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I say, "Con respeto no necesito masaje y prefiero empezar con las relaciones." (Respectfully) I don't need a massage and would prefer to start the sex. Or I say "El masaje no me interesa mucho." Massage really doesn't interest me. Then they usually just start with the blow job.
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I am arriving in GDL on September 26. I have been trying to make appropriate plans while there. Hopefully, I can add something meaningful to the previous posts. If you have anything recent or particularly helpful.
Thanks to all of those who have submitted reports. GDL sounds magnificent!
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Hello Everyone, sorry it has been a while...
I just returned yesterday from a 2 month long trip to beautiful Mexico and I am much closer to realizing my dream / goal of living full time in Mexico. I was able to get a house south of Guadalajara in a smaller sized town. The town has a "table dance" club but it is horrible and not worth mentioning. Thankfully I only wasted $80 USD before realizing how bad it was. So I will spare you the details of that dreary dump.
But I do have a travel update and a very positive report on High Class Estetica in Guadalajara.
High Class, as many of you have reported on here, is at 2913 Lazaro Cardenas between the streets of Lopez Mateos and Mariano Otero. My taxi driver had some trouble figuring out where it was with just the physical address. The cross streets were extremely helpful.
It was my last day in Mexico and I got a late start in the day due to a lot of last minute events in Mexico (including picking up my nationalized truck's insurance at the insurance office and getting a final chance to see a cute chica there who I bought the insurance from... ;)
I arrived to the airport in Guadalajara exactly 3 hours before my flight and checked in my bags and saw that I had a little over 2 hours left before my flight left. So I went ahead with the plan to go to High Class and I took a cab from the airport to High Class. It is not that far, but it did take about 20 to 25 minutes to get there from the airport. For those of you traveling via bus, it would probably take 15 to 20 minutes in the taxi from the bus station. For those pinching the pesos, you could probably figure out how to catch a local "Pesero" city bus from the central bus station area that costs about $3 pesos (currently about 27 cents US) that will take you down Lazaro Cardenas but it would take a lot longer than 20 minutes.
So I arrived to High Class in great timing and went in and I was whisked away quickly by a young woman named Jazmine. She took me down a hall, through a door, past some legitimate looking haircut stations with wash basins and had me sit down and told me the lowdown on the services.
I was told that for $500 pesos I could have 30 minutes with a woman of my choice for massage and sex. This is $50 higher than previously posted but it seemed very rehearsed so I guessed that the prices had changed (inflation and the recent devaluation of the peso). She also told me that I could have a "double" for $1000 pesos and have the woman for the entire hour. She noticed my carry-on luggage and I told her I was heading out so that the 30 minute service was fine.
As others have posted on here, I was asked if I wanted to have the service with her or see the girls first and I agreed. She had the available women come in one by one and briefly introduce themselves. There was a wide range of women, a few blondes, many brunetes. A few very attractive women and some that looked a little "weather beaten", but probably the most "fun". I ended up staying with Jazmine, though there were a few girls more attractive than she is.
Anyway, the session was great... We went upstairs to an available room (It was about 4PM and it was not busy) and she asked me if I wanted anything to drink. I was thirsty and asked for a coke and she told me to undress and she would be back in a moment. I undressed and waited on the table. They are basically raised "slabs" of cement with tile on them with a cushion and a hospital style fitted sheet on them. It was not uncomfortable, but it was very spartan. She returned and I drank some soda and lied on my stomach and the massage began...
After a few minutes (the massage wasn't great though I sure could have used one for my neck and legs) I started to reach back and touch Jazmine and she removed her towel and exposed a very beautiful, young body and proceeded to ask me if I wanted to proceed with the "relaciones" part of the "massaje" and I said "Si, gracias"...
She proceeded to do a covered BBJ with a condom I brought from the U.S. instead of the cheapo Mexican condoms these places tend to have (I like Lifestyles condoms -- never had one break and they feel pretty good). After a little of that she changed positions and started to ride me hard... it was very nice and she had a good rhythm to her movements but she was a bit rough on the ride. That and the padding not being as thick as a mattress may have been what affected me. Anyway, I just held her on me and ground into her and she got the message and just continued grinding her hips gently and passionatly into mine... very nice indeed!
After doing this for a little while, we switched to "estilo perrito" and finished off in the missionary position. I made very sure not to put too much weight on her and she did seem to appreciate that. I'm not super heavy, but I have been eating more quesadillas and tacos than I usually do. We finished a little before the half hour was up and I was very surprised to see that there was a shower there with a sink as well. I thought they may not have hot water but Jazmine told me they did so I showered with Jazmine and we talked a little bit and I found out that she was 22 years old!!! I knew she was young, but not that young. I asked if she had any kids and she said she didn't. Her body was very nice and her tits were natural C's...
I didn't offer her a tip and she didn't ask for one either. I'm not "cheap" but I am conscious that we need to maintain the prices or they will go way, way up. I did tell Jazmine that I would be back and though she may not remember me when I got back that I would remember her if she was still there. She told me I would probably forget her, but I won't. I just hope she is still around for when I get back. I asked her, somewhat jokingly, if I were to come to the estetica once a week if she would forget me and she laughed and smiled and said, "no...". I told her that I didn't expect her to remember my name because of so many clients that come in, but that I would try to "jog" her memory next time I was there if she was around and available.
And so I asked her for one more thing. I needed a taxi and I asked if they could get a taxi for me. She said she would go and stop a cab for me and asked me to get dressed and be down for the taxi. She went down and came back up quickly and told me she had stopped a taxi but saw that I wasn't ready and said she would stop another one. I got down the stairs and a taxi had arrived to bring a client in but that he was paid to wait for the client to "finish". Unfortunately this taxi didn't have a radio in his car for some reason but he went outside to hail a cab for me while I waited inside. Jazmine invited me to sit down on the couch and wait and I sat there and it was a strange experience after having had some passionate sex to be sitting amongst the "working ladies". But Jazmine soon sat next to me and we talked a little as I finished my coke. I made a few light jokes and looked at my watch and hoped that a taxi would stop. Apparently there is a glorieta very close to this estetica and the taxis coming through there don't tend to stop in front of this place.
Fortunately, I got a cab and then said bye to Jazmine and the girls and left. I made it back to the airport in plenty of time and didn't even have my carry on luggage searched. I know I had a "perma-smile" on my face from Jazmine and all I could think during the taxi ride back to the airport and walking around in the airport was Jazmine's nice butt, tits and face and big brown eyes... She was definitely a nice image to have in my head for the flight back.
My only regret... I didn't go to High Class at the start of my trip! I hope to be a repeat customer. It only costs me $8 USD to catch a bus from the small town to Guadalajara and once I figure out the city bus system I hope it won't cost much more than another 1 USD to get to the Estetica and back via bus. And with the $500 peso fee (about $45 USD) the total cost for my "adventures in latex" would be about $62 USD. I also hope that if I do end up going a few times a month (probably not once a week, but who knows?) I would get some "extended sessions" if I go during their "off" times. I will let you know.
I have definitely spent a LOT more money on chasing after women in the "standard" way and come up with nothing. Eventually I hope to have a girlfriend and be in Miller's condition :) But in the meantime when I get back to Mexico I will be making lots of regular trips via bus to Guadalajara.
Anyone have any suggestions for decent restaurants near High Class?
I hope to return to Mexico sometime in February 2004 to stay for at least 8 to 10 months :) Hasta pronto!
El Mojado
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EL Mojado,
I recently returned from a trip to Puerto Vallarta which is about 4 hours drive to the coast - big tourist town. There I met a young woman from Guadalajara and boy was she smoking.
But not to digress - I wanted to ask your opinion regarding the cost of land/housing in the greater Guadalajara region. I'm thinking that I'd like to one day (soon) retire and move to Mexico where I can buy about 20-30 acreas of land, build a small ranch and live out my charro (mexican cowboy) fantasy. I'm totally clueless about the cost of real estate so hopefully you can help.
Please contact me via the WSg Forum's Private Messaging system.
Also for those interested - in PV I stopped by two titty bars... ended up taking two brasilian sisters from Prestige for $300US for a short time for me and a friend. Was fun but if you want brazilians. Go to Brazil!
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I thought I should add my report on Guadalajara although it has been about 6 months since the last time I was there.
The Men's Club is definately the best t & a club, I have had two girls lap dancing and doing lesbian stuff right on top of me. The service/atmosphere is first class, the talent is incredible and international and all of the liquor is top shelf. They also take credit cards for everything so you can run up a big bill if you are so inclined. The girls will go out after they close but it can be costly and of course that can be pretty late at night. I tried one of the escort services listed in the Yellow Pages under "estetica", I called a couple but settled on the first one with the largest ad. They told me that a girl matching my request would be delivered to the corner across the street from my hotel in 30 minutes and they were right on time. I paid the driver and walked into the hotel as if she was my girlfriend...no problem. She was dressed like a business woman and in we went.
We had a great time for about two hours, it cost about $150 and we did it every which way. Luckily I had stocked up on the little blue diamond pill so I was ready to go over and over, these are good but the new one Levitra seems better. A little easier on the cardio sysytem it seems and costs about the same and lasts about 36 hours!! (of course I don't know that for a fact) Guadalajara is my kind of town!
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Hey Gimmedub, yes, the latina women in Puerto Vallarta are quite hot... Anyway, I tried to send you a message via the private messaging system but you have it shut off so I could not send you anything. I saved it in text format so when you get it turned on (go into the options section of the User Control Panel) I can send it out to you. Mine is now turned on (it was off before) so you can send me a message to let me know you are ready to receive it.
The Junior's Table Dance bar in PV is expensive but tends to have better women. The other one next to it is cheaper and if you climb the stairs instead of arrive by taxi you do not have to pay a cover charge (at least that is how it was 2 years ago or so, but it probably has changed). I think that is your reward for climbing up a god-awful number of stairs. My brother and I went there that time and we called it "The House of the Rising Stairs"... They charge less for "take out" than Juniors, but it is still a lot of $$$. It is cheaper from what I've read on here to just have them there onsite. Anyway, PV is expensive... After having gone to High Class for $45 USD most places are going to be Expensive. ;)
Hey, regarding that Rancho you want to make in Mexico... too bad a bunch of us from here cannot get together to make our own "brothel"/"Table Dance" / "Estetica" for ourselves and U.S. tourists! (For WSG Mongers) Shoot... we could even teach the ladies English! Now that would be something I would be willing to invest in :) ;)
El Mojado
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Hi everyone.
I am visiting GDL for the first time next week. I have read reports about High Class and other spots, and am looking forward to checking it out, and reporting back.
Are there any other locations I should hit? I'm not really looking for dance bars, or specator sports, but more for available ladies who are interested. Not speaking Spanish is a limitation for me, I know. I wil locate High Class Estetica, and that part of town. I am staying out in Tlaquepaque. Are there any areas I should check out in that part of the area? Does a taxi into GDL make the most sense, or is the bus just as fast and reliable?
I've heard that GDL is safe on the streets, and crime is low compaired to most cities in the country. Correct? Can I operate with dollars, or should I change into the local currency?
Any help would be appreciated.
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El mojado,
I pm'd you but still no answer :( - you're probably down in GDL rounding up some beautiful girls for your stable! When you do read this drop a line, please send me a PM.
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Hi all:
I'm going to Guadalajara for the first time too in 2 weeks. I'm into the SW scene... any ideas where I can find women in the streets, particularly in the daytime... markets, park, throughfares, etc? Any help would be great!
PeterPaul.
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World Wise: Do NOT operate with dollars. Not speaking Spanish will be enough of a limitation and operating with dollars will just tattoo "Rip Me Off" on your forehead. Furthermore there is no need to operate with dollars as ATMs are widely available. If you are flying in, use the ATM at the airport and not the money changers.
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Well, friends in carnal desires, some facts, observations and comments about the city of Guadalajara.
$ always means peso, unless otherwise specified!
Work left me exactly one day for tourist stuff - including the exploration of local talent, a Sunday. So I decided to first pay a visit to a location that has often been mentioned on this board, High Class Estetica. Things were as previously described, I was led into a small room by a lady, that looked like the archetype of many of the women you see on the street in Guadalajara - latin with quite some indio in her, black hair, dark tan skin, a very feminine figure packed into a bit too narrow jeans. Lorena. She explained the options: $ 450 about half hour, one pop, $ 780 about an hour, 2 pops. That might explain some different quotes some guys have heard, I also have the feeling it helped that I established at the beginning not to be a norteamericano. There might be a two tier (or multi tier) price system. I opted 2 pop.
When she got out of her too tight jeans, it became apparent that those play y vital role in keeping things together. Also, gravity is the natural enemy of the femnale breast. That said - good CBJ, a ride, and finish "estilo gatito". Solid sex, nothing spectacular, definitely no GFE.
After a shower and 10 minutes in a too cold sauna, round 2. I must admit, I overestimated myself, El Alemanito went limp again, but Lorena has a sort of hooker's honour - If a guy pays for twice, he is supposed to come twice. Hard work on her side, but - yes.
Finished, dressed again, she came with my change (I prepaid $ 1000, and she correctly gave back $ 220). As Dickhead previously observed, no tip requested - so she got one.
After dinner, I decided to check out the t&a club scene. not necessarily to get laid again, but to get an idea of "look and feel" of these clubs. I asked a cabby to take me to Men's club. It was closed. According to the driver not because of the Sunday, he said it was always open. He then suggested another place ,"Palm somethoing" - also closed. His third suggetion was a place called "Ramses" - open. Interesting, he never mentioned Kaos. Maybe that place sucks so much that they don't even give decent kickbacks to the cabbies...
Ramses. a rather dark room, maybe 60 * 30, in the middle a long stage / dancing table, decorated like Hollywood's perception of ancient Egypt. Had a 21st century (a.C.) spotlight exatly opposito of me.
Moderately pushy. takes about 5 minutes for three guys to introduce themselves as your waiter, your personal care - taker and I forgot the third one (means: potential tip receivers), another 5 minutes for a girl to sit beside you, and 5 min. more for her to order herself a drink. Prices moderate for that kind of place, $ 40 a beer for you (they come in 3 - packs), $ 130 a ladie's drink, Tequila (who would have thought?) something.
On stage a sequence of admittedly beautiful girls. some really great performances. And, plastic surgeons in this city know their jobs. (I mean it - I played with a pair of tits which were feelable, but certainly not visibly enhanced). You can buy "private dances" - separate room, she sits on you wearing nothing but a g string, your hands wherever you want, theirs squeezing what they get through your pants, $160 - and "very private sessions" for $ 480. This gives you 15 min with the chica of your choice in a room decorated with a nice sofa.
I did not pursue this any farther, because a) it was getting quite late, b) I already had run a significant tab, and c) I had not much confidence in the performance to be expected from Alemanito, considering the afternoon's events. I hope to read ongoing research results soon at this place. If you get what I suppose and would appreciate, a good strategy for the night would be, nurse a beer defending all approaching chicas until you know what you want, buy her one drink and proceed directly into a double or triple time session.
So many facts. Now some observations:
Somebody wrote, that the women of Guadalajara would be the most beautiful of the world. Beauty lies in the eye of the beholder, and my eyes are still recovering from an extended stay in Buenos Aires. OK, there are some real beauties on the streets of Guadalajara, but my observation (and I may err) is, that a very frequent vita of a women here goes like this: At age 15 she is a real beauty, with 17, pregnant, with 18 married. Age 25, she has 5 kids, and with 30 she weighs at least twice as much as with 15.
The esteticas provide good service, but they are in my opinion not able to give you anything like a GFE you could have elsewhere. As I said, I am spoiled by Buenos Aires, and beeing there with a club or internet girl for one or several hours in the privacy of your room is in another league. I would thus consider Guadalajara (and maybe Mexico) not as a "mongering destination", especially not for an European, who can find similar (or better) closer to home.
What I missed (or maybe just did not find) was a place to get laid during the night. The esteticas close at 9 pm, and calling an escort service to get a girl I have never seen before is not my thing. The internet addresses I found in the Guadalajare phone book (www.thailand.com.mx, www.caos.com.mx, www.intimoo.com) all don't work.
El Aleman
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Aleman,
I can't disagree with any of your observations. From my experience with the esteticas, they will adhere to the 1 pop/ 2 pop rules but not the time limits. I have always paid between $350 and $550 pesos (450 and 550 at High Class) and I never spend less than an hour. Of course if you start banging her immediately, 30 minutes may be her limit. But if you talk a little, get a massage, give her a massage . . . it usually takes 30-45 minutes before anything sexual happens. Depends on if she is busy and how you treat her.
As to attitude and GFE, well the ladies of Buenos Aires have that big time. And I know of no other place that equals it. But you can improve the GFE in Mexico by seeing the same woman a second or third time. They will open up alot more. And you can arrange from them to come to your hotel room. Easy for them because they get off at 9pm (or day shift). But they will get fired if the owner finds out that they are taking HIS money. So she must trust you.
The aging of Mexicanas has been noted and commented upon frequently. And is quite true. Why? Genetics, Mexican food and social customs. Only among the wealthy class will you find older women working hard to keep slim, unlike Europe or BA. And with various amounts of indian blood and a high carb diet, it is a tremendous effort. My best advice . . . enjoy them all!
-P
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Prokofiev,
As clearly stated, these were observations made within very limited time, which singled out all the "repeat" and "again" etc. options. Given more time, I certainly would have found some more opportunities, taking out the estetica girls after hours sounds like one.
Also, I could imagine that it might be possible to date strip club girls during their off hours.
El Aleman
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I need an answer to an important question ASAP. I would like to travel in January and can go to GDL or to Toronto. Which, in January, would offer the best time and best experience with providers (Strip club, escort, etc)? Anyone with an opinion please PM or post.
Thank you,
Winston
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Boxing Rule 222
What is racist about Miller's post? I don't see one word of racism in it. IMO this post you may find racist but personally I don't give a shit. Most mexicans resent Americans because we make more money, and live more comfortably than they could ever dream of. I am sure this post will be removed, but what the hell, it is 100% true.