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[QUOTE=Ararat;2523258]I don't really see such a difference in younger ethnic Swedes compared to yesteryear. Differences are mostly related to relations between the sexes and some political topics but not on the topic we're discussing here. He can say what he wants but someone on this forum stereotypes heavily as middle eastern, probably Assyrian or maybe Iranian. If he really is ethnic Swedish he knows that this is what his behaviour is like. The way he acts isn't how Swedes would behave even on internet forums such as Flashback (any Swede would know that one). Mr Assyria would be banned quickly on a forum that allows discussion on various topics such as the Jewish conspiracy to control the world, revisionism, using hard drugs etc.
Regarding migrant background it helps to understand that probably a majority of them would be white by all US definitions of the term. One can extrapolate trends if one wants and see that immigration these days mostly comes from outside Europe but historically this hasn't been the case. Up to about 2000 most of them were Europeans. Even after 2000 plenty of people have arrived from Eastern Europe, former Yugoslavia etc.[/QUOTE]Yikes, you don't have a single post where you don't mention anything about immigrant. The I in ISG doesn't stand for immigrant. It's clear to me that you don't know any Swedes under the age of 50.
I bet you're a member of NMR.
It's funny how I'm being labeled a "white supremacist" by some and a "immigrant" by you. You're all ignorant.
Can you post one, one, single post about fucking?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2523248]At least he knows how the ignore feature works. Bukkake![/QUOTE]Whatever you say tiny dick.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2523258]I don't really see such a difference in younger ethnic Swedes compared to yesteryear. Differences are mostly related to relations between the sexes and some political topics but not on the topic we're discussing here. He can say what he wants but someone on this forum stereotypes heavily as middle eastern, probably Assyrian or maybe Iranian. If he really is ethnic Swedish he knows that this is what his behaviour is like. The way he acts isn't how Swedes would behave even on internet forums such as Flashback (any Swede would know that one). Mr Assyria would be banned quickly on a forum that allows discussion on various topics such as the Jewish conspiracy to control the world, revisionism, using hard drugs etc.
Regarding migrant background it helps to understand that probably a majority of them would be white by all US definitions of the term. One can extrapolate trends if one wants and see that immigration these days mostly comes from outside Europe but historically this hasn't been the case. Up to about 2000 most of them were Europeans. Even after 2000 plenty of people have arrived from Eastern Europe, former Yugoslavia etc.[/QUOTE]You've spent too much time on Flashback and too little in the real world. If you want to speak about inflammatory speech take a look at yourself & several other members. Don't point the finger at me, because it's simply not true.
You honestly seem to be a member of the NMR. You're obsessing over immigrants post after post. It's ridiculous to see. I'm a ethnic Swede, deal with it!
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2523471]Whatever you say tiny dick.[/QUOTE]Devolution and racism. Excellent.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2523413]How are you going to test for long term effects in 7-8 months?
This is the very reason why vaccines usually take about 10 years to develop, before they are released upon the unsuspecting public! (I thought that this would have been obvious to you, being "medical expert?[/QUOTE]Are you sure that is the reason why vaccines usually take up to 10 years to go from bench to market? (It's not).
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2523457]What always wonders me is that so few people are questioning the efficiency of the vaccine against he covid and specially the different variants. How many people we all who get the flue vaccine and were already sick, why should it be different with this vaccine? If 10 months back I had tod that the situation will the one we are facing today so many will think I am pessimistic, negative but the reality is that may be in 1 year the situation will be worse than today. The vaccine will probably not be a game changer.[/QUOTE]Agreed, especially with your last sentence. The Left will need a permanent "crisis" to justify their endless social engineering programs, endless money printing, increasing police state lockdown measures, and increasing wealth confiscation to pay for it all.
By the time all the morons who believe the propaganda have been vaxxed with an untested "vaccine," the virus will have mutated, requiring another round of lockdowns that destroy the economy, and requiring another round of vaxxing with unknown substances.
As Einstein said: "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result."
Any fool here still thinks that this is good? Good luck paying for and planning your next FKK trip to Germany, because I'm afraid that the fall of 2021 will be a repeat of 2020 with most clubs being closed and girls at home with their babushka in Romania.
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It seems like I hit a nerve here.
Bror, it looks like you think it's the ultimate insult that I tell you that your behaviour is stereotypical bad MENA. Quite funny considering you are so quick to insult others.
Maybe you should calm down then if you don't like that characterisation.
Btw,
out there in the real world there are no Swedes that support Donald Trump. Speak up IRL too. Don't be such a coward. I'm sure the way you argue here will make you popular. Like I said, no sane Swede behaves the way you do.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2523502]You've spent too much time on Flashback and too little in the real world. If you want to speak about inflammatory speech take a look at yourself & several other members. Don't point the finger at me, because it's simply not true.
You honestly seem to be a member of the NMR. You're obsessing over immigrants post after post. It's ridiculous to see. I'm a ethnic Swede, deal with it![/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2523543]It seems like I hit a nerve here.
Bror, it looks like you think it's the ultimate insult that I tell you that your behaviour is stereotypical bad MENA. Quite funny considering you are so quick to insult others.
Maybe you should calm down then if you don't like that characterisation.
Btw,
out there in the real world there are no Swedes that support Donald Trump. Speak up IRL too. Don't be such a coward. I'm sure the way you argue here will make you popular. Like I said, no sane Swede behaves the way you do.[/QUOTE]As I wrote earlier, take a look in the mirror. You're a hypocrite and a liar.
You only make yourself look like a weirdo obsessing over immigrants post after post.
You're aware that no real Swede talks the way you're doing? You come across as batshit crazy. I'm not sure if you really are as stupid as you seem on here or if you're simply a dishonest piece of shit.
We all know who the real coward is, you're hiding in your basement while you wouldn't dare to say a word to anyone IRL.
There are many Trump supporters in Sweden, why would you state such a obvious lie?
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2523258]I don't really see such a difference in younger ethnic Swedes compared to yesteryear. Differences are mostly related to relations between the sexes and some political topics but not on the topic we're discussing here.[/QUOTE]Care to elaborate on the differences?
[QUOTE=Ararat;2523258]He can say what he wants but someone on this forum stereotypes heavily as middle eastern, probably Assyrian or maybe Iranian. If he really is ethnic Swedish he knows that this is what his behaviour is like. The way he acts isn't how Swedes would behave even on internet forums such as Flashback (any Swede would know that one). Mr Assyria would be banned quickly on a forum that allows discussion on various topics such as the Jewish conspiracy to control the world, revisionism, using hard drugs etc.
[/QUOTE]Iranians in Sweden are Trumpists?
[QUOTE=Ararat;2523258]Regarding migrant background it helps to understand that probably a majority of them would be white by all US definitions of the term. One can extrapolate trends if one wants and see that immigration these days mostly comes from outside Europe but historically this hasn't been the case. Up to about 2000 most of them were Europeans. Even after 2000 plenty of people have arrived from Eastern Europe, former Yugoslavia etc.[/QUOTE]Skarsgard and Zlatan both seem to have different ways of carrying themselves. They are both white by US definitions, over 40 yo, born and raised in Sweden. Could be down to the individual, but perhaps partly cultural. Skarsgard speaks about "Jantelagen" and how it shapes Swedes, including himself. Zlatan does not seem to adhere to Jantelagen. Skarsgard: [URL]https://youtu.be/fzIa_FNNkWo[/URL], Zlatan: [URL]https://youtu.be/Q1TXk7ZdiQE[/URL].
[QUOTE]Swedes on the other hand remain relatively unnoticed when they reach something extraordinary. They are less prone to bragging. This is because they follow a common rule called the Jantelagen, literally translated: law of Jante. Basically it says that "You are not better than anyone else".
https://hejsweden.com/en/jantelagen-law-of-jante-how-to-be-swedish.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2523413]How are you going to test for long term effects in 7-8 months?
This is the very reason why vaccines usually take about 10 years to develop, before they are released upon the unsuspecting public! (I thought that this would have been obvious to you, being "medical expert?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Downandup;2523409]Obviously someone has not been paying attention, there are good reasons why these vaccines are being distributed in 10 months instead of 10 years. No time has been wasted in getting these vaccines tested and approved TO THE SAME HIGH STANDARDS as other vaccines. Other vaccines could be tested at the same speed if the money was there, the staff, the resources, the regulators, the approvals were all ready to go after each step of the process, and don't forget how many people stepped up to volunteer in great numbers, nobody ever responds so willingly when other vaccines require testing.[/QUOTE]Looks like I don't really have much to add as this poster pretty much sums it up. Funding, recruiting volunteers, wait times, etc were usual obstacles that were bypassed due to necessity.
Same research rigor, less bureaucracy, it's amazing what educated humans can do when we dedicate ourselves to the work at hand.
I guess the first step to any fruitful discussion is for both parties to actually recognize that the coronavirus pandemic is actually a medical threat. My suggestion is to start with reckoning the absurd number of hospitals operating at over 100% normal capacity with one's beliefs that this thing is not a worthy threat. Calling it a flu as per politician speak probably doesn't help.
I sure have never had to factor microembolisms, liver failure, and myocardial damage as much with the flu. Here's a pretty simplified but accurate summary of how SARS-COV2 affects the body and why it's lower cytopathogenicity (tendency to actually outright kill host cells) is actually one of it's greatest advantages. But then again, if one still calls it the flu in January 2021, that same person probably has no interest in actually educating oneself without partisan goals.
[URL]https://www.ucsf.edu/magazine/covid-body[/URL]
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2523457]What always wonders me is that so few people are questioning the efficiency of the vaccine against he covid and specially the different variants. How many people we all who get the flue vaccine and were already sick, why should it be different with this vaccine? If 10 months back I had tod that the situation will the one we are facing today so many will think I am pessimistic, negative but the reality is that may be in 1 year the situation will be worse than today. The vaccine will probably not be a game changer.[/QUOTE]Probably because it's been tested on over 100,000 people and reports consistently show efficacy similar to measles and mumps vaccines rather than the flu vaccine.
The example of the flu vaccine is a real straw man argument that purposefully ignores the efficacy of the plethora of other vaccines such as Hepatitis, Measles, Mumps, Varicella, smallpox, polio, etc.
If the pandemic is worse 6 months from now than it is today, it is because people have not taken the vaccine. And a major reason, besides government incompetence, would be because people are not properly and impartially educating themselves and then disseminating false information to others.
The above post is a clear example of not incorporating new information despite numerous previous efforts to educate said poster.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2523457]How many people we all who get the flue vaccine and were already sick, why should it be different with this vaccine?
The vaccine will probably not be a game changer.[/QUOTE]You keep repeating the same points despite numerous attempts at educating and correcting you on the topic. Let's see how much effect this attempt has in the future.
"SARS-CoV-2 has a proofreading mechanism, which results in a low mutation rate compared to influenza".
"Furthermore, the SARS-CoV-2 low mutation rate suggests that a vaccine, as well as the immunity developed in recovered patients, could provide long-lasting protection compared to vaccines against influenza, which are rendered obsolete as the virus mutates."
[URL]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33064680/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2523570]Care to elaborate on the differences?[/QUOTE]These days they will take care to not see any differences between the sexes. Educated younger people are also very enviromentally conscious.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2523570]Iranians in Sweden are Trumpists?[/QUOTE]If he really is Swede then he's a Sweden Democrat because that's where the only ones who support Trump congregate. I think it's a bit funny that someone like that behaves the way the immigrants these people strongly dislike behave(I mean those immigrants from that background that behave differently).
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2523570]Skarsgard and Zlatan both seem to have different ways of carrying themselves. They are both white by US definitions, over 40 yo, born and raised in Sweden. Could be down to the individual, but perhaps partly cultural. Skarsgard speaks about "Jantelagen" and how it shapes Swedes, including himself. Zlatan does not seem to adhere to Jantelagen. Skarsgard: [URL]https://youtu.be/fzIa_FNNkWo[/URL], Zlatan: [URL]https://youtu.be/Q1TXk7ZdiQE[/URL].[/QUOTE]This is mostly correct. Zlatan is an extreme example but IMO ethnic Swedes behave much more like SkarsgRoad in this example whereas MENA and Yugoslav immigrants don't. Note that this is no judgement call.
Now consider someone who is very brash, easily angered etc. Do you think he's ethnic Swede or immigrant from somewhere south of the Alps? Absolutely stereotyping but if you had to make a guess.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2523565]As I wrote earlier, take a look in the mirror. You're a hypocrite and a liar.
You only make yourself look like a weirdo obsessing over immigrants post after post.
You're aware that no real Swede talks the way you're doing? You come across as batshit crazy. I'm not sure if you really are as stupid as you seem on here or if you're simply a dishonest piece of shit.
We all know who the real coward is, you're hiding in your basement while you wouldn't dare to say a word to anyone IRL.
There are many Trump supporters in Sweden, why would you state such a obvious lie?[/QUOTE]Bror,
Your anger just proves my point.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2523620]Bror,
Your anger just proves my point.[/QUOTE]Horunge, your comments only proves that you haven't taken your meds today.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2523502]You've spent too much time on Flashback and too little in the real world. If you want to speak about inflammatory speech take a look at yourself & several other members. Don't point the finger at me, because it's simply not true.[/QUOTE]Oh goodness. Seeing all of his inflammatory insults in one place juxtaposed to the outright denial makes him seem quite, well, pathological.
Totally "simply not true. "
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2523471]Whatever you say tiny dick.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ShooBree;2522913]Funny that you, the poster boy of the Dunning-Kruger effect, is commenting on others considering that you seem to be a troll with a inferiority complex.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ShooBree;2522912]You're lack of intelligence is showing. Apparently you're unable to connect the dots.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ShooBree;2523217]Haha, the bigtroll is crying.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ShooBree;2522921]Haha, you're a pathetic hater.
You're a liar, just admit it.
You're a simpleminded weirdo. A disgusting, lying libtard with hate in your heart.
I find you to be boring, for you it's all about personal attacks and never a word about real political issues. Probably because you actually don't know anything about politics.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ShooBree;2522914]Haha, pathetic! But what to expect from a libtard like you.
You can't, because you're a liar.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ShooBree;2523044]If you want to see "an unAmerican, opportunistic little weasel", I suggest that you take a look in the mirror.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ShooBree;2522193]Omfg, you don't actually believe that do you? Are you really that stupid?
Anyways, Zuckerberg lied. He's just another nerdy libtard with no respect for free speech.
[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ShooBree;2521887]Being called "traitor" by a deranged libtard like you is a compliment.
[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ShooBree;2520712]And you're undoubtedly one of the dumbest persons on this forum.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2523616]Now consider someone who is very brash, easily angered etc. Do you think he's ethnic Swede or immigrant from somewhere south of the Alps? Absolutely stereotyping but if you had to make a guess.[/QUOTE]If having to choose, statistically the latter. That's a comment on social class rather than strict ethnic origin as I think he is an exception to your theory.
May I offer a second theory. The Ephialtes theory, the deformed Spartan, after being spurned by his compatriots for for being useless in battle, becomes a vindictive hunchback.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2523616]These days they will take care to not see any differences between the sexes. Educated younger people are also very enviromentally conscious.
If he really is Swede then he's a Sweden Democrat because that's where the only ones who support Trump congregate. I think it's a bit funny that someone like that behaves the way the immigrants these people strongly dislike behave(I mean those immigrants from that background that behave differently).
This is mostly correct. Zlatan is an extreme example but IMO ethnic Swedes behave much more like SkarsgRoad in this example whereas MENA and Yugoslav immigrants don't. Note that this is no judgement call.
Now consider someone who is very brash, easily angered etc. Do you think he's ethnic Swede or immigrant from somewhere south of the Alps? Absolutely stereotyping but if you had to make a guess.[/QUOTE]Of course I vote for SD, the other parties destroyed Sweden in so many ways.
In how many posts have you now mentioned and stereotyped immigrants? It's most certainly not a normal behavior for any "real" Swedes. Neither is it a normal on website like a ISG which supposedly would be about having sex with (beautiful) women. Anyways, so to apply your flawed "logic", you couldn't possibly be a "real" Swede.
Actually, I've never seen anyone use the term "real Swede" except for trolls on Flashback and AfS politicians.
Let's be honest, do you even know any immigrants? You seem to be out of touch with reality, if I had to guess I would say that you're making assumptions based on what you've read on Flashback and now you repeat that BS on here. You don't know Sweden and you surely don't know immigrants. They are not all the same. You also seem to have missed the fact that people with a migration background are also voting for SD.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2523616]These days they will take care to not see any differences between the sexes. Educated younger people are also very enviromentally conscious.
If he really is Swede then he's a Sweden Democrat because that's where the only ones who support Trump congregate. I think it's a bit funny that someone like that behaves the way the immigrants these people strongly dislike behave(I mean those immigrants from that background that behave differently).
This is mostly correct. Zlatan is an extreme example but IMO ethnic Swedes behave much more like SkarsgRoad in this example whereas MENA and Yugoslav immigrants don't. Note that this is no judgement call.
Now consider someone who is very brash, easily angered etc. Do you think he's ethnic Swede or immigrant from somewhere south of the Alps? Absolutely stereotyping but if you had to make a guess.[/QUOTE]In sports the jantelov seems to be quite negative if you ask me. I totally hate it. It makes people introvert. Then again, my city is probably the least adherent to that law in Scandinavia. Malmö is close second. But by other Scandinavians we are considered a bit rude and brash.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2523101]1st May of which year?[/QUOTE]2025. (Need 10 characters to post).
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2523529]Agreed, especially with your last sentence. The Left will need a permanent "crisis" to justify their endless social engineering programs, endless money printing, increasing police state lockdown measures, and increasing wealth confiscation to pay for it all.
By the time all the morons who believe the propaganda have been vaxxed with an untested "vaccine," the virus will have mutated, requiring another round of lockdowns that destroy the economy, and requiring another round of vaxxing with unknown substances.
As Einstein said: "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result."
Any fool here still thinks that this is good? Good luck paying for and planning your next FKK trip to Germany, because I'm afraid that the fall of 2021 will be a repeat of 2020 with most clubs being closed and girls at home with their babushka in Romania.[/QUOTE]Well, I kinda agree. Except for one extremely important point you were trying to make there:
It is definitely the right wing politicians and voters who gain the most from, and are behind the money printing extravaganza. But the systemic failure of not spending money, and just hiding it somewhere in order to be frozen. By the right wingers, does force through left wing policies.
Problem is just that the right wing voters are brainless. Well 99%. (And the same can be said about 99% of left wingers). So I don't expect much. Neither from an internet forum.
The capitalistic systems math just doesn't add up. It is impossible. A totally new system must be adopted in order to end the systemic corruption practices.
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[QUOTE=TeaInTheSun;2523453]I came back here after several months because I thought we would have a certain normality around October, but through the news I found another reality. This pandemic will take more time. I always thought that the vaccine could begin to solve the pandemic but now we can see that no matter how many millions of vaccines we have, it will not be easy to reach 70% of vaccinated people in the world. I think we will spend all 2021 vaccinating ourselves.
What I miss the most about traveling is freedom. That wonderful chance to be in a place other than yours with the absolute certainty that everything will be fine every single day later.[/QUOTE]Don't fret too much. There are growing pains in vaccine distribution for sure. But remember, much of this low rate is due to vaccination being restricted to small segments of the population: healthcare providers and elderly. At least that's how it is in the States. Once the vaccine is released to the general public here, people will be able to go to local pharmacies, health departments, clinics, make-shift tent vaccination centers. In the US, we've vaccinated 4-5% of the population in one month growing from 500 K per day to 800 k Per day. The goal is to vaccinate 1 million per day. That's about 10% per month. Combined with the number of people who already have had the virus, we can easily, realistically reach the 70% for people capable of mounting a quick immune response (positive antibodies) by late spring.
It may take policy a few more months to catch up but the wheels are actually set in motion. Also, once the supply becomes available, the Europeans might be more efficient at delivering the vaccines. Our decentralized system in the US is proving to be a challenge despite the fact that we've been allotted more per capita than most other nations. The UK, despite the criticism, is doing a bit better.
My prediction is that even if herd immunity (70%) is not reached by summer, there will be an appreciable enough decline in cases and mortality that governments will rush a bit and lift the restrictions. Whether that entails Americans and East Asians being allowed to visit Europe, I'm not certain. But I'm willing to wager that intra-European travel restrictions will be lifted and tourism to southern Europe will be substantial in summer 2021.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2523627]Oh goodness. Seeing all of his inflammatory insults in one place juxtaposed to the outright denial makes him seem quite, well, pathological.
Totally "simply not true. "[/QUOTE]I wonder why you omitted to quote the posts I responded to. Maybe because you're a lying piece of shit who prefers to take my words out of context.
Unlike you I'm not a liar nor a dishonest person.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2523631]May I offer a second theory. The Ephialtes theory, the deformed Spartan, after being spurned by his compatriots for for being useless in battle, becomes a vindictive hunchback.[/QUOTE]The size reminds me of someone.
Is he some kind of pillar hugger?
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2523642]Of course I vote for SD, the other parties destroyed Sweden in so many ways.
In how many posts have you now mentioned and stereotyped immigrants? It's most certainly not a normal behavior for any "real" Swedes. Neither is it a normal on website like a ISG which supposedly would be about having sex with (beautiful) women. Anyways, so to apply your flawed "logic", you couldn't possibly be a "real" Swede.
Actually, I've never seen anyone use the term "real Swede" except for trolls on Flashback and AfS politicians.
Let's be honest, do you even know any immigrants? You seem to be out of touch with reality, if I had to guess I would say that you're making assumptions based on what you've read on Flashback and now you repeat that BS on here. You don't know Sweden and you surely don't know immigrants. They are not all the same. You also seem to have missed the fact that people with a migration background are also voting for SD.[/QUOTE]Bror,
You seem really angry.
Don't you find it ironic that you behave just like how you think MENA immigrants do? I guess you have your head so far up your own ass you've never ever considered what others see.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2523646]In sports the jantelov seems to be quite negative if you ask me. I totally hate it. It makes people introvert. Then again, my city is probably the least adherent to that law in Scandinavia. Malm is close second. But by other Scandinavians we are considered a bit rude and brash.[/QUOTE]I'd say traditional Jante is less prevalent in the bigger cities in general. On the other hand, at least in Stockholm, there's a bit of pressure to conform to more progressive ideals I mentioned before. You could argue that this is Jante in a different form. Be just like everyone else.
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[QUOTE=TeaInTheSun;2523453]I came back here after several months because I thought we would have a certain normality around October, but through the news I found another reality. This pandemic will take more time. I always thought that the vaccine could begin to solve the pandemic but now we can see that no matter how many millions of vaccines we have, it will not be easy to reach 70% of vaccinated people in the world. I think we will spend all 2021 vaccinating ourselves.
What I miss the most about traveling is freedom. That wonderful chance to be in a place other than yours with the absolute certainty that everything will be fine every single day later.
After visiting I think 6 years several FKK I always knew that it would be just a chapter (with lots of fun). I will come back one day, without any hurry, when everything is normal, as before the pandemic. I see it difficult for that to happen this summer. See you one day Oase even knowing that many pretty faces will never be there again. I hope you are there Adina or Miss V. See you FKK in several months.[/QUOTE]And if the vaccine is not the solution that is expected, first of all Pfister and Modena are not a vaccine but a genetic treatment (RNA) but if the authorities name it genetic treatment the people will be afraid so they name it vaccine. Let us assume the so called vaccine is efficient (which nothing is proving) how long will it be efficient, will it be efficient against the all the variant that are pop upping in the last months and more to come. Nearly 1 year latter the situation is getting worse and worse, may be it is just the beginning.
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400.000 covid US deaths according to new presidency and not finished, wish they don't lie to their citizens just on arrival, after 4 years of lies, racism and craziness. Today is a good day for the world except for those who waited for his money. Wish for so many millions of black, Latinas and illegals who make so big part of US, to get higher safety, when amazing to see still so powerful KKK in Oregon, from low level of education, lack of cleverness, ignorance about own history, dangerous shame, after already killing Indians. Wish he can never be back, he should better try to improve for golf, wait to see if women will talk about his abuses. World should improve for level today.
Just for me, I wish French ski lifts will open, covid can t compete in my free ride spots, most often only one free bird through forbidden lines when avalanches risks or crevaces, or when have to jump among rocks, Verbier Mont Gelé being my most difficult when can only jump on right foot, can t choose there, just have to accept or go down to Tortin rather than fall then die on Verbier side. Wish for employment and business for mountains great people, and also for enough vaccine for old, weak and medical who take risks to cure, for less deaths. Then I could enjoy to make my lines and to feel to fly, like a free bird.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2523776]Bror,
You seem really angry.
Don't you find it ironic that you behave just like how you think MENA immigrants do? I guess you have your head so far up your own ass you've never ever considered what others see.[/QUOTE]Do you think I care about your opinions? You're a weirdo. Take a look in the mirror. Do you even have a single post on here about fucking women? It seems to me that you're self-projecting. No reasonable, sane person writes the way you do. Have you've forgotten to take your meds?
Also, are you a member of AfS or NMR?
Let's be honest, don't you think that most Swedes would consider you to be really weird? What's up with your obsession of immigrants? I'm rather mistaken for being a immigrant than a svennebanan. I'm proud over the fact that I, unlike so many svennebananer, don't take shit from anyone.
You've repeatedly expressed racist opinions and not a single report about fucking women.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2523779]And if the vaccine is not the solution that is expected, first of all Pfister and Modena are not a vaccine but a genetic treatment (RNA) but if the authorities name it genetic treatment the people will be afraid so they name it vaccine. Let us assume the so called vaccine is efficient (which nothing is proving) how long will it be efficient, will it be efficient against the all the variant that are pop upping in the last months and more to come. Nearly 1 year latter the situation is getting worse and worse, may be it is just the beginning.[/QUOTE]Not enough vaccine at the moment in Western Europe and World health organization already told won t be enough vaccine on 2021 . Just wish old, weak and medical will be protected for less deaths, but others who party or go to brothels just have to manage on their own, or they can stay in their bed with FFP2 on face. Girls in this business don t care about covid and they can give to 10 guys per day.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2523807]400.000 covid US deaths according to new presidency and not finished, wish they don't lie to their citizens just on arrival, after 4 years of lies, racism and craziness. Today is a good day for the world except for those who waited for his money. Wish for so many millions of black, Latinas and illegals who make so big part of US, to get higher safety, when amazing to see still so powerful KKK in Oregon, from low level of education, lack of cleverness, ignorance about own history, dangerous shame, after already killing Indians. Wish he can never be back, he should better try to improve for golf, wait to see if women will talk about his abuses. World should improve for level today.
Just for me, I wish French ski lifts will open, covid can t compete in my free ride spots, most often only one free bird through forbidden lines when avalanches risks or crevaces, or when have to jump among rocks, Verbier Mont Gel being my most difficult when can only jump on right foot, can t choose there, just have to accept or go down to Tortin rather than fall then die on Verbier side. Wish for employment and business for mountains great people, and also for enough vaccine for old, weak and medical who take risks to cure, for less deaths. Then I could enjoy to make my lines and to feel to fly, like a free bird.[/QUOTE]I forgot: also a good day for less pollution for our world, for children, and I m sure so beautiful real white bears, not uglies with no hair in brothels, are happy when more snow and colder on this Winter. Covid and no more crazy and abusing many women, Trump, may be good for beautiful bears. Unfortunately, can t do versus China which is other polluting killer with maybe more deaths than from covid, with so many children now with lungs or breathe or allergies problems.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2523502]If you want to speak about inflammatory speech take a look at yourself & several other members. Don't point the finger at me, because it's simply not true.[/QUOTE]On today's episode of not making inflammatory speech. Stay tuned folks, more to come.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2523565]You're a hypocrite and a liar.
You come across as batshit crazy.
I'm not sure if you really are as stupid as you seem on here or if you're simply a dishonest piece of shit.
We all know who the real coward is, you're hiding in your basement while you wouldn't dare to say a word to anyone IRL.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ShooBree;2523626]your comments only proves that you haven't taken your meds today.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ShooBree;2523768]Maybe because you're a lying piece of shit who prefers to take my words out of context.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2523807]400.000 covid US deaths according to new presidency and not finished, wish they don't lie to their citizens just on arrival, after 4 years of lies, racism and craziness. Today is a good day for the world except for those who waited for his money. Wish for so many millions of black, Latinas and illegals who make so big part of US, to get higher safety, when amazing to see still so powerful KKK in Oregon, from low level of education, lack of cleverness, ignorance about own history, dangerous shame, after already killing Indians. Wish he can never be back, he should better try to improve for golf, wait to see if women will talk about his abuses. World should improve for level today.
Just for me, I wish French ski lifts will open, covid can t compete in my free ride spots, most often only one free bird through forbidden lines when avalanches risks or crevaces, or when have to jump among rocks, Verbier Mont Gel being my most difficult when can only jump on right foot, can t choose there, just have to accept or go down to Tortin rather than fall then die on Verbier side. Wish for employment and business for mountains great people, and also for enough vaccine for old, weak and medical who take risks to cure, for less deaths. Then I could enjoy to make my lines and to feel to fly, like a free bird.[/QUOTE]In the US has. 11% of the population have died of COVID-19 and in France. 105% of the population have died from COVID-19. Wow, that is a staggering difference. I would like to hear your explanation of the so strong KKK in OregYou have said this almost as many times as you have said somebody ran to you for orgasmus. It doesn't make either true. Please study some US history and note that the KKK has almost always been a southern centric organization. Personally, I can't wait for the press in the US to finish it's political orgasm over the Democrats regaining of the executive office. I am literally sick to my stomach listening to all of the fake sincerity.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2523774] The size reminds me of someone.
Is he some kind of pillar hugger?[/QUOTE]I think they found each other and may have started multiplying.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2523779]And if the vaccine is not the solution that is expected, first of all Pfister and Modena are not a vaccine but a genetic treatment (RNA) but if the authorities name it genetic treatment the people will be afraid so they name it vaccine. Let us assume the so called vaccine is efficient (which nothing is proving) how long will it be efficient, will it be efficient against the all the variant that are pop upping in the last months and more to come. Nearly 1 year latter the situation is getting worse and worse, may be it is just the beginning.[/QUOTE]It is not a treatment for the simple reason that you take it to prevent infection, not to treat it. It is not a genetic treatment because it does not interact or change our genetic material (DNA). MRNA is the precursor of proteins, so the viral mRNA will produce viral proteins to which our immune system will interact and give us immunity. Here you go, a free basic biology lesson!
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Bror,
You've spent so much time here insulting people and all you managed to do was to look like you're some low level garbage from Norsborg.
You're too stupid to realize I don't talk about immigrants. I talk about you, the racist who think Sweden is being destroyed. Maybe the others don't understand that dog whistle but I do. So when I said something about immigrants that you think is negative it was just what people like you think. SD voters like you think Sweden is being destroyed because of the MENA immigrants.
And yet you sound just like the stereotype of one of them. Funny that, right?
It can't be good for your health to not block me. Please go ahead.
I don't care about your use of immigrant insults such as horunge. It just makes it clear you're a low IQ nobody.
But you don't get it bror. You're too stupid.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2523822]Do you think I care about your opinions? You're a weirdo. Take a look in the mirror. Do you even have a single post on here about fucking women? It seems to me that you're self-projecting. No reasonable, sane person writes the way you do. Have you've forgotten to take your meds?
Also, are you a member of AfS or NMR?
Let's be honest, don't you think that most Swedes would consider you to be really weird? What's up with your obsession of immigrants? I'm rather mistaken for being a immigrant than a svennebanan. I'm proud over the fact that I, unlike so many svennebananer, don't take shit from anyone.
You've repeatedly expressed racist opinions and not a single report about fucking women.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2523650]2025. (Need 10 characters to post).[/QUOTE]Some clubs are still open and I m sure some will reopen on 2021, at least in Switzerland and Austria. I don't know for Germany when more than 1000 deaths yesterday. Just have to be able to adapt for Europeans. Very sad should be no ski in France on this Winter, maybe I will have to make only my free ride final in Verbier among rocks, after nearly no ski since nearly 2 years, no problem about technique, but about so violent effort on so high altitude without being used to altitude higher than 3000 meters, putting heart in tachycardia, not so dangerous for heart, but exhausting when you can't control your heart rhythm and impossible to recover as long you can't control it.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2523924]Bror,But you don't get it bror. You're too stupid.[/QUOTE]I don't read him, I think we don't have same opinions, but I find he is lucky some here want to put him on their ignore list, when I really don't need some followers here, reading all my writings and even before on another forum, bullshiting specialists knowing nothing but just their low level from what they are. So many just followers in this business, I m so proud to be so different. Even you are faster when you follow, but I only do it in Germans back on autobahn, then can improve for nearly 10 km / h with less gas burned, good for less pollution.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2523779]And if the vaccine is not the solution that is expected, first of all Pfister and Modena are not a vaccine but a genetic treatment (RNA) but if the authorities name it genetic treatment the people will be afraid so they name it vaccine. Let us assume the so called vaccine is efficient (which nothing is proving) how long will it be efficient, will it be efficient against the all the variant that are pop upping in the last months and more to come. Nearly 1 year latter the situation is getting worse and worse, may be it is just the beginning.[/QUOTE]They're not genetic treatments.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2523912]I think they found each other and may have started multiplying.[/QUOTE]Yeah, just like gremlins when you pour water on them.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2523924]Bror,
You've spent so much time here insulting people and all you managed to do was to look like you're some low level garbage from Norsborg.
You're too stupid to realize I don't talk about immigrants. I talk about you, the racist who think Sweden is being destroyed. Maybe the others don't understand that dog whistle but I do. So when I said something about immigrants that you think is negative it was just what people like you think. SD voters like you think Sweden is being destroyed because of the MENA immigrants.
And yet you sound just like the stereotype of one of them. Funny that, right?
It can't be good for your health to not block me. Please go ahead.
I don't care about your use of immigrant insults such as horunge. It just makes it clear you're a low IQ nobody.
But you don't get it bror. You're too stupid.[/QUOTE]you still don't get it. I enjoy seeing how batshit crazy you truly are. That "dog whistle" you're hearing is probably you should see a psychiatrist about.
You're too stupid to understand that I hold the "naive" Swedes and the politicians responsible for the mess we have in Sweden today. Unlike you I'm not some mentally deranged weirdo obsessing over immigrants post after post. After all, the Danes are not laughing at the immigrants, they are laughing at the "naive" Swedes.
If you really wanted to insult me you should have called me a "naive" Swede.
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[QUOTE=Chongmal;2523897]In the US has. 11% of the population have died of COVID-19 and in France. 105% of the population have died from COVID-19. Wow, that is a staggering difference. I would like to hear your explanation of the so strong KKK in OregYou have said this almost as many times as you have said somebody ran to you for orgasmus. It doesn't make either true. Please study some US history and note that the KKK has almost always been a southern centric organization. Personally, I can't wait for the press in the US to finish it's political orgasm over the Democrats regaining of the executive office. I am literally sick to my stomach listening to all of the fake sincerity.[/QUOTE]Some how I made mistakes on both of my numbers. It is point 11% and point 105% respectively. When dealing with millions of people this is a very small number of people.
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Facts: The human anus can stretch up to 7 inches before taking damage. A Racoon can squeeze into holes as tight as 4 inches.
What this means is that you can take almost two full Racoons up your ass. However, not many people have considered that the analgram for racoon, is corona. Or even that corona can mutate through a racoon. But here we are, and now the latest non-toxic homo-pathic remedy against corona is ready! Just put a few racoons in your bed before taking a nap, and feel your corona immunity skyrocket during the night. Minor tingling may occur.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2523919]It is not a treatment for the simple reason that you take it to prevent infection, not to treat it. It is not a genetic treatment because it does not interact or change our genetic material (DNA). MRNA is the precursor of proteins, so the viral mRNA will produce viral proteins to which our immune system will interact and give us immunity. Here you go, a free basic biology lesson![/QUOTE]Thank you. Immunity against which virus? How many those kind of vaccine we had before? May be are you aware that the famous Remdesivir which was so strongly promoted a time by politicians, medical authorities could be the responsible of the new mutants. As always the people have to believe in something, today it is in the Pfister / Moderna RNA vaccine / treatment and I am very surprised that in the medias around the world so few journalists are putting any doubts about the efficiency of the treatment / vaccine, it is like most of the info are controlled by the different governments.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2523919]It is not a treatment for the simple reason that you take it to prevent infection, not to treat it. It is not a genetic treatment because it does not interact or change our genetic material (DNA). MRNA is the precursor of proteins, so the viral mRNA will produce viral proteins to which our immune system will interact and give us immunity. Here you go, a free basic biology lesson![/QUOTE]You Nailed It.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2523890]On today's episode of not making inflammatory speech. Stay tuned folks, more to come.[/QUOTE]Funny how you never quote the posts I'm responding to. I guess you rather take my words out of context.
You're just a lousy hypocrite. You should try to take responsibility for your own words and personal attacks against others.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2523079]This is how the ignore function works.
So I don't have to read shooTroll's constant flow of stupidities coming from his crooked brain, only some glimpses when someone quotes him.
And I advised everyone to do the same because it's basically a waste of time to try to talk some sense into someone like him.[/QUOTE]Naaaw, the bigtroll is still crying, even after he claimed to have put me on "ignore".
How could someone without any sense talk some sense into someone else? Time after time on point after point the bigtroll has been proven wrong.
The bigtroll has a problem and it is that he's so extremely simpleminded. He's too stupid to see the bigger picture. Hell, he's even too stupid to understand the difference between millions and billions.
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I believe the question is weather or not these viral proteins will reduce our overall immune system. Common sense would say yes.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2524001]Thank you. Immunity against which virus? How many those kind of vaccine we had before? May be are you aware that the famous Remdesivir which was so strongly promoted a time by politicians, medical authorities could be the responsible of the new mutants. As always the people have to believe in something, today it is in the Pfister / Moderna RNA vaccine / treatment and I am very surprised that in the medias around the world so few journalists are putting any doubts about the efficiency of the treatment / vaccine, it is like most of the info are controlled by the different governments.[/QUOTE]People do not need to believe in Pfizer or Moderna, but in the major regulatory public health agencies (FDA, EMA, Swiss BAG, Health Canada and so on) that have deemed those vaccines safe for large distribution. Why would a government choose to vaccinate all its citizens with an unsafe vaccine?
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2523988]Facts: The human anus can stretch up to 7 inches before taking damage. A Racoon can squeeze into holes as tight as 4 inches.[/QUOTE]Are you telling me that the COVID doesn't come from a bat or from a pangolin, but from some unnatural mating with a raccoon?
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2524188]Why would a government choose to vaccinate all its citizens with an unsafe vaccine?[/QUOTE]Big pharma, Bill Gates, Georges Soros, you can pick any of those reasons and some moron will come to stand behind you with some over the top theory.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2524188]People do not need to believe in Pfizer or Moderna, but in the major regulatory public health agencies (FDA, EMA, Swiss BAG, Health Canada and so on) that have deemed those vaccines safe for large distribution. Why would a government choose to vaccinate all its citizens with an unsafe vaccine?[/QUOTE]Sorry but why have the same recommend several months back Remdesivir to treat Covid 19 which in fact is a terrible product, please have a look about what happen with the Remdesivir and believe me the same a today promoting RNA vaccine. I will for sure take the vaccine but the Russia or Chinese one which is a real vaccine for me and not a RNA. But I don t expect too much efficiency because of the variants.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2523502]If you want to speak about inflammatory speech take a look at yourself & several other members. Don't point the finger at me, because it's simply not true.[/QUOTE]On today's episode of non-inflammatory speech taken completely out of context, completely.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2524070]You're just a lousy hypocrite.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ShooBree;2524155]Naaaw, the bigtroll is still crying,
The bigtroll has a problem and it is that he's so extremely simpleminded.
He's too stupid to see the bigger picture.
Hell, he's even too stupid to understand the difference between millions and billions.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2524160]Just have a look on the liberals on this forum. Damaged goods.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2524206]Sorry but why have the same recommend several months back Remdesivir to treat Covid 19 which in fact is a terrible product, please have a look about what happen with the Remdesivir and believe me the same a today promoting RNA vaccine. I will for sure take the vaccine but the Russia or Chinese one which is a real vaccine for me and not a RNA. But I don t expect too much efficiency because of the variants.[/QUOTE]Remdesivir was a quasi-experimental drug developed as a treatment for Ebola. It showed some possible effects in reducing recovery time in COVID-19 patients and was emergently and desperately approved for use during the initial wave of a global pandemic. It was first and foremost a treatment to slow down viral replication, never meant to be a "cure" nor a tool of prevention.
The vaccines on the other hand began development specifically for SARS-CoV2 and tested with the same rigor as most other pharmaceuticals. It was a specific vaccine for a specific microbe that we developed in January, as soon as we sequenced the genome of the virus. After the same rigor of testing for efficacy and safety, it was approved for emergency use nearly a calendar year later in December, specifically for SARS-COV2.
Major difference.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2523807]400.000 covid US deaths according to new presidency and not finished, wish they don't lie to their citizens just on arrival, after 4 years of lies, racism and craziness. Today is a good day for the world except for those who waited for his money. Wish for so many millions of black, Latinas and illegals who make so big part of US, to get higher safety, when amazing to see still so powerful KKK in Oregon, from low level of education, lack of cleverness, ignorance about own history, dangerous shame, after already killing Indians. Wish he can never be back, he should better try to improve for golf, wait to see if women will talk about his abuses. World should improve for level today.[/QUOTE]After about inertia, gravity center and dynamic, to know a bit about sport, when every real sporty know you have to carry your own weight and waste energy for this, now about arithmetic's we should learn at school, and fortunately US and France have only a bit more than 0,1% deaths, which make so numerous deaths, too many for both in my opinion, but no Hart island nor fridge trucks in streets in France. My meaning is just after so many Trump lies for 4 years, good to hear new version and about unity, also good to see black and Indian women, a Latina guy in Biden government, and all my respect for trans-genre I think for health, for such open mind, Biden really have balls, when not Indians are only guests in US which belong to Indians who were there before others, Indians land. I understand the boss Bruce Springsteen who support him, and Stevie Wonder, Tom Hanks, Dave Grohl Foo Fighters and pretty Latina Jenifer Lopez, even big ass, but pretty face. Wish he will really increase minimum salary from 6 up to 13 USD per hour and consider 11 millions illegals who work for US, also thinking about pollution, when racist KKK power in new state Oregon far from old Mississippi is just a shame for US, but Biden should improve US image in front of small other world. We have so many French journalists working and living all over US.
About German huge datcha, when more than 1000 deaths per day at the moment in well organized Germany with citizens following rules, when UK now totally out of control with around 1500 deaths per day, when waiting for third wave at peak on March, not yet for German brothels, maybe in Switzerland in March or April.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2524244]On today's episode of non-inflammatory speech taken completely out of context, completely.[/QUOTE]And you've yet to quote any of the posts I responded to. Why are you so afraid of quoting the posts I respond to? Is it because you know that would show how the insults goes two ways?
It's so cute to see your crocodile tears. You're such a dishonest piece of shit.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2524199]Are you telling me that the COVID doesn't come from a bat or from a pangolin, but from some unnatural mating with a raccoon?[/QUOTE]Not talking about the origin, but the treatment here.
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Proof:
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP19ynmUbds[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2524158]I believe the question is weather or not these viral proteins will reduce our overall immune system. Common sense would say yes.[/QUOTE]Common sense would also tell you that a mRNA vaccine can alter your DNA, because RNA is the messenger (hence the "m" in mRNA) between proteins (the virus) and your DNA.
Here is Dr. Andrew Wakefield who explains how mRNA works and how traditional vaccines work, where a little bit of dead or weakened virus protein is injected, to which your body forms immunity.
[URL]https://www.bitchute.com/video/kJ4CWTPKuwUt/[/URL]
In a nutshell, an mRNA vaccine works the other way around, with the mRNA producing proteins, with a very high likelihood of your body developing autoimmune diseases over the next 3-5 years.
Old and frail people have already died after taking the vaccine and Norway has issues advice to old and frail people to NOT take the vaccine, which is ironic since it was this age group that has the biggest amount of deaths.
Average death in Germany, clearly over 80 years old: [URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105512/coronavirus-covid-19-deaths-by-gender-germany/[/URL].
Average death in USA, again, clearly over 80 years old: [URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/[/URL].
Sorry guys, but don't count on FKK clubs to open this year, because mutated viruses will render the current "vaccine" useless, and by fall of 2021 we'll be back in another lockdown with another rushed "vaccine" in 2022.
It will be a never-ending cycle of lockdowns, partial openings in summer, and "vaccines," until somebody has the guts to go for a herd immunity strategy which will starve the virus of potential hosts and the virus will extinguish itself. Protect the old and vulnerable, and allow the young people (below 70) to achieve herd immunity.
P.S. Where are the 'massive amounts of deaths' in Sweden? [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-08-19..latest&country=LUX~FRA~DEU~BEL~NLD~AUT~SWE~ITA~ESP~GBR~USA®ion=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc[/URL].
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Compare your country to the other Nordic countries and you'll find the massive amount of deaths.
That's funny but although it has been clearly proved that the herd immunity strategy is a disaster (I found an article from nature or the lancet that I showed to shooTroll trying to put some sense into his crooked brain and you just have to look at what's happening in Manaus right now), you still find a swede who still believes in it.
At least unlike the other troll, you're not constantly insulting everyone.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2524206]Sorry but why have the same recommend several months back Remdesivir to treat Covid 19 which in fact is a terrible product, please have a look about what happen with the Remdesivir and believe me the same a today promoting RNA vaccine. I will for sure take the vaccine but the Russia or Chinese one which is a real vaccine for me and not a RNA. But I don t expect too much efficiency because of the variants.[/QUOTE]Remdesivir was never tested in a full clinical randomised-controlled trial process (Phase I, II and III) for Covid-9 like the current vaccines. Remdesivir was observed to provide some relief in some patients and, in a huge emergency situation, they decided to start using it. It's worth noting that remdesivir is now known not to be working as hoped but, at the same time, it didn't cause serious side effects.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2524491]Common sense would also tell you that a mRNA vaccine can alter your DNA, because RNA is the messenger (hence the "m" in mRNA) between proteins (the virus) and your DNA.
Here is Dr. Andrew Wakefield who explains how mRNA works and how traditional vaccines work, where a little bit of dead or weakened virus protein is injected, to which your body forms immunity.
[URL]https://www.bitchute.com/video/kJ4CWTPKuwUt/[/URL]
In a nutshell, an mRNA vaccine works the other way around, with the mRNA producing proteins, with a very high likelihood of your body developing autoimmune diseases over the next 3-5 years.
Old and frail people have already died after taking the vaccine and Norway has issues advice to old and frail people to NOT take the vaccine, which is ironic since it was this age group that has the biggest amount of deaths.
Average death in Germany, clearly over 80 years old: [URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105512/coronavirus-covid-19-deaths-by-gender-germany/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Mr Wakefiled is no longer a Dr. Since he was barred from the medical profession for cheating and data manipulation! You couldn't find a better example to support your idiotic QAnon theories?
It is a genetic therapy only if it changes the DNA and no mRNA has ever changed any DNA in the last billion years. If you have evidence of an mRNA that has changed a DNA, I would nominate you for the Nobel prize.
The cases in Norway were investigated and found to be unrelated to the vaccination. You have to tell the whole story and not the bit you like the most. There have been people suffering from serious adverse allergic reactions in the UK, but those people are at risk every time they receive an injection or a bee sting. So, not only for vaccinations.
Now go back to your QAnon page for getting ridiculous information.
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Common sense & quacks
Common sense suggests that one should protect oneself. Scientists get it wrong sometimes, but please Get back to us once science has a study of "common sense" Keep in mind that this infectious disease and the response to it is evolving.
Dr Andrew Wakefield has been discredited. Britain's medical council stripped him of his license, saying he had "abused his position of trust and brought the medical profession into disrepute " "due to his involvement in the Lancet MMR autism fraud, a 1998 study that falsely claimed a link between the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine and autism".
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2524491]Common sense would also tell you that a mRNA vaccine can alter your DNA, because RNA is the messenger (hence the "m" in mRNA) between proteins (the virus) and your DNA.[/QUOTE]MRNA acts as the template code for all proteins. Unless it encodes for proteins that can enter the nucleus and alter DNA, above post is rubbish. It's like saying that you can make a bomb using the blueprints for a bridge.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2524491]In a nutshell, an mRNA vaccine works the other way around, with the mRNA producing proteins, [b]with a very high likelihood of your body developing autoimmune diseases over the next 3-5 years.[/b].[/QUOTE]Source? We'll wait.
And wait.
And wait.
For others, here's data to support the contrary:
[URL]https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9889529642[/URL]
Even research to suggest that we can suppress autoimmune diseases:
[URL]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33414215/[/URL]
Layman reading:
[URL]https://www.statnews.com/2021/01/07/with-success-in-vaccines-scientists-try-to-turn-mrna-against-autoimmune-diseases/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2523502]If you want to speak about inflammatory speech take a look at yourself & several other members. Don't point the finger at me, because it's simply not true.[/QUOTE]On today's episode of (provoked) noninflammatory speech:
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2524382]You're so incredibly stupid and ignorant.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ShooBree;2524275]You're such a dishonest piece of shit.[/QUOTE]A little lighter than usual today. Sigh.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2524515]Probably the FKK will be closed, yesterday evening Macron said that life will not return to normal in the second semester.[/QUOTE]Macron? Or Merkel? Who has more power than Macron about landers. But France ask now negative test even for EU, when UK, Spain and Germay are now down under virus, and quarantine for non EU, when Western Europe is waiting third wave on peak in March. World will reopen with Hells.
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Tin foil hats
Interresting to find crazed-out conspiracy people even on this forum.
If their profet, Mr Trump, on any given Tuesday would insist that its Wednesday (because he may not fancy tuesdays). There would be claims that tuesdays are fake days which have been invented by antifa, the liberals and hugo chavez in a major cover up and to deprive true patriots of their constitutional right to have 2 wednesdays every week.
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[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2524601]Interresting to find crazed-out conspiracy people even on this forum.
If their profet, Mr Trump, on any given Tuesday would insist that its Wednesday (because he may not fancy tuesdays). There would be claims that tuesdays are fake days which have been invented by antifa, the liberals and hugo chavez in a major cover up and to deprive true patriots of their constitutional right to have 2 wednesdays every week.[/QUOTE]I'm sure Trump would have liked voyeurs for public sex Tuesdays at Globe, before covid. Then he would not need to touch women, how Slovenian Melania can accept such behavior. Biden smell so much cleverness and safety. Good luck for him to improve US.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2524582]Macron? Or Merkel? Who has more power than Macron about landers. But France ask now negative test even for EU, when UK, Spain and Germay are now down under virus, and quarantine for non EU, when Western Europe is waiting third wave on peak in March. World will reopen with Hells.[/QUOTE]Macron but obviously he is getting better info's than me so I don t believe what will be the sad reality in France could be so different in Germany.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2524573]On today's episode of (provoked) noninflammatory speech:
A little lighter than usual today. Sigh.[/QUOTE]And you are still too embarrassed to quote the posts I responded to because you know that you and your disingenuous friends are guilty of provoking the situation.
You started with the personal attacks and lies and now you're crying crocodile tears because I didn't tolerate your shameful behavior.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2524530]Compare your country to the other Nordic countries and you'll find the massive amount of deaths.
That's funny but although it has been clearly proved that the herd immunity strategy is a disaster (I found an article from nature or the lancet that I showed to shooTroll trying to put some sense into his crooked brain and you just have to look at what's happening in Manaus right now), you still find a swede who still believes in it.
At least unlike the other troll, you're not constantly insulting everyone.[/QUOTE]It's cute to see the bigtroll ranting and obsessing over me because I called out his ridiculous lies about Sweden having a lockdown a few months back. He couldn't handle being wrong so he started attacking me personally. He was so extremely desperate that he actually claimed that Sweden.
According to everyone in charge the strategy was not to reach herd immunity. The strategy was to not punish and inflict great damage for the overwhelming majority which had no reason to fear COVID-19. We can also see that lockdowns didn't have any success in country after country. Just look at France and their complete failure. They have given up on their freedoms, destroyed their economy and people are still dying like flies in COVID-19 related deaths. Why would I want to participate in such a crazy experiment for a virus which is harmless to me. Only the downsides are guaranteed.
When will the bigtroll wake up and realize that the restrictions have been highly unsuccessful in many countries, including his own.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2524633]Macron but obviously he is getting better info's than me so I don t believe what will be the sad reality in France could be so different in Germany.[/QUOTE]Germany is in big trouble under virus now, Switzerland is also quite in trouble, but I m pretty sure Swiss brothels will reopen when weather will become less cold, so virus will lose strength and most of people will then get more strength to resist. For me, good job for Macron would be to succeed to protect our old or weak people and medical who cure us. I don't ask for vaccine when should not have enough, I assume my choices of life, like for free ride I miss so much when I see so good puff waiting for me.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2524759]Germany is in big trouble under virus now, Switzerland is also quite in trouble, but I m pretty sure Swiss brothels will reopen when weather will become less cold, so virus will lose strength and most of people will then get more strength to resist. For me, good job for Macron would be to succeed to protect our old or weak people and medical who cure us. I don't ask for vaccine when should not have enough, I assume my choices of life, like for free ride I miss so much when I see so good puff waiting for me.[/QUOTE]Macron very good job? Are you joking it is the guy who in March told us we don t need to wear a mask, h is saying everything and it contrary the next sentence. The economic situation in France is getting worse and worse and be prepared to see your taxes skyrocketing in the coming years.
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Crazy like his hair B Johnson now telling UK mutant would kill more than Chinese, when we already knew for spreading faster. UK is out of control, but not compulsory to put on mask in streets. Some UK had negative test from UK, Chinese tests? But positive when tested in France and making now problems for my plans.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2523502]If you want to speak about inflammatory speech take a look at yourself & several other members. Don't point the finger at me, because it's simply not true.[/QUOTE]On today's episode of noninflammatory speech.
[QUOTE].[/QUOTE]Oh. My. Goodness. I'm being a little generous here, save a not so nice term of endearment, but not really anything up to the normal par.
Perhaps we can make it to TWO days! Just perhaps.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2524856]On today's episode of noninflammatory speech.
Oh. My. Goodness. I'm being a little generous here, save a not so nice term of endearment, but not really anything up to the normal par.
Perhaps we can make it to TWO days! Just perhaps.[/QUOTE]Just in; the tiny wiener Asian boy still doesn't have a life and is still too embarrassed to quote any of his or his friends posts.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2524491]In a nutshell, an mRNA vaccine works the other way around, with the mRNA producing proteins, with a very high likelihood of your body developing autoimmune diseases over the next 3-5 years.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mursenary;2524569]Source? We'll wait.
And wait.
And wait.[/QUOTE]Why don't you give us a source that these mRNA vaccines have been tested thoroughly for long term side effects, and that the manufacturers can rule out any possible long term effects? Perhaps the "long term" (7-8 months instead of 10 years) and fraudulent vaccine "testing" phase wasn't long enough? Let's be honest: there simply never was a long term study. The long term "study" is injecting the entire global population with a never-tried-before mRNA vaccine and hoping for the best!
If they are so confident that "all is well," then why did Big Pharma demand that all western governments to make it impossible to sue those Big Pharma companies in case of side effects? What do they have to hide? Bad 'science?' A fraudulent "testing" phase? [URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html[/URL].
Oh, and talking about testing. Remember the "95% efficacy" lies and sales pitch that were promised after the so-called vaccine "testing" phase?
Well, that has already been proven as a complete fabrication, and it only took a few weeks of inoculating for that: [URL]https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/20/uk-look-carefully-claims-vaccine-efficacy-has-dropped-33-per/[/URL].
Expect that "efficacy" to continue to drop as new mutations pop up, and all those idiots who lined up to be vaccinated will have a increasingly useless (but potentially harmful in the long term) vaccine in their bodies. For a flu that has a 0,05% (infectious mortality rate. Real smart. Not!
(source on page 7: [URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf[/URL] "For people 70 years old, the infection fatality rate of COVId-19 across 40 locations with.
Available data ranged from 0. 00% to 0. 31% (median 0. 05% the corrected values were similar."
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2524831]Macron very good job? Are you joking it is the guy who in March told us we don t need to wear a mask, h is saying everything and it contrary the next sentence. The economic situation in France is getting worse and worse and be prepared to see your taxes skyrocketing in the coming years.[/QUOTE]I wrote if we succeed in France to protect our old, weak, medical before end of 2021 , when lack of vaccine now, then yes it will be good job, when we are not so worse at the moment than UK and our neighbours on borders, but things can change. But even with vaccine, EU will have to protect about dangerous countries: Brazil, US where Biden will have hard job, and of course Asia land of lies, even Japan lying to try to save Olympics, but I wish Olympics will be cancelled, when so sexist country, only allowing women to play sumo but not as professional, only to have sumo allowed on Olympics.
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After UK, south African, Brazilian, now seem new Californian mutant, which for next?
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After UK, south African, Brazilian, now seem new Californian mutant, which for next?
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2523502] If you want to speak about inflammatory speech take a look at yourself & several other members. Don't point the finger at me, because it's simply not true. [/QUOTE]On today's episode of never making inflammatory speech:
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2524983]Just in; the tiny wiener Asian boy still doesn't have a life and is still too embarrassed to quote any of his or his friends posts.[/QUOTE]Well guys, we couldn't make it TWO days in a row. Will try again tomorrow.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2524491]In a nutshell, an mRNA vaccine works the other way around, with the mRNA producing proteins, with a very high likelihood of your body developing autoimmune diseases over the next 3-5 years.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mursenary;2524569]Source? We'll wait.
And wait.
And wait.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=HammerTime96;2525113]Why don't you give us a source that these mRNA vaccines have been tested thoroughly for long term side effects, and that the manufacturers can rule out any possible long term effects? Perhaps the "long term" (7-8 months instead of 10 years) and fraudulent vaccine "testing" phase wasn't long enough? Let's be honest: there simply never was a long term study. The long term "study" is injecting the entire global population with a never-tried-before mRNA vaccine and hoping for the best!
If they are so confident that "all is well," then why did Big Pharma.[/QUOTE]Will keep waiting for said source of claim.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2525113]
Expect that "efficacy" to continue to drop as new mutations pop up, and all those idiots who lined up to be vaccinated will have a increasingly useless (but potentially harmful in the long term) vaccine in their bodies. For a flu that has a 0,05% (infectious mortality rate. Real smart. Not!
[/QUOTE]There would be at least 1 millon people globally who would disagree with you, but can't, because they died.
And you're not getting the point. If not checked somehow, the number of sick people needing treatment and oxygen ventilators will exceed the capacity of any health system in any country. Ask any Italian. Or check out Brazil, where they have run out of oxygen and mortaility is sky rocketing because of that.
Taking vaccine or not is a personal choice. If you don't want it, don't take it. But don't call other people names because they won't entertain your Big Pharma paranoia and actually have some faith in science.
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Trolls on the Ignore List (TOTIL)
Trolls On The Ignore List are on a fact finding tour of Lost Angeles and Manaus, Brazil in search of alternative facts. Wait, wait? It's been cancelled. Someone online told them it's a hoax. Fake photos of people on ventilators and doctors in anguish. Fake photos of body bags and refer trucks. Trolls on the ignore list are in Miami with their heads in the sand.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2525113]Why don't you give us a source that these mRNA vaccines have been tested thoroughly for long term side effects, and that the manufacturers can rule out any possible long term effects? Perhaps the "long term" (7-8 months instead of 10 years) and fraudulent vaccine "testing" phase wasn't long enough? Let's be honest: there simply never was a long term study. The long term "study" is injecting the entire global population with a never-tried-before mRNA vaccine and hoping for the best!
If they are so confident that "all is well," then why did Big Pharma demand that all western governments to make it impossible to sue those Big Pharma companies in case of side effects? What do they have to hide? Bad 'science?' A fraudulent "testing" phase? [URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html[/URL].
Oh, and talking about testing. Remember the "95% efficacy" lies and sales pitch that were promised after the so-called vaccine "testing" phase?
Well, that has already been proven as a complete fabrication, and it only took a few weeks of inoculating for that: [URL]https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/20/uk-look-carefully-claims-vaccine-efficacy-has-dropped-33-per/[/URL].
Expect that "efficacy" to continue to drop as new mutations pop up, and all those idiots who lined up to be vaccinated will have a increasingly useless (but potentially harmful in the long term) vaccine in their bodies. For a flu that has a 0,05% (infectious mortality rate. Real smart. Not!.[/QUOTE]What is sure in the contract between Europe and Pfistzer, Moderna it is clearly writing that both pharma companies are not responsible for any side effects.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2525182]On today's episode of never making inflammatory speech:
Well guys, we couldn't make it TWO days in a row. Will try again tomorrow.[/QUOTE]Well, you can't go a day without obsessing over me. I'm starting to enjoy having you as my personal stalker / troll. LOL!
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2525279]What is sure in the contract between Europe and Pfistzer, Moderna it is clearly writing that both pharma companies are not responsible for any side effects.[/QUOTE]And Pfizer tell to make second injection after 4 weeks, not 6 or more, so they won't be responsible for anything, when more than 20 vaccined already died in small Norway and also 5 very old vaccined in France. Wish Pfizer or others will protect most of those at risk for health or job, for less deaths, then should be less restrictions, even I think EU have now to protect more to keep a better safety, when can't trust some countries.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2523502]If you want to speak about inflammatory speech take a look at yourself & several other members. Don't point the finger at me, because it's simply not true.[/QUOTE]Nice. I'm being a little generous today, but I'll mark it as a zero insult day!
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[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2525217]There would be at least 1 millon people globally who would disagree with you, but can't, because they died.
And you're not getting the point. If not checked somehow, the number of sick people needing treatment and oxygen ventilators will exceed the capacity of any health system in any country. Ask any Italian. Or check out Brazil, where they have run out of oxygen and mortaility is sky rocketing because of that.
Taking vaccine or not is a personal choice. If you don't want it, don't take it. But don't call other people names because they won't entertain your Big Pharma paranoia and actually have some faith in science.[/QUOTE]I will take the vaccine the Russian or Chinese one not the Pfister or Moderna which is not a vaccine but a RNA treatment (genetic), but I still believe that the efficiency will be the same that for the normal flue vaccine which means low.
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[QUOTE=Sebastiane;2511662]I am sad that Palace is still closed. -- its been over 6 months. I'm glad I was able to go last spring before the shutdown due to Covid19. I hope it doesn't shut down completely. That would be a terrible loss!
Any idea if FKK clubs in Hessen will likely reopen by end of Jan 2021?[/QUOTE]My 2 cents: No FKK in Germany will open before August / September. Or even later in the year. And to all sex tourists coming from high risk areas: Stay home, we don't need any mutants here in Germany. We got Silvana, that's enough.
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]BigBuddy69,
Do something about your people. Why do the old French guys both insist on being stubbornly poorly informed despite being fed platters of information? Is it the arrogant French stereotype of just old man stubbornness?
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Better wake up if you want to see the inside of an FKK club again in your lives.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2525724]I will take the vaccine the Russian or Chinese one not the Pfister or Moderna which is not a vaccine but a RNA treatment (genetic), but I still believe that the efficiency will be the same that for the normal flue vaccine which means low.[/QUOTE]Exactly right! Only a total idiot would want to get a, potentially, DNA-altering "vaccine" for a virus that is constantly mutating.
Guess what: according to German research, the Astra-Zeneca vaccine barely works on protecting older people. Link in German from Handelsblatt. De, a serious German publication and not exactly a tabloid: [URL]https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/deutschland/pandemie-bekaempfung-rueckschlag-bei-corona-impfstoff-astra-zeneca-vakzin-wirkt-bei-senioren-offenbar-kaum/26849788.html[/URL].
Here is a link in English: [URL]https://www.dw.com/en/astrazeneca-german-reports-on-low-efficacy-on-over-65s-completely-incorrect/a-56341198[/URL].
Keep on hoping against hope that in 2021 FKK clubs will open, because the future is looking increasingly dark. With this enormous fear campaign in the media and even 'strong men' being complete pussies worrying about a flu, have any of you guys even considered how many girls would be willing to return to work even IF things would return to "normal?" As far as I could tell, the line up was quite lousy during the very limited time that some clubs were allowed to open last year, so what makes anyone think that girls will be returning en-masse if or when things open up again?
Guys, if ANY of you want to see the inside of an FKK club again in your lives, you'd better wake up and stop believing the fearmongers, because this is no longer about a virus. It doesn't matter how many "vaccines" you're willing to take, this is about establishing a fascist technocratic regime.
This is what Stasi-Mutti Merkel said today: 'this thing has managed to get away from us,' mentally preparing everybody for more lockdowns and more totalitarian travel restrictions. I could not (yet) find a link in English, but this is from Stern. De [URL]https://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/merkel-ueber-corona-lage---das-ding-ist-uns-entglitten--30207930.html[/URL].
Forget about any FKK visits in 2021 (or 2022) boys, unless you wake up and start resisting the lies and the propaganda! This will be an endless game of lockdowns, travel restrictions, and "vaccines."
P.S. I wonder how many FKK clubs are actually bankrupt already and have filed all necessary the paperwork, but that we simply don't know because no other clubs are open as a comparison.
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At Mursenary: More than 13 years of prostitute addiction can take a toll on your mental health, especially if you already had a condition before.
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Unnamed Individuals in the German Government
Don't rely on unnamed individuals in the German government quoted in the two newspapers. Maybe some posters could actually read what is in the link. Seems like it contradicts the poster's take about any ineffectiveness in elders. Can the chicken littles wait for named officials to weigh in and for the German government to make decisions? By the way, fascist technocratic governments have taken over a long time ago. You just noticed ?
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2525813]Here is a link in English: [URL]https://www.dw.com/en/astrazeneca-german-reports-on-low-efficacy-on-over-65s-completely-incorrect/a-56341198[/URL][/QUOTE]Did you at least read this article? They're explaining that the mistake probably comes from a confusion in figures.
Take a look at this: [URL]https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/german-paper-s-oxford-vaccine-muddle[/URL].
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2525813]Exactly right! Only a total idiot would want to get a, potentially, DNA-altering "vaccine" for a virus that is constantly mutating.
Guess what: according to German research, the Astra-Zeneca vaccine barely works on protecting older people. Link in German from Handelsblatt. De, a serious German publication and not exactly a tabloid: [URL]https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/deutschland/pandemie-bekaempfung-rueckschlag-bei-corona-impfstoff-astra-zeneca-vakzin-wirkt-bei-senioren-offenbar-kaum/26849788.html[/URL].
Here is a link in English: [URL]https://www.dw.com/en/astrazeneca-german-reports-on-low-efficacy-on-over-65s-completely-incorrect/a-56341198[/URL].
Keep on hoping against hope that in 2021 FKK clubs will open, because the future is looking increasingly dark. With this enormous fear campaign in the media and even 'strong men' being complete pussies worrying about a flu, have any of you guys even considered how many girls would be willing to return to work even IF things would return to "normal?" As far as I could tell, the line up was quite lousy during the very limited time that some clubs were allowed to open last year, so what makes anyone think that girls will be returning en-masse if or when things open up again?
Guys, if ANY of you want to see the inside of an FKK club again in your lives, you'd better wake up and stop believing the fearmongers, because this is no longer about a virus. It doesn't matter how many "vaccines" you're willing to take, this is about establishing a fascist technocratic regime..[/QUOTE]Only very few FKK will bankrupt, just have a look on the owner of the FKK and you will see they will always need washing machines.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2525814]At Mursenary: More than 13 years of prostitute addiction can take a toll on your mental health, especially if you already had a condition before.[/QUOTE]Wait, one said he didn't see hookers until 2010. Is the math wrong? Hmmmm.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2525801]]BigBuddy69,
Do something about your people. Why do the old French guys both insist on being stubbornly poorly informed despite being fed platters of information? Is it the arrogant French stereotype of just old man stubbornness?[/QUOTE]You and your bald friends but maybe you never saw their look, just put me on your ignore list, but I'm sure you will then log out to read me, as my jealous followers you are, reading all my writings, even on forum where I wrote previously. When I enjoy prettiest girls.
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[QUOTE=RogueNation;2525742]My 2 cents: No FKK in Germany will open before August / September. Or even later in the year. And to all sex tourists coming from high risk areas: Stay home, we don't need any mutants here in Germany. We got Silvana, that's enough.[/QUOTE]When Germany is in big trouble, Merkel is now thinking about no international flight entering Germany. I agree EU have to protect more for our safety. I m pretty sure Switzerland should open earlier than August.
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Now more than 100 000 deaths in down under UK with 50.000 deaths since November. Also riots in NL versus lockdown to protect their health. Germany thinking about no international flights entering Germany. Virus and mutants seem very strong in the cold. Few Swiss clubs remain open.
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[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2525832]Don't rely on unnamed individuals in the German government quoted in the two newspapers. Maybe some posters could actually read what is in the link. Seems like it contradicts the poster's take about any ineffectiveness in elders. Can the chicken littles wait for named officials to weigh in and for the German government to make decisions? By the way, fascist technocratic governments have taken over a long time ago. You just noticed ?[/QUOTE]Well, I don't know how good your German is in "Beijing," (is posting on forums the job you do for the Chinese government?) so please tell us where you disagree with what I previously posted. You really sound a lot like another forum user, who also likes to make accusations and specializes in gaslighting, without presenting any facts. Please give us some direct quotes and facts, instead of more gaslighting.
I'll give the readers here some quotes;.
The title of the first article reads: "areückschlag bei Corona-Impfstoff: Astra-Zeneca-Vakzin wirkt bei Senioren offenbar kaum" translation by myself: "setback with Corona vaccine: Astra-Zeneca vaccine barely works with senior citizens. ".
In the article: "Nach Informationen des Handelsblatts aus Koalitionskreisen rechnet die Bundesregierung nur mit einer Wirksamkeit von acht Prozent bei den über 65-Jährigen. " translation by myself: "According to information of the government coalition in possession of Handelsblatt, the government counts on only an efficacy of 8% among people older than 65. "
I'm not going to translate the whole second article myself (use Google Translate if you want) because I have work to do, but a key paragraph which is relevant for people thinking about traveling is this one: "Auch die Auslandsreisen vieler Deutscher soll die Kanzlerin kritisiert haben, berichtete das Blatt. Weihnachten seien jeden Tag 50.000 Menschen auf die Kanaren und die Malediven geflogen. "Warum können wir die Reisen nicht verbieten? Soll die Regierungschefin gefragt haben. Man müsse "den Flugverkehr so ausdünnen, dass man nirgendwo mehr hinkommt", sagte Merkel nach Angaben von Zuhörern der Schalte. Sie fügte auch an, Deutschland brauche ein härteres Grenzregime. "
My translation:
"The Chancellor is also to have criticised the many foreign travels of Germans, the newspaper reported. Over the Christmas holidays, every day 50000 people have flown to the Canary Islands and the Maldives. "Why can't we just outlaw this travel," the Head of Government is supposed to have said. "One has to thin out air travel in such a way that people can no longer travel anywhere," Merkel said according to listeners of the connection. She added: "Germany needs a harsh border regime. ".
Get ready for another Berlin Wall with barbed wire and mine fields, and an Iron Curtain from Stasi-Mutti Merkel boys! As I said, if you want to see the inside of an FKK club ever again, you better start waking up and see the totalitarian agenda behind this "pandemic!
P.S. Merkel, like many other politicians, usually 'communicates' her plans through "sources" in the mainstream media ahead of time. It's called "expectation management" in order to mentally prepare the Proletariate of what's coming next.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2525845]Wait, one said he didn't see hookers until 2010. Is the math wrong? Hmmmm.[/QUOTE]Correct me if I'm wrong but 2020-2007=13 right? And 2021-2007=14, so we'll soon have a party for the 14th year of addiction!
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You know how mothers point at the homeless man on the street and tell their children to work hard and study as to never become that way? That's why I would never put people on the ignore list. When spending so much time in the mongering fantasy world, seeing the crazies serves as a reminder to constantly self-evaluate and remind myself, "keep a sense of reality or else you might end up like him. "
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2525813]Exactly right! Only a total idiot would want to get a, potentially, DNA-altering "vaccine" for a virus that is constantly mutating..[/QUOTE][QUOTE=HammerTime96;2524491]Common sense would also tell you that a mRNA vaccine can alter your DNA, because RNA is the messenger (hence the "m" in mRNA) between proteins (the virus) and your DNA.
In a nutshell, an mRNA vaccine works the other way around, with the mRNA producing proteins, with a very high likelihood of your body developing autoimmune diseases over the next 3-5 y[/QUOTE]Gentle reminder.
Still waiting for that source to support how an mRNA code for a cell membrane binding protein can alter human DNA and cause autoimmune problems. Doesn't even have to be research. Even a page from an undergraduate level biology text book to illustrate how cell biology works would suffice.
For the purpose of accurate information and education rather than mere argument's sake of course.
Side note, ALL viruses constantly mutate but we still deem vaccines for MMR, varicella, polio, smallpox, etc effective.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2525864]You know how mothers point at the homeless man on the street and tell their children to work hard and study as to never become that way? That's why I would never put people on the ignore list. When spending so much time in the mongering fantasy world, seeing the crazies serves as a reminder to constantly self-evaluate and remind myself, "keep a sense of reality or else you might end up like him. "[/QUOTE]But you've never questioned the amount of time you spend on this site? LMFAO! No warning signs?
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Mutations and lock-downs
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2525179]After UK, south African, Brazilian, now seem new Californian mutant, which for next?[/QUOTE]Just wondering if "flattening the curve" for the ICU's has made the situation worse. Better for the Corona to burn out quick than to mutate? I'm not advocating one way or the other, don't know. But we'll see.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2525864]You know how mothers point at the homeless man on the street and tell their children to work hard and study as to never become that way? That's why I would never put people on the ignore list. When spending so much time in the mongering fantasy world, seeing the crazies serves as a reminder to constantly self-evaluate and remind myself, "keep a sense of reality or else you might end up like him. "[/QUOTE]Just look at you and your size between your legs and then you have no risk to become like me when I have only 1 profile, not many like you.
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[QUOTE=Clodius1;2525880]Just wondering if "flattening the curve" for the ICU's has made the situation worse. Better for the Corona to burn out quick than to mutate? I'm not advocating one way or the other, don't know. But we'll see.[/QUOTE]It's a nice thought experiment but there was no other alternative. I always point back to New York City and Milan in March and April. There was no flattening of the curve back then and hospitals were overrun and people who probably would have survived if we were able to deliver the proper standard of care needlessly died. The cases became manageable after the first round of restrictions but then things got much worse in the US when people stopped caring by late summer. Case numbers fell again in the fall either because people started taking more precautions again or due to a lack of social opportunities after the summer, but the holiday season caused another surge in cases and deaths.
No one wants to keep things shut down but the alternative was to let hospitals continue to get over run and society just not having the resources to keep up with the rate of infection. It's a difficult balance to decide how much activity to resume and controlling the caseload.
At the moment, "mutant" and "variant" are boogey man words. Yes, there is a possibility of them creating more challenges but currently mutations are not significant enough to abort the current plan: Get through this post-Christmas wave while vaccinating as many people as possible. My prediction is that we are currently at the end of the current surge and will begin a slow dwindle to more manageable case numbers. The key date for getting vaccinations up will be sometime in April as between now and then, I don't foresee anymore reasons for people to gather more than they already are doing.
A bigger threat than mutants is misinformation regarding vaccines, poor management in distribution, and possibly supply.
I swear there are people rooting for the vaccine to fail just to feel good about being right. (They won't be.).
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Rubbished
Barron's Magazine article by Hui Min Neo: "Germany's health ministry on Tuesday joined AstraZeneca in rubbishing reports quoting unnamed sources that claimed the British-Swedish company's Covid-19 vaccine showed little efficacy for people over 65.
Handelsblatt econony daily had reported Monday the Berlin had estimated the efficacy of the jab among over 65's at just 8 percent. Separately, Bild quoted "an efficacy of less than 10%.
But Germany's health ministry said Tuesday it "appears that two things have been mixed up in the reports".
"Around eight percent of the volunteers in AstraZeneca's efficacy studies were around 56 ad 69 years old and three to four percent are above 70 years old" The health ministry added that the European regulator EMA will evaluate the effectiveness of the vaccine. "It has been known since autumn that fewer older people were involved in AstraZeneca's first studies than in other manufacturers".
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[QUOTE=Clodius1;2525880]Just wondering if "flattening the curve" for the ICU's has made the situation worse. Better for the Corona to burn out quick than to mutate? I'm not advocating one way or the other, don't know. But we'll see.[/QUOTE]It seems that the Remdesivir, the world wide promoted medicine in Q2 by so many politicians and heath authorities could be the responsible of the variants by showing 0 results against the covid, the same are today promoting the pfister and moderna vaccine. There seems also to have a strong link between the mink farms and the spread of covid and the different variants.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2525921]It seems that the Remdesivir, the world wide promoted medicine in Q2 by so many politicians and heath authorities could be the responsible of the variants by showing 0 results against the covid, the same are today promoting the pfister and moderna vaccine. There seems also to have a strong link between the mink farms and the spread of covid and the different variants.[/QUOTE]Inaccurate and apparently a reflection of selectively picking data:
Yes a WHO study refutes other studies regarding Remdesvir efficacy:
[URL]https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2023184[/URL]
Here are the other studies that contradict the WHO study:
[URL]https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2007764[/URL]
[URL]https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2769871[/URL]
It's by no means a definitive gold standard but further studies show it being more effective if in combination with other therapies:
[URL]https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2031994[/URL]
In short:
-WHO study finds remdesivir to not be effective in reducing mortality rates in a retrospective study in which patients were not stratified based on disease severity in African and Asian hospitals using their respective standards of care.
-Other studies showed efficacy in improving clinical outcomes and reducing recovery time in patients when stratified for moderate disease severity in North American hospitals and their respective standard of care.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2525878]But you've never questioned the amount of time you spend on this site? LMFAO! No warning signs?[/QUOTE]Everyday sir! The screen addiction is real!
What about you? Want to start a self-help group?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2525867]Gentle reminder.
Still waiting for that source to support how an mRNA code for a cell membrane binding protein can alter human DNA and cause autoimmune problems. Doesn't even have to be research. Even a page from an undergraduate level biology text book to illustrate how cell biology works would suffice.
For the purpose of accurate information and education rather than mere argument's sake of course.
Side note, ALL viruses constantly mutate but we still deem vaccines for MMR, varicella, polio, smallpox, etc effective.[/QUOTE]And as a gentle reminder, we're all still waiting for you to show us any long term (5-10 years) mRNA vaccine trials on humans. Show us the long term for this mRNA vaccine trial and then you will see your source, or not!
My point is: we simply don't know any long term effects!
We have all been turned into a huge human experiment on the long term effects of mRNA vaccines, simply because the globalists that are calling the shots don't give a damn about the people, and have allowed the Big Pharma companies to skip the long term testing.
How can you do a long term (5-10 years) testing phase in 7-8 months, on humans? (I'm not talking about lab rats and mice, but on humans!) Answer me that and you'll find your "source" for how mRNA can possibly alter your DNA!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2525867]Gentle reminder.
Still waiting for that source to support how an mRNA code for a cell membrane binding protein can alter human DNA and cause autoimmune problems. Doesn't even have to be research. Even a page from an undergraduate level biology text book to illustrate how cell biology works would suffice..[/QUOTE]I have the source. It's 'I am legend' with will Smith! We will turn into some kind of blood thirsty vampires!
Even the dogs!
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[QUOTE=Clodius1;2525880]Just wondering if "flattening the curve" for the ICU's has made the situation worse. Better for the Corona to burn out quick than to mutate? I'm not advocating one way or the other, don't know. But we'll see.[/QUOTE]Real figures are UK doubled deaths = 50.000 more since November, under their mutant, when not a third world country, when London is a very famous city and one of the most expensive in the world, but full panic under their mutant, London being out of control, even under confine since 1 month and vaccining. Even Germany try now to find solutions out of EU, even ordering Trump treatment, when not enough vaccine, thinking to forbid international flights entering Germany, when they are also under confine since 1 month and telling to put on FFP2 mask. B Johnson telling now mutant is a stronger killer spreading much faster and in other countries, virus seem strong in the cold. Look also what happen in California now. I think we will have to wait a bit for German brothels, even Merkel will finish after 15 years, but Germany have to try to save their citizens and won t be enough vaccine in EU. Now even riots in NL in Eindhoven, Rotterdam, versus their first lockdown, some there prefer to die, it won t help to open in EU. Complicated 2021 start. Wish for hot weather, maybe in May / June to help. But few German brothels only opened on September.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2525852]When Germany is in big trouble, Merkel is now thinking about no international flight entering Germany. I agree EU have to protect more for our safety. I m pretty sure Switzerland should open earlier than August.[/QUOTE]With the high weekly rate of vaccinations being done in the UK (despite the Governments inept management of the pandemic) it's looking like the UK will be one of the first European countries to start lifting restrictions. Just one day last week nearly half a million people were vaccinated with the first dose.
However it won't be much help to me if Germany is still "closed" as I love my regular trips to FKK land more that punting in my own country.
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[QUOTE=Canary;2526067]With the high weekly rate of vaccinations being done in the UK (despite the Governments inept management of the pandemic) it's looking like the UK will be one of the first European countries to start lifting restrictions. Just one day last week nearly half a million people were vaccinated with the first dose.
However it won't be much help to me if Germany is still "closed" as I love my regular trips to FKK land more that punting in my own country.[/QUOTE]UK is by far highest deaths with more than 100 000 and around 1500 daily, and for cases in Europe, with no mask in streets, and should be quarantine to enter EU because very risky country at the moment with killer mutant. Wish for UK to get better than now. At the moment, I adapt at home where found a cute Ukrainian, even I m usually not much into Ukrainians, but her charm from her behavior seduced me, and for 200 for a full GFE escort. I prefer not to go to Switzerland even some Globe girls but 7 pm is too early for me. Patience.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2525978]And as a gentle reminder, we're all still waiting for you to show us any long term (5-10 years) mRNA vaccine trials on humans. Show us the long term for this mRNA vaccine trial and then you will see your source, or not!
How can you do a long term (5-10 years) testing phase in 7-8 months, on humans? (I'm not talking about lab rats and mice, but on humans!) Answer me that and you'll find your "source" for how mRNA can possibly alter your DNA![/QUOTE][QUOTE=HammerTime96;2524491]Common sense would also tell you that a mRNA vaccine can alter your DNA, because RNA is the messenger (hence the "m" in mRNA) between proteins (the virus) and your DNA.
In a nutshell, an mRNA vaccine works the other way around, with the mRNA producing proteins, with a very high likelihood of your body developing autoimmune diseases over the next 3-5 years..[/QUOTE]We can't know 5-10 year effects in 7-8 months. Obviously. 5-10 year effects are generally part of Phase IV clinical trials, the part that's conducted after approval and general use.
And no sir, we're not going to twist the statements and rewrite history. We are talking about this mRNA vaccine. One that carries a specific mRNA for this virus's spike protein, not DNA altering proteins. Membrane protein altering DNA? Rubbish. Autoimmune disease? Rubbish.
Just let it go. We've passed the peak of this thing. We have a solution so just try to stop contributing to misinformation that leads to more people being needlessly hospitalized and even dead. You don't have to be part of the solution, but at least get out of the way.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2526018]Real figures are UK doubled deaths = 50.000 more since November, under their mutant, when not a third world country, when London is a very famous city and one of the most expensive in the world, but full panic under their mutant, London being out of control, even under confine since 1 month and vaccining. Even Germany try now to find solutions out of EU, even ordering Trump treatment, when not enough vaccine, thinking to forbid international flights entering Germany, when they are also under confine since 1 month and telling to put on FFP2 mask. B Johnson telling now mutant is a stronger killer spreading much faster and in other countries, virus seem strong in the cold. Look also what happen in California now. I think we will have to wait a bit for German brothels, even Merkel will finish after 15 years, but Germany have to try to save their citizens and won t be enough vaccine in EU. Now even riots in NL in Eindhoven, Rotterdam, versus their first lockdown, some there prefer to die, it won t help to open in EU. Complicated 2021 start. Wish for hot weather, maybe in May / June to help. But few German brothels only opened on September.[/QUOTE]Real figures are France doubled deaths = 37.000 more since November, not even under a mutant, when not a third world country, when Paris is a very famous city and one of the most expensive in the world, but full panic not even under a mutant, Paris being out of control, even under curfew since over 1 month, yada yada yada.
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[QUOTE=Canary;2526067]With the high weekly rate of vaccinations being done in the UK (despite the Governments inept management of the pandemic) it's looking like the UK will be one of the first European countries to start lifting restrictions. Just one day last week nearly half a million people were vaccinated with the first dose.
However it won't be much help to me if Germany is still "closed" as I love my regular trips to FKK land more that punting in my own country.[/QUOTE]Again you are taking the assumption that the vaccine will be efficient, let us imagine that it will just be as efficient than the one for the normal flue or the one that they promised to us for the HIV. Just have a look about all the politicians or heath authorities were saying about Remdisivir in May and how all this was just bullshit, may be the same about the Pfister and Moderna vaccine.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2526176]Real figures are France doubled deaths = 37.000 more since November, not even under a mutant, when not a third world country, when Paris is a very famous city and one of the most expensive in the world, but full panic not even under a mutant, Paris being out of control, even under curfew since over 1 month, yada yada yada.[/QUOTE]Dying with or dying from Covid19 is a big difference, and generally isn't mentioned in the media, just like any normal flu is suddenly labelled "Covid19."
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2526169]We can't know 5-10 year effects in 7-8 months. Obviously. 5-10 year effects are generally part of Phase IV clinical trials, the part that's conducted after approval and general use.
And no sir, we're not going to twist the statements and rewrite history. We are talking about this mRNA vaccine. One that carries a specific mRNA for this virus's spike protein, not DNA altering proteins. Membrane protein altering DNA? Rubbish. Autoimmune disease? Rubbish.
Just let it go. We've passed the peak of this thing. We have a solution so just try to stop contributing to misinformation that leads to more people being needlessly hospitalized and even dead. You don't have to be part of the solution, but at least get out of the way.[/QUOTE]We're still waiting for you to post links to long term efficacy and side effects studies.
Ah, so now "we passed the peak of this thing?
I'll tell you why "cases" will disappear: it's because the WHO has lowered the number of cycles ('magnifications') of PCR testing: [URL]https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05[/URL].
They did this, very quietly, on the say of Biden's inauguration, probably as a little present to China Joe. People of course will still be just as "sick," but all the glory will be pointed towards China Joe and the "vaccine. " By the way, it's the same WHO which is controlled by China and their good Ethiopian agent Tedros. (have a look in Ethiopia, and how China has nearly bought up the entire country).
Lower the CT threshold = lower "cases."
[URL]https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05[/URL]
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2526178]Again you are taking the assumption that the vaccine will be efficient, let us imagine that it will just be as efficient than the one for the normal flue or the one that they promised to us for the HIV. Just have a look about all the politicians or heath authorities were saying about Remdisivir in May and how all this was just bullshit, may be the same about the Pfister and Moderna vaccine.[/QUOTE]Pfizer claim their vaccine would be efficient versus UK and south African mutants, what about Brazilian and new Californian? But they tell for second injection after 3/4 weeks, not 6 or more, so France is now following what say Pfizer for injections, despite lack of vaccine. At the moment, cases and deaths increase in Europe, let s wait for few vaccination effects. I think more warm weather higher than 20 Celsius degrees, with sun would help. When chloroquine was forbidden in France versus virus, but vitamin the is said by our medical to make organism and lungs being stronger versus virus, when lack of sun and hot weather. Our organism seem to get more vitamin the under sun, making stronger versus virus on Summer, maybe why Africa resist quite well, when they live quite naked and often under sun and warm, and also younger population with less diabetics and cardio vascular problems. But never heard about any vaccine for HIV but only pills and they don t cure. Most of girls don t care much about virus, money is more important, maybe they take vitamin the or find in our sperm?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2526176]Real figures are France doubled deaths = 37.000 more since November, not even under a mutant, when not a third world country, when Paris is a very famous city and one of the most expensive in the world, but full panic not even under a mutant, Paris being out of control, even under curfew since over 1 month, yada yada yada.[/QUOTE]Your information about France are wrong, even I agree for our too many deaths = not far from 70.000 now, but fortunately for us, we are not in same situation than UK, when we live under not so strict lockdown for us since 1 month and our hospitals didn't explode at the moment, with around 3000 in reanimation. I think at the moment, we even manage better than Germany which is also under more strict lockdown since 1 month, but no competition for deaths, the world lost versus killer covid with I think around 1,5 million deaths. And aren't you informed UK mutant is in France. Belgium closed borders because of mutants, Germany is thinking to forbid international flights entering. UK mutant is the new big problem in Western Europe, it didn't spread only in UK but crossed Channel since before Christmas, and stronger killer as told be Johnson who is down under it.
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[QUOTE=Clodius1;2525880]Just wondering if "flattening the curve" for the ICU's has made the situation worse. Better for the Corona to burn out quick than to mutate? I'm not advocating one way or the other, don't know. But we'll see.[/QUOTE]Well according to German inspectors, the AstraZeneca vaccine has a whopping 8% efficiency rate! And this is the only vaccine we are able to distribute globally to poor countries considering the temperature during transport. The other candidates too most likely have a far lower efficiency rate than the cash grabbing capitalists at the vaccine companies want to admit as well! Plus there is the potential of actually dying straight on once getting the Pfizer vaccine! But then again, we will all most likely be forced into taking the shots sooner or later, or we won't be allowed to travel nor get a job.
In other words, lets take a few months to reconsider, and watch this nice little movie named Sunbird.
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If I wanted to reduce the world population by 80-90%, this is exactly how I would imagine it.
Fact is, vaccines have hardly ever worked. And is extremely dubious regarding mutating viruses. The effect is always miniscule, and the overall effect is negative to your immune systems long term.
It is a planned virus, made in a gain-of-function lab. Go figure the rest!
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2526398]Well according to German inspectors, the AstraZeneca vaccine has a whopping 8% efficiency rate! [/QUOTE]No, it was according to German newspapers that quoted unnamed officials. This report has been denied by the German authorities. The explanation is apparently that 8% was the number of participants in the test of the relevant age range.
We'll soon find out if there was any truth to it.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2526400]Fact is, vaccines have hardly ever worked. ![/QUOTE]Polio, smallpox, tetanos, rabid? Doesn't work?
1st November: 47 000 deaths in UK, 37000 in France.
26 January: 100 000 in UK, 74 000 in France.
100 000-47 000=53 000,74 000-37 000=37 000.
Just like 2020-2007=13 and not 10. And 50+25=75 not 100.
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More than 4000 deaths in US on last day, wish for news mistake. Biden has really hard job after crazy, when he seems so much more clever for words: unity, peace and supporting US employment and companies, then even as foreigner, but can only agree with him. Wish him to make US much better again.
Everybody in Western Europe except few bullshting specialists here, tell UK is the most risky country for virus with their mutant spreading now in Europe and no revenge about brexit, Europeans would just prefer they don't send us their more killer mutant, when they don't even put mask in streets, easing spreading. I hate mask, difficult to breathe when you walk stairs, but I put when I m in streets or stores, just for respect for others, even I don't worry much about covid and mutant, keeping on kissing girls from abroad or France.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2526398]Well according to German inspectors, the AstraZeneca vaccine has a whopping 8% efficiency rate! [/QUOTE]You are spreading rumors from unnamed sources related to the over 65 group, and the German Health Ministry disavows it all.
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/26/astrazeneca-supplies-to-eu-vaccine-efficacy-for-the-elderly-in-focus.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=Pistons;2526398]And this is the only vaccine we are able to distribute globally to poor countries considering the temperature during transport. The other candidates too most likely have a far lower efficiency rate than the cash grabbing capitalists at the vaccine companies want to admit as well! Plus there is the potential of actually dying straight on once getting the Pfizer vaccine! But then again, we will all most likely be forced into taking the shots sooner or later, or we won't be allowed to travel nor get a job.[/QUOTE]Yet another tin foil hat conspiracy theory peddler that thinks adding exclamation marks will make their lies more believable. For whatever reason, monger forums attract these like flies to honey.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2526400] Fact is, vaccines have hardly ever worked. [/QUOTE]This isn't a "fact" but a ridiculous lie. I'd be laughing my ass off if there weren't a bunch of people out there dumb enough to believe you.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2526400]It is a planned virus, made in a gain-of-function lab.[/QUOTE]Yawn. This isn't the information age, it's the misinformation, click bait age where lies are sold to dumb people. Just ask Alex Jones. It's all very profitable.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2526292]We're still waiting for you to post links to long term efficacy and side effects studies.[/QUOTE]Seriously. Just try to not contribute to the problem. All of you.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2526169] You don't have to be part of the solution, but at least get out of the way.[/QUOTE]Such a request amounts to a waste of breath or typing energy, whichever the case may be. He's going to get in the way at every opportunity while relishing each moment. There's a subset, typically dumb white Americans and Euros full of misguided passion and fringe media sources, that we are going to have to live with. The line gets drawn when they start to get violent. And private media platforms can of course censor them as they wish.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2526410]1st November: 47 000 deaths in UK, 37000 in France.
26 January: 100 000 in UK, 74 000 in France.
100 000-47 000=53 000,74 000-37 000=37 000.
Just like 2020-2007=13 and not 10. And 50+25=75 not 100.[/QUOTE]We need to be more culturally sensitive. Leprechaun math is different. Something about conversion rates for the schillings in the pot of gold.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2526288]Dying with or dying from Covid19 is a big difference, and generally isn't mentioned in the media, just like any normal flu is suddenly labelled "Covid19."[/QUOTE]Whatever cause of death you want to label it, the net effect of all of this is that ICU's are over capacity despite hospitals doubling and tripling their allotment of ICU beds, doctors, and nurses. Cities aren't using sporting venues to treat the less sick just because healthcare workers wanted a change of scenery. I personally will be seeing patients in a unit constructed from shipping containers tonight. Not sure why we'd go through the trouble of constructing this multi-mullion dollar temporary facility just to keep up the covid charade.
Really man, just step way from this topic. I think deep down you know better and I'll leave this as an appeal to your morality.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2526410]Polio, smallpox, tetanos, rabid? Doesn't work?.[/QUOTE]You know how many times that statement has been ignored by the guys here rooting against the vaccine?
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2526431]More than 4000 deaths in US on last day, wish for news mistake. Biden has really hard job after crazy, when he seems so much more clever for words: unity, peace and supporting US employment and companies, then even as foreigner, but can only agree with him. Wish him to make US much better again.
Everybody in Western Europe except few bullshting specialists here, tell UK is the most risky country for virus with their mutant spreading now in Europe and no revenge about brexit, Europeans would just prefer they don't send us their more killer mutant, when they don't even put mask in streets, easing spreading. I hate mask, difficult to breathe when you walk stairs, but I put when I m in streets or stores, just for respect for others, even I don't worry much about covid and mutant, keeping on kissing girls from abroad or France.[/QUOTE]Biden was vice President for 8 years, he and Obama made Trump possible, both have a big responsibility. He is not a new comer and nothing will really change in the US.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2526446]What mean 1,8 million German cured? Vaccined? Then protected for how long? Really protected versus mutants? I think Germany is clever to try to protect their citizens health. Much more important than brothels.[/QUOTE]Could I say Siri? I think so. I took your questions from the general info thread to the chat, not to mess up the other thread.
Sorry for my amateur English, I am trying.
"Cured" in the meaning of recovered. I guess every country has these statistics. Number of infections, number of recovered and number of "active" infections. So far Germany has overall 2.178.828 million corona "cases" and 1.883.700 million of them are counted as recovered. So do the math, Germany has about 240.800 "active cases". These "active" people are in quarantine, maybe.
Recovered people went through their infections. The majority of them are okay. Symptomless sick people are symptomless healthy now. Really. But of course, some have long-term problems. The virus is hitting hard, mainly the old people.
From what I know, you can get the infection more than once. But who knows anything these days.
So far Germany has vaccinated 2. 1 million people. But I don't know if they had already the second needle, the "booster". I think some of them still waiting for the second shot.
The vaccine helps against the mutants, of course, LOL, otherwise nobody would want it anymore. It is a ugly business. Creating so much fear is not healthy, especially for the old humans.
Of course government want to protect the health. But even some of the elderly are not okay with the way government is doing. You know, shutdown shit could make sick too. No team sports for the youth, no social contact's and and and. What comes after shutdown? Next shutdown.
What is concerning me the most, that so many people are choosing the "healthy prison" over the "sick freedom". If you believe propaganda.
For example, weapon industry is still open, because they are making Germany rich. But the puffs are dangerous? This is wrong.
Fuck the government!
(I posted "fake news" about the number of people who are right now in hospital. But the adults know how to handle information. Excuse).
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2526492]Biden was vice President for 8 years, he and Obama made Trump possible, both have a big responsibility. He is not a new comer and nothing will really change in the US.[/QUOTE]I think they can't be much worst than Trump made them with 430.000 covid deaths, exploding unemployment, even threatening democracy, supporting racism. At least, Biden seems a bit more clever and safe for his words. I wish them better days when they had 2 pandemics: virus and crazy.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2526471]Seriously. Just try to not contribute to the problem. All of you.[/QUOTE]Ah yes, now we're getting testy when we run out of links and arguments? If we don't follow Dictator Mursenary's orders, we all "contribute to the problem. All of you. " The big problem is people who switch off rational thinking, allow the media induced panic to permanently settle in, and who blindly follow their fascist government orders!
So let's have more lockdowns, because they work so well? Here is the WHO and their view that lockdowns do not work, and should only be used as a short term measure to buy a little bit of time for overloaded hospitals: [URL]https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/herd-immunity-lockdowns-and-covid-19[/URL].
Quotes: "However, these measures can have a profound negative impact on individuals, communities, and societies by bringing social and economic life to a near stop. " and "Governments must make the most of the extra time granted by 'lockdown' measures by doing all they can to build their capacities to detect, isolate, test and care for all cases; trace and quarantine all contacts; engage, empower and enable populations to drive the societal response and more."
By the way, you never post many links anyway, to back up your misinformation and lies. How come you almost never back up your claims? Is it just a huge gaslighting campaign sponsored by your Big Pharma buddies?
So with the WHO's recommendation to NOT have lockdowns in mind, we now go back to March 2020 and the "2 weeks lockdown to flatten the curve" lie, supposedly to reduce the stress on hospitals.
Here is a video of German and Austrian hospitals in 2017 and 2018: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwSrEXYQfJE[/URL] Here is a video in English about the USA: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKM_nV2luUI[/URL].
Notice a pattern here?
Why haven't governments increased hospital capacity in 2020? Why haven't they looked into successful treatments like Hydroxychloroquin or Ivermectin? Especially ivermectin seems to be very very successful in treating Covid19 patients (and would therefore be a huge help for overloaded hospitals! Yet nobody wants to talk about it.
Why? Is it incompetence from governments, or are they deliberately creating a crisis for their Great Reset? I'll leave it up to ISG readers to make up their own mind, but I expect the usual gaslighting posts from the usual suspects, without any proof.
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[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2526513]Could I say Siri? I think so. I took your questions from the general info thread to the chat, not to mess up the other thread.
Sorry for my amateur English, I am trying.
"Cured" in the meaning of recovered. I guess every country has these statistics. Number of infections, number of recovered and number of "active" infections. So far Germany has overall 2.178.828 million corona "cases" and 1.883.700 million of them are counted as recovered. So do the math, Germany has about 240.800 "active cases". These "active" people are in quarantine, maybe.
Recovered people went through their infections. The majority of them are okay. Symptomless sick people are symptomless healthy now. Really. But of course, some have long-term problems. The virus is hitting hard, mainly the old people..[/QUOTE]I wish Germany to be better than on beginning of this year, even being under strict confine since 1 month, but still in big trouble. More important in my opinions, than brothels. We just have to control to wait. No ski is much bigger frustration for me. Didn't you see shameful riots with hooligans breaking, burning, in NL, when government try to get less deaths, really crazy when I m sure they would cry if old mother died from virus.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2526492]Biden was vice President for 8 years, he and Obama made Trump possible, both have a big responsibility. He is not a new comer and nothing will really change in the US.[/QUOTE]What do you mean nothing will change. Hedge funds and billionaires are playing games in the stock market and the everyday people will lose their life savings chasing the dream. Keystone XL pipeline is stopped so close to 50000 jobs are lost and subsidies to oil companies are stopped so gas prices start to climb, which will consume the increase in minimum wage. Biden has set in motion to stop deportations of people who illegally enter the country and to withdraw patrols along the borders, on land, in the air and at sea.
I don't mind immigrants. Let them fill out papers and enter legally like I did in Europe. If the French like Biden so much they should give him control of their country and feel the pain. Wait, then their wealth would all start Jumping the border to Belgium again.
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[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2526513]Could I say Siri? I think so. I took your questions from the general info thread to the chat, not to mess up the other thread.
Sorry for my amateur English, I am trying.
"Cured" in the meaning of recovered. I guess every country has these statistics. Number of infections, number of recovered and number of "active" infections. So far Germany has overall 2.178.828 million corona "cases" and 1.883.700 million of them are counted as recovered. So do the math, Germany has about 240.800 "active cases". These "active" people are in quarantine, maybe.
Recovered people went through their infections. The majority of them are okay. Symptomless sick people are symptomless healthy now. Really. But of course, some have long-term problems. The virus is hitting hard, mainly the old people.
From what I know, you can get the infection more than once. But who knows anything these days.
So far Germany has vaccinated 2. 1 million people. But I don't know if they had already the second needle, the "booster". I think some of them still waiting for the second shot.
The vaccine helps against the mutants, of course, LOL, otherwise nobody would want it anymore. It is a ugly business. Creating so much fear is not healthy, especially for the old humans.
Of course government want to protect the health. But even some of the elderly are not okay with the way government is doing. You know, shutdown shit could make sick too. No team sports for the youth, no social contact's and and and. What comes after shutdown? Next shutdown.
What is concerning me the most, that so many people are choosing the "healthy prison" over the "sick freedom". If you believe propaganda.
For example, weapon industry is still open, because they are making Germany rich. But the puffs are dangerous? This is wrong.
Fuck the government!
(I posted "fake news" about the number of people who are right now in hospital. But the adults know how to handle information. Excuse).[/QUOTE]The irony is that in China life goes on as if nothing has happened. Crowded streets, clubs, gyms, trains, parties, etc. with no one wearing masks. What a pity they cracked down on prostitution there!
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2526472]Such a request amounts to a waste of breath or typing energy, whichever the case may be. He's going to get in the way at every opportunity while relishing each moment. There's a subset, typically dumb white Americans and Euros full of misguided passion and fringe media sources, that we are going to have to live with. The line gets drawn when they start to get violent. And private media platforms can of course censor them as they wish.[/QUOTE]Yep, you're right. But you still give people a shot and let them make their own decisions. Didn't hurt me any to appeal to his better angels and give him the opportunity to have a second of reason and logical clarity. We.
On the flip, being a incessant inbox bombing crybaby is also pretty distasteful.
He and Shoe are eerily like minded countrymen.
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"Largely Electric"
Ah, the wheel. The horse & buggy days. Industrial Revolution, anti Semite Henry Ford. Mister Boeing. Changes. "General Motors sets goal of going largely electric by 2035" Getting the message Neanderthals?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2526478]We need to be more culturally sensitive. Leprechaun math is different. Something about conversion rates for the schillings in the pot of gold.[/QUOTE]How interesting you brought up the Schilling! I like this! Monetary history! Do you know more about the relation / link between the money supply and politics / wars / disasters too? Or say a certain virus made in Wuhan?
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2526453]This isn't a "fact" but a ridiculous lie. I'd be laughing my ass off if there weren't a bunch of people out there dumb enough to believe you.
Yawn. This isn't the information age, it's the misinformation, click bait age where lies are sold to dumb people. Just ask Alex Jones. It's all very profitable.[/QUOTE]The misinformation age has been with us for thousands of years. But with the internet, misinformation has been democratized.
You should read two books:
1. The Media is the Message. It shows how it is the actual medium (as in speach, tv, radio, internet) that drives the conversation paradigm.
2. The Prince. How state rulers have always relied on misinformation.
My two most well read professors at university have both been very clear about this. 99% of all we hear and read about in msm in misinformation.
We can go even further and say that everything we hear is misinformation. The entire reality we live in is subjective. And as soon as you hear something from another point of view, it is misinformation the very second you try to disect it.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2526405]No, it was according to German newspapers that quoted unnamed officials. This report has been denied by the German authorities. The explanation is apparently that 8% was the number of participants in the test of the relevant age range.
We'll soon find out if there was any truth to it.[/QUOTE]1 word: Spindoctors!
And you believe it because?
How do you pick out one article you choose to believe, and not the former?
I don't think you actually grasp the reality of blue feed / red feed.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2526410]Polio, smallpox, tetanos, rabid? Doesn't work?[/QUOTE]1. Are these diseases mutating at a high pace over time?
2. Never underestimate the result of other societal factors such as smaller households and improved cleanliness. When did the washing machine arrive? How was the case numbers year by year of those diseases prior to the vaccines arriving? Questions never asked in the grand scheme of cherry picked news agenda.
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[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2526705]Ah, the wheel. The horse & buggy days. Industrial Revolution, anti Semite Henry Ford. Mister Boeing. Changes. "General Motors sets goal of going largely electric by 2035" Getting the message Neanderthals?[/QUOTE]Well, I know first hand how the oil / gas industry is poisoning the entire worlds ocean and the entire organic world ground up through PCB's. So we don't really have a choice. Coal is just as bad. The industrial age generation where the boomers are still at the helm are a major problem because of their indoctrination from a very young age, and a long life of lies. And the lie regarding Co2 is just a continuation of such indoctrinated belief system of lies. Propaganda. But CO2 is far easier to taxate than particular PCB's floating around, killing all life on earth eventually. So electric is the only way. I think Soros and some professors with a clue knows this, that is why the green agenda is being pushed. But what means to an end? Should we kill half the worlds population through covid, or through the vaccine of covid first? Well I am not taking it, and judging from the mutations seen in Brazil lately, you'd be brain damaged if you'd do. Damaged by propaganda. An industry rejoicing all the way to the bank these days!
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Maybe its best 50% of the population dies just like in The Avengers. Given how stupid people are. Just like ants. Who cares anyway if an intergalactic motorway is being built through our neighborhood. Besides, it is not like we need labor going forward anyway. AI fixes that problem! So I am secretly cheering on the deep state! I just find it a bit hilarious how all the indoctrinated sheeps are refusing to think for themselves.
Either way, most 'people' are after all probably just NPC's in a computer generated simulation anyway.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWIi6Pytde8[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2526451]You are spreading rumors from unnamed sources related to the over 65 group, and the German Health Ministry disavows it all.
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/26/astrazeneca-supplies-to-eu-vaccine-efficacy-for-the-elderly-in-focus.html[/URL]
Yet another tin foil hat conspiracy theory peddler that thinks adding exclamation marks will make their lies more believable. For whatever reason, monger forums attract these like flies to honey.[/QUOTE]If you want a professional term for this article you are linking me, lets just call it 'Crisis Management'. That is the textbook answer I will give you!
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2526638]The irony is that in China life goes on as if nothing has happened. Crowded streets, clubs, gyms, trains, parties, etc. with no one wearing masks. What a pity they cracked down on prostitution there![/QUOTE]Parts of China = more than 18 millions people were closed, isolated. After Belgium, no strict lockdown but France will also close borders, even needing negative test from EU.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2526617]I wish Germany to be better than on beginning of this year, even being under strict confine since 1 month, but still in big trouble. More important in my opinions, than brothels. We just have to control to wait. No ski is much bigger frustration for me. Didn't you see shameful riots with hooligans breaking, burning, in NL, when government try to get less deaths, really crazy when I m sure they would cry if old mother died from virus.[/QUOTE]Some parts of night life are in shutdown since nearly a year, not a month.
The trouble is half as big as media makes it. Who is controlling the media and why that way how it is?
I think government is setting wrong priorities, like I wrote before, I think they should (and could) rotate the shutdown a bit. Just to keep the troops together! Not enough boobs in TV!
German numbers are falling, they have some kind of control. Germans are following the rules, even if it is tough. Small virus is not a big deal for German oaks.
You could ski in Germany with mask down the hill, together with the "rodel Raudies". All safe, no infections there.
I saw a few pictures of the riots. Attacking small shops and burning cars of poor people isn't that smart. But I liked how they attacked test stations and big (jumbo?) super markt chain. LOL. Don't worry about police, they have protection helmet and are trained well.
Maybe the protestors have a reason not to like new NL government. It's not a shame to hit the streets for freedom. It's a must!
Usually humans have one mother. Everybody who loose his mother would be crying, his own mother. No need to cry for months if somebody else loose his mother. It doesn't mean somebody is a bad human. Death is part of life.
Third world war! Try to have fun with it.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2526638]The irony is that in China life goes on as if nothing has happened. Crowded streets, clubs, gyms, trains, parties, etc. with no one wearing masks. What a pity they cracked down on prostitution there![/QUOTE]The crazy Asians. If an Asian likes you, she smiles at you. If an Asian hates you, she smiles at you. If you ask an Asian "How are you?" she smiles at you, because the answer could make her "losing the face".
Now ask a Chinese if he likes Xi Jing Ping and the dictatorship government. Guess what he is doing? Right, smiling.
The Chinese are stealing knowledge, killing the Uiguren and arresting people who go to demonstrate for democracy.
Freedom for Hong Kong and Josh Wong!
The Chinese are number one when it comes to A. I. How impressive. The Chinese need no prostitution, they can't fuck. Ask the hookers!
And now imagine my face with a smile. Greetings.
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All of that to say "I have no references and was full of shit about autoimmune disease and altering human DNA and will continue to be a source of obstruction."
Will continue to wait.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2526577]Ah yes, now we're getting testy when we run out of links and arguments? If we don't follow Dictator Mursenary's orders, we all "contribute to the problem. All of you. " The big problem is people who switch off rational thinking, allow the media induced panic to permanently settle in, and who blindly follow their fascist government orders!
Blah blah blah blah blah blah.[/QUOTE][QUOTE] Quote Originally Posted by HammerTime96
Common sense would also tell you that a mRNA vaccine can alter your DNA, because RNA is the messenger (hence the "m" in mRNA) between proteins (the virus) and your DNA.
In a nutshell, an mRNA vaccine works the other way around, with the mRNA producing proteins, with a very high likelihood of your body developing autoimmune diseases over the next 3-5 years..[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2526736]Some parts of night life are in shutdown since nearly a year, not a month.
The trouble is half as big as media makes it. Who is controlling the media and why that way how it is?
I think government is setting wrong priorities, like I wrote before, I think they should (and could) rotate the shutdown a bit. Just to keep the troops together! Not enough boobs in TV!
German numbers are falling, they have some kind of control. Germans are following the rules, even if it is tough. Small virus is not a big deal for German oaks.
You could ski in Germany with mask down the hill, together with the "rodel Raudies". All safe, no infections there.
I saw a few pictures of the riots. Attacking small shops and burning cars of poor people isn't that smart. But I liked how they attacked test stations and big (jumbo?) super markt chain. LOL. Don't worry about police, they have protection helmet and are trained well.
Maybe the protestors have a reason not to like new NL government. It's not a shame to hit the streets for freedom. It's a must![/QUOTE]In my opinion, too many deaths in France, even 90% old, and same for most parts of EU and the world, except Africa and I'm very happy for them. I just don't care about Asia because they lie about figures. I think Germany and France try to do best they can to make as less deaths as they can, with now lack of vaccine. When I think Swiss polizei are robbers, but I didn't experience same in US, I worked with French police and also at the moment for safety conditions for my job, they just work for our safety even sometimes complicated to work with them, they are not different people than us, so even they can mistake and I sometimes argue with them, but only for words, but they should never be attacked when they provide our safety. I m pretty sure NL hooligans won t compete for Nobel award. I think just have to be patient to wait for old, weak, medical and at risk for job to be protected, and then warriors, ironmen and mercenary like me can decide for risk for their life, but I think to understand need to vaccine at risk ones every year and wish for efficiency versus mutants. WGs don t worry about virus, but they can give to many.
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[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2526742].....The Chinese need no prostitution, they can't fuck. ....[/QUOTE]But there are 1,442,539,900 Chinese. How did that happen?
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[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2526742]The crazy Asians. If an Asian likes you, she smiles at you. If an Asian hates you, she smiles at you. If you ask an Asian "How are you?" she smiles at you, because the answer could make her "losing the face".[/QUOTE]You're aware that there are like a a dozen Asian nations with different cultures, histories, governments, and physical attributes right? A Japanese and a Laos person has as much similarity as a German and a Romanian. Koreans and Indonesians as much as a Dutch and a Spaniard.
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[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2526736]Death is part of life.[/QUOTE]Not really. These are opposite definitions. Or another way of defining death is that it is the terminating action that ends life.
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[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2526742]The crazy Asians. If an Asian likes you, she smiles at you. If an Asian hates you, she smiles at you. If you ask an Asian "How are you?" she smiles at you, because the answer could make her "losing the face".[/QUOTE]Most people actually finds this question stupid. Or rather, it is culturally bound by definition. In some countries you get the standard response "fine" or "good". While elsewhere people are expecting a verbal biography lasting 30 minutes over a phone session with some female that is just bored and wants to talk to someone. While in other places, that question itself is considered stupid because it is too open ended. I actually adhere to the last. Not totally sure what all Chinese do, but China is a big country, so I suspect you will find a lot of differences. But don't define 1.4 billion people by female Tinder users in Shenzhen. Money is probably the only priority there. And they have their own scam bible no matter how silly and easy the scams are to avoid or read. The Thai scam bible is a bit more intricate, but even that is easily learnt. It just means they have more experience at it, and by that they might have learnt a set of different simple standard replies to this simple standard question.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2526855]In my opinion, too many deaths in France, even 90% old, and same for most parts of EU and the world, except Africa and I'm very happy for them. I just don't care about Asia because they lie about figures. I think Germany and France try to do best they can to make as less deaths as they can, with now lack of vaccine. When I think Swiss polizei are robbers, but I didn't experience same in US, I worked with French police and also at the moment for safety conditions for my job, they just work for our safety even sometimes complicated to work with them, they are not different people than us, so even they can mistake and I sometimes argue with them, but only for words, but they should never be attacked when they provide our safety. I m pretty sure NL hooligans won t compete for Nobel award. I think just have to be patient to wait for old, weak, medical and at risk for job to be protected, and then warriors, ironmen and mercenary like me can decide for risk for their life, but I think to understand need to vaccine at risk ones every year and wish for efficiency versus mutants. WGs don t worry about virus, but they can give to many.[/QUOTE]How many death in France? About 76.000 counted or / and declared in 11 month. I hope you didn't lost one family member or friend.
Germany has so far 57.000 death and about 83 million citizens. Maybe try to focus on all the babies who were born during that time. Should be way much healthier. Little babies are so cute. If I would shave 0.1% of my hair, nobody would see a different.
You really think Asia is lying about their numbers? German propaganda TV always try to sell Asian countries (for example Taiwan, South Korea) as role models for handling the plandemic as the best.
In Germany the police are not really normal people, it's more like their are standardised. Algorithm choose who is allowed to work for police. You need to be on the line and in some regions you become a mobbing victim if you don't like the Nazi tradition. Sad.
Safety? I guess you didn't protested against the new French "safety law" that should forbid people to film the police while they are beating us normal people? Are you a state lawyer? Again, no one should attack some one else, look at them officers, these guys are machines, fully armed. It's nearly not possible to hurt them. But good that they are "protecting the health".
From what I know, not only "hooligans" demonstrated for peace, freedom and a alternative shutdown politic.
I know academics, okay not Nobel award winners, who are very intelligent but don't know how to drive a bicycle or to find a hooker in a club. They need help from monger board, but still failing. LOL.
I wish you don't have to wait that long for your needle. The EU wasn't able to get it done and Pharma gang is greedy. Germany needed one month to give the first and second vaccine shot to only about 500.000 people. Now imagine German government would be able to turn up the speed and they would be able to make 5 million people per month immune with the vaccine, then it takes over a year to make enough people immune to reach "herd immunity".
Another full year shutdown?
Fuck the government!
The WG's worry about their health, at least the ones I met. Maybe the government should ask hookers who worked in January, February and March 2020 in FKK Clubs about their Corona experience. Theoretical they all had it.
Vive la France!
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2526885]But there are 1,442,539,900 Chinese. How did that happen?[/QUOTE]This is a very good question. What happened to the "one child politic"? Maybe Xi Jing Ping should legalize prostitution, could help to avoid that they fuck around like rabbits. Or the Republic plans to take over the world and they producing more soldiers who are writing Internet comments.
1.4 Billions, this is massive. Thanks for the information.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2526945]You're aware that there are like a a dozen Asian nations with different cultures, histories, governments, and physical attributes right? A Japanese and a Laos person has as much similarity as a German and a Romanian. Koreans and Indonesians as much as a Dutch and a Spaniard.[/QUOTE]Yes, I am aware of it. Even I never was in Asia by myself. For example I heard that farmers usually have a more "darker" skin from working under the sun and the richer the Asian, the more he tries to keep his skin "bright" not to look like a farmer. A bit like Michael Jackson.
Isn't it weird? Some Germans go to the tanning machine to look more "brown" and some Asians want to stay "white".
Mei Mei.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2526998]Not really. These are opposite definitions. Or another way of defining death is that it is the terminating action that ends life.[/QUOTE]In Germany they have something like funeral service. And you don't need to be dead to go there. It is actually more like you need to be alive to celebrate the death.
My last visit at a funeral service was very sad, but after it was over we were getting really drunk. You ever saw a bot who had one in the tea?
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2527002]Most people actually finds this question stupid. Or rather, it is culturally bound by definition. In some countries you get the standard response "fine" or "good". While elsewhere people are expecting a verbal biography lasting 30 minutes over a phone session with some female that is just bored and wants to talk to someone. While in other places, that question itself is considered stupid because it is too open ended. I actually adhere to the last. Not totally sure what all Chinese do, but China is a big country, so I suspect you will find a lot of differences. But don't define 1.4 billion people by female Tinder users in Shenzhen. Money is probably the only priority there. And they have their own scam bible no matter how silly and easy the scams are to avoid or read. The Thai scam bible is a bit more intricate, but even that is easily learnt. It just means they have more experience at it, and by that they might have learnt a set of different simple standard replies to this simple standard question.[/QUOTE]Always look in the eyes while someone (Asian, European, etc) is smiling. If the eyes are not "smiling" together with the lips, it could tell you that the one you are facing don't feel that comfortable or is maybe not smiling "honest".
But who am I telling this? Any hooker specialist knows it. "How are you? Where you from? You want to go to the room? Why not? I deliver great service!
The masks are a total disaster, especially for little children, they need to see the whole face of people. Masks are for gangsters not for newborns who should differ between the nurse and the mother.
Bring 1 million scientist with 10 million studies, which cost 100 million euro and then go out into the cold, breath hot air out of your lungs. You can see the cloud, the "virus cloud" and then take off the mask and breath out again. The cloud is definitely bigger and tighter, but the effect against "Aerosols" is overrated.
Masks off! Especially under open sky where nobody is around! But governments prefer to punish people who don't follow.
Stand up!
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[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2526742]The crazy Asians. If an Asian likes you, she smiles at you. If an Asian hates you, she smiles at you. If you ask an Asian "How are you?" she smiles at you, because the answer could make her "losing the face".
Now ask a Chinese if he likes Xi Jing Ping and the dictatorship government. Guess what he is doing? Right, smiling.
The Chinese are stealing knowledge, killing the Uiguren and arresting people who go to demonstrate for democracy.
Freedom for Hong Kong and Josh Wong!
The Chinese are number one when it comes to A. I. How impressive. The Chinese need no prostitution, they can't fuck. Ask the hookers!
And now imagine my face with a smile. Greetings.[/QUOTE]Are you really sure that the things are so simply? Advice you to pass your Chinese driving license (like me) to drive alone several 100000 kilometers through China including the Muslim regions, may be you will get a better understanding that only the news from journalists who can t speak mandarin and can t travel alone in China. Most of the Chinese people are very happy about their impressive living tandard increase in the last decades, because for you the democracy is always the same choice between are and the in the US, like in France the FN represents 30% of the voters but have more or less no deputies, like in Germany after the elections there is always a coalition and at least 8 million poor people in the richest country in Europe, like in UK. Why are you not speaking about the rights of the Christians in Armenia, in the middle east. In many countries in Africa.
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To put things into perspective
Global population: 7,8 billion (= 7800 million) [URL]https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/[/URL].
Total Covid 19 deaths: 2,3 million [URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL].
Covid 19 deaths as a percentage of world population: 0,029%.
Compare that to real pandemics, like the Black Plague ([URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death[/URL]) and the Spanish Flu ([URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu[/URL]), which killed roughly 100 million and 17 million people respectively. And this is on a much smaller global population so the percentage will be much bigger.
And all this when the WHO even admits that lockdowns don't work: [URL]https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/herd-immunity-lockdowns-and-covid-19[/URL].
And when the infection mortality rate is 0,05% for people <70 (page 7): [URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf[/URL].
P.S. With the Bubonic Plague, 80% of untreated patients died within 8 days: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death[/URL]#Bubonic_plague "Left untreated, of those that contract the bubonic plague, 80 percent die within eight days".
Perhaps it's high time for some forum member to look into PTSD counseling, because they have clearly been brainwashed and scared to such an extreme that they are afraid of living and are now actively destroying the P6 scene around the globe.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2526665]On the flip, being a incessant inbox bombing crybaby is also pretty distasteful.[/QUOTE]Not just inbox bombing, but there seems to be a lot of derogatory language on General and Rants CV19 thread. If one finds himself constantly responding in anger at the keyboard, perhaps that is an opportunity to reflect. Do you have too much free time? Is your life that empty that you need IMMEDIATELY respond to any and all "attacks" on you?
If you have truly accomplished things IRL, then you should be used to a certain amount of criticism and haters. I once used Mesut Ozil as an example. When you reach those heights, harsh criticism comes with the accolades. Even if Mesut wanted to, he does not have enough time in the day to respond to even a fraction of his haters. That said, you don't have to be world famous celebrity to be "high profile". Examples: (1) Mesut as a relatively unknown teenage footballer growing up in Gelsenkirchen, (2) a nerdy scientist who speaks at conferences and is at the top of his field, (3) a pretty 21 yo instagram model with a few thousand followers. These people all attract their share of haters. They probably do not care what anonymous, random nobodies on the Internet say about them, because their sense of importance is derived elsewhere.
To be clear, I am not asking that the back and forth between ISGers stop. About ten percent of that is entertaining (when witty, original and creative). But the same tired lame jokes about Sylvana? I could probably live without that. Likewise the general looking down on others: some of the postings on ISG read like the manifestos that an incel would release prior to a mass-shooting. "I am entitled. I am a victim. Everyone is jealous. All these people are beneath me. These people are too dumb to recognize my superiority" etc.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2527410]Perhaps it's high time for some forum member to look into PTSD counseling, because they have clearly been brainwashed and scared to such an extreme that they are afraid of living and are now actively destroying the P6 scene around the globe.[/QUOTE]No monger is destroying the scene. Most of the places are closed, so are the borders, you really think that the mongers decided this? You want to do like your Trumpet friends, go March on the FKK Sharks and break inside the club?
You should read again the article that you're quoting:
[QUOTE]Large scale physical distancing measures and movement restrictions, often referred to as lockdowns, [b]can slow COVID‑19 transmission by limiting contact between people[/b].[/QUOTE][QUOTE]WHO recognizes that at certain points, some countries have had no choice but to issue stay-at-home orders and other measures, to buy time.[/QUOTE]You all have trouble reading articles in Sweden? Basically they say that it worked as a last resort response.
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Fauci Calls for Anal COVID Tests. Ready to Bend Over?
"Concerned that COVID fatigue may undermine adherence to the government's concoction of health edicts, disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci is looking closely at the Chinese anal test protocol.
"With reports now indicating that the shutdowns mandated around the world may have killed more people than the virus, that the CDC's recommendations against using hydroxychloroquine were mistaken, and the seemingly hypocritical behavior of many government officials from Gov. Gavin Newsom in California to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in Washington, too many people have become jaded and skeptical about the pandemic," Fauci said. "We need something dramatic to regenerate a healthy fear of contracting the disease."
"Fortunately, developments in China may be showing us the way," Doctor Fauci declared. "The Chinese government now says that anal testing for COVID is more accurate than the nasal swabbing we have been doing. They have set up anal swabbing stations at airports and other transportation venues where all who wish to travel must pass an anal swab test before being permitted to board a vehicle. Police are authorized to randomly pull people off the streets and swab them. Such humiliating probes dramatically make the case for obedience to the government's rules surrounding the pandemic—especially the rule to stay home. I think we can benefit by replicating their procedures here."
Fauci confessed to "drafting an Executive Order mandating anal swabbing and slipping it into the stack of documents intended for President Biden's signature. With any luck it will be signed within the next few days. The number of lives it may save could be astronomical."
Semisatire John Semmens.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2527412] Likewise the general looking down on others: some of the postings on ISG read like the manifestos that an incel would release prior to a mass-shooting. "I am entitled. I am a victim. Everyone is jealous. All these people are beneath me. These people are too dumb to recognize my superiority" etc.[/QUOTE]Sex deprivation has a terrible effect on the P6 junkies. It fuels their paranoia and their mythomania.
Do you think that incels turn into SIMPS as soon as they get enough money to visit clubs?
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WHO on lockdowns
Someone needs to read the WHO's position on lockdowns again for clarity. Please quote it here in its entirety, not a William Barr style synopsis dictated by a political position.
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[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2527315]Always look in the eyes while someone (Asian, European, etc) is smiling. If the eyes are not "smiling" together with the lips, it could tell you that the one you are facing don't feel that comfortable or is maybe not smiling "honest".
But who am I telling this? Any hooker specialist knows it. "How are you? Where you from? You want to go to the room? Why not? I deliver great service!
The masks are a total disaster, especially for little children, they need to see the whole face of people. Masks are for gangsters not for newborns who should differ between the nurse and the mother.
[/QUOTE]Most of my life this year has been spent in the hospital where everyone is wearing a mask for 13+ hours a day. Some have to wear an N95 mask for the entire day. It's amazing how much a person can adapt to the current situation. I've learned that smile has become unnecessary to read a person's attitude. Eyes and demeanor is enough, not ideal, but more than enough.
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[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2527315]Always look in the eyes while someone (Asian, European, etc) is smiling. If the eyes are not "smiling" together with the lips, it could tell you that the one you are facing don't feel that comfortable or is maybe not smiling "honest"....[/QUOTE]Could that be used for mongering purposes? If the girl does not smile with her eyes she gives poor service and if she is smiling honest she gives good service.
Wish it were so easy.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2527359]Are you really sure that the things are so simply? Advice you to pass your Chinese driving license (like me) to drive alone several 100000 kilometers through China including the Muslim regions, may be you will get a better understanding that only the news from journalists who can t speak mandarin and can t travel alone in China. Most of the Chinese people are very happy about their impressive living tandard increase in the last decades, because for you the democracy is always the same choice between are and the in the US, like in France the FN represents 30% of the voters but have more or less no deputies, like in Germany after the elections there is always a coalition and at least 8 million poor people in the richest country in Europe, like in UK. Why are you not speaking about the rights of the Christians in Armenia, in the middle east. In many countries in Africa.[/QUOTE]No, I am not that sure, never. Again, imagine my face with a smile.
But I like to hold my point that the "loosing the face" thing is more an Asian thing.
Actually I liked the Asians I met so far, because they are a bit like me, shy, quite, respectful.
I know nothing about the politics over there. So how should I know what is more fun for the poor, the fake democracy in Europe or the Xi Jing Ping style.
Greet your girlfriend.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2527611]Most of my life this year has been spent in the hospital where everyone is wearing a mask for 13+ hours a day. Some have to wear an N95 mask for the entire day. It's amazing how much a person can adapt to the current situation. I've learned that smile has become unnecessary to read a person's attitude. Eyes and demeanor is enough, not ideal, but more than enough.[/QUOTE]Good that the whole world isn't a hospital. Imagine next year everyone has to wear a complete face mask where you don't even see the eyes. Of course people could adapt, but why should anyone. Face is what people makes unique.
I prefer a world without masks. Me evil egoist.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2527745]Could that be used for mongering purposes? If the girl does not smile with her eyes she gives poor service and if she is smiling honest she gives good service.
Wish it were so easy.[/QUOTE]From my humble experience, chance of a nice time is way much higher with a smile I like. On the other side, I don't like girls who are smiling during the "dance". I like them to look evil at me, LOL.
Back to Corona dictatorship, Germany today:
216.300 "active cases".
(without using a calculator, about 0.25% of the Germans are infected).
1. 954.000 are officially recovered.
(dark figure could be 10 times higher).
Attack the propaganda system!
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2527516]Sex deprivation has a terrible effect on the P6 junkies. It fuels their paranoia and their mythomania.
Do you think that incels turn into SIMPS as soon as they get enough money to visit clubs?[/QUOTE]That paranoia and mythomania is just a manifestation of childhood-adolescent trauma that spilled over into adulthood. It's rooted in lack of self-confidence. Tell yourself enough bullshit to get through tough realities and you forget when you're bullshitting yourself altogether.
Along those lines, I've definitely seen a noticeable increase in mentions of personal member size. Quite a strange behavior. My wealthy friends never speak about their finances without direct prompt, friends who are gifted athletes never mention their accolades when it's not the topic of conversation, and I certainly don't know a single person who ever mentions their dick size unless we're just a bunch of dudes joking around, and half of my friends are 90 kg, 1.9 m black guys!
That behavior is somewhat harmless, mostly just annoying as fuck. Oddly enough, that bullshitting yourself to persevere a positive sense of self is similar to the "power of positivity" mindset. Obviously positive thinking can be deployed as a immensely beneficial strategy; but as evident here, there's a fine line where that positive thinking crosses into the realm of being pathological; it becomes a mental disease. Anyway, it doesn't really harm others, and like I said earlier, it's just annoying as fuck.
However there are people whose mental trauma manifests as behavior that is detrimental to society. You see the guys diving into ridiculous conspiracy theories. It stems from the same roots of insecurity. The thing about those guys is that they're always the ones who have sucked at most things in life, resulting in grown men who never acquire social value. Conspiracy theories gives them the off chance of being right once in a full moon and getting a short taste of having some twisted sense of value. Most of the time it's harmless but then 2020 has shown how society's outcasts can become the biggest obstructionists to progress. See: USA Capitol Rioters, COVID downplayers, and anti-vaxxers. As yourself, have you ever seen the confident, "alpha-male" type guys dive deep into conspiracy theories or entertain fringe "news"? No, they're actually happy with their lives.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2527412]Likewise the general looking down on others: some of the postings on ISG read like the manifestos that an incel would release prior to a mass-shooting. "I am entitled. I am a victim. Everyone is jealous. All these people are beneath me. These people are too dumb to recognize my superiority" etc.[/QUOTE]In other words, not much difference from a political debate in the House of Commons?
When norms are left aside and people write freely, such polarity arise. Much helped by information stream on various new medias.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2527923]My wealthy friends never speak about their finances without direct prompt, friends who are gifted athletes never mention their accolades when it's not the topic of conversation, and I certainly don't know a single person who ever mentions their dick size unless we're just a bunch of dudes joking around, and half of my friends are 90 kg, 1.9 m black guys!
That behavior is somewhat harmless, mostly just annoying as fuck.[/QUOTE]Yet you constantly tout on this forum that 'you're the medical expert' here, and that everybody else's opinion is rubbish?
You're right though, it's annoying as fuck.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2526451]You are spreading rumors from unnamed sources related to the over 65 group, and the German Health Ministry disavows it all.
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/26/astrazeneca-supplies-to-eu-vaccine-efficacy-for-the-elderly-in-focus.html[/URL]
Yet another tin foil hat conspiracy theory peddler that thinks adding exclamation marks will make their lies more believable. For whatever reason, monger forums attract these like flies to honey.[/QUOTE]Another "tin foil hat conspiracy" dismantled:
Straight from the German Robert Koch Institute: "Der COVID-19-Impfstoff von Astra- Zeneca wird aktuell aufgrund der derzeit verfugbaren Daten nur fuare Personen I'm Alter von 18 bis 64 Jahren empfohlen; zur Beurteilung der Impfeffektivitat ab 65 Jahren liegen bisher keine ausreichenden Daten vor."
First paragraph in blue: [URL]https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/Infekt/EpidBull/Archiv/2021/Ausgaben/05_21.pdf?__blob=publicationFile[/URL].
In English: "Last week, Germany's vaccine committee recommended it should only be given to people aged under 65, while the EU, which authorized it on Friday for people aged 18 and over, lowered its reported efficacy rate from 70.4% to 60%. In both cases, authorities cited a lack of sufficient data from the clinical trials."
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccine-oxford-exc-idUSKBN2A1263[/URL]
Oh yes, and guess what? Despite 'doctor' Mursenary claiming that these "vaccines" are extensively tested and are safe in the long term, there is one common theme in both articles I linked:". A lack of sufficient data from the clinical trials" and in German: "Liegen bisher keine ausreichenden Daten vor."
'Insufficient data,' yet somehow the governments and media are lying that there is hardly a risk of chronic (long term side effects of experimental mRNA vaccines that were rushed to market in 7-8 months.
Good luck taking this Frankenstein mRNA "vaccine," but don't come complaining in 5-10 years that you have developed neurological issues (perhaps impotence? Or have developed serious auto-immune sicknesses, while the unvaccinated people spent 2 weeks in bed with a normal flu in 2020 or 2021, and are back to chasing pussy in the sex clubs again!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2527923]That behavior is somewhat harmless, mostly just annoying as fuck. Oddly enough, that bullshitting yourself to persevere a positive sense of self is similar to the "power of positivity" mindset. Obviously positive thinking can be deployed as a immensely beneficial strategy; but as evident here, there's a fine line where that positive thinking crosses into the realm of being pathological; it becomes a mental disease. Anyway, it doesn't really harm others, and like I said earlier, it's just annoying as fuck.[/QUOTE]Mental disease would be NPD:
[QUOTE]Since reality does not support their grandiose view of themselves, narcissists live in a fantasy world propped up by distortion, self-deception, and magical thinking. They spin self-glorifying fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, attractiveness, and ideal love that make them feel special and in control. These fantasies protect them from feelings of inner emptiness and shame, so facts and opinions that contradict them are ignored or rationalized away. Anything that threatens to burst the fantasy bubble is met with extreme defensiveness and even rage.
https://www.helpguide.org/articles/mental-disorders/narcissistic-personality-disorder.htm
[/QUOTE]If the person with NPD is a parent, or someone in a position of power, they could certainly could do a lot of harm: [URL]https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/insights/how-narcissistic-leaders-destroy-within[/URL].
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2527923]As yourself, have you ever seen the confident, "alpha-male" type guys dive deep into conspiracy theories or entertain fringe "news"? No, they're actually happy with their lives.[/QUOTE]Several celebrities and professional athletes have re-tweeted conspiracy theories. Wanting to be special and part of the in-group that is in the know is one motivation. But I think it probably has more to do with lack of trust in institutions and Dunning-Kruger effect. If you overestimate your intelligence and capabilities, then you believe you are smarter than the experts.
[QUOTE]Sure, its typical for people to overestimate their abilities. One study found that 80 percent of drivers rate themselves as above average a statistical impossibility. And similar trends have been found when people rate their relative popularity and cognitive abilities. The problem is that when people are incompetent, not only do they reach wrong conclusions and make unfortunate choices but, also, they are robbed of the ability to realize their mistakes. In a semester-long study of college students, good students could better predict their performance on future exams given feedback about their scores and relative percentile. However, the poorest performers showed no recognition, despite clear and repeated feedback that they were doing badly. [b]Instead of being confused, perplexed or thoughtful about their erroneous ways, incompetent people insist that their ways are correct.[/b]
As Charles Darwin wrote in The Descent of Man (1871): Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.
https://qz.com/992127/studies-find-high-achievers-underestimate-their-talents-while-underachievers-overestimate-theirs/[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2527516]Do you think that incels turn into SIMPS as soon as they get enough money to visit clubs?[/QUOTE]At this point, SIMP has been mainstreamed. It was popularized within small pockets of Internet in men's rights group, but now everyone in Gen-Z uses it. If NYT is writing about it, that means every Tiktok user in America (and by extension anyone in their 20's who speaks English) knows about it:
[QUOTE]Its a person, often a man, who throws money or attention at someone else, often a woman, in order to win their affection. (It doesnt work.)
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/style/simp-history-slang.html.[/QUOTE]There are probably feel people going into debt due to the hobby. Or at least, have actively stopped saving for the future. An interesting discussion in German forum in the Off-topic under "Privatkontakt zu den Damen" thread, where one of the posters opens up on financially supporting a WG during the pandemic. It seems his current earnings are below his pre-pandemic earnings. He says he has the financial assets, but presumably he does not want to liquidate those. He mentions that he will soon probably take out a loan. And request a moratorium on a second loan (paying only the interest and not the principal). So he is making financial decisions based on the hobby and in particular this WG. I am not judging. I don't know the nature of his relationship. People are free to do what they want ofc. You can't bring the money with you to the grave, and if you have no family, then why not spend the money doing what you love while you can?
But I just wanted to point out that showering a girl in her 20's with money, time, and attention, if done in excess, is a turn-off.
[QUOTE]It sounds really awful to say, but the guy Ive been seeing for a few months is just a total simp and its such a turn off. Im not talking about being romantic or a nice guy. I love that about him. Hes a good listener and is quite romantic which is awesome. [b]But its like his life revolves around me. I feel like I have the power to click my fingers and hed come running[/b] (even though Id never). He wants to fill up my schedule with seeing him whenever I have some free time and I feel bad for requesting a day to myself. I can be out with friends and hell literally offer to be my taxi service home. I dont take advantage of this obviously. Theres being sweet and then theres just being submissive. It makes me feel really awkward and is really unattractive.
I have spoken with him about this, a few times, explaining that Im just not as needy or intense as he is, and its fine if he wants to find someone who can better fulfil those needs, but he just agrees with me and then tells me hell do whatever I want. Saying things like its sounds like youre just scared of having something so real. Most things I try to talk about him with he just agrees with or sides with me on, even if its not really how he behaves.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2527891]Good that the whole world isn't a hospital. Imagine next year everyone has to wear a complete face mask where you don't even see the eyes. Of course people could adapt, but why should anyone. Face is what people makes unique.
I prefer a world without masks. Me evil egoist.[/QUOTE]Why adapt? Probably to respond to an unfortunate situation like responsible adults.
It sucks for everyone but sometimes you just swallow a bitter pill to get through tough times. The whataboutisms of more rules and regulations is just another logical fallacy using the slippery slope argument. That's the real fear-mongering going on here.
Dealing with covid this past year has been like taking a year long car ride with an 8 year old. Constant complaining and temper tantrums.
Lots of things make people unique. Personality, fingerprints,
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2527412]Likewise the general looking down on others: some of the postings on ISG read like the manifestos that an incel would release prior to a mass-shooting. "I am entitled. I am a victim. Everyone is jealous. All these people are beneath me. These people are too dumb to recognize my superiority" etc.[/QUOTE]I actually totally disagree with you though. I mean, the sentiment you are putting up there is the same that Facebook and certain others are using to impose censorship on meanings and ideas. And that leads to a facist state, or facist rules.
People should have the right to say or write what they are thinking of in a democratic world. Strategizing, conspiring, researching or coming up with original, or non-original ideas are human things. The clue is to just ignore the people you disagree with. But this is again all just a blue feed / red feed discussion.
I think people rather has to consider what the meaning of the Internet is. And what it can and should be used for? Because what this all boils down to, is the overwhelming information flow we got on the internet. And add to that the democratization of transmitting ideas into new spheres of influence. (as in the 'Gesellshaft' by Jurgen Habermas).
I cannot recall where I read this, but some person wrote that the world will turn more and more into censorship in a fascist way due to all sorts of "good reasoning" (like the type of rethorics you are using). And it will be more and more censorship, surveillance and policing of everything. Until at one point the democracy will return and everyone will be free again. (maybe it was the end of 1984).
Part of what being free is, is to also live with the chance of your neighbor being a serial killer, or a psychopath. 300 or 1000 years ago, mad people and murderers were walking around on the street alot more than today. The people living back then just didn't know so much about them (at least in big cities), because the information was restricted.
Life is a risk, and that is how it should be. Otherwise I am calling the censorship choir for what they are: fascists.
Only partly related to this: Just look at how the hedgefunds now have joint forces in conspiring through mainstream media on the so-called 'Silver Squeeze'. Everyone who is following Wallstreetbets on Reddit knows that The Silver Squeeze is a complete lie and a hoax only so that Melvin Capital and other hedgefunds can earn back their losses in GME and AMC. Real fake news written in all the major newspapers. And I can assure you the hedgefunds have paid the newspapers for writing it. Over 100+ MSM channels are writing that The Silver Squeeze is an idea put up by members on wallstreetbets. The hedgefunds just want the people on wallstreetbets to sell GME and AMC so that they should buy into silver - The one thing hedgefunds loves above all other types of investments due to how the total amount is limited.
If it had not been for a democratic forum such as Reddit, these things would never have happened. If Reddit had gotten censored just because some people there weren't 100% adherent to some norm all the time, then the hedgefunds could have kept screwing people over on their savings just like back in 2009.
What started happening in trading two years ago (2019) was that trading fees got removed on many platforms. So the information got democratized. Just like ideas on the internet and on sex forums. In essence what this all boils down to is the medium itself. The trading platforms themselves is one medium that leads to certain behaviors: democracy, or no democracy. And the internet is another medium. And that medium is the message we are discussing.
I know I will just fall into the category of what you are describing here when I say that the people who disagree with what I am saying here is just not well enough informed. And they are scared of democracy. Scared of other people having free influence on the daily agenda. Etc etc. But in the end your post is nothing more than a circular rhetorical argument that means nothing more than that you mean the opponents in a discussion are wrong.
How about we just accept that blue, red, orange, purple or even pink feed is just as much equal. At least on a forum where people discuss what they are being withheld from acting upon (sex travels).
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2528087]Yet you constantly tout on this forum that 'you're the medical expert' here, and that everybody else's opinion is rubbish?
You're right though, it's annoying as fuck.[/QUOTE]As such, have I touted myself in a bragging manner or have I just shared knowledge like an educated adult? I'll again challenge you to produce a source.
I'll wait.
In whatever field in which you are trained, please feel free to share insight into your specialty. Since most people cannot be well versed in all fields of knowledge, perhaps we can learn something from your area of focus.
But if you don't do anything worthwhile that gives you a sense of self worth, I can't help your insecurities and sense of worthlessness.
Flame on brother, flame on.
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I really can't understand all the bickering on this website about vaccines, whether good or bad, who is lying, who is an idiot etc etc.
Some of the dialogue between posters is rather shameful point scoring and at times rather nasty.
We're all adults with a common interest of enjoying the delights of women whether it be in a FKK, massage parlour, brothel or as an escort.
We simply read and listen to the information given out by Scientists & Doctors (irrespective if you believe it or not) and make our own individual choices and ultimately whether to take the vaccine or not when it's offered to us.
No one is going to change their "point of view" on the subject reading people's strongly held views in a sex forum so why berate one another?
So for the love of god please try to tone it down!
On a lighter note I'm soon to be mourning my last visit to FKK Sharks which was in mid March last year, now that is something to moan about!
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Funny, most Filipinos, Laos, Cambodians, and Vietnamese I've met are hardly ever shy. Many are even pretty crass. Perhaps you are mixing your words again and are thinking of the Chinese and Japanese and calling everyone with dark hair and almond eyes Asian.
[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2527888]No, I am not that sure, never. Again, imagine my face with a smile.
But I like to hold my point that the "loosing the face" thing is more an Asian thing.
Actually I liked the Asians I met so far, because they are a bit like me, shy, quite, respectful.
I know nothing about the politics over there. So how should I know what is more fun for the poor, the fake democracy in Europe or the Xi Jing Ping style.
Greet your girlfriend.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2528110]Several celebrities and professional athletes have re-tweeted conspiracy theories. Wanting to be special and part of the in-group that is in the know is one motivation. But I think it probably has more to do with lack of trust in institutions and Dunning-Kruger effect. If you overestimate your intelligence and capabilities, then you believe you are smarter than the experts.[/QUOTE]Let's examine those celebrities. In most cases, are the conspiracy, nonsense peddlers the alpha types? Or have they just stumbled on some parcel of success to become famous.
Say Kanye West, he's super successful in the music industry but a complete flop in most other areas. So what is his internal wiring? Dude has so many mental issues. I remember hearing on the Joe Rogan podcast another musician talking about how when he met Kanye before he was well known, dude was an awkward, shy dork. West was raised by a couple of academics who were tied to some extremist Blank Panther movements. This is not the be a criticism or racist, but due to their mistreatment in pre-civil rights America, many in the black American community still carry that mental trauma and pass it along to their children, in this case, to Kanye. You see a parallel in the Asian American community and perhaps in numerous immigrant communities across the globe. Exceptions: the ability for Turkish-Euro and Mexican-American communities to come together and form a unified community in a foreign land is quite admirable and perhaps allowed those populations to stave off some of the mental issues that other groups face. Anyway, I digress from the topic, alpha-types and lack of ridiculous conspiracy theory peddling.
I will give an example that checks out though: the politicians who knowingly peddle bullshit because they know it's a useful tool to manipulate those suckers who are actual conspiracy theorists suffering from aforementioned afflictions.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2528089]Oh yes, and guess what? Despite 'doctor' Mursenary claiming that these "vaccines" are extensively tested and are safe in the long term, there is one common theme in both articles I linked:". A lack of sufficient data from the clinical trials" and in German: "Liegen bisher keine ausreichenden Daten vor."
'Insufficient data,' yet somehow the governments and media are lying that there is hardly a risk of chronic (long term side effects of experimental mRNA vaccines that were rushed to market in 7-8 months.
Good luck taking this Frankenstein mRNA "vaccine," but don't come complaining in 5-10 years that you have developed neurological issues (perhaps impotence? Or have developed serious auto-immune sicknesses, while the unvaccinated people spent 2 weeks in bed with a normal flu in 2020 or 2021, and are back to chasing pussy in the sex clubs again![/QUOTE]I'll ask you again to cite the quote. Pretty sure what I said was something along the lines of it being tested with the same rigor as other clinical trials for other pharmaceuticals.
It would help if you know the difference between Phase III versus Phase IV trials and during which period drugs are approved. BTW, it's after phase III. That phase usually takes several years due to enrollment and finances but each patient is not followed for several years as part of Phase III. Each individual's role in phase III ends after several months. At that point, those individual patients have already begun Phase IV which has no bearing on initial drug approval. Meanwhile new patients are added to the pool of Phase III participants. Phase IV continues after drug approval and drugs are then recalled if negative effects are discovered.
You seem like the type who would normally complain about bureaucracy and government processes taking too long. As such, I'm sure your argument here is out of character and only serves for you to deploy your nonsensical agenda. But carry on.
And again regarding autoimmune "sickness," still waiting. Altering DNA? Still waiting. I'll add your recent accusations to the list that you have repeatedly failed to produce. Predictable and reliable in failure.
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Rants sections and WTF you talking about. Even the Admins directed me here when I flamed a poster on another thread.
So basically, if you don't want to see mud thrown around, this thread is not for you.
[QUOTE=Canary;2528135]I really can't understand all the bickering on this website about vaccines, whether good or bad, who is lying, who is an idiot etc etc.
Some of the dialogue between posters is rather shameful point scoring and at times rather nasty.
We're all adults with a common interest of enjoying the delights of women whether it be in a FKK, massage parlour, brothel or as an escort.
We simply read and listen to the information given out by Scientists & Doctors (irrespective if you believe it or not) and make our own individual choices and ultimately whether to take the vaccine or not when it's offered to us.
No one is going to change their "point of view" on the subject reading people's strongly held views in a sex forum so why berate one another?
So for the love of god please try to tone it down!
On a lighter note I'm soon to be mourning my last visit to FKK Sharks which was in mid March last year, now that is something to moan about![/QUOTE]
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Portugal which managed quite well first, is now killed by UK mutant, and really difficult to get work from them at the moment. After Belgium, France closed borders even inside EU, to fight versus this dangerous mutant. German brothels should not open soon.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2528140]Let's examine those celebrities. In most cases, are the conspiracy, nonsense peddlers the alpha types? Or have they just stumbled on some parcel of success to become famous.
[/QUOTE]Many MMA pros only have a singular talent, but by most definitions they'd be categorised as alpha types. Unfortunately, there's no shortage of nutcases in the MMA fighter's community, with Randy Coture being a notable example. Outside of the sports and entertainment / political worlds, the combination of self-made success and conspiracy theorist seems rare.
[URL]https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2020/9/15/21436458/comprehensive-list-mma-fighters-conspiracy-theories-qanon-covid-george-soros-politics[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Samplerr;2528186]Many MMA pros only have a singular talent, but by most definitions they'd be categorised as alpha types. Unfortunately, there's no shortage of nutcases in the MMA fighter's community, with Randy Coture being a notable example. Outside of the sports and entertainment / political worlds, the combination of self-made success and conspiracy theorist seems rare.
[URL]https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2020/9/15/21436458/comprehensive-list-mma-fighters-conspiracy-theories-qanon-covid-george-soros-politics[/URL][/QUOTE]It's clear to me now that I did a poor job of clarifying the term "alpha-male" as a previous poster also cited athletes to be alpha males.
To be clear, alpha-male, in my use of the term, does not refer to mere physical attributes and aggression. Alpha male in the 2021 practical sense refers to the leaders of men, someone who is confident and takes charge, someone respected by other men and usually desired by women. Physical features are only a part of being and alpha. Intelligence, genuine confidence (not the fake self-delusion variety), and controlled aggression are just as important to the alpha profile in the year 2021.
UFC fighters with chronic traumatic encephalopathies to me are not alphas; they're just Aggro men meant to be used as cannon fodder when their specialized skills are needed.
To be clear, I have no delusions of being an alpha myself. Perhaps a reformed beta if you will who's presently a Sigma, a Lone wolf who's generally welcomed by the pack / tribe. Less pressure, less responsibility than the role of an alpha.
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Can you tell me what is MMA fighter I don't know what is this please tell me.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2528140]Let's examine those celebrities. In most cases, are the conspiracy, nonsense peddlers the alpha types? Or have they just stumbled on some parcel of success to become famous.[/QUOTE]Jim Carrey is anti-vaxxer. Maybe not in a physical sense, but alpha in the sense that he chased his dream, instead of playing it safe. Shaq, Stephen Curry, and Kyrie Irving are all flat-earthers. All elite level athletes so I would say alpha. Back in the day conspiracy theorists were just random guys in aluminum foil hats sitting at home. Now, the Internet has democratized the spread of information, so everybody who has Facebook or Youtube has a platform. It's the loudest and most persuasive who become the arbiters of truth. They drown out the scientists. [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/dec/27/stephen-curry-kyrie-irving-conspiracy-theories-nba[/URL].
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2528140]the politicians who knowingly peddle bullshit because they know it's a useful tool to manipulate those suckers who are actual conspiracy theorists suffering from aforementioned afflictions.[/QUOTE]1. How many politicians hold onto their pre-election promises once they win and get into power?
2. Name one single person in the entire world who does not believe there are conspiracies?
3. Define a "conspiracy theorist".
4. Are you a conspiracy theorist?
5. Who came up with the term 'conspiracy theory', and why? In rhetoric, when do we use the term 'conspiracy theory'?
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2528157]Portugal which managed quite well first, is now killed by UK mutant, and really difficult to get work from them at the moment. After Belgium, France closed borders even inside EU, to fight versus this dangerous mutant. German brothels should not open soon.[/QUOTE]The UK mutant seems to also have been tempered with in a petri dish. Just throwing this into the fine discussion we are having here.
Basically, the capitalist system runners realized the original covid-19 was too weak and didn't last as long as to fulfill all the objectives. So it needed an upgrade. I kind of knew all along that this would happen. And it will go on with even more mutations throughout all of 2021, and most likely far into 2022 also. With new mutations that will require a second jab. If not nature fixes it, a petri dish will!
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I also believe Blackrock is behind, or at least have the leading role in the entire Reddit WallStreetBets story we are seeing now. And they want to bring down all the other hegdefunds competitors globally. As noone can still be standing. Maybe they have even agreed to bring down themselves at the end too. And this crunsh among all the hedgefunds are just one more objective that needs to be completed before the entire Agenda, which covid is a smokescreen for can be completed.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2528140]Let's examine those celebrities. In most cases, are the conspiracy, nonsense peddlers the alpha types? Or have they just stumbled on some parcel of success to become famous.
Say Kanye West, he's super successful in the music industry but a complete flop in most other areas. So what is his internal wiring? Dude has so many mental issues. I remember hearing on the Joe Rogan podcast another musician talking about how when he met Kanye before he was well known, dude was an awkward, shy dork. West was raised by a couple of academics who were tied to some extremist Blank Panther movements. This is not the be a criticism or racist, but due to their mistreatment in pre-civil rights America, many in the black American community still carry that mental trauma and pass it along to their children, in this case, to Kanye....[/QUOTE]But Kanye West was a huge Trump supporter.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2528335]The UK mutant seems to also have been tempered with in a petri dish. Just throwing this into the fine discussion we are having here.
Basically, the capitalist system runners realized the original covid-19 was too weak and didn't last as long as to fulfill all the objectives. So it needed an upgrade. I kind of knew all along that this would happen. And it will go on with even more mutations throughout all of 2021, and most likely far into 2022 also. With new mutations that will require a second jab. If not nature fixes it, a petri dish will![/QUOTE]I don't know what created this killer in China, but I know much too many deaths and even more with UK mutant now in Western Europe. Legendary red devils of Liverpool are forbidden to enter by Germany, to play versus Leipzig in Champions League, when some UK rugby teams gave virus to a French team and a UK group was negative for tests in UK, but positive in France. UK were not the most careful about virus, not putting on mask, now they make panic in Western Europe.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2528228]Jim Carrey is anti-vaxxer. Maybe not in a physical sense, but alpha in the sense that he chased his dream, instead of playing it safe. Shaq, Stephen Curry, and Kyrie Irving are all flat-earthers. All elite level athletes so I would say alpha. Back in the day conspiracy theorists were just random guys in aluminum foil hats sitting at home. Now, the Internet has democratized the spread of information, so everybody who has Facebook or Youtube has a platform. It's the loudest and most persuasive who become the arbiters of truth. They drown out the scientists. [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/dec/27/stephen-curry-kyrie-irving-conspiracy-theories-nba[/URL].[/QUOTE]When I read about alpha here, aren't alpha guys those playing US football in US universities with many cheerleaders girls running after them, but only accepted in university to play sport for university when these guys are not even able to count their fingers. Even they may make big money in sport, but they will never invent hot water, but just alpha low level for brain.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2528333]3. Define a "conspiracy theorist".[/QUOTE]And in your very next post you answer your own question.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2528335]Basically, the capitalist system runners realized the original covid-19 was too weak and didn't last as long as to fulfill all the objectives. So it needed an upgrade. I kind of knew all along that this would happen. And it will go on with even more mutations throughout all of 2021, and most likely far into 2022 also. With new mutations that will require a second jab. If not nature fixes it, a petri dish will![/QUOTE]The concept of a "conspiracy theorist" in our current culture points to people like you that, in response to certain events, allege all sorts of nefarious schemes by people in power, usually aimed at strengthening their grips on the masses. It has a negative connation only because when people such as yourself are asked for proof of your claims, you provide none while bringing out the exclamation marks and turning on the cap key. And if any evidence ever is provided it's almost always easily debunked, or is only some song and dance that isn't evidence at all.
But if you think this isn't so, then feel free to provide proof for the diabolical hoax you allude to above. And don't forget to prove who all is in on it, from scientists to politicians, corporations, and all the world over of course.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2528338]I also believe Blackrock is behind, or at least have the leading role in the entire Reddit WallStreetBets story we are seeing now. And they want to bring down all the other hegdefunds competitors globally. As noone can still be standing. Maybe they have even agreed to bring down themselves at the end too. And this crunsh among all the hedgefunds are just one more objective that needs to be completed before the entire Agenda, which covid is a smokescreen for can be completed.[/QUOTE]And you have to ask what a conspiracy theory is? That is beyond hilarious.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2528228]Jim Carrey is anti-vaxxer. Maybe not in a physical sense, but alpha in the sense that he chased his dream, instead of playing it safe. Shaq, Stephen Curry, and Kyrie Irving are all flat-earthers. All elite level athletes so I would say alpha. Back in the day conspiracy theorists were just random guys in aluminum foil hats sitting at home. Now, the Internet has democratized the spread of information, so everybody who has Facebook or Youtube has a platform. It's the loudest and most persuasive who become the arbiters of truth. They drown out the scientists. [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/dec/27/stephen-curry-kyrie-irving-conspiracy-theories-nba[/URL].[/QUOTE]I think we have to clarify some of the claims above.
First regarding Jim Carrey, I would have been disappointed if it were true. However, he has clarified that he is not Anti-Vaccination but rather is anti government mandated vaccination and brings up concerns regarding toxic preservatives but not vaccination itself. That's a perfectly rational stance, hardly a conspiracy theorist position. His own tweet and supporting article below:
[URL]https://mobile.twitter.com/JimCarrey/status/616144295234371584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E616144295234371584%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fmedcitynews.com%2F2015%2F07%2Fjim-carrey-is-adamantly-insisting-he-is-not-actually-anti-vaccine-despite-his-very-public-opposition-to-californias-new-law%2F[/URL]
[URL]https://medcitynews.com/2015/07/jim-carrey-is-adamantly-insisting-he-is-not-actually-anti-vaccine-despite-his-very-public-opposition-to-californias-new-law/[/URL]
Regarding the athletes, I'll point out to my previous post regarding alpha-men stating that physical attributes, while still a factor, is not the defining characteristic of an alpha. However, some clarifications for their flat earth positions. They were all pretty much just dicking around making fun of the conspiracy theorists.
Shaq:
[URL]www.cbssports.com/nba/news/shaq-was-apparently-trolling-everyone-when-he-made-his-flat-earth-comments/amp/[/URL]
Kyrie:
[URL]https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/boston-celtics/kyrie-irving-boston-celtics-says-he-does-not-believe-earth-is-flat-was-just-trolling[/URL]
Curry:
[URL]www.businessinsider.com/stephen-curry-nasa-moon-landing-comments-joke-2018-12%3Famp[/URL]
I'm sure there will always be examples of dumb jocks saying dumb shit but theseu cases were all just examples of them trolling the conspiracy theorists losers. Their trolling just furthers my position that conspiracy theorists are mostly society's bottom feeders hungry for any sort of validation.
Anyway, we are getting beyond the point. My point is that rational people entertain conspiracy theories once in a while, mostly just as a thought exercise or maybe just for shits and giggles. Even if those athletes believe in a conspiracy theory here and there, that may not be pathological. The actual conspiracy theorists are the full time, habitual guys that have issues rooted in some intellectual, psychological, or emotional deficiency. My theory is that it is due to a lack of authentic, realized self worth or realized social value.
This British clinical psychologist puts it more eloquently than I can, the last being the the most pertinent here:
[QUOTE][url]www.apa.org/research/action/speaking-of-psychology/conspiracy-theories?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=apa-podcast-misinformation&utm_content=sop-bonus-conspiracy-theories[/url]
Three types of conspiracy theorists:
-So people with lower levels of education tend to be drawn to conspiracy theories. And we don't argue that's because people are not intelligent. It's simply that they haven't been allowed to have, or haven't been given access to the tools to allow them to differentiate between good sources and bad sources or credible sources and non-credible sources. So they're looking for that knowledge and certainty, but not necessarily looking in the right places.
-The second set of motives, we would call existential motives. And really they just refer to people's needs to be or to feel safe and secure in the world that they live in. And also to feel that they have some kind of power or autonomy over the things that happen to them as well. So again, when something happens, people don't like to feel powerless. They don't like to feel out of control. And so reaching to conspiracy theories might, I guess, at least allow people to feel that they have information that at least explains why they don't have any control over this situation. Research has shown that people who do feel powerless and disillusioned do tend to gravitate more towards conspiracy theories..[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2528348]But Kanye West was a huge Trump supporter.[/QUOTE]Supported him so much that he too ran for president.
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Third set:
[QUOTE] The final set of motives we would call social motives and those refer to people's desire to feel good about themselves as individuals and also feel good about themselves in terms of the groups that they belong to. And I guess at the individual level, people like to feel... Well, they like to have high self-esteem. They like to feel good about themselves. And potentially one way of doing that is to feel that you have access to information that other people don't necessarily have.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2528473]And you have to ask what a conspiracy theory is? That is beyond hilarious.[/QUOTE]No, I want him to define 'his' definition of it. There is a clear difference here.
A conspiracy is the same thing as a plan. Just two sides of the same coin, and the framing is different.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2528448]The concept of a "conspiracy theorist" in our current culture points to people like you that, in response to certain events, allege all sorts of nefarious schemes by people in power, usually aimed at strengthening their grips on the masses. It has a negative connation only because when people such as yourself are asked for proof of your claims, you provide none while bringing out the exclamation marks and turning on the cap key. And if any evidence ever is provided it's almost always easily debunked, or is only some song and dance that isn't evidence at all.
But if you think this isn't so, then feel free to provide proof for the diabolical hoax you allude to above. And don't forget to prove who all is in on it, from scientists to politicians, corporations, and all the world over of course.[/QUOTE]You choose what you want to believe in yourself. What you are asking of me demands personal information I am not willing to share online on a forum like this. But yet, I have quite a lot of first hand information of all sorts of things people like you would never believe. And you would call it a conspiracy theory. Heck, do you even know what lobbyists do for a living? It is a billion dollar industry that live on what you frame as 'conspiracies'.
The idea of nefarious is also questionable. As I mentioned already, I am cheering them on. The end goal is good. Some weak minded people like yourself just think their methods are evil in order to get there. And that is also why a lot of things has to be hidden from the public eye. As Machiavelli writes in his book The Prince.
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Mursenary Let me tell you one thing. The biggest alphas in the world know conspiracies are true. Because they are the ones coming up with them. Simple facts.
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Hell, I even partake in coming up with these nefarious ideas myself sometimes.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2528508]Anyway, we are getting beyond the point. My point is that rational people entertain conspiracy theories once in a while, mostly just as a thought exercise or maybe just for shits and giggles. Even if those athletes believe in a conspiracy theory here and there, that may not be pathological. The actual conspiracy theorists are the full time, habitual guys that have issues rooted in some intellectual, psychological, or emotional deficiency. My theory is that it is due to a lack of authentic, realized self worth or realized social value.
This British clinical psychologist puts it more eloquently than I can, the last being the the most pertinent here:[/QUOTE]I agree with above. As do I with the two parts you excerpted from APA article. They offer generalizations that probably explain the subconscious motivations for 80 percent of the conspiracy theorist sympathizers and 100 percent of what you refer to as the pathological conspiracy theorists. However, we could make the same statements about people who fall for scams. Someone who works a minimum wage job (1) probably has lower levels of education, and (2) probably feels powerless and disillusioned. He is more vulnerable. He is exactly the type of person to save up a few thousand dollars to attend a seminar to be part of a pyramid scheme.
People who are desperate enough to see something will find ways to see it. A minimum wage guy fantasizing about wealth, will ignore the redflags when he hears about a get-rich-quick scheme. Middle-aged, socially awkward guy will ignore the redflags when a beautiful Eastern European girl half his age shows him attention. My main point is that emotions will always be a blindspot and even so called "winners" can be susceptible. As evidenced by Madoff scandal, many educated and powerful people also fall for scams.
In 2017, Robert De Niro appeared at a press conference with a prominent anti-vaxxer (he may have backed off the stance a little, but that is clearly not a case of being misquoted or trolling). De Niro clearly is a somebody. When he speaks, people listen, so I think we can agree that he is in that regard a leader of men. But De Niro's emotional blindspot is that he has a child with autism. [URL]https://www.vox.com/2017/2/15/14622632/robert-de-niro-rfk-jr-vaccine-press-conference[/URL].
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Kanye west
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2528510]Supported him so much that he too ran for president.[/QUOTE]The funny part was when West stated that he would run under the Birthday Party, because "when we win, it's everybody's birthday".
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2528448]And in your very next post you answer your own question.[/QUOTE]In the next post I was being an analyst. Not a theorist.
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Or do you mean that all analytics are conspiracy theorists?
Have you ever analyzed something and then thought to yourself: 'There must be a conspiracy ongoing in there somewhere'.
Well actually due to quantum physics, there is a subjective conspiracy in anything we analyze due to how observation is key to reality. So the generating force behind what you observe are actually conspiring against you at this very moment. And that is exactly why you have to read what I am writing here now.
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No intelligent life 🛸
Beam me up Scotty. No intelligent life here. We'll return in the next millennium, after the one cell amobeas evolve.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2528473]And you have to ask what a conspiracy theory is? That is beyond hilarious.[/QUOTE]Talking about the topic at hand, remember how people were saying it's just "conspiracy theory" that the Astra / Zeneca "vaccine" is not effective for people over 65?
Here is another "conspiracy theory" that has now become fact:
Straight from the German Robert Koch Institute: "Der COVID-19-Impfstoff von Astra- Zeneca wird aktuell aufgrund der derzeit verfugbaren Daten nur fuare Personen I'm Alter von 18 bis 64 Jahren empfohlen; zur Beurteilung der Impfeffektivitat ab 65 Jahren liegen bisher keine ausreichenden Daten vor. ".
First paragraph in blue: [URL]https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/Infekt...ublicationFile.[/URL].
In English: "Last week, Germany's vaccine committee recommended it should only be given to people aged under 65, while the EU, which authorized it on Friday for people aged 18 and over, lowered its reported efficacy rate from 70.4% to 60%. In both cases, authorities cited a lack of sufficient data from the clinical trials."
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN2A1263[/URL]
Oh yes, and guess what? Despite 'doctor' Mursenary claiming that these "vaccines" are extensively tested and are safe in the long term, there is one common theme in both articles I linked: A lack of sufficient data from the clinical trials" and in German: "Liegen bisher keine ausreichenden Daten vor."
'Insufficient data,' yet somehow the governments and media are lying that there is hardly a risk of chronic (long term side effects of experimental mRNA vaccines that were rushed to market in 7-8 months.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2528348]But Kanye West was a huge Trump supporter.[/QUOTE]Wouldn't that be part of his mental issues? I doubt he was sincere.
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[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2528697]Beam me up Scotty. No intelligent life here. We'll return in the next millennium, after the one cell amobeas evolve.[/QUOTE]Well, I'm so happy that you're so intelligent to judge that no one else here is not as intelligent as you.
However, there is one thing I don't understand: since prostitution is the "oldest profession in the world" and you're on a prostitution internet forum, then wouldn't that imply that your own evolutionary progress (from a "one cell amoebe" into a human) and dealing with the most basic of hardwired human urges, sex and reproduction, is perhaps not as "intelligent" and sophisticated as you'd like it to be? LOL!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2527611]Most of my life this year has been spent in the hospital where everyone is wearing a mask for 13+ hours a day. Some have to wear an N95 mask for the entire day. It's amazing how much a person can adapt to the current situation. I've learned that smile has become unnecessary to read a person's attitude. Eyes and demeanor is enough, not ideal, but more than enough.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mursenary;2528122]Why adapt? ...[/QUOTE]Obviously you had to adapt because you wrote you learned too, while working 13 h in a hospital. I don't work in hospital, no reason for me to adapt. I prefer face, smile, stuff like that, old world.
Without propaganda TV the "corona problem" would be only half as big as it looks like.
How often you change the mask, heard it's necessary every 2 hours? Lately the biggest "corona eruptions" in Germany happened in hospitals or places for older people. Maybe the nurses don't wear the right masks, made in China.
I worked for two different doctors in my life. Never again I can tell you. They made more money with diseases than with health. So not much motivation to keep people healthy. Spooky. Hope it's different where you from.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2528136]Funny, most Filipinos, Laos, Cambodians, and Vietnamese I've met are hardly ever shy. Many are even pretty crass. Perhaps you are mixing your words again and are thinking of the Chinese and Japanese and calling everyone with dark hair and almond eyes Asian.[/QUOTE]Nice you liked my response to "Expatlover". (Check original posts) Or are you his cousin? I never asked the Asians I met so far "Where you from?" Expect one, he was from south Korea. A very nice guy, very nice parents I guess.
Yes absolutely, before I have no other indication, I call people who look like Asians, Asians.
Once I met a hooker from Thailand, the land of the smile, is it still correct, or is it now called the land of the smile behind a mask? However, she looked a bit like a femboy, or was it the other way around? Can't remember. Great person, a bit lazy in bedroom, but she cooked well.
Back to corona dictatorship again, not that the administration is giving me too many negative social points. I want to be a good citizen, not that the society starts to talk behind my back, calling me names and is pointing with fingers at the outsider. I want to belong to them and I have a face to loose!
A while ago I posted that Germany did till mid January 37.45 million tests. Does anybody know how many different people they have tested? I am asking because certain people are tested multiple times per week, for example nurses, cops or soccer stars.
Would be interesting, the number of tested people should be way much lower than 37 million.
Keep the cash money alive! Boycott the vaccine campaign! Sabotage the plandemic management! Give it to the tyrannical system! Fight the power! Do it like Merkel with the big fat wirecard strapon!
Free world, free thoughts. Peace to the Asian resistance crew, get your ass up!
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2528606]I agree with above. As do I with the two parts you excerpted from APA article. They offer generalizations that probably explain the subconscious motivations for 80 percent of the conspiracy theorist sympathizers and 100 percent of what you refer to as the pathological conspiracy theorists. However, we could make the same statements about people who fall for scams. Someone who works a minimum wage job (1) probably has lower levels of education, and (2) probably feels powerless and disillusioned. He is more vulnerable. He is exactly the type of person to save up a few thousand dollars to attend a seminar to be part of a pyramid scheme.
People who are desperate enough to see something will find ways to see it. A minimum wage guy fantasizing about wealth, will ignore the redflags when he hears about a get-rich-quick scheme. Middle-aged, socially awkward guy will ignore the redflags when a beautiful Eastern European girl half his age shows him attention. My main point is that emotions will always be a blindspot and even so called "winners" can be susceptible. As evidenced by Madoff scandal, many educated and powerful people also fall for scams.[/QUOTE]Definitely, as it's not ever a cut and dry, black and white situation. The situations like Di Niro seem to be just a goof up. We're not always "on" and like you said, emotion can cloud your judgement. We all slip, I know I do every so often, but I'll emphasize the it's the [B]habitual[/B] attraction to conspiracy theories that reflects some sort of pathology.
However, I do want to emphasize the third part that was somehow cut out though. I think that subgroup is the larger sect we see in many of the discussions on this forum. It seems that most of the people here, even as ridiculous as they sound, do have some sort of post secondary education. That observation to me just emphasizes the fact that not all university educations are created equal. I don't think an undergraduate business degree really teaches many hard skills and how to actually think and process information. Successful business majors probably would have been successful in that field even without a fancy university degree. Anyway, I digress again.
The second group probably spills into the third group a bit as some probably fall into the powerless group. Think 75 K per year earner with an asshole boss doing meaningless office work that brings no sense of accomplishment. They're not big winners to feel empowered and they're not deprived enough to even garner pity. Mediocrity can be a living hell.
The third group however is pretty universal as humans have evolved as pack animals engrained with a need to belong. Even introverts need some minimum level of social exposure and validation to ease their higher threshold of loneliness.
Posting again for quick reference:
[QUOTE]The final set of motives we would call social motives and those refer to people's desire to feel good about themselves as individuals and also feel good about themselves in terms of the groups that they belong to. And I guess at the individual level, people like to feel... Well, they like to have high self-esteem. They like to feel good about themselves. And potentially one way of doing that is to feel that you have access to information that other people don't necessarily have.[/QUOTE]These posts always end up longer than I intend!
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[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2528697]Beam me up Scotty. No intelligent life here. We'll return in the next millennium, after the one cell amobeas evolve.[/QUOTE]I would be careful with the over simplistic denigration with pure insults without explanation. It just makes many of the people you look down upon hunker down even more. Plus it brings no entertainment value and doesn't further thoughtful conversation. For every half dozen or so fruitless conversations I have here, there are one or two interactions that provoke thought where I actually learn a bit.
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[QUOTE=Karen2;2528224]Can you tell me what is MMA fighter I don't know what is this please tell me.[/QUOTE]Very violent sport kicking with hands and feet. Like monkeys in a cage.
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[QUOTE=TonyMontanaaO7;2528640]The funny part was when West stated that he would run under the Birthday Party, because "when we win, it's everybody's birthday".[/QUOTE]That's actually one hell of a slogan, both for politics and marketing.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2528448]The concept of a "conspiracy theorist" in our current culture points to people like you that, in response to certain events, allege all sorts of nefarious schemes by people in power, usually aimed at strengthening their grips on the masses. It has a negative connation only because when people such as yourself are asked for proof of your claims, you provide none while bringing out the exclamation marks and turning on the cap key. And if any evidence ever is provided it's almost always easily debunked, or is only some song and dance that isn't evidence at all.[/QUOTE]I think at the center of your descriptive portrayal of a conspiracy theorist, is the fact that they allege a lot of things. As in, they make a lot of assumptions. They leave so much up to chance. That's a soft ass move. Alphas don't leave that much up to chance. Alphas make power moves, crushing over chance. Meanwhile, conspiracy theorists lead with assumptions and maybes. They lead with that shit, when it should be kept stored away as an afterthought.
They're soft. That's the base of your description, conspiracy theorists are soft ass mothafuckers.
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After their own mutant killing so much until in Portugal, now south African mutant spread in UK who are forbidden in Germany, like red devils who are tested weekly. Wish vaccines will be efficient versus mutants, when Aztra Z is only for younger than 65, and not enough vaccine for older. Good deal could be sputnik versus Navalnyi and wife freedom, when Putin ex KGB loves so much money and fame. I remember arguing with few Russian escorts about him on our Russian nights.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2528762]Oh yes, and guess what? Despite 'doctor' Mursenary claiming that these "vaccines" are extensively tested and are safe in the long term, there is one common theme in both articles I linked: A lack of sufficient data from the clinical trials" and in German: "Liegen bisher keine ausreichenden Daten vor."[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mursenary;2528149]I'll ask you again to cite the quote. Pretty sure what I said was something along the lines of it being tested with the same rigor as other clinical trials for other pharmaceuticals.
It would help if you know the difference between Phase III versus Phase IV trials and during which period drugs are approved. BTW, it's after phase III. That phase usually takes several years due to enrollment and finances but each patient is not followed for several years as part of Phase III. Each individual's role in phase III ends after several months. At that point, those individual patients have already begun Phase IV which has no bearing on initial drug approval. Meanwhile new patients are added to the pool of Phase III participants. Phase IV continues after drug approval and drugs are then recalled if negative effects are discovered.
You seem like the type who would normally complain about bureaucracy and government processes taking too long. As such, I'm sure your argument here is out of character and only serves for you to deploy your nonsensical agenda. But carry on.
And again regarding autoimmune "sickness," still waiting. Altering DNA? Still waiting. I'll add your recent accusations to the list that you have repeatedly failed to produce. Predictable and reliable in failure.[/QUOTE]Takes 2 seconds to quote these old posts. Repeating the same thing over and over again doesn't make it anymore true for the sensible. I'm sure you've managed to impress the easily impressionable though.
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[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2528815]Obviously you had to adapt because you wrote you learned too, while working 13 h in a hospital. I don't work in hospital, no reason for me to adapt. I prefer face, smile, stuff like that, old world.
Without propaganda TV the "corona problem" would be only half as big as it looks like.
How often you change the mask, heard it's necessary every 2 hours? Lately the biggest "corona eruptions" in Germany happened in hospitals or places for older people. Maybe the nurses don't wear the right masks, made in China.
I worked for two different doctors in my life. Never again I can tell you. They made more money with diseases than with health. So not much motivation to keep people healthy. Spooky. Hope it's different where you from.[/QUOTE]Of course. It's not preference but I'm saying it's not an insurmountable injustice. In fact, it's now become a skill to be able to read expressions without having to rely on smiles and full facial features.
As far as the coronavirus being made to sound bigger than it is, let me offer the alternate scenario. Say it was not made into a big deal. Say Wuhan didn't lock down their city. Say we let things occurred like they did in Milan and NYC. I think even the skeptics here can agree that those cities were complete messes and the death tolls were real. If we actually didn't respond as if it was a big deal, would you not conclude that many more large metropolitan centers would have faced similar chaos and death tolls? Imagine if we didn't take heed from Italy and NYC, are you okay with similar death tolls spreading to Barcelona, Paris, London, Mexico City, Tokyo, Jakarta, Bangkok, Saigon, Mumbai, Cairo, Istanbul, Athens, Rio, and Sao Paulo? Perhaps if we let it run it's uncurbed course, the pandemic may have fizzled out in 6 months, but would the death toll would have been worth it? The healthcare system collapsed in those first 2 cities. Standards of care were thrown out the window. It would have been carnage across a dozen to dozens of metro areas, maybe more.
The situations in Milan and NYC continue to be a point where you naysayers have zero reasonably logical retort.
As far as profiteering doctors, I can't speak for non-western medicine but I don't share your experience. Personally, I work in critical care and emergency medicine, keeping people sick is not an option. As for private primary / general / family care practice, I give zero validity to claims that there is a significant number of western providers who's goal is to keep you sick in order to make more money. Now, due to the compensation system, is there a culture to see as many patients as possible, sacrificing quality care for quantity of care? I believe that to be true almost for sure. Do some providers just clock in but mentally check out, only to provide cookie cutter protocol-based care that sacrifices nuance and individualized care? For sure. But outright prevalent mal-intent or profiteering? It's that prevalent in the western world.
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[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2528817]Nice you liked my response to "Expatlover". (Check original posts) Or are you his cousin? I never asked the Asians I met so far "Where you from?" Expect one, he was from south Korea. A very nice guy, very nice parents I guess.
Yes absolutely, before I have no other indication, I call people who look like Asians, Asians.
[/QUOTE]But if you impose the habits of one group of Asians to another group of culturally different Asians, you are doing a disservice. Not to mention that a Cambodians look as similar to Koreans as Greeks to Dutch.
Italians are Europeans and are social and outgoing, very warm in public, and often speak with their hands. Would you make the blanket statement that Europeans in general are also / do all of those things? No, you wouldn't do that when thinking of a German or Dane. I know you wouldn't. The rest of us in the world would like the same courtesy. Please and thank you.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2528976]Of course. It's not preference but I'm saying it's not an insurmountable injustice. In fact, it's now become a skill to be able to read expressions without having to rely on smiles and full facial features.
As far as the coronavirus being made to sound bigger than it is, let me offer the alternate scenario. Say it was not made into a big deal. Say Wuhan didn't lock down their city. Say we let things occurred like they did in Milan and NYC. I think even the skeptics here can agree that those cities were complete messes and the death tolls were real. If we actually didn't respond as if it was a big deal, would you not conclude that many more large metropolitan centers would have faced similar chaos and death tolls? Imagine if we didn't take heed from Italy and NYC, are you okay with similar death tolls spreading to Barcelona, Paris, London, Mexico City, Tokyo, Jakarta, Bangkok, Saigon, Mumbai, Cairo, Istanbul, Athens, Rio, and Sao Paulo? Perhaps if we let it run it's uncurbed course, the pandemic may have fizzled out in 6 months, but would the death toll would have been worth it? The healthcare system collapsed in those first 2 cities. Standards of care were thrown out the window. It would have been carnage across a dozen to dozens of metro areas, maybe more.
The situations in Milan and NYC continue to be a point where you naysayers have zero reasonably logical retort..[/QUOTE]It was Bergamo in Italy, more than Milano, and I don't remember fridge trucks in streets there, but for sure too many deaths from covid and unfortunately not finished yet. I wonder which between 2020 and 2021 will have more deaths?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2528855]However, I do want to emphasize the third part that was somehow cut out though. I think that subgroup is the larger sect we see in many of the discussions on this forum. It seems that most of the people here, even as ridiculous as they sound, do have some sort of post secondary education. That observation to me just emphasizes the fact that not all university educations are created equal. I don't think an undergraduate business degree really teaches many hard skills and how to actually think and process information. Successful business majors probably would have been successful in that field even without a fancy university degree.[/QUOTE]Summarizing all three parts once more: (1) lower levels of education, (2) feeling powerless and disillusioned, and (3) wanting to be part of a group. Wouldn't these also be indicators or predictors for religious fervor? I believe that generalization to be true, but of course, amongst the ranks of the super-religious, there are also many powerful, educated, alphas, who have not been alienated from the group.
Bill Maher had this to say about the conspiracy theorist movement that is currently in the spotlight:
[QUOTE]If you accord religious faith the kind of exalted respect we do here in America, you've already lost the argument that mass delusion is bad.
Mega-churches play QAnon videos. It's the same basic plot. Q is the prophet, Trump is the messiah, there is an apocalyptic event looming. There is a titanic struggle of good versus evil. And if you want good to win, just keep those checks coming in.
We need to stop pretending there is no way we will ever understand why the Trump mob believes in him (QAnon). It is because they are religious. They've already made space in their heads for shit that does not make sense. When you are a QAnon fanatic, you are also a fundamentalist Christian. They just go together. That insurrection looked like a revival meeting with people praying around wooden crosses, waving the Christian flag, and "Jesus Saves" signs, yelling "Jesus is my saviour, Trump is my President"
https://youtu.be/zhTbtqOJA08..[/QUOTE]I am not sure if I share his opinion that QAnon and the Evangelical Christian communities are equivalent. Maher has a strong anti-religion stance. Personally, I have met Christian, Muslim, and Jews that are highly educated, sometimes in STEM fields, and I would like to believe that we had mutual respect for each other. I will say that they have never framed their beliefs as "facts". They acknowledge that their understanding of the world from a religious perspective is entirely faith-based.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2529011]It was Bergamo in Italy, more than Milano, and I don't remember fridge trucks in streets there, but for sure too many deaths from covid and unfortunately not finished yet. I wonder which between 2020 and 2021 will have more deaths?[/QUOTE]Yes, he is right that the town of Bergamo was the posterchild and media darling for the Italian crisis. Closer inspection however reveals that the Lombardy region which includes both Milan and Bergamo was suffering last spring. For perspective, in March, Bergamo had 1100 of the 3400 deaths in the entire Lombardy region, about a third. Hmmm, I wonder where the bulk of the other 2300 Lombardy deaths were? Could it have been in the largest Lombardy metro center of Milan? Hmmm, I wonder.
[URL]https://graphics.reuters.com/HEALTH-CORONAVIRUS-LOMBARDY/0100B5LT46P/index.html[/URL]
Anyway, meanwhile the army had to be called into Bergamo to haul away dead bodies. At the same time bodies were rotting in Italian homes waiting for 30 hours for a doctor to come declare them dead. They could have had the decency to at least keep the bodies cold in a fridge truck.
[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/19/generation-has-died-italian-province-struggles-bury-coronavirus-dead[/URL]
Meanwhile, fast forward to February of 2021. The USA and most of Europe has passed its peak deaths and will likely enter a period of steady / slow decline. Most countries except for France of course. For some reason, while most other developed western nations have seen the worst, France continues to see a rise in both cases AND deaths. Even Spain who seem to lag behind others but still ahead of France has seen a decrease in cases and is currently about to exit its peak deaths. Meanwhile France continues the steady incline of both cases and deaths.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2529020]Summarizing all three parts once more: (1) lower levels of education, (2) feeling powerless and disillusioned, and (3) wanting to be part of a group. Wouldn't these also be indicators or predictors for religious fervor? I believe that generalization to be true, but of course, amongst the ranks of the super-religious, there are also many powerful, educated, alphas, who have not been alienated from the group..[/QUOTE]Nice observation in connecting the conspiracy theorist psychology to the [B]extremely[/B] religious sharing those three qualities. Those people have eerie similarities to those who become part of cults don't they? Thinking that they are special with access to privileged information, meanwhile they're just like other cattle being led to slaughter. I'm certain that I've read several editorials regarding ISIS members being indoctrinated into the group in the same manner as gangs and their members. They are given a sense of group belonging united in some cause, principal, or code of ethics, basically a cult. Deeply evangelical Christians indeed share similar characteristics, they just only attend meetings once a week on Sundays, sometimes Saturdays for some sects. And they are not actively encouraged to kill cultists of other cults or members of other gangs.
Side note, do you think a significant number of the religious alpha types are actually [B]super[/B] religious? Or were they just indoctrinated at a young age and just continue to reap the benefits of belonging or even having their guilt and fears of the afterlife assuaged? Or are they like those mega church preachers who pray on donations from the religious poor and naive elderly, think Billy Graham or even Donald Trump who professed to being a religious man. He couldn't even come up with a bible verse he admires or answer if he prefers the Old or the New Testament. Or even say "Second Corinthians" correctly, instead opting to say "Two Corinthians. " Anyway, he's a coward at heart that just wears an alpha suit anyway, so this diversion is beyond the point.
I do think that the ultra religious actually receive benefits from being a part of their cult. They actually do become empowered by the group and actually do get that sense of belonging. Conspiracy theorists however, especially those of the internet variety, never actually get that validation from others. They, in large, continue to be social outcasts which has a positive feedback loop causing them to dive further into their pathological psychology.
I will admit that I am doing a disservice. Those that seriously fall into the conspiracy theory world have been said to only be pushed further into that world when confronted or challenged. The gold standard of care for those people are to correct the root cause of illness. That root cause being, lack of authentic confidence, lack of belonging, and lack of education. Those are Maslow's higher level needs and enables a human to completely realize fulfillment. When fulfilled, there is no longer a need to fill the void that is the root of conspiracy theorist psychopathology.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2529081]Yes, he is right that the town of Bergamo was the posterchild and media darling for the Italian crisis. Closer inspection however reveals that the Lombardy region which includes both Milan and Bergamo was suffering last spring. For perspective, in March, Bergamo had 1100 of the 3400 deaths in the entire Lombardy region, about a third. Hmmm, I wonder where the bulk of the other 2300 Lombardy deaths were? Could it have been in the largest Lombardy metro center of Milan? Hmmm, I wonder.
[URL]https://graphics.reuters.com/HEALTH-CORONAVIRUS-LOMBARDY/0100B5LT46P/index.html[/URL]
Anyway, meanwhile the army had to be called into Bergamo to haul away dead bodies. At the same time bodies were rotting in Italian homes waiting for 30 hours for a doctor to come declare them dead. They could have had the decency to at least keep the bodies cold in a fridge truck.
[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/19/generation-has-died-italian-province-struggles-bury-coronavirus-dead[/URL]
Meanwhile, fast forward to February of 2021. The USA and most of Europe has passed its peak deaths and will likely enter a period of steady / slow decline. Most countries except for France of course. For some reason, while most other developed western nations have seen the worst, France continues to see a rise in both cases AND deaths. Even Spain who seem to lag behind others but still ahead of France has seen a decrease in cases and is currently about to exit its peak deaths. Meanwhile France continues the steady incline of both cases and deaths.[/QUOTE]When US had 4000 deaths per day just very few days ago, I don't even look now but they have their own Californian mutant, when EU countries close their borders even inside EU, ask Belgium or Portugal, or Germany which now forbid UK to enter, when after UK mutant but now south African mutant is spreading in UK and probably in Europe. Unfortunately, bad reality on beginning of 2021, when not enough vaccine to protect even only at risk ones. Worst situation now in Germany than under first wave 1 year ago, when they have more strict lockdown since end of last year, than in France. Even all for money Switzerland ask now to register to enter, with quarantine for most. I m pretty sure thousands of covid deaths daily around the world at the moment and until when? With more and more mutants spreading.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2529092]Nice observation in connecting the conspiracy theorist psychology to the [B]extremely[/B] religious sharing those three qualities. Those people have eerie similarities to those who become part of cults don't they? Thinking that they are special with access to privileged information, meanwhile they're just like other cattle being led to slaughter. I'm certain that I've read several editorials regarding ISIS members being indoctrinated into the group in the same manner as gangs and their members. They are given a sense of group belonging united in some cause, principal, or code of ethics, basically a cult.[/QUOTE]I was more or less relaying the Bill Maher commentary. As you said, with mainstream religions, ISIS or gangs, the members are usually born into it or they are indoctrinated at a young age. I would say that with gangs and maybe even ISIS, you do not have to necessarily buy into the ideology. Sometimes people join as a means of survival. And while there is perhaps an imaginary enemy, usually there is no mystical nature to it. AFAIK, MS-13 or ISIS do not believe in locusts, multi-headed dragons, or alien lizard people. And yes, one's entry into a conspiracy theory generally takes place in adulthood. I do not think that detracts from Maher's main point, which is: organized religion (specifically Evangelical) is the gateway drug to conspiracy theory movements like QAnon, because in his pro-atheist words, those people have already bought into one "mass delusion".
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2529092]Side note, do you think a significant number of the religious alpha types are actually [B]super[/B] religious? Or were they just indoctrinated at a young age and just continue to reap the benefits of belonging or even having their guilt and fears of the afterlife assuaged? Or are they like those mega church preachers who pray on donations from the religious poor and naive elderly, think Billy Graham or even Donald Trump who professed to being a religious man.[/QUOTE]Being a member of religious group (or in Trump's case proclaiming to be a member) accords social benefits. In the USA, 19 percent of households are above the $100 K threshold. Households from certain religious groups are over-represented in this $100 K income bracket. That said, there are no figures specifying how many of these households fall into "super religious" category. [URL]https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/10/11/how-income-varies-among-u-s-religious-groups/[/URL].
A Pew study was able to delve further into metrics that measure religious commitment and how they relate to education attainment. Their findings: "Overall, USA Adults with college degrees are less religious than others, but this pattern does not hold among Christians". [URL]https://www.pewforum.org/2017/04/26/in-america-does-more-education-equal-less-religion/[/URL].
In general, wealthier countries are less religious. USA is the only rich, western OECD country, where half the population still prays daily. About 19 percent of Americans are white Evangelicals, which is roughly 60 million people. Statistically speaking, I would imagine that there are super religious who manage to emerge from the pack to be a leader amongst men in their own parallel universe or even mainstream USA.
Traditionally, religion created a sense of community. Even socially inept people were included in the flock. Can't find a wife or GF or friends on your own? No problem, you could fallback on arranged marriages and prayer groups. Now people go into dark corners of the Internet to find that sense of community. Can't find anyone who will talk to you because you are annoying af? No problem you could just ramble on a sex forum. Does this more solitary lifestyle make people more vulnerable to being radicalized?
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2529199]When US had 4000 deaths per day just very few days ago, I don't even look now but they have their own Californian mutant, when EU countries close their borders even inside EU, ask Belgium or Portugal, or Germany which now forbid UK to enter, when after UK mutant but now south African mutant is spreading in UK and probably in Europe. Unfortunately, bad reality on beginning of 2021, when not enough vaccine to protect even only at risk ones. Worst situation now in Germany than under first wave 1 year ago, when they have more strict lockdown since end of last year, than in France. Even all for money Switzerland ask now to register to enter, with quarantine for most. I m pretty sure thousands of covid deaths daily around the world at the moment and until when? With more and more mutants spreading.[/QUOTE]Math doesn't lie and the peaks are behind nearly all European nations and USA. All except for France of course. Good thing Germany's new case numbers are back to where they were in November before the recent lock down. Deaths are down to pre-Christmas numbers. USA cases are back to November numbers and dropping with deaths having peaked in January. Smart people look at the trajectory of where things are going, not fixated on the passing present. Weather is soon to warm up, number of vaccinated will only go up despite slow rollout, no major holidays to cause large gathering events. Everyone in the western world is on the right trajectory, except France.
Mutants, mutants, mutants, blah blah blah. That sentiment would be taken seriously if you understand what mutants actually mean and how they affect disease. Regardless, case numbers and deaths are still declining despite your boogey man mutants. UK, South Africa, and California, the sources of your mutants have all seen drastic declines in daily cases and deaths despite your "fears". #Facts.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2529221]I was more or less relaying the Bill Maher commentary.
And yes, one's entry into a conspiracy theory generally takes place in adulthood. I do not think that detracts from Maher's main point, which is: organized religion (specifically Evangelical) is the gateway drug to conspiracy theory movements like QAnon, because in his pro-atheist words, those people have already bought into one "mass delusion".[/QUOTE]Agreed, believing in angels and demons in the biblical sense definitely primes someone to accept ideas as facts without proof, making them more impressionable, influence-able, and susceptible to bullshit. Same soft mentality that conspiracy theorists have. Over reliance on maybes and what ifs.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2529221]Now people go into dark corners of the Internet to find that sense of community. Can't find anyone who will talk to you because you are annoying af? No problem you could just ramble on a sex forum. Does this more solitary lifestyle make people more vulnerable to being radicalized?[/QUOTE]Abso-fucking-lutely. The sad part is that a 25 or 35 year old conspiracy theorist who never finds that fulfillment through achievement or social acceptance will only become more of a nutcase 10 years later.
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Oh look, the entire world cv19 trend is down for both cases and deaths. Praise Jesus. Glory to Allah.
Mutants. Pfft. A speed bump at best. Wash your hands, wear your face masks, get the vaccine. Avoid unnecessary, unprotected close quarter contact and we'll continue this long road back to some form of normalcy! Maybe if we're lucky, there will be some form of international mongering by summer.
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[QUOTE=Karen2;2528224]Can you tell me what is MMA fighter I don't know what is this please tell me.[/QUOTE]MMA = Mixed Martial Arts.
It's a brutal sport but they are real apex athletes. Stamina, agility, and strength must be incorporated. Their training is more intense than most other athletes. Half of them might be dumb as bricks with brain damage but 15 minutes in the Octagon takes much more physical fitness than a half day "climbing" up a mountain or should I say walking up a mountain as climbing would entail belaying, gripping rocks with your hands, or traversing. They are real athletes in the octagon who must maintain top physical condition rather than being one dimensional endurance "athletes."
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2529199]When US had 4000 deaths per day just very few days ago, I don't even look now but they have their own Californian mutant, when EU countries close their borders even inside EU, ask Belgium or Portugal, or Germany which now forbid UK to enter, when after UK mutant but now south African mutant is spreading in UK and probably in Europe. Unfortunately, bad reality on beginning of 2021, when not enough vaccine to protect even only at risk ones. Worst situation now in Germany than under first wave 1 year ago, when they have more strict lockdown since end of last year, than in France. Even all for money Switzerland ask now to register to enter, with quarantine for most. I m pretty sure thousands of covid deaths daily around the world at the moment and until when? With more and more mutants spreading.[/QUOTE]New Biden telling on superbowl for more than 450.000 deaths. For sure these sad figures telling things are going better, when will go over 500.000. Same like week end will never be Bruce Springsteen who supported Biden.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2529327]Oh look, the entire world cv19 trend is down for both cases and deaths. Praise Jesus. Glory to Allah.
Mutants. Pfft. A speed bump at best. Wash your hands, wear your face masks, get the vaccine. Avoid unnecessary, unprotected close quarter contact and we'll continue this long road back to some form of normalcy! Maybe if we're lucky, there will be some form of international mongering by summer.[/QUOTE]Well according to your second graph the trend is not very robust and the number of daily deaths is still very high.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2529327]Oh look, the entire world cv19 trend is down for both cases and deaths. Praise Jesus. Glory to Allah.
Mutants. Pfft. A speed bump at best. Wash your hands, wear your face masks, get the vaccine. Avoid unnecessary, unprotected close quarter contact and we'll continue this long road back to some form of normalcy! Maybe if we're lucky, there will be some form of international mongering by summer.[/QUOTE]What's your comment to the AZ vaccine being useless against the South African variant?
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Good luck hoping for FKKs opening in 2021, or in 2022.
This is roughly what I've been saying for half a year now: mutations will render the "vaccine" mostly ineffective, and we will be in a never ending series of lockdowns, and "vaccines."
Title of the article: "Has the battle against the mutations already been lost?
Melanie Brinkmann, a German virologist who has the ear of Angela Merkel, declares (my translation): "And the answer is given by the Coronavirus expert. The pandemic will occupy us in 2022, because the vaccinations are not getting along fast enough. This race has long been lost. Everything else is wishful thinking, fed by the false promises of some politicians. " [URL]https://de.euronews.com/2021/02/06/kampf-gegen-mutationen-schon-verloren-die-warnung-von-melanie-brinkmann[/URL].
"Und die Antwort liefert die Coronavirus-Expertin gleich mit. Die Pandemie werde uns auch 2022 noch beschäftigen, denn das Impfen gehe nicht schnell genug voran. "Dieser Wettlauf ist längst verloren. Alles andere entspringt Wunschdenken, genährt von falschen Versprechungen einiger Politiker."
[URL]https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/braunschweig_harz_goettingen/Virologin-Brinkmann-Mit-diesem-Kurs-haben-wir-keine-Chance[/URL], brinkmann236. Html.
" Die 47 Jahre alte Virologin aus Neustadt am rübenberge (Region Hannover), die zum wissenschaftlichen Beraterstab von Kanzlerin Angela Merkel (CDU) und den Ministerpräsidenten gehört".
My translation: "The 47 years old virologist from Neustadt am Ruebenberge (region Hannover), who is part of the scientific advisory counsel of Angela Merkel (CDU) and the prime ministers.
Now the 'usual suspects' like for example Mursenary and McAdonis can post long off-topic stories or come up with all sorts of accusations of "conspiracy theories" in order to push my post to the bottom and out of sight.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2529453]What's your comment to the AZ vaccine being useless against the South African variant?[/QUOTE]I think South Africa is being practical.
The recent AZ study in South Africa was strange. The study was only able to include 2000 participants with an average participant age of only 31. The press release stated that of the 1000 participants who received the vaccine, 19 eventually became symptomatic with mild to moderate disease while 20 of 1000 participants who received the placebo developed mild-mod symptoms. There was no mention of any cases of severe disease. My suspicion was that there were no severe cases because the average participant age was so young. Most 31 year olds would not have developed severe disease with or without vaccination.
As such, the study design was very limited. It was too small. It did not support efficacy in preventing mild disease but at the same time, was too limited to rule out usefulness in preventing severe disease due to the extremely young population studied.
When I say that South Africa is being practical, I am considering that they had the choice between AZ and JJ vaccines and decided to shift towards the JJ rollout. While AZ sorts out the data, opting to invest in a JJ vaccine that only requires a single dose while also already showing efficacy in protecting against severe disease in South Africa seems to be a reasonably strategic move. They are obviously looking for the cheapest and easiest to distribute vaccine as they did not even entertain the freezer stored 2-dose Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. JJ for poor nations, with its so-so efficacy in preventing mild disease but excellent efficacy in protecting against severe disease, seems to be the most appropriate choice. Single dose, refrigerator stored, decent efficacy, the JJ vaccine will be the budget vaccine of choice for poor nations.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2529453]What's your comment to the AZ vaccine being useless against the South African variant?[/QUOTE]You should stop listening to cocksuckers who believe being a beta sheep will get them a raise. Then again, he is from Thailand. Where men are not always men.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2528765]Well, I'm so happy that you're so intelligent to judge that no one else here is not as intelligent as you.
However, there is one thing I don't understand: since prostitution is the "oldest profession in the world" and you're on a prostitution internet forum, then wouldn't that imply that your own evolutionary progress (from a "one cell amoebe" into a human) and dealing with the most basic of hardwired human urges, sex and reproduction, is perhaps not as "intelligent" and sophisticated as you'd like it to be? LOL![/QUOTE]The reason the angels ascended down to earth was only have the taste of female pussy.
Translated from quasi Bible speech that means we all once were AI. But then some thousands of us decided to enter human Avatars in order to get to have sex with beautiful women.
In essence, this is a step beyond super human AI.
Then again, it also means that 99% of all humans are only software programmed NPCs that only gets computer animated once you actually see them.
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This dude Mursenary for example is one example of a computer generated NPC. You can tell by how he only copy paste ideas easily found in mainstream media and in simple propaganda funded textbooks made for ordinary bachelor programs at nursery school.
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Another indication is that he has a beta dick. Only so that while the rest of us are enjoying beautiful Romanian and Bulgarian girls at FKK clubs, we will feel even greater. The brain behind this very NPC was a smart person indeed!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2529329]MMA = Mixed Martial Arts.
It's a brutal sport but they are real apex athletes. Stamina, agility, and strength must be incorporated. Their training is more intense than most other athletes. Half of them might be dumb as bricks with brain damage but 15 minutes in the Octagon takes much more physical fitness than a half day "climbing" up a mountain or should I say walking up a mountain as climbing would entail belaying, gripping rocks with your hands, or traversing. They are real athletes in the octagon who must maintain top physical condition rather than being one dimensional endurance "athletes."[/QUOTE]I agree for brutal violent and dangerous sport, but most of them would not be able to bicycle climb my spots, when professional racers wanted to avoid Zoncolan for years, but Giro of Italia want to try to compete with tour de France, nor to climb with heart on edge of red zone for hours, meaning between 140 and 160 and more when more steep than 15%. Like in superbowl where the old was so much more efficient than the young new superstar. No rhythm but always adverts more than sport. I would like to see Tonga or Fuiji playing, they would break helmets and protections, when rugby is a real sport, not just a show. Maybe why Brady keeps on still being the best, after more than 20 years in this business more than sport, when I improved since I started nearly 20 years ago at age when professionals are usually on their top for resistance, but I perform better now than when in 30's.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2529487]Another indication is that he has a beta dick. Only so that while the rest of us are enjoying beautiful Romanian and Bulgarian girls at FKK clubs, we will feel even greater. The brain behind this very NPC was a smart person indeed![/QUOTE]Can you translate this into English, please?
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2529487]Another indication is that he has a beta dick. Only so that while the rest of us are enjoying beautiful Romanian and Bulgarian girls at FKK clubs, we will feel even greater. The brain behind this very NPC was a smart person indeed![/QUOTE]I could claim I have alpha size and I'm able to count my hands and feet fingers, when I didn't achieve for one of the 10 best French school, higher ranked than any French university, to play sport to show my school, but I preferred to work to improve cars with money earned while holidays except going to ski.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2529582]Can you translate this into English, please?[/QUOTE]NPC = Non Playable Character. Meaning that in our simulated reality, not all people have consciousness.
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In worst France than elsewhere but less deaths per people than in US, UK and Portugal, but now we have UK, south African and Brazilian mutants, looking forward Californian one, when I never heard any medical telling about French or German mutant, and our neighbors countries should have same than us, Germany forbidding UK to enter now and being under very strict lockdown since Christmas and not finished. I'm not so sure for less deaths on 2021 than on 2020. Sun and heat may make our organism make more vitamin the to be stronger to fight virus, but after Summer? How many mutants then? When vaccine have only short efficiency = not more than 1 year. And even I m sure Biden is much more honest than Trump, how can they really know among 11 millions illegals and more than 50 millions without healthcare insurance, so they die hidden, because they can't pay for healthcare or hospital. Even I don't worry so much for my health and won't change my way of life, even job became much more complicated since November, needing to be daily on the field, in the cold, to check safety, but I feel more safe with French healthcare.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2529327]Oh look, the entire world cv19 trend is down for both cases and deaths. Praise Jesus. Glory to Allah.
Mutants. Pfft. A speed bump at best. Wash your hands, wear your face masks, get the vaccine. Avoid unnecessary, unprotected close quarter contact and we'll continue this long road back to some form of normalcy! Maybe if we're lucky, there will be some form of international mongering by summer.[/QUOTE]The problem is not that the world is facing mutants or increase and decrease in cases & deaths.
The real challenge is the virus symptoms and long term effect of it on the people and overall health also the vaccines are not tested enough on variety of people so there is big number of factors we hope to understand to overcome the virus.
Simply the symptoms differ from group to group of people and too much unknown on how the virus acts on us.
Thus until collecting a good amount of data and understand the how it affects different organs and why is the immuno response different widely.
We still hope for the best and wait.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2529489]I agree for brutal violent and dangerous sport, but most of them would not be able to bicycle climb my spots, when professional racers wanted to avoid Zoncolan for years, but Giro of Italia want to try to compete with tour de France, nor to climb with heart on edge of red zone for hours, meaning between 140 and 160 and more when more steep than 15%. Like in superbowl where the old was so much more efficient than the young new superstar. No rhythm but always adverts more than sport. I would like to see Tonga or Fuiji playing, they would break helmets and protections, when rugby is a real sport, not just a show. Maybe why Brady keeps on still being the best, after more than 20 years in this business more than sport, when I improved since I started nearly 20 years ago at age when professionals are usually on their top for resistance, but I perform better now than when in 30's.[/QUOTE]And professional racers, rugby players, and football players would literally get [B]killed[/B] in the ring / octagon against a trained MMA fighter. But walking up a hill is not climbing a mountain unless you free climb with your hands or belay with a partner. Walking up a hill is not a sport. Keeping fit as you age with cardiovascular exercise is a nice hobby to extend life. Bragging about it as if one is an athlete is a joke.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2529445]Well according to your second graph the trend is not very robust and the number of daily deaths is still very high.[/QUOTE]The point is to look where things are going, not where they are. Just like investing in stocks, the losers are the ones who jump on a trend based on what has already happened. The biggest winners look at the trajectory, incorporate variables, and then make big moves.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2529475]This is roughly what I've been saying for half a year now: mutations will render the "vaccine" mostly ineffective, and we will be in a never ending series of lockdowns, and "vaccines."
Now the 'usual suspects' like for example Mursenary and McAdonis can post long off-topic stories or come up with all sorts of accusations of "conspiracy theories" in order to push my post to the bottom and out of sight.[/QUOTE]Still waiting for those sources for autoimmune disease and DNA altering effects from the vaccine homie.
BTW, welcome to the rants and WTF are you talking about and coronavirus thread.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2529654]In worst France than elsewhere but less deaths per people than in US, UK and Portugal, but now we have UK, south African and Brazilian mutants, looking forward Californian one, when I never heard any medical telling about French or German mutant, and our neighbors countries should have same than us, Germany forbidding UK to enter now and being under very strict lockdown since Christmas and not finished. I'm not so sure for less deaths on 2021 than on 2020. Sun and heat may make our organism make more vitamin the to be stronger to fight virus, but after Summer? How many mutants then? When vaccine have only short efficiency = not more than 1 year. And even I m sure[/QUOTE]Question, can you define what determines when a mutation becomes called a "mutant"? Can you tell me what actually differentiates one "mutant" from another?
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2529649]NPC = Non Playable Character. Meaning that in our simulated reality, not all people have consciousness.[/QUOTE]Do you realize that the things generated by your PlayStation are not real?
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[QUOTE]Sun and heat may make our organism make more vitamin the to be stronger to fight virus, but after Summer? How many mutants then? When vaccine have only short efficiency = not more than 1 year. [/QUOTE]The lockdowns have actually kept this virus alive for much longer than normal, allowing multiple mutations, but at the same time they have completely destroyed the economy that is needed to support a healthcare system. Merkel and Macron have done the opposite of what is logical.
This is why the WHO recommends lockdowns only as an absolute LAST resort, and only for a very limited time like a few weeks in order "to buy time" and to release pressure off the hospital system. In Europe, most strict lockdowns started at the end of October and are still ongoing. Most people don't expect any easing of these lockdowns until Easter, which this year is on April 4th.
That means: 5 months (nearly half a year) of almost pure lockdowns with closed restaurants, closed gyms, closed shops, yet "cases" have continued to increase which means that the virus is still spreading and continues to mutate. This also means that lockdowns have an extremely limited use.
Directly from the WHO website: [URL]https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/herd-immunity-lockdowns-and-covid-19[/URL].
[QUOTE]"However, these measures can have a profound negative impact on individuals, communities, and societies by bringing social and economic life to a near stop. Such measures disproportionately affect disadvantaged groups, including people in poverty, migrants, internally displaced people and refugees, who most often live in overcrowded and under resourced settings, and depend on daily labour for subsistence.
WHO recognizes that at certain points, some countries have had no choice but to issue stay-at-home orders and other measures, to buy time.[/QUOTE]
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The consequences of bullying on feeble minds are terrible.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2529697]Question, can you define what determines when a mutation becomes called a "mutant"? Can you tell me what actually differentiates one "mutant" from another?[/QUOTE]Easy. Just watch all the X-men movies. Or ask professor Xavier.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2529687] Keeping fit as you age with cardiovascular exercise is a nice hobby to extend life. Bragging about it as if one is an athlete is a joke.[/QUOTE]Except that in order to improve your condition or to keep fit, you have to train regularly. And 2 or 3 weeks in a year is not what I call 'regularly'. Especially for endurance sports.
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Being a creepy stalker is being special and different!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2529697]Question, can you define what determines when a mutation becomes called a "mutant"? Can you tell me what actually differentiates one "mutant" from another?[/QUOTE]All medicals, even in US, except you, tell about mutants, at least 4 known at the moment and EU countries closed borders, even inside EU because of mutants spreading, when I have nothing to do with this EU decision to try to protect us, when I would really prefer to go to ski, or to FKK land, than closed borders and no ski at the moment in France nor Germany nor Italy. Don't you have a Californian mutant? With California which was down under very few weeks ago. UK was in panic and London out of control on beginning of this new year, under their mutant.
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Being bullied makes young people incredibly insecure: When you're being bullied, you can feel constantly insecure and on guard. Even if you're not actively being bullied, you're aware it could start anytime. It has a big mental and emotional impact—you feel unaccepted, isolated, angry, and withdrawn. You're always wondering how you can do better and how you can escape a bully's notice. You're also stunted because of the constant tension and because maybe you forego making certain friendships or miss out on taking certain chances that could actually help your development.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2529475]Now the 'usual suspects' like for example Mursenary and McAdonis can post long off-topic stories or come up with all sorts of accusations of "conspiracy theories" in order to push my post to the bottom and out of sight.[/QUOTE]Paranoia is obviously in your DNA, thus the penchant for conspiracy theories.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2529691]Still waiting for those sources for autoimmune disease and DNA altering effects from the vaccine homie.[/QUOTE]As Jed Clampett used to say, "take off your shoes, set a spell" because you are going to be waiting a very long time. Wink.
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[QUOTE=McGrath;2529851]You are not special to the girls. You are in no position to judge them. You really should think about what you post.
I wouldn't know who you are if a girl hadn't pointed you out and called you a stalker. Always standing by the stairs at Sharks watching everybody all day.[/QUOTE]Amen! I've heard very similar feedback from girls.
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[QUOTE=McGrath;2529851]You are not special to the girls. You are in no position to judge them. You really should think about what you post.
I wouldn't know who you are if a girl hadn't pointed you out and called you a stalker. Always standing by the stairs at Sharks watching everybody all day.[/QUOTE]I think most of us know who he is, he is speaking too much to the girls, never trust a prostitute, and in a FKK every thig is lie and bullshit. Personally I stated mongering after 48 and a hard divorce, spent 15 years fucking prostitutes and sorry it was enough for me, fortunately I was able to understand that there is no future for me by doing this.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2529877]Amen! I've heard very similar feedback from girls.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately for him, we all heard the same thing, sad to see that some guys still believe that the girls are looking for orgasm, good sex, big cock. They are just looking for money. I always recommend to the guys who are thinking differently to go 1 day to her favorite in a FKK and telling today you have no money, I can already guess the answer of the girl.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2529756]I wonder if 1990's women also found a 163 cm, 65 kg male stature to be irresistible.[/QUOTE]Maybe not in the 90's, but I'm sure that in the 2000's some girls had a crush on Elijah Wood when he saved our asses by entering the Mordor.
Well maybe a tiny part of them are fantasizing about an ageing creepy version of Elijah.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2529737]Do you realize that the things generated by your PlayStation are not real?[/QUOTE]Define reality.
Everything we observe are made up of waves, and given we have enough computer power, we can generate waves the exact same way. Especially inside a simulated reality.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2529856]All medicals, even in US, except you, tell about mutants, at least 4 known at the moment and EU countries closed borders, even inside EU because of mutants spreading, when I have nothing to do with this EU decision to try to protect us, when I would really prefer to go to ski, or to FKK land, than closed borders and no ski at the moment in France nor Germany nor Italy. Don't you have a Californian mutant? With California which was down under very few weeks ago. UK was in panic and London out of control on beginning of this new year, under their mutant.[/QUOTE]To add, UK sport teams which are tested very often, are now forbidden in Germany and also in Spain, so I think should be same for UK citizens, and I'm sure I have no power about these decisions and also to close borders, even inside EU. EU decisions and they may have good reasons for this when it really not help our economy, when new Aztra Zeneca don't seem efficient versus south African, from a UK discovery, not me, I promise.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2529895]Maybe not in the 90's, but I'm sure that in the 2000's some girls had a crush on Elijah Wood when he saved our asses by entering the Mordor.
Well maybe a tiny part of them are fantasizing about an ageing creepy version of Elijah.[/QUOTE]I heard he recently starred in a horror movie named Come to Daddy.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2529781]The lockdowns have actually kept this virus alive for much longer than normal,
completely destroyed the economy . Merkel and Macron have done the opposite of what is logical.
In Europe, most strict lockdowns started at the end of October until Easter, which this year is on April 4th.
That means: 5 months (nearly half a year) of almost pure lockdowns with closed restaurants, closed gyms, closed shops, yet "cases" have continued to increase which means that the virus is still spreading and continues to mutate. This also means that lockdowns have an extremely limited use.
.[/QUOTE]And they use fear to justify this and make people obey.
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[QUOTE=Tuber19;2529930]And they use fear to justify this and make people obey.[/QUOTE]I don't agree and even I really miss to go to ski, but I agree Macron and Merkel when they try to save life, when too many deaths as a real fact. France don't have such strict lockdown than our neighbors and we are not worst at the moment, with no panic in hospitals, but we have now 3 mutants and Aztra Zeneca don't seem efficient versus south African. Lockdowns saved life, when we see about UK panic, when not putting on masks.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2529929]I heard he recently starred in a horror movie named Come to Daddy.[/QUOTE]I just saw him in Maniac, the remake of an old horror movie.
He's stalking the girls, killing them and taking their scalp to play with mannequins he has in his house. The stalking part reminds me of someone, close to his size.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2529848]Except that in order to improve your condition or to keep fit, you have to train regularly. And 2 or 3 weeks in a year is not what I call 'regularly'. Especially for endurance sports.[/QUOTE]The best way to improve your condition is with sex. I do different positions for enjoyment, the bonus is that I get to work out all my muscles. Pleasure and keeping fit in one go. Life is good.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2529781]The lockdowns have actually kept this virus alive for much longer than normal, allowing multiple mutations, but at the same time they have completely destroyed the economy that is needed to support a healthcare system. Merkel and Macron have done the opposite of what is logical.
This is why the WHO recommends lockdowns only as an absolute LAST resort, and only for a very limited time like a few weeks in order "to buy time" and to release pressure off the hospital system. In Europe, most strict lockdowns started at the end of October and are still ongoing. Most people don't expect any easing of these lockdowns until Easter, which this year is on April 4th.
That means: 5 months (nearly half a year) of almost pure lockdowns with closed restaurants, closed gyms, closed shops, yet "cases" have continued to increase which means that the virus is still spreading and continues to mutate. This also means that lockdowns have an extremely limited use.
Directly from the WHO website: [URL]https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/herd-immunity-lockdowns-and-covid-19[/URL].[/QUOTE]Lockdowns have literally no good effect is stopping the virus. Look at California and New York as opposed to Florida and Texas. In fact long term lockdowns (anything more than a month) make people more vulnerable to the virus as their body (immune system) forgets how to fight against unknown pathogens.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2529892]Unfortunately for him, we all heard the same thing, sad to see that some guys still believe that the girls are looking for orgasm, good sex, big cock. They are just looking for money. I always recommend to the guys who are thinking differently to go 1 day to her favorite in a FKK and telling today you have no money, I can already guess the answer of the girl.[/QUOTE]We are here in a place where we can fantasize about everything, like we are in a FKK. Why not pretend a Superman.
I have seen many regulars of this forum in clubs. The guy with the nicest body among them never writes about his body and likes to talk about statistics in this forum. This is an interesting fact.
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[QUOTE=TonyMontanaaO7;2529860]Being bullied makes young people incredibly insecure: When you're being bullied, you can feel constantly insecure and on guard. Even if you're not actively being bullied, you're aware it could start anytime. It has a big mental and emotional impactyou feel unaccepted, isolated, angry, and withdrawn. You're always wondering how you can do better and how you can escape a bully's notice. You're also stunted because of the constant tension and because maybe you forego making certain friendships or miss out on taking certain chances that could actually help your development.[/QUOTE]Everything you mention is well documented, but I think supportive parents can soften most if not all of the of the impact of bullying. In an ideal world, parents would emphasize early childhood development and the teaching of social skills. If a child is 4 years old, but still has the social skills of a 2 year old, he will be ostracized. And once he gets ostracized, and he has no children his age to play with, his social skills will fall further and further behind. Social skills get stunted and it just becomes too difficult to catch-up. In that sense, it is no different than reading or arithmetic.
Unfortunately, getting bullied is a normal part of life for boys. It will always exist. So one should be equipped so that they can overcome bullies. Many people who were bullied find their niche. If you are short, fat, or a minority, you can develop other parts of your personality. Many comedians honed their skills because making other children laugh was their pathway to being well-liked, and that allowed them to "escape their bully's notice". Many successful people were bullied. Elon Musk and Chris Rock come immediately to mind. They used it as fuel to prove people wrong and succeed in life. Many boxing and MMA champions were bullied as children and that motivated them to learn self-defense. But yes, you are right others get discouraged and withdraw. They lose confidence and stop trying in life (socially, academically, or professionally). They find a safe space and stay there. I think that is fine too, as long as they aren't bitter and angry at the world like some incel shooter.
Chris Rock was bullied when he attended an all-white school:
[QUOTE]That was just a horrible existence, Rock said. The closest character I can relate to is Tim Robbins in The Shawshank. Every day was hell. I was a n-r, and I got fing my ass beat. And I got physically fed up, and sometimes some sexual s happened, and yeah. I wasnt raped, but rape-ish.
I was doing a movie a couple of years ago, and one of my bullies was working security on the movie. A guy who literally, one day at school, turned me upside down and shook the money out of my pockets.
When Rock first saw his former bully, he wasnt sure it was him. However, they both quickly realized that they knew each other for a very bad reason.
Im filming a scene, this is Top Five, and I look and Im like, Is that B? Ill just say B. And he nodded He was kind of ashamed. And I just gave him a quick look like, Hey man, I hope youre doing well. Take care.
Despite the immense power Rock had at the time as the director of the film, he chose not to take revenge on his former bully. Instead, he turned the other cheek and allowed the unnamed man to marinate on what was happening.
I kept it moving, I didnt like, Get him off the set, get him fired! Rock said. His sin has punished him. He couldve been my friend. The fact that he had to go through that whole day and watch me walk around and watch me be me, in all my glory. And to be so close to me, but yet so motherfing far.
https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/chris-rock-ran-into-one-of-his-childhood-bullies-on-the-set-of-top-five-a-guy-who-turned-me-upside-down-and-shook-money-out-of-my-pockets.html/..[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2529966]Lockdowns have literally no good effect is stopping the virus. Look at California and New York as opposed to Florida and Texas. In fact long term lockdowns (anything more than a month) make people more vulnerable to the virus as their body (immune system) forgets how to fight against unknown pathogens.[/QUOTE]Okay pal, there hasn't been real "lock downs" in the USA since last summer.
Does anyone here actually live in Texas, NY, FL, and CA? Or visited in 2020/21? In 2020, I spent a month in NYC. My permanent home is in Florida and have returned half dozen times for a total of about a month's time. There were little differences in restrictions. NYC, NY had 10 pm mandatory closures and Miami, FL had a midnight curfew. Both had similar indoor occupancy requirements. Smaller towns and cities in both states had similar minimal regulations.
So really have no idea what you are talking about with lock downs outside of regurgitated rightwing talking points.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2529781]The lockdowns have actually kept this virus alive for much longer than normal, allowing multiple mutations, but at the same time they have completely destroyed the economy that is needed to support a healthcare system. Merkel and Macron have done the opposite of what is logical.
This is why the WHO recommends lockdowns only as an absolute LAST resort, and only for a very limited time like a few weeks in order "to buy time" and to release pressure off the hospital system. In Europe, most strict lockdowns started at the end of October and are still ongoing. Most people don't expect any easing of these lockdowns until Easter, which this year is on April 4th.
That means: 5 months (nearly half a year) of almost pure lockdowns with closed restaurants, closed gyms, closed shops, yet "cases" have continued to increase which means that the virus is still spreading and continues to mutate. This also means that lockdowns have an extremely limited use.
Directly from the WHO website: [URL]https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/herd-immunity-lockdowns-and-covid-19[/URL].[/QUOTE]Why has Mexico, with next to zero restrictions, had some of the worst case numbers in the world?
Cases increasing in Europe? Where besides France? In Germany, max cases was 6 weeks ago. Current case numbers are under 10 K when it was over 25 K in late January.
It seems like you're imagining things as if you're actually rooting for the coronavirus.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2529856]All medicals, even in US, except you, tell about mutants, at least 4 known at the moment and EU countries closed borders, even inside EU because of mutants spreading, when I have nothing to do with this EU decision to try to protect us, when I would really prefer to go to ski, or to FKK land, than closed borders and no ski at the moment in France nor Germany nor Italy. Don't you have a Californian mutant? With California which was down under very few weeks ago. UK was in panic and London out of control on beginning of this new year, under their mutant.[/QUOTE]So what are "all medicals" saying about mutants in relation to vaccines efficacy?
You still haven't answered the question:
[QUOTE]Question, can you define what determines when a mutation becomes called a "mutant"? Can you tell me what actually differentiates one "mutant" from another?[/QUOTE]It doesn't seem like you know.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2529803]The consequences of bullying on feeble minds are terrible.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TonyMontanaaO7;2529860]Being bullied makes young people incredibly insecure: When you're being bullied, you can feel constantly insecure and on guard. Even if you're not actively being bullied, you're aware it could start anytime. It has a big mental and emotional impactyou feel unaccepted, isolated, angry, and withdrawn. You're always wondering how you can do better and how you can escape a bully's notice. You're also stunted because of the constant tension and because maybe you forego making certain friendships or miss out on taking certain chances that could actually help your development.[/QUOTE]Bingo fellas, nailed it.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2529866]As Jed Clampett used to say, "take off your shoes, set a spell" because you are going to be waiting a very long time. Wink.[/QUOTE]What's "unsubstantiated" about my claim that no long term studies have been done?
We simply do not know all long term effects, because all those "vaccines" are deployed under "emergency-use rules" allowing them to skip long term studies.
You want to see long term studies? Look in the mirror: you are it! You're the Guinea pig, and DNA altering side effects simply can NOT be ruled out!
The fact that pharmaceutical companies are NOT liable for any side effects should be a huge red flag for everybody, but government trolls like yourself and Murcenary continue to gaslight here, trying to twist my words around.
[URL]https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/11/pfizer-biontech-interim-report-promising-but-lack-of-data-very-concerning/[/URL]
[QUOTE]“The lack of data is very concerning,” adds Peter Doshi, associate professor of pharmaceutical health services research at the University of Maryland School of Pharmacy. “All we have right now is a headline by Pfizer.”[/QUOTE]Would you buy a car that has never been thoroughly tested? Would you drive 200 km / h on the German Autobahn with the risk that the brakes might not work or the suspension might collapse because the car manufacturer has not tested those components? Would you feel screwed over if you couldn't even sue the manufacturer while you spend the rest of your life in a wheel chair after the car crash?
Suckers who blindly believe the unverified claims from a pharmaceutical company are probably the same suckers who blindly believe the claims from a working girl and then are fleeced and upsold when they go to a room with her. LOL!
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2529960]The best way to improve your condition is with sex. I do different positions for enjoyment, the bonus is that I get to work out all my muscles. Pleasure and keeping fit in one go. Life is good.[/QUOTE]Do you see only fit, looking a bit sporty guys in brothels? Just ask girls and also about what many guys do in room, or just under shower or in lockers, when I feel insulted when girls say: You are a pornstar, fucking more than in 20's guys, when I have to be careful with most of WGs who don't have normal women vagina potential, even when you are their first choice to start their day, or when you take them on late night and feel them tight like a virgin. For my sports, to perform, I need to look at my weight which is my enemy versus chronometer, when I always only go to break my records, when I feel I can't, I prefer to give up to save my energy for next day. Stopped 6 times in col la Bonette 2802 meters high on last Summer when weather was complicated to perform under 2 hours. 39/24 or 28 is good for this 23 kms climbing.
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[QUOTE=Gino02;2529966]Lockdowns have literally no good effect is stopping the virus. Look at California and New York as opposed to Florida and Texas. In fact long term lockdowns (anything more than a month) make people more vulnerable to the virus as their body (immune system) forgets how to fight against unknown pathogens.[/QUOTE]Lockdowns are a good tactic in situations where transmission is spiraling out of control and there is a threat of the health system being overwhelmed. As Nabarro says, they can "buy you time to reorganise, regroup, rebalance your resources".
But they should not be used as the main strategy against COVID-19 more broadly. And the decision to impose a lockdown should be considered carefully, with the benefits weighed against the often very significant consequences.
Lockdowns also have a disproportionate impact on the most disadvantaged people in society. This cost is greater still in poorer countries, where not going to work can mean literally having no food to eat.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2529895]Maybe not in the 90's, but I'm sure that in the 2000's some girls had a crush on Elijah Wood when he saved our asses by entering the Mordor.
Well maybe a tiny part of them are fantasizing about an ageing creepy version of Elijah.[/QUOTE]You have the wrong hobbit. It was the one with the wavy hair and irresistible face. It's this one:
Or perhaps the second one.
"My FKK Eve, My precioussss, my precioussss!
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2530006]Unfortunately, getting bullied is a normal part of life for boys. It will always exist. [/QUOTE]Small side note. My workplace is easily 70% women. Believe me when I say that bullying in the female world is just as ferocious, perhaps much more, especially bullying of the mental variety.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2530006]Many people who were bullied find their niche.
Many successful people were bullied. Elon Musk and Chris Rock come immediately to mind. They used it as fuel to prove people wrong and succeed in life.
But yes, you are right others get discouraged and withdraw. They lose confidence and stop trying in life (socially, academically, or professionally). They find a safe space and stay there. I think that is fine too, as long as they aren't bitter and angry at the world like some incel shooter.[/QUOTE]For every Musk or Chris Rock, there are probably hundreds of millions that end end up in the fringe news and conspiracy theory world.
[QUOTE]Chris Rock was bullied when he attended an all-white school:
When Rock first saw his former bully, he wasnt sure it was him. However, they both quickly realized that they knew each other for a very bad reason.
Despite the immense power Rock had at the time as the director of the film, he chose not to take revenge on his former bully. Instead, he turned the other cheek and allowed the unnamed man to marinate on what was happening. [/QUOTE]"The best revenge is living a better life" -Paraphrased from George Herbert.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2530128]What's "unsubstantiated" about my claim that no long term studies have been done?
We simply do not know all long term effects, because all those "vaccines" are deployed under "emergency-use rules" allowing them to skip long term studies.[/QUOTE]Vaccines have been tested with the same phase III rigor as other pharmaceuticals.
Another and myself have explained to you that evaluation of efficacy and safety are made after phase III results. Have explained that with any other medication, participants are followed for usually less than a year during phase III after which that participant is progressed into phase IV, a phase that does not factor into initial pharmaceutical FDA approval. Have explained to you that the reason phase III usually takes years is due to waiting for funding and participant enrollment. Have explained to you that phase III was completed quickly for these vaccines because funding and waiting for an participant enrollment did not obstruct the timeline.
Your choice not to listen.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2530128] DNA altering side effects simply can NOT be ruled out![/QUOTE]Same thing as saying when you have a blueprint for a bridge, it cannot be ruled out that a double sided dildo would be constructed by accident. You're not technically wrong. But, probability and statistics. And burden of proof.
Still waiting for your DNA alteration source. Autoimmune side effects source?
Crickets.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2530128] government trolls like yourself and Murcenary continue to gaslight here, trying to twist my words around.[/QUOTE]Gaslighting: psychological manipulating someone into questioning their sanity.
Questioning your own sanity. Yes. Go with that. Self evaluate.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2530163]You have the wrong hobbit. It was the one with the wavy hair and irresistible face. It's this one:
Or perhaps the second one.
"My FKK Eve, My precioussss, my precioussss![/QUOTE]The hair, the stare, everything look familiar. As for the second one, I thought he was hiding in a grotto, not under some stairs or behind a pillar?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2530184]Small side note. My workplace is easily 70% women. Believe me when I say that bullying in the female world is just as ferocious, perhaps much more, especially bullying of the mental variety.[/QUOTE]OP was talking about victims foregoing relationships and stunting their own development, so I assumed he was speaking about childhood bullying as opposed to workplace bullying. With childhood bullying, the research shows girls are more likely to get bullied than boys: 30 percent of girls versus 22 percent of boys: [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jun/13/girls-more-likely-to-be-bullied-than-boys-english-schools-survey-finds[/URL].
When a girl gets bullied, she just gets excluded from the "popular group", but aside from suffering from lower self-esteem, she still develops socially at the same rate as her peers, because bullied girls are still able to form friendships with less popular girls. When a boy gets bullied, there is a higher possibility that he will withdraw socially, playing video games all day to escape reality. He rejects the world, before the world can reject him. He might enter adulthood without ever having a single friend, much less a GF. Result: arrested social development, sometimes accompanied with bitterness and anger at the world.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2530077]So what are "all medicals" saying about mutants in relation to vaccines efficacy?
You still haven't answered the question:
It doesn't seem like you know.[/QUOTE]I m not a medical, but maybe you didn't hear, despite your draws, UK telling their Aztra which is for less than 65, would not be efficient versus south African, when UK, south African and Brazilian already spreading in Western Europe which decided to close borders, even inside, to prevent big spreading of mutants, when original is at home in Europe since a while. Once again, not my decision when I would prefer to go to ski, but EU decision and I trust them about trying to save life. Didn't you also hear about Californian mutant and California which was down under few weeks ago? For my job, I have to listen news daily, to try not to have too big problems.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2530274]OP was talking about victims foregoing relationships and stunting their own development, so I assumed he was speaking about childhood bullying as opposed to workplace bullying. With childhood bullying, the research shows girls are more likely to get bullied than boys: 30 percent of girls versus 22 percent of boys: [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jun/13/girls-more-likely-to-be-bullied-than-boys-english-schools-survey-finds[/URL].
When a girl gets bullied, she just gets excluded from the "popular group", but aside from suffering from lower self-esteem, she still develops socially at the same rate as her peers, because bullied girls are still able to form friendships with less popular girls. When a boy gets bullied, there is a higher possibility that he will withdraw socially, playing video games all day to escape reality. He rejects the world, before the world can reject him. He might enter adulthood without ever having a single friend, much less a GF. Result: arrested social development, sometimes accompanied with bitterness and anger at the world.[/QUOTE]I agree with you with the end effect of males ending up more as social outcasts, even to the point of incel mass murderers or the Japanese recluse. But I would hesitate to relegate the ferocity of female bullying to "just" exclusion from the popular group and low self esteem. Even the "less popular" girls can be pretty harsh to each other, especially if the girl is sort of a weirdo or a type A know-it-all.
Isn't the social rejection the root cause of the psychological issues or do we believe that the physical part of bullying is the key difference? I would actually say that psychological bullying and social rejection is more detrimental to women because they evolutionarily need the group more than men. After all, there is the male lonewolf archetype that is okay on his own. But that's usually the kind of guy who prefers that path, not thrown into it due to social rejection. The type of guy who can live by himself for a month in a cabin in the woods with only a monthly visit in town to restock supplies (and perhaps the visit to that western saloon for a whiskey and a session with a prostitute.). Actually I do know a 60 year old loner who hates going into the city but every time he does he visits an Asian Massage parlor.
Just a theory, I believe the effect would be the same if women were not in the position of desire by men. Even the lowest tier women would stumble across a man who would desire her, even pay for her. Or the fact that we all know the girls with no female friends but end up becoming accepted by a group of dorky males. I think girls are saved from the path of becoming m internet weirdos or mass shooters, not because female psychological bullying is less detrimental, but rather because women can always find a group of males that would include her in group activities. As such, even the bullied girls are provided a path for social development.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2530261]The hair, the stare, everything look familiar. As for the second one, I thought he was hiding in a grotto, not under some stairs or behind a pillar?[/QUOTE]Every so often the baby troll must come out from under his bridge. Usually he blocks the bridge so no one can cross and claims that all the people come from all over the world because they desire to be him, when it fact, the people just want him to stop blocking the fucking path so they can continue on their journey.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2530280]I m not a medical, but maybe you didn't hear, despite your draws, UK telling their Aztra which is for less than 65, would not be efficient versus south African, when UK, south African and Brazilian already spreading in Western Europe which decided to close borders, even inside, to prevent big spreading of mutants, when original is at home in Europe since a while. Once again, not my decision when I would prefer to go to ski, but EU decision and I trust them about trying to save life. Didn't you also hear about Californian mutant and California which was down under few weeks ago? For my job, I have to listen news daily, to try not to have too big problems.[/QUOTE]What's a "medical"? What's a "draws"?
Don't you know that there like already 5 other approved vaccines besides AZ?
Maybe you don't know that AZ is different than the rest because it is a DNA vaccine, not an mRNA or attenuated live viral vaccine? Maybe you don't know that the AZ study in Africa produced zero cases of severe disease, only mild and moderate symptoms. Maybe you don't know that while AZ vaccine is not the best, it is still good enough to decrease the number of people from becoming hospitalize and dying. Maybe you don't know that South Africa is moving forward with the Johnson and Johnson vaccine because it WAS proven effective in South Africa. Maybe you don't know that JJ, while less efficacious than the Moderna and Pfizer, is more easily stored and can be given in one single dose. Maybe you don't know that JJ vaccine is better suited to be administered in poor countries where they don't have negative 30 see freezers, where the infrastructure and rural areas makes it even more difficult to get people to come back for a second shot? Maybe you don't know that is actually okay because the poorest countries are also the countries with the youngest people so don't need the most potent vaccine.
Didn't you hear that the South African, UK, and California variants also came from places where case number have been decreasing the entire time you have been ranting about the scary mutants?
Watch the news for your job? Hah! It IS my job. While you get your facts from laymen news reporters, it's actually my job to know. And how do I verify the facts? From Infectious Disease doctors who are specialist, much more informed than myself, not by reading a headline meant to be sensational in order to drive more readers and viewers.
And also, it's obvious that you let your personal contempt drive your bias.
At least you're not like the other fringe conspiracy nut jobs who I believe to actually be rooting for the virus and against the vaccine. Twisted people they are.
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Lol
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2530204]
Same thing as saying when you have a blueprint for a bridge, it cannot be ruled out that a double sided dildo would be constructed by accident. You're not technically wrong. But, probability and statistics. And burden of proof.
Still waiting for your DNA alteration source. Autoimmune side effects source?Crickets.[/QUOTE]Monger forums, for whatever reason, are an endless sea of logical fallacies. This just goes to demonstrate that the ability to pay for pussy in no way implies that one is educated and / or honest.
[URL]https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2530184]Small side note. My workplace is easily 70% women. Believe me when I say that bullying in the female world is just as ferocious, perhaps much more, especially bullying of the mental variety....[/QUOTE]Female bosses may not harass you sexually but they can make your work life very difficult. I once refused the advances of a female work mate, then she became my boss and made my work life a living hell.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2530280]I m not a medical, but maybe you didn't hear, despite your draws, UK telling their Aztra which is for less than 65, would not be efficient versus south African, when UK, south African and Brazilian already spreading in Western Europe which decided to close borders, even inside, to prevent big spreading of mutants, when original is at home in Europe since a while. Once again, not my decision when I would prefer to go to ski, but EU decision and I trust them about trying to save life. Didn't you also hear about Californian mutant and California which was down under few weeks ago? For my job, I have to listen news daily, to try not to have too big problems.[/QUOTE]Listening to the proper medical experts and scientists I certainly wouldn't be concerned about receiving the AZ vaccine, in fact living in the UK I'm likely to receive it.
I would much prefer to have it than nothing at all when it's clearly shown to currently stop hospitalizations, serious illness & prevent death with all the current variants.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2530323]Isn't the social rejection the root cause of the psychological issues or do we believe that the physical part of bullying is the key difference? I would actually say that psychological bullying and social rejection is more detrimental to women because they evolutionarily need the group more than men.[/QUOTE]With boys, the victim tends to be permanently excluded from the group. With girls, it is more common for the victim to be friends with her bully. So when she is on good terms with her bully, the opportunities to socialize still exist, until ofc the next falling out occurs.
[QUOTE]Bullying among friends, also known as relational bullying, stems from a natural tendency to develop an identity based on your friends. Young people often join groups defined by who is included or excluded, experts say, but it crosses the line when it becomes a sustained campaign to hurt someone who is not currently "in."
https://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/29/living/bullying-friends/index.html.[/QUOTE][QUOTE]Girls use exclusion as a way to both maintain social status and keep others from obtaining social status. Girls within a friendship group can also exclude their own friends. These alliances within a friendship group can change from week to week and sometimes, day to day. In some cases, a girl may never really know where she stands in her group, and this uncertainty can cause stress and anxiety.
https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/surviving-relational-aggression-tips-for-adults-and-girls-0315174
[/QUOTE]I would agree, compared to boys, girls have a greater need to be part of the group. If a girl gets bullied, she will work harder to gain approval of the friendship group that temporarily banished her, or she will seek out a different friendship group. Boys who are bullied go play in the sandbox by themselves.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2530323]After all, there is the male lonewolf archetype that is okay on his own. But that's usually the kind of guy who prefers that path, not thrown into it due to social rejection. The type of guy who can live by himself for a month in a cabin in the woods with only a monthly visit in town to restock supplies (and perhaps the visit to that western saloon for a whiskey and a session with a prostitute.). Actually I do know a 60 year old loner who hates going into the city but every time he does he visits an Asian Massage parlor.[/QUOTE]Like you say, this archetype probably had friends at one time, and then later on in life made the choice to lead a solitary life. I don't claim to be the most emotional intelligent person in the world, but I can somewhat read social cues. But some guys I have met in the club? They have borderline Aspergers. It seems evident that they have not had many opportunities to socialize.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2530323]Just a theory, I believe the effect would be the same if women were not in the position of desire by men. Even the lowest tier women would stumble across a man who would desire her, even pay for her. Or the fact that we all know the girls with no female friends but end up becoming accepted by a group of dorky males. I think girls are saved from the path of becoming m internet weirdos or mass shooters, not because female psychological bullying is less detrimental, but rather because women can always find a group of males that would include her in group activities. As such, even the bullied girls are provided a path for social development.[/QUOTE]The scenario you paint probably wouldn't materialize until the lower-tier woman reached her teens, after she had already experienced ten years of bullying. But the point is valid, because a socially rejected girl may get boost of self-esteem, and then start making attempts to socialize, undoing some of that early childhood trauma. The socially rejected boy, who does not receive attention from the opposite sex, will see his self-esteem plummet even further during adolescence.
Society and parents play a role as well. A little girl that gets bullied, will be comforted when she runs home crying. She will be encouraged to express her emotional pain. Society expects boys to stand up to their bullies, and not show emotional vulnerability, so boys who get bullied are more likely to hide the fact that they were bullied out of shame. And that emotional pain gets bottled up, and it festers. If a parent sees their ten-year old daughter, sitting in a dark room, playing video games 16 hours a day, that parent will probably intervene. With boys, some parents might find this behavior acceptable.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2530498]With boys, the victim tends to be permanently excluded from the group. With girls, it is more common for the victim to be friends with her bully. So when she is on good terms with her bully, the opportunities to socialize still exist, until ofc the next falling out occurs.
I would agree, compared to boys, girls have a greater need to be part of the group. If a girl gets bullied, she will work harder to gain approval of the friendship group that temporarily banished her, or she will seek out a different friendship group. Boys who are bullied go play in the sandbox by themselves.
Like you say, this archetype probably had friends at one time, and then later on in life made the choice to lead a solitary life. I don't claim to be the most emotional intelligent person in the world, but I can somewhat read social cues. But some guys I have met in the club? They have borderline Aspergers. It seems evident that they have not had many opportunities to socialize.
The scenario you paint probably wouldn't materialize until the lower-tier woman reached her teens, after she had already experienced ten years of bullying. But the point is valid, because a socially rejected girl may get boost of self-esteem, and then start making attempts to socialize, undoing some of that early childhood trauma. The socially rejected boy, who does not receive attention from the opposite sex, will see his self-esteem plummet even further during adolescence.[/QUOTE]I think we have very differing views on female psychology, the sociology behind their relationships, and the way those principals manifest themselves in the group setting.
I think a lot of your points unfortunately dates us as officially old dudes as many scenarios you describe are no longer the reality for today's kids. Today's fathers don't push their sons to have stone hearts anymore. Instead of watching sports on the couch after work, today's father might be taking his kid to a Crossfit class with him and have a low carb smoothie afterwards. It's now socially acceptable to raise an emotionally sensitive boy, it may actually even be encouraged. While parents may be alarmed if their daughters have the same video game habits as boys, they are not as concerned with the girl scrolling on her phone for hours and hours on end. These girls even spend hours playing mobile games themselves on their phones.
In my worldview, I believe that it is easier to read a room full of men or boys to get a sense of the hierarchy, alliances, and any existing tensions. If it were a medieval court, it would be easy to figure out who were the noblemen, who were the knights, and who were the court jesters.
For girls and women, the relationships are much more subtle and definitely more calculating, a Game of Thrones energy really. The scenario of girls being friends with her tormentor is a charade. They're not really friends. If you think about it, I'm sure you can recall many female-female relationships that present as friendships but in realty they are just alliances for either beneficial gain for even sadomasochism as I think females actually enjoy the dramatics of social maneuvering. What's worse, the situation of the girl victim being fake friends with her bully may be even more psychosocially abusive as now she is a social captor likely subjected to the regular barrage of daily passive aggressive interactions, while not full blown conflict. Think the movie "Mean Girls."
We can chalk off this Machiavellian social dynamic as not developing until adolescence, but in recent years I have been surprised by the manipulative behaviors seen in the daughters of my friends. My peer group consists of parents of children from infants to early teens. Let me tell you, the age that scares me the most is the 5-10 year old kids, not the tweens and teenagers. In the 80's and 90's, Junior High was when kids generally divided into groups of cool kids, nerdy kids, dorky kids, rich kids, poor kids, etc. That's sort of when the the manipulative behaviors would arise, the cattiness, the snarkiness, etc.
Today, I think those dynamics arise earlier. The way I see these 8 year old girls manipulate their peers and even adults, it's scary. Extrapolating this to a school environment where kids are free to form their own groups and hierarchies with minimal adult supervision, I can imagine how twisted the social webs of 3rd and 4th grade classes can be. Think "Lord of the Flies".
Thinking back to my days as literally the only Asian-American kid in the American Deep South surrounded by mostly low income blacks and whites whose parents were largely culturally ignorant, I was definitely ostracized regularly. School bus rides home were especially dreaded as that's when the boys really tested each other as a single adult bus driver cannot see what's happening in the back of a 10 meter school bus. But many other boys were bullied by the same handful of asshole kids. As such, I can't recall a situation where there was a boy who literally had no friends or allies at all.
I think that is another key gender difference. With the girls, they are [B]all[/B] capable of being super cunts to each other, that's their game. Boys, on the other hand, usually just have to deal with a handful of assholes that go around trying to make life hell for other kids. A bullied boy is hardly ever the only one.
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[QUOTE=Canary;2530460]Listening to the proper medical experts and scientists I certainly wouldn't be concerned about receiving the AZ vaccine, in fact living in the UK I'm likely to receive it.
I would much prefer to have it than nothing at all when it's clearly shown to currently stop hospitalizations, serious illness & prevent death with all the current variants.[/QUOTE]In France, they give UK AZ to less than 65 and medical. Don't UK plan other injection after AZ? Versus mutants.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2530330]What's a "medical"? What's a "draws"?
Don't you know that there like already 5 other approved vaccines besides AZ?
Maybe you don't know that AZ is different than the rest because it is a DNA vaccine, not an mRNA or attenuated live viral vaccine? Maybe you don't know that the AZ study in Africa produced zero cases of severe disease, only mild and moderate symptoms. Maybe you don't know that while AZ vaccine is not the best, it is still good enough to decrease the number of people from becoming hospitalize and dying. Maybe you don't know that South Africa is moving forward with the Johnson and Johnson vaccine because it WAS proven effective in South Africa. Maybe you don't know that JJ, while less efficacious than the Moderna and Pfizer, is more easily stored and can be given in one single dose. Maybe you don't know that JJ vaccine is better suited to be administered in poor countries where they don't have negative 30 see freezers, where the infrastructure and rural areas makes it even more difficult to get people to come back for a second shot? Maybe you don't know that is actually okay because the poorest countries are also the countries with the youngest people so don't need the most potent vaccine..[/QUOTE]But for real, when only Pfizer and AZ at the moment in EU, waiting for Moderna, I know EU decided to close inside borders because of mutants already spreading and UK are forbidden in Germany or Spain and nothing about brexit. My job being much more complicated now about safety with french administration, can't work now from my car. But never forget Sharks story and for another French with Bob Marley daughter at LR, so can you imagine what I can think about such level of desperate guys writing here, just laughable when I know and saw looks, when no girl can 't say same story about me. I doubt my girls would give much details about our sex.
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If the virus mutants are as harmless as the original sars cov2 was in winter / spring 2020.
(at the peak mid April, 3000 ill people needed a ventilator, Germany easily has 1000 hospitals who are able to handle many covid19 victims, so an average of 3 covid19 victims per hospital, far far away from collapsing).
And government don't start to double up the number of weekly tests in the near future, than the hairdressers are going to open from the 1st of March again. Good news. You know what was the explanation of government for opening the hairdressers?
Because a order, fresh haircut is hygienic!
Maybe Angie and her 16 MP's, plus a few corrupt scientists should take a look in history. As public enemies, people who didn't fit in the system and the Jewish people were sitting in concentration camps. These people had very hygienic haircuts, the whole head was completely shaved.
Hygienic haircuts.
Everybody in Germany with dreadlocks, everybody who knows someone who had dreadlocks once in lifetime, everybody who had or has long hair to make a political statement, everybody who has dry head skin from too much chemical shampoo, get up, stand up!
A bit over 2. 3 million positive test results so far. Close to 2. 1 million are officially recovered. Even without a specific Corona medicine, Germany has a recovery rate of 90.3%. Don't be afraid, just careful.
I don't talk about the death, because the saying goes "rest in peace" not "rest in propaganda".
83.6 million German citizens, 159.300 active cases. Only 0. 19% of the citizens are currently, officially infected.
Warning!
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[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2530626]If the virus mutants are as harmless as the original sars cov2 was in winter / spring 2020.
(at the peak mid April, 3000 ill people needed a ventilator, Germany easily has 1000 hospitals who are able to handle many covid19 victims, so an average of 3 covid19 victims per hospital, far far away from collapsing).
And government don't start to double up the number of weekly tests in the near future, than the hairdressers are going to open from the 1st of March again. Good news. You know what was the explanation of government for opening the hairdressers?
Because a order, fresh haircut is hygienic!
Maybe Angie and her 16 MP's, plus a few corrupt scientists should take a look in history. As public enemies, people who didn't fit in the system and the Jewish people were sitting in concentration camps. These people had very hygienic haircuts, the whole head was completely shaved.
Hygienic haircuts.[/QUOTE]Isn't Germany suffering much more, with much more deaths, since end of 2020 than under first wave 1 year ago? In north of France, more than 20% cases are UK variant and in East of France, very close to Germany, 500 south African and Brazilian cases when nobody was found coming from these countries or close, so I m pretty sure quite same in our German neighbour and don't Germany forbid UK and not EU, when not good for German economy, as also not good for France nor Spain which also forbid UK. And unfortunately, not enough vaccine in EU to protect our weak people, Germany thinking about Russian sputnik. I really wish France will get enough vaccine for at risk people, but even I love Russia, Russian beauties, but wish won t buy sputnik, for Navalnyi, when Russians didn't even try to get French medical administration allowance at the moment. I m afraid 2021 will kill more than 2020 did. EU closing being to try to protect our citizens, when original and mutants were not born in continental EU.
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When I like so much to share about passion, on my sports, even sometimes a bit complicate to communicate with foreigners, but really interesting to share a bit of passion, each one on own level, facing yourself for level, but really enjoyable and even giving new energy. Sometimes meeting while climbing, and climbing together for a while, even not speaking much, not to waste energy, but you hear breathe rhythm and you know. More complicated on extreme free ride, but when sometimes arriving above a blind hidden spot like above Chancel lake la Grave la Meije, impossible to see below, but since 2003, now I know a bit for 2 spots, even never the same, but at least I know the way and for rocks everywhere, so sometimes opening the run for others and keeping on together for a while, feeling so alive after such run, we are all smiling, sharing our sensations, really interesting. When guys in brothels, from their behavior and words about women, like some write here from their porn culture, and when you know about stories for few here and you saw them, so pathetic and laughable compare to what they write, really not interesting level for me, I only drive for girls, but not to find a prostitute girlfriend like some here, when I don't share my girlfriends, but just for easy, fast, with no risk pleasure, when girls may think I'm in love because they are not used to such way with women, but you control all as some say, when I don't look for a girlfriend working in brothels, not even for escort, when I don't need their money, even when I meet for 15 hours on a month, but never proposed anything out of club. Woman image and behavior is just enough for my pleasure, and when you had women in real life, then You know the big difference. I really don't need to make brothels friends, when I don't need to get information about girls nor to ask to find a girl, when I have my eyes and brain to choose. Many followers went to my girls, being disappointed, made me laugh and was happy about that. We are different as say girls, so, they are different with us, and I like when they trust me following my game and return to repeat, when I won't run after to repeat, they know, they can judge, they are free to decide, as sang Dolores O Riordan with Irish Cranberries.
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What you say has absolutely no sense, I think you're suffering from a severe brain infection caused by the coronavirus.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2530552]I think a lot of your points unfortunately dates us as officially old dudes as many scenarios you describe are no longer the reality for today's kids. Today's fathers don't push their sons to have stone hearts anymore. Instead of watching sports on the couch after work, today's father might be taking his kid to a Crossfit class with him and have a low carb smoothie afterwards. It's now socially acceptable to raise an emotionally sensitive boy, it may actually even be encouraged. While parents may be alarmed if their daughters have the same video game habits as boys, they are not as concerned with the girl scrolling on her phone for hours and hours on end. These girls even spend hours playing mobile games themselves on their phones.[/QUOTE]This brand of "woke" parents probably only became more prevalent after 2010. Ultimately, we will not know what type of adults their children become for another two or three decades. Old guys like us grew up with old-school gender norms and less technology. We grew up during an era where there was a stronger sense of community. If you needed your social fix, you had to leave your house and meet up with people, you could not just retreat into a dark room to find community. It is evident that many hardcore mongers, most of which were born between the 1960's and 1980's, missed out on these opportunities to socialize. Many of us lack the social intelligence to read social cues.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2530552]For girls and women, the relationships are much more subtle and definitely more calculating, a Game of Thrones energy really. The scenario of girls being friends with her tormentor is a charade. They're not really friends. If you think about it, I'm sure you can recall many female-female relationships that present as friendships but in realty they are just alliances for either beneficial gain for even sadomasochism as I think females actually enjoy the dramatics of social maneuvering. What's worse, the situation of the girl victim being fake friends with her bully may be even more psychosocially abusive as now she is a social captor likely subjected to the regular barrage of daily passive aggressive interactions, while not full blown conflict. Think the movie "Mean Girls."[/QUOTE]To be clear, I never minimized the emotional trauma that girls face when they are bullied by their "fake-friends". I do believe this type of relational aggression results in more long-term psychological damage than the physical bruises that boys get. My main point is that girls get [B]more practice with socializing[/B] than boys do, and this is true even pre-adolescent, before the opposite sex comes into the picture. If anything, all this social maneuvering that 8 year old girls do only heightens their ability to read social situations and read social cues. Look, I experience this more when interacting with men than women: monopolization of conversations, excessive bragging, not realizing that other party is bored or annoyed, inability to see something from someone else's shoes, etc. That said, I do realize that some people have the social awareness to know that they are turning off their conversational partner, and perhaps just don't care. But I assume most are attempting to connect with their conversational partner, but just have poor social skills. Or maybe I am wrong, and they are just self-centered people looking for someone to hear them complain about life or talk about themselves. In any case, the foundation for strong social skills would have been established in early childhood.
[QUOTE]In human children, studies have found a direct link between the amount of social practice they get and their social skills. In one group of Portuguese pre-schoolers, those who increased their social engagement experienced a corresponding boost to their social abilities, while participating in afterschool activities has been repeatedly shown to help even sport. Meanwhile, children who have more siblings tend to be more adept at navigating the social world, and as with adults, children who spend more time alone are more susceptible to interpreting social situations in self-defeating ways.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20201022-how-solitude-and-isolation-can-change-how-you-think
[/QUOTE]People who lack human relationships also seem to be more prone to obsessions and fantasies. I would guess that many hardcore mongers had other solitary hobbies before coming to this world (other than porn consumption):
[QUOTE]Apart from the inability to form relationships, loners also prefer to stick to familiar routines and are often thrown by slight changes in circumstances. Like Robert, they can be arrogant, overestimating their own abilities. As children, loners tend to have special interests verging on obsessions - coin collecting, train-spotting, electronics - pursued single-mindedly and alone. Others create a fantasy world into which they can periodically withdraw: one child invented an island with its own language, legal and political system. The fantasy began when he was four and persisted into adult life. These obsessions and fantasies seem to replace normal human relationships.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/please-just-leave-me-alone-1584161.html.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2530775]What you say has absolutely no sense, I think you're suffering from a severe brain infection caused by the coronavirus.[/QUOTE]Why is the bigtroll allowed to continuously attack and belittle other members of this forum? That worthless troll should be banned from this site.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2530565]In France, they give UK AZ to less than 65 and medical. Don't UK plan other injection after AZ? Versus mutants.[/QUOTE]UK has enough of the AZ to vaccinate the whole population with plenty spare. AZ won't stop some new mutations giving mild illness but will stop hospitalizations and death. AZ is already revamping the vaccine for mutations which will be available in the Autumn. The UK government is confident that yearly jabs like the flu will be required each year hence it is already planning for it.
The UK is currently also using the Pfizer vaccine and other vaccines are on order, it's one thing the UK government have got right as well as the vaccination programme which has now delivered over 14.5 million vaccinations.
I feel great sympathy for other continents who do not have the resources or financial ability to look after its population. Hopefully the richer countries will help them once they have sorted the problem in their own country.
Unfortunately I think the reopening of FKK venues is still far on the horizon.
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[QUOTE=PumDiPum;2530626]If the virus mutants are as harmless as the original sars cov2 was in winter / spring 2020.
(at the peak mid April, 3000 ill people needed a ventilator, Germany easily has 1000 hospitals who are able to handle many covid19 victims, so an average of 3 covid19 victims per hospital, far far away from collapsing).[/QUOTE]April huh? So that was after travel restrictions and such were placed wasn't it?
Still would love to know how you armchair public health experts explain the situations in Lombardi, Italy and NYC? Was it all just a hoax? Faked and filmed in a basement like the moon landing?
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Flight of ideas and mental health
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2530573]But for real, when only Pfizer and AZ at the moment in EU, waiting for Moderna, I know EU decided to close inside borders because of mutants already spreading and UK are forbidden in Germany or Spain and nothing about brexit. My job being much more complicated now about safety with french administration, can't work now from my car. But never forget Sharks story and for another French with Bob Marley daughter at LR, so can you imagine what I can think about such level of desperate guys writing here, just laughable when I know and saw looks, when no girl can 't say same story about me. I doubt my girls would give much details about our sex.[/QUOTE]Since it's been an ongoing theme is these posts.
[URL]https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007%2F978-1-4419-1698-3_50[/URL]
[QUOTE]Flight of ideas is a formal thought disorder. It refers to the expression of rapidly shifting thoughts in an individual.
Flight of ideas may occur in the course of a manic episode, during a psychosis, but is not uncommon in individuals with an autistic disorder of multiple complex developmental disorder.[/QUOTE]Cues or signs to watch for when assessing mania in bipolar disorder and schizophrenia.
[QUOTE]-[B]Flight of ideas[/B]
-[B]Function on just a few hours of sleep.[/B]
-May experience [B]excessive confidence or grandiosity[/B].
-More talkative than usual
-Very distractible
-Increased energy
-May not use discretion in their actions[/QUOTE]*Disclaimer: I am not a mental health expert. All thoughts expressed are opinions and are intended for entertainment purposes only. Should you feel you are having symptoms, please consult your local mental health professional. If you this is a medical emergency and you are having thoughts of self harm please hang up the phone and dial 911 for immediate assistance (112 in continental Europe).
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2530805]To be clear, I never minimized the emotional trauma that girls face when they are bullied by their "fake-friends". I do believe this type of relational aggression results in more long-term psychological damage than the physical bruises that boys get. My main point is that girls get [B]more practice with socializing[/B] than boys do,
all this social maneuvering that 8 year old girls do only heightens their ability to read social situations and read social cues. [/QUOTE]Agreed.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2530805]Look, I experience this more when interacting with men than women: monopolization of conversations, excessive bragging, not realizing that other party is bored or annoyed, inability to see something from someone else's shoes, etc. That said, I do realize that some people have the social awareness to know that they are turning off their conversational partner, and perhaps just don't care. But I assume most are attempting to connect with their conversational partner, but just have poor social skills. Or maybe I am wrong, and they are just self-centered people looking for someone to hear them complain about life or talk about themselves. [/QUOTE]For many of the most vocal voices here on a message board? Likely the former. Perhaps a voice in the back of the head says to care, but primitive or pathological impulses clouds judgement and prevents such restraint.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2530805]People who lack human relationships also seem to be more prone to obsessions and fantasies. I would guess that many hardcore mongers had other solitary hobbies before coming to this world (other than porn consumption)[/QUOTE]Any association with the tendency to gravitate toward individual rather than team sports? Or even 1 v1 competition for that matter? Say cycling and skiing?
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[QUOTE=Canary;2530838]UK has enough of the AZ to vaccinate the whole population with plenty spare. AZ won't stop some new mutations giving mild illness but will stop hospitalizations and death. AZ is already revamping the vaccine for mutations which will be available in the Autumn. The UK government is confident that yearly jabs like the flu will be required each year hence it is already planning for it.
The UK is currently also using the Pfizer vaccine and other vaccines are on order, it's one thing the UK government have got right as well as the vaccination programme which has now delivered over 14.5 million vaccinations.
I feel great sympathy for other continents who do not have the resources or financial ability to look after its population. Hopefully the richer countries will help them once they have sorted the problem in their own country.
Unfortunately I think the reopening of FKK venues is still far on the horizon.[/QUOTE]Some brothels are open in Spain and Switzerland. I m pretty sure nearly whole Switzerland and Austria should reopen before Summer. I don't know for Germany. Maybe NL before.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2530859]Since it's been an ongoing theme is these posts.
[URL]https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007%2F978-1-4419-1698-3_50[/URL]
Cues or signs to watch for when assessing mania in bipolar disorder and schizophrenia.
*Disclaimer: I am not a mental health expert. All thoughts expressed are opinions and are intended for entertainment purposes only. Should you feel you are having symptoms, please consult your local mental health professional. If you this is a medical emergency and you are having thoughts of self harm please hang up the phone and dial 911 for immediate assistance (112 in continental Europe).[/QUOTE]Stressed by administration which delay my job, but really no need of US medical like you advices, when I remember so laughable at Sharks, for a US medical. Some took credit to buy house in Romania to their brothel GF and her phone didn't work anymore, some bought very expensive watch, or even car, or sending big money, but I heard only once such story and only crazy like her could fuck not only one guy like this.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2530903]Stressed by administration which delay my job, but really no need of US medical like you advices, when I remember so laughable at Sharks, for a US medical. Some took credit to buy house in Romania to their brothel GF and her phone didn't work anymore, some bought very expensive watch, or even car, or sending big money, but I heard only once such story and only crazy like her could fuck not only one guy like this.[/QUOTE]Yep, definitely existing on the manic end of the spectrum right now. Who broke you dude?
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Some gave 10 k-15 k euros to their first flame in a Spanish club for the pimp to buy a new car and got an offer for bareback anal sex in return.
Some count the used condoms in the trash bin when they visit an escort girl.
So many creepy behaviors among addicts.
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Manic
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2530946]Yep, definitely existing on the manic end of the spectrum right now. Who broke you dude?[/QUOTE]Congratulations on reaching over a hundred posts in the pat three weeks. Please tell me the secret to your success.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2530946]Yep, definitely existing on the manic end of the spectrum right now. Who broke you dude?[/QUOTE]You forgot experience at Sharks? I didn't, like for your bald French friend here about well known experience at LR. You both, as my followers, can ask all my girls and none will tell such pathetic stories about me, when I think to be able to keep control a bit more for my brain, maybe too much as say some girls who don t understand from my way to treat them when they are not used to, so, don t give me advice about my behavior, when you are really not on level to be able, and same for other French of course, when I really can't compete for such level of pathetic. When I see guys in brothels, I prefer not to be like most, when I really don t need to follow as obsessed, as told me one of my regular at Bruggen about all what she heard about me from guys, when she could judge on so many times for many years, not even needing my business.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2531068]Congratulations on reaching over a hundred posts in the pat three weeks. Please tell me the secret to your success.[/QUOTE]Taking an interest in psych medicine. Lot of material to work with here! Thanks for your contribution!
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2531077]You forgot experience at Sharks? I didn't, like for your bald French friend here about well known experience at LR. You both, as my followers, can ask all my girls and none will tell such pathetic stories about me, when I think to be able to keep control a bit more for my brain, maybe too much as say some girls who don t understand from my way to treat them when they are not used to, so, don t give me advice about my behavior, when you are really not on level to be able, and same for other French of course, when I really can't compete for such level of pathetic. When I see guys in brothels, I prefer not to be like most, when I really don t need to follow as obsessed, as told me one of my regular at Bruggen about all what she heard about me from guys, when she could judge on so many times for many years, not even needing my business.[/QUOTE]No sir, I did not forget. But seriously, how did you get so broken. Us fans are dying to know!
If pretty much everyone tells you that something is wrong, perhaps you should consider the possibility. Your best allies may be your biggest critics. As such, the first step in fixing your problem, is to first admit that you have a problem.
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Knowing Guys in FKK
I am amazed at how some of you guys know fellow mongers in FKK. I know no one and no one knows me.
I rarely talk to other hobbyists in FKK but in Sharks 2017 I was standing in line for food and the guy behind me said something and we got to talking. He was from my state and was a professional in a field similar to mine but there ended the similarity for we had different tastes in women. He was younger than me and quite handsome. His favorite was a late 20's early 30's Romanian who always sits in the same place. When you enter the club and go left around the bar you come to the manicurist who does the girls' nails. There are some couches there and opposite to the manicurist at the other end is a couch where this girl sits all the time. She's about 5 ' 5¨. From talking to this guy I gathered that in addition to his other attributes he is also quite well off. Yet he generally goes with the lesser looking girls in the club. Because of that I have thought of going with her to find out what he sees in her but never have as I always end up going with a hotter girl.
Anyway I also met him in Sharks in 2018 and 2019. He has never been to Oase, Palace or Mainhatten but some other nondescript clubs in other cities one of which is not even in ISG. In 2019 he made friends with another guy in the club and we hung out. It was fun. We actually spoke of ISG with which he is familiar, he told me he does not post and I told him the same. I will chat with a guy in the FKK but I don't think I will want him to know my ISG personna.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2531068]Congratulations on reaching over a hundred posts in the pat three weeks. Please tell me the secret to your success.[/QUOTE]Meanwhile you have 100 in the past 4. Striking lack of self awareness.
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Same
[QUOTE=Turgid;2531142]I am amazed at how some of you guys know fellow mongers in FKK. I know no one and no one knows me.[/QUOTE]Same here, and that's how I intend to keep it for now. I was able to identify an ISG board member just based on the kind of behaviors he told us he exhibits when visiting a certain club in Spain (that's where I saw him). The member is PayForIt, and he has confirmed that most likely it was him. I've had a wing man just one time in my life, and I swore never again. The guy was a disaster fucking up my action and shit! Never again!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2531126]No sir, I did not forget. But seriously, how did you get so broken. Us fans are dying to know!
If pretty much everyone tells you that something is wrong, perhaps you should consider the possibility. Your best allies may be your biggest critics. As such, the first step in fixing your problem, is to first admit that you have a problem.[/QUOTE]But from you and your Sharks experience, or obsessed follower bald French here with his LR experience and reading all my writings since more than 8 years, even before here, I can't compete yet with you both. I knew Japanese wrote about me on a Japanese blog, reporting I wrote Evita was Asian specialist, wasn't it true she was? I know a US tried my World regular after reading me and was not so enthusiastic than me, but just is problem being just a follower. A US advising me a new beauty at LR, to a bad guy like me, he should really hate this girl who was not new at all, but good surprise for me after 2 mn sitting and chatting with her and enjoying her many times weekly. No story like yours for both, for me, no girl will never tell such stories. When only girls interest me, my test is very simple: on introduction I ask them if they want we go, and after, I wait they return to me, and you saw at crowded GT when you waited for her and when she already asked twice, but returning for third time. Girls are free to decide with who they want to go. Just easy.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2531142]I am amazed at how some of you guys know fellow mongers in FKK. I know no one and no one knows me.
I rarely talk to other hobbyists in FKK but in Sharks 2017 I was standing in line for food and the guy behind me said something and we got to talking. He was from my state and was a professional in a field similar to mine but there ended the similarity for we had different tastes in women. He was younger than me and quite handsome. His favorite was a late 20's early 30's Romanian who always sits in the same place. When you enter the club and go left around the bar you come to the manicurist who does the girls' nails. There are some couches there and opposite to the manicurist at the other end is a couch where this girl sits all the time. She's about 5 ' 5. From talking to this guy I gathered that in addition to his other attributes he is also quite well off. Yet he generally goes with the lesser looking girls in the club. Because of that I have thought of going with her to find out what he sees in her but never have as I always end up going with a hotter girl.
Anyway I also met him in Sharks in 2018 and 2019. He has never been to Oase, Palace or Mainhatten but some other nondescript clubs in other cities one of which is not even in ISG. In 2019 he made friends with another guy in the club and we hung out. It was fun. We actually spoke of ISG with which he is familiar, he told me he does not post and I told him the same. I will chat with a guy in the FKK but I don't think I will want him to know my ISG personna.[/QUOTE]My advice and you are right: don't speak with guys in brothels, not the place to make what I call friends, but for sure place for jealousy and bullshits. I always thought brothels worth to find enjoyable girls, not to go for gay party.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2531125]Taking an interest in psych medicine. Lot of material to work with here! Thanks for your contribution![/QUOTE]If you open a practice, with all the basketcases from here, you'll be rich very soon.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2531028]Some gave 10 k-15 k euros to their first flame in a Spanish club for the pimp to buy a new car and got an offer for bareback anal sex in return.
Some count the used condoms in the trash bin when they visit an escort girl.
So many creepy behaviors among addicts.[/QUOTE]Speaking of addicts and creepy behavior, I've noticed that you got over 1600 posts on this site. But it seems to me that you've forgotten the purpose of this site.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2531125]Taking an interest in psych medicine. Lot of material to work with here! Thanks for your contribution![/QUOTE]You never considered getting an actual life instead of trolling this site? It seems to me that you haven't understood the real purpose of this forum.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2531178]But from you and your Sharks experience, or obsessed follower bald French here with his LR experience and reading all my writings since more than 8 years, even before here, I can't compete yet with you both. I knew Japanese wrote about me on a Japanese blog, reporting I wrote Evita was Asian specialist, wasn't it true she was? I know a US tried my World regular after reading me and was not so enthusiastic than me, but just is problem being just a follower. A US advising me a new beauty at LR, to a bad guy like me, he should really hate this girl who was not new at all, but good surprise for me after 2 mn sitting and chatting with her and enjoying her many times weekly. No story like yours for both, for me, no girl will never tell such stories. When only girls interest me, my test is very simple: on introduction I ask them if they want we go, and after, I wait they return to me, and you saw at crowded GT when you waited for her and when she already asked twice, but returning for third time. Girls are free to decide with who they want to go. Just easy.[/QUOTE]You talking about the time I got a hooker pregnant? Yeah, I'm still pretty proud of that. Thanks!
Meanwhile, mental health illness is for real:
Flight of ideas.
-Function on just a few hours of sleep.
-May experience excessive confidence or grandiosity.
-More talkative than usual.
-Very distractible.
-Increased energy.
-May not use discretion in their actions.
Manic or bad English. Hard to differentiate.
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Do the guys who are so much against making acquaintances in clubs have any real life relationships anyway?
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2531230]You never considered getting an actual life instead of trolling this site? It seems to me that you haven't understood the real purpose of this forum.[/QUOTE]Nope, hear just for you big guy. I love you.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2531183]My advice and you are right: don't speak with guys in brothels, not the place to make what I call friends, but for sure place for jealousy and bullshits. I always thought brothels worth to find enjoyable girls, not to go for gay party.[/QUOTE]But here you are, posting with a bunch of dudes who you deem not worthy of friendship, in a German FKK board, when no FKK's are in Germany are open. Nope, the math doesn't quite add up.
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2531157] I was able to identify an ISG board member just based on the kind of behaviors he told us ... I've had a wing man just one time in my life, and I swore never again. [/QUOTE]I didn't recognize guys from ISG, but I recognized several guys posting on the Swiss forum 6 profi based on their reports. Funny how big the difference was between how they were describing themselves and how they looked in real life. Especially one guy who was claiming to be this sex connaisseur, the dream of all the prostitutes, was in reality under 1.70 m, bigfoot hairy, huge belly. I will never forget the disgusted look a prostitute had when she was massaging his furry back.
I went a few times to FKKs together with the guy who introduced me to them. While we otherwise get along really well, it just wasn't working with regards FKKs. We had completely different rhythms in the club, he was deciding very fast and was doing only one or two 30 minutes rooms, then he would have to rush home because of his family. I must admit that it was very helpful to have a wingman the first visits.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2531150]Meanwhile you have 100 in the past 4. Striking lack of self awareness.[/QUOTE]It's different with shoe troll, it's a consequence of his coprolalia, coupled with his far right wing tendencies. The poor bloke is so fucked up that he can't control anything.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2531150]Meanwhile you have 100 in the past 4. Striking lack of self awareness.[/QUOTE]Actually I've had around 75 posts in the last four weeks, 100 in the last five weeks. You can't even get simple facts right. If you had any self awareness you'd have realized that you're a stupid.
Anyways, so you're saying that you needed two weeks less than me to reach over a hundred posts. It's rather pathetic that you have to resort to whataboutism. What don't you just get a life instead?
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2531192]If you open a practice, with all the basketcases from here, you'll be rich very soon.[/QUOTE]Hey, as you mentioned that I recalled a guy who used to post here many years ago called Basketcase. I wonder what became of him.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2531313]I didn't recognize guys from ISG, but I recognized several guys posting on the Swiss forum 6 profi based on their reports. Funny how big the difference was between how they were describing themselves and how they looked in real life. Especially one guy who was claiming to be this sex connaisseur, the dream of all the prostitutes, was in reality under 1.70 m, bigfoot hairy, huge belly. I will never forget the disgusted look a prostitute had when she was massaging his furry back.
I went a few times to FKKs together with the guy who introduced me to them. While we otherwise get along really well, it just wasn't working with regards FKKs. We had completely different rhythms in the club, he was deciding very fast and was doing only one or two 30 minutes rooms, then he would have to rush home because of his family. I must admit that it was very helpful to have a wingman the first visits.[/QUOTE]You are right, when you want to meet a no pro escort for the first time they will always ask a picture from you and to have a phone call prior to the date. The girls know how much the guys are cheating, the girls are cheating to earn money the guys are cheating I don't know for what reason.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2531379]Hey, as you mentioned that I recalled a guy who used to post here many years ago called Basketcase. I wonder what became of him.[/QUOTE]I think he's still living under a few different nicknames.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2531259]Do the guys who are so much against making acquaintances in clubs have any real life relationships anyway?[/QUOTE]Define real life. Define reality. Define life. Define definition.
As for wingmen, it's really complicated to have the same agenda and the same favorite places so I never took a full trip with another guy but every time I come, I try to meet a Belgian guy who has been my friend for many years and there are some other guys from the French board that I always meet with pleasure. I just try to stay clear of the weirdos, I don't want to be associated with them in one way or another, but they are easy to spot. They look like crackheads or sexual harassers: same repetitive behavior, wandering erratically in the club, staring at everyone in a very uncomfortable way.
Luckily sometimes the management takes measures against them and bye bye!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2531258]You talking about the time I got a hooker pregnant? Yeah, I'm still pretty proud of that. Thanks!
Meanwhile, mental health illness is for real:
Flight of ideas.
-Function on just a few hours of sleep.
-May experience excessive confidence or grandiosity.
-More talkative than usual.
-Very distractible.
-Increased energy.
-May not use discretion in their actions.
Manic or bad English. Hard to differentiate.[/QUOTE]For sure, you have to be proud, when you knew you were not even the only one she played with, when she really became crazy, and you did believe her bullshits. And I forgot who you asked at LR for a girl on beginning of 2018, the one of your French bald friend here, because I understood you were both into not safe girls for risky sex. I m pretty sure no other here visited so many times per year than me, and no pride nor competition about this, but never caught bad thing from any girl, nor same pathetic stories of course for me. We really don't have same values for life. I will stay on my own values.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2531313]I didn't recognize guys from ISG, but I recognized several guys posting on the Swiss forum 6 profi based on their reports. Funny how big the difference was between how they were describing themselves and how they looked in real life. Especially one guy who was claiming to be this sex connaisseur, the dream of all the prostitutes, was in reality under 1.70 m, bigfoot hairy, huge belly. I will never forget the disgusted look a prostitute had when she was massaging his furry back.
I went a few times to FKKs together with the guy who introduced me to them. While we otherwise get along really well, it just wasn't working with regards FKKs. We had completely different rhythms in the club, he was deciding very fast and was doing only one or two 30 minutes rooms, then he would have to rush home because of his family. I must admit that it was very helpful to have a wingman the first visits.[/QUOTE]But, even at Globe, girls can decide, so I don't understand why a girl goes with a guy if she is disgusted, if she goes and as long he doesn't force her, this is her decision to be ready for anything for money. Unfortunately, many girls are ready for nearly everything for money. Image I have of girls, depend on what I see and I usually don't go with girls I see on public exhibition, not exciting for me, prostitute more than woman image for me.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2531281]But here you are, posting with a bunch of dudes who you deem not worthy of friendship, in a German FKK board, when no FKK's are in Germany are open. Nope, the math doesn't quite add up.[/QUOTE]Exchanging opinions here, if you tell me you prefer small blond and I prefer tall brunette, is no problem and can even be interesting to have different opinions, most feeling more confident with average looks, thinking they will do better for them, when I'm more excited and motivated by princess behavior beauties who are closer to real life for me, but nothing about friendship for me, but if you look for friends in brothels, just keep on, no problem for me, but I really don't need brothels friends, I much prefer to make friends in my sports where guys are much more interesting for me and I met 3 girlfriends making 14 years of my life at work with 2 last who came to me, wishing for a new life. But I never and don't try to find a prostitute for girlfriend, I never proposed to any girl to meet out of club, and I always avoided to answer when was proposed, not my image for a girlfriend. In brothels, I much prefer to focus on girls, when usually hard job for me to find a attractive one for me, I don't go to find friends, even too many guys need to come to talk to me and even except with few French and a German, I try to stay polite as I was at LR, even giving advice, when I never ask for advice about girls, I'm able to choose on my own.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2531142]I am amazed at how some of you guys know fellow mongers in FKK. I know no one and no one knows me.
I rarely talk to other hobbyists in FKK but in Sharks 2017 I was standing in line for food and the guy behind me said something and we got to talking. He was from my state and was a professional in a field similar to mine but there ended the similarity for we had different tastes in women. He was younger than me and quite handsome. His favorite was a late 20's early 30's Romanian who always sits in the same place. When you enter the club and go left around the bar you come to the manicurist who does the girls' nails. There are some couches there and opposite to the manicurist at the other end is a couch where this girl sits all the time. She's about 5 ' 5. From talking to this guy I gathered that in addition to his other attributes he is also quite well off. Yet he generally goes with the lesser looking girls in the club. Because of that I have thought of going with her to find out what he sees in her but never have as I always end up going with a hotter girl.
Anyway I also met him in Sharks in 2018 and 2019. He has never been to Oase, Palace or Mainhatten but some other nondescript clubs in other cities one of which is not even in ISG. In 2019 he made friends with another guy in the club and we hung out. It was fun. We actually spoke of ISG with which he is familiar, he told me he does not post and I told him the same. I will chat with a guy in the FKK but I don't think I will want him to know my ISG personna.[/QUOTE]Once in Sharks a very prolific ISG poster came up to me and introduced himself with his ISG name and asked me about a girl I had been with. He was a very polite and pleasant older guy and we had a brief chat before he went with a girl to a room. However, I also don't tend to talk to guys in clubs, but sometimes you meet funny characters and you end up exchanging a few words with them. Like the bold smiley German guy in his 50's from Sharks, who is very tactile and always hugs girls when they approach him. I find him very funny and we had some banter a few times.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2531464]But, even at Globe, girls can decide, so I don't understand why a girl goes with a guy if she is disgusted, if she goes and as long he doesn't force her, this is her decision to be ready for anything for money. Unfortunately, many girls are ready for nearly everything for money. Image I have of girls, depend on what I see and I usually don't go with girls I see on public exhibition, not exciting for me, prostitute more than woman image for me.[/QUOTE]Of course they are ready for everything to get money, even play with shit in the room (explains sometimes the terrible smell), they need to feed their BF and most of them have very low self esteem.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2531464]But, even at Globe, girls can decide, so I don't understand why a girl goes with a guy if she is disgusted, if she goes and as long he doesn't force her, this is her decision to be ready for anything for money. Unfortunately, many girls are ready for nearly everything for money. Image I have of girls, depend on what I see and I usually don't go with girls I see on public exhibition, not exciting for me, prostitute more than woman image for me.[/QUOTE]Once a girl from Globe told me they cannot reject customers 'too frequently' otherwise they get kicked out.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2531477]Once a girl from Globe told me they cannot reject customers 'too frequently' otherwise they get kicked out.[/QUOTE]When I feel a girl doesn't welcome me, I won't insist when some obsessed followers here tell I harass girls but for real facts none never took me to any desk to complain, but many returning to repeat. If girls are able to switch off brain for everything for money, but I m not used to this, I would not know what to do with a girl if I felt she is not fine with me, few were not good for sex and I preferred to stop room not finishing when they asked me to stay to finish, but none never made me feel uncomfortable from her reactions, fortunately for me because it would kill my mood for the day, maybe returning to Paris.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2531314]It's different with shoe troll, it's a consequence of his coprolalia, coupled with his far right wing tendencies. The poor bloke is so fucked up that he can't control anything.[/QUOTE]You should read your own posts, over 1600 posts and basically all of them are derogatory comments about other members on this site. You should go see a shrink and get some really strong pills subscribed. Just remember to take them.
The bigtroll is a great example of serious mental health issues.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2531477]Once a girl from Globe told me they cannot reject customers 'too frequently' otherwise they get kicked out.[/QUOTE]I was never rejected by any prostitute, yes of course in all the FKK the girls can t be too selective and also in Globe they have to work 12 hours per day and do anal sex. Most of the girls who tried Globe hated that place and left very fast.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2531453]For sure, you have to be proud, when you knew you were not even the only one she played with, when she really became crazy, and you did believe her bullshits. And I forgot who you asked at LR for a girl on beginning of 2018, the one of your French bald friend here, because I understood you were both into not safe girls for risky sex. I m pretty sure no other here visited so many times per year than me, and no pride nor competition about this, but never caught bad thing from any girl, nor same pathetic stories of course for me. We really don't have same values for life. I will stay on my own values.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I don't lie to myself. Probably the most important value.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2531467]Exchanging opinions here, if you tell me you prefer small blond and I prefer tall brunette, is no problem and can even be interesting to have different opinions, most feeling more confident with average looks, thinking they will do better for them, when I'm more excited and motivated by princess behavior beauties who are closer to real life for me, but nothing about friendship for me, but if you look for friends in brothels, just keep on, no problem for me, but I really don't need brothels friends, I much prefer to make friends in my sports where guys are much more interesting for me and I met 3 girlfriends making 14 years of my life at work with 2 last who came to me, wishing for a new life. But I never and don't try to find a prostitute for girlfriend, I never proposed to any girl to meet out of club, and I always avoided to answer when was proposed, not my image for a girlfriend. In brothels, I much prefer to focus on girls, when usually hard job for me to find a attractive one for me, I don't go to find friends, even too many guys need to come to talk to me and even except with few French and a German, I try to stay polite as I was at LR, even giving advice, when I never ask for advice about girls, I'm able to choose on my own.[/QUOTE]So that's your point of pride? Another monger asks for your opinion about a hooker? Man, you must really be reaching for validation. That's pretty sad little bro.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2531524]... also in Globe they have to work 12 hours per day and do anal sex. Most of the girls who tried Globe hated that place and left very fast.[/QUOTE]Regarding working hours Globe is a very tough place for the girls. Pre-Covid, the new girls were told only in the evening after 9 or 10 pm, if they work the next day and at what time they start. That is tough. Girls who have been in Globe longer would have the working days agreed upon, but would know the start time for the next day as well just in the evening.
Most definitely the girls don't have to offer anal or any other extra (eg CIM). Standard service is DFK, BBBJ and covered sex. Everything else is at the discretion of the girl.
It's not surprising that girls who didn't or couldn't stick around longer hated the place. I wonder how many of these girls left on their own or were kicked out. Especially before 2018 or so, there was a long waiting list for girls who wanted a tryout in Globe since the earning potential was higher.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2531524]I was never rejected by any prostitute, yes of course in all the FKK the girls can t be too selective and also in Globe they have to work 12 hours per day and do anal sex. Most of the girls who tried Globe hated that place and left very fast.[/QUOTE]Globe don't ask girls to provide anal and pretty sure not even CIM. Visited many times and not far from 15 visits on last year, had regulars and when CIM is for 100 and anal for 200, I was never proposed. When I went to Globe for exceptional Romanian Katalina discovered and real wow at Sharks, but Globe became the worst club for Romanians for a Romanian lover like me, spending my last Summer with new German superstar ex Artemis, when enjoying Romanian beauties at Amesia, or Freubad, or Zeus. Globe girls know how to show if they are welcoming or not, princess attitude as said, but I don't agree, not princess behavior which means for me elegance and charm, when real lack of elegance and charm now, but many silicon and average faces, for 140/30 out of extra.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2531524]I was never rejected by any prostitute...[/QUOTE]What a surprise!
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2531477]Once a girl from Globe told me they cannot reject customers 'too frequently' otherwise they get kicked out.[/QUOTE]How did she define "too frequently" ?
This kinda contradicts the posts from all the people complaining about the Globe "princesses" who reject everybody while waiting for their whales.
Before I was a regular, I can remember only one girl completely ignoring me when I tried to talk to her. That was at the time Micky, who came back years later as Olivia when she was much less choosy.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2531724]How did she define "too frequently" ?
This kinda contradicts the posts from all the people complaining about the Globe "princesses" who reject everybody while waiting for their whales.
Before I was a regular, I can remember only one girl completely ignoring me when I tried to talk to her. That was at the time Micky, who came back years later as Olivia when she was much less choosy.[/QUOTE]She didn't say how frequently she could reject, but she was comparing the policy at Globe with her previous club in Germany and she said that, while in the German club she could reject guys as much as she wanted, in Globe this isn't really possible. Unless the monger was visibly drunk / high or rude, she kinda had to go with him. I guess this behaviour is difficult to verify unless the mongers report it to the front desk.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2531314]It's different with shoe troll, it's a consequence of his coprolalia, coupled with his far right wing tendencies. The poor bloke is so fucked up that he can't control anything.[/QUOTE]The biggest thing he can't control is the fact that he isn't an American, though he pretended to be one here for a long time, acting as if he had some say in our politics while dingleberry farming up Trump's butt. Yet he's stuck in his basement in Sweden. We don't want him.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2531572]Yeah, I don't lie to myself. Probably the most important value.[/QUOTE]Ask all your FKK or forum friends here, do you know them for real? Did you ever see their look? If they ever heard same stories than pathetic at Sharks or LR, about me? Even from very angry girls? I'm pretty sure one would have been proud if I returned with her, even she was the busiest, but I never felt again the magic I need to enjoy sex. I know you had a FKK friend and how is it now? Really not the place for friends and I'm so sure about this. Also better to find a normal woman to build something good like a baby.
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Germany now thinking to close border with cousin Austria. If Bavarian become after Angela, not sure he will be good for brothels.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2531467]Exchanging opinions here, if you tell me you prefer small blond and I prefer tall brunette, is no problem and can even be interesting to have different opinions,
I try to stay polite as I was at LR, even giving advice, when I never ask for advice about girls, I'm able to choose on my own.
I don't go to find friends, even too many guys need to come to talk to me and even except with few French and a German.[/QUOTE]How absurd. First states that exchanging opinions on the forum is okay but then criticizes someone for asking about their opinion when actually inside a club where you can actually see and point out the girls. The disconnect in thought process is glaring.
Another strange behavior is for someone who thinks he is above others, who advocates against making friendships in sex clubs, is to wait in the locker room 15 minutes after the club is closed, already fully dressed in street clothes, waiting for another monger to finish the last room of the night in order to chat with the monger about the room with a WG he "refused."
Recap: states that making friends in sex clubs is gay, states he did not want to go to a room with a WG at GT, intentionally waits in GT locker room after the club is closed to check if a monger had a good room with a WG he refused. Obsession with the WG or the monger, I'm not sure. Maybe you just have a Cuckhold fetish?
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2531842]Ask all your FKK or forum friends here, do you know them for real? Did you ever see their look? If they ever heard same stories than pathetic at Sharks or LR, about me? Even from very angry girls? I'm pretty sure one would have been proud if I returned with her, even she was the busiest, but I never felt again the magic I need to enjoy sex. I know you had a FKK friend and how is it now? Really not the place for friends and I'm so sure about this. Also better to find a normal woman to build something good like a baby.[/QUOTE]I did. I've met quite a few. They all think you're annoying ass fuck.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2531835]The biggest thing he can't control is the fact that he isn't an American, though he pretended to be one here for a long time, acting as if he had some say in our politics while dingleberry farming up Trump's butt. Yet he's stuck in his basement in Sweden. We don't want him.[/QUOTE]This is really not polite to decline a gift. Take it as a present from the European union. We're sending you a few samples.
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Is it a sign of politeness when you constantly badmouth young women, saying that they're ready to be fucked by anyone for money, that they're not normal women, that some of them are ugly GND you wouldn't fuck for free, saying that they're not nobel awards, that they didn't worked enough in school, and so on?
And when you do the same thing with the other guys (old fat hairy ugly monkeys) , and with the management (they didn't let me play with the remote control)?
I thought it was a sign of complete rudeness, disrespect and an obvious lack of education.
And of course if you do it only on the internet and in an obsessive way, mumbling about things that happened 3 years ago or more, it's a sign of cowardice and of a deeply troubled mind.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2531813]She didn't say how frequently she could reject, but she was comparing the policy at Globe with her previous club in Germany and she said that, while in the German club she could reject guys as much as she wanted, in Globe this isn't really possible. Unless the monger was visibly drunk / high or rude, she kinda had to go with him. I guess this behaviour is difficult to verify unless the mongers report it to the front desk.[/QUOTE]Yes it's tough for new girls. They have to avoid reclamations. There used to be guys who would try to use this to their advantage, either to put pressure on girls or trying to get a free entrance when complaining at the reception.
Established girls are protected by Globe management, up to mongers getting banned.
I wonder how things will be once the FKKs really reopen, let's say after most people are vaccinated.
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[QUOTE=Downandup;2531988]Here we go again. Look no one knows for now, it's still a waiting game.
At least Germany has decided some targets to open up when the number of cases drop, it looks as if when cases drop to 35 per 100,000 then they will start to open schools, then if the cases don't rise after two weeks then the distancing rules will be relaxed. After another two weeks if the cases are still below that number then restaurants and hotels, group sports will be allowed. That's all that has been said so far. Look at Easter as the earliest possible date but don't count on it and certainly don't book a trip.[/QUOTE]Well don't forget that there is a lot of political pressure in Germany to continuously lower those "targets" (the so-called "Inzidenzwert" I. E. The "Incident value" of infections per 100 k inhabitants over the past 7 days) in Germany. Initially it was 50 infections per 100 k, and now they have moved to goalpost to 35 infections per 100 k.
An example is Karl Lauterbach from the German Socialist party, advocating for an "unlimited lockdown:" [URL]https://www.sueddeutsche.de/gesundheit/coronavirus-rki-1.5158990[/URL].
Lauterbach also wants to lower the Inzidenzwert to "below 25" : [URL]https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/corona-impfungen-lockdown-lauterbach-100.html[/URL].
With these continuously moving goalposts which make it more difficult to relax the lockdown, and the complete lack (read: chaos) of a credible vaccinating time table in Germany, I wouldn't be too certain that German FKK clubs will open this year.
The German brainwashing media is already preparing the public for "mutations," a 'lack of efficacy of the vaccine against these mutations,' and a "3rd wave" in the autumn.
I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but my prediction is that by February 2022, we'll be in more or less the EXACT same situation as we are this year simply because Corona viruses always mutate, and the "vaccine" is a complete joke that has been thrown together in a few months without enough testing. Some bars, gyms and restaurants might open in the summer of this year, but forget about FKK clubs. Even if some clubs are allowed to reopen, line-up will be extremely poor and there will be ridiculous rules about having to wear face diapers and social distancing in a brothel! / sarc.
P.S. So far my predictions have been reasonably good; I predicted last year that the re-openings during summer 2020 would be very short-lived, and I predicted that the "vaccine strategy" would be a complete mess with mutations destroying it's efficacy. The long term side effects of those mRNA "vaccines" are anyone's guess because they skipped the long term tests and the politicians went for an emergency rollout.
Ursula von der Leyen (another German, and another Angela Merkel protege) has finally admitted that the Covid vaccine rollout is a complete mess: [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/10/ursula-von-der-leyen-admits-errors-in-eu-covid-vaccine-rollout[/URL].
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2531870]How absurd. First states that exchanging opinions on the forum is okay but then criticizes someone for asking about their opinion when actually inside a club where you can actually see and point out the girls. The disconnect in thought process is glaring.
Another strange behavior is for someone who thinks he is above others, who advocates against making friendships in sex clubs, is to wait in the locker room 15 minutes after the club is closed, already fully dressed in street clothes, waiting for another monger to finish the last room of the night in order to chat with the monger about the room with a WG he "refused."
Recap: states that making friends in sex clubs is gay, states he did not want to go to a room with a WG at GT, intentionally waits in GT locker room after the club is closed to check if a monger had a good room with a WG he refused. Obsession with the WG or the monger, I'm not sure. Maybe you just have a Cuckhold fetish?[/QUOTE]Ha! We finally agree on something! LOL!
When you carefully read, or better, managed somehow to decipher his posts, he actually writes very little actually useful information, because that's how creepy and possessive stalkers operate. He thinks that he is some sort of a Cassanova, and all other customers and forum users are unworthy of 'his' girls.
About 4-5 years ago, I met a very nice Asian-American customer, ended up chatting with him for a while in Sharks (it was a very busy weekend with long waiting times, so we decided to take a break and chat about the WGs) and at one point he introduced me to the French clown whom he knew. And yes, he was hovering around near the entrance area in front of the staircase.
I remember a forum member by the name of Hessen Bub, who also looked straight through the complete bullshit stories of the French "mountain climber," his phantasy stories of driving 'his Porsche (read: some crappy mediocre French car) with 200 km / h on the German Autobahn,' and other James Bond 'extraordinaire' adventures.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2531326]Actually I've had around 75 posts in the last four weeks, 100 in the last five weeks. You can't even get simple facts right. If you had any self awareness you'd have realized that you're a stupid.
Anyways, so you're saying that you needed two weeks less than me to reach over a hundred posts. It's rather pathetic that you have to resort to whataboutism. What don't you just get a life instead?[/QUOTE]Don't you understand the term, whataboutism. Try again.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2532052]I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but my prediction is that by February 2022, we'll be in more or less the EXACT same situation as we are this year simply because Corona viruses always mutate, and the "vaccine" is a complete joke that has been thrown together in a few months without enough testing. Some bars, gyms and restaurants might open in the summer of this year, but forget about FKK clubs. Even if some clubs are allowed to reopen, line-up will be extremely poor and there will be ridiculous rules about having to wear face diapers and social distancing in a brothel! / sarc.[/QUOTE]Saving post and prediction for time capsule safekeeping.
Along similar lines, cases in Germany down to October levels and deaths down to Pre-Christmas levels despite vaccine naysayers reaching with scary mutant talks.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2532103]Don't you understand the term, whataboutism. Try again.[/QUOTE]Why don't you admit that you were wrong about me having 100 posts in the last four weeks?
Unlike you I actually know what whataboutism is.
You're wrong all the time.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2531968]This is really not polite to decline a gift. Take it as a present from the European union. We're sending you a few samples.[/QUOTE]You could start with returning the money you stole from me and other taxpayers in Sweden.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2532117]Saving post and prediction for time capsule safekeeping.
Along similar lines, cases in Germany down to October levels and deaths down to Pre-Christmas levels despite vaccine naysayers reaching with scary mutant talks.[/QUOTE]I cannot say what is going to happen in Deutschland this year and next. Actually, I cannot say what's going to happen anywhere for that matter. BUT. My guess is that American mongers will be ready to board das flugzeug to hop across the pond by das Oktoberfest. What is my reasoning? A convergence of vaccines and herd immunity. The American schools are finally starting to send their kids back into the classrooms, vaccine or not. What do you think is going to happen to all those parents? They are going to get the virus and not bother to get tested or report anything. Meanwhile, 65+ grandma and grandpa are all getting the vaccine. Mongers are dripping in geld here and itching to spend it in FKK. So das ist mein prediction: probably not even worth two cents LOL. Prost!
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2532125]Why don't you admit that you were wrong about me having 100 posts in the last four weeks?
Unlike you I actually know what whataboutism is.
You're wrong all the time.[/QUOTE]Yes if you want to measure your self worth with posts counts I guess you're free to do so. 100 posts in 33 days versus 28 days, I suppose I was wrong. Is that really the sword you're going to fall on? Strange and trivial indeed.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2532103]Don't you understand the term, whataboutism. Try again.[/QUOTE]Yes you're totally wrong. He had 100 posts in 4 weeks and 5 days. The 5 days make all the difference.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2531870]How absurd. First states that exchanging opinions on the forum is okay but then criticizes someone for asking about their opinion when actually inside a club where you can actually see and point out the girls. The disconnect in thought process is glaring.
Another strange behavior is for someone who thinks he is above others, who advocates against making friendships in sex clubs, is to wait in the locker room 15 minutes after the club is closed, already fully dressed in street clothes, waiting for another monger to finish the last room of the night in order to chat with the monger about the room with a WG he "refused."
Recap: states that making friends in sex clubs is gay, states he did not want to go to a room with a WG at GT, intentionally waits in GT locker room after the club is closed to check if a monger had a good room with a WG he refused. Obsession with the WG or the monger, I'm not sure. Maybe you just have a Cuckhold fetish?[/QUOTE]When she went to me on 3 times on this evening, when I didn't want to go with her even she behave lovely, when I saw you waiting for hours for her, in couch close to entry, so I just wanted to know if your long waiting did worth for you, when you told me on previous night when we met on first time, your now French bald friend here girl was disappointment, but I agree with you, my mistake to care if you had better time than on previous night, I wish I didn't scare you too much at 2 am, at least I know she was not scared about me when she returned to me later at Velbert or Gold, and just confirm for me, according to our French expression: better to stay single than with bad companionship, and very adapted to brothels in my opinion. I m only interested, when I drive from far, by girls, I even advice guys to avoid a bad guy like me.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2532095]Ha! We finally agree on something! LOL!
When you carefully read, or better, managed somehow to decipher his posts, he actually writes very little actually useful information, because that's how creepy and possessive stalkers operate. He thinks that he is some sort of a Cassanova, and all other customers and forum users are unworthy of 'his' girls.
About 4-5 years ago, I met a very nice Asian-American customer, ended up chatting with him for a while in Sharks (it was a very busy weekend with long waiting times, so we decided to take a break and chat about the WGs) and at one point he introduced me to the French clown whom he knew. And yes, he was hovering around near the entrance area in front of the staircase.
I remember a forum member by the name of Hessen Bub, who also looked straight through the complete bullshit stories of the French "mountain climber," his phantasy stories of driving 'his Porsche (read: some crappy mediocre French car) with 200 km / h on the German Autobahn,' and other James Bond 'extraordinaire' adventures.[/QUOTE]I remember HB also on lustcout, who needed to ask the clown about Hessen legend Katalina, when clown never needed to ask him about any girl, even he is German. Unfortunately, can't have Neo 66 or bicycle in 911 turbo 4's, but clown loves so much to clean German autobahns with his crappy German Audi with skis and bicycle inside, and with red nose Audi, cars usually move fast to right line when seeing arriving fast in back, much faster than only 200, when 200 is only 4000 tours per minute for engine, to see passing the clown. I miss to push to grip limit and better to have a compact and not too heavy car, just matter of dynamic versus inerty, in Germany, even nothing for sensations compare to going downhill on bicycle at 70 km / h, or downhill on skis close to 100 km / h.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2532117]Saving post and prediction for time capsule safekeeping.
Along similar lines, cases in Germany down to October levels and deaths down to Pre-Christmas levels despite vaccine naysayers reaching with scary mutant talks.[/QUOTE]Figures in Germany make them thinking to close border with cousin Austria which is the closest for culture to Germany, or thinking to buy Sputnik when EU don't allow sputnik, so, must not be so good figures in Germany according to Germans who decide there, when under very strict lockdown with schools closed since 2 months. I think Germans are those who know the most how to protect their safety and we see their decisions inside EU.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2532008]Yes it's tough for new girls. They have to avoid reclamations. There used to be guys who would try to use this to their advantage, either to put pressure on girls or trying to get a free entrance when complaining at the reception.
Established girls are protected by Globe management, up to mongers getting banned.
I wonder how things will be once the FKKs really reopen, let's say after most people are vaccinated.[/QUOTE]I knew many girls arriving from Germany to Globe which don't seem so difficult for them when they get business, then usually, they will stay at Globe, like Megan since April 2017 . Globe seem difficult for girls when they don't get much business.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2532167]Yes you're totally wrong. He had 100 posts in 4 weeks and 5 days. The 5 days make all the difference.[/QUOTE]I've noticed that you don't care much about facts, it's like when you claimed that Sweden had a lockdown because the museums were closed. LMFAO.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2532147]Yes if you want to measure your self worth with posts counts I guess you're free to do so. 100 posts in 33 days versus 28 days, I suppose I was wrong. Is that really the sword you're going to fall on? Strange and trivial indeed.[/QUOTE]You're wrong and I'm right. I'm curious as to why you lied / couldn't get such a simple fact right from the beginning. Really strange that you brought it up if you consider it to be so "trivial". Why can't you just be honest and stop it with the lies and dishonesty?
I caught you in a lie, you should apologize and admit that you're either incompetent or a liar. Or both.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2532182]When she went to me on 3 times on this evening, when I didn't want to go with her even she behave lovely, when I saw you waiting for hours for her, in couch close to entry, so I just wanted to know if your long waiting did worth for you, when you told me on previous night when we met on first time, your now French bald friend here girl was disappointment, but I agree with you, my mistake to care if you had better time than on previous night, I wish I didn't scare you too much at 2 am, at least I know she was not scared about me when she returned to me later at Velbert or Gold, and just confirm for me, according to our French expression: better to stay single than with bad companionship, and very adapted to brothels in my opinion. I m only interested, when I drive from far, by girls, I even advice guys to avoid a bad guy like me.[/QUOTE]Aww how sweet. You cared about me, flattered. It's creepy and stalkerish but flattered.
As for the girl, she's a hooker. She came back to everyone dummy. Yes even to me and to hundreds of other guys at Aca and Gold. She even went back to suck face in public with a 125 kg German Acapulco regular everyday. Strange to feel special for this universal hooker behavior.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2532117]Saving post and prediction for time capsule safekeeping.
Along similar lines, cases in Germany down to October levels and deaths down to Pre-Christmas levels despite vaccine naysayers reaching with scary mutant talks.[/QUOTE]Do you speak German? Do you live in Europe? Can you actually read & understand what's being written and said in German papers and TV shows?
So why don't you make a 'time capsule' posting and stick your neck out? What's your prediction? Give us some hard numbers. Clubs open by the time the Oktoberfest starts (which is in mid September by the way, LOL) as Clodius1 is hoping for?
[QUOTE=Clodius1;2532135]I cannot say what is going to happen in Deutschland this year and next. Actually, I cannot say what's going to happen anywhere for that matter. BUT. My guess is that American mongers will be ready to board das flugzeug to hop across the pond by das Oktoberfest. What is my reasoning? A convergence of vaccines and herd immunity. The American schools are finally starting to send their kids back into the classrooms, vaccine or not. What do you think is going to happen to all those parents? They are going to get the virus and not bother to get tested or report anything. Meanwhile, 65+ grandma and grandpa are all getting the vaccine. Mongers are dripping in geld here and itching to spend it in FKK. So das ist mein prediction: probably not even worth two cents LOL. Prost![/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2532209]Figures in Germany make them thinking to close border with cousin Austria which is the closest for culture to Germany, or thinking to buy Sputnik when EU don't allow sputnik, so, must not be so good figures in Germany according to Germans who decide there, when under very strict lockdown with schools closed since 2 months. I think Germans are those who know the most how to protect their safety and we see their decisions inside EU.[/QUOTE]You keep focusing on the maybe's and possibles. German public officials and their policies don't change the universal principles of math. And the math says Coronavirus case numbers and deaths in Germany peaked many weeks ago and are declining rapidly. Same with most of the rest of the world.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2532326]Aww how sweet. You cared about me, flattered. It's creepy and stalkerish but flattered.[/QUOTE]Did you take the opportunity to make a quick dick contest under the shower?
And well, correct me if I'm wrong, but you banged the little Andrea?
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2532327]Do you speak German? Do you live in Europe? Can you actually read & understand what's being written and said in German papers and TV shows?
So why don't you make a 'time capsule' posting and stick your neck out? What's your prediction? Give us some hard numbers. Clubs open by the time the Oktoberfest starts (which is in mid September by the way, LOL) as Clodius1 is hoping for?[/QUOTE]I don't live in Germany and I don't speak fluent German but can understand enough. Most time spent in Germany was 6 months in a given year. Do you live in Germany? Is your Deutsch fluent? What does it matter?
You seem to tend to take a little bit of information that may even have a bit of truth but extrapolate it without considering all parameters, variables, and wildcards. Simply put, it's speaking out of your ass.
On the other hand, why would I make a prediction for something that has so many variables? I can admit that I don't have all of the information to predict what governments will do 3 months out. My professional knowledge base is molecular biology, public health, and medicine, not government, political science, or economics.
As such, I can only professionally speak to the clinical science and say that numbers are down, vaccines have been tested with the same rigor as other medications, and that the social calendar does not present another Christmas-like gathering event in the near future. The opportunities for spread is limited compared to other parts of the year. Vaccines, even with poor national rollouts, will only reduce hospitalizations and the risk of a super mutation rendering vaccines completely ineffective is miniscule. As such, to say that we will be in the same exact situation in a year does not compute or make logical sense given the facts.
In short, I wouldn't be so stupid as to make such a prediction for 2022 when so many things are in flux. My instincts and educated guess however leads me to believe that you are terribly wrong in thinking that the SARS-COV2 situation will be the same one year from now, hence the time capsule.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2532397]Did you take the opportunity to make a quick dick contest under the shower?
And well, correct me if I'm wrong, but you banged the little Andrea?[/QUOTE]It was even more strange, the hobbit was already fully dressed waiting around for me in the locker room. I remember paying the WG with him staring at us. She gave an uncomfortable look and a few days later asked me if I knew him and why he was awkwardly staring. But who knows what goes on in the mind of a cuckhold.
I dunno, can't recall a specific Andrea at LR or GT. I've never had a terrible room at either place. Worst rooms at either were when girls were too fake with the acting or the one girl who tried to cheat on time.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2532167]Yes you're totally wrong. He had 100 posts in 4 weeks and 5 days. The 5 days make all the difference.[/QUOTE]Yah. I sense a "little brother" syndrome. For all of the personalities, at least the hobbit doesn't brings some boots on the ground info, albeit you have to sift through the pages of self grandeur. This other one, absolutely useless.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2532428]Yah. I sense a "little brother" syndrome. For all of the personalities, at least the hobbit doesn't brings some boots on the ground info, albeit you have to sift through the pages of self grandeur. This other one, absolutely useless.[/QUOTE]All your posts are absolutely worthless and irrelevant to the topic of this website. My suggestion would be that you either get a life or actually start posting about the topic of this website.
You're a good example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Not only do you lack intelligence, you also lack self awareness.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2532418]I don't live in Germany and I don't speak fluent German but can understand enough. Most time spent in Germany was 6 months in a given year. Do you live in Germany? Is your Deutsch fluent? What does it matter?[/QUOTE]It matters because it gives you a perspective of how things are developing 'on the ground' in Europe and Germany.
Seems like you're stuck in your own little academic and medical world, but you seem to have very little concept about the political and economical games that are being played on a much higher level than your little laboratory.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2532425]It was even more strange, the hobbit was already fully dressed waiting around for me in the locker room. I remember paying the WG with him staring at us. She gave an uncomfortable look and a few days later asked me if I knew him and why he was awkwardly staring. But who knows what goes on in the mind of a cuckhold.
I dunno, can't recall a specific Andrea at LR or GT. I've never had a terrible room at either place. Worst rooms at either were when girls were too fake with the acting or the one girl who tried to cheat on time.[/QUOTE]You are real US for paranoia, I was not interested how much you paid her. Not Andrea who asked me 10 times per week if I wanted to go with her and as I am too polite when answering, she didn't understand I would never pay for her, but many towels to go to room, not safe Bob Marley daughter Issa for who one fell for risky, entertaining story at LR.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2532334]You keep focusing on the maybe's and possibles. German public officials and their policies don't change the universal principles of math. And the math says Coronavirus case numbers and deaths in Germany peaked many weeks ago and are declining rapidly. Same with most of the rest of the world.[/QUOTE]But do you know UK brought their mutant in Switzerland when they went to ski for Christmas and Sylvester, meeting other nationalities and then UK mutant spread now in Switzerland neighbours. Now also south African in south Tirol Austria or France close to German border and even new Nigerian one now arriving, when EU medical is waiting for mutants high peak on March, when our second vaccine AZ is not efficient versus mutants. Do all your figures posted here know about this, when EU medical worry and they should know better than you about EU. Wish at least you know a bit about US. 4 mutants are now in western Europe.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2532326]Aww how sweet. You cared about me, flattered. It's creepy and stalkerish but flattered.
As for the girl, she's a hooker. She came back to everyone dummy. Yes even to me and to hundreds of other guys at Aca and Gold. She even went back to suck face in public with a 125 kg German Acapulco regular everyday. Strange to feel special for this universal hooker behavior.[/QUOTE]Maybe I felt guilty you didn't enjoy my previous night advice at LR, when your French friend was so crazy about her. Did she take 5 towels with you and proposed you: I can do everything for you? But really everything, but I prefer risk when free riding, less dangerous for me, and she was really not pretty enough for my desire. At LR, when some Germans were waiting, but my best student for sex always came to the same not German, and sometimes even delaying bigger money or appointments. She must had a reason to choose like this every week for months.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2532495]All your posts are absolutely worthless and irrelevant to the topic of this website. My suggestion would be that you either get a life or actually start posting about the topic of this website.
You're a good example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Not only do you lack intelligence, you also lack self awareness.[/QUOTE]Well, I sifted through your first 25 posts and didn't see much hooker talk there either.
More importantly after reading some of those posts though, you're a mean little dude, amigo. Like, for no reason. So angry. It's a little scary actually.
Oh, I feel like you've used that the-K line like 3 times already. Some fresh material would be more entertaining. Reruns get boring. Please and thank you. Kisses.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2532504]It matters because it gives you a perspective of how things are developing 'on the ground' in Europe and Germany.
Seems like you're stuck in your own little academic and medical world, but you seem to have very little concept about the political and economical games that are being played on a much higher level than your little laboratory.[/QUOTE]Yeah, hence why I said there's too many variables to make an asinine prediction into 2022 as if anyone alive has any experience with the current world situation whatsoever.
But yeah, I wouldn't know what it's like in Germany at the moment. But do you? Have you been there yourself lately?
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2532546]Maybe I felt guilty you didn't enjoy my previous night advice at LR, when your French friend was so crazy about her. Did she take 5 towels with you and proposed you: I can do everything for you? But really everything, but I prefer risk when free riding, less dangerous for me, and she was really not pretty enough for my desire. At LR, when some Germans were waiting, but my best student for sex always came to the same not German, and sometimes even delaying bigger money or appointments. She must had a reason to choose like this every week for months.[/QUOTE]Oh my god stop crying already.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2532556]Oh, I feel like you've used that the-K line like 3 times already. Some fresh material would be more entertaining. Reruns get boring. Please and thank you. Kisses.[/QUOTE]Oh no really more than that. You can add a zero after the 3. Use the search engine if you're in for some counting action.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2532562]Oh my god stop crying already.[/QUOTE]Let's face it you're jealous because you don't have a mighty Caucasian tool which is the center of attention when you're under the shower and you have this big Bush, so big that the girls have to take some toilet paper with a hole.
Me too I had a girl who was mesmerized by the power of my love spear made of flesh and blood. It was this tall brunette who started in LR around Christmas 2016. Fair skin, black hair, red lipstick, just a little tattoo near her collarbone, she had this kind of aura like she was some glamourous movie star from the 50's like Ava Gardner (minus the sexy velvet dress) or like the first woman walking the earth, you know the GF of Adam wink wink!
She was already popular at the time, because of her looks, her nice attitude and her freshness but I managed to make 2 sessions with her on this day. The sex was rather good but not great, she didn't really know how to play with a gigantic sledgehammer like mine and BJ and HJ could be a little painful. But still I had a good time.
So I came back one month later a Saturday or a Friday I think and she was getting even more popular. I couldn't get her for a while so I spent some time with other girls but later in the evening I saw her apparently free, just walking in the corridor and kissing Hello, some kind of strange halfling (even without the heels the guy was probably 10 cm shorter than her). So I tried my luck and caught her up in the famous LR stair.
I played some comedy and looked at her with my famous kitten eyes: "Oh you've been so busy today and I didn't have the chance to see you."
She - "Yes but you see this guy, he comes only for me every weekend from far away (the city with the big iron tower)."
Me - "Pleeeeease, I haven't seen you for a while and I'd like to see you again."
She - "Go wait for me downstairs on the couch (the famous LR couch close to the spa)."
And 5 minutes later, she was here! I don't know what she told to her lovesick puppy admirer, but she had no problems sending him to wait in the garden while she was playing with my thick pleasure piston. During 1 h30 actually. And I hope that she washed enough after because I rubbed it everywhere on her, maybe the puppy did enjoy how I taste?
Anyway, after my shower, I got to the restaurant before leaving and guess who were here? My girl and her vertically reduced Casanova! The guy was acting as if he was taking her to an high end restaurant. Like "please my dear, would you enjoy those delicious bami slices with pommes? They come straight from the freezer."
Anyway, good things come to an end because she lost her freshness and her friendly attitude rather quick. One year later she was acting like some posh princess, She got thicker, her skin got darker, actually she was becoming a little like badass Jane, the girl who kicks creeps out of the club. I always wondered if the puppy played a role in all of that. If enough customers act really servile with a girl, she can realize that there is a lot of money to be done without working too much by controlling the wallet of her money slaves.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2532556]Well, I sifted through your first 25 posts and didn't see much hooker talk there either.
More importantly after reading some of those posts though, you're a mean little dude, amigo. Like, for no reason. So angry. It's a little scary actually.
Oh, I feel like you've used that the-K line like 3 times already. Some fresh material would be more entertaining. Reruns get boring. Please and thank you. Kisses.[/QUOTE]Hilarious, why don't you call 911 if you're so scared? Pathetic.
It's interesting to see how much time trolls like you have to spend writing up all sorts of irrelevant nonsense and derogatory comments against members who actually contributes with relevant information to this site.
I tell you the same thing as you told Sirioja: Stop crying.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2532765]Hilarious, why don't you call 911 if you're so scared? Pathetic.
It's interesting to see how much time trolls like you have to spend writing up all sorts of irrelevant nonsense and derogatory comments against members who actually contributes with relevant information to this site.
I tell you the same thing as you told Sirioja: Stop crying.[/QUOTE]Where's your contribution? Still looking. I'll wait.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2532672]Oh no really more than that. You can add a zero after the 3. Use the search engine if you're in for some counting action.[/QUOTE]One trick pony that guy. Not even a simple pun in any of his posts for entertainment value.
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[QUOTE=Canary;2532552]Obviously an opening date for Sharks or any FKK is purely down to speculation at this early stage.
However anyone who lives in Germany who can give relative updates on the Corona / lockdown situation over there are always appreciated as any first steps towards normality can only bring the reopening of these venues a step closer.
Living in the UK the return of regular flights without quarantine to Germany or indeed to anywhere is a few months away and only then could I turn my attention to returning to watching dozens of naked women vying for my body. Or more specifically my wallet![/QUOTE]Not going to get much first hand info about the situation in Germany right now on this forum. Not many German residents posting here right now. I only know one currently active poster who lives there. Perhaps that poster can shed some light. It sounds like the biggest restraint is the 15 km leash that people have.
A female friend in Bavaria says that border restrictions with Czech and Western Austria are due to rising case numbers in Eastern Europe and some fears of the be. 1. 1. 7 variant that is more prevalent in that region. As of now, current restrictions were extended until 7. March. Their safe threshold is 35 cases per 100,000 people per week. Their current weekly incidence rate is around 65 cases per 100 K per week. Basically that's about 7000 total cases per day when they need to get to about 4000 total cases per day. Hopefully the trend of decreasing cases continues and they start easing restrictions.
My personal opinion is that the best case scenario is some clubs opening in May but that's likely too optimistic. But with vaccines distribution surely to improve, it's hard to see a situation where German society isn't mostly open by the end of the summer. Opening venues such as sex clubs obviously has the highest threshold so it is more difficult to predict.
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Coronavirus Variants and state of COVID
The role of variants in extending the pandemic cannot be determined with complete certainty but we can make some reasonable educated guesses on how things will play out. All variants so far have been identified prior to the Christmas surge with some having been identified as early as last summer. The most notable ones were found to be circulating in greatest numbers prior to Christmas. But despite that, the case incidence has spiked and has since come back down. And the mutations apparently just made them more transmissible but has not proven to show a higher mortality.
Looking at the major variants and their regions of origin (UK, South Africa, Brazil, Japan, California), those areas seem to have seen a peak after Christmas and the incidence has since come down. Brazil is the only place where the decreases have not been drastic. But Brazil has been known to have enforced very little regulations.
Things may change and a "super mutant" that is capable of escaping recognition by the immune response elicited by all major vaccines is possible but the chances are small.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2532800]Where's your contribution? Still looking. I'll wait.[/QUOTE]Aren't you the person who had to create a new account to be able to continue trolling this forum? Pathetic.
It's hilarious to see that coming from you considering the fact that all your posts are irrelevant nonsense. I've contributed with my fair share to this website but given the large number trolls like you I have no longer any reason nor desire to share my wealth of information.
Congratulations on ruining this forum by constantly posting derogatory comments and irrelevant gibberish.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2532803]One trick pony that guy. Not even a simple pun in any of his posts for entertainment value.[/QUOTE]It's still true.
Every post you write is a reminder of your stupidity and arrogance.
So you think that your posts are witty? Sorry to disappointed you, but your posts aren't funny.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2532672]Oh no really more than that. You can add a zero after the 3. Use the search engine if you're in for some counting action.[/QUOTE]I love how you're still obsessing over me because I called you out for lying about Sweden having a lockdown. Such a fragile and stupid little boy you're.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2532856]Aren't you the person who had to create a new account to be able to continue trolling this forum? Pathetic.
It's hilarious to see that coming from you considering the fact that all your posts are irrelevant nonsense. I've contributed with my fair share to this website but given the large number trolls like you I have no longer any reason nor desire to share my wealth of information.
Congratulations on ruining this forum by constantly posting derogatory comments and irrelevant gibberish.[/QUOTE]Where's this contribution? We'll all keep waiting. And waiting. And waiting.
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2532893]Ok- I am german resident. No 15 km-radius restrictions for most of us. While some things are opening (e. G. Schools) - this opening is likely only temporary. Consensus is that there is a 3rd wave of the british mutant piling up. Numbers just start to increase yet again and since our politician are very slow, it will be likely severe. Vaccination effort is immensely slow, BTW in relative percentage points we are lagging behind UK, US etc tremendously.
If I had to guess, there won't be an re-opening of amusement parks, nightclubs and FKK land before May 1. Maybe June 1 if we are lucky. My bets is currently on Aug 1.[/QUOTE]My friends in Bayern and Stuttgart say that the radius restriction is in place where they live. It appears that it varies from one Bundesland to another. Article below states that not all states are enforcing the rule, or perhaps you live in an area with low case numbers, Hamburg?
[URL]https://www.thelocal.de/20210111/15km-rule-which-areas-of-germany-are-affected-by-new-movement-restrictions[/URL]
Consensus? Media, political, or medical consensus? Medical majority is a bit more optimistic regarding variants.
Are you sure about the numbers going up? Most published sources say the opposite:
[URL]https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/de/[/URL]
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/germany?country=~DEU[/URL]
[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/[/URL]
Somewhat concerning is that this week's numbers did not show a rapid decline when compared to recent weeks, but rather plateau'the from last week. Either an increase is on the horizon or we are witnessing a baseline level of spread given the current moderate restrictions.
Attached regional map shows the highest number of cases in Saxony and Bayern (because of proximity to the Czech border). My suspicion is that all of the stress is due to Germany's greatest concern now being the "Eastern Front. " History must think she's being funny.
I agree with your estimates regarding reopening dates. Hoping for May, betting on August.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2532826]Not going to get much first hand info about the situation in Germany right now on this forum. Not many German residents posting here right now. I only know one currently active poster who lives there. Perhaps that poster can shed some light.[/QUOTE]I knew there were plenty of posters on this site outside Germany but I didn't realize how few German residents report on here. I have a German friend who gives me updates every so often & a SP keeps in touch on What'App but she has little info. Most of my info on what's happening in Germany from another sex website & via the reputable world news organisations.
[QUOTE=Kuni042;2532893]Ok- I am german resident. No 15 km-radius restrictions for most of us. While some things are opening (e. G. Schools) - this opening is likely only temporary. Consensus is that there is a 3rd wave of the british mutant piling up. Numbers just start to increase yet again and since our politician are very slow, it will be likely severe. Vaccination effort is immensely slow, BTW in relative percentage points we are lagging behind UK, US etc tremendously.
If I had to guess, there won't be an re-opening of amusement parks, nightclubs and FKK land before May 1. Maybe June 1 if we are lucky. My bets is currently on Aug 1.[/QUOTE]I greatly appreciate the update from the German prospective.
I live in the UK which has been hit badly by the virus but the situation in the UK is improving rapidly every day. For some reason I always assume the German authorities are more in control and better organised than the UK and when things are improving in the UK I automatically assume Germany's situation is improving too. It appears I was wrong!
The British wave isn't as bad as some report, all the vaccines currently prevent serious illness, hospitalisations & death with this & other variants although it doesn't guarantee prevention from mild illness with some other mutations.
If the British variant was that bad the UK figures wouldn't be reducing very quickly in transmissions, hospitalisations and deaths.
Our Idiot Prime Minister Johnson is announcing on Monday the "road map back to normality" although foreign trips are not on the agenda yet it is being talked about how travel will recommence as 17 million Brits have already had their first vaccination, (having mine tomorrow!
As you correctly say FKK land will be way down the list of venues to reopen but I always appreciate the latest news in Germany as any positive news is a small step forward to their reopening so thank you for posting.
Personally I hope there will be some of the summer left to visit Sharks, Oase etc.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2532826]Not going to get much first hand info about the situation in Germany right now on this forum. Not many German residents posting here right now. I only know one currently active poster who lives there. Perhaps that poster can shed some light. [/QUOTE]I'm regularly for work in Germany and I already explained it all to you, see my quoted post below, but you refuse to listen.
[QUOTE=Kuni042;2532893]Ok- I am german resident. No 15 km-radius restrictions for most of us. While some things are opening (e. G. Schools) - this opening is likely only temporary. Consensus is that there is a 3rd wave of the british mutant piling up. Numbers just start to increase yet again and since our politician are very slow, it will be likely severe. Vaccination effort is immensely slow, BTW in relative percentage points we are lagging behind UK, US etc tremendously.
If I had to guess, there won't be an re-opening of amusement parks, nightclubs and FKK land before May 1. Maybe June 1 if we are lucky. My bets is currently on Aug 1.[/QUOTE]This is mostly what I've been saying for a long time, except for the IMHO very optimistic case of reopening on 1st August. I'm regularly in Germany and I was in Germany last week for business, and despite that both hospitalizations and "cases" are way down, the restrictions are becoming more and more absurd. PCR testing and online registration required for entering the country and staying in hotels. Most of my German friends and colleagues that I talk to are getting more and more fed up and frustrated with the incompetence of the German government, and many of them advocate to getting our freedoms back whilst protecting old and vulnerable people.
As I said, the restrictions is getting more absurd by the week, and in Berlin the police used a helicopter to chase young kids off a frozen lake: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLIA5KPnB-Y[/URL] or here in Bavaria where you have to wear a mask outside in the middle of a snowy forest: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeAOmO-u03U[/URL].
You can't even have some snow fun outside (keeping distance of 10 meters or more in the fresh air), and yet people really believe that FKK will open this summer and you're allowed to get close to a WG, or even are allowed to lay on top of her to have sex? Dream on! Knowing the Germans, the new Merkel Stasi Regime will probably install cameras in the rooms to make sure you're both wearing your face diapers and are only fucking her doggystyle. / sarc.
Trying to read politicians and '*****nalists' is a bit like interviewing a hooker: not an exact science, and you have to trust your gut feeling and your instincts, and you have to be able to read between the lines a lot. Just like Kuni42 said: now the German media and politics are pumping the "mutations" propaganda to justify the continuing lockdowns and closures of bars, gyms, restaurants, DIY stores etc. The borders with the Czech Republic and Austria are almost like the good old DDR again, and the Bavarian president Soeder is being nicknamed SoeDolf: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpt2KJ2kehE[/URL].
The way some people here blindly trust the politicians and media reminds me of naive idiots who pay hundreds of Euros for a standard 50 E fuck and suck session by a hooker who specialises in ripping off tourists with upselling. "Don't worry, just install a tracking app on your phone, get vaccinated every 3-6 months with the 'updated' Bill-Gates-Vaccine-Update, and all will be fine. Just trust us politicians, we will have a great time together. " LOL!
Here's a reminder for Mursenary, our Big Pharma and Deep State sponsored mercenary troll, LOL!
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2532052]Well don't forget that there is a lot of political pressure in Germany to continuously lower those "targets" (the so-called "Inzidenzwert" I. E. The "Incident value" of infections per 100 k inhabitants over the past 7 days) in Germany. Initially it was 50 infections per 100 k, and now they have moved to goalpost to 35 infections per 100 k.
An example is Karl Lauterbach from the German Socialist party, advocating for an "unlimited lockdown:" [URL]https://www.sueddeutsche.de/gesundheit/coronavirus-rki-1.5158990[/URL].
Lauterbach also wants to lower the Inzidenzwert to "below 25" : [URL]https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/politik/corona-impfungen-lockdown-lauterbach-100.html[/URL].
With these continuously moving goalposts which make it more difficult to relax the lockdown, and the complete lack (read: chaos) of a credible vaccinating time table in Germany, I wouldn't be too certain that German FKK clubs will open this year.
The German brainwashing media is already preparing the public for "mutations," a 'lack of efficacy of the vaccine against these mutations,' and a "3rd wave" in the autumn.
I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but my prediction is that by February 2022, we'll be in more or less the EXACT same situation as we are this year simply because Corona viruses always mutate, and the "vaccine" is a complete joke that has been thrown together in a few months without enough testing. Some bars, gyms and restaurants might open in the summer of this year, but forget about FKK clubs. Even if some clubs are allowed to reopen, line-up will be extremely poor and there will be ridiculous rules about having to wear face diapers and social distancing in a brothel! / sarc.
P.S. So far my predictions have been reasonably good; I predicted last year that the re-openings during summer 2020 would be very short-lived, and I predicted that the "vaccine strategy" would be a complete mess with mutations destroying it's efficacy. The long term side effects of those mRNA "vaccines" are anyone's guess because they skipped the long term tests and the politicians went for an emergency rollout.
Ursula von der Leyen (another German, and another Angela Merkel protege) has finally admitted that the Covid vaccine rollout is a complete mess: [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/10/ursula-von-der-leyen-admits-errors-in-eu-covid-vaccine-rollout[/URL].[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2532949]Where's this contribution? We'll all keep waiting. And waiting. And waiting.[/QUOTE]Are you schizophrenic, or why are you referring to yourself as "we"?
You wouldn't need to ask that question if you had bothered reading through my posts. You're just a lazy troll who never contributed with nothing to this forum.
The question you should ask yourself is when you ever posted any information of value on this site. You're just a troll creating one account after another to ruin this forum.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2532959][URL]https://www.thelocal.de/20210111/15km-rule-which-areas-of-germany-are-affected-by-new-movement-restrictions[/URL].[/QUOTE]Seems to change by day. Here are news sources from this week.
Relaxing in most parts of Sachsen: [URL]https://www.mdr.de/sachsen/ausgangssperren-fuenfzehn-kilometer-radius-aufgehoben-landkreise-100.html[/URL].
Pforzheim just lifted yesterday: [URL]https://bnn.de/pforzheim/pforzheim-stadt/ausgangssperre-in-pforzheim-ist-aufgehoben[/URL].
Passau lifted on Thursday, but going back to curfew starting Saturday:[URL]https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern/passau-ab-samstag-wieder-ausgangssperre[/URL].
Curfew still applies in various parts of Bavaria: [URL]https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern/ausgangssperre-wo-sie-in-bayern-noch-gilt[/URL].
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In Western Europe, everybody know mutants, we have 4 spreading in Europe, will be at peak on March. Our knowledge from inside.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2533080]Are you schizophrenic, or why are you referring to yourself as "we"?
You wouldn't need to ask that question if you had bothered reading through my posts. You're just a lazy troll who never contributed with nothing to this forum.
The question you should ask yourself is when you ever posted any information of value on this site. You're just a troll creating one account after another to ruin this forum.[/QUOTE]I guess that means we'll have to keep waiting for your contribution. Kisses darling.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2533133]Seems to change by day. Here are news sources from this week.
Relaxing in most parts of Sachsen: [URL]https://www.mdr.de/sachsen/ausgangssperren-fuenfzehn-kilometer-radius-aufgehoben-landkreise-100.html[/URL].
Pforzheim just lifted yesterday: [URL]https://bnn.de/pforzheim/pforzheim-stadt/ausgangssperre-in-pforzheim-ist-aufgehoben[/URL].
Passau lifted on Thursday, but going back to curfew starting Saturday:[URL]https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern/passau-ab-samstag-wieder-ausgangssperre[/URL].
Curfew still applies in various parts of Bavaria: [URL]https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern/ausgangssperre-wo-sie-in-bayern-noch-gilt[/URL].[/QUOTE]Sounds like Germany's doing a pretty good job responding to potential threats before they get out of hand while also trying not to go needlessly into complete lock down mode. It's better than what we're doing in the States. Contact tracing? It too hard of a concept for US government officials to even consider. Localized restrictions tailored to the numbers in a particular region? Apparently it's too hard for them to sift through the details and regional data. Germany is probably Western Europe's MVP at the moment, holding down that Eastern front before it gets out of hand. It helps when your head of state has a doctorate in biochemistry and actually listens to her health experts and pushes for the implementation of region appropriate measures.
On the flip, their vaccine rollout is a complete joke with less than 5% vaccinated. That's lower than the EU average. Meanwhile, UK and US are over 20% and 10 % vaccinated respectively.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2533133]Seems to change by day. Here are news sources from this week.
Relaxing in most parts of Sachsen: [URL]https://www.mdr.de/sachsen/ausgangssperren-fuenfzehn-kilometer-radius-aufgehoben-landkreise-100.html[/URL].
Pforzheim just lifted yesterday: [URL]https://bnn.de/pforzheim/pforzheim-stadt/ausgangssperre-in-pforzheim-ist-aufgehoben[/URL].
Passau lifted on Thursday, but going back to curfew starting Saturday:[URL]https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern/passau-ab-samstag-wieder-ausgangssperre[/URL].
Curfew still applies in various parts of Bavaria: [URL]https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern/ausgangssperre-wo-sie-in-bayern-noch-gilt[/URL].[/QUOTE]Sounds like Germany's doing a pretty good job responding to potential threats before they get out of hand while also trying not to go needlessly into complete lock down mode. It's better than what we're doing in the States. Contact tracing? It too hard of a concept for US government officials to even consider. Localized restrictions tailored to the numbers in a particular region? Apparently it's too hard for them to sift through the details and regional data. Germany is probably Western Europe's MVP at the moment, holding down that Eastern front before it gets out of hand. It helps when your head of state has a doctorate in biochemistry and actually listens to her health experts and pushes for the implementation of region appropriate measures.
On the flip, their vaccine rollout is a complete joke with less than 5% vaccinated. That's lower than the EU average. Meanwhile, UK and US are over 20% and 10 % vaccinated respectively.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2533202]I guess that means we'll have to keep waiting for your contribution. Kisses darling.[/QUOTE]Yikes, I see that you're still suffering from schizophrenia.
You don't need to wait for anything, you just need to stop being so lazy and actually read my posts.
You on the other is a worthless troll with over 600 posts of irrelevant nonsense.
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[QUOTE=Canary;2533021]I greatly appreciate the update from the German prospective.
I live in the UK which has been hit badly by the virus but the situation in the UK is improving rapidly every day. For some reason I always assume the German authorities are more in control and better organised than the UK and when things are improving in the UK I automatically assume Germany's situation is improving too. It appears I was wrong!
The British wave isn't as bad as some report, all the vaccines currently prevent serious illness, hospitalisations & death with this & other variants although it doesn't guarantee prevention from mild illness with some other mutations.
If the British variant was that bad the UK figures wouldn't be reducing very quickly in transmissions, hospitalisations and deaths.
Our Idiot Prime Minister Johnson is announcing on Monday the "road map back to normality" although foreign trips are not on the agenda yet it is being talked about how travel will recommence as 17 million Brits have already had their first vaccination, (having mine tomorrow!
As you correctly say FKK land will be way down the list of venues to reopen but I always appreciate the latest news in Germany as any positive news is a small step forward to their reopening so thank you for posting.
Personally I hope there will be some of the summer left to visit Sharks, Oase etc.[/QUOTE]Let's calibrate the definition of bad, good, and better.
I think we have to gauge the standards for each country. The Germans are making a big deal right now, but their threshold for action is much more strict than the UK or the US. At their peak, their case count was 25 per 100 K per day. The UK was sitting at about 90 per 100 K per day, the US at about 75. Currently the case counts are 8 per 100 K per day in Germany and 16 in the UK. Both put the US to shame as we are still sitting at 25. Worst, France and Sweden are sitting at 27 and 30 respectively. For perspective, the latter 3 countries, despite the recent improvement in numbers, are currently still seeing more cases than Germany at their peak!
That being said, the German poor vaccine rollout came as a huge surprise to me. Is it the logistics? Did they not pre-order enough doses? Are the Germans more reluctant to get vaccinated? Things I don't know. The entire EU is sitting at about 6% vaccinated with Germany not too far behind at around 5%. The UK is above 20 and the US is approaching 15%. We're currently vaccinating at 0.5% of the population per day. At that rate, the USA will be at half the population vaccinated by June. But that rate may even increase as the general public will soon be included into the list of eligible vaccines recipients and as more vaccines such as AZ and Johnson and Johnson will soon add to the total vaccine supply.
I fully endorse your observations regarding the British situations, vaccine efficacy, and effects of variants. UK was ground zero and they got through the worst of its effects. Same with South Africa. As such, I am cautiously optimistic that most western nations will control the effects of variants on potential surges. A little bump may be in the works but nothing near the magnitude of the Christmas surge. 2 steps forward with one step back is perfectly reasonable to expect as long as the trend continues to move in the right direction.
For all the rhetoric about mainstream media manipulation, it seems that people with certain agendas seem to pick and choose observations at their convenience in order to make their points. But if their predictions are right and we see the same case numbers with restrictions one year later, I'll commit to the revolution with my pitchfork and musket like they apparently would like to see.
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I hope that this paramedic end soon, and I wish you all whom are reading this comment, that they carry a good health.
Thank you.
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"Scepticism over Oxford vaccine threatens Europe's immunisation push"
[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/19/german-politicians-counter-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-scepticism-with-show-of-support[/URL]
[QUOTE]....only about 17% of doses delivered to the country have been administered so far.
According to the German disease control agency’s monitoring, 129,021 doses of a delivered 736,800 had been administered by Thursday this week.[/QUOTE][QUOTE]Karl-Dieter Heller, the director of the Herzogin Elisabeth hospital in Braunschweig, told Frankfurter Allgemeine newspaper that he had decided to vaccinate his staff only in smaller groups and on Fridays, after 40% of one group called in sick with flu-like symptoms after receiving their jab on a Thursday.[/QUOTE][QUOTE]In south-west France, a hospital in Périgueux asked in an open letter that the AstraZeneca vaccine be replaced with shots from Moderna and BioNTech/Pfizer after 50% to 70% of injected staff experienced side-effects.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.fr.de/wissen/coronavirus-corona-astrazeneca-impfstoff-nebenwirkungen-vakzin-90208229.html[/URL]
"Astrazeneca-Impfstoff: Mehr Nebenwirkungen als gedacht" (translation: Astrazeneca vaccine: more side effects than previously thought).
These are just the short term side effects that are immediately visible, but what might be the possible side effects in the long term? What does this (barely tested) stuff do to your body over the next 5 years? Over the next 10 years? Or 20 years?
In the meantime, Stasi Mutti Merkel has already stated that: "the pandemic will only defeated when everybody in the world has been vaccinated:" [URL]https://youtu.be/GTDIrhpJ-1Q[/URL].
So only count on society and FKK clubs to reopen again as 'soon' as 7,8 billion people have been vaccinated and no more mutations appear. Translation: probably never!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2533243]
On the flip, their vaccine rollout is a complete joke with less than 5% vaccinated. That's lower than the EU average. [/QUOTE]There have been lots of news that German health care providers refuse to be vaccinated by the Astra Zeneca vaccine so that means things will go slowly until they change their minds or other vaccines are available.
I've read about the same thing from France.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2533300]Yikes, I see that you're still suffering from schizophrenia.
You don't need to wait for anything, you just need to stop being so lazy and actually read my posts.
You on the other is a worthless troll with over 600 posts of irrelevant nonsense.[/QUOTE]I agree. I'm the worst!
Nonetheless. I looked but couldn't find anything of yours that was helpful. Perhaps you can lead us all to your "contributions."
Kissy face.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2533405]There have been lots of news that German health care providers refuse to be vaccinated by the Astra Zeneca vaccine so that means things will go slowly until they change their minds or other vaccines are available.
I've read about the same thing from France.[/QUOTE]It's not that some people refuse to be vaccinated.
The problem is that hospitals immediately run into staffing shortages if 40-70% of the vaccinated people call in sick for a number of days because they are suffering from side effects. See my post below yours.
It's the hospitals that are deliberately scheduling less vaccinations, in order to make sure that enough healthy (read; not vaccinated! LOL!) hospital staff is available to work.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2533346]That being said, the German poor vaccine rollout came as a huge surprise to me. Is it the logistics? Did they not pre-order enough doses? Are the Germans more reluctant to get vaccinated? Things I don't know.[/QUOTE]The German government couldn't organise a binge drinking party in a brewery, and the only way they can 'organise' something is with a massive government bureaucracy. (see: WW1 and WW2, and the DDR) Getting anything done with the German 'Behoerde' (authorities) like taxes, permits, approvals, is an extreme exercise in patience and endurance.
This Covid19 crisis has been a complete exposure of the incompetence of many governments. The initial chaos and panic in February-March last year was understandable, but one would have hoped (and guessed) that in the meantime cooler heads would have prevailed, also in Germany. But no. It's still chaos everywhere in Europe, including in Germany. Lockdowns, masks, no masks, closed borders, 15 km travel restrictions, online registrations for border crossings, quarantines, PCR test chaos, contact tracing, it's all one big chaos with no end in sight.
For the last 15-20 years I've been regularly in Germany by car, and when I return to a certain area, city or Autobahn months later, I still see the same construction sites, the same potholes, the same closed down lanes leading to massive traffic jams. Where fixing a road takes a few weeks in Belgium, The Netherlands, Denmark, France or the UK, it takes months or even years in Germany!
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2533405]There have been lots of news that German health care providers refuse to be vaccinated by the Astra Zeneca vaccine so that means things will go slowly until they change their minds or other vaccines are available.
I've read about the same thing from France.[/QUOTE]Yes, AZ don t seem too welcome to be vaccined also by French medical, when not efficient versus mutants. New high peak should be on March in Western Europe, when not enough vaccine. I wonder if, when you know You are healthy with clean lungs, may be better to get and build your own soldiers, for most efficient vaccine. Of course, wish weak and at risk can be vaccined.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2533424]I agree. I'm the worst!
Nonetheless. I looked but couldn't find anything of yours that was helpful. Perhaps you can lead us all to your "contributions."
Kissy face.[/QUOTE]Stop writing BS and start reading.
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Vaccines in USA
I don't see this happening. It is total chaos, randomly flung about pharmacies, counties, states, doctors and whatever, most have broken web pages that require registration and excludes illegal immigrants because they cannot exist because the management consultants and their flow diagram assumptions are perfect. It's supposed to be free, but in typical fashion there are footnote, daggers and asterix that requires cash to be paid or insurance. I just checked one site, no appointment through 2023 ! USA is a pigs breakfast. It's not going to happen any time soon or at all.
I don't see how airlines will survive or much of the economy. And the stats don't lie. This is an older baby boomer disease; over 64 is 85% mortality and / or the obese or diabetes. Their one last selfish act on their way out. Pricks.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2533505]Stop writing BS and start reading.[/QUOTE]Last 50 posts, found zero hooker reviews.
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Had a patient who had been in the same hospital room for one month straight; during that month, even with Noninvasive 100% oxygen support, he could not move more than 3 meters from his bed. He was never intubated, no Intravenous sedation meds, very limited visitors, liquid food for one month, required nurses to wipe his shit every time he had to poop (on a hospital bed). He was a 2 meter, 130 kg, 55 year old man. Last week he dropped his jello on the ground. The guy started crying uncontrollably for an hour. It was a complete mental breakdown. As evident with some of these rants, hospitalization and confinement are not necessary for similar mental breakdowns during this pandemic. On a positive note, the man was finally discharged home today to his wife and daughter.
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At ht96: on the other hand the autobahns are free in Germany, not in France. And the bureaucracy of Germany couldn't be slower than the French one.
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2533557]I don't see this happening. It is total chaos, randomly flung about pharmacies, counties, states, doctors and whatever, most have broken web pages that require registration and excludes illegal immigrants because they cannot exist because the management consultants and their flow diagram assumptions are perfect. It's supposed to be free, but in typical fashion there are footnote, daggers and asterix that requires cash to be paid or insurance. I just checked one site, no appointment through 2023 ! USA is a pigs breakfast. It's not going to happen any time soon or at all.
I don't see how airlines will survive or much of the economy. And the stats don't lie. This is an older baby boomer disease; over 64 is 85% mortality and / or the obese or diabetes. Their one last selfish act on their way out. Pricks.[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree more, especially when you look at the facts and statistics about who is affected: just boomers are affected, the most spoilt and selfish generation in the world's history. The average age of Covid19 deaths in Germany is something like 84, and as I've repeatedly pointed out, according to Professor Ioannidis (one of the most cited and respected scientists in the world) infection mortality of people under 70 is 0,05% and the average (incl. People over 70) is 0,23%. See page 7 on the WHO website: [URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf[/URL].
The biggest clue is the way you're not allowed to question any official narrative, and how the narrative keeps on changing to meet the purpose of more lockdowns.
*) In January, February last year, people were calling for closing borders and wanted to buy face masks, but the governments told those people: "you are racist conspiracy nutcases," and they allowed the virus to spread spread and spread! Now they lock people inside and force them to wear face masks, yet the number of "cases" still continue to rise and rise.
*) Voicing any questions or concerns about the "vaccine" are not allowed on the extreme left wing social media (again, those are "rightwing conspiracy theories" discussing successful conventional treatment methods with the use of HCQ or Ivermectin is also not allowed by the 'fact' checkers. Lots of virologists, microbiologists and other scientists are getting blocked on social media when they question the 'science' of for example Dr Drosten, the German (and Merkel's darling) who came up with the PCR test that is used to 'diagnose' the Sars-Cov-2 virus.
*) In Germany they have quietly reduced the threshold to justify lockdowns from 50 to 35, supposedly to 'combat mutations.'
*) Any side effects from the vaccine are swept under the rug.
The way they block any scientific and adult discussion with scientists who have a different opinion, it seems that all the 'scientists' that are on the government's payroll (puppets for the politicians) have a lot to hide.
As the joke-meme goes: "you only had one job. " and the government has been deliberately manipulating and brainwashing everybody that the "vaccine" is the only way out. So they completely mess that up that "one job" they gave themselves, while shop owners, restaurants, airlines, bars, and gyms are going bankrupt and people are losing their jobs being locked inside their own houses.
I was chatting to a German colleague who has 3 kids yesterday, and he told me that one of his children is showing serious signs of depression: not wanting to play with his friends, not wanting to do homework, not wanting to eat, basically not wanting to do anything except to just hang on the couch. His kids have basically been locked inside for 1 year; schools closed, then briefly reopened again, then closed again. "Thankfully," he said, " we have 3 kids, so they can play with each other, but imagine how lonely onliest children who don't have any brothers or sisters are growing up."
It's truly criminal what the German government is doing, but when you look at their history, it's not the first time they get caught up in a collective madness and hysteria!
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2533427]It's not that some people refuse to be vaccinated.
The problem is that hospitals immediately run into staffing shortages if 40-70% of the vaccinated people call in sick for a number of days because they are suffering from side effects. See my post below yours.
It's the hospitals that are deliberately scheduling less vaccinations, in order to make sure that enough healthy (read; not vaccinated! LOL!) hospital staff is available to work.
The German government couldn't organise a binge drinking party in a brewery, and the only way they can 'organise' something is with a massive government bureaucracy. (see: WW1 and WW2, and the DDR) Getting anything done with the German 'Behoerde' (authorities) like taxes, permits, approvals, is an extreme exercise in patience and endurance.
This Covid19 crisis has been a complete exposure of the incompetence of many governments. The initial chaos and panic in February-March last year was understandable, but one would have hoped (and guessed) that in the meantime cooler heads would have prevailed, also in Germany. But no. It's still chaos everywhere in Europe, including in Germany. Lockdowns, masks, no masks, closed borders, 15 km travel restrictions, online registrations for border crossings, quarantines, PCR test chaos, contact tracing, it's all one big chaos with no end in sight.[/QUOTE]For sure, Germans are European champions for works on autobahns, can only be really fast at night but better to know how to kick in brakes when entering works zones limited to 80 or 60 , just stressful and exhausting. When driving in Switzerland lead to jail, but what a relaxing pleasure to drive pushing in Italy between Tarvisio on Austrian border and Cuneo not so far from Genova and sea to go to climb for 22 kms la Bonette 2802 meters high and really look forward returning. I remember in NL around Maastricht, when you drive like me, you have drugs dealers thinking You are a go fast, making lights flashes to you and running after you, or also when arriving much faster in back, when Germans, Belgians, Austrians, Swiss or even Italians move to right line to let you go, but some NL braking just in front of you when you are in their back, because they just don t want You are faster, so most often having to kick really hard in brakes, then accelerating to pass on right line, letting snails sleeping on left line.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2533581]Last 50 posts, found zero hooker reviews.[/QUOTE]Maybe you'll have some more chance if you scan the last 500.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2533591]Had a patient who had been in the same hospital room for one month straight; during that month, even with Noninvasive 100% oxygen support, he could not move more than 3 meters from his bed. He was never intubated, no Intravenous sedation meds, very limited visitors, liquid food for one month, required nurses to wipe his shit every time he had to poop (on a hospital bed). He was a 2 meter, 130 kg, 55 year old man. Last week he dropped his jello on the ground. The guy started crying uncontrollably for an hour. It was a complete mental breakdown. As evident with some of these rants, hospitalization and confinement are not necessary for similar mental breakdowns during this pandemic. On a positive note, the man was finally discharged home today to his wife and daughter.[/QUOTE]Very good news fot him, his wife and daughter, but maybe 130 kgs didn't help him? Don't medicals say weight is a problem for health? When I know weight is handicap for dynamic, as I learned at school when I was a child, this for me, for cars, for bicycle.
In Western Europe, when we saw what happened in Portugal under UK mutant, but we should have more UK mutant cases than Chinese on March to come, Germany and Spain forbidding UK, when after Wengen. Ch cluster after ski on Christmas and new year, then they had to close, but now they welcome virus in Saint Moritz and Davos with tourists from all over the world, some north Americans, Asians, Europeans, Switzerland being everything for money cluster in the middle of western Europe.
Funny, Russia is proud about sputnik, but Russians don't trust to take, when they know Putin ex KGB lies, when KGB and CIA could compete to fuck citizens.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2533581]Last 50 posts, found zero hooker reviews.[/QUOTE]Read your last 600 posts and no relevant posts whatsoever. It's interesting how you come to this site to pick fights. Typical troll behavior.
You should stop being lazy and start reading.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2533686]Maybe you'll have some more chance if you scan the last 500.[/QUOTE]Are you talking about yourself now or what LMFAO!
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2533750]Very good news fot him, his wife and daughter, but maybe 130 kgs didn't help him? Don't medicals say weight is a problem for health? When I know weight is handicap for dynamic, as I learned at school when I was a child, this for me, for cars, for bicycle.
In Western Europe, when we saw what happened in Portugal under UK mutant, but we should have more UK mutant cases than Chinese on March to come, Germany and Spain forbidding UK, when after Wengen. Ch cluster after ski on Christmas and new year, then they had to close, but now they welcome virus in Saint Moritz and Davos with tourists from all over the world, some north Americans, Asians, Europeans, Switzerland being everything for money cluster in the middle of western Europe.
Funny, Russia is proud about sputnik, but Russians don't trust to take, when they know Putin ex KGB lies, when KGB and CIA could compete to fuck citizens.[/QUOTE]Read again and try to figure the main idea of the passage.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2533686]Maybe you'll have some more chance if you scan the last 500.[/QUOTE]Managed to skim his last 100. He basically only posts on the non mongering special topics sub forums. He did manage to troll the Colombian sub forum though. Wonder what brought him there? Kids say the darnest things.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2533806]Read again and try to figure the main idea of the passage.[/QUOTE]Evil Switzerland?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2533591]Had a patient who had been in the same hospital room for one month straight; during that month, even with Noninvasive 100% oxygen support, he could not move more than 3 meters from his bed. He was never intubated, no Intravenous sedation meds, very limited visitors, liquid food for one month, required nurses to wipe his shit every time he had to poop (on a hospital bed). He was a 2 meter, 130 kg, 55 year old man. Last week he dropped his jello on the ground. The guy started crying uncontrollably for an hour. It was a complete mental breakdown. As evident with some of these rants, hospitalization and confinement are not necessary for similar mental breakdowns during this pandemic. On a positive note, the man was finally discharged home today to his wife and daughter.[/QUOTE]You know there will be some self righteous asshole that thinks they are a superior being to other mere earthlings, that will reply to this. They will reveal their total lack of grace and etiquette, hinting at a false humanity and compassion in one breath and in the next blaming the patient for their inferior health. I thought that etiquette was of French origin but it seems not to be a national trait. Let's see if we can set a higher standard.
I'm happy for you and your patient. It make me happy to hear their condition has improved to a level where they were able to be released and rejoin their family at home.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2533080]Are you schizophrenic, or why are you referring to yourself as "we"?
[/QUOTE]This has been ongoing for years here now. Mursenary / Takedown / Phallus Maximus / and 2-3 other nicknames. Those are the 'we's' he is referring to. All operated by the same person using VPN.
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[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2533557]I don't see this happening. It is total chaos, randomly flung about pharmacies, counties, states, doctors and whatever, most have broken web pages that require registration and excludes illegal immigrants because they cannot exist because the management consultants and their flow diagram assumptions are perfect. It's supposed to be free, but in typical fashion there are footnote, daggers and asterix that requires cash to be paid or insurance. I just checked one site, no appointment through 2023 ! USA is a pigs breakfast. It's not going to happen any time soon or at all.
I don't see how airlines will survive or much of the economy. And the stats don't lie. This is an older baby boomer disease; over 64 is 85% mortality and / or the obese or diabetes. Their one last selfish act on their way out. Pricks.[/QUOTE]Yet you fail to understand how the pandemic is a cover-up to take the blame for the collapse of the current capitalistic currencies around the world. Especially the usd.
It is also an attempt to reduce world population, as has been studied to death by professors who consult the real world leaders since the 1970's. Back then the world's carrying capacity was at about 3 billion. I expect that figure has risen since then. But it is still below 5 billion. Meaning we are soon 3 billion too many. But who needs to go? A pandemic is one efficient way there. Besides, we can just make mutant viruses as we go along and while the stupid masses get their annual poison injections. Either giving them auto immune diseases, increased toxicity, upholds their immune system or a combination of all. In addition to side effects related to cocktail effects. Cocktail effects stemming from the 300+ poisons the same secret societies have managed to inject into our every day lives. From cock shrinking PFC's in frying pans and furniture (something I bet Mursenary has eaten a lot of since he refuses to believe in 'conspiracies' LOL) to sperm killing sulfur dioxide basically coating all non-organic fruit and vegetables. And the happy masses still think there cannot be any such thing as a conspiracy. We are all just happy little cute nice people aren't we? With no bad intentions. Especially people in power. Right?
Some links:
[URL]https://www.ladbible.com/news/interesting-non-stick-pans-linked-to-smaller-penises-20181205?fbclid=IwAR0xFQSXo8o1sZtw6ruSG4KptSEvxlEUPMzwexiIEA95N1IrkbBJ7EWVazI[/URL]
[URL]https://cen.acs.org/articles/95/web/2017/10/Sulfur-dioxide-pollution-tied-degraded-sperm-quality.html?fbclid=IwAR0xFQSXo8o1sZtw6ruSG4KptSEvxlEUPMzwexiIEA95N1IrkbBJ7EWVazI[/URL]
P.S. This is just the top of the iceberg. I have bucketloads of information related to most of the 300+ toxins injected into our every day lives for one reason only: population reduction. But this was just a quick post. Happy wanking guys!
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The new 50 is 35. Errr, make that 10!
As I've explained before, the benchmark that the federal German government uses is a threshold of 50 positive PCR tests per 100.000 inhabitants over the last 7 days. This is called the "Inzidenzwert" in German, or loosely translated, the incident value.
Is the Inzidenzwert 50 then lockdown measures will be taken like closing gyms, bars, restaurants, cinemas, so a logical conclusion would be that if this falls below 50, then things can be relaxed and reopened a little bit, right? No wrong, because the German government has already quietly lowered this value to 35, because obviously not enough companies are bankrupt yet.
Well, for all the lockdown fanboys, the face-rag-wearing Cov-idiots, the vaccine-hopers, and for the impotent losers who never want to visit FKK clubs again, there is even better news!
A few weeks ago this was of course "just a right wing conspiracy theory" and "fake news from anti-vaxxers" but now Jens Spahn, the German health minister, is openly talking about lowering this 'Incident value' to 10! This more or less guarantees permanent lockdowns! Halleluja!
[URL]https://www.merkur.de/politik/coronavirus-deutschland-lockdown-merkel-stufenplan-sport-kultur-news-aktuell-90212501.html[/URL]
[QUOTE]Spahn wischt Lockerungspläne bei Seite: „Geht halt gerade nicht“ - Minister will jetzt Inzidenz 10[/QUOTE]'Spahn whisks aside reopening plans: "not appropriate now" Minister wants an Incident value of 10. ' (my translation).
And from the Bayrische Rundfunk: [URL]https://www.br.de/nachrichten/deutschland-welt/zeit-fuer-lockerungen-debatte-ueber-corona-oeffnungsplan-geht-weiter[/URL], SPftLoG.
[QUOTE]"Inzidenz unter 10 weit weg": Debatte über Öffnungsplan[/QUOTE]'Incident value of 10 far away: debate about reopening plan. ' (my translation).
Well good luck guys! Looks like another year jerking off to porn, spending fortunes on sugardaddy websites, or paying for overpriced escorts!
Communism 2. 0 here we come! Everybody bankrupt, the State owns everything, and long live the Covid19-84 Police State!
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2533605]At ht96: on the other hand the autobahns are free in Germany, not in France. And the bureaucracy of Germany couldn't be slower than the French one.[/QUOTE]Elections in September this year, let's wait what plans the neo-communists ('greens' and the SPD) will come up with. They have been pushing for years to have a speed limit, and hey, if we're 'lucky' they might also throw in an even more strict prostitution law like in Sweden! (of course all in the name of "public health," "protecting women" and "road safety."
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P. S. For all the face-rag wearing Cov-idiots, this how 'important' Merkel's CDU party masks are: [URL]https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/news/parteitag-der-cdu-100-menschen-ohne-maske-in-einem-raum-li.141482[/URL].
More than 100 people in a room during a CDU party meeting, all without face masks! 'Masks for thee, but not for me,' or as George Orwell wrote: "all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."
Politicians wining and dining on the taxpayer's expense, and all that while normal business are going bankrupt and people are locked inside their houses!
This is how 'deadly' Covid19 and all the "English mutation" is! / sarc.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2533871]Managed to skim his last 100. He basically only posts on the non mongering special topics sub forums. He did manage to troll the Colombian sub forum though. Wonder what brought him there? Kids say the darnest things.[/QUOTE]There was a lot of Covid disputes on the "Stupid Shit in Medellin" thread. He picked up the scent and set up camp. He's certainly never set foot in Colombia.
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Reality check
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2533557]I don't see this happening. It is total chaos, randomly flung about pharmacies, counties, states, doctors and whatever, most have broken web pages that require registration and excludes illegal immigrants because they cannot exist because the management consultants and their flow diagram assumptions are perfect. It's supposed to be free, but in typical fashion there are footnote, daggers and asterix that requires cash to be paid or insurance. I just checked one site, no appointment through 2023 ! USA is a pigs breakfast. It's not going to happen any time soon or at all.[/QUOTE]How about some composure as we go through the bumps in the road of distribution to over 200 million people.
1.8 million doses are being given per day in the United States and is increasing. The rate was 1. 5 million per day the previous week. Currently, 13% of the population has already been given their first dose during a time where the pool of eligible recipients were limited to only elderly, at risk, and frontline workers. The pool of eligible recipients is being expanded as the weeks go by.
Previously, only hospitals and health departments were administering the vaccine. Now the retail pharmacies and private practice offices are administering them also.
While the previous administration did nothing to aid distribution, the current administration has been more proactive in his initial month in office tripling vaccination rates since taking office. As supply increases and the eligible pool is expanded to the general population, FEMA and the National Guard will be deployed to set up mobile vaccination clinics.
Johnson and Johnson's single dose vaccine which will not require extreme cold storage will likely be approved this week and begin administration next week. This will ease logistics of distribution and increase compliance.
At the same time, the Defense Production Act is to be implemented to increase production of vaccines and supplies.
[URL]https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/01/28/960901166/how-is-the-covid-19-vaccination-campaign-going-in-your-state[/URL]
At current vaccination rates, we're predicted to reach the 60% threshold by August and 75% by September. That rate is predicted to double in the upcoming month even before factoring the Johnson and Johnson supply and ease of distribution logistics it will bring. Best case estimates to threshold, although unlikely to go without some speed bumps, is Late May or June. But even before herd immunity is reached, transmission rates will continue to decline barring any super mutation events.
[URL]https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/01/28/960901166/how-is-the-covid-19-vaccination-campaign-going-in-your-state[/URL]
[QUOTE=PahllusMaximus;2533557]excludes illegal immigrants because they cannot exist
[/QUOTE]Citizenship and legal status documentation is not a requirement for vaccination, at least not as a general rule. Their personal fears are another matter. In fact, public health officials advocate for the higher need to vaccinate undocumented immigrants due to their High risk positions as essential workers.
We all know that large democracies are less efficient, lack standardization, and are often times incompetent. There are already enough bat brains spewing unverifiable garbage on here, no need to add to their attempts to spread more paranoia and cynicism.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2533983]Elections in September this year, let's wait what plans the neo-communists ('greens' and the SPD) will come up with. They have been pushing for years to have a speed limit[/QUOTE]It would be a not so bad thing since some psychos tend to mistake autobahns for a racing track.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2534014] He's certainly never set foot in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Nor in Germany.
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[QUOTE=Chongmal;2533938]You know there will be some self righteous asshole that thinks they are a superior being to other mere earthlings, that will reply to this. They will reveal their total lack of grace and etiquette, hinting at a false humanity and compassion in one breath and in the next blaming the patient for their inferior health. I thought that etiquette was of French origin but it seems not to be a national trait. Let's see if we can set a higher standard.
I'm happy for you and your patient. It make me happy to hear their condition has improved to a level where they were able to be released and rejoin their family at home.[/QUOTE]With the couple of rather strange French and Swedish representatives, if I am the single American offender, I think we're doing pretty good!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2534029]At current vaccination rates, we're predicted to reach the 60% threshold by August and 75% by September.[/QUOTE]Well, congratulations! The US has always been very good in poisoning themselves (legal drugs, illegal drugs, garbage nutrition, GMO foods) and rates at the bottom for as far as life expectancy and obesity goes in the 1st world. Just compare the US numbers to Japan, northern Europe and Scandinavia!
Please explain how US vaccination rates will this help open German FKK clubs? Will German FKK clubs start featuring fat American WGs instead of curvy Romanians? LOL!
Or are you just promoting the 'vaccine' because that's your 'job?' Question for 'doctor' Mercenary (someone who is for hire): "Does your doctor get money from drug companies?" [URL]https://youtu.be/WWMh3spivGc[/URL].
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2534029]There are already enough bat brains spewing unverifiable garbage on here, no need to add to their attempts to spread more paranoia and cynicism.[/QUOTE]Just show us the long term trials of the "vaccines."
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2534014]There was a lot of Covid disputes on the "Stupid Shit in Medellin" thread. He picked up the scent and set up camp. He's certainly never set foot in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Stop self projecting, one of us visited Colombia several times before COVID-19 and it's not you.
You're a troll who only posts derogatory comments against other members. You've never been abroad and you've never made a trip report.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2534053]Nor in Germany.[/QUOTE]Unlike you I have actually been to Germany and the FKK: s several times and posted trip reports.
Your just a worthless little troll.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2533871]Managed to skim his last 100. He basically only posts on the non mongering special topics sub forums. He did manage to troll the Colombian sub forum though. Wonder what brought him there? Kids say the darnest things.[/QUOTE]You've never posted a trip report, why? Because you're just another worthless troll.
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Time to ban the trolls
It's time to ban trolls like Fredo, bigtroll and nursenary. They are a bunch trolls addicted of posting derogatory comments against contributing members while they never write anything related to the purpose of this forum. Probably because they've never been outside their basement.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2534060]Well, congratulations! The US has always been very good in poisoning themselves (legal drugs, illegal drugs, garbage nutrition, GMO foods) and rates at the bottom for as far as life expectancy and obesity goes in the 1st world. Just compare the US numbers to Japan, northern Europe and Scandinavia![/QUOTE]Gilbaltar, Israel, and UAE are all outpacing the US in vaccinations.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2534060]Please explain how US vaccination rates will this help open German FKK clubs? Will German FKK clubs start featuring fat American WGs instead of curvy Romanians? LOL! [/QUOTE]No idea, but two other people were speaking about the American situation because we're interesting in improving our situation here in order to be eligible to visit German FKKs in the future, even if that's not before 2022 according to your predictions. (Still have that post filed away).
Anyway, there are still more attractive people of all ethnicities living in the US than there total people in boring, homogeneous Sweden. Simple math really.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2534060]Or are you just promoting the 'vaccine' because that's your 'job?' Question for 'doctor' Mercenary (someone who is for hire): "Does your doctor get money from drug companies?" [URL]https://youtu.be/WWMh3spivGc[/URL].[/QUOTE]I work in emergency medicine and critical care so I don't know much about the finances of vaccination. I gave someone a tetanus shot once though. Unfortunately I was not compensated extra for doing so.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2534060]Just show us the long term trials of the "vaccines."[/QUOTE]Sure, as soon as you show causative proof of autoimmune and DNA altering effects from mRNA vaccines. Still waiting a month later.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2533983]Elections in September this year, let's wait what plans the neo-communists ('greens' and the SPD) will come up with. They have been pushing for years to have a speed limit, and hey, if we're 'lucky' they might also throw in an even more strict prostitution law like in Sweden! (of course all in the name of "public health," "protecting women" and "road safety."[/QUOTE]Already not anymore so many free speed zones in Germany, more and more limited to 120/130. On average, I drive much faster in Italy. When new Audi had engine problems, on last Summer, old one with 550 000 kms for engine, nearly 500 000 in 5 years, was 20 km / h faster than Audi tests, but with 50% improved power with Shiftech and longer time for injectors and higher turbo pressure, my good work. Now Audi changed engine on new one when I proved them, look forward testing cleaning German autobahns, with 65 power more, to reach German cars speed limit, race karting, easy when you are used to speed, they your mind and eyes are relax. Maybe more sensations than brothels.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2534084]Sure, as soon as you show causative proof of autoimmune and DNA altering effects from mRNA vaccines. Still waiting a month later.[/QUOTE]There of course is no such proof thus Hammer Time got caught talking out of his ass. He needs to find someone in Sweden to sell him some pussy so he doesn't have to spend so much time every day venting his anger in a monger forum.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2534084]Anyway, there are still more attractive people of all ethnicities living in the US than there total people in boring, homogeneous Sweden. Simple math really.[/QUOTE]Too damned cold there. Give me Florida any day, with plenty of access to beaches and live NFL, NBA, and MLB games. It's also only a three hour plane ride to Colombia.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2534084]homogeneous Sweden. Simple math really.[/QUOTE]Homogenous Sweden? You should google The Stockholm Syndrome. Sweden is anything but homogenous. Most other Europeans have jokes on the swedes because they have this instinctual feminist love of being violated, abused and raped by immigrants from war torn countries. Basically, there is is common gene in Sweden giving most of the population what is known as The Stockholm Syndrome.
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When one here claims everything going better, but Biden cried yesterday for now more than 500000 deaths and not finished, when not really knowing for illegals nor millions without insurance, when rich Texas fell under cold with no water. Compare to optimistic statistics put here, real figures are just sad for me. UK is far over 100000 deaths, they spread mutant all over Western Europe, helped by everything for money Switzerland cluster in the middle of EU, so now we have more UK mutant new cases than the original one. Of course, can t blame Germany to try to protect, forbidding UK like Spain, or thinking to close inside EU borders, or thinking about sputnik when not enough vaccine. Like for everything and in brothels, I always prefer real facts and figures, rather than beautiful draws, when I think Biden told only about 400000 on superbowl not long ago, meaning 100 000 more deaths very fast, when 4000 on some days. But of course, can only wish for less deaths, and maybe a bit of ski if Italy open on April.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2533950]This has been ongoing for years here now. Mursenary / Takedown / Phallus Maximus / and 2-3 other nicknames. Those are the 'we's' he is referring to. All operated by the same person using VPN.[/QUOTE]Does that make you Apolynon, the great conspirator of multiple profiles? As I predicted the actual person with multiple profiles. We must protect the sanctity and value of this forum from the crazy dangerous poster. If you encounter him in the club exercise extreme caution. We have utilized top level analysis to conclude some 20 plus profiles created and controlled by the same individual. The phraseology, cadence, punctuation and grammar make it easy and obvious to ascertain who is a clone. Fuck this fake profile bullshit and the horse it rode in on.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2534060]Well, congratulations! The US has always been very good in poisoning themselves (legal drugs, illegal drugs, garbage nutrition, GMO foods) ...[/QUOTE]Well I live in the US and do not do illegal drugs but most likely do all the others. As long as the girl is hot I can easily get it up so I'm good.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2533983]Elections in September this year, let's wait what plans the neo-communists ('greens' and the SPD) will come up with. They have been pushing for years to have a speed limit, and hey, if we're 'lucky' they might also throw in an even more strict prostitution law like in Sweden! (of course all in the name of "public health," "protecting women" and "road safety."[/QUOTE]Should we blame communism for strict anti-prostitution? When Russia, Cuba and China were at the height of their communism phase the mongering was very good. Look at the state of prostitution in the worlds number one capitalist country!
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2534071]It's time to ban trolls like Fredo, bigtroll and nursenary. They are a bunch trolls addicted of posting derogatory comments against contributing members while they never write anything related to the purpose of this forum. Probably because they've never been outside their basement.[/QUOTE]LOL, one of the most insulting least contributing of useful information members of this site calling for the ban of accounts just like his. Just stop responding with insults and they leave you alone. Stop reading them and they don't bother you.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2534060]Just show us the long term trials of the "vaccines."[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mursenary;2534084]Sure, as soon as you show causative proof of autoimmune and DNA altering effects from mRNA vaccines. Still waiting a month later.[/QUOTE]The answer to any possible long term side effects lies in long term testing, and since no long term testing was conducted, we simply don't know. That has been my point all this time, but you continue to gaslight me.
Show me one post where I stated that there is "proof" that there are autoimmune and DNA altering effects from mRNA vaccines! We simply don't know and the current "vaccines" are only 'approved' under an "Emergency Use Authorization" which allows manufacturers to skip steps in the approval process.
[URL]https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained[/URL]
But don't worry, the FDA and Big Pharma say that the vaccines "have been rigorously tested," just like the FAA and Boeing said that the 737 MAX was "safe to fly" when it first came out. / sarc.
Have you ever heard of the "corrupt revolving door" between regulators and big corporations?
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2534084]Gilbaltar, Israel, and UAE are all outpacing the US in vaccinations.
[/QUOTE]Again: so? Who cares who is first? What matters is that Germany is in full lockdown and that there is no end in sight. Have you read my posts about Germany and the so-called 'Inzidenzwert?' Or did you simply decide to ignore those posts, for the sake of promoting 'your' vaccine and to twist my words around regarding any *possible* long term DNA altering and autoimmune side effects?
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After yesterday's UK Government announcements regarding the timetable of easing restrictions everybody is talking about foreign travel & holidays for 2021.
There are various different schedules, March, all children back to school. April, Gyms & hairdressers to open with pubs & restaurants to open outdoors. May pubs / restaurants to open inside etc etc etc.
The Government is reporting back on 15th April regarding how foreign travel will work, IE vaccine passports etc.
However If all goes according to the plan. LOL! Normality should resume on 21st June.
It does help the UK with 18 million people already vaccinated and numerous data studies clearly showing that vaccinations not only protect people from being seriously ill and dying but also reduces transmissions. That applies to both Pfizer & Oxford AZ.
Despite an appalling death rate in the UK the Government has eventually done something right with the fast vaccine roll out, it's already organizing "one off" booster vaccine shots for autumn / winter for virus variants.
So once Europe quickly sorts out its vaccination programme life should return to some sort of normality. Then FKK Clubs can reopen Yipeeeeee!
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[QUOTE=Canary;2534310]
So once Europe quickly sorts out its vaccination programme life should return to some sort of normality. Then FKK Clubs can reopen Yipeeeeee![/QUOTE]UK is in Europe.
Anyway,
I'm not sure borders will open that easily and it will most likely be intra-EU first. Let's see if Saudis, Nigerians, Mexicans, Brits and others can visit Germany this year. I don't think it's clearcut just yet.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2533951]Yet you fail to understand how the pandemic is a cover-up to take the blame for the collapse of the current capitalistic currencies around the world. Especially the usd.
[/QUOTE]Britain maybe because they need to hide the effects of Brexit. Other countries not so much.
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[QUOTE=Canary;2534310]After yesterday's UK Government announcements regarding the timetable of easing restrictions everybody is talking about foreign travel & holidays for 2021.
There are various different schedules, March, all children back to school. April, Gyms & hairdressers to open with pubs & restaurants to open outdoors. May pubs / restaurants to open inside etc etc etc.
The Government is reporting back on 15th April regarding how foreign travel will work, IE vaccine passports etc.
However If all goes according to the plan. LOL! Normality should resume on 21st June.
It does help the UK with 18 million people already vaccinated and numerous data studies clearly showing that vaccinations not only protect people from being seriously ill and dying but also reduces transmissions. That applies to both Pfizer & Oxford AZ.
Despite an appalling death rate in the UK the Government has eventually done something right with the fast vaccine roll out, it's already organizing "one off" booster vaccine shots for autumn / winter for virus variants.
So once Europe quickly sorts out its vaccination programme life should return to some sort of normality. Then FKK Clubs can reopen Yipeeeeee![/QUOTE]What I modestly learned from the covid crisis is that no prediction is working, who was speaking in June 20 about the British variant, yes the vaccine are working but not against all the variants and probably not against the new variant that will come in the next months. Most of the normal flue, and other virus or bacteria related diseases have drastically reduces since the implementation of the mass hand washing, social distancing, mask. But we have to admit that it is not.
Working against the spread of the covid.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2534303]The answer to any possible long term side effects lies in long term testing, and since no long term testing was conducted, we simply don't know. That has been my point all this time, but you continue to gaslight me.
Show me one post where I stated that there is "proof" that there are autoimmune and DNA altering effects from mRNA vaccines! We simply don't know and the current "vaccines" are only 'approved' under an "Emergency Use Authorization" which allows manufacturers to skip steps in the approval process.
[URL]https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained[/URL]
But don't worry, the FDA and Big Pharma say that the vaccines "have been rigorously tested," just like the FAA and Boeing said that the 737 MAX was "safe to fly" when it first came out. / sarc.
Have you ever heard of the "corrupt revolving door" between regulators and big corporations?
Again: so? Who cares who is first? What matters is that Germany is in full lockdown and that there is no end in sight. Have you read my posts about Germany and the so-called 'Inzidenzwert?' Or did you simply decide to ignore those posts, for the sake of promoting 'your' vaccine and to twist my words around regarding any *possible* long term DNA altering and autoimmune side effects?[/QUOTE]You seem like to make a lot of predictions based on selective maybes. Not my style. We'll just part ways here.
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[QUOTE=Chongmal;2534302]LOL, one of the most insulting least contributing of useful information members of this site calling for the ban of accounts just like his. Just stop responding with insults and they leave you alone. Stop reading them and they don't bother you.[/QUOTE]Oh look at that, another troll account showed up. It would be much better if you told your troll friends to stop polluting this forum with their endless tirades of irrelevant nonsense and derogatory comments. I won't back down to worthless bullies like you and your other troll accounts.
You can stop talking me now, or not. I don't really care nor will I be silenced by trolls like you.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2534111]Homogenous Sweden? You should google The Stockholm Syndrome. Sweden is anything but homogenous. Most other Europeans have jokes on the swedes because they have this instinctual feminist love of being violated, abused and raped by immigrants from war torn countries. Basically, there is is common gene in Sweden giving most of the population what is known as The Stockholm Syndrome.[/QUOTE]That's very much correct, unlike Nursenary you actually know what you're talking about.
Nursenary is a worthless narcissist.
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[QUOTE=Canary;2534310]After yesterday's UK Government announcements regarding the timetable of easing restrictions everybody is talking about foreign travel & holidays for 2021.
There are various different schedules, March, all children back to school. April, Gyms & hairdressers to open with pubs & restaurants to open outdoors. May pubs / restaurants to open inside etc etc etc.
The Government is reporting back on 15th April regarding how foreign travel will work, IE vaccine passports etc.
However If all goes according to the plan. LOL! Normality should resume on 21st June.
It does help the UK with 18 million people already vaccinated and numerous data studies clearly showing that vaccinations not only protect people from being seriously ill and dying but also reduces transmissions. That applies to both Pfizer & Oxford AZ.
Despite an appalling death rate in the UK the Government has eventually done something right with the fast vaccine roll out, it's already organizing "one off" booster vaccine shots for autumn / winter for virus variants.
So once Europe quickly sorts out its vaccination programme life should return to some sort of normality. Then FKK Clubs can reopen Yipeeeeee![/QUOTE]At the moment, UK are forbidden in Germany and Spain. I wonder how so many tourists from all over the world could reach Swiss Grisons in rich Saint Moritz and Davos. Are they flying?
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[QUOTE=Chongmal;2534302]LOL, one of the most insulting least contributing of useful information members of this site calling for the ban of accounts just like his. Just stop responding with insults and they leave you alone. Stop reading them and they don't bother you.[/QUOTE]Baby ShoeTroll is crying to get some attention because his internet mommies don't care about him anymore.
The ignore function works perfectly fine on him, too bad he still doesn't get how it works.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2534218]When one here claims everything going better, but Biden cried yesterday for now more than 500000 deaths and not finished, when not really knowing for illegals nor millions without insurance, when rich Texas fell under cold with no water. Compare to optimistic statistics put here, real figures are just sad for me. UK is far over 100000 deaths, they spread mutant all over Western Europe, helped by everything for money Switzerland cluster in the middle of EU, so now we have more UK mutant new cases than the original one. Of course, can t blame Germany to try to protect, forbidding UK like Spain, or thinking to close inside EU borders, or thinking about sputnik when not enough vaccine. Like for everything and in brothels, I always prefer real facts and figures, rather than beautiful draws, when I think Biden told only about 400000 on superbowl not long ago, meaning 100 000 more deaths very fast, when 4000 on some days. But of course, can only wish for less deaths, and maybe a bit of ski if Italy open on April.[/QUOTE]Real figures? You mean the ones put out by WHO, CDC, and EU CDC? By drawings you mean graphs that plot data? How strange to not understand how plotted data works.
For someone who likes fast cars and driving dangerously, I figured incidence curves would tap into some understanding of velocity and acceleration of case rates.
[URL]https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/de/[/URL]
American deaths on Superbowl Sunday (7. Feb) was 480 K. It is now 510 K. That's 30 K, quite a bit less than 100 K. Real facts and figures:
[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2534084]Gilbaltar, Israel, and UAE are all outpacing the US in vaccinations.
[/QUOTE]Considering the size of the country I think US is doing a good job with vaccinations. UK too. Encouraging numbers from Israel, first studies will come out showing that the vaccines prevent not only hospitalizations but also transmission. Probably by the end of the year travel and other activities will be possible for people who can show the right QR code on an app on their phone.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2534218] and maybe a bit of ski if Italy open on April.[/QUOTE]I guess it's not so terrible to live in Switzerland, ski season was great so far without the tourist masses. For example, on Tuesday morning when I woke up I decided to take a day off work and go ski. Before 10 am I was on the slopes.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2534356]You seem like to make a lot of predictions based on selective maybes. Not my style. We'll just part ways here.[/QUOTE]Well said. Paranoid monger forum conspiracy theory peddlers aren't worth your time. Of course some proof to back up his claims would be interesting, but he's already admitted that he doesn't have any, so, that's that. If you were sitting at the bar in a club and he was next to you squawking his Chicken Little nonsense absent any proof, how long would you engage before you went to find another seat? Wink. He'll find a new sounding board soon enough.
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You're becoming really picky. Professor Xavier from the UK is sending all of his mutants to conquer Europe (or maybe Magneto I'm not so sure), evil Switzerland prepares itself for world domination with chocolate and watches, the cumulative number of deaths still increases in USA, Romania lost one third of his population because of the pimps, that's checked facts!
Oh and I forgot: Sweden has defeated the virus in August!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2534412]Real figures? You mean the ones put out by WHO, CDC, and EU CDC? By drawings you mean graphs that plot data? How strange to not understand how plotted data works.
For someone who likes fast cars and driving dangerously, I figured incidence curves would tap into some understanding of velocity and acceleration of case rates.
[URL]https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/de/[/URL]
American deaths on Superbowl Sunday (7. Feb) was 480 K. It is now 510 K. That's 30 K, quite a bit less than 100 K. Real facts and figures:
[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/[/URL][/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure Biden told about only 400.000 on superbowl when old Brady taught how to play to others, but he should not drink so much. But when I m not afraid of speed, sliding over quattro and super soft tires grip even on dry track, jumping to free ride among rocks or between crevaces even I'm very careful in these spots, maybe why I m not dead yet after so many years, about 30 years of extreme runs, when starting at 20 yo with what were called rodeo girl cars, H3 E21 improved, then RS500 Cosworth improved on 964 turbo power, when 964 was the last real one, with engine refreshed by air, but never crashed anybody but only me alone, but I m more scared, when we fight now versus mutants in Western Europe, France will go to 100 000 deaths, after UK, on 2021 which will kill more than 2020, when not enough vaccine in EU. If I could leave my work field, but I have to go daily to check safety, when I need so much to go in my mountains, to fly closer to the sky. As soon Italy open, I will make a scratch run through mountains, to go to fly like a free bird I am.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2534356]You seem like to make a lot of predictions based on selective maybes. Not my style. We'll just part ways here.[/QUOTE]Hahaha, ah yes of course. You get challenged to show us the long term vaccine tests, and you get challenged with the current facts on the ground in Germany, and then you quickly resort to an aloof: "we'll just part ways here."
Typical for people who support the political mainstream narrative: when confronted with inconvenient questions, arguments and facts: then just attack the messenger by gas lighting and trolling.
P.S. For a 'doctor' who allegedly works in an ER, you seem to have a lot of time on your hands for posting here. I thought you doctors and nurses were "so busy fighting Covid19-84" and ERs get flooded with patients? [URL]https://youtu.be/yhUAJRYA3bk[/URL].
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2534339]who was speaking in June 20 about the British variant, yes the vaccine are working but not against all the variants and probably not against the new variant that will come in the next months.[/QUOTE]1: As I stated the June 20th date (when UK hopes to return to some sort of normality) was from the UK Government (PM Johnson).
Finally the UK Government are complying with the advice of scientists & the data flow.
2: The vaccines currently available in the UK are all working against all the variants. Hospitalisations & deaths for those who.
Have taken the vaccine have been drastically reduced.
3: No one knows, not even the experts about new variants however UK scientists are confident that the current working vaccines.
Can be "tweaked " to accommodate & reduce the effects of new variants.
The AZ vaccine has been declared unreliable by various EU government's & medical people when new data continues to emerge of its success. In Scotland 95% reduction of hospitalisations for those who've taken AZ.
However there would now be a battle to convince EU citizens of its safeness & effectiveness after high profile incorrect criticism. Even today a German high ranking health minister was trying to convince his citizens of the safety in using AZ.
How ironic that the EU were recently enraged with AZ and the UK regarding lack of AZ vaccine supply but now due to incorrect public statements about it (especially President Macron) EU citizens are rejecting the vaccine.
The only reason I bother to post on this subject is I read so much doom & gloom on here and not all of it is actually factually correct.
Whether people don't believe in the vaccines or don't want the Pfizer or AZ is entirely their personal choice but they do need to be careful where they get their information from to arrive at a decision.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2534405]Baby ShoeTroll is crying to get some attention because his internet mommies don't care about him anymore.
The ignore function works perfectly fine on him, too bad he still doesn't get how it works.[/QUOTE]LOL! The bigtroll is still crying and obsessing over me because I corrected him when he falsely claimed that Sweden had a lockdown because the museums were closed. LMFAO! This forum is full of French morons.
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[QUOTE=Canary;2534560]1: As I stated the June 20th date (when UK hopes to return to some sort of normality) was from the UK Government (PM Johnson).
Finally the UK Government are complying with the advice of scientists & the data flow.
2: The vaccines currently available in the UK are all working against all the variants. Hospitalisations & deaths for those who.
Have taken the vaccine have been drastically reduced.
3: No one knows, not even the experts about new variants however UK scientists are confident that the current working vaccines.
Can be "tweaked " to accommodate & reduce the effects of new variants.
The AZ vaccine has been declared unreliable by various EU government's & medical people when new data continues to emerge of its success..[/QUOTE]Nobody is able to predict the future of this pandemy, the crowd needs positive infuse so give them the vaccine to eat. The coming months will demonstrate how efficient the vaccine are, Pfister and co are already testing new formulation why if the current one is so efficient? 1 year back I was described as a very negative and pessimistic guy when I was saying this pandemic will take years to be solved, today the situation is worse than even I could imagine and obviously many mongers on this forum ere saying normal life will be back mid of 2020. I believe in the vaccine but I believe also that the virus is always mutating by principal and that the the Pfister and Moderna vaccine are mostly targeting the spike protein which is a challenging approach in case of important mutation.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2534503]I guess it's not so terrible to live in Switzerland, ski season was great so far without the tourist masses. For example, on Tuesday morning when I woke up I decided to take a day off work and go ski. Before 10 am I was on the slopes.[/QUOTE]You can't imagine how I loved so beautiful Wallis where I spent my youth best part for nearly all my holidays, about 2 months for 10 years, I learned more ski there than in France, even I turned to free ride after 18 yo in France. I remember when in Summer we slept in mountains. But I discovered behind the curtain, like drugs business, being informed by Albanians, and I will never forgive how they treated me. Even more difficult to reach, but now I prefer to go to Breuil. It than Zermatt, I could only make exception to break my runs records in Verbier, I will think if I can reach from Aosta, I m sure on this way, no one will follow me. I wonder what happen in Saint Moritz or Davos which are out of control after Wengen, not same laws for rich.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2534548]I'm pretty sure Biden told about only 400.000 on superbowl when old Brady taught how to play to others, but he should not drink so much.
but I m more scared, when we fight now versus mutants in Western Europe, France will go to 100 000 deaths, after UK, on 2021 which will kill more than 2020, when not enough vaccine in EU.[/QUOTE]Numbers say differently, 478 K American deaths on 6. February:
[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Canary;2534560]1: As I stated the June 20th date (when UK hopes to return to some sort of normality) was from the UK Government (PM Johnson).
Finally the UK Government are complying with the advice of scientists & the data flow.
2: The vaccines currently available in the UK are all working against all the variants. Hospitalisations & deaths for those who.
Have taken the vaccine have been drastically reduced.
3: No one knows, not even the experts about new variants however UK scientists are confident that the current working vaccines..[/QUOTE]Thanks for adding one more to Team Reasonable and Rational. My optimism is that the cool heads are the ones who remain silent. They are certainly wiser people than me. It's cool, the situation in the US and UK are much improved and I too share in your optimism. For all reasons that led to the EU states lagging behind on vaccinations, it seems that they are ramping up efforts. The rising cases in Eastern Europe gives me some pause but that situation will just need to be monitored. Germany did a good job addressing it pretty early so hopefully their partial Eastern border closer in combination with Europe's traffic light approach for inter EU travel will assure that Western Europe does not see too much of a bump in cases. My hope is that we'll continue winding down these cases, while putting out any brushfires as I'm sure some speed bumps will arise over the upcoming months.
I hold some reservations that as we approach critical mass in vaccinations, say 50%, that the pool of willing recipients of the vaccine will shrink, slowing down vaccination rates. Another issue may be as cases dwindle, younger and healthy people will delay their efforts to get vaccinated. There has to be a concerted effort to make getting the vaccine as effortless as possible as the slow appointment system will easily deter personal efforts. In my city, FEMA (Disaster response agency) and the National Guard has set up a drive through vaccination clinic. As supply increases, more of these setups will be of most importance.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2534501]Considering the size of the country I think US is doing a good job with vaccinations. UK too. Encouraging numbers from Israel, first studies will come out showing that the vaccines prevent not only hospitalizations but also transmission. Probably by the end of the year travel and other activities will be possible for people who can show the right QR code on an app on their phone.[/QUOTE]The US's decentralized system of diverse states poses a challenge to efficient distribution throughout all areas, but it seems that the Presidential Administration has stepped in to help with logistics. My state is lagging behind in vaccinations which is likely why there are currently federal agencies assisting here.
The UK decided to make the aggressive play by going against the recommended dosing schedule and delaying the second dose, opting to use supplies to give more people their first vaccination. It seems that gamble is paying off as witnessed by their much improved situation.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2534556]P.S. For a 'doctor' who allegedly works in an ER, you seem to have a lot of time on your hands for posting here. I thought you doctors and nurses were "so busy fighting Covid19-84" and ERs get flooded with patients? [URL]https://youtu.be/yhUAJRYA3bk[/URL].[/QUOTE]I'm comfortable with my contribution to help control the COVID situation this past year having not taken a single week off from the ICU. Likewise, I'm sure you'll comfortable with your position. Best wishes to you and yours.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2534556]Typical for people who support the political mainstream narrative: when confronted with inconvenient questions, arguments and facts: then just attack the messenger by gas lighting and trolling.[/QUOTE]What "facts?" You were repeatedly asked to present proof of your anti-vaxer nonsense regarding alterations to DNA and immune deficiencies. Everyone has been waiting over a month, and thus shouldn't feel compelled to further entertain your deflections and dodges.
Probably the funniest move from you here was when you used these "America's frontline doctors" buffoons / quacks as a source for your Covid denialism. They naturally have the antivaxer angle going now, and one was just arrested for involvement in the Capital riot. In a word you are a joke. It makes no difference what you decide to call a "fact" or if your feet are on the ground in Germany. There are plenty of dumb people in Europe, just like everywhere else.
[URL]https://www.medpagetoday.com/washington-watch/washington-watch/90778[/URL]
[URL]https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/90536[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Canary;2534560]The AZ vaccine has been declared unreliable by various EU government's & medical people when new data continues to emerge of its success. In Scotland 95% reduction of hospitalisations for those who've taken AZ.
However there would now be a battle to convince EU citizens of its safeness & effectiveness after high profile incorrect criticism. Even today a German high ranking health minister was trying to convince his citizens of the safety in using AZ.
How ironic that the EU were recently enraged with AZ and the UK regarding lack of AZ vaccine supply but now due to incorrect public statements about it (especially President Macron) EU citizens are rejecting the vaccine.
The only reason I bother to post on this subject is I read so much doom & gloom on here and not all of it is actually factually correct.
Whether people don't believe in the vaccines or don't want the Pfizer or AZ is entirely their personal choice but they do need to be careful where they get their information from to arrive at a decision.[/QUOTE]Having looked closely at the controversy about AZ vaccine, the issue seems to be related to the fact that AZ didn't include enough over 65 people in their clinical trials and so various governments are only recommending this vaccine only for younger people. This is simply because the AZ vaccine wasn't tested enough in elderly people and they need to wait and see more evidence that it works in such a frail population. US is also likely to reject permission to use AZ vaccine in US, so here is another big country having the SAME concerns as the EU.
I also live in the UK and we all know we are now under a sort of Tory dictatorship, which twisted the MHRA arm to speed up approval of AZ vaccine. In the end MHRA was forced to approve the vaccine, but with reservations and subject to continued monitoring. Also the UK strategy to give only one dose of the vaccine instead of two, so that the vaccination numbers look good, may be a gamble the government is taking on people's lives. We all know the Tories don't care about people, in fact, among the few people (below 500,000 to date) that have received the two doses of the vaccine there are the Boris Johnson's parents and few other relatives of Tory MPs.
Rock.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2534773]The US's decentralized system of diverse states poses a challenge to efficient distribution throughout all areas, but it seems that the Presidential Administration has stepped in to help with logistics. My state is lagging behind in vaccinations which is likely why there are currently federal agencies assisting here.[/QUOTE]Countries with a federal system like Germany or Switzerland have their own challenges, you get friction between federal and local governments. Right now, the main issue is that not enough vaccine is available, but at least in Switzerland they would need to severely ramp up vaccination capabilities to keep the promise that everybody who wants to be vaccinated will have the opportunity by June / July.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2534907]Countries with a federal system like Germany or Switzerland have their own challenges, you get friction between federal and local governments. Right now, the main issue is that not enough vaccine is available, but at least in Switzerland they would need to severely ramp up vaccination capabilities to keep the promise that everybody who wants to be vaccinated will have the opportunity by June / July.[/QUOTE]It seems that a lot of the supply issue came from the fact that the EU nations were slow to approve the vaccines. Hopefully that just means that EU nations are just a month behind.
For the US, there was no so much an issue with friction between levels of government but more issues with lack of direction and coordination. The result is having some states with vaccination rates of 25% and some with less than 5%.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2534872]Having looked closely at the controversy about AZ vaccine, the issue seems to be related to the fact that AZ didn't include enough over 65 people in their clinical trials and so various governments are only recommending this vaccine only for younger people. This is simply because the AZ vaccine wasn't tested enough in elderly people and they need to wait and see more evidence that it works in such a frail population. US is also likely to reject permission to use AZ vaccine in US, so here is another big country having the SAME concerns as the EU.
I also live in the UK and we all know we are now under a sort of Tory dictatorship, which twisted the MHRA arm to speed up approval of AZ vaccine. In the end MHRA was forced to approve the vaccine, but with reservations and subject to continued monitoring. Also the UK strategy to give only one dose of the vaccine instead of two, so that the vaccination numbers look good, may be a gamble the government is taking on people's lives. We all know the Tories don't care about people, in fact, among the few people (below 500,000 to date) that have received the two doses of the vaccine there are the Boris Johnson's parents and few other relatives of Tory MPs.
Rock.[/QUOTE]Hahaha, it's laughable to see what kind of left wing weirdos with tinfoil hats this forum attracts.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2534872]Having looked closely at the controversy about AZ vaccine, the issue seems to be related to the fact that AZ didn't include enough over 65 people in their clinical trials and so various governments are only recommending this vaccine only for younger people. This is simply because the AZ vaccine wasn't tested enough in elderly people and they need to wait and see more evidence that it works in such a frail population. US is also likely to reject permission to use AZ vaccine in US, so here is another big country having the SAME concerns as the EU.
I also live in the UK and we all know we are now under a sort of Tory dictatorship, which twisted the MHRA arm to speed up approval of AZ vaccine. In the end MHRA was forced to approve the vaccine, but with reservations and subject to continued monitoring. Also the UK strategy to give only one dose of the vaccine instead of two, so that the vaccination numbers look good, may be a gamble the government is taking on people's lives. We all know the Tories don't care about people, in fact, among the few people (below 500,000 to date) that have received the two doses of the vaccine there are the Boris Johnson's parents and few other relatives of Tory MPs.
Rock.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with your comments regarding Johnson & the Conservatives, they have completely mismanaged the epidemic with horrendously poor communication and a general lack of intellect in the Cabinet.
However I think you're maybe giving a disservice to some of the medical & scientific team like Jonathan Van Tam who have guided the country out of the mess along with the marvellous NHS. It was them who pushed the Government to do the one dose strategy in 12 weeks ignoring the advise of the WHO and everyone else as their data & info was pointing them in this direction.
It won't be the UK politicians that gets us through this pandemic but the scientists & NHS.
Hopefully I will be able to raise a glass to them in the Sharks garden later this summer?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2534772]I hold some reservations that as we approach critical mass in vaccinations, say 50%, that the pool of willing recipients of the vaccine will shrink, slowing down vaccination rates. Another issue may be as cases dwindle, younger and healthy people will delay their efforts to get vaccinated. There has to be a concerted effort to make getting the vaccine as effortless as possible as the slow appointment system will easily deter personal efforts. In my city, FEMA (Disaster response agency) and the National Guard has set up a drive through vaccination clinic. As supply increases, more of these setups will be of most importance.[/QUOTE]You certainly have a point that the younger age groups may not be so bothered to take the vaccine but hopefully people in the UK and indeed throughout Europe & the world have more sense and will ignore some of the anti vaccine propaganda which is frankly being disproved with new data every week.
Latest figures for the UK for vaccine uptake are:
94.3% of people aged 80 and over had received their first dose.
100% of people aged 75-79.
94.4% of people aged 70-74.
75.3% of people aged 65 to 69. (this age range continue to be vaccinated).
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[QUOTE=Canary;2534560]1: As I stated the June 20th date (when UK hopes to return to some sort of normality) was from the UK Government (PM Johnson).
Finally the UK Government are complying with the advice of scientists & the data flow.
2: The vaccines currently available in the UK are all working against all the variants. Hospitalisations & deaths for those who.
Have taken the vaccine have been drastically reduced.
3: No one knows, not even the experts about new variants however UK scientists are confident that the current working vaccines.
Can be "tweaked " to accommodate & reduce the effects of new variants.
The AZ vaccine has been declared unreliable by various EU government's & medical people when new data continues to emerge of its success. In Scotland 95% reduction of hospitalisations for those who've taken AZ.[/QUOTE]AZ is not forbidden in France, but many and medical don't trust so much. Only given to less than 65 yo in France. When lack of vaccine, when need to vaccine old, weak, at risk, to protect them, for less deaths, but virus still spreading, mostly now UK one.
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Lots of UK citizens on the internet are harping about Germany and its vaccine rollout. It's clear that this is about Brexit and, partly, English nationalism. The British people don't seem to realize they are part of a large scale trial of the AZ vaccine. It looks like it could turn out just fine but the data on efficacy among elderly just wasn't there. Otherwise it would have been used by the EU.
That being said: vaccine rollout shows that plenty of Germans are crazy and irrational like hell. I haven't heard anything from where I am but wouldn't have been surprised to hear the same thing. It looks like we dodged a bullet but maybe it's just not reported.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2534872]Having looked closely at the controversy about AZ vaccine, the issue seems to be related to the fact that AZ didn't include enough over 65 people in their clinical trials and so various governments are only recommending this vaccine only for younger people. This is simply because the AZ vaccine wasn't tested enough in elderly people and they need to wait and see more evidence that it works in such a frail population. US is also likely to reject permission to use AZ vaccine in US, so here is another big country having the SAME concerns as the EU.
I also live in the UK and we all know we are now under a sort of Tory dictatorship, which twisted the MHRA arm to speed up approval of AZ vaccine. In the end MHRA was forced to approve the vaccine, but with reservations and subject to continued monitoring. Also the UK strategy to give only one dose of the vaccine instead of two, so that the vaccination numbers look good, may be a gamble the government is taking on people's lives. We all know the Tories don't care about people, in fact, among the few people (below 500,000 to date) that have received the two doses of the vaccine there are the Boris Johnson's parents and few other relatives of Tory MPs.
Rock.[/QUOTE]
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There are also "plenty of non-Germany crazy and irrational like hell" - BTW. Stop picking on one nation. The swiss for example are planning to not use but sell their AZ vaccines.
[QUOTE=Ararat;2535014]Lots of UK citizens on the internet are harping about Germany and its vaccine rollout. It's clear that this is about Brexit and, partly, English nationalism. The British people don't seem to realize they are part of a large scale trial of the AZ vaccine. It looks like it could turn out just fine but the data on efficacy among elderly just wasn't there. Otherwise it would have been used by the EU.
That being said: vaccine rollout shows that plenty of Germans are crazy and irrational like hell. I haven't heard anything from where I am but wouldn't have been surprised to hear the same thing. It looks like we dodged a bullet but maybe it's just not reported.[/QUOTE]
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Finally: vaccine passports are to come within EU
This is an important milestone.
[URL]https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/eu/eu-gipfel-corona-121.html[/URL]
I expect the vaccine passport to become key in the reopening of all the "high-risk" establishments, eg. Discos, clubs, saunas, massage parlors, FKK, amusement parks.
Most likely also indoor-dining, and so much more.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2534907]Countries with a federal system like Germany or Switzerland have their own challenges, you get friction between federal and local governments. Right now, the main issue is that not enough vaccine is available, but at least in Switzerland they would need to severely ramp up vaccination capabilities to keep the promise that everybody who wants to be vaccinated will have the opportunity by June / July.[/QUOTE]Federal systems like USA and Germany are total failures in a pandemic. China knew this very well, when they unleashed this plague on the Western democracies. Oh no, I'm going to get "cancelled" for speaking truth, aren't I? LOL.
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[QUOTE=Clodius1;2535053]Federal systems like USA and Germany are total failures in a pandemic. China knew this very well, when they unleashed this plague on the Western democracies. Oh no, I'm going to get "cancelled" for speaking truth, aren't I? LOL.[/QUOTE]No one wants to "cancel" you. We just want to see proof of your diabolical conspiracies, which will include solid evidence from reliable sources. Stating a claim and calling it truth doesn't ever make it truth. Unsubstantiated claims in the age of the internet are dime a dozen, and frankly boring. And the burden here is all on you as the one making the claim. It's no one's job to disprove it.
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[QUOTE=Clodius1;2535053]Federal systems like USA and Germany are total failures in a pandemic. China knew this very well, when they unleashed this plague on the Western democracies. Oh no, I'm going to get "cancelled" for speaking truth, aren't I? LOL.[/QUOTE]Maybe you're right. China's coming out of this barely economically scathed, although their international reputation is certainly taking a hit. But you did have one confusing typo. I think the correct spelling is "speculation", not "truth". It was probably just the autocorrect feature.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2535009]AZ is not forbidden in France, but many and medical don't trust so much. Only given to less than 65 yo in France. When lack of vaccine, when need to vaccine old, weak, at risk, to protect them, for less deaths, but virus still spreading, mostly now UK one.[/QUOTE]Cautious optimism with variants seems to be prudent. And you're right that the UK variant is spreading quickly. In the UK, the variant makes up the supermajority of cases, over 90%.
[URL]www.wsj.com/amp/articles/lessons-from-the-u-k-about-a-more-contagious-covid-19-variant-11614253429[/URL]
Interestingly enough, when overlaid with the total incidence curve, the curve for variant case incidence in the UK shows inverse correlation. Their death data also shows a nice inverse correlation.
[URL]https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/gb[/URL]
Good for Britain for being bold with their vaccination play and showing one effective way. What I like even more is that their decision was data-driven. The FDA report showed that after only one dose, the vaccine was 52.4% effective. Supporting that case is that 0 of the severe cases were found in people who only received one dose. However, the sample size of the latter was quite small due to so few people getting severe illness with the vaccine in general.
[URL]https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download[/URL]
I think Johnson and Johnson will be the difference maker in the rest of the world. One dose vaccination with no extreme cold storage requirements. The fact that it is not an mRNA vaccine may also be easier for people to accept.
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2535052]This is an important milestone.
[URL]https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/eu/eu-gipfel-corona-121.html[/URL]
I expect the vaccine passport to become key in the reopening of all the "high-risk" establishments, eg. Discos, clubs, saunas, massage parlors, FKK, amusement parks.
Most likely also indoor-dining, and so much more.[/QUOTE]Man, this is going to piss a lot of people off if they actually do this. I hope they do it, just so I can laugh when I see the AntiVaxxers in a club.
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2535051]There are also "plenty of non-Germany crazy and irrational like hell" - BTW. Stop picking on one nation. The swiss for example are planning to not use but sell their AZ vaccines.[/QUOTE]This is the Germany forum. I know British people often have a hang up about Germany but I'm not British so I only single it out because the vaccination is going slowly in Germany and partly because Germans don't seem too interested in being vaccinated.
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2535052]This is an important milestone.
[URL]https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/eu/eu-gipfel-corona-121.html[/URL]
I expect the vaccine passport to become key in the reopening of all the "high-risk" establishments, eg. Discos, clubs, saunas, massage parlors, FKK, amusement parks.
Most likely also indoor-dining, and so much more.[/QUOTE]Scan your QR-code everytime you enter Sharks. The information is stored in the Bundespolizei database for 10 years.
Whilst I agree in principle with the idea of a vaccine passport I'm a little bit concerned how it will be used.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2535121]Scan your QR-code everytime you enter Sharks. The information is stored in the Bundespolizei database for 10 years.
Whilst I agree in principle with the idea of a vaccine passport I'm a little bit concerned how it will be used.[/QUOTE]And when they have a record of your visit then what is the concern?
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2535119]This is the Germany forum. I know British people often have a hang up about Germany but I'm not British so I only single it out because the vaccination is going slowly in Germany and partly because Germans don't seem too interested in being vaccinated.[/QUOTE]Vaccination go slowly in Germany and also France because not enough vaccine and AZ was not tested for more than 65 yo who need the most to be protected. Germany even thought about sputnik but not approved yet in EU. And we are now under UK mutant for more than 50% new cases in France, Germany forbidding UK. When people can't get vaccined, when young won't get vaccined in EU, no passport planned at the moment in EU.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2535121]Scan your QR-code everytime you enter Sharks. The information is stored in the Bundespolizei database for 10 years.
Whilst I agree in principle with the idea of a vaccine passport I'm a little bit concerned how it will be used.[/QUOTE]They ask for it at the entrance and if you don't have one, you have to show a recent test.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2535121]Scan your QR-code everytime you enter Sharks. The information is stored in the Bundespolizei database for 10 years.
Whilst I agree in principle with the idea of a vaccine passport I'm a little bit concerned how it will be used.[/QUOTE]I think you have a valid point, I can see these establishments specifically FKK's having to use such a system otherwise they won't be allowed to reopen.
I also understand that many will have security fears.
Unfortunately I would have another issue, my iPhone is too old to accept App updates so it might be update my phone or stay away!
I've already had a first dose of the vaccine and received a small card with details of the vaccine, batch number etc but it would be so easy to counterfeit.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2535121]Scan your QR-code everytime you enter Sharks. The information is stored in the Bundespolizei database for 10 years.
Whilst I agree in principle with the idea of a vaccine passport I'm a little bit concerned how it will be used.[/QUOTE]I would not be surprised if you would need to scan the QR code when you go to a concert, football game, board a flight, etc. As long as these businesses can not make the link from the QR code to my personal data. EU personal data laws should prohibit that. I would expect that whoever scans the QR code, just sees "OK. Vaccinated" or not.
If the police wants to know who is going to FKKs, they could do this a long time ago, they can just look at cellphone locations.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2534330]Britain maybe because they need to hide the effects of Brexit. Other countries not so much.[/QUOTE]All countries, and all currencies. It is a mathematical long term effect of having interest on loans. And due to how money is created through the fractional reserve system while running parallel to the stock exchange, and the total savings money supply held up in global savings accounts increasing over time. This mechanism forces through competition, which in turn also leads to automation. And as the global real economy, adjusted for inflation can not grow by 4% per year, but by maybe only 2%, due to the circulation losses caused as mentioned by the savings accounts (which is needed for the fractional reserves), the doom clock will inevitably run out.
Automation means job losses. Otherwise it is failed automation, and useless investments that will loose in a competitive market. So here we are with an automation potential of over 50% of the workforce in 2019. While studies are showing how a global pandemic, or similar economic slowdowns (like the 1920's depression) causes massive realization of the automation potential in society.
The only way out is total basic income. Free money for everyone. And how do you control that from getting out of hand if not by controlling everyone with QR codes, or maybe even tracable implants? Not that I believe there will be nanobots in the actual vaccines. But soon people will sign up for elon musks Neurallink.
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The 50% automation potential was in the USA a few years ago. Reports from China is talking about a much higher automation potential, as the populace is more geared for robots and technology. Upwards to 70%. While in less developed countries as a whole where R&D makes up less of the workforce, the automation potential as a percentage of all jobs will also be that much higher than the 50% in the states. A number I expect will increase dramatically as AI is expected to get 5000 times faster in only the next 4-5 years. And that is even before we take into account all the new science seen at Darpas ongoing ERI projects.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2535014]Lots of UK citizens on the internet are harping about Germany and its vaccine rollout. It's clear that this is about Brexit and, partly, English nationalism. The British people don't seem to realize they are part of a large scale trial of the AZ vaccine. It looks like it could turn out just fine but the data on efficacy among elderly just wasn't there. Otherwise it would have been used by the EU.
That being said: vaccine rollout shows that plenty of Germans are crazy and irrational like hell. I haven't heard anything from where I am but wouldn't have been surprised to hear the same thing. It looks like we dodged a bullet but maybe it's just not reported.[/QUOTE]Yes, I totally agree. Brexit has become a new religion / cult in UK and the pathetic followers of this cult are always desperate to find positive sides about their Brexit god and they pathetically love blaming Germany! However, please, keep in mind that at least half of UK hate Brexit and everything it represents! Ok end of my rant!
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[QUOTE=Canary;2534998]I totally agree with your comments regarding Johnson & the Conservatives, they have completely mismanaged the epidemic with horrendously poor communication and a general lack of intellect in the Cabinet.
However I think you're maybe giving a disservice to some of the medical & scientific team like Jonathan Van Tam who have guided the country out of the mess along with the marvellous NHS. It was them who pushed the Government to do the one dose strategy in 12 weeks ignoring the advise of the WHO and everyone else as their data & info was pointing them in this direction.
It won't be the UK politicians that gets us through this pandemic but the scientists & NHS.
Hopefully I will be able to raise a glass to them in the Sharks garden later this summer?[/QUOTE]Absolutely, UK frontline staff and scientific teams have been amazing throughout the pandemic so far. I will raise my glass to them as well in Sharks (God, how I miss it!) and to the JVT hero! I'm not sure the single-vaccination dose was fully supported by the scientists or that was just a forced policy by the government (remember the mixed advice on face masks at the start of the pandemic? But I really hope it will work out well. If we look at the number of fully vaccinated people, Germany, Spain and Italy are ahead of UK at the moment!
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2534936]Hahaha, it's laughable to see what kind of left wing weirdos with tinfoil hats this forum attracts.[/QUOTE]I love your insightful comments and contributions to this forum! Always on topic and full of valid arguments. My grandma would say you are special and God loves you!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2535125]And when they have a record of your visit then what is the concern?[/QUOTE]Ask Edward Snowden.
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2535052]This is an important milestone.
[URL]https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/eu/eu-gipfel-corona-121.html[/URL]
I expect the vaccine passport to become key in the reopening of all the "high-risk" establishments, eg. Discos, clubs, saunas, massage parlors, FKK, amusement parks.
Most likely also indoor-dining, and so much more.[/QUOTE]Next up: sewing Yellow Stars on your clothing, and "Unvaccinated not allowed" painted on shop windows?
What 'great' news! / sarc.
I's truly amazing to see how the politically correct young and 'green' generation is blindly making the same mistakes as their grandparents. Adolf 'proved' with 'science' that Jews were 'inferior beings,' and Angela 'proves' with 'science' like the fraudulent PCR test from Dr Christian Drosten, that a simple flu wave is now a 'worldwide pandemic.'
For those of you who speak and understand German, here is a brilliant 3,5 minute long video in which Hans-Georg Maassen (former lawyer, former civil servant, former president of the Federal Office for the protection of the Constitution, and former head of the German spy agency) explains how "scientists" are on the German government's payroll and will help prove that the earth is flat, should the German Chancellor or a German minister want want to 'prove' this for political reasons: [URL]https://youtu.be/jqe-QifgVZU[/URL].
It's simple and crude 'opinion shopping 'financed with tax money, and this also explains why you never hear any dissident scientists in the German state-controlled media and why no dissident scientists are allowed to join the small group of scientists who 'advise' Angela Merkel.
The MSM is one big brainwashing session, with the end result: a good old fashioned Police State, just how the Germans (WW1, WW2, DDR) like it!
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2535159]If the police wants to know who is going to FKKs, they could do this a long time ago, they can just look at cellphone locations.[/QUOTE]You could leave your cell phone at home, pay with cash and enjoy complete privacy, but I guess that seeing the unfolding of a police state is way above your IQ.
"Just following orders" and "I've got nothing to hide," right? Bravo for such a heroic stance, ask the citizens of China and North Korea how that works out for them! / sarc.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2535159]I would not be surprised if you would need to scan the QR code when you go to a concert, football game, board a flight, etc. As long as these businesses can not make the link from the QR code to my personal data. EU personal data laws should prohibit that. I would expect that whoever scans the QR code, just sees "OK. Vaccinated" or not.
If the police wants to know who is going to FKKs, they could do this a long time ago, they can just look at cellphone locations.[/QUOTE]Right. To what effect does an extra vaccination record compromise any more privacy? Those cellular phones in your pockets already compromise so much more. 80% of my financial transactions are performed using a smart device. All websites visited, locations visited, personal contacts, professional contacts, porn genre watched, etc.
Regardless, if the the tracking is so insidious, would the "watchers" ever expose themselves by using that information to out Joe Schmoe's employer or reveal his infidelity to his spouse?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2535125]And when they have a record of your visit then what is the concern?[/QUOTE]That the info is shared with people I don't want to know I went to a club. Such as the Swedish authorities.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2535215]Ask Edward Snowden.[/QUOTE]Exactly! Everyone knows that having a few shags in a legal brothel is the same as revealing military intelligence that uncovers torture practices on war prisoners.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2535251]That the info is shared with people I don't want to know I went to a club. Such as the Swedish authorities.[/QUOTE]But you've already been giving up that information if you've ever a carried your mobile phone into the doors of a club.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2534872]I also live in the UK and we all know we are now under a sort of Tory dictatorship, [/QUOTE]Amazing how people in the internet age toss around words like Fascist and Dictatorship. The UK you is a few years removed from truly brutal rule on their own soil. Please travel to places like Iran, North Korea, some African nations and then post something like this about their government to get refamiliarized with what a dictatorship truly is. Just because the ruling party is different from your own does not make them a dictatorship.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2535121]Scan your QR-code everytime you enter Sharks. The information is stored in the Bundespolizei database for 10 years.
Whilst I agree in principle with the idea of a vaccine passport I'm a little bit concerned how it will be used.[/QUOTE]I would imagine that a vaccine passport would be used in the same manner as travel passports issued by the government. My normal passport has a barcode but I cannot recall scanning it anywhere else except at an airport. Once when I was on a bus between Croatia and Bosnia, they made us all get off the bus and handover our passport (it was probably scanned in the twenty minutes they had it in their possession). Any other time, I believe it is visual inspection. Police officer, train conductor, hotel receptionist, FKK thekefrau.
Here is how I hope it would work if an immunity passport is required to enter an establishment: business owners would be legally obligated to ensure that all customers meet entry requirements by visually inspecting their documents. At any time, the authorities could conduct a raid. And if not in compliance, the authorities can levy large fines or shut down the business. This is no different than FKK operators that are supposed to ensure that all WGs meet age requirements to work there.
[QUOTE=Ararat;2535251]That the info is shared with people I don't want to know I went to a club. Such as the Swedish authorities.[/QUOTE]Authorities already have the technology to do this (or will shortly). AI technology can recognize faces and license plates. The self-driving car revolution will probably coincide with the wide-scale deployment of IoT. This would mean sensors everywhere emitting data. It is just a matter of whether companies or authorities see value in storing that data, interconnecting with other systems, and correlating that data. If you are really paranoid, never login to a device, take a photo, or carry a device that connects to a network again, and then move to a remote village. The point is, and this was what Snowden warned against, is that authorities may be monitoring us without our knowledge.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2535189]I love your insightful comments and contributions to this forum! Always on topic and full of valid arguments. My grandma would say you are special and God loves you![/QUOTE]Aren't you the weirdo who called the UK a "Tory dictatorship"?
God knows that you're really special, maybe you want to join Corbyn to host a fundraiser for Hezbollah and Maduro?
The other European countries are looking at the UK with envy and admiration after their extremely successful vaccination campaign.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2535185]Yes, I totally agree. Brexit has become a new religion / cult in UK and the pathetic followers of this cult are always desperate to find positive sides about their Brexit god and they pathetically love blaming Germany! However, please, keep in mind that at least half of UK hate Brexit and everything it represents! Ok end of my rant![/QUOTE]What amazes me the most is how the EU managed to scare away one of their biggest cash-cows.
Who wouldn't love the EU with all their corruption, bureaucracy, centralization and obscene waste of taxpayer money.
I don't understand how people can ignore that there are big pros&cons being a member of the EU. To me it's a sign of ignorance / radicalization.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2535189]My grandma would say you are special and God loves you![/QUOTE]I'm sure my ex girlfriend is the queen for angels, when her charming prince should now be loved by the devil, even I don't see him when I yearly go for the hell of Zoncolan, Mortirolo, Gentile and now la Lauze since last Summer.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2535251]That the info is shared with people I don't want to know I went to a club. Such as the Swedish authorities.[/QUOTE]You just have to assume your responsibilities and choices, I am not married and no GF, the authorities can share all my data with whom they want, I don t care.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2535171]The 50% automation potential was in the USA a few years ago. Reports from China is talking about a much higher automation potential, as the populace is more geared for robots and technology. Upwards to 70%. While in less developed countries as a whole where R&D makes up less of the workforce, the automation potential as a percentage of all jobs will also be that much higher than the 50% in the states. A number I expect will increase dramatically as AI is expected to get 5000 times faster in only the next 4-5 years. And that is even before we take into account all the new science seen at Darpas ongoing ERI projects.[/QUOTE]Did you see China and Chinese trying ski? So funny, just 1 year before Olympics, maybe we will see first star level competing with Austrians. Austrians laughed about Dubai Globe and Cheďkh Al Makhtoum, they should really laugh when seeing new fashion sport in China, I really can't understand to make Winter Olympics in countries which know nothing about ski, same like football Worldcup under Qatar heat where 6500 immigrants died when building stadiums, or Olympics under Japanese wet heat to kill athletes, just decided by people who never really made sports.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2535189]I love your insightful comments and contributions to this forum! Always on topic and full of valid arguments. My grandma would say you are special and God loves you![/QUOTE]If you want to point out every stupidity he tells you're in for a long time.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2535121]Scan your QR-code everytime you enter Sharks. The information is stored in the Bundespolizei database for 10 years.
Whilst I agree in principle with the idea of a vaccine passport I'm a little bit concerned how it will be used.[/QUOTE]Isn't it legal in Germany or Switzerland? Then, no problem about police. I was controlled on many times when leaving a brothel, never had any problem, only alcohol test and I always tell them: if not 0 , then change your machine because not working, always 0 for me, when only drinking tits and cyprine, no beer which make fat and bad breathe, nor alcohol, nor drug of course, my only drug being adrenaline and I need, getting when pushing to the limit, often over grip, on German autobahns where found amazing new right curve when coming from Aachen going to Neuss NRW, when will return, have to try to reach not far from 250 with new race karting for 100 limited, when already used to pass over 200/210 , when radar can't measure in curve. When in France, we build Bugatti, we have a 515 km / h record train and 2 Sebastien Loeb and Ogier, I only use my brakes in Switzerland when was always only flashed under 120 on Swiss autobahns for snails driving ugly Panamera turbo S, or RS Q7 truck.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2535258]But you've already been giving up that information if you've ever a carried your mobile phone into the doors of a club.[/QUOTE]Yes and no. IMO, it's worse if there's a record of me actually entering the club. Once something like that is in one of the databases then it's trivial to extract it. To be clear: I don't care if it's in a German or Swiss database per se. However, since that by default is available to the Swedish authorities that would be really bad.
The phone company obviously know I've been near one of the clubs but on the other hand there's no record of me actually entering and the phone company may not necessarily know what's there. I'm also confident it would be worse for locals.
Visiting the clubs is a calculated risk if one is worried about getting ones cover blown or get in trouble. No need to make it worse.
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It's called having principles. I know that it's strange to you but that's how it works. Nobody in their right mind would compromise on things the English wanted so then the English didn't want to be in anymore and they voted to leave and brought the Northern Irish and the Scots with them. Let's see for how long there will be a UK because of this.
Their choice just like it was the choice of the American people to elect Joseph Biden instead of that other guy.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2535283]What amazes me the most is how the EU managed to scare away one of their biggest cash-cows.
Who wouldn't love the EU with all their corruption, bureaucracy, centralization and obscene waste of taxpayer money.
I don't understand how people can ignore that there are big pros&cons being a member of the EU. To me it's a sign of ignorance / radicalization.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2535227]Next up: sewing Yellow Stars on your clothing, and "Unvaccinated not allowed" painted on shop windows?
What 'great' news! / sarc.
I's truly amazing to see how the politically correct young and 'green' generation is blindly making the same mistakes as their grandparents. Adolf 'proved' with 'science' that Jews were 'inferior beings,' and Angela 'proves' with 'science' like the fraudulent PCR test from Dr Christian Drosten, that a simple flu wave is now a 'worldwide pandemic.'
For those of you who speak and understand German, here is a brilliant 3,5 minute long video in which Hans-Georg Maassen (former lawyer, former civil servant, former president of the Federal Office for the protection of the Constitution, and former head of the German spy agency) explains how "scientists" are on the German government's payroll and will help prove that the earth is flat, should the German Chancellor or a German minister want want to 'prove' this for political reasons: [URL]https://youtu.be/jqe-QifgVZU[/URL].[/QUOTE]The comparison with the Holocaust is appropriate here. After all, we all know that people are being taken from their homes and shops and loaded onto cattle trains headed to refurbished concentration camps. Torture tactics to convince people to get vaccinated in these camps vary a lot and are different from those used during the '40's. Some prisoners are forced to use a dial-up connection at 128 bit / min to go online, others to listen to Cliff Richards songs 24/7 or try texting with T9 in their phones or binge-watching all the Dawson's creek episodes.
It's also clear that this is just a flu and it is all a clear conspiracy, where 99.99% of the medics, scientists and governments are involved and only a few special people like you know the truth. You are too smart to fall for these attempts to enslave the population and, while we are here, I would also question the use of seat belts in cars, smoking at petrol stations, the use of smoke alarms in houses and the use of any medicine when we all know our bodies can heal themselves (I've seen a video of a guy saying that, so it's true)!
You too are a special boy and God loves you!
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UK is island, not continental Europe, but Scotland disagree with Brexit and so many UK prefer France or Spain than England and were afraid not to get allowance to stay living in France, but of course they are welcome in France, I love their accent.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2535281]The other European countries are looking at the UK with envy and admiration after their extremely successful vaccination campaign.[/QUOTE]Yes, who wouldn't envy a double-dip recession, worst economic outlook of the G7, and seeing the financial sector to mostly relocating to the EU and forced to follow EU standards to avoid more trade barriers? Oh dear, you are so naive and pure that is almost cute! That's why God loves you with all your cute delusions and false facts.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2535283]What amazes me the most is how the EU managed to scare away one of their biggest cash-cows.
Who wouldn't love the EU with all their corruption, bureaucracy, centralization and obscene waste of taxpayer money.
I don't understand how people can ignore that there are big pros&cons being a member of the EU. To me it's a sign of ignorance / radicalization.[/QUOTE]I know dear, it's incredible that a great country like the UK has managed to fall for the brexit lies. It wasn't the EU to scare anyone, the brexit leaders did with all those lies about immigration and the entry of Turkey in the EU with the unavoidable Turkish immigrant invasion. They used to go and tell unemployed and uneducated people that the reason why their life sucked was because of the Polish doctor working at their local hospital, or tell factory workers that they should vote leave to oppose tax evasions EU laws because one day they may also become wealthy. Brexit was a battle won on people's most primordial fears and was underestimated by the government at the time. The brexit dream ended on January 1st, when even brexiteers realised that trading freely with the largest single market in the world is actually important and cannot be replaced by trade agreements with Liechtenstein, Faroe Islands and Switzerland. Particularly now when a trade deal with US is unlikely, the one with China impossible due to diplomatic issues, the one with India unlikely as they are very protectionists and would ask for free movement of people. I hope it is a lesson learned!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2535077]Maybe you're right. China's coming out of this barely economically scathed, although their international reputation is certainly taking a hit. But you did have one confusing typo. I think the correct spelling is "speculation", not "truth". It was probably just the autocorrect feature.[/QUOTE]Well said. I should have given the benefit of the doubt. It had to be that damn autocorrect feature that distorted his intent. Wink.
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Exactly. Well said. BTW: to all those naysayers: this electronic pass idea has been pioneered in Israel. It can be done completely anonymous.
There are two major motivation why this will come. No matter what: BTW: The passes will come for almost all the world (imo). Even US, Uk, almost everywhere.
A) to reach herd immunity you need 85-90% of the people to get vaccinated. Because vaccination is only 80-95% effective. Otherwise you can not get 70-80% of the people immunized. And the new mutants are infectious. So herd immunity is becoming tougher.
B) if you don't have herd immunity, we may face a 3rd, 4th or 5th lockdown. Why should we risk putting all commercial establishement into bankruptcy? Why should all those that got the shot, force to stay home in yet another lock-down?
It would be unfair to shops, business, society. Just because say 30% -40% are refusing to get vaccinated?
So instead of forcing them to get vaccinated, you simply tell them. Ok don't. But please stay home. Keep masks on. And don't go into pubs, clubs, let alone FKK.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2535159]I would not be surprised if you would need to scan the QR code when you go to a concert, football game, board a flight, etc. As long as these businesses can not make the link from the QR code to my personal data. EU personal data laws should prohibit that. I would expect that whoever scans the QR code, just sees "OK. Vaccinated" or not.
If the police wants to know who is going to FKKs, they could do this a long time ago, they can just look at cellphone locations.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2535229]You could leave your cell phone at home, pay with cash and enjoy complete privacy, but I guess that seeing the unfolding of a police state is way above your IQ.
[/QUOTE]So you always left your cell phone at home when you went to a FKK mr super intelligent?
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2535308]Yes and no. IMO, it's worse if there's a record of me actually entering the club. Once something like that is in one of the databases then it's trivial to extract it. To be clear: I don't care if it's in a German or Swiss database per se. However, since that by default is available to the Swedish authorities that would be really bad.
The phone company obviously know I've been near one of the clubs but on the other hand there's no record of me actually entering and the phone company may not necessarily know what's there. I'm also confident it would be worse for locals.
Visiting the clubs is a calculated risk if one is worried about getting ones cover blown or get in trouble. No need to make it worse.[/QUOTE]Very valid to have apprehensions regarding this topic. It's not ideal by any means. I guess I'm just reinforcing the bigger picture of it all. Ideally we could live in society where you have full control over all aspects of your personal information and ability to exercise complete freedom without restraint from outside parties but reality suggests that it would be futile as the mass populace will move us in a way where we will gradually give up small pieces of autonomy in order to benefit from collective progress.
But rational opinions such as yours that show healthy skepticism can serve to check the loss of autonomy, freedom, and privacy. Such opinions I think are beneficial as they are not rooted in bastardized extremist "facts" and paranoid conspiracy theories.
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2535341]Exactly. Well said. BTW: to all those naysayers: this electronic pass idea has been pioneered in Israel. It can be done completely anonymous.
There are two major motivation why this will come. No matter what: BTW: The passes will come for almost all the world (imo). Even US, Uk, almost everywhere.
A) to reach herd immunity you need 85-90% of the people to get vaccinated. Because vaccination is only 80-95% effective. Otherwise you can not get 70-80% of the people immunized. And the new mutants are infectious. So herd immunity is becoming tougher.
B) if you don't have herd immunity, we may face a 3rd, 4th or 5th lockdown. Why should we risk putting all commercial establishement into bankruptcy? Why should all those that got the shot, force to stay home in yet another lock-down?
It would be unfair to shops, business, society. Just because say 30% -40% are refusing to get vaccinated?
So instead of forcing them to get vaccinated, you simply tell them. Ok don't. But please stay home. Keep masks on. And don't go into pubs, clubs, let alone FKK.[/QUOTE]Just keep in mind that even without herd immunity, the pandemic can reach a point where restrictions are not needed. We really just need the most severe cases to be curbed as to reduce healthcare system burden which means vaccinating high numbers of high risk people. Also keep in mind that previous infections most likely offers a good deal of protection and also helps to soften the herd immunity threshold. Just throwing a guestimate out there, I think 50% vaccinated with most being in the high risk population in combination with naturally acquired immunity from prior infection should be practical enough to warrant a good bit of normal societal operation.
It appears that the hospitalized cases in the US and UK are pretty close to warrant complete reopening and we are still operating at very low vaccination numbers. Perhaps I am too optimistic but it's just my educated guess.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2535229]You could leave your cell phone at home, pay with cash and enjoy complete privacy, but I guess that seeing the unfolding of a police state is way above your IQ.
"Just following orders" and "I've got nothing to hide," right? Bravo for such a heroic stance, ask the citizens of China and North Korea how that works out for them! / sarc.[/QUOTE]Yet another tin foil hat, slippery slope, the sky is falling perspective from the one so well know for such. But wait a moment. Aren't you the guy that used to whine about personal attacks? Wink. Be aware that chronic use of logical fallacies is not reflective of an impressive IQ.
[URL]https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tinfoil%20hat[/URL]
[URL]https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2535341]Exactly. Well said. BTW: to all those naysayers: this electronic pass idea has been pioneered in Israel. It can be done completely anonymous.
It would be unfair to shops, business, society. Just because say 30% -40% are refusing to get vaccinated?
So instead of forcing them to get vaccinated, you simply tell them. Ok don't. But please stay home. Keep masks on. And don't go into pubs, clubs, let alone FKK.[/QUOTE]You can do like Sweden which defeated the virus last summer!
No it's a joke.
Every time you enter a place with people where it's impossible to keep social distancing, you have to show your pass or a recent negative covid test.
I feel that more people will get vaccinated.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2535292]You just have to assume your responsibilities and choices, I am not married and no GF, the authorities can share all my data with whom they want, I don t care.[/QUOTE]When most of girls ask why I'm not married, many not believing, looking at fingers, when many married go to spend in brothels when wife don't want to have boring emptying balls sex, when most of women ask to repeat when they get pleasure. From my weekly 5 days in brothels on golden years, or my every week end visits in my huge datcha, only 2 meetings with really charming Ukrainian on this year, when I should already have more than 20 days in FKK, but no big problem, easily adapting as always, laughing about the meaning of addiction word, most here just don t know, when I look on 6 annonce with 350 escorts in Paris, most here would become crazy, but can t find only 1 wow for my desire, when knowing about many fakes and highering my standard for image when I don t go for FKK weekly routine which can be really enjoyable to meet weekly a good girl. I remember how was difficult to return on mid June after 3 months break only meeting charming Russian Olga, driving to Swiss Dietikon for a Globe target, with her smile when I arrived, but if car made easily the more than 600 kms trip, my mind didn't and was not ready, I was not able to go to her when I drove for her. Then I returned to Paris, I understood was not ready yet to go to prostitutes. I know how will be difficult to find a desirable woman image when returning, compare to normal life standards, at least mine, from my life, but I succeeded to find at Amesia first, then GT Vienna, then only 1 German at Globe, I was not so bad after training a bit.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2535295]Did you see China and Chinese trying ski? So funny, just 1 year before Olympics, maybe we will see first star level competing with Austrians. Austrians laughed about Dubai Globe and Chekh Al Makhtoum, they should really laugh when seeing new fashion sport in China, I really can't understand to make Winter Olympics in countries which know nothing about ski, same like football Worldcup under Qatar heat where 6500 immigrants died when building stadiums, or Olympics under Japanese wet heat to kill athletes, just decided by people who never really made sports.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I've followed that ski hype in China a bit. The funniest thing was the downhill run they proposed to build for the 2022 Olympics. You have to search that one up on youtube! LOL!
So far it is mainly kindergarten ski resorts. But the Himalayas should have great potentials one day. But it takes time for them to build it out and find the best locations I suppose. Plus the locals needs to improve in avalanche safety measures. It is not the same as hiking.
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The one they ended up with looks fairly good. But one of the proposals for the downhill run would have killed you LOL.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2535325]I know dear, it's incredible that a great country like the UK has managed to fall for the brexit lies. It wasn't the EU to scare anyone, the brexit leaders did with all those lies about immigration and the entry of Turkey in the EU with the unavoidable Turkish immigrant invasion. They used to go and tell unemployed and uneducated people that the reason why their life sucked was because of the Polish doctor working at their local hospital, or tell factory workers that they should vote leave to oppose tax evasions EU laws because one day they may also become wealthy. Brexit was a battle won on people's most primordial fears and was underestimated by the government at the time. The brexit dream ended on January 1st, when even brexiteers realised that trading freely with the largest single market in the world is actually important and cannot be replaced by trade agreements with Liechtenstein, Faroe Islands and Switzerland. Particularly now when a trade deal with US is unlikely, the one with China impossible due to diplomatic issues, the one with India unlikely as they are very protectionists and would ask for free movement of people. I hope it is a lesson learned![/QUOTE]No lies are needed to vote for Brexit. Many voted to remain out of ignorance and lies.
The EU went from peace, free trade and free movement to become a copy of Soviet. People don't want to be lectured by corrupt bureaucrats in Bruxelles, nor did they want to send billions to other EU countries.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2535319]Yes, who wouldn't envy a double-dip recession, worst economic outlook of the G7, and seeing the financial sector to mostly relocating to the EU and forced to follow EU standards to avoid more trade barriers? Oh dear, you are so naive and pure that is almost cute! That's why God loves you with all your cute delusions and false facts.[/QUOTE]You must have missed that the entire EU is going through a major recession, but maybe facts are of no interest for you. The severity of the recession was caused by the coronavirus and the lockdowns. So it's most certainly not primarily about Brexit.
As you can see in the link below no other European country have administered close to as many doses as the UK. So yeah, people in other countries are envious of the UK.
[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1196071/covid-19-vaccination-rate-in-europe-by-country/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2535310]It's called having principles. I know that it's strange to you but that's how it works. Nobody in their right mind would compromise on things the English wanted so then the English didn't want to be in anymore and they voted to leave and brought the Northern Irish and the Scots with them. Let's see for how long there will be a UK because of this.
Their choice just like it was the choice of the American people to elect Joseph Biden instead of that other guy.[/QUOTE]You clearly don't know anything about having principles. If they got "principles" why are they sending billions to Erdogan to do their dirty work? Why are they viciously attacking the independence of democracies like Poland and Hungary while they are silent about Spain taking political prisoners and violently suppressing the Catalonian people right to vote?
The EU is a mafia and a fraud and stupid little people like you fall for it.
While at it about having "principles", what about the principle of being an independent nation and not sending billions to irresponsible EU countries. Not to mention the principle of political decisions being taken as close to the people affected as possible, decentralization.
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Luckily it was just a non-binding resolution otherwise it would be another example of the EU trying to impose itself over the members national laws.
[URL]https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20140221IPR36644/punish-the-client-not-the-prostitute[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2535341]Exactly. Well said. BTW: to all those naysayers: this electronic pass idea has been pioneered in Israel. It can be done completely anonymous.
There are two major motivation why this will come. No matter what: BTW: The passes will come for almost all the world (imo). Even US, Uk, almost everywhere.
A) to reach herd immunity you need 85-90% of the people to get vaccinated. Because vaccination is only 80-95% effective. Otherwise you can not get 70-80% of the people immunized. And the new mutants are infectious. So herd immunity is becoming tougher.
B) if you don't have herd immunity, we may face a 3rd, 4th or 5th lockdown. Why should we risk putting all commercial establishement into bankruptcy? Why should all those that got the shot, force to stay home in yet another lock-down?.[/QUOTE]Advice you to have a look at the latest presentation of John P. A. Ioannidis from Standfort, he clearly explains who is dying from covid, what we are doing wrongly and how the lockdown are useless.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2535252]Exactly! Everyone knows that having a few shags in a legal brothel is the same as revealing military intelligence that uncovers torture practices on war prisoners.[/QUOTE]Yepp, indeed! Everyone who listens to the political correctness crowd knows this for a fact already!
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2535316]It's also clear that this is just a flu and it is all a clear conspiracy, where 99.99% of the medics, scientists and governments are involved and only a few special people like you know the truth. You are too smart to fall for these attempts to enslave the population and, while we are here, I would also question the use of seat belts in cars[/QUOTE]Do not have anything quite as humorous to add.
It is not a politicized issue like facemasks, but seatbelt usage is not that universal. Although it would seem to be universal if one lives in USA, Western Europe, Australia, Japan, Scandinavia. Here are some compliance figures for people sitting in the driver's seat: China 36 percent, India 14 - 40 percent, Turkey 50 percent, [URL]https://apps.who.int/gho/data/view.main.51416[/URL].
[QUOTE]According to the report, the percent of Italians using seatbelts plummeted to 46% in southern Italy, while drivers in the north were the most disciplined, with 82% buckling up. The ISS has calculated that if 95% of Italians used seatbelts the national health system would save 1.3 billion euros.
https://www.italymagazine.com/italy/crime/fewer-italians-wearing-seatbelts.[/QUOTE]For those who miss the sight of Romanian breasts, a "propaganda" video promoting the use of seatbelts in Romania: [URL]https://youtu.be/JJzJD1iVci4[/URL].
[QUOTE]Given the mechanics of the campaign, it obviously targets men specifically, but theres a reason for this according to Romanian statistics, an average of three times more men than women lose their lives in car crashes because of reasons like not wearing seatbelts.
https://paultan.org/2014/09/04/seatbeltb00bing/.[/QUOTE]Just thought it would be interesting to share. For those of us who do not socialize much outside of brothels or interact with other cultures (despite half of us being world travelers). I can be guilty of both at times, staying in my social comfort zone or lone-wolfing.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2535258]But you've already been giving up that information if you've ever a carried your mobile phone into the doors of a club.[/QUOTE]Not really. Your phone could have been stolen.
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2535341]Exactly. Well said. BTW: to all those naysayers: this electronic pass idea has been pioneered in Israel. It can be done completely anonymous.
There are two major motivation why this will come. No matter what: BTW: The passes will come for almost all the world (imo). Even US, Uk, almost everywhere.
A) to reach herd immunity you need 85-90% of the people to get vaccinated. Because vaccination is only 80-95% effective. Otherwise you can not get 70-80% of the people immunized. And the new mutants are infectious. So herd immunity is becoming tougher.
B) if you don't have herd immunity, we may face a 3rd, 4th or 5th lockdown. Why should we risk putting all commercial establishement into bankruptcy? Why should all those that got the shot, force to stay home in yet another lock-down?.[/QUOTE]I wrote a post here about the realization of the automation potential during historical crisis such as the 1920's, and now during the covid pandemic. And that is the entire point of shutting down everything in the first place. Hell, just look at Auckland. 1 person in the entire Auckland metro has covid. Only 1! And they just went into lockdown.
And the reason for realizing the automation potential is not just one. But several.
1. It works as a coverup for the entire financial systems impending interest doom (meaning lower and lower interest rates cannot go on forever).
2. Geopolitically it forces through higher competition between China and the west when it comes to automation, robotics, AI etc.
3. It helps in saving the environment by keeping people at home, as current politics has proven useless due to people's love for fiat paper currency (some loves to call it actual money although it isn't).
3. 1. The end goal is transhumanism and deep dive VR in order to save the environment from all sorts of problems. Mainly industrial toxins and not the CO2.
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Paula Rowe German Pornstar
I have met her this German Pornstar Paula Rowe a few times. The girl with tattoo wearing stripe T-Shirt
A girl with a nice personality. A reasonably good looking, blond german girl, quite tall with a nice athletic body.
Her puss* of course not the tighest one.
Here is her interview on YouTube. You could find her other youtube videos by searching Paula Rowe.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXzwkIVuneA[/URL]
I believe she has not retied yet.
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[QUOTE=Adindas;2535549]I have met her this German Pornstar Paula Rowe a few times. The girl with tattoo wearing stripe T-Shirt
A girl with a nice personality. A reasonably good looking, blond german girl, quite tall with a nice athletic body.
Her puss* of course not the tighest one.
Here is her interview on YouTube. You could find her other youtube videos by searching Paula Rowe..[/QUOTE]Everyone has is own taste, both a real no go for me and even more after what they are telling, she is also doing some gang bang parties so easy for those who are interested to fuck her.
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[QUOTE=Adindas;2535549]I have met her this German Pornstar Paula Rowe a few times. The girl with tattoo wearing stripe T-Shirt
A girl with a nice personality. A reasonably good looking, blond german girl, quite tall with a nice athletic body.
Her puss* of course not the tighest one.
Here is her interview on YouTube. You could find her other youtube videos by searching Paula Rowe.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXzwkIVuneA[/URL]
I believe she has not retied yet.[/QUOTE]I am not too much a fan of her face but her body (what I can see of it) looks smooth, silky and delicate which I like.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2535134]Vaccination go slowly in Germany and also France because not enough vaccine and AZ was not tested for more than 65 yo who need the most to be protected. Germany even thought about sputnik but not approved yet in EU. And we are now under UK mutant for more than 50% new cases in France, Germany forbidding UK. When people can't get vaccined, when young won't get vaccined in EU, no passport planned at the moment in EU.[/QUOTE]I read that 34% of Germans say that they do not want to be vaccinated. German leader Angel Merkel refused to take the Oxford vaccine when she was offered.
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How Botox, Knife destroy their beauty
This is Sienna Day one of the UK well known pornstar. Compare it how she looks like when she was young and now.
She is still available for booking as an escort based on [URL]internationalsugarbabes.com[/URL].
[URL]https://www.internationalsugarbabes.com/gallery/sienna-day/[/URL]
Her rate is 800 an hour but with her current looks you do not even want to book her for 100.
Compare her look a few years ago and now.
She destroys her own beauty with Excessive Botox injection and mutilation under the knives. Sad.
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The two first photos of the first column are a disaster. She looks she had an accident and the surgeon who remade her face was drunk.
She looked good a few years ago, even with the boob job.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2535568]I am not too much a fan of her face but her body (what I can see of it) looks smooth, silky and delicate which I like.[/QUOTE]
She has a nice tight body. But she has a lot of tattoos. This is another video of her on YouTube. Watch that nice tight arse.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njaMod7Nr9Y[/URL]
She has done the extreme scenes with John Thompson (GGG).
You could find some of her hardcore movies on PornHub, Spankbang or other pornsites.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2535572]I read that 34% of Germans say that they do not want to be vaccinated. German leader Angel Merkel refused to take the Oxford vaccine when she was offered.[/QUOTE]She didn't refuse that vaccine.
[URL]https://www.euronews.com/2021/02/26/angela-merkel-did-not-refuse-the-astrazeneca-vaccine-despite-this-being-reported[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2535572]I read that 34% of Germans say that they do not want to be vaccinated. German leader Angel Merkel refused to take the Oxford vaccine when she was offered.[/QUOTE]I was not proposed but I would prefer to make my own little soldiers, maybe already did after meeting many WGs, but I wish those who need will be protected, because too many deaths kill my mood, like if we were at world war. When I write about more than 500000 in US, of course those here at not clever enough to understand, but just unfair when kill mostly black, Latinas who are poor. Unfortunately, crazy Trump didn't die.
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[QUOTE=Adindas;2535585]She has a nice tight body. But she has a lot of tattoos. This is another video of her on YouTube. Watch that nice tight arse.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njaMod7Nr9Y[/URL]
She has done the extreme scenes with John Thompson (GGG).
You could find some of her hardcore movies on PornHub, Spankbang or other pornsites.[/QUOTE]Can't say she looked any better in the past. Not in that picture at least. Her body looks fine in some pictures I googled when she was slim though. But fat looks really bad on her.
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[QUOTE=Adindas;2535549]I have met her this German Pornstar Paula Rowe a few times. The girl with tattoo wearing stripe T-Shirt
A girl with a nice personality. A reasonably good looking, blond german girl, quite tall with a nice athletic body.
Her puss* of course not the tighest one.
Here is her interview on YouTube. You could find her other youtube videos by searching Paula Rowe.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXzwkIVuneA[/URL]
I believe she has not retied yet.[/QUOTE]The blondie there surely looks cuter and better. You don't agree?
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Never mind about the blondie. She is way too tall. 1.75. Yeah, I am picky. Been with too many girls much hotter than these.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2535605]When I write about more than 500000 in US, of course those here at not clever enough to understand, but just unfair when kill mostly black, Latinas who are poor. Unfortunately, crazy Trump didn't die.[/QUOTE]Funny you use the word clever. Clever would also apply to people who can look beyond headlines and gain real understanding rather than regurgitating superficial data.
It's pretty easy to determine that while race is a factor in covid outcomes, it in itself is not the primary determinant of outcome (IEcorrelation is not causation). Rather, the most direct metric is income. It is no surprise that low income leads to worse health incomes and ethnic minorities generally have lower income. This leads to higher levels of ethnic minorities with poor health education, worse exercise habits, less healthy diets, less access to grocery stores, and thus living with more chronic health conditions. That directly leads to poor covid outcome.
[URL]Www.prospect.org/api/amp/coronavirus/covid-19-class-war-death-rates-income/[/URL]
As such, black people in the US die at 1. 9 x the rate of white people:
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-race-ethnicity.html[/URL]
Apparently stratifying covid data by race is taboo in much of Europe but France's aversion to collecting racial data regarding covid has been brought to attention:
[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/coronavirus-france-race-data/2020/06/25/e5b4d0a6-b58d-11ea-9a1d-d3db1cbe07ce_story.html%3FoutputType%3Damp[/URL]
But it's apparent that France has the same problem regarding racial disparities as other Anglo-Western nations. :
[URL]Www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/07/french-coronavirus-study-finds-black-immigrant-deaths-doubled-at-peak[/URL]
The disparity is clearly evident in the African dense Parisian suburb of Seine-Saint-Denis:
[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/25/paris-banlieue-virus-amplifies-inequality-seine-saint-denis?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other[/URL]
The WHO did publish some French specific covid data regarding ethnic immigrant groups. With those that were French born, covid lead to an additional 22% more death. However for North African born, that number is 55% higher. For Sub-Saharan African born, it is 114% higher. This data may lead one to conclude that regarding covid outcomes in France, the more fair your skin, the better you will fare (pun intended).
[URL] https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/documents/social-determinants-of-health/health-inequalities-covid-19---the-situation-in-france-(michelle-kelly-irving).pdf[/URL]
The true reality is that Africans and other racial minorities face worse health outcomes in numerous western nations due to their position in the lower levels of income and also due to lack of cultural integration. The United Nations Humans Rights Commissioner reported double death rates for black people in USA, UK, and France. Similar 2 x to 3 x death disparities can be found in Sweden, Finland, and Norway and I suspect all over the Western world.
[URL]https://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=25916[/URL]
[URL]https://su.figshare.com/articles/preprint/Disparities_in_covid-19_deaths_by_country_of_birth_in_Stockholm_Sweden_A_total_population_based_cohort_study/12852854[/URL]
[URL]Www.abcnews.go.com/amp/International/wireStory/coronavirus-takes-toll-swedens-immigrant-community-70593594[/URL]
Basically, while our French Casanova's criticisms show an obvious bias and disdain for all things American, it seems that the situation is no better in his own country or the other countries in his own back yard. The difference in perception is that we actually collect the data in order to make use of it rather than practicing Europe's tendency to sweep its own inequalities under the rug.
Similar disparities can probably be seen everywhere but apparently it is taboo to report racial data in Europe:
[URL]Www.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN27Z0M3[/URL]
Lastly, it's odd to me how the blowhards are so passionate about the what ifs and maybes regarding insidious government control, antivaxxing, and planned population control conspiracies theories but never look at massive population level problems where the data is right in front of them. Maybe it's a massive racist conspiracy to reduce the population of poor black and brown people. But I guess that topic doesn't appeal to their sense of fairness, justice, and "truth".
QED. Thank you for coming to my TedTalk.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2535725]Funny you use the word clever. Clever would also apply to people who can look beyond headlines and gain real understanding rather than regurgitating superficial data.[/QUOTE]It also applies to people able to speak and write foreign languages correctly (especially after 15 000 posts of some kind of Middle Earth dwarven dialect).
Speaking of ethnic or religious statistics, they're forbidden in France since the end of WWII and I think everybody here understands why. As you pointed it, you only have access to the country of birth of immigrants, but for a son or grandson of immigrants you have no information. But as you said, it's rather easy to realize that the main factor is the income. Statistics about the job, the amount of paid taxes are available. But some guys here display terrible signs of xenophobia, against basically everyone: Albanians, Turks, Swiss, Americans, and so on. If you've been living as an outcast for so long constantly wondering why no one recognizes your greatness and vast superiority, eventually you begin to think that it's the world's fault, not yours.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2535668]The blondie there surely looks cuter and better. You don't agree?[/QUOTE]
Not, in my personal preference, I would not pay for it. So again, this is evidence that people have different preference and It is quite subjective. Beauty, sexual attractiveness lies on the eye of their beholders.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2535343]So you always left your cell phone at home when you went to a FKK mr super intelligent?[/QUOTE]You don't want to understand it, or are you lacking some IQ points?
I said that someone (in this case you) *could* leave his cell phone at home, if he *wants* to so do.
What's so difficult to understand about that? I never said that I leave my phone at home, but the big difference is that, unlike a Covid1984 Vaccination Passport & tracking app installed on your phone and those apps being required for entry into an FKK club, in the past nobody was never forced to bring his phone to an FKK club.
If someone wants total privacy, that person can leave his phone at home, pay with cash only and have total anonymity. Is that really so difficult to understand?
Always the same dumb trolling and gas lighting behaviour by the same group of people pushing the government's agenda (lockdowns, vaccinating, tracking apps), by either not fully reading someone's reply, taking it out of context, or deliberately putting words into someone's mouth. It's becoming quite obvious now.
Are you perhaps related to Mursenary?
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[QUOTE=Adindas;2535836]Not, in my personal preference, I would not pay for it. So again, this is evidence that people have different preference and It is quite subjective. Beauty, sexual attractiveness lies on the eye of their beholders.[/QUOTE]
In the past I also posted the pictures of Aisha Angel, a well-known Hungarian pornstar who is also doing escort.
https://www.internationalsugarbabes.com/gallery/porn-star-aisha-angel/
This is one of her porn scene on spankbang.
https://spankbang.com/25hsv/video/aisha+b+hardcore+interracial
One person said he would not pay for her. But to me she is good looking, porn-communities also consider her as a one of the good looking pornstar. Unfortunately, she has retired. So again Beauty, sexual attractiveness lies on the eye of their beholders.
You could find some more using search Aicha Angel, Aisha Lark to find her other videos.
What do you think of her ? To me I would not mind to pay EUR 350 for an hour if I could lick and creampie that nice puss* and stick my c*ck in that nice small butthole. For a scene in Europe she is already very lucky if she could get paid EUR1,000 per scene. For this money it will involve a few hours of work. Also she will be watched and her face will be seen by public getting indefenitely. The porn scene will be available indefinitely so her family member, friends, relatives could watch her geeting fu*k hard anytime.
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I just hope it doesn't come to this
One person said he would not pay for her. But to me she is good looking.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXKLszDYQWg[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2535725]Funny you use the word clever..[/QUOTE]I think that was enough said. If we are to say more it really dilutes the statement.
Concerning COVID, some people get the infection and never know. I had it and had quite the opposite experience. I was lucky not to require hospitalization. I'm one of those unfortunate people without health insurance. Anyway, my experience was one of complete pain. Everything in my body hurt. It hurt so bad I couldn't even watch porn out of fear I would need to master bate and couldn't. I was in this total pain for over 30 days. I struggled to walk 25 meters because I was completely out of breath. I wish that nobody has to experience this. Unfortunately, my uncle is currently under treatment.
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Germany tightens border with France: [URL]https://www.france24.com/en/france/20210228-germany-tightens-covid-controls-at-french-border-over-variants[/URL].
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2535937]Germany tightens border with France: [URL]https://www.france24.com/en/france/20210228-germany-tightens-covid-controls-at-french-border-over-variants[/URL].[/QUOTE]My thoughts are that this is a reasonable intervention that errs on the side of caution. Numbers in Germany have been brought under control compared to the deep winter numbers. However, progress has seen stagnant due to the build up of cases on the Eastern border. A previously posted a map showed that the increase in cases were concentrated in Bavaria and Saxony with most of the rest of Germany being spared. If the Western borders begin showing a bump, it will only delay the German mongering scene even longer.
Oddly enough though, despite the rants about the British spreading their variant through Switzerland during the holiday ski season, the hot zones are not on the Southern border with Switzerland.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2535947]My thoughts are that this is a reasonable intervention that errs on the side of caution. Numbers in Germany have been brought under control compared to the deep winter numbers. However, progress has seen stagnant due to the build up of cases on the Eastern border. A previously posted a map showed that the increase in cases were concentrated in Bavaria and Saxony with most of the rest of Germany being spared. If the Western borders begin showing a bump, it will only delay the German mongering scene even longer.
Oddly enough though, despite the rants about the British spreading their variant through Switzerland during the holiday ski season, the hot zones are not on the Southern border with Switzerland.[/QUOTE]Ask Italians or Germans what they think about opened Swiss ski resorts attracting many UK, look what happened in Wengen on mid January when they had to cancel their legendary Lauberhorn, and now in Saint Moritz and Davos, but you seem to think you know better than Europeans? Germany is under very strict second lockdown since Christmas, even schools are closed there, also not essential stores, when not in France. Many immigrant children can't manage in Germany when they can't go to school, when they don't speak German at home.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2535937]Germany tightens border with France: [URL]https://www.france24.com/en/france/20210228-germany-tightens-covid-controls-at-french-border-over-variants[/URL].[/QUOTE]Not France, but just 1 district out of our 97 , but I don't blame Germany to try to protect, even I can still easily go, but nothing to do there out of brothels. This district being under mutants, when no French mutant, where do come these mutants? When more than half new cases are from mutants.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2535961]Ask Italians or Germans what they think about opened Swiss ski resorts attracting many UK, look what happened in Wengen on mid January when they had to cancel their legendary Lauberhorn, and now in Saint Moritz and Davos, but you seem to think you know better than Europeans? Germany is under very strict second lockdown since Christmas, even schools are closed there, also not essential stores, when not in France. Many immigrant children can't manage in Germany when they can't go to school, when they don't speak German at home.[/QUOTE]Know better than Europeans? No, not all Europeans, just Europeans who don't understand how to track data. But it's fortunate that mathematics doesn't care where you're from. Obviously cases are not spreading out of Switzerland but rather Czechia and Western Austria hence the border closures.
How's the COVID racial disparity going over in Europe by the way. Doesn't look too good from way over here.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2535961]Ask Italians or Germans what they think about opened Swiss ski resorts attracting many UK, look what happened in Wengen on mid January when they had to cancel their legendary Lauberhorn, and now in Saint Moritz and Davos, but you seem to think you know better than Europeans?.[/QUOTE]Number of new cases continuously dropping in Switzerland since mid December (7 day average went from 4300 to 1000). Sorry to disappoint you, but the current situation in Europe can't be blamed on the Swiss.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2535937]Germany tightens border with France: [URL]https://www.france24.com/en/france/20210228-germany-tightens-covid-controls-at-french-border-over-variants[/URL].[/QUOTE]They tighten the border between Germany and Moselle but it's still easy to enter Germany from Meurthe-et-Moselle, bas Rhin.
Haut Rhin (neighbouring departments) so someone who really wants to enter Germany by car without a test just has to drive a little more.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2535838]Always the same dumb trolling and gas lighting behaviour by the same group of people pushing the government's agenda (lockdowns, vaccinating, tracking apps), by either not fully reading someone's reply, taking it out of context, or deliberately putting words into someone's mouth. It's becoming quite obvious now.[/QUOTE]Regardless how much you troll you will have to face reality. Lockdowns will end only if enough people are vaccinated. Vaccination passes (app or on paper) will help with reopening.
The fact that you can't write a single post without insulting people who don't agree with you says a lot about you.
Bless your heart.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2535838]If someone wants total privacy, that person can leave his phone at home, pay with cash only and have total anonymity.[/QUOTE]I mentioned before that I don't care if the government knows about me visiting a FKK and sorry to disappoint you, towards governments total privacy is long gone. You would have to abandon using computers too, but then how can you troll?
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2535998]Bless your heart.[/QUOTE]Where did you learn this phrase? It's a southern derogatory colloquialism, the language of my people. Explain yourself! LOL.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2535998]Regardless how much you troll you will have to face reality. Lockdowns will end only if enough people are vaccinated. Vaccination passes (app or on paper) will help with reopening.
The fact that you can't write a single post without insulting people who don't agree with you says a lot about you.
Bless your heart.[/QUOTE]I hope you are right, I just have a point of concern, how efficient the vaccine will be and why in China there is no mass vaccination? It seems also that 50% of the dead have obesity problems and than the majority of the remaining 50% have serious health issues with most of the time poor life expectation less than 1 year. Concerning obesity sorry but it is the people responsibility, they just need to buy a 20 USD watch put the step counter at 10000 per day, stop drinking any soft drink, eating ice cream, no sugar, no French fries, no industrial cooked food and for sure within 3 month they will drastically reduce their weight and be far more healthy.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2535977]Doesn't look too good from way over here.[/QUOTE]Doesn't look too good? Really? / sarc You might want to look back at you "time capsule" about my predictions again.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2532117]Saving post and prediction for time capsule safekeeping.
Along similar lines, cases in Germany down to October levels and deaths down to Pre-Christmas levels despite vaccine naysayers reaching with scary mutant talks.[/QUOTE]Proves once again what kind of *expert* Mursenary (and his other troll usernames) really is.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2536003]I mentioned before that I don't care if the government knows about me visiting a FKK and sorry to disappoint you, towards governments total privacy is long gone. You would have to abandon using computers too, but then how can you troll?[/QUOTE]Guess what Paul, other people *do* care about their privacy, and will not go to FKK clubs in the same massive numbers if they lose their privacy because the EU wants a European wide vaccination & tracking app. Big FKK clubs with big expenses, rely on big volume of visitors, or how do you think they will stay afloat financially if a large percentage of potential (EU resident) visitors will no longer go? Of course there are always a handful of idiots who don't care about privacy, but most normal people actually *do* care because they have a life, a career, a family, friends etc.
Have you ever been to Sharks on a busy weekend? How many of those visitors do you think have an account here on ISG or on a German FKK forum? Probably not many, because to them it's not a lifestyle. For most of them it's a 'fun night out' but they will probably not risk their privacy, their career, their family, their reputation for an FKK visit. Have a look on German forums, and see how people there think about privacy. You might be surprised and disappointed.
European-wide vaccination app: [URL]https://www.dw.com/en/eu-coronavirus-summit-vaccine-certificates-expected-by-summer/a-56701869[/URL].
People will be vaxxed and tagged like a cow, or in your case, like a sheep. LOL!
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2535987]Number of new cases continuously dropping in Switzerland since mid December (7 day average went from 4300 to 1000). Sorry to disappoint you, but the current situation in Europe can't be blamed on the Swiss.[/QUOTE]Maybe we can blame the situation on the guys who broke the hard lockdown last spring to go fuck some escorts and left the country when it was forbidden in may to go fuck in Switzerland? Maybe they helped to spread the virus.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2536003]I mentioned before that I don't care if the government knows about me visiting a FKK and sorry to disappoint you, towards governments total privacy is long gone. You would have to abandon using computers too, but then how can you troll?[/QUOTE]P.S. In all your brilliance, have you ever considered that fact that, just like in real life, also in the P6 scene "it takes TWO to tango?
Perhaps many WGs are also concerned about privacy, just they are also concerned about their health? Perhaps the brief reopening in the summer last year is a sign of the future, as we saw the quality and quantity of the line-ups take a nosedive? With additional privacy concerns, perhaps many WGs will consider twice before ever working in an FKK club again?
Not every WG is a naive girl "fresh off the bus" from Romania who's 'boyfriend' convinced her to work in an FKK club, and over the years I've fucked plenty of nice and friendly WGs (usually the better fucks!) who try to lead normal lives, or even are raising a child. For these girls, P6 is a relatively easy and relatively anonymous way to make a lot of money. These girls do not want to be flagged as WGs in any (hackable) EU-wide government Covid1984 database that might be traced back to Romania, Moldavia, Estonia, Poland etc. Where their families live.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2535977]Know better than Europeans? No, not all Europeans, just Europeans who don't understand how to track data. But it's fortunate that mathematics doesn't care where you're from. Obviously cases are not spreading out of Switzerland but rather Czechia and Western Austria hence the border closures.
How's the COVID racial disparity going over in Europe by the way. Doesn't look too good from way over here.[/QUOTE]The Ironic Mutant. Yep. I find the "Clever" use of blaming mutants for destroying business and risking the lives of others while bragging about circumventing travel restrictions to be ironic. The self appointed superiority, the entitled attitude.
Ugh!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2535977]How's the COVID racial disparity going over in Europe by the way. Doesn't look too good from way over here.[/QUOTE]Yep. Doesn't look too good from way over here.
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Sucks that WGs in Germany have had to register with the local government to work as one for the past 3 years. What a travesty and invasion of privacy.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2536199]P.S. In all your brilliance, have you ever considered that fact that, just like in real life, also in the P6 scene "it takes TWO to tango?
Perhaps many WGs are also concerned about privacy, just they are also concerned about their health? Perhaps the brief reopening in the summer last year is a sign of the future, as we saw the quality and quantity of the line-ups take a nosedive? With additional privacy concerns, perhaps many WGs will consider twice before ever working in an FKK club again?[/QUOTE]I am sure you know that at least in Germany, Austria and Switzerland prostitutes are registered with the local administration. Any FKK who doesn't want to be shut down by the police checks the papers. Not sure how vaccination papers would be the reason why a WG would decide against prostitution because of privacy concerns. I am looking forward to your explanation.
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[QUOTE=Chongmal;2536214]The Ironic Mutant. Yep. I find the "Clever" use of blaming mutants for destroying business and risking the lives of others while bragging about circumventing travel restrictions to be ironic. The self appointed superiority, the entitled attitude.
Ugh![/QUOTE]You don't understand, his lungs are "clean" because of cycling or skiing.
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In Reply to Hammer Time.
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2536003]I mentioned before that I don't care if the government knows about me visiting a FKK and sorry to disappoint you, towards governments total privacy is long gone. You would have to abandon using computers too, but then how can you troll?[/QUOTE]Post of the Year.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2536152] Guess what Paul, other people *do* care about their privacy [/QUOTE]Sweetheart, I'll try again to explain my position. Anybody can have a different view.
I do care about privacy to a certain level. However, with regards governments, privacy is long gone. That horse has fled the barn since the internet and cell phones. Having a vaccine pass won't make a difference how much government knows about you.
There are companies that know a lot about me as well. To name a few, Google, Amazon, my ISP, my cell phone provider. Maybe you don't use any of those or equivalents. Take a look in the address bar of your browser and you see that your ISP sees everything you type on ISG. If you use a VPN to get to ISG, then the VPN provider sees everything you type.
What I do care is that FKKs don't have my data. I could live with just giving them my phone number, because a regular Joe can't find me online just by my phone number. This is why I stopped going to Globe last year when canton Zurich made ID checks mandatory.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2536152]People will be vaxxed and tagged like a cow, or in your case, like a sheep. LOL![/QUOTE]How is the tagging going to work? Is it the chips from Bill Gates? Will he use all those billions of chips to mine bitcoin?
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[QUOTE=Chongmal;2536214]The Ironic Mutant. Yep. I find the "Clever" use of blaming mutants for destroying business and risking the lives of others while bragging about circumventing travel restrictions to be ironic. The self appointed superiority, the entitled attitude.[/QUOTE]You forgot 'driving like you're in a video-game with infinite continues and the people around on the road as NPC'.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2536149]I hope you are right, I just have a point of concern, how efficient the vaccine will be and why in China there is no mass vaccination? It seems also that 50% of the dead have obesity problems and than the majority of the remaining 50% have serious health issues with most of the time poor life expectation less than 1 year. Concerning obesity sorry but it is the people responsibility, they just need to buy a 20 USD watch put the step counter at 10000 per day, stop drinking any soft drink, eating ice cream, no sugar, no French fries, no industrial cooked food and for sure within 3 month they will drastically reduce their weight and be far more healthy.[/QUOTE]First round of studies from Israel confirm the effectiveness claimed by Biontech / Pfizer for their vaccine. I expect that soon we will get similar studies using the current vaccination campaigns in US, UK for other vaccines.
Vaccination started slowly in China, but I am not following what happens there.
Eradicating obesity on a global level is a worthy cause, however less practical. Let's just shoot all the people over a certain BMI or over a certain age and we have solved the pandemic.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2536171]Maybe we can blame the situation on the guys who broke the hard lockdown last spring to go fuck some escorts and left the country when it was forbidden in may to go fuck in Switzerland? Maybe they helped to spread the virus.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=HammerTime96;2536152]Have you ever been to Sharks on a busy weekend? How many of those visitors do you think have an account here on ISG or on a German FKK forum? Probably not many, because to them it's not a lifestyle. For most of them it's a 'fun night out' but they will probably not risk their privacy, their career, their family, their reputation for an FKK visit. Have a look on German forums, and see how people there think about privacy. You might be surprised and disappointed.[/QUOTE]I can agree with the prediction that "casual monger" attendance will decrease if the tracking of presence becomes permanent. For the mongers who make this a lifestyle (most people on this board), they will not be deterred. Laws will not deter them. Threats to health will not deter them. Financial distress will not deter them. Threats to privacy will not deter them. Travelling thousands of kilometers will not deter them. The apocalypse will not deter them. The WGs can spot these mongers easily. But like you said, these hardcore mongers are the minority of club-goers.
I couldn't find anything here that says they will scan your digital vaccination certificate everywhere you go. I am not sure that would be accepted by Germans (or Europeans), who take Datenschutz seriously. Scanning at the border when passing customs is one thing, scanning in at every business establishment you enter, I cannot envision that. If it happens, it happens. Complaining on a sex board won't change that matter. Even if you were able to convince all ten of us to join your cause, it will not matter.
European-wide vaccination app: [URL]https://www.dw.com/en/eu-coronavirus-summit-vaccine-certificates-expected-by-summer/a-56701869[/URL].
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2536250]Yep. Doesn't look too good from way over here.[/QUOTE]You forgot to switch account?
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2536149]I hope you are right, I just have a point of concern, how efficient the vaccine will be and why in China there is no mass vaccination? It seems also that 50% of the dead have obesity problems and than the majority of the remaining 50% have serious health issues with most of the time poor life expectation less than 1 year. Concerning obesity sorry but it is the people responsibility, they just need to buy a 20 USD watch put the step counter at 10000 per day, stop drinking any soft drink, eating ice cream, no sugar, no French fries, no industrial cooked food and for sure within 3 month they will drastically reduce their weight and be far more healthy.[/QUOTE]Vitamin the defiency. Or simply just not high enough levels of it.
But people will just say vitamin the is a hoax, since if everyone took more supplements of vitamin the then not enough people would die.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2535987]Number of new cases continuously dropping in Switzerland since mid December (7 day average went from 4300 to 1000). Sorry to disappoint you, but the current situation in Europe can't be blamed on the Swiss.[/QUOTE]Didn't you have a cluster in Wengen on mid January, when Bern decided to cancel so famous Lauberhorn. Did you know about tourists from all over the world, Asians, north Americans, in Saint Moritz or Davos. Many UK went to Switzerland for ski for Christmas and on January, and they made a cluster in Vallorcine on border la Forclaz close to Verbier. When all those who know a bit about Switzerland brothels, know clubs only reopened on June, but closing in ZH is longer now than under first wave. France asked us for Christmas and still not to go to Switzerland. I don't think Germany and Italy are very happy about Swiss ski resorts attracting tourists and not only jealousy about business, but risk when tourists return at home and spreading.
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I don't have to read it. No-covid is the only way. See NZ and AUS, but also SG, TW, China, Korea, etc.
That worked.
Everything else did not. All we others suffer from a social nightmare, a economic nightmare, and a health crises, because our shitty politicians only follow a low-covid strategy. Whereas no-covid already have proven to be much better.
INSTEAD we are fucking risking that this covid goes on forever, as we are breeding mutants. And mutants of mutants. THIS MAY FRIGGING never stop.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2535535]Advice you to have a look at the latest presentation of John P. A. Ioannidis from Standfort, he clearly explains who is dying from covid, what we are doing wrongly and how the lockdown are useless.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2536351]Didn't you have a cluster in Wengen on mid January, when Bern decided to cancel so famous Lauberhorn. Did you know about tourists from all over the world, Asians, north Americans, in Saint Moritz or Davos. Many UK went to Switzerland for ski for Christmas and on January, and they made a cluster in Vallorcine on border la Forclaz close to Verbier. When all those who know a bit about Switzerland brothels, know clubs only reopened on June, but closing in ZH is longer now than under first wave. France asked us for Christmas and still not to go to Switzerland. I don't think Germany and Italy are very happy about Swiss ski resorts attracting tourists and not only jealousy about business, but risk when tourists return at home and spreading.[/QUOTE]If Switzerland were ground zero, one would think that the most affected would be the local Swiss and the southern border of Germany. Apparently not.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2536258]You don't understand, his lungs are "clean" because of cycling or skiing.[/QUOTE]Cycling three weeks in a year and skiing every two years? That's a very intensive training, only real sports fanatics can engage in this, the kind of guys with world class athlete abilities!
This is my friend, how you recognize them. Fit and sharp because of this massive amount of training. They dedicate their life to Olympic level sports, not sneaking around in some kind of dirty slums every weekend.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2536349]Vitamin the defiency. Or simply just not high enough levels of it.
But people will just say vitamin the is a hoax, since if everyone took more supplements of vitamin the then not enough people would die.[/QUOTE]Well, if you are high enough north, many people have a vitaminD defficiency over the winter because people don't spend enough time outside. It's relatively difficult to overdose on vitaminD (although doable), so why not, people can supplement. The supplement industry needs to make a buck too. At least we are not talking about hydroxychloroquine.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2536348]You forgot to switch account?[/QUOTE]Nice burn, but not surprising.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2536416]If Switzerland were ground zero, one would think that the most affected would be the local Swiss and the southern border of Germany. Apparently not.[/QUOTE]Stop being so stubborn.
Swiss are evil watchmakers and UK are breeding mutants from fish and chips and jelly pudding to make us pay for all the money the EU stole from them.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2536464]Cycling three weeks in a year and skiing every two years? That's a very intensive training, only real sports fanatics can engage in this, the kind of guys with world class athlete abilities!
[/QUOTE]Mark of a unique talent. Climbing as fast as Tour de France riders without doing many years of regular training. I would like to see some Strava files.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2536289]First round of studies from Israel confirm the effectiveness claimed by Biontech / Pfizer for their vaccine. I expect that soon we will get similar studies using the current vaccination campaigns in US, UK for other vaccines.
Vaccination started slowly in China, but I am not following what happens there.
Eradicating obesity on a global level is a worthy cause, however less practical. Let's just shoot all the people over a certain BMI or over a certain age and we have solved the pandemic.[/QUOTE]May be you can have some look about the New York variant, for which it seems all the vaccines are showing low efficiency and those variant already represents 25% of the cases in NY. Dr Fauci made a conf. Yesterday about it.
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[QUOTE=ShooBree;2536556]Nice burn, but not surprising.[/QUOTE]So no one had ever quoted themselves before to reiterate a point? Interesting.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2536250]Yep. Doesn't look too good from way over here.[/QUOTE]¨Mursenary Mursenary is offline
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How's the COVID racial disparity going over in Europe by the way. Doesn't look too good from way over here.
Yep. Doesn't look too good from way over here.¨
You forgot to use your other account. Hahahahaha.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2536416]If Switzerland were ground zero, one would think that the most affected would be the local Swiss and the southern border of Germany. Apparently not.[/QUOTE]Germans, like us, were asked not to go to Switzerland and everybody can control my information about what happened in famous Wengen on mid January from Christmas tourism when they had to cancel event of the year there, or Saint Moritz and Davos welcoming all over the world tourists, when EU close borders. If only one here is able to prove these information's are wrong, let me know. I don't think so many Swiss to go work in south Germany.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2536258]You don't understand, his lungs are "clean" because of cycling or skiing.[/QUOTE]From my sports, I didn't care about virus for me since 1 year, still meeting WGs, still working at risk rather than staying in my bed waiting to be paid by French government but I would have lost much money, testing my lungs on my climbing's all along last Summer, and if one here wants to come to climb with me, or if you want we go through forbidden lines on the right when going out of Klein Matterhorn tunnel, and even better below after crevaces, to ski below the big rock on the right, what adrenaline there, in Switzerland, then just let me know. If Italy open, I will go from Breuil Cervinia and of course I will return to improve in col de Loze on my Summer tour, now I know about gruppetto speed. I m sure my sports help my health, stamina in life and power for sex, more efficient than Viagra.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2535977]How's the COVID [b]racial disparity[/b] going over in Europe by the way. Doesn't look too good from way over here[/QUOTE][QUOTE=HammerTime96;2536152]
[quote]Originally Posted by Mursenary
Doesn't look too good from way over here.[/quote]
Doesn't look too good? Really? / sarc You might want to look back at you "time capsule" about my predictions again.
Proves once again what kind of *expert* Mursenary (and his other troll usernames) really is.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2536250]
[Quote]Originally Posted by Mursenary
How's the COVID racial disparity going over in Europe by the way. Doesn't look too good from way over here.
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Yep. Doesn't look too good from way over here.[/QUOTE]
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You forgot to use your other account. Hahahahaha.[/QUOTE]Oh children. I guess I'll have to spell it out for you.
Can't make a valid point? Just cut off the person's post. I can see why these same people are the same ones who fall into the conspiracy theorist camp. Deficiencies in reading comprehension and thoroughness.
I know you hyenas are thirsty to take down the lion but do better.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2536252]Sucks that WGs in Germany have had to register with the local government to work as one for the past 3 years. What a travesty and invasion of privacy.[/QUOTE]Despite 1 January 2018 registration, girls kept on for money. Only Mio. De didn't.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2535968]Not France, but just 1 district out of our 97 , but I don't blame Germany to try to protect, even I can still easily go, but nothing to do there out of brothels. This district being under mutants, when no French mutant, where do come these mutants? When more than half new cases are from mutants.[/QUOTE]Funny, Saarland giving tests for French who will have to test every 48 hours, because they say they need their 16.000 French workers to make their business. Everybody can control this information of course. This French district having more than 50% new cases from mutants, mostly UK and some south African which were not born in France. Heard about Californian, Brazilian, new Nigerian, but never about French mutant.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2536590]Mark of a unique talent. Climbing as fast as Tour de France riders without doing many years of regular training. I would like to see some Strava files.[/QUOTE]Before covid which don't help me, I used to ski about 4 weeks per year since nearly 50 years, now very often above 3000 meters high for my more and more extreme spots like Mont Gelé on Verbier side where I had 5 runs for more than 3 hours on 2019 , lift staff looking at me with round eyes, I didn't see any other for so long. Ask doctor about pushing for more than 2 hours to cross 3500 meters high Girose glacier between 2 Alps and la Grave la Meije, or sleeping on top of Stelvio 2752 meters high for 3/4 nights and staying about 70 hours there, or climbing from Bormio, or Prato, or Gavia from Ponte di Legno, my Summer paradise, ask doctor what this make to your lungs, heart and blood, and you can go very often to gym to get the same. Then, easy with girls and no big problem to go up to 180 pulse and more to fuck. Passion help for performance and as say professionals: mind make the difference, making what you never thought you would be able.
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2536362]I don't have to read it. No-covid is the only way. See NZ and AUS, but also SG, TW, China, Korea, etc.[/QUOTE]Actually it's very controversial and full of biases. And for one study like this you can find 5 other ones which will tell the exact opposites. But yes you can read it as long as you don't only read this one.
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LOL -- that one I loved.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2536572]...
Swiss are evil watchmakers and UK are breeding mutants from fish and chips and jelly pudding to make us pay for all the money the EU stole from them.[/QUOTE]
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The racial disparity has nothing to do with social income imbalance. That is just a total lie made by some emo kids and the woke crowds.
It is solely attributed to vitaminD defiency. Basically, there is a reason why people up north have white skin. And that is we need less sunlight to absorb vitaminD. So when darker skinned people move up north, they will need that much more sunlight. Thus they also have much higher levels of vitaminD deficiency. This has been studied to death. So it is a bit retarded that adult people are acting as if nothing. And immature people are putting this alongside hydroxychloroquine.
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Prediction update
[QUOTE=Clodius1;2532135]I cannot say what is going to happen in Deutschland this year and next. Actually, I cannot say what's going to happen anywhere for that matter. BUT. My guess is that American mongers will be ready to board das flugzeug to hop across the pond by das Oktoberfest. What is my reasoning? A convergence of vaccines and herd immunity. The American schools are finally starting to send their kids back into the classrooms, vaccine or not. What do you think is going to happen to all those parents? They are going to get the virus and not bother to get tested or report anything. Meanwhile, 65+ grandma and grandpa are all getting the vaccine. Mongers are dripping in geld here and itching to spend it in FKK. So das ist mein prediction: probably not even worth two cents LOL. Prost![/QUOTE]So, it looks like the USA will have herd immunity / full vaxx by the end of May. [URL]https://wtop.com/coronavirus/2021/03/official-merck-to-help-produce-rival-jjs-covid-19-vaccine/[/URL].
Now the USA mongers will be chaffing at the bit, waiting to see what DE does moving forward. When will Merkel let the American horde back into the NRW and Hesse?
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2536650]From my sports, I didn't care about virus for me since 1 year, still meeting WGs, still working at risk rather than staying in my bed waiting to be paid by French government but I would have lost much money, testing my lungs on my climbing's all along last Summer, and if one here wants to come to climb with me, or if you want we go through forbidden lines on the right when going out of Klein Matterhorn tunnel, and even better below after crevaces, to ski below the big rock on the right, what adrenaline there, in Switzerland, then just let me know. If Italy open, I will go from Breuil Cervinia and of course I will return to improve in col de Loze on my Summer tour, now I know about gruppetto speed. I m sure my sports help my health, stamina in life and power for sex, more efficient than Viagra.[/QUOTE]Guessing the majority of the people on the slopes were Swiss yet Switzerland never saw a Christmas ski bump.
Anecdotes versus data. Educated men make conclusions using data. The data discredits your assumptions.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2536697]The racial disparity has nothing to do with social income imbalance. That is just a total lie made by some emo kids and the woke crowds.
It is solely attributed to vitaminD defiency. Basically, there is a reason why people up north have white skin. And that is we need less sunlight to absorb vitaminD. So when darker skinned people move up north, they will need that much more sunlight. Thus they also have much higher levels of vitaminD deficiency. This has been studied to death. So it is a bit retarded that adult people are acting as if nothing. And immature people are putting this alongside hydroxychloroquine.[/QUOTE]It has been studied to death and as always your conclusions are not correct or at best very controversial.
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3894250/[/URL]
You can go straight to the end of the paper.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2536606]May be you can have some look about the New York variant, for which it seems all the vaccines are showing low efficiency and those variant already represents 25% of the cases in NY. Dr Fauci made a conf. Yesterday about it.[/QUOTE]The more people are infected and the longer they are infected, the more chance the viruses have to change. I still don't see another solution. Less efficient vaccines are still better than nothing and they can be updated too.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2536643] welcoming all over the world tourists, when EU close borders. [/QUOTE]There were not people from all over the world, it was brits and others from within EU. People from high risk locations were supposed to quarantine. When more data about the UK variant came out they panicked and wanted to quarantine the brits but a lot of them just went back home.
The quarantining for people from high risk locations applies to some regions in France too, but I hear some were ignoring that. They were traveling to Switzerland anyway claiming that covid can't possibly infect them since they cycle. Sagan must be really weak if he caught covid.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2536650] ... testing my lungs on my climbing's all along last Summer..[/QUOTE]Please inspire us, post some Strava files.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2536653]Despite 1 January 2018 registration, girls kept on for money. Only Mio. De didn't.[/QUOTE]She registered in Switzerland instead of Germany.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2536348]You forgot to switch account?[/QUOTE]Hahaha, nice catch and no surprise of course. Wil Bill Gates and the WEF lockdown fanatics dock his trolling-for-hire bonus for this? LOL!
Meanwhile, the German lockdown will probably continue beyond Easter which this year will be on April 4th, as suggested by StaSi Agent Merkel: [URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-merkel-idUSKBN21L1CY[/URL].
So how about reopening FKK clubs on June 1st, as some optimists here were dreaming about? Or August 1st? Or how about *never, because by autumn the next 'vaccine-resistant mutations' will more or less guarantee the next series of lockdowns?
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Correction to my last post
I mistakenly copy-pasted a link to a Reuters article from last year.
Here is the article from yesterday: [URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/healthcoronavirus-germany-draft-idUSL5N2L02PY[/URL].
In the German media, there is plenty of rumours about a lockdown up till and perhaps even beyond Easter which falls on April 4th this year;.
[URL]https://www.augsburger-allgemeine.de/politik/Lockdown-bis-Ostern-Die-Plaene-von-Merkel-und-Soeder-vor-dem-Gipfel-id59225181.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.grazia-magazin.de/hot-stories/lockdown-bis-nach-ostern-laesst-merkel-dann-erst-lockerungen-zu-48766.html[/URL]
The good news is that, slowly, there are a few (soft) critical voices in the German media:
[URL]https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/merkel-beugt-sich-druck-vor-corona-gipfel-lockerungen-schon-ab-100er-inzidenz-moeglich/26965860.html[/URL]
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Business trips are to 95% cancelled. If not more. So since almost no american will have any business here. We should be fine to let those 2 us folks in starting after Biden has fulfilled his prophecy. Say June or July? You know how slow we are in europe. It may even take til Aug. Or September.
[QUOTE=Clodius1;2536704]So, it looks like the USA will have herd immunity / full vaxx by the end of May. [URL]https://wtop.com/coronavirus/2021/03/official-merck-to-help-produce-rival-jjs-covid-19-vaccine/[/URL].
Now the USA mongers will be chaffing at the bit, waiting to see what DE does moving forward. When will Merkel let the American horde back into the NRW and Hesse?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2536697]The racial disparity has nothing to do with social income imbalance. That is just a total lie made by some emo kids and the woke crowds.
It is solely attributed to vitaminD defiency. Basically, there is a reason why people up north have white skin. And that is we need less sunlight to absorb vitaminD. So when darker skinned people move up north, they will need that much more sunlight. Thus they also have much higher levels of vitaminD deficiency. This has been studied to death. So it is a bit retarded that adult people are acting as if nothing. And immature people are putting this alongside hydroxychloroquine.[/QUOTE]Bold statement you make there.
I have no problem with people taking vitamin_D supplements. You would need to chug quite a few to overdose. But I don't think it can solve the current issue.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2536830]It has been studied to death and as always your conclusions are not correct or at best very controversial.
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3894250/[/URL]
You can go straight to the end of the paper.[/QUOTE]Straight to the end of the paper huh?
I guess that's what you always do.
Typical sheep attitude. That way there will be less criticism towards the paid propaganda fake research papers.
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I posted a link here to studied showing how covid is related to vitaminD deficiency. But I got censored.
I guess I can try one more time:
[URL]https://youtu.be/ha2mLz-Xdpg[/URL]
Watch it all. Do not skip to the last 10 seconds for maximum IQ increase.
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Documentary from [URL]RT.com[/URL] about prostitution in Germany during Covid lockdowns.
[URL]https://youtu.be/A71NrNtzxb0[/URL]
Although it was uploaded on the 16th of February 2021, some footage appears to be a bit older and from September-October as there is some mentioning of "November" and "December."
Nevertheless IMHO the outlook is still dire: bankrupt brothels and FKK clubs, and WGs and customers forced into illegality.
Technocrats like Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates and Angela Merkel (all childless by the way) will love it: no more small and independent businesses, not more independent WGs, no more reproducing 'evil' humans ("save the planet" and "build back better" and all this bla bla), and only digital sex via the internet only. [URL]https://youtu.be/YkcaeaD45MY[/URL].
Welcome to Agenda 2030, where "you'll own nothing and will be happy." It's not a 'tin-foil hat' conspiracy theory, it's right on their own WEF website while the billionaires travel the world in their fuel-guzzling private jets and limousines and rent out the thing they now own and that you need: [URL]https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/how-life-could-change-2030/[/URL].
Hitler, Stalin and Marx would have been proud of Merkel, Schwab, Blair, Gates, and all those fascist globalists!
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2536854]Please inspire us, post some Strava files.[/QUOTE]There are so many nice cycling events in France: la Marmotte, l'etape du tour, la Corima drome provencale, la time megeve mont blanc and so on.
I'm sure that a great climber with iron lungs could take part in all of these events and win every one!
I took part in la Marmotte some years ago, finished it (and clearly got my ass kicked) but I don't have the supernatural abilities of the best of us.
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[QUOTE=Clodius1;2536704]So, it looks like the USA will have herd immunity / full vaxx by the end of May. [URL]https://wtop.com/coronavirus/2021/03/official-merck-to-help-produce-rival-jjs-covid-19-vaccine/[/URL].
Now the USA mongers will be chaffing at the bit, waiting to see what DE does moving forward. When will Merkel let the American horde back into the NRW and Hesse?[/QUOTE]Of course you will get herd immunity but against which variant, probably not against the new one, like all the viruses covid 19 is mutating a lot like for the normal flue the vaccines are always late. The WHO told yesterday life will not return to normal in 2021 may be even 22. All those debates remain me about the story of HIV, we were promised vaccines, treatments. In fact it took many years to get some solutions like tri therapies.
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2536913]Business trips are to 95% cancelled. If not more. So since almost no american will have any business here. We should be fine to let those 2 us folks in starting after Biden has fulfilled his prophecy. Say June or July? You know how slow we are in europe. It may even take til Aug. Or September.[/QUOTE]I'm afraid that FKK clubs will not reopen in 2021. Yes, go ahead and call me a "pessimist," but the current political atmosphere is simply not favourable.
FKK clubs will be at the bottom of the list in case of any reopening of the economy as it's seen as "seedy and dirty" (not exactly helpful during a 'pandemic') and because it's also regarded as entertainment, it simply has a very low priority.
I sincerely hope I'm wrong but I don't see any real chance, unless there is a sudden "Deus Ex Machina" plot twist to this Covid1984 police state. The 'vaccine?' Meh, most people already have immunity anyway, because 99% of "cases" are with either no symptoms, or just light flu-like symptoms. Besides, as you said, the vaccinating campaigns in most of the EU states are a big mess and are hopelessly behind schedule.
[QUOTE=Kuni042;2536913]It may even take til Aug. Or September.[/QUOTE]Just in time for the regular autumn flu season and the "mutations" and the 3rd (or 4th) "wave."
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2536874]She registered in Switzerland instead of Germany.[/QUOTE]If you knew her better, you would know she works less than 90 days in Switzerland, when I had only 2 rooms with her on her arrival day at Bruggen on a end of May 2015 Sunday, and she was always welcoming really lovely after, even I couldn't anymore.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2536851]There were not people from all over the world, it was brits and others from within EU. People from high risk locations were supposed to quarantine. When more data about the UK variant came out they panicked and wanted to quarantine the brits but a lot of them just went back home.
The quarantining for people from high risk locations applies to some regions in France too, but I hear some were ignoring that. They were traveling to Switzerland anyway claiming that covid can't possibly infect them since they cycle. Sagan must be really weak if he caught covid.[/QUOTE]Check much better, not only Europeans or UK in Saint Moritz and Davos, and I doubt others stayed in quarantine, from how they seemed to enjoy free life there. I was just on transit to brothels, never met any Swiss out of brothels, on 2020, and no visit on this year, when I would have felt really very guilty if amazing Wengen Lauberhorn was cancelled because of me, when cluster there after Christmas, more than 1 month after my last time entering Switzerland.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2536963]Documentary from [URL]RT.com[/URL] about prostitution in Germany during Covid lockdowns.
[URL]https://youtu.be/A71NrNtzxb0[/URL]
Although it was uploaded on the 16th of February 2021, some footage appears to be a bit older and from September-October as there is some mentioning of "November" and "December."
Nevertheless IMHO the outlook is still dire: bankrupt brothels and FKK clubs, and WGs and customers forced into illegality.
Technocrats like Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates and Angela Merkel (all childless by the way) will love it: no more small and independent businesses, not more independent WGs, no more reproducing 'evil' humans ("save the planet" and "build back better" and all this bla bla), and only digital sex via the internet only. [URL]https://youtu.be/YkcaeaD45MY[/URL].
Welcome to Agenda 2030, where "you'll own nothing and will be happy." It's not a 'tin-foil hat' conspiracy theory, it's right on their own WEF website while the billionaires travel the world in their fuel-guzzling private jets and limousines and rent out the thing they now own and that you need: [URL]https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/how-life-could-change-2030/[/URL].
Hitler, Stalin and Marx would have been proud of Merkel, Schwab, Blair, Gates, and all those fascist globalists![/QUOTE]Don't forget about the Gates vaccine that turns everyone into sexless robots! Yes the outlook is quite dire for those bankrupt brothels and FKK clubs, and WGs and customers forced into illegality. How will the brothel survive when they were making more in a month than any small and independent business can dream of making in a year.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2536963]Technocrats like Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates and Angela Merkel (all childless by the way) [/QUOTE]Klaus Schwab has 2 children, Bill Gates has 3. Even you could find this if you would care just a little bit about facts instead of trolling.
Even you can do better, little troll.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2536796]Guessing the majority of the people on the slopes were Swiss yet Switzerland never saw a Christmas ski bump.
Anecdotes versus data. Educated men make conclusions using data. The data discredits your assumptions.[/QUOTE]Look at data for famous Wengen in Bern kanton on mid January and ask them why they cancelled their main event of the year. Why many Swiss kantons are under strict lockdown since months? Because everything is fine in Switzerland? Real facts which happened, but you don't know anything about Switzerland more than your data which are only average, but Germany forbade their citizens to go to ski in Switzerland, same for France, must be a reason, same like WGs choosing me first in brothels. Why do you think Germany and Spain are forbidding UK? Because of Brexit? Because they don't like pasta with orange jam? Because this is better for business, when Germany pay tests for French workers working in Germany, to make their business keep going.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2536854]Please inspire us, post some Strava files.[/QUOTE]Ask your doctor if being fit sporty don't help for strong health and I invite you above Martigny up to Gran San Bernardino, best part being after tunnel, with 9% average for 4 last kilometers which are above 2000 meters high, this really clean lungs and no virus there. Not changing my way of life, even job is much more complicated about safety and administration, kissed so many girls but didn't feel anything bad.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2536985]Of course you will get herd immunity but against which variant, probably not against the new one, like all the viruses covid 19 is mutating a lot like for the normal flue the vaccines are always late. The WHO told yesterday life will not return to normal in 2021 may be even 22. All those debates remain me about the story of HIV, we were promised vaccines, treatments. In fact it took many years to get some solutions like tri therapies.[/QUOTE]Biontech, Moderna, AZ, J&J are all effective against UK variant.
Biontech, Moderna and J&J are effective against SA variant. AZ is less effective against SA variant, but still protects against severe illness.
The CEO of Biontech said that they can develop a vaccine for a new variant in six weeks. Then you need the time for trials and approvals, but it won't take many years. If a new mutant spreads globally you might need a booster shot next year.
Plus, keep in mind that neutralizing antibodies is just one component of the immune response, there are also T cells, memory be cells.
With regards HIV, there was much less money invested compared to Covid, maybe because for a long time it was believed that HIV affects only junkies and gays and it was the 80's. Number of deaths in US peaked around 40 000 early 90's and went in a few years under 10 000 per year. Much smaller problem.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2537011]I'm afraid that FKK clubs will not reopen in 2021.[/QUOTE]A few are open in Switzerland even now. When the number of cases go low enough they will open in Austria and Germany too.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2537011]the vaccinating campaigns in most of the EU states are a big mess and are hopelessly behind schedule. [/QUOTE]There are 55 000 Hausärzte in Germany. Early Easter the Hausärzte start with vaccinations too, not just the Impfzentren. As long as enough vaccine is delivered from the producers they can vaccinate most people by September.
Now stop squirming and I'll jab that needle in your arm.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2537021]If you knew her better, you would know she works less than 90 days in Switzerland, when I had only 2 rooms with her on her arrival day at Bruggen on a end of May 2015 Sunday, and she was always welcoming really lovely after, even I couldn't anymore.[/QUOTE]See, this is why people don't believe you. Whenever you post something that can be verified you fall on your very long nose, Pinocchio.
Have you seen the paperwork that WGs need to file before starting to work? Because I have. They need to register before working the first day.
If they work more than 90 days they need to apply for a work permit.
If they are from EU they can work without a work permit for up to 90 days, but they still need to register.
Please read FZA; SR 0. 142.112. 681.
I guess it's easier if you just make things up.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2536975]I took part in la Marmotte some years ago, finished it.[/QUOTE]Marmotte is fucking insane.
Glandon, Telegraph, Galibier and Alpe the'Huez in one day? Too much for me.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2537011]FKK clubs will be at the bottom of the list in case of any reopening of the economy as it's seen as "seedy and dirty" (not exactly helpful during a 'pandemic') and because it's also regarded as entertainment, it simply has a very low priority.[/QUOTE]People, look, a valid paragraph. Maybe there is hope.
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Herd immunity
[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2537048]Biontech, Moderna, AZ, J&J are all effective against UK variant.
Biontech, Moderna and J&J are effective against SA variant. AZ is less effective against SA variant, but still protects against severe illness.
The CEO of Biontech said that they can develop a vaccine for a new variant in six weeks. Then you need the time for trials and approvals, but it won't take many years. If a new mutant spreads globally you might need a booster shot next year.
Plus, keep in mind that neutralizing antibodies is just one component of the immune response, there are also T cells, memory be cells.
With regards HIV, there was much less money invested compared to Covid, maybe because for a long time it was believed that HIV affects only junkies and gays and it was the 80's. Number of deaths in US peaked around 40 000 early 90's and went in a few years under 10 000 per year. Much smaller problem.[/QUOTE]I agree with everything you say here. But here's the rub: the USA is going to open up, balls to the walls, with the Pfizer Moderna J&J trifecta. Mutant strains be damned. Like you said, the T cells will save the day, not the antibodies. People are going to get the J&J and they are going to get sick with CoronaVirus anyway. And then it's going to be over here. Remember, so far it least, J&J protects you from dying. That's all the lockdown-weary Americans are asking for at this point. Shooting out of my ass a bit here but we'll soon find out one way or the other.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2536943]Bold statement you make there.
I have no problem with people taking vitamin_D supplements. You would need to chug quite a few to overdose. But I don't think it can solve the current issue.[/QUOTE]VitaminD helps immunity by promoting immune cell binding to various mediators of the immune response, nothing new here. The primary determinants of COVID outcome however are chronic comorbities such as diabetes, heart disease, cardiovascular disease, and renal disease. Those have very little to do with VitaminD deficiency. So while VitaminD does help with ward of some infections from overwhelming the immune response, it is by far the most important determinant of COVID outcomes.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2537048]Plus, keep in mind that neutralizing antibodies is just one component of the immune response, there are also T cells, memory be cells.
With regards HIV, there was much less money invested compared to Covid, maybe because for a long time it was believed that HIV affects only junkies and gays and it was the 80's. Number of deaths in US peaked around 40 000 early 90's and went in a few years under 10 000 per year. Much smaller problem.[/QUOTE]Just a little input, Tcells and Bcells work together as part the antibody response. Primary job of Memory Bcells is to quickly mount the antibody response. TCells work to help stimulate the BCells and also as effector cells. The most effective objective of both are to eventually produce an antibody response. TCells in themselves are very inefficient without antibodies to target the microbe or infected cells.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2537031]Look at data for famous Wengen in Bern kanton on mid January and ask them why they cancelled their main event of the year. Why many Swiss kantons are under strict lockdown since months? Because everything is fine in Switzerland? Real facts which happened, but you don't know anything about Switzerland more than your data which are only average, but Germany forbade their citizens to go to ski in Switzerland, same for France, must be a reason, same like WGs choosing me first in brothels. Why do you think Germany and Spain are forbidding UK? Because of Brexit? Because they don't like pasta with orange jam? Because this is better for business, when Germany pay tests for French workers working in Germany, to make their business keep going.[/QUOTE]Wengen events happened around January 10th. No uptick in Western European cases (except France's steady incline since December) until mid to late February. Math doesn't add up.
Eastern Europe began to see uptick in cases in late January. Math still does not add up. But if we are extremely generous with incubation periods, the British variant would have been brought to Switzerland at the beginning of January, brought to Eastern Europe with an unusually long incubation period, then spread back to Western Europe. What are the chances that richer residents of France, Germany, Italy, Netherland going skiing in expensive Switzerland and not bringing back the virus variant but the poorer residents of Eastern Europe going to rich ski resorts in Switzerland and bringing it back to Eastern Europe, only to spread it back to Western Europe.
Quite statistically unlikely and would be case against Occam's Razor. But think as you wish.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2537048]Biontech, Moderna, AZ, J&J are all effective against UK variant.
Biontech, Moderna and J&J are effective against SA variant. AZ is less effective against SA variant, but still protects against severe illness.
The CEO of Biontech said that they can develop a vaccine for a new variant in six weeks. Then you need the time for trials and approvals, but it won't take many years. If a new mutant spreads globally you might need a booster shot next year.
Plus, keep in mind that neutralizing antibodies is just one component of the immune response, there are also T cells, memory be cells.
With regards HIV, there was much less money invested compared to Covid, maybe because for a long time it was believed that HIV affects only junkies and gays and it was the 80's. Number of deaths in US peaked around 40 000 early 90's and went in a few years under 10 000 per year. Much smaller problem.[/QUOTE]All this looks very promising and signs more or less the end of the covid 10 pandemic and crisis. I don t understand why the WHO and Anthony Fauci were so negative just few days back.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2537031]Look at data for famous Wengen in Bern kanton on mid January.[/QUOTE]Please, show the data. Show the data how Wengen or Davos spread Covid in Europe.
You were told that data contradicts your opinions. And you post more opinions.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2536830]It has been studied to death and as always your conclusions are not correct or at best very controversial.
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3894250/[/URL]
You can go straight to the end of the paper.[/QUOTE]More supporting evidence from the USA:
Latinos die at at 2.3 x death rate of white Americans. Black Americans 1.9 x.
Who has lower average VitaminD levels? Black people.
Who are more socioeconomically disconnected? Latinos.
COVID death rates: Latinos = worse than black Americans ( 20% worse):
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-race-ethnicity.html[/URL]
VitaminD Deficiency: Black Americans = worse than Latino Americans (33% worse).
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6075634/[/URL]#sec1 title.
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[QUOTE=Clodius1;2537094]I agree with everything you say here. But here's the rub: the USA is going to open up, balls to the walls, with the Pfizer Moderna J&J trifecta. Mutant strains be damned. Like you said, the T cells will save the day, not the antibodies. People are going to get the J&J and they are going to get sick with CoronaVirus anyway. And then it's going to be over here. Remember, so far it least, J&J protects you from dying. That's all the lockdown-weary Americans are asking for at this point. Shooting out of my ass a bit here but we'll soon find out one way or the other.[/QUOTE]Lockdowns are a very blunt instrument, the only thing they do is buy some time. A lot makes no sense. I can understand that you don't want an Irish pub to be bursting at the seams on an early Saturday afternoon when there are two 6 Nations games that day. But I don't understand why the flower shop down the street where I have never, ever seen more than one customer inside had to be closed too. People couldn't play tennis even outdoors until 1 March here, but ski was fine even if people have to cram in gondolas to get up the mountain. There are so many Tüpflischiissers in the bureaucracy here and they can't come up with something better after almost one year.
About the US, at least Switzerland keeps US on the list of high risk countries, that means they need to quarantine when they arrive. I think the EU regulations are similar. Traveling from countries / regions with high incidents of mutants is verboten. If a US variant becomes dominant it would apply to them too.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2537055]There are 55 000 Hausärzte in Germany. Early Easter the Hausärzte start with vaccinations too, not just the Impfzentren. As long as enough vaccine is delivered from the producers they can vaccinate most people by September.
Now stop squirming and I'll jab that needle in your arm.[/QUOTE]To be fair, you said "most EU countries". Yes, I know Switzerland is not EU, but I only looked at Switzerland and Germany. I think in DE and CH they say that they will offer vaccines to everybody who wants it by June / July, they will get all needed shots in arms to everybody who wants it by September / October. Might be important for the supply of WGs, Romania is ahead of Germany with vaccinations. I still think that currently the main issue is not enough vaccines, that should improve significantly in Q2.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2537023]Check much better, not only Europeans or UK in Saint Moritz and Davos, and I doubt others stayed in quarantine, from how they seemed to enjoy free life there. I was just on transit to brothels, never met any Swiss out of brothels, on 2020, and no visit on this year, when I would have felt really very guilty if amazing Wengen Lauberhorn was cancelled because of me, when cluster there after Christmas, more than 1 month after my last time entering Switzerland.[/QUOTE]I checked much better, the same rules applied with people arriving from whatever were the countries on the high risk list at the time. The issue with the brits was that they were put on high risk list after they already arrived in Switzerland. If people decided not to respect the rules, it's on them.
And I know that you know that the transit regulation is meant to allow people to drive let's say from France to Austria. You decided to claim that going to brothels somehow is transit. Even when Paris region was on the high risk list, you decided to ignore because there were no checks at the borders. You didn't meet Swiss people out of brothels, but you met Swiss people in brothels, how can that not count? You moan about brits going skiing like that is higher risk than you going to brothels. Just say that you don't care as long as you can get away with it and spare me the fake "I would have felt really very guilty" , spare me your self-righteousness and virtue signalling.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2537011]the vaccinating campaigns in most of the EU states are a big mess and are hopelessly behind schedule.
[/QUOTE]That's a good thing for you! You can't both be against vaccination and complain about slow vaccination.
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I heard about the 6 week development comment by the Biontech Ceo. But that is only the development. Who says cdc in USA or EU will automatically approve each new version? And what if the virus changes so much that it leads to new effects on the body?
In any case, I'll just keep boosting my vitD levels.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2537137]All this looks very promising and signs more or less the end of the covid 10 pandemic and crisis. I don t understand why the WHO and Anthony Fauci were so negative just few days back.[/QUOTE]I don't really follow what is happening in the US. I would guess Fauci wants that reopening doesn't happen too fast, first get people shots in arms, then lift restriction. I can understand that there is big pressure from a social and economic point of view to lift the restrictions, it's a tricky balance.
WHO probably thinks at global level. While EU, US might have enough, there are plenty of poorer countries that have to wait their turn. At global level this will not be finished this year.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2537128]Wengen events happened around January 10th. No uptick in Western European cases (except France's steady incline since December) until mid to late February. Math doesn't add up..[/QUOTE][URL]https://labs.letemps.ch/interactive/2020/carte-coronavirus-monde/?ref=desktopbanner[/URL]#cantons-anchor.
Switzerland: the number cases for 100 k inhabitants is globally decreasing in every canton since Christmas. Now the most affected Canton is Vaud (130-150 cases for 100 k habitants). Berne is under 100 new cases.
[URL]https://covidtracker.fr/covidexplorer/[/URL]
France: it has been globally slowly increasing since the beginning of December.
Now the three most affected regions are:
Ile de France: 330.
Hauts de France: 350.
Provence Alpes Cote the'Azur: 360.
Mid January: Berne 240 / Ile de France 200.
What a terrible situation in Switzerland!
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2537146]Please, show the data. Show the data how Wengen or Davos spread Covid in Europe.
You were told that data contradicts your opinions. And you post more opinions.[/QUOTE]Wengen was a cluster and not me but Bern kanton decided to cancel most important event, Lauberhorn, is it not true? With Worldcup moving to Kitzbühel earlier, must be a real reason Swiss administration decided to lose money, not so usual for them. What made this cluster? Not me for sure, when I always gave my real name and phone on my visits at Globe, Amesia, Freubad where they checked, Zeus, I m not a Donald, and was never contacted about a cluster there. I think less controls in very rich Saint Moritz and Davos, I doubt they control rich foreign tourists in 5 stars, when was reported on international news, compare to borders. When Germans don t seem to like much Swiss, even I think Swiss administration are robbery, but I love Wallis and people there, some speaking German like in Saas Grund, Saas Fe and Zermatt. Why a so strict lockdown since a while in Switzerland if everything is so fine? Why Germany and France forbid us to go? Must be reasons, maybe not on data, but real facts.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2537297]I don't really follow what is happening in the US. I would guess Fauci wants that reopening doesn't happen too fast, first get people shots in arms, then lift restriction. I can understand that there is big pressure from a social and economic point of view to lift the restrictions, it's a tricky balance.
WHO probably thinks at global level. While EU, US might have enough, there are plenty of poorer countries that have to wait their turn. At global level this will not be finished this year.[/QUOTE]A certain clientele wants Thailand to open. I don't see it happening until Christmas or so but would concede I'm no expert on that country. They have barely started and I have even less confidence in them than the Swedish authorities. Hope I'm wrong for more than one reason.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2537128]Wengen events happened around January 10th. No uptick in Western European cases (except France's steady incline since December) until mid to late February. Math doesn't add up.
Eastern Europe began to see uptick in cases in late January. Math still does not add up. But if we are extremely generous with incubation periods, the British variant would have been brought to Switzerland at the beginning of January, brought to Eastern Europe with an unusually long incubation period, then spread back to Western Europe. What are the chances that richer residents of France, Germany, Italy, Netherland going skiing in expensive Switzerland and not bringing back the virus variant but the poorer residents of Eastern Europe going to rich ski resorts in Switzerland and bringing it back to Eastern Europe, only to spread it back to Western Europe.
Quite statistically unlikely and would be case against Occam's Razor. But think as you wish.[/QUOTE]I don't know for Eastern Europe but I know more than 50% new cases in France are mutants, mainly the one born in UK on end of last year, spreading faster and killing more, reason why UK are forbidden in Germany and Spain, not for pleasure. UK are not forbidden in France, they even made a cluster in Vallorcine on Swiss border. Belgium closed borders, Germany closed with Czech and wanted with Austrian Tirol, ski paradise, also under UK mutant. Western EU is afraid and try to protect versus mutants and mainly UK. I'm pretty sure as long mutants in EU, no way for brothels, when no Western continental European mutant exist.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2537233]In any case, I'll just keep boosting my vitD levels.[/QUOTE]How? With an oral solution?
Don't you know that Covid-19 was created by the evil big pharma corporation (Sanofi and other pedophile pizzeria cult companies) to sell to sheeples their disgusting vitamin the solution? I just read on the internet that there is a nano chip inside, they will track you! Beware!
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2537336]I don't know for Eastern Europe but I know more than 50% new cases in France are mutants, mainly the one born in UK on end of last year, spreading faster and killing more, reason why UK are forbidden in Germany and Spain, not for pleasure. UK are not forbidden in France, they even made a cluster in Vallorcine on Swiss border. Belgium closed borders, Germany closed with Czech and wanted with Austrian Tirol, ski paradise, also under UK mutant. Western EU is afraid and try to protect versus mutants and mainly UK. I'm pretty sure as long mutants in EU, no way for brothels, when no Western continental European mutant exist.[/QUOTE]That's nice. Still does not support claim that UK variant spread to Western Europe through Switzerland.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2537316]Wengen was a cluster and not me but Bern kanton decided to cancel most important event, Lauberhorn, is it not true?
Why a so strict lockdown since a while in Switzerland if everything is so fine? Why Germany and France forbid us to go? Must be reasons, maybe not on data, but real facts.[/QUOTE]New Zealand has been on strick lockdowns with very few cases. Recently they implemented a lock down when one 1 untraceable case was found. Lockdowns do not mean high numbers.
So I'll ask again, where's the data? Or are you on the same level as the conspiracy goons? I pegged you with psych issues, not issues of intellect. Was I wrong? I'd rather be proven wrong here.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2537353]How? With an oral solution?[/QUOTE]LOL, yeah some dudes love the_D. Hey it's 2021, let's keep an open mind and accept people from alternative walks of life.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2537471]That's nice. Still does not support claim that UK variant spread to Western Europe through Switzerland.[/QUOTE]No, not only from Switzerland and I never wrote this, when I wrote also in Austrian Tirol with ski tourism and under mutant, Bavaria wanted to close border with, also in France where UK mutant cluster in Vallorcine close to Verbier where UK couldn't stay, so they stayed in France. In Moselle 57 on German border, 50% new cases are mutant, so I find normal Germany try to protect, but German companies need 16.000 French workers and are buying tests for them to keep them working to make business and all these people needing to keep their job to feed their family. UK made clusters in Western continental Europe, mostly around ski spots they visited and then spreading with other people returning at home, with Belgium which was out of control and closed borders, not helping for their economy, Germany and Spain forbidding them and still right now, also not the best for their economy, but to protect versus mutants. When your data are only average figures, as we say in sport, details make performance. Same when I write about Swiss administration, but I never wrote Swiss people are robbers, even in brothels where I found really flexible staff at Freubad, Amesia and even number 2 Fritz at Globe. But I find covid is a real mirror for what is US society which prefer to play blind, far from American dream for so many millions, as told Texans with no water under cold: we feel to live in a third world country, at least for social, really not number 1 on this point. And yes, of course also too many deaths in France, but I find very good children could go to school and if I want I can go to buy new ski, but no others on Scott Neo 66 level for free ride and sharp curve to cut the ice between rocks, or can buy a less than 9 KGs new bicycle but I built mine with 34/32 and 36, for extreme, more than 20% steep climbing, when no interest for me to climb long Lautaret on 54/24, even I love Lautaret under snow, but to make my car rallye there, even I was not so convinced by quattro.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2537336] ... UK are not forbidden in France ... [/QUOTE]Well, there you go. Maybe that is the reason why you have so much UK variant in France. Occam's razor.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2537487] I pegged you with psych issues, not issues of intellect. Was I wrong? I'd rather be proven wrong here.[/QUOTE]My bet is on both.
Funny how he doesn't let this one go. He drops other claims when confronted, of course not accepting "hey, I was wrong there, stand corrected" just dropping the issue, like the one with WGs not needing to register in Switzerland.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2537521]No, not only from Switzerland and I never wrote this, when I wrote also in Austrian Tirol with ski tourism and under mutant, Bavaria wanted to close border with, also in France where UK mutant cluster in Vallorcine close to Verbier where UK couldn't stay, so they stayed in France.[/QUOTE]Well let's see what you did write:
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2532543]But do you know UK brought their mutant in Switzerland when they went to ski for Christmas and Sylvester, meeting other nationalities and then UK mutant spread now in Switzerland neighbours. Now also south African in south Tirol Austria or France close to German border[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Sirioja;2534218]UK is far over 100000 deaths, they spread mutant all over Western Europe, helped by everything for money Switzerland cluster in the middle of EU, so now we have more UK mutant new cases than the original one.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2535725]Apparently stratifying covid data by race is taboo in much of Europe but France's aversion to collecting racial data regarding covid has been brought to attention:
[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/coronavirus-france-race-data/2020/06/25/e5b4d0a6-b58d-11ea-9a1d-d3db1cbe07ce_story.html%3FoutputType%3Damp[/URL]
Similar disparities can probably be seen everywhere but apparently it is taboo to report racial data in Europe:
[URL]Www.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN27Z0M3[/URL].[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Sirioja;2537521]But I find covid is a real mirror for what is US society which prefer to play blind, far from American dream for so many millions, as told Texans with no water under cold: we feel to live in a third world country, at least for social, really not number 1 on this point.[/QUOTE]The US is not the only western nation guilty of playing blind. But at least we collect data rather than hiding it such as the policy in Europe.
If criticizing the US's lower income areas such as Texas or the rest of the South, perhaps try visiting the poor nations of Europe for comparison. I'm guessing the American South is doing much better than Slovakia, Bulgaria, and Romania, not to mention the Balkan nations.
Remove the emotion and ego in debate. Come back with data.
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Many French medical don t run to get AZ vaccine, I also won t run for any, I prefer to test my lungs on my climbing, most up to higher than 2000 meters high, but wish those who need will be protected and warmer weather will help to be stronger to fight.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2537704]The US is not the only western nation guilty of playing blind. But at least we collect data rather than hiding it such as the policy in Europe.
If criticizing the US's lower income areas such as Texas or the rest of the South, perhaps try visiting the poor nations of Europe for comparison. I'm guessing the American South is doing much better than Slovakia, Bulgaria, and Romania, not to mention the Balkan nations.
Remove the emotion and ego in debate. Come back with data.[/QUOTE]How can US have really reliable for your data among 11 millions illegals and more than 50 millions without insurance, 20% population who are sick and die hidden in the dark, when they are weakest about virus because poorest, but unknown when can t pay hospital. In France, everybody and even foreigners can go to our hospitals. I thought quite independent Texas with independent water was rich from petrol, before the fall. Data don t mean so reliable, for example in China. Like in brothels, I prefer real facts.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2537769]How can US have really reliable for your data among 11 millions illegals and more than 50 millions without insurance, 20% population who are sick and die hidden in the dark, when they are weakest about virus because poorest, but unknown when can t pay hospital. In France, everybody and even foreigners can go to our hospitals. I thought quite independent Texas with independent water was rich from petrol, before the fall. Data don t mean so reliable, for example in China.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Sirioja;2537769]I prefer real facts.[/QUOTE]But like so many on this thread you bandy about the word "facts" but don't have any. For one thing the uninsured including illegals can go to US hospitals and get service. A bill may come in the mail later, but's it's meaningless with no ability to pay. I'm sure Mercenary will cover the rest.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2537769]How can US have really reliable for your data among 11 millions illegals and more than 50 millions without insurance, 20% population who are sick and die hidden in the dark, when they are weakest about virus because poorest, but unknown when can t pay hospital. In France, everybody and even foreigners can go to our hospitals. I thought quite independent Texas with independent water was rich from petrol, before the fall. Data don t mean so reliable, for example in China. Like in brothels, I prefer real facts.[/QUOTE]For the same reason you're okay with quoting data such as 11 million illegals. As if Europe does not also have millions of unauthorize residents.
Also,
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2532543]But do you know UK brought their mutant in Switzerland when they went to ski for Christmas and Sylvester, meeting other nationalities and then UK mutant spread now in Switzerland neighbours. Now also south African in south Tirol Austria or France close to German border and even new Nigerian one now arriving, when EU medical is waiting for mutants high peak on March, when our second vaccine AZ is not efficient versus mutants. Do all your figures posted here know about this when EU medical worry and they should know better than you about EU. Wish at least you know a bit about US. 4 mutants are now in western Europe.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Sirioja;2534218]When one here claims everything going better, but Biden cried yesterday for now more than 500000 deaths and not finished, when not really knowing for illegals nor millions without insurance, when rich Texas fell under cold with no water. Compare to optimistic statistics put here, real figures are just sad for me. UK is far over 100000 deaths, they spread mutant all over Western Europe, helped by everything for money Switzerland cluster in the middle of EU, so now we have more UK mutant new cases than the original one. Of course, can t blame Germany to try to protect, forbidding UK like Spain, or thinking to close inside EU borders, or thinking about sputnik when not enough vaccine. Like for everything and in brothels, I always prefer real facts and figures, rather than beautiful draws, when I think Biden told only about 400000 on superbowl not long ago, meaning 100 000 more deaths very fast, when 4000 on some days. But of course, can only wish for less deaths, and maybe a bit of ski if Italy open on April.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2537765]Many French medical don t run to get AZ vaccine, I also won t run for any, I prefer to test my lungs on my climbing, most up to higher than 2000 meters high, but wish those who need will be protected and warmer weather will help to be stronger to fight.[/QUOTE]Nearly 70% French medical don't want to vaccine with AZ, when they really fought to cure and save French, and French have really to thank them. AZ seem considered as low level vaccine in France and Germany, and not given to older than 75. Moderna with French boss, only start to arrive. Hungary is already using sputnik Vladimir.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2537543]Well, there you go. Maybe that is the reason why you have so much UK variant in France. Occam's razor.[/QUOTE]Don't you know about Channel tunnel? UK mostly entering continental Europe through France, when Belgium decided to close borders. When France decided to keep schools and many stores open and I fully agree with this, but I don't take economic decisions for France, when my meaning was clusters in ski spots visited by UK, in Wengen, Tirol and Vallorcine. FR close to Verbier. UK spread all around Western Europe, reason why Germany and Spain forbidden them and still now. Many UK living in France returned to their family for Christmas / new year and brought back mutant gift with them when returning to their new home in France, reason why we have 50% mutant for new cases, mutant spreading faster and killing more, unfortunately for us.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2537194]I checked much better, the same rules applied with people arriving from whatever were the countries on the high risk list at the time. The issue with the brits was that they were put on high risk list after they already arrived in Switzerland. If people decided not to respect the rules, it's on them.
And I know that you know that the transit regulation is meant to allow people to drive let's say from France to Austria. You decided to claim that going to brothels somehow is transit. Even when Paris region was on the high risk list, you decided to ignore because there were no checks at the borders. You didn't meet Swiss people out of brothels, but you met Swiss people in brothels, how can that not count? You moan about brits going skiing like that is higher risk than you going to brothels. Just say that you don't care as long as you can get away with it and spare me the fake "I would have felt really very guilty" , spare me your self-righteousness and virtue signalling.[/QUOTE]When I'm not a Donald like many, and always gave my true private data at Freubad where they even checked ID, Amesia, Globe where Fritz knows I'm French and asking to call a number, or Zeus, but was never contacted about a cluster after my many visits, when I gave my real data to be contacted if problem, not to give to people around me. I'm fully sure I'm much more safe for others in brothels than most. Never caught anything bad and none of my girls never told me about.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2537060]See, this is why people don't believe you. Whenever you post something that can be verified you fall on your very long nose, Pinocchio.
Have you seen the paperwork that WGs need to file before starting to work? Because I have. They need to register before working the first day.
If they work more than 90 days they need to apply for a work permit.
If they are from EU they can work without a work permit for up to 90 days, but they still need to register.
Please read FZA; SR 0. 142.112. 681.
I guess it's easier if you just make things up.[/QUOTE]I never asked her details but lovely Mio. De always told me easier for her to work for less than 90 days in Switzerland than registrating in Germany, even she prefers GT for 50/30 than Globe. But I invite you for Swiss side Gran San Bernardino which is more difficult than Alpe Huez. I will be on my Summer tour, entering from Aosta because I like to see Scott skis factory.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2537704]The US is not the only western nation guilty of playing blind. But at least we collect data rather than hiding it such as the policy in Europe.
If criticizing the US's lower income areas such as Texas or the rest of the South, perhaps try visiting the poor nations of Europe for comparison. I'm guessing the American South is doing much better than Slovakia, Bulgaria, and Romania, not to mention the Balkan nations.
Remove the emotion and ego in debate. Come back with data.[/QUOTE]You can live in a poor area or country and be happy. I prefer 1000 times to live in a small house in Romania or Bulgaria than in a luxurious apartment in NY or Frankfurt. Living in a apartment is just a nightmare for me. All our western world is sick, we just have to look about the obesity rates, human are animals and lucky animals starting by cats and dogs are not obese, when they are obese means something is wrong. Addictions of all kinds are skyrocketing, starting by alcohol which is just a terrible drug killing 3 million people per year and you still have people believing that a Chateau lafitte or Moet Chandon. Are something else than a drug and poison. If you get a liver problem the surgeon will not tell you that he can save you because you only druck famous and expensive French wines or champagne and on the contrary he can do nothing if you drunk cheap wine from I don t no where. You will get the same cancer or cirrhosis.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2537933]Don't you know about Channel tunnel? UK mostly entering continental Europe through France, when Belgium decided to close borders.[/QUOTE]Yep, more likely through France, not Switzerland as you previously tried to blame.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2537826]For the same reason you're okay with quoting data such as 11 million illegals. As if Europe does not also have millions of unauthorize residents.
Also,[/QUOTE]USA GDP per capita in 2019 (in chained 2012 US dollars) : 58 055. Source: [URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/248133/per-capita-us-real-gross-domestic-product-gdp/[/URL].
Texas GDP per capita in 2019 (in chained 2012 us dollars) : 61 682. Source: [URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/248063/per-capita-us-real-gross-domestic-product-gdp-by-state/[/URL].
Not so bad for a third world country.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2537826]For the same reason you're okay with quoting data such as 11 million illegals. As if Europe does not also have millions of unauthorize residents.
Also,[/QUOTE]Are you sure your data include cases and deaths among so many, around 20% of population illegals and with no insurance who won t go to hospital when they know they can t pay the bill, and when I m sure we should agree virus kill more poor than rich, so should be higher rate among these 20% not going to hospital. What about Chinese or Russian data? Are they reliable? I trust more US but I think US just can t know with millions of hidden ghosts afraid of administration. I would also not trust so much about Switzerland when administration is ready for anything for money, from dark banks in the past, and different behind curtain, our little China in Europe. Now new mutant in Amazonie killing about 2000 people per day, when not cold weather. When Germany ask their citizens not to go abroad, not sure they will welcome not EU, when forbidding UK who are also forbidden in Spain and Italy now. If Bavarian goes after Angela, when he wanted to close border with Tirol under mutant, to protect, not so sure Germany will welcome mutants from everywhere.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2538075]Are you sure your data include cases and deaths among so many, around 20% of population illegals and with no insurance who won t go to hospital when they know they can t pay the bill, and when I m sure we should agree virus kill more poor than rich, so should be higher rate among these 20% not going to hospital. What about Chinese or Russian data? Are they reliable? I trust more US but I think US just can t know with millions of hidden ghosts afraid of administration. I would also not trust so much about Switzerland when administration is ready for anything for money, from dark banks in the past, and different behind curtain, our little China in Europe. Now new mutant in Amazonie killing about 2000 people per day, when not cold weather. When Germany ask their citizens not to go abroad, not sure they will welcome not EU, when forbidding UK who are also forbidden in Spain and Italy now. If Bavarian goes after Angela, when he wanted to close border with Tirol under mutant, to protect, not so sure Germany will welcome mutants from everywhere.[/QUOTE]Facts: United States law states that emergent medical services cannot be denied regardless of payment / insurance status. This includes hospitalizations due to COVID. While primary, general practice is restricted due lack of insurance, medical care due to COVID hospitalization and thus death is not heavily affected by lack of insurance.
As such, racial mortality data in the United States is more informative than the lack of such data in Europe due to Europe's reluctance to publish racial statistics.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2537933]Don't you know about Channel tunnel? UK mostly entering continental Europe through France...[/QUOTE]You are making my point here, and you don't even realize it.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2538075]Are you sure your data ... bla bla bla.[/QUOTE]So where is your data? You just post your usual rambling jumping through 5 subjects without any connection.
You never learned about logical reasoning?
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2537552]Funny how he doesn't let this one go. He drops other claims when confronted, of course not accepting "hey, I was wrong there, stand corrected" just dropping the issue,[/QUOTE]Admit error? Will never happen.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2538278]Admit error? Will never happen.[/QUOTE]To give you big pleasure, I can tell you France also have too many deaths and poor in district 93 are also more at risk than rich. France will probably go to 100000, this killing my mood, so had only 2 escort meeting on this year, repeating with charming Ukrainian. I thank guys and girls on Worldcup, even no Wengen Lauberhorn, and on free ride tour, to give me a bit of dream watching them. I'm happy to see children happy to go to school, to see their friends, when schools stayed open since May, I can go to stores, I can work even much more complicated about safety, and I have no lack about brothels, not what I call addiction, when I always knew and as say girls, some thinking I m in love due to my manners treating them: I control everything.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2537944]You can live in a poor area or country and be happy. I prefer 1000 times to live in a small house in Romania or Bulgaria than in a luxurious apartment in NY or Frankfurt. Living in a apartment is just a nightmare for me. All our western world is sick, we just have to look about the obesity rates, human are animals and lucky animals starting by cats and dogs are not obese, when they are obese means something is wrong. Addictions of all kinds are skyrocketing, starting by alcohol which is just a terrible drug killing 3 million people per year and you still have people believing that a Chateau lafitte or Moet Chandon. Are something else than a drug and poison. If you get a liver problem the surgeon will not tell you that he can save you because you only druck famous and expensive French wines or champagne and on the contrary he can do nothing if you drunk cheap wine from I don t no where. You will get the same cancer or cirrhosis.[/QUOTE]There are over 300 different toxins found in the average western European person. From the air, the food we eat, the drinks we buy and even the stuff we buy on amazon, ikea or any random shop.
Fact is that these poisons kill. And they are the only reason for every disease we have in the whole world. Including why people get sick from covid.
But don't listen to Nursenaries. They don't even know that Bulgaria and Romania are both located on the balkans. You need intelligence and awareness to know such things. And when that is lacking in one area, well just guess where else it may be lacking also?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2538116]As such, racial mortality data in the United States is more informative than the lack of such data in Europe due to Europe's reluctance to publish racial statistics.[/QUOTE]Indeed. Because then people. Ordinary people. Might just realize that vitaminD is the key to reducing the risk of covid. But even Americans are lying about this fact.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2538337]Indeed. Because then people. Ordinary people. Might just realize that vitaminD is the key to reducing the risk of covid. But even Americans are lying about this fact.[/QUOTE]Actually it's been made public some time ago (but like a long time) that vitamin the was very likely to decrease the number of severe cases of covid. I knew you were some kind of PR agent for oceans, are you also involved with some pharmaceutical company?
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2538319]To give you big pleasure, I can tell you France also have too many deaths and poor in district 93 are also more at risk than rich. France will probably go to 100000, this killing my mood, so had only 2 escort meeting on this year, repeating with charming Ukrainian. I thank guys and girls on Worldcup, even no Wengen Lauberhorn, and on free ride tour, to give me a bit of dream watching them. I'm happy to see children happy to go to school, to see their friends, when schools stayed open since May, I can go to stores, I can work even much more complicated about safety, and I have no lack about brothels, not what I call addiction, when I always knew and as say girls, some thinking I m in love due to my manners treating them: [b]I control everything.[/b][/QUOTE]Maintaining an alternate reality sounds really exhausting. So much easier to live in the real world.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2538459]Maintaining an alternate reality sounds really exhausting. So much easier to live in the real world.[/QUOTE]Well, for some people the feedback from the real world can be terribly hurtful.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2538435]Actually it's been made public some time ago (but like a long time) that vitamin the was very likely to decrease the number of severe cases of covid. I knew you were some kind of PR agent for oceans, are you also involved with some pharmaceutical company?[/QUOTE]Not for Oceans. And not for the pharma industry.
But you are learning when it comes to how widespread this is. However, you shoot yourself in the foot given how much you act like you love the vaccine companies. It is like arguing against yourself. And suddenly out of nowhere you also claim to have heard about vitaminD a long long time ago. So I take it you did some research now after my posts, and act like you knew something before. Yet it is very obvious that you didn't.
How does it feel to be found out as an unknowledgeable wannabe?
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I think you don't get it (as usual). VitaminD is one of the factors that decrease the risks of developing a severe form, like blood type O, having no comorbidities and so on. But the only way to avoid getting sick (with something like a 90 % chance) is the vaccine. Got it?
I know you like shortcuts especially when they match your conspiracy theories. What will you say next time, that the planet earth is flat? And did you read the article I showed you, especially the part where they explained that despite the fact that black people have a lower vitaminD level in their blood, the available part for the organism is about the same, that's why they don't develop sickness usually associated with a deficiency in vitaminD, like bone fragility?
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2538156]So where is your data? You just post your usual rambling jumping through 5 subjects without any connection.
You never learned about logical reasoning?[/QUOTE]Still about 1400 deaths per day in US for more than 525 000 = 1,5% even with vaccine, they keep on competing with Brazil with crazy Bolzonaro for daily rate. I didn't think so many 72 000 deaths in Germany, they really suffered on second wave and I won't blame them to protect, when also elections for after Angela soon, not time to take risk, but to make safety to be elected. Rich Switzerland already have 9300 = 1,1% . After UK few months ago, I m very sad for Italy which reached 100 000 , when France is not far from 90 000 = 1,28% . My bad but real data, even I prefer to understand how virus move, when tourists go to a place and bringing back with them, spreading in their country. I never received any brothel message after my visits.
For my data about bicycle, when some I know their look, just make me laugh, when I never saw a expensive bicycle, even with electric gears or disc brakes or less than 7,5 kgs, climbing alone, when most often with 39/28 , sometimes 34/28 , to climb Furkapass higher than 2400 meters high on 39/28 or 34/30 , same for telegraphe, most of 17 kms of Galibier except 4 kms after plan Lachat and last kilometer above tunnel, but when you ever tried steeper than 20% , if you are able, then my 1000 € bicycle I prepared with 34/32 and 36 and all guys who really climb a bit look at it, because race technique and much more performing than expensive Pinarello or Cannondale, and legs, heart, mind and passion are more efficient than expensive beautiful bicycle. When I read only written since 2 years at the bottom of Mortirolo in Mazzo Valtellina: follow your passion, I feel they wrote for me. Look at Mortirolo and Zocolan profiles and welcome to real climbing to clean lungs when they burn so much, best technique being to be able to forget pain everywhere, in muscles, lungs, head and to keep on for passion. When you arrive on top of Zoncolan, after the 3 tunnels, Italians support you as a heroe, when I climbed 5 times, a bit same than free ride runs under lift, between rocks down Mont Gelé on Verbier side, a real fall then die. My real pleasure for both extreme.
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I heard medical about vitamin De making stronger, why most are stronger under sun and heat, because making more vitamin De, but if blood O and being sporty fit also help, then I understand better when I didn't change my way of life, except can't ski, but still kissing girls. When vaccined can still catch and give, healthy type O may be as efficient as low level AZ as say French medical who don't want it.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2538335]There are over 300 different toxins found in the average western European person. From the air, the food we eat, the drinks we buy and even the stuff we buy on amazon, ikea or any random shop.
Fact is that these poisons kill. And they are the only reason for every disease we have in the whole world. Including why people get sick from covid.[/QUOTE]The only reason for every disease, really? Another bold statement.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2538684]I heard medical about vitamin De making stronger, why most are stronger under sun and heat, because making more vitamin De, but if blood O and being sporty fit also help, then I understand better when I didn't change my way of life, except can't ski, but still kissing girls. When vaccined can still catch and give, healthy type O may be as efficient as low level AZ as say French medical who don't want it.[/QUOTE]Ah yes, people with type O blood type transmit covid less than vaccinated people. Famous double blind study published in the famous "I pulled something out of my ass quarterly" medical journal.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2538680]Still about 1400 deaths per day in US for more than 525 000 = 1,5% even with vaccine, they keep on competing with Brazil with crazy Bolzonaro for daily rate. I didn't think so many 72 000 deaths in Germany, they really suffered on second wave and I won't blame them to protect, when also elections for after Angela soon, not time to take risk, but to make safety to be elected. Rich Switzerland already have 9300 = 1,1% . After UK few months ago, I m very sad for Italy which reached 100 000 , when France is not far from 90 000 = 1,28% . My bad but real data, even I prefer to understand how virus move, when tourists go to a place and bringing back with them, spreading in their country. I never received any brothel message after my visits.[/QUOTE]So what does that have to do with claims of the British coming to Switzerland and causing the spread there. None the numbers you quoted has anything to do with that. [B]What exactly is your main thesis? [/B].
Any claim of Swiss ski resorts being a hub of spread is purely anecdotal with no data to support this claim. When there are no surge in Swiss cases, are we to believe that only tourists are spreading to other tourists? No Swiss go to ski in those resorts? Locals are immune to tourist variants?
It's been determined a long time ago that most transmissions have been through loved ones and close acquaintances in small indoor social gatherings rather than mass transmission in public areas. Being outdoors on skis, likely with some neck gaiter or other face covering just to protect from the cold, produces a low incidence of mass spread. Viral load determines if people become symptomatic or carriers and being outside while zipping down a hill at 80 km / HR does not create the easiest transmission scenario.
BTW Current incidence rates for 8th March, 2021:
Cases /100 K people / Day.
United Kingdom 8.
Germany 10.
Switzerland 12.
US 20.
Sweden 21.
Austria 26.
France 30.
Brazil 32.
Italy 33.
Czechia 112!
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2538635]I think you don't get it (as usual). VitaminD is one of the factors that decrease the risks of developing a severe form, like blood type O, having no comorbidities and so on. But the only way to avoid getting sick (with something like a 90 % chance) is the vaccine. Got it?
I know you like shortcuts especially when they match your conspiracy theories. What will you say next time, that the planet earth is flat? And did you read the article I showed you, especially the part where they explained that despite the fact that black people have a lower vitaminD level in their blood, the available part for the organism is about the same, that's why they don't develop sickness usually associated with a deficiency in vitaminD, like bone fragility?[/QUOTE]You hit the nail on the head. It's not new information that VitaminD plays a significant role in immune function. Specifically, it aids in immune cell signaling / communication. It's overall effect on COVID susceptibility is about on the same level as the protection a condom provides against a hooker with genital crabs. Significant? A bit. Is it it effective? Somewhat. Would you trust it to prevent you from having itchy pubes? Not a smart move.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2538635]I think you don't get it (as usual). VitaminD is one of the factors that decrease the risks of developing a severe form, like blood type O, having no comorbidities and so on. But the only way to avoid getting sick (with something like a 90 % chance) is the vaccine. Got it?
I know you like shortcuts especially when they match your conspiracy theories. What will you say next time, that the planet earth is flat? And did you read the article I showed you, especially the part where they explained that despite the fact that black people have a lower vitaminD level in their blood, the available part for the organism is about the same, that's why they don't develop sickness usually associated with a deficiency in vitaminD, like bone fragility?[/QUOTE]No, you don't get it. My post was in response to Nursenaries talk about how different groups in society were hit on various levels. And my response was the skin tone. And due to the skin tone, the uptake on vitD differs.
You are also wrong regarding vaccines. As they also, more so with the AZ vaccine do not avoid you from getting sick. But as with vitD, the risk of developing a severe form is reduced. And the reduction is less and less the more fun (corona) mutations we get. Like the ones found on the SA and Brazilian versions. Such as the E484 K, K417 N, N501 Y (Brazilian only) mutations.
I already wrote here twice about flat earth. If you didn't read that, that is your problem. But it is made as a joke by a PR company in order to make fun of people who argue against their other projects. Just like the covid pandemic coverup on the capitalistic system. And exactly in order to use the argument just like you did here. In fact, you take this so easily out of the book that I described a month or two ago that I am starting to believe that you are not really a scentient being. But an AI bot. People might have seen you and spoken to you, but in fact you are just a hologram with a simple AI algorithm behind you. And that is why you also keep arguing in loops against yourself.
The last part related to bone fragility is irrelevant in our discussion here. Because then we could also drag in the recent massive jumps in deaths in southern Africa related to the new be. 1.351. And there are indications that the death numbers there are extreme at the moment. In Mozambique, Malawi, and even in South Africa itself the total excess death rates are several (double in SA's case) times that of the reported covid deaths.
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55674139[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2538742]You hit the nail on the head. It's not new information that VitaminD plays a significant role in immune function. Specifically, it aids in immune cell signaling / communication. It's overall effect on COVID susceptibility is about on the same level as the protection a condom provides against a hooker with genital crabs. Significant? A bit. Is it it effective? Somewhat. Would you trust it to prevent you from having itchy pubes? Not a smart move.[/QUOTE]Of course it is not new information. But both you and the big guy did not know about it before you just started googling it.
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And susceptibility or not, that is not the question. If you don't get any worrisome symptoms out of it, you won't be testing yourself. Same goes for the girl or guy spreading genitalia warts.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2538724]Ah yes, people with type O blood type transmit covid less than vaccinated people. Famous double blind study published in the famous "I pulled something out of my ass quarterly" medical journal.[/QUOTE]The real studies said that some blood groups where less likely to get covid. (slightly lower risk so that's not a miracle cure).
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-science-idUSKBN2872LH[/URL]
If you're very good at nonsense and have the foreign language skills of a 12 yo schoolboy, you can conclude that O group is as effective as a vaccine.
I wonder what the absurd theories artists were doing before the internet age? They were part of some cult, believing you can cure cancer by sodomy or something like that?
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2538720]The only reason for every disease, really? Another bold statement.[/QUOTE]LOL, you haven't put him on the ignore list yet? Reading his posts is as productive as watching Reality television.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2538856]I wonder what the absurd theories artists were doing before the internet age? They were part of some cult, believing you can cure cancer by sodomy or something like that?[/QUOTE]Ever heard of religion? Are you religious?
I mean, it has been clear for a long time how unaware you are regarding most things in life. But come on!
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2538856]I wonder what the absurd theories artists were doing before the internet age? They were part of some cult, believing you can cure cancer by sodomy or something like that?[/QUOTE]1. what do you think Gallileo Gallilei did before figuring out that the Earth was not the center of the universe?
I will answer it for you: he made a theory. At the time: an absurd theory some religious nuts would say.
2. What do you think the police do every time there is a murder?
I will answer this one for you too: They come up with theories regarding possible subjects.
Internet is just a democratization of who gets to have a say in the daily agenda. And it removes some of the top down facist power of the state as an institution in this regard.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2538435]I knew you were some kind of PR agent for oceans, are you also involved with some pharmaceutical company?[/QUOTE]In essense, you are nothing but a conspiracy theorist yourself. The difference between you and me are just that all of your conspiracy theories are wrong, while mine are correct.
SO ask yourself, where did you hide before the internet arrived?
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And there we are yet again. Back to where BigB is arguing against himself in an eternal loop, reminiscent of some simple AI network trained through low quality input data.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2538724]Ah yes, people with type O blood type transmit covid less than vaccinated people. Famous double blind study published in the famous "I pulled something out of my ass quarterly" medical journal.[/QUOTE]Vaccinated can still catch and give, they are only protected not to fall too sick, I think quite the same for a healthy blood O, but I will never say and I never wrote not to vaccine, and wish all those who need will get, when already too many deaths. As I always told my too many followers: don't do like me, I m not a good example, I just know and control what I do.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2538880]LOL, you haven't put him on the ignore list yet? Reading his posts is as productive as watching Reality television.[/QUOTE]Can open mind to read other opinions, when we are so different and no real friends in brothels. Are you able to check reliability for all your data? Wish you don't believe too much Russian or Chinese ones, when I m fully sure about UK mutant in Portugal, Italy, France, Tirol. At and cluster in Wengen on mid January after ski for Christmas and new year. I always prefer real facts, like in brothels.
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Logic is a beautiful thing
I'm going to spend one last time answering you and then I'll call it a day.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2536697]The racial disparity has nothing to do with social income imbalance. That is just a total lie made by some emo kids and the woke crowds.
[b]It is solely attributed to vitaminD defiency[/b]. Basically, there is a reason why it is necessary to know whether vitamin D supplementation could be useful in the prevention and treatment of COVID-19 in the AA population.people up north have white skin. And that is we need less sunlight to absorb vitaminD. So when darker skinned people move up north, they will need that much more sunlight. [b]Thus they also have much higher levels of vitaminD deficiency. This has been studied to death.[/b][/QUOTE]Do you remember what you wrote? As I said it's very controversial. I found one paper which was partially backing up your claim:
[URL]https://www.nature.com/articles/s41371-020-00398-z[/URL]
[QUOTE]There are many health disparities in AA like high incidence rates of obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, cardiovascular and renal diseases, among others. The usual explanation for these differences is the low socioeconomic status and educational levels, the social environment, lifestyle habits, and less access to health care services. [b]However, there are pieces of evidence that these non-favorable conditions are not enough, and there are other influential factors that may help to a better approach to the real problem[/b], like some genetic polymorphism and epigenetic-driven changes[/QUOTE]You don't see the slight difference between 'solely' and 'other influential factors that may help'?
Here is a part of the conclusion:
[QUOTE]it is necessary to know whether vitamin D supplementation could be useful in the prevention and treatment of COVID-19 in the AA population.[/QUOTE]And finally this paper:
[URL]https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1871402120301156?via%3Dihub#tbl3[/URL]
[QUOTE]Conclusions
Our findings do not support a potential link between vitamin D concentrations and risk of COVID-19 infection, nor that vitamin D concentration may explain ethnic differences in COVID-19 infection.[/QUOTE]This is really not what I call 'studied to death'.
If you want an history about the pro-VitD studies and the we-are-really-not-sure read this: [URL]https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2775003[/URL].
As for your ramblings about me being an AI and / or googling VitaminD after you decided to enlighten us with your knowledge, I had my first prescription of VitD in October, maybe you want me to scan the paper? I also ate some cod liver a few months ago, sorry I threw the box and the receipt in the thrashbin.
As for Galileo, he was rather good at logical reasoning, not the kind of guy to pick one explanation and ignore all the others.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2538856]The real studies said that some blood groups where less likely to get covid. (slightly lower risk so that's not a miracle cure).
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-science-idUSKBN2872LH[/URL]
If you're very good at nonsense and have the foreign language skills of a 12 yo schoolboy, you can conclude that O group is as effective as a vaccine.
I wonder what the absurd theories artists were doing before the internet age? They were part of some cult, believing you can cure cancer by sodomy or something like that?[/QUOTE]Thanks to you, Paul, and a few other for displaying science literacy. It's been lacking on this board for at least during this pandemic. Blood type and VitaminD have some significance but are hardly the primary determinants of outcome.
The O-blood Type observation has been around for a host of other infectious diseases. Studies however vary greatly in their statistical significance. What that suggests is that while O type is correlated, it may not be the cause of positive outcomes. In statistical analysis, when the variability is so great across multiple studies, it suggests that the variable under investigation has a secondary relationship to another more determinant, underlying factor.
Similarly, VitaminD level's role in immune health is hardly the primary determinant in immune health outcome. What actually is of clinical significance is VitaminD [B]deficiency[/B]. And as you alluded to earlier, black people generally have higher thresholds for VitaminD deficiency. Furthermore, vitaminD levels vary greatly amongst different groups of black people. Equatorial Africans actually have a much higher level of activated VitaminD than even Caucasians. On the other hand, black Americans and Hispanics have the lowest levels in the world. Dark skin does not directly determine VitaminD levels, rather dark skin merely means you need more UV light to activate VitaminD.
[URL]https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn:aaid:scds:US:818ac6fd-3b10-4315-975b-218d56607403[/URL]
These are the little nuances that suggests that perhaps information should be restricted. Arrogant people who are too lazy to actually learn the subject think that they know more than those who actually spent the time to learn and more importantly, understand. When they speak on such subjects, they disseminate faulty conclusions because they cherry pick convenient data and repeat article headlines. That is why you don't see them posting primary sources. I don't think they are able to understand. The end effect, they spread detrimental half truths causing misinformation in society. Before open internet, they were restricted to their poorly educated circles. Now, they are free to spread falsehoods to a larger audience and thus recruiting other crazies at a significantly faster rate.
The battle for truth, or at least effective truths, lies between the due diligence of knowledge seekers versus the lazy self-servitude of the scourges of the world.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2538941]Vaccinated can still catch and give, they are only protected not to fall too sick, I think quite the same for a healthy blood O, but I will never say and I never wrote not to vaccine, and wish all those who need will get, when already too many deaths. As I always told my too many followers: don't do like me, I m not a good example, I just know and control what I do.[/QUOTE]No. Being vaccinated also decreases the amount of time in which you may be contagious.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2538954]Can open mind to read other opinions, when we are so different and no real friends in brothels. Are you able to check reliability for all your data? Wish you don't believe too much Russian or Chinese ones, when I m fully sure about UK mutant in Portugal, Italy, France, Tirol. At and cluster in Wengen on mid January after ski for Christmas and new year. I always prefer real facts, like in brothels.[/QUOTE]Do what you want. Reading Tabloids and conspiracy, poorly educated writings hurt my brain.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2538954]I always prefer real facts, like in brothels.[/QUOTE]Most erroneous statement of the year.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2538964]I'm going to spend one last time answering you and then I'll call it a day.
Do you remember what you wrote? As I said it's very controversial. I found one paper which was partially backing up your claim:
[URL]https://www.nature.com/articles/s41371-020-00398-z[/URL]
You don't see the slight difference between 'solely' and 'other influential factors that may help'?
Here is a part of the conclusion:
And finally this paper:
[URL]https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1871402120301156?via%3Dihub#tbl3[/URL]
This is really not what I call 'studied to death'..[/QUOTE]Just stop quoting him. I know him personally. Dude is a "media communications" guy speaking about matters of science. His kind is incapable of empirical, scientific, multifactorial thinking. Seriously, just let him write and the internet will ensure that his writings will be a caricature against objective and logical thought.
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This is very funny but I just checked 'LeMonde' which is one of the three major newspapers in France and probably the most independent and the first headline was (translated) : 'the renewal of cult phenomenons in the shadow of the pandemic'.
[URL]https://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2021/03/10/le-renouveau-des-phenomenes-sectaires-a-l-ombre-de-la-pandemie_6072543_3224.html[/URL]
On the cartoon the lobotomized guy reads on the internet that 'covid is a conspiracy to implant 5 g chips through vaccination, we offer you a natural diet to counter 5 g, subscribe'.
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Outcry to the world, from Israel
This is the 'transparent' and 'virus-free' world that paid trolls like Mursenary-BigBuddy69 (and all his other usernames) are striving for:
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMsn0bj_P6o[/URL]
I think most Israelis know a thing or two about what it's like to live in a fascist police state and to have a tattoo on your arm to identify you. The tattoo is simply replaced with a digital one on your smartphone. P.S. No surprise that a fascist zionist like 'Nutanyuhu' (related to Mursanary perhaps? LOL) is coming up with this, and I hope the Israeli people will resist and protest!
Here's another 'succes' story from the vaccinating lobby;.
A 91 year old German woman is vaccinated: [URL]https://www.suedkurier.de/region/bodenseekreis/bodenseekreis/corona-impfungen-im-bodenseekreis-die-91-jaehrige-waltraut-roemer-ist-eine-der-ersten-die-sich-piksen-laesst;art410936[/URL], 10702270.
And then 2 weeks later she is dead: [URL]https://www.suedkurier.de/region/bodenseekreis/bodenseekreis/ich-konnte-mich-nicht-verabschieden-zwei-angehoerige-erzaehlen-wie-sie-die-corona-infektionen-ihrer-eltern-erlebt-haben;art410936[/URL], 10720741.
She clearly 'survived' the flu wave 'Scamdemic' so far, and yet she dies a few weeks after she is 'vaccinated. ' And the biggest irony? Her death is registered as "covid19" and not as "murdered-by-the-vaccine-lobby-and-the-fascist-politicians."
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2539029]Do what you want. Reading Tabloids and conspiracy, poorly educated writings hurt my brain.[/QUOTE]But you still read everything like your French forum friend reading all my writings since I started on another forum on end of 2012 , really obsessed, writing like being Rudy Gobert, when more as large as tall, when I keep on my way to make my pleasure, in brothels like in my mountains.
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For some random reason I got curious about the population of Israel. Less than 5% of the population is over 75 years of age. The last concentration camp in Germany was liberated in 1945, making the youngest person to have lived under Hitler's rule around 76. I guess most Israeli's wouldn't actually "know" what it was like to live under a fascist regime.
[URL]https://www.populationpyramid.net/israel/2019/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2539224]But you still read everything like your French forum friend reading all my writings[/QUOTE]I know, add it to the list of my character flaws. But full disclosure, I start skipping sentences and even paragraphs every there are ramblings of "super fit" bicycle man.
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BigB: most of your links are handpicked selective nonsense science. Anyone can write a study, and by political reasons get it published. Think for yourself for just one minute, and you will realize how obvious it is. Either way, it is not my problem, I am as white as we get.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2539195]This is the 'transparent' and 'virus-free' world that paid trolls like Mursenary-BigBuddy69 (and all his other usernames) are striving for:
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMsn0bj_P6o[/URL][/QUOTE]Here is an answer to your youTube video made by a self proclaimed health advisor:
[URL]http://www.rationalistjudaism.com/2021/01/guest-post-why-you-should-take-vaccine.html[/URL]
As for Netanhayu, he's a corrupt "all guns blazing" politician but he has been part of Israel's political scene for decades and he has been re-elected again and again, you really think Israelis would vote for him if he was a Nazi wannabe given the history of the country? Actually they have no problem voting for him when he wants to send settlers in occupied territories. Maybe this passport will be the only thing he has done right. But don't worry I have a solution for you: you don't want the vaccine no problem? Just make a fucking test every two or three days so you can have your green passport.
And for the German elder woman, you and your bunch of paranoid friends were constantly crying out some months ago that most of the covid deaths were probably not covid deaths because the victims were old and sick and they probably died because of their condition. So maybe this woman is dead because of her age and her condition no? And even though she died because of the vaccine (and it could be the case), there is a benefit-cost ratio associated to every medicine so unfortunately there will be deaths associated to the vaccine. But there is a 99,9 % chance that more people will live.
With men like you, a dog bite could still be deadly and Pasteur would have been imprisoned: [URL]https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/rabies-vaccine-used-human[/URL].
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2539034]Just stop quoting him. I know him personally. Dude is a "media communications" guy speaking about matters of science.[/QUOTE]You really have strange acquaintances. You did a dick contest under the shower with him too? Have you some kind of fetish of hanging around with guys suffering of severe personality disorder?
I got it! You do it to look greater in the eyes of the girls! Like "hey babe, he's my weirdo friend but don't worry I'm absolutely not like him."
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2538969] Arrogant people who are too lazy to actually learn the subject think that they know more than those who actually spent the time to learn and more importantly, understand. When they speak on such subjects, they disseminate faulty conclusions because they cherry pick convenient data and repeat article headlines. That is why you don't see them posting primary sources. I don't think they are able to understand. The end effect, they spread detrimental half truths causing misinformation in society. Before open internet, they were restricted to their poorly educated circles. Now, they are free to spread falsehoods to a larger audience and thus recruiting other crazies at a significantly faster rate.
The battle for truth, or at least effective truths, lies between the due diligence of knowledge seekers versus the lazy self-servitude of the scourges of the world.[/QUOTE]This well articulates the issues at hand. It's also worth noting that there's often a lot of $ to be made spreading fake science, conspiracy theories and the like. Just look at Alex Jones, a guy with no higher education who references any far out source indiscriminately along with his own imaginations. He probably doesn't even know what a primary source is. But he's seen a lot of personal financial success selling hocus pocus vitamin supplements, gold and silver investments and survival gear. The misinformation draws a crowd for the sales pitch.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2539029]Do what you want. Reading Tabloids and conspiracy, poorly educated writings hurt my brain.[/QUOTE]The thing is, I don't have to read tabloids and conspiracy sites. I have no problem with sickos writing blogs about their delusions of grandeur since I won't read them and they won't be quoted on another websites that I read. I also have no problems about all the nutcases on the social networks because I always stayed clear of them, I have no interest in people staging their life to make them feel better about themselves. But when a public internet board becomes the home of a guy suffering from severe NPD among other things and the guy floods every threads of the board with nearly 15,000 posts of total nonsense written in botched English (just repeating what he did before in another place), the other writers tend to react, and the board kind of loses his point because the useful information disappears or is diluted in all those ramblongs.
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After having had my Covid vaccine nearly three weeks ago I'm beginning to feel more confident about reaching some sort of normality even if it won't be the same as before for a long time.
This thread doesn't always report good or improving news so those that need a boost I thought I would share the latest UK news.
Death rates have plummeted (35% in the last week) and the infection rate is dropping drastically week on week to around 5,000 a day. Nearly 23 million citizens have had the first jab.
Schools reopened on Monday, from March 29th people will not be restricted to their local area & bars / restaurants (only outside) should open in April. If all goes well nearly everything opens up in May with possibly flights resuming to "safe" countries followed by a complete reopening in June.
Yes things could get delayed, there could be obstacles ahead but how refreshing it is to have a positive timetable even if we have an idiot as Prime Minister who can't be trusted.
Does anyone have an update as to what is happening in Germany as its nearly a year since I was last in Sharks?
If the UK is starting to make a positive impact into this ghastly virus I assume things are starting to move in Germany too?
I miss Sharks so much LOL!
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2539250]I know, add it to the list of my character flaws. But full disclosure, I start skipping sentences and even paragraphs every there are ramblings of "super fit" bicycle man.[/QUOTE]If you know something about bicycle or even endurance sports, they're the most funny.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2539312]You really have strange acquaintances. You did a dick contest under the shower with him too? Have you some kind of fetish of hanging around with guys suffering of severe personality disorder?
I got it! You do it to look greater in the eyes of the girls! Like "hey babe, he's my weirdo friend but don't worry I'm absolutely not like him."[/QUOTE]LOL! You are talking about the nurse with the micro penis here. And you make the same kind of joke as I did awhile back. Again with the circular arguments. Zero originality. Geez!
OK, that settles it, you really are just another Nursenary handle after all. I had a hunsh for awhile.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2539321]This well articulates the issues at hand. It's also worth noting that there's often a lot of $ to be made spreading fake science, conspiracy theories and the like. Just look at Alex Jones, a guy with no higher education who references any far out source indiscriminately along with his own imaginations. He probably doesn't even know what a primary source is. But he's seen a lot of personal financial success selling hocus pocus vitamin supplements, gold and silver investments and survival gear. The misinformation draws a crowd for the sales pitch.[/QUOTE]Alex Jones is a pretty smart guy that way. But he is unfortunately for him too much of a boomer. He is not very modern in his way of thinking. And that hurts him. The boomer generation he is brought up in. American boomer generation and what comes with that mainly for bad reasons.
The nurse is not very well articulate at all (he might in fact be your other handle given the history of handles who quoted each other saying they were right). He is just an ad nauseum copy paster of things we read day in and day out in a million newspapers. And then he thinks he is wise by being a sheep. Beććććh. So boring and dull.
Why do you think there are wars, covid and famine anyway?
Answer: Because the gods are bored of sheeps.
P.S: Neither you nor the nurse nor the BigB are able to find the studies saying darker skinned people need more sun in order to attain vitD from the sun. That in itself says a whole lot regarding your 'scientific' approach. Nonsense is what I call it. And paid science is part of communication strategies. In all fields of studies. Especially when it comes to handpicking science taught in school. And especially in USA.
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Enjoy your vaccines:
Utah mom Kassidi Kurill dies four days after second dose of Moderna vaccine.
[URL]https://nypost.com/2021/03/11/utah-mom-kassidi-kurill-dies-days-after-second-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine/[/URL]
Too bad really, as we'd all probably have boned her. How many more MILFs needs to die due to wannabe nurses and would-be unscientific sheeples?
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2539312]You really have strange acquaintances. You did a dick contest under the shower with him too? Have you some kind of fetish of hanging around with guys suffering of severe personality disorder?
I got it! You do it to look greater in the eyes of the girls! Like "hey babe, he's my weirdo friend but don't worry I'm absolutely not like him."[/QUOTE]Ah, there's something to that. Ever notice how some girls keep fat friends around? I think it's something like that.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2539324]The thing is, I don't have to read tabloids and conspiracy sites. I have no problem with sickos writing blogs about their delusions of grandeur since I won't read them and they won't be quoted on another websites that I read. I also have no problems about all the nutcases on the social networks because I always stayed clear of them, I have no interest in people staging their life to make them feel better about themselves. But when a public internet board becomes the home of a guy suffering from severe NPD among other things and the guy floods every threads of the board with nearly 15,000 posts of total nonsense written in botched English (just repeating what he did before in another place), the other writers tend to react, and the board kind of loses his point because the useful information disappears or is diluted in all those ramblongs.[/QUOTE]Well, I do offer some forgiveness. You and McA have both alluded to Narcissistic Personality Disorder and observations here do check many boxes. There are displays of "Narcissistic defenses" for sure, but making a diagnosis would require more direct questioning with other diagnostic assessment tools. The reason I offer some forgiveness is that whatever condition, it is something that the person has been living with for decades. As such, I don't think he is even aware anymore. At a certain point, when someone's survival tool has been to reconstruct reality to something more palatable, you just pity them because the constructed reality is their defense against a world that has hurt them.
The saving grace however, is that he does not seem to be one of the ones who push moronic ideas on others. Mostly, it's just the ramblings of a senile Grandpa. He is often wrong in matters of science, but it's usually errors of ignorance and not delusion or arrogance. Others however seem to knowingly perpetuate falsehoods and half-truths. I think some do it to feed their egos while others do it to win a game. None of them seem to have any real stake in the game which is why I judge them even more harsh. While one's actions mostly affects only himself while perhaps merely annoying others, the other parties are active threats to truth and reason.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2539321]This well articulates the issues at hand. It's also worth noting that there's often a lot of $ to be made spreading fake science, conspiracy theories and the like. Just look at Alex Jones, a guy with no higher education who references any far out source indiscriminately along with his own imaginations. He probably doesn't even know what a primary source is. But he's seen a lot of personal financial success selling hocus pocus vitamin supplements, gold and silver investments and survival gear. The misinformation draws a crowd for the sales pitch.[/QUOTE]I see those guys in the same light the emo and goth kids. It's a subculture in the sense that people who don't do well with the norms set by society strive to find other ways of coping. They find comfort in the smaller collective of other lesser players of the game. Hence the development of a fringe group. I'm not really saying that subcultures are inherently detrimental, not at all; I'm just merely proposing one theory as how such personalities have come to be. The "freaks and geeks" crowd have actually produced numerous productive contributors to society such as Musk, Zuckerberg, various innovators; however, the same phenomenon has produced the Timothy McVeighs, Adam Lanza's, and James Holmes.
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[QUOTE=Canary;2539345]Does anyone have an update as to what is happening in Germany as its nearly a year since I was last in Sharks?
If the UK is starting to make a positive impact into this ghastly virus I assume things are starting to move in Germany too?
I miss Sharks so much LOL![/QUOTE]I have no first hand info on Germany but tracking the regional data and the surrounding areas, Germany seems to be at a watershed point. They border Czechia which is seeing the worst surge in Europe. The regional border closure a few weeks ago seems to be keeping the cases contained. But with rising cases in their eastern neighbors (Austria and Poland) probably keeps the politicians up at night hoping to be able to keep their prediction of easing restrictions by April.
I think the few optimistic hopes for May club openings should be put aside.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2539466]I see those guys in the same light the emo and goth kids. It's a subculture in the sense that people who don't do well with the norms set by society strive to find other ways of coping. They find comfort in the smaller collective of other lesser players of the game. Hence the development of a fringe group. I'm not really saying that subcultures are inherently detrimental, not at all; I'm just merely proposing one theory as how such personalities have come to be. The "freaks and geeks" crowd have actually produced numerous productive contributors to society such as Musk, Zuckerberg, various innovators; however, the same phenomenon has produced the Timothy McVeighs, Adam Lanza's, and James Holmes.[/QUOTE]That's an excellent point in that these sub-cultures often offer a sense of community to outcasts and the anti-social. It also may explain why such individuals are so common in monger forums, as many who seek out P4P have had little success with traditional relationships.
Such communities are also hot beds of "group think," ironic indeed while they call those who agree with mainstream science "sheeple."
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2539433]Enjoy your vaccines:
Utah mom Kassidi Kurill dies four days after second dose of Moderna vaccine.
[URL]https://nypost.com/2021/03/11/utah-mom-kassidi-kurill-dies-days-after-second-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine/[/URL]
Too bad really, as we'd all probably have boned her. How many more MILFs needs to die due to wannabe nurses and would-be unscientific sheeples?[/QUOTE]Well, first of all, you aren't going to bone anyone bro without paying for it. Wink.
Second, you're logical fallacy is non-sequitur.
[URL]https://www.dictionary.com/browse/non-sequitur[/URL]
Because a tiny percentage have an adverse reaction to a vaccine it doesn't follow that the entire world should give up on it. And that's precisely why your views / faulty logic is consigned to the fringes where it belongs, among the followers / sheeple that lack even the most basic critical thinking skills.
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Me: 100% correct in all my posts here on ISG.
I don't really know why I am wasting my time discussing with sheeples who 1. Spends the better part of a year trying to refuse my claim on how 90% of the cells in our body is alien and not a part of us. Mainly as the gut biome and bacteria and fungi as a result of what we eat, drink and the medium we live in (ph value, humidity, toxins, temperature etc). Forcing me to search up old studies I read ages ago. (I am just lazy at organizing all the stuff I read).
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7162693/[/URL]
"The cells of the human body, 90% of which are alien to it".
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4056765/[/URL]
His best argument albeit refusing to admit he was wrong (as always) was that not all cells are equally large. LOL, way to go off topic.
And then moves on to also completely refuse the fact that all the microbes within us still communicates to our brain.
[URL]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23010679/[/URL]
In other words, all we are is a sum of all the communication happening to and from our brain, and 90% of it is not a part of us. Communication is the only field of study anyone needs to understand. Yet most people are too dumb to know this fact. AI engineers take cognitive thinking communication classes for this simple reason, and I've had professors who are at the forefront of AI globally.
Yet sheep nurses and his AA squad, mainly consisting of his other selves who just copy paste other people's idea ad nauseum don't understand this. As the nurse just pointed out: there is no science in the field of communication.
Look, the nurse and his AA class reminds me of this American boomer:
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2H8wx1aBiQ[/URL]
He also does not understand how AI works. While the sheeps like him, the nurse, the big guy and the AA group still think communication science started with the onset of the internet. But it did not. Here is a few keywords for you: Milgram, Adorno, Lobbyism, Machiavelli, Religion. It is all communication science. AI is the culmination of all of this. In essence a communication field of study. And that is why all the top AI engineers are required to take communication subjects at master level.
And there are tons of lies around us. Everything we read and hear is part of some agenda.
For example, a real doctor or nurse is an expert in herbs and plant based medicine. A would be nursenary, or some big guy is just a sheep being told that western pharma medicine is made by scientists. LOL! 100% of it is natural remedies, mainly spliced in with some random toxin in order to get a copyright on the product being mass produced. The nurse didn't even know about tree bark, yet it is all around us. Yet he believes painkillers are made by some big pharma company. LOL!
As I have said here before, sheeps who are unable to think for themselves have no more worth than an AI algorithm. And that is why we are now trying to kill off all the idiot sheeps in the world with vaccines and their side effects. It not directly, then indirectly.
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Actually this whole pandemic is being used as a test project in order to figure out who the AI holograms are, and who are self thinking sentient beings inside this AI we live in. It cannot get more scientific than this.
My only concern is if they force beautiful FKK girls to take the vaccines.
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When nearly 70% French medical, also medical in Germany, don't run for, now Norway, Denmark and Island stop with AZ, when less than planned Pfizer and UK mutant spreading. I'm very sad for Italy, no ski on this Winter, I will have to wait for Summer ski, to make oxygen. Wish for a great sporty Summer.
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And to liven up the forum a bit more: The RNA vaccines in particular (Pfizer, Moderna) has a very high chance of causing infertility. I have read a million and one articles stating that this claim is wrong. But research the original source yourself and if you understand how communication works, you will realize that the chances of that being the case is extremely high.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2539578]And to liven up the forum a bit more: The RNA vaccines in particular (Pfizer, Moderna) has a very high chance of causing infertility. I have read a million and one articles stating that this claim is wrong. But research the original source yourself and if you understand how communication works, you will realize that the chances of that being the case is extremely high.[/QUOTE]Really? Cause infertility on men or women?
But this vaccines are unknown for how long they are valid, so it will be annoying to take it every year! I may choose not to take it as eventually corona will be another flu!
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2539565]Well, first of all, you aren't going to bone anyone bro without paying for it. Wink.
Second, you're logical fallacy is non-sequitur.
[URL]https://www.dictionary.com/browse/non-sequitur[/URL]
Because a tiny percentage have an adverse reaction to a vaccine it doesn't follow that the entire world should give up on it. And that's precisely why your views / faulty logic is consigned to the fringes where it belongs, among the followers / sheeple that lack even the most basic critical thinking skills.[/QUOTE]Don't waste your time man. It'll be a round about road trip to nowhere. Every time one of you guys quote that dude, I get a little reminder of the touch of crazy that you find in a public school special needs class. Forgive his ramblings about vaccines though, it's a sore subject for those autistic kids.
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I do wonder. If Nursenary had been told to give people a toxic dose of 'vaccine with a 0.0001% kill chance. And he was being told that this would make him 80% totally immune covid. Would he have argued for injecting the entire population of Europe and North America? So out of 1 billion people, 1000 people would die from the vaccine? Would that make it fine? He would be a serial killer with 1000 lives on his consciousness.
How about if the vaccine had a 0. 001% death rate? Or a 0.01%, a 0.1%, a 1% or a 10% chance of death?
According to my assessment of our nurse here, and the big guy, both of them would be among the 65% of the population who would have killed 10% of the population if that was being asked by their bosses at work.
Welcome to communication science!
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Given the Milgram Experiments results as the base of our new study.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2539578]And to liven up the forum a bit more: The RNA vaccines in particular (Pfizer, Moderna) has a very high chance of causing infertility. I have read a million and one articles stating that this claim is wrong. But research the original source yourself and if you understand how communication works, you will realize that the chances of that being the case is extremely high.[/QUOTE]Today there is a kind of mainstream thinking mostly coming from journalists and politicians (coming from the same schools) the only solution to solve the pandemic is the vaccine, the vaccines are efficient and have no side effects. My friend got vaccined, 2 days back with the AZ, now he is very sick. My sister got the Pfister 1 month back and now she has the covid.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2539578]And to liven up the forum a bit more: The RNA vaccines in particular (Pfizer, Moderna) has a very high chance of causing infertility. I have read a million and one articles stating that this claim is wrong. But research the original source yourself and if you understand how communication works, you will realize that the chances of that being the case is extremely high.[/QUOTE]Well, good news for the conspiracy theorists then is that the Israeli population has been vaccinated.
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If we are going to continue training and evolving AI GAN networks in the coming few decades, it might be a make or break it for the human race as a whole to flip the Milgram Experiment results on its head. The majority of the human race cannot continue to be among the serial killer crowds as long as a superior entity only tells them to be such. The majority of the human race needs to be free thinkers. And this is a good reason why some infertility toxin in the vaccine taken on the majority by the non free thinking sheep's might actually not be a bad idea. Unless we all want Skynet to take over in 30 or 40 years time that is.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2539685]Well, good news for the conspiracy theorists then is that the Israeli population has been vaccinated.[/QUOTE]1. At least that is what you / we are being told. Did you examine all the vials?
2. Side effects may appear 10 years later.
3. All vaccines are different.
4. Each vaccine company can adjust certain toxins on different batches of production. Adding to cocktail effects.
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Enjoy your vaccines! / sarc
In the meantime, 7 European nations suspend the Astra Zeneca 'vaccine:
[URL]https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210311-covid-19-denmark-pauses-use-of-astrazeneca-vaccine-over-blood-clot-fears[/URL]
[URL]https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/11/europe/astrazeneca-vaccine-denmark-suspension-intl/index.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-countries-halt-oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine-rollout-after-blood-clots/[/URL]
Keep on believing the lies from the Pharma Trolls here on ISG!
Remember how the 'usual suspects' here told you months ago that Astra Zeneca was 'safe' and how it was all one big tinfoil hat 'conspiracy' when someone pointed out the obvious problems surrounding this? Here are a few.
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2526451]You are spreading rumors from unnamed sources related to the over 65 group, and the German Health Ministry disavows it all.
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/26/astrazeneca-supplies-to-eu-vaccine-efficacy-for-the-elderly-in-focus.html[/URL]
Yet another tin foil hat conspiracy theory peddler that thinks adding exclamation marks will make their lies more believable. For whatever reason, monger forums attract these like flies to honey.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Canary;2495364]As I've stated before the Oxford & Astra Zeneca vaccine is looking on target to produce results, further good news today.
Regards the Brazilian man who sadly died, he was on a placebo so it has no connection with the vaccine.
This trial is looking like the worlds best hope & unlike dodgy Chinese & Russian vaccines, this is going through all the safety checks.
The big question is how quickly will the vaccine be made available to the public so that we can once again return to FKK World with a reasonable level of safety?
[URL]https://apple.news/APazsU-bfTUG7u6JNv6aGVA[/URL][/QUOTE][QUOTE=RockyV;2503711]From what I can see the Biontech / Pfizer vaccine will be manufactured in Belgium and be distributed in EU first and then UK. For the Moderna vaccine, the CEO has already said they will distribute to US first and then to EU. AstraZeneca vaccine is expected to have similar efficacy as the Moderna vaccine (95%) and it will be manufactured in UK and Italy. I believe the first people to get the vaccine will be healthcare workers, then elderly people and then the rest of the population. Government are buying more vaccine doses than they need, so it's unlikely there will be shortages. The storage temperature issue is only theoretical as there are special distribution processes already in place. The Ebola vaccine was distributed in some regions in Africa very efficiently, even if it had to be stored at -20 C. If everything goes well, we will be back hand-in-hand with our girls in FKK by next Spring.[/QUOTE]
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AstraZeneca vaccine banned by 7 EU nations.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2539578]And to liven up the forum a bit more: The RNA vaccines in particular (Pfizer, Moderna) has a very high chance of causing infertility. I have read a million and one articles stating that this claim is wrong. But research the original source yourself and if you understand how communication works, you will realize that the chances of that being the case is extremely high.[/QUOTE]Exactly Pistons, but what do people expect from a "vaccine" that was allowed to skip long term testing, and was giving Emergency Use Authorization?
Yesterday 7 European nations suspend the Astra Zeneca 'vaccine:
[URL]https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210311-covid-19-denmark-pauses-use-of-astrazeneca-vaccine-over-blood-clot-fears[/URL]
[URL]https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/11/europe/astrazeneca-vaccine-denmark-suspension-intl/index.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-countries-halt-oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine-rollout-after-blood-clots/[/URL]
Probably nothing right? / sarc.
Stop believing the lies from the Pharma Trolls posing as 'medical experts' here on ISG!
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2539685]Well, good news for the conspiracy theorists then is that the Israeli population has been vaccinated.[/QUOTE]We have to wait to see and study the results of the mass vaccination in Israel. We can have a look about China, Japan, Korea where there is no mass vaccination but the things are under control, their economies are booming, the pandemic is just accelerating the decline of the so called western world, life expectation in the US went down 2 years. China is the only super power today but they are too clever and still let the US believe they are the number one. I know well both countries you just need to go by night in some places in NY, Miami, Chicago to understand that the US government is too weak even to control their own cities. Nothing like this is possible in China.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2539578]And to liven up the forum a bit more: The RNA vaccines in particular (Pfizer, Moderna) has a very high chance of causing infertility. I have read a million and one articles stating that this claim is wrong. But research the original source yourself and if you understand how communication works, you will realize that the chances of that being the case is extremely high.[/QUOTE]There is absolutely zero evidence of this, and this is basically stupid conspiracy theory bullshit.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2539521]True. But I think the smarter girls in the clubs actually know this. Whether the stories are true or not, they are aware as they allude to whales that pay for their company outside of the clubs or to extravagant locales. But many of the ones who have those types of customers still worked the clubs regularly as the income there is (was) more consistent. It even serves as a hunting ground for them to snag more whales. They could be sitting at home or in a hotel waiting for the big fish to call, but why not spend that down time making a few hundred bucks a day in the clubs.[/QUOTE]I fly, I land, I go too FKK, I wait for the stunner for usually hours, I find the stunner, I fuck the shit out of beautiful stunners in FKK, I eat, I wait for stunner for usually hours, I fuck the shit out of beautiful stunners in FKK, I sleep, I eat, I go to FKK, I wait for the stunner in FKK for usually few hours, I find the stunner, I fuck the shit out of beautiful stunners in FKK, repeat LOL!
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2539571]Actually this whole pandemic is being used as a test project in order to figure out who the AI holograms are, and who are self thinking sentient beings inside this AI we live in. It cannot get more scientific than this.
My only concern is if they force beautiful FKK girls to take the vaccines.[/QUOTE]For me, too many deaths in France and everywhere, even in Germany with more than 72000, millions of people losing job, and no ski for second Winter. Just facts.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2539578]And to liven up the forum a bit more: The RNA vaccines in particular (Pfizer, Moderna) has a very high chance of causing infertility. I have read a million and one articles stating that this claim is wrong. But research the original source yourself and if you understand how communication works, you will realize that the chances of that being the case is extremely high.[/QUOTE]How could we know? When vaccine only started on end of last year. Less babies in France under covid, but nothing about vaccine.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2539725]Stop believing the lies from the Pharma Trolls posing as 'medical experts' here on ISG![/QUOTE]Like I posted here yesterday. These trolls here on ISG do not even know where the medicines comes from. They believe medicines are made by the pharma industry. While the real medicine is always found in nature. All the pharma companies do it to take ingredients from nature, add a toxin, repackage it, and sell it for profit.
And that is why the Pharmacuticles industry is the worlds biggest sector in lobbying. Bigger than oil and gas. Even at the peak of oil and gas. And the reason is that a lot of that budget goes into changing student curriculums. While other sectors focus on other types of communication.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2539743]For me, too many deaths in France and everywhere, even in Germany with more than 72000, millions of people losing job, and no ski for second Winter. Just facts.[/QUOTE]I agree. When just aprox 10 000 Pfizer vaccines had been set in Norway, 23 people had already died from the vaccine itself. When the media story was released, crisis management was adopted. A PR company I know got the job, and the story was changed slightly. Globally all countries now has received a message to cover up these deaths.
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2539321]Just look at Alex Jones, a guy with no higher education who references any far out source indiscriminately along with his own imaginations. He probably doesn't even know what a primary source is. But he's seen a lot of personal financial success selling hocus pocus vitamin supplements, gold and silver investments and survival gear. The misinformation draws a crowd for the sales pitch.[/QUOTE]In the age of social media, the truth will not always prevail. All you have to do is be loud, repeat yourself, and act confident as you repeat those "truths". It's about self-promotion. ISG might even be a microcosm of that: if you serial post you can change the narrative!
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2539466] The "freaks and geeks" crowd have actually produced numerous productive contributors to society such as Musk, Zuckerberg, various innovators; however, the same phenomenon has produced the Timothy McVeighs, Adam Lanza's, and James Holmes.[/QUOTE]Musk and Zuckerberg ultimately found a crowd that would accept them. I imagine they laughed, had fun and formed social bonds with other freaks and geeks. The latter group would be characterized as loners. Loners are more susceptible to being radicalized or finding solace in online hate groups, constantly degrading people they deem to be "inferior". In short there is a difference between having nerdy friends, and no friends at all.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2538969]Arrogant people who are too lazy to actually learn the subject think that they know more than those who actually spent the time to learn and more importantly, understand.[/QUOTE]People thinking that they know better than the experts is the new norm. Trump's economic, military, or scientific advisors all knew more than him, but in his own mind he knew better, because he had "intuition". But I could see this trend continuing because the educational system (in the West since since the 1980's) instills a false sense of confidence in child's own capabilities. Instead of telling a child they got the answer wrong, and they need to work harder, they are told that their answer has merit too:
[QUOTE]Psychological research has shown that uncritically lavishing praise on children who already have low self-esteem only serves to inhibit their performance. For example, teacher telling a low self-esteem child in art class that his/her low-quality drawing is wonderful might be expected to encourage great effort from the child in future to improve drawing technique. But, in practice, the lavish praise actually discourages the child from doing anything different in future lest the effort fails and the quality of the drawing actually disimproves. On the other hand, praising high self-esteem children for good performance does spur them on to greater efforts.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/self-esteem-is-great-so-long-as-it-is-rooted-in-reality-1.3692374
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2539722]In the meantime, 7 European nations suspend the Astra Zeneca 'vaccine:
[URL]https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210311-covid-19-denmark-pauses-use-of-astrazeneca-vaccine-over-blood-clot-fears[/URL]
[URL]https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/11/europe/astrazeneca-vaccine-denmark-suspension-intl/index.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-countries-halt-oxford-astrazeneca-vaccine-rollout-after-blood-clots/[/URL]
Keep on believing the lies from the Pharma Trolls here on ISG!
Remember how the 'usual suspects' here told you months ago that Astra Zeneca was 'safe' and how it was all one big tinfoil hat 'conspiracy' when someone pointed out the obvious problems surrounding this? Here are a few.[/QUOTE]In a more recent post you stated that AZ vaccine was actually banned in those countries. If you don't understand the difference between suspension (pending an investigation) and ban, I'm so sorry for you as your life must suck very badly! I hope you and Pistons stick to your beliefs and reject any vaccine and ANY medicine you will need / require in the future, so that Mother Nature can do the rest.
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[QUOTE=TomTigers;2539733]There is absolutely zero evidence of this, and this is basically stupid conspiracy theory bullshit.[/QUOTE]Another username from Mursenary? LOL!
"Zero evidence?" Have a look at the long term tests of all those mRNA 'vaccines' and you might be surprised.
Remember how there also was 'zero evidence' when people were warning that there were serious issues with the AstraZeneca vaccine? Well, this 'vaccine' was suspended by 7 EU countries and now also by Thailand.
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56369550[/URL]
All "conspiracy theory bullshit," right?
P.S. 62% of Israelis believe a 4th lockdown is highly likely, *despite* nearly 90% of it's population being vaccinated: [URL]https://www.israelhayom.com/2021/03/09/poll-62-of-israelis-believe-4th-lockdown-highly-likely/[/URL].
P. P.S. Italy will lock down over Easter: [URL]https://news.sky.com/story/italy-set-to-impose-national-lockdown-over-easter-weekend-12243539[/URL].
Of course, it will 'only' be for a few days over Easter, just like the previous "15 days to flatten the curve" lies. / sarc.
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Well, Zuckerberg and Musk are clearly free thinking conscious individuals. If anyone's definition of a freak, is to just not be a sheep, then there is probably something wrong with your framing. Musk for example just has a big interest in philosophy. Zuckerberg is more of a geek.
Loner is a weired term in this corona pandemic. But I will be dead honest with you here, the 4 sexiest girl at my gym would all be categorized as loners. IT programmer girls working from home, and one dentist student who mainly just reads all day. One is a nurse who only works at night or goes to the gym. Additionally I live with another girl falling into that category, and she only reads fantasy, works in a book store and goes to the gym and got the sickest bum muscles. Slightly too strong for me actually.
When all that is said, the covid pandemic has increased the rate in which the information age is transforming society. Information being democratized. In this transition there is bound to be chaos. But all you need to to is basically listen to what I write on ISG.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2539762]I agree. When just aprox 10 000 Pfizer vaccines had been set in Norway, 23 people had already died from the vaccine itself. When the media story was released, crisis management was adopted. A PR company I know got the job, and the story was changed slightly. Globally all countries now has received a message to cover up these deaths.[/QUOTE]Not from AZ? Which is forbidden at the moment in 5 countries and Norway, but not in France where many medical don't want to get. When you think you are strong enough, can wait to make own little soldiers vaccine. Second bad winter, wish I will have good Summer, like previous and even better with Summer ski.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2539728]We have to wait to see and study the results of the mass vaccination in Israel. We can have a look about China, Japan, Korea where there is no mass vaccination but the things are under control, their economies are booming, the pandemic is just accelerating the decline of the so called western world, life expectation in the US went down 2 years. China is the only super power today but they are too clever and still let the US believe they are the number one. I know well both countries you just need to go by night in some places in NY, Miami, Chicago to understand that the US government is too weak even to control their own cities. Nothing like this is possible in China.[/QUOTE]How can you know the truth in China? Where when you are not a sheep, you go to jail, like driving in Switzerland. Also what about so sexist country like Japan? Without crazy Trump, I would prefer to live in US, in Alaska, or San Francisco, or NY, Boston or Salt Lake, but I prefer to live in beautiful France, land of freedom and number 1 for tourism, must be a reason. Do Chinese know the word freedom?
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2539850]How can you know the truth in China? Where when you are not a sheep, you go to jail, like driving in Switzerland. Also what about so sexist country like Japan? Without crazy Trump, I would prefer to live in US, in Alaska, or San Francisco, or NY, Boston or Salt Lake, but I prefer to live in beautiful France, land of freedom and number 1 for tourism, must be a reason. Do Chinese know the word freedom?[/QUOTE]France, land of freedom? Victims of French police brutality and racism might disagree.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2539850]I prefer to live in beautiful France, land of freedom and number 1 for tourism, must be a reason.[/QUOTE]There seems to be an exodus of French citizens choosing to live abroad.
[QUOTE][b]The French consulate in London has estimated that up to 400,000 French nationals live in the capital, a number equal to the population of France's sixth largest city[/b].
The Foreign Ministry recorded 1.6 million expats at the end of last year. But that figure only includes people who had registered at French consulates abroad. So the real figure is twice as high, says Hlne Charveriat, the delegate-general of the Union of French Citizens Abroad.
She told The Independent that while the figure of 2.5 million expatriates is not enormous, what is more troubling is the increase of about 2 percent each year.
Young people feel stuck, and they want interesting jobs. Businessmen say the labour code is complex and they are taxed even before they start working. Pensioners can also pay less tax abroad, she says.
Frances unemployment rate is hovering around 10 percent. As for high-earners, almost 600 people subject to a wealth tax on assets of more than 800,000 (630,000) left France in 2012, 20 percent more than the previous year.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-say-au-revoir-france-over-two-million-french-people-now-live-abroad-and-most-are-crossing-channel-and-heading-london-9788348.html
[/QUOTE][QUOTE][b]In 2018, 7 out of 10 young French people (18-24 years old) plan to move abroad.[/b]
The causes of this decision would be their wish for adventure (46% of their answers) and their search for better career opportunities (40.4%).
[b]Compared to the results observed two years ago, 51% of 18- to 24-year-olds would be more likely to move abroad.[/b]
But young people are not the only ones who want to live abroad. A third of French people are more likely to emigrate than they did two years ago. If we look at the data, we go from one million French expatriates worldwide in 2000 to more than 2 million in 2017.
The majority of French people would be looking for a lower cost of living (44.3% of the respondents) or a better standard of living (43%).
Last but not least, 23% of the French planning to leave want to do it for life.
The most considered destinations according to this survey are Canada, Portugal and Spain.
https://www.mondassur.com/en/your-news/health-during-trip/72-of-young-french-people-want-to-move-abroad/.[/QUOTE][QUOTE]Todays migration isnt politically or religiously motivated, however; its economic. [b]This is borne out by the makeup of the departing population, which consists disproportionately of young people, 70 percent of the migrants are under 40 and advanced-degree holders, who do their studies in France but offer their skills elsewhere.[/b]
https://www.city-journal.org/html/gloomy-france-13619.html.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2539768]In the age of social media, the truth will not always prevail. All you have to do is be loud, repeat yourself, and act confident as you repeat those "truths". It's about self-promotion. ISG might even be a microcosm of that: if you serial post you can change the narrative!
Musk and Zuckerberg ultimately found a crowd that would accept them. I imagine they laughed, had fun and formed social bonds with other freaks and geeks. The latter group would be characterized as loners. Loners are more susceptible to being radicalized or finding solace in online hate groups, constantly degrading people they deem to be "inferior". In short there is a difference between having nerdy friends, and no friends at all.
People thinking that they know better than the experts is the new norm. Trump's economic, military, or scientific advisors all knew more than him, but in his own mind he knew better, because he had "intuition". But I could see this trend continuing because the educational system (in the West since since the 1980's) instills a false sense of confidence in child's own capabilities. Instead of telling a child they got the answer wrong, and they need to work harder, they are told that their answer has merit too:[/QUOTE]I agree. My point was to show that they come from the same childhood trauma of social rejection. The difference is how the person adjusts to social rejection. A healthy subculture can be very beneficial, while the wrong ones lead to attachment to far fringe subcultures that lead to pathological psychologies. "Freaks and Geeks" was an allusion to a 90's sitcom that romanticized geek culture, a trend of the time. As such, being a geek has adopted healthy connotations and as stated, led to productive members of society. On the other hand, people like Lanza attached themselves to online communities that promoted conspiracy theories not too different than the ones being spewed on this very board. Even though the "loner" group may not know the other members of the boards personally, it is still a community of like-minded people for them. That sense of community and the mindset that community promoted defines my definition of a subculture.
As such, social rejection does not have to define a person. Their choices in reaction to that rejection gives true insight into that person. Even acceptance into the nerdy subcultures still requires some polishing of social skills which leads to a more apt human. Retreating to online communities that romanticize privileged knowledge or special insights often produces a false sense of superiority, often aimed towards the people who "rejected" them. That being said, I must be careful as I don't want to be the victim of some crazy person's revenge porn fantasies.
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[QUOTE=TomTigers;2539733]There is absolutely zero evidence of this, and this is basically stupid conspiracy theory bullshit.[/QUOTE]You know the same gang of clowns pretended last year that there was no evidence that covid was the cause of death of all the victims since they were old, with comorbidites, blah blah blah. And basically everyone will die sooner or later so don't change anything.
So now they should say that there is no evidence that the vaccine was the cause of all the severe incidents because most of the vaccinated were old, with comorbidites! You could try to explain them the concept of statistical significance but basically it would be wasted time.
At rocky, I think I love you! But no, since they're skilled scientists, I think they should try to cook their medicine themselves, in their kitchen!
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2539801]In a more recent post you stated that AZ vaccine was actually banned in those countries. If you don't understand the difference between suspension (pending an investigation) and ban, I'm so sorry for you as your life must suck very badly! I hope you and Pistons stick to your beliefs and reject any vaccine and ANY medicine you will need / require in the future, so that Mother Nature can do the rest.[/QUOTE]Yes AZ is only suspended for investigations and some deaths, but a bit worrying is many medical in France and Germany don t want to get. When lack of vaccine with delay for Pfizer, waiting for Moderna and Johnson, I just wish for less deaths, when Brazil get 2000 daily with crazy Bolzonaro. At least, US should have improved getting rid of crazy racist Trump when they had already so many deaths and not sure they can know for all, among their hidden ghosts living in the dark, hidden from administration. I m sad for Italians who reopened restaurants, museums, just for normal life and only until 6 pm, but fell again and under UK mutant. EU was right when planned mutant high peak would be on March.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2539801]In a more recent post you stated that AZ vaccine was actually banned in those countries. If you don't understand the difference between suspension (pending an investigation) and ban, I'm so sorry for you as your life must suck very badly! I hope you and Pistons stick to your beliefs and reject any vaccine and ANY medicine you will need / require in the future, so that Mother Nature can do the rest.[/QUOTE]Fact is: AstraZeneca is currently banned for use. Whether that ban is temporary or permanent doesn't matter.
Trying to catch me out on a single word illustrates how desperate you are, because you're running out of 'facts' and 'science' to defend your Frankenstein mRNA Vaccine.
[URL]https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02706-6[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2539850]
How can you know the truth in China? Where when you are not a sheep, you go to jail, like driving in Switzerland. Also what about so sexist country like Japan? Without crazy Trump, I would prefer to live in US, in Alaska, or San Francisco, or NY, Boston or Salt Lake, but I prefer to live in beautiful France, land of freedom and number 1 for tourism, must be a reason. Do Chinese know the word freedom?[/QUOTE]Well to me I prefer to live in FKK land like a king, a sultan surrounded by so many women. All you need is money. We only live once. Do not forget someday you might already need crutches.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2539840] all you need to to is basically listen to what I write on ISG.[/QUOTE]Gurus say the same thing.
Then they ask for your money.
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Hi guys, which is the safest anti-covid 19 vaccine in the world today?
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2539847]Not from AZ? Which is forbidden at the moment in 5 countries and Norway, but not in France where many medical don't want to get. When you think you are strong enough, can wait to make own little soldiers vaccine. Second bad winter, wish I will have good Summer, like previous and even better with Summer ski.[/QUOTE]As I wrote in the post you quote: Pfizer. Pfizer was the first company to distribute vaccines up here. AZ came 3rd. Also after Moderna.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2540037]Hi guys, which is the safest anti-covid 19 vaccine in the world today?[/QUOTE]VitaminD supplements, or solarium.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2539904]France, land of freedom? Victims of French police brutality and racism might disagree.[/QUOTE]And the women who are harassed or stalked in the streets because they wear a dress (in Paris for example).
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I am intrigued at how much American Thai male nurses delve into psychology in order to try and project themselves as different from what they are describing. Usually if you google something, it is in order to help oneself overcome a problem. Just like I recently googled "how to trim my new beard the easiest" (damn it started growing this winter. 10 x more than in the past). Or "how to attach a wall mount properly". Or "how to sparkle a floor".
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2539762]I agree. When just aprox 10 000 Pfizer vaccines had been set in Norway, 23 people had already died from the vaccine itself. When the media story was released, crisis management was adopted. A PR company I know got the job, and the story was changed slightly. Globally all countries now has received a message to cover up these deaths.[/QUOTE]That's funny but I found no traces of your 23 deaths.
Instead I found 22 cases of blood clotting among three million people vaccinated.
[URL]https://www.euronews.com/2021/03/11/denmark-suspends-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccinations-as-a-precaution-after-blood-clot-report[/URL]
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2021/03/11/denmark-norway-pause-rollout-of-astrazeneca-vaccines-over-blood-clotting-concerns/[/URL]
I know you like big loud headlines like "90% of our body is generated by alien forces", but could you enlighten us and give us a reliable source from the private internet that you communication moguls use?
Just for the record, I know that every medicine has unwanted effects, and I try to take as less meds as possible, so I'm not questioning the fact the the vaccine could have caused those blood clots. I'm just wondering why you have a ratio of 23/10000 deaths and I just can find 23/3 000 000 severe secondary effects.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2540037]Hi guys, which is the safest anti-covid 19 vaccine in the world today?[/QUOTE]Most probably you own immune system, unless you have severe underlying illnesses like obesity, cardiovascular issues, and-or immune illnesses?
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2540005]Fact is: AstraZeneca is currently banned for use. Whether that ban is temporary or permanent doesn't matter.[/QUOTE]So sad to constantly read misleading statements by some on here.
Although people with any sense will get their Covid info not from a sex forum.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2539678]Today there is a kind of mainstream thinking mostly coming from journalists and politicians (coming from the same schools) the only solution to solve the pandemic is the vaccine, the vaccines are efficient and have no side effects. My friend got vaccined, 2 days back with the AZ, now he is very sick. My sister got the Pfister 1 month back and now she has the covid.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear about your friend and your sister getting sick with the ChiCom bioweapon. I do believe that taking the Pfizer or Moderna are too risky if you still want babies or don't want autoimmune disease later in life. For me, I am waiting for old technology, Johnson & Johnson. Yes, I will get kung flu after J&J shot for sure, but at least I won't die or go to hospital. Good enough. Then, hopefully, FKK land spater in diesem Jahr!
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Once and for all
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2540005]Fact is: AstraZeneca is currently banned for use. Whether that ban is temporary or permanent doesn't matter.
Trying to catch me out on a single word illustrates how desperate you are, because you're running out of 'facts' and 'science' to defend your Frankenstein mRNA Vaccine.
[URL]https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02706-6[/URL][/QUOTE]Hammer,
When a drug is introduced into the market it is subject to continued monitoring. This is because having tested it on a few thousand people will not give you the absolute certainty that it is going to work in other people with different comorbidities. Under normal circumstances, the few cases of serious adverse events that have been observed for AZ vaccines would not be worthy of notice because they occur at a very low frequency if you take into account the number of AZ vaccines that have been administered. However, because you would need to vaccinate billions of people, there is an even attention on the reported adverse events. The more serious ones, seem to occur at a handful of cases per million. Now would you across a bridge that has 1 in a million chances of collapsing or would you prefer to swim across an crocodile-infested river where you have significantly more chances to even die?
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2540037]Hi guys, which is the safest anti-covid 19 vaccine in the world today?[/QUOTE]I wonder if, only for me of course, it is not to catch and fuck it. I don't advice this for at risk people of course and wish for them they will be protected, but won't be for long time.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2539904]France, land of freedom? Victims of French police brutality and racism might disagree.[/QUOTE]My speed problem, when I was never flashed for more than 120 km / h on Swiss autobahns and only flashed on autobahns where maybe you know some parts are limited to 80 for snails driving RSQ7 or Panamera turbo S, for example from Globe returning to Zurich, and without any proof I was the driver when was never caught, is not only in Switzerland, but I was never put in jail elsewhere, even when was caught on motorway in Florida at nearly 100 for I think to remember 60 miles? From what I saw in Zurich jail, I know I m very different but I feel much more safe in France, when I rank Switzerland on same level than China and Russia, but I wish you will be able to understand this is not about Swiss people when I knew and still know so many who are just amazed when they know me and my behavior. Few months ago, when my crappy, office Audi was to change engine, when I returned to get it, I decided to test car Audi gave me, A1 40 TFSI, kind of WRC car, nobody in front on RN4 limited to 110 km / h, so I just pushed, sequential gear box on mode sport and full kickdown, unfortunately I was flashed by french motorbike army polizei, named gendarmerie, fortunately for me just on beginning of acceleration, 156 for 110 when they told me they had to push full speed for a while to get me when I was over 210 . Of course they made alcohol test = 0 as always, they told me I was lucky when they saw their speed on their motorbikes, but everything was courteous, I was not treated like a criminal. I was caught on German autobahn, more than 200 for 100 , and many other times in Germany, also in Belgium, was never treated like in Switzerland, even in US.
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[QUOTE=Adindas;2540018]Well to me I prefer to live in FKK land like a king, a sultan surrounded by so many women. All you need is money. We only live once. Do not forget someday you might already need crutches.[/QUOTE]Yesterday morning drove my crappy Audi for 400 kms on safety engine mode because electronic problem, was less than 40 km / h when motorway was around 8% steep, having to force for D2 with kickdown, when I would have been on 39/24 on crappy bicycle. Trucks went faster than me, listening about engine noise and if no vibrations but good balance. Audi were amazed I could do this, they immediately took the car, checked electronic and car was ready after 2 hours when full guaranty with unlimited kilometers. They even changed engine 4 months ago. At 3 pm, they asked me: you go to test in Germany? When I use to send them photos of GPS speed, much faster than Audi tests, I was quite close to Germany and not so far from Switzerland, usually I used to go to FKK land from there, but I thought only about returning home to see women slalom in Are. Sw, no Cleo nor Zeus which are open and no escort on my standard found in Paris. A bit far from addiction claimed by some here who just know nothing more than they would visit more often if only they could. Girls are right on the point I can control everything, even I really like to meet weekly when I find one on my standards for desire. And I know how it will be complicated for me when I will return, if I don't see a wow beauty. I remember when I returned after 3 months break, at Swiss Dietikon with some Globe girls and I drove for one, but I was not able to go to any, matter of images, no desire, I returned to Paris full balls, heavy to speed on RN19 making jump 4 wheels of the crappy Audi karting, my French Nurburgring.
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[QUOTE=Clodius1;2540095]Sorry to hear about your friend and your sister getting sick with the ChiCom bioweapon. I do believe that taking the Pfizer or Moderna are too risky if you still want babies or don't want autoimmune disease later in life. For me, I am waiting for old technology, Johnson & Johnson. Yes, I will get kung flu after J&J shot for sure, but at least I won't die or go to hospital. Good enough. Then, hopefully, FKK land spater in diesem Jahr![/QUOTE]You won't necessarily "die or go to the hospital" if you catch the CCP Virus. Most people test "positive" without even knowing that they were sick. At my work, a colleague was scheduled for a knee surgery (she's a volleyball player and has messed up her knee) and by sheer coincidence found out that she was "positive" when the hospital tested her when she showed up on the day of surgery.
This 'virus' is so deadly that you need to be tested to see if you even have it, and this 'vaccine' is so good and reliable that you need to be forced to take it. Go figure.
On the WHO website: [URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf[/URL].
Page 7:
[QUOTE]The median infection fatality rate across all 51 locations was 0.27% (corrected 0.23%). [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]For people < 70 years old, the infection fatality rate of COVId-19 across 40 locations with
available data ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% (median 0.05%); the corrected values were similar. [/QUOTE]Whether the J&J vaccine will be good remains to be seen, but even 'normal' vaccines can be dangerous if not thoroughly (read: long term) tested. I'm NOT against vaccines, but I am against using anything that has not been thoroughly tested. It normally takes 8-10 years to develop a vaccine, yet now it's suddenly safe to license it's use after 7-8 months? Would you drive a car with 200 km / h on the highway if the suspension and brakes hadn't been thoroughly tested, also for long term wear and tear?
History has plenty of examples of vaccines that were rushed to market in order to satisfy the commercial (read: money) lust of the pharmaceutical companies. Here are some;.
[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/sep/02/vaccine-derived-polio-spreads-in-africa-after-defeat-of-wild-virus[/URL]
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1383764/[/URL]
The Thalidomide scandal has shown that pharmaceutical companies don't give a fuck about humans, they only care about a quick buck.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide_scandal[/URL]
[QUOTE]n the late 1950s and early 1960s, the use of thalidomide in pregnant women in 46 countries resulted in the "biggest man‐made medical disaster ever,"[/QUOTE]Once Bill Gates is done vaxxing billions of people with a barely tested mRNA vaccine, he will most probably be the new record holder! You want to see the long term Covid19 vaccine test? Look in the mirror, it's *YOU!
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3 more health workers under the age of 50 now hospitalized due to brain bleeding caused by blood clots related to the AZ vaccine. So far only health workers have been given the AZ vaccine here, and not too many have even received them. Maybe just 3-5000.
Also, I wouldn't even want a blood clot anywhere on my body. Lifethreatening or not.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2540030]Gurus say the same thing.
Then they ask for your money.[/QUOTE]I just ask for your ahole, then I let other ISG'ers full of spunk due to the lockdowns get their way.
I'm just a simple guy that way.
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They are still using AstraZeneca in France, which is their and. 1 and because well. They are French!
(but there is a rumor that they might stop it, and that would be not before 6 months and only after huge medias pressure).
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2540005]Fact is: AstraZeneca is currently banned for use. Whether that ban is temporary or permanent doesn't matter.
Trying to catch me out on a single word illustrates how desperate you are, because you're running out of 'facts' and 'science' to defend your Frankenstein mRNA Vaccine.
[URL]https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02706-6[/URL][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Canary;2540094]So sad to constantly read misleading statements by some on here.
Although people with any sense will get their Covid info not from a sex forum.[/QUOTE]Those people probably migrated from the Parler app.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2540112]Hammer,
When a drug is introduced into the market it is subject to continued monitoring. This is because having tested it on a few thousand people will not give you the absolute certainty that it is going to work in other people with different comorbidities. Under normal circumstances, the few cases of serious adverse events that have been observed for AZ vaccines would not be worthy of notice because they occur at a very low frequency if you take into account the number of AZ vaccines that have been administered. However, because you would need to vaccinate billions of people, there is an even attention on the reported adverse events. The more serious ones, seem to occur at a handful of cases per million. Now would you across a bridge that has 1 in a million chances of collapsing or would you prefer to swim across an crocodile-infested river where you have significantly more chances to even die?[/QUOTE]I applaud your effort to fight the good fight. Just know that you will never convince him, no matter how sound your logic. But simply stating your beliefs, when speaking from a logical and well-informed platform should always be encouraged. At the very least, some truly on-the-fence parties will heed the message.
However, I differ on one point. I don't believe the metaphor in the end paints the best portrait of reality. "Crocodile-infested river" is a little inaccurate. His camp does have something right. The super majority of people without chronic disease who are middle age or younger will likely only suffer from mild to moderate symptoms and rebound without much ill effects, at least not while they remain young and healthy. Briefly however, post covid sequelae including exertion intolerance and neurological symptoms from headaches to epilepsy remain a point of concern and investigation.
The point I prefer to make, which I still have yet to hear a rebuttal, is the scenario of an alternative responses to COVID19.
Should we have done nothing and let the disease run its course? In that scenario, Are we okay with NYC, Wuhan, and Lombardy situations all over the world? Do we let every hospital system in every major city in the world break down as they did in those first hard-hit areas?
Or should we have isolated only the elderly and at-risk population while letting everyone else resume normal activity? As seen with the Winter Holiday surge, even *with* restrictions, people still exposed their at-risk loved ones. So what would be the end game to release the at-risk from their banishment as they still continue to helplessly die off? Would it be, *gasp*, vaccines?
Other solutions?
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2540053]That's funny but I found no traces of your 23 deaths.
Instead I found 22 cases of blood clotting among three million people vaccinated.
[URL]https://www.euronews.com/2021/03/11/denmark-suspends-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccinations-as-a-precaution-after-blood-clot-report[/URL]
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2021/03/11/denmark-norway-pause-rollout-of-astrazeneca-vaccines-over-blood-clotting-concerns/[/URL]
I know you like big loud headlines like "90% of our body is generated by alien forces", but could you enlighten us and give us a reliable source from the private internet that you communication moguls use?
Just for the record, I know that every medicine has unwanted effects, and I try to take as less meds as possible, so I'm not questioning the fact the the vaccine could have caused those blood clots. I'm just wondering why you have a ratio of 23/10000 deaths and I just can find 23/3 000 000 severe secondary effects.[/QUOTE]I have linked the story here over a month ago.
Anyway, you cannot be very good with Google if you were unable to find it.
[URL]https://www.businesstoday.in/current/world/covid-19-vaccination-23-elderly-people-dead-after-pfizer-shot-in-norway/story/428119.html[/URL]
I also read the original statement. And that statement was tweaked after 3 days. As I said, due to crisis management.
And no, I am not sharing my sources. You really think I would jeopardize my job? How dumb can someone be?
Also, by looking at the number of shots having been made here prior to the news, and taking lag into account, I came up with 10 000 only. And this was after only 1 out of 2 jabs by the way.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2540143]I wonder if, only for me of course, it is not to catch and fuck it. I don't advice this for at risk people of course and wish for them they will be protected, but won't be for long time.[/QUOTE]Sure, why don't you do that. Go ahead and start licking poles in the Paris subway.
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Do you know Peter Daszak? The guy who lead the international investigation into the Wuhan lab on behalf of WHO?
Well, aside from the fact that he first let China get 12 months to prepare, clean and hide all traces, here is a fine interview by him 9 months ago where he splurged how easy it is to tweak the spikes on the corona viruses:
[URL]https://youtu.be/IdYDL_RK--w[/URL]
He also knew the Wuhan lab personell who were studying bats gathered from Yunnan.
[URL]https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02473-4[/URL]
So now go figure why this is also being covered up in the west.
But later on after the investigation was done, this same fraud of a guy suddenly turns 180, contradicts himself and say this very idea is impossible that the virus would come from the lab who were studying this transmission. Something he 8 months earlier in the interview I linked easily stated how easy it was.
Not to mention Li-Meng Yan's claim on top of this and how she said she knew the people who did the tweaks, and had talked to many of them about it several times.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2540048]VitaminD supplements, or solarium.[/QUOTE]Riiiight, because there is no risk for using a solarium. And of course, people who spend most of their times outside (for example Eastern European agricultural workers working in Germany) never caught the virus.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2540081]Most probably you own immune system, unless you have severe underlying illnesses like obesity, cardiovascular issues, and-or immune illnesses?[/QUOTE]It's less dangerous than the flu, right? If only the old and weak would have the decency to not insist on being admitted to hospitals and and use up resources for weeks before they die. Survival of the fittest, just take them out in the Bush and let the hyenas take care of them.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2540152]My speed problem, when I was never flashed for more than 120 km / h on Swiss autobahns and only flashed on autobahns where maybe you know some parts are limited to 80 for snails driving RSQ7 or Panamera turbo S, for example from Globe returning to Zurich, and without any proof I was the driver when was never caught, is not only in Switzerland, but I was never put in jail elsewhere, even when was caught on motorway in Florida at nearly 100 for I think to remember 60 miles? From what I saw in Zurich jail, I know I m very different but I feel much more safe in France, when I rank Switzerland on same level than China and Russia, but I wish you will be able to understand this is not about Swiss people when I knew and still know so many who are just amazed when they know me and my behavior. Few months ago, when my crappy, office Audi was to change engine, when I returned to get it, I decided to test car Audi gave me, A1 40 TFSI, kind of WRC car, nobody in front on RN4 limited to 110 km / h, so I just pushed, sequential gear box on mode sport and full kickdown, unfortunately I was flashed by french motorbike army polizei, named gendarmerie, fortunately for me just on beginning of acceleration, 156 for 110 when they told me they had to push full speed for a while to get me when I was over 210 . Of course they made alcohol test = 0 as always, they told me I was lucky when they saw their speed on their motorbikes, but everything was courteous, I was not treated like a criminal. I was caught on German autobahn, more than 200 for 100 , and many other times in Germany, also in Belgium, was never treated like in Switzerland, even in US.[/QUOTE]So "my speed problem" and "flashed" means you admit you were speeding? Good for you. How police treats you depends as well on how you talk to them. If you say "hey, my bad" and pay your fine, then you are good to go. If you get confrontational and channel your inner Jeanne d'Arc, they might decide to show you what other options they have at their disposal.
I bet you drive now very carefully through Switzerland, never more than 5 km / h over the speed limit. By the way, I have an equal negative opinion about Swiss who go to Germany to race on the autobahns there because the fines are much lower than in Switzerland.
It is very understandable that you feel much more safe in France. You might want to ask people with origins in the ex French colonies what they think about the French police or French society in general.
I personally feel much more safe in Zurich, statistically it is much safer than Paris. There are areas in Paris or Marseille where I wouldn't recommend you to go for a walk.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2540048]VitaminD supplements, or solarium.[/QUOTE]Which also has the slightly unpleasant effect to increase your chances of getting cancer.
[URL]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20136909/[/URL]
Do you have shares in some sun bed companies?
Or do you own a solarium salon?
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2540169]The Thalidomide scandal has shown that pharmaceutical companies don't give a fuck about humans, they only care about a quick buck.[/QUOTE]In China they publicly stated that they were using humans as Guinea pigs on their vaccine just a month or two ago. So yes, this is not just back in the 1960's. It's happening today! And due to certain moratoriums in western countries on for example gain-of-function research. Something which Trump removed, labs in for example China, who does not care at all if thousands die were of course handpicked. Perhaps also due to the proximity of the natural habitat of the bat corona viruses.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2540152]From what I saw in Zurich jail, I know I m very different but I feel much more safe in France, when I rank Switzerland on same level than China and Russia, but I wish you will be able to understand this is not about Swiss people when I knew and still know so many who are just amazed when they know me and my behavior.[/QUOTE]Did you spend time in a French jail so you can compare?
There are plenty of problems with Switzerland. Their banks had no problems accepting money from anybody who wanted to hide it, there are local municipalities refusing to grant citizenship to people having the wrong surname, they have their own problems with xenophobia.
Saying that Switzerland is at the same level with China and Russia is just plain stupid. To prove me wrong, I suggest you get confrontational with Russian or Chinese police. You refused to pay a speeding fine in a foreign country. Do you really think this was a smart thing to do? Would you do it again?
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[QUOTE=Haokool;2540188]They are still using AstraZeneca in France, which is their and. 1 and because well. They are French!
(but there is a rumor that they might stop it, and that would be not before 6 months and only after huge medias pressure).[/QUOTE]France didn't suspend AZ and even many of our medical don t want to get and I respect their fear, won t suspend cheap AZ when we already have too many 90 000 deaths, too many UK mutant new cases right now, and lack of vaccine with Pfizer and even AZ delay, so France prefer to take risk, to try to save life and I agree with my country to try to vaccine most of those at risk who want, even when will be my turn, I won t run for any vaccine, I prefer my own little soldiers, maybe already made in blood O, when I didn't change much my way of life since 1 year, still kissing pretty girls, only no ski when I m fully sure I would not catch nor give in my extreme spots where I don t see many others, sometimes like a lonely bear for hours, like when crossing and back 3500 meters high Girose glacier between la Grave la Meije and 2 Alps. But no AZ for more than 75 yo in France, only Pfizer and few Moderna. US keep for them AZ built in US, to get enough vaccine and easier than Pfizer.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2540048]VitaminD supplements, or solarium.[/QUOTE]Reason why people seemed stronger and virus less strong on last Summer and may help again in few months when still lack of vaccine, but it was before mutants, when Manaus Brazil is on Summer and so many deaths around.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2540112]Hammer,
When a drug is introduced into the market it is subject to continued monitoring. This is because having tested it on a few thousand people will not give you the absolute certainty that it is going to work in other people with different comorbidities. Under normal circumstances, the few cases of serious adverse events that have been observed for AZ vaccines would not be worthy of notice because they occur at a very low frequency if you take into account the number of AZ vaccines that have been administered. However, because you would need to vaccinate billions of people, there is an even attention on the reported adverse events. The more serious ones, seem to occur at a handful of cases per million. Now would you across a bridge that has 1 in a million chances of collapsing or would you prefer to swim across an crocodile-infested river where you have significantly more chances to even die?[/QUOTE]Fortunately, when I think around 10 millions vaccined in UK, don t seem AZ made too many problems there, when cheap and easy vaccine. UK and US even prefer to keep for them AZ they are producing, rather than sending to EU where lack of vaccine to be able to protect those who need and want, to lower deaths, when already too many. French medical don t run to get, I think same in Germany. French medical also telling even with vaccine, but will still need mask not to catch and give, still spreading, when vaccine work for less than 1 year and UK mutant now killing Western EU, so what will happen on next Winter? Vaccine again? Like versus flu, but for far many more than only older than 65 yo. Complicated time now and to come, when lack of vaccine, but should be very good business for pharma.
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I wouldn't book a trip to Germany just yet folks.
The RKI (Robert Koch Institute, the German CDC) is predicting an whopping Incident Rate (number of 'infections' per 100 k over the last 7 days) of 350 after Easter. Quite logical if you do tons more testing with a crappy PCR test that produces many false positives and people without any symptoms.
Link in German from a reputable news site: [URL]https://www.businessinsider.de/bi/rki-prognostiziert-zu-ostern-inzidenz-von-350-und-damit-hoehere-neuinfektionszahlen-als-zu-weihnachten/[/URL].
Link in English: [URL]https://www.thelocal.de/20210311/germany-still-has-three-or-four-tough-months-to-go-says-merkel/[/URL].
So far an "Incident Rate" of 50 has been used to justify lockdowns, so imagine what they'll do when it hits 350. One thing is for certain: they will NOT be opening FKK clubs!
In September last year, DDR StaSi-Mutti Merkel told the Proletariate and the German Peasantry that '4 tough months are ahead of us:
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/germany-budget-merkel/tough-few-months-ahead-with-coronavirus-warns-merkel-idINS8N2GK03Y[/URL]
And.
[URL]https://www.thelocal.de/20201029/four-long-months-germany-faces-hard-winter-warns-merkel/[/URL]
But now Merkel is back-peddling on that 'promise' and is openly speaking of yet another 3-4 tough months ahead:
[URL]https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article227999359/Angela-Merkel-Das-sind-jetzt-noch-drei-vier-schwere-Monate.html[/URL]
[URL]https://www.focus.de/politik/deutschland/bis-impfeffekte-deutlich-werden-merkel-im-gespraech-mit-buergern-noch-drei-vier-schwere-monate_id_13069049.html[/URL]
Link in English: [URL]https://www.thelocal.de/20210311/germany-still-has-three-or-four-tough-months-to-go-says-merkel/[/URL].
The reason? "Bis Impfeffekte deutlich werden" (My translation: 'Until vaccine-effects become more clear'.
As I predicted, the lockdowns and shutdowns will never end with a continuous stream of "mutations" and fear mongering from the media, vaccine lobbyists, and politicians, and it seems as if the illustrious leader of the EUSSR Politburo isn't so confident herself anymore about the wonderful effects of the so-called "vaccine. ".
I guess it's time to move to Russia or Belarus, as they probably have more freedom, transparency and democracy there. / sarc They for sure have a lot more HOT women, as Russians don't put up with fat, ugly, Marxist-feminist, lesbians with short hair screaming about being "woke" and "evil sexist men. " LOL!
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2540171]3 more health workers under the age of 50 now hospitalized due to brain bleeding caused by blood clots related to the AZ vaccine. So far only health workers have been given the AZ vaccine here, and not too many have even received them. Maybe just 3-5000.[/QUOTE]Really?
[URL]https://www.fhi.no/en/news/2021/vaksinasjon-med-astrazeneca-vaksinen-mot-covid-19-settes-pa-pause/[/URL]
[QUOTE]In Norway, 121,820 people have been vaccinated with the AstraZeneca vaccine.[/QUOTE]Do you have a more reliable source maybe? (no your arsehole doesn't qualify).
And only health workers?
[URL]https://www.fhi.no/en/news/2021/astrazeneca-vaccine-recommended-for-all-over-18-years-of-age/[/URL]
Maybe they changed their strategy because they nominated you as their official health minister.
You know the worst thing? There is actually some truth in what you and HT96 are saying: there has been no long term study, there are already been some health related scandals (Distilbene, Thalidomide, Depakine, Mediator, the prostethis they use in women genital organs), there is a chance that the AZ is definitively and strongly related to these deaths and that the benefits are now outweighed by the risks, or that there is a lousy batch.
But the way you twist and rearrange the truth to fit your agenda and your simplistic logic makes your opinions rather ridiculous and irrelevant.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2540037]Hi guys, which is the safest anti-covid 19 vaccine in the world today?[/QUOTE]No answer to this question. I suspect that FKK hobbyists are skeptical about the vaccines. You guys do know that you will be refused entry to FKKs, when they open, if you do not present your vaccination certificates at the front desk.
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Thank you, I found some other sources.
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-norway-idUSKBN29P2R1[/URL]
You just forgot to give some context elements, like the fact that they were elderly people with other diseases and it appears that the mainstream media covered the case.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2540037]Hi guys, which is the safest anti-covid 19 vaccine in the world today?[/QUOTE]For those that have been approved by major national regulator, the safety profile far outweigh the risk of developing any complication. Take whatever vaccine you are offered (if you are in US, either Pfizer, J&J or Moderna) and you'll be fine. You don't want to miss the FKK glorious re-opening for not having been vaccinated!
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2540351]No answer to this question. I suspect that FKK hobbyists are skeptical about the vaccines. You guys do know that you will be refused entry to FKKs, when they open, if you do not present your vaccination certificates at the front desk.[/QUOTE]Dude, ask your GP or doctor! Are you seriously asking for medical advice from anonymous people on a hooker forum? LOL!
Nothing is official yet when it comes to getting refused entry without vaccine. This will only happen when weak, gullible and naive people submit to pressure, and want to exchange short term pleasure in return for sacrificing basic freedoms and privacy. Don't be the idiot to participate in the ending of FKKs, because when permanent government tracking is introduced, I'm afraid the end of FKKs will be near. Many Germans are very sensitive about privacy (much more than dumb Brits or Americans who surrender their entire lives to Google and Facebook) and it's the big German masses that pay for the basic operating costs of any FKK.
When Germans (and Europeans from neighbouring countries) stay away in big numbers, you can say adios to the concept of FKK clubs because it will probably not make much financial sense to operate (heating, cleaning, security, food, drinks, furniture, sauna, towels) big clubs 24/7 as was the case pre-covid.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2540303]And only health workers?[/QUOTE]They have sent out 128 k to the municipalities. That is not the same as actually injecting them. Just a few days ago only 3.4% of the entire population were vaccinated. And by far most of them percentage wise was from Pfizer. By the way, 3. 4% of the population is 187 k. So the numbers don't add up given the number of Pfizer vaccines, and some Moderna vaccines.
The official story is that no one knows why not more AZ vaccines have actually been given. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that people are refusing to take it. Plus there is a lag in the system.
The reason the FHI is suggesting that people over 18 years old take the AZ vaccine is probably related to the risk of infertility with the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. So those might just be fine in case you are too old to have kids anyway.
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OK, it should have been 30-50 k. And not 3-5000. My bad there. But about 67% are just laying there with noone taking them. I was just at the dentist last week and heard the helper there had received one. She was not a part of those who should have gotten it, but it was made available due to others having rejected it. And she had taken 3 days off work a couple of days prior due to fever, headache, vomiting etc. And everyone she knew who also had gotten the AZ vaccine had had the same 2-3 days of 39-40 in fever with bad headache and vomiting. It certainly doesn't feel pleasant. That's for sure.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2540257]In China they publicly stated that they were using humans as Guinea pigs on their vaccine just a month or two ago. So yes, this is not just back in the 1960's. It's happening today! And due to certain moratoriums in western countries on for example gain-of-function research. Something which Trump removed, labs in for example China, who does not care at all if thousands die were of course handpicked. Perhaps also due to the proximity of the natural habitat of the bat corona viruses.[/QUOTE]This time I'm with you, I don't really want to try the Chinese vaccine. Maybe the ouďghours helped a little bit to conceive it, against their will.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2540351]No answer to this question. I suspect that FKK hobbyists are skeptical about the vaccines. You guys do know that you will be refused entry to FKKs, when they open, if you do not present your vaccination certificates at the front desk.[/QUOTE]Who tell this? When no vaccine passport planned in EU at the moment. I wonder more what Bavarian who could be after Angela, think about Germany being big brothel of Europe, meaning virus playfield, if people come from all over the world, when he wanted to close border with Tirol under mutant.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2540296]The RKI (Robert Koch Institute, the German CDC) is predicting an whopping Incident Rate (number of 'infections' per 100 k over the last 7 days) of 350 after Easter. Quite logical if you do tons more testing with a crappy PCR test that produces many false positives and people without any symptoms.
Link in German from a reputable news site: [URL]https://www.businessinsider.de/bi/rki-prognostiziert-zu-ostern-inzidenz-von-350-und-damit-hoehere-neuinfektionszahlen-als-zu-weihnachten/[/URL].
Link in English: [URL]https://www.thelocal.de/20210311/germany-still-has-three-or-four-tough-months-to-go-says-merkel/[/URL].
So far an "Incident Rate" of 50 has been used to justify lockdowns, so imagine what they'll do when it hits 350. One thing is for certain: they will NOT be opening FKK clubs!
In September last year, DDR StaSi-Mutti Merkel told the Proletariate and the German Peasantry that '4 tough months are ahead of us:
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/germany-budget-merkel/tough-few-months-ahead-with-coronavirus-warns-merkel-idINS8N2GK03Y[/URL]
And..[/QUOTE]EU planned peak on March, UK tell now UK mutant kill 60% more than original, when we have UK mutant for 60% new cases in France, when Italy fell again, under UK mutant, when Germany and Spain forbid UK since a while, Italy following now. I don't see who in Germany would take risk to reopen brothels before elections to come for after Angela who was loved for 15 years, even not so pretty.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2540237]Sure, why don't you do that. Go ahead and start licking poles in the Paris subway.[/QUOTE]On reopening on mid June, I returned in Switzerland, Austria on July and Germany on September, most difficult for me was as always to succeed to find a beauty on my standards, not to kiss a WG I chose for her image, when I was not scared to catch. I always gave my real private data, I'm not a Donald, I was never contacted. But I wish all those who need and want, to be protected.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2540358]Thank you, I found some other sources.
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-norway-idUSKBN29P2R1[/URL]
You just forgot to give some context elements, like the fact that they were elderly people with other diseases and it appears that the mainstream media covered the case.[/QUOTE]That is actually pure lies from Reuters there.
This anti-MMS news site was the first to report on it: [URL]https://resett.no/2021/01/14/statens-legemiddelverk-det-er-meldt-om-23-dodsfall-i-forbindelse-med-vaksinasjon-i-norge-sa-langt/[/URL].
After this official report came out: [URL]https://legemiddelverket.no/godkjenning/koronavaksiner/meldte-mistenkte-bivirkninger-av-koronavaksiner[/URL].
Then the mainstream medias all went crisis management soon after because they were scared of the anti mainstream to lead the debate on vaccines. And so probably all of the reports you read in MSM cites social media instead of Resett.
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BigB: You really ought to look in the mirror sometimes when your hero news sources straight up lies to the public again and again tweaking the facts according to their own agenda. It gets tedious after awhile.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2540351]No answer to this question. I suspect that FKK hobbyists are skeptical about the vaccines. You guys do know that you will be refused entry to FKKs, when they open, if you do not present your vaccination certificates at the front desk.[/QUOTE]Exactly right. But lives and health is more important being able to visit clubs for some extra time.
Just the fact that some of us are arguing against the vaccines should be a massive indicator on who to listen to. While the nurse and the big guy just think with their tiny willies.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2540259]Did you spend time in a French jail so you can compare?
There are plenty of problems with Switzerland. Their banks had no problems accepting money from anybody who wanted to hide it, there are local municipalities refusing to grant citizenship to people having the wrong surname, they have their own problems with xenophobia.
Saying that Switzerland is at the same level with China and Russia is just plain stupid. To prove me wrong, I suggest you get confrontational with Russian or Chinese police. You refused to pay a speeding fine in a foreign country. Do you really think this was a smart thing to do? Would you do it again?[/QUOTE]This is not about rooms in jail when I sleep in my car even on Winter and can sleep in mountains. When was controlled on Rheinfelden border and refused to pay to be fucked when they had no proof about me, when they saw my 2 credit cards and cash, so they put messe in my car stealing my French material and I don't like that nor pressure they put on you to make you pay, when Switzerland don't respect international laws when they have to write you in your language, they don't respect human rights when they don't give you a lawyer to defend your rights, you have no rights in Switzerland, same like in China or Russia. No problem in jail with Albanian drugs dealer who were happy I gave them my foods I refused to eat and explained me their business from NL to all over Switzerland, you learn in Swiss Zurich police prison, and about where to enter on north, when they don't know mountains on south like me. But I saw a nice guy from central America living in Switzerland since years, being shocked just because he didn't pay a bus ticket when he had no job, just ridiculous, even when Argau or Zurich prisons seem quite empty. When I try to adapt to Swiss autobahns for snails and really not easy and exhausting for me when about 10 radars between Lausanne and Geneva, but I will never accept to pay to be fucked, I prefer to return to fight Swiss administration, refusing to eat, to go outside of room and now I experienced, I will also refuse to follow them on next time, because if they don't show me proves, then I m innocent according to international laws. But I like Swiss people who are usually nice.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2540257]In China they publicly stated that they were using humans as Guinea pigs on their vaccine just a month or two ago. So yes, this is not just back in the 1960's. It's happening today! And due to certain moratoriums in western countries on for example gain-of-function research. Something which Trump removed, labs in for example China, who does not care at all if thousands die were of course handpicked. Perhaps also due to the proximity of the natural habitat of the bat corona viruses.[/QUOTE]Chinese vaccine is not allowed in EU and I would worry if sputnik Vladimir was allowed, when many Russians don't trust and prefer not to get.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2540303]Really?
[URL]https://www.fhi.no/en/news/2021/vaksinasjon-med-astrazeneca-vaksinen-mot-covid-19-settes-pa-pause/[/URL]
Do you have a more reliable source maybe? (no your arsehole doesn't qualify).
And only health workers?
[URL]https://www.fhi.no/en/news/2021/astrazeneca-vaccine-recommended-for-all-over-18-years-of-age/[/URL]
Maybe they changed their strategy because they nominated you as their official health minister.
You know the worst thing? There is actually some truth in what you and HT96 are saying: there has been no long term study, there are already been some health related scandals (Distilbene, Thalidomide, Depakine, Mediator, the prostethis they use in women genital organs), there is a chance that the AZ is definitively and strongly related to these deaths and that the benefits are now outweighed by the risks, or that there is a lousy batch..[/QUOTE]You're all arguing with a guy who has an FKK hooker's name tattoo'd on his foot. Literally.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2540210]Alternative responses to COVID19?
Should we have done nothing and let the disease run its course? In that scenario, Are we okay with NYC, Wuhan, and Lombardy situations all over the world? Do we let every hospital system in every major city in the world break down as they did in those first hard-hit areas?
Or should we have isolated only the elderly and at-risk population while letting everyone else resume normal activity? As seen with the Winter Holiday surge, even *with* restrictions, people still exposed their at-risk loved ones (leading to the biggest surge, despite lockdowns). So what would be the end game to release the at-risk from their banishment as they still continue to helplessly die off? Would it be, *gasp*, vaccines?
Other solutions?[/QUOTE]Wonder what the super insightful freethinkers propose as alternative solutions. Would love to hear your ideas. Popcorn is poppin'.
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Covid war
NYC telling covid killed more of their citizens, more than 32000, than second WW, Vietnam and 11 September which was a real shock for me when I was still young, seeing people jumping through windows, all together. Wish Biden will make a good job to make US safe again. More than 90000 in France, more than 100000 in UK and Italy, around 75000 in Germany, sad figures and Italy which tried to open a bit restaurants and museums is a sad example. For real fact, as I often wrote, UK mutant is killing Western EU on this year, killing 60% more. Lack of vaccine and more and more countries, now even Ireland and NL suspending AZ, when Austria, Norway, Denmark, Iceland already did.
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The Netherlands is the latest country to suspend the AstraZeneca 'vaccine:
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56397157[/URL]
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2540358]Thank you, I found some other sources.
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-norway-idUSKBN29P2R1[/URL]
You just forgot to give some context elements, like the fact that they were elderly people with other diseases and it appears that the mainstream media covered the case.[/QUOTE]Ah yes, those good old "independent fact checkers" again, hahaha! Eight EU countries have now suspended the use of AstraZeneca, so it's probably nothing. ' Those people who suddenly died of blood clots only days after being vaccinated are probably anti-vaxxers who are faking their own death. / sarc.
P.S. Where is Mursenary these days? Isn't it odd that when Mursenary doesn't make a lot of posts, you suddenly see an increase in posts from 'other' people who coincidentally represent the exact same opinion as Mursenary? LOL!
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2540453]Just the fact that some of us are arguing against the vaccines should be a massive indicator on who to listen to.[/QUOTE]So go argue against Darwin's theories. That's what fanatics from different religions do.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2540449]Then the mainstream medias all went crisis management soon after because they were scared of the anti mainstream to lead the debate on vaccines. And so probably all of the reports you read in MSM cites social media instead of Resett.[/QUOTE]Probably.
Because according to this link, [URL]https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Resett.no[/URL].
Your resett website is specialized in far right paranoid theories and frequent inaccuracies.
I don't want to waste too much time investigate (and I don't speak Norwegian) but it fits with what you've been saying from the beginning (black people are sick because of the vitD, blablabla) and all the bullshit that has been flourishing since the rise of Internet, social networks, and so on.
Oh I searched a little bit finally: [URL]https://norwaytoday.info/news/vipps-expels-resett/[/URL].
Your preferred source of information seems to have problems with the evil Google empire and with some Norwegian payment firm. Strange, Google loves to make money, they should let their AdSense on Resett?
I'm pretty sure that 80 years ago, some guys wearing strange crosses on their uniform would have loved to have a brain washing tool like that.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2540373]Dude, ask your GP or doctor! Are you seriously asking for medical advice from anonymous people on a hooker forum? LOL!
Nothing is official yet when it comes to getting refused entry without vaccine. This will only happen when weak, gullible and naive people submit to pressure, and want to exchange short term pleasure in return for sacrificing basic freedoms and privacy. Don't be the idiot to participate in the ending of FKKs, because when permanent government tracking is introduced, I'm afraid the end of FKKs will be near. Many Germans are very sensitive about privacy (much more than dumb Brits or Americans who surrender their entire lives to Google and Facebook) and it's the big German masses that pay for the basic operating costs of any FKK.
When Germans (and Europeans from neighbouring countries) stay away in big numbers, you can say adios to the concept of FKK clubs because it will probably not make much financial sense to operate (heating, cleaning, security, food, drinks, furniture, sauna, towels) big clubs 24/7 as was the case pre-covid.[/QUOTE]Hey,
A (partially) reasonable post.
Definitely people should check with their doctor. I did check with several doctors I know, in Switzerland and other places. All told me to get what I get offered when the time comes. So far in Switzerland it's Pfizer or Moderna.
BTW, do you know which vaccine has which chip? Fauci said in an interview that there is a Fauci chip too, not just a Bill Gates chip.
I seriously doubt that once we are close to herd immunity ID checks will still be done in FKKs. As long as FKKs will check IDs I won't go there. I didn't have enough cash on me once, so I paid with a credit card, so I am no longer worried about the Swiss government.
Some FKKs will disappear, no doubt about it, but it's because they don't have enough reserves to survive being closed for so long. There is nothing wrong with the FKK business model, demand will still be there. Globe will still be around.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2540393]Who tell this? When no vaccine passport planned in EU at the moment. I wonder more what Bavarian who could be after Angela, think about Germany being big brothel of Europe, meaning virus playfield, if people come from all over the world, when he wanted to close border with Tirol under mutant.[/QUOTE]Ursula van der Leyen.
[URL]https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210301-eu-to-propose-covid-19-vaccine-passports-in-march[/URL]
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2540622]Ah yes, those good old "independent fact checkers" again, hahaha! Eight EU countries have now suspended the use of AstraZeneca, so it's probably nothing. ' Those people who suddenly died of blood clots only days after being vaccinated are probably anti-vaxxers who are faking their own death. / sarc.
P.S. Where is Mursenary these days? Isn't it odd that when Mursenary doesn't make a lot of posts, you suddenly see an increase in posts from 'other' people who coincidentally represent the exact same opinion as Mursenary? LOL![/QUOTE]If these EU countries come back and say that AZ is safe to use, will you accept that as the truth?
If they come back and say the vaccine is not safe to use, would you accept that as well?
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2540622].P.S. Where is Mursenary these days? Isn't it odd that when Mursenary doesn't make a lot of posts, you suddenly see an increase in posts from 'other' people who coincidentally represent the exact same opinion as Mursenary? LOL![/QUOTE]You miss me? How cute. Been posting everyday. Poor observation skills on display here.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2540509]You're all arguing with a guy who has an FKK hooker's name tattoo'd on his foot. Literally.[/QUOTE]Are you sure it's not 'KKK forever'?
Well guys, you have strange fetishes here. Two guys on this thread admitted that they were checking your dick under the showers and you just said that you have a kink for male feet.
Tell me the truth, do you really go in clubs for the girls?
If you're into watching male body parts, go to the gym!
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2539850]How can you know the truth in China? Where when you are not a sheep, you go to jail, like driving in Switzerland. Also what about so sexist country like Japan? Without crazy Trump, I would prefer to live in US, in Alaska, or San Francisco, or NY, Boston or Salt Lake, but I prefer to live in beautiful France, land of freedom and number 1 for tourism, must be a reason. Do Chinese know the word freedom?[/QUOTE]It's ok, we really don't need any more nut jobs in the US so France can keep you. I don't understand why when it's so great would spend so much time in other countries paying for sex. Yep, Europe or you get no play. All the French seductive powers you have are in the bank account or wallet.
Oh, and can we hear the story of how you suffered police brutality at the hands of the Swiss police one last time. Please, the full story and then never ever again.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2540668]Are you sure it's not 'KKK forever'?
Well guys, you have strange fetishes here. Two guys on this thread admitted that they were checking your dick under the showers and you just said that you have a kink for male feet.
Tell me the truth, do you really go in clubs for the girls?
If you're into watching male body parts, go to the gym![/QUOTE]Jesus christ. Apparently everyone left on the board is an asshole.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2540650]Probably.
Because according to this link, [URL]https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Resett.no[/URL].
Your resett website is specialized in far right paranoid theories and frequent inaccuracies.
I don't want to waste too much time investigate (and I don't speak Norwegian) but it fits with what you've been saying from the beginning (black people are sick because of the vitD, blablabla) and all the bullshit that has been flourishing since the rise of Internet, social networks, and so on.
Oh I searched a little bit finally: [URL]https://norwaytoday.info/news/vipps-expels-resett/[/URL].
Your preferred source of information seems to have problems with the evil Google empire and with some Norwegian payment firm. Strange, Google loves to make money, they should let their AdSense on Resett?
I'm pretty sure that 80 years ago, some guys wearing strange crosses on their uniform would have loved to have a brain washing tool like that.[/QUOTE]I don't read Resett as I agree with you on them being far right. And I am a left winger. Pro immigration of hot women.
But it doesn't change the fact of what I wrote in my post about this one incident we are discussing here. Try to discuss topic and not person / source for awhile. It might help you throughout life!
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2540668]Are you sure it's not 'KKK forever'?
Well guys, you have strange fetishes here. Two guys on this thread admitted that they were checking your dick under the showers and you just said that you have a kink for male feet.
Tell me the truth, do you really go in clubs for the girls?
If you're into watching male body parts, go to the gym![/QUOTE]P.S. The foot tattoo comment wasn't about you.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2540656]Ursula van der Leyen.
[URL]https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210301-eu-to-propose-covid-19-vaccine-passports-in-march[/URL][/QUOTE]Did you read all? When lack of vaccine and AZ now suspended in NL, Germany, Italy, Spain and France. I don't think EU is ready for passport, when they are not able to vaccine.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2540668]Are you sure it's not 'KKK forever'?
Well guys, you have strange fetishes here. Two guys on this thread admitted that they were checking your dick under the showers and you just said that you have a kink for male feet.
Tell me the truth, do you really go in clubs for the girls?
If you're into watching male body parts, go to the gym![/QUOTE]OK, time for some facts here as BigB's world view seems to always be so distorted.
1. I have never seen the dick of the Nurse myself. However, I am sure that if it had been larger, as in normal size, it would have been hard to have avoid given all the times we mongered together.
2. Our friendship kinda went astray due to some reality show drama style pushing where the nurse thought I was a mind reader and he had a small boner on a girl I asked the name of. So yeah, given that incident, I think its safe to say we're as straight as it gets.
3. Your final statement rather points the finger at you. I go to the gym a lot. For 5+ years now, while before I did more non-weight-lifting sports. But the gym is much more for looking at female body parts than men body parts. My gym is kind of like my new FKK, with sauna and lots of wellness facilities, and hot girls. It just lacks some of the ease of getting a room on the spot. If your attention at gyms are all about male body parts, well then. That is all on you.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2540704]P.S. The foot tattoo comment wasn't about you.[/QUOTE]Yeah I know, the tattoo of the name of the girl is on my dick! Actually there was enough room for 5 names. Big letters.
But still, two guys of this board are referring to your willy. And the two dudes seem to have some kind of stalking attitude / creepy obsession in common. Is your dick a weirdo magnet?
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2540760]OK, time for some facts here as BigB's world view seems to always be so distorted.
1. I have never seen the dick of the Nurse myself. However, I am sure that if it had been larger, as in normal size, it would have been hard to have avoid given all the times we mongered together.[/QUOTE]Why? Every time you meet a guy in a club you finish in his pants?
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[QUOTE=Chongmal;2540687]It's ok, we really don't need any more nut jobs in the US so France can keep you. [/QUOTE]How rude of you to decline a gift! The crappy bike made in Taiwan by a NL owned company and built with random mountain bike or touring bike parts is a bonus. You can use it to go to work or to the grocery.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2540784]Why? Every time you meet a guy in a club you finish in his pants?[/QUOTE]So when you call out his homosexual tendencies, he says he's never seen my dong. So he's basically just being a racist. Check.
Apparently as another attempt to insult me, he's calling me a nurse? So he's also a smug asshole who looks down on nurses during a pandemic. Check.
When reality and self awareness escapes someone, why would anyone give credence to their outlandish claims.
Please stop quoting him, it's nicer not seeing that garbage from a garbage human.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2540658]If these EU countries come back and say that AZ is safe to use, will you accept that as the truth?
If they come back and say the vaccine is not safe to use, would you accept that as well?[/QUOTE]Yes, I would. There is enhanced surveillance on vaccines and so far, out of the 17 millions doses of AZ vaccines, there have been 40 cases of blood clots (I. E. 1 in 425,000). Under normal circumstances, blood clots have an annual incidence of 1 in 1000 adults. This is just to put things into perspectives and steer away from big newspapers titles.
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Germany and Sweden also suspend AstraZeneca
Alright, when you ladies are finished discussing each other's dick sizes, perhaps we can return to the topic at hand? LOL!
Opening of any FKKs this summer or fall IMHO looks increasingly unlikely;.
[URL]https://www.dw.com/en/germany-suspends-use-of-astrazeneca-vaccine-along-with-italy-france-spain/a-56878920[/URL]
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-sweden-vaccine/sweden-suspends-use-of-astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine-idUSL8N2L931W[/URL]
Germany was already far behind the US & UK with regards to vaccinating (whether the vaccine is effective and good for you in the long term is an entirely different matter) , but as I predicted, the entire reopening of the economy looks ever more in doubt due to the total incompetence of the German government.
Good luck to jerking off to Pornhub for another year my fellow FKK lovers, and don't forget to thank all the (US and UK) fearmongers and Big Pharma Trolls for destroying another great piece of European freedom!
The next step in artificially prolonging the lockdowns is the introduction of quickie self-tests which now are for sale in German supermarkets, and so of course the number of "infections" will surely rise. Hence, the RKI's president Wieler's claims that 'after Easter we will see infection rates of 350. ' Link (in German) here: [URL]https://www.sat1.de/tv/fruehstuecksfernsehen/video/duestere-rki-prognose-zu-ostern-inzidenzwerte-von-ueber-350-moeglich-clip[/URL] Here is a link in English: [URL]https://www.thelocal.de/20210315/german-coronavirus-cases-will-be-higher-at-easter-than-before-christmas/[/URL].
The German government knows that more testing will increase the so-called Incident Value (number of 'infections' per 100 k over last 7 days) as last year on July 14th 2020, the German health minister, Jens Spahn said that 'more testing inevitably leads to more false positives' which will be counterproductive. Clip (in German) here: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwjpFxAJCIE[/URL].
So what does Germany do? Of course more testing, so more lockdowns will be guaranteed! It seems blinding fanaticism and fascism has once again taken hold of German politicians, and Germany, led by StaSi-Merkel is determined to strangle it's entire economy to death on the Road to Socialism.
How are things in Sweden by the way? Is everybody in Sweden dead already? / sarc.
As you can see below, Sweden scores right in the middle with regards to Covid19 deaths per million, when compared to other Western nations. And all that without massive lockdowns and bankrupting it's entire economy. Could it perhaps be that 'lockdowns and face diapers don't work' and that perhaps Swedes actually pay attention to their health and nutrition when compared to the grossly obese Americans and Brits?
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed[/URL]+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=LUX FRA DEU NLD SWE ITA ESP GBR USA.
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Once in Sharks I saw a guy washing his dick in the same sink that I brush my teeth. I called him out and he looked at me as if I were a weirdo. I suppose that that is the downside of going to FKKs. There's an advantage and disadvantage in anything.
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This thread should have explained pretty clearly to you, me and other semi-normal people that some mongers are not just a little weird.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2540989]Once in Sharks I saw a guy washing his dick in the same sink that I brush my teeth. I called him out and he looked at me as if I were a weirdo. I suppose that that is the downside of going to FKKs. There's an advantage and disadvantage in anything.[/QUOTE]
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Facts. Simple hard facts.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2540942]Yes, I would. There is enhanced surveillance on vaccines and so far, out of the 17 millions doses of AZ vaccines, there have been 40 cases of blood clots (I. E. 1 in 425,000). Under normal circumstances, blood clots have an annual incidence of 1 in 1000 adults. This is just to put things into perspectives and steer away from big newspapers titles.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2540961]As you can see below, Sweden scores right in the middle with regards to Covid19 deaths per million, when compared to other Western nations. And all that without massive lockdowns and bankrupting it's entire economy. Could it perhaps be that 'lockdowns and face diapers don't work' and that perhaps Swedes actually pay attention to their health and nutrition when compared to the grossly obese Americans and Brits.[/QUOTE]I think most doctors and scientists have done a pretty crappy job. As the lack of knowledge is immense in so many fields! But as I have alluded to before, most are also brainwashed.
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The nurse is butthurt. But its all on him actually. Just a very close minded person not able to analyze himself very well.
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HammerTime is right though. A main goal of the entire thing is a diversion towards socialism. Because a part of this is the inevitable introduction of basic income for everyone as a means of life supporting the global economy. But that is not a bad thing. It will mean the global automation potential will go up. So the hours people need to work per month or year will also go down. Meaning more spare time to fuck around for everyone.
I am actually not really that much of an enemy of the big brother society if the technology is used well (to automate). But that totally hinges on how liberal the rest of the society manages to become. And And the biggest problem we have is religion and its take on sex. As well as prostitution and the link it has to poverty. It seems as if a society is getting rid of false norms and poverty on all levels, girls will again start having sex of cash as that way of income is something many rich escorts feel empowering on a feminist level. It is quite high up on Maslows pyramid of needs. But the masses might not have noticed this yet. Still, there is an effort being made in order to shift the society that way through for example reality tv. And taking the Spanish flu as an example, once it is over, people will be far more loose in terms of sex. The fear of transmittable diseases from sex will also in time fall due to the increased awareness of these things now with covid, and through the AI revolution we are seeing, paid doctors may soon finally become real doctors. With the help of communication science and programmers.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2540942]Yes, I would. There is enhanced surveillance on vaccines and so far, out of the 17 millions doses of AZ vaccines, there have been 40 cases of blood clots (I. E. 1 in 425,000). Under normal circumstances, blood clots have an annual incidence of 1 in 1000 adults. This is just to put things into perspectives and steer away from big newspapers titles.[/QUOTE]Same. My point was that HT will say in one case "see even EMA says it's not safe" and in the other case he will say "oh, you can't trust those EMA bureaucrats".
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2540989]Once in Sharks I saw a guy washing his dick in the same sink that I brush my teeth. I called him out and he looked at me as if I were a weirdo. I suppose that that is the downside of going to FKKs. There's an advantage and disadvantage in anything.[/QUOTE]The sink thing is gross. Yet another reason to never brush your teeth in FKK. I never brush my teeth at FKK, only mouthwash that I bring inside with me. Brushing your teeth is a bad idea, micro abrasions in your gums make you vulnerable to picking up things at FKK that you don't want at home.
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[QUOTE=Clodius1;2541071]The sink thing is gross. Yet another reason to never brush your teeth in FKK. I never brush my teeth at FKK, only mouthwash that I bring inside with me. Brushing your teeth is a bad idea, micro abrasions in your gums make you vulnerable to picking up things at FKK that you don't want at home.[/QUOTE]Since you don't drink the water from the sink, I don't think that there is any risk. When I brush my teeth the water runs from the tap, I'm not going to immerge the toothbrush in the sink.
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While total deaths in Sweden is in middle of the road compared to Western European nations, their death rates are a magnitude (10 x) greater than geographic neighbors Norway and Finland. Furthermore, their total incidence is right near the top compared to Western European nations, a testament to the health of their people when considering relative death to incidence rates.
Scandinavian Peninsula Deaths per million:
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..419&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&country=SWE FIN NOR [/URL]
Western Europe cases per million:
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed&country=GBR~DEU~FRA~NLD~BEL~CHE~NOR~IRL~PRT~SWE~FIN~AUT[/URL]
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2540210]Alternative responses to COVID19?
Should we have done nothing and let the disease run its course? In that scenario, Are we okay with NYC, Wuhan, and Lombardy situations all over the world? Do we let every hospital system in every major city in the world break down as they did in those first hard-hit areas?
Or should we have isolated only the elderly and at-risk population while letting everyone else resume normal activity? As seen with the Winter Holiday surge, even *with* restrictions, people still exposed their at-risk loved ones (leading to the biggest surge, despite lockdowns). So what would be the end game to release the at-risk from their banishment as they still continue to helplessly die off? Would it be, *gasp*, vaccines?
Other solutions?[/QUOTE]To re-emphasize unproductive trivial nature some people's criticism, will keep beating this dead horse:
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2540961]
How are things in Sweden by the way? Is everybody in Sweden dead already? / sarc.
As you can see below, Sweden scores right in the middle with regards to Covid19 deaths per million, when compared to other Western nations. And all that without massive lockdowns and bankrupting it's entire economy. Could it perhaps be that 'lockdowns and face diapers don't work' and that perhaps Swedes actually pay attention to their health and nutrition when compared to the grossly obese Americans and Brits?
https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=LUX FRA DEU NLD SWE ITA ESP GBR USA.[/QUOTE]I suggest you add Norway, Denmark and Finland to the countries of comparison and you'll see that they're not doing so well.
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=LUX FRA BEL DEU NLD SWE NOR DNK FIN ITA ESP GBR USA[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2541018]Facts. Simple hard facts.[/QUOTE]But you know that some serial posters have an alternative definition of facts.
Facts = foundations of their fantasy world.
Call it postulate, axiom, paradigm, what you want. It's like another way of thinking, not based on our old fashioned Cartesian logic.
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[QUOTE=RockyV;2540942]Yes, I would. There is enhanced surveillance on vaccines and so far, out of the 17 millions doses of AZ vaccines, there have been 40 cases of blood clots (I. E. 1 in 425,000). Under normal circumstances, blood clots have an annual incidence of 1 in 1000 adults. This is just to put things into perspectives and steer away from big newspapers titles.[/QUOTE]Addendum, these suspensions are coming at the worst time as it is was a crucial opportunity for Europe to take command of its covid course. What baffles me is that European leaders have real world data right in front of them with over 12 million Brits having already been vaccinated with the AZ vaccinr. The results are quite convincing as the UK has seen an impressive control of their situation despite being the source of the most prevalent variant.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2541080]I suggest you add Norway, Denmark and Finland to the countries of comparison and you'll see that they're not doing so well.
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=LUX FRA BEL DEU NLD SWE NOR DNK FIN ITA ESP GBR USA[/URL][/QUOTE]Lumped Europe together against Sweden and other Scandinavian Peninsula nations to help visualize this point.
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..419&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE FIN NOR Europe[/URL]
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..419&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE FIN NOR Europe[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2540989]Once in Sharks I saw a guy washing his dick in the same sink that I brush my teeth. I called him out and he looked at me as if I were a weirdo. I suppose that that is the downside of going to FKKs. There's an advantage and disadvantage in anything.[/QUOTE]Many do and not only at Sharks, maybe they are afraid of shower, when some take with underwear or socks, poor girls for hygiene when they have to suck.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2540655]Hey,
A (partially) reasonable post.
Definitely people should check with their doctor. I did check with several doctors I know, in Switzerland and other places. All told me to get what I get offered when the time comes. So far in Switzerland it's Pfizer or Moderna.
BTW, do you know which vaccine has which chip? Fauci said in an interview that there is a Fauci chip too, not just a Bill Gates chip.
I seriously doubt that once we are close to herd immunity ID checks will still be done in FKKs. As long as FKKs will check IDs I won't go there. I didn't have enough cash on me once, so I paid with a credit card, so I am no longer worried about the Swiss government.
Some FKKs will disappear, no doubt about it, but it's because they don't have enough reserves to survive being closed for so long. There is nothing wrong with the FKK business model, demand will still be there. Globe will still be around.[/QUOTE]I know few doctors and one for my heart effort exams for my sports, they know me for long time and what I studied, and they always tell they don't make exact science like mathematics, or for a guy like me who makes violent intense efforts, I may have heart attack, but they can't know before, even telling me I have the good fit body to have strong heart, when heart is healthy of course. Doctors discovered and learned a lot under covid, because when their knowledge is mostly based on previous experiences, they had none. Look forward with my best friend, French made Lapierre bicycle except shimano of course, proud French on French material, to be heroe again for Italians on next Summer on top of Zoncolan or Mortirolo, where never met any French nor Swiss there, but Italians. When so many on wonderful road up to Stelvio from Prato, but usually don't meet anyone climbing on Zoncolan nor Mortirolo, only on top but not climber but supporter.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2540805]So when you call out his homosexual tendencies, he says he's never seen my dong. So he's basically just being a racist. Check.
Apparently as another attempt to insult me, he's calling me a nurse? So he's also a smug asshole who looks down on nurses during a pandemic. Check.
When reality and self awareness escapes someone, why would anyone give credence to their outlandish claims.
Please stop quoting him, it's nicer not seeing that garbage from a garbage human.[/QUOTE]At least you can't claim I followed you if you took shower after German Lucifer who didn't excite me, but you should know girls and guys in brothels speak so much, and not only about me even Kate told me I was the guy getting the more jealousy about me, when she got few guys for her business, and when I see who are your forum friends, one being obsessed about me since 2012, I would worry, I much prefer no friends in brothels, but my best friend French made bicycle I prepared for my sport, like I prepare my cars, Audi being a bit crappy for electronic, when number 2 after Porsche in Germany, now with Mercedes and BMW behind.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2541131]Lumped Europe together against Sweden and other Scandinavian Peninsula nations to help visualize this point.
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..419&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE FIN NOR Europe[/URL]
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..419&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE FIN NOR Europe[/URL][/QUOTE]Typical gaslighting and data cherie-picking.
Just compare Sweden with the rest of the world and you see the madness of lockdowns, face diapers and "vaccines."
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2541120]Addendum, these suspensions are coming at the worst time as it is was a crucial opportunity for Europe to take command of its covid course. What baffles me is that European leaders have real world data right in front of them with over 12 million Brits having already been vaccinated with the AZ vaccinr. The results are quite convincing as the UK has seen an impressive control of their situation despite being the source of the most prevalent variant.[/QUOTE]You just don't know Europeans. Out of Brexit, do you think continental Western Europeans trust so much UK, and furthermore after they spread their mutant all over Western Europe. Only your data seem to think for you, when all is in details to perform. Now most of EU, even with lack of vaccine, but suspended AZ even cheap and easy to use, even US prefer to keep AZ they are producing for them.
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Why compare Sweden to Brazil, China, India, etc when it is more appropriate to compare apples vs apples. Sweden to Finland, Norway, the entirety of Europe.
Back to my dead horse question. What do these privileged holders of genius level insight suggest?
[QUOTE]Alternative responses to COVID19?
Should we have done nothing and let the disease run its course? In that scenario, Are we okay with NYC, Wuhan, and Lombardy situations all over the world? Do we let every hospital system in every major city in the world break down as they did in those first hard-hit areas?
Or should we have isolated only the elderly and at-risk population while letting everyone else resume normal activity? As seen with the Winter Holiday surge, even *with* restrictions, people still exposed their at-risk loved ones (leading to the biggest surge, despite lockdowns). So what would be the end game to release the at-risk from their banishment as they still continue to helplessly die off? Would it be, *gasp*, vaccines?
Other solutions?[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2541146]At least you can't claim I followed you if you took shower after German Lucifer who didn't excite me, but you should know girls and guys in brothels speak so much, and not only about me even Kate told me I was the guy getting the more jealousy about me, when she got few guys for her business, and when I see who are your forum friends, one being obsessed about me since 2012, I would worry, I much prefer no friends in brothels, but my best friend French made bicycle I prepared for my sport, like I prepare my cars, Audi being a bit crappy for electronic, when number 2 after Porsche in Germany, now with Mercedes and BMW behind.[/QUOTE]Can we put the self-grandiose diatribes on hold for a bit? Authentically confident people don't feel the need to tell other people that they are great everyday. Repeating it here day in and day out just lets everyone know that you're insecure.
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Sweden vs World vs Europe vs Scandinavian Peninsula
Put Sweden against the world, it fails.
Against Europe. Fails.
Against Scandinavian Peninsula: Fails.
Deaths:
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..419&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE FIN NOR Europe OWID_WRL [/URL]
Cases:
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..419&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE FIN NOR Europe OWID_WRL[/URL]
*Still better than my USA though. Yay Sweden!
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2541147]Typical gaslighting and data cherie-picking.
Just compare Sweden with the rest of the world and you see the madness of lockdowns, face diapers and "vaccines."[/QUOTE]How to evaluate the effect of the treatment: face diapers and lockdowns?
Easy, you take two similar groups, let's say Swedes and Norvegians, one of the group receives the treatment (face diapers and Stasi-lockdowns), the other one is the control group and receives no treatment.
And, voila, something like ten times more deaths in Sweden!
Of course it's always difficult and subjective to evaluate the degree of similarity of two groups, but two groups close to each other geographically speaking have the strange tendency to often share similar characteristics. You can search deeper if you want with the stats of OECD, eurostat, but honestly I'd like to go to bed.
Let's talk about globalization now, this is an interesting subject.
[URL]https://www.accell-group.com/en[/URL]
There is a nice little industrial group from the Netherlands called Accell, they own some bicycle brands like Raleigh (who was british some time ago) and a brand called LeCaillou (French joke because caillou (rock) means also Pierre (stone), so LeCaillou = LaPierre). Like they've been owning ALL of LeCaillou for a while, since 1996 exactly. Maybe they should change their name to "de steen" (it means 'the stone' in Dutch).
And guess what? It's even written on LeCaillou website! [URL]https://www.lapierrebikes.com/gb-en/1946/[/URL].
As for the manufacturing countries, anyone with a slightest interest in cycling knows that Taiwan and more globally Asia are the producers of maybe 95 % of the frames and parts.
[URL]https://www.bike-advisor.com/where-has-my-bicycle-been-made/[/URL]
And you know what? The guys at LeCaillou have some sense of humor because they used to put a sticker on their frames: "proudly handmade in Taiwan". That sounds pretty clear to me, unless Taiwan is now a french department. LeCaillou frames have a also an history of breaking, especially the full suspended bikes but well, they're cheap! That's the same for stems, handlebars, seatposts. Vast majority made in Taiwan / China.
Basically if you want some bicycle parts made in France, you can buy a steel frame or a titanium frame from a frame builder, A FKC frame, a Time frame but for the rest, Corima wheels (one pair costs the price of two average LeCaillou bikes), Hutchinson tires, maybe the most expensive wheels from Mavic, maybe Look or Time pedals and the big giant US group Sram just bought the Time pedals.
So if you live in the real world with real people, a French made bicycle is something you can forget. In a fantasy world where prostitutes worship you because you put your bike in the back of the car when you go to sex clubs and because you mounted the chain and cassette yourself, it's OK.
I'm sure that the US guys from this board remember Cannondale fondly. Well since some years, maybe ten, Cannondale has been bought by an investment fund, all the nice welders from the Connecticut factory have been sent to unemployment and this was the end of the "Handmade in USA" stickers. Lance Armstrong's Trek? Taiwan / China. Specialized? The same.
It's nice to have a little reality check from time to time.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2541120]Addendum, these suspensions are coming at the worst time as it is was a crucial opportunity for Europe to take command of its covid course. What baffles me is that European leaders have real world data right in front of them with over 12 million Brits having already been vaccinated with the AZ vaccinre[/QUOTE]The problem is that someone told them to read ISG.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2541021]I think most doctors and scientists have done a pretty crappy job. As the lack of knowledge is immense in so many fields! But as I have alluded to before, most are also brainwashed.[/QUOTE]Fauci and the WHO just called you because they need a competent advisor.
Just kidding!
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Doesn't matter if someone are nurses or doctors in title. In knowledge, most doctors are definitely not doctors. Out of 100 doctors maybe 20 of them I would consider a real doctor. There are lots of wannabes who think an education is all they need. I call most wannabes with a graduation certificate out on knowledge.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2541075]Since you don't drink the water from the sink, I don't think that there is any risk. When I brush my teeth the water runs from the tap, I'm not going to immerge the toothbrush in the sink.[/QUOTE]Read point number 3 in the attached article, and you'll understanding the point I wanted to make. Happy mongering!
[URL]https://www.shape.com/lifestyle/sex-and-love/everything-you-should-know-about-oral-stds-probably-dont[/URL]
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The number of side effects, including dangerous side effects from the AZ vaccine is probably far higher than what is being reported.
So far, almost 140 serious side effects have been reported in Norway from the AZ vaccine alone for example out of a total of 1400 side effects. But women are overrepresenting due to males not reporting so easily. So the real numbers are over 1500.
Other countries in the world seems to have a lower reporting rate of side effects according to AZ and health officials. In other words if you do the math, the number of total side effects, and serious ones from the AZ vaccine is like a genocide by itself.
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While the alternative: Pfizer and Moderna is not adviced to give people below the age of 50 due to the infertility risk it poses. So one way or the other we end up with a genocide.
Only quarantines help, unless you go by the Swedish approach, which is risky and takes awhile longer. But right now nobody manages to do either. Sweden chickened out of their strategy, and only a few countries have abiding citizens good enough to do the quarantines. It baffles me how the world bank and IMF hasn't handed out basic income on a larger scale yet. It needs to happen in order to avoid catastrophe. As poorer countries won't be able to uphold the quarantine strategy at the rate this virus spreads.
Also, at the rate this virus mutates now, the J&J and AZ vaccines, and also Sputnik won't be effective by one or two years. The time when everyone is vaccinated. And then you might have a new round of increased number of side effects from the vaccines given people will have twice the dosages.
We might just be fucked.
Maybe world governance is the way to go after all. Most politicians are clueless also, and just say what they are being told to say from medical personnel who are equally clueless.
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Watch this interview, and you will understand how it was all planned:
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdYDL_RK--w&t=0s[/URL]
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I started watching the lectures of this interviewer regarding viruses:
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX3MhWWi6n4[/URL]
8:20.
Basically all humans on the planet get all 8 herpes viruses during the first decade of our lives. So where does all the fear of this being sexually transmittable come from? Another lie imposed to reduce the amount of sex and reproduction in the world? I think so.
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The only reason we don't get symptoms from all the dousins of herpes viruses is because of our immune system. But (not part of that lecture) all vaccines reduces the efficiency of our immune system too.
So the more we vaccinate us, the more ill we get from all the herpes viruses we already have in us.
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The main problem is that the syncytin-1 protein, which shares similar genetic instructions with part of the spike of the new coronavirus. That same protein is an important component of the placenta in mammals. If the vaccine causes the body to make antibodies against syncytin-1, it has been argued, it might also cause the body to attack and reject the protein in the human placenta, making women infertile.
Now as it goes, the protein is not 100% identical. It is just very similar. And according to this virologist professor, all viruses mutates every time it copies itself. So if you give yourself a vaccine, you start the roulette every millisecond for the rest of your life. And if you are lucky and hit green on the roulette, your body will start rejecting the syncytin-1 protein. And the women who takes any of the vaccines will be infertile. I am starting to believe that this is not just a pfizer / moderna problem. But it goes for all the vaccines.
The corona viruses also has one difference from most other viruses: it has RNA in it as opposed to the great majority of viruses containing DNA. What this RNA does to human DNA is also a lottery. And that is most likely where the main risk in terms of side effect lies.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2541147]Typical gaslighting and data cherie-picking.
Just compare Sweden with the rest of the world and you see the madness of lockdowns, face diapers and "vaccines."[/QUOTE]Why is Sweden vaccinating? Didn't they achieve herd immunity already last summer?
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[QUOTE=Clodius1;2541175]Read point number 3 in the attached article, and you'll understanding the point I wanted to make. Happy mongering!
[URL]https://www.shape.com/lifestyle/sex-and-love/everything-you-should-know-about-oral-stds-probably-dont[/URL][/QUOTE]I just read the article and I already knew it but is has nothing to do with the sink.
Yes if you brush your teeth you basically create very little cuts in your mouth. I sometimes bleed a little bit after doing it, especially with an electric toothbrush. But if you don't do it, and if you had gambas, garlic, fish, just before, I'm not really sure the girl will be happy.
Same thing with no condom blowjob actually. This is probably more dangerous for the giver than for the receiver but unprotected oral sex has some degree of risk. And brushing your teeth increases it, but I'll keep on doing it. I just try to do it softly when I do it just before or after oral sex.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2541164]There are lots of wannabes who think an education is all they need. I call most wannabes with a graduation certificate out on knowledge.[/QUOTE]Especially the ones who studied in 'communication' because basically they learned nothing (but the studies were expensive) , except how to sell a fridge to an Eskimo. In France now we see the rise of 'coaches', 'communication counselors'. They try to explain you how to do your job although they clearly have no clue about how the things are working. But they know how to make nice PowerPoints, nice commercials, convincing statements but between the content and the form they clearly choose the form because they can't figure where the content comes from. They can even become successful businessmen or politicians like the inflated orange dude because they're so confident in themselves that they think that repeating something and being convinced of it makes it true. They're still a little jealous of the nerds in high school who were good at math's and science because they couldn't understand anything about algebra, physics, biology but in the end who cares? They make five times more money now!
Now they make.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2541150]You just don't know Europeans. Out of Brexit, do you think continental Western Europeans trust so much UK, and furthermore after they spread their mutant all over Western Europe. Only your data seem to think for you, when all is in details to perform.[/QUOTE]Don't trust UK? Perform? Maybe they should have trusted the data and Europe would have performed better? Sorry that you don't like facts and data; but welcome to the 21st century, deal with it.
UK vs EU Cases since vaccination:
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=319..420&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~European+Union[/URL]
UK, home of dirty variant. Crushing continental Europe.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2541164]Doesn't matter if someone are nurses or doctors in title. In knowledge, most doctors are definitely not doctors. Out of 100 doctors maybe 20 of them I would consider a real doctor. There are lots of wannabes who think an education is all they need. I call most wannabes with a graduation certificate out on knowledge.[/QUOTE]It definitely requires more intellectual capacity and significant more effort to get a medical degree compared to a communications degree. Not exactly high achievers studying communications.
Where I studied the communications department was good for one thing, they had plenty of girls.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2541158]Let's talk about globalization now, this is an interesting subject.
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As for the manufacturing countries, anyone with a slightest interest in cycling knows that Taiwan and more globally Asia are the producers of maybe 95 % of the frames and parts.[/QUOTE]There are only a few factories in China and Taiwan that manufacture carbon fiber frames. Even very large brands like Trek or Specialized contract out frame manufacturing. Giant and Merida have their own frame manufacturing facilities and they make frames for plenty of other brands. Most large brands do their own R&D and define the quality control and that is their selling argument. Carbon layup design comes from the brand, ensuring quality control in the manufacturing processes is done by the brand and manufacturing facility together, all this is not trivial.
Outside Asia, I think Time has frame manufacturing in Morocco. BMC tried to automate frame manufacturing with robots weaving carbon fiber tubes but didn't get very far and they stopped talking about that years ago. Cervelo used to sell a frame fully manufactured in the US, but the frame price was 10 k USD.
A lot of the Italian brands just paint the frame, put a sticker with an Italian flag on one chainstay, another sticker with "Passione" on the other chainstay and job done. Nobody thinks that Cipollini has anything to do with frame design.
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Mérida owns about an half of specialized so they must be their main (or only) producer.
Look has a factory in Tunisia I think but to my knowledge, until recently, time still manufactured their frames in France.
But the brand has been cut in two and sold and I'm not sure the frame making will stay in France. Pedals are moving to Portugal.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2541280]Don't trust UK? Perform? Maybe they should have trusted the data and Europe would have performed better? Sorry that you don't like facts and data; but welcome to the 21st century, deal with it.
UK vs EU Cases since vaccination:
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=319..420&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~European+Union[/URL]
UK, home of dirty variant. Crushing continental Europe.[/QUOTE]Naughty nurse you missed the latest headlines. Now the Breton variant is coming, it comes from the côte de granit rose in Bretagne (France) , it was bred on kouign amann and cider and he's undetected by the PCR tests. Evil Frenchmen! We can't trust them! Soon will come the age of the Normand variant, made from camembert, he will destroy your nose and let a perpetual taste of French cheese on your tongue.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2541239]Why is Sweden vaccinating? Didn't they achieve herd immunity already last summer?[/QUOTE]We have a few Swedish experts on this board but they haven't been seen for a while.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2541222]but(not part of that lecture) all vaccines reduces the efficiency of our immune system too..[/QUOTE]Actually they just do the exact opposite.
[URL]https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/how-do-vaccines-work[/URL]
See the little picture? The vaccine helps your immune system to build the antibodies.
That's why it was not part of that lecture.
Tell me the truth, you're bored at work and you want to have a good fun on the internet right?
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2541213]I started watching the lectures of this interviewer regarding viruses:
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX3MhWWi6n4[/URL]
8:20.
Basically all humans on the planet get all 8 herpes viruses during the first decade of our lives. So where does all the fear of this being sexually transmittable come from? Another lie imposed to reduce the amount of sex and reproduction in the world? I think so.[/QUOTE]That's the condom lobby of course.
There is a Microsoft chip in the latex that will take control of your dick.
I heard it makes you really excited by male nurses genitalia.
Have you seen the other lectures?
[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SEYa0R62nWk[/URL]
This one is great. First sentence: vaccines are our proven best defense against viruses.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2541227]The main problem is that the syncytin-1 protein, which shares similar genetic instructions with part of the spike of the new coronavirus. That same protein is an important component of the placenta in mammals. If the vaccine causes the body to make antibodies against syncytin-1, it has been argued, it might also cause the body to attack and reject the protein in the human placenta, making women infertile.
Now as it goes, the protein is not 100% identical. It is just very similar. And according to this virologist professor, all viruses mutates every time it copies itself. So if you give yourself a vaccine, you start the roulette every millisecond for the rest of your life. And if you are lucky and hit green on the roulette, your body will start rejecting the syncytin-1 protein. And the women who takes any of the vaccines will be infertile. I am starting to believe that this is not just a pfizer / moderna problem. But it goes for all the vaccines.
The corona viruses also has one difference from most other viruses: it has RNA in it as opposed to the great majority of viruses containing DNA. What this RNA does to human DNA is also a lottery. And that is most likely where the main risk in terms of side effect lies.[/QUOTE]The RNA concerns me too. Maybe the J&J old technology is better? Delta airlines will require some sort of shot to reach FKK land across the pond. Other airlines will undoubtedly follow suit.
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Brussels to propose Covid certificate to allow EU-wide travel
[URL]https://www.ft.com/content/ed6e9de4-f48e-4d74-97d1-ee80ab8f1a2f[/URL]
The certificate would be granted to citizens who had either proof of vaccination, a negative Covid-19 test, or proof of recovery from the virus for those who had contracted it previously.
Tourist reliant countries want their tourists.
More directly from the source: [URL]https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_1181[/URL].
Still thinking how to interpret this:
The Commission will build a gateway and support Member States to develop software that authorities can use to verify all certificate signatures across the EU. No personal data of the certificate holders passes through the gateway, or is retained by the verifying Member State.
Versus this:
The certificates will include a limited set of information such as name, date of birth, date of issuance, relevant information about vaccine / test / recovery and a unique identifier of the certificate. This data can be checked only to confirm and verify the authenticity and validity of certificates.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2541227]The main problem is that the syncytin-1 protein, which shares similar genetic instructions with part of the spike of the new coronavirus. That same protein is an important component of the placenta in mammals. If the vaccine causes the body to make antibodies against syncytin-1, it has been argued, it might also cause the body to attack and reject the protein in the human placenta, making women infertile.
Now as it goes, the protein is not 100% identical. It is just very similar. And according to this virologist professor, all viruses mutates every time it copies itself. So if you give yourself a vaccine, you start the roulette every millisecond for the rest of your life. And if you are lucky and hit green on the roulette, your body will start rejecting the syncytin-1 protein. And the women who takes any of the vaccines will be infertile. I am starting to believe that this is not just a pfizer / moderna problem. But it goes for all the vaccines.
The corona viruses also has one difference from most other viruses: it has RNA in it as opposed to the great majority of viruses containing DNA. What this RNA does to human DNA is also a lottery. And that is most likely where the main risk in terms of side effect lies.[/QUOTE]No, there's no "problem" at all. You are parroting long debunked misinformation from ant-vaxxer blogs and websites. In your case you have a very small audience, perhaps ten to fifteen mongers that regularly follow this thread, and that's a good thing.
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-syncytin/fact-check-available-mrna-vaccines-do-not-target-syncytin-1-a-protein-vital-to-successful-pregnancies-idUSKBN2A42S7[/URL]
[URL]https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210112/why-covid-vaccines-are-falsely-linked-to-infertility?fbclid=IwAR3kSjWwhQkDm44bJUksNHUNmIQHA9Qr_vv0ExXEdp_CWpcLw2viBOfoeh8[/URL]
[URL]https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2021/02/want-to-get-pregnant-should-i-avoid-vaccine[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2541156]Can we put the self-grandiose diatribes on hold for a bit? Authentically confident people don't feel the need to tell other people that they are great everyday. Repeating it here day in and day out just lets everyone know that you're insecure.[/QUOTE]Don't worry for me, better you take care of you, don't forget Sharks, I will never be in such pathetic, my brain leads me.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2541298]There are only a few factories in China and Taiwan that manufacture carbon fiber frames. Even very large brands like Trek or Specialized contract out frame manufacturing. Giant and Merida have their own frame manufacturing facilities and they make frames for plenty of other brands. Most large brands do their own R&D and define the quality control and that is their selling argument. Carbon layup design comes from the brand, ensuring quality control in the manufacturing processes is done by the brand and manufacturing facility together, all this is not trivial.
Outside Asia, I think Time has frame manufacturing in Morocco. BMC tried to automate frame manufacturing with robots weaving carbon fiber tubes but didn't get very far and they stopped talking about that years ago. Cervelo used to sell a frame fully manufactured in the US, but the frame price was 10 k USD.
A lot of the Italian brands just paint the frame, put a sticker with an Italian flag on one chainstay, another sticker with "Passione" on the other chainstay and job done. Nobody thinks that Cipollini has anything to do with frame design.[/QUOTE]Look on climbyke profiles of Loze above Meribel, or Mortirolo close to Bormio or Zoncolan close to Austrian border, because there no bullshits, just you are able or not. On first time I arrived in front of the wall Zoncolan, with BMW 200 power xdrive, but it was not able to pass curves other than on 1st gear, sometimes bicycle rear wheel losing grip under pressure on pedals, you don't need carbon there, you need to be able, your bicycle will never climb alone and I don't see many others while I climb, but a bit of knowledge about technique help, I don't think professionals would climb on 39/24 which is better for 8%.
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2541202]While the alternative: Pfizer and Moderna is not adviced to give people below the age of 50 due to the infertility risk it poses. So one way or the other we end up with a genocide.
Only quarantines help, unless you go by the Swedish approach, which is risky and takes awhile longer. But right now nobody manages to do either. Sweden chickened out of their strategy, and only a few countries have abiding citizens good enough to do the quarantines. It baffles me how the world bank and IMF hasn't handed out basic income on a larger scale yet. It needs to happen in order to avoid catastrophe. As poorer countries won't be able to uphold the quarantine strategy at the rate this virus spreads.
Also, at the rate this virus mutates now, the J&J and AZ vaccines, and also Sputnik won't be effective by one or two years. The time when everyone is vaccinated. And then you might have a new round of increased number of side effects from the vaccines given people will have twice the dosages.
We might just be fucked.
Maybe world governance is the way to go after all. Most politicians are clueless also, and just say what they are being told to say from medical personnel who are equally clueless.[/QUOTE]Even older than 50 , but I don't desperate to find a chic WG, to make her cum and to make a baby, fruit of big love forever, when Charlie Chaplin was daddy at 70, no hurry, I still have time, so no vaccine for me to stay powerful.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2541280]Don't trust UK? Perform? Maybe they should have trusted the data and Europe would have performed better? Sorry that you don't like facts and data; but welcome to the 21st century, deal with it.
UK vs EU Cases since vaccination:
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=319..420&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~European+Union[/URL]
UK, home of dirty variant. Crushing continental Europe.[/QUOTE]You should trust me on only 1 point: whole Western continental Europe know about situation under UK mutant, and I promise you: you won't be in German brothels soon.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2541469]Don't worry for me, better you take care of you, don't forget Sharks, I will never be in such pathetic, my brain leads me.[/QUOTE]Don't forget paying GT girls thousands of Euro for no reason.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2541292]It definitely requires more intellectual capacity and significant more effort to get a medical degree compared to a communications degree. Not exactly high achievers studying communications.
Where I studied the communications department was good for one thing, they had plenty of girls.[/QUOTE]You too? Took a couple of Communications classes in college for that very reason. Classes were full of athletes and cute chicks.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2541486]You should trust me on only 1 point: whole Western continental Europe know about situation under UK mutant, and I promise you: you won't be in German brothels soon.[/QUOTE]No disagreement there.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2541380]
Still thinking how to interpret this:
The Commission will build a gateway and support Member States to develop software that authorities can use to verify all certificate signatures across the EU. No personal data of the certificate holders passes through the gateway, or is retained by the verifying Member State.
Versus this:
The certificates will include a limited set of information such as name, date of birth, date of issuance, relevant information about vaccine / test / recovery and a unique identifier of the certificate. This data can be checked only to confirm and verify the authenticity and validity of certificates.[/QUOTE]It sounds like something got lost in translaton from political language. I assume they mean no other personal information.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2541540]Don't forget paying GT girls thousands of Euro for no reason.[/QUOTE]Maybe you should check reliability of data you get from your friends here who are mostly bullshiting specialists, a bit like in China or Russia for data, one French really obsessed since 2012 on another forum, when I never paid any girl at GT and same at LR for higher rate than 100/60 when 1 hour is usually my standard to take my time to enjoy a beauty when I succeed to find one, the most difficult job for me in FKK land, when I so often left GT or LR, sometimes both on same day with full balls. When I discovered gorgeous with heavy natural tits and woman curves Luana. Ro at PHG on March 2013 for 100/60, I was so happy to find her moving to GT on April and she became immediately busy superstar and of course, as a faithful bad guy, I kept on with her, still for 100/60 when she refused 75/30, but you could go for 50/30 or with a GND for 75/60. When I have to drive at least 1000 kms which cost, when difficult for my eyes and mind to find attractive looks, when GND were already at this time for 100/60 at Bab, PHG, Hessen, Saarland, I prefer to let grocery to other French when I see his girls I won t pay for, except one at LR, and yes I much prefer to pay 100/60 for a beauty than 75/60 for a GND, but maybe You paid Lucifer for discount 75/60 after waiting her for hours. All girls don t worth same rate for me, when I won t pay for I think about 90%. You should improve for your data in brothels land of jealousy, lies and bullshits, where many guys can really compete with WGs. No reason? What about pleasure and much higher for my mind than just emptying balls and no addiction when I'm able to control, I was able to stop my best pleasure and even I missed such pleasure but I never returned because her new image was not anymore for me, but I was very happy, as told me Daria, she did care about me for her behavior in lounge when I was there, when she knew I would stop, and maybe she didn't want I stop, even she was busy, with many waiting for her and bigger money than me, when she threw me in face on week end I stopped, she was booked on this week end for more money I ever gave her, but she delayed her booking to make free to start her Friday as always, and even it was our end because magic gone, but I thank her for her great behavior, reason why I drove from so far for her, and she felt valuated when everybody knew. But I preferred to stop and I know it was good choice, not anymore desirable image for me, when my mind leads me, not my tool. I don t need such brothels level friends, I only go to try to find enjoyable beauties and my real experienced data are I found some really pretty for me and I made really enjoyable for my tastes, being a weekly repeating specialist, for more than 5 years with 3, letting girls returning to me after discovery, this is very important test for my mind, not so bad for a bad guy like me according to your friends, but only experiences for me.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2541380][URL]https://www.ft.com/content/ed6e9de4-f48e-4d74-97d1-ee80ab8f1a2f[/URL]
The certificate would be granted to citizens who had either proof of vaccination, a negative Covid-19 test, or proof of recovery from the virus for those who had contracted it previously.
Tourist reliant countries want their tourists.
More directly from the source: [URL]https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_1181[/URL].
Still thinking how to interpret this:
The Commission will build a gateway and support Member States to develop software that authorities can use to verify all certificate signatures across the EU. No personal data of the certificate holders passes through the gateway, or is retained by the verifying Member State.
Versus this:
The certificates will include a limited set of information such as name, date of birth, date of issuance, relevant information about vaccine / test / recovery and a unique identifier of the certificate. This data can be checked only to confirm and verify the authenticity and validity of certificates.[/QUOTE]My interpretation is that the certificate will have name, date of birth, date of issuance, relevant information about vaccine / test / recovery and a unique identifier of the certificate on them, in paper or in an app.
Checking the certificate, that means checking the QR code, should not transmit any personal data. I would expect that data privacy groups will verify that this actually works this way.
Switzerland, Norway, Iceland would use the same certificate.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2541540]Don't forget paying GT girls thousands of Euro for no reason.[/QUOTE]Sorry to interrupt but I think you're making a little mistake.
You're talking about the original dreamed angel, the mother of alls, the Romie from Spain who got somehow erased in the updated version of the self hagiography, Maria something.
That's the problem when you're constantly rewriting your own history, sometimes you skip some chapters. Luckily Internet is here!
Yeah you know, driving 1800 km every week end from 2007 to 2010 for a dinner and maybe some doctor roleplay in the jacuzzi.
And sending her something like 15 000 euros (the price of 5 or 6 really decent bikes by the way, not some Taiwanese crap).
The upselling GT girls there was a reason: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_domination[/URL].
For some guys it's a real turn on!
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2541469]Don't worry for me, better you take care of you, don't forget Sharks, I will never be in such pathetic, my brain leads me.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2541807]Sorry to interrupt but I think you're making a little mistake.
You're talking about the original dreamed angel, the mother of alls, the Romie from Spain who got somehow erased in the updated version of the self hagiography, Maria something.
That's the problem when you're constantly rewriting your own history, sometimes you skip some chapters. Luckily Internet is here!
Yeah you know, driving 1800 km every week end from 2007 to 2010 for a dinner and maybe some doctor roleplay in the jacuzzi.
And sending her something like 15 000 euros (the price of 5 or 6 really decent bikes by the way, not some Taiwanese crap).
The upselling GT girls there was a reason: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_domination[/URL].
For some guys it's a real turn on![/QUOTE]Ah, yeah, if I gave away tens of thousands of euros, I guess I'd also have to drive around in a broke down Audi.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2541254]They're still a little jealous of the nerds in high school who were good at math's and science because they couldn't understand anything about algebra, physics, biology but in the end who cares? [/QUOTE]I got only A's in physics actually. Easy subject even when doing the hard version all 3 years at high school. Math on the other sucked when you needed to spend more than 10 minutes on it as was the case earlier at school (I have also one math subject at uni though, so I don't feel very hit by your attacks here). But the lack of interest comes from a poor schooling system who doesn't manage to get people interested. As opposed to a cool physics teacher who does wicked experiments and brings us on school trips across Europe coupled with fun partying. I think the entire education system needs to change.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2541546]No disagreement there.[/QUOTE]Even though France announced a new month long lockdown some here will ignore, closing their "not addiction" crossing so many borders to find their way to the brothels. Perhaps this person is so healthy to be asymptomatic and are actually the source of the mutants moving around Europe. Does that make them the Dark Angel. Maybe Dr. Xavier?
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[QUOTE=Pistons;2541892] As opposed to a cool physics teacher who does wicked experiments and brings us on school trips across Europe coupled with fun partying.[/QUOTE]I remember my university Physics Prof. He was plucked out of France in the mid 1940's and worked on rocket propulsion and guidance. In the middle of the lectures he would switch to French language. If you interrupted him you expected a serious rant in French. Then he would turn back and finish the lecture in English. The fortunate part was that when he did speak English it was proper English, with a heavy accent.
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[QUOTE=Chongmal;2541918]I remember my university Physics Prof. He was plucked out of France in the mid 1940's and worked on rocket propulsion and guidance. In the middle of the lectures he would switch to French language. If you interrupted him you expected a serious rant in French. Then he would turn back and finish the lecture in English. The fortunate part was that when he did speak English it was proper English, with a heavy accent.[/QUOTE]Let's ask the real question because I call bullshit on the original post. Ask yourself, who takes physics for 3 years in high school? LOL, did dude fail a bunch of times? Hell, I took 2 years and that was because I took college physics my senior of high school. Dude claims to be a communications guru but doesn't even value math, the common language of the universe.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2541147]Typical gaslighting and data cherie-picking.
Just compare Sweden with the rest of the world and you see the madness of lockdowns, face diapers and "vaccines."[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mursenary;2541157]Put Sweden against the world, it fails.
Against Europe. Fails.
Against Scandinavian Peninsula: Fails.
Deaths:
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..419&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE FIN NOR Europe OWID_WRL [/URL]
Cases:
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..419&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE FIN NOR Europe OWID_WRL[/URL]
*Still better than my USA though. Yay Sweden![/QUOTE]LOL, dude got pretty quiet when proven undoubtedly wrong. Not even man enough to admit error. Pffft.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2541280]Don't trust UK? Perform? Maybe they should have trusted the data and Europe would have performed better? Sorry that you don't like facts and data; but welcome to the 21st century, deal with it.
UK vs EU Cases since vaccination:
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=319..420&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~European+Union[/URL]
UK, home of dirty variant. Crushing continental Europe.[/QUOTE]That is an extreme oversimplification. Any scientist would at least take into regard the far stricter regulations England has brought into force due to their mutation variants and high number of cases in January.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2541292]Where I studied the communications department was good for one thing, they had plenty of girls.[/QUOTE]The most important thing in life.
However, at masters level in communication there are millions of jokes around how stupid the bachelor students were. But at masters level is where you actually start learning it. One should definitely include more AI stuff in earlier subjects while also including more programming related to AI. But just because most universities are lagging, only means that. And the area is also a bit new.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2541338]Have you seen the other lectures?
[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SEYa0R62nWk[/URL]
This one is great. First sentence: vaccines are our proven best defense against viruses.[/QUOTE]Not if they make us all infertile.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2541476]Even older than 50 , but I don't desperate to find a chic WG, to make her cum and to make a baby, fruit of big love forever, when Charlie Chaplin was daddy at 70, no hurry, I still have time, so no vaccine for me to stay powerful.[/QUOTE]Women, women. Men cannot be pregnant as far as I know. So. Women.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2541774]Switzerland, Norway, Iceland would use the same certificate.[/QUOTE]As with 99% of all EU policies, we are just vassals of the EU. I wonder what the brits were thinking. Brexit certainly was a fuckfest full of fake news.
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[QUOTE=Chongmal;2541916]Even though France announced a new month long lockdown some here will ignore, closing their "not addiction" crossing so many borders to find their way to the brothels. Perhaps this person is so healthy to be asymptomatic and are actually the source of the mutants moving around Europe. Does that make them the Dark Angel. Maybe Dr. Xavier?[/QUOTE]Speaking of borders, Germany has nine. Last two weeks, Germany has 1509 infections per million, which is still lower than all of its neighbors: (1) Czech 13326, (2) Poland 5451, (3) France 4127, (4) NL 3965, (5) Austria 3728, (6) Luxembourg 3671, (7) Belgium 3269, (8) Switzerland 1854, (9) Denmark 1608. [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/17/europe-at-the-start-of-a-third-wave-of-covid-experts-warn[/URL].
Merkel's goal for full reopening is 35 cases per 100000 in 7-day-period. The only country in Europe with a population of 10 million or more that is even close to that is currently Portugal. [URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1139048/coronavirus-case-rates-in-the-past-7-days-in-europe-by-country/[/URL].
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[QUOTE=Paulie97;2541415]No, there's no "problem" at all. You are parroting long debunked misinformation from ant-vaxxer blogs and websites. In your case you have a very small audience, perhaps ten to fifteen mongers that regularly follow this thread, and that's a good thing.
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-syncytin/fact-check-available-mrna-vaccines-do-not-target-syncytin-1-a-protein-vital-to-successful-pregnancies-idUSKBN2A42S7[/URL]
[URL]https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210112/why-covid-vaccines-are-falsely-linked-to-infertility?fbclid=IwAR3kSjWwhQkDm44bJUksNHUNmIQHA9Qr_vv0ExXEdp_CWpcLw2viBOfoeh8[/URL]
[URL]https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2021/02/want-to-get-pregnant-should-i-avoid-vaccine[/URL][/QUOTE]Are you blind or something? I wrote in my first post about it that I had already read all the million and one articles lieing about it being fake news. Go to the source, and study it. Then you will realize that there is a high risk of it happening. I am 100% certain that they can make it so that in testing it doesn't happen though. But on a large scale, and give the vaccine awhile to sprawl in your bloodstream, and the results might be very different. Time we haven't had yet.
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[QUOTE=Chongmal;2541916]Perhaps this person is so healthy to be asymptomatic and are actually the source of the mutants moving around Europe. Does that make them the Dark Angel. Maybe Dr. Xavier?[/QUOTE]I think you're confused my friend. Xavier is the good guy. You can see it quick, he's bald.
On the other hand the evil Magneto has grey hair and he is ageing. Does that sound familiar?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2541885]Ah, yeah, if I gave away tens of thousands of euros, I guess I'd also have to drive around in a broke down Audi.[/QUOTE]You really think I would give such money, your tens of thousands? When I'm really proud to drive full speed every week end, very relaxing to feel adrenaline, and succeeded to drive more than 500000 kms after much improving engine, Audi is impressed when they see my GPS speed and engine noise moaning fresh like a baby after so many high speed kilometers, and usually cleaning German autobahns, so fun under rain or at night or when snow with super soft sporty tires. And I wish to be more efficient with new one, now with new engine I will also improve to get more power than previous, to reach German cars speed limit, but at least I go to this speed, even quite disappointed by quattro new generation, not sporty enough. Better you keep on with your brothels friends, laughable telling about carbon bikes, but if you saw them for real, they will never climb my famous spots when carbon, electric gears, disc brakes are just useless, when your weight is your enemy compare to 9 kilos bicycle in alloy, but you need more your power and your balls there, and very proud to climb on French brand made in France except for shimano of course, supported like a heroe there and when they know how much I drive to achieve my passion. I wonder if electric carbon bicycle for your friends? Funny when we try to follow electric bicycles, they have to go slowly because they would not reach top, even difficult part of Zoncolan is 7 kms, but with 2 kilometers steeper than 19%, so you need watts, from your heart, lungs, legs and balls. There motorbikes can't stop in steep, but bicycles with from knowledge technique are kings on land of sporty, versus your friends in land of bullshits, but I would laugh to see them there, when I climb topless. When unfortunately no ski again on this Winter, even Xtreme Verbier on becs des Rosses to watch for 25th year starting on Monday 22, but I look forward returning with my allow French made best friend, to climb again most famous spots for my great Summer, maybe starting with Summer ski on Zermatt Klein Matterhorn 3892 meters high, if I can reach from Breuil Cervinia. It, to make oxygen and adrenaline slaloming through crevaces.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2541927]Let's ask the real question because I call bullshit on the original post. Ask yourself, who takes physics for 3 years in high school? LOL, did dude fail a bunch of times? Hell, I took 2 years and that was because I took college physics my senior of high school. Dude claims to be a communications guru but doesn't even value math, the common language of the universe.[/QUOTE]There are countries where they do physics every year from 6th to 12th grade, especially if it's a hard science oriented school.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2542073] ... laughable telling about carbon bikes, but if you saw them for real, they will never climb my famous spots when carbon, electric gears, disc brakes are just useless, when your weight is your enemy compare to 9 kilos bicycle in alloy, but you need more your power and your balls there, and very proud to climb on French brand made in France except for shimano of course, supported like a heroe there ...[/QUOTE]You have a lot to learn if you never used a road bike with disk brakes, they are orders of magnitude better on long descents or twisty descents or in the rain. The 300 g weight difference is irrelevant and you can more than make it up if you have a quality bike instead of the "French" brand. My last bike came at 6. 7 kg, with disk brakes and Di2 without any special tuning parts.
And dude, topless on a road bike it's only you and Cipollini when he posts on instagram, that is just bad taste.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2541928]LOL, dude got pretty quiet when proven undoubtedly wrong. Not even man enough to admit error. Pffft.[/QUOTE]Actually not. In typical gaslighting fashion, you decided to compare Sweden to Norway and Denmark, while in my original post I compared Sweden to heavy lockdown countries like the UK, Italy and France. Again, proof that lockdowns do not work.
[QUOTE=Pistons;2541955]That is an extreme oversimplification. Any scientist would at least take into regard the far stricter regulations England has brought into force due to their mutation variants and high number of cases in January.[/QUOTE]Exactly, but oversimplification is a typical propaganda tool, which is his job.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2541973]Merkel's goal for full reopening is 35 cases per 100000 in 7-day-period. The only country in Europe with a population of 10 million or more that is even close to that is currently Portugal. [URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1139048/coronavirus-case-rates-in-the-past-7-days-in-europe-by-country/[/URL].[/QUOTE]"Test and thou will find.
It would make much more sense if the Incidence Value was a (fixed) percentage of the (variable) number of people tested, but the engineers, doctors and scientists in Germany aren't that clever.
The Incident Value (Inzidenzwert) is the number of 'positives' per 100 k inhabitants ("Einwohner," see link below) and NOT per 100 k tests. So more testing will lead to more 'positives,' which will lead to a higher Inzidenzwert, and which will lead to a never ending lockdown. Like this the magical threshold of 35 'positives' per 100 k inhabitants during the last 7 days for reducing the lockdowns will never be reached.
[QUOTE]...die Zahl der Neuinfektionen pro 100.000 Einwohner in den letzten sieben Tagen...[/QUOTE][URL]https://lua.rlp.de/de/presse/detail/news/News/detail/corona-hinweise-zur-berechnung-der-7-tage-inzidenz/[/URL]
The stupidity and the total lack of 'science,' is mindblowing, and that's why there will most probably NOT be any FKK openings in 2021, despite of Mursenary's 'science,' lies and gaslighting. Don't forget to update your "time capsule" for a June 1st. August 1st opening of FKK clubs Mursenary!
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2542138]There are countries where they do physics every year from 6th to 12th grade, especially if it's a hard science oriented school.[/QUOTE]Which countries? And what would they teach once they've covered all of kinematics, electricity and magnetism, and then quantum. Or are we including engineering topic such as statics and dynamics, fluid dynamics, etc physics? And if so, those countries are teaching upper level university classes in high school. Or are they just slowing down a normal one year course and spreading it over 6 years?
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2542141]They have done poorly so far, but they lead in vaccination rates.[/QUOTE]Because you still believe that the only solution will be the vaccine, let us check what the coming weeks and months will be in Israel to really conclude on the real efficiency of the mass vaccination.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2542150]You have a lot to learn if you never used a road bike with disk brakes, they are orders of magnitude better on long descents or twisty descents or in the rain. The 300 g weight difference is irrelevant and you can more than make it up if you have a quality bike instead of the "French" brand. My last bike came at 6. 7 kg, with disk brakes and Di2 without any special tuning parts.
And dude, topless on a road bike it's only you and Cipollini when he posts on instagram, that is just bad taste.[/QUOTE]You mean the 'French' brand fully owned by a Dutch company which buys frames from an Asian supplier?
Yeah disc brakes are great, my Maguras are mighty on my MTB (when they don't leak), my old trusty Avid are not so bad either and I can't wait to get my hands on a new disc brake equipped road bike. Of course if you don't ride a lot or if you're a slow descender, rim brakes are fine.
6, 7 kg? You must have super light wheels!
But 9 kg what's that?
My alloy Giant tcr from 1999 was already lighter than that back in the days!
9 kg, it must be some kind touring bike or even worse, an entry level mountain bike with slick tires!
Total bad taste would be a flat bar, flat pedals with Adidas trainer, a cotton t-shirt and some running shorts!
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2542173]Because you still believe that the only solution will be the vaccine, let us check what the coming weeks and months will be in Israel to really conclude on the real efficiency of the mass vaccination.[/QUOTE]Sure, what is the alternative solution from your point of view?
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2542153]Actually not. In typical gaslighting fashion, you decided to compare Sweden to Norway and Denmark, while in my original post I compared Sweden to heavy lockdown countries like the UK, Italy and France. Again, proof that lockdowns do not work.
Exactly, but oversimplification is a typical propaganda tool, which is his job.
The stupidity and the total lack of 'science,' is mindblowing, and that's why there will most probably NOT be any FKK openings in 2021, despite of Mursenary's 'science,' lies and gaslighting. Don't forget to update your "time capsule" for a June 1st. August 1st opening of FKK clubs Mursenary![/QUOTE]Cool, added France, UK, and Italy. Sweden still fails.
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..419&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE~FIN~NOR~Europe~OWID_WRL~GBR~ITA~FRA[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Canary;2542168]It's irrelevant as UK Citizens are not allowed to leave the country anyway, whether to Germany or anywhere in the world.
Besides now that things are vastly improving in the UK they don't want to import more virus too.[/QUOTE]I like UK people and Scottish and Irish, but they made a really bad after brexit killer gift to Western continental Europe. Germany, Spain and Italy forbid Brits, to protect versus mutant, but France still allow them through tunnel.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2542150]You have a lot to learn if you never used a road bike with disk brakes, they are orders of magnitude better on long descents or twisty descents or in the rain. The 300 g weight difference is irrelevant and you can more than make it up if you have a quality bike instead of the "French" brand. My last bike came at 6. 7 kg, with disk brakes and Di2 without any special tuning parts.
And dude, topless on a road bike it's only you and Cipollini when he posts on instagram, that is just bad taste.[/QUOTE]I didn't write disk brakes are not more efficient, but useless for my climbings. With your 6,7 kgs bicycle maybe with electric gears, how many time did you climb Swiss side of Gran San Bernardino, or Furkapass or Umbrail, or same level, when they are easy for me on my 9 kgs alloy bicycle without disk nor electric gears, when my French bicycle reached at least 5 times top of much steeper Zoncolan, even more up to top of much steeper Mortirolo and discovered Col de Loze with 24% steep and a real wall on top on last Summer. So good to climb topless under sun, when I'm not paid by Jumbo nor Bora, but just for my passion, moving flesh inside of me, with sometimes around 5 degrees on top when you highered your body temperature under effort, then You really clean your lungs at 2500 meters high and can fuck covid. I promise You if I give my bike to Davide Formolo I met and You give your expensive bike to Peter Sagan, I know who will be first on top of Zoncolan or Mortirolo or Loze, when the guy is much more important than the bike and we can try when you want. 2 kilos difference may be what I will lose for water on 2 hours climbing, when I m quite dry fit with the look for climbing.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2542159]Which countries? And what would they teach once they've covered all of kinematics, electricity and magnetism, and then quantum. Or are we including engineering topic such as statics and dynamics, fluid dynamics, etc physics? And if so, those countries are teaching upper level university classes in high school. Or are they just slowing down a normal one year course and spreading it over 6 years?[/QUOTE]At my old time, considered best at school in France were those who were good at maths, and those who were really good went to Louis LE Grand, Saint Louis for me, then engineer high level schools, not as good went to business schools, lower level to universities or medical and I never understood this because for me more than 7 years for medical is more difficult than 5 years for the best engineer cursus, when I met many inefficient high level schools engineers, when from my experiences French doctors make good job, even not exact science like mathematics and I lost too many beloved around me.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2542173]Because you still believe that the only solution will be the vaccine, let us check what the coming weeks and months will be in Israel to really conclude on the real efficiency of the mass vaccination.[/QUOTE]Let's see also in California when they just reopened after 1 year. Wish them the best of course. In Western EU, doctors say even vaccined but still need mask not to spread, and vaccine is not for ever. I'm afraid 2021 may be worst than 2020, with more and more mutants.
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Oh wait, he chose to select using deaths and heavy lock downs.
Well, lets look at Sweden versus the most strict lockdown nations.
[URL] https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=31..419&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE~ERI~LBN~MUS~GRC~VEN~TLS[/URL]
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-stringency-index?tab=table[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2542159]Which countries? And what would they teach once they've covered all of kinematics, electricity and magnetism, and then quantum. Or are we including engineering topic such as statics and dynamics, fluid dynamics, etc physics? And if so, those countries are teaching upper level university classes in high school. Or are they just slowing down a normal one year course and spreading it over 6 years?[/QUOTE]For example physics curriculum Gymnasium in Bayern 7th to 12th grade:
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2542173]Because you still believe that the only solution will be the vaccine, let us check what the coming weeks and months will be in Israel to really conclude on the real efficiency of the mass vaccination.[/QUOTE]Yes, good strategy, I bet that in about 70-75 years most people now living in Israel will be dead!
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2542153]Actually not. In typical gaslighting fashion, you decided to compare Sweden to Norway and Denmark, while in my original post I compared Sweden to heavy lockdown countries like the UK, Italy and France. Again, proof that lockdowns do not work.[/QUOTE]Norway, Denmark, Finland: lockdown.
Sweden: no lockdown.
OUTCOME: 10 times more deaths than in Norway, 9 times more deaths than in Finland, 3, 5 times more deaths than in Denmark.
Your conclusion: lockdowns don't work.
Strange logic at work.
Yes, lockdowns don't work if you want to exterminate the population.
Sweden is on par with Brazil. You can only hope that Brazil is underestimating its deaths. As Bolsonazi said: "we're not a country of faggots".
They did better than Switzerland. For about a month.
They did better than Ireland. For something like a week in April 2020.
What a great model!
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2542153]It would make much more sense if the Incidence Value was a (fixed) percentage of the (variable) number of people tested, but the engineers, doctors and scientists in Germany aren't that clever.
The Incident Value (Inzidenzwert) is the number of 'positives' per 100 k inhabitants ("Einwohner," see link below) and NOT per 100 k tests. So more testing will lead to more 'positives,' which will lead to a higher Inzidenzwert, and which will lead to a never ending lockdown. Like this the magical threshold of 35 'positives' per 100 k inhabitants during the last 7 days for reducing the lockdowns will never be reached.[/QUOTE]This time I agree with you, but you could also say that the more you test, the closer you get to the real Incident Value. The only way to approximate without bias would be to make random tests, but I don't think the subjects will agree.
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Entirely agree. BTW: the harsher the lockdowns the better they work. See New Zealand, Australia, and many parts of Asiapac, e. G. China, S Korea. Did you see the final of the americas cup? Wow. 10's of thousands of people raving in the harbour with few having masks on.
The only problem is: FKK sucks in the far east (incl OZ).
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2542265]Norway, Denmark, Finland: lockdown.
Sweden: no lockdown.
OUTCOME: 10 times deaths than in Norway, 9 times deaths than in Finland, 3, 5 times deaths than in Denmark.
Your conclusion: lockdowns don't work.
Strange logic at work.
Yes, lockdowns don't work if you want to exterminate the population.
Sweden is on par with Brazil. You can only hope that Brazil is underestimating its deaths. As Bolsonazi said: "we're not a country of faggots".
They did better than Switzerland. For about a month.
They did better than Ireland. For something like a week in April 2020.
What a great model![/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2542218]For example physics curriculum Gymnasium in Bayern 7th to 12th grade:
[URL]https://t3lbbwn7llli6bzhyacucah7ze--www-gym8-lehrplan-bayern-de.translate.goog/contentserv/3.1.neu/g8.de/id_26436.html[/URL]
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[URL]http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.isb-gym8-lehrplan.de%2Fcontentserv%2F3.1.neu%2Fg8.de%2Findex.php%3FStoryID%3D27147[/URL][/QUOTE]Browsed that curriculum. I'm impressed that children in Grade 7 are learning physics. That's amazing!
Further evaluation of the curriculum appears that they are taught bits and pieces every year rather than an intensive course condensed into a year. That actually seems like a better way to actually slowly learn and digest the material. That being said, the early years must be a very survey type course as the program does not introduce quadratic equations until later. Regardless, the idea of school age children learning even the basic concepts of physics makes me happy.
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In which country do they report this supposedly much smarter number??
P.S.: I am ok if you trash German politicians. But if you say that your nations engineers, doctors and scientists are much better than the Germans, it is easy to guess where you come from. (the one nation that is constantly calling to be blessed by god, right?
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2542153]
It would make sense if the Incidence Value was a (fixed) percentage of the (variable) number of people tested, but the engineers, doctors and scientists in Germany aren't that clever.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2542210]At my old time, considered best at school in France were those who were good at maths, and those who were really good went to Louis LE Grand, Saint Louis for me, then engineer high level schools, not as good went to business schools, lower level to universities or medical and I never understood this because for me more than 7 years for medical is more difficult than 5 years for the best engineer cursus, when I met many inefficient high level schools engineers, when from my experiences French doctors make good job, even not exact science like mathematics and I lost too many beloved around me.[/QUOTE]Good think my undergraduate education was at an engineering school. In the US when medical salaries are higher than the rest of the world, medical education is much more competitive and you do not enter formal medical education until you complete an undergraduate degree. The European system is more efficient as you do not need the level of education that the US requires to practice medicine. At the same time, perhaps that leads to medical personnel being selected from a less talented pool.
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What I find amusing is that when he specifically says to compare Sweden to the rest of the world, and then given the data he specifically asked for, he suggests that another man is psychologically manipulating him and just moves the goal posts and cherry picks UK and Italy specifically. I wonder why he specifically only wants to include nations who suffered a bulk of casualties before implementing lock downs? Perhaps also to use oversimplified data to make his case while ignoring data that rebukes his assertions.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2542265]Norway, Denmark, Finland: lockdown.
Sweden: no lockdown.
OUTCOME: 10 times more deaths than in Norway, 9 times more deaths than in Finland, 3, 5 times more deaths than in Denmark.
Your conclusion: lockdowns don't work.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=HammerTime96;2541147]Typical gaslighting and data cherie-picking.
Just compare Sweden with the rest of the world and you see the madness of lockdowns, face diapers and "vaccines."[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mursenary;2541157]Put Sweden against the world, it fails.
Against Europe. Fails.
Against Scandinavian Peninsula: Fails.
Deaths:
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..419&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE FIN NOR Europe OWID_WRL [/URL].[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2542198]when I m quite dry fit with the look for climbing.[/QUOTE]I understand, so you mean tiny little guy with the upper body strength of a 10 year old.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2542198]then You really clean your lungs at 2500 meters high and can fuck covid ...[/QUOTE]If only you would have told Sagan this, then he wouldn't have caught covid, so now he has no chance for Milan. San Remo. He is clearly not as fit as you.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2542198]when my French bicycle reached at least 5 times top of much steeper Zoncolan, even more up to top of much steeper Mortirolo and discovered Col de Loze with 24% steep and a real wall on top on last Summer.[/QUOTE]Sure, publish your Strava, then I'll believe you. The thing is, every single time you say something that can be verified, you were proven wrong.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2542191]I like UK people and Scottish and Irish, but they made a really bad after brexit killer gift to Western continental Europe. Germany, Spain and Italy forbid Brits, to protect versus mutant, but France still allow them through tunnel.[/QUOTE]The UK people didn't do the mutation, it just happened to happen there.
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2542279]Entirely agree. BTW: the harsher the lockdowns the better they work. See New Zealand, Australia, and many parts of Asiapac, e. G. China, S Korea. Did you see the final of the americas cup? .[/QUOTE]Unfortunately the harsher the lockdowns the better they destroy the economy also. And they work better if the population has some discipline, with some good social welfare, and if they're used early and in short bursts.
And in the case of new Zealand and Australia living, they're islands so that can help.
Well UK is an island too but it's ruled by a clown and I guess more travelers come and go from the continent. And the density is not the same.
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2542284]In which country do they report this supposedly much smarter number??
P.S.: I am ok if you trash German politicians. But if you say that your nations engineers, doctors and scientists are much better than the Germans, it is easy to guess where you come from. (the one nation that is constantly calling to be blessed by god, right?[/QUOTE]As a claimed addicted by those who can t go as often as me, but I don t blame Germany who try their best to protect their citizens, when too many deaths under second wave, when lack of vaccine, when AZ will only be given to between 55 and 75, Angela even being ready to buy sputnik Vladimir as soon EU will allow it, when Hungary didn't wait for EU allowance to buy, reminding of the past. With elections for after Angela, when she fell on last week end elections, under covid and deaths, not sure brothels are the best point to be elected. For those who are in hurry, some clubs are open in Switzerland out of ZH. I was quite close 1 week ago and I used to go when I went there as soon I finished, when less than 3 hours driving to go and could test pushing to Lörrach. De, but even had a pretty target seen at Zeus to discover at Cleo. Be, but I preferred to return home to watch ski. After watching ski I could watch later when they replay on Eurosport, I thought: what happen, just not in the mood when I miss so much ski, won't be again for second Winter, will have to wait maybe for Summer ski, if can reach Klein Matterhorn from Breuil Italy.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2542153]
The Incident Value (Inzidenzwert) is the number of 'positives' per 100 k inhabitants ("Einwohner," see link below) and NOT per 100 k tests. So more testing will lead to more 'positives,' [/QUOTE]Exactly what the Swedish authorities understood in March last year. So they discouraged testing.
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2542284]In which country do they report this supposedly much smarter number??
P.S.: I am ok if you trash German politicians. But if you say that your nations engineers, doctors and scientists are much better than the Germans, it is easy to guess where you come from. (the one nation that is constantly calling to be blessed by god, right?[/QUOTE]Then explain me the 'logic' behind the Inzidenzwert, and why this is not a percentage of the number of tests, but instead a fixed number of 'positive cases' per 100000 inhabitants?
More tests = more 'cases,' and yet the Inzidenzwert of 35 remains fixed. This is complete bullshit and this will never lead to lifting lockdowns! (or opening FKKs for that matter).
My statement about German doctors, engineers and scientists was sarcastic, because how come that nobody in Germany seems to notice this? There seems to be NOT A SINGLE scientist in the German government who can say: "wait a minute, a fixed Inzidenzwert + an increasing number of tests is bullshit. " Are they all brainwashed and part of a new cult again?
Reality is unfortunately, that Germany (Merkel + her sock puppet Ursula von der Leyen) are controlling the EU, so many other nations look at Germany and scratch their heads wondering why;.
*) they can't even count.
*) they can't even organise a vaccination campaign.
*) they can't make a reopening plan.
*) how corrupt politicians have been able to fill their pockets with 'masks-deals'.
Under Merkel, Germany has fallen from a leading 1st world nation to a at best a 2nd word banana republic, and I'm not even talking about the potholes in the streets and the crumbling digital infrastructure.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2542183]Sure, what is the alternative solution from your point of view?[/QUOTE]Most people who contract Covid19 only experience light symptoms or even no symptoms at all.
The WHO has concluded that only 0,23% of Covid19 infections result in death, the other 99,67% recover just fine.
[URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf[/URL] (page 7).
It's only in your extremely limited (Big Pharma inspired) worldview that the choice seems to be between certain death and a vaccine.
That's why fearmongers and gaslighters like Mursenary are busy trolling this (and other?) forums: promote fear and promote the vaccine.
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The UK Government has also made some scandalous decisions particularly early on resulting in huge deaths however they are finally listening properly to their Health experts & scientists and finally (currently) making huge positive steps.
Nobody is able to predict the future of this pandemy, I am not so sure the UK government made the right decision only the future will tell us, 1 year back so many on this forum were saying I am crazy pessimistic but the today reality is far above what I was expecting. We have to see what will happen with the new coming variants and how the vaccine will be efficient.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2542448]Most people who contract Covid19 only experience light symptoms or even no symptoms at all.
The WHO has concluded that only 0,23% of Covid19 infections result in death, the other 99,67% recover just fine.
[URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf[/URL] (page 7).
It's only in your extremely limited (Big Pharma inspired) worldview that the choice seems to be between certain death and a vaccine.
That's why fearmongers and gaslighters like Mursenary are busy trolling this (and other?) forums: promote fear and promote the vaccine.[/QUOTE]If now we believe WHO I am afraid we are going to face strong nightmares. The situation is just terrible in many countries in Europe, we all know that 50% of the dead are obese and the most of the other 50% have very limited life expectancy (less than 1 year), I can also go more in details about ethnicity, social class. But all this is just unacceptable for a waste majority of people, milked with twitter, Facebook, CNN.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2542448]Most people who contract Covid19 only experience light symptoms or even no symptoms at all.
The WHO has concluded that only 0,23% of Covid19 infections result in death, the other 99,67% recover just fine.
[URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf[/URL] (page 7).
It's only in your extremely limited (Big Pharma inspired) worldview that the choice seems to be between certain death and a vaccine.
That's why fearmongers and gaslighters like Mursenary are busy trolling this (and other?) forums: promote fear and promote the vaccine.[/QUOTE]Just a little problem, if the virus gets totally out of control (well actually he's not really controlled right now), the icu will be saturated, and that means certain death (or very likely) for the poor guys who will need a ventilator but who arrive too late. And I think that the mortality rate will skyrocket.
You want to be the guy at the entrance of the hospital who send families back home saying 'don't worry he'll just suffocate, no splatter on the wall' or who sort the patients arriving, like 'oh grandpa has lived long enough, it's time to make room for the young ones' or 'you should have eaten less burgers fatty, now it's time to go feed the worms'? Be my guest.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2542448]Most people who contract Covid19 only experience light symptoms or even no symptoms at all.
The WHO has concluded that only 0,23% of Covid19 infections result in death, the other 99,67% recover just fine.
[URL]https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf[/URL] (page 7).
It's only in your extremely limited (Big Pharma inspired) worldview that the choice seems to be between certain death and a vaccine.
That's why fearmongers and gaslighters like Mursenary are busy trolling this (and other?) forums: promote fear and promote the vaccine.[/QUOTE]You still didn't say what the alternative is, unless the alternative you propose is open it all up and who cares if the old and the sick die.
More that 550 000 deaths in the US in one year. If there would be no vaccine, can you calculate how many more would die until herd immunity is reached?
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[QUOTE=MrHo;2542332]The Cane pointed out about this almost a year ago about vaccines passport and man! I am someone who do not want to take vaccines, but now I may have to because of this stupid vaccine passport! I wonder how that works though because it will discriminate many nations that are not so developed![/QUOTE]It's role your sleeve up and get vaccinated, and download and install the passport app for proof, or stay home and no tute pussy and ass for you! Now, you know what The Cane is going to do hahaha!
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2542448]It's only in your extremely limited (Big Pharma inspired) worldview that the choice seems to be between certain death and a vaccine.
That's why fearmongers and gaslighters like Mursenary are busy trolling this (and other?) forums: promote fear and promote the vaccine.[/QUOTE]You should try living in reality, it is so much easier.
Regardless of what you write in this forum, the reality is that FKKs will only open when governments will consider that enough people are vaccinated.
The less people get vaccines, the longer the FKKs stay closed. You must be a religious or moralist fanatic who wants to keep FKKs closed forever.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2542335]The UK people didn't do the mutation, it just happened to happen there.[/QUOTE]Of course that's totally correct. The virus mutates irrespective of which Country it is in.
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2542446]More tests = more 'cases,'[/QUOTE]If CV19 is truly going away, increasing tests should result in a lower daily positive rate. Germany is back at where it was in late-October: [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/positive-rate-daily-smoothed?tab=chart&country=DEU~GBR[/URL].
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2542335]The UK people didn't do the mutation, it just happened to happen there.[/QUOTE]I don't think anybody made any mutation, just from location where started, but UK spread a lot, making trip, making clusters in some ski resorts, when they knew about, and killing Western continental Europe where they travelled even knowing. When their mutant spread and kill 60% more, I wonder how many deaths from UK mutant, when we know what happened in Portugal, and now in Italy or France where more than 50% new cases are mutant, mostly UK, Germany and Spain preferring to protect versus UK, must be a reason when not helping business.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2542269]This time I agree with you, but you could also say that the more you test, the closer you get to the real Incident Value. The only way to approximate without bias would be to make random tests, but I don't think the subjects will agree.[/QUOTE]Is that approach the right approach? Incidence thresholds based on 100 K tests rather than 100 K inhabitants? There is a selective bias for this approach, favoring people who are symptomatic enough to feel the need to take a test or seek medical care in the first place. Basing policy based on percent positive of all tests would naturally give less importance to a major source of transmission, asymptomatic carriers and mild cases, as they will likely never even take the test and their role in transmission to the vulnerable would go unaccounted.
Yes, testing more would produce higher incidence rates with a set population size; but as you state, it will be a more accurate value.
Where you stand on this matter is likely determined by your motivating interest. Are you interested in obtaining real incidence rates for the sake of public health policy or is your goal to get to a target incidence rate that is less reflective of reality but would make it easier for you to get to a brothel.
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2542330]If only you would have told Sagan this, then he wouldn't have caught covid, so now he has no chance for Milan. San Remo. He is clearly not as fit as you.[/QUOTE]For sure Peter Sagan is not as fit as me and not same dietetics also, he should stop to smoke or drink, and I'm sure he doesn't like climbing like me. I proposed you already few times for Gran San Bernardino, you take your light carbon, I take my crappy child bicycle with roulettes little wheels and let s go just for fun to open and clean lungs breathing fresh air, ask your doctor if this is not efficient versus covid when I remember how many WGs I kissed and fucked since covid, I will drive from Aosta, letting car on top. If bald fat bullshiting French want we climb Galibier from Valloire, or with telegraphe before, let s go also, I look forward and for my Summer. I never saw any carbon climbing without a guy sweating on and Sagan doesn't like this, he does only for green suit and money, when I enjoy my passion. He is a puncher, not a climber, too heavy, not fit enough.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2542285]Good think my undergraduate education was at an engineering school. In the US when medical salaries are higher than the rest of the world, medical education is much more competitive and you do not enter formal medical education until you complete an undergraduate degree. The European system is more efficient as you do not need the level of education that the US requires to practice medicine. At the same time, perhaps that leads to medical personnel being selected from a less talented pool.[/QUOTE]Not for students selection in 80's, but for me doctors are higher level than engineers, even not exact science, even I heard too many times: we can't do more, even I cried too often, when I learned from my studies: each problem have at least one solution, for basic for mathematics, but when we mistake as engineer, we can break and do again, not about life.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2542451]Before speaking about vaccine passport, I think first we have to evaluate the efficiency of the different vaccines (some medical staff even vaccinated got the covid) and second how will the vaccine works against the new variants and how long the vaccine are efficient, 6 months, 12 months. We can imagine to vaccinated the entire population every 6 months or each time a new variant pop up. Let us see what will happen in Israel in the coming months before taking any conclusions.[/QUOTE]Even vaccined, you can still get and give. Vaccined won't put anymore mask and will give to not vaccined who will also give. Wish covid will be bored of humans and return where it came from. Maybe better not to eat pangolin, when poor rhinos or elephants or tigers are useless to be hard, sport is more efficient to get healthy and hard to be able to fuck.
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I don't dispute your argument. - Yet I am sure that your numbers are also considered. The point of reporting the one number to the masses is that they got used to it.
Politics is likely driven by quite a few other numbers and considerations. And I still agree it is all shitty politics. I totally share your frustrations.
And yes, current direction maybe to remain having FKK and disco clubs closed for a long while.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2542446]Then explain me the 'logic' behind the Inzidenzwert, and why this is not a percentage of the number of tests, but instead a fixed number of 'positive cases' per 100000 inhabitants?
tests = 'cases,' and yet the Inzidenzwert of 35 remains fixed. This is complete bullshit and this will never lead to lifting lockdowns! (or opening FKKs for that matter).
My statement about German doctors, engineers and scientists was sarcastic, because how come that nobody in Germany seems to notice this? There seems to be NOT A SINGLE scientist in the German government who can say: "wait a minute, a fixed Inzidenzwert + an increasing number of tests is bullshit. " Are they all brainwashed and part of a new cult again?
Reality is unfortunately, that Germany (Merkel + her sock puppet Ursula von der Leyen) are controlling the EU, so many other nations look at Germany and scratch their heads wondering why;.
*) they can't even count.
*) they can't even organise a vaccination campaign.
*) they can't make a reopening plan.
*) how corrupt politicians have been able to fill their pockets with 'masks-deals'.
Under Merkel, Germany has fallen from a leading 1st world nation to a at best a 2nd word banana republic, and I'm not even talking about the potholes in the streets and the crumbling digital infrastructure.[/QUOTE]
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Yes, being an island or a totalitarian system obviously help. I would still maintain, one could have created pseudo-islands in Europe. It could have saved 100 K and more lives. And so much economic well-fare.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2542371]Unfortunately the harsher the lockdowns the better they destroy the economy also. And they work better if the population has some discipline, with some good social welfare, and if they're used early and in short bursts.
And in the case of new Zealand and Australia living, they're islands so that can help.
Well UK is an island too but it's ruled by a clown and I guess travelers come and go from the continent. And the density is not the same.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=PaulInZurich;2542325]I understand, so you mean tiny little guy with the upper body strength of a 10 year old.[/QUOTE]If you ever tried climbing real steep, not 6/8%, but more than 13% and I let you imagine, have you ever seen more than 20%, a bit scary when you are in front at the bottom, then you should know your own weight is your enemy, much more than carbon versus ally, my sport is not to play Sumo, but to fight gravity and Newton and I'm ready to do my best to achieve my passions I non stop dream about, no too long runs, not more than 90 kms for up and down, but most extreme steep, like for my free riding spots, more and more extreme, to get new adrenaline, making you feel so good. Look at Xtreme Verbier 25th birthday on next week, remind me Mont Gelé , not Tortin but Verbier side through rocks.
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2542597]I don't dispute your argument. - Yet I am sure that your numbers are also considered. The point of reporting the one number to the masses is that they got used to it.
Politics is likely driven by quite a few other numbers and considerations. And I still agree it is all shitty politics. I totally share your frustrations.
And yes, current direction maybe to remain having FKK and disco clubs closed for a long while.[/QUOTE]Don't Germans wish and need more safety than now? Is being big brothel of Western Europe with guys bringing their diseases from all over the world what Germans wish? When elections to come for after Angela. Is Bavarian on good way for after Angela? When he wanted to close border with cousin Tirol under mutant.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2542451]Before speaking about vaccine passport, I think first we have to evaluate the efficiency of the different vaccines (some medical staff even vaccinated got the covid) and second how will the vaccine works against the new variants and how long the vaccine are efficient, 6 months, 12 months. We can imagine to vaccinated the entire population every 6 months or each time a new variant pop up. Let us see what will happen in Israel in the coming months before taking any conclusions.[/QUOTE]Well, we will probably start to see the efficiency of vaccines in a few months, whieverway. Israel is far into it, and UK is pushing 40% with first jab. That will start to reflect in the number of people getting real sick and hospitalized from this damn thing. Once that happens (and hopefully in a good way), maybe we can start seeing countries getting affected more like a normal flu, and stop talking about wave 3, 4, 5 and whatever. And get on with our lives.
But there seem to be a real push from EU and many countries to make corona passport a reality, some to save the tourism industry. Same already have printed versions, and common smarphone apps are in the making.
The passport seem intended for flying, fetstivals, concerts, nightclubs etc where many pepole are in one place or close proximity. Thus it would be obvious to let FKKs open in the same way. EU comission want it ready before summer.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2542577]If CV19 is truly going away, increasing tests should result in a lower daily positive rate. Germany is back at where it was in late-October: [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/positive-rate-daily-smoothed?tab=chart&country=DEU~GBR[/URL].[/QUOTE]Disheartening, as it didn't have to be that way. I incorrectly expected cases in continental Europe to somewhat follow the UK path, but the problems with vaccine rollout is entirely disappointing while unnecessarily prolonging the restrictions.
The encouraging trend is that Czechia, the apparent epicenter of the recent surge, appears to have decreased their incidence rate. While frustrating for the people living in Germany, from the outside looking in, Germany's non-vaccine related initiatives still seems to be superior to most of the rest of continental Europe. For now, I'll keep faith that Germany will keep this surge from becoming a true wave. No way it becomes as bad as Christmas. Or can it?
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[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2542448]That's why fearmongers and gaslighters like Mursenary are busy trolling this (and other?) forums: promote fear and promote the vaccine.[/QUOTE]Gaslighting? Did I? Do you feel psychologically manipulated or abused? I'm so sorry. Do you need a tissue Karen Sue?
Or maybe you don't know meaning of the term gaslighting.
No I am not gaslighting or fearmongering. I want to get to the end of this like most people. Part of that involves countering the statements that conspiracy theorists and people with selfish intents spew from Bullshit Mountain.
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And hey, just a third reminder, you got the data you asked for. And you were wrong.
[QUOTE=HammerTime96;2541147]Typical gaslighting and data cherie-picking.
Just compare Sweden with the rest of the world and you see the madness of lockdowns, face diapers and "vaccines."[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mursenary;2541157]Put Sweden against the world, it fails.
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=211..419&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=SWE FIN NOR Europe OWID_WRL [/URL][/QUOTE]
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Vaccination efficacy Cause for concern:
While countries like UK, US, and Israel have seen drastic improvements since vaccine rollouts, some countries oppose the trend and bring up a major concern. Countries with higher than average vaccination rates like Chile and Serbia buck the trend and continue to see rising cases.
[URL] https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=188..423&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=new_cases_per_million&Metric=Confirmed+cases&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=BHR~CHL~SRB[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2542590]For sure Peter Sagan is not as fit as me and not same dietetics also, he should stop to smoke or drink, and I'm sure he doesn't like climbing like me. I proposed you already few times for Gran San Bernardino, you take your light carbon, I take my crappy child bicycle with roulettes little wheels and let s go just for fun to open and clean lungs breathing fresh air, ask your doctor if this is not efficient versus covid when I remember how many WGs I kissed and fucked since covid, I will drive from Aosta, letting car on top. If bald fat bullshiting French want we climb Galibier from Valloire, or with telegraphe before, let s go also, I look forward and for my Summer. I never saw any carbon climbing without a guy sweating on and Sagan doesn't like this, he does only for green suit and money, when I enjoy my passion. He is a puncher, not a climber, too heavy, not fit enough.[/QUOTE]Let's see, on one side, Peter Sagan, 31 years, professional cyclist for 10+ years, 3 times World Champion, 7 times winner green Jersey, 12 Tour de France stages, 1 Giro stage, 4 Vuelta stages, winner at Flanders and Roubaix, 1 time European champion, countless half classics.
On the other side, random guy on the internet, 50+, claiming he is fitter than Sagan.
You claiming that you are more fit in any possible way is as believable as all your stories about "your" WGs how you make all of them cum and how they all want you.
Quod erat demonstrandum.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2542581]I don't think anybody made any mutation, just from location where started, but UK spread a lot, making trip, making clusters in some ski resorts, when they knew about, and killing Western continental Europe where they travelled even knowing. When their mutant spread and kill 60% more, I wonder how many deaths from UK mutant, when we know what happened in Portugal, and now in Italy or France where more than 50% new cases are mutant, mostly UK, Germany and Spain preferring to protect versus UK, must be a reason when not helping business.[/QUOTE]So you mean these were people who thought they can't possible get and transmit covid, who decide their fun is the most important thing, how careless and selfish of them?
Got it.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2542633]While countries like UK, US, and Israel have seen drastic improvements since vaccine rollouts, some countries oppose the trend and bring up a major concern. Countries with higher than average vaccination rates like Chile and Serbia buck the trend and continue to see rising cases.[/QUOTE]In Serbia apparently they're mostly using the Sinopharm vaccine from China. According to this article Sinopharm produces antibodies more slowly.
[URL]https://www.rferl.org/a/serbia-vaccine-rollout-infodemic-politicization/31130079.html[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2542593]Even vaccined, you can still get and give. Vaccined won't put anymore mask and will give to not vaccined who will also give...[/QUOTE]Studies that start coming out claim that vaccines substantially reduce transmission.
Pfizer and Moderna.
[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/vaccines-reduce-coronavirus-transmission-early-research-2021-2?r=US&IR=T[/URL]
Astrazeneca.
[URL]https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-02-02-oxford-coronavirus-vaccine-shows-sustained-protection-76-during-3-month-interval[/URL]
Earlier there was not enough data to make a claim about transmission rates, but this is being looked at. With the hundreds of millions of doses given, the data will come out.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2542624]Disheartening, as it didn't have to be that way. I incorrectly expected cases in continental Europe to somewhat follow the UK path, but the problems with vaccine rollout is entirely disappointing while unnecessarily prolonging the restrictions.[/QUOTE]UK (and US) has a much higher vaccination rate. EU so far can claim that they don't have enough doses, but I fear that they will fumble on large scale distribution when larger quantities will become available.
Once enough doses are available, they have to supply any Hausarzt, pharmacy, etc with vaccines.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2542600]If you ever tried climbing real steep, not 6/8%, but more than 13% and I let you imagine, have you ever seen more than 20%..[/QUOTE]This might be news for you, there is this thing called mountain biking. I think in France they call it VTT. Plenty of steep climbs available with the added bonus of uneven terrain and reduced traction.
You just need the right gearing.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2542511]If now we believe WHO I am afraid we are going to face strong nightmares. The situation is just terrible in many countries in Europe, we all know that 50% of the dead are obese and the most of the other 50% have very limited life expectancy (less than 1 year), I can also go more in details about ethnicity, social class. But all this is just unacceptable for a waste majority of people, milked with twitter, Facebook, CNN.[/QUOTE]Please tell this to my buddy, 42 years old, sub 12 h ironman finisher, multiple marathons, half marathons and 10 k runs, was training for the Great Divide race 4900 km, did several grand fondos, then every winter ski touring.
He is now doing Reha for 4 month and still has to stop to catch up his breath going up a flight of stairs. Sure he is not a typical case, but see one case like this with your own eyes and maybe you don't just think, who cares if somebody's grandma is dead, she should have gone easier on the cake.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2542624]Disheartening, as it didn't have to be that way. I incorrectly expected cases in continental Europe to somewhat follow the UK path, but the problems with vaccine rollout is entirely disappointing while unnecessarily prolonging the restrictions.
The encouraging trend is that Czechia, the apparent epicenter of the recent surge, appears to have decreased their incidence rate. While frustrating for the people living in Germany, from the outside looking in, Germany's non-vaccine related initiatives still seems to be superior to most of the rest of continental Europe. For now, I'll keep faith that Germany will keep this surge from becoming a true wave. No way it becomes as bad as Christmas. Or can it?[/QUOTE]High peak was planned by Western EU on March, and even use again AZ but with restrictions, only between 55 and 75, when I think was only tested for less than 65. When trouble making her falling on recent elections in 2 landers, Angela is even waiting for sputnik to be allowed by EU, when many Russians don't trust and when many in Germany and France don t want AZ. With elections for after Angela after Summer, I wonder who would risk to allow reopening of big brothel risky playfield. On 2021, Germany may not be so open, when they also had so many deaths, when was open for about 5 months for Samya, LR, Gold, on last year. But cleverness is ability to adapt and improve for me, so not only Germany, but I wish the best for our neighbour.
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Well obviously. He's an elite cyclist and much, much more fit than you.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2542590]For sure Peter Sagan is not as fit as me [/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2542725]Well obviously. He's an elite cyclist and much, much more fit than you.[/QUOTE]For sure, he is faster when I don t need carbon nor electric gears, but more than 80 kgs, which don t help to climb steep, I think we was in grupetto on col de Loze at 5/6 km / h on steepest, and just for green suit and trying to win on Champs Elysees. Ask him if he enjoyed the spot, when for sure I will return to try to improve. As long I will be able, I will go because fun with adrenaline for me there, when I doubt for him. Look at climber racers and look at him, You should see a bit of difference for body and much more important than carbon versus my alloy I feel much better to try to keep my front wheel on the floor when around 20%, then can t sit.
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[QUOTE=Ararat;2542725]Well obviously. He's an elite cyclist and much, much more fit than you.[/QUOTE]Everyone with a functioning brain should understand that. We're talking about a man who trains something like 30 or 40 hours a week, who is able to ride a bike during three weeks at an average speed above 40 km / h for more than 3000 km, 30 000 m of cumulative climbing, who can take a part in a massive sprint at the end of some of the stages where the sprinters get close to 70 km / h.
He was 3 times world champion. He's not the kind of guy who puts a mountain bike cassette on some kind of hybrid cheap touring bike and realizes that it's easier to climb with that. Actually he was a mountain biker before, some people should go on the internet to look at some videos he made with one of his teammates riding a Cannondale.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwTy3N5T9uw[/URL]
Maybe he'll get a a better idea of how technical and physical Peter Sagan is. But fantasy worlds hold as long as you avoid confronting them with reality.
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2542585]Is that approach the right approach? Incidence thresholds based on 100 K tests rather than 100 K inhabitants? There is a selective bias for this approach, favoring people who are symptomatic enough to feel the need to take a test or seek medical care in the first place. Basing policy based on percent positive of all tests would naturally give less importance to a major source of transmission, asymptomatic carriers and mild cases, as they will likely never even take the test and their role in transmission to the vulnerable would go unaccounted.
Yes, testing more would produce higher incidence rates with a set population size; but as you state, it will be a more accurate value.
Where you stand on this matter is likely determined by your motivating interest. Are you interested in obtaining real incidence rates for the sake of public health policy or is your goal to get to a target incidence rate that is less reflective of reality but would make it easier for you to get to a brothel.[/QUOTE]Both approaches are inaccurate. As you said, there is a selective bias, some of the people taking the test are more likely to be sick: either they have symptoms or they had someone sick in their close circle. But he has a point here: the way the data is communicated to the public is not really clear, and the more you test the more the incidence rate will increase. An increase in the incidence rate doesn't always mean that the virus is spreading faster, it can also mean that the test capacity increased, or that for one reason or another the share of people who are likely to be sick increased in the total number of people passing the test. Either way, the incidence rate communicated is inferior to the real incidence rate but will converge towards the real IR as the test capacity is increasing.
But if we do as he said (displaying the number of positive tests as a percentage of the total number of tests), it won't be so accurate either and probably above the real number for the same reason, the selective bias: the people taking the tests are more likely to be sick. Or you have to do a massive test campaign, encouraging everyone to get tested even if they feel good and offering convenient testing facilities (at work for example and the time you spend doing the tests is taken from your mandatory work time). Or random tests on large enough samples but I don't think it would be legal. Maybe in some authoritarian country?
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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2542624]Disheartening, as it didn't have to be that way. I incorrectly expected cases in continental Europe to somewhat follow the UK path, but the problems with vaccine rollout is entirely disappointing while unnecessarily prolonging the restrictions.[/QUOTE]That's because you sit in your ER in Southern US playing George Clooney, and you're clueless about how Europe 'works' and clueless about how incompetent Germany and Merkel really are.
As I've frequently said, the EU couldn't organise a binge-drinking party in a brewery, and the EU is a larger copy of Germany, completely dominated by Germany. Smaller, smarte solutions are better, but the EU treats every problem with the same 'efficiency' as the communist USSR, hence the nickname EUSSR.
Anyway, as I predicted, the EU politicians fucked up everything: lockdowns, vaccine rollout, bankrupting the entire economy. Inevitably the 'virus' will mutate and the 'vaccine' will be useless: hence lockdowns forever.
[QUOTE=Kuni042;2542597]I don't dispute your argument. - Yet I am sure that your numbers are also considered.[/QUOTE]No, they do NOT consider 'my' numbers. Read German media, and you'll see that they ONLY focus on the Inzidenz Value, the way a bull focuses on a red flag.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2542577]If CV19 is truly going away, increasing tests should result in a lower daily positive rate. Germany is back at where it was in late-October: [URL]https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/positive-rate-daily-smoothed?tab=chart&country=DEU~GBR[/URL].[/QUOTE]No.
Imagine you have a fictional city of exactly 100 k inhabitants. Also imagine that you do 100% testing of al citizens, an extreme and unrealistic scenario, but this exaggeration is just to illustrate my point. Also assume that the PC test generates 1% false positive results. You automatically get an "Inzidenzwert" of 1000 per 100000 inhabitants!
To make things even more stupid, I'll give you an example from the Berlin suburb of Kleinmachnow: [URL]https://coronatest-tks.de[/URL].
Notice how it says: "Getestet werden nur gesunde, symptomfreie Personen."
Translation: they are only testing healthy people without symptoms! Hahahahaha! So a fixed Incident Value of 35 + testing hundreds of thousands of healthy people without any symptoms + an x% of false positives = a Incident Value permanently 35.
This is basic math, but most German 'scientists' advising Merkel, and the German media don't seem to get this. Or is this all done on purpose? I'm not a big fan of conspiracies, but such sheer level of stupidity + banning-blocking-censoring any scientist that disagrees with Merkel's absolutely lunatic policies can no longer be a coincidence.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2542511]If now we believe WHO I am afraid we are going to face strong nightmares. The situation is just terrible in many countries in Europe, we all know that 50% of the dead are obese and the most of the other 50% have very limited life expectancy (less than 1 year), I can also go more in details about ethnicity, social class. But all this is just unacceptable for a waste majority of people, milked with twitter, Facebook, CNN.[/QUOTE]Yes, and the alternative would have been much easier: allow young and healthy people to build herd immunity (could have been achieved by summer last year, because a virus will quickly 'burn itself out' if it can not find anymore hosts), whilst temporarily isolating the elderly and obese people at risk.
This is what a lot of scientists were advocating, but those scientists have all been censored in the MSM, and on YuTube, Twatter and Shitbook and we could have been fucking hotties in Sharks today with only 50 Euros entry fee before 14:00.
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[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2542607]Well, we will probably start to see the efficiency of vaccines in a few months, whieverway. Israel is far into it, and UK is pushing 40% with first jab. That will start to reflect in the number of people getting real sick and hospitalized from this damn thing. Once that happens (and hopefully in a good way), maybe we can start seeing countries getting affected more like a normal flu, and stop talking about wave 3, 4, 5 and whatever. And get on with our lives.
But there seem to be a real push from EU and many countries to make corona passport a reality, some to save the tourism industry. Same already have printed versions, and common smarphone apps are in the making.
The passport seem intended for flying, fetstivals, concerts, nightclubs etc where many pepole are in one place or close proximity. Thus it would be obvious to let FKKs open in the same way. EU comission want it ready before summer.[/QUOTE]If you compare the curbs from Israel and UK of 2020 with the one of 2021 you will see that the decrease was stronger and faster without vaccine, so we need to wait and the scientifics have to study the things. The problem is not the vaccine or the passport, if in the coming months many vaccinated people get sick it will be game over for the passport. China economy is booming, covid is under control, there is no mass vaccination and no passport, may be we should start to look about the best performers and not about US and UK which are extremely poor performers in the battle against covid.
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[QUOTE=Sirioja;2542581]I don't think anybody made any mutation, just from location where started, but UK spread a lot, making trip, making clusters in some ski resorts, when they knew about, and killing Western continental Europe where they travelled even knowing. When their mutant spread and kill 60% more, I wonder how many deaths from UK mutant, when we know what happened in Portugal, and now in Italy or France where more than 50% new cases are mutant, mostly UK, Germany and Spain preferring to protect versus UK, must be a reason when not helping business.[/QUOTE]They made clusters in ski resorts because we let them enter the country, try to make a cluster in China? Each country can close the borders but business is more important than health like for many fucking prostitutes in covid times is more important than to stay safe at home.
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[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2542451]Before speaking about vaccine passport, I think first we have to evaluate the efficiency of the different vaccines (some medical staff even vaccinated got the covid) and second how will the vaccine works against the new variants and how long the vaccine are efficient, 6 months, 12 months. We can imagine to vaccinated the entire population every 6 months or each time a new variant pop up. Let us see what will happen in Israel in the coming months before taking any conclusions.[/QUOTE]Spot on.
Take a look at this interview of Geert vanden Bossche: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJZxiNxYLpc[/URL].
He's a vaccine expert (PhD in virology), has helped develop lots of vaccines, worked for lots of pharmaceutical companies, was head of GAVI (the vaccine foundation from Bill and Melinda Gates) and he is now WARNING that the current vaccination strategy is madness.
In case YuTube deletes it, here is another link on BitChute: [URL]https://www.bitchute.com/video/BNmUyioaAETO/[/URL].
Dr Geert vanden Bossche's impressive resume:
[QUOTE]Vanden Bossche received his DVM from the University of Ghent, Belgium, and his PhD degree in Virology from the University of Hohenheim, Germany. He held adjunct faculty appointments at universities in Belgium and Germany. After his career in Academia, Geert joined several vaccine companies (GSK Biologicals, Novartis Vaccines, Solvay Biologicals) to serve various roles in vaccine R&D as well as in late vaccine development. Geert then moved on to join the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation’s GH Discovery team as SPO and later on to work with GAVI as Senior Ebola Program Manager; he subsequently joined the German Center for Infection Research as Head of the Vaccine Development Office. Geert is now primarily serving as a Biotech/ Vaccine consultant while also conducting his own research on NK cell-based vaccines. His work is driven by a relentless passion to translate scientific breakthrough findings into competitive vaccine products. As a creative thinker, innovator, entrepreneur and visionary, Geert has been invited to speak at multiple international congresses.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.geertvandenbossche.org[/URL]
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Airlines
I see now that Delta and Qantas have announced that they will require vaccines for passengers on flights. I think we are on the way to seeing the requirement to prove vaccine history for non Schengen countries to arrive near a Sauna Club.