis, even I keep on taking risks to make and save my job, outside, checking before my guys work, much more complicated since March, but I would lose too much money if I waited at home close to heater to be paid by government, bad guy but with balls to deserve my money made and paying so big tax since so long time, I remember my mother who told me: are you sure there is no mistake, about my tax.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2520217]All my radar flashes, when I was never caught overspeeding in Switzerland, were under 120 km / h, in 100 or 80 limited zones, so I can easily have business phone calls, or send WhatsApp or emails when my job don't wait snails. Game I enjoy on Swiss autobahns where snails, is when traffic, then I put on M1 to a bit more than 4000 tours, then S1 and kick down at same time, making sliding 4 quattro wheels even on dry, and others seem stopped, and this is legal in Switzerland. With all time spent in my car, with about 90000 kms per year, when my job can't wait and this is my performance at job to be fast to find solutions or answers, I work the same in Germany at double speed, but are you used to high speed? Meaning much over 200, when I m used to clean German autobahn from Basel // Weil am Rhein, when I ran after Porsche at only 18, making sliding, pushing to limit my mother Renault 5. When you drove a RS500 Cosworth and on wet, then you are really easy when driving, even full speed. The fastest, the more I relax. When I woke up at 5 am, running whole day at work without taking time to eat since I left bed, to leave at 4/5 pm to go to my regulars who sent me message: where would you come? I was exhausted and stressed in traffic around Paris, but as soon I could, I pushed to relax. I think I drove at least 1,5 million kilometers since 35 years, I never crashed anybody else than me and my cars and I rebuilt them each time because I m faithful.[/QUOTE]Just to add, when you make sports which help in bed and also to be more easy in life, cleaning German autobahns pushing in Germans back, can't compete for sensations with going downhill on a bicycle with narrow tires at 70 km / h, or on skis at 100 . After Adel. Ch la plus belle on this week end, with Lauberhorn. Ch with Michkante will be on next week end where guys take 160 km / h on 2 skis, so, even Germany is so easy.
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Celebrity
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2520451]I always thought that part of Trump's appeal amongst his base is that he is not eloquent, but a straight-shooter that speaks using plain language. He says exactly what he is thinking, which would at least in the eyes of his base make him appear more "authentic". My assumption is that evangelical Christians and upper-class elite Republicans tolerate him due to the fact that he can command influence, and help them achieve their political objectives.[/QUOTE]It's mostly about celebrity. Face the fact that we are all star fuckers in one way or another. The right wing puts down Hollywood because most of it's stars are big mouth lefties. DJT craved attention there and In NY but was spurned. Christians want a 1950's Disney world fantasy. NBA. "Shut up and dribble" Fox News entertainers would love to have a right wing version of the red carpet.
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USA and the real issues
The core issue is that labor has been devalued by automation, efficiency and productivity and offshoring for about 30-40 years. Selling labor is hard, very little pricing power because more people than properly paid jobs. This is on a collision course with lifestyle expectations and ability to afford housing and food. More can be said about wealth bubbling up to Wall Street that can borrow at 0. 25% and lend for 3% on mortgages (1200% gross margin) and credit cards at say 18% (7200% gross margin). Even if 25% per year is lost by bad debt it is still absurdly profitable and they have turned housing into casino chips.
The Trump supporters want their lifestyle back. Ability to sell labor and have enough. Their screaming and blaming immigrants etc masks the real issue, lifestyle and income insecurity brought about by automation and the like. Globalization is really the indirect import of Asian poverty. The cities are screwed because they are losing or lost a market to sell labor at a decent price that undermines their very existence.
The USD is kaput. The hardest challenge is finding a store of wealth the financial industry cannot fuck up, and right now it is water rights, certain utilities, precious metals and a few inherently valuable assets. We need this to sprinkle money on hot women who will suck and fuck us. I so miss the BJ bars, so direct, I see a pretty girl and get a hard on just seeing her smile and knowing she is an expert at sucking and happily taking a mouth of hot cum and we both know it, no shame, guilt or pretense. When I am scanning balance sheets or playing with swaps and currency pairs, I imagine their hot, oily soft mouth. Creates a lot of motivation and energy and a smile.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2520417]Sorry we don't know if the vaccine is still efficient against the different variants (including the UK one) that will pop up in the coming months, because most of the info are strictly controlled about that subject if there is any doubt the people will not get vaccinated. The name vaccine is also not correct in fact it is a RNA gene therapy put also this will afraid the people so let it name vaccine. The time will tell us if the vaccine is efficient and what are or not the side effects.[/QUOTE]I am ok because I have been vaccinated every single past 17 years by drinking pussy juice of so many different girls that my immune got so strong LOL! Pussy juices are the best vaccines against virus LOL!
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2520533]I think US was in better health with more peace when Obama finished than what made Trump. A shameful racist can't lead a country with so many blacks, Latinas, Asians. I wish he can't be re elected, he is too dangerous, even making twitos banning one the highest ranked profile. Of course, we have many problems in France, but I think our government is one of those who help the most citizens under covid crisis, even I keep on taking risks to make and save my job, outside, checking before my guys work, much more complicated since March, but I would lose too much money if I waited at home close to heater to be paid by government, bad guy but with balls to deserve my money made and paying so big tax since so long time, I remember my mother who told me: are you sure there is no mistake, about my tax.[/QUOTE]Great to see that you are still very active and doing your best, I didn't had the same energy and positive mindset that it is why I left France several decades back and most of my friends or family members regret not having done the same. Yes the French government is the most generous for the covid support but at the end who will pay? The French tax payers. Just published yesterday the criminal statistics from the gendarmerie, mostly rural areas: +10% in 1 year, you and me we perfectly know who are the people doing illegal acts, where they come from. Obama has solved 0 problem, Trump added more problems, Biden will solve nothing like Macron or Merkel.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2520458]Why is it so difficult for Trumptards to condemn the riots in Capitol? They always point out that people were fancy-dressing and waving flags, so they could not have possibly been dangerous! They seem to forget though that:
1) many of them were armed with knives and pistols.
2) they had electrical cable ties, probably not for some electrical repair, I suppose!
3) they trashed congressmen offices and they stole documents.
4) they were wearing white supremacist shirts and symbols.
5) there was a van with pipe bombs and molotovs parked nearby.
6) they broke windows and stole lecterns.
But it is obviously the liberals' fault. Trumtards commentators even had the courage to say that the rioters were Antifa members dressed as Trump supporters. Can you imagine a higher level of cowardice?[/QUOTE]Many unproven drama point about nothing. They had knives and guns? Really? How many people got killed? The only people that got killed were non-violent protestors shot by police, just like George Floyd by the way. They broke windows? Hahahaha! The richest country in the world can't replace a few broken windows?
I'm FAR from a Trump fanboy, but if this had been a BLM / Antifa protest then the entire Capitol would have been burned to the ground, just like they burned entire neighborhoods to the ground. The most serious thing these Trump protestors did was trespassing and break a handful of windows.
A friend of mine has been to New York during the BLM protests there, in the entire city all shops were boarded up with plywood and all shops closed because of the arson attacks and the looting. How many businesses are closed and boarded up in DC because of a handful of pro-Trump clowns? How many DC shops were looted by Trump supporters? How many DC businesses and buildings were burned to the ground? How may DC police stations were attacked by violent mobs? Answer: none!
Again, the 'comparison' you make couldn't be further from being objective, but I suppose you just repeat the media narrative without thinking and looking at facts.
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Now, seem more than 40.000 deaths in Germany really suffering under second wave, with more and more cases and cold weather. Not good for FKK in Germany. Let s see about Switzerland where few clubs are still open.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2520505]The question is rather why you are trying to deflect from the riots, murders and murder attempts caused by your fellow libtards like antifa and blm.
The violence has been escalated by left-wing extremists and the rhetoric of liberals, liberal media and liberal politicians.[/QUOTE]If I was you I would look up the meaning of deflecting in relation to my post. When Biden supporters will break into the Capitol with the intention of vandalizing everything and take hostages, then we can talk about comparisons. I'm sorry your life sucks, but it is nobody's fault and, to billionaire people like Trump, you are just pure entertainment! Trump said he was going to March with those people down to the Capitol. Have you seen it marching with those people at all?
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2520587]The core issue is that labor has been devalued by automation....[/QUOTE]I would suggest that that statement be altered to read: ¨some aspects of manual labor have been devalued by automation¨. There are not enough people to fill jobs requiring expertise in the fields of technology, computers, medicine, teaching, etc. Also the very nature of the field of automation requires manual workers to construct, maintain and repair machines. There are actually more jobs than there are people to fill them. The problem is that not enough people are educated to the level required to fill those vacancies. It would serve the Trump supporters better to educate themselves and seek employment. In any event if they were educated they would not support Trump. Trump appeals to the ignorant.
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I agree with 70% of what Phallus (Takedown) says about economy, and disagree with 30%.
Lets rather put it this way:
1. Outsourcing / automation is a side function of capitalism.
2. Karl Marx ultimate idea that capitalism leads to Marxism is 100% valid. Most people just love to misread him, and listen to other people who has misread him. We are just not at that ultimate stage yet in the evolution of society.
3. Politicians suck at understanding society, and usually blame the result instead of the cause.
4. A new type of Luddites (not neo-ludites as that term has been hijacked for the wrong reasons) believe labor are giving them power.
5. Capitalism in and of itself leads to crashes, and we are now maximum 4 years away from the collapse of the dollar.
5. 1 Helicopter money / basic income is the only thing that can postpone the collapse. And avoid riots like BLM and QAnon, both of which are results of the coming economic collapse of the dollar, and not the claimed political crap they write on their banners.
5. 2 Blockchain currencies coupled with basic income and less working hours is the new norm after the collapse of the fiat currencies. With tax on money itself, and all types of properties / goods through blockchains.
5. 3 Information technology has made all of this possible. Otherwise it is just a historically cyclical way of how money and capitalism work. But the paradigm change with IT leads to global Marxism.
6. The rise of AI and robotics and investments in these fields will leave labor costs moving towards lim 0. And the same can be said regarding energy. So a few decades later money will also disappear for good.
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It has nothing to do with Asia. The same mechanics were there as far back as to the Phonecians (who I believe came from Atlantis), and even further back in history.
Economists don't fuck it up. The central bankers and the economic regulators are just put on an impossible task at controlling a system that is mathematically impossible to control. And so they keep exporting different types of inflation from one part of the global economy to another. And there are no places to store wealth. Not gold, not bitcoin, not housing, not fresh water. It is all just a mind game. We can mine an asteroid in the asteroid belt and the price of gold would become as cheap as sand. We can come up with a better type of blockchain currency, and bitcoin would be worth nothing. Or we can make everything bought with bitcoins worth 0 due to nano factories or foglites. Sure we are not there yet, but the road is basically paved if you follow recent darpa progress.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2520744]Many unproven drama point about nothing. They had knives and guns? Really? How many people got killed? The only people that got killed were non-violent protestors shot by police, just like George Floyd by the way. They broke windows? Hahahaha! The richest country in the world can't replace a few broken windows? [/QUOTE]5 killed, including a policeman.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2520744]I'm FAR from a Trump fanboy, but if this had been a BLM / Antifa protest then the entire Capitol would have been burned to the ground, just like they burned entire neighborhoods to the ground. [/QUOTE]Small detail, this HAS NOT HAPPENED YET! Trumtards are so desperate for defending other trumptards that they are forced to compare Capitol riots with events that have never happened yet. What a coward whiny ***** must one be to get to this point?
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2520744]A friend of mine has been to New York during the BLM protests there, in the entire city all shops were boarded up with plywood and all shops closed because of the arson attacks and the looting. How many businesses are closed and boarded up in DC because of a handful of pro-Trump clowns? How many DC shops were looted by Trump supporters? How many DC businesses and buildings were burned to the ground? How may DC police stations were attacked by violent mobs? Answer: none![/QUOTE]Except for the most important building in the US and looting important mails, laptops and documents.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2520744]I'm FAR from a Trump fanboy, but if this had been a BLM / Antifa protest then the entire Capitol would have been burned to the ground, just like they burned entire neighborhoods to the ground.[/QUOTE]What neighborhood of which city was burned down?
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Store of wealth
The biggest con is that like quark Pauli exclusion, when a job is eliminated another is instantly created of equal or better pay. Statistically though, even if we could raise IQ by say 20 points thanks a magic wand, and train people to build / service machines or program, there are still way too many bodies versus demand for bodies, and that does not factor whether a "job" has a living paycheck as distinct to precarious hours and income, and of those, the income is not enough. We have arranged our society on the assumption the 1960's employment model and need for labour, a model that is fast disappearing. Result: surplus humans useless for military fodder, have no money to pay tax and vote irrationally against self interest.
All besides the point. The point is a means of storing wealth to give to young women to enjoy their youth, beauty and sex. I agree with Pistons the USD is on borrowed time, and doubt the HKD will be able to or want to keep the peg. If China or Russia (read Syria and Iran) start pricing fossil fuels in a new currency, as they will, it will be game over, and with it the citadel of London and New York finding their loan book smashed. Most people I know in banking keep a major stash of wealth in stuff that has static demand, specific luxury land, artworks, precious metals and highly diversified companies with low correlation with accounting tricks or finance games. These are like unicorns. I very much doubt we will be mining asteroids unless we come across alien technology that has anti-gravity, space-time folding and other magic. So gold and silver should be pretty safe, but only actual physical gold, not bits of paper.
As to the point: fiat cash is a mind game. That's true. Offers gorilla a $100 note for some bananas. But so too is almost all of society and laws, just shared myths and symbols we have see throughout history. But for 2021, my read is that housing is mostly casino chips owned by capital markets via mortgages that depends on working stiff to sell labor in this thing called employment that is fast fading, and vast sections of the economy are linked to. Just look at Flint Michigan, Detroit and many UK cities and ex Soviet cities that went from middle class to rusted hulks in less than 50 years. The stock market is a QE driven gas bubble with very few fundamentals in the immediate or medium term.
Hard choices here. We need portable wealth to get no-obligation hot young women. Ideas?
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2520820]In any event if they were educated they would not support Trump. Trump appeals to the ignorant.[/QUOTE]I believe thinking like this is what got us here. You would be surprised how many well educated people "support" Trump. But I guess that also depends on your definition of "support. " Yes, the loud, rally goers are generally the dumb ones. However, a larger majority silently cast their vote, make donations, while declaring "undecided" on election polls. These are the people who vote according to their cultural beliefs. Some call it racism, which I don't fully agree. They support Trump to protect the world order in their eyes. A world where hetero, light skinned, Judeo-Christian cultures set the tone for society. Those people generally don't try to actively suppress the success and well being of racial, cultural, and religious minorities, but they vote for policies that ensure those subcultures do not become the mainstream. In addition, you have Trump Voters who know that he is a detriment to society but believe that the American form of liberalism is even more dangerous. Those are the rational people in which I can most often relate.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2520820]i would suggest that that statement be altered to read: some aspects of manual labor have been devalued by automation. There are not enough people to fill jobs requiring expertise in the fields of technology, computers, medicine, teaching, etc. Also the very nature of the field of automation requires manual workers to construct, maintain and repair machines. [/QUOTE]I do agree with your other point. The automation scare is a little misunderstood and overblown. It's not even a new debate. The Greeks worried about the displacement of human labor since the times of Aristotle.
Unemployment is not the most accurate word to use to describe the eventual outcome, but rather employment displacement. John Keynes popularized the term, "technological unemployment," characterizing it as "only a temporary phase of maladjustment."
Just like all previous technological advancements, the labor force just shifts, although usually coupled with a temporary phase of unemployment due to mindset and training lag. You alluded to job creation for technical yet still manual labor, but more profound is the effect on knowledge and creativity intensive jobs, mainly because innovation in one sector creates opportunities in other sectors.
The easy example is the disruptive effects of digital media to print media industry. The lost print media jobs were replaced by independent bloggers and eventually social media influencers. Not only did the content creators and influencers create new occupations, but their rise developed with the rise of digital marketers, advertisers, and the behind the scenes coders who make the magic happen. Cars displaced carriage drivers but created jobs for mechanics, gas station vendors, and jobs in road construction and civil planning. Farming reduced the need for hunter-gatherers but led to more jobs in harvesting. It led to settlement and eventually to cities and society and the exponential downstream effects in the creation of hundreds of occupations, all because some people put a seed in some dirt and learned to wait with patience in order to reap its rewards.
All this is to say that the sky is falling doom and gloomers are quite short sighted.
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Store of wealth
The biggest con is that like quark Pauli exclusion, when a job is eliminated another is instantly created of equal or better pay. Statistically though, even if we could raise IQ by say 20 points thanks a magic wand, and train people to build / service machines or program, there are still way too many bodies versus demand for bodies, and that does not factor whether a "job" has a living paycheck as distinct to precarious hours and income, and of those, the income is not enough. We have arranged our society on the assumption the 1960's employment model and need for labour, a model that is fast disappearing. Result: surplus humans useless for military fodder, have no money to pay tax and vote irrationally against self interest.
All besides the point. The point is a means of storing wealth to give to young women to enjoy their youth, beauty and sex. I agree with Pistons the USD is on borrowed time, and doubt the HKD will be able to or want to keep the peg. If China or Russia (read Syria and Iran) start pricing fossil fuels in a new currency, as they will, it will be game over, and with it the citadel of London and New York finding their loan book smashed. Most people I know in banking keep a major stash of wealth in stuff that has static demand, specific luxury land, artworks, precious metals and highly diversified companies with low correlation with accounting tricks or finance games. These are like unicorns. I very much doubt we will be mining asteroids unless we come across alien technology that has anti-gravity, space-time folding and other magic. So gold and silver should be pretty safe, but only actual physical gold, not bits of paper.
As to the point: fiat cash is a mind game. That's true. Offers gorilla a $100 note for some bananas. But so too is almost all of society and laws, just shared myths and symbols we have see throughout history. But for 2021, my read is that housing is mostly casino chips owned by capital markets via mortgages that depends on working stiff to sell labor in this thing called employment that is fast fading, and vast sections of the economy are linked to. Just look at Flint Michigan, Detroit and many UK cities and ex Soviet cities that went from middle class to rusted hulks in less than 50 years. The stock market is a QE driven gas bubble with very few fundamentals in the immediate or medium term.
Hard choices here. We need portable wealth to get no-obligation hot young women. Ideas?
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2520417]Sorry we don't know if the vaccine is still efficient against the different variants (including the UK one).[/QUOTE]It has been stated several times by the top medical scientists in the UK that they are very confident vaccines will combat the new variant. Fact!
Also in regards to other possible new variants & whether they do mutate, it has again been stressed again by the medical experts that it would only take a few short weeks to tweak the vaccine. Just like they do with the flu vaccine each year. Fact!
I don't understand why so many posters on here post their thoughts and opinions (and duly worry folk) without qualified knowledge. Or indeed repeat unqualified comments from dodgy internet sites.
This virus will become controlled (Not eradicated) and lockdowns will start to ease and life slowly return to normal or a new normal.
The only unknown question is how long it will take for sex establishments to be declared safe and reopen once vaccinations have reduced the high levels of transmissions?
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2520692]Great to see that you are still very active and doing your best, I didn't had the same energy and positive mindset that it is why I left France several decades back and most of my friends or family members regret not having done the same. Yes the French government is the most generous for the covid support but at the end who will pay? The French tax payers. Just published yesterday the criminal statistics from the gendarmerie, mostly rural areas: +10% in 1 year, you and me we perfectly know who are the people doing illegal acts, where they come from. Obama has solved 0 problem, Trump added more problems, Biden will solve nothing like Macron or Merkel.[/QUOTE]I still have more than 12 years to work, I will have nearly 45 years work to get full retirement, but no problem, with my sports, I'm powerful and full of energy, wishing to go to free ride soon most extreme spots. Since I started, only from my job and house, I think not so far from 1 million € paid for tax, not counting my employers tax for me, nor counting TVA on all what I buy and big tax on a lot of gas I use, but I m happy to work to save my earning and to pay about 4 months earning for tax, if can help French at the moment. But are you French? When I love my country, I love Paris, this is my roots and in my blood. When I say to girls Paris is unfortunately not anymore so romantic nor city of love, what all girls tell me, but I m still happy to live in Paris and in France. Must be a reason for small France and Paris to be number 1 for tourism, more than only my followers here. Of course, I would like to go for a winter in Alaska and Siberia or return to Peter, but I don't want to live elsewhere than in France, land of freedom for a free bird like me who make his life on his own, despite our problems, and Macron is not dangerous for French and I pretty sure Merkel is also not for Germans, when I would be scared about Chinese government like are so many Chinese, or about Trump supporting riots and racism.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2520263]Trump will continue to be a factor, but is wounded and will never fully recover. The events of this week freaked too many people out. This was most apparent after the mob was removed and the voting resumed, and a number of objections to state electoral votes no longer had senators signing on. The applause that followed was moving. The truth lies somewhere between what McAdonis and TheCane said, though only time will tell.[/QUOTE]Okay so senators in his own party turned on him. Most notably McConnell, Lindsey Graham and Kelly Loeffler. But does that mean the 74 million people will follow their lead? Could Trump (or his successor) create a third political party?
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2520535]Just to add, when you make sports which help in bed and also to be more easy in life, cleaning German autobahns pushing in Germans back, can't compete for sensations with going downhill on a bicycle with narrow tires at 70 km / h, or on skis at 100 . After Adel. Ch la plus belle on this week end, with Lauberhorn. Ch with Michkante will be on next week end where guys take 160 km / h on 2 skis, so, even Germany is so easy.[/QUOTE]I meant wish for Wengen on next week end, for wonderful downhill with Minschkante.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2520944]I still have more than 12 years to work, I will have nearly 45 years work to get full retirement, but no problem, with my sports, I'm powerful and full of energy, wishing to go to free ride soon most extreme spots. Since I started, only from my job and house, I think not so far from 1 million paid for tax, not counting my employers tax for me, nor counting TVA on all what I buy and big tax on a lot of gas I use, but I m happy to work to save my earning and to pay about 4 months earning for tax, if can help French at the moment. But are you French? When I love my country, I love Paris, this is my roots and in my blood. When I say to girls Paris is unfortunately not anymore so romantic nor city of love, what all girls tell me, but I m still happy to live in Paris and in France. Must be a reason for small France and Paris to be number 1 for tourism, more than only my followers here. Of course, I would like to go for a winter in Alaska and Siberia or return to Peter, but I don't want to live elsewhere than in France, land of freedom for a free bird like me who make his life on his own, despite our problems, and Macron is not dangerous for French and I pretty sure Merkel is also not for Germans, when I would be scared about Chinese government like are so many Chinese, or about Trump supporting riots and racism.[/QUOTE]Are you so sure that Macron and Merkel are not dangerous? Macron by easing even more the "regroupement familial" is attracting every year more more migrants with very poor jobs opportunities which at the end create a lot of tensions in the French society same for Germany. Why there was never a referendum like in Switzerland to ask the people what they want about immigration, have the people not the right to choose with whom they want to live?
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2521030]Are you so sure that Macron and Merkel are not dangerous? Macron by easing even more the "regroupement familial" is attracting every year more more migrants with very poor jobs opportunities which at the end create a lot of tensions in the French society same for Germany. Why there was never a referendum like in Switzerland to ask the people what they want about immigration, have the people not the right to choose with whom they want to live?[/QUOTE]But we have right to choose our president, not like in China, and our presidents accepted defeat from democracy. France is land of welcome and not so many foreign origins make problems compare to how many in France. For many works, French don t want to, even for some jobs with quite good earning but too hard, too dirty, too lazy, I need foreigners for my job, I worked with so many since I started, 30 years ago with Italians and Portuguese but most don t want anymore and children are not so good at work than were parents, then Africans and now mostly Arabs, Turkish, Kurds and Romanians or Bulgarians or Moldavians and few specialized French, or big US firm OTIS but with Bulgarians building to work and I m happy about beautiful lift. When they have a job, most foreigners just want to have a roof, foods, a wife and children, most are just like us, even different race or religion. Only few integrists are dangerous. I m really not afraid in my country, I used to go with my legendary RS500 Cosworth to Saint Denis, Pierrefitte, Sarcelles where lived and worked one of my so pretty girlfriend for 6 years, or Garges les Gonesse or les Mureaux and Trappes, when I see about Washington and free weapons with so many crazy in US. Some guys asked me to buy legend, when many looked at it, I answered them they would not be able to control it, with one leader, I took him to show him on RN2 , while acceleration with sliding despite visco system to improve grip and when braking, I didn't hear him talking, he and his friends never asked again, not a BMW or Mercedes but a race car. Germany also could not work without Turkish. In Switzerland, Albanians for big drugs business and Romanians to clean behind Swiss, when Switzerland have dark side behind the green curtain.
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Gorillas with covid in US. I think tigers also got. Also some cats and dogs, and visons in Europe. UK mutant make panic in Western Europe, London being said out of control for covid spreading. After a French team was infected after match versus Leicester. UK, European rugby cup is stopped. 2 big towns, about 18 millions people isolated in China. Not enough vaccines. Bad start for 2021. Even ski Worldcup keep on and really wish for Wengen Lauberhorn on next Friday and week end, Flachau. At women slalom tonight, but I worry for ski on this Winter when we have snow on this Winter with more cold weather, so snow should be good and more solid, maybe because of less activity in the world, with less pollution and heat made from activity. Covid may save white bears.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2520951]... Could Trump (or his successor) create a third political party?[/QUOTE]Ross Perot tried and lost and he was way smarter than Trump.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2521156]Ross Perot tried and lost and he was way smarter than Trump.[/QUOTE]How about Theodore Roosevelt for the most consequential third party spoiler ever.
1912 POTUS elections. Teddy Roosevelt, after having already served as a US President, returns to challenge the Republican incumbent Taft, splitting the vote and handing a victory to little know Democrat, Woodrow Wilson. Wilson becomes the first of 2 US World War Presidents to save France's ass and picking up them after being raped by Germany twice in 2 back to back World Wars. Wilson goes on to become the architect of the League of Nations which was the predecessor to the United Nations and in association, the North Atlantic, Euro-American New World Order with America at the helm.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2521156]Ross Perot tried and lost and he was way smarter than Trump.[/QUOTE]Fair point Perot was "smarter" and was unable to create his own party. But did Perot parlay that intelligence to get 47 percent of the popular vote? Did reality TV and Twitter exist in 1992 and was Perot able to move the needle like Trump? Do American voters even value intelligence?
[QUOTE=Turgid;2520820]It would serve the Trump supporters better to educate themselves and seek employment. In any event if they were educated they would not support Trump. Trump appeals to the ignorant.[/QUOTE]Along the lines of what Mursenary said, many conservative educated people support Trump or at least tolerate him, because of the influence he yields. Evangelical Christian leaders may believe Trump is a bad role model for Christian youth, but Trump can put his weight behind things they care about like banning abortion. And of course, GOP senators are extremely educated. They flip-flop and behind closed doors probably do not think highly of him, but they want the votes' of Trump's base. I am not convinced his 74 million voters will abandon him en-masse. Politicians are known to flip flop.
Lindsey Graham has flipped twice already:
[QUOTE]"Hes a race-baiting, xenophobic, religious bigot. You know how you make America great again? Tell Donald Trump to go to hell" - Sen. Lindsey Graham, (R) SC in 2016[/QUOTE]Sen. Marco Rubio, are-Fla in 2016:
[QUOTE]"There is only one presidential candidate who has violence at their events"
"Leadership is not about going to an angry and frustrated people and saying you should be even more angry and more frustrated. You know what that is? It's called demagoguery"
"You mark my words, there will be prominent people in American politics who will spend years explaining to people how they fell into this"
"If were going to be the party of fear, were going to spend some time in the wilderness. If were the party of fear, with a candidate who basically is trying to prey upon peoples fears to get them to vote for them, I think were going to pay a big price in November and beyond. I think hes already an embarrassment. People around the world are watching this debate and this campaign and wondering whats happening here, because the things he says are nonsensical. When youre the most powerful and important nation on earth, youre not always going to be popular. But the question is, are you respected? And I dont think Donald Trump is going to be respected."[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2520920]Unemployment is not the most accurate word to use to describe the eventual outcome, but rather employment displacement. John Keynes popularized the term, "technological unemployment," characterizing it as "only a temporary phase of maladjustment."
Just like all previous technological advancements, the labor force just shifts, although usually coupled with a temporary phase of unemployment due to mindset and training lag. You alluded to job creation for technical yet still manual labor, but more profound is the effect on knowledge and creativity intensive jobs, mainly because innovation in one sector creates opportunities in other sectors.
Cars displaced carriage drivers but created jobs for mechanics, gas station vendors, and jobs in road construction and civil planning. Farming reduced the need for hunter-gatherers but led to more jobs in harvesting. [/QUOTE]The counterarguments are generally that human knowledge accrues, similar to compound interest. And that the pace of innovation is happening at an unprecedented pace. Moving from hunter-gatherer to agriculture was an extremely slow transition and that transition occurred over much of human history. Each subsequent transition has happened over shorter and shorter periods. Human populations are also growing due to longer life expectancies, which places higher demands on job creation.
Previous automations were quite specific, and the machine remained unintelligent. Essentially the automation performed the same exact task just with more "horsepower", and so you still needed a human to operate that new machine. The carriage driver simply became a car driver, but there will be no humans needed if cars can make intelligent decisions based off data. Yes, when the economy transitioned from agricultural to manufacturing, people needed to acquire new skills, but I would argue that going from farmer to factory worker required very little training. You might be able to retrain a highly educated junior lawyer and have them work in the field of nanotechnology, but that won't be a smooth, seamless transition.
I could see working hours being cut in half or even more. So a continuation (or more likely the acceleration) of a trend that started in 1870's: [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/working-hours[/URL].
Maybe we just see more people "working" in creative fields. Maybe everyone is creating YouTube content. IDK.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2521075]But we have right to choose our president, not like in China, and our presidents accepted defeat from democracy. France is land of welcome and not so many foreign origins make problems compare to how many in France. For many works, French don t want to, even for some jobs with quite good earning but too hard, too dirty, too lazy, I need foreigners for my job, I worked with so many since I started, 30 years ago with Italians and Portuguese but most don t want anymore and children are not so good at work than were parents, then Africans and now mostly Arabs, Turkish, Kurds and Romanians or Bulgarians or Moldavians and few specialized French, or big US firm OTIS but with Bulgarians building to work and I m happy about beautiful lift. When they have a job, most foreigners just want to have a roof, foods, a wife and children, most are just like us, even different race or religion. Only few integrists are dangerous. I m really not afraid in my country, I used to go with my legendary RS500 Cosworth to Saint Denis, Pierrefitte, Sarcelles where lived and worked one of my so pretty girlfriend for 6 years, or Garges les Gonesse or les Mureaux and Trappes, when I see about Washington and free weapons with so many crazy in US. Some guys asked me to buy legend, when many looked at it, I answered them they would not be able to control it, with one leader, I took him to show him on RN2 , while acceleration with sliding despite visco system to improve grip and when braking, I didn't hear him talking, he and his friends never asked again, not a BMW or Mercedes but a race car. Germany also could not work without Turkish. In Switzerland, Albanians for big drugs business and Romanians to clean behind Swiss, when Switzerland have dark side behind the green curtain.[/QUOTE]Please tell me when there was a referendum concerning immigration in France? Are you aware that in the French jails 90% of the people have a migration (mostly Muslim) background, why it is because they are more criminals it is may be just the integration is not working. How many migrants are living in Paris 16 and how many white Christian are living in Saint Denis, if you consider there is no problem, why not for me at least there is a big problem.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2521224]Please tell me when there was a referendum concerning immigration in France? Are you aware that in the French jails 90% of the people have a migration (mostly Muslim) background, why it is because they are more criminals it is may be just the integration is not working. How many migrants are living in Paris 16 and how many white Christian are living in Saint Denis, if you consider there is no problem, why not for me at least there is a big problem.[/QUOTE]I never said we don't have problems in France, but I'm not afraid in France, I'm not scared about Macron who is not crazy racist and I don't want to go to live anywhere else, but as I wrote, I'm 100% French and France is in my blood, despite my very high tax. I love Paris, but maybe I will go in my mountains, for my sports, when will retire. I worked with Jews, I work with Muslims at the moment, most are integrated even we are different, only few make problems. When I worked in Sarcelles with my girlfriend, she made work Jews and Muslims together, for same aim, even some went to synagogue and some to mosquee, not so bad. After she decided and started divorce, we enjoyed sex in her office or mine, we had passionate years even complicated, in so mixed city where not so risky than les Mureaux 78 or Grigny 91 or Villiers LE Bel 95 .
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2521177]I am not convinced his 74 million voters will abandon him en-masse.[/QUOTE]I don't know who would ever argue this. The legendary journalist Sam Donaldson recently gave an interview and acknowledged that we aren't going to have much luck with the hardcore Trump supporters, but can win over a sizeable portion of those who voted for him, and in light of the violence at the Capital. That process is already underway. And it's never been about Repubs and Dems, though it's often framed that way. It's about reasonable people who value democracy against deluded people who do not.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2521177]Politicians are known to flip flop. Lindsey Graham has flipped twice already:
Sen. Marco Rubio, are-Fla in 2016:[/QUOTE]On that subject, check it out.
[URL]https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/01/11/republicans-warned-against-trump-brianna-keilar-roll-the-tape-nr-vpx.cnn[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2521083]Gorillas with covid in US. I think tigers also got. Also some cats and dogs, and visons in Europe. UK mutant make panic in Western Europe, London being said out of control for covid spreading. After a French team was infected after match versus Leicester. UK, European rugby cup is stopped. 2 big towns, about 18 millions people isolated in China. Not enough vaccines. Bad start for 2021. Even ski Worldcup keep on and really wish for Wengen Lauberhorn on next Friday and week end, Flachau. At women slalom tonight, but I worry for ski on this Winter when we have snow on this Winter with more cold weather, so snow should be good and more solid, maybe because of less activity in the world, with less pollution and heat made from activity. Covid may save white bears.[/QUOTE]Seem also now South African one who could be more powerful and not sure vaccine will be efficient. Anyway World Health organization said not enough vaccine on 2021 to get immune population. For healthy, maybe to catch and train own soldiers to fights all mutants. Healthy, well trained lungs should help.
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The donors choose
For the most part, donors holding most of the casino chips decide who gets to run for election. They give the president a list of Federal Reserve governors to choose from. DJT is poison for them now. The same for a few Republicans in government. It's a wait and see how many will be murdered in political violence in the coming weeks. The right wing militias will need to stock up on medical supplies for gunshot wounds. The hospitals will be of no help.
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2521266]I don't know who would ever argue this. The legendary journalist Sam Donaldson recently gave an interview and acknowledged that we aren't going to have much luck with the hardcore Trump supporters, but can win over a sizeable portion of those who voted for him, and in light of the violence at the Capital. That process is already underway. And it's never been about Repubs and Dems, though it's often framed that way. It's about reasonable people who value democracy against deluded people who do not.
On that subject, check it out.
[URL]https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/01/11/republicans-warned-against-trump-brianna-keilar-roll-the-tape-nr-vpx.cnn[/URL][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2521185]The counterarguments are generally that human knowledge accrues, similar to compound interest. And that the pace of innovation is happening at an unprecedented pace. Moving from hunter-gatherer to agriculture was an extremely slow transition and that transition occurred over much of human history. Each subsequent transition has happened over shorter and shorter periods. Human populations are also growing due to longer life expectancies, which places higher demands on job creation.
Previous automations were quite specific, and the machine remained unintelligent. Essentially the automation performed the same exact task just with more "horsepower", and so you still needed a human to operate that new machine. The carriage driver simply became a car driver, but there will be no humans needed if cars can make intelligent decisions based off data. Yes, when the economy transitioned from agricultural to manufacturing, people needed to acquire new skills, but I would argue that going from farmer to factory worker required very little training. You might be able to retrain a highly educated junior lawyer and have them work in the field of nanotechnology, but that won't be a smooth, seamless transition.
Maybe we just see more people "working" in creative fields. Maybe everyone is creating YouTube content. IDK.[/QUOTE]I'll redirect to my previous allusion to the Digital media revolution. You have to look farther than the direct transition of jobs. Social media influencers and content creators didn't just invade the media, news, and entertainment industries. The revolution resulted in new opportunities in completely different sectors.
Behind the generation of Instagram models is a a slew of actual working people; social media managers, photographers, editors, a marketing company, etc. Likewise, the rise of the automobile industry and the industrial revolution in general led to the explosion of the energy sector; first coal, then oil, then renewable energy, then things like the battery-energy revolution.
For sure the transition will not be seamless. A 45 year old needing to shift industries will likely fail to do so. There will be those who suffer. That's where political-social initiatives such as universal basic income may be temporary band-aids that help fill in the gap in order to curtail human loss.
Isn't the automation trend exactly what we want? Finding ways to do spend less time doing tedious or dangerous manual work and freeing us toward creative and leisure pursuits?
Anyway, this discussion only goes as far as to the point horizon where automation and artificial intelligence merge and Skynet swallows the human consciousness and our entire existence becomes digitalized.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2521264]I never said we don't have problems in France, but I'm not afraid in France, I'm not scared about Macron who is not crazy racist and I don't want to go to live anywhere else, but as I wrote, I'm 100% French and France is in my blood, despite my very high tax. I love Paris, but maybe I will go in my mountains, for my sports, when will retire. I worked with Jews, I work with Muslims at the moment, most are integrated even we are different, only few make problems. When I worked in Sarcelles with my girlfriend, she made work Jews and Muslims together, for same aim, even some went to synagogue and some to mosquee, not so bad. After she decided and started divorce, we enjoyed sex in her office or mine, we had passionate years even complicated, in so mixed city where not so risky than les Mureaux 78 or Grigny 91 or Villiers LE Bel 95 .[/QUOTE]You have your opinions and I respect them. May be are you aware that just 2 days back in Strasbourg the Capital of Europe a employee of Deliveroo refused 2 times to deliver Jew customers, obviously the man is a Muslim. Something like that was not possible 10 years ago in France. In fact in that case who is the racist?
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2521318]You have your opinions and I respect them. May be are you aware that just 2 days back in Strasbourg the Capital of Europe a employee of Deliveroo refused 2 times to deliver Jew customers, obviously the man is a Muslim. Something like that was not possible 10 years ago in France. In fact in that case who is the racist?[/QUOTE]Again, I don't say no problem in France, when more than 68000 deaths from covid is unfortunately much too much, but we seem better than UK and Germany at the moment and fortunately for us, we don t have a Trump. We also fight against terrorism with deaths for us. But we have high quality of life, higher than Germany or UK for my tastes. I like London, but I would not go to Germany for else than brothels, even Bavaria is beautiful, but I don t go to ski there because we have better places in France, despite famous Kandahar Garmisch Partenkirchen. Except for Verbier, Switzerland is also only for brothels now for me and I buy Swiss white chocolate now in France, to pay tax for my country. When Romanian girls tell me I should visit their beautiful country, I may never go, but I answer they have to be proud of their origin, even they were born poor. I was lucky to have great parents and I m proud to be French, even bad French, but I know what I want.
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PahllusMaximus,
You are just wanting to rig the system, too. And pick winners and losers, apparently making yourself a winner. So I hardly see how you are better than the people who are, apparently, doing better than you are economically.
Yes, we have tremendous income and wealth inequality in the United States. People with training in certain areas, who have an existing store of invested wealth, and who have key connections are doing extraordinarily well. Those who want to exchange labor for cash and who do not fall into those three above-mentioned categories are not doing nearly as well. Most of the jobs that have experienced solid wage growth are equally open to men and women, so high-earning women are doing quite well compared to their status decades ago.
There is no shortage of women in the United States selling commercial sex. But they recognize the income and wealth inequalities, and the wise ones sell sex at a very high price to those guys who are doing well economically, and they educate themselves as to how to do so in a manner that almost completely eliminates the risk of arrest. Ditto for the johns.
The United States has a massive underclass of both men and women. The women in that underclass who sell sex at a low price are indeed often overweight due to the low-cost, high carb / sugar diet they eat, use illegal drugs, and attract the interest of law enforcement because the are known to use illegal drugs and do their solicitation in a relatively public and / or low-cost manner. The Johns who use them do indeed risk arrest.
You would seem to elevate the males in the category of those willing to sell labor at a price you find unacceptable, by apparently causing a higher price to be paid for that labor. You would apparently force the purchasers of that labor to pay the higher price by denying the purchasers the right to make their products in Asia and other countries where comparable labor is less expensive. You seem to want the USA To return to a 1950's-1970's factory work system where labor was primarily conducted by men due to the physical demands of the work.
In your process of picking winners, you have elevated "blue-collar" men in manufacturing who reside in the United States, and caused an earnings / income decline for manual workers overseas, and investors / management / skilled "white collar" workers in the USA, a large percentage of whom are women.
You seem to want to be certain that commercial sex is available to those blue-collar USA Workers whose wages you have now elevated. You don't seem confident, which I agree with, that the upper-end USA Sex workers will lower their price to serve the newly-enriched manual factory workers, nor that the women from the relatively lower classes will lose weight or stop using drugs (unless they do more manually difficult factory work, and if you pay them the same as men, they may have relatively less incentive to do commercial sex work at the prices you seem to find appropriate). So you seem to have previously advocated that the USA Simply import its commercial sex workers from low-income countries, much like wealthier countries in Europe do with respect to women from Eastern Europe. There is some logic to that, given that "onshoring" more manual factory work to the USA Would cause more poverty abroad.
I simply try to imaging any politician advocating for what you seem to propose, and I shake my head in bewilderment. Isn't it better to just do wealth redistribution if you think the USA Economic system is simply unfair? I am genuinely curious if you would weight the welfare payments more heavily towards men than women?
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COVID-19 makes me angry especially directed to those who have prevented me of enjoying the life I used to have. Keep in mind many of the world pandemic originated in China including this COVID-19 virus.
The people and Chinese government never learn to prevent that to happen again. They keep eating bats, dogs, rats, Lizard, tiggers, etc the main carriier of the deadly pandemic virussess.
Wish all of this would end soon and FKK, RLDs, GD Parties, partytreffs opened and business run as usual.
I just want my life back.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2521266]we aren't going to have much luck with the hardcore Trump supporters, but can win over a sizeable portion of those who voted for him, and in light of the violence at the Capital. That process is already underway. And it's never been about Repubs and Dems, though it's often framed that way.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately Democrat / Liberal vs Republican / Conservative is still a lot major problem.
It's all on the Democrats now. The winnable right of center crowd will not be swayed if the Democratic party continues to use emotional, racial, and moral pandering as part of their messaging campaigns. Racism and violence against black people, while a real issue, is overblown and worsened by making it politically incorrect to place any responsibility on the black community itself whatsoever. American Healthcare while flawed, has it's merits. America is the mecca of medical innovation, the center for development of standards of care, and our system allows for those who don't use many of its services to choose to not pay for more than their fair share. Basically the "Save the Civil Rights of Transgender Whales by Driving Electric Vehicles" motto of American Liberalism will ensure that we will not see the last of Trump or a clone of his. The reasonable right-of-center crowd will continue be disgusted by the Democrat shallow pandering and we may continue to devolve as a nation.
Like I said, it's all on the Dems now. The opportunity is there to win over those of us who are looking for authentic, competent, truth-based leadership where the primary political tool is truth-telling rather than pulling at emotional and moral heartstrings.
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[QUOTE=Adindas;2521498]COVID-19 makes me angry especially directed to those who have prevented me of enjoying the life I used to have. Keep in mind many of the world pandemic originated in China including this COVID-19 virus.
The people and Chinese government never learn to prevent that to happen again. They keep eating bats, dogs, rats, Lizard, tiggers, etc the main carriier of the deadly pandemic virussess.
Wish all of this would end soon and FKK, RLDs, GD Parties, partytreffs opened and business run as usual.
I just want my life back.[/QUOTE]Everyone especially mongers, hookers and those in the airline and hotel industries are angry because of covid 19. However, there is nothing that one can do but wait it out. We should try to make the best of it. With the money one is saving perhaps one can undertake long overdue house renovations or other things one has been putting off for a long time. I have renewed acquaintances with long time friends. I just discovered that one of my female friends from over 30 years ago had a stroke and is in a nursing home. I will be visiting her today. There are many things we can do before this pandemic is over can we can get back to pursuing our favorite pastime.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2521518] I just discovered that one of my female friends from over 30 years ago had a stroke and is in a nursing home. I will be visiting her today. There are many things we can do before this pandemic is over can we can get back to pursuing our favorite pastime.[/QUOTE]This is a nice sentiment. Very positive. It won't be long now. We had the long bike ride up the hill, we have the crest and soon the fast descent to the finish line. Like all men, this summer we will be in the clubs, and we will be looking at breasts and our minds will have forgotten all our sorrow.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2521442]Again, I don't say no problem in France, when more than 68000 deaths from covid is unfortunately much too much, but we seem better than UK and Germany at the moment and fortunately for us, we don t have a Trump. We also fight against terrorism with deaths for us. But we have high quality of life, higher than Germany or UK for my tastes. I like London, but I would not go to Germany for else than brothels, even Bavaria is beautiful, but I don t go to ski there because we have better places in France, despite famous Kandahar Garmisch Partenkirchen. Except for Verbier, Switzerland is also only for brothels now for me and I buy Swiss white chocolate now in France, to pay tax for my country. When Romanian girls tell me I should visit their beautiful country, I may never go, but I answer they have to be proud of their origin, even they were born poor. I was lucky to have great parents and I m proud to be French, even bad French, but I know what I want.[/QUOTE]Do you know why the emblem of France is the rooster (LE coq) just because it is the only animal able to sing the feet's in the shit. We have no choice about our origin so why should we be proud for that. I am just living now in a country where the police is doing their job, where the criminals are going to jail, where the neighbours respect each other, where my 2 daughters can go party at any time of the night without taking any risk. Do I wish to go back to France, of course not, it is just a crazy nightmare to thinking about it.
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[QUOTE=Adindas;2521498]COVID-19 makes me angry especially directed to those who have prevented me of enjoying the life I used to have. Keep in mind many of the world pandemic originated in China including this COVID-19 virus.
The people and Chinese government never learn to prevent that to happen again. They keep eating bats, dogs, rats, Lizard, tiggers, etc the main carriier of the deadly pandemic virussess.
Wish all of this would end soon and FKK, RLDs, GD Parties, partytreffs opened and business run as usual.
I just want my life back.[/QUOTE]From 1918 to 1924 a lot of people like you were saying that the flue was coming from Spain even Spanish people were killed for that, today it is the Chinese, please let us be a little bit reasonable nobody knows from where this virus is coming from and it doesn't matter at all, the problem is what are we doing now to fight against the virus, but for some people it seems the main focus is more to going again to prostitutes in Germany.
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Sounds Good
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2521502]Unfortunately Democrat / Liberal vs Republican / Conservative is still a lot major problem.
It's all on the Democrats now. The winnable right of center crowd will not be swayed if the Democratic party continues to use emotional, racial, and moral pandering as part of their messaging campaigns. Racism and violence against black people, while a real issue, is overblown and worsened by making it politically incorrect to place any responsibility on the black community itself whatsoever. American Healthcare while flawed, has it's merits. America is the mecca of medical innovation, the center for development of standards of care, and our system allows for those who don't use many of its services to choose to not pay for more than their fair share..[/QUOTE]But I disagree that it is "all on the Dems now." The Repubs also have a part to play, especially in the matter of rejecting the many outright lies in Trumpism. There's an alternate universe out there in social media that is in our politics, and in the WH for a bit longer, from Covid denialism, stop the steal lies, new world order nonsense, and a whole culture of conspiracy theory peddlers and followers. They need to come to reality.
And you simply miss the mark with the "chicken and egg" angle, implying the Dems or "liberals" or the "politically correct" or whatnot are responsible for Trump, and thus need to back off in order for him or his movement to go away. If you want to play chicken and egg you can go back to the roots of this country and the white male privilege written into the founding documents. From there you can reference all the attempts in various generations at seeing structural change and the corresponding resistance from those in greater positions of power, chicken and egg galore.
Putting all the responsibility on one side is the last thing we need to do actually. We need to tone it down, seek understanding, dispel myths, and seek compromise. Hard work for sure, but that's democracy. But yea, we've had this discussion before. I'm a white guy with a southern accent. You're an Asian guy. You may think you know how many "conservative" or whatever American white guys talk off the record among themselves, but I don't believe it. I know because I'm perceived as safe. I'll inform the members here that it's often ugly, stereotypical, and often fueled with epithets. That also includes white law enforcement officers I've known. So yea, the property damage and violence that has occurred at some protests associated with BLM is wrong, but the heart of their concerns is right on. And I'll add that your use of the world "politically correct" isn't going to go far in forwarding the needed discussions. It's essentially a wholesale dismissal of the concerns of the other side. Often what's deemed politically correct is just being polite.
P.S. I was playing hooky today after committing myself to giving up the internet debates given that I'm way behind on some work endeavors. I may or may not continue, plus you are a fight to the death sort of guy, so I'm confident you'd get the last word anyway. Shoobree though will go back and forth with you as long as you want. Though on this one, he probably agrees with you. LOLOL.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2521569]From 1918 to 1924 a lot of people like you were saying that the flue was coming from Spain even Spanish people were killed for that, today it is the Chinese, please let us be a little bit reasonable nobody knows from where this virus is coming from and it doesn't matter at all, the problem is what are we doing now to fight against the virus, but for some people it seems the main focus is more to going again to prostitutes in Germany.[/QUOTE]We know covid started in China in October 2019 and Chinese government lied for months. They threatened doctor Li, now they lost Alibaba boss who disappeared.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2521567]Do you know why the emblem of France is the rooster (LE coq) just because it is the only animal able to sing the feet's in the shit. We have no choice about our origin so why should we be proud for that. I am just living now in a country where the police is doing their job, where the criminals are going to jail, where the neighbours respect each other, where my 2 daughters can go party at any time of the night without taking any risk. Do I wish to go back to France, of course not, it is just a crazy nightmare to thinking about it.[/QUOTE]Yes in China you can be put in jail or disappear when you criticize government, in Switzerland you can be put in jail without any proof you are guilty, France respect much more human rights and I m not afraid by my shadow. France is not responsible of Muslims and Jews history, but on first day I arrived in Sarcelles with my RS500, I felt like a foreigner there, but I saw a Caucasian woman and only with her eyes and sending so much love to everybody, Jews and Muslims who are population there, all followed a small woman, because they all knew she worked to help them, when she cried at home, but always big smile and ready to listen and help them. She made quiet between these 2 religions. On my first visit in US, I met a French woman there, nothing about sex, she proposed me to go to Orlando Disney, when I found Miami boring after visiting Everglades, Keys and Hemingway house and Xanadu Bahamas. I wanted to go to Downtown, but in mid 90's everybody told me too dangerous for a white. So, I rent a car and ler's go, 4 straight lines, Chevrolet going on her own and after few kilometers, police car behind with light on roof, policeman coming from his car with hand on gun, knocking at window I didn't want to open when I saw where was his hand. He understood we were foreigners, I explained him I was not used to drive in US and about speed when 95 for I think 60 or 80 LIMIT, he told me he could put me in jail, but French woman told him: but I want to enjoy Mickey, please, and not even a fine, not a Swiss robber, not meaning Swiss people I like, are robbers.
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Tokyo in island is now under covid, not better than elsewhere. Olympics are in danger, and wet hot Summer is not good time for resistance sports, even dangerous for marathon and long distance walking. China also confine again some places. Now South African and Brazilian mutants, when UK mutant make panic in Western Europe. Hard times to come. Wish vaccine will protect old and medical.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2521609]But I disagree that it is "all on the Dems now." The Repubs also have a part to play, especially in the matter of rejecting the
And you simply miss the mark with the "chicken and egg" angle, implying the Dems or "liberals" or the "politically correct" or whatnot are responsible for
Putting all the responsibility on one side is the last thing we need to do actually. We need to tone it down, seek understanding, dispel myths, and seek compromise. Hard work for sure, but that's democracy. But
P.S. I was playing hooky today after committing myself to giving up the internet debates given that I'm way behind on some work endeavors. I may or may not[/QUOTE]I wasn't being literal with the phrase, "it's all on the Democrats. " I simply meant that they wield most of the power now and if the party would tone down the bullshit, heartstring pulling rhetoric and start focusing on policy, then we may get somewhere. The very small amounts of condemnation of the summer racial protest was just that, giving them a covid social distance pass due to emotional policy and platform while just one week earlier scrutinizing the protest by redneck militia guys.
Yes conservative politicians and voters bear some responsibility and also have a role to play in avoiding the American apocalypse but the Dems have all of the votes. And if the Dems in charge would stop the emotion pandering, then they may win over more people who are put off by a platform based on political correctness by being polite as you say.
Yes, we can play chicken and egg arguments as referenced in private inbox discussions, but blaming wasn't my priority. I meant that the rise of Trump was enabled by this emotionally charged iteration of the "Progressive" movement, one that is more void of actual policy and focuses more on what sounds good in political theater rather than actual reality-based policy. Yes racism exists and many people harbor racial stereotypes, but things like portraying mass murder of "completely innocent" black men by police officers as based soley on color of skin, as if the nature of poor black American culture and norms of communication and what is considered nonaggressive behavior has nothing to do with a lack of understanding between people from different social backgrounds. Or the fact that the president elect committed to a female vice president before vetting all candidates purely for the sake of signaling that Dems are the party of gender equality.
I'm not sure what you mean by you being white with me being Asian and not knowing how many white guys say racist things in private and why that matters. Yeah, lots of white guys are racists, lots aren't. I don't think being a white person yourself in a country as large and as diverse as the USA really gives you much more insight. Or I can also say that your perception of white male racist prevalence may be skewed to the percentages inherent to the older male generation which does not extrapolate to the younger (one would think) less racist generation.
We'll see if this gets through as it seems that the mods are quite inconsistent with what they let through. Is this too much racial talk? Or is is it okay since it favors a particular side?
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2521518]Everyone especially mongers, hookers and those in the airline and hotel industries are angry because of covid 19. However, there is nothing that one can do but wait it out. We should try to make the best of it. With the money one is saving perhaps one can undertake long overdue house renovations or other things one has been putting off for a long time. I have renewed acquaintances with long time friends. I just discovered that one of my female friends from over 30 years ago had a stroke and is in a nursing home. I will be visiting her today. There are many things we can do before this pandemic is over can we can get back to pursuing our favorite pastime.[/QUOTE]This is encouraging. Thanks for the reminder.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2521569]
... the problem is what are we doing now to fight against the virus, but for some people it seems the main focus is more to going again to prostitutes in Germany.[/QUOTE]Well, do not forget these WGs need us as much as we need them. All of the girls working in the FKKs are self-employed they sell something and we buy, transaction happen. Everyone happy, so happy days.
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[QUOTE=Tintin1;2521540]This is a nice sentiment. Very positive. It won't be long now. We had the long bike ride up the hill, we have the crest and soon the fast descent to the finish line. Like all men, this summer we will be in the clubs, and we will be looking at breasts and our minds will have forgotten all our sorrow.[/QUOTE]Very good!
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2521609]But I disagree that it is "all on the Dems now." The Repubs also have a part to play, especially in the matter of rejecting the many outright lies in Trumpism. There's an alternate universe out there in social media that is in our politics, and in the WH for a bit longer, from Covid denialism, stop the steal lies, new world order nonsense, and a whole culture of conspiracy theory peddlers and followers. They need to come to reality.
And you simply miss the mark with the "chicken and egg" angle, implying the Dems or "liberals" or the "politically correct" or whatnot are responsible for Trump, and thus need to back off in order for him or his movement to go away. If you want to play chicken and egg you can go back to the roots of this country and the white male privilege written into the founding documents. From there you can reference all the attempts in various generations at seeing structural change and the corresponding resistance from those in greater positions of power, chicken and egg galore.
Putting all the responsibility on one side is the last thing we need to do actually. We need to tone it down, seek understanding, dispel myths, and seek compromise. Hard work for sure, but that's democracy. But yea, we've had this discussion before. I'm a white guy with a southern accent. You're an Asian guy. You may think you know how many "conservative" or whatever American white guys talk off the record among themselves, but I don't believe it. I know because I'm perceived as safe. I'll inform the members here that it's often ugly, stereotypical, and often fueled with epithets. That also includes white law enforcement officers I've known. So yea, the property damage and violence that has occurred at some protests associated with BLM is wrong, but the heart of their concerns is right on. And I'll add that your use of the world "politically correct" isn't going to go far in forwarding the needed discussions. It's essentially a wholesale dismissal of the concerns of the other side. Often what's deemed politically correct is just being polite..[/QUOTE]Too funny, how do you think Blacks, Latinos, Arabs and Asians are talking among themselves about other races? I know since I've close friends of different ethnicties. I've so many fun anecdotes on that subject.
Speaking of history, are you even aware of how many Africans were sold into slavery by other Africans, some times even by members within their own tribe. Slavery was a part of African culture. Whites didn't create it, they did however partake in it. Slavery still exists mainly in Arab / North African countries like Mauritania and Libya to mention two countries. Mauritania didn't make slavery illegal until 1981.
[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/jun/08/the-unspeakable-truth-about-slavery-in-mauritania[/URL]
[URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/when-the-slave-traders-were-african-11568991595[/URL]
A large number of European sailors were forced into slavery by North Africans.
[URL]https://news.osu.edu/when-europeans-were-slaves--research-suggests-white-slavery-was-much-more-common-than-previously-believed/[/URL]
Racism isn't a white thing, its universal. The key to progress is equal treatment and stop pointing out one ethnicity as responsible for all racism. Not only is it untrue, its causing more friction. There's a reason why POC are mainly moving to USA and not from USA.
[URL]https://www.nas.org/blogs/article/where_did_we_get_the_idea_that_only_white_people_can_be_racist[/URL]
[URL]https://meaww.com/tucker-carlson-accuses-kristen-clarke-joe-biden-pick-as-doj-civil-rights-division-racism-harvard[/URL]
[URL]https://www.jns.org/biden-nominee-for-justice-department-invited-anti-semite-to-harvard-university/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.ibtimes.sg/kristen-clarke-bidens-civil-rights-division-appointee-black-supremacist-54877[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Adindas;2521666]Well, do not forget these WGs need us as much as we need them. All of the girls working in the FKKs are self-employed they sell something and we buy, transaction happen. Everyone happy, so happy days.[/QUOTE]Sorry they don't need us they need our money, but what are most doing with their money? Most of the girls even with good business for many years have no savings, they are just spending their money on useless things. Sad for them. In this difficult times my target is not to support the P6 industry like the P6 industry will not support me: Every one is life.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2521632]Yes in China you can be put in jail or disappear when you criticize government, in Switzerland you can be put in jail without any proof you are guilty, France respect much more human rights and I m not afraid by my shadow. France is not responsible of Muslims and Jews history, but on first day I arrived in Sarcelles with my RS500, I felt like a foreigner there, but I saw a Caucasian woman and only with her eyes and sending so much love to everybody, Jews and Muslims who are population there, all followed a small woman, because they all knew she worked to help them, when she cried at home, but always big smile and ready to listen and help them. She made quiet between these 2 religions. On my first visit in US, I met a French woman there, nothing about sex, she proposed me to go to Orlando Disney, when I found Miami boring after visiting Everglades, Keys and Hemingway house and Xanadu Bahamas. I wanted to go to Downtown, but in mid 90's everybody told me too dangerous for a white. So, I rent a car and ler's go, 4 straight lines, Chevrolet going on her own and after few kilometers, police car behind with light on roof, policeman coming from his car with hand on gun, knocking at window I didn't want to open when I saw where was his hand. He understood we were foreigners, I explained him I was not used to drive in US and about speed when 95 for I think 60 or 80 LIMIT, he told me he could put me in jail, but French woman told him: but I want to enjoy Mickey, please, and not even a fine, not a Swiss robber, not meaning Swiss people I like, are robbers.[/QUOTE]I drove millions of kilometers in my life, in many different countries, was only controlled 1 time in Morocco by the Gendarmerie Royale even 0 control in Namibia, Senegal. I never got any ticket. I also worked in Switzerland and never got any problems with the police. The road is not a place to express our frustrations, (big cars small dicks: those who are thinking that they are better drivers than the others should go on racing circuits.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2521685]Too funny, how do you think Blacks, Latinos, Arabs and Asians are talking among themselves about other races? I know since I've close friends of different ethnicties. I've so many fun anecdotes on that subject.
Speaking of history, are you even aware of how many Africans were sold into slavery by other Africans, some times even by members within their own tribe. Slavery was a part of African culture. Whites didn't create it, they did however partake in it. Slavery still exists mainly in Arab / North African countries like Mauritania and Libya to mention two countries. Mauritania didn't make slavery illegal until 1981.
A large number of European sailors were forced into slavery by North Africans.
Racism isn't a white thing, its universal. The key to progress is equal treatment and stop pointing out one ethnicity as responsible for all racism. Not only is it untrue, its causing more friction. There's a reason why POC are mainly moving to USA and not from USA.[/QUOTE]Well, we were talking about the USA so methinks that enslaved white people have nothing to do with this conversation.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2521660]I wasn't being literal with the phrase, "it's all on the Democrats. " I simply meant that they wield most of the power now and if the party would tone down the bullshit, heartstring pulling rhetoric and start focusing on policy, then we may get somewhere. The very small amounts of condemnation of the summer racial protest was just that, giving them a covid social distance pass due to emotional policy and platform while just one week earlier scrutinizing the protest by redneck militia guys.
Yes conservative politicians and voters bear some responsibility and also have a role to play in avoiding the American apocalypse but the Dems have all of the votes. And if the Dems in charge would stop the emotion pandering, then they may win over more people who are put off by a platform based on political correctness by being polite as you say.[/QUOTE]As usual we mostly agree, and I see that I misinterpreted parts of your post. I'm a lifelong Dem but am not on board with the far left wing of the party like Bernie, Warren, and the squad. Though the right likes to focus on them, they are a minority. As you can see none from that group became the presidential nominee, nor did they in 2016. We are a centrist country, and that's what we need to return to and maintain.
I'm convinced that Trump was a backlash to the first black president. In fact that's where it all started, with the Obama birther nonsense, and the lies just kept coming. It's a culture of dishonesty and conspiracy theories that Repubs need to be open to leaving behind.
The reason Biden picked a woman VP is because we needed to up our game with suburban women in order to win. Is no different than McCain's choice of Palin. Or when Cruz picked the woman Trump called ugly, Fiorina prior to even obtaining the nomination. These are just calculated political decisions, strategies to lure women voters.
Yes racism is engrained in US culture from the start, and was maintained through mediums like minstrel shows, the mockery of black children in literature, household products and brands, and the list goes on. What's been most concerning recently is the fleeing unarmed black suspects that were shot in the back, the case where suspects said they couldn't breathe and the cop didn't let up, and the lynching of the jogger Ahmaud Arbrey in Georgia.
Yea is true I tend hang with an older crowd when with other whites, and younger white guys as a whole are better on race, but still have a good ways to go. I got to hear plenty of chatter from younger racists when teaching at a private school. It comes with an hier of superiority, which is often unwarranted. For example when comparing a racist trailer park white to a successful professional black, the former looks like a fool.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2521735]I drove millions of kilometers in my life, in many different countries, was only controlled 1 time in Morocco by the Gendarmerie Royale even 0 control in Namibia, Senegal. I never got any ticket. I also worked in Switzerland and never got any problems with the police. The road is not a place to express our frustrations, (big cars small dicks: those who are thinking that they are better drivers than the others should go on racing circuits.[/QUOTE]This is why I only have compact, not heavy cars, maximum 1350 kgs and quattro is not the best as I tell Audi, because when you learned about dynamic at school, then you know weight is the enemy for movement and making inerty. For German DTM, Audi would take TT or A3, for WRC A1 , because more sporty potential than trucks Q or too heavy A4, A6 and A8, powerful, but not sporty, but you just have to know how work a car, to play with grip limit and then you understand easily. German autobahns, Italy between Tarvisio and south Torino, are relaxing for me, Switzerland is so stressful nightmare, seeing RSQ or Panamera like snails. All my Swiss overspeed were under 120 km / h on autobahn, but leading to jail with Albanian drugs dealer.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2521279]Seem also now South African one who could be more powerful and not sure vaccine will be efficient. Anyway World Health organization said not enough vaccine on 2021 to get immune population. For healthy, maybe to catch and train own soldiers to fights all mutants. Healthy, well trained lungs should help.[/QUOTE]I'm afraid I was right and really wish to mistake, but not enough vaccines, Germany and France will have to make less vaccines or only first time injection because of lack, so I wish at least old and medical who don't deserve to die when trying to cure or save us, will be protected, but no vaccine for others, so covid and mutants will keep on spreading on 2021. At least no confine in France, but dodo at 6 pm, like chickens, when schools are closed in Germany, catastrophe in UK and Ireland or Denmark. I will keep on working, outside in the cold, on the field, like proud rooster, even I don't sing so good.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2521731]Sorry they don't need us they need our money, but what are most doing with their money? Most of the girls even with good business for many years have no savings, they are just spending their money on useless things. Sad for them. In this difficult times my target is not to support the P6 industry like the P6 industry will not support me: Every one is life.[/QUOTE]Do you think the people need to clarify the obvious? How did they get your money if you have not booked them??
You also often hear celebrities needs journalists as much as the journalists need them. It is obviously this referring to news.
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New lockdown in France.
Congratulations.
Forbidden to go outdoors after 18.00 in 2 weeks.
How many times has France induced such restrictions?
10 or 15 times?
And no gains at all.
Only gigantic costs.
Cheers from Sweden.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2521896]I'm convinced that Trump was a backlash to the first black president. In fact that's where it all started, with the Obama birther nonsense, and the lies just kept coming. It's a culture of dishonesty and conspiracy theories that Repubs need to be open to leaving behind.
The reason Biden picked a woman VP is because we needed to up our game with suburban women in order to win. Is no different than McCain's choice of Palin. Or when Cruz picked the woman Trump called ugly, Fiorina prior to even obtaining the nomination. These are just calculated political decisions, strategies to lure women voters.[/QUOTE]I agree that Trump's election was made possible in part by a racist reaction to Obama. But to say that is the primary reason belittles what may be a more complex, more consequential social-political energy of the late 2000's and first half of 2010's. Obama was not the only development of that time. The Tea Party gained more prominence, at least it became a more vocal and perhaps more unified sect of various populist movements in the past. Even Occupy Wall-street on the opposite end of the spectrum harbored a similar anti-elitist energy. The difference is that the Tea Partiers actually organized and got officials elected. My point is, simply putting all of the emphasis on racism, ignores a much deeper and more complex reason to explain the rise of Trumpism. It is indeed largely cultural but not merely or primarily anti-black.
As for the reasoning for Kamala as VP pick, I get the theory but that is what I mean, was it actually effective? And why did he have to openly commit to a female in the first place? In that pandering, did she really have an effect? Biden did take a substantial amount of suburban women, but was it due to the Harris pick or did Trump and all his ways already pushed them there? One thing's for sure, the Harris pick did not sway white suburban women, as they went Trump 50-55% in both elections, perhaps slightly in higher percentages in 2020 than in 2016.
[URL]https://www.thecut.com/amp/2020/11/many-white-women-still-voted-for-trump-in-2020.html[/URL]
Imagine if Biden picked a candidate with more substance, the results of the election may never have been in doubt. Imagine if he picked someone like Andrew Yang, a candidate that actually had substance and was known for having cross appeal to many Trump voters. Or if insisted on picking a minority woman, why Kamala? She probably had the leadt substance of the bunch and was the one who least genuinely harvests the energy of people of her ethnic background. She's basically a brown Hilary, a Karen if you will. A candidate of more substance and less polarizing would have been a Stacey Abrams or even a Tulsi Gabbard.
Not to make light of all of your other points on racism but I'm just choosing not to address them as I don't think there is anything to expand on, as anyone who took it upon themselves to just be familiarized with the racial dynamics history in America would be familiar with those realities. That and this is entirely the wrong audience for such topics, not that we've haven't already strayed well far from the special topics at hand.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2521936]This is why I only have compact, not heavy cars, maximum 1350 kgs and quattro is not the best as I tell Audi, because when you learned about dynamic at school, then you know weight is the enemy for movement and making inerty. For German DTM, Audi would take TT or A3, for WRC A1 , because more sporty potential than trucks Q or too heavy A4, A6 and A8, powerful, but not sporty, but you just have to know how work a car, to play with grip limit and then you understand easily. German autobahns, Italy between Tarvisio and south Torino, are relaxing for me, Switzerland is so stressful nightmare, seeing RSQ or Panamera like snails. All my Swiss overspeed were under 120 km / h on autobahn, but leading to jail with Albanian drugs dealer.[/QUOTE]My target when I am driving is to go from one place to another by respecting the rules and the others. For decades I am driving Land Cruiser diesel, heavy, conformable and reliable cars. I never drive more than 130 km / h, I feel safe and never had any accident. I listen to my radio or podcasts.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2521896]As usual we mostly agree, and I see that I misinterpreted parts of your post. I'm a lifelong Dem but am not on board with the far left wing of the party like Bernie, Warren, and the squad. Though the right likes to focus on them, they are a minority. As you can see none from that group became the presidential nominee, nor did they in 2016. We are a centrist country, and that's what we need to return to and maintain.
I'm convinced that Trump was a backlash to the first black president. In fact that's where it all started, with the Obama birther nonsense, and the lies just kept coming. It's a culture of dishonesty and conspiracy theories that Repubs need to be open to leaving behind.
The reason Biden picked a woman VP is because we needed to up our game with suburban women in order to win. Is no different than McCain's choice of Palin. Or when Cruz picked the woman Trump called ugly, Fiorina prior to even obtaining the nomination. These are just calculated political decisions, strategies to lure women voters.
Yes racism is engrained in US culture from the start, and was maintained through mediums like minstrel shows, the mockery of black children in literature, household products and brands, and the list goes on. What's been most concerning recently is the fleeing unarmed black suspects that were shot in the back, the case where suspects said they couldn't breathe and the cop didn't let up, and the lynching of the jogger Ahmaud Arbrey in Georgia.[/QUOTE]Racism is coming from every where, not only white against black but also black against white. For me the main reason is that today there is no homogeneity in our western style countries and even more importantly the society is split in so many different groups, the Latinos, the Chinese, the white, the blacks but also the gay, the lesbians, the people from the big cities, the rural, and so many more. The governments are weaker and weaker unable to be above al those groups and to federate a common dream. On top of that you had politicians like Trump who create even more confusions, segregations, racism and you can t be very optimistic for the future.
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[QUOTE=Adindas;2521970]Do you think the people need to clarify the obvious? How did they get your money if you have not booked them??
You also often hear celebrities needs journalists as much as the journalists need them. It is obviously this referring to news.[/QUOTE]Most of us have different targets in life and our targets fluctuate, to make it simple my targets today are very different from those 30 years back. My first one is to keep healthy, my second is to try to increase my welfare to secure even more my future. After 15 years of mongering with thousand of experiences I am at the end of this journey, I have more pleasure to look for a new classic car than to book a new escort.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2521936] All my Swiss overspeed were under 120 km / h on autobahn, but leading to jail with Albanian drugs dealer.[/QUOTE]So you admit you were speeding and in the end you ended up in jail because you didn't pay. You break the law, there are consequences.
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[QUOTE=Tintin1;2521540]This is a nice sentiment. Very positive. It won't be long now. We had the long bike ride up the hill, we have the crest and soon the fast descent to the finish line. Like all men, this summer we will be in the clubs, and we will be looking at breasts and our minds will have forgotten all our sorrow.[/QUOTE]When won't have enough vaccine to stop spreading with already 3 mutants now, wish at least less deaths, protecting old, medical and wish also for weak. Maybe when hot weather will come, can also help, but not sure Germany big brothel will open soon, when Germany suffer more at the moment than under first wave, even closing schools and stayed closed on last Summer when didn't have so many deaths. LR asked for negative test, when reopening after Summer. Samya, Gold, Bab didn't.
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[QUOTE=Arnold15;2521973]New lockdown in France.
Congratulations.
Forbidden to go outdoors after 18.00 in 2 weeks.
How many times has France induced such restrictions?
10 or 15 times?
And no gains at all.
Only gigantic costs.
Cheers from Sweden.[/QUOTE]France is not closed, schools and many stores are still open, when not too much snow. We can still go to work outside whole day in the cold, to be with our team, and we don t have 1000 deaths per day. If we get allowance, we can work outside after 6 pm with no problem, in cold night. A lot of snow on this Winter, maybe because less pollution and hear from industries. For positive, we may breathe more pure air, to clean our lungs, to be strong versus virus and UK, South African and Brazilian.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2521731]Sorry they don't need us they need our money, but what are most doing with their money? Most of the girls even with good business for many years have no savings, they are just spending their money on useless things. Sad for them. In this difficult times my target is not to support the P6 industry like the P6 industry will not support me: Every one is life.[/QUOTE]
I think it is better to put in a more blatant and vulgar ways. We need their pus*sies as much as they need our money, LOL.
They sell services with expectation someone is buying it and we buy those services.
Now Everyone is happy. The prossies, the punters, the states (they get tax), The policemen (make their job easier as there will be less crime on the street, less problem with raped, sex assaults, etc). Also keep in mind, there is no harm of providing the services, in fact we are helping them to feed their family at home.
Also do not forget puss*es and cockies always come hand in hand, it is good combination, a god given.
So, I will argue the prostitution is good for community as long as no one / no party engaging this business has been forced.
The parties who are against it, the "Femen activists", the religious organisations. They try to propose banning simply because they do not like it Not becuase it causes a problem to cummunity. If the activity is banned, all parties, the punter, prossies, the state, the police will be effected but it will not have impact on these femen and religious organisation.
As a punter remember the word "yolo" (you only live once)
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Never knew so many posters were from Sweden. I've noticed at least 4 somewhat regulars here over these past several months. And all but one have have similar ways of thinking and writing. Either Swedes are truly a homogenous society or a group of Swedish have discovered ISG and are now having loads of fun.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2522026]Most of us have different targets in life and our targets fluctuate, to make it simple my targets today are very different from those 30 years back. My first one is to keep healthy, my second is to try to increase my welfare to secure even more my future. After 15 years of mongering with thousand of experiences I am at the end of this journey, I have more pleasure to look for a new classic car than to book a new escort.[/QUOTE]But you are still daily stuck here, rather than cutting link with this business. I can't believe you miss guys and girls in this business interest. But you are right to save your money, but I won t need when I will die, and to save your health. From my sports and tests results, I trust mine and look forward my sports, if they open lift, it will be maximum attack and making lines in what we call puff.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2522087]So you admit you were speeding and in the end you ended up in jail because you didn't pay. You break the law, there are consequences.[/QUOTE]My A3 even quattro and improved, is not able to go on her own, but my meaning was only very small overspeed in 80 or 100 limit zones on autobahns, never under tunnels because I remember Sion crash killing so many children. I was never caught on overspeed in Switzerland, so according to human rights, if no proof I was the driver, then I m innocent and put in jail, like in dictatures or China. Switzerland don t respect human rights and not only about me, but a poor guy not paying bus ticket when he took to try to find a job, yes he was not blond Swiss, but more clever than average of guys.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2521786]Well, we were talking about the USA so methinks that enslaved white people have nothing to do with this conversation.[/QUOTE]You're wrong, it's just that you don't understand how it fits in.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2522013]My target when I am driving is to go from one place to another by respecting the rules and the others. For decades I am driving Land Cruiser diesel, heavy, conformable and reliable cars. I never drive more than 130 km / h, I feel safe and never had any accident. I listen to my radio or podcasts.[/QUOTE]A bad guy following all girls and hiding under beds, a bad driver for more than 1500 kms every week end, when I should lose 8 points in 6 months in France and was really lucky when on motorbikes gendarmerie told me they had to push really hard to catch me testing new A1 40 TSFI which could be fun with Shiftech improvement as always, fortunately flashing me at the beginning of acceleration up to 210 on GPS for 110 on limit, but no racket nor jail when 0 alcohol of course, in France. Each time, gendarmerie asking me: Your car works quite well, and I answer: but I don't drink nor drug.
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They all have a strong herd immunity fetish but at least some of them have a basic knowledge of good manners.
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"Centrist country" LMFAO!
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2521896]As usual we mostly agree, and I see that I misinterpreted parts of your post. I'm a lifelong Dem but am not on board with the far left wing of the party like Bernie, Warren, and the squad. Though the right likes to focus on them, they are a minority. As you can see none from that group became the presidential nominee, nor did they in 2016. We are a centrist country, and that's what we need to return to and maintain.
I'm convinced that Trump was a backlash to the first black president. In fact that's where it all started, with the Obama birther nonsense, and the lies just kept coming. It's a culture of dishonesty and conspiracy theories that Repubs need to be open to leaving behind.
The reason Biden picked a woman VP is because we needed to up our game with suburban women in order to win. Is no different than McCain's choice of Palin. Or when Cruz picked the woman Trump called ugly, Fiorina prior to even obtaining the nomination. These are just calculated political decisions, strategies to lure women voters.[/QUOTE]So please explain in what way Kristen Clarke is a "centrist"? She's apparently a black supremacist and in no way less deranged than any of the established Republicans.
What's apparent to me is that either you don't know black people or you do know black people and support black supremacists. Racism among blacks against white people just reached an all time high.
Blacks have themselves to blame for their bad reputation. After all, blacks having a bad limitation due to their actions isn't exclusive to USA, but is a world wide sentiment.
[URL]https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2020/12/30/ethiopian-refugee-symbol-of-integration-in-italy-killed-on-farm[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2522148]Never knew so many posters were from Sweden. I've noticed at least 4 somewhat regulars here over these past several months. And all but one have have similar ways of thinking and writing. Either Swedes are truly a homogenous society or a group of Swedish have discovered ISG and are now having loads of fun.[/QUOTE]Haha, what a joke. You don't know much / anything about Sweden.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2522182]But you are still daily stuck here, rather than cutting link with this business. I can't believe you miss guys and girls in this business interest. But you are right to save your money, but I won t need when I will die, and to save your health. From my sports and tests results, I trust mine and look forward my sports, if they open lift, it will be maximum attack and making lines in what we call puff.[/QUOTE]Yes I like to write in English every day, if you check a little bit you will see that usually I am doing it in the night (I am also checking what the Nikkei and HKEX) or in the evening after finishing my work, never during day time. I had very few contacts with guys in the FKK, usually they always asked me about the girls (I never share any info about a girl) or there were speaking to rudely for me.
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[QUOTE=Adindas;2522146]I think it is better to put in a more blatant and vulgar ways. We need their pus*sies as much as they need our money, LOL.
They sell services with expectation someone is buying it and we buy those services.
Now Everyone is happy. The prossies, the punters, the states (they get tax), The policemen (make their job easier as there will be less crime on the street, less problem with raped, sex assaults, etc). Also keep in mind, there is no harm of providing the services, in fact we are helping them to feed their family at home.
Also do not forget puss*es and cockies always come hand in hand, it is good combination, a god given.
So, I will argue the prostitution is good for community as long as no one / no party engaging this business has been forced.
The parties who are against it, the "Femen activists", the religious organisations. They try to propose banning simply because they do not like it Not becuase it causes a problem to cummunity. If the activity is banned, all parties, the punter, prossies, the state, the police will be effected but it will not have impact on these femen and religious organisation.
As a punter remember the word "yolo" (you only live once)[/QUOTE]I am afraid that they are not supporting their families but their pimps. I control my libido and if there is no prostitution I will not rape a girl, very strange mindset even to make this kind of correlation.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2522204]You're wrong, it's just that you don't understand how it fits in.[/QUOTE]Wrong about what? That two other people were talking about American racism and some rando comes talking about North African and Offshore slavery? I feel like you're having more fun on the American politics thread. They bukkake on your face a little more to your liking.
Also, you've "unbanned" me I see, LOL. Pathetic show of self restraint.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2522210]They all have a strong herd immunity fetish but at least some of them have a basic knowledge of good manners.[/QUOTE]It is strange that I've counted at least 4 of them and 3 seem to be very similar. It's as if 3 teenage boys got together and started trolling the same board.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2522247]I am afraid that they are not supporting their families but their pimps. I control my libido and if there is no prostitution I will not rape a girl, very strange mindset even to make this kind of correlation.[/QUOTE]Not all have pimps. Not even most. I don't think even half.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2522247]I am afraid that they are not supporting their families but their pimps. I control my libido and if there is no prostitution I will not rape a girl, very strange mindset even to make this kind of correlation.[/QUOTE]This is another bollock especially from a person who have visited FKK many times in the pasts. If the girls are not making money to support their family at home, why do you think they keep coming back to FKKs after having a break in their home countres?
Also do not forget pimping is illegal, if pimping is the general case in FKK why do FKKS still exist to this date? If an informed punter knows a certain FKKs are overwhelmed by the trafficked girls who have been forced to go into prostitution, they will report it here on ISG to warn the fellow punters or report it to the police. Keep in mind the people visit FKK to have a good time not to getinto trouble. But This is not to suggest there is not any pimping or trafficking case in FKKs. But like in any other business criminals are everywhere and simply cannot be eliminated entirely.
It will need to differentiate between service agents and pimps. Agent provides a service helping to match the customer and service providers without using any force, pimps are not. Agents are legal and therefore entitled to make profit for the value they have created. Agents is anywhere even in higly paid job, not just in prostitution. Examples : Job agents, Excecutive Head-hunters, Footballers Agent, etc.
I never say that the punters will not be able to control their sexual desire and will rape the girl if the prostitution is not available or banned entirely. But the statistics around the world has shown that there is a strong correlation between the availability of paid sex and rape case. Just look at the rape case of domestic workers coming from poor countries in Asia in middle east and compare it to the rape case in Germany.
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[QUOTE=Adindas;2522462]This is another bollock especially from a person who have visited FKK many times in the pasts. If the girls are not making money to support their family at home, why do you think they keep coming back to FKKs after having a break in their home countres?
Also do not forget pimping is illegal, if pimping is the general case in FKK why do FKKS still exist to this date? If an informed punter knows a certain FKKs are overwhelmed by the trafficked girls who have been forced to go into prostitution, they will report it here on ISG to warn the fellow punters or report it to the police. Keep in mind the people visit FKK to have a good time not to getinto trouble. But This is not to suggest there is not any pimping or trafficking case in FKKs. But like in any other business criminals are everywhere and simply cannot be eliminated entirely.
It will need to differentiate between service agents and pimps. Agent provides a service helping to match the customer and service providers without using any force, pimps are not. Agents are legal and therefore entitled to make profit for the value they have created. Agents is anywhere even in higly paid job, not just in prostitution. Examples : Job agents, Excecutive Head-hunters, Footballers Agent, etc..[/QUOTE]Just advice you to wait outside the FKK 30 minutes before opening (not at the entry but 100, 200 meters) to watch which kind of cars are dropping the working girls and which kind of men are driving them to their "work". I can t accept this correlation between prostitution and rape, are you saying that Chinese, Japanese, Korean men are rapping when they are in the middle east?
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2522496]Just advice you to wait outside the FKK 30 minutes before opening (not at the entry but 100, 200 meters) to watch which kind of cars are dropping the working girls and which kind of men are driving them to their "work". I can t accept this correlation between prostitution and rape, are you saying that Chinese, Japanese, Korean men are rapping when they are in the middle east?[/QUOTE]A handful of old BMWs and MBs are seen dropping girls off. More arrive in Taxi's often with 2 or 3 girls sharing a car. At Sharks, I often park across the street where the lover boys and pimps wait and there are hardly ever more than 2-3 cars waiting for girls at the end of the night. I do see many more girls hoping into taxi's. The largest group just sleep in the clubs.
Plenty of research has been done to support the correlation of decreased sexual violence-rape and legalized prostitution. Some even show a decline in sexually transmitted diseases due to regulation and education.
[URL]https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1002680[/URL]
[URL]http://www.restud.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/MS21721manuscript.pdf[/URL]
[URL]https://pubs.aeaweb.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1257/pol.20150299[/URL]
[URL]https://www.independent.org/pdf/working_papers/50_prostitution.pdf[/URL]
Not to mention a decrease in drug use:
[URL]https://www.emcdda.europa.eu/attachements.cfm/att_34571_EN_NR2005Netherlands.pdf[/URL]
But be fair, there's some research that supports the counter argument, but they seem to be in the minority.
[URL]http://www.economics-human-trafficking.org/mediapool/99/998280/data/Cho_An_Analysis_of_Sexual_Violence_ADP_9_1_12-34.pdf[/URL]
[URL]https://digitalcommons.uri.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1175&context=dignity[/URL]
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2522496]are you saying that Chinese, Japanese, Korean men are rapping when they are in the middle east?[/QUOTE]He meant that Middle Eastern men are abusing and raping their imported domestic workers. These women come from Indonesia, the Philippines, and various African countries.
[URL]https://news.trust.org/item/20141023104335-s8zo7/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/fr/node/196097[/URL]
[URL]https://www.arabnews.com/node/1751651/middle-east[/URL]
[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/foreign-domestic-workers-suffer-abuse-in-mideast/a-16423615[/URL]
[URL]https://gal-dem.com/i-was-screaming-but-there-was-no-one-around-the-exploitation-of-domestic-workers-in-the-gulf-region/[/URL]
[URL]https://english.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2017/12/13/dubai-man-62-accused-of-raping-domestic-worker[/URL]
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2522496]
Just advice you to wait outside the FKK 30 minutes before opening (not at the entry but 100, 200 meters) to watch which kind of cars are dropping the working girls and which kind of men are driving them to their "work" [/QUOTE]
You refused to answer these questions:
If the girls are not making money to support their family at home, why do you think they keep coming back to FKKs after having a break in their home countries?. If they were forced to become a prostitute, and they managed to escape as they are already in safe hand at home, are they going to come backk at the same place ?
Pimping is illegal. There are significant number of Girls woking in FKKs. if pimping was a pandemic in FKK why do FKKS still exist to this date? If you are pretty sure they have been trafficked / pimped why did not you report it to the authority??
About the transportation you see before FKK opening, it is the fact that these girls mostly from Romania are just a short term (say 1-3 months) in FKKs in Germany before having a break home. So, it is difficult for them to get a proper renting arrangement for such short period of time such as those a permanent workers, students will get.
So, in many cases the FKK need to provide them accommodation to rent. Some of the accommodation are within walking distance within FKKs some are not, so to save cost of taxi the FKK or their agent are helping them by providing transportation services between venue and home.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2522496]
I can t accept this correlation between prostitution and rape, are you saying that Chinese, Japanese, Korean men are rapping when they are in the middle east? [/QUOTE]
Another misunderstanding. I never said the Asian guys are raping them when they are in middle east. There are a lot of news the domestic workers sexual abuse done by their hosts/masters(or family members/ realtives) in middle east. It is significantly higher than those in Germany.
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Unfortunately, many girls and not only Romanians but also Germans, are pimped. I remember one at LR buying him a car with her first month earning and having to return to be fucked much earlier than she told me when she flied home. Many have taxi pimp, some have pimp at home in Romania. Pimp meaning a guy who live with WG money or get money from her. I will have to keep on improving to give orgasmus because if many say thank You, but none bought me a car, I have to work to pay. Some Germans have pimp name written on them, telling this is brother.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2522358]Not all have pimps. Not even most. I don't think even half.[/QUOTE]Yes they don't have pimps. They have lover boys you know the perfect man who loves and cares about them, respects and supports them for having sex w / other men for money. Wonder what they think their men are doing while they're busy banging other dudes. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them left them for other women since that money well has run dry the past year.
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[QUOTE=Adindas;2522574]If the girls are not making money to support their family at home, why do you think they keep coming back to FKKs after having a break in their home countries?. If they were forced to become a prostitute, and they managed to escape as they are already in safe hand at home, are they going to come backk at the same place?.[/QUOTE]They come back because they can't give up the fast money and don't want to work at the supermarket.
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[QUOTE=Palcon;2522584]They come back because they can't give up the fast money and don't want to work at the supermarket.[/QUOTE]
Say that to ExpatLover. He still believes these FKK girls are not making money and they have been pimped, so working against their will. If this thing was true than all of us the FKK visitors were taking part in a crime business. Also, it was an insult to German law enforcers as if they did not aware of the biggest crime in humanity In front of their eyes. But this is not to suggest there is not any pimping or trafficking case in FKKs. But like in any other business criminals are everywhere and simply cannot be eliminated entirely.
It will need to differentiate between service agents and pimps. Agent provides a service helping to match the customer and service providers without using any force, pimps are not. Agents might also provide accomodation, transportation, travel arragement for a fee. Agents are legal and therefore entitled to make profit for the value they have created. Agents are everywhere even in highly paid jobEsuch job agents, Excecutive Head-hunters, Footballers Agent, etc, , not only in escort businesses.
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[QUOTE=Palcon;2522583]Yes they don't have pimps. They have lover boys you know the perfect man who loves and cares about them, respects and supports them for having sex w / other men for money. Wonder what they think their men are doing while they're busy banging other dudes. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them left them for other women since that money well has run dry the past year.[/QUOTE]While the lover boy phenomenon is real, that seems to be more prevalent to the newer girls. Some of these girls speak openly about how they got in the business and how they've become independent. At Sharks, many of the cliques even take some newer girls under their wing and eventually depose the lover boys. A lot of these girls end up connecting with me on Instagram and I often see the moment when a girl transcends the lover boy stage into the independent stage. Usually it's when they start posting things like vacationing outside of Europe or get a driver's license.
[QUOTE=Palcon;2522584]They come back because they can't give up the fast money and don't want to work at the supermarket.[/QUOTE]Yes, 20 something year old prostitutes have bad money habits. Not exactly a shocking observation.
The bigger point is that unlike EPL suggests, perhaps you are too, they do indeed help their families also. And as previously discussed, I don't think the pimp-lover boy phenomenon is as prevalent as suggested. Definitely not with the rise of smart phones, utility apps, ease of transport in these past 10 years. Basically, I'm saying that some of the older mongers have older perceptions and have not kept up with how the WG's lives within the industry have changed.
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[QUOTE=Adindas;2522587]Say that to ExpatLover. He still believe these FKK girls are not making money and they have been pimped, so working against their will.
It will need to differentiate between service agents and pimps. Agent provides a service helping to match the customer and service providers without using any force, pimps are not. Agents are legal and therefore entitled to make profit for the value they have created. Agents is anywhere even in higly paid job, not just in prostitution. Examples: Job agents, Excecutive Head-hunters, Footballers Agent, etc.[/QUOTE]Hmm you're both right. They definitely make money. Most of these girls don't know what a pimp is. Their boyfriends / husband "supports" them to do sex work. It's not against their will since they believe their pimps loves them and she's working so they can have have a better life together. I've known a few girls some luckier than others where their pimps stole everything from them. Some of them are more patient than others and wait to get married to take the house and wipe out the bank account.
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[QUOTE=Palcon;2522593]Hmm you're both right. They definitely make money. Most of these girls don't know what a pimp is. Their boyfriends / husband "supports" them to do sex work. It's not against their will since they believe their pimps loves them and she's working so they can have have a better life together. I've known a few girls some luckier than others where their pimps stole everything from them. Some of them are more patient than others and wait to get married to take the house and wipe out the bank account.[/QUOTE]
Taking advantage from a friend, boyfriend, girls' friends are not a crime as long as coercive force are not used. It is everywhere not just in prostitution business. The well-known term for that is "friends with benefits".
Also I do not believe these "friend with benefit" are majority of cases in FKKs, keep in mind many of them already have children at home.
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[QUOTE=Adindas;2522599]Taking advantage from a friend, boyfriend, girls' friends are not a crime as long as coercive force are not used. It is everywhere not just in prostitution business. The well-known term for that is "friends with benefits".
Also I do not believe these "friend with benefit" are majority of cases in FKKs, keep in mind many of them already have children at home.[/QUOTE]Pimps don't always use coercion they can also employ manipulation. Yes the benefit is they'll take some or all of the girl's earnings at some point idk how that benefits the girls. But the term you're using "friends with benefits" refers to the guy getting pussy. Yes. I'm aware many of them have children at home and are still working because they're single moms or their pimps raided their savings. I will be happy when the clubs reopen. Girls w/ pimps will be back and there should be an influx of new girls.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2522148]Never knew so many posters were from Sweden. I've noticed at least 4 somewhat regulars here over these past several months. And all but one have have similar ways of thinking and writing. Either Swedes are truly a homogenous society or a group of Swedish have discovered ISG and are now having loads of fun.[/QUOTE]I randomly struck up a conversation in Artemis with a guy from Malmö. Later in the evening we bumped into his friend's son in the club who was also from Malmö! I do try to tell people I meet and get along with about ISG, we all use aliases here though so wouldn't know if any joined.
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[QUOTE=Adindas;2522587]Say that to ExpatLover. He still believes these FKK girls are not making money and they have been pimped, so working against their will. If this thing was true than all of us the FKK visitors were taking part in a crime business. Also, it was an insult to German law enforcers as if they did not aware of the biggest crime in humanity In front of their eyes. But this is not to suggest there is not any pimping or trafficking case in FKKs. But like in any other business criminals are everywhere and simply cannot be eliminated entirely.
It will need to differentiate between service agents and pimps. Agent provides a service helping to match the customer and service providers without using any force, pimps are not. Agents might also provide accomodation, transportation, travel arragement for a fee. Agents are legal and therefore entitled to make profit for the value they have created. Agents are everywhere even in highly paid jobEsuch job agents, Excecutive Head-hunters, Footballers Agent, etc, , not only in escort businesses.[/QUOTE]You are taking part in nothing, it is legal in Germany and you should not be aware what is behind the scene. Like when you go to a restaurant you are not aware if the cook is a illegal migrant. You are not willing to understand the reality sorry it is your problem, of course the girls are not beaten every morning to go working, but the have a strong affective relation with a kind of BF who is benefiting from her money.
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[QUOTE=Adindas;2522599]Taking advantage from a friend, boyfriend, girls' friends are not a crime as long as coercive force are not used. It is everywhere not just in prostitution business. The well-known term for that is "friends with benefits".
Also I do not believe these "friend with benefit" are majority of cases in FKKs, keep in mind many of them already have children at home.[/QUOTE]No it is not the majority just 80%, probably more in some FKK always the same attitude when the reality does' t match our own beliefs the reality does' t exists. So much more comfortable to think that most of the girls are there because they like sex, they are students, they work for supporting their sister and brother, to pay for the cancer treatment of the grand father and so on. But the reality is quite different.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2522581]Unfortunately, many girls and not only Romanians but also Germans, are pimped. I remember one at LR buying him a car with her first month earning and having to return to be fucked much earlier than she told me when she flied home. Many have taxi pimp, some have pimp at home in Romania. Pimp meaning a guy who live with WG money or get money from her. I will have to keep on improving to give orgasmus because if many say thank You, but none bought me a car, I have to work to pay. Some Germans have pimp name written on them, telling this is brother.[/QUOTE]For sure, most of girls don t say when they have BF and giving him our money or buying him car at home or to taxi her, but World or Oase shows with so many taxi BF, talk and I'm pretty sure same in many other clubs. When girls know being pimped is not good for image and business, when some guys don t want to give money to lazy pimps and this is not a good woman image for me, but on the other hand, very exciting for me to make cum divorced or little mum, repeating my life, or pimped or telling to have BF, Domenika a real Hungarian was fun for this and playing Hanibal Lecter with her coming earlier period, at Bruggen. Of course, some like one at Sharks prefer to make very wise business social media profile to catch their targets, better for business to make dream guys, than much less attractive truth. How many social media profiles show truth? Or maybe more what they want to show and play. I believe what I see with my own 2 small eyes.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2522787]With the vicissitudes of salaries for ordinary workers today the prices for p4p in the US has not budged downwards. During this pandemic period the best that has happened is that the charges by escorts remain the same. If a pandemic cannot bring down the costs of our favorite hobby nothing will.[/QUOTE]I agree. Supply has met demand for high-end escorts in the USA, and there ain't much that can be done about it.
[URL]https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/273955[/URL]
There are much better prices for lower-end ladies in the U. S, but seeing them often entails accepting that they use drugs, are physically unattractive, often mentally unbalanced, and come from a market source that involves a significant chance of encountering law enforcement.
A solution would be for increased immigration of ladies predisposed to do commercial sex work, but that ain't going to happen in the USA A major effort occurred about a decade ago by USA Immigration and Border Patrol to keep Canadian escorts from touring the northeast. It was unfortunately quite successful, and many Canadian escorts were forced to accept a ten year ban from entering the USA After being confronted with Internet information regarding their planned tours after having the contents of their bags searched and inventoried. They still speak bitterly about it on the Canadian discussion boards, with good reason. So there is zero percent chance the USA Will ever let in the multitudes of ladies from Eastern Europe, South America, and Mexico / Central America that are significantly responsible for the low prices in developed countries like Germany, Spain and Portugal. The local Spanish and Portuguese providers simply price match the immigrants, so their pricing effect is definitely there, even if difficult to quantify. The number of hot Venezuelans currently advertising and being reviewed on the Spanish review boards is amazing.
From a long-term business marketing perspective, this USA Model of independent escorts getting the highest possible short-term price is indeed quite bad from a standpoint of building any loyalty from young men of modest means. Just a few days ago, I noticed a tweet asking that customers give a voluntary donation to their favorite Onlyfans lady, because many of them were emotionally traumatized by the mean comments right below this article, and on the twitter feed for the article.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/13/business/onlyfans-pandemic-users.html[/URL]
Based on the twitter and Facebook profiles of many commentators leaving comments that the ladies found objectionable, many were in fact young men. A brothel or escort agency would realize that setting a price for inclusive of young men earning relatively less might get them a customer who would do business with them for forty or fifty years. An independent escort presumably has less incentive to do so. Although it would still make sense for them to privately offer such deals, at least in my opinion. Maybe some do when they encounter a young guy who they like and who might be a customer for a long time?
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2522754]How many social media profiles show truth? Or maybe more what they want to show and play. I believe what I see with my own 2 small eyes.[/QUOTE] Fake lives just like their designer clothes
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And also some girls pimping other girls, explaining them such business when they are at home in Romania or Hungary, giving them information, and after asking them to pay, usually 50 € in NRW, per girl per day they work. Daria at LR was pimped by a girl who informed her for such job, Karina was probably also. A Hungarian pimped another Hungarian at Bruggen. How could girls find brothels address and which one to choose from their deep Romania where most come from, how could they pay the trip, do they ask their parents for such information, or at school? I also remember a Romanian / Hungarian star at Bruggen kicked in face by another girl pimp. Pimping mean taking money from a prostitute, being bought a car is also pimping, unfortunately polizei can t do anything because these girls think and say their BF, but these guys would leave like rabbits if they didn't get money from their beloved GF fucked by everybody to make money for them. A bad guy like me would never ask my beloved GF to go to fuck with other guys to bring me money. Shame for these guys, not real men for me, probably why most of girls find what I think quite normal Caucasian size, too big and they are not used to in business and with BF pimp.
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[QUOTE=Palcon;2522815]Fake lives just like their designer clothes[/QUOTE]Agreed on that. Yes social media is a constructed image. But that other dude commenting is not clever enough to spot the fake from the real.
Point however, was that there are trends you see that differentiate the girls who are completely independent and ones who still have lover boys. Getting a driver's license, buying a home, vacationing anywhere not Spain, Italy, or Turkey, those signs are correlated with girls who are free of lover boys. Some even make a permanent move to Germany and acquire part time jobs (tax purposes I believe). One GT girl told me how she was wrestling with the job and hiding it from her new German boyfriend.
Others even help other girls in the business. One Acapulco girl would even drive another girl to work on days that she was not working herself.
Anyway, it's not 2010 anymore and many of these girls are more capable than some here give them credit for. While many girls are still coerced by "boyfriends", to say that 80% of girls have pimps and lover boys is laughable to me and just reflects how out of touch some of the guys are.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2519274]You're such a moron, it's not possible for you to see my posts if I put you on ignore. So it basically serves as a ban. How dumb are you?
I know that you're scared of my posts because you can't argument against them.[/QUOTE]English speakers and literates would say, and write this:
"Because you can't argue against them".
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2519274]You've already embarrassed yourself [/QUOTE]There you go.
Projecting again.
SMH.
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Enjoy the killer vaccine guys! Apparently lots of people have died from just one jab. Let see how many dies from the 2nd one! Or wait, its being censored by most countries. Just like Facebook and twitter! LOL.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2522210]They all have a strong herd immunity fetish but at least some of them have a basic knowledge of good manners.[/QUOTE]Funny to hear that from you considering that the French are considered as the rudest and most arrogant people of Europe.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2522326]Wrong about what? That two other people were talking about American racism and some rando comes talking about North African and Offshore slavery? I feel like you're having more fun on the American politics thread. They bukkake on your face a little more to your liking.
Also, you've "unbanned" me I see, LOL. Pathetic show of self restraint.[/QUOTE]You're lack of intelligence is showing. Apparently you're unable to connect the dots.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2522328]It is strange that I've counted at least 4 of them and 3 seem to be very similar. It's as if 3 teenage boys got together and started trolling the same board.[/QUOTE]Funny that you, the poster boy of the Dunning-Kruger effect, is commenting on others considering that you seem to be a troll with a inferiority complex.
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Yanks
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2522911]Funny to hear that from you considering that the French are considered as the rudest and most arrogant people of Europe.[/QUOTE]Don't leave out the ugly Americans, "some we can assume, are good people".
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2522913]Funny that you, the poster boy of the Dunning-Kruger effect, is commenting on others considering that you seem to be a troll with a inferiority complex.[/QUOTE]How's that "ban" going? Apparently not so good. Hope the bukkake is going better.
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[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2522936]Don't leave out the ugly Americans, "some we can assume, are good people".[/QUOTE]Can't forget the Chinese either. As the Chinese middle class grows, they are quickly becoming known to travel in large packs while on holiday and be absurdly unaware of how their noisiness disturbs the ambiance. I remember being in serene locales in Vietnam and Portugal only to have the majesty of the natural surroundings ruined by busloads of Chinese tourists invading like locust. Ugh, they're the worst.
Even the Vietnamese government had to ban Chinese tourists at one point, citing "uncivilized" behavior. When a third world country calls a nation's people uncivilized, there's a problem.
[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/ampe.vnexpress.net/news/travel-life/vietnam-sees-host-of-problems-as-it-hosts-chinese-tourists-3754368.html[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Rambambinoz;2522633]I randomly struck up a conversation in Artemis with a guy from Malm. Later in the evening we bumped into his friend's son in the club who was also from Malm! I do try to tell people I meet and get along with about ISG, we all use aliases here though so wouldn't know if any joined.[/QUOTE]Due to flight patterns through Berlin, I think you do see more Swedes at Artemis. I've only met 3 in the Frankfurt-NRW clubs. Only one of them was an ethnic Swede though. All seemed to be very pleasant guys. Oddly enough, against the popular stereotype, the ethnic Swede was the most social and we've even tried to coordinate FKK meet ups since then. Perhaps it's because he said that he wasn't so fond of German and Turkish-German cultural attitudes, finding preference toward the Brits and Americans.
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[QUOTE=Rambambinoz;2522633]I randomly struck up a conversation in Artemis with a guy from Malm. Later in the evening we bumped into his friend's son in the club who was also from Malm! I do try to tell people I meet and get along with about ISG, we all use aliases here though so wouldn't know if any joined.[/QUOTE]I once saw my neighbour at a club. That was interesting.
I'm sure plenty of Swedes go to clubs but it would mostly be alone unlike the groups you sometimes hear from other countries. I rarely hear Swedish spoken in the clubs and when I hear it it's typically young middle eastern guys.
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Prediction
With the new corona-variant, they won't open prostitution unless the covid-incidence rate sinks below 25 - I am still optimistic we get to this by May 1st- but imo not before.
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This is how the ignore function works.
So I don't have to read shooTroll's constant flow of stupidities coming from his crooked brain, only some glimpses when someone quotes him.
And I advised everyone to do the same because it's basically a waste of time to try to talk some sense into someone like him.
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2523060]With the new corona-variant, they won't open prostitution unless the covid-incidence rate sinks below 25 - I am still optimistic we get to this by May 1st- but imo not before.[/QUOTE]1st May of which year?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2522964]Due to flight patterns through Berlin, I think you do see more Swedes at Artemis. I've only met 3 in the Frankfurt-NRW clubs. Only one of them was an ethnic Swede though. All seemed to be very pleasant guys. Oddly enough, against the popular stereotype, the ethnic Swede was the most social and we've even tried to coordinate FKK meet ups since then. Perhaps it's because he said that he wasn't so fond of German and Turkish-German cultural attitudes, finding preference toward the Brits and Americans.[/QUOTE]
I have met more than ten people from Sweden in FKKs and GBs party. I am not quite sure whether they are swedish ethnic though.
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There is no way I could know whether these girls will hand the money partly or fully to her Boyfriends or someone else. After I hand in the money it is no longer my money, it is already their money. And like us they could do whatever they want with their own money.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2523079]This is how the ignore function works.
So I don't have to read shooTroll's constant flow of stupidities coming from his crooked brain, only some glimpses when someone quotes him.
And I advised everyone to do the same because it's basically a waste of time to try to talk some sense into someone like him.[/QUOTE]Haha, the bigtroll is crying.
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Good luck with that highly experimental and more or less untested "vaccine" guys!
[URL]http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/2021/january/10/a-nursing-home-had-zero-coronavirus-deaths-then-it-vaccinates-residents-for-coronavirus-and-the-deaths-begin/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.rt.com/usa/512830-griner-mother-pfizer-vaccine-video/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.rt.com/usa/512825-moderna-california-vaccine-adverse-reactions/[/URL]
I'm in my lower 50's and I'll take my chances with a flu that has a 0. 05% death rate for people under 70. (page 7) [URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf[/URL].
P.S. I'm not an anti-vaxxer To the contrary, as a child I've been normally inoculated for the usual things like polio and the measles, but only with vaccines that have been thoroughly tested. This mRNA "Covid19 vaccine" has simply never been tested thoroughly tested, because normal testing for a vaccine takes 5-10 years and not 7-8 months.
With the "English mutation," they (WEF, Global Elites) will keep this lockdown game going until all businesses are small and medium bankrupt, and world communism with state controlled banks and multinational corporations will take over. Remember folks, a 0,05% death rate for people under 70!
Protect the old and the vulnerable, and release the rest of the population from this Covid Prison!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2522964]I've only met 3 in the Frankfurt-NRW clubs. Only one of them was an ethnic Swede though. All seemed to be very pleasant guys. Oddly enough, against the popular stereotype, the ethnic Swede was the most social and we've even tried to coordinate FKK meet ups since then. Perhaps it's because he said that he wasn't so fond of German and Turkish-German cultural attitudes, finding preference toward the Brits and Americans.[/QUOTE]Stereotypes are just generalizations. Individuals can often vary from the stereotype. In this video where random Swedes are approached in the street, the first 32 seconds address two instances when Swedes become "totally different people" and are actually friendlier: (1) when they are abroad and (2) when they have had a drink. When her friend talks about how Swedes open up after having a drink, the mixed black girl (does not look Eritrean or Somalian) bursts out laughing. Presumably because it conjured up many funny memories of drunken Swedish friends that became embarrassingly jovial: [URL]https://youtu.be/sTXuQLfuMsg[/URL].
Wiki says that: "As of 2017, the percentage inhabitants with a foreign background in Sweden had risen to 24.1% I suspect Gen Z Swedish, who grow up in a more multicultural context, socializing differently than older Swedes. Median age in Sweden is 41 yo, and I would imagine that most Swedish mongers in FKKs would be slightly older. These people would have come of age in the more homogenous 1970's and 1980's.
The 24 percent figure seems high. I assume they are including people who have at least one foreign parent. Such as the famous footballer, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, who was born in Sweden. Both his parents immigrated from Yugoslavia in the late 1970's. Nevertheless, immigration has increased over time: [URL]https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/SWE/sweden/immigration-statistics[/URL].
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2523234]Stereotypes are just generalizations. Individuals can often vary from the stereotype. In this video where random Swedes are approached in the street, the first 32 seconds address two instances when Swedes become "totally different people" and are actually friendlier: (1) when they are abroad and (2) when they have had a drink. When her friend talks about how Swedes open up after having a drink, the mixed black girl (does not look Eritrean or Somalian) bursts out laughing. Presumably because it conjured up many funny memories of drunken Swedish friends that became embarrassingly jovial: [URL]https://youtu.be/sTXuQLfuMsg[/URL].
Wiki says that: "As of 2017, the percentage inhabitants with a foreign background in Sweden had risen to 24.1% I suspect Gen Z Swedish, who grow up in a more multicultural context, socializing differently than older Swedes. Median age in Sweden is 41 yo, and I would imagine that most Swedish mongers in FKKs would be slightly older. These people would have come of age in the more homogenous 1970's and 1980's.
The 24 percent figure seems high. I assume they are including people who have at least one foreign parent. Such as the famous footballer, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, who was born in Sweden. Both his parents immigrated from Yugoslavia in the late 1970's. Nevertheless, immigration has increased over time: [URL]https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/SWE/sweden/immigration-statistics[/URL].[/QUOTE]Was just pointing out something unexpected and a small data set. Not a criticism.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2523230]Good luck with that highly experimental and more or less untested "vaccine" guys!
[URL]http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/2021/january/10/a-nursing-home-had-zero-coronavirus-deaths-then-it-vaccinates-residents-for-coronavirus-and-the-deaths-begin/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.rt.com/usa/512830-griner-mother-pfizer-vaccine-video/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.rt.com/usa/512825-moderna-california-vaccine-adverse-reactions/[/URL]
I'm in my lower 50's and I'll take my chances with a flu that has a 0. 05% death rate for people under 70. (page 7) [URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf[/URL].
P.S. I'm not an anti-vaxxer To the contrary, as a child I've been normally inoculated for the usual things like polio and the measles, but only with vaccines that have been thoroughly tested. This mRNA "Covid19 vaccine" has simply never been tested thoroughly tested, because normal testing for a vaccine takes 5-10 years and not 7-8 months.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure what thoroughly tested means to you. What could they have done differently?
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2523217]Haha, the bigtroll is crying.[/QUOTE]At least he knows how the ignore feature works. Bukkake!
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[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2522799]I agree. Supply has met demand for high-end escorts in the USA, and there ain't much that can be done about it.
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There are much better prices for lower-end ladies in the U. S, but seeing them often entails accepting that they use drugs, are physically unattractive, often mentally unbalanced, and come from a market source that involves a significant chance of encountering law enforcement.
A solution would be for increased immigration of ladies predisposed to do commercial sex work, but that ain't going to happen in the USA A major effort occurred about a decade ago by USA Immigration and Border Patrol to keep Canadian escorts from touring the northeast. It was unfortunately quite successful, and many Canadian escorts were forced to accept a ten year ban from entering the USA After being confronted with Internet information regarding their planned tours after having the contents of their bags searched and inventoried. They still speak bitterly about it on the Canadian discussion boards, with good reason. So there is zero percent chance the USA Will ever let in the multitudes of ladies from Eastern Europe, South America, and Mexico / Central America that are significantly responsible for the low prices in developed countries like Germany, Spain and Portugal. The local Spanish and Portuguese providers simply price match the immigrants, so their pricing effect is definitely there, even if difficult to quantify. The number of hot Venezuelans currently advertising and being reviewed on the Spanish review boards is amazing.[/QUOTE]But Biden will open again the boarders the 20 so the offer will increase.
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I don't really see such a difference in younger ethnic Swedes compared to yesteryear. Differences are mostly related to relations between the sexes and some political topics but not on the topic we're discussing here. He can say what he wants but someone on this forum stereotypes heavily as middle eastern, probably Assyrian or maybe Iranian. If he really is ethnic Swedish he knows that this is what his behaviour is like. The way he acts isn't how Swedes would behave even on internet forums such as Flashback (any Swede would know that one). Mr Assyria would be banned quickly on a forum that allows discussion on various topics such as the Jewish conspiracy to control the world, revisionism, using hard drugs etc.
Regarding migrant background it helps to understand that probably a majority of them would be white by all US definitions of the term. One can extrapolate trends if one wants and see that immigration these days mostly comes from outside Europe but historically this hasn't been the case. Up to about 2000 most of them were Europeans. Even after 2000 plenty of people have arrived from Eastern Europe, former Yugoslavia etc.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2523234]Stereotypes are just generalizations. Individuals can often vary from the stereotype. In this video where random Swedes are approached in the street, the first 32 seconds address two instances when Swedes become "totally different people" and are actually friendlier: (1) when they are abroad and (2) when they have had a drink. When her friend talks about how Swedes open up after having a drink, the mixed black girl (does not look Eritrean or Somalian) bursts out laughing. Presumably because it conjured up many funny memories of drunken Swedish friends that became embarrassingly jovial: [URL]https://youtu.be/sTXuQLfuMsg[/URL].
Wiki says that: "As of 2017, the percentage inhabitants with a foreign background in Sweden had risen to 24.1% I suspect Gen Z Swedish, who grow up in a more multicultural context, socializing differently than older Swedes. Median age in Sweden is 41 yo, and I would imagine that most Swedish mongers in FKKs would be slightly older. These people would have come of age in the more homogenous 1970's and 1980's.
The 24 percent figure seems high. I assume they are including people who have at least one foreign parent. Such as the famous footballer, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, who was born in Sweden. Both his parents immigrated from Yugoslavia in the late 1970's. Nevertheless, immigration has increased over time: [URL]https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/SWE/sweden/immigration-statistics[/URL].[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2523060]With the new corona-variant, they won't open prostitution unless the covid-incidence rate sinks below 25 - I am still optimistic we get to this by May 1st- but imo not before.[/QUOTE]Germany is a bit in trouble now with virus. Wish Switzerland, land of money, will reopen earlier, when few clubs are still open there, until 7 pm. Ski is also open in Switzerland, Austria and Spain should also open soon. Wish for France, to give employment, and for pleasure and adrenaline I miss. I think great puff on this Wnter, just have to go through avalanches. Kitzbuhel Streiff on next week end and after Cortina Tofane World championships, as soon open, I will make a scratch on French motorway to taste puff, to fly in powder.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2523252]But Biden will open again the boarders the 20 so the offer will increase.[/QUOTE]Hunter Biden could have gone to FKK or with his taste to Thailand or Philippines to hunt prostitutes, then those photos would have never surfaced, instead he mongered back home and in China LOL!
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2523230]P.S. I'm not an anti-vaxxer To the contrary, as a child I've been normally inoculated for the usual things like polio and the measles, but only with vaccines that have been thoroughly tested. This mRNA "Covid19 vaccine" has simply never been tested thoroughly tested, because normal testing for a vaccine takes 5-10 years and not 7-8 months.[/QUOTE]Obviously someone has not been paying attention, there are good reasons why these vaccines are being distributed in 10 months instead of 10 years. No time has been wasted in getting these vaccines tested and approved TO THE SAME HIGH STANDARDS as other vaccines. Other vaccines could be tested at the same speed if the money was there, the staff, the resources, the regulators, the approvals were all ready to go after each step of the process, and don't forget how many people stepped up to volunteer in great numbers, nobody ever responds so willingly when other vaccines require testing.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2523245]I'm not sure what thoroughly tested means to you. What could they have done differently?[/QUOTE]How are you going to test for long term effects in 7-8 months?
This is the very reason why vaccines usually take about 10 years to develop, before they are released upon the unsuspecting public! (I thought that this would have been obvious to you, being "medical expert?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2523248]At least he knows how the ignore feature works. Bukkake![/QUOTE]Shit. By quoting him you forced me to read his rants.
The ignore function works perfectly, I wanted to show a screen capture but it looks like it doesn't work for non paying members.
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[QUOTE=Downandup;2523409]Obviously someone has not been paying attention, there are good reasons why these vaccines are being distributed in 10 months instead of 10 years. No time has been wasted in getting these vaccines tested and approved TO THE SAME HIGH STANDARDS as other vaccines. Other vaccines could be tested at the same speed if the money was there, the staff, the resources, the regulators, the approvals were all ready to go after each step of the process, and don't forget how many people stepped up to volunteer in great numbers, nobody ever responds so willingly when other vaccines require testing.[/QUOTE]But we don't get enough vaccine for Western Europe, so it will take longer time to vaccine old and weak, and before being able to vaccine many others, old, weak and medical will need again vaccine for next Autumn / Winter. And we don t know yet about South African and Brazilian, when UK is spreading like a fast rabbit. And we experience now after Christmas and new year, like was Thanksgiving.
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There are still several months to go
I came back here after several months because I thought we would have a certain normality around October, but through the news I found another reality. This pandemic will take more time. I always thought that the vaccine could begin to solve the pandemic but now we can see that no matter how many millions of vaccines we have, it will not be easy to reach 70% of vaccinated people in the world. I think we will spend all 2021 vaccinating ourselves.
What I miss the most about traveling is freedom. That wonderful chance to be in a place other than yours with the absolute certainty that everything will be fine every single day later.
After visiting I think 6 years several FKK I always knew that it would be just a chapter (with lots of fun). I will come back one day, without any hurry, when everything is normal, as before the pandemic. I see it difficult for that to happen this summer. See you one day Oase even knowing that many pretty faces will never be there again. I hope you are there Adina or Miss V. See you FKK in several months.
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Vaccination seems to go slower than promised although from my point of view that was entirely expected. For the EU I still wonder about the projected surge in number of vaccinated in Q2. There's some massive guesses involved there.
I hope enought people do get their vaccines. The anti-vaxxers are everywhere and very loud but I really hope they're a small minority. Especially since their stories about Bill Gates, The Great Reset etc are batshit crazy.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2523455]Vaccination seems to go slower than promised although from my point of view that was entirely expected. For the EU I still wonder about the projected surge in number of vaccinated in Q2. There's some massive guesses involved there.
I hope enought people do get their vaccines. The anti-vaxxers are everywhere and very loud but I really hope they're a small minority. Especially since their stories about Bill Gates, The Great Reset etc are batshit crazy.[/QUOTE]What always wonders me is that so few people are questioning the efficiency of the vaccine against he covid and specially the different variants. How many people we all who get the flue vaccine and were already sick, why should it be different with this vaccine? If 10 months back I had tod that the situation will the one we are facing today so many will think I am pessimistic, negative but the reality is that may be in 1 year the situation will be worse than today. The vaccine will probably not be a game changer.