Thanks to all for Kiev GFE suggestions
I've booked the flight, and apartment for mid-March.
Will definitely let you know how it turns out.
Risk-sensitive decision-making
Maybe I can add a little to the price speculations pre- post- and during Euro 2012. Someone raised the issue that Ukrainians are more likely to sit there waiting for the big score rather than earn a reasonable wage for their efforts. It is not just the mentality of Ukrainians, but also a normal decision-making process. When things are relatively okay and you can reasonable expect to make it to the end of the week, or the month or the year, then you are less likely to take financial risks. When you are REALLY broke and, IF THINGS DO NOT CHANGE, you DO NOT expect to make it the the end of the week, month or year, then you take more risks. It is called Risk-sensitive decision-making. If you take more risks, you can score big, but there is also a chance of total failure, but it is worth taking the risk if you "know that if things do not change, then you will not be able to make it.
This behaviour is seen everywhere. Think of a losing team who needs to at least tie a game to make it to the next round. If they throw caution to the wind there is a chance that they might score, or get scored on. BUT if they keep playing the same way, they will lose, so might as well take the risk. In hockey they even pull out the goalie in favour of an extra attacker. It is the same logic why people who are broke are more likely to buy the lottery. I bet Warren Buffet does not ever buy a lottery ticket. Animals adopt risky behaviour if they do not have enough resources to survive the night or the migration. Desperate investors put their money on high-risk ventures, etc.
It is the same with Kiev taxi drivers or other service providers. Some of them have a steady supply of customers, others sit there and just wait for the big score. Of course, the longer you wait, the more opportunities you have wasted, and the worse off you are, and the more you have to rely on that big score.
Shall be very thanksfull for your help Liljoey
[QUOTE=Liljoey; 1234589]Have you read the thread and have you considered the sound advice in many earlier posts in this thread that renting a luxury apartment downtown, from rental companies like kievapts. Com and other companies referred to by other members here, gives you much more for your money and is preferable when you intend to invite or bring multiple female guests over? Aside from the privacy issue, and not having to deal with interfering hotel security types looking for a handout, or embarrasing moments with hotel reception, a luxury apartment will give you triple the space for less money than a hotel. I have requested the rental company that I only want to rent apartments that are newly refinished or remodeled and are very clean and modern, and they have guided me to selections fitting my requirements. I have not been disappointed yet. The only thing I miss is the ease with which one can get freshly laundered new bath towels in a hotel, but you can make special arrangements for this in an apartment rental too. And regardless, the full kitchen and beautiful living room with big screen TV etc. That makes entertaining girls at your place so much nicer compared to in a hotel room, more than makes up for the bath towels issue. What is the reason to prefer a hotel?
When I order an appatment by kievapts. Com, when and where I get the kees when I shall arrive to Kiev? Are the beds appropriate size in 1 bedrooms appartments? Please answer.
Kiev and Rio is very different from Montreal strip clubs in Quebec
[QUOTE=Stevie69; 1238064]This type of "private dance" with fondling, rubbing, and all kinds of touching and "dry humping" is standard in Quebec. Usually it includes licking the nipples and can include fingering and licking other parts of her body. All this for a mere $20 per "song". It used to be $10 not too many years ago. Of course, it adds up quickly so the girls try to entice you into staying with them for as long as possible Clubs outside cities are more liberal, but depending on the club, there might be a BJ or actual sex for an additional cost. However, having sex for 10 minutes in a dark and dirty small booth may cater to the fantasy of having impromptu sex with a stripper but it is really uncomfortable and too expensive for what you get.
I have had a couple of actual BJs, for a little extra, and some partial ones, for "free". When the "song" is about to end they will do what they can to try to convince you to stay for one more. And once I actually had sex in a little booth. Exciting, I suppose, but not comfortable. In Niagara falls there are also a couple of strip bars like that, but I have not been here in many years.
I never tried take-out at these places, but I suppose everything is possible. And no, they are not the quality of the girls one find sin Ukraine, but some are perfectly fine.[/QUOTE]In the "contact" dance strip clubs that decorate downtown Montreal, while it is true that some touching is possible, it is not generously given, but must be bargained and paid for, and yes the girls try to keep you going for more dances. Also no "take out" is generally possible from those strip clubs in Montreal. However, on the outskirts of Montreal, to the West or to the South, there are some strip club bars that have the back room private booths that you mention. One or two which come to mind is Hilltop about 30 minutes on the highway to the West, and Bar Le Gentlemen a similar distance to the South of downtown Montreal. Some of the girls are very beautiful. It is the goal of the girl to get you all excited from her dance to the point that you will pay for the additonal services. The menu offered is generally $100 for oral, and $200 for everything, plus $20 per song for the time. Everything is covered. You can also make an agreement for a flat fee for a certain amount of time like a half hour or an hour with some girls. The booths have nothing more than perhaps a couch and a little shelf for your drink, very basic, and decidedly not upscale. The club doesn't have a place you can really wash up afterwards, other than the regular men's room. Every time I asked one of those beauties to come back to my hotel so that we can be together in cleanliness and comfort, they always asked something like $500 / hour. They weren't really interested in outcall to a hotel, because they were making so much more at the strip club where they could earn $100 to $200 every ten or 15 minutes on a busy night. These type of strip club bars are very special and there aren't too many of them around. I've never checked out Niagara Falls yet.
In Kiev, it is entirely different. The private dances in Rio have none of that attempt by the girl to get you to do more dances or to pay more for additional services. The fee is 200 UAH. That's it. There are some girls who are dancer only and don't do take out at Rio. Some of them do only that in a private dance, they just dance, no touching of tits or pussy. She is not required to do more in a Rio private dance. So when a Rio girl does give you more, and allows you all sorts of sexual liberties with her body, and responds to your ministrations, it is something coming from her to you. It is not required. It is given. Obviously she gives such intimacies in the hope that you will like her and take her home. Most of the Rio girls will simply get up after the first dance is finished. They have no expectation of a second dance. If you want to continue dances you will have to suggest it. Otherwise, she will be getting dressed. Most guys don't need more than a single 2 song dance to decide they want to take the girl home and fuck her. Why spend more on dances in Rio, when you can take her home and do everything your heart desires there.
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[QUOTE=PlantMagic; 1237886]I also want to ask a question to IT Travel or any expert mamba. Ru hunters :
How can you be sure that the girls will provide you good services including BBBJ and anal sex? Xxxx But I did it in my donetsk adventure and didn't look for girls in Kiev but in donetsk. There may be english speaking gals on mamba in Kiev area, I don't know, however there arent in donetsk.
And secondly, Do you talk with the girl on mamba and asking her what services she will offer before you land in Kiev?
Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]Donetsk is very Russian. Little English is happening there! You will find Kyiv much more ENGLISH speaking. Girls in the big city are hit on much more than other locales. I used to try and talk to a girl or 2 girls on the street."Excuse me, do you speak English?" Usually a reply of " NO!", as they raced off down the street. Now I approach and ask "Excuse me, do you speak Russian?" They answer " NO!", then realize my trick and see me smiling and they laugh and we begin some small talk. They ALL. Old & young. Have learned the A B C's, words, sentences. Just not much practice.
And it is amazing to me how at a dinner party they can not speak any English, but after an hour of drinks they become 'fluent"! Xa xa.
Mamba girls will answer all your questions. Timing is sometimes important? Don't always rush right in! But, you do also need to understand some of them will be on site for a day. 2 or 3, or a week. Then disappear! Strike when the iron is hot!
If you want something ask for it. Many girls do want to see you first and that is when a good guy, clean, nice, fun will usually score more & higher than other personality types!