Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[QUOTE=Adindas;2471255]It is claimed that China vaccine is stolen from the US.

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/22/china-hackers-sought-to-steal-coronavirus-vaccine-research-says-us[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/us/politics/china-hacking-coronavirus-vaccine.html[/URL]

It might be true because in the past China never really invented anything new, all of that is the stolen technology from other countries. How many noble price winners come from people who work in China?? They might be chinese but the are not developing their research in China.

The problem if you are not the original developer, you might miss something big features, devil in detail in development of the vaccine. Also, the problem with China is that they are a tyrant and all of the information is controlled by CCP. For that reason, you should never believe any news come from China. Who want to try vaccine from China before you see the actual effect !!!

Even the result of stage 3 trail has not been known, Jenner Institute in collaboration with Astra Zeneca has begun making potential vaccine.

"We are starting to manufacture this vaccine right now. And we have to have it ready to be used by the time we have the results," he said. AstraZeneca says it will be able supply two billion doses of the vaccine.

[URL]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52917118[/URL]

So let's hope as soon as the positive stage 3 result is confirmed, the approval process form authority will be fast tracked and might be available before winter this year.

As soon as I got "COVID-19" jab I will be ready to jab the girls.[/QUOTE]I always believed that September / October would be the key months to know the final results on vaccines, especially from Oxford, which was the first project.

The problem is for trump who wants to postpone the elections, because he knows that before November 3 there will be no mass vaccination for americans. He is already saying that a fraud is being prepared. Of course, since he is 10 points below the mediocre Biden in the polls, he is desperate. If I win, that's fine but if the other wins, it is fraud. The worst American president, even worse than Bush son.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2471235]Will you take it? Knowing that some vaccines may not show side effects for years?[/QUOTE]I think less risky for me to go to brothels, I have about 15 visits since reopening, going with many new girls unknown for me before, rather than taking Chinese vaccine, when we know about their tests reliability and their taste for truth, or even other made rushing and racing to be reelected. How and for how long are tested new vaccines? Even some tests in Brazil and I think South Africa.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2471235]Will you take it? Knowing that some vaccines may not show side effects for years?[/QUOTE]COVID affects everyone differently, from no symptoms to fatal. I believe given a chance to take a vaccine I would rush to the front of the line, maybe two or three back. I'm not sure if anyone here has been ill enough to relate, but imagine an illness that attacks your whole body. You hurt everywhere and you barely have energy to stand up and walk. I had severe pneumonia a few years back. I remember being out of energy walking to the toilet. Well, the COVID is worse. To avoid that misery I would for sure take the vaccination. That is my opinion, but it's a solid though for me.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2471370]I think less risky for me to go to brothels, I have about 15 visits since reopening, going with many new girls unknown for me before, rather than taking Chinese vaccine, when we know about their tests reliability and their taste for truth, or even other made rushing and racing to be reelected. How and for how long are tested new vaccines? Even some tests in Brazil and I think South Africa.[/QUOTE]Do you think the truth is any better in the west?

It is all an information war. And the $ is all that matters. Most vaccines have always been full of side effects. Otherwise they would not even have worked. But lobbyists have made it so the vaccine companies are removed from any collateral. The state takes all the responsibility. Vaccine companies and drug makers are the largest sector globally paying for lobbyists. Bigger than oil And, bigger than the military. And this is why.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2471532]Do you think the truth is any better in the west?

It is all an information war. And the $ is all that matters. Most vaccines have always been full of side effects. Otherwise they would not even have worked. But lobbyists have made it so the vaccine companies are removed from any collateral. The state takes all the responsibility. Vaccine companies and drug makers are the largest sector globally paying for lobbyists. Bigger than oil And, bigger than the military. And this is why.[/QUOTE]Vaccines actually cause very few side effects, which are mostly short-lived, because they are 'passive' pharmaceuticals. They are administered to serve as 'baits' in order to trigger a natural immune response and make use resistant to a particular virus or bacterial pathogen. I agree with your comments about prices and profits, but the success of pharma companies and the high prices for vaccines were actually self-inflicted by the Western World. If you cut funds for academic research you create a business niche for private companies to exploit. This is why we will never have another Dr Jonas Salk (who discovered the polio vaccine and made if free to everyone) until governments decide to start funding medical research instead of the military.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2471532]Do you think the truth is any better in the west?

It is all an information war. And the $ is all that matters. Most vaccines have always been full of side effects. Otherwise they would not even have worked. But lobbyists have made it so the vaccine companies are removed from any collateral. The state takes all the responsibility. Vaccine companies and drug makers are the largest sector globally paying for lobbyists. Bigger than oil And, bigger than the military. And this is why.[/QUOTE]The COVID-19 vaccine development is unprecedented. In general circumstances, it will need about 4-5 years to be fully tested. Is it what the people want to and how many would have died by then?? Business and economic collapse. How many businesses will go into administration by then ?? How many people will lose their job by then

From our point of view as punters, How many FKKs, GB party, Partytreffs, Brothels, would have closed by then ? How many WGs would have lost their job by then ? We do not like that do we ??

Any unprecedented event needs to be matched with unprecedented response. So, it is reasonable to expect that the vaccine developers will need to be exempted from prosecution. Otherwise the people who have sacrificed their life, the people who work day and night to combat this pandemic will be wasted. Thinks about the researchers, volunteers, nurses, down. elderly who are more at risk and of course citizen of the world. And of course us punters and WGs. We have suffered a lot from this lock down. Instead the greedy lawyers will take advantage of the crisis.

Also keep in mind it is the government of the country who order the vaccine even before it has been fully tested and approved. No government have been forced to do that. It is the individual government choice. The choice is clear do you want a normal response where you could prosecute the company behind the vaccine? Then Wait 4-5 years. Otherwise you have to exempt the company behind from the prosecution.

Also no one has been forced to get the COVID-19 jab, each individual maintains personal right to refuse to get jabbed, to wait whenever they feel safer to do so. It is your choice.

Some protests against cv-19 restrictions in Germany and counter protests: [URL]https://youtu.be/3F2i0wDCfug[/URL].

Salaam zusammen,

I just watched this Coronavirus Update from the Trump White House. I have to admit I was surprised and even a little impressed by the sober and self-critical tone.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/thejuicemedia/videos/324549878724905/[/URL]

[QUOTE=RockyV;2471662]Vaccines actually cause very few side effects, which are mostly short-lived, because they are 'passive' pharmaceuticals. They are administered to serve as 'baits' in order to trigger a natural immune response and make use resistant to a particular virus or bacterial pathogen. I agree with your comments about prices and profits, but the success of pharma companies and the high prices for vaccines were actually self-inflicted by the Western World. If you cut funds for academic research you create a business niche for private companies to exploit. This is why we will never have another Dr Jonas Salk (who discovered the polio vaccine and made if free to everyone) until governments decide to start funding medical research instead of the military.[/QUOTE]That is what they want you to believe. And what they pay the lobbyists to have them work at making you believe. From rewriting curriculum's, talking to the media, and having meetings with politicians.

As the other guy here mentions. Yes, there are pros and cons. And it is a risk we all have to take ourselves. But the truth behind vaccines and how they really is something far less than a percent of the populace really know. Even most doctors are clueless. Because even their curriculum usually has it wrong.

Many vaccines focus on part of the cells that attach to human cells. And when they do, the vaccine cells also attach to human cells. And that always leads to complications. And always long term. There are some antibodies being made to fight 'vaccine cells', but then you immune system gets under pressure long term also. Leaving you more susceptible to other diseases instead.

Some vaccines can also confuse the immune system because the injected cells are unnatural. So you get all these autoimmune diseases and hyper-responses from the immune system instead. Like a computer virus giving you error messages constantly. Something is wrong, so it sends out the soldiers. And too many, but they don't always find what they were sent out to fight.

And then there the hormonal implications of vaccines as well. Messing with hormonal balance in your body.

In other words, the human body is way way way more complicated for scientists of today to mess around with and inject cells that the body cannot ever completely cure. Because that is what a vaccine is.

It is like an injected Windows virus. Inserted only to give you these constant annoying error messages. But it doesn't do much more than that. But you have to click on the error box sometimes, or fight those blue screens.

I guess what I am trying to say is:

Most people still use windows, but the pros try to avoid it, and stuck with Linux for years.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2471961]That is what they want you to believe. And what they pay the lobbyists to have them work at making you believe. From rewriting curriculum's, talking to the media, and having meetings with politicians.[/QUOTE]I have a PhD in Molecular Medicine, so nobody is trying to make me believe in something. I just know!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2471961]As the other guy here mentions. Yes, there are pros and cons. And it is a risk we all have to take ourselves. But the truth behind vaccines and how they really is something far less than a percent of the populace really know. Even most doctors are clueless. Because even their curriculum usually has it wrong.[/QUOTE]As with any pharmaceuticals there are health risks and side effects. What is important is the balance between risks and benefits. You wouldn't think twice about crossing a bridge, that has 1 in 40,000 chances of collapsing, so why wouldn't you feel the same about vaccines. In the past (60-70 years ago) vaccines preparations used to contain mercury, which can be extremely toxic. Now the vaccine preparations contain very safe compounds.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2471961]Many vaccines focus on part of the cells that attach to human cells. And when they do, the vaccine cells also attach to human cells. And that always leads to complications. And always long term. There are some antibodies being made to fight 'vaccine cells', but then your immune system gets under pressure long term also. Leaving you more susceptible to other diseases instead.[/QUOTE]OK, there is some confusion here. Vaccines are not cells, but just part of viruses. Viruses are a mix of proteins and genetic material and cannot replicate unless they enter a host cell and use the cell's replicating machinery to multiply. A way of producing vaccines is to identify the protein that the virus uses to attach to the host cell in order to enter inside and use that to instruct the immune system to produce antibodies against a vital part of the virus. Another way is to produce antibodies against the virus and inoculate those into patients, this is usually made by purifying antibodies from the plasma of people, who have recovered. This way may have more side effects and it is actually the original way people discovered the immune response.

To all those wondering, I don't think there will be any return to normalcy in the mongering scene before there's a vaccine, at least in Germany.

This will require a year and a half or so. It is a long time and we all hate it. But safety first, no?

I don't think any of you would want to get infected by COVID through an asymptomatic sex worker, bar tender or customer.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2472074]I have a PhD in Molecular Medicine, so nobody is trying to make me believe in something. I just know![/QUOTE]Fair enough!

[QUOTE=RockyV;2472074]I have a PhD in Molecular Medicine, so nobody is trying to make me believe in something. I just know!

As with any pharmaceuticals there are health risks and side effects. What is important is the balance between risks and benefits. You wouldn't think twice about crossing a bridge, that has 1 in 40,000 chances of collapsing, so why wouldn't you feel the same about vaccines. In the past (60-70 years ago) vaccines preparations used to contain mercury, which can be extremely toxic. Now the vaccine preparations contain very safe compounds.

OK, there is some confusion here. Vaccines are not cells, but just part of viruses. Viruses are a mix of proteins and genetic material and cannot replicate unless they enter a host cell and use the cell's replicating machinery to multiply. A way of producing vaccines is to identify the protein that the virus uses to attach to the host cell in order to enter inside and use that to instruct the immune system to produce antibodies against a vital part of the virus. Another way is to produce antibodies against the virus and inoculate those into patients, this is usually made by purifying antibodies from the plasma of people, who have recovered. This way may have more side effects and it is actually the original way people discovered the immune response.[/QUOTE]I'm glad someone pointed out the absurd assertions made in those posts. Google University has a way of producing internet doctors who gain some rudimentary familiarity about a subject matter but absolutely no understanding, so they well, get the beans stuck above the frank.

That being said, I'll go ahead and call bullshit on the phd on molecular medicine as even a 1st year medical student would know that live attenuated and whole cell vaccines are made from microbes whose pathogenicity has been removed. Mumps, measles, pertussis, varicella, etc.