I'll be in Kiev from Jan 18 to Feb 2nd if anyone is interested in getting together for some trollop trolling.
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I'll be in Kiev from Jan 18 to Feb 2nd if anyone is interested in getting together for some trollop trolling.
As i prepared my trip to Kiev, i get internet contacts with some girls. I received a reply of one of that, who asked me to paid her a sort of phone card (and send her the number) to see her. Her email was followed by a couple of photo of her. Does anyone has any info of that ?
MR
MR
Are you as naïve as you make yourself out to be? If you are, then please bring $100,000 in small denomination dollar bills and I will sell you one of Kiev's finest bridges. You can then set up toll booths and charge anything you want to all motorists.
Yes, this is a telephone scam. In this case, you will pay and you will get some nice photos for your efforts that you now have.
Anything here, and for that matter, most anyplace else, that requires you to prepay for such information as a phone number or other very basic information definitely is a scam.
How about if you just stick to the tried and true when you get here like Gia, River Palace and clubs like 111. Otherwise I suspect you will end up very unhappy and much poorer with no scores.
There are lots of folks here who will be happy to separate you from your money and give you nothing in return if you let them.
Mojo Hairballs!
Please, oh please don't send that sluts your money!
If you really want the best contact in Kiev, just send three
new hundred dollar bills and 47 kopeks to Puke Boy,
then at 2:00 o'clock in the morning, go downstairs in
the train station and wait next to the used condom
recycle bin for ViagraMars to SMS you a phone number
for his old cleaning woman maid. She has false teeth,
AND a brown glass eye too.
Well, yes, of course, that what the 47 kopeks are for!
Zdarovya!
Hey Maharadjah,
You said the Kiev girl sent you some pics. Are the pics you posted those pics? Which internet chat site did you use? When will you be in Kiev, as I am also planning a trip?
Since we are on the subject of education I thought I would shed a little light on the not so honest world. May you never hear these lines in person.
1. Lap dances....only $5 dollars (don't ever try to figure out how they got more than $ 50 dollars out of you ) you might kick yourself for a long time.
2. Oh! is $16 dollars a drink to much to pay..that's our normal price.
3. Don't I look like a women (actually I look better than a women)
4. (This one kills me) Oh, when you use a charge card the price is more
5 Well, my prices start at $500. If you don't have that much to spend, mmmmh, maybe I could shake you hand for $425.
6. Don't forget this one..."I'll be right back...honest"
How hard is it to get a visa for a ukranian girl who is not rich to the US or canada?
Marc25,
I can only comment about the American part of your question, someone else will have to update you on Canada.
If she is young (under 30) single, not rich, has no relatives in the USA or any other reason to go to the USA such as education, has no real ties to Ukraine such as taking care of parents or children, does not own her own apartment here and probably another dozen or so reasons, then the chances of a visa are ZERO. Forget about it. It is not worth it since ultimately it will end in heartbreak.
The Consulate also now requires a personal interview of all applicants where all the above issues will be fully and completely probed. That wait right now for an interview is from one month to seven weeks if someone applied today. She must file an application and make all payments for the interview (except for the visa itself) that are non-refundable when it is denied. Also a stamp is placed in the Ukrainian passport showing the visa denial and another application cannot be made for at least one year.
It is easier for you to come here. Much much easier.
The only other option is the fiancée visa. That is another story but here the burden would be on you. Plus you would have only 30 days before you either married her or she would have to go back here, or remain in the USA as an illegal. If she does the illegal route, forget about any future fiancée visas or any other request you may have with the Embassy or US Immigration for a very long time. You may also get a visit from the FBI if they go after her.
It is not a pretty picture.
Your Dog,
If you believe in such internet sites here will get such ladies to your door, I have a second bridge I would like to sell you, cheap.
YolkBoy.
I thought she can stay for 90 days, not 30.
Fiancee costs about $1000 to $1200, but have heard some
claim they can get it for less, takes 6 months.
Small price to pay for a 9 or 10 if she's not
goldigger or psycho.
O, sory my dyslexia, can't get yer naim rite.
Uke Boy,
That's shocking reading! Last year I sponsored a visiting Russian woman to France (her brother, a friend of mine, was a PhD student and couldn't do so). All I had to do was promise to cover the cost of her stay (in practice, of course, her bro did it), show that I had an adequate appartment and pay a 40 euro stamp duty. I tried to explain to the immigration official who dealt with the case that the young woman was NOT my fiancee, but she interrupted me with a characterisic candidness: "Monsieur, I do not care if she is your fiancee, your house keeper or your neighbour's mistress. You have promised to pay for her and proven that you can do so. If you renege we'll arrest you. If she commits a crime we'll arrest her. A point, c'est tout!" Indeed... it took Olga 18 days to get her visa from the French consulate in St. Petersburg. No interview was needed.
My guess is New York won't be allowed to host the 2012 Olympics. Countries in the third world wouldn't vote for a location that makes it near impossible for their supporters to even attend the opening ceremony... ;-)
Mangy Cuss,
No problems with the name thing.
Sorry, with so many visa variations, you are right, it is 90 days. However, the cost is actually higher. You will have to prove that you met the lady such as photos of you two together. That means you will have to come here and actually get acquainted first. Of course, in your case Mange, if you sent the photos to Immigration that you have on here, you could bring over all of them!
Those 90 days will be pure heaven to most guys. But once you marry, then hell sets in. 70% of these marriages end in divorce within the first year. In some cases, her expectations (and yours) are usually greater than the subsequent reality and big trouble usually follows.
A WORD OF WARNING: Every lady here, with NO exceptions, knows about US divorce laws, alimony, community property and how to obtain welfare and instant permanent US residency based on filing charges of abuse against you. If you go this route, be very very careful.
It is far better to come here as many times as possible and enjoy the local pleasures than to get wrapped up in that nonsense.
By the way, a 9 or a 10 will cost you even more since she is likely to be a psycho gold digger.
Priamos,
Can't and won't argue with you. The system is set up to keep people out. All of it has been in place since before 9/11 and has gotten even worse and more restrictive since then.
IMHO, Uke boy is 110% correct. Once they have the power ring on their finger (and a piece of paper) the power shifts to them absolutely.
I wish I still travelled in my job, as those were the best times. Freedom to come and go, shag women easily and no real cares about any of it.
I wish y'all good hunting and lots of fun - sometimes promotions can ruin your life and end the good times prematurely.
The reason that the consulates are so tight out there is very simple, just to make the flow of cash out of it..
Just figure out how many hours it will take to get a U.S, Schengen or U.K visa for at least 6 months for any Ukrainian visa with the little help of the exchange of 1000 bucks...
Keep in mind that there's always a backdoor in Ukraine and that's why I know some girls who even have 2-3 international passports at the same time.
We have been through this before Veggie.
I can tell you this, ordinary people here cannot get such visa access for any amount. I know, I have talked with many about this issue and with more than a few who have tried various means and failed. And these are people who know their way about the system here very very well.
While I am sure you are right that visa bribery does go on, it more than likely involves organized crime who work in such areas as [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] for purposes of prostitution and maybe even a slave trade. It is a fact that many Eastern European women (Ukrainians included) end up in places such as Turkey, Cyprus, Japan and in much of Western Europe as prostitutes.
Maybe you can tell us how you know so intimately well this dark side of visa issuance...Please, details...help the rest of us get visas for the ladies as easy as you seem to be able to make it with your in depth knowledge.
Share, please.
All the info and knowledge I've shared so far is out of concrete examples and experience,as I have no possible gain of misleading or making up stories whatsoever.
The issue of visa nonsense is not anything of the dark side,but rather something revealed and apparent to anyone pertaining to the subject.
That's why the chance of any Ukrainian to receive a visa from Western Europe(excluding ex-Soviet countries,Switzerland and Finland) and the States except for very short touristic visas is ZERO.
It's only a matter of making the right contacts at the right time as it happens with everything in Ukraine.
Even any travel agent or rent-apartment company would be more than glad to serve for the purpose..
Veggie,
What you wrote was your usual trash. All nonsense and less than useless.
You know very well you never have shared anything with us except your ego. And we don't want that.
As I said to you in my previous message, we have been through this before. Ukrainians, many of them, DO get tourist and other visas the normal legal way. I very much doubt that you have flown to Western Europe and the USA. I have, and to many cities. Flights from Kiev to and from every major city in Europe and New York and Toronto are filled to capacity in most cases. And in each and every case, at least 70% of the passengers are visa carrying Ukrainians.
I agree you need the right contacts here but getting visas through the back door requires the heavy duty type to help. That means one of two routes here, a very high government official, and that is prohibitively expensive for most people, or organized crime, expensive and very difficult to find the right person. As a rule, they don't advertise.
For what purpose a travel agent or apartment rental company serves in your posting, I don't even want to know.
Your previous post and earlier posts from this year boasted about that you knew the process of getting visas and passports through the back door. So tell us how, exactly, that you do it that it is so simple for you.
Marc,
UKE BOY is correct that is just the way it is in the U.S. You must visit her and take pictures. You must write or email her and keep copies as all this has to accompany her to the Embassy. The cost if you and her do it yourselves can be as little as $600 plus air fair for her to here. Time frame is dependant on which service center you live in ie. Vermont may be 6 months Texas 9 and last check Nebraska was close to 12 and this is only after all and I mean every paper is correctly filed.
This lets her visit you for 90 days then it either home for her or to the marriage alter for you.
Now if she has had a visa here before and did not over stay it you may and I mean may be able to get her a tourist visa but highly unlikly.
If you want more info pm me and I can share some sites that explain it in greated detail.
There are only two very simple rules valid for Ukraine:
* It cannot be compared to any other country.
** There are no real facts involved as the line between virtuality and reality is substantially negligible.
What's the point of being there for anyone who's not even aware of the weirdness?
There are only two very simple rules valid for a Vegamars post::
* It cannot be compared to any other from humans.
** There are no real facts involved as the line between his fantasy and his reality are one and the same.
For anyone who is aware of his weirdness, reading or even understanding his posts is a waste of time.
By the way, there is nothing here any "weirder" than anyplace else. 99% of life here is the same as anywhere else. Perhaps, Vega, you could use some real professional help for your problems?
Listen SpoogeToy,
You are failing to recognize that OurFavoriteMartian is always correct
about everything, in his infiniteness, he knows all and sees all with his
amazing all seeing brown eye.
He has shared so many concrete examples of figuring out how many hours
exchanging $1000 6 month Schengen passports, that no one can understand
why its just not perfectly clear to you.
Its also perfectly simple to comprehend Vagina's many backdoor cash flow girls, and their meaningless darkside does not mislead his possible gains.
Everyone else here on WSG trusts his judgement that is what Ukraine is all about, just having a travel apartment agent being there at the right time.
Maybe if you would just spend less time on earth, you could finally begin to know and honor how the negligible facts between his virtuality always seem to support the apparency of his subjects.
This is a cross posting from the "general" board, but it refers to apartments in Kiev.... and besides someone needs to change the subject and introduce some factual material.
Gents, I have a confession to make, whenever people ask about recommended apartment agencies, I always tell them a few that I dont use. Thats cause I wanted to keep my favourite one to myself.
Well they have given me such good service that I feel obliged to publicise them. They are called Edem Club and their web site is at:
[url]http://apartments.com.ua/[/url]
They also do the visa invites for a paltry $30. And if you are into that sort of thing, like most apartment agencies, they also run a marriage agency.
Edem Club wins the prestigious January 2004 Roger Mellie Stamp of Approval (from now on known as the "Zolotoy Hui" award)
Manwich,
What happened to you??? Is our favorite Vegetable your Siamese twin hermaphrodite? Are you two one and the same? Or did you commune with his sprit and it entered your nether regions and took hold of your balls and forced you to write that painful post.
Scary, ain't it, that you can write like him? The only difference was that you almost made sense.
Please don't do that again.
I hope we can now get back to the business at hand...
Business at Hand
I found a new web site today. [url]http://www.barbie.com.ua[/url] It is only in Russian but would seem to be easy to navigate if you know basic Russian. There are 10 ladies listed on the site. "Barbie" herself is a rather hot looking blond. Also good is that the photos seem to be accurate.
Prices are reasonable, $60-$70 for one hour and $250 for the night. As with everything else here, these prices could be negotiated downwards.
I have not tried them yet but one or two I may try in the near future.
dreamed-escort.com and girls-in.net two examples of sites for those looking for top quality
There's always the better option of freebies via sites like date.com or loveme.ru
Space Cadet,
Anyone who comes to Ukraine and uses any site that you recommend, especially dreamed-escort.com and/or girls-in.net needs immediate and intense psychological counseling. They, like you, would have to be crazy to pay 750 Euros or $1000 per day for the same quality they can get for much much less if you tried almost any other site. Gia's girls are only $350 per day and most are just as good as the ladies on these two sites! These two sites of yours are for naïve and desperate fools.
The so-called freebie sites like date.com or loveme.ru are not all that freebie. There are a lot of pros and semi-pros who advertise their wares but at least their prices are more reasonable than those two rip-off sites you mentioned.
Loveme.ru is a problem for most guys since it is in Russian only.
As I've specified, the two sites mentioned are for all those who send me many messages asking for top quality..
All the girls on those websites are from the modelling world and the prices quoted are much cheaper than contacting the modelling agencies directly, as the top agencies like karin and namemodels demand as high as 1000 for just 2hrs.
Agencies like gia and kievescort are on a different category with more regular-type girls with lower prices.
Moreover, uaescort.com and kiev-x.com are also worth trying for reasonable priced independent girls.
On the other hand, all the girls on date.com and loveme.ru are completely regular freebies, as I've experienced to contact and meet many girls from there.( One example is Irina from Kiev-- you can find the details referring to my post in November 2003-- so I'm still in touch with her )
Please be aware that not all the websites ending with ru like loveme.ru is completely in Russian! Some may have English translation programs associated for god's sake..
Martian Chronicler,
You tell a great story. Maybe we will even believe the complete fiction that you have had tons of requests for top quality model prostitutes.
Top quality sex is not some brainless cold skinny model type bimbo who charges you $1000 per day for the privilege of being with her. Her being a "model" does not at all guarantee good sex, at any price. The only guarantee is that you will spend $1000 and you may be the one getting royally screwed.
In my time here, I have been to my share of parties with these models in attendance. I have found them to be utterly a waste of time. I have had my pleasures with two of them, but they have not been any better than anyone else. To be honest, I have had much much better and none have been models of any price.
Let's try this again Mr. Fantasy, kievescort does not exist anymore, it is now kievbeauties.com. Can you read and can you assimilate facts and not repeat your errors?
Please do not mislead as you always do. These date and match sites have a good amount of pros and non-pros who are also listed. I am not sure why you want to get into a pissing contest with me on this issue since anyone who goes to these sites can tell just who is providing the facts and who is just pure bullshit.
The same with the .ru sites. They are all primarily in Russian although some may have limited English pages. Besides, it is meant for Russians meeting Russians and English is not their native language.
Just relax,hoping desperately that you've not missed out any points..
Meanwhile,I'll keep on sharing all the experience and details with the really willing and eager mongerers....
Vegamite,
I am very relaxed and I am sure I have not missed any of your points since you never have any.
By all means, if you are going to share, please do. Just make sure it is relevant and real for the rest of us here on this planet Ukraine.
I see the claws are out and the hissing has started :-)
Anyway Uke Boy I presume you are on the (hallowed) ground and beaming in live from the chocolate factory? Don't waste your time arguing with Vague-amars you've got the keys to the sweet shop (use them) :D The site you recommended looks pretty good so if you decide to give Barbi a spanking, give her one from me :-)
Vegamars, the sites you recommeded do deserve a mention but I think they are well overpriced for most mongers on their way to nirvana! There probably will be people who read this forum who might have that kind of cash lying around but for the rest of us it's going to take a big win on the lottery. Those sites seem to be aimed at people who want their pussy flown in so they don't have to put the yards in themselves.
The fact remains that Ukraine has been blessed with beautiful women and because of this we need to explore every oportunity we can find to succesfully tame our libido's. I'm sure Mangus will be along shortly to explain it in a more dignified manner :D
And now, language tape number 17.
Otherwise known as:
Essential russian mongerers tutorial for Vulva-farts escort sex.
(We got your dignified right here Ludacrisp!)
Dobry vecher, mat' vashu v 3 kresta!
(Good evening, and fuck your mother and 3 crosses too!)
Rad tya videt', zasranets!
(Nice to see you, filthy bitchs!)
Kak sam-to, suchiy potrokh?
(And you, bitchs giblets?)
Huyem grushi okolachivat'.
(Take a swing at pear trees with your prick)
Na huya popu garmon?
(What the fuck does the priest need an accordian for?)
Bez myla v zhopu lest'.
(Crawl in your ass without soap)
Pizda s zubami.
(Pussy with teeth)
And now especially for our friend VelaMints:
Huyishko
(Tiny teenie-weenie little prick)
Huyeglot
(Dick swallower)
Zagloti s yaichkami!
(Take the whole thing in your mouth, and balls too!)
Ot'ebis' ot menya.
(Fuck off, you bore me.)
Tried River Palace. Nice place, but the women really try to overcharge. I was asked for $200. which I quickly refused. It was then dropped to $100. but since she was just a 5 or maybe a 6 in looks I decided to pass. By the way this offer was in US dollars.
just a little glimpse of a freebie from loveme.ru
Who has experience with the agency chance for love? An agency for dating and brides wives from Russia and Ukraine? The pictures are nice but the rates only for the addresses seem to be a little to expensive especially if they are not efficient in the search of a nice woman. Thanks in advance for your advices or experiences with this agency.
just a real photo taken by a monger
Hi,
I will be in Kiev on 26/02 for 1 week.
I have already rent an apartment near the famous place.
If somebody there at this time feel free to PM me.
I will share with pleasure a glass of vodka !!
MR
Mangus Man,
I she from "GiA International Erotic Models Agency"
She is beautiful!
Well its been about a month since I have been able to read about Ukraine here. For whatever reason having trouble bringing up the forum. Oh well. Nice to see the free language lessons by Magnus. Sweet haha
Well not going to make my winter trip to Kiev this year. Sad. Still I am going to make it there this summer. No doubts August celibreating Ukraine independance... Hate to be away for so long. I can imagine whats changed.
I was wondering though, if anyone has any connections in realistate there. Was thinking of making a purchase or so there. Maybe even a flat for myself. I have a few connections, but I want to shop some see if I am over looking anything might be good. Littel off topic I know. Looking for places instead of a peace. Well who says they cannot be connected.
Well happy hunting guys
Hi everybody,
I have been a read only member since autumn of last year. This will change now. I have been in UA 4 times since and very soon I will give you my summed up impressions and advices. I have already made personal contacts to other members via Private Messages and I would like to expand that experience. How about meeting one of you guys in case you are in Kiev like myself between 18th and 22nd of February? Waiting for your replies.
Dear Fellow Members,
I was in Kiev end of January. Have been in Kiev many times and speak a little Russian.
As it was awfull cold I didn't want to pick up a streetgirl at the Kreshatik and as it was rather early in the evening, around 18.00 hrs, gioing to places like River Palace, Modabar etc is not possible. Still closed.
So I looked through the adds in the Kiev Post.
This is a english journal, free in a lot of restaurants, with a lot of info on Kiev and, adds from escort agencies.
But, I want to see the goods before buying so I called several of them.
Everybody answered: all our ladies are beatifull but you can't see them beforehand.
With one exeption: Vice Sisters.Tel +38(097)3540699
So I took a taxi and drove to the adress. Called them in the taxi, handed the phone to the cabdriver so he understood where to bring me.
Not far from the centre but in an unbelievable shaby neighborhood he dropped me.
I told him to wait for 10 minutes and ringed the doorbell.
To make the story short: some nice and some ugl girls.
I chose one, took her to my appartment and we had great sex.Unbelievable.
She did everything. $50 an hour.
I highly recommend this agency.
Please, don't start a discussion about the price I paid.
We have done that before.
If you believe I paid too much AND you have been in Kiev before and paid much lower prices, please send me an e-mail.
If you have an opinion without any experience in that city, keep your mouth shut.
Happy mongfering,
Fleurfleur
Most Agencies are rip offs. 50% of the letters are form letters, 30% are 'girls' just looking for you to send them money for various reason/excuses, 15% are girls who want to see how much you'll spend $ on a date with them and 5% are 'real'. I've had good luck with loveme.ru (free) and dating.com (small fee). While I was in Kiev for 16 days I dated 30 non pro's and 4 pro's from the River Palace. Of the 30 non pro's I dated I only met ten from the internet, the other 20 I met walking the street, globus, metrograd and clubs.
[QUOTE=Suizo ******]Who has experience with the agency chance for love? An agency for dating and brides wives from Russia and Ukraine? The pictures are nice but the rates only for the addresses seem to be a little to expensive especially if they are not efficient in the search of a nice woman. Thanks in advance for your advices or experiences with this agency.[/QUOTE]
Hi all,
Where do you all stay when you go? Any recommendations on GF hotels or appartments in the $50-$75 range? I'm looking for a place in the center that has decent security. I searched past posts but didn't find anything.
armorer,
i do not know how long you have been away from kiev, but if you want to buy real estate, you have waited too long, at least for now. prices have risen at an unbelievable speed. for example, a one bedroom in the center that was selling for $15,000 three years ago was recently sold for $45,000. according to some recent news, prices for apartments last year rose anywhere from 60% to over 100%. the same is true for apartment rentals.
i am not in the real estate business so i cannot figure out why this is all happening and more importantly, when it may end. part of it is pure speculation. given that the vast majority of the population does not even make $1,000 per month as income, i am not sure how long it can be sustained. at some point, i am sure there will be some correction in the situation and prices might level out or even drop but for now, they are only rising.
Catalyst,
I live here so I do not need to look for apartments but there has been much posted on the topic. For example, Roger Mellie, a major Moscow poster and occasional visitor to Kiev in January recommended [url]http://apartments.com.ua/[/url]
Just look on page two of this Kiev forum for his comments.
I just checked their site and there are many apartments in your range. I also recall that many other posters such as Snowy have also contributed much in the same vein.
you have a lot more experience in kiev then i do, but most of the populace of the ukraine doesn't make more then 200-300usd/month. if you are making 1k/month even in kiev you are living large.
look for real estate prices in kiev to keep going up slowly until they spike when the ukraine joins the eu in 4-6 years - there was seemly a small spike after the recent elections. however the ukraine might bust if they can't get a handle on their tax reforms or can't handle capitalism (let's not call it democracy). i'm looking at buying a western 1 br move in on khreshchatyk, i'm figuring around 90-100k. sure i would have love to have bought it 3 years ago for 40-60k but hey, i can just about buy a parking space in the us city i live in for 90-100k and there ain't no river palace around here. ;)
[quote=uke boy]armorer,
i do not know how long you have been away from kiev, but if you want to buy real estate, you have waited too long, at least for now. prices have risen at an unbelievable speed. for example, a one bedroom in the center that was selling for $15,000 three years ago was recently sold for $45,000. according to some recent news, prices for apartments last year rose anywhere from 60% to over 100%. the same is true for apartment rentals.
i am not in the real estate business so i cannot figure out why this is all happening and more importantly, when it may end. part of it is pure speculation. given that the vast majority of the population does not even make $1,000 per month as income, i am not sure how long it can be sustained. at some point, i am sure there will be some correction in the situation and prices might level out or even drop but for now, they are only rising.[/quote]
You missed it (the chance to buy). I was looking to buy in January but prices went up 5k a day.
A 35 square metre (390 sq feet) shoebox just off Khreschatik that was on at 80k was 85k when I went back next day to try to put a deposit on it. Then it disappeared and reappeared 5 days later at 110k. It wasnt fully western, and it wasnt even one bedroom. It was a studio. Moscow Russian money has flooded Kiev in the weeks since Yuschenkos inauguration. Prices have gapped higher. There are not enough places on the market to meet the demand from sudden buyers from Europe and Russia. Just about every place that was for sale, has been bought, and anyone who was thinking about selling is holding on to see when the price rises will stop. There is suddenly no supply.
I dont believe you will get a western place of any size sub 100k now in Khreschatik / Bessarabska.
Come to think of it, if you can actually put down a deposit successfully on a SOVIET quality place within 200 - 300 yards of Khreschatik - Bessarabska - Baseina for sub 100k I would be very surprised.
Came back from two weeks in Kiev a couple of weeks ago, and a fine time it was too. A bit of a strange trip in that I met a girl from Kharkov in 44 on my second night who was in Kiev for a month finishing up her dissertation and hooked up with her the whole trip. I’ve always been of the opinion that there is no point doing this in EE – I don’t go there to meet a girlfriend and there are so many opportunities – but in this case I couldn’t think of any reason not to stay with her – she’s was great looking, good company and a laugh, the sex was great and she was really easy going. Not the most adventurous trip, but definitely as good a trip as I’ve had.
I’ll do a couple of posts since there hasn’t been a huge amount of posting recently, due to evil outside forces! This one is more of survival tips for Kiev which I noticed on this trip and I’ll do one on clubs and bars. I’ll also try and get round to a posting on pricing in RP based on a trip there and some conversations with some of the girls there.
First thing to say is that I’d had really taken on board how small Kiev is. It’s a fairly big city overall, but the action is really squeezed into a fairly small area. If you look back at the forum, you’ll see the same clubs mentioned. It’s not because visitors are boring and are hiding a few gems from others (okay, there is probably a little of this going on!), it’s just there are just a handful of good clubs and bars. More than enough to keep you busy on a trip, but don’t think there are loads of hidden places. I was talking to some students I met and asked where they went, when they didn’t come to the better known clubs – they didn’t have anywhere special. It’s a bit circular for the types of girls you can meet and pull in a club/bar (P4P or freebie) – they’re attracted to the places where foreigners/richer people might go, we’re attracted to the places the girls go.
With that said, onto the things I learnt this trip:
It’s cold in EE in Winter. Anyone who goes and complains about the weather should be slapped. Repeatedly. This said, don’t make my mistake – don’t book an apartment on a hill. Every trip outside of the flat was like a death run. Stay on the flatlands. It snowed on the second day I was there. They were thinking about clearing it 9 days later, but then it snowed again.
You need some sort of mini-torch. CaT’s magnificent genital warts post on the Moscow board makes the best case for this I will ever read, but I was going to recommend them for those renting apartments. I’ve never rented a bad place, but I’ve never rented anywhere where the stairway wasn’t a disaster area – wires hanging out on every floor and no-one seems to have responsibility for maintaining the lights. You get home at 4am, you’ll be glad of a torch so you can see the security key pad and get up the stairs without killing yourself.
Talking of death….the drivers here are insane. I don’t know how I didn’t notice this before. I treasured the moments when the taxi drivers had one hand on the wheel, which was one hand more than they usually had. Exactly at what point on the motorway, in icy conditions does it seem like the right fucking time to change your sim card?! Maybe driving with your knees in the snow is part of the driving test in Ukraine. Wear a seat belt. I got winged in one journey and was glad of the safety measure.
Revolution may have been in the air, but it’s not exactly changed the place. It wasn’t really top of anyone’s mind - it just seems like something fun that happened a few weeks ago. On the plus side, if you’re in the market for an orange hat, scarf or mug, Kiev is a must. Fair play to the international monger though – never one to miss a beat the second most used chat up line overheard this trip (after the compulsory “do you speak English?”) was some comment or question about the Orange revolution – we’re a deep bunch! Special mention goes to some New Yorker trying this approach with some girl in 44 and getting a detailed and impassioned lecture on how Yanukovich had the election stolen – the line you were looking for was “I don’t care, I just want to fuck you”. Remember if you are going to go political, 40%+ voted blue.
Internet – if there is somewhere with a broadband connection, I don’t know where it is. If you think you want 1/2 hour on the net, buy an hour – always double your time as when your initial period runs out, you’ll probably only just have accessed the first address you wanted.
Cab drivers – it’s been said many times before, but I’ll say it again. Agree the price up front. I forgot to do this once and got someone who had clearly learnt his trade from London cabbies. The journey to the restaurant on the other side of the river was 15 Hrv, on the way back he wanted 120! His logic – after midnight prices and an extra charge for crossing the river (what is Ukrainian for “oohh – south of the river at this time of night, guv – it’ll cost you”). Quite magnificently he added the extra 20 on arrival at the flat for snow tax! I was tempted to pay him for chutzpah. I didn’t.
Visas – As far as I can tell there is no change in policy. You need an invite, you need a visa. Rumours persist that you can currently buy a three month visa at Borispol, but I know no-one who has ever actually done this and the guy I had at passport control said it wasn’t possible (although he wasn’t the most communicative of people). I do think things are getting a little more relaxed though. As opposed to a formal invite, I just asked for a confirmation of my booking from my apartment agency – they sent me something in Ukrainian with their company name, my name, the dates of my stay and the apartment address. Completely free and the embassy seemed happy enough with it.
As for the plan to drop the EU Visa needs…I wouldn’t hold your breath. Ukraine business people seem to have some bizarre idea that EU entry should be in the bag within a few years with a guaranteed entry date with 18 months – 2 years. If they are in EU before 2020 I’ll be staggered. Ukraine doesn’t meet most of the basic EU conditions and is unlikely to in the next few years. The way things are with the traditional powers within the EU and the attitudes towards immigration within these countries, I don’t think they’re going to be particularly welcoming of another EE country. Expect the new members to shake their rattle and push hard for UKR entry; expect the old members to get a sledge hammer and put them in their place.
As for the property debate....I think you just need to wait. The market is so out of whack without reality, there has to be a correction in the next couple of years. If there are negative noises from the EU, I can see prices beginning to come down quite steeply. I was looking to buy too with a view to renting initially, but the more I looked into it the worse the investment looked.
This is a mixture of personal observation from this trip, some of my favourites from other trips and a bit of hearsay for the information about nights when different clubs are empty. One caveat though is that the days I’m saying to avoid merely represent advice for people going in Winter – things may well be busier in Summer.
Moda Bar/Mandarin – I’ve tended to avoid this place as my experience is that it’s expensive and I find the layout a bit cold. This trip though it was a bit of a find. I went on Thursday with 3 girls. Entry was expensive for Kiev – 60Hrv – but the ratio of girls to guys was insane – 50: 1 before I arrived! I don’t think I saw anyone other guys arrive the whole time we were there. The quality of girls was really good too – the vast majority were 7’s and above. I would guess the whole place was available for P4P based on the number of coy glances and fairly forward dancing, but what made it so great was that the girls were just out having a good time, with the dance floor pretty full the whole time. The two other guys there were giving a master class on how to get the best deal from hookers in EE – they danced with everyone, brought a few drinks and at no point looked like they were desperate to get laid. This type of attitude completely tilts the tables in your favour; sitting around, being shy and acting as if your desperate to get laid will get you fleeced even if you are the only guy. As the evening went on, I think they could have chosen any girl they wanted and got a freebie or a cheap deal. I have to say this was the only time I regretted being with someone and I’ll have to give this place another try next trip. (I heard that Tuesday and Wednesday here were fairly empty).
Cocktail 111 (next to Hotel Lybid)– nothing really new to say about this place – I still love it. Great mix of normal locals out for a laugh, ex-pats out on a date, single ex-pats, P4P girls, normal girls and great bar staff. The music is awful (although so is much of the music in the clubs) but the atmosphere is always fun and easy going. I’ve read before it can be hard to get in – never, never had any problem, never needed a membership card. Entry is free on most weekdays and is a good option nearly any day of the week (this said it was absolutely empty on the first Monday I arrived). Personally I think it’s worth arriving a bit early here – say 11pm – so you can grab a table or a seat at the bar.
Shooters (22 Moskovska) – this place doesn’t get mentioned too often, but I’ve never had a bad night here. It’s pretty empty Sun-Tues, not too busy but good fun on Wed/Thurs and busy Fri/Sat. At the weekends there is often a queue, but the door people seem to be able to spot out-of-towners and seem happy to usher them straight in. There is some straight P4P action (I think) but it isn’t as obvious as RP or Moda Bar. It’s a good place to try and hook up with a date for another day, although I’ve got first night action here in the past (admittedly on one of these occasions I was hammered, and when I woke up she’d been replaced by her uglier sister. Don’t know how they swapped places). Cheap entry, drinks are okay, music is okay (although if I hear the dance version of either If you’re going to San Francisco or Californian Dreaming again I’m not responsible for my actions) and if you’re going to get anywhere you’ll need to get up and dance. Girl to guy ratio around 2:1.
Opium (1 Saksaganskogo) – didn’t go there this trip, but I’d imagine it’s the same. A good club – excellent music, packed at the weekends, great looking women who can really dance (and, in a rare departure for Kiev, can dance without a mirror in front of them so they can admire how hot they are). Expensive entry and drinks are above average. No obvious P4P action, but if you go for it you can meet girls and get lots of numbers. Again, you’ll need to dance. One for the young and young at heart. Can be picky about entry, especially in the summer when they have guest DJs. Only really worth a visit on Friday and Saturday as far as I know.
Chaikovsky (2 Bessarabska Pl.) – This place is dead in the centre at the end of Khreschatyk. I always read it has some of the tightest face control, but I’ve never had any problem getting in and if it had good face control, I'm not sure mine would be an obvious pass (it may be tougher at the weekend). It’s expensive for entry and drinks and it is, for Kiev, an elitny type (or wannabee) club. This said, some of the women are divine, the music is good and it’s a laugh. From past experience, it’s not an easy pulling place, but not impossible. On the plus side, money really won’t work as a way of impressing (you aren’t rich enough), so you’re just left with your charm and chat up abilities. I like the challenge of this place, although, at least for me, it can be a tough crowd. I'm sure there is P4P and that it’ll be off the chart expensive. Busy enough on most days.
In passing, since we’re in the area, The Wall is a bar just around the corner from Chaikovsky (opposite TGIF). Nothing too special, but a good bar, centrally located with good girl/guy ratio. Good place to make initial contact, and has a smattering of women with sufficiently low morality. Can’t vouch for it at the moment, but was a good place in the summer.
One place which, as far as I know, hasn’t had many mentions and is well worth a visit is Avalon (Leontovitch st). It’s part of a casino complex and the club is only worth visiting on Thurs-Sat (based on hearsay, the other nights are dead). I immediately liked it as the welcoming staff picked me as an out of towner and personally checked our coats ahead of the queue and jumped the queue for us again as we left – always a good thing. Anyway the women there were sensational, it was busy but not packed and the girl to guy ratio was very healthy. Great atmosphere, good music, has an upstair bar which is a bit quieter, drinks are normal price – had a great time on the three occasions we went. If there was P4P action, it wasn’t obvious, but the number of girls there in groups suggested it was a good place to hook up. Again, you’ll need to enjoy dancing and dance music to get the most from it, but I met a couple of Italians who lived in Kiev who swore by the place.
A couple of bars I’ll mention are 44 (Khreschatyk) – well known and just a nice normal bar which is usually busy every night and is worth going early to grab a table. Lots of single groups of women just out for a normal night. Good place to meet girls who you can invite to a club later that night. You’ll need to be prepared for rebuffs too, but this is a good place. On the down side, it often has live jazz music of such poor quality that it makes you want to chew your arm off and beat the musicians with it. Not a fan of bad jazz.
Another place I like is Cafe Opera (51/53 Volodymyrska St.). A pretty standard sports bar, but it’s open late, serves okay food, has a friendly little casino if you like this sort of thing (I do), a couple of pool tables, a big screen for sport and a table football. Nothing out of the ordinary, but a good place for an evening and they play the Stray Cats, which was a good trip down memory lane. From a past visit, I would also add Dino’s but I think it’s shut down and become a restaurant.
Finally, a massage place if you fancy something different. Due to a last minute work commitment, I ended up flying from LA to London to Vienna to Kiev and was knacked by the time I got in. I fancied a massage to refresh and found this place on the web - [url]http://rakuena.kiev.ua/[/url] , which is on Saksaganskogo (and then up 6 flights of stairs). No sex on offer, but I must say the 2 hour body massage was just what was required and was far more intimate than I expected and was well worth the cash. I went again on my last day and whilst the massage was not as intimate (possibly because of the masseuse, possibly because I went for the one hour option, possibly because the main room was busy and it took place in front of huge window without blinds, on show to the whole of Kiev), it was also good. I haven’t got a host of massage experience to compare, but it was thoroughly enjoyable and hit the spot; I’ve spent far more and got far less in the past! In passing, the receptionist speaks some English too.
I'm sure there were some other places, but I'm posted out.
It’s possible that I may have missed the window, but I doubt it. If you take a deeper look at the Ukraine there are still a lot of major issues that need to be resolved to warrant a massive run of speculation of real estate. Simply getting Yushchenko elected is not going to solve their financial crisis, some people I talked to feel that is it simply replacing eastern corruption with western corruption. Sure things look great in Kiev Center or even for the most part Kiev itself, but it is after all the capital. The rest of the country is typical EE. The government has a lot to fix, maintain and upgrade and zero money for it. I am hoping I can find what I want, where I want for 100k. I have a good network of American friends who have been there for a long time, one for ten years another for six. Hopefully that networking will pay off. Otherwise I'll stick with long term rentals. Heck, getting a small apartment in Kiev center has to be a lot cheaper then my small Villa on the Costa del Sol in Spain.
Anyone who pays 110k for a studio in Kiev is insane. Did it sell? Or was the owner fishing? How many other properties did you look at? How many different real estate agents did you use? My friends who both own several pieces of property in Kiev seemed quite sure about the pricing, this was around Feb 1st. I’m hardly an expert on Kiev, so I could be wrong.
[QUOTE=Roger Mellie]You missed it (the chance to buy). I was looking to buy in January but prices went up 5k a day.
A 35 square metre (390 sq feet) shoebox just off Khreschatik that was on at 80k was 85k when I went back next day to try to put a deposit on it. Then it disappeared and reappeared 5 days later at 110k. It wasnt fully western, and it wasnt even one bedroom. It was a studio. Moscow Russian money has flooded Kiev in the weeks since Yuschenkos inauguration. Prices have gapped higher. There are not enough places on the market to meet the demand from sudden buyers from Europe and Russia. Just about every place that was for sale, has been bought, and anyone who was thinking about selling is holding on to see when the price rises will stop. There is suddenly no supply.
I dont believe you will get a western place of any size sub 100k now in Khreschatik / Bessarabska.
Come to think of it, if you can actually put down a deposit successfully on a SOVIET quality place within 200 - 300 yards of Khreschatik - Bessarabska - Baseina for sub 100k I would be very surprised.[/QUOTE]
One note of warning, Ukrainian's generally aren't much into service - some might even just call it being lazy.
That said I had decent luck with Ukraine Apartments on my last visit. Good points. Pick up and drop off at the airport went nice and smooth. The location of my apartment on the corner of Shevchenko and Khreschatyk was perfect. The 1 br apartment was western and recently redone. The bad - they gave me the wrong apartment then the one I had reserved. While this worked out better for me they never mentioned or realized it. Maid service that was supposed to take place every 3-4 days never happened at all. The water went out twice and the hot water went out twice (both due to the whole apartment building hot water system being worked on). I called and they said they would send a service tech over (that gave me a chuckle because I knew it was never going to happen). I took one very cold shower until I noticed the small electric hot water heater in the bathroom (it would have been nice if they had mentioned that on the phone). This isn't much of a gripe because one expects utility service disruptions in EE countries but I was annoyed by the hollow and senseless promise of sending a tech out.
I paid $74/night for the apartment and I couldn't have picked a better location if I had been a native of Kiev for 20 years. However if you do go with them don't expect much in the way of service, make sure to check the apartment and make sure it meets with your approval before they leave. I'd have no problem using them again but I might go with agency Uke mentioned in the posting below when I go back to Kiev in May.
[QUOTE=Catalyst]Hi all,
Where do you all stay when you go? Any recommendations on GF hotels or appartments in the $50-$75 range? I'm looking for a place in the center that has decent security. I searched past posts but didn't find anything.[/QUOTE]
Cruiser,
First, let's just stop with the stereotypes. Ukrainians are not lazy. They work very hard, many are brilliant at what they can do to just survive. It is a tough life there for many and "laziness" will kill you.
The real problem is that for 75 years, there was no concept of service, there was no real service industry. I had the dubious pleasure of dining in many Soviet restaurants and service did not exist even in the best ones. This is slowly changing but it will take a long long time to reach standards that many of us are used to in Western Europe or the USA.
You come here, you have got to take the very good (the ladies) with the not so good and the bad. By the way, I am surprised you did not meet with your apartment rental people. You should have tried to speak with them in person about these issues as they happened and not try to do it by phone.
There are also problems with the infrastructure that will also take time to correct. That is why getting hot water can be an occasional problem. I have to put up with it from time to time. The water is occasionally shut off in the building if someone is doing a renovation to their apartment's plumbing. After a time, it is almost tolerable, you understand it, and by the way, they do post such shut-offs in the building so it is not a surprise.
All buildings in Kiev have these problems except those that are newly built for very elite prices.
I am glad you chuckled about the service tech. They do come out to visit but these guys are only capable of doing a good job on the spot for extra cash.
Its called "illiquid markets". Its not speculation. Its genuine demand. People are buying Khreschatik to hold, not to speculate.
There are not many apartments in "prime locations" in central Kiev. The hub of where westerners want to buy is small. Where westerners define "the centre" is much smaller than where locals define "the centre". It unikely that in normal times there more than 20 - 30 suitable places in the westerner centre on the market at any given time. Thats fine cause normal demand is similar. But now if you get 200 - 300 people suddenly looking to buy, the 20 - 30 places that were on the market in mid to late January are all taken , and where does the new supply come from to meet the demand. Anyone left with a place on the market ramps up the price. No-one who was thinking of selling at 50 - 60 k in December will sell now even for 100k ... If you have just seen prices double in 2 months, you will happily wait until you see the prices stop rising before you rush to sell. They wont sell while its rising at this rate. You would be mad to.
I know the central Moscow market very well and have seen it develop over the last 5 years. I doubt Kiev will be any different. People who buy in Ukraine are cash buyers. Anyone with that amount of cash spare never sells once they see the market start to go up. Supply gets smaller and smaller and smaller as it is pretty much restricted to old soviet places (where people sell to buy a new modern place further out). What profile do you think sellers have? Would you sell a place on Khreschatik right now if you owned one? So you have to ask yourself "what possible reasons does a Ukrainian with a flat on Khreschatik have to sell now?" They will wait for this boom to slow down and that will only happen if/when demand drops off.
I reckon supply will be very very tight for some time.
And also bear in mind, that unlike London or New York, the idea of changing ownership of real estate is still very foreign. People arent just going to put their place on the market just because its value has doubled. They have lived there every minute of their life. The people who are even capable of thinking about changing ownership is a much smaller pool.
And I dont think demand will drop off either. Hundreds of people, like me, like you, will be keeping in touch with their Ukrainian agents, looking to buy on any significant dip in prices. That alone will ensure prices keep going up. We are not talking about average Kievan apartments here 7 metro stops and a 20 minute mashrutki ride away, we are talking about a handful of ideally located ones. Supply is strcitly limited, and as of one month ago, demand isnt.
I left there Feb 12, after a week in Jan and a week in Feb trying to buy. So it was around Feb 10 that prices were "gapping".
Best of luck to you if you are hoping to buy a nice western quality 60 sq metre place for $75k on Khreschatik. All I am saying is I dont think you are being realistic. In December or early January, yes sure. Now? Forget it.
I'm not saying Ukrainians are lazy, I said some people might. But stereotypes exsist for a reason, no matter what our mothers told us about not judging people. How many Ukrainians do you know that are ever on time? Is it due to centuries of mental and physical oppression, sure. In all the meetings I had with Ukrainians (female and male) only one time was one person ever on time, of course that was the first and only time I was late ;) Hey, I'm from the NE US and I think Southerns are lazy, it's not a bad thing just a regional thing.
What happened wasn't much of an issue for me, I've been in a lot worst places in the world. I'm just trying to hopefully give people the correct impression of what they might expect.
I had a great time in Kiev and I'll be back in May.
And you are right, they do post warnings about the water being shut off. The next day I understood why that letter in Russian was posted on the door...;)
[QUOTE=Uke Boy]Cruiser,
First, let's just stop with the stereotypes. Ukrainians are not lazy. They work very hard, many are brilliant at what they can do to just survive. It is a tough life there for many and "laziness" will kill you.
The real problem is that for 75 years, there was no concept of service, there was no real service industry. I had the dubious pleasure of dining in many Soviet restaurants and service did not exist even in the best ones. This is slowly changing but it will take a long long time to reach standards that many of us are used to in Western Europe or the USA.
You come here, you have got to take the very good (the ladies) with the not so good and the bad. By the way, I am surprised you did not meet with your apartment rental people. You should have tried to speak with them in person about these issues as they happened and not try to do it by phone.
There are also problems with the infrastructure that will also take time to correct. That is why getting hot water can be an occasional problem. I have to put up with it from time to time. The water is occasionally shut off in the building if someone is doing a renovation to their apartment's plumbing. After a time, it is almost tolerable, you understand it, and by the way, they do post such shut-offs in the building so it is not a surprise.
All buildings in Kiev have these problems except those that are newly built for very elite prices.
I am glad you chuckled about the service tech. They do come out to visit but these guys are only capable of doing a good job on the spot for extra cash.[/QUOTE]
So in other words you didn't research the Kiev market, look at different properties or use two or more independent real estate agents? ;) I'll bet you the first round at 111 that apartment you looked at will still be on the market when you go back to Kiev.
The situation in Kiev and the Ukraine is much much much much more different then that in Moscow and Russia. The Russians have/had oil to lube the wheels of progress. All the Ukrainians seem to have is this flash of PR from the Orange Revolution to market their country to foreign investment/aid. The EU has its plate full trying to swallow the EE countries they took on in the last few years. The US has it's hand full trying to ride herd on the rest of the world - I don't think the Ukraine is going to be much of a priority (oh so you are going to Kiev, do you think you'll like it in Russia?)
Old timers will start selling out when they can no longer afford to live in Kiev Center on their pension - that is happening now, regardless of whether they lived their whole live there. For 50, 60, 80k they can buy a very nice dacha in the burbs. The government changed (does government truly ever change, regardless?) the problems of the Ukraine are still there. I really don't see the reason behind a western run on real estate. The only reason why I'm interested is because I'm a slavophile (female), I like Kiev the people and I'm bored. ;) I'm looking to spend 100k for a small kitchen, small bathroom, living room and bedroom, I think it's doable. My whole reason for being involved in this discussion is to find other people's take on the RE market and to offer my own humble opinions.
[QUOTE=Roger Mellie]Its called "illiquid markets". Its not speculation. Its genuine demand. People are buying Khreschatik to hold, not to speculate.
There are not many apartments in "prime locations" in central Kiev. The hub of where westerners want to buy is small. Where westerners define "the centre" is much smaller than where locals define "the centre". It unikely that in normal times there more than 20 - 30 suitable places in the westerner centre on the market at any given time. Thats fine cause normal demand is similar. But now if you get 200 - 300 people suddenly looking to buy, the 20 - 30 places that were on the market in mid to late January are all taken , and where does the new supply come from to meet the demand. Anyone left with a place on the market ramps up the price. No-one who was thinking of selling at 50 - 60 k in December will sell now even for 100k ... If you have just seen prices double in 2 months, you will happily wait until you see the prices stop rising before you rush to sell. They wont sell while its rising at this rate. You would be mad to.
I know the central Moscow market very well and have seen it develop over the last 5 years. I doubt Kiev will be any different. People who buy in Ukraine are cash buyers. Anyone with that amount of cash spare never sells once they see the market start to go up. Supply gets smaller and smaller and smaller as it is pretty much restricted to old soviet places (where people sell to buy a new modern place further out). What profile do you think sellers have? Would you sell a place on Khreschatik right now if you owned one? So you have to ask yourself "what possible reasons does a Ukrainian with a flat on Khreschatik have to sell now?" They will wait for this boom to slow down and that will only happen if/when demand drops off.
I reckon supply will be very very tight for some time.
And also bear in mind, that unlike London or New York, the idea of changing ownership of real estate is still very foreign. People arent just going to put their place on the market just because its value has doubled. They have lived there every minute of their life. The people who are even capable of thinking about changing ownership is a much smaller pool.
And I dont think demand will drop off either. Hundreds of people, like me, like you, will be keeping in touch with their Ukrainian agents, looking to buy on any significant dip in prices. That alone will ensure prices keep going up. We are not talking about average Kievan apartments here 7 metro stops and a 20 minute mashrutki ride away, we are talking about a handful of ideally located ones. Supply is strcitly limited, and as of one month ago, demand isnt.
I left there Feb 12, after a week in Jan and a week in Feb trying to buy. So it was around Feb 10 that prices were "gapping".
Best of luck to you if you are hoping to buy a nice western quality 60 sq metre place for $75k on Khreschatik. All I am saying is I dont think you are being realistic. In December or early January, yes sure. Now? Forget it.[/QUOTE]
Cruiser,
Being on time, or not, I think is just a matter of personal upbringing. I, too, am one of those on-time personalities but in Kiev and Moscow that can be somewhat of a problem with their traffic problems. I guess you could say it is a combination of nature and nurture, not stereotypes. However, to be back on topic, the biggest headache is waiting for ladies to arrive from the various agencies. It is almost always longer than promised. If they say they will be there in 20 minutes, it really means 90 minutes or longer.
As for the real estate issue, there was an article I read in a Ukrainian online news site this morning that forecast an overall price rise of anywhere from 15-25% for this year for all apartments regardless of location or quality. Unless you own an apartment there, that is not good news.
I do want to make one comment about your old folks selling their apartments for better places in the "burbs." You have no concept of what the elderly in Russia and Ukraine have to go through to live on miserable pensions. Living in the so-called "burbs" is the very last thing that they want to do if they have an apartment in central Kiev. Yes, it does look good on paper that they could sell for 100K but moving to a dacha in the outlying areas would likely kill them faster than if they stayed and spent their time in their central Kiev apartment no matter the cost.
However, I do know of two people who taking care of elderly neighbors, paying for their communal costs and other needs, all in return for receiving that apartment as their inheritance once that neighbor dies.
By the way, if you are looking for a small apartment for 50-100K, that is very do-able in areas just abutting Khreshchatik, say with a 2-5 kilometer radius. And these areas are every bit as prestigious, some even more so such as Lipki where prices are much higher than Khreshchatik, where much of the elite lives.
Hi,
I am actually in Kiev. I have landed this morning and the weather is almost 0 degre celsius.
The girls look very sexy and i am going to enjoy them ASAP.
If someone there pm me , we could go to some nice places to see some beautiful dyevs...
MR
An alternative location for a modern apartment would be Pitchersk, which is the center of new downtown not far away from Kreschatik and Padole.
The prices fluctuate between 30000-50000 and it's even possible to find somewhat older apartments on the other side of the river on the way to Borispol for something like 10000-15000.
(Don't ask me why or when or how!!! )
Our resident vegetable who won't answer any questions about how, what, why or where since he wants us to take him on faith alone. If you do, then just be very aware of the dangers. He does not believe that facts and truth are important or relevant, be it with ladies or with real estate.
An article in today's Ukraine online news gave an update on the average prices for apartments in Kiev, the list below is for apartments already on the market, the secondary market, not new apartments. Here is a translation of the average cost per square meter per city region for a one bedroom apartment:
Goloseevsky District 6660 Grivna or $1233
Darnitsky District 4644 Grivna or $860
Desnyansky District 4225 Grivna or $782
Dneprovsky District 5013 Grivna or $928
Obolonsky District 5475 Grivna or $1013
Pechersky District 8380 Grivna or $1551
Podolsky District 5589 Grivna or $1035
Svyatoshinsky District 4876 Grivna or $902
Solomensky District 5121 Grivna or $949
Shevchenkovsky District 7109 Grivna or $1316
So if you are looking for what is an average 60 square meter apartment for a one bedroom, or 645 square feet, you are looking at paying an average lowest price of $46,920 to an average highest price $93,060.
There will, of course, be higher and lower prices depending on the condition of the apartment but the time of $15,000 apartments is long gone, even in the farthest reaches of this city.
I finally booked my flight to Kiev, I`ll be there from may 11 to may 18 with a friend of mine.
I have some questions, maybe the Kiev experts on this board can give me some advice:
- We are planning to book a large apartment in the center of Kiev, and we want to be close to all the nightlife action, what would be the best location? (which street)? we are looking for a place which isn`t to far away from Riverpalace, but to be honest, having never been to Kiev, I don`t even know if Riverpalace is close to the center and the other nightlife locations.
- One of the apartment-rental sites just sent me a message, and gave me the recommendation to change our travel date because of the eurovision song contest taking place in kiev on may 19 and may 21. prices are supposed to be up to 100 percent above normal levels days before the contest starts. does anyone have any information on the situation before the contest, will prices really be exploding?
Axel,
Kiev nightlife is found throughout the city, there really is no real concentration in any one area. You pick a place to live and then travel from there, both near and far.
River Palace is about a 20 minute ride by car from Khreshchatik. It is located on the Dnepr River and nowhere near any housing whatsoever. You have no choice with this place, you must travel to and from it by car.
Your date choice was unfortunate.
Eurovision will give locals the opportunity to raise hotel, hostel, and apartment rental rates to what the market will bear for that time period, just one feature of unbridled capitalism. I suggest you make your arrangements now for the apartment at the best possible price and get it in writing. If you do not, and someone makes a better offer, you may well be looking for a place to sleep in Chernigov. Considering some things that do go on here, even if it is in writing, you still may end up looking for a Chernigov apartment.
I had not thought about it until now but I suspect the professional and semi-pro talent here will also raise their rates significantly with the influx Eurovision attendees, along with the bars, restaurants and other places of entertainment.
You may want to reconsider your travel dates to after Eurovision. I may leave town entirely as well.
Alex,
I have found gotorussia.com to be reliable on several occasions in the past. They are based in the U.S., and I believe a reservation with them would be more likely to be honored. The prices on their web-site for the Eurovision time period is almost 100% more, so this seems reasonable.
Axel
Just to reiterate Uke Boy's sound advice - avoid being in Kiev around Eurovision unless you're a big fan of the show (I'm guessing you aren't) and have deep pockets.
There was an article in the Kiev Post a month or so ago about the current arrangements - or apparent lack of - for the contest. Apparently each host city has a number of pre-conditions put on them as part of being the host city, including making the ticket pricing affordable to locals (apparently this one is not particularly enforced) and things like the provision of something like 4000 hotel rooms at $100 or less within easy access of the contest venue. Organisers admit there are no-where near enough rooms yet, but also say this will be sorted in time although wouldn't give details how. There were still no details of ticket prices or availability and there were a number of other issues - it has all the hallmark of a shambles. Last I heard the ticket sale release date had been delayed again - until ticket information is available, the accomodation picture will stay a little confused as everyone holds off on doing their pricing until they get a feel for demand.
Apartment prices will sky rocket and apartment (and hotel) bumping - something most of the agencies are not particularly shy about doing at any time of the year - will happen as routine as desperate attendees, media, competitors try and get rooms. The city will also be a lot more crowded than it would usually be at this time. All in all it sounds like somewhere to avoid.
It would be nice to think that Kiev would take the opportunity to highlight the city as a tourist destination....it won't. You can guarantee that all walks of life, from taxi drivers to WGs to shops to bars/clubs/restaurants, will do all they can to fleece anyone and everyone. I would also look for an attempt to keep prices artificially at a higher level after the contest to see if they can ring out the last drop of money.
....on the plus side, we are guaranteed that EU members will definitely be able to buy visas at the airport from April onwards......hmmm
As experience has proven on many circumstances, the mongering prices always rise in the upward direction..
The prices in Kiev have been rising for the past 2-3 years as opposed to the stable general prices...
The mongering charges would have skyrocketed anyway, independent of the upcoming song contest..
[QUOTE=Snowy]....on the plus side, we are guaranteed that EU members will definitely be able to buy visas at the airport from April onwards......hmmm[/QUOTE]
I hope this isn't an early April fool ;) . Any further details would be much appreciated, as this could make life a lot easier :D
A few weeks ago, a number of reports surfaced (with direct quotes from members of the government) that Ukraine either definitely would/were examining cancelling visas for members of European Union countries. As I understand it, the main idea was to ensure that visa entry is either not required or massively simplified for the Eurovision song contest. Yushenko has publicly stated that the new EU visa policy would be in place by April.
As always in Ukraine, the story gets cloudy after this. Some stories say this will just be for each summer, some say just for this summer, some say it will be permanant, some say the new system will involve getting a visa when you arrive and some reports say it will be scrapped all together.
As far as I can tell, concrete news is thin on the ground, but I think it is fair to say that the visa policy is likely to be significantly revised for EU members either as a trial or for good. Whether the replacement scheme is any good is another matter. Policy change is one thing, but implementing it so the staff at Borispol can implement it may be another.
Axel (in reply to your PM) - I reckon the only safe policy is to go ahead and get your visa as planned; as things stand today you still need one.
Perhaps someone on the ground in Kiev might know more about all this.
I agree with Snowy that until something actually happens in Ukraine it is all pure theory...
But as for visas, I dont think we mongers should be hapy about an ease in visa policy... it may make our individual lives easier, but it will also open the door for all those weekend mongers etc. that will in the end spoil the market for everybody.
More foreigners in Ukraine means higher prices for all, means that girls will get spoiled and stop giving up sex on a first or second date etc...
So I personally dread the looming "Westernization" of Ukraine...
To Ludovico and all the others, RELAX!!!!
When and IF(!) the visa rules change, believe me, that news will be announced in this forum. Do not believe any wild rumors you may read about this issue elsewhere. Ukraine and the EU are presently engaged in talks to ease the visa rules for Ukrainians trying to travel to the EU. My suspicion is that Ukraine will modify or eliminate its visa rules depending on the concessions the EU is going to make for Ukrainians.
However, for now, if you want to travel here, visit your Ukrainian consulate first for that visa.
Now the price issue. Dr. Skank and another are quite correct about price rises here. It is slowly happening. Right now, it is as a result of the earlier issue of real estate prices. Rentals have also jumped to near-European or US levels so the in-call brothels now are charging slightly more. What used to be a steady $40-$50 per hour for the last 2-3 years is now $50 or $60 per hour. I should also mention that local food and commodity prices have risen substantially as well so that prices across the board have risen or will rise, including the services of the ladies.
Eurovision will only make it worse. What will happen post-event is hard to tell right now. During Eurovision, ladies will attempt to jack up prices to levels not seen here before. Afterwards, prices will fall back but to what level, I am not at all sure. I suspect that for a few months, ladies will use one higher price for foreigners and a much lower price for locals.
If visas for visiting Ukraine are eliminated, that would also be an interesting situation. More weekend-type mongers would mean higher prices. It would also have the effect of keeping more ladies in Ukraine and not travel to Moscow, Istanbul, Northern Cyprus and other places for work. It might also force an increase prices in these and other areas where Ukrainian ladies are working in order to get these ladies to travel there.
Did any one now if the girls on [url]www.prostitutki.kiev.ua[/url] or good, reel, and reliebeil, and if the qulity is also good.
And how is the motch is the $.
And if the girls or independent or a agency.
Thnks
I will be in kive this march 10
HER555,
[url]www.prostitutki.kiev.ua[/url] is a "mirror" site for [url]www.kiev-x.com[/url] The ladies on both sites are identical but in both cases it is a mix of mostly agencies with mostly fake photos and some independents with some real pictures.
In other words, you have to take your chances.
It will also be most likely that the ladies you pick from the photos will not be the ladies coming to visit you or the ladies who will be at their in-call locations. It will then be a matter of personal choice to continue with them or leave.
Prices also vary from $60 to one case of $100 per hour for in-call.
Good luck!
Personally, I tend to agree with Doc Skank (or shouldn't that be Proffessor Skank by now, since he's done so much research :D ). The fewer weekend mongers that can get in the better. I mean just look at what has happened to the Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland and the Baltic countries. Cheap flights to these countries has brought hoards of British stag parties and Italian casanovas. The women in those countries don't want anything to do with foreigners anymore because they know it's bad news. The fact remains however, if visas are scrapped we will have to go and visit the countryside and big towns further east (which is probably something we should be doing now but are too lazy to do).
As for the prices during Eurovision, they are bound to go up but only because the people that go there are too dumb to read this forum ;) . The fact remains however that prices will go down again because after the contest those type of people that pay through the nose just wont be visiting Kiev. Locals and experienced mongers just wont pay those kind of prices. The only situation where I see prices remaining the same are with the agencies, as they have the ease of service and know how to get away with it.
hi guys, I've been a lurker on WSG for ages, but never got around to posting. First of all, thank you all for your wonderful reports, and I must say that I've used alot of your information for my trip planning. (In the spirit of things, and also because I feel terrible about asking questions with any sharing on my part, I've posted a couple of reports on Shanghai, and plan to follow up with more when I can!)
Anyway, I plan to be in Ukraine from about 9-16 May. My time there will be split between Kiev and Odessa. Slightly more time in Odessa. Then I will be taking a ferry from Odessa to Istanbul (hopeing for more adventures there, but unlikely since I'm there to visit old friends).
I have several questions for the old hands at Ukraine. Gia Escorts is one of the few places that have not raised apartment prices in May in anticipation of Eurovision. At least not yet. I hope to confirm with them ASAP. That said, I recall someone posting that Gia issues invitation letters. That is incorrect. In their email reply, they expressly stated that they do not provide this service. Am I writing to the wrong person here? Or have they changed their policy? I'm asking because so far the lowest rate for a visa invite I've found is USD45. Which I find rather high for the mere emailing/faxing of a standard form letter. So any info regarding this would be useful (PS. I'm not from the US or Europe or the ex CIS countries, so I need an invite for the visa).
My other question is on the booking of air/train tickets within Ukraine. How difficult is that for me to do myself upon arrival in Kiev? Or should I get a travel agency to do it for me and to deliver the tickets to me when I'm there? I'm concerned about having to send money for the tickets to a travel agency I've never seen or heard of. Payment by visa would be somewhat preferred as I have the ability to stop payments if necessary. OR if any of you guys have solid recommendations, I would be slightly happier (as opposed to relying on google search!). I ask because I'm considering my options for travel from Kiev to Odessa (overnight train sounds promising. saves a night's accommodation. Apparently it's under USD50 per person on the 1st class sleeper).
Finally, on the question of language and race. I'm a fluent english speaker, and speak EXTREMELY rudimentary russian. Lets just say that it's unlikely that I'd be able to even understand a restaurant menu properly. How much of a problem is that going to be? Or should I brush up on my russian before I go over (figure I still have 2-3 months to pickup a little!). Also, I'm asian (chinese by blood to be exact). Is that going to be a problem there? Discrimination, etc etc?
I'm not too sure that there is that much to be worried about if the visa policy is relaxed, although I'm happy to be be corrected.
Whilst visas are an annoyance, they are not difficult to obtain and really aren't that expensive in the grand scheme of a trip. The key thing that would change somewhere like Kiev from a "specialist" location to a mass weekend venue is surely direct cheap flights. As I recall places like Riga and Tallin relaxed their visa policy sometime ago, but it was the availability of cheap direct flights that made the big difference. (This is the bit I'm happy to be corrected about) I think the cheap direct flights only became possible once Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania et al joined the EU last year - if the visa policy is relaxed, I don't think EasyJet will suddenly be able to offer cheap t flights to Kiev; if they could do it now, I'm sure they would. I can't see that the visa policy holds them back.
Amongst people I know and work with, I don't get the impression that Kiev is a destination they are desperate to go to, denied them by an annoying visa policy. Most people still seem to think Ukraine is a region of Russia.
The other issue, is that the days of dirt cheap mongering prices in Kiev are someway gone; sure the whole place is a lot cheaper than other western cities, but drinks, club entry, accomodation and girls are all not that cheap that I can see thousands of stag nights giving up their current haunts to go to Kiev (actually I see Odessa in the summer as having more opportunity than Kiev in this respect - I can see the outdoor club scene being of more interest).
I share the concern already mentioned, but I don't think there's too much to worry about for the immediate future.
The very last thing anyone needs anywhere, Kiev included, are invading hordes of drunk British and Scottish weekenders. I think what keeps most people away is the fact that the flights are not short hops except from Vienna. London is a minimum of three hours, most other flights from the major European gateways average at least two hours in the air.
With airline fuel costs very high these days, the EasyJet-type costs are just not realistic from an economic point of view. I suspect that even if you did get mass tourism coming this way, such cheap round trip tickets would be in the $150-200 range. Not expensive by today's costs but not bottom of the barrel, either.
The other major issue is the severe lack both in quantity and quality of Kiev hotels. Until there is a significant improvement in this area, which is at least 5-7 years away, there won't be a Prague-like situation with weekend mongers.
Visas will not be scrapped altogether. And it may be a good thing to have a visa, anyway. I suspect that Borispol will have a two-tier entry structure. If you have a visa, you will be fast-tracked through immigration. If you are coming without a visa, you can be sure the bureaucrats will want you to fill out some form either on the airplane or on arrival. Then the immigration officer will have to read it and find all your mistakes and send you back to fill it out correctly. Once you have that filled out and approved, since this is Ukraine, you will also have to then join another queue and pay for the privilege of coming here! By the time you leave the airport, the folks who have come with visas are already enjoying the local ladies!!!
Seriously, even if the visa regulations were altered, don't expect that you will simply get through the airport, it is not part of the mentality here.
I agree with Snowy, prices are going up, but they are still lower than many other places. These "higher" rates are also for one-time meetings. Don't forget that if you use an agency regularly or see an independent pro or semi-pro regularly, prices will drop substantially.
One other point. Kiev is still significantly more expensive than any other city in Ukraine, so going farther afield can be rewarding. The down side there is that the local infrastructure outside Kiev such as hotels and restaurants is also far worse.
I was just wondering if anybody has tried the VIP service at Borispol. Is it worth paying the 400 grivnas for this service? Does it get you through the airport quicker and more efficiently?
Thanks ukebay,
As alyes yoer info. Is good and to the point.
If I will have new info from Kiev I will post.
Ludovico,
I have never done the VIP Service and no one else I know has ever done this. From what I have heard, you avoid standing in the queue for immigration control. You are brought to the border guard ahead of all the others waiting but you still have to present your documents for inspection, the same processing is then performed. You still have to pick up your baggage and you still have to go through customs but, here too, with your escort you will jump any possible queues there as well.
If you have a visa and you are not carrying anything illegal, Borispol is relatively painless. With carry on luggage I have managed to get through sometimes in no more than 10 minutes With checked luggage it is a matter of waiting for the retrieval and that is mostly luck. However, once you have the luggage, the green corridor is also a matter of minutes.
I would rather pay 400 grivnas for an hour or two with a local lady than for something that may save me 15 minutes at most. If your documents are not in order or if you have something not allowed by customs and it is found, this service won't help you avoid the subsequent problems.
Globe Trots,
Some questions about your travelplans in Ukraine.
a) could you buy your own tickets speaking limited russian?
I speak enough Russian/Ukrain to help myself BUT I am not fluently enough to answer the questions the salespeople in the railwaystations ask me when I try to buy a ticket.
So my advice is: either buy the tickets in a travelagency, sometimes you can pay with creditcard or, even better, find a taxidriver who speaks english, let him drive you to the ticketshop at the railwaystation and let him help you.
But, be aware, the number of cabdrivers who speak decent english is limited so you have to try hard to find one.
Moving around in Kiev and Odessa without speaking russian is not difficult.
In most restaurants in the centre menu's in english are available and the staff speaks enough english. At the street, the older people don't speak english, abou 10% of the younger do so, if you need help and want to ask, ask a younger person.
Going by train from Kiev to Odessa is very charming but extremely tiring.
You will be exhausted when you arrive in Odessa IF you can find the righte train.. Next to that, most likely nobody will speak english. Better going by plane, not too expensive. Direct flights OR, going by bus. Busses in Oekraine are faster then trains and, it is much easier to find the right bus.
But again, you need help to buy your ticket. By the way, trains and busses are very cheap. Don't forget to bring your passport with you when you buy a ticket for thr bus or train. You need to show it; your name will be printed at the ticket. This is a relique from the old ages. Enjoy Kiev, beatifull town.
Pay $80 to skip the line?
That seems like a waste of money.
Depending on how many other flights land at the same time as yours,
you may wait 5 minutes or 45 minutes, especially if everyone in front
of you looks arab or Indian, since their papers are usually all fucked up
and they take 10 minutes each to process. Nothing like having a US passport to get stamped in in 30 seconds!
Either way, having a good contact to meet you means they'll sit and
wait for you in the airport lobby no matter how long it takes.
Just try to get as close to the exit door on the airport shuttle bus as you can,
and then bum-rush everyone else to the immmigration door. Trust me, all the Ukraininas do that, especially the babushkas. They'll shove you right into
the wall if you don't walk fast enough!
Again, establishing a good contact in Kiev means all your travel needs are no longer a concern. So forget the bus or train to Odesa. Round trip jet from the Kiev city airport is only about $100, and gets you there in about an hour. And you get the fun of flying on a russian 32 seat mini-jet. And you get to watch the drunk baggage handlers drinking their vodka breakfast at 7 am too. Then wonder if they also did the plane's maintenance? Have some fun!
Well I have been away and had trouble getting onto the forum. First thanks for the info on realistate. Was just wondering on finding a falt somewhere for my stay. Not so sure of the Area. Yeah I wish I had bought one when I first started going to Ukraine. Still I am looking for a nice place for me, just to hang a hat when I visit. Then maybe rent or share with friends who visit. Thats about it.
As for the VIP service. I use it to enter Ukraine, for one reason. I want to get to my flat and do not want the have to wait long lines, or have much trouble. Seems to me to be quicker. On exit it depends on how I feel if I want to sit around and enjoy the lazy life in VIP. ITs nice. Just depends on if you really want to spend the money to be lazy, or not. Me On entry always lazy flying from here in the states, I just want to get to the flat, find a nice girl to ease the tensions from the long flight, and relax.
Well thanks for the tips on places and prices. I'll check back n soon I hope.
[url]http://travel-2-ukraine.com/visa-support/default.htm[/url]
They do invites for $30., or $50 for a double entry
Has anyone got any experience of arriving at borispol around midnight? I bet you could get through the airport pretty quick at that time of night ;) .
Duke Uke'em, you mentioned in one of your posts about in-calls. Does that work the same as the privats in Prague, Warsaw and Moscow etc, where you enter the flat and get to pick from a bunch of girls working that particular shift? Is there a local paper or website where you can find the addresses? This just seems like an option which isn't explored very much on here!
The fact is there must be other options that the locals use, as they can't afford to pay the same prices as the foreigners. I mean do they save all the pretty girls for us, and collect all the dogs for the local boys? If I was a local I wouldn't put up with that :( . Also I guess the mafia must be pretty heavily involved in this sector, or do they just concentrate on shipping girls abroad?
Juschtschenko announcement in german bundestag yesterday: "we think it is in the interest of ukraine to introduce a visa-free regulation for citizens of the european union in a few weeks. we want our country to be on the list of states, where there is democracy and where humanitarian standards are preserved."
[QUOTE=Globe Trots]
Finally, on the question of language and race. I'm a fluent english speaker, and speak EXTREMELY rudimentary russian. Lets just say that it's unlikely that I'd be able to even understand a restaurant menu properly. How much of a problem is that going to be? Or should I brush up on my russian before I go over (figure I still have 2-3 months to pickup a little!). Also, I'm asian (chinese by blood to be exact). Is that going to be a problem there? Discrimination, etc etc?[/QUOTE]
I'm Asian too, speak just three words in Russian (Привет, спасибо, пожалуйста :D) and never had a problem in Kiev. For restaurant, the ones in the center have English menu, ... or just go to McDonald :)
Hey Gandalf!
How's Minsk?
Hey where has everyone been? No one is in Kiev? ;)
I had the Borispol experience again a few days ago. Our plane came in along with one from Tripoli and another from Egypt, along with a Prague flight. The bad news was that the Tripoli flight came in first and so the passport control folks were on their total document inspection. That meant that every Libyan got at least a five minute inspection, and some were taken to another room for additional talks. That meant even more delays for all the rest of us.
Then came the all too frequent Ukrainian surprise. The "immigration forms" that were given to us in the plane, the ones used for the last few years, are no longer valid and everyone who filled one out on the plane had to go back and get new ones to fill out all over again and then stand in the queue again or jump to the front.
Are the new forms any different? No, they ask for all the same information all over again. This time, however, instead of a form with lots of ads and very readable, this one is on very flimsy paper old Soviet style toilet paper, microscopic in its typeface and I would guess many will lose it while they are in Ukraine. All that means is that on leaving, you will have fun arguing with a passport control agent on the way out that you came in legally and were registered! Isn't this a fun place?
For those of you who think that the possible upcoming visa-free travel will be an easy process, I suggest you think again. If there is a way to bureaucratically screw up something potentially good, they will find a way.
By the way, even a VIP passenger would have been hard pressed to get ahead of the queue in this situation.
Customs was another problem since they were also on a full search regime. Everything had to be x-rayed but after that you could still head for the green line.
I still got out in 20 minutes from start to finish but then I also did what most locals do, which is to jump the queues as much as possible.
Ludovico,
You asked about in-calls. Yes, they do exist and they are very similar to privats elsewhere. As a matter of fact, recently someone has come in here and apparently set up a series of such upscale for Kiev privats that have Jacuzzis and saunas along with a number of ladies. The prices for these privats are also higher than then usual crap places that used to be used for such meetings.
Most of these privats are now advertising on such sites as uaescort.com and kiev-x.com as individuals. The pictures you see are mostly fakes, you need to go there and see the ladies, some lovely, some "goblins" as they are called here. They also can come to you and you can make the choice in your hallway or on the street.
The real problem is that at least 90% of the ladies will not speak English. For now the biggest barrier in this area is the language issue.
Locals do use this option but as always, the main point for them is to negotiate the lowest possible price, something not possible for you if you cannot speak the language. And the locals like the ladies lovely as everyone else.
Sounds like I arrived at the same time as Uke Boy and I had to get in line 3 times because of that chaos. Yes, The Mouse is in town and my mongering could be in check because I do have a companion, but we will see what happens.
I have an apartment near Bessarabs'ka (sp) and my first impressions (comparisons with BA) will be posted soon.
Thanx for the help Cruiser,
MM
MM,
OhmyGod, the Mouse is scampering in Kiev. Looking forward to your comparisons with BA, should be interesting. Happy hunting!
The Mouse was off and running last night with 3 Girls (one is special) in tow and we did make it to RP and others. Now I was able to do some recon (pricing etc) and talk to some talent even though I left with my own. This place, Kiev, is something!
I guess the main difference with BA is 1. Pricing and 2. Your personal preference in looks.
A Full report to follow when I get more than 2 minutes alone,
The Mouse reporting
I had problems with the 'new' immigration form too. Except I didn't get one on the plane and had to fill mine out in the immigration hall. I was surprised it was so small and I was even more surprised that any immigration official could read my miniaturized chicken scrawl with anything less then the ability to read english (and chicken scrawl) fluently. The immigration official was surprised to see the new form too - they must have been just making the transition - this was Jan 18th. This was the first time the wave of the blue passport and that I look like a typical American didn't bring anymore then a disinterested shrug. But this is only the 2nd visa country I've been to (not that there are many for Americans), the first being Burma. The paper is a mere formality any ways, they log you in and out of the computer database when you enter/leave.
I don't know what anyone has to complain about getting into the Ukraine. It was a lot easier and quicker then getting back into the US with our ridiculous and ineffective security procedures. But of course it's nothing like breezing in and out of an EU country, the reason being is that they have their security procedures rooted in reality, they profile.
[QUOTE=Uke Boy]
Then came the all too frequent Ukrainian surprise. The "immigration forms" that were given to us in the plane, the ones used for the last few years, are no longer valid and everyone who filled one out on the plane had to go back and get new ones to fill out all over again and then stand in the queue again or jump to the front.
Are the new forms any different? No, they ask for all the same information all over again. This time, however, instead of a form with lots of ads and very readable, this one is on very flimsy paper old Soviet style toilet paper, microscopic in its typeface and I would guess many will lose it while they are in Ukraine. All that means is that on leaving, you will have fun arguing with a passport control agent on the way out that you came in legally and were registered! Isn't this a fun place?
For those of you who think that the possible upcoming visa-free travel will be an easy process, I suggest you think again. If there is a way to bureaucratically screw up something potentially good, they will find a way.
By the way, even a VIP passenger would have been hard pressed to get ahead of the queue in this situation.
Customs was another problem since they were also on a full search regime. Everything had to be x-rayed but after that you could still head for the green line.
I still got out in 20 minutes from start to finish but then I also did what most locals do, which is to jump the queues as much as possible.[/QUOTE]
Anyone who can brings girls to RP, work the talent and then leave with the same girls he brought is my hero. You da man!
[QUOTE=Mickey Mouse]The Mouse was off and running last night with 3 Girls (one is special) in tow and we did make it to RP and others. Now I was able to do some recon (pricing etc) and talk to some talent even though I left with my own. This place, Kiev, is somehting!
I guess the main difference with BA is 1. Pricing and 2. You preference in looks.
A Full report to follow when I get more than 2 minutes alone,
The Mouse reporting[/QUOTE]
here is part one of my kiev travel log. i had ment to keep up on it while i was in kiev on a daily basis, but we all know how that goes. if there is any interest i'll post and finish the rest.
“i am a travel girl, i travel across the world, my only friend is the bus”…thump thump thump…ah, my first night in kiev. i’m sitting in an upscale mobbed up casino/bar/strip club which has some very fine talent on display. including one silicon enhanced blonde, ah perhaps the ukrainians are more advanced then i thought.
but i am getting ahead of myself by about 10 hours or so. let’s start off at kiev’s international airport, which is about 30 minutes outside the city. i disembark from the plane and go to clear customs – ah the ukraine, is it indeed the slavic loving chauvinistic male pig dreamland? i open the door to the custom hall and enter; a 5’4 105 blonde in 4” stiletto heels and a 16” skirt in immigration official green greets and moves me to the proper line. ah yes, i think i’ve come to the right place.
i go up to the male immigration official in the typical small booth. i’m more then slightly annoyed that the wave of the magic blue passport didn’t bring a disinterested shrug and a wave as it has always done in all my travels, with the exception of montreal (i won’t even get into the <insert favorite french ethnic slur>/canadian fake odd hate of americans). from that point on i make an effort to make sure if i’m dealing with anyone in the ukraine that person is female. it pays off for me at the custom desk, where a very attractive but conservatively (for a ukrainian girl) dress girl gets my best american, “how you doing?” – they aren’t showing re runs of friends in the ukraine yet, are they? i’m not exactly smuggling two kilo’s of drugs in my body cavities but i do have around 2,000 usd on me, which is about 1k over the limit. but there is a long line of people that have to declare and no line at the non declaring area (i did say i was american, right?). she asks me how much money i have on me; i shrug my shoulders and say 500 she gives me the disinterested shrug and wave that i look for with all my dealings with immigration/custom officials. good girl. open the door and bang, i’m in the ukraine. i spot the driver with the sign with my name on it; he’s about 15 yards away. i make my way past all the drivers asking if i need a ride, walk to his car and off we go to my rental apartment where i’m about to get my first taste of ukrainian service (you can’t see my eyes roll or the sarcasm in my voice ;) – but i’m a slavophile and this isn’t my first 2nd world country so i have a good idea what i am in for.
after a quick 30 minute drive to the center of kiev in a nice small audi sedan. since the driver understands very little english i spend most of my time studying the countryside. the trip from the airport is typical of a fairly new airport, it belies the eastern european nature of the ukraine; i get the impression that i am in any western european country, until i get to the edge of kiev. construction is everywhere, which is a very good sign. but until i get to the very center of kiev i get a very 1980’s pittsburgh feel – not bad, not good. the very center of kiev is typical of any european city, but yet i feel that something is a bit off. it isn’t until later that i learn that the soviets had destroyed all the old buildings of kiev in order to indoctrinate the people of kiev in the ways of communism – funny how they didn’t do that in moscow, saint petersburg or a number of other russian cities (welcome to pseudo communism).
i couldn’t have asked for a better location for my apartment even if i had the experience of a 20 year kiev native. the location of perfect, it’s right on the corner of the main street in kiev and a few steps from the underground shopping complex of metrograd (which comes in handy during the winter). lenin himself stands guard outside my door, it’s odd in a country that was raped by russia how he is still semi revered, ah, selective history. up i go to the top floor of the apartment building; the elevator which by modern american standards is a bit shabby i later come to find out is quite the status symbol. the entryway is nice but once again a bit shabby by modern american standards. there is someone in a little office/booth about 16-18 hours out of the day, which is nice because for the first two days i had a hard time getting used to the odd combination locks on the 1st and 2nd doors. i tip the driver 5 euros (no need to for euros here), i know that is quite a bit by ukrainian standards, but the driver will probably be the one who takes me back to the airport. i want him to remember me and be on time. inside the apartment i go – very nice but this isn’t the apartment that i had booked online. very nice, fantastic location but no desk for my laptop in the bedroom, no dvd player, no english cable channels, no place to eat except for a miniscule breakfast bar in the kitchen and a oversized coffee table in the living room. oh well, i think the trade off for the location is worth it. as it turns out, the desk in the bedroom would have only gotten in the way (smirk), i can play dvd’s on my laptop, i missed two weeks of superbowl hype and iraqi election/bush inauguration nonsense, not having someplace to eat the few meals i had in the apartment was a bit annoying but ‘oh well’.
i meet the apartment rental manager he’s friendly and nice and gives me a quick run down of the apartment. he didn’t have my rental cell phone with him nor my internet access card. i tell him how important both are to me (after all i can’t work the girls without my tools), he tells me another manager will be by around 6 to drop both off. i gave him 20 usd and sent him on his way. time for a power nap.
at 720 i hear the door buzzer, right on time for a ukrainian. it’s the female rental manager and she is quite attractive. she has both my phone and my internet card. we chat a bit and i mention how nice it would be if i could arrange a tour of someone to show me around kiev. of course i was imply that she should show me around. we end up play phone tag for most of my trip there but could never set anything up. however we did have lunch one day.
it takes me a little while to get my internet card going. this was my first experience with pay as you go internet service and a long time since i had to use dial up. i’m just about finished setting my account up when i get one of the oddest phone calls of my life on my rental cell phone. i pick up the phone and the voice on the other end says (in american), “hello, did you just call me?”. now back in the states i would reply no and hang up but i’m in kiev and an american just called me on my rental phone that no one has the number to. this is just too odd to dismiss. after a little bit of small talk we make plans to meet the next day because i have plans to meet an internet date that night at fridays.
as it turns out my internet date ends up blowing me off, and no, not in that good way. hmm, getting blow off by an internet date in fridays…i look around me, yes people are speaking ukrainian, i’m in kiev, not the us. my apartment is just across the street from fridays so it’s no big deal. i also chatted up a few people at the bar while i was at fridays so it wasn’t a complete waste. so i head back to my place and give my new american friend a call. i get him on the phone and it turns out he had just made plans for the night. but he would be more then happy to meet me at his apartment. leery but game i had for his place which is only a few minutes away.
i make it to his place we talk a bit about his experience in kiev, it turns out he has been there for six years. he asks me what i’m looking for in kiev, i tell him short term or long term, lease, rental or buy i’m game for it all. it seems like he isn’t too much in the p4p scene but is more of a serial dater. he is quite nice and friendly and we end up spending a lot of time working the bars in kiev. but that night he is busy and he has his main girl friend coming over. so he hands me off to two other americans he knows. one of whom has been in kiev for ten(!?) years, i can only imagine what kiev was like in 1994!
we ended up going to the dnipro strip club first, that is what my opening paragraph alludes too. it was an off night (tuesday or wednesday) the place is nearly empty but the talent on the stage is still top notch. i watch a few rotations and settle on this tight body energetic brunette. one of my new friends talks to the waitress and the girl comes over to the table. she was hot, but not the hottest girl in the club, but she had the best demeanor about her. she spoke english ok and after some small talk i finally cut to the chase, she said 400. i replied in amazement, ‘400 what?’ my friends had already told me that the going rate was 300usd at the club so i knew this place wasn’t cheap by kiev standards, but at 400 i could pull talent from a us strip club. sure it would probably only be for a mechanical hour but hey, i already knew i could get anything i wanted at the river palace for 150usd and principal was at stake. besides i like to go p4p with an option that it might go a little bit beyond that and the more i talked to this girl the less i was getting that vibe. besides, she must have been crazy for not being interested in a young good looking american ;). so i sent her on her way after she finished her drink, i paid the parties tab and off we went to the river palace.
ah, the river palace, what can i say about that place that hasn’t been said already. first off, it’s a river boat or i should say river ship, it’s too large to be called a boat. but having a permanently moored ship, boat, barge serving as a casino/bar/club/disco is common in europe. it’s quite nice, about mid scale for an american club/disco. i never went to the casino section of the ship but spent most of my time in the disco and a little time downstairs in the sports bar watching american football during the play off games. the staff was accommodating and almost up to american standards of attentiveness. the selection of girl was quite large and varied. regardless of what anyone else might say i didn’t see or encounter a girl who wasn’t available for p4p. but then again as i already mentioned i am a young handsome american, 150 and me…who could resist ;). i really wasn’t all that interested in being charming or funny to get a good deal, i was however more then willing to be funny and charming for mind blowing sex (and it worked). i’ll never understand why guys go to the rp for anything other then p4p action when there are other clubs in kiev where they can play the big white hunter. during my time in kiev i went to rp four times and had five girls. each experience was better then the first with the last one being a threesome. two of the girl i had were pro’s (one being a kept girl stepping out on her daddy – she said 1k/month didn’t cut it) and three were semi pro’s looking to make a little coin. the threesome was one of the most mind blowing experiences of my life. i woke up around 10 in the morning with two very attractive girls snuggling on either side of me. the living room and bedroom looked like a bomb had gone off. drinking glasses, bottles, clothes and used condoms were all over the place. ah the memories…thank you oksana 1 and oksana 2. however, some of my friends have reported so-so experiences from rp, so beware the caveat; your mileage may vary.
Cruiser,
Keep up with your report. It is always fun to read the experiences of others who come here on short stays. Even we long-timers can always learn a thing or two.
As for the airport experience, Americans do breeze through immigration at home since there is a separate series of officers waiting just for us. All others have to go to another area and then also be fingerprinted and other nonsense that in the end won't help stop any terrorists but will stop some tourism.
I talked about Borispol because it can sometimes be very chaotic, something that you apparently did not experience. Four flights coming into such a small airport at one time, and one of them from a non-European country can lead to very long delays and lines unless you know how to work it. The new customs forms just make it that much more chaotic.
As for that mere paperwork formality, yes, you can lose it and still leave the country. However, be prepared for a ball-busting time from the border guard when you do exit. I have seen it and heard it more than once as I was leaving with others next to or nearby me who lost their forms. They do like to let you know who is in charge at that point...
Cruiser,
Nice report. I am going to Kiev next month. Can you tell me who got you the apartment, phone and internet card and at what rates? I would be interested in them too.
Happy hunting
We arrived at RP around 1:30 am saturday night to drink, dance and have some fun. My companions were a "Special Friend" and two other Ukranian Girls (both married) from outside Kiev who were inexperienced (not my friend) in these matters. We got a table and some cocktails in the disco and proceeded to dance up a storm.
There was a large imbalance of Men to Women (5 to 1) maybe because of' the late hour. The ladies were all about 7 - 8's on this Mouse's scale (I figured the 9's and 10's were already taken) and they were all working. I was quoted a price by two different girls of $150 for whatever I wanted (a couple hours, all night, anything) with the promise of the best sex ever by one of them. I didn't have time to negotiate, but I figured there wouldn't be much negotiation because of the quantity of men.
Overall I was not impressed, but the hour may have had something to do with it. I also prefer a better girl/guy ratio where I am outnumbered, but I was under no pressure since I had my own company. I also checked out the Bar downstairs which was mostly empty with a Band.
I think the "Hidden Gems" here in Kiev are in the restaurants, stores and on the streets because everyone is very friendly and loves to chat. I swear to God there have been a couple hostesses/waittresses that have seriously flirted and this Mouse could not take advantage which is very disappointing.
A return trip is definite when I am alone, available and the weather is better,
Just One Mouse's Opinion & Experience
On my first trip here in January I stayed at Hotel Sonya (.com) on Volodmysrs'ka, but this time I rented an apartment (kreschatiksuites.com)across from Friday's (Bingo!) I agree with Cruiser, that is the perfect spot! Great location and for less money, I can't imagine doing better, everything is right there!
A few things to get use to here if it is your first visit. I speak a couple languages, but the language barrier is much more difficult than what I am use to because you can't read the signs. Negotiating Cab Fares before using them is New to me, but the women . Ah the Women! I have said before it depends on your taste, but if you like the lean look with Legs and High Cheek bones then get your butt over here. The ladies are friendly and many have a basic knowledge of English and Many are Beautiful and Friendly.
The biggest difference I see with BA is the Cost. BA is much cheaper for everything: Women, Wining, Dining, shoppng and transportation. My friend Stormy's apartment on Libertad and Marcelo T in BA costs 1/2 as much as an apartment in Kiev and it is more than two times the size and a little nicer.
The restaurants in Kiev seem to be more diverse and definitely more expensive, especially if you like wine as this Mouse does. But the women .....
I think summers in Kiev and winters in BA (their summer) may have an appeal to this Mouse who likes his cheese, and many different cheeses at that.
Only two days left ...
The Mouse reporting
I used a service called [url]http://www.uaapartments.com/[/url] . The've gotten a bunch of good reviews and one very bad one. I posted a few comments about them. Service was minimal, but that is the way it is over there. But I still enjoyed my stay very much and I wouldn't have a problem using them again. I can't remember the pricing on the phone card or the internet card. It's the same deal as in the west, only a little cheaper. There are kiosks selling the cards all over the place. On Khreschatyk you can't walk 5 meters without coming across someone selling the cards. All the rental info is on their webpage. They sold me the cards at face value.
Also, for all you first timers going to Kiev. I had all my bases covered except for one very important thing - I didn't bring my own unlocked GSM phone and the phone I rented was in Russian. I can't stress how much better it would have been if I have my own phone to PDA the girls. I was juggling 20 non pro's and 4 pro's it got very confusing. ;)
[QUOTE=Peter Pan #2]Cruiser,
Nice report. I am going to Kiev next month. Can you tell me who got you the apartment, phone and internet card and at what rates? I would be interested in them too.
Happy hunting[/QUOTE]
I don't know if my being there in Jan-Feb had anything to do with it. Or the nights I went, two sundays, monday and wednesday. But whenever I went the female to male ratio was always 5 to 1 or higher. I have to agree with you on the scale. lots of 6-8's with very few 9's (10's don't exists in my book). However all there needs to be is one available 8 or 9 for myself ;). I remember watching the AFC championship game in the sports bar. By the time the Pats had wrapped it up it was very very late around 430 I think. I was in such a good mood (I'm from Boston) that I wanted to pull some fun out of there for the night. But I doubted there would be anything left that was worthwhile. Well, fortune smiled on the Pats and me that night. I had just cleared the stairs from the sports bar and spotted this cute little 8 standing 10' in front of me in the hostess area, it looked like she was just leaving or she had just got there. It looked liked she was waiting for me, honestly. The rest is now a good memory (and a phone number when I go back) ;)
Perhaps those more schooled in the mating ritual of the RP can educated us to the migration habits of the females? Is satuday a bad night because they are being ‘normal’ girls at other clubs?
RP was always a good back up plan when things don't pan out at the clubs. I was completely open minded about what I was looking for in Kiev and it includes long term possibilities. It's been my experience that in the US you have a 50/50 shot of getting a girl to give it up on the first date, but in Kiev it's more like a 10% chance. RP is a good way to vent some steam without any fuss or muss. And to be honest, if I'm just looking for a one off, I'd rather go the 'how much' route bag a 8-9 then work a freebie and accrue bad karma.
Is the cute tall blonde still working as a hostess at Fridays? I had my eye on her but it's hard to work a girl when you've brought 20 other girls in and out of the place. ;)
See you in May ;)
[QUOTE=Mickey Mouse]We arrived at RP around 1:30 am saturday night to drink, dance and have some fun. My companions were a "Special Friend" and two other Ukranian Girls (both married) from outside Kiev who were inexperienced (not my friend) in these matters. We got a table and some cocktails in the disco and proceeded to dance up a storm.
There was a large imbalance of Men to Women (5 to 1) maybe because of' the late hour. The ladies were all about 7 - 8's on this Mouse's scale (I figured the 9's and 10's were already taken) and they were all working. I was quoted a price by two different girls of $150 for whatever I wanted (a couple hours, all night, anything) with the promise of the best sex ever by one of them. I didn't have time to negotiate, but I figured there wouldn't be much negotiation because of the quantity of men.
Overall I was not impressed, but the hour may have had something to do with it. I also prefer a better girl/guy ratio where I am outnumbered, but I was under no pressure since I had my own company. I also checked out the Bar downstairs which was mostly empty with a Band.
I think the "Hidden Gems" here in Kiev are in the restaurants, stores and on the streets because everyone is very friendly and loves to chat. I swear to God there have been a couple hostesses/waittresses that have seriously flirted and this Mouse could not take advantage which is very disappointing.
A return trip is definite when I am alone, available and the weather is better,
Just One Mouse's Opinion & Experience[/QUOTE]
Cruiser,
The Tall Blonde is still there and; YES, I would be all over that too if not for the companion. In fact, I am amazed how many hostesses/waitresses are so friendly and talkative, it makes me wonder!?
Kiev/Ukraine is having difficulty figuring out the service industry and the relationship between pricing, service, performance and rewards. Most taxis don't have meters, many restaurants don't give itemized bills and they are very inefficient in the way they do their businesses and care for the customer here. But the Legs and Bodies on these women ...... Yowzer!! Hi Exon!
Have you noticed that most of the small businesses are run by women?
A couple things are for sure when I return: I will make sure the weather will be nice (I'm tired of the Cold), I will bring my own GSM cell phone, I will stay in the same area and I will NOT be limited to Only One kind of Cheese!
Your neighbor,
The Mouse
Mickey Mouse,
Tall Blondes or short brunettes, I get the impression that in warmer weather we will be seeing you again, and more than once.
Those of us long-timers who are here even in the coldest of winters never really seem to notice the weather outside, our eyes as well as mouths and hands and other parts are feasting on the local treasures.
What you are experiencing is a local service industry of the best sort but please try and keep this a secret, we would not want others to know and make this into another Prague.
By the way, this lingering winter weather is not all that usual. It normally is a lot nicer and warmer this time of year.
By the way, if you do forget to bring your mobile, you can buy a local prepaid package with a phone included relatively cheap. In turn, these phones can be hacked here almost anywhere so you then take them home with you for use there. It may be cheaper than renting a local Russianized phone.
Dont rent a phone, just buy a $5 Jeans SIM card and hey presto, you have a local Ukrainian number (Assuming you have a GSM phone). The chicks will be so impressed, they may even call you. A $10 top up for the card lasts a couple of days of heavy local use ... as opposed to $100 a day or so when you use your phone lots with your original foreign SIM card in it.
Internet cards, I am repeatedly told IP Telecom works best in Khreshchatik / Bessarabska area... I was getting a whopping 50.6 kbps connection with them. A $10 card lasts about 15 - 30 hours depending on the time of day you use it. Just remember to configure your modem for pulse dialling, not tone dialling.
Locked phones can be unlocked at a lot of phone shop kinda places for 20-30 UAH.
So Cruiser, did you score that 90k western quality apartment on Khreschatik you were sure you'd find? ;-)
....."So in other words you didn't research the Kiev market, look at different properties or use two or more independent real estate agents?".....
Well Cruiser, I was in Ukraine for 3 separate week long trips within a 9 week period. The first 2 were largely "research". Apartments by day, other things by night. I wasnt surfing the internet in Boston. Why do you think I didnt research the Kiev market? Thats a big call for a guy who only just got there for his first visit.
And how do you get the idea I didnt look at different properties. I saw about 30 actually. Quite familiar with them now even. Did you just make that part up? :-)
As for different estate agents? I really dont think you understand how the market there works at all. As it happens, in the early days, I did use 2 different agents, until I realised all they do is show you the same properties. You see Cruiser, they dont really have their own properties for sale. You agent is an agent for you. They then contact the various other agents around Kiev to see what is on the market and who has anything for sale - the agents there are more like brokers than agents as you might know real estate agents. If a transaction goes through, the buyer pays 5% commission. Half goes to your agent and half goes to the sellers agent. So all your agent or any other agent is going to do is phone around, see what properties are on the market that meet your criteria and show you the same properties.
....."I'll bet you the first round at 111 that apartment you looked at will still be on the market when you go back to Kiev. ".....
You owe me a beer. :-) I havent been back in the last month, but have been told it sold for 105k a week after I left (about 2-3 days after the studio in question had jumped from 80k to 110k)
Further, I was talking with a friend while in Moscow on the weekend, a professional Russian real estate developer who by coincidence had also moved into Kiev in December trying to buy up properties, and she reported a plethora of difficulties nailing down sales. I was jealous in Feb when I left empty handed cause I know she had managed to get deposits down on a few places, but it turns out her deposits didnt add up to much. Vendors are dishonoring deposits because doing so means they can sell again for a much higher price now. So you see Cruiser, the market is not as simple as you may have been led to believe it was. People who do this for a living, locals even (my Moscow friend is a Kiev native) are having all sorts of trouble nailing down purchases at even vaguely reasonable prices.
I used the company mentioned by Cruiser ([url]www.uaapartments.com[/url]). I don't think they are particularly honest, even considering it is kiev. What they advertised and promised was not delivered when i got to the apartment. Also, I had to spend a week in a bedroom without a single functioning light - which they would not fix. Perhaps it was just the apartment.
However, one thing they did do well was provide a phone for my visit. I didn't have a GSM phone but rented one for a few bucks a day from them. It was a pretty good quality one. Though it didn't have credit, despite the promised 15 hryvna. But that's no big deal. That's "little money".
Anyway, others may disagree, but I won't be using these guys services again.
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]I used a service called [url]http://www.uaapartments.com/[/url] . The've gotten a bunch of good reviews and one very bad one. I posted a few comments about them. Service was minimal, but that is the way it is over there. But I still enjoyed my stay very much and I wouldn't have a problem using them again. I can't remember the pricing on the phone card or the internet card. It's the same deal as in the west, only a little cheaper. There are kiosks selling the cards all over the place. On Khreschatyk you can't walk 5 meters without coming across someone selling the cards. All the rental info is on their webpage. They sold me the cards at face value.
Also, for all you first timers going to Kiev. I had all my bases covered except for one very important thing - I didn't bring my own unlocked GSM phone and the phone I rented was in Russian. I can't stress how much better it would have been if I have my own phone to PDA the girls. I was juggling 20 non pro's and 4 pro's it got very confusing. ;)[/QUOTE]
In January I stayed right down town in Kyiv across from O'brians for $70 usd per night and during the inaugeration when to DT was closed to traffic I moved out to vul Lesy Ukrainky near the Central Election Commission for $40 a night .
I plan to go back in May. I wonder who much prices will jump during Eurovision
RM, attached is a cut and paste of some charts on real estate prices from the online Kiev Post. The link is [url]http://www.korrespondent.net/main/115635[/url].
I wish you the best of luck with your real estate ventures in Kiev.
The Primary market: dynamics of the prices for 1 square meter in areas of Kiev in grivnas:
Area 1-roomed apartments
2-roomed apartments
3-roomed apartments
February January % February January % February January %
The Center 8148 8159 -0,1 9780 9441 3,6 8453 8193 3,2
Goloseevsky 5447 5990 -9,1 5813 5989 -2,9 5192 5205 0,3
Darnitsky 4129 3900 5,9 3846 3709 3,7 3513 3415 2,9
Desnjansky 3822 3844 -0,6 3485 3369 3,4 3069 2894 6
Dneprovsky 4889 5338 -8,4 4617 4799 -3,8 4048 4168 -2,9
Obolonsky 4789 4370 9,6 5043 4714 7 4772 4447 7,3
Pechersky 6684 6688 -0,1 7118 6949 2,4 6889 6113 12,7
Podolsk 4023 3855 4,4 6012 5656 6,3 5466 5142 6,3
Svjatoshinsky 4015 3903 2,3 3840 3733 2,9 3412 3321 2,7
Solomensky 4719 4886 -3,4 4460 4666 -4,4 3895 3992 -2,4
SHevchenkovsky 7930 7136 11,1 9544 8678 10 7594 7909 -4
The Secondary market: dynamics of the prices for 1 square meter in areas of Kiev in grivnas:
Area 1-roomed apartments
2-roomed apartments
3-roomed apartments
January February % January February % January February %
Goloseevsky 5772 5598 -3 6660 6753 1,4 6336 6574 3,8
Darnitsky 4781 4850 -1,4 4644 4773 2,8 4349 4355 0,1
Desnjansky 4611 4588 -0,5 4225 4245 0,5 3993 4111 3
Dneprovsky 5364 5121 -4,5 5013 4949 -1,3 4700 4700 0
Obolonsky 5238 5325 1,7 5475 5507 0,6 5186 5343 3
Pechersky 8094 8377 3,5 8380 8878 5,9 9150 9487 3,7
Podolsk 5483 5528 0,8 5589 5628 0,7 5483 5898 7,6
Svjatoshinsky 4792 4791 0 4876 4885 0,2 4476 4856 8,5
Solomensky 5283 5402 2,3 5121 5321 4,7 5259 5271 0,2
SHevchenkovsky 6812 7061 3,7 7109 7632 7,4 8056 8870 10,1
[QUOTE=Roger Mellie]....."So in other words you didn't research the Kiev market, look at different properties or use two or more independent real estate agents?".....
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I take my hat off to you sir. You clearly are the man with the knowledge. I shouldnt have even bothered going to Kiev 6 times in the last year. A simple cut and paste from korrespondent.net would have made me lord of Kievan real estate wisdom without even leaving the safety of my bedroom.
If only I had done that I would have been able to get my western quality 2 room (approx 60 sq metre) apartment on Kreshchatik for $90k ... just like Cruiser did. I mean you did get it, right Cruiser?
Oh well.. at least I won a beer. And can I have one for my friend here too:
I am home now in Sex Prison and I thought I would share some experiences of a "Newbie" to the Kiev scene. Roger, Mangus, Ukeboy, Cruiser et al can share the specifics of pricing, where and for whom (ladies) for those who don't know because my experiences in these areas were limited.
It is always a bit intimidating when one lands in a strange place for the first time so I thought I would share some suggestions to help those first timers.
The Bad:
Kiev, Ukraine and the people have a way to go to join the western world and adapt to the tourist industry. They seem to take 20 steps in 18 different directions in order to take just one step forward (if they are lucky). For the most part, they (People, City and Country) are disorganized and inefficient in most of what they do (ex: customs, service businesses etc). There is also a large portion of society who try to take advantage ($ and GRN) of us visitors and scam us for an extra "buck" when possible. Bring a calculator (if your mind isn't quick enough) and Stay on your toes!
A couple examples:
1. On arrival I had go back to return to the end of the line 2 extra times in order to get through customs. Once because they decided the forms (which I had filled and used in Jan) they had previously been using were no longer good; another because they decided that "Four Visitor Lines" (one I was in) were for a tourist group and No other foreigners (visitors) even though No one had said anything or put up any signs. Keep a sense of humor!
2. Before I checked into my apartment I was quoted daily pricing in $. When I checked in they used 5.4 (not 5.3) to convert to GRN before charging my credit card. Of course I couldn't see the numbers used, just the total they showed my on the calculator. When I realized and challenged them a few days later they blew it off with a stupid excuse, but they were not stupid enough to repeat the same mistake at checkout.
3. Most taxis don't have meters, so fare negotiation is a must before travel. Of course it varies between drivers, time of day, weather conditions and the direction you're heading. Become familiar with the city, it's pretty easy.
4. Many restaurants and and tourist places don't "Itemize" their bills and it seems to me that it is so they can "Pad the Check" when they present you with the total. Be aware!
5. Kiev is not Cheap and doesn't have the bargain pricing that other cities (BA) may have.
Now The Good:
1. Kreschatik (specifically Bessarabs'ka) is "The Place' to be. Everything is within walking distance and right there: Markets, Stores, Restaurants, Bars, Shopping, Women and Fridays (ok, shoot me).
2. The women are beautiful and friendly (freebies are possible), so smile, be patient and don't be shy.
3. What you see on the outside is NOT what you may find inside! Walk in all the doors (lit ones at night) and see what you find, you'll have some pleasant surprises and some great adventures. Be Adventurous!
4. Keep a "Sense of Humor" and enjoy the "Adventure" because it can be a Great Adventure!
5. Changing $ is easy and cheap (<.5%), and ATM's are everywhere.
There is probably much that I have forgotten and dismissed, but please feel free to PM if there is anything you'd like to know.
BTW: Kreschtiksuites.com is recommended and offer many services, just watch their conversion rates.
Until BA in April,
This Newbie Mouse
rm, if the best you could do is a soviet era studio for 110k some where in kiev center then indeed it would seem that you did waste six trips to kiev. how did you know i was in my bedroom, have you been peeking rm?
i'm sorry if your opinion of ukrainians who researched that article for the kiev post is so low you don't think they can tabulate and average a real estate spread sheet. or tell me, does having too much information bother you? of course i'm looking for uber prime real estate so those numbers will be higher for me. but as for a general baseline and for the areas you are looking in i have no reason to doubt the validity of those numbers, do you? also, how did you happen to miss those banners hanging up in bessarabska sq touting 5000grv /sqm? of course the prices are going to keep going up until the speculation busts. but certainly not at the obscene or ridiculous rates you would have us think. at your inflation just hold off until the end of this year. by then the real estate values will be on par with paris, london and nyc.
if you want to spend 110k for a soviet era studio in kiev more power to you. several expat friends that i made in kiev and several girls (no doubt desperately suicidal over my absence) suggested that i move to kiev and make my living there. i replied that i really didn’t see anything that would sustain my economic interest or make it worthwhile over what i currently do in the us. but now i see selling real estate to foreigners might just be my ticket to kiev nirvana and riches beyond my wildest dreams.
also, just so that you can keep your data straight on me, i’m looking for something slightly smaller then 60 sqm in kiev. i like to keep my vacation properties small and numerous.
but honestly rm, i wish you the best of luck with your real estate ventures in kiev, just don’t take any wooden nickels and try not to buy the same place that five other people did that same day too.
[quote=roger mellie]i take my hat off to you sir. you clearly are the man with the knowledge. i shouldnt have even bothered going to kiev 6 times in the last year. a simple cut and paste from korrespondent.net would have made me lord of kievan real estate wisdom without even leaving the safety of my bedroom.
if only i had done that i would have been able to get my western quality 2 room (approx 60 sq metre) apartment on kreshchatik for $90k ... just like cruiser did. i mean you did get it, right cruiser?
oh well.. at least i won a beer. and can i have one for my friend here too:[/quote]
Mouse,
Thanks for your report, it was a pleasure to read, even by a long-timer such as myself. I can only agree with your comments on "The Good" of Kiev and Ukraine. I would also say that your number two in "The Good" is what keeps me here!
Now as for the bad, allow me to make some comments that I hope will help you on your return as well as others who are planning to come here. One personal comment. Having visited many cities around the world both on business and pleasure, scamming visitors is a profession practiced in every corner of the globe, not just here.
Now as for the bad, point for point.
1. When you get into such situations as being sent back to re-write a new customs form or any other queue in ths country, you should insist to the customs agent (or any other form of petty authority) that you be allowed to return to the head of the line once you have the new form ready. It is a common practice here with the locals. All customs agents there, by the way, do have some basic to good knowledge of English so such a request should not generally be a problem. Just be sure to ask politely and not be demanding.
2. The higher conversion rate is common here for many services such as what the local ladies provide. The original quote is in dollars and that is the preferred method of payment. If you pay that amount in Grivna, then if the local kiosk exchange rate is 5.3, they will quote you a rate at 5.4 as an extra percentage for them to re-convert the Grivna into dollars. Same for other services. It really does not amount to all that much but as you did, you can contest the charge.
3. Even taxis with meters sometimes need negotiation. You can actually go somewhere cheaper with a metered taxi if the driver is willing to take your money and not turn on the meter.
4. Most of the better restaurants do give you a computerized itemized bill. The single lump sum method is used in the cheaper older places. I agree, do be careful and keep at least a rough idea of the total in your head.
5. Kiev is not as cheap as one might think for the foreigner and/or the tourist. There are many good and very inexpensive places to eat and drink if you know the language and have been here for a while or have visited many, many times. My guess is that if I went to BA, more likely than not I would have written the same thing as you did about Kiev, as an outsider.
One more point. Can you give us a better url for kreschatiksuites.com. It does not work, at least not here with that address. Thanks again and let us know any more of your thoughts and comments.
You win ... its like having a conversation with a 12 year old.... utterly pointless.
I am not here to debate halfwits.
Ok mate, looking forward to reading about the remainder of your nocturnal Kievan activities, and hopefully seeing some pictures.
The correct site: [url]www.kreschatiksuites.kiev.ua[/url]
Should all this real estate talk be in the General Info section.
I plan on a euro trip next year, for about 6 months. So I generally come in here to see what each country has to offer for entertainment.
Kiev Pages gettin kinde Real Estate firm web site.
Hi guys..
After Orange revolution where gals gone.!!! No action anymore..
Zagor
Hey Zoster!
Didn't you ever learn that if you want something done,
then you just have to do it yourself?
Oh that's right, you're not from the west! Silly me!
Hey IH8 ! What are Handjob-A-z's? Is that Asians?
And you TomCruiseDLoser!
DO NOT even think about dissing our Mell-meister!
R Smelly is a gorilla among mongers, you would
be fortunate to even carry his preservatives around.
You've added nothing here, so take your properties
and go on permanent vacation from the board, ok?
At this point, any more of your drivel and we'll all be
suicidal!
I'm not dissing anyone MM...
Except for a barrage of sometimes questionable pictures your really don't add too much yourself. Sorry for posting information, I'll try to keep my postings inane with eye candy. Oh wait, we already have someone doing that.
In order to keep this forum civil and from descending into bickering this will be my first and last posting in this negative vein.
TomCruiseDLoser, now that was funny, rare but funny.
[QUOTE=Mangus Man]Hey Zoster!
Didn't you ever learn that if you want something done,
then you just have to do it yourself?
Oh that's right, you're not from the west! Silly me!
Hey IH8 ! What are Handjob-A-z's? Is that Asians?
And you TomCruiseDLoser!
DO NOT even think about dissing our Mell-meister!
R Smelly is a gorilla among mongers, you would
be fortunate to even carry his preservatives around.
You've added nothing here, so take your properties
and go on permanent vacation from the board, ok?
At this point, any more of your drivel and we'll all be
suicidal![/QUOTE]
(1) Try and post a reply without quoting the entire previous text. Everyone else here is old enough, smart enough and more than capable of following the relevant references. You are only wasting as much of everyone's screen space as you are of their time.
(2) Are you going to just get on with it and post the remainder of your travel log and some relevant pictures or keep boring everyone with your teenage whining?? We are not here to see you walk around with your dick in your hand. You only exaggerate your irrelevance in taking on Mangus Man... Love or hate his "poetry", the guy has posted more pics on this board than everyone else put together. And he has got them from parts of the Ukraine that you will never have heard of and would be too afraid to go to anyway. So just get on with it.
You better check yourself before you wreck yourself.
This is the WSG, home of the monger.
You want kudos and admiration, then go post on the
World Apartment Guide, where eveyone will fall
all over themselves about your properties, thanking
you for your interesting and pertinent contributions.
Here you'll only find contempt and righteous indignation,
for the time has come for you to go now.
And if this only gives you questions, then perhaps you'd
be more at home in some soapy bath house in San Fagsisco.
Guys I need your help, I will be coming to kiev in the end of april, can any of you recommend a good apartment service !!
thanks in advance
VD
May someone tells if the girls of "stars from heaven" give a good service?
Thank you for your fast help.
Gentlemen,
Winter, as far as Kievan ladies are concerned, is officially over!
I had a few meetings today all within walking distance of each other and all on or near Khreshchatik. For the last two-three days it has been sunny, the snow pack is quickly melting away and temperatures had been at +9C or +10C but today it is closer to +3C.
That means lots and lots of ladies on the streets, in various states of dress or even undress. I saw one very long legged lovely blonde with corn rows in a very short bright pink leather miniskirt and top, plus same colored high boots. I regret I did not have my camera phone with me then. She was licking an ice cream and I very much envied that ice cream!
The outdoor pleasure and viewing season has now begun!
Damn, I knew I came home 10 days too early!
All the girls in Stars From Heaven are carefully selected both in terms of decent character and good service..
If you're lucky enough to make a good selection, the good service might turn into long-term-surprising-enough occasions..
However, it's best to try out for a short encounter of 2 or 4 hrs upon first meeting for the opportunity of possible independent meetings for the future..
I also confirm this is an excellent agency. Girls advertised are real and provide services as stated. There have been several positive reviews of the agency and of some girls in this forum recently (including by myself). Just browse back.
Hello Everyone!
I would first like to thank everyone for the useful information that I found on this website, both for Russia and the Ukraine.
I just returned from a business trip to Moscow, Saint Petersburg, and Novgorod in Russia; Kiev, Odessa, Simperpool (sp?) and several other cities in the Ukraine. Since this business trip was being paid for by a company I was trying to get a contract with, and the main representative seemed to be a "Holier than Though" type of guy, I couldn't be too obvious looking for "company". Plus the entire group (four from the main company and three people also trying for the same contract I wanted) always stayed in adjacent rooms in all the hotels, ate meals together and the occassional after a long day drink together, it was very difficult to "experience" the places we visited. Since it was a normal 12-14 hour work day with traveling to next location on the weekend, mongering was very hard to say the least. I did have a little luck in breaking free in each of the Russian cities for one night each (will put those reports in appropriate sections in near future) and a few lucky nights in the Ukraine. We originally arrived in Kiev on a Sunday and got checked into Hotel Dnipre (SP?) and just my luck, I had the room right across from "Holier than Though". The first day we ate in the hotel and had excellent food both meals, then we were given a little excursion around the city to get us familiar with it, since the winner of the contract will spend a large amount of time here over the next two-three years.
Just walking around this city was pleasant to say the least. Many friendly people, and the ladies were especially friendly and helpful. Since the contract will involve installing computer systems in many universities and other places we were all over the city and I was charmed by many of the ladies we met. One lady even slipped me a piece of paper with her telephone number on it. After four days, we proceeded to Odessa and again I had bad luck with my room location so no dice there either. Although Odessa is smaller than Kiev, I liked it even more on first impression. We spent two days in this city touring the city and job sites. Then we proceeded on a group of 1 and 2 days trips through many other smaller cities in the Ukraine (so many I got confused on which cities we visited and what each city was like). After about ten days of this, working all day and then travelling late in the evening to the next city, I was getting tired and cranky! At one location, which was a pretty small town, but was told it was an important communications hub/port, we couldn't all stay in the same hotel so were split up into two hotels. Finally, my chance! Since I had privacy at last, I explored a little on my own, but didn't find anything P4P or freebie, so I went back to the hotel and decided to have a drink at the hotel bar. Since I was the only customer, I tried talking to the bar tender who was also the desk clerk, but at first couldn't make myself understood. But when a lady walked through the lobby and I almost broke my neck turning to the sound of the high heels, he finally understood! He made a phone call and asked me what I wanted in a girl. With sign language, he understood I wanted a younger lady that was large breasted but a small waist. When I hung up, he told me 1 hour and that he would bring her to my room. I emphasized discretion and he laughed.
One hour latter, a knock on the door and there he was. With two ladies to chose from. The first was approximately 25, short but big breasted, but a little too much meat for my taste. I would rank her a 8 for face but a 6 for body. The second was just perfect! A dark blond about 22, 5'9, slender with Ds or DDs. The face was an 8 and the body was a 9.5. Naturally I chose the 2nd girl. I slipped the guy a tip and he disappeared with the non selected lady. After trying to talk English to the girl, I found out she didn't understand anything. Finally, I found out her name was either Anna or Janna. And she charged 75. So we got down to business. We showered together, with a lot of soapy fun and a bbbj in the shower. She wasn't the most experienced I have ever had but she was still great. We then moved to the bed for some cuddling and trying to make ourselves understood. She played with my little soldier untill she got him to come to attention again, and then started another bbbj. Since she was so clean I DATY and she loved it, but got a little too loud for my piece of mind. So we moved on to 69 until she had a very violent orgasm! After that she really got into the sex. WOW! In one hour, we each at 2. But she still showed no signs of wanting to leave, so I called the lobby and had some wine and cheese and other snacks sent up. She really seemed to appreciate this and really started giving gfe service. After we ate and had a drink, we decided to shower again. Thinking that this was the end of our time together I wasn't in a great hurry. So she again did a bbbj in the shower but much better this time. The surprise came when we got out of the shower and she dried me off and then herself. Then she got back in bed! At this point it was almost two hours since her arrival. DATY again, then some cuddling, more DATY and 69 then more FS then standing FS with her looking out the window and on and on. Six hours later, I was too worn out and just fell asleep. I awoke shortly after daylight and there she still was in the spoon position! I thought to myself that $75.00 for all night was a great rate and with a terrific lady too. I decided to see if she would wake up as a shrew as some women will when they get "poked" in a sound sleep. Not this lady, she was into it even before she woke up! When she did she indicated she wanted a standing doggy again. Then another shower and she wanted DATY and 69 again. Being 55, I didn't know I still had it in me (especially without Vit V). We did everything for about three more hours, then I had to hurry and pack and meet the others from the group. She helped me pack and got her self ready to leave. Since I didn't want to be caught, I decided to pay her and let her leave first. I gave her $80.00 cash and she looked at me funny and shook her head. I thought she wanted more money. I decided to show her that I didn't have much more money and showed her my wallet. She reached in and pulled out 75 gvi and started to walk out. I gave her a tip of 25 gvi more. And she hugged and kissed me and was gone.
The rest of the day was a blur for me. A small town with this kind of service for so little money. What a dream come true! We spent several more days on the road visiting town after town, but no other opportunities presented themselves. After close to three weeks, we returned to Kiev and again checked into Hotel Dnipri. Three more long days of work and then turn in our initial estimates for the contract. Which I am praying I will get.
The company had us booked to leave the next day, but there was some confusion on my ticket (booked on a flight that no longer existed) so I took advantage and stayed an additional two days. When I checked back into Hotel Dnipri, they asked what the problem was and I said that there was a mix up in my reservations and I would be staying an additional two nights. Since my room had not been serviced yet, I moved right back in. I had lunch and pondered where to start my adventure. Since it was still morning the clubs were not an option, so just decided to walk around and try to meet people. I meet several shop ladies but was rejected on a dinner date. Especially since I told them I would only me there two more nights. But I just couldn't lie to them. Then I remembered the slip of paper from the lady that worked in the university. She spoke English quite well, so I called her and asked her for drinks after work and then to dinner. She agreed to meet at 6pm and have a drink or two and then to dinner. One problem, I couldn't remember her name, lucky she gave me her cell phone number and not the office number! At 6pm she showed up and we went to a local bar close to the hotel. She told me she is 32 and has never had any kids but wants them. She had worked for the university for almost ten years and was really looking forward to the computer upgrades. We talked for about two hours about everything, but not once did she mention her name again and I was too embarrassed to ask directly. She is sharing an apartment with three other ladies at the university and said she hadn't dated in several years (maybe a good sign). She asked me how soon I would be starting on the work. I then had to explain that I was just one of four companies bidding on the contract so it was not a sure thing. I don't think she liked that answer, but if I lied it would be a very bad start if this was a start.
We proceeded to dinner, in a small ukranian place that seemed surprised that I was a foreigner. Very good food at a fraction of the the cost of the hotel. After dinner, we went for a walk and she showed me more of the city. When we got too cold, we caught a taxi and went to a bar close to the hotel again. And had a couple of drinks. Everything was progressing pretty good so I asked her if she would come to my hotel room. She seemed offended a little and said that when I came back to call her and we could try again. She made an excuse and left. Still don't know her name.
What to do? To early to go to RP, so I decided to check out a strip club not to far from the hotel. I think it was Club Millineum or something close to that. Very high entrance fee, I think it was 100 but there were real nice strippers there. One really caught my eye, she was a 9 face and a 9.99 body. I keep trying to signal her to join me but she seemed to be ignoring me. When I went to the rest room, I saw her in the hallway and asked her to join me. She said that she was ready to get off work and wished me a good night. Not to bad English either. By this time, I figured that this place would either be too expensive for P4P or was unavailable. Time to check out RP!
A taxi and 25gvi later (I know too much) I'm at the famous River Palace. A small entrace fee and reasonable drink prices. I was a little hungry so got something, mistake! Not good food at all! I was a little disappointed in the disco, it wasn't near as big as I had pictured it and at midnight nothing in there over a high 7. Most 5 and 6s. Then in walked a nice brunette that was a possible 8. I bought her a drink and talked, her English was so - so. And she wanted $300 (US) for the night (or maybe 2 hours). I really didn't like her attitude so I didn't even negoiate. About this time, I am thinking of trying Rest town and start for the door. I just get to the door and in walks the girl I was drooling over in Club Milleneum. I turn around and follow her back into the disco. I immediately start chatting her up and bought her several drinks, her name was Yuly (sp) and she seemed very nice. She got up and danced by herself and she could really move. I decided to dance too and she seemed to like it and we danced for quite a while. We had a couple more drinks and then I suggested that we should have drinks at the bar at my hotel. At first she seemed reluctant but finally agreed. We proceeded to Hotel Dnipri and had a drink in the lobby bar and were the only one in there. We started kissing and playing around on the sofa. Finally we went to my room and had the desk bring up some drinks and snacks. She is in my room and I still don't know how much she is going to charge me, but I decided that I would let her bring up the money issue. She saw the stack of books and my laptop and asked what they were for. When I told her it was estimates for installing computer systems throughout the Ukraine and in three cities in Russia, she was quite interested. She asked me how long this would take, and I said 2-3 years for all the sites. She asked if I would be commuting to the states constantly during that time and I told her not unless the company wanted a face to face meeting and that I would be staying in Kiev mostly. Then she seemed more interested in me and asked me to put on some music. She started dancing and I joined her and it was slow dancing all the way! She had a way of melting into me and moving exactly with me. I was getting real hot at this point and started feeling more and more body area. When I unzipped her dress, she just smilled at me and did a strip tease that ended with her at the bath room door. When she came out she was in her birthday suit and I almost had a heart attack. She had a gorgeous body! At least a C or maybe a D breast, tight stomach and nice ass. After my shower, we took it slow with a lot of kissing, then DATY (which she really loved) a bbbj, 69 and then every postion you could think of. Standing, sitting, lying down, doggy! She was really into it too. We went at it all night and into the morning. We fell asleep in each others arms. The next morning, I woke up with wood and we were at it again. She really loves DATY and couldn't get enough of it. We had breakfast sent up to the room, then lunch. She made a phone call and told work that she was sick and couldn't come in. So we had supper in the room because she didn't want to be seen. But I wasn't complaining. We watched a little TV with her translating for me, and enjoyed each other some more.
During one slow spot she asked me if I would be hiring locally when I started the contract. I told her yes, that I would need to hire an interpreter and some manual labor. She wanted to know more and we got into a long discussion. She asked me if she could have the job of interpreter since she could speak, Ukrane, Russian, English and a little German. I tried a joke that she would also have to keep me warm at night and her reply was "of course"! So now IF I get the contract, I have my first employee! She ended up staying until plane time and insisted that she go to the airport with me. Not once did she ask for any money, but I slipped $300 into her purse and told her it was for refresher English lessions for technical language. WOW! What a woman!
The one funny thing that happened was when I was checking out of the hotel. Mr "Holier than Though" was escorting a very young lady out of the hotel to a taxi! When he saw me, his face became real red and he stammered a greeting and came up to ask why I was still there? I told him about the reservation mix up. I then asked him if he knew the golden rule of all military? He said he didn't, so I said "What happens on the road, STAYS on the road"! I thought he was going to cry, I then introduced him to Yuly (sp) and said that I was also interviewing for a intrepreter IF I got the contract. He smiled big time, then insisted that my extra two days was part of my initial stay and that the company would pick up the tab! Damn! If this had happened in Moscow on the first stop, we could have had a good time chasing women together!
Dear all,
I must apologise, but after having asked for and received advise and information, I am now no longer headed to Ukraine in May. The problems of getting reasonably accommodation and the other price-inflation issues associated with Eurovision make Ukraine increasingly less and less attractive. Perhaps spring/summer 2006.
In the meantime, I will be travelling to Budapest, Brasov, Bucharest and Istanbul, and will do my best to keep some form of travel log and report back when I return home :)
President Victor Yushchenko signed a presidential order today temporarily lifting all visa requirements for citizens of the European Union as well as Switzerland. This in effect from May 1, 2005 until September 1, 2005.
This is a test period only, it is not permanent.
During this time, various agencies will track the results of this change. Also, they will be closely watching what the response will be from the EU and Switzerland, namely looking for their possible easing of restrictions for Ukrainians who want to visit the EU and Switzerland.
Hello,
please can you give some link where I can read about it?
So if I understood well, for EU citizens no need visa to get into Ukraina?
Is it enough only passport?
Really?
It is wonderful!
If you read Russian, here is the link:
[url]http://www.podrobnosti.ua/power/president/2005/03/31/200888.html[/url]
If you know English, the word for word translation is here:
[url]http://www.ukranews.com/cgi-bin/openarticle.pl?lang=eng&id=608889&lenta=po[/url]
I assume reporters from the international press based here will be reluctantly ripped away from the local ladies and will file more complete reports on this in the next few days.
No further additional details have come through as yet. Too early. How they handle this at the national entry points such as Borispol I assume has not yet been determined.
The real devil is in THOSE details!
Gentlemen! Please!!
This is still Ukraine!!!
Citizens of the EU may have gotten visa free travel for the summer, but how that is implemented at the border crossing still has a month to go before any real details or information, if ANY, is forthcoming. It may well be that come May 1 real chaos may be the case at various border points.
You got the good news, now the reality of how it works here will be the key. That may be another story.
I agree, mainly in my case that I will plan to go into Uk. by auto from Slovakia across border of Vyzne Nemecke.
I think I will get visa as normal by agency.
I guess anybody here went to Uk. by auto?
Some info about city of Uzhorod and Mukaceve? Or where I can find some link about these city, hotel and so on? I searched in google without sucsess.
Thanks in advance.
I will, as I did in sp. piter, wrote many posts about it and share with you many foto when I will come back.
[QUOTE=Lukasek]Some info about city of Uzhorod and Mukaceve? Or where I can find some link about these city, hotel and so on? I searched in google without sucsess.[/QUOTE][url]http://meta-ukraine.com/en/?rgn=312[/url]
Better results are in Russian language.
You're gonna have a real adventure while travelling by car..
If you wanna encounter even a real-time thrill, just try to go through Moldova to Ukraine...
Nemez thank you, I will try to find info on this meta.ua.
Vegamars, today morning I spoke with guy from Moldova that works in my company as driver of camion, he need about 2 days from Venice to Kishinev, and they are about 2.100km.
I think in about 13 hour and about 1.200km I will arrive at border Slovakia Ukraina across Slovakia or even faster across Hungary.
I am quite sure that going trough Moldova or travel by auto in Ukraina can be.. thrill but I plan to go not far from border only to have idea how is Ukraina, this is why I will stop in city as Uzhorod or Mukaceve. I have quite cheap car but I won't to come back home by train.. LOL.
It seems you did this travel by car, what about it?
Having recently spent over three weeks in a large van with 8 other people on the roads of the Ukraine, I admire your guts for an over land travel to there!
I would suggest seat cushions and an extra spare tire. While I did enjoy the trip immensely, either our driver was really poor or the roads outside of Kiev have a large number of potholes. During one long stretch, we had not one but two flat tires!
Good Luck on your adventure!
Does your report on the visa change affect business visa requirements?
When we first arrived in Kiev out company guide took us to a government building to get our business visas registered, while relatively painless, there was still the line to deal with. When I come back do I have to go to that same office again, or was that a one time shot?
Thanks
Handyman,
Unfortunately, other than what has been reported, no other information has been forthcoming. And this being Ukraine, it may not come at all or may come September 2 when visa free travel has ended.
If you are an American or Canadian you still need a visa. This visa free travel advantage is only for those who hold EU or Swiss passports.
I suspect that if you are here, even in summer, on official business and you have to deal with government agencies or for any possible reason come across some official who needs a look at your passport and visa or approve or register documents, then the best bet still is to have that visa.
My suspicion is that if you come here on business that has no connection to the government, you can come in without a visa for this summer period if you say you are coming in for a holiday.
If I see any further clarifications on this issue, I will let everyone know.
Uke Boy;
Thanks! Since my business visa is good for five years, I will be okay. The question was more on the need to register with the right agency "every time" I go there. Standing in those long lines are a hassle, even though it is relatively painless compared to the problems we had in Saint Petersberg. Our guide and contact didn't explain whether we would need to do this every time we went or whether we only had to do it once.
Handyman #2
Have a Great Day and happy hunting!
In Kiev and wouldn't meeting up for a tour of RP (newbie). PM if interested.
Europe 74
Hello fellow gentlemen / mongers,
I'm finally coming to Kiev to see/nail all the women you have been talking about, will be there for a week long starting around 21st of April, and will have nothing to do but to hunt for the freebies. If you like to help me explore this town and it's bars, maybe we can land some freebies together, you know, it's always good to hunt in groups after all...
Private Message me if you like,
Traveling Male - "See my reports in Germany's FKKs section"
Any one knows if gia escort agency is still in business? I tried to call the two phone numbers they list on their web site, but they both say "the number is not available at the moment".
Anyone knows?
Thanks
I believe they are still in business.
I received an e-mail with an update of their escorts, a few days ago.
The number of gia in their website doesn t work properly.
Better to send an e-mail to book an model and then they will give you another number.
MR
Hi all, Roger M.,
I've reserved an apartment with [url]http://www.apartments.com.ua[/url] but I got an email from someone called Sergey asking me for a wire transfer for $160 to gurrantee the reservation. He said they don't take a credit card reservation. Is it safe to wire them the money like this? I know several people here have dealt with them before, but I just wanted to confirm this is the way it is done, and it is not a scam given that they requuire a money gram/western union transfer.
Help here is very much appreciated.
By the way their other web site is [url]http://www.edem-club.net[/url]
Roger M, can definitly use your input on this...
TM
Yep Sergey is cool. He doesnt speak a lot of English (the girls in his office are all fluent) but he is totally kosher. He did it for me that way too first time I dealt with him but once he know you and trusts you he just books it on an email ... but since its your first time, its all very normal to take a deposit for the apartment. You can trust him.
They have 2 websites cause they run two businesses... the apartment subletting business (which is secondary) and the main show which is marriage agency (thats the Edem Club part of it). All in the same office just off Khreschatik
[i]> I've reserved an apartment with [url]http://www.apartments.com.ua[/url] but
> I got an email from someone called Sergey asking me for a wire
> transfer for $160 to gurrantee the reservation. He said they don't
> take a credit card reservation. Is it safe to wire them the money
> like this?[/i]
While I seem to remember paying by creditcard with them last year, I suppose that something must have gone wrong since then with processing mail-order payments in Ukraine, prob'bly because the whole thing is very open to fraud and the transactions are probably not permitted by creditcard issuers outside the immediate region. Wouldn't surprise me at all, to learn that it's been stopped. Having said that on the card side, Sergei himself is fine, as are the folks he works with, and they all sorted me out happily and without trouble, despite a few minor changes of plan upon my part. They're ok.
AndyJ.
Dear fellow Mongers,
Thanks to all who helped me so far with their input, well, so far things are looking good, had the apartment reserved, made some contacts with some girls from the internet dating sites, got some numbers, and even called a couple of them from the US today, and how sweet it is to hear those 19-20 yo girls voices on the phone speaking english in their cute accent.
I'll keep you all informed with what happens.
TM
Hey Guys,
Will be in Kiev late summer for about 4 days. Can anyone PLEASE tell me the names and addresses of any girl-friendly hotels, and where is the best part of town to stay in? Also, what clubs are active now, and what about the language, I speak only English? I have added much to the forum in various countries, now I need some info. Thank you.
Everyone I know stays in apartments. Look thru the last 6 months and you will find plenty of short term apartment rental agencies mentioned. As for location, I prefer the area around Bessarabska Ploschad (Bessarabia Square), at the southern end of Khreschatik (downtown main street).
Language ... well Russian is the main language in Kiev. You should however, not have too much difficulty with only English ... but again, its an often discussed topic and the info is all on here, just look thru the posts.
Clubs, the clubs havent changed a lot in the past 6 months, and yet again, all the info is on here, in depth.
Take some time, look back thru the last 6 months of posts and you will have a wide variety of opinions on all the topics in which you are seeking info. All the info is on here.
[QUOTE=Uke Boy]Ludovico,
You asked about in-calls. Yes, they do exist and they are very similar to privats elsewhere. As a matter of fact, recently someone has come in here and apparently set up a series of such upscale for Kiev privats that have Jacuzzis and saunas along with a number of ladies. The prices for these privats are also higher than then usual crap places that used to be used for such meetings.
Most of these privats are now advertising on such sites as uaescort.com and kiev-x.com as individuals. .[/QUOTE]These sites are unfortuneately in Russian, does anyone know of sites in English for escorts in Kiev? Anyone tried these upscale jacuzzis in Keiv, would be interesting to hear thier expereince and recomendation?
Just on flying 3 day visit to Kiev ... This is the only capital city on the planet that you can turn up to, meet a bird you have never known existed and KNOW you will nail her within a few hours - every time you come here. Kiev is first night shag freebie heaven. It is unique.
I wonder if the ease of nailing birds will go by the wayside as Eurovision and the hordes it brings passes though.
I have to post some reviews on some other bars ... namely Stina (The Wall), Viola's Bierstube and Staff Bols Bar ... but they can wait till tomorrow.
Stina (The Wall) is on Bessarabska Pl, opposite Fridays. Its a dark basement bar with a few different rooms and cavities. They serve passable food too. Apparently it was quite the expat hangout a couple of years ago, but its more local now. Good selection of beers (Hoegaarden, De Koninck, Leffe - blonde and bruin - on tap). A more mature crowd than some of the other bars in Kiev. Girls seem more likely to be 28-32 than 18-22. Struck me as a good place to meet a girl for a dark dinner rather than under the non-romantic bright lights of Fridays.
Viola's Bierstube is just 20 yards from Bessarabska Ploschad, and its a small packed place where everyone seems in the mood for a good laugh. Again, its a good place to take a date for a drink. Everyone is happy and smiling and having a good time. Lots of expats.
Staff Bols Bar (also less than 100 yards from Bessarabska) is a fascinating place. Its more like an exclusive little private club that makes cocktails to order than a regular bar. Its a good atmosphere there - feels very private, though better the later you go and the drunker you are. You and your date will leave there drunk. If you want a unique atmosphere and to get your date smashed without speding a fortune, this is a good late night choice. They also have Kalyan. I can vouch for the fact that you and your date can get totally wrecked in there.
None of these places are particularly pick up places, though Violas had a few unattached women in there checking out the expats, so they cant really replace standards like 111 and Shooters, but they are all good places to take dates or birds you met on the internet 3 hours earlier.
Hey Roger
On what sites do you meet those freebies?
Cheers
try ICQ, or dating sites like [url]http://omen.ru/LOVE.HTM[/url]
It has been an eventfull 24 hours for me here in Kiev, landed here yesterday at the airport, went through the customs relatively easy, and the officer who checked my passport she was smiling at me... so I thought this would be a good start.
Outside, had my apartment manager rep was waiting for me with a sign that has my name on it, he then took me to a white hyndai car parked outside, and off we go to the center, trip took about 30-40 mins... my first impression of the city was not as bad as I imagined it would be. We got to the apartment, paid my rent, asked for a mobile phone rental, but was promised to be contacted by someone later.
Well, I was, and the lady on the phone said $5/day... I passed and thought I'd be able to find better deals by shopping down krechatyk st.... Big mistake! almost all shops I stopped by don't speak English, or they don't rent phones... Oh well... should've taken that phone!
Later that night I go to this night club called Arena behind the shopping market and TGIF, and to my surprise, the place is full of girls! and pretty ones too... so I decide to approach this blond and I start talking to her, she doesn't speak English very well, but she grabs my hand and leads me to the dance floor... and off we dance for about a half an hour, then recognizing the language barrier, I opt out of the dance floor, and we both just stand and watch the dancers, then comes two of her friends, one of them is a tall blond who speaks very well English, so I start flirting with her, and we all dance together... then comes the Milion dollar question from the first blond: you like me? I say yes, the she says, "you, me $400!" I start laughing as I wasn't expecting this high of a price and from someone who doesn't even speak English well... I politely decline, her friend though continues to wink and look at me from a distance, but my mind was set on the first girl, I go to her friend and ask her to translate for us, so she gladly does, I offer $150 till 9:00 AM, it was 2:00AM at the time, she translates to her, and to my surprise, she agrees! since I had only Grivena on me, we agree on 800 Gravina, which amounts almost to $150.
We walk out, and since my place was around the corner, I suggest we walk rather than take a cab, and a hoard of little begger boys and girls follow us asking for money! great!, I bet no one here had that experience before, I simply ignore them, but they keep following us all the way... well, after almost getting to the apartment, they finally give up, but boy! I did I have to push and shove my way through them!
Off to the apartment... well, it turns out the language barrier was a real problem, she starts taking off her clothes, what a killer body she had! I try to take pictures, and all of a sudden she gets mad, and she wants to leave... not until I show her that I deleted the pictures from my camera that she decides to stay... sorry guys, no pics on this one! I still manage to have a good lasting session with her, we sleep and wake up and do it again since there was nothing else to do but to f**k, and we couldn't talk much.... Until about 9 in the morning, when she leaves, and I was done by then!
Oh well, good so far, now I try to go hit the shower/Jacuuzi, and guess what? the WATER iS SHUT OFF! errrrrr....
I call the apt mgr, and they say it cut off the whole building, I wind up spending the whole day without water, so I just go to sleep till 3 in the afternoon...
Now it is about 7:00 PM in the evening on Monday, and still no water, and I haven't showered yet!
I guess that's Kiev's way of saying welcome to me! :)
Did I say the girls on the street are extremely hot? :p
Wait, what is that sweet sound coming from the bathroom? brp, brp, brp! Is it water flowing into the vains of this old building again? Wooohaaa, time to clean off, and get ready for a new adventure tonight!
To be continued...
[QUOTE=Traveling Male]
Well, I was, and the lady on the phone said $5/day... I passed and thought I'd be able to find better deals by shopping down krechatyk st.... Big mistake! almost all shops I stopped by don't speak English, or they don't rent phones... Oh well... should've taken that phone![/QUOTE]All shops offer new mobiles for 50 euro + 10 euro for the number.
[QUOTE]I start laughing as I wasn't expecting this high of a price and from someone who doesn't even speak English well..[/QUOTE]The catch is that YOU don't speak Russian ;-).
Maybe prices have come down this year, but in every
shop last year, all the phones I saw were about
$115 to $160 dollars. It has nothing to do with the language,
the price is clearly marked in $Hr.
I hereby nominate the tit-grabbin' Mellster
as this month's Pillager-in-Chief.
Decided to buy a phone, here are the prices of 2 of the cheapest phones from 3 different shops on Krytchatyk street:
Semins: 400 rpH ($80)
Motorolla: 315 rpH ($63)
This is without a SIM card if you have your own (they call it the package :) ) SIM card will cost more, then a recharge of 100 minutes will cost 50 rpH
I know I will be back here again, so this was a good investment! The girl that rented me the phone from the apartment rental office was very very helpful, she even took me down Krytchatic street and helped me shop for a phone, and an international card to call the U.S.... (Which you can buy from the post office by the way near Independence square) what a cool girl, she wasn't as hot though, but still, good company, and very very helpful for a first timer like me who doesn't speak Russian, I then took her for a drink for her help, but I opted for not trying to do any thing further.
TM
Last year I have found without any search a Siemens mobile for about 70 US$ (shop near train station, Celentano-Pizza on the roof).
Best deal would be to buy a used mobile at a market (rinok).
TM, When I was there my impression of Arena was that a lot of kept (or looking to be) girls liked to hang out there. Which is fine in of itself but I went there 3-4 times and never spotted anything that peaked my interest. It's NYC expensive and the food was hit or miss. It was relatively new back then, hopefully it's improved, otherwise it's a pass.
Girls asking for $400 are common because some foreign smuck will/has paid it. But remember the average person makes about $300/month and trust me there is going to be a girl even hotter then the $400 girl who will happily take $150 and rock your world.
[QUOTE=Traveling Male]It has been an eventfull 24 hours for me here in Kiev, landed here yesterday at the airport, went through the customs relatively easy, and the officer who checked my passport she was smiling at me... so I thought this would be a good start (delete most)..[/QUOTE]
FYI:
If anyone is going to be in town late may/june, let me know and maybe we can share a beer or wine or ......
The Mouse will be returning
Two weeks and I'll be back in slavic paradise..I'll be in Kiev from May 5th-16th.
[QUOTE=Mickey Mouse]FYI:
If anyone is going to be in town late may/june, let me know and maybe we can share a beer or wine or ......
The Mouse will be returning[/QUOTE]
Guys,
It is freaking cold here! and it is snowing outside right now!! what's up with that? no said any thing about snow! what happened to the mini skirts I drooled on when I arrived here last Sunday? I miss them, the locals say it is normal around this time for it snow, something about the week before Jewish Easter.
Here is something I had here two days ago to warm you all up :p
[QUOTE=Traveling Male]Guys,
It is freaking cold here! and it is snowing outside right now!! what's up with that? no said any thing about snow! what happened to the mini skirts I drooled on when I arrived here last Sunday? I miss them, the locals say it is normal around this time for it snow, something about the week before Jewish Easter.
Here is something I had here two days ago to warm you all up :p[/QUOTE]TravelingMale, you have great taste on girls, and I am so jealous of you hehe. I wish that I could speak some Russian, so I can have the same trip as many wsg members here. Once again thank you for your great post.
Thx
Its my life: No problem if you don't speak Russian, it would help, but you'd still do well without it, I don't speak Russian at all, and was able to have a good time so far. But it would definitly help very very much if I would've spoken good Russian, better Taxi negotioation abilities, better communication when buying & selling stuff, maybe be able to travel to other smaller cities where no one speaks English, but most importantly, better communication with the devys :)
More pics in the photo section, this was a quickie from River Palace.
Enjoy,
TM
[QUOTE=Mickey Mouse]FYI:
If anyone is going to be in town late may/june, let me know and maybe we can share a beer or wine or ......
The Mouse will be returning[/QUOTE]Mickey,
I will come to Kiev at the end of may, probably on 22nd after Eurovision, with one or two fellow mongers. We have already been in Russia but not in Ukraine. We will be glad to drink champaign with you and dyevs ;-) Also available for other wsg fellow members.
Detailed reports will follow. Do you know how to convince girls to pose for photos ? Are they relunctant, is it easier with a couple more bucks ? Good advices will be rewarded with cool pics :-)
Dant,
Here are some of my techniques for convincing the girls to take good photos:
- Method 1: I used to do some photography work for models and actresses back home, and I see you have a very nice body with model's potential, would you like me to take some really nice pictures of you and see how they come up on my digital camera? (make sure you have a nice digital camera on hand, not just a small dinky phone camera :) )
- Method 2: You know, you and I had such a nice time, I want to take a picture of us for memory... so first take a couple of pics with you in them and show them back to her on your digital camera, then say, oh this didn't come out good, let's take another one... and so on, then once she gets comfortable, and the game becomes fun, she will want to see herself looking beautiful in your camera, so she will allow more and more photos, and it all depends on how smooth you are... simply make up execuses, for example, that the bra is hiding your natural beauty... blah blah blah... , and their goes the bra, then use your smooth skills to fill in the rest... it isn't exactly rocket science, just go with the flow...
Method 3: my least favorite, with no creativity at all.... offer more money! lol
TM
Start off asking them to take a pic of you ... give them the camera and let them take absurd pics of you naked, pose for them and do everything yu want them to do later ... then take the camera back and do the same to them. They are always 100% more willling to let you take pics if they have just done the same to you.
As soon as they are gone, delete the pictures of yourself.
Bringing a tripod and a few spare lenses helps with freebies. Leave them laying about conspicuously and the dyev will surely bring up the topic with an easy line like "Are you in to photography?" or "Are you a professional photographer" at which point its 'game on'.
Just take a picture of yourself first and then take the pic of your girl and then delete your picture, how simple, and street smart ennn !!
Just a question, I being finding an answer for a long time, why all good things that we desired utmost has to sometimes comes from cheating.
Just think someone else does the same thing to you, how would you rate it then.
I thuught the world has changed, its the same medivel times were the strong ruled the weak.
Just do this in our home land america and you know what you up for, Just 'cos East Europe is affordable to the dollar effect. It does not mean to exploit and cheat in just as simple as taking a pic.
Just ask a girl, if she don't like it, forget it.
Just because we seem we are smart, intelligent and powerfull, does not give the right of exploitation.
Common its height of smartness and lack of goodness :)
born loser:
i am probably too drunk and sex-numbed to comprehend your infinite wisdom... but what the fuck are you trying to say?
i humbly suggest that you find a website more "your speed". you are in the wrong place and should take (no) pride in your own self-proclaimed loserdom.
whatever whatever whatever. more porn please.
Confuscius always say: trust man with 524 posts more than loser with 27 posts!
Correct me if I am wrong here, but is someone actually complaining about using psychology to assist in getting pictures taken of naked women? Thats gotta be a first on this website.... the morality of getting women to pose for pictures? I think Skank is right. I think you need to have a think about what websites you choose to view.
Further, I would suggest its bordering on racist that you suggest "we" are smarter and more intelligent than Ukrainian women ... Do you think they are stupid? Do you think they dont have their own reasons for sleeping with foreign guys? Do you think they are so stupid that they dont know what they are doing? Do you think they dont have the intelligence to get what they want out of relationships with foreign guys?
If so, I would point out that there are websites full of divorced Americans, Canadians, Brits, Germans etc who have lost half their life's savings to intelligent Ukrainian women who would strongly disagree with you.
But it you feel anything more than bluntly asking "Pictures, yes or no?" is inappropriate, then I have to assume you are just as 'honest' with your dating technique? I mean why ask a girl out for a date, buy her dinner and drinks when really all you want to do is pump her full of spunk and take pics of her afterwards, anything else is simply being deceptive. You dont really want to buy her dinner. You do it cause it might lead to her kissing you as you walk back down Khreschatik. You dont buy her drinks cause it gives you pleasure. You buy her drinks to get her drunk and to one step closer to getting her in the sack. You dont flatter her with witty conversation and compliments cause you thik she is a great conversationalist in a language she barely speaks, or because you really do think she is the best looking woman in the world. So forget a romantic date, forget the seductive looks and the flirting, the hand holding, the invitation up to the apartment for "tea" ... The honest approach would be something like this.
"Hi there. I couldnt help notice as I walked down the street that you look like a bit of a s1ut. As it happens, I am hoping to be lying naked on top of a s1ut (possibly just like you), sweating away and banging later tonight. Furthermore, I am not particularly fussy about who in particular lies underneath me and has my sperm blasted all over her face as I am a foreigner visiting town for a few days and besides, meaningful relationships give me the creeps - anyone will do really as long as she is young, slim and s1utty - just like you are. So if you like the idea of me naked sweatily pumping away on top of you, practising my bukkake technique on your face, taking pictures of you naked and then posting them on the web, then lets go back to my flat."
Hmmmm ... not sure this honest Indian approach would lead to much success in Kiev. Is that really how you approach your potential dates in Mumbai?
Mr Looser:
Since when flirting with a girl, getting her in a good mood,, making her feel comfortable and relaxed is called cheating? It is what nature has mandated on all gentelmen of this earth to do for its ladies, and most members on this board seem to realize that, those who don't understand it seem to be loosers, and girls call these men names like weired, freaky... you name it, but they all translate to one word: Looser.
nuff said...
Loser just makes a simple point about taking photographs, "Just ask a girl, if she don't like it, forget it". Thats his point of view. Others may want to write essays about the psychology of tricking women into being photographed. And thats there point of view. Personally I find the a simple open and fun request works best. Please note confuscious, many users of WSG change there name every so often, thus the number of reports is often redundant.
Cheers
No it isnt a simple "yes or no" point. It was actually about exploitation if you read the post. What it has to do with exploitation is anyones guess.
[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]
I thuught the world has changed, its the same medivel times were the strong ruled the weak.
Just do this in our home land america and you know what you up for, Just 'cos East Europe is affordable to the dollar effect. It does not mean to exploit and cheat in just as simple as taking a pic.
[/QUOTE]
As for the dollar effect??? What does that have to do with anything? I use the same dating style in the west... and use the same methods for getting pics of wealthy young London women.
If it ain't about "exploitation", then tell me why we haven't come across a single person in WSG who has dared to show his face with a girl in pictures gallery, they paint themselves black in photo shop and depict the women as if a "congressional medal of honor" to us folks, what an achievement, I bow down.
Why you mean to say it isn't about exploitation, may be it is a stronger word, yet it is about it.
Just please if it ain't about it, I'm yet to see a MAN, stand in shoulders with a *****, women, cutie pie, babe from Ukraine pose with you, inline equal to you and dare you post in WSG picture gallery with your face intact:) and with the same pose that the women does to you, you doing the same in full flare of the camera, just like you would love to see the women do, and to all folks who had already posted it and question or think it ain't cheating or exploitation, please remove your blackend face and post the pics as they are....then it would truly be respectful and responsible to the women you doing with, else i fail to understand , why wouldn't you call it simple trickery, cheating, exploitation, Man its less when you do things unknowlingly, its worse when you know it.
And in the same way, if it ain't about dollar effect, why would you not like to do that, we all know deep down, what we doing, so we hide in the cover of dollar power, let the dollar do all the damage we are safe.
Who would read the post in ukraine, these girls are safe, its the "I" that we are concerned about.
what if i post my pic with a women In WSG, what if my work mates see's it, what if my son sees it , what if my wife sees it, what would be my image or whatever, if it ain't for this or more. WHY WE NEED TO DELETE THE PIC WE HAVE TAKEN WITH A WOMEN and then just post the women's pic doing all sorts of pose.
And if it ain't about "morality and prostitution" and not about "sex with minors"
Yeah! yeah! WSG is just a sex guide, why wouldn't Jackson then encourges sex with minors forum, why would he have charities in Argentina.
Blow off your load In Ukraine and Russia, thats what sex guide is all about, those who want to preach morality should be send to africa as fathers to the needy. This really is a wierd world, were morality is not needed there are thousand ready to preach, and whenever a word of doing and thinking good comes, in an unmoral situation, folks try to throw it out.
BTW, As Simon said, when the server was down couple of months ago, I was not able to log in to my user account, so I had to make a new account, as you say black knight the numbers were lost, I would make sure the next time to check if I'm in line for the higest number of posts.
thx.
Please no argue, my fellow miscreants. Who cares? You think any of these girls are sitting over a computer and spanking it to pictures of Patrick Swayze right now? How many people posting on this board have even been to Ukraine? We do what we do and they do what they do. Personally, I applaud Doc Skank, Roger Mellie, and any one of you who posts any pics up. I'd buy any of you degenerate bastards a beer, any day. Keep the reports and pics coming, spaseeba. This board is the best sandbox on the net. We're all here to play in the sandbox. Remember gentlemen: There is to be no fighting in the War Room!
Peace, love, and pizda.
Binky
could the source of current whining be eminating from
the rectal areas of one of jackson's biggest fans,
the so called "victor malarek", author of the gripping
expose' now available in bookstores everywhere for the
modest price of only $26.95.
well, why haven't you nasty mongers had a peek at this
fascinating read? you're really missing something wonderful,
excuse me i have to vomit.
our ingenious writer, whose name is more likely victoria than victor,
was inspired to take a few magazine and newspaper articles and stretch
them out 200 pages to dupe anyone eager to read selacious details
about prostitutes and willing to cough up the cash to buy this trash.
of course the book is all about the newest trend in
mongering, the "natashas", i.e. the greatest injustice
in the annals of all humanity, slavic prostitutes.
in the book, all slavic ladies live in a world of
innocence and beauty and poverty. one should believe
that their only appropriate future is to be destined to a
lifetime being married to a fine slavic man who drinks,
smokes, and beats them.
this is quite preferable than having any western male
desire them, for we will only provide support for their entire
family as we have our way. you see, except for law enforcement
officers, all other individuals of the male species are described
as uncaring bald, fat, smelly, hairy, with bad breath,
and irresponsible, and we always sweat profusely as we
climax our demon seed into the sex slave ladies.
yes though, the ************* is prominently featured in the book as the
primary impetus behind our sinful desire to spoil the motherland's most
precious resource, no, not oil, but the natashas! according to the author,
posting here is solely about boasting how many orgasms we cause our
delicate dyevuchkas to reach, while we enrich russian organized crime
to the tune of billions.
how does this sound? without the wsg, a travleler would be hard pressed to
get laid in a foreign country. now, a stopover in a metropolis is an orgasmic cost-effective sexual smorgasbord! we can't wait to tell our cybersex brothers about our recent sex tours in pornogrphic detail.
but the best part is where we are told that if we truly cared about dignity, we would all pay the prostitutes and abstain from any physical contact with them. this way, we could end the biggest problem in the world today. :-)
At last got membership upgrade so can now post, (was pretty quick really.)
Only found this site a few days ago, and have to say "what a pleasure!!"
Been wanting a trip to Ukraine to explore all the options available for long time, this site has been outstanding so far, thanks for all the links and the info. Was delighted to hear abt the new visa regulations and will make arrangements to visit Kiev/Ukraine asap.
Am well travelled so far with a few EE capitals under my belt, but never had what you guys would call a real mongering expedition yet. Either past buddies too conservative or married, or been with GF.
Any guys intrested in a trip late may or early june ( dates flexible) then let me know if you're in the market for a wingman. Will be travelling from UK or can hook up in theatre.
Will of course be delighted to update all you gents on return...:))
No fighting in the war room-a classic movie indeed.
If you have moral's, what the hell are you doing on this site. Go bible thump somewhere else.
I live in boring ass North America(Canada), the woman are as cold as the weather. Fat girls have attitude here and think they can get any guy. Woman here are spoilt and want to control you. Most clubs/bars you go to are a sausage-fest, so it reaches the point where you do not bother to go out.
So at night I come on here and escape into fantasy land. Has anyone checked the stats on Ukraine, ONE MILLION more woman than men in the 18 -64 age group.
Ah one day i will reach this far a way place.
I think Born Loser 5 is the Mumbai correspondent for the Kyiv Post.
For those of you who wish to be amused, you should read this recent editorial "The Coming Summer Sex Boom" by the Post's senior editor. The link is here [url]http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/oped/22660/[/url]
I guess this editor apparently does not read his own paper. Come to think of it, not many of us here actually read this so-called "newspaper." For those who do not know, the back pages of the Kyiv Post contain a great many ads for "personal services," "escorts," and "massages." I guess the senior editor does not realize (but soon will) that these ads are a very major source of funding for the paper and pay a substantial part of his salary.
Hehehe, It seems to me that this guy is pissed because he wasn't able to get one of the young devuchkas for himself :) . Maybe if he came here he would get the info he was so lacking in his article :D
I also see that the prices for the apartments on ua-apartments has gone up for the summer season. The fact reamains people are making money so all this will never stop.
Just remember 2 things.
All those Kiev Post escort service ads are really just one or 2 "agencies"
with 14 different telephone numbers, operating with the blessing of
authorities due to thier payment of "special fees", in other words,
sharing the money foreigners bring in to the country. The agencies
advertising are for foreginers, locals aren't calling them, so I don't
think anyone's worried about their sisters and daughters, those ladies
are pros.
Mr. Editor seems more worried about seeing the nice freebie/non-pro
party girls grabbed up by tourists instead of ex-pats. Welcome to
Prague/Tallin etc.!
It was always certain that Kiev was going to become a more difficult (or at least more expensive) playing field with time... both for those pursuing freebies and those opting for pros or those like me, who enjoy both.
This was inevitable, we all agree... however the Orange Revolution and Yuschenko's efforts to make Ukraine "Western" have greatly sped up the process. This "negative" development was all very apparent months ago….
I have long lamented that the economic and social "progress" that some posters seem to get all excited about are in fact tell-tale signs that the party is winding down.
Like it or not, more foreigners pursuing pros in Kiev means higher prices and worse service and more groping tourists in Kiev bars and clubs will eventually lead to standoffish girls ala Tallin and Prague.
The girls will still be there though and it isn’t the end of our fun... for example spoiled Moscow women no longer "need" foreign men but there are still plenty of dyevs happy to date and bed foreign guys nonetheless... but the onslaught of sex tourists which seemigly looms ahead will defintely make our task more difficult and will certainly spoil the joys associated with exploring frontier territory.
The freebie game in Ukraine is sort of weird-- there are no certain rules and if there are any, they're certainly to be decided by the women..
While most guys talk about stories of meeting up a couple of girls per day, they're mostly unaware that almost all those girls are meeting a couple of guys in a day.. trying to get the optimum benefit in all ways..
Is it by coincidence that it's so easy to meet new girls and almost every girl you meet are so willing to leave after a few hours of adventure?
Perhaps the most conspicuous scene even more than Kiev is reflected in Lugansk and Donetsk.
The Donbass region is famous for the most beautiful,intelligent and cunning girls who are each dating virtually with at least 10-15 different western guys..
Hence, the area is flooded with so many foreigners who're too naive in believing a new start-up in life.
Of course, the end result is the spending of a fortune and complete disappointment..
In any way, the action will always be supported by the mere attractiveness of curiosity and will of new adventures...
Vega:
I heard some absolute horror stories when I was in Odessa. I got to know some "popular" girls who told me they keep mail order bride guys on the hook for months without giving them any sex... and these guys shell out thousands to visit them and buy them designer label clothing... and trust me, these girls were nothing special... cute, blonde... but average club quality...tops.
...that's the down side.
The up side is if you have some charm and play your cards right you'll still get laid for the price of 2 rounds of drinks and a box of duty free chocolate.
What the hell's wrong with a glass of juice and a cheese sandwich?
If she ain't blowing you after that, you really should
kick her out your door and into the street!
Or a cheeseburger
Hi! All,
Anybody is going to some Eastern countries in new year's eve, if yes (and possible of course) I would like to join you guys, please let me know.
Thanks in advance,
Eros
RM:
Now that's a lovely burger... does it have a name?
MM:
Orange juice and a cheese sandwich may have worked in 2004, but as I have recently discovered, 2005 prices are way up! The big city girls are asking at least 2 cocktails and a box of chocolate!
I'm probably the guy spoiling the market, I've been giving them $5 H&M string tangas as a perk.
Info is out that EU-citicens (and Swiss) will no longer need a visa to Ukraine?
Anyone of you crossed the border since?
Is it so easy now?
Yes, It is so easy now !
A Visa is not required anymore, you just have to fill out the Immigration card and the customs declaration before going through the control.
Information also here: [url]http://www.ukremb.org.uk/eng/cvs/index.html[/url]
Hello Gentlemen (and ladies, that's cool too!)
My bro's and I are heading to EE for some actual sightseeing and touristy stuff. But, I like to blend in a little mongering during the night. Some of my friends are up for it. Others are cool with it, but just like to chit chat with the girls.
So, does anyone have info about hotels that are affordable (I'm not loaded) safe and clean. Or, what part of town we should be in. Also, night life suggestions would be cool.
I'll be in Minsk for 2 days, Kiev for 2 days and Moscow for 2 days.
If you don't want to fill up this "board" with this info, just PM me. Although the hotel info might be useful to others because I couldn't find any here.
Thanks,
Help me help others
Funk
Had a call last night from a friend who lives in Kiev that the Irish bar he frequents and the bars in the surrounding areas of Maidan/Kreschatik were heaving with Dutch and German youngsters getting pissed and abusive.Looks like Prague, i mean Kiev, is in for a tough stag summer. I hope they annoy the authorities so much that they go back to visas soon. Another friend also got mugged outside his apartment by 2 Ukrainian teenagers and he got a cab home as he always plays the percentage and plays it safe for a $2 fare. This never used to happen so maybe the local thugs think that new tourists mean easy pickings. You only used to get mugged for a small fine by the police before! I am back in July (7th time in a year,i hope i get over this mid-life crisis soon) though as sitting on Kreshchatik in the summer having a beer watching the women go by is too much to resist.
Jack.
While I tend to meet most of my pleasures in the local bars and restaurants, at times I enjoy sampling the local professional provider. One of the major problems with the two main sites, [url]www.kiev-x.com[/url] and [url]www.uaescort.com[/url] is that many of the photos are fake, especially on uaescort. These are mostly agencies that hustle you into what amounts to be a privat. The ladies are very hit or miss, mostly you want to run away when you see them. These privats also charge higher than normal prices. I expect that these prices will climb even higher once Eurovision starts and non-locals start using their services.
However, a new site from the kiev-x boss amounts to a breath of fresh air and openness. That site is [url]http://dosug.com.ua/list.php?catid=0[/url]
These are mainly independents and the pictures are real. Unlike the other sites, at least here what you see is what you get. The only drawback is that it is a Russian language only site but a simple one, a basic knowledge level or translation software should be able to handle it.
Outstanding research ... Kiev has lacked an reliable online dyev store.
kiev at night. what to do?
it was about 9:30 pm as i walked up kreschatik toward independence square.. a light drizzle kept the cool air fresh and i admit that it wasnt unpleasant, even though it did somewhat empty the normally bustling streets. i strolled along feeling as if i ruled the world. banging those two broads i had met at mcdonalds the night before had left in some sort of zen-like state of utter satisfaction and astonishment... i really couldn't comprehend how or why it had happened.... but sometimes good things do just happen and you gotta roll with it.
i eyed the girls on the street as they walked by and i nursed some sort of alcopop drink... a mango/vodka mix to get me in the conversationalist mood. i had just unsuccessfully tried to set up a freebie date with a few of my options...
...internet babe diana mysteriously doesnt answer her phone and even hangs up without speaking when i call... odd behavior for a girl that seemed incredibly eager to meet me. boyfriend? probably. a write off... shame though, she was born for porn. i spoke to her the next day before i left… she’s still keen… but i am sure she has issues to work out. who cares.
...sweet sveta from the "love in the time of the revolution" tour with rm is super happy to hear from me... i hadnt called her in months... but she cant go out that night... i really am not overly disappointed. she's b-list anyway. but i'll keep her warm in case such a situation pops up in the future.
...spikey blonde..also from the "littor" tour, in retrospect an absolutely fantastic fuck and wonderful girl, seems to have changed her mobile number... or more likely had her mobile stolen while she lay passed out in some club somewhere sometime. can't contact her... her number no longer exists. a true shame. i adore her. c'est la vie.
even though i feel a bit disappointed and even rejected... my mood relatively quickly turns to a vague feeling of relief to have struck out with my previous contacts on this wednesday night... the evening is now mine to enjoy in utter freedom. i truly prefer the hunt as opposed to the sure thing, even if doesnt always end in success.
actually, i had consciously planned... even to the point of being determined... to finally get some p4p on this trip. the reports guys had been posting on wsg convinced me of kiev's affordable quality... and actually i had wanted to do bang a pro in moscow at the begining of my trip and failed, my plans compromised by an overly possessive and sexually demanding new teenage girlfriend. shit happens.
so i weighed the options... i didnt want to try 111 again... been there too often. i considered modabar, arena, shooters and chaikovsky... with a probable nightcap at river palace. the idea of fire and forget rp sex seemed like the best option...but it was still early, so i had time to kill... i elected to go to o'briens irish pub. i more or less hate irish pubs (except for the ones actually in ireland), but it was a football night and i felt like reminiscing. i had banged an armenian hotty a year ago that i met at o'briens... my first in country ukrainian broad. nonetheless i was stuck alone tonight... watching chelsea playing liverpool in a rather uneventful game, while chatting with a pleasant and jovial englishman and drinking 3 slavutich. as the game ended in a draw i headed back into town.
as i strolled towards bessarbskaya and past chaikovsky and tgif something told me to try chaikovsky after all. the girls from donetsk i had the night before told me that the had been there and they liked it... chaikovsky was less than 5 minutes walk from my flat... a key "point of argument" when wooing freebies.
i arrived and went first to the bar to enjoy an overpriced (30 grv) vodka-red bull.... the classic clubbing cocktail... a true vice. a couple of fellow americans sat next to me and i unwillingly eavesdropped on their conversation...which was of course about girls and prostitutes. they were fairly clueless and i thought about starting a conversation with them to clue them in... obviously they weren't wsg members...
i noticed a few people headed upstairs to the other bar and quickly finished my drink before heading up myself. i took a stroll around the territory to get my bearings and "check out the talent " as rm says before selecting the bar as my primary scamming point.
the club is nearly empty and although early, i am already considering heading somewhere else... most likely 111... which is always an excellent option. i notice two cute teens also standing at the bar... one is a brunette with well-kept straight hair, a nice bosom, low-rider jeans, an enticing smile and gorgeous brown eyes accentuating her perfect feline face... the other a thin blonde, with a nice tight yet perky firm ass, tits pushed up with a wonder bra and something i have a weakness for… a somewhat non-descript yet angelic face… something like julie delpy… but the kind of odd face i like. i select the blonde as my target ( i am usually quite good at selecting the ones i can actually poke on the first night as opposed to the somewhat better-looking project type that do me no good on nights like this) and walk up to both of them, confidently annoucing "shto mi piyom?" (what are we drinking)... the brunette..who seems to be the more dominant of the two... smiles at me and says "b pidisyat dwa"... b52. a good drink. i turn to the barman and order 3 b52s.
we down them. i realize that i have a chance... they seem keen and the club is still more or less empty. i invite them to sit on a sofa near the dance floor and we move down there... even as they scan the cocktail menu i decide to ease their decision process and order for them. the girls get long island ice teas and i get a mojito. yeah i'm cheating again... but slavic girls like guys who cheat... and guys that take charge. we drink and get to know each other.. the conversation is fun even though a bit difficult... we are speaking russian. they dont speak english. the loud club atmosphere makes conversation a bit difficult, but thankfully the club is filling somewhat and and the girls dance... i join them off and on... i can dance fairly well if i am in the mood... and tonight i am. the brunette is a flirt... and not just with me... she seems to be interested in the dj, so i further my attack on the blonde... after about an hour i am getting some hand-holding and i kiss her neck. no resistance. game on.
we dance and flirt and i check my watch.. about 0230.. time to up the ante.
we sit together again... the waitress comes by and i order more cocktails and some calean.. apple flavor. the advantage of calean is that it encourages the girls to sit with you, makes them relaxed and makes the more inexperienced (or poor) girls feel a bit decandant. calean costs about $20... they couldnt afford it on their own.
i am fondling the blonde but make sure not to ignore the brunette... i flirt a bit with her as well... i realize that i actually like the brunette better... but i think switching gears now would be an error... i continue on the blonde.
the girls are loving the calean and getting cosy... we dance a bit and converse... and then a miracle happens... even though it is only about 3:30am the club turns on the lights... it is closing time! they play one last slow song and i invite the blonde to dance while dancing to that nelly slow dance song i start to kiss her on the lips... we french kiss and grope each other a bit.... and then return to the sofa. crunch time. time to cross the rubicon.
i ask the girls where they live... even without really listening to their answer i say..."ooooh...daleko!" (it's far!) i politely suggest that they can stay at my apartment.. it is only five minutes from here.
i swear... if you are in a similar situation and have two girls to contend with invite them both back to the pad... rarely will one go with you alone.. she needs her wingwoman... but more often then not they'll go if they can both come.
they converse with each other... the brunette says they arent sure... "lena baiyus..." the blonde is scared... of what she wants to happen.
without entering into any conversation i decide for them.. "paidyom"... we are leaving.
without arguing they come with me. we get our coats and leave... they seem a bit nervous, especially the blonde, but i drag them along and we leave arm in arm.. the security guards at the door smile at me as i give them a sly grin.
5 minutes later we are in my apartment... "oooo krasivy!"... they've never seen such a nice apartment... i operate quickly... low lights, candles, music, champagne... show them the jacuzzi... start running water....
we sit on the couch... i whip it out... ok, not it... but dermo.. my favorite book of russian slang. girls love it. they start reading and laughing in utter joy... the mood lightens.. they relax, realizing that i am not a psychopath killer or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126][CodeWord126][/url].
i get some gropage with the blonde... but keep the brunette warm as well.
they want to try the jacuzzi... alone and together. never been in a jacuzzi before. they are shy and want me to stay out of the bathroom until the bubbles conceal their slender bodies. how many times have i heard that before. if you’ve gotten this far you will score. at this point i am in the zone... they have no chance of escape now.
candles in the bathroom... lights out... sensual music... snap some pictures... the brunette is flirty and posing... this is gonna be good.
i am kissing the blonde and turn to notice the brunette giving me the stare. i stare back... at least twenty seconds... it seems as if time stands still... her mouth curls in a slight smile. yeah.
i move towards the brunette and begin to kiss her, clutching her firm breast... an exact handful. born for porn.
i begin sucking her breast...she moans... i finger her pussy... alternately giving the blonde some play too... i rip off my shirt and take off my pants and underwear throwing them into the corner... the brunette cries out "klass!!!" and i enter the tub... i kiss the brunette, who is at one end and turn my body so that my rock hard cock is pointing up, allowing...demanding... the blonde have "access". she goes to work, sucking me off as i mash with the brunette... about 3 or 4 minutes later i hear "zharka..." and i help them out of the tub... getting my first full view of their naked bodies... a dream. the brunette is shaved bare... the blonde has "the landing strip"... breasts perfectly formed... asses indescribably taut... i drag them into the bedroom... and go to work on the brunette... she has become my focus... even as i eat out the brunette, suckling on her pussy and she moans and grinds with pleasure i am groping the blonde lying next to her... keeping her interested and turned on... i grab the brunette, sliding my arm underneath her and swinging her 45 kg body on top of me... i am lying on my back and slide the brunette up so she is straddling my head and i can eat her pussy... the blonde in the meantime is dutifully sucking my cock.
after awhile i refocus on the blonde and go for the fuck... the brunette...wide-eyed and visually excited again mutters "klass!!!" obviously turned on by the sight of me about to enter her friend... my rock hard cock poised in front of her friends pussy, which seems impossibly small. the blonde is no longer nervous… she’s inexperienced, but she’s ready. i also think she is happy that i am fucking her first… she definitely feels like a second wheel to the brunette.. and sexually she is… but she was my first choice and she’ll get the first poke.
she’s wet, but i still have to work my cock into her…wetting the tip with her juices and rotating the tip into her to allow the initial girth into her cavern. her arms are at her side clutching the blankets, her legs spread wide and slightly wrapped around me… the brunette has drawn close but is not touching us, her mouth slightly open in anticipation. i slowly penetrate her and within two or three strokes i am all the way in… she is hot and wet and already moaning breaths of excitement, anticipation and surprise… my pace quickens and soon i am a piston, ruthlessly rodding her… propping myself up with my arms so that i can gain an occasional glimpse of my tool disappearing into her box… her slightly protruding pussy lips wrapped around my glistening prod. i am astonished by the beauty of the image, yet after a few minutes i turn my attention to the brunette and roll onto my back again… they both go to work on the dick, sucking and licking me. at some point i boost the blonde up to my face so i can access her pussy again while the brunette continues to suck me. i signal her to mount me and she does, taking some time and a bit of effort to fit me in.
at this point i really haven’t even comprehended what is happening…
…after a lengthy and tiring session, i finally decide to come. where else… i need a mouth. this time i choose the brunette, straddling her face as the blonde spanks my ass and tries to maintain some participation in the act. after a relatively quick few strokes i am ready to burst and do so, removing my rod from her mouth to blow the spunk all over her face and chest… she cries out in surprise and pleasure, trying to lick the spunk from her cheeks and lips. the blonde, inactively watching, is drawn into the game by a hand signal and a clutching of the neck. i lift myself slightly and let the blonde lick my dick of spunk and make her kiss the brunette again… which she does somewhat unvoluntarily… but then seems to enjoy when her girlfriend moans in faux pleasure.
i’m spent… and so are the girls… less than 15 minutes after the climax of one of my most memorable evenings in recent memory we are all sleeping soundly, me in the middle with a cute dyev on either side…
sometimes good things just happen.
What can i said Doctor? Just a simple BRAVO!
A whole standing ovation!!
I think professor will be more suitable then doctor.
Amazing report
Doc, great narrative :) Glad to know the young girls in Kiev still appreciate the more "worldly" men, instead of these pretenders who are coming due to the relaxing of the visa rules.
By the way, all those people who have purchased muliple entry visa's recently must feel pretty gutted this summer :( .
Anyway, I just wanted to know when staying around Khreschatyk, do you prefer to stay towards the southern end (i.e. Bessarabska ) or the Northern end?
Ludovico:
Glad you liked the story... I am almost embarassed to say that actually that was the second freebie menage a trois I'd had in as many days... I must have had excellent mojo that week... and a fair portion of luck!
As far as where to stay, I have always stayed at the Bessarabska end... but dont know if it is better or worse than the Independence Square side. Either way, most things are within walking distance.
As for the flood of visa-free tourists, time will tell what sort of effect they'll have on Kiev... but i can't imagine it being good for us mongers.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]
As for the flood of visa-free tourists, time will tell what sort of effect they'll have on Kiev... but i can't imagine it being good for us mongers.[/QUOTE]Sorry to say, the old rule of supply & demand will be in full effect this summer. More tourists = greater demand. Combine this with a steady supply, and the prices and/or difficulty of finding quality p will be much higher. This will probably be felt more around resort-type areas like Odessa and the Crimea, as opposed to Kiev.
10 days until I hit Odessa, let's hope it hasn't changed too much by then!
Their website is down since friday : [url]http://www.gia.com.ua[/url], it even has been removed from my DNS. Emails are on failure and nobody answers on the telephone :(
I also tried to write and call their associate massage salon Anahata ([url]http://www.anahata.kiev.ua[/url]) without success.
Somebody knows what happened to Gia ? Do they have another email / telephone (PM me if you want) ? If it is closed, how is it possible to find their girls?
I'm coming to Kiev next week (any wingman welcome) and it was supposed to be the best agency with SFH. Most of us are basic punters, we don't speak russian and are not good in freebie dyevs chasing like Doctor Skank and Roger Mellie. So we need an affordable and reliable escort agency.
Doctor_Skank,
You left me without words!
I've been in Kiev twice (my report will arrive soon), but I NEVER felt even one mile near your situation!
Tell me the true: are you a famous cinema star - look alike?
Please, answer "yes" and I'll be able to sleep this evening!
No joke now - a very amazing report!
Ludovico: I used to live in apartment near the tube in Khreschatyk (just after McDonalds). But I feel you will not see any difference in all the street.
Ciao!
Dant75
Being here in Kiev does have some advantages.
I just called Gia, and at least the telephone numbers work and they seem to still be in business. The woman I spoke with assured me the site would be back up in short order if it was not back already. I just checked and it was not yet back up at 18:00 local time.
However, you never know with things here. If it does not get back online soon, the site may be off until after Eurovision. The authorities apparently want a clean image of Kiev and Gia is an easy target.
There are really only two other good sites besides Gia, Stars from Heaven at [url]http://www.desiredstars.com/[/url] and Kiev Beauties at [url]www.kievbeauties.com[/url]. These two agencies are very reliable and the sites are in English.
Thanks for the info. The photo posted by Doc Skank is the best one I hav seen from Ukraine. I met 3 girls from Ukraine on Loveme.com but they looked like the girls on GIA--uugh. I like the prices on GIA but tyhe girls are not hot. Thank you for the other websites--I have visited that already. But again again 300 EUR for 400 hours is more than the hourly rate in Montreal and the Western European girls are worth more in terms of supply and demand and market economics.
No I am NOT criticizing your post. I am frustrated in my search for beautiful women in Ukraine who do not expect Western Eurorpean or North AMerican rates.
Keep me posted if you see anything. No hard feelings.
The great thing that I learn from reading your stories and posts similar to yours is that I realize the fun is not in catching the fish but in the fishing. The whole let's find an escort for x amount of money pales by comparison to finding one or two girls and picking them up. I have been experimenting with some of your ideas and have been going to clubs in the states trying to pick up horny girls. I brought a friend with me who had more experience than me and who was evry successful at it. I picked up two girls, one in front of her boyfriend. The club that we went to had a lot of groping as well. What is my point?
I guess my point is the more I read all of your experiences, the more money drops entirely out of the equation. I think while freebies are probably much easier to find over seas where these girls are looking for security, freebies can be found in your home country because everybody likes to have fun, fuck, and a little attention.
And if you can get the freebies, you're not out any money and te whole escort issue is dropped.
(What happened to your let's use a condom? You took a lot of chances with these girls?)
Good luck (though I am sure you will not need luck.)
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Kiev at night. What to do?
It was about 9:30 pm as I walked up Kreschatik toward Independence Square.. a light drizzle kept the cool air fresh and I admit that it wasnt unpleasant, even though it did somewhat empty the normally bustling streets. I strolled along feeling as if I ruled the world. Banging those two broads I had met at McDonalds the night before had left in some sort of zen-like state of utter satisfaction and astonishment... I really couldn't comprehend how or why it had happened.... but sometimes good things do just happen and you gotta roll with it.
. . .
Hi all,
I just checked and the Gia site is back up and online.
Enjoy yourselves.
Serse:
I hope that you can still sleep well...
As for the menage a trois, it was actually my 4th freebie menage in the last 2 years, so even though it isnt standard fare for me I must be doing something right. Although looking good obviously helps, I am not a movie star and I think that such successes really just prove that all the conventional dating rules or restrictions you have become accustomed to back home (whereever back home is) go out the window when in EE.
What I did right was recognizing my window of opportunity and then going for it.
If you have two girls on the hook (or most likely one on the hook with a bodyguardette) it is often easier to take both back home rather than trying to wrestle one free from the other. When taking them both back it may not pan out into a menage (and often I find one girl significantly more attractive than the other and let the "odd girl out" watch MTV while I violate her friend) but sometimes it does.
My 4 times worked out like this:
In St.Pete I was dancing with two girls and when it came closing time I invited them back to my apartment... both of them. It was freezing cold outside and they went for it. I had a jacuzzi... also a big plus for the menage. Girls were average, but it was free. And it was cold outside and I was much happier having two warm bodies next to me then sleeping alone or seeking an emergency 4am p4p option in -25 degree weather. As average as the girls were, the sex was really great... and plentiful. The average girls can be SO appreciative and giving. Mild girl on girl action.
In Moscow I was so drunk (and still suffering from some narcotic slipped into my drink at CF the day before) that I dont remember how I got the two girls to go home with me but somehow ended up in bed with them... again the prospect of a jacuzzi and the winter cold likely helped my cause. Girls average as well, but good bodies and some girl on girl action.
I fucked them singularly even though we all were in the same bed. Maybe the other one just passed out while waiting her turn... :)
In Kiev I met two girls from Donetsk at McDonalds who didnt have a place to stay (hotel overbooked) and I told them they could wash up in my apartment. Once there it was obvious they wanted to stay and I took them out for drinks and dancing and the rest was easy money. A pure opportunity score. Girls were above average hot. Some girl on girl action, but mild. Active double team.
The second Kiev menage was detailed in my report... probably the menage in which I executed my plan of attack the most precisely. Very good girl on girl action, especially in the morning... :)
I certainly hope the menage "doesnt" become a habit... its physcially "demanding"... :)
As far as the pro menage or double-team goes, it can be tricky to get a pair that function well together. If for example they dont know each other beforehand (say 2 tochka girls) the chances of girl+girl action or even an active involvement double team are not good... at least that has been my experience.
I did post on a great experience with two "opportunity pros" from Magrib on the St.Pete board... amazing girls... for $150 total. One of the most glorious sexual experiences I have ever had. I think they were just two girls looking to have fun and score some perfume money... I never saw them again.
If you get girls that do know each other and are comfortable with one another it can be pure paradise... having two girls suck your cock in tandem or boning one while the other eats her friend out or... you get the idea... real porn stuff...:)
What I have always wanted to try was one of those mama + dochka (mother and daughter) teams that are advertised on dosug.nu (Russia) ... anybody ever done that?
Gia worked for me today, so?
Other question, has anybody experiences with Dina from ([url]http://www.anahata.kiev.ua[/url]) ?
I'm looking for a 1 week-compangnion for Crimea in beginning of June.
Just got back from Kiev, one of my suitcases liked it so much there it apparently jumped ship in London and attempted to head back. Hoping BA has corraled it.
I'm sure after experiencing the airport a lot of people will be praying Kiev doesn't win Eurovision again. It's hard to believe that it is an international airport for the capital of a country - well at least the roof doesn't leak and it's generally warm during the winter.
Dr S - I'm beginning to think one can't leave Kiev without a threesome - I had one forced on me too.
RM - not to reopen a can of worms - saw about umm, 10 or so apartments while I was in Kiev this trip. The winner of the trip was a 2 rm apartment with a refinished studio attached for the special price of 110k very near Maidan. Good deal, but I think I can find better. If you Western Union me 5k I'll send you the details...;)
As far as the hordes of unwashed tourists. Kiev is a great city but there are about 100 cities in Europe alone which are more interesting then Kiev unless one is a sexpat. And if it does get too bad, can anyone say, 'Minsk'? ;)
During my trip in Jan - Feb there were a lot of semi pro's working RP. This trip not so much.
Didn't make too many new friends, got too wrapped up in re meeting girls from the previous trip - big mistake. ;)
Guy 2:
I am glad you like the posts here. I truly believe that WSG is a learning forum… I have learned a lot here. I’ve learned even more by actually meeting other WSG members like Roger Mellie, CA_T or Shos to name a few.
The fishing is fun… so is the catch. Experimenting with ideas is the best way to go, you genuinely have nothing to lose.. unless you are experimenting on the boss’s wife or your cousin Maggie. J
Seriously though, who cares if you get shot down every now and then. Happens to me and everybody else as well. Move on. Experiment.
I also think pro sex.. especially in EE, BA,Thailand or wherever you can have the girl in YOUR apartment for the course of several hours or a night is an excellent way to practice your skills and GAIN CONFIDENCE in dealing with the opposite sex.
Confidence is obviously one of the single most important factors in seducing women… almost all women find confident men attractive.
My success in EE has panned out elsewhere as well. I have never gotten laid as often and as easily as I am now. And the girls are from everywhere. I think another important factor is that I don’t seem desperate at all… and this somehow intrigues the girls and maybe even makes them trust me more.
My point? Hmm. Don’t know really. But I’m enjoying the learning process.
For those of you who always bemoan the fact I never post any pictures...
Here are two super hotties walking down Khreschatyk. It took me long and hard to find two girls with bodies like these in Kiev - trust me.
They are a couple of Western Europeans in town for Eurovision!
CD:
You can keep your hotties... :)
Donetsk anyone? These two voted Yanukovich. In fact, going out a limb here, I'd have to say pro-Yanukovich girls fuck much better than their pro-Yuschenko sisters.
Yuschenko is not a Friend of the Monger.
Hello gentlemen!
First report by me from Kiev! I was there 5 days in mid april before the Eurovison hell began. Glad I missed it!
I was there with a friend of mine not much into hunting female flesh. Anyway I had a pre-set date with a real stunner from the internet site russianzest. She was a lousy knower of english but from the photos she was a 9, and body rating 9,5. Or what do you think of 173 cm and 50 kg blue eyed blonde? ex-model.... Aim for the stars and you might reach the tree tops!
I do the Titanic method and go for it despite many signs of warnings.
All dressed up I meet her and a friend of her (because she doesnt know english very well) at TGI's near Bessarabska market. Very expensive but nice restaurant. The girls were 20 minutes late (seems to be a syndrome in all EE countries)
Anyway I was really happy to see that she was as beautiful as in the photos on the marriage agancy! What a georgeous babe! Finest legs and ass Ive seen. Well almost... This was top class! Having a real nice dinner and some flirting and holding hands and I even got to feel her hard well trained stomach after some flattering it was time for them to go home. I know I wasnt going to get a taste of her heaven the first eve. Bill ends at about $ 60 for us all.
On the way to the taxi her girl friend asks me; what about my money?
Me replying: What money?
Girlfriend: I work for an agency and I have been translator today and for 4 hours is total of $ 100.
Me: I havnt ordered any translator nor was I informed about any money involved in this. You got a dinner for $ 20 which is for free ofcourse.
Girlfriend: No, you have to pay me or you can contact the agency and they can explain.
Me: No, sorry, I never pay for a service I havnt ordered! You have to learn this if youre ever are going to enter into the EU (I was angry at this point)
Girlfriend: Ok! (she realise I wasnt a stupid tourist) From now on you have to manage yourself!
Me: Fine!
Then the hot blonde approaches me and says in poor english that her friend is upset and that I have to pay. I explain again, Sorry.. And gives her some money for the cab.
When I came back to hotel Ukraina I told my buddy what happened and he told me at once; They are working together and tricks love struck men and most likely lives on this business! And I Agreed... S-it! She was so beautiful in her tight jeans! Ass-legs-stomach was 9,9!! Face got her down to an overal 9.
Well, cant give up the hunting that easy. Took a cap to Moda bar and went down to check the meat market. Screening the dolls there I found a few to rest my eyes on. Just having ordered my second beer one sexy dressed girl walks straight into me. I dont think it was an accident however. 175 cm, very busty, and sweet and beautiful face and got very long hair! She was around 65 kg especially with that rack of hers! We talked, I ordered her a few drinks and we had a very nice party... we even began to tongue kiss! Close to 4 am we were going and I said I lived in Hotel Ukraina and asked her to join me. She said she wanted to but that she need $ 150 for the night. I told her I can afford $ 100 and that I wanted anal and oral with no condom... And she said ofcourse!
I was really horny and off to the hotel we went. After an argument with cab driver about the price (fists was in the air) we went through the security who wanted not less than $ 20 to let her in.
Up at the room we had to be very silent beacuse my friend was sleeping... And I got a hottie with DD cups to poke! I solves the problem with brining all towels on top of the bathroom floor and there we began the orgy! Het tits was amazing, thoug a bit droppy. Can they be anything else with a size atleast DD naturals?
She wouldnt allow me to eat her but she did a medium to good BJ uncovered to me.. Covered up and then I poked her hard! I do the girls quite hard often! When she began to moan I told her to be silent! When she rode me those tits nearly made me see sich with all their moving:) after 20 minutes in different positions it was time for A-N-A-L.... Which I love... She was very tight and asked me for Lube... Found my friends skin lotion vaseline and she prepared her ass for my rod! after less than 10 very nice minutes she began to complain about pain! I stopped and she got back to uncovered BJ... Giving her my load in her mouth she took it all... and after 30 sekonds she raises and spits it out in the zink.
Ahh.. Finally some good sex after a disappointing day. Afterwards I asked my friend if he noticed anything.. and he screamed H-LL yes! :)
I learned that you should be really carefull with these internet agancies and even with chat sites. Many girls are there to trick us for our hard earned cash! I even found a site with complaints about the girls fooling men.
I will definetely be back for hunting in Ukraine but I will avoid Kiev I think and go to another city. I will also try to realy more to pick up skills in discos and cafees.
Have fun!
Cheers,
Felix :)
Well here is drop dead beautiful Victorya! She is a scam! Be careful!
Be extra careful when you see these studiophotos of models! Its a sign of caution! It is all too often that it is what it seems like; Too good to be true!
Still Im sure you can hunt down some real babes from these sites too!
Good luck hunting and keep up the good work!
Felix:)
Felix, it seems like you had just about every scam in the book run on you. I've had interpreters quote me 4/hr or 15 USD per meeting. $100 is a third of the monthly rate of a well paying job in Kiev. Personally I really don't see the point of having an interpreter - is she going to go on every date with you? Also, there is an old term in the US called 'dating for dinner', it seems to be quite popular in Kiev, although Fridays doesn't quite qualify for it. Friday's in the US is considered the next step above fast food. If you want to know what an expensive meal in Kiev is go across the street to Arena. You can always tell how interested a girl is in you and not your wallet by what she orders.
Always negotiate the price of the taxi BEFORE you get in. If you have a native with you let her do the talking for you and don't speak until the price is settled. If you are in a group of 3 or 4 have the native hail the taxi and negotiate while you and the others are standing far enough away to make it not obvious you are together. Generally I don't like to make it the highpoint of my day to negotiate the best price possible with every taxi. But a third of them will take advantage of you if you let your guard down. Also, taxis and private cars are like beautiful girls in Kiev - there is one going by every 5 seconds.
75% of the girls online are a waste of time. You are lucky the girl actually matched her photo's. If you want to go the pick and choose route try one of the local dating agencies in Kiev. A few of my friends have tried it and have generally been pleased.
But the best method is simply walking down the street and being friendly. And if you want to be serious about hunting in Kiev you have to ditch the hotel and get an apartment.
You did good to have all these scams run on you and not be taken advantage of.
[QUOTE=Felix Nordic]Hello gentlemen!
First report by me from Kiev! I was there 5 days in mid april before the Eurovison hell began. Glad I missed it!
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Felix :)[/QUOTE]
Brits or Americans I would think.
During my 12 days in Kiev and being out and about just about 24/7 I only recall seeing three blimps, including those two. It's a crappy phone cam shot. But if you can blow the picture up you can see the bemused look on the face of the military officer walking by.
Here's something a little bit better. But once again a crappy phone cam shot - I was bored my last day in Kiev.
[QUOTE=Goldfinger]They are a couple of Western Europeans in town for Eurovision![/QUOTE]
I go to Moscow pretty often, but will be in Kiev for the first time next month. I've read through a bunch of pages but see only snippets of information here and there. Could somebody please post an overview of what's out there? What are decent alternatives to RP? Are Kiev strip clubs anything like the ones in Moscow, and are they a good option in terms of quality and possibility of scoring a chick? Any decent night clubs where one could score a freebie on a weekday? What's the situation like with taxis / transportation?
In short, I will be in Kiev for only four days, and I probably won't return for quite some time. So I want to party it up and see as much of the night life as possible and hopefully not have to go to any one place more than once.
I will arrive in Kiev tonight and I am going to meet “freebee”, Julia, for the second time. Last time I saw her on my last half day in Kiev a month ago. This time I will have enough time to bang her :-) (..I hope..)
I wanted to know if anyone has experience with this girl since she is on many websites?
Here are her pics. and they are real.
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Are you sure this girl was a freebie? Maybe you were dreaming? Maybe you should get some photos of her that you take yourself.
Also, there is no such thing as a freebie with a girl of this type. You will pay one way or another my friend, but enjoy anyway.
The Dnipro Hotel has a Strip Club/Casino in it. Take out is 300 Euro or 400 USD, the house sets the rate, there is no negotiation. They offer private lap dances but I don't know if that includes sex because I never took part. Which is actually something I've been meaning to do. I was there on an off night during the winter and the talent was on par with any high end US strip club I've been to. One of the girls was even sporting implants.
My must goto bars for the traveling sexpat - Arena (currently the reining king of Kiev nightclubs), Club 111, Moda Bar, Shooters - p4p is available in all four clubs in varying degrees. I'm sure others will fill you in on other hot places to go. If you want a run down on most of the clubs of note in Kiev to foreigners and their address pick up a copy of What's On or whatson-kiev.com. Taxi's and private cars for rent are all over the place in Kiev Center 24/7.
Picking up a freebie on a weekday at a club and bringing her back to a hotel while being new to Kiev with no intention of ever returning...well..well, for that you need Dr Skanks handbook, How to Pick Up Slavic girls made easy, or the companion booklet, How to Pick Up Slavic girls for Dummies.
Good luck and have fun.
[QUOTE=One O Nine]I go to Moscow pretty often, but will be in Kiev for the first time next month. I've read through a bunch of pages but see only snippets of information here and there. Could somebody please post an overview of what's out there? What are decent alternatives to RP? Are Kiev strip clubs anything like the ones in Moscow, and are they a good option in terms of quality and possibility of scoring a chick? Any decent night clubs where one could score a freebie on a weekday? What's the situation like with taxis / transportation?
In short, I will be in Kiev for only four days, and I probably won't return for quite some time. So I want to party it up and see as much of the night life as possible and hopefully not have to go to any one place more than once.[/QUOTE]
i just returned from kiev last week, i flew from frankfurt with ukraine international, my wingman flew from munich with czech airl., had to do one stop in prague. getting through customs was fast, just make sure not to give them any wrong numbers when they ask how much cash you have with you, the guy it front of me had some problems because of this, although i´m not sure what exactly the critical amount was.
we rented the apartment through kievaccommodation.com, absolutely no problem, they picked us up at the airport on time, we got exactly the apartment we had made a reservation for, right in the center near kreschatyk street, greet location, 2 big bedrooms, water running all day, perfect. what was best: we didn`t have to pay the eurovision rip-off price we had agreed to when booking (160,- dollars), they only charged the normal price, 120,- dollars.
ahead of us was one week of party, way too much alcohol, so i won`t be able to give you the exact chronological order of the places we visited.
one place we visited on our first evening and three more times was club 111 (hotel lybid). no idea why they always have one or two rambo-guys in full combat-outfit with machine-guns in their lap sitting at the entrance, i wondered what kind of incidents in the past made them think this is necessary, didn`t see anything like this at any of the other places we visited. great place, one of my favourite, everybody in a good mood, slow on wednesday, i think thursday was ladies night, pretty full, friday was packed, what i really liked was the rotating bar. some nice girls, easy to make contact, although i didn`t see any girls i´d rate above 7.
one other place that could have become my favourite was chaikovsky, bessarabska pl. 2, there was some action on wednesday, first they wouldn`t let us in, the guy at the door said they`re celebrating the second birthday of the place, so you needed an invitation. some other guy took us around the corner and sold us two tickets at a special discount price, not sure what we payed, probably a scam, anyway we got in. a really cool club, great music (house), but the place was almost empty. actually the place was empty during the whole weekend, we always had a peek inside, even way after midnight , absolutely dead. one of the girls told me the reason for this is that the hip wannabe`s of kiev have already moved on to some other new locations, which have recently opened, maybe we just had bad luck, i don`t know.
we also visited the well known riverpalace i think at least five times during that week. not much i can ad that hasn`t already been said. lots of very cute girls, although even here i could never spot more than one or two girls i´d rate 8 or above on any night. i managed to pull out one very cute freebie, actually she dragged me out of the place by my hair without once mentioning the issue of payment and stayed at my apartment until four p.m. the next afternoon, very passionate girl. i had to reward her somehow, so i invited her to da vinci fish club in volodymyrska street that evening, great place to take your date if she likes italian classics or fresh seafood, pretty expensive for kiev though. on one other night the pricetag was 150 bucks for one cute student, she only stayed until nine, told me she had to go to university. hard to say what the average price actually is these days, it seems to depend on what girl you`re chasing, what time it is, how full the place is and whether she likes you or not. many of the girls seem to be there every evening, also i saw lots of guys being rejected, it seems many girls will go there regularly and only follow someone home when they feel good about the person. my wingman took home his dreamgirl one night paying 250,-, and even though it was pretty late, there was no way she was going to lower the price, it was take it or leave it.
i also checked into modabar on two evenings. again pretty empty, although i liked the place. on my first visit i had just managed to grab a seat at the bar, when i saw a cute tall blond with endless legs sitting on the other side. it just took one smile and she came over, introduced herself and the next moment she was almost sitting on my lap. she said she was hungry, so being in a good mood, i invited her to some sushi. when we left and i read the bill i realized she had already pulled way over 300 grivnas out of my pocket, drinks included.
she then took me to another place, maybe the coolest club i saw during my stay in kiev:
ganesha club in artema street. this place doesn`t open until 4 in the morning, and it`s only open during the weekends. very cool house music, only cool and trendy young people seem to gather here, i made eye contact with several girls, sort of regretted i wasn`t alone. problem that night was i had somehow totally lost control over the amount of alcohol good for me, so at some point i stumbled out of the place in trance and took the next taxi home, leaving my girl somewhere on the dancefloor, even forgot to get her number.
one other place that should be on your priority list if your looking for nines or tens: club "pa ti pa" in muzelny lane. we had planned to go to this place anyway, but ended visiting it by accident on a saturday night because our taxi-driver who was supposed to take us to opium somehow got confused. pretty large big-town style club, all the young and beautiful of kiev, house music at it`s best, confetti raining down on you, go-go girls, the only place in kiev where i really saw many, many, very beautiful girls in one spot. my wingman stayed at this place dancing all night, i left for riverpalace after about two hours, maybe i´m getting old, but the sound intensity was insane, this was like an acoustic tsunami, staying there any longer would have meant an appointment with my doctor. and it was absolutely impossible to talk to anyone, i tried to make contact several times, screaming my head off, no use with this sound level.
lets see, what else was there? i tried one of the numbers in the magazine "what`s on kiev" one afternoon, told them to send me the youngest, hottest blond available, didn`t really expect them to deliver anything worthwhile. she showed up in front of my door right on time, 20 years, law student, stunning blond, beautiful face, designer-clothes, very good english, what more can you ask? she was supposed to stay two hours for 100 dollars, but when i asked her how much time she has, she said she would stay as long as i wish, strange. anyway, i dismissed her after two hours and two shots, it was time for me to get some sleep and prepare for the missions ahead.
there were several other places we visited, but i can`t remember anything really worth mentioning. some general information:
taxi-drivers always try to overcharge you. as long as you are not out alone at night, just stick out your thumb and stop any car, this way we never payed more than 10 or 15 grivnas, although i have to admit, i stopped cars several times alone at night, never had a problem, but i`m not sure if this really is safe.
mobile-phones: i took my regular mobile-phone and one of my old mobile-phones with me. bought a prepaid-card for the old mobile, you can buy them just about anywhere. this way i could use the old phone with the prepaid card in kiev and at the same time i could accept business calls from home through my regular phone.
a very good though for kiev expensive supermarket can be found in the basement of the arena complex.
the arena-disco was in on the fifth floor, i think. on our first evening we managed to sneak in to the inside, open-air area of the arena-complex. normally you needed a eurovision-access-card, but my wingman just walked past the security guys in a self confident manner, i followed him boldly. there was an open-air party going on, all the drinks and food were free, not bad for the beginning of that evening. later we tried to get into the arena-disco, there was an eurovision party going on, and entrance was free for eurovision people. we told them we forgot our eurovision id`s at our hotel room, no use, free entrance only with eurovision id, or pay 100 grivnas each. at this point we were curious what was going on, so we payed 200 grivnas, pretty stupid actually, and we were way to early, the place was getting full very slowly. we decided we had no time for waiting how things will develop, so we moved on, didn`t come back later that evening even though we had a stamp. no idea what arena is like on a normal evening.
we had a great time in kiev, but i have to say what really disappointed my wingman and me was the action on kreschatyk in the afternoon: the street is closed for traffic during the weekend, there were probably thousands of people in the street, but you could walk through the crowds for hours without seeing a single really hot girl, maybe some girls i´d rate 6 or 7 at best. the weather was great, above 20 celsius, and after walking through the crowds all afternoon, we counted maybe 10 skirts , most girls wearing jeans, and looking simply average or below average and not well dressed. same situation on weekdays, afternoon and evening, no talent to be seen. being a regular visitor to riga (about 12 times during the last year) i can`t resist comparing the two cities, and even though kiev was o.k., i´d favor riga any day. the quantity of beauties you see in riga and the girl/guy ratio is insane, for me it`s been freebie heaven during the last year, even though it`s only a third the population of kiev.
nevertheless, i`ll probably check out kiev and maybe odessa one more time this summer, as long as you can hop over without the visa-hassle, until september 1.
I dont know why I can't post photos? Something wrong every time.
Cruiser D:
Normally I always negotioate the price in advance. But lately in Moldova and Romania I havnt done so and they have not tried to cheat me. If you know a little about the town they realize they cant trick you. So I just got into this cab and she asked the price. And he noticed and tried a scam! But I just hate to get fooled! He didnt count on that!:)
About Fridays; Well, same policy as for Chicks. You really shouldnt pay western prices even for food when you go to such a poor country. Thats why Fridays is quite upscale by Ukraine standards since normal girls cant afford to go there. Its definetley quite pricy. Infact, central Kiev is quite costly if youre not smart. ´
Ive had genuine girlfriends in Romania and they usually tries to take me to a good restaurant thats not so expensive. That is if the girl loves you. Many girls do the money test to see how rich you are.
And thanks for the tips anyway;)
ISMAEL: Yeah, I ve spoken a few words this the girl in question. I just say; she probably is too good to be true. Its going to cost and will probably not get her into the sack! - Be careful!
And good luck! :)
axel s:
very good report. thanks!
"way too much alcohol" :)
that's one of my vices too... especially in ukraine. achieving the right amount makes me a sex demon. going overboard usually means sleeping alone or taking a pro option, with the alcohol-influenced average performance/interest from both parties as a consequense. the exception is when you are with a regular girlfriend or someone you picked up and she's equally drunk... that can turn into some awesome alcohol-fueled wild abandon.... time to get out the video camera....
"111:although i didn`t see any girls i´d rate above 7."
i prefer tuesdays there, excellent expat/dyev ratio. on other nights, especially the weekends, there are a lot of ukrainians there and many of the cuter girls you'll see there are regrettably occupied. my experience in kiev in general is limited, certainly there are people on this board who know much more... however i have felt that 111 is going a bit down in the last 9 months. maybe it is just my impression based on my luck on any individual night, but most probably 111 is suffering from increased competition from other clubs. 111 is by no means an elite club. if kiev follows moscow's lead... and it will... then any expat-oriented club may yield a good average in fuckable loose-moraled babe quality, however the top girls will be found elsewhere. the prospect of getting hit on relentlessly by hormone-doped expats may have greased many a model-quality twat 3 years ago, however with increasing local competition and increasing standard of living in kiev, many girls dont need to suffer that indignation anymore. shame really.
instead they'll find more elite or "in" clubs... whether they just want to be cool or whether they hope to meet rich local men there. as you experienced personally and already know, this is a fluid scene and changes relatively quickly. best way to find out where these are is to have local friends. being away for a couple of weeks or months will put you "out of the loop".
back to 111: one thing that has worked out well for me is taking normal girls there, especially if she is an inexperienced clubber or from out of town. they are impressed by the name of the club...its well-known, even in other cities... and they like the interior and crowd. good cocktails to get her in the mood too. i cant recall ever failing to score when bringing an own date.
i personally have never seen any pros at 111, although one rp pro i had banged the night before (the infamous "mystery tramp") did spot me there once with another non-pro girl and got really jealous and sent me evil smss.... so apparently pros do go there. anybody actually taken a pro from there? price/quality info?
"chaikovsky, bessarabska pl. 2"
nice bi-level layout at that club, but your informants are right... it was a hot place 2 years ago but isnt anymore. crowd got younger and more common, the hipsters moved on. its practical location does make it worth peeking into and recently got laid there with 2 girls.. even though the place was nearly empty.... about 40% full. maybe this worked in my favor on that particular night.
"river palace-i managed to pull out one very cute freebie, actually she dragged me out of the place by my hair without once mentioning the issue of payment and stayed at my apartment until four p.m."
nice score. i doubt that happens often there. there is a ladies night at rp, which does attract semi-pro dyevs. i think chances of scoring there on that night might be ok. i cant remember which day it is. anybody know?
from what i can tell (my experience + posts here) river palace is $150+. i've been thre 4 or 5 times and only taken a girl home once. i found them overpriced, most quoted $200+ and seemed determined to stick to that price.
"ganesha club in artema street."
nice tip. thanks.
"what`s on kiev" sounds like you got a great deal with your $100 blonde... how was her service? what were your general impressions of the pros there... bbbj, dfk or any extras?
"no idea what arena is like on a normal evening."
weekdays fairly dead, weekends good with mixed crowd of upscale ukrainians, some expats and quite a few starry-eyed student-type newcomers. i enjoyed this club.
"i´d favor riga any day. the quantity of beauties you see in riga and the girl/guy ratio is insane, for me it`s been freebie heaven during the last year, even though it`s only a third the population of kiev."
so i should book my flight to riga? :)
Kiev is still less discovered than Riga so you get a better chance with a girl in a bar or on the street. I got blown out a lot in Riga but Kiev was easy.
Once a guy from Riga I had met in Minsk has told me that he was amazed by the number of stunning girls he's seen around, so I think there's always a bester location far away..
It's way too optimistic to think that you're just gonna meet the top elite beauties of Kiev by just wandering around Kreschatik,especially at weekends and at the end of May..
Nowadays the real chicks are either engaged with exams or enjoying their vacations places like Crimea and other countries in the south..
I read about your recent adventures at Chaikovsky, very well done, with your skills you`d probably have a pretty good time in Riga and being capable of speaking some russian, that would give you the edge to score with those rare but existant hot russian non-english speaking babes venturing Riga`s old town.
My impression of the pros? Service of the $100 "What`s on" girl was average, great looking, very friendly, but no GFE, only CBJ, no DFK. I wouldn`t call any of the girls real pros, all of them seemed to be semi-pro students. I know, they always tell you they`re students, but dig a little deeper and you`ll be able to tell pretty fast if they`re just making it up. The Riverpalace girls were incredible, 100% GFE, BBBJ, DFK, very passionate. I don`t know where they teach these girls, or girls in EE countries in general, you`d think they take them to some kind of porn summer camp when they`re 15, the way they look at you while they`re at it, the technique, the sounds they make, especially when it comes to oral skills, i seldom had this kind of experience in the west.
Vega: Riga isn`t a "better location far away" to me, I have friends living and working there and I`ve been going there every month during the last year, still, the town never ceases to surprise me.
It wasn`t only the lack of "elite beauties" that disappointed me in Kiev, but considering this is a three million EE capitol, the action on Kreschatyk was pretty depressing. I strongly doubt this had anything to do with exams or vacations at this time of year.
I noticed the outdoor talent on Kreschatyk was lacking too the last weekend I was in Kiev (may 14-15). I remember remarking to an expat buddy as we sat at a cafe at the LG arch that this must be ugly or plain girl weekend in Kiev. I think the usual players were laying low for Eurovision - too many one off tourist wandering around and a lot of bumpkins from the countryside to make it worthwhile for the professional strutter. During the weekday evenings it seemed to be it usual self - once it stopped raining. The optimal time for finding talent is from 6-9pm during the weekdays.
I had an interesting time w/ RP this trip - one double, one game called because of rain and one home run -
1st time - Started the night off at a small private party at a friend’s place. He made the mistake of hooking up with a girl he'd bumped into a few times on the street. Her sister was invited over for me - she was ok, but wouldn't get a 2nd look from me on the street. My friend made the mistake of plying us all with drinks in order to get the party started (get the girls drunk and fuck them). Long story short - I hadn't been drunk in about 12 years - now I remember why it's been 12 years. The girl for me ended up leaving after doing a little slap and giggle and quoting me a price of USD 300 - I was drunk but there was still a few brain cells firing - all I did was laugh or pass out - I can't remember which. But as it turned out that was her excuse for leaving the apartment with two of my friend’s mobile phones and a digital recorder in a huff. In hindsight I think my friend was working with the girls in order to rob himself and that is why he got me drunk. ;) He ended up tapping his girl but then wanted to give her taxi money and send her on her way so we could go out trolling. She did her best Glenn Close impersonation after learning she was about to be put out with the trash. My friend had to actually escort her physically out of the apartment after she starting getting violent. On the way out her purse hit’s the floor opens and out pops my friend’s digital camera. All this while I’m semi comatose at the bottom of the landing waiting for the drama to end and pondering – sushi or River Palace. I know I won’t be able to handle solid food for about an hour so it’s off to River Palace we go. While leaving my buddy's new friend outside his apartment buildings door – My friend will be getting a call from the Karma Police later in the evening (err morning) – literally.
It’s late at the old RP but there is still some doable talent left I spent about 90 minutes having a few waters (dilution is the solution), eating and trying to make my eyes refocus. It’s getting late around 4am, the crowd is thinning and it’s time to go home. I settle on a girl and a back up – as I’m getting ready to make my move (Hello, how are you doing? Want to go home with me, how much? I’m just so smooth) Two guys move in on my #1 girl and my back up at the same time…argh. So I actually end up settling on the girl my buddy has been dancing with (he’s not into p4p, at least he thinks so – he hasn’t found out yet that sis stole his two phones and dig recorder). She’s okay – I’m buzzed and horny.. a little old 26-28 but she has a great attitude so I toss out $100 for 6 hours and she goes for it. Oh, did I mention that while we were at RP the police had called my friend? Seems somehow he had ended up with the girls mobile phone during the scuffle – steal a girl from Kiev’s mobile, I don’t know what my friend was thinking. It would have been safer to sell her little sister into white slavery. So the police, his gf for the night and some headaches are waiting for him at his place. Some condoms, some Coca-Cola, cheese and French chocolate are waiting for me at mine. The girl did indeed have a great attitude. I was still semi buzzed, I had been up and about all day, and the girl was okay looking but not hot enough to over come all these issues. So basically I spent about 2 hours straight mouth fucking her because whenever she wanted me to fuck her there would be a little deflation problem. The harder I mouth fucked her and the more I forced down her throat the more she enjoyed it – when she left she told me what a polite American I was and left her phone number and told me to call her - hence a girl with a great attitude. Overall based on my experiences at RP I would rate this as average. Oh my friend – he spent about an hour or so sorting everything out with the Karma Police, gave the girl a few hundred grivena and her phone to make her go away and then went to his apartment to find some of his stuff missing – D’oh. Oh – did I mention the helpful older guy at River Palace who offered me the sage advice, ‘just offer them money’.
2nd time at River Palace and obviously my first…anyone remember the old phrase, ‘couldn’t get laid in a ***** house with a fist full of 20’s?’ well…
I went to RP for a 2nd time this trip and got caught in the classic mistake of playing ‘well she’s hot, but she’s hot too, and hey I kinda like her, and what about that girl over there’. By the time I finally got around to seriously choosing someone to be my girlfriend for the evening they had all already choose someone else. So then I decided to compound the mistake by going home with choice #17 and what a choice she was…while heading back to my place we play a little slap and tickle in the cab. While still on the river road we get pulled over by the police, they chat briefly with the driver and it’s off we go. I go in to resume the prelims and I get ‘pay me first’. Now this is a first with me from a RP girl, this girl is obviously either a hard core pro or just got stiffed by someone and is still smarting from it. Either way it doesn’t bode for a good time. This girl wants the money up front and she just ain’t getting it from me until we get back to my place. We spend the rest of the 5 minute cab ride going back and forth and it’s so annoying by the time we get to my place I give the driver his money, get out of the cab, call the girl a stupid Ukrainian bimbo and slam the cab door in her face. It’s around 430 in the morning the sun is getting ready to make its appearance. I go up to my apartment to change, go for a jog and reflect – damn I can’t get laid in a *****house in Kiev, wtf I fume. I jog, smile and start to whistle, the new day in Kiev is just starting.
3rd time at the RP and boy it’s a charm…
I had just cleared the screen separating the disco from the entry hall and this tall slender blonde walks right in front of me, Damn she’s hot, considering my luck last time I should just pop the question and take her home now. As it turns out I could have save myself two hours of hanging out at the RP. Because as fate would have it she was indeed the girl I ended up going to home with that night, with a little bonus (about 5’4 100lbs and blonde too ;). But then again for me I enjoy the floorshow at the River Palace, the foods ok and it’s like being at a strip club. My attention wavers from Blonde #1 she sitting a few tables behind me and besides, Momma always said never buy the first thing you see – for the record momma never gave me advice on places like RP. ;) I zone out, listen to the music, watch the girls dance, try to mentally block out the dancing (if you want to call it that) guys. Suddenly a group of girls a few tables over decide to go en mass to the ladies room. I spot an 8 in the herd, perfect body, slender, very large firm breasts and nice long hair – not a blond tho..tsk..tsk. I slap her hand as she goes by and motion of her to come over when she’s done. She returns and we chat a little bit she is hot, but I hope she’s saving her RP money up for some braces or other dental work – nothing hideous, just typical EE. I don’t remember her story, it was pretty typical, but the punch line was USD 200 for one hour. I break one of my rules and go for the 200; my limit at RP is generally 150. But the pictures I’m going to take of the perfect body are going to be worth it. But for one hour…nfw…I tell her 200 is ok, but for 6 hours. She won’t budge so I dismiss her back to her table of friends. She spends the rest of the night looking at me and I spend the night ignoring her. She ends up going home with a local who popped in for a few seconds just before I went home with my two blondes (I didn’t realize there was a pick up window at the RP…;).
Ah, my two blondes, Oksana and Valerie. Oksana was the taller of the two had the better body (for my tastes) so I went up to her and chatted her up with the intention of just bringing her home. We went back to my table, chatted a bit, I popped the question and rate and she smiled and nodded. After waiting for her friend to come back (ladies room of course) she went back to their table behind me, they settle their tab without trying to pass it on me (promising I thought) and Oksana comes back and tells me her friend would like to join us for another $50. I was about to say no, I really wasn’t in the mood for a threesome, but her friend was cute and even if she just hangs out in the apartment and watches MTV it would be a cool vibe. The cab was a small crap mobile and had no room for the three of us in the back. I tried to angle for the back with one of the girls but Valerie pulls Oksana in the back with her and left me in the front. Oh no, this is not looking good at all. The gods were indeed not smiling on my whoring activities in Kiev this trip. Little did I know the gods were indeed smiling and about to send me on a trip reviling my other three some in Kiev during the winter. It’s been my experience with threesome that rarely do both girls work on you at the same time. Not only did both girls work on me at all times but they both did not stop once during the entire 3 hour time we were naked in bed playing. It was an awesome time and saved my RP experience from this trip from being bad or just average.
Boys, you just need to know when to hold them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away and know when to run.
Cya in October
[QUOTE=Axel Springer]I just returned from Kiev last week, I flew from Frankfurt with Ukraine International, my wingman flew from Munich with Czech Airl., had to do one stop in Prague. Getting through customs was fast, just make sure not to give them any wrong numbers when they ask how much cash you have with you, the guy it front of me had some problems because of this, although I´m not sure what exactly the critical amount was.
(great report, thanks for all the info)
[/QUOTE]
My last trip to Kiev I bumped into a typical ugly American tourist at Fridays, this guy had loser written all over him right down to wearing cheapo wrap around sunglasses indoors during a typical Kiev sunless winter.
He was fuming to the bartender when he went to settle his tab that the beers were too expensive and asked for the manager. The manager came out and told him that the prices are clearly marked in the menu he had been giving.
Now Fridays is one of my favorite places to have lunch and muse on the days events when I not in the mood of playing point at my food over at Two Geese. So I decided to pipe up and told the guy, 'exactly how much to you expect to spend for beer at a TGIF's in the very center of the capital city of the Ukraine. If you want cheap beer go to a local pub on the other side of the river.'
TGIF isn't upscale, it's just American and tends to attract us like moths to a flame, that's why the prices are just slightly lower then they would be in the US where TGIF is considered an inexpensive choice. Regarding girls - whether in the US or Kiev girls are seldomn an inexpensive choice. ;)
[QUOTE=Felix Nordic]I dont know why I can't post photos? Something wrong every time.
Cruiser D:
Normally I always negotioate the price in advance. But lately in Moldova and Romania I havnt done so and they have not tried to cheat me. If you know a little about the town they realize they cant trick you. So I just got into this cab and she asked the price. And he noticed and tried a scam! But I just hate to get fooled! He didnt count on that!:)
About Fridays; Well, same policy as for Chicks. You really shouldnt pay western prices even for food when you go to such a poor country. Thats why Fridays is quite upscale by Ukraine standards since normal girls cant afford to go there. Its definetley quite pricy. Infact, central Kiev is quite costly if youre not smart. ´
Ive had genuine girlfriends in Romania and they usually tries to take me to a good restaurant thats not so expensive. That is if the girl loves you. Many girls do the money test to see how rich you are.
And thanks for the tips anyway;)
ISMAEL: Yeah, I ve spoken a few words this the girl in question. I just say; she probably is too good to be true. Its going to cost and will probably not get her into the sack! - Be careful!
And good luck! :)[/QUOTE]
DOC,
Ladies night at River Palace is on a Tuesday and is packed with mostly pro but as it is free for girls to get in there are some semi-pro. I was last in Kiev at the end of February and while in 111, I was trying to chat a girl(body 8/face7) up in drunken English/Russian when her fluent-English speaking friend (madam?) said that i could take her home for $150 for the night. I replied that i only wanted to rent her not own her,as usual humour not understood,so how about $100 for all night? Now she laughs,so I say that she is welcome to think my offer over and get back to me. We spend the next hour looking over at each other and spelling our different amounts with hand signals while my intended dances behind me looking hornier with every beer i have. I went over and said last chance for $100 but she refused so I left thinking that I was not going to help increase the cost of shagging in Kiev and went to River Palace. After 2 hours more drinking I paid $100 for a gorgeous but very blurry girl. So there are definately working girls in 111.
Can't wait to get back in July,
Jack.
CD:
Enjoyed your report, fun to read about other guys experiences and successes... and discovering they make some of the same mistakes that I do... like not trusting your instincts or being indecisive in selection... that rarely ends up going well.
Whenever I am in Kiev I go to TGIF so often it is embarassing... just like you, I dont find that there is anything special about the place...but still go there. Its overpriced for what it is, the quality of the food is only average and all that garbage on the walls and those ridiculous uniforms those poor kids have to wear...
...but it is invariably 5 minutes from any apartment I am staying at so it is easy to meet a date there... and everybody knows where it is. I once made the mistake of agreeing to meet a girl at some restaurant I hadnt heard of and then found out it was near the last station on the metro line going north. And it was winter. Wasted an entire afternoon.
I usually agree to meet girls at TGIF and if I like them move to someplace more sensual... like a dark coffee shop or lounge.
A nice restaurant with excellent Ukrainian food, good atmosphere, a good rep with the ladies and a convenient (although not Kreshatik) location is O'Panas. Its been mentioned here before, but deserves rementioning. It's in the same price category as TGIF but leagues ahead culinarily.
Hi Guys,
I am headed back to Kiev for my annual trip. I will be there June 29th till July 9th then on to Prague. I want to say thanks to all who post great info here and will return the favor.
Like last year I have a couple internet freebe's lined up to add a little spice and varity to the mix. You can look at my old post's from last year to see my method but I can assure you it does work!
If anyone is going to be there at the same time I would love to hook-up for a few beers and a little hunting! Drop me a PM or let me know here.
BTW my apartment is right by McDonalds on Independence Square so a good location. If there are any new hunting sites let me know. Also has anyone tried any of the girls from dosug.com.ua and if so do they speak English well enough that you can order them using the phone?
Thanks and good hunting!
JDI
CD,
Its relative the economic situation.. Therefore TGI might be a cheap place in US but not in Kiev. You really have to take in consideration where in the world you are. Though there ofcourse are much more expensive ones its still way above average what a Kievan can afford. Hence; upscale.
Well, smarter from my own expereinces I will skip the internet dating with ukrainian girls which in general seems to be a large scam industry.
I'll probably going to hit Odessa in the summer and another nice city like Donetsk.
Would be great with a wingman! :)
Just my two cents,
Felix
I just try to put a pic of beautiful but scam Victoryia. Best ass and legs Ive seen. But after free lunch and some extra money for here friend to split between them later.
Cheers and good luck with the hunting!
Felix :)
Picking the right date for the night is as we both know quite the skillful art, experience and observation play quite a role. 90% of the time I hit it right, but that other 10% well...;). I think the best advice I can give anyone on this subject is to know when to cut your losses and not be disappointed in going home alone. Sentiments you echoed in some of your other postings I believe.
I love Fridays for what it is, a great place to meet people. I tend to stay in an apartment on the corner of Shevchenko when I go to Kiev. During the week it's a 2 minute walk. During the weekend when the street is closed it's a 1 minute walk. I also like chatting up the wait staff, they are very friendly to me and I bump into quite a few of them on the street and they always say hello. But you are right, I can do without the clown outfits they wear. I generally don't eat there anymore, the attached Italian place is a much more viable choice if you want food. Seven Samurai across the street has become my new favorite lunch spot and the best sushi I've had in Kiev so far. I'm starting to like Jacob's Cafe in Mandarin Plaza as a early evening musing place and a good place to make a good impression on a non committal first meeting. Also, I think the wait staff (female) is the best dressed in Kiev.
I let one person pick the place we were going to meet when I was in Kiev once. It was the shortest date I've had in a long time. I don't think it lasted more then 20 minutes. I broke three rules and paid the price 1) she picked the place, 2) I met her for dinner, instead of just drinks w/ an option for dinner, 3) She didn't speak english well and had an interpreter with her - D'oh. FYI it was the Arabic place above the food court at Globus.
I've met about 30 girls at Fridays so far, the downside being I can't hit on the waitstaff anymore. I tried once on my last trip and got shot down faster then you can say American pig dog man...;)
I'll have to try O'Panas on my next trip. The only Ukrainian places I've been to so far is Two Geese, the Fat House and The Wall. The first two are good for what they are and I think the Wall is way past it's prime.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]CD:
Enjoyed your report, fun to read about other guys experiences and successes... and discovering they make some of the same mistakes that I do... like not trusting your instincts or being indecisive in selection... that rarely ends up going well.
Whenever I am in Kiev I go to TGIF so often it is embarassing... just like you, I dont find that there is anything special about the place...but still go there. Its overpriced for what it is, the quality of the food is only average and all that garbage on the walls and those ridiculous uniforms those poor kids have to wear...
...but it is invariably 5 minutes from any apartment I am staying at so it is easy to meet a date there... and everybody knows where it is. I once made the mistake of agreeing to meet a girl at some restaurant I hadnt heard of and then found out it was near the last station on the metro line going north. And it was winter. Wasted an entire afternoon.
I usually agree to meet girls at TGIF and if I like them move to someplace more sensual... like a dark coffee shop or lounge.
A nice restaurant with excellent Ukrainian food, good atmosphere, a good rep with the ladies and a convenient (although not Kreshatik) location is O'Panas. Its been mentioned here before, but deserves rementioning. It's in the same price category as TGIF but leagues ahead culinarily.[/QUOTE]
I am in Kiev right now. This is my first trip to Ukraine, and I would like to share my experience with you guys.
First, let me describe myself:
1. I can only speak just a few words of Russian (yes, no, thank you, please, etc.).
2. I am a young looking mid 30s, above average attractive guy. I am fit and do fine with girls in my home, Vancouver, Canada. I typically date girls in mid to late 20s.
3. Girls back home consider my strong points are good sense of humor, easy going manner, sharp dress, etc.
4. I do hobbies occasionally, especially when I travel. Most of my experience are in Canada. I have visited Germany, Holland and Czech republic before, but not former Soviet Union countries.
My main focus here in Kiev was freebees. My goal was to get girls a notch above what I would get at home.
Having said that, this is how things went:
After arriving at Kiev, I went out and tried to find an internet cafe. I asked cute girls on the street where internet cafes are located. These girls are accepting my approach. And they are trying to help me. However, I found there weren't many English speaking girls here. They do speak a few words of English (like I don't know, or go straight 5 minutes, etc), but not at the level I can carry on the conversation.
I went to Arena disco first night, and it was a great place. I arrived shortly after midnight and the place was happening. There were many good looking girls with very short skirts, and guy/girl ration was definitely my favor (1.5/1 - 2/1). I spotted a cute girl at the bar and went to talk to her. I asked what she was drinking (in English), and she did not understand what I said. After a few attempt, she just turned around and ignored me. So I gave up.
I hit the dance floor and spotted another cute girl. I went straight in front of her and grabbed her hands started dance together. She did not refuse my approach. We danced tother for a short while, and I started to talk to her. But again, she did not understand English.
I also spotted another cute girl at the bar on the other side. So I went to talk to her, and the same story.
My feeling is that these girls are open to my approach and willing to talk to me. But it's not possible because of my lack of Russian/Ukrainian language skill. Furthermore, because of the language issue, I cannot use one of my strongest traits, my sense of humor. So, honestly, I could not see any possibility of getting a freebee here in Kiev. I have heard great stories of Dr. Skank or Roger Mellie. I would assume they are fluent in Russian. I do not know if my story is a typical one for no Russian speaker. If any of you have done better without Russian language skill, I would certainly appreciate the tip.
So the second night, I hit River Palace. I went there around 11:30 PM and stayed there until 1 AM. Most of girls there were 5 - 6 range, and they were asking $200 for 4 hours to $300 for 1 hour. I did not see any of semi-pro type. All of them appearted to be well seasoned. I finally settled with Sveta from Minsk for $150 until 4 AM. I must have been horney. She was less attractive than the girls I would ask out in Vancouver, but I thought the price was right. Overall, her performance was not very inspiring, and I would certainly not recommend her to anybody.
So far, my best pro experience has been at FKKs. I had sessions with girls who are 8 - 9. And it's only 50 Euro/session + entry fee and taxi. From pure economical point of view, Kiev has a lot less return on investment. Since freebee seems to be not a strong option, it does not make much sense for me to come back to Kiev in the future.
I will visit Odessa from here. I will continue my report.
You guys that have been through Borispol before and after the tourist visa situation, are there seperate queues for people with visas and just people coming in on the new non-visa tourist status? I still have second visit on a double-entry (im so juvenile that i still laugh at the Embassy in London when the staff ask me if i want single-entry or double entry) visa so it may be quicker. I have used a contact at the airport who meets me in arrivals lounge and takes me straight through for $30 but if it no longer takes an hour to clear customs i wont need him. Also when i was last in Kiev in November it was possible to get 10 grv to the £ and 5grv to the $, so it was better to bring £sterling instead of changing it to dollars in London. Has the situation changed?
Thanks in advance for your information,
Jack.
If a girl in Kiev ignores you while speaking, it doesn't neccessarily have to mean that she's just fluent in keeping up with the conversation.
Most important of all, the better looking a girl is the greater the chance that she can carry out a conversation in English..
I was in shanghai last month and i too faced the same problem of communication, and it was really a frustrating experience as being so close yet so far.
we know this one's in my reach, yet it pains to see it go, while searching the net i come across a mobile device which automatically translates the native language into english and vice-versa, just speak to the device and it would translates it into ukrainian or russian or whatever loud and clear :) and vice versa too.
Now no need to take week long classses or the word learning, just pop in the pill thats it :) and as for language barrier, this device would take care of it.
you could get info on the device at [url]http://www.ectaco.com/?refid=2155[/url]
The first time i went i had no info on what to do in shanghai, i was lost and i was as horny as a bull, just paid extra for everything and thought it sucks man, i too thought i would never come back, but when the language barrier disappeared, i was as good as a local there, no problemo :)
hope this helps !!
good luck with your hunt !!
You still have to go through passport control whether or not you have a visa. There are three queues, or as us Americans like to say, lines - non resident, diplomatic and resident. The signs on the diplomatic booths are generally ignored.
The current exchange rates are 1USD = 5.039 UAH, 1 GBP = 9.18953 UAH and 1 GBP = 1.82378 USD. I don't understand what the difference is if you bring USD or GBP?
And hey, the good new is Aerosvit, one of the Ukrainian national Airlines is dumping 25mil into Borispol for a new terminal - it will be nice to have more then two gates.
[QUOTE=Jackmiov]You guys that have been through Borispol before and after the tourist visa situation, are there seperate queues for people with visas and just people coming in on the new non-visa tourist status? I still have second visit on a double-entry (im so juvenile that i still laugh at the Embassy in London when the staff ask me if i want single-entry or double entry) visa so it may be quicker. I have used a contact at the airport who meets me in arrivals lounge and takes me straight through for $30 but if it no longer takes an hour to clear customs i wont need him. Also when i was last in Kiev in November it was possible to get 10 grv to the £ and 5grv to the $, so it was better to bring £sterling instead of changing it to dollars in London. Has the situation changed?
Thanks in advance for your information,
Jack.[/QUOTE]
I want to clarify something Cruiser said. Everyone, visa or not, has to go through passport control and everyone, again with visa or not, must fill out that toilet paper immigration "card". Do not lose the part they give you or you can face some hassles from the border guards when you leave.
When you do come in, while there are signs that do say diplomatic, resident and non-residents, no one, but no one who comes here with any frequency actually goes to that particular corridor that applies to them. It is one mad rush to the front of ANY of the above three sections. It is a way of making you feel right at home in Ukraine where queues have their own way of operating.
As for currency, I am not sure why you want to bring Sterling. There are so few exchange points outside the very center that take Sterling. You are better off with dollars.
For up to the minute (or day) rates, go to this site and you can see what it is in a variety of currencies:
[url]http://finance.ua/en/[/url]
Then click on currency converter. A very useful and handy item when you are still at home and counting the pennies you need for the trip.
And, Cruiser, there are some very major questions and problems with the new Aerosvit Terminal. They are under criminal investigation (who is not from the old regime!) for supposedly illegally privatizing the land they are building on. I am not yet sure if that has been resolved but until then, it may be a long time before we see a new and better terminal.
CRUISER D,
I am British and the banks rob us when we change sterling into dollars so I was just seeing if i got a better deal with the £ but i have done the maths and you are right there is not a lot of difference, thankyou.
As i said, I do have a contact who gets me through customs in 5 mins but it is a bit cloak and dagger as at the end you have to follow him and pay him $30 somewhere private which was a bit nerveracking the first time but is very efficient and I have done it 4 times now. I will ask them if I can give their telephone number to any interested WSG members.
Jack.
A construction project in the Ukraine is behind schedule and there is a criminal investigation...how odd. ;)
I wonder if the new goverment is actually interested in playing fair and square or if they are simply undoing the previous deals so they can get their own piece of the pie. Time will tell but I generally don't give politicians of any nation the benefit of a doubt.
Borispil needs to be upgraded, badly. If the new government is playing political football with it is a very bad sign of things to come.
[url]http://www.airport-borispol.kiev.ua[/url] is the website for Borispil
[url]http://www.aerosvit.ua/eng[/url] is the website for Aerosvit
From the Aerosvit website...
"AeroSvit Airlines has invested US$12 million in the construction of a new international terminal complex at Borispol Airport, stated Grigoriy Gurtovoy, Co-chairman of the Supervisory Board of CJSC AeroSvit. His comments were made in an interview published by the Ukrainian weekly newspaper The Economic News on February 3. According to the article, preparations for construction were already underway. The project is slated to begin by the end of March 2005. In addition to the US$6 million AeroSvit has invested, Gurtovoy said “An approximately equal amount was raised due to an additional issue of AeroSvit’s shares in December of the past year. The company is holding negotiations with Western European and Russian banks to finance the rest of the construction work, the total value of which shall be US$100 million.”
Gurtovoy said the general contractor for the project would be appointed by the end of March 2005. He noted that four candidates have been selected as a result of a tender organized by AeroSvit: TAV (Turkey), ALPINE (Austria), KESZ (Hungary) and SHUMA (Turkey). “The first position in this list is occupied by the building firm TAV, with whom we are now negotiating. If the parties fail to agree, negotiations will be held with other candidates in turn.” According to the AeroSvit’s administration, the main part of the construction will be performed by Ukrainian companies under subcontracts with the general contractor.
The new international terminal, terminal “D,” will go into operation by the end of 2006. The total area of the complex, which includes a passenger gallery and a parking area in addition to the terminal, will be over 60,000 square meters. The capacity of the new terminal will reach 2,000 passengers per hour or 3.5 million passengers per year.
The Government of Japan has expressed its readiness to finance the construction of another terminal at Borispol, dubbed terminal “E.” According to The Economic News, work on this project will begin in 2007 and will be completed in 2010. The article also stated that the construction of terminal “E” would begin only after the Official Delegations Hall is relocated. Plans are to reconstruct the entire airfield infrastructure using Japanese credit. This includes new platforms and parking for aircraft.
The construction of terminals “D” and “E” will be coordinated in terms of priority and commissioning time of the facilities. The Economic News also informed its readers that a common master plan developed by Borispol Airport’s administration team unites both projects. "
[QUOTE=Uke Boy]
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And, Cruiser, there are some very major questions and problems with the new Aerosvit Terminal. They are under criminal investigation (who is not from the old regime!) for supposedly illegally privatizing the land they are building on. I am not yet sure if that has been resolved but until then, it may be a long time before we see a new and better terminal.[/QUOTE]
I generally bring around 2k USD for umm, 'friends' when I come to Kiev and when I need local money I just max out my ATM daily charge limit. I even found an ATM machine in Metrograd that will spit out USD. But there really is no point to that; the local currency seems solid for now.
I haven't been to Borispil a lot of times (that is going to change) but I've never had a problem clearing passport control and customs in a reasonable amount of time. The only problem I had was when I left a couple of weeks ago it took forever and a day to check through the BA desk. During my arrival the airport was very busy, including the dreaded planeload of Libyans...no problems.
Sorry everyone for my flurry of postings. I'm going through Kiev withdrawal and it's part of my therapy.
Has anyone flown Aerosvits non stop service from NYC, how is it? I’m betting the FA’s are hot and the service is terrible. ;)
[QUOTE=Jackmiov]CRUISER D,
I am British and the banks rob us when we change sterling into dollars so I was just seeing if i got a better deal with the £ but i have done the maths and you are right there is not a lot of difference, thankyou.
As i said, I do have a contact who gets me through customs in 5 mins but it is a bit cloak and dagger as at the end you have to follow him and pay him $30 somewhere private which was a bit nerveracking the first time but is very efficient and I have done it 4 times now. I will ask them if I can give their telephone number to any interested WSG members.
Jack.[/QUOTE]
I need to be in Kiev every month, starting in July 2005. So far, I have no idea about apartments, clubs, restaurants and the fun involved!
I am not really looking for straight sex, but for sensual massages with "special services" offered in bath houses, shower clubs e.g.. I have seen bathhouses advertising for 2girl-1guy-bathes with "total relaxation", which sounded just fine to me.
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Wally -
Try rakuena.kiev.ua. I've never used them, but I plan on trying them this summer.
Thank you Jack for the info. I did check out their www-page which sounds great. when you get through to the girls and the interior, things might looke different (horrible!). Any comments and reports on rakuena.kiev.ua?
I'll be happy about more to cum...pm or post. Thank you!
I have been to Palace Hotel. The lobby bar is full of sunning beauties, I have no clue about their going-rates, though.
Been there in Kiev late May with my buddy. We had booked 2 luxurious apartments very close to each other on Shevchenka Bld near Bessarabska square with [url]http://www.uaapartments.com[/url] . Well we had none of them although the manager Dimitri confirmed the apartments 2 weeks earlier :(
Instead I had an equivalent apartment near Bessarabska square but my buddy got an awful apartment on Lesi Ukrainia, 15 mn from me and with a rough slope before to get in. The apartment was renewed but without telephone, without conditioned air, the windows to the south, very hard to live and sleep when it’s 30°C outside and mosquitos and flies inside. Dimitri just agreed to lower a little bit the price : $64 instead of $69. After 2 nights (he paid only 3 nights so he could search another place), my buddy changed to an apartment from Serguey Kulik ([url]http://www.apartments.com.ua[/url] ), better located, cooler and cheaper ($60). I don’t say that Dimitri is dishonest, but I know that if I come back to Kiev, it would be with another apartment renter. If what you book is not what you get, it’s a big problem for most of us, apparently not for Dimitri.
We went twice to River Palace. Good looking girls, most of them ranging from 6 to 8, didn’t see a 9 but didn’t search everywhere. It was packed but there was a 1:1 guy/girl ratio. First time, my buddy choosed a tall good looking brunett for 150 euros. In my case, at 3am there was nobody left that I would have paid 150 euros for a sex session until 6 or 7am. The only one that I liked was Marina, about 166 cm, blonde with low-cut and beautiful breasts. She said she was a 23 y.o student and spoke reasonnable good english. Her face reminded me of Milena, the nightmare of Roger Mellie (see photo gallery, dec.03 2004). Of course I didn’t have her photo when I met her but this was enough for me to come back alone. It was my first night in Kiev, I was tired and not really in adventurous mind. Now that I watch again Milena’s photo, I am not sure that Marina is Milena. RM, why she was a nightmare ? Did she dance with a naughty smile ? How tall was Milena ? Did she have beautiful breast (B/C cup) ?
Second time to River Palace : we couldn’t find a good looking girl who would go for less than 200 euros. Also we were not desperate to get laid : my buddy was a little sick. In my case, I had drunk too much vodka and already had a 2 hours sex session in the afternoon with an escort girl :) The two times in River Palace I recognized the blondie pro (see photos from Doctor Skank on dec.12 2004) but didn’t talked to her.
Actually during my trip, I only booked escort girls from Gia ([url]http://www.gia.com.ua[/url] ) and Kiev Beauties ([url]http://www.kievbeauties.kiev.ua[/url] , thanks to Uke Boy). For a 2 hours meeting in my apartment, it was $110 with Gia and $100 with Kiev Beauties. For me it’s a better deal than to pay $180-$250 in River Palace for a sex session between 3am and 6am, and at night I prefer to sleep. Stars From Heaven / Desired Stars ([url]http://www.desiredstars.com[/url] ) was too expensive (minimum 4 hours / 200 euros) and they didn’t have stunning girls that would justify the price in Kiev.
I booked Zhanna, Nastia from Gia, and Diana, Katya, Tanya from Kiev Beauties. Limited services (no DFK, no BBBJ, not even fingering), but good meetings with Zhanna, Katya and Tanya. Kiev Beauties is not much known in this forum. I would recommend them, it’s an escort agency for foreigners, their girls speak english and are semi-pro (often students who don’t do escorting every day) and they have been serious and reliable with me :)
My buddy also tried to call the numbers for intim services in Kyiv Post. He wanted to go to a brothel and choose his girl among 4 girls but it’s not a brothel. They only wanted to send 2 girls in taxi to make his choice. They were supposed to be english speaking top-models for $150 / 2 hours. We didn’t like that and called another phone. 2nd call : same situation. 3rd call : the operator got pissed, it’s the same operator for nearly all the ads !
We went to Millenium strip club in hotel Dnipro, entrance 100 grivnas ($19), reasonable prices for drinks. Really good looking girls, 7-9 in looks, nearly 200cm tall with their high heels, very good show (but I am not specialist). We were approached by 2 girls who quickly asked us if we lived in the hotel (guess for what !) and if we would offer them some drinks. They were not the best looking ones and we politely declined. We observed the situation : girls talking to customers, private dance 300 grivnas ($59). Two times we saw a stripper got dressed in normal clothes coming back to a customer and leaving the club with him. I guess it was expensive but we were not proposed that. The girls already knew that we were not in the hotel and not ready to spend extra bucks.
I have also been to Bagira Massage ([url]http://bagira.net.ua[/url] ), so-so english speaking manager. I could choose among 3 masseuses (erotic massage 1h / 250 grivnas / $49) and Bagira herself (600 grivnas / $118). I didn’t really like Bagira so I didn’t even ask what she would do for that price. I choosed Lena. We came to a small massage room (less than 7 square meters) with mirrors, relaxing music, shower, clean towel and bed. Shower together, good oiled tonic massage, and body-body with breast and ass. No penetration, I was allowed to touch her breast and buttocks, hand and breast relief. Good performance from Lena, I gave her a little tip.
Wallyally : you may come to Bagira, it’s not in the center but 2 metro stations away from Palats Sportu (near Bessarabska). First time : better go with a taxi and mobile phone, not easy to find if you don’t speak russian. It’s opened in the afternoon if you call them before. Rakuena opens at 10 pm. There is also Anahata ([url]http://www.anahata.kiev.ua[/url] ) the massage salon from Gia.
Jackmiov, CRUISER D,
I'm in prep for a Kiev trip this summer thanks both for great information. Just to continue your GBP / USD thread go to ex.com for exchanges... I now use this a lot and get a true "non-tourist" rate of exchange. Not purely at banks-best rate, but still better than any travel shop, airport tourist scam rate etc.
Best wishes, Havanaman
Hi guys,
I'm going to visit Kiev coming week, this will be my first time to UKR and I plan to stay for a month or two. Due to my background I speak Russian, English and German all pretty good, and don't mind helping out those of you who don't speak Russian. PM me if interested. I would appreciate a company anyway - this way it's more fun exploring UKR.
Stakan
Not much has been written in this forum on where to find WG's during daylight hours.
Apart from the obvious, such as the escort agencies, those advertising online and in publications like "what’s on", there doesn't appear to be much choice.
The only place I know that is guaranteed to have working girls during the day is Eric’s Bar, they are available as early as 1pm here.
Anybody got any alternative bars and restaurants to pick up WG's during the days?
Hello all,
Just back from 3 days in Kiev. I was meant to spend 3 days with a date from the internet but told her I was sick and unable to travel. She rates only a 6 and after my last trip to the Ukraine I'm getting fussy! How weird.
Arrived with no problems at immigration and headed to O'Briens to watch Ireland grab defeat from the jaws of victory. Usual hassles with taxis but ended up first at Moda bar which looks good and has plenty of talent but not really my thing. Gave it until 1am before heading down to RP as this was my first visit there. Wow!. Great talent. My biggest problem was choosing. Also without a table you find your self always in somebodies way.
Headed downstairs to the bar part to watch the live music. Got the glad eye from a Xenia princess warrior lookalike who was to be my target. Ended up sitting beside an alright looking blond, maybe a 6, who gave me the full marketing treatment. Just like Ireland before, I now grabbed defeat....etc and took Veronica home for the night for $100 instead of about 20 girls who were better looking. Took 3 seconds to haggle her way down from $200. She told me she wasn't a prostitute but that she needed money etc Agreed OWO, CIM and some licking which were all delivered upon.
Back at my apartment she rang herself on my mobile saying "I call you tomorrow and we go shopping"! She rang 11 times and I only shagged her twice!
Sunday afternoon I had the pleasure of Nastia and Kristina from GIA for a 2 hour lesbian session. I had originally booked Larisa and Veronika but they were both sick.
Anyway, I found Nastia to be a real cracker. Just my taste in girls, Very GFE and sensual, but Kristina was a little too shy for me. Real girl on girl stuff which is what I was looking for so no complaints. Her pics do not do her justice. Licked Nastia out while she licked Kristina. Felt like I was in a porn movie.
That night was a date with Viktoria, one of my internet girls. She looked very sexy and stylish in her photos but in reality she looked and acted like a complete tart.
Perfect!
We met outside TGI Fridays which was 50 yards from my apartment. She brought along her cousin which seemed funny to me but I just went with the flow. Ate across the road which I paid for, a total of 20 dollars for all 3 of us. Can't tell you the name as it was in Russian. After that we went down to "Chateau" on Kreschatyk st and had a fair amount to drink. The girls were lunatics but great fun. Afterwards, when I paid the bill, with help from their discount card, I thought that would be the end of it but I was now glad that I went with this one. Straight back to my place we went as if we had all agreed this before, a couple of beers followed by Viktoria saying " my cousin wants sex". After about 20 miinutes of licking out and shagging "her cousin", sorry but I can't remember her name, Viktoria came in and said "my turn now".
In between sessions, while I recovered, they played with each other. I asked if they had had lesbian sex together before and they replied "of course but tonight we have you".
About 2 hours later they said they had to go and I had done all I could to satisfy them and really needed some sleep. I now expected some sort of "you pay now" sort of comment but instead I got a "can we take a couple of beers with us" and off they went.
The night cost me $100 in total so I guess it wan't free but it kinda was.
Second half tomorrow as I'm wrecked.
IL
Having had a relatively early one last night (3am), I decided to do some other research on this trip.
I called Vice Sisters/Kiev Vice from the Kiev post but mentioned here before and spoke to a girl in English. I was quoted $50 for an hour or $100 an hour to include anal. I said I'd call back at 6pm and headed out to resttown for a look. It doesn't open until the evening so a wasted journey.
Called back Vice sisters and asked for a girl for an hour to include anal and 45 minutes later, Dana arrived. Pretty girl with blondeish hair. I gave her $100 which seemed to confuse her until we discovered she didn't do anal. There had been a communication problem in between my 2 calls.
Without any problems, Dana offered to go and I said she should stay and she reached in to her bag refunding me $50. A good hour of DATY and OWO followed by sex was had and I would recommend Dana to anyone.
That night I headed down to RP for a look as everything was quiet around my area. Arena and Chaikovskys were both dead.
As expected, some excellent talent. Spoke to a few girls, none of them too pushy but ended up talking to a blond stunner called Katya who wanted $200 for the night. I asked her what services were available and she replied that as she was only 20, she didn't know much about "sex services". So I replied that I'd come back when she was 25 and said to her "it was nice to meet you". This seemed to catch her right off guard and she followed me to the far side of the bar. She asked what I was looking for and I told her DATY some OWO and some ass licking both ways. It turned out that my earlier comment had made her think I was looking for something she didn't actually know about and that all my requests were fine by her. I told her that $200 was out of my league so we agreed on $100 for 2 hours. It was early enough so I was glad to be home by 2am. With Katya, and in fact all the girls I have met from The Ukraine, they seem to find a man wanting to lick them out to be a bit unusual but they all love it. Nastia, Dana and now Katya called me a "professional". They all also really get in to it, playing with themselves and afterwards they cuddle and show real affection. The OWO are usually short attempts but as that's not my thing it doesn't really bother me too much.
On the Tuesday morning I was collected by my driver and brought Via GIA's apartment to meet Alla for 2 hours to include Anal. Price $130. As she is new she is only available there. She's a pretty 21 year old with stunning eyes and nice breasts but only 5 feet tall. Excellent service with almost no English but her Greek was excellent. She also really enjoyed being licked out with her hands all over her own body. With 20 minutes left I tried to leave as I was under some time pressure but she got really upset and started to kiss me all over putting a condom on me for a blowjob. I tried to explain that I was 40 years old and was wrecked from the last few days but she was upset that I thought she was no good. So I faked it! This was made easy because as I nearly came ( much to her credit) I got cramps in both calf muscles and in my upper legs too!
Headed home giving her $20 tip so she could understand I was happy, close to dying but happy.
Irish Lad
Irish!
Man you did great in Kiev too! I envy you the second time! But I also guess with some luck/skills in combination with timing you can have the time of your life:) Im going to Ukraine this summer again! I had to little time and got stuck with a scam from an internet site!
Great reports! :)
Im going after the leopards again,
Felix:)
PS. Keep up the good work fellows!
Can you tell me what you mean with DATY and OWO? Sorry, I am not that experienced in short therms.:)
You wrote that you took Alla from Gia for greek. Was she really good and experienced in it? Because she is still young? Maybe I want to take her too at the end of the week but I look for a girl who really enjoys having anal sex. Thats why I ask you the question.
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Irish Lad:
I second Felix Nordic's comments and am anxiously awaiting part III of your report... great "work" in Kiev and Odessa, especially the Kiev "all in the family" tag team sex-a-thon! Pics would be appreciated if possible...
Just one point could you please clarify Irish Lad.
Regarding Moda Bar, you said plenty of talent, but
why wasn't it your thing?
Hi
To clarify:
A Bacardi & Coke was 40 hrivnas! ( Technically 39, but I never got 11 back).
I was there for maybe 2 hours and during this time there was a band, a fashion show, an acrobat and finally a "vampire" show on the ground floor.
All very good entertainment but it distracted both myself and others from connecting.
I've just booked my return visit to Kiev for the 16th, 17th and 26th June with 8 nights in Odessa in between so I may look again if you think I was wrong about this place.
Please can someone advise. Is this true? And 2 weeks before I get to Kiev!
From: [url]http://www.go2kiev.com/bars.html[/url]
Cocktail Bar 111
We have very sad news for all fans of 111 - it is closed for good because a disagreement on the rental conditions. All can migrate to 112 for a similar atmosphere but it probably won't be the same..
112
Krasnoarmyiska 5, Arena
This is a new nightclub giving you the opportunity to enjoy similar atmosphere and music as in 111 but in the very city center.
Hello all,
What is your assessment of the escort websites in Kiev? such as : [url]www.gia.com.ua[/url]
[url]www.vip-agency.org[/url]
[url]www.ukraine-kontakt.de[/url]
[url]www.uaescort.com/ads/index.php?ct=kiev[/url]
escortmodels-kiev.by.ru
[url]www.kiev-x.com[/url]
[url]www.kievbeauties.kiev.ua[/url]
[url]www.heaventaste.com[/url]
[url]www.escort4u.h12.ru[/url]
[url]www.desiredstars.com[/url]
[url]www.barbie.com.ua[/url]
I am not into bars until 3am. I prefer outcalls.
Kind regards.
Bimbo Boy
I tried several of the numbers listed on ukraine-kontakt.de when i was in Kiev in may, none of the numbers were working at any time.
BB, like you I prefer to sleep at night ;)
I have called several times Gia and Kiev Beauties during my trip in Kiev, serious and reliable agencies, $100-$115 for 2 hours in my appartment (taxi included), see my report on 06-05-05. Desired Stars (formerly known as Stars From Heaven) has good reputation but is a little bit expensive for Kiev (minimum 200 euros for 4 hours).
I tried to call Barbie but they didn't speak english. There is also Exotic Ukrainian ([url]www.escort.odessa.ua[/url]) in Kiev / Odessa. Heaven Taste has so-so reputation on [url]www.escortfr.net[/url] and [url]www.leguiderose.net[/url] (french review sites), they provide city tours in France, Greece and Italy and I don't think that they work in Kiev.
vip-agency.org is known to be a scam on [url]www.leguiderose.net[/url]. I guess that escort4u.h12.ru is also a scam because of their ridiculous low prices and their fake photo of Marianna (she's an erotic model, don't remember her name). The other ones are not escort agencies.
Hello Ismael,
Alla was very good despite being young. I will see her again. She doesn't speak much English but that was fine. OWO is oral without condom and DATY means Dining At The Y ( I think). Ie:Licking a woman.
BB
GIA were good, Nastia was very nice and spoke good English. Vice sisters will send you someone for anal sex for $100 for an hour. I don't know who but they don't really have too many ugly girls in Kiev so I would expect them to be all pretty good looking. Just say when you call that she must be beautiful or you will send her away! Does the trick.
IL
IL,
Great reports! And thank you for the info about Odessa also.
I, too, tried Moda Bar on my very last night in Ukraine. It was a nice place with mixture of pros and non pros. As you mentioned, the drinks were ridiculously expensive. My two drinks cost me over 100 grivna. And some pros I talked to wanted to have $300. That was ridiculous also. Then the taxi outside wanted 60 grivna to my apartment. I thought RP's 50 grivna taxis were ridiculous!
It seems you had much better time than I did in Kiev. I did not see anybody above 6 at RP when I visited there. Someone reported that ladies get in free on Tuesdays. If I were to go back to Kiev again, I would try RP on Tuesday night, as well as some escort agencies.
BTW, I tried several restaurants in Kiev and what I do NOT recommend is Kazbek. It's far from the city center and dinner for two would easily cost over $100. Food was decent, but nothing outstanding for the price I paid. Never go back.
The rotating bar at 111 and the submachine gun toting police officers were 'cool'. Otherwise I wasn't all that impressed but I always did have a good experience there....I was wondering what was up with 112 when I was there in May, Eric must have knew he was going to be closing 111 soon.
Here's another blurb from go2kiev.com (otherwise a GREAT website)
"Shooters
Moskovska 22
Fancy interior, tasty cocktails and waitresses in minimalist outfits. Shooters celebrated it's first birthday in October. Go at around 21-22.00."
Fancy interior? Was I missing something? An upstairs? A downstairs? Also I'm surprised in a place like Kiev there isn't a place were the waitstaff is dressed like complete sluts - ie Vegas - spiked heels...ultra short skirts..perhaps there is and I just haven't found it yet.
[QUOTE=Timetech]Please can someone advise. Is this true? And 2 weeks before I get to Kiev!
From: [url]http://www.go2kiev.com/bars.html[/url]
Cocktail Bar 111
We have very sad news for all fans of 111 - it is closed for good because a disagreement on the rental conditions. All can migrate to 112 for a similar atmosphere but it probably won't be the same..
112
Krasnoarmyiska 5, Arena
This is a new nightclub giving you the opportunity to enjoy similar atmosphere and music as in 111 but in the very city center.[/QUOTE]
Cruiser D,
Thanks for message. Shame about 111. So you didn't like Shooters? I thought it sounded OK and was going to head there. What are your favourite places ?
Thanks
I haven't seen this site advertised before, just wondering if it is any good :)
[url]http://www.sexykiev.biz/[/url]
I loved Shooters the one time I went there - I ended up getting grabbed up by a group of girls from Moscow. It was jammed packed full of locals, mostly college students. There is nothing wrong with the club per se, it's just that the interior is about as special as a cardboard box.
I don't think you can go wrong going to any club mentioned in kiev2go.com -funny how they left out River Palace. The driving force behind the site seems to be a girl named Anna...and not too many Ukrainian girls are fond of RP.
[QUOTE=Timetech]Cruiser D,
Thanks for message. Shame about 111. So you didn't like Shooters? I thought it sounded OK and was going to head there. What are your favourite places ?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Hello all.
Went to River Palace last Thursday. No result but important to mention that I met a good looking Russian girl 7/10 who asked for $200. I said it was too much for me and she turned on her heels with a "bye bye".
Had drunk far too much and back in my apartment I decided to call Vice Sisters. They said someone would be there in 30 minutes. An hour later I called back and they told me the girl was sick and not coming! Neither was I so!
Booked Larissa from GIA on Friday afternoon for 2 hours. This girl loves her sex. $120 to include OWO and CIM. She also does anal which we didn't get round to.
In the evening I met up with Nastia from GIA who I had booked for 10 hours. We went to the Сarribean Club for some drinks and dancing. She is a real foxy lady and great company too. A great dancer and was surrounded by guys whenever she danced alone. We were looking for a 3rd girl to join us and finally got talking to a girl there who was interested but as she was with her friend she couldn't come. No money expected. We'll do this another time as we swopped numbers. All in all a great night as Nastia is a very cool and open person. I recommend her to anyone looking for a sexy, classy girl and a GFE. Very tactile and affectionate.
Hi Irish Lad,
Thanks for that report.
I'm soon going on a business trip to Kiev and also plan to sample some of Gia's girls.
Could you please write some more about both Larissa and Nastia?
For example...ho were Larissa's BBBJ skills? Did she allow a full CIM, or just partly. Did she swallow? How was her English? Would you consider her a GFE, or just a sex maniac?
How is Nastia for sex? It seems she doesn't do much. No kissing, no BBBJ, etc. Did you consider her boring in bed?
Thanks in advance for your comments.
Regards,
BBBJ
[QUOTE=Irish Lad]Hello all.
Went to River Palace last Thursday. No result but important to mention that I met a good looking Russian girl 7/10 who asked for $200. I said it was too much for me and she turned on her heels with a "bye bye".
Had drunk far too much and back in my apartment I decided to call Vice Sisters. They said someone would be there in 30 minutes. An hour later I called back and they told me the girl was sick and not coming! Neither was I so!
Booked Larissa from GIA on Friday afternoon for 2 hours. This girl loves her sex. $120 to include OWO and CIM. She also does anal which we didn't get round to.
In the evening I met up with Nastia from GIA who I had booked for 10 hours. We went to the Сarribean Club for some drinks and dancing. She is a real foxy lady and great company too. A great dancer and was surrounded by guys whenever she danced alone. We were looking for a 3rd girl to join us and finally got talking to a girl there who was interested but as she was with her friend she couldn't come. No money expected. We'll do this another time as we swopped numbers. All in all a great night as Nastia is a very cool and open person. I recommend her to anyone looking for a sexy, classy girl and a GFE. Very tactile and affectionate.[/QUOTE]
Hello.
1. Larissa.
I would describe Larissa as a very friendly sex maniac. She's a little zany and funky as you may see from her pics. She didn't swallow but neither did she "run" to the bathroom after I had finished. Her English was more than fine for the occasion that was in it. I would recommend her to you unless swallowing is important to you.
2. Nastia.
I met up with Nastia by accident on my previous trip to Kiev. I had also noticed the absence of services but neither of my first 2 choices were available. She is a lot sexier in real life than her pics and if they were a likeness I would have placed her 1st on my wishlist.
She is far from boring in bed. She is very affectionate, responsive and not "cold" like you might expect from her menu. I might mention here that my next trip will include a 3some with herself and Larissa as she told me that she had "great sex" with Larissa a few weeks ago. For me this negates the lack of services available. Her English is very good and she's a smart girl.
Anything else?
Nice reports Irish...
Most of the girls at RP seem to be a case of YMMV in regards to price. I've talked with a few girls who worked for agencies and now work at RP. They like it for two reasons - 1) they get to keep all the money, of course 2) they get to choose who they go home with. "I like you, but I like you even more if you give me $150" ;)
And what’s up with 'Russian' girls at RP? Are they Ukrainian girls who spent some time working in Moscow and now think it's more sophisticated to say they are 'Russian'?
Caribbean is one of my favorite clubs in Kiev, it has a nice relaxing mellow vibe and girls always out number the guys. However it's rare to see an 8 or a 9 there.
[QUOTE=Irish Lad]Hello all.
Went to River Palace last Thursday. No result but important to mention that I met a good looking Russian girl 7/10 who asked for $200. I said it was too much for me and she turned on her heels with a "bye bye".
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[/QUOTE]
Irish,
Thanks! That was very helpful. I guess I'll have to give them both a try then ;)
Have you or anybody else on this board ever tried Zhanna, Kristina or Ksyusha? I'm trying to narrow down my selection here :)
Would appreciate some more in depth info on their performance, services, character and level of English.
Also, has anybody else ever tried the Gia airport pickup service? How does this work? Do one of the girls from the website come to meet with you, or will it be some ugly guy? Is it woth the 35$ ?
Thanks in advance guys!
Regards,
BBBJ
[QUOTE=Irish Lad]Hello.
1. Larissa.
I would describe Larissa as a very friendly sex maniac. She's a little zany and funky as you may see from her pics. She didn't swallow but neither did she "run" to the bathroom after I had finished. Her English was more than fine for the occasion that was in it. I would recommend her to you unless swallowing is important to you.
2. Nastia.
I met up with Nastia by accident on my previous trip to Kiev. I had also noticed the absence of services but neither of my first 2 choices were available. She is a lot sexier in real life than her pics and if they were a likeness I would have placed her 1st on my wishlist.
She is far from boring in bed. She is very affectionate, responsive and not "cold" like you might expect from her menu. I might mention here that my next trip will include a 3some with herself and Larissa as she told me that she had "great sex" with Larissa a few weeks ago. For me this negates the lack of services available. Her English is very good and she's a smart girl.
Anything else?[/QUOTE]
Someone posted a while back he had used GIA Apartments and the airport pick up service. There was a male driver and a cutie in the back seat for him. He said he didn't request her and didn't partake.
Most airport driver services are 20-40USD.
[QUOTE=BBBJ]
Also, has anybody else ever tried the Gia airport pickup service? How does this work? Do one of the girls from the website come to meet with you, or will it be some ugly guy? Is it woth the 35$ ?
[/QUOTE]
Hi guys,
This a question for Kiev locals.
I'll be passing thru Borispol on Friday July 15 on my way to Simferopol. My flight lands in KBP at 13:35 and the connecting flight to SIP leaves at 18:45. I only have hand luggage and expect to make it thru immigration and customs in 45 minutes (on previous trips its taken from 30 to 45 mins.). So I should be in the arrivals hall by 14:30. A cab ride into the city takes about 30 mins. But is Friday afternoon traffic as bad here as in other major cities?
The reason for my question is do I have enough time to zip into Kiev and spend 90 mins. with one of the GIA girls and still make my 18:45 flight? I'm concerned about Friday afternoon traffic out of the city when I have to make it back to KBP.
I've never flown domestic in Ukraine. How much in advance should I show up at the check-in counter? International used to be 2 hours (last time I was there, 3 years ago).
Thanx in advance!
BunBiter
Bunz.
You positive your flight to SIP's not out of Julany?
Bez.
Yep. I made a point of booking the domestic leg from KBP. Its a Ukraine Int'l flight departing at 18:45.
Gentlemen,
Firstly, thanks to all the regular posters here, I have come to learn a lot about the action in Kiev. Thank you for sharing your experiences. That is the true spirit of this board.
I need some specific help please: I am in the process of planning a trip to Kiev and would appreciate any information about which AREA of Kiev to take an apartment. What I am looking for is somewhere close to theatres, shops etc…
Regards, Havanaman
I have been a little disappointed when coming back from a round trip through the ukraine, I landed in Kiev and called a girl into my hotel (lybid). She never showed up although she told during a second phone call that she is in the taxi and will be in my room in a minute. Is it possible she was not allowed in?
Anyway, I found her on an "chocolate massage" ad, but I can't remenber the name. Maybe anyone of you has some more hints for after-midnight massages (incall or bathhouse)?
Has anyone tried Anahata recently? The "menu" seems fine, the girls a little "soso".
Just got to this great forum(i wonder why I didn't find it earlier)!
My trip is almost planned, I'm going to arrive on the 6th of July to Kiev for 5 nights, then going by overnight train to Odessa for another 5 nights, then going back to Kiev for 1 night and flying back. Have accommodation arranged with UAApartments.com fellows (they were very professional in emails and reservations - we'll see how it will all go with them... hope for the best), some girls pre-arranged with Gia agency, but going to visit nightclubs, do some "hunting" :)
Promis to post report as soon as I get back, and bring some photos with me ;)
UAApartments is ok - never had a problem with airport p/u but you can just about expect zero service if anything goes wrong while you are there. So make sure everything is ok in the apartment before the apartment manager leaves.
I never used them in Odessa, just Kiev. Let me know how it goes in Odessa for you.
[QUOTE=Mark P]Just got to this great forum(i wonder why I didn't find it earlier)!
My trip is almost planned, I'm going to arrive on the 6th of July to Kiev for 5 nights, then going by overnight train to Odessa for another 5 nights, then going back to Kiev for 1 night and flying back. Have accommodation arranged with UAApartments.com fellows (they were very professional in emails and reservations - we'll see how it will all go with them... hope for the best), some girls pre-arranged with Gia agency, but going to visit nightclubs, do some "hunting" :)
Promis to post report as soon as I get back, and bring some photos with me ;)[/QUOTE]
They provide a very good reliable pickup/transfer to and from the airport. I was very pleased with that. They are very professional on email too, and speak good English.
But as the previous point stated, don't expect great service when you are there. And be wary of their promises - e.g. cable tv, cleaners. None of which were delivered while I was there.
And if you leave ANYTHING there, don't expect it returned.
That was my experience anyway. Each to their own.
Gentlemen,
Thank you to one and all who have kindly PM me with replies about the best area to stay. I have taken into account everything that was told me and finally have chosen: Bessarabska square or Khreschatyk Street through UAA. I was able to speak with UAA directly and this sold it to me, as I was pleased with the responses. I’m in the UK right now and they give UK contact number… (I love the way Brits speak English!).
Thanks once again. I will return the kindness with a nice report.
Havanaman
See my post in General info about new visa info for US citizens.
Firstly, Havanaman, if one loves the way we British speak English maybe one should try and learn it!
I am in Kiev again from next Saturday(9th) with a neebie mate for a week so if anyone fancies meeting up for a beer and some fun, (i am giving him the full tour) pm me,
Jack
In my last trip (may 05), I was with Zhanna of GIA. I wanted to be with Yana, but my pronounciation was so bad that they sent me Zhanna, short girl, awful english, not sexy and wanting to end and run.
In January I was with Ksyusha, pretty girl ( very bad english), nice, sexy, sympathic, good BJ. good kisser.
Nastia and Ivanna are beautiful, but I would never be with a girl that dont kiss, for me that is a MUST.
Has anyone been with DianaBeverly? or with any girl of UAescorts?
I have tryed several times to meet Shashenka from UAescorts,, but she doesnt talk english,, I have tryed to send emails and sms to several girls of this site and never received answers
Bye
>Have you or anybody else on this board ever tried Zhanna, Kristina or >Ksyusha? I'm trying to narrow down my selection here :)
<Would appreciate some more in depth info on their performance, services, >character and level of English.
Duke Pro Sex
I visited with Sashenka last summer. She does speak only Russian so it is a problem for most since she takes her own calls and must then provide you with all the relevant details.
She is in her mid 30s but a dynamo, a bit on the hefty side but not too bad at all, great breasts as well. Although she does not show her face, those are her photos. Her oral skills are superb but she does it covered. Otherwise, straight sex and as well as anal at no extra charge is on the menu. She is a bit of a loud and enthusiastic screamer during sex which I do not like since it seemed a bit faked.
In any event, $50 for the hour (that was, in fact, 1.5 hours) that she charges for all of this is still a good deal by Kiev standards.
On a 10 scale, I would rate her a firm 7.5.
Ok,, thanks a lot,,
May be sounds strange but i am tyred of young girls,, what i like is women in her mid 30's with good curves, and I dont like changing girls ( again will sound strange), so i look for an stable partner for my nights in Kiev to sponsor her.
Any suggestion will be welcomed.
The problem of shashenka is that she doesnt talk english,, so good for sex, but,,no possibility of more.
Do you know at what time she use to be available?, I dont use to be free until 11 in evening.
Arrived late Wednesday afternoon. Customs was ridiculous. Circumstances had me as one of the last people from my plane in line. It took fifty minutes to get through. You can't pick a lane - some people are at the booth for 7 - 9 minutes, and others take a minute or two. I switched lanes after 25 minutes, since it seemed like I was standing still. Every five minutes, I went from feeling smart to dumb. After a half hour in line, another planeload arrived. I watched one of the new people move ahead of me in the next lane. He got through in fifteen minutes - and I still have two more people in front of me.
Such is life at the Kiev arrival area.
I was feeling tense and had a contraction in my upper back - so what better way to ease the pain and tension than a trip to Rakuena. I had looked at their web-site before arriving, and they had an ad in the Kiev Post (the free English weekly). Looks like a nice upscale place with a soothing environment - just what I needed.
I started off calling around 11:00 or so , and the closest thing I get to English is "three - zero minutes". Okay, someone will be available in a half hour who speaks English. I call three hours later - something in Russian - hang-up. Hmmm.. one more time. "Three zero minutes", again. Now, F... it, or investigate. I was feeling adventurous, so I check the internet for the address and off I go. I chose to use the metro for the first time, even though the place is not near a metro stop. I had a good walk - the map is deceptive in it's distance, but then, this is my second day in Kiev, and everything is new. When I finally arrive, it's your typical worn apartment building in an Eastern European city. I walked around to the back, and after a few false entrances, I found the right one. The number 34, 35 and 36 are written in marker, crayon or whatever on the door. Now, being a travelled guy in Eastern Europe, I felt right at home. Lesser men would have folded and walked on. I wish I had been a lesser man that day.
Two girls answered the door, one seeming to know a few words of English (where's the English-speaking receptionist and the soothing music?). I go to the back room with the girls. With her very limited English, the one girl tells me about three different massages. I couldn't remember the 12+ varieties from the web-site, so I go with the Indian massage for 90 minutes and 260 greevnas. A hand-job is included, but all I really wanted was a great massage. I chose the English speaker, even though I sensed an attitude from her. At least I could communicate something with her. When we got in the room, she took the top sheet off the bed. I was trying to figure out what she was doing, since it looked clean and just the bare bed was exposed now. She took some thin skimpy paper stuff that only covered the middle of the bed, and as I'm trying to figure out what she's doing, she says, "Please, help me put the sheet on - be a gentleman". Well, I don't have a problem helping out, but I didn't like her attitude and the way she said it. If her English was better, she would have probably said, "What the f... is your problem, asshole. Help me!" Well, I had to pay in advance, so I figure I'll go with this. She has me lay face-down on the bed. As she begins to massage my foot, she informs me that the massage could be shorter, it depends on the man. I turned and looked back with a "what?". "Lay down", she says with some annoyance in her voice. Well, pay in advance and you're stuck. I only do this at an establishment, and for some reason, I was strangely thinking I was at one when I handed over my money. The forty minutes of back body massage went pretty good, but when she had me turn over, she went right to the genital massage. I was thinking about telling her to not massage there first, but I didn't want her to get pissed off and hit me. So, I went with it and took the orgasm. Sure enough, when you shoot - time is up! But I was ready to get out of there. When I was ready and left the room, nobody was around. I heard some talking in the other room. The other girl looked out, and then she came out to let me leave. I heard the guy she was speaking with was from England - another sucker Westerner. Well, I was happy to get out of there.
I imagine they have a steady stream of suckers going out of their way to endure this place, since they have a regular ad in the Kiev Post. Save your money, time and energy for a real experience with some real women.
guys - i am heading to keiv on thursday. can someone recommend a hotel in the middle of town, which has hi speed internet in the rooms... (and monger friendly!).
thanks tiger
It's cheaper and you will be like if you are at home.
No problem to bring girls inside.
Just go to the website [url]www.brama.com[/url] to rent an apartment and to get infos about Ukraine or Kiev.
high speed internet in the rooms? first trip to kiev? ;)
the only four hotels of note i can think of in kiev are preimer palace - the most upscale and expensive hotel in kiev, lots of very hot p4p girls at the hotel bar, hotel rus, hotel dnipro - has a stripclub/casino in it(is that the right name?) and hotel lviv-lvov? - used to house club 111 in the basement.
here is some wishful thinking i'll throw out there myself - anyone know of any sidewalk cafes in kiev with wireless?
[quote=tiger888]guys - i am heading to keiv on thursday. can someone recommend a hotel in the middle of town, which has hi speed internet in the rooms... (and monger friendly!).
thanks tiger[/quote]
Check out this link for an idea as to where Wi-Fi is available in Kiev.
[url]http://www.kyivpost.com/guide/toftw/[/url]
sweet thanks. wifi will be perfect.
After all that discussion about hotels and wifi, back to what we are here for:
I had a fantastic 1-1/2 hours with 2 fantastic 20-year old students from "20299402: They do incalls and came to my room 20 minutes after calling them. They were cute and performed a very erotic pair massage and made me sh-oot up high. I can highly recommend the number.
Cheers
What is 2-029-9402?
Can you explain about what this is?
Kiev – 2005.
During my week in town visited Modabar on a Friday night. Not much action but spotted Svetlana, petite, blonde, cute smile alone at the bar. Was about to go over when another monger beat me to it. Obviously a foreigner too. She looked bored and he wouldn’t go away. I continue with eye contact and the odd wry knowing grin. A little dangerous flirty fun. About to call it a day – 2 am- when I noticed she was alone again. Decided on one last throw of the dice. A quick chat, then her opening gambit. $150. No, no, no too much for Kiev I say. Negotiations continued until we agreed on $100. Go upstairs she says I will meet you there. I look surprised but “there was something she had to do, don’t worry”. So I waited. Five minutes, my balls aching by now she arrived, looking stunning teetering on high heels. She had fobbed the other guy off!. Why didn’t he just ask what he wanted she told me later. My luck I suppose. There is a time to be direct with these women – pussyfoot around too much and they lose interest.
Taxi wanted 50h to Independence Square but after further bartering got it down to 40h. These guys have you over a barrel - beautiful girl on your arm, cock throbbing they know they have the upper hand.
Back to apartment. Some vodka, a few jokes and then we start kissing on the sofa. My hands slip to her thighs. She undresses and we move to the bedroom. Awesome body, beautiful firm breasts and rock hard nipples. I manoeuvre my cock intending to fuck her breasts and she grabs it, caressing it gently with her tongue. I began to gently force it into her mouth, in and out slowly. Condom on she then jumps onto my cock and we move around. After the first round we start again. I can’t take my eyes off her lithe body. This time she moves across and grabs my cock again guiding it gracefully into her mouth again to get me hard. I can’t move, paralysed with pleasure. We continue for what seems like an age. I want to make her come – the rougher I am the more passionately she responds. I pound into her until we collapse in a pool of sweat.
Guess you would call her a semi-pro, recently divorced with a kid, late 20s but looked younger. Swapped numbers, may call her on my next trip. I am now hooked on these women. Only problem is how to find excuses to spend every vacation in Ukraine.
Anyway more to come.
I was in Kyiv recently. I noticed that may girls from RP and MODA bar now hang out on Friday and Sat at Arena (a relatively new bar).
Does anyone know about the lady in this link. Is she for real?
[url]http://www.yourownslave.com/...if[/url]
A site I found on the net. I wanted to know if anyone has used her service?
Thanks in advance.
When you say girls from RP and Moda are hanging out there do you mean it's the new p4p place or the girls are having a night off there?
I'm pretty sure it opened during the winter. And I do know from having been there during Eurovision it was ground zero for the event...outside of the sports stadium of course.
I've been to the micro brewery many times, but never the club upstairs. I'm looking forward to checking it out during my next trip - Sept and October
[QUOTE=Toronto Guy]I was in Kyiv recently. I noticed that may girls from RP and MODA bar now hang out on Friday and Sat at Arena (a relatively new bar).[/QUOTE]
Cruiser D,
According to recent reports, there is p4p there, even though when I was there a couple months back I never noticed who was in the game and who wasn't. I would also be interested to know if Arena is becoming a "legit" p4p hangout... certainly has a better location than RP and Moda.
As for the club, it is good sized... not so huge that you get lost, not so small that it gets too crowded. I liked it, even though I have yet to find a club where I truly liked the music. Nonetheless, a good option with some non-pro action in week action as well.
The attached picture is from a Wednesday if I remember correctly, or maybe a Thursday.
I recommend ordering calean and filling your date(s) up with Long Island Ice Tea(s)... :)
Thanks for the info, Dr. I'll of course post more info after my experience there. I find it hard to believe that an operation that is like RP - blatant p4p would be taking place in the very center of the tourist trade. But then again it is Kiev.
Hey, anyone else notice the increase of prices at Gia?
Cruiser D,
I doubt Arena will tolerate "blatant" p4p, it is against their own interests in my opinion. But like many bars they may tolerate or not be able to stop less blatant,freelance p4p. In any case I think the status quo of Arena is "regular disco with some freelance working girls".
In my visits there I wouldnt have identified any girls as pros, but wasnt really looking either.
Any more current info from other mongers would be appreciated.
PERFECT WEEK IN KIEV?
Hey you old pros, let's play "If I knew then what I know now"!
If you were coming for your first week in Kiev, knowing what you know now, please describe the week you would plan!
I would plan to build a time machine and come there five years ago. ;) Back when you could have bought an apartment in the City Center for 30-40k and the hottest of the hot girls could be had for $100 for the night. I'm waiting for Putin to trash the Russian economy which will in turn effect Kiev and the Ukraine. Poor girls, but I'll save them all (the hot ones at least).
My first trip to Kiev turned out perfect thanks to WSG and a bit of luck in meeting the right people.
[QUOTE=Chuponalgas]PERFECT WEEK IN KIEV?
Hey you old pros, let's play "If I knew then what I know now"!
If you were coming for your first week in Kiev, knowing what you know now, please describe the week you would plan![/QUOTE]
Cruiser,
Gia did raise its rates somewhat. It also does the Ukrainian thing by charging locals less than tourists. For anyone who is interested, here is the breakdown in dollars since there local prices are in that currency.
I have not used Gia for a long time and its latest group of providers won't have me going there any time soon.
If you can speak Russian well or fairly well or if you can have a friend call for you, you may be able to get the locals rates. You may also be able to argue them into it as well if you try hard enough. No guarantees there.
Locals Rates for all except 2 ladies:
1 hour- $70
2 hours- $100
3 hours- $130
4 hours- $150
10 hours-$200
Tourist Rate:
1 hour- $100
2 hours- $120
3 hours- $150
4 hours- $180
10 hours-$250
1 day - $400
2 days - $700
3 days - $900
4 days - $1100
The above are also the rates locals will pay for one of the ladies, Ruslana
Rates for Yulia:
1 hour- $90
2 hours- $120
3 hours- $150
4 hours- $180
10 hours-$250
Rate for Tourists: Blowjob without condom $10
Rate for Locals: Free
Rate for Tourists: Play with toys $10
Rate for Locals: Free
Rates for Tourists and Locals: Anal $20, Lesbian $15, apartments $20
Rates for Locals: Sex with couples $30 (I assume this also would apply to any tourist couples who may want to also indulge but you never know)
Damn Eurovision.
I haven't been to Kiev enough to really notice. But have you seen a recent huge influx of tourist?
I actually thought one or two of the new girls might be worth doing. However you can tell they work the camera to the max. I tend to be not interested in a girl, p4p or normal unless she is an 8 or a 9 - life is too short...;)
One of my friends mention to me when I was there in May that girls can be found working the street up on the hill on Schevchenko Blvd, is this true? What's the quality like?
[QUOTE=Uke Boy]Cruiser,
Gia did raise its rates somewhat. It also does the Ukrainian thing by charging locals less than tourists. For anyone who is interested, here is the breakdown in dollars since there local prices are in that currency.
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[/QUOTE]
Hello Cruiser,
You can find all the quality of girls.
When I was there last year, there were one beautiful one.
But the police was there too. And they sometimes make the girls leave, depend on the period of the year.
Just have a look is not far from Volodymirski sabor.
Hey thanks for the information. Do you know what the rates are?
[QUOTE=Volpone]Hello Cruiser,
You can find all the quality of girls.
When I was there last year, there were one beautiful one.
But the police was there too. And they sometimes make the girls leave, depend on the period of the year.
Just have a look is not far from Volodymirski sabor.[/QUOTE]
Two new sites are at sight now that might be worth checking for those anxious for high quality..
[url]www.best-escort-4you.com[/url]
[url]www.kiev-escort-models.com[/url]
Thanks for the links.
I noticed the contact email for kiev escorts is [email]uaescort@yahoo.com[/email], I think I've seen that address before. The models are hot and not too pricey, compared to rates in the US...;)
Best Escort looks like a scam/fake site. Any links you click on sends you to a porn or another escort site. The girls are ok - someone knows how to use a camera well. But their rates are unrealistic for the quality they are offering.
[QUOTE=Vegamars]Two new sites are at sight now that might be worth checking for those anxious for high quality..
[url]www.best-escort-4you.com[/url]
[url]www.kiev-escort-models.com[/url][/QUOTE]
As depicted by the design of the sites and prices, both websites are perfectly real and working pretty well..
The rates are somewhat unbelievable compared to Western Europe and the U.S. but that should be the maximum you are to pay for model-like top quality in Ukraine, just like [url]www.desiredescorts.com[/url]
You can assume anything you wish, but don't forget that a lot of Kiev models travel back and forth between Kiev and Moscow, so there's nothing more natural than encountering a Kiev girl in a Moscow-based site or vice versa...
Or maybe they are sisters, most likely twins or maybe triplets and the third girl's a nun living in Mongolia and travels back and forth between Ulanbaatar and Beijing, or maybe it's just a coincidence that there are two blondes that like to pose in the exact same position (it is a very sexy position!) Or maybe, just maybe the person setting up the Kiev site copied the hot picture of Sasha off the Moscow site and pasted it on the Kiev site and called her Vlada.
I personally think they are twins because I can't imagine anyone in this type of business doing such a thing as to cut and paste a photo from another site. And shame on you Roger Mellie for thinking these fine people would do such a thing. :-)
[QUOTE=Vegamars]The rates are somewhat unbelievable compared to Western Europe and the U.S. but that should be the maximum you are to pay for model-like top quality in Ukraine[/QUOTE]The rates are somewhat unbelievable compared to REAL Ukraine.
Hi there,
I will be 2 days in Kiev for business this Sunday till Tuesday...!!! It is my first time...I will stay in Hotel Adria, which is not a central location...!!! Who can make recommendations where to do what for good price and great service..!!
Cheers,
AF
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Hey thanks for the information. Do you know what the rates are?[/QUOTE]The beautiful one asked me for 250 Hrivnias, what is about 50 USD. For that price you can get an escort with a girl in Kiev for 20 minutes to 60 minutes, it depends on the girl.
The rate should be between 100-250 Hrivnias, it depends on the girl and your talent of negotiation.
Hi to everyone!
Sorry for the delay. As soon as I got back from UA I was covered with my job and couldn't get a minute to write about my trip there.
Guys, I tell you for sure, if you'll be in Kiev - go to Arena City, it's full of nice girls which is easy to talk with, buy a drink etc. even many of them speak English! I was very surprised with that, very surprised. And if you're in Odessa, I couldn't find a better place than a beach and cafes near beach to meet girls! Arkadia beach is perfect! As for accommodation - during the whole trip, never had any problems with UAApartments guys. Olga in Odessa made everything she could to make me happy, she has even brought me a DVD-player to the apartment even it was not advertised on the website in this apartment. As for Kiev, everything went smoothly, I was met in the airport as planned, transfered to the apartment I have booked, which was clean and corresponding to photos I saw. so, cann't tell anything bad about guys from [url]www. uaapartments. com[/url] . Can just recommend them.
Anyway, I'm going back in October hopefully and I'm in LOVE with Ukraine and girls there! ;)
Take care!
Hi folks,
I will be in Kiev again this weekend and I wanted to take Alla from GIA again, because she is outstanding in anal sex. Unfortunately Alla is not working with GIA anymore and the other girls of GIA who provide anal are not my taste.
Does anyone have other addresses/phonenumbers where I can find ladies for good sex with anal?
In the past I dialed often the numbers which are mentioned in the local papers and in Kiev Post or Whats on, but on the phone they promise that the girl does anal and when the girl arrive she doesn’t. So I don’t want that!! I want something sure. :- )))
Thanks in advance
Ismael
[QUOTE=Ismael]Hi folks,
I will be in Kiev again this weekend and I wanted to take Alla from GIA again, because she is outstanding in anal sex. Unfortunately Alla is not working with GIA anymore and the other girls of GIA who provide anal are not my taste.
Does anyone have other addresses/phonenumbers where I can find ladies for good sex with anal?
In the past I dialed often the numbers which are mentioned in the local papers and in Kiev Post or Whats on, but on the phone they promise that the girl does anal and when the girl arrive she doesn’t. So I don’t want that!! I want something sure. :- )))
Thanks in advance
Ismael[/QUOTE]Ismael - look into the special Interest section of the forum under Anal. There is a recent post providing a website for contacts. I hope this helps
Firebird
[QUOTE=Mark P]Hi to everyone!
Guys, I tell you for sure, if you'll be in Kiev - go to Arena City, it's full of nice girls which is easy to talk with, buy a drink etc. even many of them speak English! I was very surprised with that, very surprised. [/QUOTE]I agree. I was in Kyiv recently
Arena City is the place to be after midnight in Kyiv. Many p4p girls formerly from RP and Moda Bar call it home now.
The sports bar down stairs is a great place too. Some pro's sitting around the bar. Two came up to me and offered their services. Later saw them partying up stairs in the Arena disco
Prior to that, Viola's is nice more intimate, several blocks away(one of Eric's bars)
Caribean Club is always fun to take a date and go dancing. I noticed more p4p girls there though.
Club 44 , on Khreshatyk 44 always has a live band and many regular girls and a few p4p hang out there.
Club 111 has closed (sorry cause it was one of my favourites) but It looks like its been replaced by Club 112 in Arena City. Ok but there seemed to be more guys then girls when I was there after midnight on Girls Night (only girls till 11pm)
The new Pa-Ti-Pa near Hotel Dnipro is hot too
Don't forget weekends on Khreshatyk, the road is closed to traffic and lots of beuties. Most will talk to you if stopped on the street. Ask an innocent question and the strike up a conversation.
Re Apartment rates:
BTW, what are you guys paying for apartments in Kyiv -forget the rental services for $70-100 a night.
I found a place for $350 US per month.
Do some digging. Pensioners who have dachas outside of Kyiv could be willing to lease apartments. Need to strike a relationship first. Go through locals.
Ask around.
Firebird,
I was curious to see what I may have missed and checked out the link in the Anal forum. I assume you were referring to the link in the posting by JP2U.
For those who have not gone there yet, a word of advice, do not waste your time. It is a link to a scam pay site. At least half the photos are of ladies who worked a long time ago but who do not escort, the rest are stolen from free sites such as Gia and Kiev-X, while some are even just outright fakes. I think it would be safe to assume it is the same for all the other cities in the site.
Ismael,
Kiev-x.com or dosug.com.ua list ladies who do anal but you have to at least know some basic Russian such as Анальный (anal) in order to figure it all out.
As for the the Kiev Post agencies or in What's On, you can never be sure what will be provided.
I assume when you call you ask for anal services. These are almost always an extra charge such as with Gia. Find out how much and make sure they understand that this is a premium you will pay. Also tell them if the lady does not provide the service, she will be sent back.
When the lady arrives, ask her BEFORE you do anything if she does anal. If not, then just send her back! Then call the agency again. If they say there is no one else, call another agency and do the same again, if you have to.
Not everyone does anal but certainly you have to be tough on this point (or any other specialty you may request) since providing good service here is not a generally understood concept by either the ladies or the agencies.
Uke Boy,
I know basic Russian and I know that the site is a scam. But thanks for warning!
I just wanted to know if someone here has experience with a woman who does anal and knows the Agency where she’s working for, or just knows her phone number to reach her. Now at the moment I am at Borispol Airport on my way back. As soon as I am home I will post some interesting websites where everyone can search for free without any scam.
Have a nice day!
Hi Folks,
As promised, some websites. On the most sites you can find phonenumbers to contact the girl or agency.
[url]http://www.silver.kiev.ua/contact/vip_escort[/url]
[url]http://sexlady.kiev.ua/individualki.htm[/url]
[url]http://sexlady.kiev.ua/salon.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.sexykiev.biz/index.php[/url]
[url]http://www.maw.ru[/url]
[url]http://www.love.com.ua/index.php?BODY=SEARCH[/url]
[url]http://www.intim.com.ua/index.php[/url]
[url]http://www.intimplaza.com.ua[/url]
Cheers
Hi Guys,
I am a newbee on this forum, but I have been to Kiev 3 times already and really enjoyed the scene!
Is anyone aware of difficulties of bringing a girl to a hotel room ? I usually go to an appartment, but my company would prefer to pay a hotel... Any info could help !
Also, I was told that Moda Bar was closed ? Any update on that. I used to find my girls at that place.
Finally, I will be by myself in Kiev from August 27th to 30th, if any of you guys want to grab a beer between girls, drop me a line.
Hi!
Moda Bar:
Moda Bar is still open but not on every day anymore. I'm sure it is open from thursday till sunday. Most of the girls from there hang out in Arena nowadays. So don't waist your time with going to Moda Bar. Just go to Arena.
Girl into Hotel:
It depends on to which hotel you are going and how much you are willing to pay to the guard or bell-boy. I know that in Hotel Dnepro and Hotel Libid it is still possible to bring your girl. But I gues it cost you about 20 bugs.
Tipp:
Just make a Hotel reservation at any hotel and let it fax to your company. Let them confirm that you will pay cash there. Your company will give you the amound and you can arrange an apartment with getting a receipt for paying from the owner of the apartment.
When you come back you explain that the Hotel was overbooked and someone offerred you the apartment It works! Have fun! If you pick the right Hotel and you sleep in an apartment afterwards, you even save a lot of money! (which you can use for other purposes if you make the apartment bill high enough) ;-)
I'm going to be in Kiev for the first time next week... 29th to 31st on my way from Odessa to Moscow. If anyone is around and would like a wingman for a couple of evenings, please PM me.
TorontoGuy... Just a word of caution, based on my experience in Moscow at renting apartments to sublet on a nightly basis, I will agree with you that if you plan to stay in any FSU city for any length of time it will be cost effective to rent an apartment on a long-term basis. HOWEVER, that said, for the average person coming to Moscow/Kiev/fill in the FSU city, it is virtually impossible to expect to find a "nice" apt and then deal with a RU/UA landlord. Apartments, especially ones in the lower price range are not up to Western standards and for the weak-hearted and weak-kneed, it is more than an adventure even looking at apartments and not even doing the lease... Westerners, unless very experienced, are not used to the RU/UA/FSU entrances, neighbors, customs and the like that will accompany living longer term in a Russian style apartment. It can be a great experience, but it can also be your worst nightmare as well. So, don't necessarily begrudge the company who is providing the apartments to Westerners on a nightly basis... at least if you have a problem you will know exactly who turn to!
I'm in also Kiev from 31 Aug - 04 Sep so would welcome meeting fellow WSG reporters for some mongering activity.
Dear all,
I have been trying 2 massage services from "whats on" mag, namely
"kyiv student girls from 18 years old, number 4937437" and
"the full service massage 2045485"
and have not been disappointed in the service. Actually, one girl from the full service massage came back twice (Valeri). She is hot and lovely - the second and third time, we skipped the massage part and did things she was not supposed to do (bj+69/daty)- at least that is what she told me.
No I am getting bolder and a) do not want to go through pro service numbers any more, and b) am looking for freebies who can bring their girlfriends for lez show and massage. Any suggestions from the forum?
[QUOTE=Toronto Guy]
Club 111 has closed (sorry cause it was one of my favourites) but It looks like its been replaced by Club 112 in Arena City. Ok but there seemed to be more guys then girls when I was there after midnight on Girls Night (only girls till 11pm)
Don't forget weekends on Khreshatyk, the road is closed to traffic and lots of beuties. Most will talk to you if stopped on the street. Ask an innocent question and the strike up a conversation.
Re Apartment rates:
BTW, what are you guys paying for apartments in Kyiv -forget the rental services for $70-100 a night.
I found a place for $350 US per month.
[QUOTE]
Did the revolving bar concept make it to 112?
I haven't figured out if Khreshatyk is better during the weekday from 6-9pm when the professional strutters are about and looking, or if it's better during the weekend when you have the less sophisticated girls from the countryside wandering around.
$350/month is a good price. But is it Western or Soviet? How far is it from Khreshatyk?
I’m going to Kiev for the first time next week. I really want to thank all the guys that post here for the really useful information. I’ve read the last year of reports so no stupid repetitive questions from me.
One thing that I’ve never heard commented on. I don’t live in the U.S. now so I’ll have to buy dollars or the local currency. (Wonder how you pronounce Hryvnia? Guess I’ll learn soon enough). Sounds like the girls usually quote prices in (US) dollars. Is it any problem to settle on a price in dollars and then pay in hryvnia? If the price is $100 will she accept 500 hryvnia (the exchange rate appears to be almost exactly 5 hryvnia to the dollar), or do they try to haggle/hassle over the exchange rate. Overall, am I better off to buy dollars before I go and pay the girls in dollars?
Also, are the ATMs open 24 hours, to pick up local currency after I arrive (my usual technique)? I’ll be flying in late on a Sunday night.
Much thanks and happy hunting.
I’m going to Kiev for the first time next week. I’ll be working late some nights and early the next day so in some cases difficult to go out hunting so I want to use the call in services. From looking at the last year of postings 3 agencies have shown good reports: Gia, Kiev Beauties and Desired Stars. Any others that are recommended from experience?
I’ve printed out all reports on girls over the last year and I notice half or more (for example on Gia) are no longer on their website. Looks like fairly heavy turnover. Anyway, I’d really appreciate any comments on more recent experiences with girls at these services. I especially like OWO with CIM. The nice thing about the Gia website is they tell you the services for each girl (i.e. yes or no on OWO). Not so on the Kiev Beauties website, so I don’t know who to trust there. Will the operator tell me when I call?
In addition to girls names and ratings can you please give me the local phone numbers, (with English operators) for the 3 agencies? Please PM me if you prefer to keep your opinions private.
With all these reports you guys have me primed for a really good time!
No worries,
Girls take local currency and "exchange" 1:5 (and money:sex!!). Also, you can get US$ at many, not all cash machines around the city. Another good news: they are open 24/7, the girls, and the machines, that is.
Have fun
You don’t need to buy dollars for Ukraine. There are many ATM’s in the different cities which you can use to get the local currency. In Kiev-centre you will find them almost every 50mtr. They work 24 hrs. You can pay everywhere in Hryvnia (say Grivna).
At the moment the exchange rate is $100-495 and for Euro €100-600. Every girl will also accept Grivna. So in my opinion you are better off by using the ATM. Then you don’t need to change your currency twice!
Cheers
To answer you question Thumper, I sed both Kiev beauties and Gia in July multiple times. Both were quite reliable and out of 4 for gia 3 were of the picture (but they take some very good pictures) and services were uniformly good. Kiev beauties emailed me some photos of girls, I had one who was on the website and one who was not, agian both were very good and one was spectacular.
The KB operater was helpful (slightly more than GIA) and descibed the girl in quite good detail but then again I did not ask about services. I was not disappointed though so no complaints. I slightly prefered KB because they were a fraction cheaper (not as much as they advertise on the website for some reason)
Good Luck
Whumper -
Gia's English Speaker phone number can be found at the bottom of the page when you click on one of the girls' pages.
There is turnover, but some of the girls have been around for awhile. I tried Nastia about a month ago, and her English and performance were good. I found her to be very friendly, and she had a desire to please. Her hair is cut differently than her pictures (she said they were over a year old now). I'd recommend her, but of course, YMMV.
I tried a girl about a month and a half ago that was new to the site. She was not good. I kicked her out early and called to complain. They offered me a discount to try again, and they seemed sincere about trying to make me happy. I was pissed at the time and told them to forget it. When I called a few weeks later, I told the lady about the situation two weeks ago and the offer I was given. Without hesitating, she agreed. That's when I gave Nastia a try.
I'd say Gia is worth trying.
Hi All
I will be returning to Kiev Sept 20th till Oct 3rd. If anyone want to do a little hunting I am more than willing. I will have an appartment on Independence Square. I will report after my trip and thanks to all for the good info. P.S. I plann to try a few internet girls this time so I will let all know how that goes.
JDI
Hi all !
I am back from Kiev a few days ago and wanted to comment on my trip.
A quick note on [url]www.uaapartment.com[/url] that I have found excellent from airport service to the trendy appartment that was perfect to impress girls with everything needed from internet access, to hairdryer and soap for the washing machine !
Arena definetely seems to be the right place to see girls, however, if you do not speak Russian, it might not be that easy to pick up girls... It is still a bar where girls want to chat or dance a little before you can propose anything. It is certainly not as easy as internet but you really see the girl in front of you.
Moda Bar should open in a couple of weeks, it was closed for renovations.
From Internet, I have used sexlady.kiev.ua and called a girl named Vika from the VIP section... That section from the website does not seem to work anymore.
Anyhow, another girl came called Natasha : [url]http://sexlady.kiev.ua/kiev/10012.htm[/url] and I have had a very good time. She is exactly like the pictures, sweet, sexy, has a soft skin and pussy and gave me a 1 hour blowjob ! She speaks good english too.
I think most girls from that site a real but some pictures look too much like Playboy to me.
Final point, I have tried to meet girls using [url]www.adultfriendfinder.com[/url] .. Don't even loose your time with that. I have contacted 12 girls and I have not been able to meet one. I think it is just a scam to exchange with you on internet and then ask your money for visa or airplane ticket to come and meet you.
Hope it helps !
[QUOTE=Tungstenine]Hi all !
From Internet, I have used sexlady.kiev.ua and called a girl named Vika from the VIP section... That section from the website does not seem to work anymore.
Anyhow, another girl came called Natasha : [url]http://sexlady.kiev.ua/kiev/10012.htm[/url] and I have had a very good time. She is exactly like the pictures, sweet, sexy, has a soft skin and pussy and gave me a 1 hour blowjob ! She speaks good english too.
I think most girls from that site a real but some pictures look too much like Playboy to me.[/quote]Hi Tungstenine,
This site looks interesting but its in Russian. Can you tell me what the prices are? Are the prices on the website? I didn't see them.
Are the phone numbers on the website local numbers (I don't know how phone numbers work in Kiev)? Are the numbers for an agency or direct to the girls (portable phones)? Is there a number for sexlady.kiev.ua with an operator that speaks English?
Thanks for your report and thanks for any information you can give me.
Tungstenine:
Thanks for the good report! You are correct Adultfriendfinder is a complete rip off. I have used friendfinder with good sucess see last years reports. Do not use Adult but instead use plain friendfinder and it will work. Also this site has been very useful [url]http://www.freepersonals.ru/[/url]. I am meeting some girls from it later this month.
Whumper,
The site is in Russian, but you can use babelfish from altavista to translate...
[url]http://babelfish.altavista.com/[/url]
You just enter the http adress and it works good enough to understand. I paid 200 Euros for 2 hours. One thing is that she came in with a lady to collect the cash. BTW, I was told that most pimps in Ukraine are woman and that they are not verry soft with the girls. The price used to be on their previous website and varied depending on the girl.
I did not find an operator, but I called directly the number on the girl posting. They seems to be local calls. +38050, +38066, +38039, +38063, +38068, +38097 are usually cell phone numbers and +38044 is Kiev local line.
I don't know about speaking english for all of them since the numbers are all different and link to a specific girl. However, Natasha, that I called, was speaking a functional english.
Tungstenine... thanks for the website. It is a new one for me and I'll probably use it. It is also nice that they include three other cities, Odessa/Dnipropetrovsk/Donansk, in addition to Kiev.
However, I have a question, as you called the different girls were the prices different? Quite frankly, 200 Euros/$250 is pretty heavy for 2 hours... that is way more than even normal club pricing in Moscow and much more than internet pricing in Moscow. Was that the normal price at all the girls you called or just for this one? I'm moving to Odessa to get away from the Moscow pricing... I hope I'm not jumping from the frying pan into the fire! :)
The website that I have found that is better than babelfish is [url]www.translate.ru[/url]
My experience is that many more people in Kiev, like in Moscow, speak English compared to the rest of the country.
Whumper,
don´t worry, there are a lot of ATM´s all around Kiev ( in streets, metro stations or just in hotel lobbies). Some of the ATM´s are even offering you the choice of the currency ( you can than choose between Hryvnias and USD or Hryvnias and Euros ).
Girls are very flexible regardings cash payments, they will take USD as well as Euros, Hryvnias, GBP... dependings on what you have in your pockets...
Enjoy your stay in Ukraine!
Hey, you weren't using my box of Tide that I left there from my last trip? I had a three week trip in Jan-Feb and when I got back in May a tiny bit of Tide was left over - I got a chuckle out of that. I think UAApartments is just a brokering agency for private parties.
A friend of mine clued me in about making the move on girls too quickly in clubs in Kiev. To most of the 'normal' girls in Kiev going to a club is a treat and they want to hang for a bit, dance and work it. Where would the girls in Kiev be without mirrors to check themselves out. ;)
All the pictures on that website are ex SU girls, you can tell be the shoes. True some have some very slammin bodies but nothing that you don't see a few dozen times a day walking the streets of Kiev.
If your not having any luck online try using the brick and mortar dating agencies in Kiev. The next time I go I think I'm going to give that a go to see how it is.
[QUOTE=Tungstenine]Hi all !
I am back from Kiev a few days ago and wanted to comment on my trip.
A quick note on [url]www.uaapartment.com[/url] that I have found excellent from airport service to the trendy appartment that was perfect to impress girls with everything needed from internet access, to hairdryer and soap for the washing machine !
Arena definetely seems to be the right place to see girls, however, if you do not speak Russian, it might not be that easy to pick up girls... It is still a bar where girls want to chat or dance a little before you can propose anything. It is certainly not as easy as internet but you really see the girl in front of you.
Moda Bar should open in a couple of weeks, it was closed for renovations.
From Internet, I have used sexlady.kiev.ua and called a girl named Vika from the VIP section... That section from the website does not seem to work anymore.
Anyhow, another girl came called Natasha : [url]http://sexlady.kiev.ua/kiev/10012.htm[/url] and I have had a very good time. She is exactly like the pictures, sweet, sexy, has a soft skin and pussy and gave me a 1 hour blowjob ! She speaks good english too.
I think most girls from that site a real but some pictures look too much like Playboy to me.
Final point, I have tried to meet girls using [url]www.adultfriendfinder.com[/url] .. Don't even loose your time with that. I have contacted 12 girls and I have not been able to meet one. I think it is just a scam to exchange with you on internet and then ask your money for visa or airplane ticket to come and meet you.
Hope it helps ![/QUOTE]
Anyone know the whereabouts or phone number of p4p who used to work out of RP name of Lola, around 170cm, blonde hair and very big eyes ? Haven't seen her now for around a year or so. Would like to hook up with her again when I return to Kiev.
Sexlady changed the site recently! Before you could also see the prices per hour, 2 hours and night. And you could also see what each girl got to offer their clients! It’s a pity they changed the site!
Well, it was a pretty ordinary trip for me in terms mongering success, enjoyed my time in Kyiv but encountered problems with the apartment operator which I will shall describe in a separate report.
I would like to thank the members of the forum for their valuable tips and hints with on how to deal with Ukraine and it's women.
Day 1
Teamed up with another WSG member for dinner and we both checked out the scene in 112 and Supper Club located in Arena City.
Not a lot of girls in 112, cover charge 10 or 20 hrn but the ones that were there were appealing to the eyes, moved on to Supper Club, free entry price. Now this is more like it, not full but not too empty and not an ugly girl in sight. Initially just stood back and observed the scene but as the night progressed another monger and I decided to move in on a couple of girls sitting together who seem interested in company. The both spoke good English and had a thirst for Coronas, I TCSS (chit chat) with my girl, Diana for awhile and find out she's a 21yr with a 2yr kid and works in Maximum (casino) as waitress, I discover later they are strippers at the club. Anyway they get up and abruptly leave, possibly to stop getting drunk so I hastily grab her number. Didn't score but the consulting fees (Coronas) covered the time for her firm ass and phone number.
Day 2
Went solo to Arena disco, apparently it's voted the best disco in Ukraine but it must be the most fucking expensive, 100 hrn cover charge and frequented by potentially the most stuck up people in Ukraine. Noticed a few service women at the casino bar on my way to the disco. The disco was about 1/2 full, managed to talk to a few regulars but didn't get far with them nor get their numbers. Also spoke to a service provided who wanted USD 300 for the night which I simply interpreted as "don't want your business Kitajski" price. Although she was good looking, I didn't like her attitude so quickly parted ways.
I think I was shafted by some undercover employees of Arena. I approached a hot bird called Nadia who speaks fuck all English so I was about to cut my losses and leave when she asks me to buy her friend and her a drink, it seems irregular given she already has one, we could hardly communicate plus she didn't seem interested in me. I thought WTF, at least I get bragging rights. I buy them what they are drinking which of course are 35hrn drinks, she then ask me to buy myself a drink which I do. After about 10-15 mins of nothing, she and her girlfriend get up and leave, I try to stop her but she brushes me off without even touching the drink, I conclude the bitches are there to up the disco's revenue. Fortunately befriended by a Georgian wingman so with his Russian skills managed to talk a couple of 18yr students on the way out of the club and being gentlemen we are, obtained their numbers and escorted them home.
Day 3
Weather was unsettled so a perfect time to order in, I call Vice Sisters (phone number in Kyiv Post) with a rate of USD 50 per 1 hr and USD 30 per +1hr. Although my apartment is in central Kiev the providers couldn't find it, annoying because I could see the girls from my apartment but they couldn't find the door to apartments. Anyway after a few attempts going backward and forward they give up and tell me the girls have gone home, yeah right.
Thankfully my Georgian russian speaking friend came to rescue and calls another agency and arranges a delivery. After 1/2 hour the two girls arrive, ironically the same girls I saw from my apartment earlier on, apparently this is a standard tactic but agencies will send one good looking or relatively good looking girl plus a fugly one. I later discover it is quite acceptable to demand that they send good looking girls and to threaten and to send them back if they attempt to palm off fuglies. Anyway as I didn't have a choice so I automatically select the better looking girl.
Her name is Albina, couldn't speak a word of English, red curly hair, c-section scar, average looking by Ukrainian standards with a kind of farm girl look, I thought to myself, ok F&F (fuck & forget). The sex was nothing to write home about, pretty much the FSU Standard Operating Procedure SOP, cover BJ, no DFK, fuck them, blow my load, clean up, she has a cigarette, gives me an ordinary massage and attempts to give me a second round. She wasn't stunning nor provided a GFE, I couldn't get motivated for another round so I give up. I send her away, she asks for taxi money of 30 hrn which clearly includes a built in tip.
Later in night, I visit Vice Sisters who claim to have 25 girls in the apartment, I discover that's an extreme exaggeration. Although their apartment is near Independence Square, it's impossible to find so I catch a taxi and call Yulia at Vice Sisters who gives directions to the driver, about a 15 hrn ride from Arena. It's hard to describe directions, you go through an archway, head for a door in the left hand corner of the courtyard, go up the stairs to the top floor until you confront a padded door. I storm the apartment with four Ottomans (Turks), they quickly grab the better looking ones and I get left with a choice of six pig dogs. I can't leave the place empty handed so I choose the least ugly one, I pay my USD 50 and take the girl via taxi to my apartment.
In the apartment, I give her a beer, we take a shower. She is not good looking, quite fat and can't speak English but seemed aware of her limitations, she provided lots of GFE, covered BJ, some AR, enthusiastic FJ and massage. She tried hard to get me going a second time but I couldn't do it. I gave her taxi money and send her on her way.
In summary, I guess "you get what you pay for" and unfortunately USD50 doesn't buy much in Kyiv and it seems the going rate is USD 100 per hour to get a model or Kiev-X grade girl.
Day 4 - Saturday
Teamed up with my Georgian mate in Arena disco. The cover charge still 100hrn but place is packed and heaving, I suppose given it's price and prestige it's natural to expect the most affluent and pretentious social elite to frequent Arena. It was a very tough night in the office, although a few girls were clearly "working" there was no way I could talk to them. I'm sure it's a Kitajski (Asian) thing, they didn’t want others to see them talking to one, I definitely felt "racist" vibe. It's probably a small community at that level but every girl I approached refused to speak to me, I mean they looked but from a curiosity perspective. My Georgian friend did his best to involve me in his activities but he also sensed it, I left him alone to avoid any collateral damage.
This experience unsettled me because similar to Russia, I expected the FSU states to be more receptive to Asian races. Incidentally, I don't have a problem with my Kiev regulars and other Ukrainians who I found to be very helpful, honest and genuine especially when asking hot dyevs dumb direction questions.
Anyway despite my mixed experiences in Kyiv, I enjoyed myself and would visit again.
Great report - sorry to hear you didn't have much luck.
Who were you renting the apartment from?
I think your day 1 girls were waiting for you to pop the question, 'how much?'
[QUOTE=Humsup]Well, it was a pretty ordinary trip for me in terms mongering success, enjoyed my time in Kyiv but encountered problems with the apartment operator which I will shall describe in a separate report.
I would like to thank the members of the forum for their valuable tips and hints with on how to deal with Ukraine and it's women.
Day 1
Teamed up with another WSG member for dinner and we both checked out the scene in 112 and Supper Club located in Arena City.
Not a lot of girls in 112, cover charge 10 or 20 hrn but the ones that were there were appealing to the eyes, moved on to Supper Club, free entry price. Now this is more like it, not full but not too empty and not an ugly girl in sight. Initially just stood back and observed the scene but as the night progressed another monger and I decided to move in on a couple of girls sitting together who seem interested in company. The both spoke good English and had a thirst for Coronas, I TCSS (chit chat) with my girl, Diana for awhile and find out she's a 21yr with a 2yr kid and works in Maximum (casino) as waitress, I discover later they are strippers at the club. Anyway they get up and abruptly leave, possibly to stop getting drunk so I hastily grab her number. Didn't score but the consulting fees (Coronas) covered the time for her firm ass and phone number.
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Anyway despite my mixed experiences in Kyiv, I enjoyed myself and would visit again.[/QUOTE]
On a recent visit to Kiev I decided to check out the girls on a web site 'badrussiangirls.com' Soon developed into something more akin to badexperience.com. First thing that happened was that when I called one of the numbers provided none of the girls pictured on the site were available, however the woman on the end of the line tells me she had a really nice one she could send over. I agree and 50 minutes later the doorbell rings, I open the door and standing there are 2 fat and ugly canditates at which point I should have offered a taxi fare and sent them home. But I had been out drinking earlier and well, guys you know how it works. Anyway I chose the least ugly of the two and then quickly found out that the price quoted, $100 for two hours was the absolute basic amount, anything else like BJ, kissing etc was extra ! To my shame I pressed on only to have some of the most boring sex of my life. Has any one had a positive experience from this web site?
I thought I should share my experiences or warn members of the pitfalls using the services of these people. Although the information may be placed in the General Info section, I've posted in the Kiev section due to it's relevance to Kiev.
To set the context, the proprietors / operators of Kiev-Service and Edem Club are Ludmila or Sergey Kulik
[url]http://www.kiev-service.com.ua/contact.html[/url]
The services agreed and paid for my trip were:
- 4 nights accommodation at apartment 2038 @ USD 150 / night located at [url]http://kiev-service.com.ua/apartments/item/2038/[/url]
- Airport transfers from airport to apartment and vice versa @ USD 30 / trip
- 4 hours of translation services @ USD 25 / hour and translator scheduled to meet me at the airport.
This is what transpired…
Arrive at Boryspil, clear immigration and customs without any hassles. My greeting party are not at the arrivals gate, I have to wait about 1/2 hour before the translator, Anna arrives. Ok, not a big deal, I work in ex-Eastern Europe so am accustomed to their definition of service. We stop at a service station to fill up on the way back, not sure why it couldn't have been done when not on a job but fair enough it's part of the FSU experience.
Arrive at an apartment, strange as I thought we passed Bessarabka market which is near the location of apt 2038. We are greeted by Sergey Kulik at the apartment who takes us (Anna & I) into the apartment. Fortunately, I printed and brought the details of apt 2038 so I immediately identified the apartment I was shown was not the same. I asked where I was and which apartment I was in, he can't speak English so via Anna he confirmed he had taken me to [url]http://kievservice.com.ua/apartments/item/2034/[/url]
As soon as I discovered the apartment swap, I adamantly explained the situation. I simply explained it was not acceptable to do this as they had confirmed and accepted payment for the other apartment. Although the price is the same on the website, the practice is still unacceptable as they could exploit the situation and stick me in a "dog box" out in the sticks. I reminded him we had already paid him good money and if they had provided advance notice, I could find a cheaper apartment located in a better position. The other problem was I had already given apartment 2038 details to my friends where we going to stay with me later in the week.
He attempts to justify his actions by saying the current tenant in 2038 had extended their stay another day. I replied it was not my problem, I didn’t see why I had to wear the cost of the inconvenience. He asked me what I would do in the situation, I said he should have moved the tenant to 2034 and given me 2038 as per the original agreement.
Anyway the arguing continued for about 1 hour, whilst he called his wife Ludimila for consultation. Eventually, I agreed to stay in 2034 if he compensated me USD 50 / day. I also demanded he give all four days of payment totalling to USD 200 upfront which I would refund for days when they move me to 2038. He begrudging but threateningly agreed to the deal and handed over USD 200 and left. The next 2 1/2 hours are spent with Anna showing me around Kiev to exchange money, buying a pre-paid SIM card, shopping and so on. I let her go with 1/2 hr to spare.
The next day, Ludimila who speaks average English arrives to move me to other apartment. I said although about 500m away, I need a taxi as I had bought a lot of bottled refreshements and supplies which where heavy to carry. Anyway we catch a cab to 2038 and later discover she lost her phone in the taxi. In the apartment she is trying to explain to me that it is normal practice in Ukraine for people to extend their stay with no notice. I said that's fine but told her if it's standard practice then they should factor it and not accept bookings for a number of days after a current booking. The fact they accepted 'back to back' bookings was their problem and poor business practice, I also explained that unlike a hotel the impact of switching apartments and location is significant for visitors who are not familiar with the city or the local language.
I checked the apartment and settle the paperwork and I proceed to take my wallet out of my bag, open my wallet and return her USD 150. I should have anticipated this, but then she complains about the impact on her margins and blah, blah of the USD 50. I also ask about my return airport transfer and she "claims" my correspondent agent had not paid for it nor had paid the amount in full. Of course this was bullshit and merely a ploy to squeeze me for the USD 50. I told her she was wrong and left my bag with my wallet in the room with her for about a 1 min to go and retrieve the receipt from my correspondent agent in the bedroom. I show her the receipt but says she wants EUR 10 to cover the shortfall in payment and then she will provide an airport transfer. I think, fuck it, and just pay her the 60 hrn to get her out of there.
I have to mention, I could not withdraw cash as I had accidentally brought an expired debit card plus I had not reset nor knew the pin for my credit cards. This meant I was screwed for cash and had to rely on the meagre cash funds brought with me to carry me through the trip and hence given the dire nature, knew my cash position with exact precision. Anyway later in the night as I counted funds to go out, I had not gone anywhere or done anything since her visit, I realised I was USD 100 plus the equivalent of USD 25 of my other currency short less the USD 150 I gave her. I re-counted and checked a number of times and I was definitely short USD 100 and a large denomination of my other currency.
Fuck, I know strong acqusations but my only conclusion is she (Ludmila) must have grabbed those notes when I left the room to get the receipt.
Although I couldn't prove anything, I called her the next day (may as well fuck up her day as she had fucked up mine) and told her I knew she took my money and told her the other currency couldn't be exchanged in Ukraine so she may as well give it back to me. As you can imagine, she started hurling abuse at me, saying I had a hooker all night and who had stolen ALL my money. It was amusing because if hypothetically it was true, how would she know and secondly why would a hooker only take a few notes.
I figure Ludimila only stole enough to cover her inconvenience and not rob me blind. What annoyed me though is I played fair and stuck to the original compensation agreement but they started this whole mess and screwed me initially and exploited my trust to screw me again.
Amazingly, the driver did arrive at the apartment to take me to the airport. I had visions of being drived down a wooded paddock and shot so I had prepared a contingency of taking a taxi but fortunately it was the same driver who picked me up before so I felt a bit better however I was still on edge and at attention in case he pulled out a pistol to blow me away.
Anyway an interesting twist to my Ukrainian experience.
Humsup -
You had a shitty Kiev experience at the top of the scale. I think most of us can relate to the half hour late pick-up, stopping for gas, change the apartment routine, etc. - but you got the bonus plan.
I'm not sure if there is a truly top-service apartment agency in town. I used the GoToRussia Atlanta-based agency to book my Kiev apartment this summer, thinking a U.S. based business would have higher standards. But they still use local contacts, so the "service-culture" remains pretty much the same. I booked for fifteen days at one apartment with a location I liked (across from the Arena nightclub), with a return visit at the same apartment after a week in Odessa. I made these arrangements months in advance with the Atlanta office.
Long story short, I happen to see my agent at the airport on the way to Odessa with some other clients. I spoke with him briefly, and he just happened to mention that I would be staying at another apartment off Independence Square when I returned. If I hadn't accidently run into him, this would have been a complete surprise on my return. He didn't seem to think anything of this as I explained my annoyance with the inconvenience (I picked and liked the location near Arena, I had stashed some wine, beer and food on a top shelf that I hoped to use on my return, the school I was studying Russian at was within good walking distance to my Arena area apartment, etc.). This guy spoke great English and had visited the States and met with the owner of GoToRussia. But still the mentality is unchanged. I didn't challenge him the way you did with your people, since there is the feeling that things will not improve, but only has the possibility of getting worse.
I know some people will say roll with another culture, blah, blah, blah ... But, when I'm being charged Western prices, I expect the services to rise to the level of Western services. Sadly, an expectation like this only leads to a set-up for frustration and agravation in Kiev.
Gave them taxi fare? At this point you should have said 'no thanks' and slammed the door in their faces, which is much kinder then they would have expected from a local. Or if you wanted to be polite westerner you could have said, 'sorry girls, you aren't even close to what I was looking for', smile at them and then shut the door. Make sure when you are on the phone with the business agent you make it clear unattractive girls will be sent away.
And one wonders as to why prices for a hot chick have gone from 50-100-150-? in five years.
When ANYTHING starts to go wrong in a deal like this, if you haven't paid already END IT at once. Sometimes even when you have paid it might be worth it to hit the eject button.
I just checked out the website and saw a few Gia girls and other local agencies. Damn I miss those hot slavic babes.
[QUOTE=Tremayne]On a recent visit to Kiev I decided to check out the girls on a web site 'badrussiangirls.com' Soon developed into something more akin to badexperience.com. First thing that happened was that when I called one of the numbers provided none of the girls pictured on the site were available, however the woman on the end of the line tells me she had a really nice one she could send over. I agree and 50 minutes later the doorbell rings, I open the door and standing there are 2 fat and ugly canditates at which point I should have offered a taxi fare and sent them home. But I had been out drinking earlier and well, guys you know how it works. Anyway I chose the least ugly of the two and then quickly found out that the price quoted, $100 for two hours was the absolute basic amount, anything else like BJ, kissing etc was extra ! To my shame I pressed on only to have some of the most boring sex of my life. Has any one had a positive experience from this web site?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tremayne]On a recent visit to Kiev I decided to check out the girls on a web site 'badrussiangirls.com' Soon developed into something more akin to badexperience.com. ......Has any one had a positive experience from this web site?[/QUOTE]
Nope, a negative experience too. I just posted this a couple of days ago in reply to a question on the St Petersburg forum about the same website:
[i]"I used this website last year to find girls in Ukraine. You must pay a fee to get the phone number or email address of the girl and it's a total waste of money.[/i]
[i]Girls who no longer work are not removed, so 90% of their database is out of date. For the remaining ones, you can find them on other (free) web sites.[/i]
[i]In Ukraine, 99% of the girls are working for Gia or SFH (free sites). I was really pissed off as, initially, I saw on BadRussianGirls some girls who were not on Gia or SFH websites, so I paid the fee. It turns out that the phone number and email address are those of Gia and SFH. They are former girls of these agencies, who have been removed from their respective website because the girls stopped working long ago.[/i]
[i]I've also checked for Belarus, and girls are no longer working too. For Moscow, same girls are on tons of other (free) web sites.[/i]
[i]I've not checked St Pete, but I doubt it's different.[/i]
I'm surprised by your comments about the girls though, if they come from Gia or SFH. I have positive experience with these agencies, girls on their website are real and the ones I had provided good services "all included" (no extra payments).
I arrived in Kyev last night very late. Was really tired but couldn't resist doing some hunting. Checked out the casino and bar in the hotel and not a single lady (or patron) to be found (not too surprised for a Sunday night at about 2 a.m.). Happened to pick up a copy of the Kyev Post on the plane coming in so I called Vice Sisters and asked how much. They said $50 for an hour. I said I wanted a girl for one hour OWO CIM and they said none of the girls do OWO, oral with condom and classical sex only. That was a surprise but not a show stopper. They asked if I wanted a blonde. I said yes, and she needs to be slim. They said she would be there in 20 to 30 minutes and I would have to go to the lobby to pick her up. I said fine. She called in 15 minutes or less and I went down to pick her up. She was a redhead (go figure, they asked me if I wanted a blonde and I said yes). I waited while she registered with security. I expected to need to pay $20 for her to get past security but didn't need to pay anything. Security was really nice and apologized for the delay but said it was safer if she registered. I said no problem. She came up to the room and started saying something in Russian. I didn't understand but took it to mean she wanted to be paid in advance. I said no, I would pay after. She talked some more so I picked up the paper and pointed to the Vice Sisters ad and started to call Vice Sisters. I figured I would call them and have them explain or translate. She said something and started to leave. She wasn't that great so I decided to call her bluff. I figured she would be back knocking on the door in 2 or 3 minutes, or I would get a call from Vice Sisters. I fell asleep pretty much instantly. I woke up some time later and nothing - no knock on the door, no call from Vice Sisters.
So what's the story guys? Some details please from guys with experience with the call in services (Gia, Kiev Beauties, Desired Stars, Vice Sisters, etc.) Do they expect to be paid in advance, or after the deed? Normally its always pay after play. Please tell me the story here. Does the policy vary from agency to agency?
Speaking for myself I always try to pay afterwards. Until now I only had a problem once with it. And indeed the girl wanted to leave, So I said directly “ok, go” and then she realized that she would not have any income, so she stayed. :-)
When a girl from an agency comes to the apartment she will always call her agency as soon as she arrived. Mostly the phone will be handed over to you and then the agency will ask if I like the girl or not. When you say yes, they will ask you to pay in advance. At that time you have to say to the agency that you will pay after the act. Mostly it is ok!
I also experienced many times that the word “money” does not exist in the vocabulary of a girl until she gets dressed to leave. Once I even had to remind a girl that I still had to pay her :-) She came for two hours, but stayed all night. In the morning she forgot about the payment :-)
I really think it different with every girl and I also think it has to do with some kind of “trust” between the girl and you. I mostly offer the girls a tea and/or a cigarette when they just arrive. And I always show her the flat and give her a clean towel.
Then I mostly start talking about her life to get to know her better. And of course all the mentioned things to comfort her. And after that I’m sure that payment is mostly afterwards and the sex is better. :-)
Have fun,
Cheers
In my experience it's always pay before play.
Most of the girls I've pulled from RP didn't ask for the cash until it was time for them to go home from my apartment. But I think that is a case of YMMV. One time I had a girl en route from RP ask for the money, that was a big no go. But if a girl asks for the money when she is in your apartment/hotel room I don't see any reason not to give it to her, I think that is standard in this situation.
And as always, keep anything you want to see again out of sight.
Fully agree with Cruiser D. If I like the girl, I also pay before play, once we're back in my apartment.
One girl explained to me one day that, otherwise, some guys always find some excuses not to pay (was not a good session, did not cum, cum too early so what about half price, bla bla bla...).
On one occasion, the girl turned out to be really bad. I just called the agency and they gave me credit for another girl the next night.
Hey, where has the Doctor been hiding. Don't tell me he has found true love? ;)
Hey there,
I'm going to be in Kiev for a single night. Since I get in the evening I'm interested in ideas on where to stay and then ideas on "instant meetings".
I've been to Kiev before when I had more time (with apartment) and visited RP, but with only 1 night I don't think the apartment option is a good one (experienced guys feel free to correct me.) So I guess the easy idea would be staying in the RUS and either hooking up there (is it possible? never even went into a hotel) or going to the RP. AM I going to have to make a "donation" to security when I get back with my "date".
I appreciate all replies.
Hy all,
I'm planning a new trip tp Kiev! I read in internet about massage.
Did somebody use "Rakuena" or "Bagira"? Some advise for me please? Other better salon?
Spasibo
Yes, of course on reflection I should have just closed the door on them but it was 01.00 am in the morning and I had been drinking, plus in the back of my mind was the concern that they would start a screaming match and wake up the whole block. Although I have been staying in the same apartment for almost 5 years I am still regarded with suspicion by my neighbours due to being the only foreigner.
As for the prices going up there are two reasons for that, one is the general rise in the cost of living in Kiev over the last few years, and the other of course is the ever increasing number of foreigners like us who are more than happy to visit Kiev with dollars or euros in our pockets and exploit the local female population most of whom are considerably lower than us on the social/economic scale. As somebody once said 'Poverty is a great aphrodisiac'.
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Gave them taxi fare? At this point you should have said 'no thanks' and slammed the door in their faces, which is much kinder then they would have expected from a local. Or if you wanted to be polite westerner you could have said, 'sorry girls, you aren't even close to what I was looking for', smile at them and then shut the door. Make sure when you are on the phone with the business agent you make it clear unattractive girls will be sent away.
And one wonders as to why prices for a hot chick have gone from 50-100-150-? in five years.
When ANYTHING starts to go wrong in a deal like this, if you haven't paid already END IT at once. Sometimes even when you have paid it might be worth it to hit the eject button.
I just checked out the website and saw a few Gia girls and other local agencies. Damn I miss those hot slavic babes.[/QUOTE]
Hi Crazy Travel,
I found the Rakuena web site in april and decided to give them a try on my next trip.
During my june trip, I called a taxi in the afternoon and ask the driver to call Rakuena to check if the massage salon was open as well as to make sure the address was correct (Fushika 5).
The driver was speaking little english but enough to understand what I was waiting from him. After short time on the phone, he said : Open, address okay, let´s go ?
It tooks about 20 minutes to get there from Khreschatik because of the traffic jam (the Fushika street is located near the train station but there is no metro station close).
Rakuena is located in a classic (horrible) housing building. You have to go in trough the courtyard in the back of the building (the driver had to call again to find his way).
After waiting 1 or 2 minutes in the taxi, a young girl shows up and ask me if I want a massage. After answering yes, I made a deal with the driver to come back after an hour and followed the girl to the Rakuena appartment.
The appartment is located on the ground floor. I was offered a seat in the living room. The girl asked me to wait the manager who is speaking english. After 1 or 2 minutes a lady showed up and asked me what kind of massage I want.
I said a (1 hour) relaxing erotic massage will be fine. The lady proposed me a 1 hour body body massage with happy end for 230 hryvnas. The lady made it clear 3 times that the massages are including handjob but no sex. I agreed for the body body massage and she called the girls on duty that afternoon ( it seems that they have a total of 10 girls working but only 3 to 5 girls per day. So better to call in advance if you want a specific girl).
The girls stayed in line while the lady introduced me each of the girl. Both 3 girls were good looking 18-20 years old ( Lija - 1 short girl with long dark hair, ??? - 1 short girl with long blond hair and big breasts and Viktoria - a tall girl with shoulder lenght light brown hair).
I picked up Viktoria and followed her to a bedroom in the back of the appartment where she turned on the music and lightened a few aromatic candles. After a quick shower she proceed to the 1 hour body body massage she finished with a handjob (she let me come on her breasts).
Viktoria has a nice body and was friendly during the 1 hour session but speaks almost no english.
Nice relaxing afternoon break but not the ultimate experience (I had better erotic massages in Riga and Prague i.e.) but I will definitely go back to Rakuena during my next trip.
Never used Bagira. Otherwise I heard that GIA escort service is also operating a privat appartment during the day time. It looks like a massage salon but the full service is maybe available there if they use the same girls as for escort.
Mark
Day 1 in Kiev. Yesterday I posted that I arrived late Sunday night and called Vice Sisters for a 1 hour girl. She came to my room and wanted me to pay in advance and I followed the old rule, never pay before the play, so she left. Thanks to the guys that posted and told me that its safe to pay before play when dealing with an agency.
Day 2 was strange but turned out well. Didn’t get back to the hotel after meetings until after 11 p.m. Tried to call Gia many times but no answer. Saw on their website today that the English line closes at 11:30 p.m. Went to the bar in the lobby to get some ice and this time (Monday night) there were 6 girls in the area. Talked to one for a while. She quoted $150 for 2 hours. I told her that I could get a young beauty from Gia for $150 for 4 hours. She wouldn’t come down in price. Then I told her I wanted OWO and she said she doesn’t do that. End of conversation with her. Checked out the other girls for a few minutes and went over to talk to the next girl. She quoted same price and wouldn’t come down any. But she was willing to do OWO (assured me she was good and I would be happy) and spoke good English so agreed. Went back to the room and had a drink and she was aggressive to drop my pants pretty quickly and start some nice oral with me standing. I took a few pictures of her and will post as soon as I can transfer the photographs and figure out how to post them. After that she sucked and I fucked her brains out non-stop for about 45 minutes. I was in a nice groove where I was tired and didn’t cum but had no problem staying hard so I could pump at will and enjoy. Suddenly she jumped up and said she had to go. Of course I asked why when she said she would stay for 2 hours. Said it was later than she realized and had made a mistake on the time. Didn’t sound very likely to me, but she immediately went into furious phone calling and located one of the other girls in the bar and had her come up to take her place and assured she could stay for 2 full hours. I paid the first girl $40 and of course she wanted more so I gave her 100 grivna more. The replacement arrived and she turned out to be the girl I really was most interested in, but she had been ignoring me in the bar. I asked her why she ignored me before and she said that I was talking to another girl and she didn’t want to cause a problem. These girls probably work this place regularly and want to avoid conflicts. Got to admire their playing by their rules. Got a couple of pictures of this girl too. We talked a little. She wouldn’t come down in price. She explained that she had to pay security at the hotel, $40 for one hour, $50 for two hours and $100 for all night. I doubt its really that expensive but may be true. I’m sure these girls that work the lobby of the hotel do have an arrangement to pay security. If anyone else has a chance with a girl picked up in your hotel, check this with her and report what payment she has to make. We took a shower (not surprising since this was right after the first girl) and I got her into sucking and licking balls while I was standing and she was sitting. I was enjoying this but after a while she pulled me over to the bed so I turned her back side to me and had her bend over the bed and I stood behind her for a while and took her from behind. Then we got into bed and I proceeded to fuck her brains out for nearly 2 hours, still in the same groove of enjoying fully but not cumming because I was tired. I was really enjoying it but she got frustrated. After over 1 hr and 30 minutes (but short of 2 hours) she asked when I would cum so she could leave. I told her it didn’t matter because she said she would stay for 2 hours. She said no, she would leave after I came once. She got frustrated that I didn’t cum and got up and got dressed and said she wanted her money. She said I wasn’t normal (she was right, I wouldn’t normally be able to fuck two girls brains out for 2 hours and not cum). I told her the 2 hours was nearly finished and then I would pay and she could leave. She insisted she wouldn’t do any more. After badgering me for money for a few minutes she took the money I had in my pants front pocket, which was about the right amount of money, but maybe a little short, and left in a huff. I was surprised that she left since I really did plan to make sure she was paid in full just a few minutes later, I was hoping she would go back to doing oral for a few minutes more until the 2 hours was up. Anyway I was well satisfied. I thought it was kind of stupid of her to put on a bad attitude with only a few minutes left, after over 1 1/2 hours of work. Later I realized she may have been making sure she didn’t stay any longer than 2 hours to avoid paying more to security, but I was way too tired to think of that at the time. She took the money I had in my pants front pocket and left but I didn’t have to worry about her taking my wallet. When I checked in I searched the room for a room safe but there wasn’t any. The closet had a key but the lock didn’t work. I looked around and found a minibar with a lock. Before I brought the first girl back to my room I put the right amount of money in my front pocket (plus some extra for tip if deserved) and locked my wallet and other valuables in the minibar (hope the refrigeration didn’t hurt my cellphone), Anyway, I enjoyed the action and the strangeness of switching girls was more fun than annoyance.
Picture and more posts to come.
Could someone please post the English contact phone number for Desired Stars? I thought it was in the web pages that I saved before coming to Kiev, and I can’t reach the site from here (but I can reach Gia, and Kiev Beauties).
Thanks to all for your recent answers to my questions, and for the Desired Stars phone number.
Although you had two girls in a short time I think that you are not very lucky with those girls. I think it's a shame for your money! I think I have bin more lucky when I was in Kiev. The girls I had in Kiev will do anything to let you cum and mostly they don’t even look at the time.
I hope you’ll find a better and a more professional girl next time! Have fun in Kiev and I look forward to your pics!
Cheers
Crazy Travel,
You might want to check out my 7/16 post. I didn't have a "want to return" feeling like MarkABC.
[QUOTE=Whumper]
Could someone please post the English contact phone number for Desired Stars?[/QUOTE]
Their phone number is +380 975 14 77 33
The website can't be reached from Kiev indeed, it's set-up this way to protect privacy of the girls. I've copied and put photos of their girls here so you can make your choice:
[i]<<Edited: Link now removed>>[/i]
I'll remove it in a couple of days.
Last year, I've seen Olya. Not the best looking girl, but she was put on the website just one week before I came and I like to see new (and fresh) girls. She was real fine, OWO, DFK, fingering, make sure you're happy. Don't know if she still has the same attitude now that's she's almost one year on the job. If you don't already have somebody in mind, you may try her.
Have fun,
Jim
[QUOTE=Crazy Travel]Hy all,
I'm planning a new trip tp Kiev! I read in internet about massage.
Did somebody use "Rakuena" or "Bagira"? Some advise for me please? Other better salon?
Spasibo[/QUOTE]Hi Crazy Travel, here is a copy & paste from my report 06-05-2005. For that price you can have 1 hour full service somewhere else but it can be something worth trying once.
[QUOTE=Dant75]I have also been to Bagira Massage ([url]http://bagira.net.ua[/url] ), so-so english speaking manager. I could choose among 3 masseuses (erotic massage 1h / 250 grivnas / $49) and Bagira herself (600 grivnas / $118). I didn’t really like Bagira so I didn’t even ask what she would do for that price. I choosed Lena. We came to a small massage room (less than 7 square meters) with mirrors, relaxing music, shower, clean towel and bed. Shower together, good oiled tonic massage, and body-body with breast and ass. No penetration, I was allowed to touch her breast and buttocks, hand and breast relief. Good performance from Lena, I gave her a little tip.
Wallyally : you may come to Bagira, it’s not in the center but 2 metro stations away from Palats Sportu (near Bessarabska). First time : better go with a taxi and mobile phone, not easy to find if you don’t speak russian. It’s opened in the afternoon if you call them before. Rakuena opens at 10 pm. There is also Anahata ([url]http://www.anahata.kiev.ua[/url] ) the massage salon from Gia.[/QUOTE]
Cruiser D:
I am neither dead nor in love... beyond the kind of love with a half-life of 4 weeks... just in some sort of ill-advised self-imposed semi-celibate hibernation. Hibernation ends next Monday. About fucking time. Hibernation sucks.
Whumper:
No offense, but in reading your report it almost seems like you gave the ladies a bad vibe, actually encouraging their less than forthcoming reaction. In my experience pros feed on atmosphere and if you present one in which you are overly suspicious of them and/or their intent, you remind them of what they are and they behave accordingly. That said, the switcheroo is still a good score... more or less two for the price of one... so I guess you won in the end!
Great. Really thank to all for advise! I'll tell, I hope my girl will work at least one day so I could see what Kiev offer.
Jack,
I read your report dated 7/16. I don´t know if I was lucky when I visited the massage salon in june or if you was unlucky when you visited them in july?
Anywy, I´m currently on my way to Kiev and will stop at Rakuena again during the weekend. I will post a report next week.
This site allows for an expression of most sexual desires. However, it is a puzzle to me that guys could come all this way to Kiev just for a massage and hand job or what is sometimes referred to as a "rub & tug." They can get this from nice Russian or Ukrainian (or Oriental) ladies at home for a lot cheaper. There is such a concentration of prime stunning and beautiful talent here, all ready and willing, that you can meet most anywhere, from club and bar pickups to pros, for a night or a week of pleasure, that massage parlors are just not on my radar screen. I know you can occasionally get full sex services in massage parlors here but it is very hit or miss and most of the time you will need to speak Russian in order to obtain such "favors."
Most of my ladies are non-pros, those I meet at business functions or through local friends or just sitting around in bars or restaurants. However, sometimes I just want to indulge and enjoy sampling the local professionals.
Few would ever imagine that if you came to Kiev, you could spend time with a porn actress. She has been in about five or so Sineplex productions under the name of Yana.
She is quite a wild handful. Her name is Inga and her web site is [url]http://www.inga.50megs.com/[/url]
All the pictures on the site are authentic. In fact, she is much much better looking when you meet her than she is in the pictures. The site is all in English. She also has a good knowledge of English for the cyrillically challenged.
She is open to any option, with a list on her site. She is pricey for Kiev but you get one helluva very real porn star experience, much cheaper than in the USA or Europe. You can visit her incall but the place is rather far from the center. If you don't know your way around, it would be better if she did an outcall.
I can recommend her highly if you want great time. I am still reeling from the experience and will definitely see her again.
I've tried to get a hold of her before Uke, how is her english?
And those are implants, right?
Cruiser,
Her English is pretty good although I spoke with her mostly in Russian. She communicates well enough in English that you should have no problems understanding one another.
She is well worth getting hold of!!!!
Yes, those are implants. If you see her videos, you can see a strong difference in the before and after. To be honest, the after is much better and while I do not like implants, all the rest is a naturally-honed very hard body and very nice.
Next time you are here, she should be on your list of definite things to do.
Hey everyone,
I was planning to use Gia's tour option to visit Kiev, and I've had a look at the website but the girl I liked Zhanna, only has basic English.
Does anyone know exactly how good her English is?
Cheers
Danny
UB... she's very pretty, but fake boobs are one of the reasons that I left the USA...
I really hope that plastic tits... plastic lips... plastic XXXXX, you fill in the blank, don't become the norm in the FSU! Fortunately, most of the girls can't afford to pump up various body parts.
She is in Kiev... correct? Her number is a mobile number.
CAT
I couldn't agree with you more about fake boobs. Hers are rock hard but her body is also that way, not a gram of fat anywhere. It appears that she does work out hard to keep it that way. Also, the session was such that I could not keep up, walking out completely drained after what was a genuine PSE. It was expensive by Kiev standards but worth every kopeck. In fact, I will see her again at some point. Thankfully all the other local ladies cost so much less.
Plastic, unfortunately, is the coming thing here. I know of many who, while they have not gone to the boob extreme, have used it for lips, nose and other relatively minor options. Unfortunately, CAT, you know that with time, there will be these major surgical inroads here as well.
And, yes, she is very good looking in person and located here in Kiev.
Hi Danny. Zhanna doesn't speak english at all but it's a nice girl. I tried to improve my poor russian my russian with her. She likes good chocolate.
I had good experience with her. It recommended her to one of my fellow monger but it was less good with him, it depends. Nastia speaks good english but I prefer Zhanna.
Hello all,
I have been wondering for a long time how good is Europe Dates ([url]www.europedates.com[/url]). The ladies are really good looking. Do you think that it is worthwhile to take a subscription to the site? Has any of you tried any of these girls? Is it a scam or is it reliable?
Thanks for your answers.
Kind regards.
Bimbo Boy.
Bimbo Boy:
Better question: Are there any subscription sites that are reliable?
I used to swear by the free sites, and they are still good... but like everything in EE, it is getting tougher and tougher as the competition from both locals and the increasing numbers of foreigners increases. Everything is still there and possible, but more work/time input is required... and who has that?
UB... Unfortunately, you are spot on... The Western influence will eventually penetrate the FSU. As an example, for the past four summers in Moscow, if I saw one or two tattooed or pierced teenager in a month it was unusual...
Now, it is common to see teenagers walking around like in the USA... black leather with studs protruding from all over their body with tattoos all around.
Ugh...
The sweet young girls now look like they are American/British/German punks...
Too bad...
Fortunately, there are still many sweet young girls out there waiting to be swept away that do not have plastic, metal, ink or other things marring their smooth flesh! :) AND, I have made it my job to try to corrupt as many of them as possible...
I like very slender girls with implants. She'll be #1 on my list the next time I'm in Kiev, which should be within a month or two. I think I had a problem getting ahold of her because I wasn't in Kiev when I tried to contact her and I think when I first found her website was brand new and perhaps she wasn't monitoring email yet. Is she fun to be with and have a personality? ;)
Do you know any back story on her you'd like to PM to me? ;)
[QUOTE=Uke Boy]Cruiser,
Her English is pretty good although I spoke with her mostly in Russian. She communicates well enough in English that you should have no problems understanding one another.
She is well worth getting hold of!!!!
Yes, those are implants. If you see her videos, you can see a strong difference in the before and after. To be honest, the after is much better and while I do not like implants, all the rest is a naturally-honed very hard body and very nice.
Next time you are here, she should be on your list of definite things to do.[/QUOTE]
Hello,
I will be back around in Kiev in december and just wanted to know if anyone else will be and would like to have a couple of drinks and go out hunting for some beautiful Ukrainians or failing that go to River Palace :)
Ossie boy
Some days you hunt bears, and some days the bear hunts you. I'm back now after 10 days in Kiev and I'll share some of my experiences as I remember them. I don't keep a daily diary so please don't expect my comments to be either sequential or comprehensive. My preference would be to just post pictures, but my camera was stolen on this visit.
One weekend evening I found myself strolling down Khreschatik with the intention of finding a free date. The weather was perfect, the crowds were large, and the best looking women in the world were clearly overrepresented tonight. Still I am somewhat intimidated since I'm not sure how I want to make initial contact. What I end up doing is randomly attempt to make eye contact with any girl of interest. Of course I get no response from 99%, but out of a crowd of hundreds only one or two response would be entirely sufficient for me. Eventually a girl sees me, returns eye contact, coming up to me and hands me a card. She introduces herself as Oksana and tells me of a message parlor which she can take me to. My impression of message parlors is that they tend to cost as much as full service but don't do as much. I kept the card, but declined the immediate offer.
I continue walking and another pair of girls look back. This time I say hello first, which instantly identifies my accent and limited knowledge of Russian as a probable American. Their English is better than my Russian so after some small talk involving our names and where I'm from, they ask directly whether I'm interested in sex. I was hoping to meet amateurs tonight, but I asked how much and one of them says fifty dollars. These two girls were reasonably attractive, so how could I refuse?
Ten minutes later we're back at my apartment and I've decided to do only the blonde, so the brunette watches TV in my living room and waits for her friend. I make no fancy demands and only want straight sex and she happily complies, in fact it was a GFE. Usually I wouldn't expect a GFE from a SW, but I genuinely felt like she liked me and enjoyed spending time with me. Her girlfriend came in from the living room and continued having a pleasant conversation with us as we laid naked after intercourse. The illusion was finally burst when I invited them to join me in the Arena disco. Business was business so they declined, I paid fifty as agreed, and they didn't even request taxi fare.
I can't imagine they wouldn't appreciate the business so here's the particulars for mongers in Kiev: Alena was the blonde +38067 526 8696, and Marina was the brunette +38097 923 8722.
On another day again stolling down Khreschatik, they spotted me and called me on my mobile. This time I went for both and as it turns out, the brunette was IMHO the better performer. One final word to the mongers: these girls are nice, don't screw up a good thing.
I will be In Ukraine be the end of Sep, I do not have time to reed all this grate site to be up to date wit all the info. I will be in some of the hotel's, maybe the dnipro hotel, so maybe can some give me some info. Like some site's to find reel beautiful woman, I now Gia Girls In my experience day our the best, but maybe it is also other, for that pries
Thanks for every one I will report back
Is day ladies from sexlady.kiev.ua reel ? Is the PICT. Reel ? And also our day in kive or somewhere else in Ukraine ?
Thanks for any info.
Hi guys,
Have anyone had experience with Tina, Yula or Zhanna from Gia?
Rgds, Per.
Her555
I estimate that about 60% to 70% of the photos of the ladies on this site for Kiev are more or less accurate. The rest are taken from other sites or magazines. I cannot tell you anything about the other cities.
A good many of these Kiev ladies are independent providers.
Enjoy yourself and let us know how you make out here.
Does anyone think that the Gia tour option is good value?
Am I better off organising my own airport pick up and accommodation and then just hiring one of the girls?
Does anyone have any comments on Yula or Veronika?
Cheers
Danny
I have had experience of Tina and can recommend her highly. Apart from the financial transaction shortly before she left, I found her to be more like a non professional that you would meet in a club etc. She is an attractive nice natured girl who gives the impression she enjoys her work, however she does not speak English but I guess language lessons are not your priority here. I was impressed enough to book her on several occasions.
[QUOTE=Per Post]Hi guys,
Have anyone had experience with Tina, Yula or Zhanna from Gia?
Rgds, Per.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Per Post]Hi guys,
Have anyone had experience with Tina, Yula or Zhanna from Gia?
Rgds, Per.[/QUOTE]I'm happy to report that I did partake of GIA services while in Kiev a couple weeks ago. On seperate occasions I chose Ania and Veronika. Each arrived about 10 or fifteen minutes later than the 1 hour suggested by the agency, but I don't see that as a big deal. Each spoke passable English and each made a convincing GFE as well as an energetic performance in bed. I think the pictures of Veronika really don't do her justice. Also for each I reserved two hours which was supposed to cost 120 dollars. I threw in an extra 30 to make it 150, I was so happy. Sorry if I'm contributing to inflation, but they deserved it.
Sorry Per Post, didn't actually try Tina, Yula or Zhanna. Maybe next time.
[quote=dant75]been there in kiev late may with my buddy.
...
we went to millenium strip club in hotel dnipro, entrance 100 grivnas ($19), reasonable prices for drinks. really good looking girls, 7-9 in looks, nearly 200cm tall with their high heels, very good show (but i am not specialist). we were approached by 2 girls who quickly asked us if we lived in the hotel (guess for what !) and if we would offer them some drinks. they were not the best looking ones and we politely declined. we observed the situation : girls talking to customers, private dance 300 grivnas ($59). two times we saw a stripper got dressed in normal clothes coming back to a customer and leaving the club with him. i guess it was expensive but we were not proposed that. the girls already knew that we were not in the hotel and not ready to spend extra bucks.[/quote]i can verify dant75's account and i'd add that the asking price for leaving club with a dancer is $200. only one girl approached me and after buying her a small drink and declining the extra services she smiled, she good bye, and left. i stayed for another half hour but no others approached me.
i've had a previous experience in the caberet strip club accross from the rus hotel where the girls were great (and plentiful) and the show was great (even brought me on the stage where the dancers pulled off a fair amount of my clothes as i did theirs), but when i ran out of smaller currency demoninations for tipping the waitresses and management absolutely refused to make change. my tab for drinks was rounded up to the nearest 100 grivna, the cover charge which is cleverly collected on the way out also rounded upwards, it tore at my heart not to leave a tip for the elderly coat check woman but i was not going to leave the equivalent of $20 for hanging my jacket (this was in april), and finally the security guard tells me directly that i should leave him a tip as he stands by the exit door. call me intimidated but i don't mess with these people. after happily receiving my 100 grivna tip he informs me that he can find for me ****d girls if that's what i'm looking for. that's something i never asked for and i declined and left.
i wasn't going to let my caberet experience repeat at millenium and i came equipted with an ample supply of american single dollars. for me a strip club is where you see and feel tits. even american non-alcohol bars where the cover charge and mandatory first drink run $20, will make any touching of the breast strictly verboten. however i noticed that although most dancers allowed my fingers to brush up against theirs nips as they received their tip, not all would allow it. i was never stopped or questioned by management or others but i couldn't help but notice i was alone in this practice and that each dancer decided individually whether she'd care to accept. strange. i guess, for their $20 entrance fee, most customers are content only to look and then buy the $60 lap dance if they feel inspired. call me cheap but dollar tips and occasional drinks is as much as i want to spend at any strip bar.
also i'd note that millenium isn't a very large club. they have one stage with one dancer at a time and less than a dozen tables. as it turns out the caberet practice of refusing to make change was thankfully not in evidence at millenium. they're not as fancy but the girls are quality and the establishment seems honest. much of the same can be said for the strip bar at the ukraine hotel right on independence square. actually their cover charge is about half of millenium's but their girls are a notch less in looks also.
Club 112 is found in the Arena complex and though it is not the fanciest (i.e. It's kinda ill-lit, crowded and in a basement.), it does have the advantage remaining open after all others have closed. Fact is, I don't know what their hours are but I've arrived there both weekends and weekdays at 2AM and they're going strong, and I've left them as late as 5AM with no discernable evidence that they're preparing to close. Truely this is the home base for Kiev's hardcore partyers.
Music here might be slightly more rock'n'roll than trance house or hip hop, and the DJ or dancers don't take center stage here. There is no center stage here, there's just a long bar where you push or wedge your way up to to get a drink, the dance floor is anywhere you can find elbowroom, and amply plush chairs and tables are tucked in the corners for those who've grown tired of effort of drinking and dancing. But it's the girls, not the environment, that justifies the 40 grivna (~$8) cover charge. As I sorta move to the music (I wouldn't call it dancing), and as I aquire my occasional beer, I carefully note whether any interesting girls are returning eye contact or just dancing in my direction.
Not all girls are available, but there's no cost and little risk in asking your object of interest whether she speaks English and whether she's like a drink. This is how I met Marina who is not to be confused with anyone else named Marina in my previous posts. Marina is blonde and says says from Olmsk (sp?) in the Russian Federation, but she's living now in Turkey. She loves the climate but she doesn't like Turkish men. Forgive me, but I've forgotten the name of her drink of preference. For some reason she told me where to stand (which was directly behind her) as she ordered her favorite drink. The drink required that the bartender sit up on the bar as she leaned Marina's head backwards and poured two bottles of beverage into her open mouth. The bartender then grabs Marina by the shoulders, shakes vigorously, pushes Marina directly at me. Marina is amply enough endowed that I enjoyed the contact. Wish I could remember the name of that drink.
Anyway Marina is more particular about the music she listens to than I am, and after setting a price of $100 for her services, she suggests we go to another bar before going back to my apartment. I'm under the impression that if she's satisfied with a long night of partying she'll likely be more fun in bed also, so we hail a cab and she tells the driver where to go. The bar is about a twenty minute ride, and again I can't remember the name or address. I can tell you I saw us passing the River Palace and crossing over a long bridge. The taxi dropped us off at an area that looked like a late night flea market with stand outdoor stands selling groceries and drinks. We walk thru a small tunnel and on the other side is her bar of choice. No Americans or foreigners that I can detect are here, but fortunately my limited Russian and a pocket full of grivnas is enough to buy drinks. We dance awhile and again she orders her favorite drink as mentioned before, and I brace myself for impact. There's also a stage with a topless show, so I enjoy the entertainment.
Where is this story going? Eventually she's partied out and it's early morning. We go back to my apartment, we have one encounter in bed but we are both tired. Anything resembling sleep is interupted by her cell phone going off every half hour or so. I don't hear her speak so I think she's just receiving messages. After a couple hours I try to reinitiate sex, but she curls up in fetal position. Soon after she dresses quickly and says she has to go. She's a cute girl and I bought her another drink when i saw her again the next day, but I have to admit I was not impressed with her performance in bed.
If you're Kiev and if she hasn't returned to Turkey, maybe you can give her a try and maybe you're luck would be better. You could try calling her at 8067 348 7706. Good luck.
Hi Gents,
I plan to bring my girlfriend to Denmark, but why not save money on ticket / visum - any good ideas as it is my first time doing this!
I hope for som input.
Br.
Kurt
Hi Kurt
I don't quite follow; how can you possible avoid ticket and visa?
Per
[QUOTE=Kurt 62]Hi Gents,
I plan to bring my girlfriend to Denmark, but why not save money on ticket / visum - any good ideas as it is my first time doing this!
I hope for som input.
Br.
Kurt[/QUOTE]
Air Baltic (Latvian national airlines) has flights to Odessa from Riga so you could buy via internet Odessa-Riga and Riga-Copenaghen. The sooner you book the less you pay :-)
Enjoy
[QUOTE=Kurt 62]Hi Gents,
I plan to bring my girlfriend to Denmark, but why not save money on ticket / visum - any good ideas as it is my first time doing this!
I hope for som input.
Br.
Kurt[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Humsup] ...
Day 1
Teamed up with another WSG member for dinner and we both checked out the scene in 112 and Supper Club located in Arena City.
Not a lot of girls in 112, cover charge 10 or 20 hrn but the ones that were there were appealing to the eyes, moved on to Supper Club, free entry price. Now this is more like it, not full but not too empty and not an ugly girl in sight. ...
... [/QUOTE]While I was in Kiev (early September) Supper Club did charge admission on Fridays and weekends when an advertised DJ was playing. Something like 50 grivna if I remember right. On the weekdays with free admission I found myself to be either the only customer or one of less than half a dozen. Not much to do there unless you strike up an interesting conversation with one of the barmaids or the apprentice DJ. I guess you get what you pay for.
Also I seem to recall that admission to the 112 was more like 40 grivna, but maybe I'm remembering the night they had a special event. They had an MC on the floor with a wireless mic and seemed to chatter continuously but incomprehensibly to the female customers. Of course I have very limited Russian language comprehension so I'm ignoring him. A few minutes later a six foot table is set up on the very crowded and limited dance floor, and after a few more hand waving gestures by the MC the music volume is lowered, a few more dramatic but incomprehensible annoucements are made, then from a door behind the bar out comes a girl with only a bikini bottom and a towel held against her top. I realize now that what the MC was trying to do earlier was recruit a female volunteer from among the crowd, and it appears now that he did a good job. The bikini bottom girl lays down face up on the table, loses the towel, and a team of three chefs proceed lay out a banquet of various fruits, whipped cream, and other food items accross her body. The crowd is then invited to enjoy the banquet but no hands are allowed. I seem to recall finding a strawberry and brushing against a nipple as I picked it up with my mouth. Anyway, it was well worth the admission charge.
The admission fee in Club 112 (like in River Palace and other discos) is not the same every night. One night I paid only 20 hrivnas, another night I paid 40 hrivnas...
Club 112 seems to have entertainement programme every night in addition to the dj´s music ( go-go girls dancing on the bar, strip-tease shows, games and contests...).
I was told by 2 differents girls that :
- the girls picked-up from the crowd are usually paid by the club to play "the-regular-customer-like-you" who is shy but is finally part of the show...
- the club is also paying a few good looking girls to dance all night long at the gallery and in front of the bar...
I don´t know if it´s true or not but who cares finally ?
Both times I went to the club 112 I saw a few WG (between 6 and 10 girls obviously working: looking for eye contacts, smiling to me...). No´9´s or 10´s but rather 6´s, 7´s and 8´s. 4 girls finally moved to me during the time I spent in the club. Both speaking english. The common price (like in River Palace and Moda bar now) is 200 USD. Time lenght has to be negociate with each girl ( may vary from a couple of hours to all night).
Are you sure the take home price at Dnipro is $200?
I had a long term expat bud tell me it was I think either 300Euro or 400US. And I followed it up in person and was quoted that price. And I actually ended up dating a girl who used to work there and told me the management sets the price and takes a BIG cut.
If the girl was quoting you $200 it was on the side or you didn't understand her. Or has the unthinkable started to happen, prices dropping in Kiev?
[QUOTE=Cyberspace]I can verify Dant75's account and I'd add that the asking price for leaving club with a dancer is $200. Only one girl approached me and after buying her a small drink and declining the extra services she smiled, she good bye, and left. I stayed for another half hour but no others approached me.
Also I'd note that Millenium isn't a very large club. They have one stage with one dancer at a time and less than a dozen tables. As it turns out the Caberet practice of refusing to make change was thankfully not in evidence at Millenium. They're not as fancy but the girls are quality and the establishment seems honest. Much of the same can be said for the strip bar at the Ukraine hotel right on Independence Square. Actually their cover charge is about half of Millenium's but their girls are a notch less in looks also.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MarkABC]The admission fee in Club 112 (like in River Palace and other discos) is not the same every night. One night I paid only 20 hrivnas, another night I paid 40 hrivnas.
Club 112 seems to have entertainement programme every night in addition to the dj´s music ( go-go girls dancing on the bar, strip-tease shows, games and contests...).
I was told by 2 differents girls that :
- the girls picked-up from the crowd are usually paid by the club to play "the-regular-customer-like-you" who is shy but is finally part of the show...
- the club is also paying a few good looking girls to dance all night long at the gallery and in front of the bar...
I don´t know if it´s true or not but who cares finally ?
Both times I went to the club 112 I saw a few WG (between 6 and 10 girls obviously working: looking for eye contacts, smiling to me...). No´9´s or 10´s but rather 6´s, 7´s and 8´s. 4 girls finally moved to me during the time I spent in the club. Both speaking english. The common price (like in River Palace and Moda bar now) is 200 USD. Time lenght has to be negociate with each girl ( may vary from a couple of hours to all night).[/QUOTE]
You may be right about the variable admission price at 112, but I've never seen it greaer than 40 grivna. I probably had gone there a half dozen times on my 10 day visit in early September, but I recall seeing a special entertainment program only once and that was the one I wrote about in my previous post. Maybe I missed other programs as a result of my habit of coming in after midnight and later. Anyway, I only scored twice there but that may be only partly due to lack of selection. I tend to be good for only one session a day and after having one with a GIA escort I tend not to be looking in earnest. Each time I did score though, I did so for 100 USD, but maybe that's a late night price or maybe I'm just lucky. In all modesty I have to tell you I'm usually not that lucky.
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Are you sure the take home price at Dnipro is $200?
I had a long term expat bud tell me it was I think either 300Euro or 400US. And I followed it up in person and was quoted that price. And I actually ended up dating a girl who used to work there and told me the management sets the price and takes a BIG cut.
If the girl was quoting you $200 it was on the side or you didn't understand her. Or has the unthinkable started to happen, prices dropping in Kiev?[/QUOTE]
I may have to plead fuzzy memory regarding my $200 price quote. I clearly recall them mentioning a $200 option but I don't recall whether that was really for take out to my own apartment or whether that would be only within the hotel. Once they go much over $100 I tend not to take their offers seriously and I confess may lack attention to detail. As I've written before, I view strip clubs as maybe a good deal for seeing and feeling tits, but rarely for anything more.
Also, that management takes a BIG cut doesn't surprise me too much. I suppose there's some justification in that there's a high overhead on some relatively expensive real estate at a downtown strip club, but I'd add that even the GIA escorts tell me that out of a $120 fee for two hours $70 goes to the agency. It amazes me that the escort does all the real work and keeps less than half! And what overhead does an agency have? Their office could be a hole in the wall anywhere in Kiev with no more than a desk, a phone, pen, paper and female clerk that speaks passable English. I'd still recommend GIA, but I'm amazed at the cut they take.
Fellow mongers,
Can someone please let me know what the current Visa requirements are for an EU national visiting the Ukraine ? I know the requirement was suspended during the summer for the Eurovision song contest, but have they now been re-instated ?
Regards
Jake
Hi Jake!
There are no visa-requirements for EU citizens!
Cheers
Jake,
The visa requirement was supended from april 1st to august 31st.
But during the summer the President Yuschenko signed new decrees valid from september 1st :
Since september 1st no more visa required for EU, US, Canadian, japanese, Swiss and Lichtenstein citizens visiting Ukraine as tourists ( maximum stay : 90 days ). A valid passeport is enough.
The border police do not ask anymore for "letter of invitation" or "prepaid hotel voucher".
For those of you who have been to the clubs in Kiev, or for those who wish to visit them, just a taste of them at this site
[url]http://ura-inform.com/archive/?/2005/09/30/~/35192[/url]
[QUOTE=Uke Boy]For those of you who have been to the clubs in Kiev, or for those who wish to visit them, just a taste of them at this site
[url]http://ura-inform.com/archive/?/2005/09/30/~/35192[/url][/QUOTE]
Nice pics Uke Boy. That reminds me of another small point that might be interesting to mongers with a photographic bent. I've seen cameras of all kinds in the Arena clubs and I've seen no effort by security to discourage them. At the Arena disco I've seen a big hulking SLR camera conspicuously slung accoss the shoulder of one patron as he walked though the metal detector. I'm guessing the metal detector is only meant to identify weapons. Needless to say, cameras in clubs with strip shows would be strictly !!!VERBOTEN!!! in America. Ya gotta love Ukrainian freedom.
I will be spending only one day and one night in Kiev late this November. I know the Crimea well, but Kiev has always been a tranfer point for me. My company has made a reservation for me at "the hotel at the airport".
What is the best course of action for getting the max out of my time in Kiev? I would prefer a "line up" sort of situation. I am still quite new at this hobby and on this forum, so please help a beginner out. What do I need to do? Where do I need to go?
[QUOTE=P Bear]I will be spending only one day and one night in Kiev late this November. I know the Crimea well, but Kiev has always been a tranfer point for me. My company has made a reservation for me at "the hotel at the airport".
What is the best course of action for getting the max out of my time in Kiev? I would prefer a "line up" sort of situation. I am still quite new at this hobby and on this forum, so please help a beginner out. What do I need to do? Where do I need to go?[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure I'm the best person to answer your questions, but I'll offer what limited knowledge I have. First, Borispol airport is a goodly distance from the center of Kiev, so brace yourself for a half hour and fairly expensive taxi ride each way. I myself have not tried any incall facility since I had an apartment at a good location and found it much easier to have an escort visit me. Given your location and not knowing how your hotel will treat visitors to your room, I can't tell you if this would be a viable option. At some hotels, you may find service providers at the hotel bar. If you have an unlimited budget you could try one of the in house options at one of the strip clubs. Millenium at the Dnipro Hotel (one block from Independence Square [url]http://www.millenium-bar.kiev.ua[/url] ) may get you what you want. I haven't seen a report of anyone who's tried the high priced option, so again you're on your own.
There is one hotel located next to airport called boryspol hotel.
If I´m staying at the Boryspol hotel, I will first check if they allow female visitors at night ( some kiev hotels allow visitors without any problem, some hotels allow visitors but charge a small fee and some hotels do not allow visitors at all !).
The hotel is located in the aiport area so expect about 30 minutes drive to reach the city center. If the taxi driver is correct, the price should not exceed 100 hrivnas o.w.
I never heard about a line up in Kiev like it exists in Moscow or St. Petersbourg (I remember somebody talking about line up in Ukraine but it was in Odessa).
One night, two or three years ago, a taxi driver wanted to provide me a girl instead of driving me to the River Palace. He stoped the car on a main boulevard some where near Kreschatik and a few girls showed up but I declined the offer (two girls were cute but I´m not in to street girls for hygenic/healthy reasons). At this time the price mentionned by the taxi driver was 50 USD / hour.
Like Cyberspace wrote, there are several casinos with strip tease clubs. Strippers can be available but keep in mind that girls are free to accept or to refuse to provide extra services (than lap dances and other private strip-tease) to a guest. Girls are also free to set up their prices. It´s usually expensive (more than girls working in bars and discos ). You will probably be quoted between 300 and 500 USD for a couple of hours in your hotel.
You have two options : 1st option, you stay in your hotel room and call some escort service for a girl. 2nd option, you go to the city center and pick-up a girl in one of the bars/coctail bars/discos of Kiev. Personnally, I will use the 2nd option.
The Kiev Post,What´s on magazine,In your pocket guide... are filled with escort agencies ads but if the prices may be more interesting (from 60 USD /hour), you never now who is coming (it´s never the 10 from the advertising picture!), when the girl will show up (they always say 20-30 minutes wait but...), what services will really be provided after the money changed hands...
If you decide to go to a bar or disco you can at least see the girls, take a drink with the girls of your choice and have a little chat before deciding to take the girl or not to your hotel room. To avoid mistakes ( not all the ukrainian girls you can find in bars or discos are protitutes!) I recommend you the River Palace where you´re sure that all the girls in the disco are working. The common price is now 200 USD for a couple of hours but the final price (and time) can be negociate (some girls will accept 100 USD when some other girls can charge 250 or 300 USD!).
I'll go to Kiev and i think i'll stay at Gintama Hotel there.
Does anyone have experiences if this is a girly-friendly hotel? A tip to security wouldn't be a problem but if "visitors" are forbidden it wouldn't be so good :(
Are there any websites with "non-pro" girls from Kiev? Or do you have maybe some msn/icq contacts? :)
A report will follow after my trip and maybe some pics too (is it a problem to make pictures normaly?)
"Zdorovenko buli" to all!
Has anyone tried out the Radisson Hotel in Kiev yet? It's a little pricey for a 4-star, but it's supposed to be fairly nice.
If someone has tried it, could you let me know how girl-friendly they are, as there are rumours that security has thrown up all sort of barriers to P4P. Usually, these "barriers" are very movable and negotiatiable. Same case at the Radisson?
I can recomend the Hotel "Rus". Its only a ***hotel, but it look like a 4 star hotel, the suites are very nice. You have 24 hours room-service. I stay there in September for the price for 160$ per night. The Service is good, and the hotel is friendly to the girls. You must pay 20$ for the Security when you take a girl to your Room.
Is there any reason you're not considering an apartment instead of a hotel? As you've noted yourselves, visitors are usually a problem at hotels. Also I'm under the impression that there's not much cost advantage to hotels and many apartments come with built in kitchen and laundry facilities. A hotel will clean your room and make your bed every day and maybe they'll throw in a free in-house breakfast, but is that really a big advantage? Of course your choices make no difference personally to me, but I'd be curious as to your rationales.
You're dead right. Apartments are mightily cheaper and no security hassles. Sometimes, however, I just want to pamper myself and a girl!
I agree completely... I am a Marriott Platinum Elite and a Sheraton Gold, but when I travel in Ukraine or Russia, I would never stay in a hotel. The cost and hassle with security is just crazy. Plus, there are so many good quality apartment services in most RU/UA cities, it just doesn't make sense to me to stay in a hotel.
Security, you say? IMHO, after living in Moscow for two years and now in Odessa, most crimes against tourists occur close to tourist hotels! If you are in an apartment it is easier to blend in and become a "local". Plus, there is something nice about having your own place where you can stock the refridgerator and kick back and I think it enhances your experience of visiting the city/country.
A two (or more?) part article recently appeared on the front page of the Kyiv Post... The one that I have is headlined, "Woman tell their side of sex Tourism", dated 6 October.
I did not see the first article, which I assume is the man's side or possibly an overview with the man's side to follow.
I will post the article that I have when I get back to Odessa and have access to my scanner next week. In the meantime, if anyone either has a copy of the first article, 29 September?, OR has a subscription, $95, to the [url]www.kyivpost.com[/url] website and can download them, please post them.
The newspaper woman contacted me and I know several other members and asked for a contribution. I know most everyone told her to F-off, but it would be interesting to see what she has to say...
I'll not go privatly to Ukraine and from company side, a hotel is required.
If I have to give 10-20 euro tip to a security, it's not the bigest problem, but if it's not possible anyhow, then it wouldn't be nice ;)
Appearing nightly at RP all this week Mystery Tramp, see photo gallery courtesy of IT Travel and Dr Skank. If you are in Kiev this week she is highly recommended
[QUOTE=Member #1604]Could you guys please some safe and clean hotels but with reasonable prices? highly appreciate![/QUOTE]The big hotel chains didn't reach Ukraine until now. There is one Radisson as i know now but they only bought some local hotel.
Until you don't have a few 4-5 star hotels, the current hotels could take what they want. The only real good hotel there is "Premiere Palace Hotel" and there you have to pay $500 USD per night.
Hotel Dnipro you could forget. The small standard room is to small for one person, so not realy usefull if you'd like to have a "visitor".
The best solution (but maybe not so safe) is an apartment. It costs half of the hotel prices.
If you are looking for an apartment service in Kiev I can recommend [url]www.kievlet.com[/url] . The service is run by a nice English fellow Garry. We were very happy with ours for a 125 $ for a two bedroom apartment.
Other friends were using [url]www.uaapartments.com[/url] and said that their rooms were very dirty and they would not use this service ever again.
I visited Queen Bee sauna in Kyiv a few weeks back. It was my first time at any sauna-type establishment, and if anyone can tell me more about what to expect at other saunas in Kyiv, I'd be very grateful.
Directions to Queen Bee (Malynovskogo str. 5) - a taxi from the centre will cost perhaps $4-5 (maybe less if you are better at haggling than me). Despite being on a main road near a metro stop, I failed to find it on my visit using public transport, mainly because I didn't know which direction I was going in on leaving the metro, but if you insist, then when you come out of Obolon metro, if you are facing the biggish shopping centre, you follow the road to the right, past the big apartment blocks. It's on the right hand side about 5 minutes later.
The building includes a restaurant, strip club and 'sauna' (nice big room with jacuzzi, massage table, showers, a couple of bedrooms off it but not, to my memory, an actual sauna, though I could be wrong). I had a good feel about the staff there but they barely speak a word of English - still, if you follow my instructions, you should be OK if you don't speak Russian. First, you book the sauna room, giving yourself some time to go to the strip club and choose a girl (give yourself at least 30 mins). An hour in the sauna costs 160 Hr ($30). If you don't book, there's a risk it'll be busy by the time you arrive with a girl, though I don't know if that's likely. Then, go to the strip club. 50 Hr entry, drinks I think about $5 each. When I was there, there were 9 dancers, who come on 1 after the other. If you see one you like, you indicate this to the woman in charge. The girls charge $65 to spend an hour with you in the sauna, which you pay in advance. Then, back you go with her to the sauna to enjoy yourself.
I had a good time here. I enjoyed the mood of the place and my time with the girl. (It was very relaxed - I was there at 9.30pm on a Saturday night, the strip club only starts at 9, and there was one other man in the strip club). But I have no similar experience to compare it to. So now, my questions - there are a good number of saunas listed in the local guides. What should I expect? Are there girls available at most or all of them? Are they usually good-looking? How about just for erotic massage? Can one bring a girl from somewhere else and just book the room? What facilities are usual? Any more general information and advice would be most appreciated. Thank you!
The first hotel chain entering the Ukrainian market is Radisson SAS with the Radisson SAS Kiev (a 4 stars hotel) in 2005.
But other international hotel chains are keeping an eye on Kiev and will probably open soon in Ukraine (I read that Marriott and Starwood have projects in Ukraine).
The only 5 stars hotel in Kiev is the expensive Premiere Palace (minimum 400 USD for a so called "economy room"). No problem to bring girls to your room.
The Dnipro hotel (4 stars) has two rooms categories : standard and superior. Standard rooms are really small but the superior rooms are bigger and nicer. No problem to bring girls to your room.
Another option is the Lybid hotel. It´s only a 3 stars hotel but offering renovated rooms at reasonable prices. No problem to bring girls to your room.
Other hotels are expensive for what you get (Rus, President, Khreschatik, Ukraina...).
Hi,
I used Hotelk RUS and it was ok and very save in my point of view.
Anybody can recomand an good Appertment in Kiev?
Just came back from my first trip to Kiev. I was scheduled to arrive in Kiev at 2 pm for a business meeting followed by a business dinner so I expected to arrive at the hotel around 9. Before leaving for Kiev I had booked Tina from GIA from 11 for 3 hours, simply not to waste spare time for evening fun.
Unfortunately my plane arrived 3 hours late delaying the whole schedule and only short before 11 I found myself at the hotel. Without further delay I called GIA to give Tina my room number, but the operator informed me that I called too late and the only available girl was Mila. From the web site I recalled Mila as one of the least attractive so I kindly rejected and asked for just anyone else. The answer was “No, nobody except Mila is working at this late hour”. I said I would try alternative agencies, which didn’t change her attitude so I hang up. – 5 minutes later I called again and accepted Mila. “She will be there in 1 hour time; we will call you when you can meet her on the street in front of the hotel”.
30 minutes GIA called, I picked up Mila and escorted her through the hotel security and into my room. Firstly I had her confirm the price which she did accordingly to the price list; first hour 100$, second hour 20$ and OWO 10$, a total of 130 for two hours including OWO. I asked for a potentially third hour but she refused, she was tired she said.
And she looked tired to, and the first she asked for was coffee which I provided for. For the next 15 minutes I was really in doubt about if I should keep her or ask her to go. She is kind of pretty but also very skinny and as she behaved strangely I took her for a drug addict. Suddenly she asked if she could use the shower. Of course she could and I took a shower myself.
When I came from the bathroom she was laying on the bead watching TV still wrapped in the towel. I vent to her and lay next to her. Right away she turned to me, dropped her towel and started kissing me in the most passionately way. I went hot all over… She worked her way down making sure that I still could see her gorgeous body. She gave me the most fantastic BBBJ, and it came as a big surprise to me when she did CIM.
After that she changed completely, we kissed and talked and she gave a very good GFE. She allowed me to do what ever I wanted, and she seemed to enjoy it to. When we reached the end of the two hour I asked her again to stay one more hour. I knew the list price for the third hour is 30$ so I offered her 50$ and even 100$, but she sustained that she was tied and had to go home.
Next morning I had another business meeting, but I could not stop thinking of the previous night and what may happen when I return to Kiev hopefully during the spring.
Well I am back in the middle of NOWHERE from Kiev and thought I should share a little. Thanks to all who post here my 3rd trip was my best yet!
After spending 26.5 hours on planes and in airports I finally arrive in Kiev. Customs and passport control in now much easier than the past and I breezed right thru. I was suspose to be met by someone fron gotorussia to take me to my apartment but had a little trouble finding someone with my sign. Note at the slightest sign of confusion the taxi vultures will descend like a pack of rabbid dogs!!! Damm am I glad I find my ride!
Off to the apartment we go. It is nice with a great location 150feet off Independence Square...Perfect. I get the keys shower and crash for 3 hours then it is time for what I am here for!
I have written Marina a hot 20 year old with black hair. Not sure which site I found her on but I had her lined up for 3 hours $150 and she speaks English. She arrives in less than and hour and looks much better than her pics. She showers and the fun begins! Let me pause here while I remember....... OK on to the action. If you like owo and amazing deep throat action then WOW this is the best I have found in Kiev! After round one I am giving her a little pleasure when I pin her knees by her shoulders and she litterally squeels OHHHH You Fuck My ASS! Now I am always thoughtful to my partners need so what could I do but help the sweet thing out! This girl really gets off on it and guess what so do I!
After 3 full hours she leaves and I am ready for some serious sleep and very relaxed because tomorrow is River Palace!
I have Marina's phone number and will share if you like. She has a roommate and is very bi so a 3 some is very possible. BTW she likes it just a little rough and wants her ass squeezed a lot. She is 5ft 7 and 108lbs very thin. PM me for the number and remember YMMV!
Has anyone had any experience with NEXT escorts? I have been trying to get in touch with them but they have not responded back to me yet.
Thanks.
KN1
Hey folks!
I think about a month ago someone posted the website of Inga! When I was in Kiev last weekend I decided to meet with her.
I gave her a call on her mobile phone on Saturday and she picked up immediately. We agreed to meet at her apartment at 20:00 in the evening. On the phone we agreed for two hours with the full package. On her website is posted that it would cost $250, but she only asked $200 on the phone. I said ok, let’s do it!
A minute later she send a sms with her address to my UMC-number.
In the evening I arrived at her apartment. I was there at about 18:40. She opened the door and she was wearing a bathrobe and under it some beautiful lingerie with stockings and high heels. Exactly what I asked for on the phone earlier. I was already happy. :-) She gave me some slippers to walk in her apartment and we went to the kitchen and talked a little bit about our life’s and drunk some tea. She showed me some nice pictures of her work which she did before. She did not changed much! The different pictures where between two and five years old. In that time she worked as a porn star to make movies and she did some naked modeling and photo shooting.
I think she is now between 24 and 26 years old, but I forgot to ask her. :-)
After a while she showed me her bathroom and asked if I wanted to take a shower. I said yes, why not and I went under it. While I was washing myself she was also in the bathroom and took off her rope! She started doing some kind of erotic dance and she took of her bra. Wow, her tits look hard! She start playing with it and she saw that my little friend got on temperature. After shower I dried myself and she helped me with it :-). Then she went to the bedroom and said down on her knees on the bed. She wanted me to stand in front of her, and she started touching me and licking my balls. A few moments later she was giving me a hell of a blowjob. I was holding her head and was making the right movements. :-) Further I massaged her great looking tits. Unfortunately they where a little bit hard though! While doing it I saw a huge box lying on the ground, with al lot of toy’s in it. I asked her if we are going to do something with it. She stopped doing her job for sec and only said. “It took me an hour to clean them all, so what do you think”.
She pulled me on the bed and grapped into the box. She took out a nice vibrator. She told me that it was her favorite one. We went into 69 and she continues where she stopped. I start licking her and was using the vibrator of course. While she was doing her thing she massaged my balls with one hand and with the other she put a finger in my ass. I could not hold much longer and I came already. We took some rest and smoked a cigarette. She gave me gum afterwards and she took one herself. She started kissing me over my body and my little friend was there again. She start licking my friend and my balls again and after a while she took a condom from under the pillow and put it on with her mouth. Then she sit down on me and started riding like crazy. I was holding her breasts while she was in action. She went like crazy and after a while she a great orgasm. “I want to have fun too” she said. She went off me and went on her knees. “F..k me from behind” she said. I had no choice :-))) While I was busy she turned her head towards me and told me to use the vibrator too. I put some gliding gel on it and I pushed it against her ass. It went in very easy. Then I turned on the vibrations and that was really a great feeling while I was taking her from behind. After a while we turned things around and I was in her ass while she was pushing the vibrator in her pussy. I really felt like I was in porn movie. It was very tight there and after a few minutes I came again.
We went to the bathroom and took both a shower. We go to the bed again and she came with some tea. We talked again a little bit and she wanted to give me a massage. Of course I agreed and she sit down on my back. About fifteen minutes later she said “You like try new things” I remember that I read on her website that many things are possible, so I agreed. Why not. :-) She went of the bed and searched her box. She took out a strapon dildo!!! I think that she saw my eyes because directly she said that I should not worry and that it is a great feeling. She also took a bottle with a some special gliding cream and put some on her hands. I wanted me on my back with my legs spread. She started massaging my balls and my ass and before I even knew it two fingers where in my ass. With her other hand she was giving me a hand-job. Then she wanted me to turn around and we did it. Wow, a totally new experience for me! F….d by a woman :-)) I always though it had something to do with relationship or marriage, but it exists also in sex :-))))) My friends was getting so hard that I wanted to take her again. She went of me and put on a condom very quickly. She laid down on her side and I took her from behind again in both holes. We did it long time because it took me long to get to the right point! She asked me if I wanted to come in her mouth or on her breasts. Ok, I think, That’s a nice finish too. I kept on f….g her for a while and when I was almost there I took my friend out, took off the condom and shoot my load in her mouth, face and over her breasts. Now we both were exhausted and we lied down on the bed for while. After that we took a shower and I got dressed. It was almost 22:00.
We drunk another tea in the kitchen and I asked her what I have to pay. She said that we agreed $200, so $200 it is! I paid her and asked her if I could wait for the taxi. She asked me where I wanted to go and I told her that I go to my apartment and then I want to go to 112 or Arena. She wanted to go out too and she asked me if I wanted to share the taxi. No problem of course. She got dressed nicely and got her make up done and at about 23:00 we left her apartment. I dropped her off at Friday’s where a girl-friend of her was waiting. She gave me a last kiss using also her tongue and off she go. That evening I did not see her anymore in 112 or in Arena.
Overall, one of my best sex experiences ever! A very good blowjob without a condom. Great pussy, tight ass, and nice looking tits. The only minus was that they where so hard!
I paid now $200 for a total time of almost 4,5 hours and active time about 3 hours. I think for Kiev it is a very good price for girl who really does everything if you want it of course.
I will go back to Kiev in two weeks and I promised her already to give her a call when I’m there!
I also just see the report of JUST DO IT. I also had an experience with Marina in the past. She is really into rough games and does a very good deep throat with gagging. As I remember she likes when you hold her hair tight and bang her head on your little friend. It feels and looks great :-)) She is indeed very thin though. Her friends name is Karin. She’s nice too but not so good looking. But also in for everything.
I hope my English is understandable for everyone.
Cheers
[QUOTE=Komah Nomad1]Has anyone had any experience with NEXT escorts? I have been trying to get in touch with them but they have not responded back to me yet.
Thanks.
KN1[/QUOTE]Hey Komah Nomad1,
Where did you find this Next Escorts? Do you have a website?
Cheers
[QUOTE=Ismael]Hey Komah Nomad1,
Where did you find this Next Escorts? Do you have a website?
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Thanks for the website! It looks like scam though, because almost all chicks on that site are beautiful!
Did you have contact to them already, Komah Nomad1?
Cheers
After a few months away, I managed to wangle a business trip to Kiev for a few days in early September. I arrived fairly late Wednesday and being both tired and still on call with work in LA, I decided I’d just hit River Palace – at least when I’d finished work I’d be in the easiest place to pick and choose.
Got there around 10.30, which I assumed would leave me sitting alone for a while there, but was pleasantly surprised to find the downstairs bar quite busy. Wednesday is free entry for girls before 11pm (Tuesday is free entry all night) and it clearly brings more girls than usual a little earlier. I had decided not to get too involved with any girls until I had finished work which, in retrospect, was a stupid move. The girls there early where amongst the nicest I saw all evening – I think the free entry attracted some of the less regular girls and they all seemed happier and less jaded than most of the girls who turned up later. The one girl I really liked got picked and occupied by some English guy fairly early and he never let her out of her site (on the down side, when they left around 3am she was so plastered she could hardly walk, which didn’t bode well for a fun packed end to the evening). The lesson learnt was when you see something you like, move quickly.
I hadn’t been to RP for a while and a few things seemed to have changed. Firstly the quality and volume of girls was far better than on previous visits – possibly due to Moda being shut and possibly as it was summer. That said the attitude of the girls was grim. So many of them just sitting around looking miserable – this isn’t uncommon, but usually the girls perk up when they get approached by guys but most of them seemed to look glum throughout – there was nothing in the demeanour of most of the girls that made me want to even approach any of them. The pricing of $200 (I also heard quotes of $300 and $500!) seems pretty standard and given that the M/F ratio was 1:1 there wasn’t much need or willingness to negotiate. Personally I don’t have a problem with prices going up – the writing has been on the cards for some time. There are plenty of other options in Kiev and you don’t have to pay so it still is a buyer’s market. What does amaze me is that there seems to be a mixture of increased prices, worsening attitude and shorter time - I just can’t see any logic for paying so much for so little. If $200 is getting you 4-5 hours of a good time it is still good value but why would anyone pay that much for an hour with someone with a bad attitude is beyond me. Whilst I was there I saw at least 3 girls leave with 2 different guys and return to the club within 2 hours and when I left all three were back looking for their third pick-up of the night – each guy could not have had the girl back at their place for more than an hour. If anyone out there is a regular at RP and can tell me this isn’t typical I would be happy to be corrected, but the whole set-up seemed particularly poor vfm given everything else Kiev has to offer.
With this said, there is still the occasional diamond. At 3.30am I got chatting to Angela (around 5 8, slightly squinty eyes, likes to dance, long mousy blonde hair). I think she is quite a regular but isn’t part of the girl mafia there. I got lucky that two plastered locals were getting quite grabby and, in this light, I became infinitely more attractive and we settled on $140. She had a killer body and was happy to stay for around 3 hours, which suited all parties – great girl and recommended if you run into her.
The rest of the trip was spent with dates – picking up numbers during my lunch break and early evening on Thursday proved fairly simple as the weather was good and the girls seemed as approachable as ever. Just a quick mention to the three clubs visited. Shooters on a Thursday was excellent. Lots of good-looking girls who were easily approachable (although I always find that girls are easier to talk to in Kiev when I am with a date). Not packed with other ex-pats, limited but understated P4P girls, decent music and cheap drinks. I’ve been a fan for a while and remain so.
Friday was Orangeria, which doesn’t seem to get many mentions on the board. Orangeria is the third club in the Arena complex and based on the night I went might be the best. A lot cheaper than Arena, a lot less pretentious, great looking girls (breathtaking!), good music, fantastic atmosphere – as a club for a date it worked the oracle. There was some mention of face control there but, if it exists, it isn’t obvious. Don’t know what it’s like in the week, but can’t recommend it enough on a Friday.
Saturday was 112. For other simpletons like me I’ll give directions, as I managed to miss it all together on my first look – as you come through the main Arena entrance it is on the far right hand corner and down a flight of concrete stairs. Again, this was a great night and I think I’d start here on a Saturday for the next trip as I think I could have got enough numbers to fill up a longish trip on the one evening. Ratio of m/f was something like 30/70 – I wasn’t really looking for P4P, but if it was there it wasn’t as obvious as 111. Lots of groups of girls whose main aim was to drink, dance and have a good time. No real chill out area, but a good full on club evening. As usual I left wanted to attack the MC but, as throughout EE, the locals seem to like this type of crap.
I was a bit dubious about this visit in general (first trip since visa attractions were lifted), but all in nothing seems to have changed – there are more tourists, a few more rip-offs and prices right in the centre have increased but everything else seemed much as before – beautiful women abound and remain approachable and the whole place remains as corrupt and fucked up as ever. Can’t wait to go back in winter.
As a regular at the River Palace when I'm in Kiev I can tell you that the asking price of $200 for one hour is pretty much the norm these days. You can get it down to $100 if it's later on in the night and the girl feels she might go home empty handed if she doesn't accept your offer, but if you are there at 11.00 pm she knows that she'll almost certainly find someone who'll pay more. As for girls working 2 or 3 times a night from RP there are a few hardcore but most of the girls seem happy to work just the one time. In fact a couple of girls I met at RP told me that when they get an all-nighter $300 - $500 they usually take a few days off afterwards, but these girls were without children or family members to take care of. Another thing they told me was that the reason they like to work out of the RP is that the club has a zero tolerance policy towards pimps. At even the slightest hint of some guy or woman trying to control any girls the security put them out, and suprisingly enough the girls do not have to tip any one at the RP in order to keep working out of there. This was confirmed to me by one of the English guys who runs the place, he told me that they except the working girls as a significant contribubution to the success of the nightclub, but they in no way control these girls, there is a kind of understanding between both sides that if the girls behave correctly and don't steal from the customers no one at the club will bother them, in fact if a guy gets drunk and starts to hassle the girls security will step in to help. The girls also realise that although they can go in the Nightclub or Sports Bar the Casino is off limits unless they are invited by a genuine customer.
Agencys such as Gia are probably still the best option if you don't want to spend as much as $200 for 1 hour, but if you can speak a little Russian then the very best option of all is still to cruise those cafes and bars along Kreshatik between 5 - 7 evening time.Here you can find them all, p4p's, adventurous students, and some of the most beautiful girls this side of a catwalk. Kiev has changed a little but the one thing that remains constant is the endless supply of drop dead gorgeous women Enjoy !
[QUOTE=Snowy]After a few months away, I managed to wangle a business trip to Kiev for a few days in early September. I arrived fairly late Wednesday and being both tired and still on call with work in LA, I decided I’d just hit River Palace – at least when I’d finished work I’d be in the easiest place to pick and choose.
Got there around 10.30, which I assumed would leave me sitting alone for a while there, but was pleasantly surprised to find the downstairs bar quite busy. Wednesday is free entry for girls before 11pm (Tuesday is free entry all night) and it clearly brings more girls than usual a little earlier. I had decided not to get too involved with any girls until I had finished work which, in retrospect, was a stupid move. The girls there early where amongst the nicest I saw all evening – I think the free entry attracted some of the less regular girls and they all seemed happier and less jaded than most of the girls who turned up later. The one girl I really liked got picked and occupied by some English guy fairly early and he never let her out of her site (on the down side, when they left around 3am she was so plastered she could hardly walk, which didn’t bode well for a fun packed end to the evening). The lesson learnt was when you see something you like, move quickly.
I hadn’t been to RP for a while and a few things seemed to have changed. Firstly the quality and volume of girls was far better than on previous visits – possibly due to Moda being shut and possibly as it was summer. That said the attitude of the girls was grim. So many of them just sitting around looking miserable – this isn’t uncommon, but usually the girls perk up when they get approached by guys but most of them seemed to look glum throughout – there was nothing in the demeanour of most of the girls that made me want to even approach any of them. The pricing of $200 (I also heard quotes of $300 and $500!) seems pretty standard and given that the M/F ratio was 1:1 there wasn’t much need or willingness to negotiate. Personally I don’t have a problem with prices going up – the writing has been on the cards for some time. There are plenty of other options in Kiev and you don’t have to pay so it still is a buyer’s market. What does amaze me is that there seems to be a mixture of increased prices, worsening attitude and shorter time - I just can’t see any logic for paying so much for so little. If $200 is getting you 4-5 hours of a good time it is still good value but why would anyone pay that much for an hour with someone with a bad attitude is beyond me. Whilst I was there I saw at least 3 girls leave with 2 different guys and return to the club within 2 hours and when I left all three were back looking for their third pick-up of the night – each guy could not have had the girl back at their place for more than an hour. If anyone out there is a regular at RP and can tell me this isn’t typical I would be happy to be corrected, but the whole set-up seemed particularly poor vfm given everything else Kiev has to offer.
With this said, there is still the occasional diamond. At 3.30am I got chatting to Angela (around 5 8, slightly squinty eyes, likes to dance, long mousy blonde hair). I think she is quite a regular but isn’t part of the girl mafia there. I got lucky that two plastered locals were getting quite grabby and, in this light, I became infinitely more attractive and we settled on $140. She had a killer body and was happy to stay for around 3 hours, which suited all parties – great girl and recommended if you run into her.
The rest of the trip was spent with dates – picking up numbers during my lunch break and early evening on Thursday proved fairly simple as the weather was good and the girls seemed as approachable as ever. Just a quick mention to the three clubs visited. Shooters on a Thursday was excellent. Lots of good-looking girls who were easily approachable (although I always find that girls are easier to talk to in Kiev when I am with a date). Not packed with other ex-pats, limited but understated P4P girls, decent music and cheap drinks. I’ve been a fan for a while and remain so.
Friday was Orangeria, which doesn’t seem to get many mentions on the board. Orangeria is the third club in the Arena complex and based on the night I went might be the best. A lot cheaper than Arena, a lot less pretentious, great looking girls (breathtaking!), good music, fantastic atmosphere – as a club for a date it worked the oracle. There was some mention of face control there but, if it exists, it isn’t obvious. Don’t know what it’s like in the week, but can’t recommend it enough on a Friday.
Saturday was 112. For other simpletons like me I’ll give directions, as I managed to miss it all together on my first look – as you come through the main Arena entrance it is on the far right hand corner and down a flight of concrete stairs. Again, this was a great night and I think I’d start here on a Saturday for the next trip as I think I could have got enough numbers to fill up a longish trip on the one evening. Ratio of m/f was something like 30/70 – I wasn’t really looking for P4P, but if it was there it wasn’t as obvious as 111. Lots of groups of girls whose main aim was to drink, dance and have a good time. No real chill out area, but a good full on club evening. As usual I left wanted to attack the MC but, as throughout EE, the locals seem to like this type of crap.
I was a bit dubious about this visit in general (first trip since visa attractions were lifted), but all in nothing seems to have changed – there are more tourists, a few more rip-offs and prices right in the centre have increased but everything else seemed much as before – beautiful women abound and remain approachable and the whole place remains as corrupt and fucked up as ever. Can’t wait to go back in winter.[/QUOTE]
Great report Snowy.
In my two trips to Kiev I've been to River Palace 2x4 times. When I went in Feb of last year each trip to RP was great and got better, until the last time I was involved in a mind blowing threesome. When I went in May my experience was mixed by my standards, the only thing that saved me from writing it off was another mindblowing threesome I had on my last visit of that trip. I think a lot had to do with Eurovision and peak tourist season. There seemed to be very few true non pro's there during my visit in May. I'm going to be in Kiev for two months this winter so I'm looking forward to putting my theory to the test. I'd never pay more then $150 for a girl from RP or anywhere else in Kiev for that matter. Put it in perspective $200-300/month is a well paying job in Kiev.
My next trip to Kiev I want to meet PSE Inga, Dr S and Uke Boy. And remember Dr S. and Uke, my limit is $150...;)
[QUOTE=Snowy]After a few months away, I managed to wangle a business trip to Kiev for a few days in early September. I arrived fairly late Wednesday and being both tired and still on call with work in LA, I decided I’d just hit River Palace – at least when I’d finished work I’d be in the easiest place to pick and choose.
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I was a bit dubious about this visit in general (first trip since visa attractions were lifted), but all in nothing seems to have changed – there are more tourists, a few more rip-offs and prices right in the centre have increased but everything else seemed much as before – beautiful women abound and remain approachable and the whole place remains as corrupt and fucked up as ever. Can’t wait to go back in winter.[/QUOTE]
Snowy's report great as always.
Cr_D,
I'll be in Kiev Nov 4-6 and may try the pro game, only problem being is that its a Friday and Saturday night, meaning pro action will be expensive and hopefully not even necessary...
$150 is a lot in my book... purely by principal. Admittedly $150 isnt much money anymore considering the price of everything these days. My reasoning for not paying more is purely sentimental and irrational. The standard seems to be up to $150+... the girls are moving the chains. Moscow's the same. Times are changing.
Guess we'll just have to make more money... :)
Doctor_Skank, just get an escort and you will pay around 50 dollars or perhaps 60 dollars nowadays.
You can still ask the girl to come back again without coming from the agency...
Yes that's right. The problem with escort is that you never know, who will come.....but that's the surprise, and sometimes the surprise is bad and sometimes really good.....and in Kiev, it's quite easy to have quite often a good surprise....
I couldn't agree more about the limit - anything above $150 in EE is absolutely out the question. Apart from the sentimental element, I think it relates back to the series of posts from yourself, CaT and BBAJ on the Moscow board - it's all about retaining an element of control in negotiations and in relationships with EE girls. As soon as the girls think that they can set the price/agenda and get away with anything, the whole experience is doomed - she knows she's in charge and you're fucked, and not in a good way. This may mean you miss out on someone who you think looks great, but I have reservations that the experience would ever be that good once a P4P girl knows she has all the power. World wide in P4P there is no relationship between price and quality of experience.
My simple rule for somewhere like RP is that I'm always prepared to go home alone. As soon as you decide you must go home with someone at all costs, you're in trouble. Apply this rule to any similar club anywhere in EE - if you must get laid, ordering in an escort will always be cheaper and probably more enjoyable.
If Kiev is becoming "ruined" - and personally I think it's just the strict P4P which is going down hill - it's not the higher rates but the number of guys who turn up prepared to pay whatever without thinking. Even on the board the number of posts of "where can I find girl X from a post 2 years ago", "give me contacts" etc. seems to have increased. The whole fun of Kiev is the range of opportunities - if you've no sense of adventure and just want everything on a plate, you're missing out on all the fun.
Viva la candyland! mini-rant over.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Snowy's report great as always.
$150 is a lot in my book... purely by principal. Admittedly $150 isnt much money anymore considering the price of everything these days. My reasoning for not paying more is purely sentimental and irrational. The standard seems to be up to $150+... the girls are moving the chains. Moscow's the same. Times are changing.
Guess we'll just have to make more money... :)[/QUOTE]
You guys all right of course, escorts are the cheapest option.
Normally however I like to keep my nights open for either prowling (trawling) for freebie options or going to a place like RP to make a selection. I love the hunt, even if the hunt is in a wildlife preserve like RP...
...but no, I dont like paying over $150 to do it. So I forego on that option.
I think escorts are a great late afternoon option, its usually "down time" anyway...
"My simple rule for somewhere like RP is that I'm always prepared to go home alone" ... thats excellent advice Snowy... I live by it. And usually do go home alone.
For many guys though it isnt an option or a concern and they are happy to drop $300 at RP, Arena or whereever. Same story in most big easily-accessible EE cities.
Dear Uke boy and Ismael,
Next week I am going to meet the wonderful pornstar Inga you already met. Be so kind to let me know if there are some pics of her in the internet when she was working with the name of Yana like you told in your report. About the performance she provide bbbj of course? I am hopeful she will allow me to stay long time with her like you spent in order to enjoy similar experience and then post in this website. Enjoy folks.
P.S. I am afraid to not understand by phone the exact addresse of her, could you help me so that then I will reach her by taxi, thanks a lot.
Just a few thoughts about the River Palace scene!
I arrived in Kiev Thursday and as soon I got to my room I ordered a takeout from kiev post, phoned a couple of agencys vicesisters 50$ 1 hour but opted for one at 80$, which was pretty uninspiring. This was probally due to fact that I was her sixth customer of the day! so I decide to go river palace to relieve my tensions! arrive 2400 and the place is busy. Ratio 2-3 to 1 in our favour. Now secret number1 is to stay away from the girls that dance all night (the girls call it the dance bazaar)for obvious reasons. By the time you get them to your appartment or hotel they are completly fucked and want to sleep after an hour in the sack. When reviewing your options try to look for girls that sit with one friend or on their own. They have little conversaton with the gangs of girls that hang arround the bars or that come of the dance floor, they may look a little uncomfortable with what is going on, they don't give you eye contact (River Palace stare) these girls are probally semi pro or ordinary kiev girls trying to make a few $$ you will get more bang and quality for your money here! (there was some old dogs there both Thursday and Friday night, anybody there)about 0200 the dancing gets a bit more energetic as some of the men start leaving and the mood changes the stares become longer and more inviting as the girls realise that some of them wont get a $donor tonight! and then I saw natalia 24 in red dress, face like an aristocrat, just sitting staring impassively at the dance floor spent the next 30minutes trying to get eye contact amongst other men there doing same but she was not playing! 0245 I make my move! you speak english! yes, how much hotel, 200$, what do I get for my 200$, what you want, anal, cim, kissing, oral without, and you will stay till 0700 in the morning, I don't like anal but I can do, deal done! I have a policy 200$ is my limit! if I am getting all that I want! why spoil it trying to save few$ catch the metro to river palace, 1hrvna this will save you 10$ and and order the special in the sports bar! got to the hotel and into the room and she fucked like a demon! she gives head like dyson(cyclonic vacuum cleaner)kissing tongues cim all of which was delivered and the moment of truth anal! I said turnover, she looked at me like a lamb in front of a butcher! she was tense and clenching but I stroked the side of her face and said relax and I was in! she said she didnot like it she was lied! she was loving it and thrusting on me, we had anal for at least 30minutes, I have been with larissa at gia she was good but not on in the same division as this chick! had her again last night and was completely happy. Reading the board I have noticed that there is some concern about prices and girls servicing multiple men! on the first point I left empty handed at0500 refusing 250$ for 3 hours, she offered 3some with her friend for300$ but I said I would think about it made my way to the exit and the taxi! 2nd I watched closely on Friday night and there are at least dozen girls having multiple partners through the night, mainly they are the regular girls(every night of the week)liza23 tall big breasts, olga22 short bleached blonde hair dances in front the mirrors, my personal opinion is that girls like these cannot be clean, probally would be more at home down the train station! and only damage river palace! stay away from them/my contribution to the data base. In Kiev in December anyone fancy hunting? is there a club 15km outside kiev simalar to river palace. Polish man told me about it, says it is better, more girls, cheaper! any thoughts?
[QUOTE=Volpone]I don't really agree with what you wrote about escort in Kiev or perhaps that has changed as I wasn't at Kiev this year.
I had many escorts in Kiev and many students girls work in escort. Students at the university don't have to go all day long to the uni. They sometimes have only 18-20 hours a week. So they can have lots of free time to do something else.
Some are really beautiful and I got some 9.
That's right, that you often get a normal girl, in the average. It's sometimes to have sex with a 6-7 than a 9. If the 9 do nearly nothing, no bbbj for ex., etc.....
I've been to River Palace or Moda Bar, but it's also hard to find many 9 there. And if you see one 9, you have to move very quickly before somebody else with catch her up......[/QUOTE]
That Kiev escorts are mostly students seems to ring true from my limited experience. But I'm curious Volpone why you posted this report in the Photo section without a photo? Don't you think this is more appropriate for discussion under the Kiev thread?
You are right Cyberspace. I should have written that in Kiev section.
The reason is that I answered to another member, so I answered at the same place, where he wrote down his observations.
About the foto, I unfortunately couldn't load it, because it is too big, I think that's the reason.
Leaving this morning, but last night checked the cash and there was enough for one more. Rang gia and she told me larrisa, mila, veronica available. I remembered seeing report in this section saying mila was ok. Rang through and booked her gia said 40-60=minutes, 5 minutes later phone rings saying security wont let her in because it is late! thet didnt say that when I bringing in at 0300 from the rp. Offered to send mila in a taxi and take me to to gia appartment! I gladly accepted just to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] the security off and show them they that I was boss! oral with out, full service, she very soft gentle and enjoyed the 2 hour session and at 130$ and 50hrvna taxi fare very good value. I had very good looking 18years girl from kievbeauties, she on the web site. I paid 150$ for 2 hours which is considerably less than what she is advertised at! , absolutly stunning but no sexual technique and hole like the chanel tunnel! looking forward to my next trip!
The Polish man may have been referring to Restown which is around 10 - 15km from the centre. It's in a very well decorated large house comprising of several floors offering various activities including bowling, pole dancing, bars, sauna etc. Most of the girls who are dancing will offer to take you to a private room within the building for sex at a price of, I believe $50. However on the two occasions I was there I didn't avail myself of their services, there was something about the fact that because everything took place under one roof it gave me the impression of being a nicely decorated meat market. This of course is only my opinion and you may well find it to be a great scene there. It certainly seems popular, on both occasions I visited they were doing good business. With regards to the fee of $50 I stand to be corrected, maybe some members have tried it out and can advise.
[QUOTE=Bandit7]Just a few thoughts about the River Palace scene!
I arrived in Kiev Thursday and as soon I got to my room I ordered a takeout from kiev post, phoned a couple of agencys vicesisters 50$ 1 hour but opted for one at 80$, which was pretty uninspiring. This was probally due to fact that I was her sixth customer of the day! so I decide to go river palace to relieve my tensions! arrive 2400 and the place is busy. Ratio 2-3 to 1 in our favour. Now secret number1 is to stay away from the girls that dance all night (the girls call it the dance bazaar)for obvious reasons. By the time you get them to your appartment or hotel they are completly fucked and want to sleep after an hour in the sack. When reviewing your options try to look for girls that sit with one friend or on their own. They have little conversaton with the gangs of girls that hang arround the bars or that come of the dance floor, they may look a little uncomfortable with what is going on, they don't give you eye contact (River Palace stare) these girls are probally semi pro or ordinary kiev girls trying to make a few $$ you will get more bang and quality for your money here! (there was some old dogs there both Thursday and Friday night, anybody there)about 0200 the dancing gets a bit more energetic as some of the men start leaving and the mood changes the stares become longer and more inviting as the girls realise that some of them wont get a $donor tonight! and then I saw natalia 24 in red dress, face like an aristocrat, just sitting staring impassively at the dance floor spent the next 30minutes trying to get eye contact amongst other men there doing same but she was not playing! 0245 I make my move! you speak english! yes, how much hotel, 200$, what do I get for my 200$, what you want, anal, cim, kissing, oral without, and you will stay till 0700 in the morning, I don't like anal but I can do, deal done! I have a policy 200$ is my limit! if I am getting all that I want! why spoil it trying to save few$ catch the metro to river palace, 1hrvna this will save you 10$ and and order the special in the sports bar! got to the hotel and into the room and she fucked like a demon! she gives head like dyson(cyclonic vacuum cleaner)kissing tongues cim all of which was delivered and the moment of truth anal! I said turnover, she looked at me like a lamb in front of a butcher! she was tense and clenching but I stroked the side of her face and said relax and I was in! she said she didnot like it she was lied! she was loving it and thrusting on me, we had anal for at least 30minutes, I have been with larissa at gia she was good but not on in the same division as this chick! had her again last night and was completely happy. Reading the board I have noticed that there is some concern about prices and girls servicing multiple men! on the first point I left empty handed at0500 refusing 250$ for 3 hours, she offered 3some with her friend for300$ but I said I would think about it made my way to the exit and the taxi! 2nd I watched closely on Friday night and there are at least dozen girls having multiple partners through the night, mainly they are the regular girls(every night of the week)liza23 tall big breasts, olga22 short bleached blonde hair dances in front the mirrors, my personal opinion is that girls like these cannot be clean, probally would be more at home down the train station! and only damage river palace! stay away from them/my contribution to the data base. In Kiev in December anyone fancy hunting? is there a club 15km outside kiev simalar to river palace. Polish man told me about it, says it is better, more girls, cheaper! any thoughts?[/QUOTE]
I had to go to Kiev again for my work so here is my contribution to my long weekend trip again :-)
I had the evening flight from Düsseldorf (Germany) on Friday night to Kiev. Arrived at Borispol at 23:55. After being to Kiev 67 times (I counted the stamps in my passport :-)) it took me exactly 13 minutes to get out of the plane, bus ride, visa-check, and customs to get to my driver who was already waiting for me. During the ride I called Marina (+380 66 346 50 30),(see also other reports). I wrote her sms before to tell her that I was coming to Kiev. I told her to come to my apartment at 01:00 and bring some toys. I love to play with toys :-)
As Ukrainian woman always arrive late she arrived at 01:15. Directly she started kissing and started undressing me. We took a shower together where she gave me a Deep throat blowjob. She is really professional at it, wow. IN the meanwhile I was washing my hair :-). After a while we went on the bed and continued. She bring some a vibrator, a dildo, a huge but-plug which you can also pump up and vibrates and another thing for anal penetration, Which I don’t know the name of in English :-). We did a 69 where I was lying on her and she was trying to get her tongue in my ass. Meanwhile I had the dildo in her pussy and the vibrator in her ass. I looked great. After playing a while with all toys it was time for a real toy and she put on a condom. She stayed on her back and I put a pillow under her ass. She started playing with her clit and I fucked her in her ass. She took the vibrator and put into her pussy while I was fucking her ass. I could not hold very long because of the vibrations. Cigarette time…..:-) After a while we start the same session over and again I fucked her ass. But this time the finishing touch came with a deep throat blowjob with gagging. I paid her 750grivna ($148) for 2,5 hours of pleasure (without even fucked her pussy).
It was already 04:00 when we left the apartment. Because I was hungry we left together and after eating I went to sleep. Saturday morning got up at 10:30 because I had to work. (that’s where I came for actually :-)) After work having diner I was supposed to catch up with ChrystalCowboy, another forum member, but he had to work late and in the night we missed each other. I went out with some Ukrainian friends. We went to Arena and 112. In 112 was a Halloween party. There I met Nathalia (+380 66 144 40 45) A NON PRO!!!. She is a beautiful tall girl, 182cm, blond long hair and one grey and one blue eye! Just beautiful! She was there with her girlfriend. All together we had great fun in 112 and in the morning 05:30 I brought her girlfriend home, like a real gentleman, and Nathalia joint me into my apartment. The sex and kissing was so so because she did not wanted to do a blowjob without a condom :-(. The fuck was ok and her beautiful face made everything good. At 08:00 I invited her for a breakfast and during the breakfast she asked me to give her a contribution for her study. She studies languages. So for all forum members: she speaks fluent English, Italian and Spanish. I asked her how much she needed and she told me with a blushed face, 300 grivna (about $60) I gave her a $ 100 dollars because it was really a nice girl and she did not wanted to take advantage of me. I asked her if she does this more often and she told me maybe once or twice a month, just to have some money. I asked her if I can give her phone number to friends to contribute her study once in a while and she agreed. So dear forum members…. If you just want to spend a great evening with beautiful tall Nathalia and it is worth to you some money and a diner or breakfast, just give her call. After breakfast I brought her home and I had to work, without having any sleep :-(. I worked till 15:00 and I went to sleep for a few hours. In the evening I had some diner and I made an appointment with Inga (+380 67 946 68 78). I asked her if she agreed with two guys because ChrystaCowboy and I kind of agreed to take a woman together. So though I did not meet ChrystalCowboy yet I made and appointment for two because I wanted to visit Inga anyway. And I also thought that Inga would be the best option, because she really is experienced in everything! I agreed $ 250 for two guys, two hours, because I was a regular client :-) Later that evening ChrystalCowboy called off because of his work :-(. So I went alone to Inga. When I arrived at her place, 23:55, she lives about 25 minutes drive from the centre, she did not open the door. :-( and about 20 minutes later I received an sms from her that she had left the building because of a private matter :-(. So off I go, back to the centre. Out off frustration I went to a restaurant and eat. Because I was still horny I called Marina again and asked her if she had time for. Of course she said and about an hour later she arrived at my apartment. I think it was already 2:00 or so. The first thing she said when she came in was that she forgot the toys. So everything what could go wrong went wrong that evening. :-( Actually I was not really in the mood anymore but I gave it a go any way. Again she did some good deep throat and I took her in her ass again. I also did her pussy this time. After a while she started complaining because my little friend was to big for her. I did not remember her complaining before….. so she finished me off with a handjob while she was fingering and licking my ass. I gave her 500 grivna, about $ 100, for 1,5 hours of pleasure. I went to sleep after and got up at 10:00. At 11:30 I had some meetings for work and had some lunch with my business partners. At 14:30 I went to the airport to fly back to Düsseldorf.
Well, that was my trip….. have to be there soon again :-)
Hi all!
Found a new site on the web with girls from Kiev, Phonenumbers and prices:
[url]http://www.ero.kiev.ua/salon.htm[/url]
Cheers
The pictures alone are incredible. I love Czech girls but can not wait to taste what Ukrainian girls have to offer.
Your Dog,
Down, boy, down, stop wagging that tail!
The pictures on that site Ismael told us about are about 95% fake. There are 3 or so actual photos on the English language pages and not much more on the Russian pages.
That is not to say that you are not correct. If and when you do get here and you see the real ladies here, you will understand why so many of us consider it paradise.
Dear friends, I do not want say that smael given some wrong indication, I even like to thanks him for his help and his report but of corse each girl has her different attitude with different people and even we have different taste.
By the way I was in Kiev for he fourth times in this wek and I met Marina and Nathalia (look one of the last Ismael report). First of al I have to let you know that I am clean and I am pretty successfull with the women even without pay, second that I like to enjoy time with them and my manner is all the time fair with everybody and third that I have a big experience with women worldwide travelling a lot for business. By the way I was laughing because like Ismael underlined all the Ukrainan girls in fact arive in late :-)
Nathalia: if she is a non pro I am Napoleon and I like her for the long legs but she has small tits not so beauty and no muscles in the legs and in the ass that are too soft and additionaly she shows 27/28 years instead twenty she has due of his hard job, her face show what she is doing (sorry Ismael but her face is pretty but not realy beautiful for the high Ukrainan standard level and she has not two different colors in the eyes :-) Additionaly she is not very good in the bed and people are calling her alltime by phone. At the end one man were waiting her with the car in front of my hotel. She has adv even in internet and works all the evening. My vote I 6/7 just because she were coming to dinner with me before to go to have sex session and this time in the rest. was pleasant, but I was not calling her to eat ;-)
About Marina: pretty face bt horrible slim body and ass (she seems ill :-(
The manner is even worst, she comes like requested with his toys but she refused to do anal (she told that never do it and obviously is not true). I think she is drinking a lot because the smale of her mouth was very bad and probably she is taking even something else. She seems totaly stupid and after a bbbj I asked her to leave the room even if we agreed to stay together two hours because I was thinking about the history of Ismael.
Dear friends avoid this bad woman, is probably dangeus for our healty too!
Other good news: many of you already placed report about Rest Town RP and othr famous places bt I have to let you knw that close to Hotel Khreshrathk where I was there is a club called Mexico where you can find amazing beauty and go with them in the sauna or in your room for 50us enjoy
Sorry it was 100us.
Enjoy your time there.
Might have to start callin ya VegaVoyer after your brain-melter:
"road in the blue sky milk cloud replonge famines border assassinations
impress rival phantasms footbridge skewer blonde navels released in
nature passage on the edges to deal with automats enchainer have the
dimension"
I don't even think VegaMars can translate that.
Let me translate the context in brief:
'' Ya hachu ya magu ''
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Might have to start callin ya VegaVoyer after your brain-melter:
"road in the blue sky milk cloud replonge famines border assassinations
impress rival phantasms footbridge skewer blonde navels released in
nature passage on the edges to deal with automats enchainer have the
dimension"
... [/QUOTE]
Who knows? Maybe a chemical analysis of the tea in VinceVoyer's samovar would shed some light? Or maybe this is what happens when you go off your meds? Maybe he's ingested black market Viagra cut with extra ingredients?
Hi everyone.
Was in Kiev this summer (see my report dated by the end of August) and going back there again!!! Very excited about this trip as it will be 10 days and nights in that paradise! ;)
I have almost everything arranged (air-fare with Orbitz, apartment with [url]www.UAApartments.com[/url] guys, transfer from airport etc...) except the girls. As i mentioned before, I'm a hunter by my nature, so i'll catch girls at Arena, SoundPlanet and other nightclubs, but i'd also like this time to arrange someone for the first night in advance (at least try to). SO, what i need is the advice for a cellphone number of some perfect girl for up to $200 per night... i someone has it - let me know guys, i'll buy you a drink in Kiev some time! ;)
Waiting for your comments, guys!
PS: this time will take my camera with me FOR SURE to make a GOOD report with pictures! :)
Guys,
Inga Porn Stars website appears to have gone down. I am in Kiev this weekend and I would desperately like to contact her. If you have her mobile number could you please PM me or post it here. Thanks in advance for your help.
Hi Guys,
I was just wondering if it is one you that I saw yesterday. I was brought to the apartment while the previous renter was still there. I flew in too early and no other apartment was still free. It was made by uaapartment on Instituskaya.
Good Day!
listen v-v.
who am i to..., i mean, who's to say what kind of kinky shit
any particular pervo happens to get off on, so really its none
of mine or anybody's concern, not that it should be anyhow.
so you know, i''m just sayin' that there's no real accounting for
taste, good taste, bad taste, whatever. one monger's bukakke
salad is another sluts toe cheese au gratin.
but are we really talking about paying extra, to be able to
deep french kiss your ho of the moment marta while she has
a mouth full of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url]?
so just out of curiosity, would that be her whiz or yours? couldn't
you just go down on her bladder? then again, if its your own [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url],
yeah well there's some kind of power trip about rep002s,
but with the dfk part, isn't that sort of like making out with
your catheter? didn't i once read that in the aarp penthouse letters
after the poligrip toothless bbgjcidc, (that's gumjob come in denture cup).
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]One monger's bukakke
salad is another sluts toe cheese au gratin.
Didn't I once read that in the AARP penthouse letters
after the poligrip toothless BBGJCIDC, (that's gumjob come in denture cup).[/QUOTE]
The man is genius - he should be given his own section and a dedicated glossary.
Stunning.
Snowy:
Although Bez's literary genius indeed does deserve a section of its own, it is important he remains here among us mortals... like no other he has a talent for reminding us what fuckers we are when we get out of hand.
Doc, did you just call me a viper?
So we got your poem, right here!
A monger among us
That feels like a fungus
It must be the Mangus
The dyevs he did bangus
By speakin the spanglish
What rhymes with pizda?
Let me remind you, the only thing that
undedicated talentless Bezarra deserves
is a section 8.
Drove into the heart of darkness today
in the middle of a downpour and in hopped
a perfectly doable soaking wet little crackberry
who couldn't remember her name, but would she do me?
I'm looking for a way to line up some freebies for my tour of europe. Was wondering if anyone knew of any online chat groups i could talk to girls from kiev at, or news papers i could post an ad in. I would rather it be a working type relationship than getting a girl to think she'll get to get a green card out of me.
Any thoughts or ideas appreciated.
I guess the sheets are in sale! They are in everyapartment the same :-) lol
Yes so you've solved the mystery of the pigs in recurring
blankets, revealed from last May Day's fine linens grand inventory
reduction sale at the main GUM department store.
Does anybody care now that Izzy's sheet has hit the fan?
Maybe you could post an ad with HushPuppy for free love,
I get laid all the time for my green cards.
Besides, pics are merely backdrops for this gripping
coma-inducing commentary I serve you with.
Mix and match cottons, but only the landlady knows
the stains remain the same.
Hi Guys,
I am planning for a 5 days stay in kiev just for pleasure and as long as it will be my first time in kiev I have a few question and will be happy to get some info about them;
- Where is the best place to stay ( Near action and resonable price ) ?
- Should I get apartments from GIA or else ?
- And any advice that you may think will be good for someone new will be appreciated.
Cheers,
Shahin
Saw some good reviews about kievbeauties...but wow the prices seem to have skyrocketed.
Only a few girls for 150 US / 2 hours. Most 300 US or more. I saw quotes of 100 or 110 US less than 6 months ago.
Strange given it is winter ... guess Kiev is getting more popular?
Obviously, local papers seem to be the way to go but still seems a concern.
Anybody with recent experience?
[QUOTE=Red or Dead]Hi Guys,
I am planning for a 5 days stay in kiev just for pleasure and as long as it will be my first time in kiev I have a few question and will be happy to get some info about them;
- Where is the best place to stay ( Near action and resonable price ) ?
- Should I get apartments from GIA or else ?
- And any advice that you may think will be good for someone new will be appreciated.
Cheers,
Shahin[/QUOTE]Hello Shahin,
To answer some of your questions as far as I can.
Get an apartment, it is cheaper and more convienient. I prefer somewhere near Bessaraba market as it is near Arena nightclub and a few others and at one end of the main street.
You don't need to get the apartments from Gia, there are a lot of companies out there, I have used uaapartments.com with success and just about to use them again next week.
As long as you have a place to bring the sweeties you will be good and failing that an escort will be around in a flash:))))
Good luck
Just got a pricing email back from Gia agency. Their prices appear to be same or similar to what I'd seen in September:
KRISTINA,EVGENIA,MARTA,OLGA,GALINA,KAROLINA,INGA,POLINA,TINA,ANIA,SVETA,ZARINA,YULA,ZHANNA,NASTIA,LARISA,KSYUSHA:
1 hour 100$,2 hours 130$,3 hours 160$,4 hours 190$,8 hours 260$,1 day 400$,2 days 700$,3 days 1000$.
ZOYA:
1 hour 100$,2 hours 150$,3 hours 200$,4 hours 250$,8 hours 300$,1 day 500$,2 days 900$,3 days 1200$.
* Blowjob without condom + 10$ (KRISTINA,MARTA,OLGA,ZOYA,GALINA,KAROLINA,POLINA,INGA,ANIA,SVETA,ZARINA,LARISA,YULA,KSYUSHA)
* Anal + 20$ (INGA,LARISA)
* Lesbi + 15$ (KRISTINA,MARTA,OLGA,KAROLINA,TINA,INGA,ANIA,ZARINA,NASTIA,LARISA,KSYUSHA)
* Play with toys (EVGENIA,MARTA,ZOYA,INGA,SVETA,YULA,LARISA)
* 69 (KRISTINA,EVGENIA,MARTA,OLGA,ZOYA,GALINA,KAROLINA,POLINA,TINA,INGA,ANIA,SVETA,ZARINA,YULA,ZHANNA,NASTIA,LARISA,KSYUSHA)
* Kissing (KRISTINA,EVGENIA,MARTA,OLGA,ZOYA,GALINA,KAROLINA,POLINA,TINA,INGA,ANIA,SVETA,ZARINA,YULA,ZHANNA,LARISA,KSYUSHA)
* Masturbation (EVGENIA,MARTA,OLGA,ZOYA,GALINA,KAROLINA,POLINA,TINA,INGA,ANIA,SVETA,ZARINA,YULA,ZHANNA,NASTIA,LARISA,KSYUSHA)
* Good English (KRISTINA,EVGENIA,ANIA,YULA,NASTIA,POLINA)
* We arrange comfortable and private apartments for meeting 20$.
Call us when you are in Kiev in 2 hours before the meeting:
(+38044) 240 1 444 (english-speaking person)
(+38050) 462 1 444 (english-speaking person)
[QUOTE=Astroboy]Saw some good reviews about kievbeauties...but wow the prices seem to have skyrocketed.
Only a few girls for 150 US / 2 hours. Most 300 US or more. I saw quotes of 100 or 110 US less than 6 months ago.
Strange given it is winter ... guess Kiev is getting more popular?
Obviously, local papers seem to be the way to go but still seems a concern.
Anybody with recent experience?[/QUOTE]
The general prices have been rising steadily for the past couple of years and the tendency will surely be the same for the near future..
However, the high prices of the top agencies are subject to negotiation, especially for the Kiev Beauties and so on....
[QUOTE=Astroboy]Saw some good reviews about kievbeauties...but wow the prices seem to have skyrocketed.
Only a few girls for 150 US / 2 hours. Most 300 US or more. I saw quotes of 100 or 110 US less than 6 months ago.
Strange given it is winter ... guess Kiev is getting more popular?
Obviously, local papers seem to be the way to go but still seems a concern.
Anybody with recent experience?[/QUOTE]I have written a good review about [url=http://www.kievbeauties.kiev.ua]Kiev Beauties[/url] in may 2005. At that time it was a good deal : 2 hours / $100 / 80 euros, nice and beautiful girls, real photos, reliable agency. But now their prices are way too high and photos are stolen from playboy-style magazines (Tanya looks good but it's definitely not her on the [url=http://www.kievbeauties.kiev.ua/en/profile/?id=30]photos[/url]).
Now, better choose well known and reliable agencies [url=http://www.gia.com.ua]Gia[/url] and [url=http://www.stars-in.net]Stars in Net aka Stars From Heaven[/url] who didn't raise too much their prices.
Thanks guys for the feedback.
Yes, I got the GIA prices too.
Look a little better. Did you notice that the prices in russian appear cheaper, 110 USD for 2 hours compared to 130 USD for dumbos like me.
I asked Kiev Beauties about prices but got a pretty blunt no. Might have better luck when I call, but I doubt it.
Will be in Ukraine this week. Will probably check both out just becuase they seem to be so convenient.
Going to Kiev, Yalta and Kharkov.
Astroboy
Hi guys,
I'll make my maiden voyage to Kiev during the 3rd week of December and I have a few questions:
- I've never actually rented an appartment, always stay in hotels. In Kiev however, the hotels seem to be a big rip-off. Appartments from [url]www.uaapartments.com[/url] seem to be ok, but they have so many choices. Could someone with experience please recommend some? The ones below look pretty good, are within my budget and have internet (very important for me):
[url]http://www.uaapartments.com/apt/KV232[/url]
[url]http://www.uaapartments.com/apt/KV231[/url]
Are they any good? Any experience with the internet connection? Do these appartments come with towels, or should I bring my own?
Can I pay for the appartment with Credit Card?
- During daytime I'll be conducting interviews with candidate employees. Does anybody have any good tips on where I can do this? Perhaps hotel where I can rent a conference room for a reasonable price? or perhpas a nice hotel lobby?
- Then for my night time activities :) I guess Gia and Stars from Heaven are safe choices for escorts. Are there any other escort agencies I should try that are not over priced? Does Stars from heaven allow you to rent a girl for only 2 hours? What bars/clubs should I try? Is River place still worth a visit? or is it an overpriced tourist trap now?
Looking forward to your answers. Thanks in advance.
Regards,
BBBJ
In answer to what I can personally attest to BBBJ.
For uaapartments they will only allow you to pay for the first night by credit card (prior to arrival) and the rest they want in cash, whatever currency as long as it it the right amount. Can't comment on the internet connection but you can stress that before you come.
In the apartment there were two shitty towels but in another who knows.
No idea for you about a hotel but you can ask the apartment company as they can be helpful when they want to or if you can find someone else to show you it would be better.
I know a girl who "works" and might be willing to help you out with that and whatever else you want, not that cheap though.
I have used Gia a few times and have got exactly what they said, Kiev Beauties was ok to, the prices on the website are not exactly what they charge but they will be different girls than the pictures but the two I had from there were excellent and spoke fluent english. In July when I rang they were charging 100usd for 2 hours. I am off there next week so will confirm this is still the price. I am sure they have girls for more but who wants to waste money just because they think that they are worth more?
River Palace is a good experience, can be quite fun and an ego boost but is a little bit of a rip off but well worth doing at least once, you will get ripped off by the taxis as you come out even more but that is the norm. The prices were 200usd and it is a struggle to get them lower if you try.
The dicos around Arena are good and a mixture of girls , most of the names have been mentioned previously.
No comment on Stars as I have never used them.
Good luck and you can't help but have a good time.
If you want the girl to help pm me.
Hey Guys,
I was in Kiev about a year ago and used the services of a translator that i found on brama. The plan was to use him to approach ordinary girls on the street and strike up a conversation, if the vibe was good the idea was to make it obvious i was willing to pay the girl for her company.
In the end it worked out quite well, i found it very easy to score dates with young cuties with very little outlay but it proved a little harder to get into their pants. I think if i had more time it could have worked out much better but i was only there for 5 days. Anyway the reason why i am posting is that i have managed to find this guys email, so if anyone is after a translator who is also able to hook up dates with regular girls Pm and i'll give you his email.
[QUOTE=Alphamale]In answer to what I can personally attest to BBBJ.
For uaapartments they will only allow you to pay for the first night by credit card (prior to arrival) and the rest they want in cash, whatever currency as long as it it the right amount. Can't comment on the internet connection but you can stress that before you come.
In the apartment there were two shitty towels but in another who knows.
No idea for you about a hotel but you can ask the apartment company as they can be helpful when they want to or if you can find someone else to show you it would be better.
I know a girl who "works" and might be willing to help you out with that and whatever else you want, not that cheap though.
I have used Gia a few times and have got exactly what they said, Kiev Beauties was ok to, the prices on the website are not exactly what they charge but they will be different girls than the pictures but the two I had from there were excellent and spoke fluent english. In July when I rang they were charging 100usd for 2 hours. I am off there next week so will confirm this is still the price. I am sure they have girls for more but who wants to waste money just because they think that they are worth more?
River Palace is a good experience, can be quite fun and an ego boost but is a little bit of a rip off but well worth doing at least once, you will get ripped off by the taxis as you come out even more but that is the norm. The prices were 200usd and it is a struggle to get them lower if you try.
The dicos around Arena are good and a mixture of girls , most of the names have been mentioned previously.
No comment on Stars as I have never used them.
Good luck and you can't help but have a good time.
If you want the girl to help pm me.[/QUOTE]
Alphamale,
Thanks so much for your prompt response. Very helpful information...much appreciated!
As for RP...is that 200$ for the night? or per hour?
Now for a nasty question: what girl from Gia gives the best BBBJ according to your experience? :)
Thanks again!
BBBJ
Thanks so much for your prompt response. Very helpful information. Much appreciated!
As for RP. Is that 200$ for the night? Or per hour?
Now for a nasty question: what girl from Gia gives the best BBBJ according to your experience? :)
Thanks again!
BBBJ[/QUOTE]To BBBJ,
To answer your questions RP for 200 dolaars gets you a few hours, i would say two but depends on the girl. Something to establish with them beforehand, If you want the rest of the night (mind you it will be at least after 12 or 1am before you leave minimum) you will have to make sure beforehand.If they say 200 for the hour tell them to get lost, there will be at least 40 minimum to choose from.But it is important you do try for cheaper as this will hopefully keep the prices in some sort of check.
As to the Gia girls, I think I stayed with four over the time I was there. Only two are still listed on the website. Sveta, who spoke zero english and is quite a solid girl with nice boobs, good service. The other was Zhanna who does not look much like her photo(if it was the same one) and gave adequate service but then again they had pissed me off by saying she was only available for an hour and I had wanted more.
Both we good with BBBJ and to me of all the girls I had there it seemed more the norm than otherwise they did CIM.
It will be up to you to work that out:)))
Good luck
BBBJ
You can pre pay your apartment using a credit card with gotorussia.com. I have used them for all 3 of my trips including airport pick-up. They were very professional and the apartments were nice with great locations. BTW they are a U.S. company located in Atlanta. Have a great trip and yes you need atleast one night at River Palace!!
[QUOTE=BBBJ]Hi guys,
- I've never actually rented an appartment, always stay in hotels. In Kiev however, the hotels seem to be a big rip-off. Appartments from [url]www.uaapartments.com[/url] seem to be ok, but they have so many choices. Could someone with experience please recommend some? The ones below look pretty good, are within my budget and have internet (very important for me):
[url]http://www.uaapartments.com/apt/KV232[/url]
[url]http://www.uaapartments.com/apt/KV231[/url]
Are they any good? Any experience with the internet connection? Do these appartments come with towels, or should I bring my own?
Can I pay for the appartment with Credit Card?
BBBJ[/QUOTE]BBBJ,
I have stayed several days in both apartments. They are very nice but look as if they were decorated by the same person in the same store.
Broadband Internet works well in both and I have used it intensively. If you need a hard line phone, keep in mind that only KV231 has it.
I agree that the towel thing could be an issue but I always uses the ones that were in the apartment. They were clean but certainly not the best quality.
For payment, once reserved, uaapartments will send you a link to paypal to pay for the first night.
Two last usefull/funny notes on KV231:
If you need to iron out your shirts, there are two irons. Make sure you check the iron prior to using it. With the new one, I have stained one of my shirts with some sort of plastic that was melted on it. I then tried to use the older one and blew the main breaker.
Also, they have put the toilet so high that my feet almost don't touch the floor while I seat and I am over 6 feet tall !
Hope it helps !
Guys,
Does anyone have experience with this site ?
[url]http://www.vipdosug.kiev.ua/[/url]
It is the english site link from this one
[url]http://www.ero.kiev.ua/[/url]
Some pictures are fake for sure (playboy or something), but most seems to be real... Any info could help ?
I have used once this one [url]http://sexlady.kiev.ua/index.htm[/url] and the girl was the same as on pictures.
For those of you who have tried these ads or sites (other than gia, desired stars and kievbeauties) did you get the same girl as the picture from the ad or almost never the same.
Thanks !
Hey Guys,
I will be in Kiev for the first time from January 4-8. I am fairly young and looking for a place to go dancing and pick up some freebies. Any suggestions?
Also can anyone comment on the Caribbean Club?
Thanks!
Tungstenine
At least some of the girls are real as I had a couple back in October. Another site I used was [url]http://www.prostitutki.kiev.ua/[/url]. I had good luck with it also. Plus a couple River Palace girls one very good and one that was OK.
Hello
I was in the Caribbean club over the summer and it's very popular with single girls in Kiev. They go there in 2s and 3s and I would rate it highly is a good pick up place.
IL
Hi everybody,
Thanks for the great advise. Much appreciated!
I have finally decided to stay in a hotel on my first trip. Important part here are the interviews that I'll be conducting, so need access to a board room.
I'll goto the Radisson SAS Hotel in Kiev. Has anybody stayed at this hotel and is it girl friendly? In other words, will the security or front desk give me a problem if I bring a girl back to the room?
Thanks in advance!
BBBJ
Caribbean was one of my favorite scenes in Kiev last winter. Nice mellow vibe. I liked the club and the layout. Very rare to spot a 9 but lots of single girls. I've heard people say there is p4p there - it is Kiev after all. But I haven't spotted it in the 10-15 times I've been there. Good food, good times.
[QUOTE=Chachapoya]Hey Guys,
I will be in Kiev for the first time from January 4-8. I am fairly young and looking for a place to go dancing and pick up some freebies. Any suggestions?
Also can anyone comment on the Caribbean Club?
Thanks![/QUOTE]
Chacha,
You'll do really well at Caribbean club... its a latin/Cuban place and most of the house latinos there are really dorky, so the dyevs will be anxious to meet a good-looking guy like you... hope you can dance.... :)
Just returned to the USA after a trip to The Crimia and Kiev. Sad to report that the pickings were mighty slim for me in the Crimia. Spent time in Theodocia, Donesk and Simforopol. Had too much company from other members of my group to do much in Donesk or Theodicia. Never had a moment to myself to do any wondering. Was able to spend one evening at the Hotel at the Simforopopl airport. Managed to flirt abit with one young lady in the lobby- but nothing came of it.
I had high hopes for Kiev and had contacted Gia several times by email and thought I had something arranged. I was never able to get an English speaking person on the phone and so my plans never came to bearing fruit. I was able to meet a very nice girl, Nastya, on the bus from the train station back out to the airport. I had gone into town to do some sightseeing and nearly froze- so was headed back by bus. The taxi ride quote was beyond my desire to pay.
Long story short, my 20 grevna ride back out to the airport and my hotel was the best money I ever spent. I struck up a conversation with Nastya and found that she worked at one of the shops at the airport. I asked her to stop by the hotel after she finished work and perhaps we could spend some time together. We discussed that she might need some assistance with her upcoming university tuition and how I was just the kind of big hearted fellow that always likes to see a student go to school. She stop by after her shift at the airport and we spent a wonderful night together. Excellent GFE and a very entergetic kind, young lady. She is 21 years old and lives with her sister in Kiev (sorry she asked that her number not be given)- she works at one of gift shops in the international terminal. Brownish blond hair, a bit thick in the rear but very nice tight breasts. Seems to enjoy what she was doing and I had a great time. I gave her $50 and she spent the entire night. I was so impressed that I can hardly wait to go back.
I do not know what went wrong with GIA- I had been looking forward to that for several months and nothing worked out.
Hi guys,
Yeh dr.Skank you are right kiev might be better for me because more options .I guess odessa used to be good. Maybe I will hang around Kiev for a few days in May. i am early 30 tall ,goodlooking, but as we all know older sugar daddies more desirable sometimes. they distrust young players. Anyone will be mongering in April or May let me know.
Guys,
Took a list of phone numbers with me from [url]http://kiev-x.com[/url]. Obviously, the photos are fake but thought it might still be useful.
Tried 531-56-68 (I hope I got this number right ...I removed my SIM and lost my numbers). Girl answered with really basic english but enough to get an address and prices:
1 Leontovycha vul, nearest metro Universytet
60 USD for 1 hour & 100 USD for two hours
I got the address screwed up so caught a taxi. Usual Kiev taxi ripoff but cheaper than a translator!
Entrance is the grey door, the first from the corner. Not the brown door further along.
Apartment #18 (faintly written on the door in chalk).
There were 12 girls there (this was a Sunday night). Mostly 6's with a few 7's.
Chose the girl I had been speaking to. Blonde, toned body (does alot of aerobics).
Had a good session. Did all I asked but I was not really pushing.
So maybe a good option if you have time to kill and no apartment!
Everybody should look closely at this guy Astro's pizda mathematical
calculations and equations, because HE, is right on the money!
Its a perfect picture of what Ukraine tries to get you to accept.
They want you to give up and settle for something lesser.
And sadly too often, too many of us just do.
12 available dyevs to choose, but not one 8, 9, or 10 in the bunch.
THAT IS THE ESSENCE OF THIS COUNTRY! THE UKRAINE DEFINITIVE.
Oh sure, you walk around, or go in the metro, or anywhere, and you're
spotting more cuties than you can keep track of. Sometimes they're
all over the place and your brain starts to explode! It just doesn't
make sense. Welcome to Ukraine! :-)
Yeah, and then when its time to git 'er done, you wind up again hoping
another beer will help make some 6 look like a 7.
Fortunately, its only that way most of the time. Every once in a while
there WILL be an 8, 9, or 10, but it really takes time, work, and some
luck.
Well, I am not recommending any one place. Just that we should try and build up more options.
I think paying (say) 200 USD or more in Kiev is crazy. It is 10 times the price outside Kiev and more than the average monthly wage.
BTW, I did try GIA. But my fault, I called late and only Marta left. Photos looked great but she was terrible.
Nice enough girl but saggy body and mechanical sex ... atleast 10 years older than she says.
I think other girls would probably be fine.
Here for the last week and used Gia primarily for the incall just because I knew what I was getting and have never really had a probelm with them as opposed to some of the other companies of which I will discuss latter.
Firstly Yula, the pick of the litter for what I have seen so far, very good english and very intelligent and friendly, knows what service is and was fun to be with. Is probably cuter than her photos and dresses very elegantly and is quite petite. She is the type of girl you would take to a function and have an enjoyable time with.
Second Ania and Inga (had them together), both quite good service, Both performed adequate Lesbian but not wholly enthusiastic. Ania speaks good english and was good in bed but not the best, looks like her photos but slightly darker hair at the moment. Inga I thought gave better service and was slightly more enthusiastic. Her photos on the site make her look extremely skinny but she is actually quite a solid girl with good sized breasts, slightly freckled and spoke basic english.
Tina was an improptu choice and not very good. Looks older in her photos and in my opinion slightly rough but she was freindly and happy. No english and was eager to leave asap but was adequate in bed but definitely will not bother with again. The last was Olga who I vaguely remember speaks english and looks decent, not dissimilar from her photos and gave good enough service.
Had one bad experience with Vice sisters but will mention that in a latter post as I have tried twice already and lost it twice.
From a source I know I have found out that Kiev Beauties has definitely raised there prices from July and the minimum will be 200usd for 2 hours. Only some of the photos are of the girls themselves but do represent an actual girl with that name. From what I hear they are planning to put some real photos on.
Thanks to Alpha Male for the help with appartments! And enjoyed our 6-7 hours at River Palace! Wednesday I met Natali again and she is a fantastic cock jockey. Had her three nights and in the end she was coming to my apartment at 2000 and leaving at 0900 next morning! Unfortunately, she goes Milan to see her mother and sister in Feb and she is looking now to exit Ukraine in the near future and this will be a sore loss to River Palace!
Nobody use Vice Sisters now re-branded as Vice Kiev. Absolute crap service from the girls! I used Gia once, and the service was as good as ever, but the girl told me that she only takes 40% of the amount that you pay and Gia take the rest! And they have to pay the taxis to and from out of there 40%. No charity service!
I met Alpha Male at River Palace and put the world to rights! I got kicked out of the disco at 6am went down the sports bar, got kicked out of there and went upstairs to the slot machine area where me and Alpha Male had a drink and viewed a collection of stragglers who had not been lucky. Her name was Lara, and she started to tell Alpha Male and me about her life, and out came the photo of her daughter. I let Alpha Male tell the rest, but in the end she agreed for a nominal fee for two hours of fun. I left Alpha Male chatting some blonde up at the bar at 0800.
Lara was worth what it cost, but you would be gutted if you paid her 1200 price! As we say in England, she scrubbed up well and really what was no more than a 5 naked looked maybe 7 when dressed but service was good and did everything I asked! How did you get on with yours alphamale?
I'm back in Feb 06, so anyone about give me a shout!
Bandit7 checking out at Borisphol Airport.
Hello Guys,
I called Kiev Beauties yesterday and ask for who was available for a couple of hours. Since their website went down approximately at the same time I was about to call, I had to look at the pictures from my temporary internet files to figure out which girl is which.
Anyway, I asked for Nastya and Zhenia who were not available and I was told Marina could be here in one hour. I said OK and 20 minutes later she came. I was impressed but not completely ready yet. She was cute, slim and tall but did not have a toned body which is surprising knowing she is only 18!
Anyhow, just to tell you guys that I think I have had the worst experience ever with a girl... There was no charming, no teasing, no kissing, no a lot of touching. CBJ was only teeth, I was actually scared that it would tear during sex. She took control and only objective was to finish the job. When done, she ran to the shower.
After first round, I was not even sure I wanted more but gave her a chance! Maybe she could work it out for a second round. So we chitchat for a while, talking about school and cellphones... After 10-15 minutes, I just said if you want to leave you can go and I don't even remember seing her leave the place! She was gone in under 1 second.
For my first experience with Kiev Beauties, I must admit I was really disapointed. It was my 5th time in Kiev, I had some girls from Moda Bar, Arena, River Palace a couple of in-calls from [url]www.sexlady.kiev.ua[/url]
They were all a lot better looking than Marina from KB and surely a lot more fun to be with GFE.
Thanks guys to share similar or, more importantly, better experiences with KievBeauties.
Hello Tungstenine,
Your report show that even with a pretty girl, you can have a bad time. It's sometimes better if the girl is not so pretty and if she shows that she likes to be with you....
I had around 50 escort girls in Ukraine, more of the half in Kiev and the rest in some others cities.
I remember a beautiful University student, a beautiful face and a nice body, but sex wasn't great with her. No bbbj, I couldn't lick her tits, only 2 positions, not so happy to be with me.....
With the half of the escort girls, that I had in Ukraine, girls were really good, I mean, they showed me that they were happy to be with me (even if it wasn't the case, it's hard to know), they smiled, they gave me the feeling to have a good time with them....
Sex with some of them was great and with every girl, it was different. Some do bbbj, some not. Some agree to do every positions you want, some not. Some agree to do it on the ground floor, some not. And most important some agree to do it 2 times in one hour and some just one time....
So escort is like that. It's not possible to know, what you will get....IT'S A SURPRISE and the surprise is sometimes really really good and sometimes really bad...
The best thing would be to ask before having sex, to ask, what she does and what she does not....
Was in Kiev again few weeks ago with a friend. After a successful deal closure a local guy we work with suggested we get a massage to relax ourselves. I'm usually kind of skeptic about erotic massages as only few really know how to give a real good massage and the erotic part is far less then a full time sex with a girl. But the guy said we won't regret it and so jumping to the end - this was really an overwhelming experience.
Those are two women Anya and Klara doing a 4-hand massage. Their phone is 80505335232. Don't expect any young chicks, the one is around 50 and the other around 40 (although wouldn’t mind doing here) and has a Asian looks. They come over to your hotel/flat which is also more convenient then searching some local address. They bring with them their music, oils, scents and all that is needed. Each session is 40-60 minutes. They are doing the massage with only their panties on, but you really can't touch anything. When I tried that on the Asian looking one she gently but firmly returned my hand to its place.
I can’t really describe the whole massage, jus to say it was a wonderful feeling; they didn't miss a muscle in my body. And for the end they gave me one of the best hand-jobs I had. While one was finishing me off the other grab my neck and head and just as was coming she pulled it and squeezed it in some specific places, so that I couldn't hold the moaning and groaning. It was the best massage I ever had, and I had a few.
After a couple of hours, fully relaxed, we called a girl out local friend recommended. Her name is Tanya, phone 380675024362. She brought her friend Tonya as well and the deal was $200 for each for 2-3 hours. I'm used to paying much less in Kiev but those two were worth the money. Tanya is pro but is really easy going, and very energetic in bed. She will do anything (except anal) and really makes a lot of effort to give you good time. I'll post Tanya's photos in the photo gallery. After first round me with Tanya and my friend with Tonya, we switched girls. They had no problem with that. Tonya is black-hair very slim with a beautiful face. She has a kid, but you couldn’t tell as she is has a very tight body and breasts and looks 18. She didn’t let me take her pictures.
On the next day we called Tanya again and this time wanted to have a three-some. So this time she brought another 2 friends of her. She seams to run a whole harem. I first let my friend have Tanya with one of the other 2 girls, while I went with the third. And after that we switched and I took two of them and he went with Tanya. While with both girls they were very enthusiastic. While banging one of them the other was kissing and liking me all the time. Switched between the girls a couple of times and tried few positions with each. Again a top experience.
Can't wait to go back to Kiev and meet Tanya and her many friends again.
Marry Xmass,
Barmer67
Great Read! I got to Kiev once a year also. What did the thressome cost you? $200 for one for all seems a little high, but not for great service.
Europe74
Do any of the girls speak English or German?
k
Hello Klon15,
Many of the girls in Kiev have some knowledge of English.
German just a few.
I would say that more of the half of the girls in Kiev are able to speak English with you. I mean the escort girls that you can find in some newspapers written in English. You can find these newspapers at the door of some good restaurants....
Furthermore when you call the agency, they speak English.
Just tell them, what kind of girl you want.
You sometimes have some surprises like if you ask for a blond hair, you get a black hair.....
Just one more thing, don't be too impatient. When they say, that the girl will be at your apartment or hotel room in 20 minutes, expect that she will come 40 minutes or 1 hour later.....That's the nice aspect of escort.
When they are 40 and 50 years old, you really think
about language skills?
If she reads you bedtime stories in Macedonian, you care?
Here's a link to the Russian text as well as the photos of a "protest" held on December 23 you might enjoy seeing.
[url]http://www.mpravda.com/?lang=ru&pubId=8416[/url]
Briefly, this was a half-naked protest by students against the Kiev Post. Sorry, no topless ladies or full nudity but it deals with possible future problems with our favorite pimp paper.
A brief translation.
"The Prosecutor General Got to See a Striptease"
Today, 23 December, a protest called "no sex mafia" was held under the intriguing name of "naked protest."
In this manner, several activists from various youth organizations took off their shirts to protest continued sex business advertising. The demonstrators tore up copies of the Kiev Post and threw them into the air.
The Prosecutor General was given a request to open a criminal investigation into the Kiev Post for its continued advertising of the sex business. In the pages of this publication one can find ads for sex services despite the fact that such services are not legal in Ukraine. The protestors said they were against child pornography and sex slavery.
If you have copies of the Post, make sure you hold on to them. It may not be too long before you will need another source to find these phone numbers.
Hi Klon15,
I myself speak Russian so had no such problem, but my friend speaks only English. Some times he would call up an agency and had no problem negotiating with them, just like Volpone wrote. most of them have someone that speaks Eng.
Once the girl is in your place you won't have any problem explaining her what you want. :-)
Also, many times we were told that non of the girls speak Eng. , but once in our place turned out they do a little. Some of therm are just too embarrassed that they don't speak well, so they just say they don't speak at all.
Don't let the language barrier stop you.
Barmer67.
[QUOTE=Klon15]Do any of the girls speak English or German?
k[/QUOTE]
To follow up on Astroboy's report below, I've been here twice, and had one good experience, one bad. First of all, a girl to avoid - she is called Ksenia, a pretty full-bodied blonde (not thin), speaks some OK English and seems friendly when you're choosing, but once you are alone with her, she isn't interested in doing anything at all, even having a conversation, is totally passive and lifeless. She is actually a rather intelligent girl, I think, but has decided that she will give nothing of herself when working.
In general, I felt very comfortable visiting the apartment, and the girls and manageress seemed relaxed and friendly, so I think it's worth a visit. If a taxi driver takes you then their cut is taken out of the girl's money, and it's not too tricky to find - on the corner, a few doors along from a big club called 'Avalon', the door code is 273 I think, the apartment is up a couple of small flights of stairs.
I just thought I would respond to uke boys report about demonstations about Kiev post (sex adverts).
Who really cares whether Kiev post loses the adverts and the agencies close down!They operate at the bottom end of the market and more than often have a service to match. You ring thier telephone number the manager is rude, abrupt, decietful. You ask for a service, they say ok, and then when she arrives at your appartment or hotel she doesn't have a clue!
When I was there last month I called one out of the post, Vice Kiev (formerly Vice Sisters). 50$ for the hour. Twenty minutes later telephone went and could I go down stairs. So down four floors I go and, on the road out she gets from a taxi and snapps 287grivna. I say "ok" and turn round to go up to my apartment, and she say "you pay me now!" She did not even have the money to pay the taxi! I wont bore you with the details of the hour only to say I would have had more enjoyment crumpling my USD and setting fire to it!
Gia does not advertise in Kiev Post but Kiev Beauties does, along with 2-3 other that have multipule adverts with different telephone numbers. If you use Kiev Beauties, ring the number in the post and what's on magizine and you will pay 100$ per hour and 50$ for second hour. The girls are ok, but none do anal or blow job without! They do not advertise themselves as Kiev Beauties, but they are! If you use the web or ask for a particular girl they will charge you web prices up to 300$ for two hours, so if you didn't find oil in you back yard before you left home I would not bother them!
Gia is the top agency. Their web pages are excellent and you can pick what you want from the menu and the girls will deliver with enthusiam.
In my experience standard agency pratice is to split the fee on a 60/40 basis with the girl taking 40%, so in the case of Vice Kiev she will be on 20$ for the hour and she will have to pay her transport to and from your out of the 20$. You can see why the girls are so indifferent and don't give shit! These agencys that advertise in Kiev Post don't offer us any value, they don't provide the girls with enough of a cut to make them happy and honestly they want to be avoided!
I would rather go River Palace where the girls are free agents and the price varies with the time of night! Last time I got one at 0630 in the morning for 100$ two hours including cim and kissing etc and she left happy. You get yourself a friendly one and she will come to you what time you like and leave when you want them to go! I would estimate that a decent girl at RPs maybe a 8 is earning somewhere between 2000$to4000$ a month! See the difference? There are numerous possibilities if you put your self about in Kiev, many ordinary girls will oblige for a small reward and they go home happy. We don' have to support agencies like Vice Kiev which has to be close to white sex slavery!
Enough of a rant now. Any body in Kiev feb 06 (more than likely middle of the month) who fancys a night outm please pm me. When I was there last I was talking to a Brit who told me they let the locals in (girls) Tuesday, so I said to Natali next time I am in Kiev we will go! She replys as fast lightining, I don't like RP on Tuesdays, which means the 200$ tricks are not plentiful. I was also told that they let the local men in and the girls charge 50$ to them but more for us!
Anybody with any tales to tell about Tuesday nights at RP please post them. So please ladsm do not disturb me about Kiev Post, but I will man the baricades if those students are outside River Palace.
Bandit7
I agree with you Bandit7 about that not nice woman on the phone when you ask for an escort.
You have 1 chance up to 2 to be connected with that woman and she is usually quite rude and sometimes she will treat you of bastard if there is just a little something wrong.
For ex. Last year, I called one number of WHAT'S ON and she told me that a girl would come to my apartment 20 minutes later.
But one hour later nobody was there and I decided to call her again and she told me that I was a bastard because the girl was coming and I had tried to pay less. The reality was that no girl had come. She knew that a bit later, because she called the girl, but she didn't make some excuses to me. I agree to get another girl and I got her about 2 hours after my first calling.....
It was great sex, I just take my time, I could lick her pussy during 20 minutes . The girl was a real beauty, 19 years old.
It's a kind of hit or miss and many times you will get something in the middle. What is interesting with these kind of escorts, is that you can get some 18-21 years old students and they are not so fond of sex, but who cares. If you can lick her pussy and take your time....
Hello all,
I will tell you about a little incident I had last month while in Kiev.
I finally decided to try another escort company other than Kiev beauties or Gia and decided to ring Vice ecsort(vice sisters) from their number in Kiev Post.
Spoke to the girl who spoke relatively good English and she told me the prices were 60USD for the hour and 30 dollars per hour after that. She said I could come to their place which is somehwere in the center but it was late and I could not be bothered searching all over Kiev in the dead of night for a shag.
She asked what type of girl I wanted and I said blonde and young (did'nt really care as long as she was good looking). I was then told a bit over an hour someone would be there.I was watching out my apartment about 90 minutes later being the impatient type that I am and see a car trying to decide whether to come into my courtyard from the street or not and I thought that that must be it. While they were dithering a police car rolled past in the opposite direction or which I thought nothing of. The escort car then drove in and as i was about to get up I notice the cop car come back and park out the front and two cops get out and start walking into the courtyard.
My paranioa levels rose just slightly and then the girl from the office rang to say that they were there and that I could go downstairs. I told her no way as i had seen some police going in behind them. She said no it must be a coincidence and said that she would ring them and then ring me back. She rang back about 10 minutes later and said no problem that the police were gone. I checked out the front wondow and the police car was gone but i was still a little dubious. Thinking with more my little head than my big I wandered downstairs and went out the security door and saw the car about 30 meters away with its lights on but I could also see two cops crouched behind the garbage skip.
Fuck me I thought and just kept walking around through the archway and down the street. In the meantime before I had walked out of the courtyard the escort car was honking its horn trying to get my attention, I just acted as if i did not know it and kept going. As I entered the street i could see the cop car parked way down from where my apartment was, the sneaky buggers, and i made it about 150 meters before one of the cops caught up to me.
He was telling me in his non existant English for me to come back up to the courtyard and walked me past the escort car from a glance i could see one male driving and 3 girls in the passanger seats.
They asked for my passport which was obviously upstairs in the apartment but unfortunately stashed with all of my cash so i had no wish to show them where it was. They kept saying in pigeon English "prostitute, Illegal" and kept saying no, not me and that I was off to Arena for some dancing..
They acted dubious but eventually let me go back up to my apartment.
In conclusion I don't think it was a sting operation or a scam, I mean they let me go and did not ask for any money in the end of which I was expecting. If I had of gone to the car and looked at the girls I am sure I would have been fucked. I think that the escort driver was just unlucky that the cop car went past at the wrong time while he was looking indecisive and saw all the girls in the car. But to I have to say that once they were busted it was obvious to me with the cooperation of Vice escort and the driver that I then became the target of the cops and they were cooperating with the police wholeheartedly. I don't expect much more from them as I would try to cover my ass to.
Oh well you live and learn:)
I think I asked this before, but if you don't have a computer,
how do you call Gia?
Tuesday night at RP is Ladies Night which means they get in free all night plus a ticket for a 1000 Grivnas lottery. If they have visited RP on a weekend night and produce the ticket they also get in free on Monday nights. Wednesday night is free if they check in before 23.00 pm. This means that the best nights for hunting are Monday through to Wednesday, as for letting the local guys in free as well it doesn't happen. Most of the WG's at RP I've met prefer West European guys or Russian businessmen and as for $50 a trick I figure you got more chance at the Railway Station.
One move I made at RP which worked was to target one of the lottery winners who I figured was probably feeling good as she had won the 1000 Grivnas (Around $200) and might be a little more generous with her time. Sure enough she stayed with me from 03.00am until midday for $100.
[QUOTE=Bandit7]I just thought I would respond to uke boys report about demonstations about Kiev post (sex adverts).
Who really cares whether Kiev post loses the adverts and the agencies close down!They operate at the bottom end of the market and more than often have a service to match. You ring thier telephone number the manager is rude, abrupt, decietful. You ask for a service, they say ok, and then when she arrives at your appartment or hotel she doesn't have a clue!
When I was there last month I called one out of the post, Vice Kiev (formerly Vice Sisters). 50$ for the hour. Twenty minutes later telephone went and could I go down stairs. So down four floors I go and, on the road out she gets from a taxi and snapps 287grivna. I say "ok" and turn round to go up to my apartment, and she say "you pay me now!" She did not even have the money to pay the taxi! I wont bore you with the details of the hour only to say I would have had more enjoyment crumpling my USD and setting fire to it!
Gia does not advertise in Kiev Post but Kiev Beauties does, along with 2-3 other that have multipule adverts with different telephone numbers. If you use Kiev Beauties, ring the number in the post and what's on magizine and you will pay 100$ per hour and 50$ for second hour. The girls are ok, but none do anal or blow job without! They do not advertise themselves as Kiev Beauties, but they are! If you use the web or ask for a particular girl they will charge you web prices up to 300$ for two hours, so if you didn't find oil in you back yard before you left home I would not bother them!
Gia is the top agency. Their web pages are excellent and you can pick what you want from the menu and the girls will deliver with enthusiam.
In my experience standard agency pratice is to split the fee on a 60/40 basis with the girl taking 40%, so in the case of Vice Kiev she will be on 20$ for the hour and she will have to pay her transport to and from your out of the 20$. You can see why the girls are so indifferent and don't give shit! These agencys that advertise in Kiev Post don't offer us any value, they don't provide the girls with enough of a cut to make them happy and honestly they want to be avoided!
I would rather go River Palace where the girls are free agents and the price varies with the time of night! Last time I got one at 0630 in the morning for 100$ two hours including cim and kissing etc and she left happy. You get yourself a friendly one and she will come to you what time you like and leave when you want them to go! I would estimate that a decent girl at RPs maybe a 8 is earning somewhere between 2000$to4000$ a month! See the difference? There are numerous possibilities if you put your self about in Kiev, many ordinary girls will oblige for a small reward and they go home happy. We don' have to support agencies like Vice Kiev which has to be close to white sex slavery!
Enough of a rant now. Any body in Kiev feb 06 (more than likely middle of the month) who fancys a night outm please pm me. When I was there last I was talking to a Brit who told me they let the locals in (girls) Tuesday, so I said to Natali next time I am in Kiev we will go! She replys as fast lightining, I don't like RP on Tuesdays, which means the 200$ tricks are not plentiful. I was also told that they let the local men in and the girls charge 50$ to them but more for us!
Anybody with any tales to tell about Tuesday nights at RP please post them. So please ladsm do not disturb me about Kiev Post, but I will man the baricades if those students are outside River Palace.
Bandit7[/QUOTE]
Bez, if you do not have a computer and no internet link, there is no way you will know about Gia here other than, perhaps, word of mouth.
They do not advertise or promote themselves anywhere else. For all the time that I have been here, I have never seen them do any promotion outside the net.
Bandit and Volpone. I did not intend to promote the agencies in the Kiev Post but rather a simple warning that things can change here quickly and you can lose sources of information if you are not prepared. If you read the postings in this forum, more than a few mongers have used the Kiev Post (and What's On) as their major source, naively, of English speaking ladies. That the services are mostly crap and they lie about everything is another story. I tried these agencies years ago and they were as horrible then as they still seem to be now.
Service is a word that does not exist in the vocabulary here for most businesses and the sex business is no exception.
These Kiev Post agencies also promote their wares in the local free promotions such as Rio. The only difference is that while the the ladies are the same, the prices are cheaper since this is read mostly by and for locals.
With River Palace, that is another story. What you see is what you get although here, too, quality of what comes later, in bed, also varies widely.
By the way, this $50 charge of RP ladies to locals is nonsense. Unlike Gia which has a two level price structure, the ladies at RP have one charge for all, locals and foreigners.
Hi All,
I will be sharing a lot soon, after having travelled all over Eastern Europe for the last couple of years. I now wonder what hotels in Kiev offer the prettiest girls? I checked hotel RUS a couple of weeks agp, and wasnt sure if the girls there were pro's, and was too drunk to ask :)
Well, will check again next week, anyone needs a wingman?
BS, PM me, so we can catch up in Moldova this weekend
Danny
Uke boy,
I never ment to offend you and accept that for some people Kiev Post is their sole provider of entertainment in Kiev as was the case for myself until one happy day I came across this site on the internet and whole new world opened up! When I come next month I will report on River Palace Tuesday night and bring my new digital camera that Santa Claus brought me. I see Putin has already started to fuck the orange men! It must have been his New Year resulution! That will make things interesting because we all know the ukrainian economy is crap and it won't take long before it is fucked. You have to give Putin credit! First he buys all the spare gas from Turkmenistan denying the Ukraine it, and then wants a 500% price increase and when he gets it how long before the Turks want the same! One last thought: Perhaps we should take an advert in the Kiev Post?
bandit7
Dan11, The best looking girls I found in Kiev were at the strip club at the Dnipro Hotel. Last summer they were about $300 a night, all top shelf.
Do you mean that the dancers in Milenium Club available for sessions? Do you know if you can take them to your room in Dnipro Hotel?
K
[QUOTE=BigthDikth]Dan11, The best looking girls I found in Kiev were at the strip club at the Dnipro Hotel. Last summer they were about $300 a night, all top shelf.[/QUOTE]
Yea, every girl in the club.
I've seem a lot of strippers in my day and that club has it going on.
Yes Klon15 every girl in the Millenium Club of the hotel Dnepro is available for private sessions for a minimum fee of 300 $. It is ok to bring them in your room in the hotel : a) you have not to pay the security b) if it is late at night you spare a lot of time and keep it available for action !
By the way there is another strip club in Kreshatyk on the opposite sidewalk of the Dnipro hotel. Location is on the first floor of the buiding. Entrance is just near a night-cafe open late at night !
Entrance fee was something like 20 $ drink included. I went there because I was seated outside of the night-cafe taking a last drink. Suddenly at around 4 AM I saw a nice,slim, mini-skirted blonde going inside the club. I just followed her in the club some minutes later. It was not openly written “strip-club” outside. There were just 2 tables occupied by locals. And a young girl stripped and danced on the stage. I got a beer and the young blonde showed up on the stage. Her job finished, she came naked to sit on my thighs and rubbed my chest with her breasts (against a modest gift of 20 grivnis). Same process for the next dancer.
The girls were young. They seemed younger than in the Millenium. Less model type like in Millenium, but with very nice and attractive bodies.. And with that kind of sexual or erotic touch which stimulate us men ! at least me.
Market price for bringing one of these 2 devs at home was 300 or 400 $. I do not remember exactly because I just asked for information and was not really interested at this price at 4.3O or 5 AM. It was the opening price and i did not bargain.
I was tired. I basically do not pay such a fee. Risk is too big to be disappointed ! everybody has his “ pain zone “ ! Moreover if I had to pay such a fee I would like to be fresh and have all the night before me !
Hi Folks
Near Maidan is also a nice strip club. It is situated in restaurant L’etoile. This restaurant is on the corner of Maidan and Bogdan Grynchenko vul. I think its number 2. (its 30mtr from mc donalds) I don't know the name of the strip club
When you enter you go down the stairs. There are daily between 8 and 12 girls there. Drinks are much cheaper compared to other strip clubs downtown and the girls go with you to your apartment for $ 150,- 2 hours (but only after 02:00). For me they where good/average-looking girls maximum an 8. Al girls that I’ve seen there where between 18 - 28 and had a slim or sporty body.
Have fun.
Cheers
[QUOTE=Ismael]Hi Folks
Near Maidan is also a nice strip club. It is situated in restaurant L’etoile. This restaurant is on the corner of Maidan and Bogdan Grynchenko vul. I think its number 2. (its 30mtr from mc donalds) I don't know the name of the strip club
When you enter you go down the stairs. There are daily between 8 and 12 girls there. Drinks are much cheaper compared to other strip clubs downtown and the girls go with you to your apartment for $ 150,- 2 hours (but only after 02:00). For me they where good/average-looking girls maximum an 8. Al girls that I’ve seen there where between 18 - 28 and had a slim or sporty body.
Have fun.
Cheers[/QUOTE]
I have used this service all 3 times I have been in Kiev. I always have an apartment right on Independence Square near there and my first night take-out has been from this strip club. Girls are mostly 7 with a few 8 and damm few 9's. Service has always been excellent but I tend to chose carefully and let them know what I expect before I choose. Best I had was 26 and came to Kiev one weekend a month to make money. The rest of the time she lived in a village. She was blond very slim with great service name ????
The name of the strip club is "Tét a Tét". I just remembered! And to add to the post of Just do It, I think that most of the girls who work there are from another village or city in Ukraine. I remember that one was from Poltava and another from Zhytomir.
Cheers
Hello,
I would like to ask experts on Kiev about their opinion on Hotel Mir. Is it possible to hunt inside the hotel (e.g. hotel bar)? Is the hotel girls-friendly? Any recommended place in its vicinity?
Thanks.
I don’t know the Hotel Mir. But I think if you make a reservation for a double room or a junior suit it will not be a problem to bring a girl into your room. As I saw on their website there is also not much difference in their room rates.
Because the Hotel is situated to far from the centre, I don’t think that there will be opportunity to hunt in the Hotel bar for any girls.
The Hotel Mir is situated near Prospekt Nauky. Recently, the German Erik Aigner and a Turkish friend of him opened a new club on this street! I don’t remember the name of club but I can look it up for you if you want. It’s open since 19 th of November 2005. I’m sure here you can hook up with some locals. Especially because it is situated outside of the centre, the prices for drinks are lower which attracts more local girls and not only the high class which goes to Mandarin Plaza and Besarabs’ka Plocha.
Happy Hunting
Sorry Guys for this question. Anybody have information about this Hotel (Girls at Bar, and can I take girls to the Room?) I stay in Kiev from 3-9 Feb.
[QUOTE=Ismael]The Hotel Mir is situated near Prospekt Nauky. Recently, the German Erik Aigner and a Turkish friend of him opened a new club on this street! I don’t remember the name of club but I can look it up for you if you want. It’s open since 19 th of November 2005. I’m sure here you can hook up with some locals. Especially because it is situated outside of the centre, the prices for drinks are lower which attracts more local girls and not only the high class which goes to Mandarin Plaza and Besarabs’ka Plocha.
Happy Hunting[/QUOTE]The club on Prospekt Nauki is called RING ACTION CLUB. I was there before it opened. It's three clubs in one. A discotheque, a jazz club and a strip club. Would be curious to hear if anybody has been there. Cheers.
Hello there.
I will be in Kiev in 1 month so I have the time to try my luck and make some contacts through a dating site I think. Does anyone know any link for this purpose?Ukrainians like to use sites of this type to search for the "Runnaway train" to West I think.
Any help welcome.
Thanks in advance.
What is the best location to stay. I mean close to the action? Also how is the weather in Feb?
On a last minute whim, i decided to visit Kiev for the first time.
I was in Italy for business, and Ukraine air had direct flights so i figured why not!
I was only able to stay in Kiev for 4 days, but i figured it would allow me to get a general feel for the place, and decide if it was worth a longer visit in Summer.
General Impressions:
Ukrainian people are very nice, especially when compared to Russians. Walking around town people were very helpful when i asked for directions, and not once was i bothered by the cops.
City overall is small, and the metro system is quite good and cheap.
I didn't see as many solid 8's and 9's as do in Russia.
Freebie Scene:
Given that i decided to go last minute, i didn't have any girls lined up from the internet. But i figured that i would just meet them at the dance clubs or coffee shops.
My favorite club was Caribbean, because i am Latin, and I was able to work my magic on the dance floor. I would not recommend this club to those who cannot dance.
I also checked out the Arena clubs. They were very nice, and i was able dance and talk to a few pretty girls, but it was not conducive to an easy pick up.
During my first few days i had dissapointing results with girls. I was able to talk to them,get their number, and kiss a few, but not much else. Definately not the easy sex that I was used to in Moscow.
So heading into my last night, I decided to go back to Caribbean to dance salsa and have fun.
When i got to the club, i was surprised to find the place crowded. Then I felt an energy enter my body, and noticed that so many hot girls were looking at me with anticipation. I started dancing with every hot girl in the club. I soon came to realization that I was in the "zone". That night i could do no wrong. So many girls were throwing themselves at me, it was an amazing feeling.
In particular there was this pretty brunette who was all over me. I could have easily have taken her home with me that night. But i would only rate her a 7. Thus i needed to make a decision. Take this girl back to my apartment for guaranteed sex, or drop her and try going after some bigger fish?
In the end i decided to drop her, because i wanted take advantage of having my MOJO at 100%, which is rare.
My gamble soon paid off, when i meet the most amazing girl. She was a solid 9, with long blond hair, amazing body, and beautiful face. The whole package. She even spoke a little spanish, and loved latin culture! I dance with her most of the night. I was having an amazing time!
Then the STRANGEST thing happened...
Out of nowhere, this girl pulls her off me, pushes her towards some other guy, and then latches on to me! She literally starts dry humping me on the dance floor. It was nuts! I tried going back to the blond, but this crazy girl would not let go! The blond, is a little in shock, and so am I. In all my years of partying, nothing like that has every happened before. After a few songs, i am able to pry myself away from her by telling her that i need to use the WC.
I then go back to the Blond. I tell her that i didn't know that crazy girl, but she is miffed. Luckily after another dance and a little kissing i was able to smooth things over.
Unfortunately, that night was my last night, and i needed to catch an early flight. So we sadly exchanged contact info, and I left...
Today, she wrote to me, and said she want to see me again. That alone, justifies a return visit to Kiev!
What an adventure!
Hi Guys,
I'm thinking of coming to Kiev in 2 weeks, and wanted to know if this is a good time. Would like to meet semi-pros or non-pros easily, and get laid. Any tips?
Bart
Hi all,
I just wanted to beg for some information on Saunas in Kiev.
There is some old info in some of the older posts but nothing up to date.
How exactly do they work? Do they have girls on staff that you can choose from or are they incall?
How exactly does it all work?
Does anyone have some names and possibly addresses of any places and what do they usually charge for al of the services?
I have never tried one before but will be showing some friends around and want to sshow them a bit of variety other than River palace for a sure thing.
Thanks,
Alphamale
112 is a very small club based in a cellar in the Arena entertainment centre. It’s a nice club to hang around, but I don’t think it’s a good club to score. Because it is to small, it is to crowded and the music is played to loud. Then you can better go to the Orangeria, Arena club, PatiPa, Caribbean or the new club named Ring Action Club.
The disco/club in the Ring Action Club is the biggest in Kiev at the moment. I’m sure there are a lot of non-pro’s hanging around there.
Cheers
Go to Shooters, they actively discourage the pro and semi pro scene. The Arena City complex is a beacon for Western spoiled girls; pro and non pro. When you find a club with a lot of young male locals and a high ratio 60f to 40m. You've found a non working girl local disco. You can also try the clubs on the Left Bank too.
If you are looking for Ukrainian girls who are going to drop to their knees because you are a Westerner you either need to build a time machine if you want to stay in Kiev. Or you need to go to the other cities in the Ukraine. Other things to factor in is if you are Brad Pitt's twin or have an 'A' game - otherwise bring your wallet. Kiev, unfortunately or fortunately - depending on your outlook, has become like any other 2nd rate Western European city, well, without any of the service.
Hey, this a general note to all...
Has anyone had bad sex in the Ukraine?? In all my experiences both pro and non pro I've never had a girl who didn't work as hard as she possibly could to get me off.
I'll try and get a Kiev report off before I leave, but don't count on it...;)
[QUOTE=Vincevoyeur]Have you got some comments on 112 club in Kiev where you can find russians girls non-pros easily ?[/QUOTE]
Cruiser D:
You may have thought it wasnt possible... but yes, there is bad sex in the Ukraine. I've had it. At least once. :)
112:
Havent been there often, but it does lack the debauched chaotic flair that 111 had in my opinion.
Anybody been to 112 on a Tuesday night? Tuesday nights at 111 were pure heaven. Or any other current experience regarding particular non-weekend nights which are particularly good for non-pro action at certain clubs?
Cruiser D - I can vouch for bad sex in Ukraine too, including when the girl was trying her best. More than once now I think about it, as its far more annoying than bad sex in London! I've also experienced the overnight bait and switch, when I've gone to bed drunk with someone stunning and woken up with a hangover and a dog - not sure that's unique to Ukraine though.
Doctor S - Like you I lament the passing of 111, especially for popcorn night. As far as I can tell early week options are really poor at the moment, I haven't found a club I'd reccomend on either Monday or Tuesday over my last few visits. 112 is not quite as debaunched as 111 (less groups of girls out together just out for a laugh - more couples and groups of friends), but I've been several times on Friday and Saturday and really rate it - once it gets full it's got a good "pit" atmosphere and stays busy until at least 3-4am.
To be honest IMHO Arena is probably the best club option early week, and whilst attitude of the girls there isn't as stuck up as over the weekend, I still find their initial attitude a little over-putting (although easier to overcome). To be honest I've quite warmed to Arena in recent visits, especially for early week visits. If it's a bust, I can just go and play poker which keeps me happy.
The other option I've resorted too recently is 44 - the bands that play are awful, but its usually quite busy and I've had fair success in getting numbers for dates later in the week. I actually really like the place just as a bar. I also quite like one of Eric's other places, Orekh - again, not a pro-place at all, but like all other bars charm and a bit of confidence (and a slightly thick skin) can reap rewards later in the week if not that night. Not really found a bar that I like as much as Dino's (I think that was it's name), so if anyone has any normal bar reccomendations, I'm all ears.
The Shooters claim of actively discouraging a pro-scene may be true, but I'm fairly dubious about the semi-pro scene not existing there (it does!). Regardless, I've always liked the place, but I would only rate is as worth going to from Wednesday onwards - I personally rate it as the best option on Thursday in Kiev (maybe along with Orangeria).
112 is interesting on a Thursday, although this is based on a sample of one evening. It's free entry and free drinks before 11pm for girls and guys aren't allowed in until after 11pm. A couple of Kiev visits ago I was cutting through the Arena complex around 11.30pm when two gorgeous creatures stumbled out absolutely shit-faced (as in they stumbled out and threw up everywhere). Being a man of absolutely no moral fibre in the slightest I thought - drunken beautiful women.... I'm there. Inside was one of the more bizarre scenes - drunken women abound but it was like the weekly meeting of Kiev's uglier women! Either great bodies and hideous faces, lovely faces and hideous bodies or, that rare Kiev beast, complete Kiev fuglies. Once I had adjusted to the bizarre scene I actually stayed and had a great night - a lot of fun and no attitude from the girls. I went home with a good looking freebie whose main attraction was that she was around incredibly short (4ft 4/5 ish!)...as I said, I'm not expecting to win the Roberto Clemente humanitarian of the year award for my morality.....
....and bizarrely, it was during that very night that my very short good looking freebie was switched for her ugly sister that I woke up with.
snowy... somehow I think you and doc are talking about two different levels of "BAD SEX"!
Unfortunately, too many girls who work for a long time become jaded and the real find is a gem who has only been in the biz a short time... IMHO, that is when you have the best chance to get a girl who will become the ultimate GFE!
As I have discovered in the last few months, there are many many girls in Ukraine and probably Russia as well who will gladly perform IF they are presented with the opportunity.
When I first moved to ODS, I was in the Moscow mode... Clubs, i.e. NF, CF, tochkas, strip clubs, etc. and other than the occasional newbie from CF or a tochka, it was becoming very bad to be a monger... Covered BJ, clock watching, no passion, few orgasms... even fake ones!
What I have discovered is a new environment in ODS... True, the "pros" are here who demand exactly the same as in Moscow, but for about 1/2 to 1/3 the price, BUT more importantly, there is a HUGE pool of new talent who will jump at the opportunity to make a few grivna if it doesn't mean she has to walk the street or stand around obviously in a club. The last week, I have been fortunate to share my bed with several girls who enjoyed being here, PLUS, they brought a friend for my friend... Time? between 1 and 2 hours, but could have been longer if we desired... Cost? 150 grivna... $30.
Now before I build up your expectations, I must say that these girls are not available on the street, web, clubs and, no, I will not give out their names or numbers. BUT, there are hundreds of similar girls here who will gladly spend their time with you for $50 to $100 without the hassles and attitude I experienced the last few months in Moscow and who will gladly come back the next night if you want to see them...
So, IMHO, Kiev has rapidly advanced to near Moscow prices and near Moscow attitude... which is too bad because I never had the opportunity to experience that beautiful city. HOWEVER, I think I may have gotten lucky because from Moscow I skipped over the next city in line, Kiev, and moved straight to Odessa which is less developed and is still in it's enfancy compared to Moscow and Kiev, but that means that costs are less for everything, food, beer, accommodations and... girls! :)
So, I say don't "Go West"... "GO SOUTH"!!!!
I'll be here waiting!
I plan to be in Kyiv for a week in Feb and again in March.
Love to hook up with fellow mongers. PM me if you plan to be there too.
Which clubs are hot for semi-pro action?
Last summer I visited Arena and 112. Caribean was great as always-full most nights
I enjoyed club 44 -just a regular pub/bar thorugh
Any new clubs in Kyiv?
When working Arena it helps to have more attitude then the girls; trust me, it works wonders.
For those of you who have been from Kiev too long, the view from my apartment.
Damn, it was cold last night. Why do I keep coming back to Kiev in the winter..Alena, Oksana, Julia, Svetlana, Olga, Tanya, Anna, Ludmila...
Anyone else see Sacha Dith's video 'Russian Girls' and get that knowing smile?
CAT - Semi Pro's are the only way to go.
Snowy - You can find semi pro's anywhere in Kiev. Including spots you would never think, like TGIF.
Dr S - I haven't been to 112 yet. I think locking someone in a crowded basements room full of smoke and pounding music is a form of torture they use at Gitmo. However I did try to go there Monday with two girls in tow. But the doorman wouldn't let the girls in because from what I understand it was Erotic night and there were female strippers inside. So we headed over to Carribean and the girls got into the latin groove. I didn't realize club choices were so limited on monday night. From what I understand the choices were 112 (later), Carribean or RP.
Uke Boy - Is Inga PSE still working?
Travel Male - Post something you lurker..;)
CAT - I would love to get down to Odessa, but unfortunately my work is fairly focussed in Kiev; I'm planning to make my way down to the Crimea during the summer and am looking forward to a change of Ukrainian scenery.
I would agree that Kiev has changed dramatically from a monger perspective in the last few years and nearly exclusively for the worse - it was always going to go that way and the new visa laws simply accelerated things.
That said opportunities outside of P4P are still abundant if you put the effort in and you have the time to follow up, especially moving outside of the club scene as the point of first contact (Cruiser - I'd agree semi-pro is good, but non-pro is better).
A lot of the new first time visitors seem pretty one dimensional in their approach - talk to the girls and they're pretty bored of the same approaches and attitudes from foreigners. In some ways the influx of new people has actually made it easier to differentiate yourself, especially with a bit of Russian and the ability to have a more sophisticated approach than "Do you speak English?" and "How much?" (not so popular with the regular girls).
Things may be worse, but it still isn't like Moscow in my opinion - Kiev is still a lot cheaper (maybe not for P4P, but in nearly all other things) and whilst attitudes of many are decidingly more money orientated, I think it has a long way to go to hit Moscow standards. Obviously as compared to Moscow there are no-where near as many options for...well, everything, but you can still find quite a few really good cheap bars and restaurants, especially once you start venturing outside of the epicentre.
I still think Kiev has a couple of years left as a good place to visit, but not much longer.
snowy... no question that when work calls you go... Whether it is Moscow, Kiev or Dallas. However, if you have a spare weekend or a few extra days and you're in Kiev, Odessa is not too far away and IMHO it will soon become a destination rather than a side trip. The next few years here will be prime time simply because right now ODS is not one of those "discovered" places, i.e. Prague, Riga, Kyiv, that have been ruined by overexposure.
Snowy:
I hear you on the doom of Kiev as a monger's and playboy's paradise but also agree that we can still function and succeed there with the application of superior cultural understanding, language skills and understanding of what makes the Slavic girl tick.
As an example, many people are writing off Moscow as a dyev hunting ground, but I am getting as much poon as ever there and quite frankly, the quality of girl I am getting is improving with my skills. There is no reason why others in a similar position cant do the same or better and no reason why Kiev must be different than Moscow in that sense, except for the fact that Kiev has more overt sex tourists than Moscow.
Nonetheless, weekend and holiday mongers will never tap more than 10% of Kiev's available dyevki as they will hit the same prominent nightspots again in again in a swarthy assault on both the patience of the girls, the reputation of the clubs and the olfactory senses of all. They will effectively ruin these easy-access type clubs for all and if trend holds, the quality of girl going to these clubs will steadily decline. Weekend and holiday mongers generally lack the knowledge and courage to think outside of the box, so it does leave plenty of playing ground for the more skilled and informed. Who dares wins.
Odessa:
Odessa is definitely worth a trip in the spring or summer but I feel it necessary to add a degree of caution to the euphoria of those believing that Odessa is a free all you can eat dyev orgy in terms of freebies.
Ca_T sounds like he is onto something really great regarding p4p semi-pro and pro action, but the freebie scene is in fact already very developed in a negative way, at least in terms of clubs and discos, especially in the summer. Not as bad as Riga or Prague, but Odessa is not a secret location by any means.
Odessa's club and dating scene already suffers to a significant degree from summer holiday invaders from Europe, particularly Italian sex tourists and spend-happy aging Italian girl sponsors (no offense Italian friends) and naive Anglo bride hunters (no offense American and English compatriots), who have already clued in the local dyevs that foreign guys mean $$$ and gifts.
That said, I'll also follow my credo borrowed from the SAS... who dares wins... and sacrifice my body and patience threshold by throwing myself again into the fray and hitting those Odessan beaches again in the summer. I'll also make sure to go early in the season before the Italians have their holidays and while the girls have yet to realize their inflationary market value and rediscover those morals they misplaced...
...in any case, if going to Odessa to chase freebies, bring your best game because playing games is exactly what the dyevs are doing.
I have had the most fantastic luck in Kiev in regard to regular girls. I am in a groove where I can seemly do no wrong. I actually plan on getting married several times this trip, renouncing my American citizenship and moving to a country where they allow more the one wife.
The only real disappointment this trip has been the Boat. I've never failed to pull some great action out of there for under $150. This trip so far I've gone twice and had an offer of $150 for an hour of power - she started at $300 and I just smiled and chuckled and a second initial offer of $300 that I never really followed up on. I think subconsciously I'm beyond the Boat. Because before I used to go in there solo like a hunter stalking his prey. With an immediate second and third target picked out if I missed my first shot. On my most recent trip - last night; I was playing a few rounds of golf on my Razr at one of the tables while watching the paid club dancers. Travel Male was sitting next to me telling me that we had to leave because they didn't have any green chi. Another buddy was downstairs closing a deal. Of course on a side note most of the talent I've pulled from the Boat in previous trip are now more then happy to meet for $100 for a few hours of fun. The Boat is passe, girls start at $300+ because guys just off the boat are paying it - I think instead of saying, is this your first trip to Kiev, they now say $300 as a litmus test. $60-100 apartments are where it's at now. ;)
Dr S - Kiev is where it's at for a playboy destination. It's like taking a time warp back to the 50-60's as far as female-male mentality goes. You got the game and you can be Hef very easily. And for those of you with more money then game, that works too. But hey, that works anywhere. As far as p4p action - get away from the marquee destinations and you will do well - which I am sure you already know. I haven't had bad sex in the Ukraine but I always have a good knack for picking the right filly - when I do I will be sure to post it here with a tear in my eye.
The gas crisis isn't over by a long shot. Combine that with the goverment chaos and inflation that is about to hit and the Ukraine is in for a bumpy ride. Everyone grab a seat, your favorite Ukrainian girl or two and hold on.
[QUOTE=Snowy]CAT - I would love to get down to Odessa, but unfortunately my work is fairly focussed in Kiev; I'm planning to make my way down to the Crimea during the summer and am looking forward to a change of Ukrainian scenery.
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I still think Kiev has a couple of years left as a good place to visit, but not much longer.[/QUOTE]
CruiserD:
Glad to hear your positive report on Kiev as a playboy destination... I like it that way.... :) Say hi to TravMale from me.
I agree with Snowy however that things are changing and will change for the worse middle-term... I suggest that those that can, get what they can while the going's good.... like you are doing right now.
As for Kiev and p4p, that's never been my forte.... especially after the recent price hikes.
I've seen the Sasha Dith video and have the entertaining but silly and ultimately stupid mp3... I prefer the real thing... and cycling through the names in my sleep... Katya, Oksana, Lena... like counting sheep, except it doesnt induce sleep...
doc... can't argue with you on the freebie scene in ODS because I really haven't gone after that market, of course with the couple extra decades I have on you, it is much more difficult for me from the git-go...
However, about the P4P, IF and that's a big IF this guy does what he says he will do, the pressure relief of having a very beautiful girl at a reasonable price MAY take the pressure off and allow you to do your best work on the freebie scene... It is like having a shot or two of courage before you hit the clubs to loosen up your wit... Except in this case, instead of having a "shooter" you'll be doing the "shooting"! :)
Anybody know anything about what is going on here now? Last time I went it was dead. Anything else similar now?
I owe all my luck and mojo in the current p4p scene to Traveling Male. I think he subscribes to every questionable rag in Kiev and works the internet like a CIA data mining team. He went from, 'gee, I wish I could speak Russian' in May to being quite the operator now. This summer when you see someone cruising down Khreshatyck in a '76 Pink ElDorado drop top with three girls it will be TM. Just remember to wave and he might give you a toot.
Of course things are changing in the p4p scene. Sexpats will continue to drive the price of the hot jaded Kiev girls up while the more experience will be stuck with the equally hot girls coming in from the other cities in Ukraine. Eventually McAmerica will take over (like everywhere else on this planet) but it will be a while in coming. Kiev is 'ok' but the rest of the country is a mess. But don't worry I heard CAT is already scouting places in Siberia. ;)
As far as the non p4p scene goes, who and what you are will never change. Base on that and a lil bit of luck (good or bad) gives you your results in that scene.
Russian girls really do deserve the homage given to them in that video. These hot Slav southern sisters seem to be the driving force behind the Kiev economy. Now that is a renewable natural resource I can live with...I'd pass on the .mp3, but I'll be looking for the .mpg when I get back to my big pipe at home.
It's going to be -32c tonight. Time for me to find a hot body or two to keep me warm. Everyone have a good night.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]CruiserD:
Glad to hear your positive report on Kiev as a playboy destination... I like it that way.... :) Say hi to TravMale from me.
I agree with Snowy however that things are changing and will change for the worse middle-term... I suggest that those that can, get what they can while the going's good.... like you are doing right now.
As for Kiev and p4p, that's never been my forte.... especially after the recent price hikes.
I've seen the Sasha Dith video and have the entertaining but silly and ultimately stupid mp3... I prefer the real thing... and cycling through the names in my sleep... Katya, Oksana, Lena... like counting sheep, except it doesnt induce sleep...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]But don't worry I heard CAT is already scouting places in Siberia. ;)[/QUOTE]Hey, keep that a secret! I don't want my favorite place muscovitizing, or going western, any soon :D. Well, thank god the language barrier still keeps most mongers out of there! Only a crash in the price of oil will throw Moscow, Kiev and Piter back to the good old 90s.
CD... I think I must have had a senior moment... I'm not scouting Siberia... I am scouting See-beer-I-a'-... wanna takka you home'a! :)
Actually, it is TOO DAMN COLD in Siberia... In Moscow... In Kiev...
In fact, right this minute with record cold here, it is too damn cold in Odessa!
BUT, in a few weeks it will be warm and the sidewalk cafes will be out and then it it heaven!
Come to the Black Sea for adventure... Forget about Siberia and you don't even need a visa!
Guys,
Someone was asking about bad sex in UA. I just posted this some weeks ago.
[QUOTE=Tungstenine]Hello Guys,
I called Kiev Beauties yesterday and ask for who was available for a couple of hours. Since their website went down approximately at the same time I was about to call, I had to look at the pictures from my temporary internet files to figure out which girl is which.
Anyway, I asked for Nastya and Zhenia who were not available and I was told Marina could be here in one hour. I said OK and 20 minutes later she came. I was impressed but not completely ready yet. She was cute, slim and tall but did not have a toned body which is surprising knowing she is only 18!
Anyhow, just to tell you guys that I think I have had the worst experience ever with a girl... There was no charming, no teasing, no kissing, no a lot of touching. CBJ was only teeth, I was actually scared that it would tear during sex. She took control and only objective was to finish the job. When done, she ran to the shower.
After first round, I was not even sure I wanted more but gave her a chance! Maybe she could work it out for a second round. So we chitchat for a while, talking about school and cellphones... After 10-15 minutes, I just said if you want to leave you can go and I don't even remember seing her leave the place! She was gone in under 1 second.
For my first experience with Kiev Beauties, I must admit I was really disapointed. It was my 5th time in Kiev, I had some girls from Moda Bar, Arena, River Palace a couple of in-calls from [url]www.sexlady.kiev.ua[/url]
They were all a lot better looking than Marina from KB and surely a lot more fun to be with GFE.
Thanks guys to share similar or, more importantly, better experiences with KievBeauties.[/QUOTE]
However, I must admit that almost all sex I have had in UA was close to GFE. Nothing replaces a GF that gives you a BJ because she really wants to please you but it was close with some girls in Kiev.
There is one situation I am having difficulty to understand and wanted to share with you. I have met a girl in October that I have seen maybe 6-7 times in 3 months. I was in Kiev 2-3 days every month.
We have become more and more intimate, she invited me to her appartment and even cooked for me !!!
It became as close as possible to a real GF-BF relationship with her asking for money once in a while.
I decided to invite her to a week of vacation in a paradise Island where I did almost anything and bought everything she wanted. Maybe I spoiled her too much.
However, for a strange reason, the more we became intimate (sleeping together in each others arms, talking about life) the more distant she becomes in sex. She does not want me to DFK or DATY anymore...
If some of you guys have developed a more intimate relationship with a Kiev girl and would share experience with me, feel free to PM me !
The latest rumour I heard...and it's just a rumour was that it was closed.
[QUOTE=TheGuyFromNY]Anybody know anything about what is going on here now? Last time I went it was dead. Anything else similar now?[/QUOTE]
One of my buddies also had a bad experience with Kiev Beauties. He ordered a girl for $500USD, which one would think would land you Miss Kiev. But instead he said they sent him the dog of the week who was dressed like a slob and needed to brush her teeth. He sent her packing of course.
[QUOTE=Tungstenine]I called Kiev Beauties yesterday (...) I was told Marina could be here in one hour. I said OK and 20 minutes later she came. I was impressed but not completely ready yet. She was cute, slim and tall but did not have a toned body which is surprising knowing she is only 18!
(...) Thanks guys to share similar or, more importantly, better experiences with KievBeauties.
[/QUOTE]
I had similar bad experience with Nadia from KievBeauties. I paid her $100 for a 2 hours booking (price in may 2005, now KievBeauties is twice as expensive) but let her go after 45mn. She's no more on their website but maybe it was the same girl ?
She was blond, 19 y.o., slim, 172 cm, around 50 kg, small breasts, pointed nose, good looking, good english. In the beginning she got quickly naked and even more quicklier disappeared when I told her she could go if she didn't like it.
Did Marina look like her photos ? [url]http://www.kievbeauties.kiev.ua/en/profile/?id=43[/url]
Actually these are photos stolen from [url]http://www.met-art.com[/url] (model Natasha). Here is the original photoset : [url]http://www10.kinghost.com/teen/sweets/met_natasha.htm[/url] (scroll down to the middle of the page). The girls must protect their privacy but it's not a reason for using another girl's photo.
Tanya (from KievBeauties) has also fake photos (she's got smaller tits) but she looks really good and is nice.
About a year and a half ago [url]www.desiredstars.com[/url] was called Starsfromheaven.co.uk
And they had the most beautiful girl in the world called LIDA
Here are her pics
[url]http://www.escortforum.com/gallery.php?lng=it&escort_id=1318&popup=yes[/url]
I procrastinated and she now unavailable and a has a full time boyfriend that is what I was told by the site.
Where could I get gorgeous Ukranian ladies for a $1000 dollars a week, or economic reforms have improved wages in Ukraine?
[QUOTE=Dant75]Did Marina look like her photos ? [url]http://www.kievbeauties.kiev.ua/en/profile/?id=43[/url]
Actually these are photos stolen from [url]http://www.met-art.com[/url] (model Natasha). Here is the original photoset : [url]http://www10.kinghost.com/teen/sweets/met_natasha.htm[/url] (scroll down to the middle of the page). The girls must protect their privacy but it's not a reason for using another girl's photo.[/QUOTE]Dant75,
Wow, you are good having found that. I must admit I tried really hard to see if the pictures were really from the same girl that was in my appartment.
Now that I can see her face, I can confirm it is not her at all. Her body looks similar, but her face was far from the pictures from met-art. She also had a little more fat on the hips and thighs.
Send me Natasha next time and I will not complain !
If you can find other girls from Kiev Beauties that come from another site, please post info.
With all that information I am wondering, does someone can confirm having had a great experience with KievBeauties?
[QUOTE=Dant75]I had similar bad experience with Nadia from KievBeauties. I paid her $100 for a 2 hours booking (price in may 2005, now KievBeauties is twice as expensive) but let her go after 45mn. She's no more on their website but maybe it was the same girl?
She was blond, 19 y.o., slim, 172 cm, around 50 kg, small breasts, pointed nose, good looking, good english. In the beginning she got quickly naked and even more quicklier disappeared when I told her she could go if she didn't like it.[/QUOTE]I did not answer to your first question. According to your description, it could have been the same girl. She was tall, slim but not toned, 19 y.o. around 50kg, pointed nose, but not good looking to me and functional english. However, she told me she was new to the game and was a student in economics. Difficult to confirm without pictures from Nadia? Anyone?
Was in Kiev for just 3 days not so long time ago.
Had to work during the day and no time to go hunting in the night, called agency in the evening and asked to send me girl.
Super time with Masha (Black hair curled) and Olga (Skinny girl)
They were 150 $ for 2 hours. Forgot the name of the agency, but you can find in "Kiev Post" many.
Here is Olga, was 21 but looks younger.
On a recent trip through kiev I sent a SMS message to Gia at 0200 to inquire about an apartment and girl for the following day. Whithin an hour I received a reply that this would be possible - just call them. I did and arranged a really nice apartment for $100 on Mikhailovsky - a few blocks off of Kreschatik. Much nicer than the overpriced hotel I paid twice as much for. Originally the girl I wanted wasn't available - and they offered another girl - Galina. At little before 2100 (an EARLY escort!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) TINA showed up at the apartment. O.K., not Galina - Tina - but hey she is cute. Looks just like her pictures on Gia's site. Small blond, itty bitty titties, firm body and she is fun. Doesn't speak english and FORGOT condoms. So have a few on hand. I left at 0600 and she stayed in the apartment and "locked up" for me. Overall a nice experience. $100 for apartment $260 for Tina for almost 10 hours.
Well, I hope you had a nice experience because USD 260 is well above a normal month wage in Kiev! I hope you shagged her many times and also got her ass! ;)
Prices are obviously climbing.... *sweat*
//Felix
P.s. Happy mongering everybody
Member #2479 buddy,
A very interesting question.
Is it really possible to get a girl for 7 days at US$1.000,00 ?? Just Woow !?!
Please do inform me, should you have the contact. Thanks. Is it just for local consumption, within Ukraine only, or can she be taken & enjoyed internationally ??
My last experience with a Ukrainian Beauty, and I really mean a superb well built young natural blonde smart student 21 years old 1.80meters with a 35C cup, and sex front + backdoor 3 times @ day for 7days in Bali Island, Indonesia, was provided by Yuriy of the escort.odessa.ua, at US$3,200.00 excluding her airfare.
Okay buddy, do hope that you got the answer and, in turn, I can also benefit from it accordingly.
Ciao,
Pete33
[QUOTE=Member #2479]About a year and a half ago [url]www.desiredstars.com[/url] was called Starsfromheaven.co.uk
And they had the most beautiful girl in the world called LIDA
Here are her pics
[url]http://www.escortforum.com/gallery.php?lng=it&escort_id=1318&popup=yes[/url]
I procrastinated and she now unavailable and a has a full time boyfriend that is what I was told by the site.
Where could I get gorgeous Ukranian ladies for a $1000 dollars a week, or economic reforms have improved wages in Ukraine?[/QUOTE]
Of course it's possible. I've heard from a few girls that they are being sponsored in Kiev for 1k/month.
The question is, after the 2nd day do you have to pay her another 1k to leave? ;)
If you had asked the girl Pete, I'm sure you would have found Yuri was keeping at least half of what you paid, probably much more then half.
If you were doing your own hunting in Kiev you would have found 3.2k would have bought you the hottest of the hot girls for a month.
Gents,
This is my first report so, in the ISG spirit of paying you guys back for all those man-years spent report-writing and bed-wrecking , I hope to return the favor and I hope you find this info from today's "Financial Times" helpful:
Delta Airlines will launch flights between New York and Kiev next summer. The airline plans to operate 5 round trips a week starting June 5, 2006. Eastbound services will leave JFK at 5:40pm arriving in Kiev at 10:25am the next day.
Westbound flights will depart at 12:35 pm and arrive in New York at 4pm the same day.
Live a Good Life, Without Regret, and Die With a Smile on Your Face!
[QUOTE=Tungstenine]According to your description, it could have been the same girl (...) Difficult to confirm without pictures from Nadia? Anyone?
(...) If you can find other girls from Kiev Beauties that come from another site, please post info.
With all that information I am wondering, does someone can confirm having had a great experience with KievBeauties?
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Nadia is not Marina. I have submitted Nadia's photo to Tungstenine (photos from KievBeauties website, I saved her photos before her profile was removed, they used to show real ones) and it wasn't the same girl he met. I had good time with Tanya (nice girl but not exactly GFE), she has smaller tits and slightly bigger ass than her fake photos, but she's still very pretty.
Marina from KievBeauties : [url]http://www.kievbeauties.kiev.ua/en/profile/?id=43[/url] ($200 / 2 hours)
Natasha from Met-Art : [url]http://www10.kinghost.com/teen/sweets/met_natasha.htm[/url] (already mentionned)
Anya from KievBeauties : [url]http://www.kievbeauties.kiev.ua/en/profile/?id=36[/url] ($200 / 2 hours)
Veronika from Met-Art : [url]http://www.teenpalaceproductions.com/galls/met/veronikathunder/thunderblonde38.htm[/url]
Liliya from KievBeauties : [url]http://www.kievbeauties.kiev.ua/en/profile/?id=44[/url] ($300 / 2 hours)
Andrea from Met-Art : [url]http://www.chicasbonitas.net/galerias/05_04/Andrea/index.htm[/url]
Alesya from KievBeauties : [url]http://www.kievbeauties.kiev.ua/en/profile/?id=22[/url] ($500 / 2 hours !)
Liza from Met-Art : [url]http://hosted.met-art.com/generated_gallery/hosted/10146/10146.htm[/url]
At least KievBeauties has good taste and choosed the finest erotic material on the web ! (MET = Most Erotic Teens, all above 18 y.o.)
It wasn't easy to find. The photos are blurred, I recognized the real models because they are rather famous ones but spent some time finding the original photosets. I didn't find out the other photos but I guess they are 100% fake. I don't think anybody would like to pay $200 / $500 to see if the real girl looks as good as a met-art model.
I don't know what is worst, going to JFK for Delta or Heathrow for BA. ;)
Well, at least it's another choice.
[QUOTE=Certainlee]Gents,
This is my first report so, in the ISG spirit of paying you guys back for all those man-years spent report-writing and bed-wrecking , I hope to return the favor and I hope you find this info from today's "Financial Times" helpful:
Delta Airlines will launch flights between New York and Kiev next summer. The airline plans to operate 5 round trips a week starting June 5, 2006. Eastbound services will leave JFK at 5:40pm arriving in Kiev at 10:25am the next day.
Westbound flights will depart at 12:35 pm and arrive in New York at 4pm the same day.
Live a Good Life, Without Regret, and Die With a Smile on Your Face![/QUOTE]
I am officially calling for a boycott of River Palace by all members of ISG!
None of my trips to the Boat during my current stay in Kiev have been anything to write about. But during my last trip, Thrusday night, I went with noted ISG members Traveling Male and Barton Junk. Being Barton's first night and first time in Kiev where else could we go? I figured end of the month (rent due) and during the winter off season hunting would be good. Boy, was I wrong; first the ratio of girls/guys was around 55/45 and during the course of my stay there I actually saw guys dancing with guys on the dance floor?! River Palace has turned into a joke of itself. During my other trips to Kiev and visits to RP I have always noted many happy couples leaving together often during the course of the night. But I noticed this time that there were actually very few couples headed out the door together. Has RP becoming some stop on an international sex history tour - ' Yes, ladies and gentleman. This is the famous River Palace. Look at the hot slavic girls displayed in their finest. Shaking their booty in front of the mirrors for your and their enjoyment - Look but please don't touch or feed the girls.' Will the easy access p4p market check itself before it wrecks itself or is it already too late!? Hopefully the bubble will pop on the real estate market and p4p market at the same time. Otherwise Kiev will be nothing more then a good stop for playboys, serial daters and serious wife hunters. Casual P4P hunters with more brains then money put a big red X through Kiev!
Cruiser the s report on the River Palace is unfortunately correct and now will add Thursday to Friday and Saturday as nights to avoid the boat like the plague! but boycott! it is ok for guys who spend weeks at a time there, they can find alternatives! but what about us who come for 4-5 days! everyone knows 100% of the girls in the boat are p4p. What are the alternatives arena? moda bar? What ratios there? it will soon be cheaper to book gia all night 260$ take them to the river palace and bring back! the girls at river palace have become greedy! will be there next month so if anyone has alternatives please post! good report dant75 about kiev beauties and there picture problems!
Bandit7
Hey Cruiser
I'm happy to join the boycott (that's 3 visits from me they'll never see again - see them tremble!), although I doubt it will make any difference - the problem is reaching non-readers of the ISG who flock there as it is the only place they know and it's the only words of English all taxi drivers speak. Personally I've always liked the idea of calling a meeting in the downstairs bar at RP around midnight with all men there and getting everyone to agree a $50 limit for the night - United We Stand!
Out of interest why do you think people weren't hooking up - no girls worth hooking up with, girls pricing themselves too high, guys not approaching girls as they were just there to look or something else?
I was concerned about guys dancing with guys....surely RP's clientele haven't turned?!
To be honest I love that RP exists - it gathers up a lot of mongers who will overpay in one place and keeps them away from other places I might be.
Bandit7 - it's hard to put a precise ratio on the proportion of P4P girls in Moda , but assuming things are as they were before the refurbishment the ratio is somewhere between 99.8-100%. This is just a rough estimate though.
Hey Guys which Boat were you on? I've been hanging out at the RP all week and it's business as usual and as for 2 guys dancing together I saw that and the ones I saw were young Ukrainian guys who were a bit drunk thats all. Maybe some of the girls there require a little attention, like conversation for example, before they decide whether they are going to work or not. Try the Sports Bar downstairs between 11-12 on a Wednesday night, theres usually a lot of girls in there who have checked in early to get the free admission to the Nightclub.A little conversation and a couple of drinks can work wonders.
i hear you cd, the latest reports have been disturbing, even though every girl i've had from rp was great... but i havent been there since early 2005, never paid more than $150, didnt pick the flashiest girls and left empty-handed on the majority of my trips there. if i dont get a good vibe from a girl there (and when she opens up with a quote of $250+ it gives me a bad vibe straight off) i forget her and move on.
i cant stand situations where i have to ask myself "who is fucking whom?" and the answer is a self-reflective "she's fucking you". kind of takes the fun out of the fuck if you ask me.
i agree with b7 though, there arent any alternative conceptually perfect arrangements equalling rp's convenience for the short-term visitor... which is part of the problem, rp essentially doesnt have a real rival to keep prices honest.... or does it? moda? arena? not really.
instead of boycotting rp why dont we just rent a submarine and tor**** it, sending kiev's collective integrity-void pros to the bottom of the river, making room for other girls?
i also like snowy's idea... getting about 20 isg members together and going to rp and trying to teach the girls (or management or whomever is setting prices) a lesson. of course it'd be like dieppe and we'd fail miserably against the onslaught of cash-happy businessmen that frequent the place, but it'd still feel great to see a few very confused and disappointed dyev faces... provided we could get their made over hardened professional demeanor to crack.
[quote=doctor_skank]instead of boycotting rp why dont we just rent a submarine and tor**** it, sending kiev's collective integrity-void pros to the bottom of the river, making room for other girls?[/quote]
what i love most about this idea is that it actually seems viable in ukraine. whilst russia and ukraine are having their lighthouse spat in crimea, i'm sure all kiev board members could club together and make an attractive offer to a bored sub commander who hasn't been paid in a couple of months....maybe cat could make some polite enquiries since he's down that way?
Over a year ago, I already posted the same remarks about RP. I left RP with empty hands and ended up in Moda Bar.
Since then, on my subsequent visits, I didn't return to RP so I'm part of the boycott already.
There are tons of other places you can go and find pros or semi-pros, maybe not as good looking as at RP, but we all learned that the best looking is rarely the best girl in bed (or on the kitchen table ;)). Girls in Moda Bar are pros, but the music is just too loud to stay for a long time.
In the last few years, I've also been to Arena, Chaikovsky, Chicago, FreeDom, Gorod, Joss, Opium, Rest Town, Tato. I've spotted at Arena and Gorod some girls I saw before in RP. There were always some pros there. I didn't have a chance to visit Ring Action Club yet (a new club), but will do so in March-April.
There are still some opportunities in Kiev.
Jim
PS: I'm surprised by some negative comments about Desired Stars a few posts below. I always had a good experience with them (seen 3 of their girls so far, and a friend of mine also seen 2, none being a disapointment).
I noticed that KievBeauties have revamped their website since I was in Kiev in late 2004. It is a shame that they have included some fake photos. However, until recently they did still have some real photos on there. When I booked two girls from this agency two years ago, I hadn't seen the website and when I later checked, surprisingly one of the girls was on the website. She's been taken from there now though. However, I suspect the less professional pics might be real - maybe the one of Liza?
[QUOTE=Bandit7] What are the alternatives arena? moda bar? What ratios there?
Bandit7[/QUOTE]Bandit,
I have been to Moda Bar several times and can confirm that they are not all p4p. In fact, I even dated the security girl at Moda Bar and she was far from being a p4p. I also met 2 students that were not there for money at all. It's difficult to set a ratio, but for me, it was more like 50 % than 99 % !
I cannot confirm about Arena, but not 100 % p4p for sure.
Guys, any info on Patipa ? Is it a good pickup place ? It seems to me it is more of a normal place for locals to go out. Could be one of the best places for non-pros ?
I stay in Kiev from 3-9 Feb. Anyone would like to meet me for a drink and hunting for girls.
greetings from Vienna
I usually go to the Boat wearing a Members Only jacket and a $100 bill taped to my forehead. I then to go each and every girl and say loudly in my best Russian accent, "How-a much-o, me American-o" while pumping my right index finger into a cirlce made by my thumb and index finger on my left hand. When they shoot me down I always say loudly to my friends (hard to believe I have any), "biotch must be a man hating lesbo".
Seriously...
Tremayne, the Boat is nothing like it used to be. I hang around with a carde of westerners that live in Kiev half the year and own their own apartments here. I even hang around with a guy who the staff greets by his first name when he comes to the Boat and we all agree, that ship has set sail - compared with other alternatives in Kiev.
I've been to the Boat three times during this trip and the action and female/male ratio was nothing even close to like it was in the past.
Sure the 5-6 and sometimes 7's can be had for $100-150 after a little mojo but even they start out at the standard $300. But I tend to work the 8's and 9's. I'm doing very very well in the normal (if you want to call it that) Kiev dating scene this trip, so I know it isn't my game.
The night I went it seemed like a group of Middle Easterns were dancing with each other (I thought Traveling Male was going to puke on himself. He was still recovering from our trip to PaTiPa that Saturday night when we stumble unknowingly on Young, Happy and Gay night). I doubt they had any really money. Because the next night I saw them wearing the same clubbing clothes at Arena. Like I said the Boat has become a joke of itself. Now it's attracting tourist who just come for the spectacle.
And as I mentioned in a previous post the girls aren't doing as nearly a brisk trade as they have in that past. During prior trips to Kiev and visits to the Boat I used to see couple leaving who had concluded their business deal from the moment I sat down to the time I left. And to be honest in the last three visits I saw very few male/female couples leaving together.
You say it's business as usual at the Boat. What has your luck been like, do tell?
[QUOTE=Tremayne]Hey Guys which Boat were you on? I've been hanging out at the RP all week and it's business as usual and as for 2 guys dancing together I saw that and the ones I saw were young Ukrainian guys who were a bit drunk thats all. Maybe some of the girls there require a little attention, like conversation for example, before they decide whether they are going to work or not. Try the Sports Bar downstairs between 11-12 on a Wednesday night, theres usually a lot of girls in there who have checked in early to get the free admission to the Nightclub.A little conversation and a couple of drinks can work wonders.[/QUOTE]
i think it's a combination of a few different things. a lot of tire kickers are coming to the boat now. and if anyone didn't know or didn't realize 90% of the girls there network with each other and i don't think any one of them want to 'devalue' themselves in the face of their peers. i think we all know in general how vain girls can be and ukrainian girls in particular - there is a reason why there are mirrors in 95% of the clubs (and no, it isn't for the 45-60 year old businessmen). heck, everything else is overvalued in kiev for the foreigner, why not the boat too.
i miss the way rp used to be. it rocked my world during my trips last winter and last spring (during eurovision no less). but other things in kiev have already quickly filled that void in my life. ;)
dr s; i think eurovision ruined the boat. i'm glad i got a taste before it capsized.
[quote=snowy]hey cruiser
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out of interest why do you think people weren't hooking up - no girls worth hooking up with, girls pricing themselves too high, guys not approaching girls as they were just there to look or something else?
i was concerned about guys dancing with guys....surely rp's clientele haven't turned?!
to be honest i love that rp exists - it gathers up a lot of mongers who will overpay in one place and keeps them away from other places i might be.
bandit7 - it's hard to put a precise ratio on the proportion of p4p girls in moda , but assuming things are as they were before the refurbishment the ratio is somewhere between 99.8-100%. this is just a rough estimate though.[/quote]
Well Cruiser D, if I were to be honest I'd have to say that my luck at RP hasn't been that great over the last week, but the one time I was seriously looking I did connect with a very pretty little lady who spent a couple of hours with me for $150. This wasn't her starting price but after a couple of drinks and a lot of conversation we reached neutral ground, whenever the subject of high prices comes up with these girls they immediately start reeling of a long list of all the things in Kiev which have gone up recently, rents, food, clothes etc. I do admit to being a little bit biased where RP is concerned, but that's because my best mongering experiences in Kiev have always started in RP. However if anyone knows of another venue in Kiev that has the same numbers of p4p's for selection I would be more than happy to check it out. The one exception being the Moda Bar, I tried that once and the experience was a disaster, never been back since.
Well, I made it to Kiev last week, with high expectations on getting an overdose of high quality pussy. High quality pussy was around a plenty, but unfortunately things didn't work out quite the way I wanted.
I hooked up with with Cruiser D and Traveling Male for the first night that I was there. Met them at TGIF and they explained the whole scene to me. It was great to get tips from the Masters (we're not worthy), and they both felt that RP was the way to start. So they were nice enough to take me to RP that night. There were some hot girls there, and some cuties too. There are 2 types of chicks I like depending on my mood -- the hot ones that look like they belong in some hot porno vid, or the cute girl next door types. RP had a few of each that were appealing to me. So after oggling for a while, I decided to see what kinda hole them babes would wanna burn in my pockets. I chatted up this cutie and she told me $300. Ok, I thought, gotta sit down, give it some time, and she'll probably come down. In the meantime I thought I would chat with another cutie. $300. Hmmm. Thought i would sit it out till say 3am when they would get a bit desparate and come down. But instead of coming down I saw them bitches just leaving, alone it seemed. Then this tall hottie gets up and starts dancing. Within minutes she has me up there chatting with her. $300. Fuck. I told her $100 to start negotiating. She said "lemme think about it", so I sat back down. Immediately, another guy jumps on his feet and talks to her, they sit down, chat, and then she walks away from him. Playing hard to get it seems. Poor guy goes over to her a few minutes later, and they clearly strike a deal and they leave. I think she stood her ground, and he shelved out $300. But at Cruiser's urging, I got her number before she left.
Well, I did not want to dish out $300 even for a hottie. And all the girls seemed to be holding out for 300 bucks and not less. There was only one chick that I chatted with that seemed open to coming down in price, and she wasn't worth it. And there were lots of guys there, so the chicks did not seem desperate -- they had lots of takers. But I was confused about girls leaving without guys -- seemed like they wouldn't come down in price. So the first night was kinda disappointing for me.
I'll write day 2 experiences in a separate message, and will also put some general info on kiev under the General discussion forum.
Hello guys,
I am new here. I can see you paid to much to fuck a girl. When I was in Kiev, normally I take to a disco, and take a student in the dance floor, to my apartment. I give her 70 dollars and she stay with me to the next, eat breakfast with me, like a girlfriend.
Barton's hot tall dark haired girl.
I tried hunting down a similar version of this girl; dressed similar, slight shorter, slightly rounder face. But got held up by two blondes who spent the evening tag teaming me with charming conversation. But the boat is so passe I didn't even bother talking them down to $100 or $200 for both.
On my second day, I sent an SMS to the dark haired tall girl that I had seen in RP. I asked her if she would like to get together that evening. She replied saying "You know how mach $300". I replied saying that I just wanted to meet her for a couple of hours, and offered $100. She replied back "No! no! no!". Then I replied saying "ok, $150 last offer". A couple of hours later she replied saying "No! no! no! $250". I sent her an SMS saying "No! no! no!."
Interestingly, I got a call from some "guide" in my apartment, just out of the blue. She was looking for the person who used to live there before me I guess. She then asked me if I needed a guide. I told her no, but I was looking for girls, young hot ones. She told me she knew many girls and can arrange that. I told her I would call back later in the evening. When I called her back at like 6pm, she told me it was too late to get the 18 or 19yo students. But she said she could get me a 22yo. I said sure, and we setup a delivery for 8pm. Come 8pm, no show. So I called her and she said that the 22yo called her and cancelled, but would I like a 28yo. I declilned.
Then I decided to check out an apt that was near where I was stayin which had a lineup. ugggh! They were all dogs, about 15 of em. I quickly exited and tried to give my little buddy some comfort for havin hurt him so bad. I was already starting to wonder whether I was going to get laid at all. Then Cruiser came to the rescue and told me to check out Arena that night. So off we went. Arena was rockin. Hot girls just struting their stuff. I couldn't make out who were working girls and who were not, but off I went to chat up a few lovelies. One girl was with another guy who was clearly trying to get in her pants. When he left her, I made my move - she had been giving me the coy glances all night. I went over and flirted with her for a few minutes. She would have been good game, except that idiot turned out to be a friend of hers and she didn't want to leave him alone. Then I spoke to this bigtitted girl with pretty eyes and a great smile, but all she could do was smile at me and talk in Russian. I wanted to buy her a beer, but all she kept saying was "Ruski" and I kept saying "Brewski". No hit. Then interestingly, a couple girls we had seen the night before at RP saw us and dropped by for a friendly chat. This brunette chatting with me was all sweet smiles till we got to the money part. She said $300. I said sorry too much. How much she asked in her sweet voice. $100 I said. She immediately tapped her blonde friend on the shoulder and off they went. This was horrendous -- she was a 6 at best, and wanted $300! Then Cruiser told me that he saw the tall brunette from RP too. So off I went after offering a silent prayer, and thinking that maybe I should compromise at $200 with her and at least get laid. As I got closer to the tall brunette, she saw me and quickly turned her back to me. She was clearly pissed. I guess I had really hurt her feelings when I declined to pay $250 for a couple of hours earlier in the day. Well, I thought, I should call it a night. But when we exited Arena, Cruiser pointed out Club 112 to me which I had read about here. So I thought I would give it one more shot. Cruiser called it a night since he was tired and really was just showin me around. Gotta tell you folks, Cruiser's a real gentleman, and went out of his way to help me out. Thanks bud.
Got into Club 112. It was packed and hot. And there were girls of all kinds, not just hot ones like in Arena. But there were some real gems. I saw a cutie that was with another girl giving me the eye. So I walked over to the bar where she was a sittin, ordered meself a Brewski, and asked her her name. She immediately started chattin with me. Nice face -- brunette, blue eyes, petite, 20yo. She was a student she said. We kept chattin for like 30 min, when I told her that it was gettin late and I had to go. I wasn't sure if she was workin or not, so I didn't want to offend her by asking how much. But when I said i gotta go, she immediately asked me if I would like some company -- she said she wasn't in a mood to be alone that night and she really liked me. I was jumpin with joy -- here I had been sulking and protecting my wallet, and now I was gonna get a freebie. So I told her that I really liked her too, and we did a bit of necking right there. mmmmmm. Then I put my arm around her and started to take off. She stopped me and told me that she just wanted some money because she's got to pay rent. Damn! There went my freebie. $200 she said -- I was too horny and would have accepted, but I counter offered $150 -- without hesitation she accepted. Got to the apt, and we were all over each other. Lotsa kissing, groping, and clothes flying around. Then I got down to business. Within an hour it was all over, but it was good -- fuck/suck missionary, doggy style, BBBJ included.
So a good way to end my 2nd day. The 3rd day, i flew to Odessa so please read about my experiences in the Odessa section-- ups n downs there as well.
Thanks for the plug Barton; I plan on offering guided tours in the future. ;)
Bartonjunk!
Im sad you didnt do better but I like the honest and humouristic report you gave! Great reality report! All is not gold in EE. It depends on timing, luck, and skills and to be familiar with the scene.
One cant be a here in only two days time!
Happy hunting fellows!
/Felix
apartment rentals - a good alternative to kyiv hotels
by paul miazga, kyiv post staff writer
feb 02 2006, 09:41
short-term apartment rentals continue be the accommodation of choice for guests to the ukrainian capital, and for good reason. hotels here tend to be either ridiculously expensive, or the service they offer is so bad, people figure they could do better if they just shopped around.
now while kyiv remains an expensive city in many respects - dining, the cost of flying in - these costs can be mitigated by arranging a night's stay in a local apartment. when compared with hotel room rates of $150 per night and up, a fully serviced apartment for $50 to $100 per night looks a whole lot more attractive.the post has therefore endeavored to provide its readers with the greatest number of options regarding short-term apartment rentals in kyiv, namely those online. while our list is not all-inclusive, we've weeded out rental agencies that either lack western sophistication, or that try to offer additional "adult" services.
senator apartments
[url]www.senator-apartments.com.ua[/url]
tel.: (8-044) 200-7755.
using experience gained in western europe and australia, ruslan oleksenko of senator apartments has created kyiv's first dedicated short-term rental apartment complex near the historic national opera theater, not far from the downtown.
as the city's only dedicated apartment rental complex, senator offers those looking to rent a range of options, from simple rooms to integrated office spaces with high-speed internet access, and even multi-bedroom apartments for families or wealthier guests - all housed in a remodeled late 19th-century building. the all-in-one building also allows senator to offer extended security measures and a variety of standard services, and it makes returning to rent with them easy, as the location never changes.
senator apartments are tastefully decorated, with not a hint of soviet design or any garish local furnishings. rates range from $120-$140 per night for their smallest rooms to $280 and beyond for their most deluxe, multi-room accommodations. to stay with senator, fill out the form on their easy-to-use web site, which also helps make staying with them a snap.
nai pickard daily rent
[url]www.naipickard.com/daily[/url]
tel.: 8-050-391-8639 (tanya kuzmenko).
nai pickard is part of a larger property investment and holding company run by long-time ex-pat terry pickard. his company fills another major segment of the apartment rental niche by offering a wide range of very affordable apartments all in the heart of the city and within easy walking distance of the nai pickard offices.
apartments in the nai pickard holding are modern, fully furnished, and can come with a variety of services not included in the rental cost, namely breakfast, laundry, all airport transfers and local transportation, guides, interpreters and a 24-hour support line.
rooms with nai pickard range in price from $60 for simple, one-room apartments with kitchenette to $220 for spacious, two-level suites with fireplace and jacuzzi.
the nai pickard web site is easy to use. to rent, simply click on the "contact us" link and fill in the form.
absolut
[url]www.hotelservice.kiev.ua[/url]
tel.: (8-044) 530-1310, 8-067-209-3264.
one of the easiest sites to use, the absolut hotel service offers an amazing variety of apartments across kyiv at various levels of comfort. while many lack somewhat in design, prices start from just $40 per day in the city center, and the web site is easy to use and well laid out. a list of services is also provided.
alserent
[url]www.alserent.kiev.ua[/url]
tel.: 491-6599, 8-039-200-1007.
another company with an excellent, well-designed web site and plenty of options for short-term guests to kyiv, the alserent apartment service offers places to stay in four different categories, ranging from one-room apartments with kitchenette for $50-$90 to two-room spots from just $60 and three-rooms for $90 and up. each apartment description on the web site includes distances to major tourist attractions and subway stations, as well as available appliances and more. a range of services, including guided tours and interpreters, is also provided.
apartment service
[url]www.accommodation.kiev.ua[/url]
tel.: 468-0757, 238-2223.
the apartment service web site shows an impressive group of apartments varying in price from $40 for "standard" rooms to upwards of $70 for "deluxe" variants. one such "deluxe" apartment, near the city's historic bessarabsky market, looks to be a real find for just $80 per night.
a useful aspect of the apartment service web site is its link to car rental services, which are far cheaper than those of the major car rental firms currently operating in the city. additionally, fees charged by apartment service for airport transfers and similar charges are among the lowest of all such agencies we considered.
other useful apartment rental web sites:
[url]www.best-apartments.com.ua[/url] the web site offers information on apartment rentals in english, french and spanish.
[url]www.kievlet.com[/url] this is one of the easiest-to-use and best apartment rental web sites serving kyiv.
[url]www.kievlodging.com[/url] testimonials on the site regarding this company provide evidence of good service.
[url]www.apartment.com.ua[/url] apartments offered by their owners, with an attractive and well-designed web site.
[url]www.kyivhotel-luxe.com[/url] a range of apartments are offered on this site, as well as a huge cottage outside the city.
[url]www.flat.com.ua[/url] some of the cheapest rates in the city are offered on this site.
You will find that all the English written langauge papers in Kiev are nothing more then house organs. You will notice that their parent companies are PR companies in Kiev. If you pay enough you can have anything you want written....I am sure all the companies that were mentioned were asked to pay for it and did.
AND...
I am sick and tired of hearing 'because everyone wants to live in Kiev' as some kind of explantion of why the cost of apartments and lodging is so ridiculious expensive in Kiev. Because some farmer making $200/month in Poltava wants to move to Kiev has no bearing on center real estate prices. I spent around $2000/month for the apartment that I just left on Baseina - I would pay the same for the same apartment in NYC, London, Boston, San Fransico, Paris or Rome. Prices are kept artificial high by the banks, real estate companies and corrupt members of the goverment to pork anyone brave enough to venture into Kiev. Sure, I am willing to take my fucking like a good boy, but please, don't tell me I am getting a good deal.
Base on the Kiev/Ukraine economy and tourist culture I should have been paying around $35-40/night or around $1000/months - which is what the prices were about 16 months ago by the way.
Borispyl has free WiFi - which I am using right now. ;)
When in Kiev look at this: //kievbeauties.kiev.ua/en/profile/?id=43.
The photos are not very clear.
But on this site [url]www.met-art.com[/url] Marina becomes Natasha as op model photographed by Vitali Gubin: [url]www.met-art.com/thumbs/julia/index.htm?PA=546167[/url] (her name is Julia?)
Does she speak english? The videa clip on the webpage will tell you. She tells us all her favourite things with a childish voice, in a small shirt, a nice pearl necklace and without pants. Her favourite film? You guessed it: Pretty Lady. It is charming , what a nice smile. It all ends with a sext dance.
The question remains: is Kiev Beauties a serious agency or do they borrow nice photos to get business?
If I was in Kiev, it would be hard for me not to try to see Marina/Natasha/Julie.
Marina from Kiev Beauties: //kievbeauties.kiev.ua/en/profile/?id=43.
Better photos on: [url]www.met-art.com/thumbs/julia/index.htm?PA=546167[/url] with a video clip of Marina/Natasha. Absolutely charming. Her favourite movie? You guessed it: Pretty Woman. Let's all pretend we are Richard Gere.
Is this a seriuos agency?
If I was in Kiev I would not resist trying to meet Marina.
Terwagne,
As far as I never used their services, I can’t have a first hand opinion, but what I can say is one of them –Angelika- is Russian top model Valentina Zelyaeva, she works for Ralph Lauren, Valentino, Dior. , it’d be very surprising if she would sell her sexual services in internet and in Kiev.
Many of the others are well known softcore east european –not only ukranian- models. It’s not impossible they offer themshelves, but I think it’s quite improbable. But you can have a try.
Best regards.
Terwagne, you have sharp eyes but don't dream about being the next Richard Gere. I also recognized her and a few others. Models / pornstars can sometimes be escorts, but they would use original photos, not pictures that anybody can grab on the web. Tungstenine has met the real Marina, it wasn't Natasha at all and she was a bad experience. The story a few posts below : [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=427994&postcount=1574[/url]
[QUOTE=Tungstenine]I must admit I tried really hard to see if the pictures were really from the same girl that was in my appartment.
Now that I can see her face, I can confirm it is not her at all. Her body looks similar, but her face was far from the pictures from met-art. She also had a little more fat on the hips and thighs.
Send me Natasha next time and I will not complain ![/QUOTE]
KievBeauties was a serious agency, they used to be affordable and display real photos. But now, since a few months, they are overpriced and show fake photos.
[QUOTE=Dant75]Marina from KievBeauties : [url]http://www.kievbeauties.kiev.ua/en/profile/?id=43[/url] ($200 / 2 hours)
Natasha from Met-Art : [url]http://www10.kinghost.com/teen/sweets/met_natasha.htm[/url] (already mentionned)
Anya from KievBeauties : [url]http://www.kievbeauties.kiev.ua/en/profile/?id=36[/url] ($200 / 2 hours)
Veronika from Met-Art : [url]http://www.teenpalaceproductions.com/galls/met/veronikathunder/thunderblonde38.htm[/url]
Liliya from KievBeauties : [url]http://www.kievbeauties.kiev.ua/en/profile/?id=44[/url] ($300 / 2 hours)
Andrea from Met-Art : [url]http://www.chicasbonitas.net/galerias/05_04/Andrea/index.htm[/url]
Alesya from KievBeauties : [url]http://www.kievbeauties.kiev.ua/en/profile/?id=22[/url] ($500 / 2 hours !)
Liza from Met-Art : [url]http://hosted.met-art.com/generated_gallery/hosted/10146/10146.htm[/url]
At least KievBeauties has good taste and choosed the finest erotic material on the web ! (MET = Most Erotic Teens, all above 18 y.o.)
It wasn't easy to find. The photos are blurred, I recognized the real models because they are rather famous ones but spent some time finding the original photosets. I didn't find out the other photos but I guess they are 100% fake. I don't think anybody would like to pay $200 / $500 to see if the real girl looks as good as a met-art model.[/QUOTE]
Hi guys,
Here is my VERY late report of my trip to Kiev in late December of 2005. Had a very busy time since then, so wasn't able to sit down and write a detailed report.
Hotel: RADISSON SAS
[url]http://www.radissonsas.com[/url] (search for Kiev)
Stayed at the Radisson SAS. It's an OK hotel, but totally overpriced at at almost 300 Euro a night (including the 20% vat). They cater to western business people, so the rip-off factor is high. Some points on the hotel:
- Lobby is very small and unimpressive. Bar on the right hand side of the entrance doubles as a meeting facility. Didn't notice any working girls there, but must admit that I didn't spend much time there at night.
- Used the hotel pickup service to take me from and to the airport. 37 Euro each way (including VAT). Service was fine. Car was a modern Skoda (basically a Volkswagen sedan).
- Standard rooms are very good with a lot of luxury. Nice comfortable bed, flat panel tv, FREE Wi-Fi Internet (big plus!), large shower, personal safe.
- While the Room price is outrageous, minibar prices are very reasonable.
- Breakfast was OK, nothing special. Restaurant was pretty good, but nothing special either.
- Staff does their best to help, but they have still MUCH to learn about 5-star level service. Working in the hospitality business myself, it's obvious that the staff is too unexperienced at this level. The Moscow Marriotts do a much better job at this (when is Marriott coming to Kiev???).
- Their reservations department is a total mess. I booked through their reservations department and they made a total mess of my reservation and prices I was quoted. At check-out it took an hour to clear everything up. Luckilly I had printouts off all their emails and faxes, so they weren't able to charge me extra (but they sure wanted to).
- last but not least: this hotel is girl friendly. I was a bit nervous about this as there are always 3 security guards in the lobby directly by the door. As I took my girl in, I stared them straight in the eyes with my "mess with me and I will cause a big fuss" look. They gave me no problem at all.
I was in Kiev for business and only for a few days, so my experience is quite limited.
STRIP CLUB: RHINO CLUB (???)
One of my business partners took me to a new strip club on two occasions. I think it was called the Rhino Club (at least it had the logo of a rhino I think). Don't ask me where it was as we were driven there by his chauffeur while we were talking business in the back of the car. Girls were all pretty hot (all sevens and eights. One or two nines) and prices were very reasonable. Entrance fee was 50 Grivna and private lap dances were 150 Grivna. There weren't many guys there, so we had about 20 girls to ourselves. After we took some nice girls for a private lap dance, they sat with us for the rest of the night drinking only 1 drink. They all spoke decent English and were very entertaining. No nagging for champagne or other expensive stuff. Not bad! Lap dances lasted for about 10 minutes. You're taken to a separate room where the girl strips for you bare naked and grinds on you. You can touch her anywhere (including her pussy) and the girls will put their hands down your pants several times. Sucking their nipples and pussy was fine and some very light French kissing was allowed too. The girls really do their best to get you horny and it works really well too. Honestly for me it was a horrible tease, cause when I'm in a room alone with a naked blond goddess (model look and 1.88 tall!), I want to do more than just touch her.
GIA ESCORT AGENCY: GALINA
Called Gia one night for a girl. Talked to a very friendly English speaking lady. That nigh they only had Galina ( [url]http://www.gia.com.ua/girl_html/galina.shtml[/url] ) available. While she was not my original choice, I picked her anyway. Ordered her for 3 hours. Options: BBBJ (of course!) and CIM. As I ordered her for 3 hours, I wasn't charged extra for the extras. Asked if Galina could come to the hotel directly and they said she would be there in about 45 minutes. After 1 hour the lady from Gia calls and asks me to pick up the girl downstairs. I walked downstairs and Galina was waiting for me just outside the hotel. Walked her to my room without any trouble.
Inside the room, I confirm that Galina does indeed speak NO English (bummer) and has one slightly darkened tooth (not too bad, but it's a slight turn off for me). She does have a very nice body with nice medium sized breasts. After I undress her (like unwrapping a present at Christmas :) ), we hit the shower. There I see that she's not fully shaven (Yes! Don't like those bald pussy girls). She does have very long inner pussy lips that hang out of her pussy.
At first Galina was a bit shy, but after offering her a drink and some snacks from the mini bar and com***icating with her via my laptop's translation program, we start to get along very well. She has a nice sense of humor and is basically a very sweet girl. She says she's 19, but I estimate her at 21-22-ish. I showed her her pictures at the Gia website (yes, from the Radisson you CAN access the Gia website) and it seems she only saw them right after they were taken. She examined them all and gave her opinion of them. I also asked her about some of the other girls. She said that Larissa was ugly and crazy as hell. She also mentioned that Yula and Sveta were very nice girls (don't know how objective her opinion is).
In 3 hours I had 3 sessions with her. Let's have a look at her skills:
BBBJ: She does a decent job, but has too little suction power for my taste. We played some games in which I challenged here to take it deeper and deeper into her mouth and she participated enthusiastically. She missed my balls by 3cm. Pretty good :) (7 out of 10).
Normal fucking: She does that pretty well. She let's you take the lead, but allows all positions and actively takes part on the whole experience. I always like to test all the areas of the room, like the desk, bathroom sink and shower, and she was in for it all. (7,5 out of 10)
CIM: I came in her mouth at the end of each session: 2 times on the bed, final time in the shower. Unlike most other girls, Galina let's you blow your entire load into her mouth (not just the first shot). She waits patiently as you have your orgasm in her mouth. No need to hold the back of her head! Only minor negative point is that she stops moving her head back and forth as you're shooting it into her mouth, but honestly, I've only had tochka girls in Moscow do that (they have the BBBJ/CIM skill down like nobody else). After your done she calmly walks to the bathroom to clean her mouth and is back in 3 minutes. (8,5 out of 10)
After about 4 hours she left and I had to actually remind her about the payment when she was already in the hallway. Gave her some tips for the taxi and escorted her to the cab.
In conclusion I would rate Galina an 8 out of 10. Make sure however that you comfort her from the start and show her that you are well mannered, otherwise she'll freeze up and become impersonal like a robot.
KIEV itself:
Wasn't very impressed with Kiev. Yes, you see some nice ladies, but after having been to Moscow, it's not that special anymore. It's probably also better to goto Kiev during spring or summer.
It's obvious that when you goto western bars and restaurants that you get ripped off. Not as bad as Moscow, but give it a year and Kiev will be the same.
I would say, the best thing about Kiev is Gia!!! They are very professional, and deliver on their promise. Will be in Kiev again in March and will definitely sample some of the other Gia girls. This time I will try an apartment though.
I never made it to the Rhino, but I did see their ads in all the English rags. Did you ask if the girls could be taken out of the club? If you like stripclubs try the one in the Dnipro Hotel - the best I've seen in Kiev. The girls are 7-9's and won't hassle you unless you tell the waitress to have them come over to your table - they cost $400 for the night if you want to take them home, so get there early to get a little value ;). It also cost 100hrv to get in.
On the flip side, I went to the stripclub at JOSS. The waitresses were cute and friendly but 70% of the dancers were total skanks that I showed less then zero interest in. But they still came over and tried to work me for tips. Being the gentleman that I am I tossed them 4hrv - which is close enough to the customary $1 tip a stripper gets for a quick bump and grind in the US. Believe it or not the girls actually had the nerve to ask for more money, I told them I had no interest in them, that I had not asked them to come over and to get lost, which thankfully they did. The girls are learning bad habits very very fast - which one of you guys have been over tipping them while drunk?
For the rates they are charging at the Radisson it should include a girl with the room – no make that two girls. I can book a room at the Radisson in NYC for around $139/night. I know that NYC is slightly less cosmopolitan and sophisticated then Kiev but hey, that explains why they are charging close to three times as much. Do the Ukrainians really plan on developing their country by ripping off every Western business that comes there?
And I had no problem accessing Gia on the internet while in the Ukraine. They must have lifted the IP ban.
Nice report BBBJ.
cruiser d,
i didn't ask if the girls could be taken out at the the rhino club, but chances are high that for some rediculous fee (say: $400) they can indeed be taken out. as i'm entertaining the thought of taking these girls out for the night, the 2 girls that i had a private dance with, i would actually consider paying $400 to do them. they were hot as hell!
we went to the strip club at the dnipro hotel first, but were scared of by the prices (can you say rip-off! ?). at the door they asked as for a 150hrv entrance fee and private dances were 300hrv. as i peeked quickly through the door into the club, i saw only 4 average looking girls, so we passed on this strip club and headed to the rhino club. for that kind of money, i'd expect the club to be full of top models providing blow jobs for tips. we were wearing business suites, so perhaps they though they could shake us down for extra money (?).
honestly, i don't really like strip clubs. for the same money i spend at a strip club, i could really be doing some hot chick from an escort agency. it does give you an ego boost when these top girls approach you, but that boost disappears after about 2 minutes when you realize they're only after your money. anyway, it's just my opinion. my business partner absolutely loved (!) strip clubs and spent a fortune on private dances.
as for the radisson prices, yes, this is indeed way overpriced and i wont be staying there on my next trips. i was on a tight schedule with many important meetings during daytime, so i didn't want to be bothered with having to buy groceries and washing towels in an apartment. in addition, i required access to business facilities like a fax, copier and a conference room, so renting an apartment was simply not an option.
next time however, i will be renting an apartment, and will have myself a gia orgy from all the money that i'll be saving on the room rate ;)
on a more serious note:
i have to fully agree with cruiser d. it's very disappointing to see kiev trying to exploit westerners in such a crude way. i didn't only get the rip-off feeling at the radisson, but in many other places i visited in kiev. as soon as they heard me speaking english, the attitude changed, and guess what..the prices too.
my company stopped doing business in moscow due to the ridiculously inflated prices (employing a good staff member is now cheaper in western europe than in moscow). however, in moscow this happened 'gradually' over a period of about 5 years. i see kiev doing the same as moscow, but then in 2 years... scary stuff.
the way i look at it, it's all about delivering value for money. a high price is not a problem as long as it relates to the value that is being delivered. in kiev unfortunately, i absolutely did not notice any relation between the price asked and the value delivered. correction: gia has their act together ;)
regards,
bbbj
What are the rates for Gia?
Thanks
Rick
It is business as usual in the Ukraine. They simply got an Orange paintbrush out, tossed a coat of paint over everything and said Hey - we got a shiny new democracy here! Come play with us! Unfortunately for the poor people who froze their nads off in the Tent City during the Orange Revolution there is simply a new crew of corrupt politicians stealing the country blind. City blocks in Kiev are parted out to local cronies who turn around and sell them to rich locals or foreigners. The country’s heavy industries are flipped around faster then you can say, hey brother (or son) want to own an aluminum factory? No? How about an auto plant? Kiev is a half way decent city - for Eastern Europe. But the rest of the country is a nightmare.
The new gas contract is a joke - energy prices in the Ukraine have doubled. Look for them to double again during the summer. Believe it or not some Ukrainian steel works is supplying Russia with the large diameter steel pipe they need to complete their Baltic gas line and destroy the only bargaining chip the Ukrainians have. Word is the Ukrainian Prez got a nice piece of action to roll over.
I have no idea why any Western company would bother to do business in the Ukraine. Anything that needs to be manufacture can be done cheaper in the new EU Eastern Europe. Out of a country of 55 million people 50 million are dirt poor - doesn't leave much of a market to make it worthwhile to sell to. And if you need brain power, India beat everyone to it about 10 years ago. And if India gets too pricey there is a few billion Chinese looking to get a piece of the apple pie. And on top of it a lot of people and the government make it a sport to see how much they can steal from foreigners.
Oh yeah, this is ISG...
BBBJ, if you think the big name strip clubs are too pricey go to the smaller ones. Prices are much more reasonable and the girls can usually be had for take home for around $100. The downside is that you usually have to wait a bit for a lineup to be put together. The last time I was at the Millenium Club (the strip club at the Dnipro) was in late Dec, the cover was 100hrv. Your business suit had nothing to do with an increase in price; that is my daily and nightly uniform. On a side note, I also went to the strip club at the Hotel Ukrainia (behind Globus), ran out when I didn't spot anything higher then a 6 (and that is being kind). The Boat, while not being a true strip club is also another worthy option for seeing females on display.
Two last notes...
Don't sing GIA's praises too high, the rates for GIA a year ago were $60/hr with locals getting a $10 discount.
And for 300e a night I'll come over and wash your towels. ;)
Some of you may be asking, So Cruiser why do you go to the Ukraine if it is so bad - the girls, of course.
[QUOTE=BBBJ]Vincevoyeur,
Cruiser D,
(lots of good stuff deleted)
The way I look at it, it's all about delivering value for money. A high price is not a problem as long as it relates to the value that is being delivered. In Kiev unfortunately, I absolutely did not notice any relation between the price asked and the value delivered. Correction: GIA has their act together ;)
Regards,
BBBJ[/QUOTE]
Police have apparently begun a campaign of raids in hotels in Kiev, searching for people involved in pimping. They're not interested in the prostitutes themselves, but in the people they deem to be making money on the side from prostitution. First was the Kozatsky Hotel and week and a half ago, and last night (or the night before, as it was on the news last night) was the Salyut Hotel. It seems that they're using undercover people to approach hotel staff to either help them in getting a girl, or a girl will approach and ask for help in finding "clients," or to be alowed to go to guest floors. I imagine, given what police can be like here, that they'd very much like to find a shakedownable client or two, as well.
Act accordingly!
Gentlemen,
Despite the impression my recent Ukraine Board posts make, I promise I'm not a shill for Delta; I'm just passing along some hopefully useful info to help you maximize your below-the-belt-buckle budgets.
Delta is offering a one-way airfare to Kiev (based on round-trip purchase) from New York/JFK for $379. Tix must be purchased through this link: [url]www.delta.com/lowfares[/url] or from a travel agent by February 27, 2006.
Delta's 5 flights per week service to Kiev Boryspil (mentioned in my earlier post) starts June 1, 2006. Travel under these tix must begin between 1 - 30 June, 2006 and be completed by July 15, 2006. No blackout dates.
Live a Full Life, Without Regret and Die With a Smile on Your Face!
What are the top restaurants n Kyiv these days where model quality women hang out?
I'll be in Kyiv next week. If anyone from the list wants to meet then please PM me
Here are some top restaurants where beautiful girls hang out:
Decadence House.....Italian.....16 Shota Rustavelli vul.
Marocana.....Fusion.....24 Lesi Ukrainki blv.
Fellini.....French.....5 Horodetskogo vul.
TaTo Fashion Club.....International.....6/11 Sofii Perovskoy vul.
Soho Playboy Club.....American.....82 Artema vul.
Arena Club Rest.....International.....2a Baseyna vul (Besarabska Plocha)
Deja Vue.....International.....30B Khmelnytskoho vul.
Orangerea.....Fusion/Int.....2 Baseyna vul.
Rink Club Rest.....International.....Prospekt Nauki vul. (don’t remember the number)
But there are even better restaurants, but you have to bring your own girl :-)
Da Vinci Fish Club.....Italian.....12 Volodymyrska vul.
Casa Bella.....International.....27 Sahaydachnoho vul.
Nobel.....International.....65 Velyka Vasylkivska vul.
Karavan.....Asian.....10 Klovskiy Uzviz.
Marche.....French.....13 Velyka Vasylkivska vul.
Pervak.....Ukrainian.....2 Rohnidynska vul.
Tsarske Selo.....Ukrainian.....42/1 Sichn. Povstannya vul.
Avalon.....Fish.....3 Leontovycha vul.
Of course there more, but I consider the ones I mentioned as the best in Kiev. The Restaurants of the hooker paradises River Palace and ModaBar I did not mention, because the food is not really outstanding, sometimes there are some beautiful girls though :-)
[QUOTE=Ismael]Rink Club Rest.....International.....Prospekt Nauki vul. (don’t remember the number)[/QUOTE]
Ring Club address number is Prospekt Nauki 8. ;)
Hi,
I am going to Kiev for the first time, from 3/1/06 till 3/5/06. I heard that Gia is the best escort agency and plan on using them, but will also like to have alternatives. I read that Kiev Beauties publishes phony photos, so will probably not use them. I will go to clubs (123, PR, Arena) and wonder if there is a dress code. In Moscow, you can't get into Night Flight in sneakers, for instance. I also enjoy lineups as they offer a better price and plenty of girls to chose from. I would not trick girls looking for husbands with the illusion that I may marry them, so that is out. I appreciate any advise. If someone is in the area at the time and wants to hook-up to do some pussy hunting together, I am game.
Thanks!
Model quality women are not hanging out in top restaurants by themselves or with girlfriends. So I don't know why you'd want to go unless you want to sit there and say; gee, I wish I was that guy. The only pseudo upscale restaurant I have seen girls hanging out in groups on a fairly regular basis is TGIF.
If working (hitting on) girls in a restaurant is a fetish of yours I stongly suggest not going to any expensive or top restaurants, try lower priced fare like the Ukrainian cafeterias.
Anyone been to Ring yet?
PT Sailor - Althought I admire your morality of not wanting to taking advantage of the poor innocent girls of Kiev. Being a first timer and being there for only a short time I strongly suggest you be careful that you are not the one being taken advantage of. ;) And please...don't pay more then $200 at the Boat! I will be in Kiev some time during May - most likely the second week. If I am around I'd be happy to give you the tour or at least point you in the right direction. ;)
[QUOTE=Toronto Guy]What are the top restaurants n Kyiv these days where model quality women hang out?
I'll be in Kyiv next week. If anyone from the list wants to meet then please PM me[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]
Its business as usual in Ukraine.
Kiev is half way decent.
But the rest is a nightmare.
Out of 55 million people 50 million are dirt poor.
I get a piece of pie.
make it a sport , this is ISG...
[/QUOTE]
With that many needy university students and waitresses, there's plenty
of sponsorship opportunities to relieve yourself of your funds.
Thanks for the info. What is the Boat and were is it? One agency told me they can't send girls to the Dnieper (sorry the spelling) hotel. If this is true, what other 5 or 4 stars hotel do you suggest? Dress code for the 'Boat' and other places? Info, please.
Boat: The boat where is mostly talked about is River Palace. Another boat where is also a nightclub in, is Moda Bar.
Dress code: I don’t think there is really a dress code in River Palace or other night clubs except of Arena and Orangerea. But I think it’s normal to wear at least appropriate shoes to a nightclub. So I would suggest leaving your sneakers in the hotel room/apartment (But that is just my own opinion and besides that shoes are very important in Ukraine. If people in Ukraine want to know what kind of person they are looking at, by the way you are dressed, they will first look at your shoes!!!)
Lineups: As far as I know there are no lineups in Kiev. I have heard that there are lineups in Lugansk and Donetsk though. In Kiev there are some houses where you can go to pick up a girl. Mostly there are between 8 and 12 girls present and the one you like, you can take to your Hotel/apartment. But you have to be there in time (20:00-22:30) otherwise the choice will be limited.
Ring Club: I have bin there two weeks ago. It’s a big entertainment place outside of the centre. Besides the club it has a restaurant, strip and of course a casino. Erik Aigner owns only the dance club. I have bin there on a Friday and a Saturday night and both nights it was very crowded. I expected lower prices then in the city centre and more locals because it is situated pretty far from the centre, but unfortunately it was totally different. Erik uses the same prices for his drinks, as he does in all his other clubs, which is still half then a drink in for instance Arena. Further I saw many people which I usually see in other clubs. There where some foreigners, but not many and there where a lot of new-Russians. Overall it is a nice club with good ambiance. But if you want to get acquainted with some local girls who do not just see your wallet, you can better go to another place.
Dress code:
There is a dress code at RP... no sneakers. Generally speaking, if you are going to clubs with face control you might want to avoid sneakers... they are really one of the first things people look at.
You also have to differentiate between night clubs and regular clubs/discos.
Almost all night clubs like River Palace or strip clubs have a dress code, the minimum requirement being "no sneakers".
At other clubs, including the most fashionable ones, you can get away with sneakers as in many places obviously sneakers are standard fashionable wear, especially if the sneakers are from Hugo Boss, Hilfiger, LaCoste or whatever.
Many New Russians wear sneakers to upscale clubs... but they are always very fashionable sneakers from some luxury good fashion designer like Boss... at the very least the newest Adidas or Puma collections. If the shoes look worn, scuffed or more than 6 months old... forget it.
Average clubs, or places catering to foreigners like 112, Bierstube etc. are pretty lax on face control... so your sneakers probably wont be a problem there.
In any case, I second the other guys in terms of carefully selecting your footwear or clothing in general if you are looking to pursue freebies, normal girls etc. The girls really do pay attention to this, and not just in EE.
Hotels:
I know some people just cant imagine staying in any place other than a hotel when in a strange country, however the short-term apartment rentals in Kiev are very well-organized and nice. Much, much cheaper than any decent hotels, often much nicer in terms of equipment, location etc. and ALWAYS girl-friendly. I personally would never stay in a hotel in Kiev.
Guys,
This is a Great forum, thanks so much for all your info that should lead to better pussy for a lonely traveler. I had the best week of my life in Moscow, when in 7 days I visited with 8 girls at my hotel (the Metropo): $400 went to pay for the security guards at the door of the hotel. But I thought I died and went to heaven! Nigh Flight first, and the lineups second, have agenls that are clean, beautiful, young, refined, educated and fully shaven pussies (my favorite). The selection was endless. It will appear that Kiev comes at a distant second place, but second place nonetheless. I can do seconds! Does security at the door of the Dnieper hotel also shakes you down for money or gives you a hard time? I would consider an appartment for a longer stay, I guess, but I am only there four or five days and the security may be a good thing. Is there security and access control at the appartments? If so, can you recomend a nice, clean, safe appartment to rent? I will be traveling first to Amsterday, Istanbul, Kiev, Amsterdam again and back to the good old USA. Anyone with tips on Amsterdam or Isanbul will be greatley thanked! I have no fixation with wearing sneakers, but I walk a lot to visit the cities, and then is when i wear them. I will be wearing leather shoes this time around after reading your comments, that is for sure! I have a car rented in Kiev waiting for me. Is that a good thing? I hope I will be able to collect enough stories and photograhies to make all your efforts in guiding me now, wothwhile! Thanks a lot!
I know everybody loves Gia, so I will visit with them. I need to pick your brains because I got dizzy reading page after page and eventually very little sticks in my memory. I want to make the best of this expedition and I promise to share the details of my encounters. On Gia I like the photos of Zoya and Katia the most. Anyone met them before and has some words of advise?
I undersand from this pages that Kiev Beauties has fake pictures. What about
Nadya from Desiredstars? Are the pics real? Any comments about her and/or the agency?
Hoa about Kiev-escort-models.com? Any experience with them?
Then I saw another site with amazing girls, but could not understand a word of it, written in Ukranian I guess. I lost the web address.
Thanks!
Any experience with them? I can't even read the name of the girls, but they look stunning! Can anyone help?
Normal pay to security guards at the Metropol hotel in Moscow is $50 per girl. I quoted $400 for all 8 girls I brought in over 7 days.
Hotel Dnipro: If you pick up your girl outside at the entrance and bring her up, there is no need to pay! You can just walk in. The guards will just look unhappy. But it is better and more convenient to rent an apartment in Kiev. Just write me a pm if you are interested.
Car Rental: If you stay in Kiev there is no need to rent a car. You can just raise your hand and stop a car if you want to move from A to B. There are thousands of taxi’s in Kiev ;-)
Websites: The website you mention, sexlady-kiev.ua is ok, but I would rather stick to Gia or Kiev-x.com. Stay away from desired stars and Kiev-escort-models.com!!! They are to expensive.
Amsterdam: If you stay in Amsterdam a few days I can recommend you the red-light district. It is the biggest prostitution area in the world. There is a lot of choice and the prices are reasonable. If you are with some friends go visit the banana bar and have some fun. It is situated 5 minutes walk from the central train station and it starts behind the “Damrak” (the Dutch stock exchange market)
But if you are on a cultural trip there are plenty of museums to visit and you also can take a nice boattour over the watercity. :-)))
Many many years ago before I was even a Cruiser, just an unworldly American college student I took my first trip to Europe. I was traveling alone to visit my college gf of the time. I remember being out and about the city for the first time with my gf and her brother - her brother was sophisticated, stylish, titled and rich. We were about to enter an upscale cafe/club and I remember remarking to him, do you think I am dressed to go in here? He said, don't worry just act American.
Of course as the bearded poets from Texas like to say, “Every girl crazy about a sharp dressed man”. And boys, I am here to tell you it is true and from my experience it is very true in places like Kiev.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Dress code:
There is a dress code at RP... no sneakers. Generally speaking, if you are going to clubs with face control you might want to avoid sneakers... they are really one of the first things people look at.
I know some people just cant imagine staying in any place other than a hotel when in a strange country, however the short-term apartment rentals in Kiev are very well-organized and nice. Much, much cheaper than any decent hotels, often much nicer in terms of equipment, location etc. and ALWAYS girl-friendly. I personally would never stay in a hotel in Kiev.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pt Sailor]Any experience with them? I can't even read the name of the girls, but they look stunning! Can anyone help?[/QUOTE]
Don't trust the photos unless you see the real girl with your own eyes.
[url=http://www.sexlady.kiev.ua/kiev/10040.htm]Vera[/url] (first photo because the other ones are another girl !) = [url=http://www.model-archive.com/models/v/vika.html]Vika[/url] from Hegre-Archives
Even if a photo look real, it may be fake : many photos on [url]http://www.sexlady.kiev.ua/[/url] are picked from [url]http://www.minskgirls.net/all.php[/url] (this website has older and bigger photos). Either all belarussian girls came to Kiev for biggest income, either their photos were stolen by ukrainian pimps (but maybe the belarussian pimps took their photos from Moscow pros !)
Anyone knows if the photos at [url]http://www.kiev-x.com/search.php?age_from=15&age_to=20[/url] are the real pictures of the available providers?
[QUOTE=Ismael]Ring Club: I have bin there two weeks ago. It’s a big entertainment place outside of the centre. Besides the club it has a restaurant, strip and of course a casino. Erik Aigner owns only the dance club. I have bin there on a Friday and a Saturday night and both nights it was very crowded. I expected lower prices then in the city centre and more locals because it is situated pretty far from the centre, but unfortunately it was totally different. Erik uses the same prices for his drinks, as he does in all his other clubs, which is still half then a drink in for instance Arena. Further I saw many people which I usually see in other clubs. There where some foreigners, but not many and there where a lot of new-Russians. Overall it is a nice club with good ambiance. But if you want to get acquainted with some local girls who do not just see your wallet, you can better go to another place.[/QUOTE]I was this weekend in the Ring Club and had a complete different experience. First I think that the price are much lower than for example in 112. Second the place was really full. Full of locals and most of them girls. So I think this may be a good hunting place. It is not very close to center, it takes around ten minutes with taxi from Kreschatik.
Eating in the Jazz-Club upstairs is very comfortable and cozy. The strip club has no extra cover charge as far as I know. But a casino I could not discover there. In my opinion it is worth to try out this place more often.
Hello I was in kiev from 21 to 25 january.
I use to flirt a bit in [url]www.flirt.com.ua[/url]
I met a girl that looked very pretty and we changed some messages in good english. When I was in kiev (minus 25 degrees) I phoned her, she talked good english so I told her to come to my apartment, price was really good 50$ one hour and 30 dollars each nw hour, so i told her I wanted her for at least 4 hours. I waited for her in the street and a girl arrived, she was not pretty at all, and she didn't talk english at all. The poor girl was afraid knowing the fake situation and suspecting that I would send her back to her brothel told the taxi to wait, as you can imagine I sent her back without tip. Next day I received in flirt.com.ua a message of the fake girl insulting me.
I was very busy the few days I was in Kiev and weather was terrible ( between minus 25 and minus 18). I ended working everyday really late and all the contacts I tryed failed, all the girls answered me to call them next day more early. Finally the last day I dated one girl that I met in flirt.com, after some drinks I carried her to my apartment, we had a long good session of pasionate kisses and when things began to look interesting and I was ready to invite her to my bedroom she told that was late and her mama was waiting for her at home....what a disaster!! 4 nights in Kiev and all of them sleeping alone, no need to say that I saved a lot of money,, but I missed a lot of pussy
OK, I yield to the best advice from you guys and I canceled my Dnipro reservation also. Any ideas of whom should I call to reserve a nice 2 bdromm appartment in the center of town?
Thanks!
OK, I yield to the best advice from you guys and I canceled my Dnipro reservation also. Any ideas of whom should I call to reserve a nice 2 bdromm appartment in the center of town? Thanks!
PT:
Among others, I found these guys to be reliable:
[url]http://www.kievlet.com/[/url]
I have used these people in the past and they have reasonable rates starting from $60 USD for downtown appts
[url]http://users.iptelecom.net.ua/~tgl/[/url]
I have used uaapartments.com a couple of times and have found them to be quite good. Personally i have never had a problem with them but a few people have mentioned some issues in the past.
Another one that was recommended to me was [url]www.kievrent.net[/url] by one of the girls.
[QUOTE=Alphamale]I have used uaapartments.com a couple of times and have found them to be quite good. Personally i have never had a problem with them but a few people have mentioned some issues in the past.[/QUOTE]
I also have used [url]http://www.uaapartments.com/[/url], and they took me to another apartment than the one I booked.
To be honest, I also used [url]http://www.apartments.kiev.ua/[/url] and [url]http://www.apartments.com.ua/[/url]. They also brought me to another apartment than the one I booked. If it's in the same category, it's perfectly normal for them and they don't see where the problem is. They are all nice people, but it seems that it's the way they do business in Kiev...
Last but not least, the apartment [url]http://www.apartments.com.ua/[/url] gave me is better located, better furnished and cheaper than the one I booked. Go figure....
Lola Friendly from Desiredstars.net appear very professional and helpfull, so I ended up renting and appt from her. She will have a driver pick me at the airport and I will meet Nayda for the first night. I intend to see girls from Gia, Kiev Escort Models, sexylady and Kiev X-com also. Anyone had experience with the last three? Are the pics for real? (I hope they are!)
Thanks! You saved me a lot of money when I canceled the car and the hotel. It will be well spent.
I used Kiev-x one time. The pictures were real and I was very, very pleased.
Of course I was careful to pick on where the pictures looked real. Some of them are obviously way too professional.
I also used DesiredStars one time. The service was very good but the picture had been either very touched up or was actually someone different. I can't quite be sure.
Whas that Nayda? She looks really good on the picture. Can you post the name of the girl from X?
I am in Amsterdam now, and will post about this on the respective Forum. Quite active.
[QUOTE=Duke Pro Sex]Hello I was in kiev from 21 to 25 january.
I use to flirt a bit in [url]www.flirt.com.ua[/url]
I met a girl that looked very pretty and we changed some messages in good english. When I was in kiev (minus 25 degrees) I phoned her, she talked good english so I told her to come to my apartment, price was really good 50$ one hour and 30 dollars each nw hour, so i told her I wanted her for at least 4 hours. I waited for her in the street and a girl arrived, she was not pretty at all, and she didn't talk english at all. The poor girl was afraid knowing the fake situation and suspecting that I would send her back to her brothel told the taxi to wait, as you can imagine I sent her back without tip. Next day I received in flirt.com.ua a message of the fake girl insulting me.
I was very busy the few days I was in Kiev and weather was terrible ( between minus 25 and minus 18). I ended working everyday really late and all the contacts I tryed failed, all the girls answered me to call them next day more early. Finally the last day I dated one girl that I met in flirt.com, after some drinks I carried her to my apartment, we had a long good session of pasionate kisses and when things began to look interesting and I was ready to invite her to my bedroom she told that was late and her mama was waiting for her at home....what a disaster!! 4 nights in Kiev and all of them sleeping alone, no need to say that I saved a lot of money,, but I missed a lot of pussy[/QUOTE]
I had the kind of the same experience in Kharkov. I thought I would met a wonderful 23 years old girl for sex and the reality was a really ugly one and much more older.....It belongs to the risky situation that may happen on the net...
BTW, about gia, not sure if this is widely known or intentional, but you can see some of the site structure here for example:
[url]http://www.gia.com.ua/girls/[/url]
where you can see folders for other girls (I assume mostly the ones who no longer work there), and also see the dates when the girls were added to the site, i.e. more or less how long they've worked there. If a date is recent however it may just mean some new pictures were recently added - but if a date is not recent it definitely does mean the girl's been there at least that long.
Also some of the folders have a few photos that aren't linked to from the main page.
And on the topic of photoshops, my personal advice is, if you see smudging around the cheeks or the nose that's not nessecarily bad, but if there's something on the forehead or around the boobs, that's pretty bad - most likely that means bad skin or sagging.
I just spent about a week in Kiev, and most of it was freebie hunting. I only used pros on a couple of nights, so I'll post about that.
First of all, in light of recent discussions of another agency using fake photos, I discovered the famous gia to be not much better. They photoshop their crap so much, the pictures on their site resemble the girls I got probably about as much as the other place's fakes. I called them pretty late I think Tuesday night after a freebie date, and there was only one girl left. The girl was Marta, and boy oh boy, the girl I got resembled the pictures only in silhouette. Somebody did real wonders with the clone brush. I have to say that Marta was really nice, I chatted her up for a while which I find really warms them up, and she was good in every respect, but just, well, don't expect her to look anything like the pictures.
The second girl I got from them was Rita. Slightly closer to the pictures, but again, her boobs and her face were quite unlike what you see on the site. Again I enjoyed the experience, Rita was really cute in a different type of way, she was really freaky and really into sex, almost as much as myself, which is of course pretty rare in the pro world. She's still young and she still enjoys it, and I think she really likes the thrill. Also she's really into girls apparently, so next time I'm in Kiev I'm definitely trying her with a friend. She speaks no English by the way, but she gets by all right.
In short, in my experience gia does provide excellent service at rock-bottom prices, but they really gotta curb their photoshopping. It's just not right. Especially with Marta, I thought they did a bait-and-switch on me for a few minutes until I realized the true horror of the situation.
On another note, I also of course had to check out River Palace. The word out on the street among Russians is, it's best on a slow week night, and sucks on the weekends. I got a real stunner, an 18 year old who was about 5'10" with giant nautal boobs and movie star legs. Horrible gnawing blow job, but the fucking was amazing, and then before I could even say thank you she fluttered away back to RP. Ahh, Kiev.
GIA isn't much of a bargin when you compare price to the girls you get. However they are on the up and up and speak English but you can get better quality girls at a $60 apartment. I am sure GIA gets a lot of drunk guys speaking English at 3-6am. ;)
Sounds like you got the RP $200-300 in and out in an hour special - also known as the welcome to Kiev fucking (both ways). Was she a blond or did she have dark hair?
[QUOTE=One O Nine]I just spent about a week in Kiev, and most of it was freebie hunting. I only used pros on a couple of nights, so I'll post about that.
(stuff deleted)
On another note, I also of course had to check out River Palace. The word out on the street among Russians is, it's best on a slow week night, and sucks on the weekends. I got a real stunner, an 18 year old who was about 5'10" with giant nautal boobs and movie star legs. Horrible gnawing blow job, but the fucking was amazing, and then before I could even say thank you she fluttered away back to RP. Ahh, Kiev.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pt Sailor]Whas that Nayda? She looks really good on the picture.
No it wasn't Nadya.
Can you post the name of the girl from X?
The girl from Kiev-x is no longer advertising. She has a day job now.
Sorry.
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]GIA isn't much of a bargin when you compare price to the girls you get. However they are on the up and up and speak English but you can get better quality girls at a $60 apartment. I am sure GIA gets a lot of drunk guys speaking English at 3-6am. ;)[/QUOTE]
Well I mostly buy my sex in Moscow, so compared to that gia's prices are almost like getting it for free. I'm really not a fan of salons I have to say, I find the realities too grim. I gotta have at least some illusion of normalcy. And with gia, you pay not as much for the quality of the girl as the quality of service, where I think their track record is about the best I've heard.
BTW the girls told me most of gia's clients are actually Russian. What do you know.
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Sounds like you got the RP $200-300 in and out in an hour special - also known as the welcome to Kiev fucking (both ways). Was she a blond or did she have dark hair?[/QUOTE]
Jet black. She's gotta be real popular there, I wouldn't be surprised if everyone already her knows her here at the forum. As we walked back from the bar area to the cloak room at least 10 guys must have waved at her. I was like, oh man, I got the village bike here.
Oh, and I keep forgetting to post this. In Moscow which I frequent, I just love the strip clubs. Nice girls, low prices, great atmosphere, pick whoever you want and take her home, usually at a reasonable price and occasionally (rarely) even for free.
So, naturally, I assumed the same to be the case in Kiev. I couldn't be more wrong. There's a reason there are so few strip clubs in Kiev, and they're all so small and crappy. Girls are nothing to look at, everywhere I went looked cramped and sleazy, and the prices are outrageous. I went to Hotel Dnipro myself, and took a curious date to Spearmint Rhino. Maybe some others are better, I dunno. Those two were atrocious.
At Dnipro I witnessed a large group of drunk Mongolians get presented with a 26,000 grivna bill ($5,000+). They were amazed and tried to argue, but the staff was firm. Mongolians had no money, and the ohrana apes dragged them off somewhere, I assume to beat them up or something. Phew. Not sure if it was just the Mongolians being stupid, or they were being ripped off, but that's definitely a place to avoid. Some marginally OK looking chick came up to me at Dnipro and told me I could have her for only $300, plus the $400 convenience fee to the club. Holy fuck. $700 for sex in Kiev's gotta be eligible for a Guinness world record.
Hi folks,
Just returned from Kiev today and after reading the last posts I decided to make a list to share with you all. The ranking is how I would use them according to the reality of the pictures and the blocks in which way the pictures are real or not. I also added some sites with freebees. Maybe some of you have different opinions about this list or want to add some sites to it, which are easily to use for everybody. I can recommend [url]www.goodprice.com.ua[/url] . Prices are good. Phone numbers qualities and pictures are mentioned on the site. (Inga is also there ;-)..)
1 [url]www.goodprice.com.ua[/url] (real pics)
2 [url]www.silver.kiev.ua[/url] (90% real pics)
3 [url]www.gia.com.ua[/url] (pics are real but they like photoshop)
4 [url]www.maw.ru[/url] (real pics)
5 [url]www.intimplaza.com.ua[/url] (pics are real except of one)
6 [url]http://uakisski.com[/url] (real pics)
7 [url]www.miledi.com.ua[/url] (real pics, massage with sex)
1 [url]www.flirt.com.ua[/url] (freebees are real and most of the paid ones too)
2 [url]www.fate.com.ua[/url] (freebees are real and most of the paid ones too)
3 [url]www.omen.ru[/url] (freebees are real and most of the paid ones too)
1 [url]www.escort-service.com.ua[/url] (most pics are real)
2 [url]http://sexlady.kiev.ua[/url] (most pics are real)
3 [url]www.sexykiev.biz[/url] (looks real)
1 [url]www.kiev-x.com[/url] (some pics are real but they like photoshop)
2 [url]www.desiredstars.com[/url] (some real pics but tuned by photoshop)
3 [url]www.prostitutki.kiev.ua[/url] (some pics are real)
4 [url]www.ero.kiev.ua[/url] (some pics are real in the english version, but more in the russian)
5 [url]www.intim.com.ua[/url] (some pics are real)
6 [url]www.hot-kiev.com[/url] (some pics are real but they like photoshop)
1 [url]www.best-escort-4you.com[/url] (maybe they are real but sure tuned by photoshop)
2 [url]www.kiev-escort-models.com[/url] (maybe some pics are real but most pics are fake)
3 [url]http://kievbeauties.kiev.ua[/url] (most pics are fake)
Great job Ismael, but...
[QUOTE=Ismael]
2 [url]http://sexlady.kiev.ua[/url] (most pics are real)
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[QUOTE=Dant75]
Even if a photo look real, it may be fake : many photos on [url]http://www.sexlady.kiev.ua/[/url] are picked from [url]http://www.minskgirls.net/all.php[/url] (this website has older and bigger photos). Either all belarussian girls came to Kiev for biggest income, either their photos were stolen by ukrainian pimps (but maybe the belarussian pimps took their photos from Moscow pros !)[/QUOTE]
Some photos look too professional, at least this one is 100% fake : [url]http://sexlady.kiev.ua/kiev/10040.htm[/url] (Vika from Hegre-Archives).
And those ones come from [url]http://www.minskgirls.net[/url] :
[url]http://sexlady.kiev.ua/kiev/10058.htm[/url] , [url]http://sexlady.kiev.ua/kiev/10056.htm[/url], [url]http://sexlady.kiev.ua/kiev/10051.htm[/url], [url]http://sexlady.kiev.ua/kiev/10052.htm[/url], [url]http://sexlady.kiev.ua/kiev/10050.htm[/url], [url]http://sexlady.kiev.ua/kiev/10038.htm[/url], [url]http://sexlady.kiev.ua/kiev/10048.htm[/url], [url]http://sexlady.kiev.ua/kiev/10047.htm[/url].
The realness of a photo is not a pledge that you will meet the promised girl. Why a girl would post her real picture if she can have the same result with another girl's photo ? (except if she or the agency wants to have good reputation).
That's why I'd prefer order girls from reliable agencies like Gia (even if their pics are photoshoped), or go to RP, or to salons (don't know a salon in Kiev like in St Petersburg). In which websites did you personnaly booked a girl ? Did she look like her photos ?
The last three months I used the following sites:
[url]www.goodprice.com.ua[/url] (Inga and Tanya)
[url]www.silver.kiev.ua[/url] (Xena, Elena and Anja)
[url]www.maw.ru[/url] (Masha and Natasha)
and
[url]www.miledi.com.ua[/url] (Ilona)
Further I dated a few girls from the site [url]www.flirt.com.ua[/url] the last three months (sometimes just for a drink, diner or club, but sometimes I also scored the full package) This way I like the most!
About a year ago I used the sexlady site. At that time the girl I had was real from the photo. So present I don't really know the situation from that website.
[QUOTE=One O Nine]
Some marginally OK looking chick came up to me at Dnipro and told me I could have her for only $300, plus the $400 convenience fee to the club. Holy fuck.
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Maybe she was quoting prices in Hrivnas, not dollars? For a 'marginal'
looking prostitute, price of 300 hr is in line for tourist service.
Ok, ok, I know you know the difference between dollars and hrivnas! :-)
HEY ISMAEL- I don't bring a laptop with me, so can you list any phone
numbers for any agencies you listed. I think I already have the number
for Gia, somebody posted it before. What about the rest?
Most links I posted are websites with independent girls with phonenumbers on it. With some girls you have to even get in touch with by email, but you will receive a message mostly within 24 hours.
I assume I can help you with the following numbers:
Girls from [url]www.goodprice.com.ua[/url] who are in for anything for a reasonable price:
Tanya: 00380 67 973 67 44
Inga: 00380 67 946 68 78 (the ex-pornstar)
Margo: 00380 95 517 55 26
Girls from [url]www.maw.ru[/url] who are in for anything for a reasonable price:
Natasha: 00380 66 458 16 96
Masha: 00380 66 545 08 18
Karina: 00380 50 187 95 05 (but ask for Marina, she has a very good DT)
Massage from [url]www.miledi.com.ua:[/url] 00380 44 237 37 37
Massage from [url]www.rakuena.com:[/url] 00380 44 568 29 47
English speaking escort agencies:
00380 44 240 41 92
00380 44 240 96 40
00380 67 405 83 85
00380 96 336 55 44 (very fast!!! Girl within 30 min)
[url]www.hot-kiev.com:[/url] 00380 675 06 97 22
[url]www.desiredstars.com:[/url] 00380 66 375 22 55
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Maybe she was quoting prices in Hrivnas, not dollars? For a 'marginal'
looking prostitute, price of 300 hr is in line for tourist service.
Ok, ok, I know you know the difference between dollars and hrivnas! :-)[/QUOTE]
You would hope so, but no. This was definitely dollars. They're probably getting it, too, the strip club is right in the hotel and it's probably the one and only resort for the uninformed businessmen in and out of town.
There was this one Liz Hurley look-alike in that club I would probably pay for just to add to my movie-star collection, but they had a horrible system in that place which make it really difficult to talk to a girl you like. Instead of just dancing on the stage, they have two more stations around the stage, and while the main dancer is doing her thing around the pole, the two girls coming up next line up at the two other mini-poles. So with the length of an average song it takes like 15 minutes for a girl to free up from her duties; and then after the dance they don't go around the room but instead go in the back and take forever to get dressed and whatever.
In any case, if this was even Moscow prices I'd probably sit there and wait, but then I also saw that girl drinks were a minimum of 750 hrivnas, so I figured it wasn't worth the effort. Besides she didn't even look like a movie star I like. I usually enjoy the Pierce Patchett angle, adds a little extra thrill, but enough is enough.
Some of the girls working the apartments is on the same quality if better then GIA. They are mostly girls from other cities in the Ukraine that come to Kiev to make a few quick bucks and leave. I'd prefer a newer girl then some girl that has been on GIA's website for two years.
Most of the foreign clients in Kiev are Russian regardless of the business. However if you had read first timers trips to Kiev on this board you will see that GIA is mentioned 95% of the time. Not that GIA is a bad thing or a good thing. There just are much better options in Kiev for someone such as yourself who is an old pro at the Slavic sex trade.
Let me guess, the dark hair girl of your dreams at RP was wearing a white top and a 14" black leather mini skirt? I saw her all three times I went to RP on my last trip but never got around to chatting her up. I am curious, how much did you pay for an hour?
[QUOTE=One O Nine]Well I mostly buy my sex in Moscow, so compared to that gia's prices are almost like getting it for free. I'm really not a fan of salons I have to say, I find the realities too grim. I gotta have at least some illusion of normalcy. And with gia, you pay not as much for the quality of the girl as the quality of service, where I think their track record is about the best I've heard.
BTW the girls told me most of gia's clients are actually Russian. What do you know.
Jet black. She's gotta be real popular there, I wouldn't be surprised if everyone already her knows her here at the forum. As we walked back from the bar area to the cloak room at least 10 guys must have waved at her. I was like, oh man, I got the village bike here.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Some of the girls working the apartments is on the same quality if better then GIA. They are mostly girls from other cities in the Ukraine that come to Kiev to make a few quick bucks and leave. I'd prefer a newer girl then some girl that has been on GIA's website for two years.
Most of the foreign clients in Kiev are Russian regardless of the business. However if you had read first timers trips to Kiev on this board you will see that GIA is mentioned 95% of the time. Not that GIA is a bad thing or a good thing. There just are much better options in Kiev for someone such as yourself who is an old pro at the Slavic sex trade.[/QUOTE]
Well, I usually use the internet agency option as the last resort, and when I use it I mostly care about the quality of service. I'll definitely check out other options as posted by Ismael the next time around. It's just my last trip, when the time came to it, I was neither patient nor sober enough to do any serious searching. I just want to dial a number, fall into drunken slumber, and get a good fuck when the door bell wakes me.
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Let me guess, the dark hair girl of your dreams at RP was wearing a white top and a 14" black leather mini skirt? I saw her all three times I went to RP on my last trip but never got around to chatting her up. I am curious, how much did you pay for an hour?[/QUOTE]
Exactly. 300 bucks. I think she may be lying about her age, too. At RP she was 19, when we got to my place she was 18, and when she was leaving she was turning 18 in two weeks and wondered if I'd give her an early birthday present.
I also found out a bit too late that she's got a girlfriend she went to high school with (supposedly), and they do threesomes at a discount.
109, While the strip club in the Dnipro has to be one of the most expensive options in Kiev you got the full 'let's see how much we can screw this guy' treatment. The set price to take a girl home for the night is $400. I've only been to the Dnipro twice but the last time was as recent as two months ago. I did buy two sets of girls drinks I don't remember being ripped off above and beyond you would be in any western style strip club. Management may have change since the last time I was there.
As far as the club itself, all the girls isn’t as mind-blowing hot as one would expect or want from Kiev. But there is usually one 9 in each shift. I found the Dnipro as a nice option for my first night in Kiev when I am dead tired and have no interest in taking anyone home. However, this is the second recent atrocious posting about the place so thing may have changed for the worst.
Note to all wanting to go, the proper name of the strip club is the Millenium Club, it’s in the Dnipro Hotel.
[QUOTE=One O Nine]You would hope so, but no. This was definitely dollars. They're probably getting it, too, the strip club is right in the hotel and it's probably the one and only resort for the uninformed businessmen in and out of town.
In any case, if this was even Moscow prices I'd probably sit there and wait, but then I also saw that girl drinks were a minimum of 750 hrivnas, so I figured it wasn't worth the effort. Besides she didn't even look like a movie star I like. I usually enjoy the Pierce Patchett angle, adds a little extra thrill, but enough is enough.[/QUOTE]
Well it wasn't as much as the price for me, but rather the atmosphere. $700 is actually pretty reasonable for an in-and-out deal; and $400 is perfectly acceptable. At many a Moscow strip club I've paid God knows how much money working over a girl, ordering drinks, tipping girls for table dances, etc.
If the place is nice, the seats are comfortable, and the girls are beautiful, I don't really care how much it costs me. In Moscow I go to a strip club almost every other night, often just to get in the mood before buying a pro elsewhere. But the Millenium - come on. It's a tiny poorly lit room, you sit on a tiny wooden chair, the waitress I got was a buttertroll, and there was nothing to look at by virtually any standards.
In short, it wasn't that I didn't want to spend the money - I didn't want to spend the money in that particular place.
For anyone who thinks Millenium / Dnipro is a nice strip club, I strongly recommend a tour of Moscow establishments.
If you are paying $700 for a 9 in a US strip club you are over paying. Moscow and Kiev, come on....
I am sure the girls in the Moscow strip clubs must have a shrine with your photo in the dressing rooms. ;)
But you are right, Kiev is lacking a good quality strip club. Maybe because the semi pro scene is so plentiful?
[QUOTE=One O Nine]Well it wasn't as much as the price for me, but rather the atmosphere. $700 is actually pretty reasonable for an in-and-out deal; and $400 is perfectly acceptable. At many a Moscow strip club I've paid God knows how much money working over a girl, ordering drinks, tipping girls for table dances, etc.
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No no, I'm not paying the girl directly - I'm just talking about the overall cost of a strip club visit. A lot of strippers in Moscow are what you could call semi-pros, i.e. they don't just go and have sex with you the second you offer them money. The really, really gorgeous ones will often not even consider sleeping with you the day they meet you, and will try to milk you some more and turn you into a regular.
So, while I never paid a stripper more than $500 for sex, the extra activities end up costing quite a bit, just to get her to that point where she will take the five hundred.
i made it to kiev. wow!!! rented appartment but it was terrible by us standards, could not sleep, packed up at 4:00 am and walked over and under snow 2 blocks to the premier palace where i checked in for about u$500 a day. great place, ridiculous price and $70 a day for internet access in the room. outrageous. vicktoria the receptionist is very beautiful and helpfull, but a 'good girl. 2 days later moved to much cheapper and almost as good radisson for half the price and free high speed internet in the room. pp charged $5 for capuccinos with breakfast, radisson they are free. girls: most none of the pictures in the sites are true. i did 3 girls a day for 3 days straigth. good bless viagra and the beautiful girls of kiev. best things i did include calling an english speaking driver alex (+38 067 771 08 00 [email]ukrorloff@mail.ru[/email]) who is fun, knowledgable, reliable, trustworthly and will actually pickup girls on the road for you.
at the boat i picked up twins masha and tania (21 yo) tall, classy, skinny, beautiful. very good english. paid $400 for both together. sveta who works for lola (+38 067 465 72 82) is young, skinny, very clean but make sure the number of hours and price is clearly set; basic english. lola is the owner of the escort agency (pimp), she is fun, intelligent and a great date for dinner. darya (+38 066 206 74 96) is a great fuck, blonde, young, clean, etc. her pictures on the net are true. victoria (+38 050 861 7176) is about as beatiful a girl can be and a great fuck. she could be a super model, tall, skinny, great skin, great kisser. $100. don't ruin her.
good luck.
PT Sailor:
Glad you liked Kiev and the girls of Kiev... sorry that the apt didnt work out for you. Which agency did you use? My last apartments in Kiev were all great... modern amenities (sometimes even jacuzzi), great location, clean, modern renovation, TV with satellite and DVD etc...
One thing all apartment companies have a problem with is the generally poor condition of the buildings the apartments are in. Elevators, stairwells etc. are in atrocious condition. That's EE though... havent been to a city in EE where that wasnt the case.
Twins? That's fantastic!
If you are using an apartment agency, $100/night - which is a very high rate even for rip off friendly Kiev would get you a 'good' American syle apartment - $150/night would get you a palace. I tend to find very good apartments for around $60-70/night and I still think I am getting screwed.
Sounds like you still managed to enjoy yourself. Thanks for the numbers.
The last two times I've been to Kiev, I've used [url]http://www.kiev-apartments.com.ua[/url], and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. The first time they switched apartments on me, and gave me a completely diferent place - smaller than what I've reserved, no jacuzzi, worse location, but the same price as the better one. The second time, I complained about that and asked for a nice, big apt with a jacuzzi. They recommended one of the apts, and that's the one I got when I came in - but it was missing half of the features listed and photographed on their website, like the microwave and satelite TV. The bedroom was literally a bed, a nightstand, and nothing else. Also, when I reserved the place it was $130 a night, but when I arrived it was suddenly $150, and that's the price they charged me.
The apartments are OK-ish, but I don't think they're very honest people.
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Some of the girls working the apartments is on the same quality if better then GIA. They are mostly girls from other cities in the Ukraine that come to Kiev to make a few quick bucks and leave. I'd prefer a newer girl then some girl that has been on GIA's website for two years.
Most of the foreign clients in Kiev are Russian regardless of the business. However if you had read first timers trips to Kiev on this board you will see that GIA is mentioned 95% of the time. Not that GIA is a bad thing or a good thing. There just are much better options in Kiev for someone such as yourself who is an old pro at the Slavic sex trade.
What do you mean by GIRLS WORKING THE APARTMENTS?
Do you mean girls that works in an apartment?
Where to find the phone numbers to call these apartments?
I've been two times in an apartment in Kiev, 2 different adresses. Both were to get a massage....that I paid 20 dollars for the first apartment and 30 for the other one....
So where to get phone numbers to call girls, that work in apartments?
In RIO ? or other Russian newspapers??
There are many girls in apartments and many apartments in Kharkov. When you call, they sometimes don't want to come to your house and they prefer, that you pass by...
[QUOTE=One O Nine]The last two times I've been to Kiev, I've used [url]http://www.kiev-apartments.com.ua[/url], and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. The first time they switched apartments on me, and gave me a completely diferent place[/QUOTE]
This apartment switching seems to be really common in Kiev. I had the same experience with 3 different providers. See my previous post:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=437081&postcount=1646[/url]
The provider you mentionned is the same as the [url]http://www.apartments.com.ua/[/url] I mentionned. They also switched for me, ... but gave me a cheaper and better one. As I said, go figure....
I'll be back in Kiev end of April. Will try a fourth provider...
I had a good expereince with Edem Club the last time I used them. I contacted them last minute, within a week of my arrival in Kiev. A friend of mine was supposed to rent me his rental apartment in Kiev but then rented it out to a yearly client. I rented one apartment for the NYE rush and was then supposed to spend the rest of my trip in the old Communist Party headquaters on Khreschatyk. But the apartment there was a slightly remodeled upscale Soviet apartment. While it is nice to be part of history I like something more western. I called Ludmila and she showed me two apartments. One was good with a great location and the other was great with a good location. I picked the one with the great location. The only bad thing I have to say about the apartment is that the satellite TV card was actually valid and worked. I had 400 channel of the most aweful crap I had seen in my life - Italian - Spanish - Indian and Arabic TV. The worst part was that I couldn't get any of the local stations, which I kind of like. Oh and paying by CC was an annoying process where I had to go to another office. My experience was above par with what I have to come to expect with Kiev rental agencies. However, Barton Junk who I had recommended to them didn't have such a good experience. So with everything in Kiev, YMMV. I don't think there are any rock solid apartment agencies in Kiev. If I find one I will be sure to post it.
[QUOTE=One O Nine]The last two times I've been to Kiev, I've used [url]http://www.kiev-apartments.com.ua[/url], and
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Girls in apartment line ups who will do onsite or offsite full service.
Most of the english speaking rags have ads for them. Kiev Post, What's On to name two, if you want more info PM me and I will be more then happy to tell you.
I've done the Kharkov apartment experience with Traveling Male. We didn't have much luck in Kharkov - but I think we traveled there at the worst possible time.
[QUOTE=Volpone]
What do you mean by GIRLS WORKING THE APARTMENTS?
Do you mean girls that works in an apartment?
Where to find the phone numbers to call these apartments?
I've been two times in an apartment in Kiev, 2 different adresses. Both were to get a massage....that I paid 20 dollars for the first apartment and 30 for the other one....
So where to get phone numbers to call girls, that work in apartments?
In RIO ? or other Russian newspapers??
There are many girls in apartments and many apartments in Kharkov. When you call, they sometimes don't want to come to your house and they prefer, that you pass by...[/QUOTE]
Yeah. I keep expecting a Western-style experince, where I know that a certain amount of money basically buys me peace of mind, and I can rely on a company to provide excellent service without me having to worry, double-check or complain. They just don't have that culture in Eastern Europe, and the laziness is so contagious that even most Western-run businesses there eventually succumb to it. CaT of course notwithstanding.
All I want is to have a nice place to take the girls to, a big fridge to store all the booze, and a clean jacuzzi to relax in after a hard day's night. Apparently that's too much to ask for.
I suppose my own troubles stem from the fact that I trusted the provider, and didn't hound them to no end to make sure I get what I wanted. What I should have done, and what I will do in the future, is to appear a complete anal-retentive prick when reserving something, and even more so if I'm ever unhappy with anything. If a company can't be bothered to police itself, we shouldn't let them get away with it.
Whenever I'm nice to people, I always come to regret it.
Oooh! I'm in Kiev now. Yesterday I picked up two girls:
[url]http://www.fate.com.ua/page/KristinkaKyiv/[/url] and
[url]http://www.destiny.com.ua/babeone/[/url]
It was something amazing. Today I can't look at girls :))
Paid $300 for both together (night).
I the manager [url]http://www.kiev-apartments.com.ua[/url]. It is very a pity that I see when write lie about our agency. We never change apartments in the worst party. It is very a pity that that who writes does not name the name. At us good reputation, we have tens clients every month and you Mr. X cannot
[QUOTE=One O Nine]The last two times I've been to Kiev, I've used [url]http://www.kiev-apartments.com.ua[/url], and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. The first time they switched apartments on me, and gave me a
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]
Most of the english speaking rags have ads for them. Kiev Post, What's On to name two, if you want more info PM me and I will be more then happy to tell you.
My own experience with those anouncements of Kiev post and what's on is simply awful, they ask you what you want, and no matter what you ask, they will send you what they have. Their game is this: you are horny, you will get more horny while you wait the girl, so you will acept any fuckable thing we will send you. Three experiences with them and the three very bad
Tell on the phone that you send her back if she does not do the things you asked for!!!
The agency will think twice before they will send you a girl. If you don't do that, they will indeed send you the girl who waited the longest time at home or in some kind of nightclub/disco. Just the colour of hair will match :-)))))
For you guys that speak Russian, and that also means you 109, if you have the facility to speak Russian, you should if you want to use Gia. Since we spend a lot of time talking about them, they just split their prices into a Russian language email and an English language email. Below are the comparisons. The locals just love to rip off visitors.
KRISTINA,ILONA,KATIA,ELENA,ALLA,DASHA,NASTIA,VIOLA,RITA,ZOYA,MARTA,GALINA,INGA,OLGA,SVETA,ZARINA,YULA,LARISA,KSYUSHA:
1 hour 100$,2 hours 130$,3 hours 160$,4 hours 190$,8 hours 260$,1 day 400$,2 days 700$,3 days 1000$.
For Russian Speakers:
1 hour 90$,2 hours 110$,3 hours 140$,4 hours 170$,8 hours 220$, (I guess locals don't stay more than 8 hours)
BJ without condom,CIM,CIF,COB + 10$
BJ without condom,CIM,CIF,COB Free for locals (ILONA,KATIA,ELENA,ALLA,DASHA,VIOLA,RITA,MARTA,OLGA,ZOYA,GALINA,INGA,SVETA,ZARINA,LARISA,YULA,KSYUSHA)
All the rest as listed below is the same for locals or visitors
* Anal + 20$ (INGA,LARISA)
* Lesbi + 15$ (KRISTINA,ELENA,ALLA,NASTIA,VIOLA,RITA,MARTA,OLGA,INGA,ZARINA,LARISA,KSYUSHA) Same for locals
* Play with toys (MARTA,ZOYA,INGA,SVETA,YULA,LARISA)
* 69 (KRISTINA,ILONA,KATIA,ELENA,ALLA,NASTIA,DASHA,VIOLA,RITA,MARTA,OLGA,ZOYA,GALINA,INGA,SVETA,ZARINA,YULA,LARISA,KSYUSHA)
* Kissing (KRISTINA,ILONA,KATIA,ELENA,ALLA,DASHA,VIOLA,RITA,MARTA,OLGA,ZOYA,GALINA,INGA,SVETA,ZARINA,YULA,LARISA,KSYUSHA)
* Masturbation (KRISTINA,ILONA,KATIA,ELENA,ALLA,NASTIA,DASHA,VIOLA,RITA,MARTA,OLGA,ZOYA,GALINA,INGA,SVETA,ZARINA,YULA,LARISA,KSYUSHA)
* Good English (KRISTINA,ILONA,ELENA,ALLA,NASTIA,YULA,LARISA)
* We arrange comfortable and private apartments for meeting - 20$.
Duke and 109, fact is that you two are speaking about the same issue. Here you have to behave more like the locals which means that you have to be much more demanding and assertive about what you want. If the ladies are goblins, it is common and standard practice to send them away with 20 grivna taxi money. If they seemed to have come out from under rocks, you might not even open the door and send them off without the taxi payment.
The same with the apartment. You have to make it clear to the locals here that you will not tolerate any bullshit from them and upfront. They may not believe you since they think they have the upper hand so you may need a plan B to show them you do mean what you say.
Ukraine is still pretty much of a disaster when it comes to "decent" and honest business practices so just be careful what you do here and how you do it.
Nice to see you back Uke. I thought you got stuck on the slow train to Lugansk. ;)
Was in Kiev last week for work.
As I did not feel like looking speding time looking for freebies, I made some contacts over internet.
The fist one I called was Nadya. I had pictures and she is simply looking good. Well I called her directly upon my arrival. Nice contact, but she said she had to o with her mother do something and I should call back in 2 hours. Well I did not feel like wating. So contact number 2 = Oksana. I did not have pics from her but talked to her on phone before. She is student. I called and she said no problem let us meet. We said we meet in front of some cafe in center kiev and since we do not know how we look like, we agreed to let our portable phone ring upon arrival. Well I wait and suddenly a 200 pounds girl wating starts to take her phone. Ahhhhh I was ready to run away. But only falösch alarm: -) 5 minutes later somes a nice tall blong gril and with beautiful smile. We go for a coffee and she was pretty much flirting with me (Note: the escort was not really clear at this point). Anyway after a while she says she has to meet a freind and call me in 2 hours. Hummm. No choice so I wait. 2 hours later she calls back and said she talked a lot about me with her girlfreind and that they would like to try sex at three. Only her friend saw a nice bag for 100$ and was wondering if I would give her the moey fot it. No Problemo! We meet again in front of the cafe and nice surprise the friend is a (very) young nice looking brunette. Well we go home, drink some wine and start to talk and flirt. Suddenly they say they have to go to the bath room. I am thinking typical girls: -)) 5 minutes later 2 naked girls are coming out of bathroom and invite me to join in the bed room. No need to insist. Well first deep kissing with both. Then they started to do me blow job together and lick each ball. I also enjoy licking both pussies and sex was quite nice. After 3 hours they told me they had to go. I had nothing againt it. I just felt like sleeping. They told me they really enjoed this first experience. Nice (but I am not sure it was true. Who cares: -)))
Second day, I made an appointement with a gril I met in internet. She is from russia. It was more serious because she said she wants more a relatioship (and I am single so no problem). She was beutiful. First day together I had one meeting for work for 2 hours and she went shopping. Then we spend some time together visiting the city (yes Kiev is nice). First evening we spent a romantic time together (but only kissing). Well She made me hot.
Second evening. I could get more and sex was simply good: )
In The morning she went back to russia and I had one day left in Kiev. I was wondering if I should call contact number 2. But I decided to go for contact number 3 (yes, guys I really prepared my trip in advance). She was maybe not as beautiful as others but more like a party girl. We met in a cafe and spend long time talking and laughing. Then she showed me some nice place in Kiev. Then we got some food and went to some bars where we could dance. Well we got closer, but she said she was not looking for one night stand. I said ok: ) I think at 4am I went home (alone) and called gia (was horny). Well as sometimes described here, they just hang up on me. Called kiev escort and said I wanted young, english speaking brunette. They said 30 minutes. 35 minutes later, phone rings and I have to pick up the lady downstairs. I do that and meet a nice looking brunette (8/9). She was very sweet and nice to talk to. We took a shower together and had sex for 2 hours (no CIM: -(((). But girl friend experience.
Well it was my first time in Kiev and for sure not last one.
Cruiser,
Actually, I had been captured and held prisoner in a Korean massage parlor in the East 20s of NYC. I did not really try to escape but it is now back to Kiev. I really am looking forward to the return.
Been searching the Board to try and figure out, currently, who is the best apartment rental agency to rent from (3 to 4 days in start April). Lots of mixed reviews, so I guess I'm trying to get the latest info on the least-likely-to-screw-the-foreigner-apartment-rental-agency (bit of an oxymoron).
A link and a comment are all I need, and I know that whatever recommendation a fellow monger makes is only provisional. It all depends on how pushy you are when they try the old switcheroo.
Thanks,
Europe 74
Have lurked here long enough and at last looks like a deal to get to Kiev for long weekend starting 16/3 or 23/3 for 4-5 days. Just to say the info from this site so far has been inspirational and immensely useful. Thanks one and all. As of this morning I just await confirmation of apartment. If any one is in theatre at the same time feel free to pm me and hook up for a cheeky beer or 2. Plan to post here after. Seems the least I can do after almost a year of regularly keeping upto date on your postings here.
Hi,
I am staying at Rus Hotel in beginning of April. How does it work if I want to take a girl up to my room? Anything special to watch out for?
Perhaps visiting a girl would be better?
Hi,
I went to Kiev in January and used [url]http://www.kievlet.com/[/url] to rent an apparment in Kiev. It was about 10 minutes walk to Kreschatik street and very quiet, clean and nice apparment. It was advertised at 64 euro's a night but I said I wanted an appartment for 50 euros. They said I could have it for 50 euros a night, excellent. I'm going back to kiev in 2 weeks time and I'm renting the same appartment. This company is excellent, I arranged a taxi thru from the airport as well, 20 euros.
I got driven to their office, and english guy runs the company, and also gave me some advice of the nice sports in Kiev.
Anyway, a great company if you want to rent an appartment, I was there 10 days.
Lee
[QUOTE=Europe 74]Been searching the Board to try and figure out, currently, who is the best apartment rental agency to rent from (3 to 4 days in start April). Lots of mixed reviews, so I guess I'm trying to get the latest info on the least-likely-to-screw-the-foreigner-apartment-rental-agency (bit of an oxymoron).
A link and a comment are all I need, and I know that whatever recommendation a fellow monger makes is only provisional. It all depends on how pushy you are when they try the old switcheroo.
Thanks,
Europe 74[/QUOTE]
No problems! Only the rooms in Hotel Rus are very small!! You rather take an apartment if you still can change!
Kiev 2006,
I've stayed at Hotel RUS a few times, a true 1 star property if there ever was one. Girl action is in the bar area and no problems with taking them upstairs, they've paid off security already. I've had average luck, one good f*** and one very average f***. Both were in the USD120 range. The girls are looking for a quickie to get back down to the bar, so make sure you are clear about what services and length of time. Girls are between 5-8 in looks, usually a little older than the RP or other service providers.
The President Hotel next door (they share the same site) has a small casino and 'men's club'. The club costs (USD20, or is used to) to get in and then the hard sell by the girls starts, with lady drinks et all, no deals here. I've heard of clubs in the area where the bouncers will get you girls (based on previous posts in the Kiev forum). Never tried that route but might be option.
Word of caution, the two hotels a few blocks away from the main action of downtown. And a few blocks in Kiev can make all the difference between getting 'stung' by the old 'money drop' trick and have a nice walk to TGIF or other ex-pat hangout.. Stay focused and determined when you walk around, after they 'know' you're a tourist.
Good luck,
Europe 74
Good luck,
Europe
[QUOTE=Kiev2006]Hi,
I am staying at Rus Hotel in beginning of April. How does it work if I want to take a girl up to my room? Anything special to watch out for?
Perhaps visiting a girl would be better?[/QUOTE]
In Hotel Rus you must pay 20$ for the Security when you take a girl to your Room.
Spacelau, what websites did you use?
Well, finally I’m in Moscow. I’ve done all my business on Wednesday and just decided to relax on Thursday and Friday (thanx god my wife stayed at home). So I spent about 20 minutes of my priceless time to find girl for myself:
[url]http://fate.com.ua/page/fotacom[/url] (real pics!!!)
Guys, I have to say that cold weather doesn’t affect the Russian women. These young lady were as hot as fire. This couple cost me 350$ for a night, but girl worked every cent. I recommend.
Well, finally I’m in Kiev. I’ve done all my business on Wednesday and just decided to relax on Thursday and Friday (thanx god my wife stayed at home). So I spent about 20 minutes of my priceless time to find girl for myself:
[url]http://fate.com.ua/page/fotacom[/url] (real pics!!!)
Guys, I have to say that cold weather doesn’t affect the Russian women. These young lady were as hot as fire. This couple cost me 350$ for a night, but girl worked every cent. I recommend.
Goldfinger,
Funny I got Email from this girl today. She is asking when I come back. I wish I knew :)
Well I am using many sites, depending what I search and what nationalities are mainly represented. [url]www.date.com[/url] is not bad, you can chat and I met some girls from poland using it. [url]www.ukraine-kontakt[/url] is also not bad. But if you are just sending a mail with I look for escort, just forget it. You have to be a bit creative I guess, otherwise no answer. There are some more sites, but I am not at home, so I need to check the exact name.
Guys, I miss Kiev already :-(((
i returned from kiev about 3 weeks ago. this was my fourth visit and i should be able to continue to visit every 4 months or so for some time. here is my experience, mostly from my latest visit, but also a general impression from every visit.
hotels in kiev are overpriced for what you get. you definitely want an apartment for the value. unlike russia, you're not depending on a hotel for visa registration. the aparments at [url]www.uarent.com[/url] are for real and it's a legitimate and professional business operation. apartments are well-appointed, satellite tv with some english channels, cleaned about every 3 days or so, high-speed internet by request (make sure you request it, even if the apartment says it has it). don't count on a particular apartment (typical kiev b.s. -- last minute changes). insisting on a specific apartment is just frustrating, but i've had good luck with insisting on location (i.e. near independence square). pick-up and drop-off from the airport is $30 each way. the terminal at kiev-boryspil airport is tiny by comparison with other large cities. expect minimal delays through immigration and customs.
my opinion is that gia is the best way to get your feet wet with the girls. $400 for 24 hours is a bargain for what is essentially a courtesan-type experience. most of the girls are generally up for anything including clubbing, dining, exploring, etc. and they are generally very polished, friendly, and elegant. nice girlfriend-type experience. my personal favorite from my last visit was dasha, a real bundle of energy who kept me going all day and night.
i've only been to one hotel club -- millenium at the dnipro hotel. the girls were consistently the best-looking i've seen anywhere, but a little less pleasant to be around (stuck up). in addition, it's a rip-off. your drinks are normal, but one for the girl could be $100. it's a minimum of $400 to take a girl home, and they will not negotiate (unusual for kiev -- must be the house rules).
river palace is a great place for guaranteed action. you know those places that people say "anyone could get laid here"? well, i've been to them all and left empty-handed, except at river palace. it's pot-luck, but if you want to leave with someone, you will. it gets started late (pretty much empty until about 11 or 12). there will be some pretty girls -- some pro, some just looking to make an extra buck or two, and some who are there to dance and/or drink. if you're looking for paid companionship, it's possible to negotiate to $100, depending on the various factors involved. in typical ukrainian fashion, the girls are generally very girlfriend-like, but usually not as much so as gia. you may not be able to negotiate an all-nighter, especially with the amateurs, who want to get home early enough for ma and pa not to get suspicious.
arena city is a decent place for a little high-end professional action. i usually start out in the brewhouse on the ground floor. the bartenders are friendly, although a mixed drink is not likely to end up the way you want it. they're ok with jack and coke, but anything more complicated escapes them. i think they're just not familiar with the mixed drink concept. most ukrainians seem to drink their liquor straight-up and unmixed. there's a 95% chance that any girl(s) sitting at the bar is a professional, usually a very attractive one. i've occasionally been lucky enough to take home a gorgeous and talented girl for the entire night for $150. there's live music some nights, good musicians but they usually sing phonetically in english (this can be hilarious if you listen closely). the food is quite good, although above average in price for kiev.
the disco upstairs in arena city is one of the better ones. the cover is $20 for men, $10 for women. don't ask for a table unless you're prepared for a $20 table to become a $500 table when it's time for the check. beautiful girls here, including several pros, especially on the weekend. they are hard to negotiate below $300. i guess they figure you paid a $20 cover, you can afford $300.
that's enough for now, i guess. i'll be back in june. cheers.
sr
[QUOTE=Srilm]My personal favorite from my last visit was Dasha, a real bundle of energy who kept me going all day and night.[/QUOTE]
Hi Sirlm,
Great report.
Could you please post some more details about Dasha (and perhaps some of the other Gia girls you sampled) ?
- real looks as oposed to the website pictures
- level of English
- performance
- etc.
Thanks in advance!
[QUOTE=BBBJ]Hi Sirlm,
Great report.
Could you please post some more details about Dasha (and perhaps some of the other Gia girls you sampled) ?
Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]Surely,
The Gia website is about as honest as a website can be. The prices are as quoted and I've never been asked for even one dollar more. The price will be verified when you call. The photos are accurate, with the caveat that these are professional photos, and no doubt the girls try to look their best. I was very pleased with Dasha, who is even prettier than her photos when she's smiling and having a good time. Most of these girls are not show-pony types who spend hours a day at the gym and have model-perfect figures. They are pretty, young girls with nice figures who are perfect for the girlfriend-type experience. If you're looking for a one-hour deal, you would probably be happier at River Palace -- it all just depends on what you are looking for. English level is accurate as shown on the web site. If it says English (base) don't expect her to know much more than a few words. Gia usually will try to talk you into an English-speaking girl if you don't speak Russian or Ukrainian. I spent some time with Zoya, who was much quieter and quite shy, but pleasant enough to be around. There is also a girl named Karolina who is a lot of fun -- she's not on the website now as she's back home for a month. Performance is good -- I suppose it depends on how you mesh with girl. Some have been good, some have been great. Pay attention to her page on the website and you won't have any unpleasant surprises when she balks at a request. Most are very willing as long as you don't whip out the chains and handcuffs :)
To BBBJ and Srilm:
This is very interesting (seriously!). Because Dasha is down on my GIA's scale! Not partecipating, she talk too much (and only in Russian.... this is good for me, that I have to learn quickly this language, but not for all).
My best choices at GIA are Inga (photos pretty real) and Marta (much older than pictures, but a jem of prettyness.
INGA gives a true GFE, Marta less. Both are really good at BBBJ.
Uh, GandJim, if you will pick INGA, she's for you for sure!
Any here use this company to rent apartments from? On my one visit to Kiev, I used UAapartments.com and was required to pay the obligatory one-night deposit to hold the apartment before arrival. No security deposit was held.
I am looking at a nice apartment with [url]www.UkraineApartments.Com[/url], but they want a larger than one-night deposit and they want to hold it as a security deposit until my departure ($445 to be exact). I'm not familiar with what is customary there in Ukraine, yet I know that I really don't have any legal means to recover my security deposit should they up and decide to not give it back upon leaving. Any experiences with this site would be welcome. Thanks!
All the agencies I have dealt with have just asked for a one night deposit to hold the room. I would be very leery of a company asking for such a large amount upfront. Although I did use [url]www.UkraineApartments.Com[/url] when I went to Kharkov and they did actually ask for a security deposit - it was only $10 which I gave to him while I was standing with him in the apartment. Also, I think the website is just a front end for a bunch of agents - so you aren't actually dealing with one big company per se.
Bottom line is no one else asks for a security deposit in Kiev.
[QUOTE=Lovedatslavicass]Any here use this company to rent apartments from? On my one visit to Kiev, I used UAapartments.com and was required to pay the obligatory one-night deposit to hold the apartment before arrival. No security deposit was held.
I am looking at a nice apartment with [url]www.UkraineApartments.Com[/url], but they want a larger than one-night deposit and they want to hold it as a security deposit until my departure ($445 to be exact). I'm not familiar with what is customary there in Ukraine, yet I know that I really don't have any legal means to recover my security deposit should they up and decide to not give it back upon leaving. Any experiences with this site would be welcome. Thanks![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]All the agencies I have dealt with have just asked for a one night deposit to hold the room. I would be very leery of a company asking for such a large amount upfront.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback. I totally agree. Considering there is basically no way for me to fight it legally if they decided not to give the $445 back upon departure, I'd be a fool to trust them. Just thought I'd ask to see if this is something you guys have ran into in the past. $10 is reasonable... even if you don't get it back. $445 for a security deposit is an insult, and a tourist trap.
Hopefully after this summer I will have more to contribute to this forum. On my one trip to Kiev last fall, I spent some time walking around Kreschatik at around 22:00-23:00.
One thing I noticed around this time, walking through the metros that go underneath the street intersections in Kiev, were girls walking alone... dressed like hookers (OK, many girls there dress like hookers, but, these girls were dressed to kill.) Anyway, the girls are walking alone in the smoky underground hallways and maybe talking on a cell phone. Anytime I tried to make eye-contact, I didn't get any signals that they were working girls, but then again many girls in Kiev won't even look at you unless you call them by name. It puzzled me that a girl (at worst a 7 or 8 on the scale) would be walking around alone in the cold night in these dirty tunnels. They weren't going anywhere fast, just hanging around the hall-way. If they weren't working, I could not think of any other reason why they weren't with a friend or a man.
Have any of you noticed this? Perhaps my questions seem a bit naive, but not speaking Russian, I couldn't exactly walk up to them and ask a quote for 2 hours.
Also, have any of you tried the strip club/casinos on Lesi Ukrainki Blvd? Stopped into one and it was like no strip club I've been to here in the States. 3 in the morning and the girls were stunning! Did not stay long, but I understand one of these girls can be had for the night at $100?
Also, coming back to the apartment at around 03:00-04:00am I always noticed a woman standing at the corner. I'd go back out a few minutes later to the market down the street to pick up a few items, just out of curiousity and the chick is still standing there. I saw the same chick in the same spot several nights in a row and thought maybe she was waiting on a bus. A 5 or 6 on the scale at best and I wasn't about to pursue it, but everything seems so much more bold in Kiev if all these are working girls.
Again, forgive my ignorance, just trying to understand the landscape...
I just paid my first visit to Kiev and used a guide that somebody recomended on the Board with great success. His name is Alex and he speaks very good English, he is a young guy, he knows all the hot spots and is game to play longside. He drives a Mercedes SUV and his number is +380677710800 I recomend him. I rented an appartment through somebody else and it was really shity. He showed me some great appartments that i could have rented for a third of what a room at the Radisson is. Next time i will ask him to rent an appartment for me. You will not go wrong with Alex. Kiev is paradise, second only to Moscow, in my experience.
Does anyone from the board who is in Kiev now want to hook up and do some mongering? Likely heading out to Areana or Caribbean Club tonight.
PM me
The metro in Kiev, like most of the world is the mass transit light rail system. In the US we just call it the subway. In London (is it called this in the rest of England too?) it's called the tube or underground. What you are referring to are the underground pedestrian passage ways that allow you to cross busy streets without become introduced to the Ukrainian emergency medical system. A few contain metro stops and shopping areas.
Rule of thumb for sorting out girls in that situation. If you smile at her and she smiles back she is either a working girl or she thinks you are hot. If you aren't hot then she is a working girl. Either way it is an invite to strike up a conversation.
[QUOTE=Lovedatslavicass]Hopefully after this summer I will have more to contribute to this forum. On my one trip to Kiev last fall, I spent some time walking around Kreschatik at around 22:00-23:00.
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Again, forgive my ignorance, just trying to understand the landscape...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Although I did use [url]www.UkraineApartments.Com[/url] when I went to Kharkov and they did actually ask for a security deposit - it was only $10 which I gave to him while I was standing with him in the apartment. Also, I think the website is just a front end for a bunch of agents - so you aren't actually dealing with one big company per se.[/QUOTE]They have lowered the security deposit request to $250, if ONLY I send them a copy of my passport. I've seen apartment sites that request a passport #, but never an actual copy. Of course, I am aware that stolen passports do happen, and for that reason, I am not going to scan my fucking passport for them. Nor am I coming off $250 for a security deposit. The girl from [url]www.UkraineApartments.com[/url] I am e-mailing is named Elena. She's e-mailing me from the main website domain name, so I am pretty certain she is an agent for the owner of this apartment. Maybe the owner is just an ass and she's trying to create a happy medium. Lots of bargaining from her end though.
From my prior experience in Kiev, it seems the agent or owner could really just have no idea what they really need or want. After all, why would somebody put down a one-night deposit, let alone a security deposit, if they weren't really coming to Ukraine? I was blown away by the ineptitude of another popular apartment site who I won't name on the public forum. I thought I was going to miss my flight out of Borispol, because the hot chick manager claimed I had requested another night stay at a totally different apartment. I was like 'ummm... where the fuck are you taking me and why?' She had the audacity to ask me on the phone several times if I was 'sure I hadn't requested another apartment??' I'm like 'nyet! spasibo! my fucking plane leaves for London in 3 hours!' Of course, I remained calm and respectful, but I was so livid inside. I see a mix of ineptitude and con-artistry in the apartment rental business in Ukraine. I sense the ineptitude many times is a cover for the con-artistry. How far off am I?
The reason why they ask for one night is that if the person contacting them is an internet dreamer they don't lose out. Once they figure out you aren't coming when you don't show up that night all they are out is that one night which is covered by the one night advance, seems reasonable to me. As far as the problems you are having with the security deposit issue. I would guess it is either something the owner demands (very very very few agencies actually own the apartment) or they are just getting off a bad incident. Why don't you just compromise and tell her you will work something out when you are actually in Kiev renting the apartment. That way both parties can better size up the other.
I think when it comes to the 'known' apartment agencies it more of a case of just poor (or Ukrainian) business practices then an outright scam.
Umm, maybe the hot apartment manager was asking if you were spending another night because she wanted to spend it with you. ;) PM me with the other apartment agency name if you would.
[QUOTE=Lovedatslavicass]They have lowered the security deposit request to $250, if ONLY I send them a copy of my passport. (stuff deleted)[/QUOTE]
Excuse me guys, but when did this site change into the InternationalApartmentGuide
[QUOTE=Tremayne]Excuse me guys, but when did this site change into the InternationalApartmentGuide[/QUOTE]
LOL! That was funny!
Hi fellow mongers,
first trip to Kiev coming in late April. Can anyone suggest a website that is available in English? Looking for independents or reliable agencies.
Thanks
Hello, friends!
I would like to present you the very beatiful and young Kiev prostitute. All have quite normal pictures in their questionnaires, so you can make it out.
[url]http://www.destiny.com.ua/zhasmin_1986[/url] (3-8-097-898-68-81, 100$ for hour)
You have to be registered to see the big pictures. Registration is free and if you know what and where you should push it will take a couple of minutes. Just don't ask how much time it took for me :))
So, how to be registered:
1. Click on the word "Регистрация" (Registration) at the upper left.
2. If a questionnaire did not appear push the big green button named "Регистрация"(Registration).
3. Fill the questionnaire:
"Логин" = enter your login (try make your login longer so it won't be already occupied, but if is occupied the system will suggest to choose the other variant)
"Пароль" = password
"еще раз"(once again) = here you shall repeat your password
E-mail - well, you know what to do :))
"Ваше имя:"(Your name) - just enter your name here. Actually you can write here anything, but it should consist of one word.
"Ваш пол:"(Your sex) - choose your sex ("Мужской"(male)/"Женский"(female))
"Дата рождения:"(Date of birth) - enter any date, but you have to choose something
"Место жительства:"(Place of residense) - you also have to choose something here
"С кем бы вы
хотели познакомиться?"(Who you would like to become acquainted with?) - choose with whom you wish to become acquainted :)) (choose "с девушкой" = with a girl)
"Код:"(Code) - enter a code on a picture.
"Я принимаю условия, изложенные в Соглашении о предоставлении услуг"(I accept the terms specified in Agreement about the grant of services) - put a mark and push the button "Зарегистрироваться"(Register).
You will get an e-mail, where you will find a link for confirmation of registration. In principle you can confirm it.
If you still gonna look for the girlies here, otherwise your questionnaire will just be removed in a day.
Well that's all! Have fun!!! :)
landed 22-March, cleared customs in about 15 minutes and went to meet my driver from ua-apartments who was not there, so I hang about there for about 20 mins fighting off the taxi mafia in borisphol! so in the end I have enough and go to the the taxi booth and get one to hotel that I use, figuring that I am fucked will get some sleep and call them in the morning and sort it out! big mistake! when I get there they tell me they only accept e-mail or phone bookings and full (elections monitors)so I throw myself on the sweet desk manager and she starts to ring about, finally she gets me somewhere, double room 53$a night, shrugs her shoulders and gets me taxi to a hotel on the left bank (no names) which to my horror is soviet non renovated job! so I check in and the room is absolutely apalling, so decided not to wait till tomorow, hunt out the internet cafe, on the website go back to my room and call ua apartments asking the obsvious question. Where fuck were you? any way after a brief conversation they send a driver to pick me up and I check out in less than 45 minutes thinking that my ordeal was over! how wrong I was! me and the driver leave the hotel and head to ua apartments office where we pick up julia thier manager and off we go to the apartment I had booked! by now it getting late in the evening. Any way we start going a bit further than I normally like and eventually arrive. We park up all get out and head to the front door and absoutely astounded as they are punching numbers in the lock but it not opening! they have changed the lock code and they don't have it! any way 10 minutes later julia says we will go arround the back and go in the door there and its open! wonderful. Check me in pay 4 nights and she tells me no probems back door never locked! so I sit down read the brochure and it tells me only 5 mins to centre so by now more hungry than tired I reckon I walk in town catch the metro and go to the joss centre and the engish pub there. It must of took me at least 30 minutes to get to the metro station and in total 53 to be in pub having a drink and some thing to eat, looking at the clock it already 1230 so I pay up and get a taxi to the rp which is busy! sit down with a stella and 2 minutes later anastasia sits next to me and ask what I am there for! woman and she says she 200 and we negotiate etc, but there is a problem she has friend and she being awkward with her. Many girls but only a few men in the place and she doesnt want to be left alone. So she trys to persuade me to have both but I am not having any of it and tel her she has 5 mins or I will find someone else. So her and friend arguing and just then 3 blokes sit next them and they are trying on with them trying to get a double act I supose so I go to the bar and run into lara who I had in December, agreed on 125$ and go, anastasia clearly fuming! get a taxi and head back to the apartment, got out paid the taxi and went arround the backdoor only to find out it fucking locked and now I am mad! lara was concerned and said I could go back to her place if I didnot mind it being a bit sparse! and it was! but accepted did the business and at 11 both got taxi back to myne where by now the back door was now open paid her up and called ua told them I wanted the code, hotel or another apartment, they ring me back 5 minutes later and tell me a few codes to try that don't work and they will move me tomorrow to a better apartment nearer the centre! with no more to pay! I say ok make sure I am in by 1800hrs and write the rest of the night off. Driver comes at 1200 picks me up and takes me to the new apartment which is far superior and only 2 mins from globus. Pull up outside and there she is julia who I tell in no uncertain terms what I think about her! but worse was to come we go upstairs sit down and then she asks for another 2 nights rent on top of the 4 already that I have paid her plus 10$ for the driver I tell her to fuck off and I want the manager whom she calls quick conversation in russian says the manager is not available and there is no more to pay! now fellow mongers I want to make this plain julia will take advantage of you if she has the chance and be wary of her! as regards to ua there appartments were clean and safe and all the other mambers of staff were ok and did what they contracted to do! now settled and being fri I go to see the show at joss 12$ticket starts at 2230 goes on for about 2 hours and it was good after the show they have a bit if a disco and out of nowhere 8-9 young girls 18-26 came in and started dancing I am not saying they are working or from the strip club next door I didnot stop long enough but worth a visit to find out next time! left about 1 and went rp where just as I got there the turks were leaving with there bonde booty for the night! had look arround and spotted yulia having a drink by the clock near the bar. 200$ total waste of money probally new to it all and I don't think she knew what really what to put up, responsive but wouldnot take that extra step that most of them do and become invoved but I didnot care really after week I had. Sat had lara again as reward for putting me up when I was in distress. Never managed to get to moda tremayne but will eventually next time! thought rp was very poor really and the girls with a few exceptions were really not upto much! there was a far better ratio Wednesday than Friday! just a final thought when I first met lara in dec she was with 3-4 friends who she tells have now given it up as they cannot make rp pay and she is thinking of taking a legit job.
Bandit7
[blue]Hi,
This is just a suggestion, so please don't take it the wrong way.
I appreciate the details in your report, but I know from experience that a lot of people find it easier to read a report if the paragraphs are separated by a single blank line.
I know how this happens: You're banging away at the keyboard, putting your thoughts into the report as fast as you can write them. However, if you could hit the return key TWICE at the end of each paragraph, your report would be much easier to read, which would certainly be appreciated by your fellow Forum Members.
Thanks,
[i]Jackson[/i][/blue]
Hey, how much were you actually paying per day for your flat?
b7... Your report points out a couple of things that are important to anyone who wants to rent an apartment in the FSU...
1. Always get a mobile number that functions all night AND with someone who can speak English on the other end.
2. If you have another option, even for more money, avoid Soviet-style apartments if you can.
3. If you have ANY question about the quality or service when you check in, do not pay for the full stay in advance, pay only the next day.
4. If possible, make sure that you are delaing with an organization who understands that you expect reasonable service. This can normally be accomplished by looking at this website and maybe their website to determine if others recommend the company.
5.. ALWAYS try to deal with a company who is renting their OWN flats and are not operating as a broker... VERY FEW actually own their own flats, but this will prevent the codes from being changed and having to work through a middle man when something breaks.
Remember that you may encounter a problem with ANY apartment, but the real winners are the apartment rental companies who will respond immediately, no matter what time, to correct a problem and don't try to jack you around with misrepresentations or bait and switch flats. At the same time, remember that this is the FSU and sometimes things happen that are out of the control of everyone, including the rental companies and the owners, that's why you should try to minimize any problems by dealing only with rental companies who own their own apartments... it saves one level of hassle for everyone.
We used the services of kievlet.com the last couple of times in Kiev. Probably not the best deal available, prices on the website are in euro, but Gary from England and his staff will take good care of you. Only problem we had last time was the missing backup water heater, make sure the apartment is equipped with one, otherwise you might wait for hot water every now and then, not the best option if you have a date and are in a hurry.
following article is from the "kyiv post". the new club "dance and groove" was formerly known as "tschaikovsky". disco "ring" is run by one of eric aigner´s friends from germany, we visited the club on womans day, girl-guy ratio was about 98 to 2, no nines or tens though, lots of students and school girls, definitely worth a visit.
"Get the party started: ten hot new clubs
Dancing just keeps getting easier here, so shake off the snow and show us what you've got!
Kyiv’s club scene just keeps on growing. But it’s not only a question of quantity: the ever-increasing number of venues allows for much higher service quality as well. Unfortunately, of course, that’s not always the case – but out of the ten new clubs we’re listing you’re bound to find one or two that fit both your budget and your nightlife demands.
Back to the future
All fans of retro rejoice: During the last six months Kyiv’s dance scene was furnished with three new spots reproducing the atmosphere of ‘60s freak-outs as well as disco’s golden era.
The “cosmic” interior of club 1961 sends you back to the time of Barbarella with its dim lighting, shiny metal ceiling pipes, chrome chairs and tables, and glaring mirrors that send flashes down the bar. And, of course, don’t miss the short-skirted “cosmic” waitresses as well.
Apart from the cocktail parties that take place here every night, the Cubano Boom Party is held each Friday for fans of Latin music. And 1961’s D.I.S.C.O. party offers all the greatest dance hits of the ‘70s and ‘80s every Sunday. When your legs get tired take a break at the cozy sushi bar with its comfortable sofas. Just put on your best disco outfit and get on the dancefloor.
Azhur was also designed to resemble American clubs of the ‘60s and ‘70s with its chic simplicity and flights of retro style. Bartenders and waitresses comply with the interior, dressed as Elvis and Marilyn accordingly.
Once a week you can dance to the sentimental tunes of old Soviet bands. Other nights provide hippie-era hits, and arm wrestling contests are held every week. But be warned, the face control is really strict – visitors older than 25 and dressed either in retro or rock-n-roll styles have the best chance of getting in.
Sexily named Pomada (Lipstick) consists of three different “zones” – a dance floor with glass walls and ceiling, a bar and a tiny stage; the “white” hall – a soundproof lounge zone; and the “red” hall, where you can relax on one of the three comfortable corner sofas and hide from the crowds. The music played at Pomada is “light and melodious,” including Russian and Western pop hits and latin music. In fact Pomada has already become one of the favorite spots of the gay community, though heterosexual couples also number among the club patrons.
1961, Entertainment Center Ultramarine, 1A Uritskoho, 200-1961
Azhur, 3 Leontovycha, 234-7494
Pomada, 6 Zankovetskoyi, 279-5552
Rock-n-roll lives
In the past year the number of live music clubs has grown considerably, please both the fans of live music and the bands themselves, who now have more opportunities to prove themselves worthy of an audience. What’s more, these clubs are usually much more democratic, with hardly any face control at all and generally quite affordable prices for both entry and drinks—definitely another reason to like them.
Ring gets its name from a stage shaped like a boxing ring, situated in the club’s biggest hall that accommodates about 20 tables, a number of isolated booths and a long bar. The second floor hides the balcony and two separate entertainment zones: Jazz Club, with its own mini-stage; and strip bar “69.”
Ring welcomes all sorts of live performers of different calibers, compositions and styles – from intelligent progressive rock and reggae to ethnic music and nu-metal. Every Saturday you can hear three different bands perform in a single night during the Tarakan (cockroach) Party. The name is not incidental, as the entertainment program involves cockroach races that take place inside the transparent bar stand, which has small wooden tracks built into it under the glass. Among notable concerts already held in the club were the heavy music festival Moon Fest, international reggae fest Good Vibes vol. 2 and a solo concert by Esthetic Education.
With its total absence of decor - or even a sign above the entrance - Torba seems to hark back to the times when rock was outlawed in the Soviet Union and any existing bands belonged to the underground scene. The only elements of design at Torba are the posters from the music magazines and portraits of Soviet leaders on the walls as well as heavy wooden tables that look straight out of the 18th century. Not surprisingly, experimental music is most favored here – death-metal, grind-core, death’n’roll, rockabilly – just as long as it’s played well. Inside, an old poster over the door reads “Welcome, members of the Republican conference!” You get the picture?(???)
Just like its Obolon-located older brother Docker Pub, Docker’s ABC resembles your typical bar. With its wooden tables and chairs, the oblong main hall and its long bar have small open pavilions each with a few tables inside. The walls are adorned with ancient advertisements and portraits of rock stars. Another “docker” trademark, the stage is situated behind the bar and the music played is only rock-n-roll. While during day you can hear your favorite classic rock albums, in the evenings there’s live performances from resident club bands as well as guest musicians mostly from Russia, such as punk rockers Nogu Svelo, who played at the club opening.
Ring, 8 Nauki prosp., 524-2209
Torba, 66 Pravdy
Docker`s ABC, 15 Khreshchatyk, 278-1717
God is a DJ
Most clubbing youths still prefers traditional venues with their house and techno— so naturally its these places that are competing most fiercely, trying to drive audiences away from each other by using star DJs, unusual design and particular specialties.
The main color of the interior in Dance and Groove (commonly referred to as D&G) is black with inflections of steel. The two levels of the club and its minimalist design create maximum space for dancing. European DJs and fashionable dance music trends from the West prevail in the musical politics of D&G. The always-glamorous Hed Kandi series of parties already so popular in Europe helped popularize the club as an advanced and high-end dancing venue. But glamour surely has its price--expect serious face control and dress code.
Recently opened Wenzel was at first considered a pre-party spot, but it’s already turned into one of the highlights of the city’s clubbing scene, with five unique zones each designed in a different style, several relaxation halls with sofas and armchairs, a dance floor and a long bar that stretches out across two rooms. During parties the whole brick-walled corridor adorned by scary gargoyles holding flat-screen TVs turns into a dance floor. As for the parties themselves, disco maniacs should appreciate the club’s eclectic and pleasant mixture of deep-house, tech-house, deep-techno, electro-house and other fashionable sounds from guest deejays such as DJ Chloe from Paris who played at the opening.
The newest club on our list, Kaif (Kick), opened just two weeks ago and though first impressions are often wrong, the opening party on March 3 did little to foster a good reputation. Thanks to the efforts of club security, the event - advertised as a party with no entrance fee for everybody holding an Afisha card or invitation - turned into a V.I.P. opening that welcomed only “special guests.” As a result, already before 11 p.m. a large group of people crowded by the entrance to Kaif, being violently pushed back by security, who continued to admit those aforementioned V.I.P. guests.
Those lucky enough to get in found themselves in a broad entrance hall with a coat check and stairs leading up into the spacious lounge zone laid with carpets and supplied with its own bar. Another flight of stairs led down to the main hall with a bar on either side of the room, a stage and a dance floor divided into squares of different colors that lit up from below. Quite empty at first (and that with the crowd outside) the dance floor gradually filled with girls and boys who seemed to care not so much about music and dancing, but showing off their moves before photographers. If the idea was to drive away the gilded youth and big spenders from other hot spots than the aim was certainly achieved. Those who didn’t manage to “get high” at Kaif despite having to fight their way both inside and outside, will hardly want to return. Though with its lavishly hip interior, the place does have potential once the dust settles.
Dance and Groove, 2 Bessarabska ploshcha, 234-3149
Venzel, 66 Velyka Vasylkivska, 287-2520
Kaif, Artema"
One of the good things about WSG is that you can express your opinions and ideas not just about sex but about life in a particular country. The bad thing is that while I and many others have expressed less than sterling opinions of life and business in Ukraine over and over again in all to many posts, many of you still come here expecting things as they are in Western Europe, the US or in other advanced countries.
Don't any of you guys who complain about the rip-offs ever read beyond the first page of the forum before you get here???? If not, I cannot be too sympathetic with your plight.
Now get this right, guys, and I AM shouting, Jackson, for effect...
THE LOCALS CARE ONLY ABOUT HOW THEY CAN RIP YOU OFF, IN WHOLE OR IN PART. THEY ARE DISHONEST, THEY ARE THIEVES AND THEY ARE PROUD OF IT ONCE THEY ROB FROM YOU!
They do not know and do not care about "win-win," they only know about "win-lose," and naturally it is always better that YOU lose.
I have been here too long and seen too much here not to finally get it through my thick skull that this is the way they not only work with foreigners but also with locals. It has nothing to do with your being from abroad, it has everything to do with local culture. Under the czars, under the commissars, it was dog eat dog and survive as best you can. Today, nothing has changed and may even be worse.
Be it apartments, ladies, and anything else, trust no one here unless it is someone like CA Traveler, who is not a local and has a proven track record. However, he is in Odessa and not in Kiev.
In Kiev and throughout Ukraine, be very, very careful.
Uke:
Funny that you post that because after reading the report I was also thinking, "oh, sounds like the Ukraine I remember".
We've all been through apartment hassles in Kiev or elsewhere... all the more important reason to try to find people you can trust. Not easy.
Don't you wish Ca_T was running all the apartment agencies?
Imagine a world with apartments that have more than one towel and... God forbid... internet in the rooms!
You have to roll with the punches in Candyland, otherwise they'll roll you...
Sorry to hear about your bad time Bandit7, but consider it an indoctrination into an exclusive club... :)
Bez booked it through website, shoud have been one of the "hot offers" 129$ reduced to 109$ but it was not avaiable! surprise! surprise! I know it was bait and switch but I knew this! uke boy I agree with everything you say! I have to say it has not put me of kiev or apartments but next time I will go elsewhere with my $!
Doc,
There are too many guys who come here and think the word "agency" attached to any business such as apartments, agency, escorts means something of quality and a "good deal." That is about as far from the truth as possible here.
I think that if anyone pays an agency any more than one night in advance for an apartment, they are fools who really deserve to be ripped off. Most of the places here are not worth the monies spent on them, not for even $20 per night. You are better off in a hotel no matter how many bribes you have to pay to the doorman.
I openly dare and challenge all the apartment agency owners to private email me and prove on the spot that it is otherwise.
I also dare them to openly explain to all in this forum why they need the full price of the stay if their place is a sty and that is no typo. If they do not, then they are the thieves and cowards I have claimed that they are. What is wrong with a one-night deposit as is the case in the West?
I have my own place here in an old Soviet bloc building so I know what life is like in such a place, the good and the bad.
If the locals have any pride of service, let them prove it here.
We know they read it and let them prove it NOW!
The same is true of such escort agencies as Kiev Beauties and all too many others. Let them also prove that they provide the best ladies for the lowest prices for all when we call. Not in a thousand years will the present lousy system change.
Show us all that you can provide service for a fair price and not try to rip everyone off!
By the way, I don't have any of the above problems so I have nothing that I would lose. I know the system, I have my methods and quietly do my "business" without any problems. I am just pissed that so many guys complain after they get there they were ripped off.
I think that the local businesses need to understand you cannot keep ripping everyone off all the time.
Maybe this rant could be one small step to making them understand, but I doubt that.
I've also come to grudgingly expect it from Ukraine (or Russia for that matter, but surprisingly much less so) and adjust accordingly.
One agency that did work well for me was kievlet.com, except for the fucking driver who was hitting on my girlfriend while taking us to the airport assuming I didnt understand him speaking Russian. He looked a bit surprised when he was comically holding out his hand for a tip and I told him off for his insolence. I'm sure he'll remember me, so I guess I have to find another agency now... :)
But dont expect things to change. As long as Ukraine has girls, we'll keep going there. This kind of through and through corruption is also the reason why Ukraine is going to be a third world country with a second world facade for a long long time.
Hiya guy..after reading your report I know you are probably tweakin so I don't want to add any fuel to the fire..but..What the heck are you doing going to JOSS? Why leave the center to go to a 2nd rate club unless you are staying at the hotel that is in the complex?
And to all those in an uproar about being ripped off by apartment agencies, escort agencies and every other agency in the book - I personally hope it continues and gets worst. It will drive all the tourist away and make things better for me. ;) Cruiser D predicts tough times ahead for Ukraine. Look for it to start this summer and snowball over the fall and winter - and I'll be there; Keeping all the hot girls company.
[QUOTE=Bandit7]landed 22-March, cleared customs in about 15 minutes and went to meet my driver from ua-apartments who was no
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Cruiser the believe me I when I say I quite like it, use to stop at the adria in the complex on and of for four years, but more importantaly never got food poisoning there! but its not the hotel on the left bank I was reporting about. And your right I am still tweaking! and believe me I am far more streetwise even in kiev than many people on the board might want to give me credit for. I did not rollover for julia and reported what happened so that others who go have an idea what they are up against! even if it makes me look a little foolish. I would love to go moda, milenium, carribean etc but have never done so through lack of a wingman! lara warned me against arena because of the horendous charges for the tables. Knowledge is power and even though I seem to post my travel plans nobody seems to be there when I am. So I end up in a routine at night where I use what I know and that is joss and rp, please feel free to broaden my horizons with the famous cruiser the guided tour! will be there in may and July 4 days each time and so on. I know you go rp on Wednesday there were 2 bonde twins working! you know anything about them?
Cheers,
Bandit7
ukeB... I'm glad that I read your first post rather than just the most recent one... I was limbering up my fingers to chastise you for your "generalization", but instead I will thank you for your kind words. Also, a tip of the hat to doc, as usual!
In fact, the poor customer service is an opportunity for everyone... Just as I think that Moscow Star raised the bar while I was there, even though it may have edged downward in the past year, I think that my new venture will raise the bar not only in Odessa but even in Kiev when customers begin to demand things that they have seen in ODS and realize that shitty service and lousy equpped apartments are not, by definition, what someone can expect in the FSU!
Having been here for more than ten years, I guess I am just tired and fed up with all the promise and potential just going down your typical stinking Ukrainian toilet.
Cruiser, I have to agree with you that things will get worse. I am not sure if they can ever get better. While I had no great expectations about Yushchenko, he managed to make things a near disaster in seemingly record time. If he really thinks that Ukraine can join the EU during his likely one term in office, he really is an idiot who should be put away in some insane asylum and not running the country.
Perhaps this country would be better off being run by Yanukovich and his criminal mob. The eastern part of Ukraine is run by him and we know what a shithole it is and it will not get any better.
It is not just apartment agencies, escorts agencies, hotels and other businesses catering to tourists that are a problem, it is everything. The supermarkets are overpriced and sell "podelka" or fake goods. The biggest rip-off there is liquor. Most of it is watered down wines, counterfeit Western liquors and anything else these thieves can get away with, which they do. There is an undercurrent element of crime and thievery in almost every company, in almost every business. Unfortunately, that has been a part of culture and society here for so long that it probably won't change. We who come from elsewhere just have to be aware of it and adjust accordingly.
That is not to say that someone like CA Traveler can't have an impact. I hope he does and I hope his honest services for honest prices model does make an impact here. I wish him every success but Odessa, the legendary home of Russian/Ukrainian crime (and comedy) is a tough place to start, worse in most respects concerning corruption and mafias than Moscow.
Doc, you are also right. The only reason to come here is for the girls. Nothing else here is worth it.
Funny you should mention counterfeit stuff Uke. I remember walking through Metrograd looking for some clubbing duds for Barton Junk. The 'Prada' suits looked like they had been sewn together by a three year old. I enjoy going to Kiev but would not trust anything at face value.
Yushchenko is as big a crook as Yanukovich, so is Goldilocks. I don't know what the people were thinking electing him as some kind of reformer. He was neck deep and an ex crony of the prior administration but then again, they didn’t have much choice. At least the people laid the groundwork for something. Unless they become as disillusioned as the Slavs to the north.
And geez, what's up with Ukrainian toilets? Why do I have to wipe my toilets ass after I wipe my own?
Please, guys,
Lets not waist anothers time with blabla about apartments. Everything has been said about every agency there is, and there is always good and bad. And who gives a shit about the toilets.
Wally,
If as you have said you have been here in Kiev every month since July 2005, that means your overall contribution to the forum has been an almost complete lack of sharing in looking over your 8 posts.
Perhaps if you contributed your experiences (if any) on a regular basis then perhaps we can take you somewhat more seriously.
Also, if you don't get it, and it seems you do not, this forum while about sex also allows us to speak up on issues related to life here and how we can avoid being ripped off taken advantage of in one way or another in a country and culture many do not know. If someone is spending two days on apartment issues or related rip offs and not playing with the ladies, then we need to know the criminals involved and make public their misdeeds.
If you want to be conned, that is your business, good luck. You do not have to read these posts so don't tell us what to say or not say until you have contributed substantially.
When and if you do contribute in a more substantial manner you will understand that even posts not related to sex are valuable information to all. See Spanishboy 29's comments below, a direct rebuttal to your useless ramblings.
Bandit, the table charge at Arena is $200 which goes to whatever you order. If you order $200 or more you really don't lose anything. If it is a little steep go with 1 or 2 other guys. I prefer to go with 2 or 3 girls. ;)
A less pricey alternative to Arena is 112, which is across the courtyard from Arena. I haven't been to Orangenia yet so I can't comment on it. I didn't bother going to D&G because I wasn't too fond of the club that was there before. There was a lot of hype to PaTiPa and when I went I wasn't impressed. But I can see why people would like it - big stage - huge dance floor. I didn't make it to Sound Planet but my friends had good things to say about it. Went to Caribbean once while I was there this trip, I always enjoy it and the two girls who I took liked it too - it was there first time there.
I got a bad oyster at one of the sushi places and I wasn't able to eat sushi the rest of that trip. I still feel a little queasy thinking about it. But if you like JOSS keep going; maybe I'll join you there. ;)
[QUOTE=Bandit7]Cruiser the believe me I when I say I quite like it, use to stop at the adria in the complex on and of for four years,
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Cheers,
Bandit7[/QUOTE]
Uke,
I sensed a certain amount of anger in your report as I read through it and after almost 6 years in Kiev myself I can understand why. Every newcomer to the Ukraine site should read that report before they start moving around or doing business in Kiev.
One of the things I first noticed when I started working here was that if a Ukrainian is given the responsibility of purchasing something for the company they will soon find a way to inflate the invoice, usually by coming to an arrangement with the vendor. I have come up against this problem time and time again in the last 6 years, and what really intrigued me was the fact that many of the people doing it were very competent well educated employees.
Finally I got the opportunity to try to get inside the Ukrainian mentality and find out where they were coming from. This happened the night I bumped into an ex-employee in the Korona Bar. We had always got along very well and proceeded to get drunk together, him more than me, finally I seized the moment and asked him why there was always this problem with inflated invoices etc. He looked at me and smiled and said ' You see my friend, in Western Europe you guys see that as stealing, here we see it as just another shrewd business deal'
I have the feeling that this was the truest thing I have ever been told in Kiev.
[QUOTE=Uke Boy]One of the good things about WSG is that you can express your opinions and ideas not just about sex but about life in a particular country. The bad thing is that while I and many others have expressed less than sterling opinions of life and business in Ukraine over and over again in all to many posts, many of you still come here expecting things as they are in Western Europe, the US or in other advanced countries.
Don't any of you guys who complain about the rip-offs ever read beyond the first page of the forum before you get here???? If not, I cannot be too sympathetic with your plight.
Now get this right, guys, and I AM shouting, Jackson, for effect...
THE LOCALS CARE ONLY ABOUT HOW THEY CAN RIP YOU OFF, IN WHOLE OR IN PART. THEY ARE DISHONEST, THEY ARE THIEVES AND THEY ARE PROUD OF IT ONCE THEY ROB FROM YOU!
They do not know and do not care about "win-win," they only know about "win-lose," and naturally it is always better that YOU lose.
I have been here too long and seen too much here not to finally get it through my thick skull that this is the way they not only work with foreigners but also with locals. It has nothing to do with your being from abroad, it has everything to do with local culture. Under the czars, under the commissars, it was dog eat dog and survive as best you can. Today, nothing has changed and may even be worse.
Be it apartments, ladies, and anything else, trust no one here unless it is someone like CA Traveler, who is not a local and has a proven track record. However, he is in Odessa and not in Kiev.
In Kiev and throughout Ukraine, be very, very careful.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Uke Boy]Having been here for more than ten years, I guess I am just tired and fed up with all the promise and potential just going down your typical stinking Ukrainian toilet.
Cruiser, I have to agree with you that things will get worse. I am not sure if they can ever get better. [/QUOTE]
Uke! One can feel your frustration. I’ve only been visiting Ukraine for a few years and whilst a regular visitor I am rarely there for more than a few days, which is as much as I can hack from a business perspective. I’ve recently decided to start dissolving my business interests in Ukraine, simply as the benefits (both purely monetary and the obvious fringe benefits of visiting there regularly) have become increasingly outweighed by the overwhelming corruption at every level and the shocking service ethos.
With that said, I thing one has to put the Ukrainian situation into perspective. This is a country which is not even 20 years old and, since its independence, has spent most of its life under heavy Russian influence; endemic corruption permeates every section of society. With this background, the idea that the country could change overnight – or even within a year of the Orange Revolution – was always over-optimistic. However I am more optimistic than you (which is easier as I don’t have to live there) and believe that Ukraine is taking small and vital steps towards changing – I mean an honest and fair election! That’s unbelievable! Major change though will take time - I think it could 20 years+ before one sees the beginning of genuine change, both in terms of honesty in business, providing a basic level of service and addressing some of the crushing poverty that still exists for many.
I think a lot of the comments on the board over the last page or so are hugely important – if you are not used to EE in general, Kiev is a tough visit. Anyone who indicates otherwise is ,IMHO, being misleading. The game is heavily stacked in favour of suppliers (apartments, taxis, girls) who are far more prepared and ready for the new traveller than the new visitor is for them. Most newbies arrive with a spirit of happy adventure and a view that the rules of tourism (and low budget mongering that exist in most other countries will exist in Ukraine – “It can’t be that bad – I mean they’re trying to attract more tourists”. They simply aren’t prepared for the ruthless rip-off culture they are just about to encounter. Especially in Kiev you just meet person after person whose first response to you is “I must make as much money as I can from this one person. I don’t know when my next opportunity to screw a tourist will come along.” This goes all the way through to an increasing number of the girls, from the true pros (higher prices, bad service) all the way the through to non-pros at places like 112, who know how easy it is to have a cheap evening out getting drinks bought all night for them without any intention of going home with anyone and girls on dating site. I am actually not damning all involved – if people are so willing to throw money at you, it’s hard to refuse. People who come here and put up with being ripped off and overpay, have to take some responsibility for the situation.
From a personal perspective though, I still love the place. In fact the more challenging the game becomes, the more addicted I become - I like the challenge and, to be honest, I like the game.
If you want things on a plate, I would avoid Kiev like the plague. If you want a challenge, I think it’s as much fun as anyone can handle.
Snowy, girls in the west expect a lot (drinks, dinner, et al) without having to put out. Not that I am saying they should or should not but this is where the girls in Kiev and EE got that from (us westerners - I have met the enemy and he is us).
Last years elections were a joke on the people of the Ukraine. They thought they were getting change. The only things that change is a new set of crooks were installed. Now it looks like a third set of thiefs are going to have their hand at it. What basic services and crushing poverty were addressed? Anyone who has traveled about Ukraine knows how quickly things fall to crap once you get outside the center of major metro areas. The amount of new construction going on in Kiev is impressive. But there is a noticeable lack of that in any other Ukrainian city I visited.
In Kiev things are served on a plate - you are just being over charged.
Tremayne, about 20 years ago I had a discussion with someone over the interchangeability of the terms 'thief' and 'shrewd businessman'. He said to never get the two confused. If you are a thief people are eventually going to stop doing business with you, as the Ukraine is finding out. The only reason why we (the west) deal with Russia is oil, that is it. The Ukraine has no such luxury. The best they can do is play a weak hand of geo politics.
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Last years elections were a joke on the people of the Ukraine. They thought they were getting change. The only things that change is a new set of crooks were installed. Now it looks like a third set of thiefs are going to have their hand at it. What basic services and crushing poverty were addressed? [/QUOTE]
None. As I said, I think it will take 20 years+ to see changes. None of this means that the events of the last 18 months haven't been hugely important. You can judge the government on their performance (and it's between dire), but you can't begin to judge the impact of the revolution. If in 10 years, Ukraine finally begins to gets new leaders, new parties or a new ethos which begins to address the poverty and endemic corruption it will in part be down to the path the country has started down in recent months (even if the contribution is to fuel disappointment with politicians and their inability to deliver change).
In my view, expectations have been altered forever and therefore the elections last year weren't a joke, but the initial part of a process.
Snowy,
While there have been changes here and there in the political consciousness of many individuals, it really has not taken any root overall in society as a whole. That is not to say that it won't. However, there were similar hopes in Moscow during the mid-90s when I traveled there frequently, and look what happened, so-called "managed democracy" but more like quasi-dictatorship.
It can happen here as well, and almost did with a Yanukovich near-win. He and his mafia still won a third of the vote this week and might have had more had there been a greater voter turn-out. Don't count out any return of one-man or one party rule here. Lukashenko in Belarus is the poster child for this type of misrule.
Yushchenko is also very corrupt. This recent Russian-Ukrainian gas deal has Yushchenko's brother as one of the organizers. In a murky deal such as this you cannot tell me that Yushchenko doesn't know all the details and approved what is obviously financially beneficial to himself personally? He will lay on some gilding on the budding democratic Ukrainian structure but underneath, despite his words, his actions show it is the same corrupt lousy structure.
Bottom line is that Yushchenko and his crooks will be gentle when they screw the people unlike Yanukovich who would give everyone a hard ass fucking to bring it back on topic for our friend Wally.
Cruiser is right. A year later and nothing has changed, nothing has improved. I am not sure it has slid backwards but no improvement is a recipe for disaster. Stagnation in politics always brings on unexpected change and many times the result is an unpleasant dictatorship that the people actually bring on themselves.
Snowy, I fully understand why you are getting out of business here - been there, done that. From what I hear more and more foreign investors are moving out due to the issues we have touched upon, corruption in all spheres of life actually getting worse under the so-called reformer Yushchenko and the improved dealings of Ukrainian "shrewd" businessman. I think you now understand that these "businessmen" know only short-term gains. They care nothing about long-term investments since nothing here has ever been long-term such as we have in the USA or UK or in Europe. Everything can be taken away from them tomorrow and so that is why they must steal from you and everyone else today.
To go back on topic, the sun is out, it has warmed up nicely and the ladies are now out in much less clothing! Short skirts and long lovely legs have returned to the streets of Kiev. That's enough for now, I am off to enjoy a long-hidden feast for the eyes!
Hi! Guys,
I need some expertises from expert guys about ukrainian gals, I'm corresponding with that young and beautiful ukrainian gal....only few letters, she wants me to come to visit her in Kiev....of course I guess that she expects that I will propose her to visit me instead....that's what I did coz I couldn't free myself and I will be more in my element here.....as you surely guessed the air ticket is for my pocket.....so she sent to me her full coordinates plus a copy of her passport....my question is; is there any potential funny trick? Is it worthy to bring her here (knowing the ticket cost me US$1000)...she was pretty easy to accept my invitation that's why I'm wondering whether it's sincere or tricky....
Thks in advance
Eros
Well, I know its a risk, but sometimes things do work out, and if you can afford $1000 for the ticket, then by all means go for it!
Hi Eros!
Better go there at first. Otherwise there is a very high chance that you will not see your money again. 1000 USD is hell of a money in a country like the ukraine. In case that you want her. Take her with you, but do not send her money
Condomino
[QUOTE=Eros75]Hi! Guys,
I need some expertises from expert guys about ukrainian gals, I'm corresponding with that young and beautiful ukrainian gal....only few letters, she wants me to come to visit her in Kiev....of course I guess that she expects that I will propose her to visit me instead....that's what I did coz I couldn't free myself and I will be more in my element here.....as you surely guessed the air ticket is for my pocket.....so she sent to me her full coordinates plus a copy of her passport....my question is; is there any potential funny trick? Is it worthy to bring her here (knowing the ticket cost me US$1000)...she was pretty easy to accept my invitation that's why I'm wondering whether it's sincere or tricky....
Thks in advance
Eros[/QUOTE]
Eros... depends on where you live. No way she could get a visa to the USA or UK. Schengen... maybe... depends on the travel agency.
To be honest I think it’s a trap!! She is a “money woman” or “Scammer”. Don’t sent her any money in advance!!!
In my opinion you should visit her first to see “what kind of meet you have in your bath tub“ :-))) (in my country it’s a nice expression).
Further, depending on the country where you live, she will have to obtain a visa. That is gonna take a while and mostly she need to show there the tickets or a copy of a reservation. Also she will need some papers from you to obtain the visa. If she is a first time traveller it will be difficult anyway to obtain the visa!
So if you are sure she is not a scammer you could propose the following:
Try to make all arrangements for her to obtain the visa! Let her make a reservation at a travel agency. The travel agency should know that it is only necessary to obtain the visa.(they do it many times) So it is just a reservation/option without paying!
The costs of the visa she has to pay herself and she will get it back from you ones she is in your country. (between 20 and 50 dollars, depending on the embassy)
When she has the visa she can fax you a copy of it at the post office. Then you go on internet and buy a ticket for her which you will leave at the ticket office of Ukraine International airlines at Borispol.
Well, In case it goes wrong you will loose the ticket but you are sure she did not get your money to take advantage of you!
Good luck
In EE countries, especially Ukraine and Moldova, you can easily buy passports. All you need is $400 max. As long as you can manage to find fake birth certificates or other necessary documents, you may even take a passport with your name and some else’s information.
I know two girls use this trick. One of them used her cousin's information to get a new passport.
I don't mean that she is a scammer, but be cautions. $1000 is lot money for them.
I have to agree with the other posts. If the lady in question has not traveled out of Ukraine, getting any visa will be very difficult. Even with travel agencies, you have to be careful about the one you use. The embassies have a blacklist that they constantly update of travel agencies that try and scam visas from consulates. Applicants who use these agencies will almost always be rejected.
In any case, before you can even think about sending any money for a ticket, which should not be done anyway, (you should buy the ticket in her name for pickup only by her at the airport) you have to make sure she has the visa.
Sending money to anyone here, other than possibly a close relative is a very bad idea. See my comments below about how people do business here, it is almost often one big scam.
If you cannot meet this lady here, don't make her think that you are someone rich who can send her money all the time. That is the wrong signal to send. You should make every effort to come here and meet her, to see who she is and how she lives. Meeting her elsewhere, even if it were possible, is just not the right thing to do.
If you want to meet her and cannot do it in Ukraine, one other possibility is to meet her where she can go without a visa. Egypt, Turkey, Dominican Republic, Seychelles, Russia, and a few other places allow Ukrainian citizens to travel without visas or to obtain them at the airport. That may also be something you might want to look into, combining a meeting with a holiday.
Uke Boy is right.
You can meet her in Turkey. EE girls love Bodrum, Cesme and Antalya. Plane ticket will cost $270 at most(rountrip). 1 month long visa will cost $100 or less, she can have it at the airport. If you think this is expensive than she may use the ferrie from Odessa and that will cost something around $130.
[QUOTE=Uke Boy]
If you want to meet her and cannot do it in Ukraine, one other possibility is to meet her where she can go without a visa. Egypt, Turkey, Dominican Republic, Seychelles, Russia, and a few other places allow Ukrainian citizens to travel without visas or all them to obtain them at the airport. That may also be something you might want to look into, combining a meeting with a holiday.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Eros75]Hi! Guys,
I need some expertises from expert guys about ukrainian gals, I'm corresponding with that young and beautiful ukrainian gal....only few letters, she wants me to come to visit her in Kiev....of course I guess that she expects that I will propose her to visit me instead....that's what I did coz I couldn't free myself and I will be more in my element here.....as you surely guessed the air ticket is for my pocket.....so she sent to me her full coordinates plus a copy of her passport....my question is; is there any potential funny trick? Is it worthy to bring her here (knowing the ticket cost me US$1000)...she was pretty easy to accept my invitation that's why I'm wondering whether it's sincere or tricky....
Thks in advance
Eros[/QUOTE]
my post for the moscow forum it worth a try......I had a Russian girl that was madly in love with me and wanted to come to England to meet.
And just happened to have a travel agent has a friend that could arrange things. For a price.
I told her that I would sort the visa though a friend at the British embassy in Moscow and when I sorted the visa I would send her a e-ticket.
Guess what………I never heard from her again……how to play there game.
mephil
Whatever you do do not send her money for a ticket. Sending money + internet = scam 97% of the time.
If you think she is legit (about a 10% chance) buy a ticket in her name and have it waiting at the airport for her. That way when she doesn't show up you will be out 1k but at least fat Yuri doesn't get the money.
[QUOTE=Eros75]Hi! Guys,
I need some expertises from expert guys about ukrainian gals,
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Eros[/QUOTE]
Never Never Never send money to someone you have not met! This is the Code of the West in Ukraine! I have been going there and meeting girls for 3 yrs and I can almost promise you will be sending money to Fat Yuri!!
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Whatever you do do not send her money for a ticket. Sending money + internet = scam 97% of the time.
If you think she is legit (about a 10% chance) buy a ticket in her name and have it waiting at the airport for her. That way when she doesn't show up you will be out 1k but at least fat Yuri doesn't get the money.[/QUOTE]
Pictures look great. Many of them go to same agency I believe.
[url]www.uaescort.com[/url]
[url]www.ua-dating.com[/url]
[url]www.uaescorts.com[/url]
Thanks, Bladrunr aka "Grisha"
Grishka,
This is all basically one and the same web site. Most of the photos are faked.
The dating site at least has some ladies you can actually contact and date. The worst that could happen here is that you could actually end up marrying one of the ladies.
However, be careful of the escorts on the dating site. The prices they charge on the English language site are horrendous and unacceptable and should under NO circumstances be paid by anyone in their right minds. The prices they "quote" are upwards of 120 Euros and also $200.
The present acceptable hourly rate for these very same ladies on their Russian language sites is $50-$60. That is the rate you should pay here and no more.
This is just another example of the great Ukraine scam.
Don't pay the rip off prices.
[QUOTE=Eros75]Hi! Guys,
I need some expertises from expert guys about ukrainian gals, I'm corresponding with that young and beautiful ukrainian gal...QUOTE]
In a trip to Romania I met some young boys that have a complete organized bussiness about making silly westerns to be inlove with them ( silly westerns though they were stunning girls inlove), trough webchat, adultfriendfinder etc etc, they use fake pics and videos stolen in the web. They even made a good looking website of a local travel agency. The bussiness was incredible they all had good cars and earnt a lot of money.
Even there was real girls that were on that and had guys in west sending them lots and lots of money, when those guys went romania to visit them, they were very shy girls promissing that they will make love in their next trip but not in first, the bussiness of all those clans in all east europe is incredible.
So, be very careful, very very,,,,although is true that are also many girls that are crazy about finding a western boyfriedn and marry him.
Hi!Guys,
Thanks a lot for the useful and wise advices, I really appreciate....what I forgot to mention on my first message is; the ticket is an e-ticket that means available at the company counter's airport under her name... I'm maybe stupid to bring her here but not yet completely dumb to send her money....remember I'm a member of this site and had also some eastern European mongering's background :-), my question was; apart trying to get money from us, are there any potential funny tricks?
Cheers
Eros
Eros75 much can go wrong! and I doubt very much she is sincere! if you go ukraine she might have dimitri and yuri escort you down the cash machine every day, for her honour you understand! she would never get a visa to uk or america. If you are seriously interested in marrying one there are plenty of agencies (kiev conections, kherson girls, polena)that will help you and take your money. Have some fun with her! e-mail her any random 10 digit number and say I have sent you 2k and as she keeps e-maiing to doube check the number keep on changing your story and run her round all day and at the end tell her that they have refunded the money to you and its all to much trouble for you! 99% certain she is only after your $.
Bandit7
Anybody can get a visa to the UK. I had a Ukranian visit me in London.
People are people, some are honest and some not. A woman had $2500 of my money because, among other things, she was arranging part of my trip. She also had access to another $1500 that was in my bank account. For her, in our money, it was like having 50 or 60 thousand dollars.
Nothing bad happened and she was (and still is) as honest as they come. And as it sits now I have her doing work for me, sort of a girl Friday.
That said, you should never lend or let someone hold more money than you can comfortably lose.
[QUOTE=Eros75]Hi!Guys,
Thanks a lot for the useful and wise advices, I really appreciate....what I forgot to mention on my first message is; the ticket is an e-ticket .....
Eros[/QUOTE]
Well, as far as you will not send money and only a nominative ticket, is not any problem, and in any case is not so much money,, so I would assume the risk. I cannot find or imagine any possible trick to steal or ripp you off.
What is true is that a lot of lovely eastern girls, want badly to find a good man in west europe, and as far as I know they use to be very good wives and girlfriends, they have class and high cultural level.
If I would need a wife or a serious girlfriend, I would not doubt in look for her in any east country, most probably Ukraine.
Has anybody had any good or bad experiences with [url]www.UkraineApartments.com?[/url] Any bait-and-switch on the apartment you reserved? I notice they require a security deposit on all their apartments (which goes straight to the owner according to their site). Also, any dealings with Elena, the manager on the site? She seems fairly persistent in her offers. I can ignore her for a few days without a response to an offer and she'll write me back with a lower deal or a deal on another apartment.
Just trying to get a consensus on how trustworthy the manager of this site is, and the owners she deals with in Kiev and Kharkov. Thanks for any help.
[QUOTE=Enjoy]Other good news: many of you already placed report about Rest Town RP and othr famous places bt I have to let you knw that close to Hotel Khreshrathk where I was there is a club called Mexico where you can find amazing beauty and go with them in the sauna or in your room for 50us enjoy[/QUOTE]Hi Enjoy, just wondered if the 100us price for a beauty from Mexico was for 1hr, and what is the rate for a whole night?
What sort of age/number/quality of girls? Do you have to buy drinks/lapdances first?
And - what do you think of the Kiev freebie scene? Is it worth bothering with? :-)
Have a question for the group:
Does anyone know how local Ukraines feel about other nationalities in general? I'm an American with a Hispanic/Italian background with darker skin. Wonder if the dark skin would be considered exotic.
Thanks in advance.
Ed
[QUOTE=Gauntlet33]Have a question for the group:
Does anyone know how local Ukraines feel about other nationalities in general? I'm an American with a Hispanic/Italian background with darker skin. Wonder if the dark skin would be considered exotic.
Thanks in advance.
Ed[/QUOTE]
same like me. Its been my experence and I was there before 9/11 that they are just as raceist as anyone if not more so. I use to get halleled all the time, ALL THE TIME!!! Wehater it was in Kiev or in southern regions. Thier First empression was that I was Georgian which are consedered sub human escecially in the souther reagions, of Chechen origin, or some kind of gypsy, which are also looked down on. If you are black the same applies.
I can not imagine it has changed all that much. I can also tell you stories upon stories of raceist incidents, by the police even, but I will not go into it here. Some first hand knoledge and some second hand knowledge. In general though russians are highly suspicious of outsiders. While this has changed in the recent past, some people still think like this and since there is no law against raceism the goverment allows it to prevail. It does not matter who you are. If you dont look russian, chance are that you will experance some kind of raceism at least once while you are there.
I have good freinds in Kiev however and I always feel welcome then I go to visit them. I do not want to imply that all Ukrainian or Russian are racest, its just there are pockets of them out there and it does exist.
i arrived yesterday on my second 'tour of duty' to kiev. i met with yana from gia at the appartment i rented from [url]www.kievappartment.com[/url]. i hired her for one hour and ended up keeping her all night till 15 minutes ago. she came and she is better than her pictures. 19 years old and looking just as young, she looks like reece witherspoon but much younger and better body. she is slim, leggy, size b perky boobs, true blonde with blue eyes and speaks good english. she goes to law school and i believe that. she is fun, excelent company and dresses very well, mostly in pink with exception of her 3 pieces black undergarments with long black nylons. i just wanted to look at her with a fantastic figure, not a gram of fat and perfect curves! shaved pussy that tastes good and she reacts very well to all 'handling', massaging her clit, licking her tits, kisses (great kisser) and touch inside. pitty she does not give her arse, looks so tight and pretty. we bought showered (at her request) which took care of some light underarm smell (i am into smells), but when she got dressed and we went out for dinner, her clothes had some of that smell... we walked a few blocks after dinner (i could hardly eat anything, i wanted so bad to get back into her) and back to the apartment where i kept her all night. she is very warm and she curled with her head over my chest and slept that way... wonderfull! she is really a keeper with the only caveat being i hope she will adopt the use of deodorant (nothing a shower can't take care off). she did not ask for a penny more than gia's rate for the night, not even for taxi. actually she brought me a collection of postcards showing the kiev churches, as a gift. she is great company and fantastic sex. treat her well, please. as for the apartment i rented for $120 us a day, is two rooms with two ac, dishwasher, fridge/freezer, nice, modern and clean right in the heart of the city, including high-speed internet which is essential for me. great views of the main kiev street. the building's entrance, hallway and elevator look like crap: i don't understand why they keep most of those areas in these buildings looking so bad, it is scary but safe, so far. diana from gia and oxana from kievapartment are both very friendly, helpful and profesional. alex the driver is super, he had purchased already for me vodka, coca cola, oranje juice, milk and bottles of water just as i asked. at noon today the famous porn star alexa is coming to visit and at 8 at night zoya from gia. if i survive i will be writing a report on them. pray for me...
I've seen small groups of guys from arab countries,
Syrians, Iranians, Jordanians, etc., in cafe's, and
always with russian girls, and nobody seems to bother
them. Some of them are a shade or two darker,
and certainly all dark hair and not european looking.
Besides just to socailize in a group, they probably
hang out together because they're less likely to be
hassled by locals when they aren't alone. But in
general, they are friendly and approachable, there's
no reason not to introduce yourself, they'll be
interested that you speak English and curious about
your mongering stories.
They usually seem to have more money to throw
around than the local guys, but they seem to hang
on to it pretty tight. They won't spend more than they
have to on the girls, maybe a little dinner or some
beers or vodka, and then they expect total submission,
and still treat them like they are property, the same
as a dog basically. That's just their culture though.
I'm not saying that as an insult, its just common .
Thye are paranoid of the police. If you ask them for
some mongering assistance, they'll probably give you
a hand in locating some talent, they seem pretty curious
about getting a look for themselves at what's available,
but be sure that they're not doing you any favors for
free. In fact, expect them to hit you up for at least
10 times what they should receive, like $100 instead
of $10 for an introduction. And if its a girl they already
know, don't be surprised if they try to scam you. One
tried to pull a switch for $200 that was supposed to be for FS,
but really only a massage. When threatened, he quickly
knew he was exposed and gave all the money back.
I'm British of Indian descent, and in my experience, in Ukraine and just about everywhere else, people are far more interested in the colour of your money than the colour of your skin :)
The building itself and it's common areas are owned by the city. I don't think I need to explain why they are so poorly maintained. ;)
$120 is way too much to pay for a 2 room apartment unless there was a girl included with it.
[QUOTE=Pt Sailor] The building's entrance, hallway and elevator look like crap: I don't understand why they keep most of those areas in these buildings looking so bad, it is scary but safe, so far. (stuff deleted)...[/QUOTE]
Hi guys,
I will be in Kiev on April 29 and stay for a week.
Any recent scene for escort services? Anybody tried kievbeauties recently? Which girls are best in gia?
Any recent experiences in River Palace?
Thanks in advance.
Hi,
Can anyone tell me a typical daily or weekly wage for a clerk in a store?
I am planning to meet a girl I met on an internet dating site who says she works in a clothes store in a shopping mall. I don't know if she will be a freebie (for shopping) or be looking for some cash, but it would help if I knew what she would normally make in her job. So if give her $50 is that like a weeks wages, or what? Is there kind of a standard or minimum wage for girls in a service industry? Equally helpful would be have an idea of what $50 would buy her - does it mean a new dress or sexy boots or pay her groceries for a week? I have only been in Ukraine a couple of times and don't yet have good feel for the buying power of a dollar - especially for residents.
GT
[QUOTE=Ballentine30]Hi guys,
I will be in Kiev on April 29 and stay for a week.
Any recent scene for escort services? Anybody tried kievbeauties recently? Which girls are best in gia?
Any recent experiences in River Palace?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
My last visit to Kiev was in march. I also tried Kievbeauties again during that visit. Cute girls as always, although none of the pics on the website are real. Forget the ridiculous prices on their website, last year average price for two hours was about 150 dollars, now they´re asking for 300-500. Just tell them what you´re looking for and what your budget is, and you shouldn´t be paying more than 150, probably still a rip off, but the girls are nice, anyway a lot better looking than those dogs at gia´s.
Riverpalace also was great fun in march, i really don´t understand guys complaining the place being dead. Quality of girls was much better than last year. Girls were asking for 200, no problem getting it down to 150 though.
Your question is hard to answer!
I assume that your girl is living and working in Kiev so you have to know the following:
- In Kiev and Odessa the wages higher compared to other cities in Ukraine.
- Further you have to know that the wages can differ depending on the place where your girl works. If she works in the centre, she can have a higher wage then a girl working in a shopping mall outside of the city centre in some region of Kiev.
- Also the hourly wages can differ. As a student you earn less then a person working there to make a living.
- Some shops in Kiev pay their employees lunch and/or transportation as part of the wage.
So depending on the above mentioned circumstances (and maybe some more) the wages differ enormously. In average I think it will be around 50-70 grivna a day for a shop clerk. For this money it is very hard to manage a living in Kiev. Therefore many people live together in one house or apartment to split some costs.
[QUOTE=Ismael]Your question is hard to answer!
So depending on the above mentioned circumstances (and maybe some more) the wages differ enormously. In average I think it will be around 50-70 grivna a day for a shop clerk. For this money it is very hard to manage a living in Kiev. Therefore many people live together in one house or apartment to split some costs.[/QUOTE]Yes, she is in Kiev and is just post-student years and shares a flat with a (even cuter) girlfriend. So it sounds like $50 would be about a weeks wages and certainly would represent a lot of "found money" for her. So if she is willing, $50-$100 would probably be ample reward for a night of fun. That's good news!
GT
No one ever said the place was dead.
[QUOTE=Axel Springer]
(stuff deleted)
Riverpalace also was great fun in march, i really don´t understand guys complaining the place being dead. Quality of girls was much better than last year. Girls were asking for 200, no problem getting it down to 150 though.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]Yes, she is in Kiev and .......So if she is willing, $50-$100 would probably be ample reward for a night of fun. That's good news!
GT[/QUOTE]
Try to be generous. Life in Kiev is expensive, and 50 dollars will not solve any problem to any girl. Be generous specially if she dont ask you pay-for-play. Free sex use to be more expensive than profesional. Kiev and former USSR girls in general expect that you will spend a lot of money with them in good restaurants, good cafes, buying them some presents etc..
If they are profesionals, then is stupid to be generous, she will not be generous with you at all in most cases, but if they act as a girlfriend,,that is honey..so you must be generous.
Life in Kiev is in many aspects as expensive as in a normal continental city ( excluded capitals)
[QUOTE=Axel Springer]My last visit to Kiev was in march. I also tried Kievbeauties again during that visit. Cute girls as always, although none of the pics on the website are real. Forget the ridiculous prices on their website, last year average price for two hours was about 150 dollars, now they´re asking for 300-500. Just tell them what you´re looking for and what your budget is, and you shouldn´t be paying more than 150, probably still a rip off, but the girls are nice, anyway a lot better looking than those dogs at gia´s.
Riverpalace also was great fun in march, i really don´t understand guys complaining the place being dead. Quality of girls was much better than last year. Girls were asking for 200, no problem getting it down to 150 though.[/QUOTE]Thanks AS,
Are gia's photos real? I think photos of couple of girls look good.
Any other places or agencies you can recommend?
Thanks again.
I have not commented about this issue of wages since I thought the ill-named "gentleman" might be able to learn a serious lesson or two about wages and living conditions in Kiev once he does get on the ground here.
Shop clerks or sales help do earn relatively low wages. However, I suggest the self-named "gentleman" who seems to be far from that look at the clothes and shoes these ladies are wearing. They far exceed any monthly income. There is the official salary rate and there is the unofficial salary and benefits that most are paid here.
With the arrogance that the "gentleman" has displayed towards the ladies here, I certainly think he may be rewarded in kind.
I have been more than generous in my time here and have been more than rewarded. I have also seen the misers get their just rewards.
If you treat the ladies well, pro and non-pro, your time here will be well spent.
ukeboy... I agree totally!
GT... If you find a nice stock of girls in Kiev who will gladly hop into the sack for an all-nighter for $50, or even $100, please do not waste any time and zip me a PM immediately with full details!!! I'll drive up there tomorrow to sample the feast!
Seriously, it is very dangerous or naive to head into any country and try to extrapolate the cost of P4P by what "shop girls" earn on a daily basis.
[QUOTE=Ballentine30]Thanks AS,
Are gia's photos real? I think photos of couple of girls look good.
Any other places or agencies you can recommend?
Thanks again.[/QUOTE]
From what I´ve read here, gia´s seems to be reliable, real photos and good service. I´ve only tried kievbeauties so far, calling an agency is a last option for killing time in the afternoon to me, my focus are freebies and semipros.
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]No one ever said the place was dead.[/QUOTE]
Cruiser D, you yourself among others said the boat was nothing like it used to be and called for a boycott in january...
[QUOTE=Duke Pro Sex]
Life in Kiev is expensive, and 50 dollars will
not solve any problem to any girl.
Be generous.
[/QUOTE]
For any of the typical escort agencies, and especially one mamachka
that was always able to make introductions with 19 year old university
students that were new to the game and certainly not 'pros', for a
2 hour $100 session, the dyev never received more than $30, but that
money certainly was solving a lot of problems. Without it, they were
surviving on their student stipend which was about $20 a month.
$30 for 2 hours of getting laid is definitely an improvement over $20
for an entire month.
Of course, what they got from mamachka was far exceeded by this
monger's generous extra contributions to show my appreciation for
their enthusiastic 30 minute deep throatings on videotape, pretzel
twisting positions, swallowing, etc. etc. etc.!!! In other words, an
all out GFE debauching experience to send a monger right into orbit.
In so many of those situations, if a monger was only willing to
pay the standard fee to the mama, all those extras that make
the experience something unforgettably special would be
unavailable and never happen.
It would just be a standard boring session without BBBJ or
fotos or anything worth remembering.
So yes of course, be extremely generous and make the most it,
since we can certainly afford to be, and since they need it so
much more than we do.
bez... no question that if you live in a city, there will be multiple opportunities for low-cost action because you can locate the source. If you travel into a city there is no time to get into the underbelly of the city and find out where the girls are coming from. That is, unless you happen to tap into one or many newbies who are totally inexperienced or are only used to what they are given by the mama...
I've already reported on several instances in ODS of having doubles for several hours for sum of 300 UAH, $60, total. It is just a matter of finding the source so you can pay wholesale instead of retail or retail plus! :)
[QUOTE=Duke Pro Sex]Try to be generous. Life in Kiev is expensive, and 50 dollars will not solve any problem to any girl. Be generous specially if she dont ask you pay-for-play. Free sex use to be more expensive than profesional. Kiev and former USSR girls in general expect that you will spend a lot of money with them in good restaurants, good cafes, buying them some presents etc..
If they are profesionals, then is stupid to be generous, she will not be generous with you at all in most cases, but if they act as a girlfriend,,that is honey..so you must be generous.
Life in Kiev is in many aspects as expensive as in a normal continental city ( excluded capitals)[/QUOTE]Sure, I agree Duke. I don't mind paying in different ways for "free" sex.
But there is a difference between being generous and being stupidly extravagent.
And CAT - I don't know if these are really $50 - $100 girls and I won't know until I meet them. It is a voyage of discovery.
And Uke Boy - I'm not that bad! I am just trying to understand the market.
CAT, for those of us who are long term "prisoners" of this region, there is no question that freebies or all night duos for $60 with nubile 19 year olds are very possible. I have had more than my share of such variations.
Reporting on them is fine to let others know what is possible but we have been able to get to that point by being here 24/7 and by at least knowing the language to one degree or another and by understanding the local cultures and mores. Bez's understanding is as good if not better than ours but he also visits more than once and for more than two days.
Anyone who comes in for 3-4 days and thinks that without proper preparation or has an attitude will strike Ukrainian black (earth) gold. It will not happen and there should be a plan "B" to call the agencies.
It is also very important for mongers to understand that the ladies here do know their value. That is why the mongers are coming here and that is why the ladies are dressed and made up to kill. Ten years ago, $50 for an overnight was the rate. Not today. All that will get you today is a street walker druggie on the outer ring road.
Taking a shop clerk to dinner at a decent restaurant in Kiev will cost at least $50 alone, if not higher. That also has to be factored into the overall cost of seduction. Bar hopping, club hopping and everything that goes with it, and what the ladies also expect will set you back even more.
You get what you pay for or what you invest into the effort.
with out any direct expearance in UKR I must say the cost of living in much higher in many EE countries than you might think. A lot of things that tourist notice as cheep in volve service and can be cheeper (certinly not in toursty places) because of the cheeper wages paid. So you might get a nice dinner for much less than what you might pay in the states. The flip side is a lot of things are imported. Like elcetronics and even quality cosmetics and then these things (like the good sheets someone mentioned here before) can be even more expensive in EE.
So now imagine a poor student girl wearing quility make up. You know that was really expensive for her. Stil she wore it to make her self even more beautiful for you. In the end I think if you meet a honest girl in the internet, then you will most likly have a relationship that is fast forwarded a bit cause you are not there for long but kinda know each other. So i think it is only fair to reward her the way she is rewarding you. I mean if she is talking you out (saving god know how much on damn rip of taxis and resturants.) and being your GF in and out of the bedroom. then treat her right take her out buy her a nice gift. hell I would even bring something nice from home. it will proably be cheaper anyway. dont loose your head. i mean no need break the bank.
ok my 2 cents on a unrelated topic
Hi all,
I just discovered this forum, hehe after almost 6 months spent in Kiev, it will have for sure avoid me some bad moves :p
To continue the discussion about cost of living and co, well for my experience, life in Kiev is as expensive as life in other Western Europe cities. Here you have to pay everything for the girls - restaurants, taxis, disco, drinks - they don't really know the 50/50 thing.
Restaurants, especially vines are very expensive, and i believe girls are also using this as a test, you will only get or keep her if you spend more money for her than the other guys.
And forget about the average salary stuff, girls know where we're from... a local may get a girl only with a 50usd diner but for foreigners it's impossible, especially if they have seem your appartment right in the center ;)
[QUOTE=Ballentine30]Thanks AS,
Are gia's photos real? I think photos of couple of girls look good.
Any other places or agencies you can recommend?
Thanks again.[/QUOTE]
Yes are always real photos, GIA is a serious agency, all my experiences with them have been good, or very good. And they took well care of girls health that is a guarantee. If you dont want surprises then use GIA service. The person that attend in english is educated and will help you to do the right choice.
My blind experiences with anouncements in media in english, have been really bad ones. And my experiences with freebees have been bad too, nice supper, drink in cafe, and finally kiss in the cheek and a: you are very nice and I like you, will you phone me again?...even in Kiev many girls and ladys think that bed in the first evening date is not correct
I just had a funny thing happen - one of the girls I am corresponding with sent me an e-mail intented for another guy, who she is trying to hit up for a bunch of money. She is not one of the economy girls I was speaking about earlier - I always knew this one was a luxury model - I will call her "Mercedes." But she has never hit me up for money (yet). I guess this other poor sap is further along the pipeline than I am (are any of you guys "Thorsten"?).
Anyway, it seems Mercedes's grandfather is sick and needs an operation.
Knowing how you all feel about being generous to young ladies, I thought I would take up a collection on her behalf! Send all donations to:
My Mercedes
c/o Fat Yuri
P.O. Box 13
Kiev
Be generous,
GT
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]
Knowing how you all feel about being generous to young ladies, I thought I would take up a collection on her behalf! Send all donations to:
My Mercedes
c/o Fat Yuri
P.O. Box 13
Kiev
Be generous,
GT[/QUOTE]
Donation sent, hope ur granfather will be better soon
GT,
I hope you have a lot of cash with you when you get here.
Let me let you in on a secret.
Did I tell you that every waitress and shop clerk in Kiev is named Mercedes?
For guys looking for something maybe "different", i will advise a massage in rakuena:
[url]www.rakuena.com[/url]
You will visit the website for all details.
Here is my experience: i went on a saturday afternoon, after a short call to confirm that it was open and to check prices. Taxi from city center (Radisson hotel) is cheap (20 grivans max.). When you will arrive at the place, as usal with eastern countries, the entry of the builiding in not in the street, but "behind". Anyway, I wasn't able to open the door, even with the code, so one of the girl went to pick me up in front of the door.
No surprise: prices were the same as annonced, real photos about the "masseuses" (really typical ukrainian beauties). i've chosen the indian massage, one hour and a half; I'm not sure there is any difference between all theses massages options but who cares ??? :)
Elena, a blonde girl with an amazing firm body was my choice; I have to say that all the other masseuses I have were really beautiful.
It starts with a real massage on all your body. When I say real , it's real. Good musique, good atmosphere, sweet masseuse, what else do you want ? Some erotic action maybe! Yes, it is at the end. And it sarts to become erotic, it's really surprising what the girl can do with her body. I don"t want to tell every details as you will discover by yourself the "programm" , but believe me it was so nice that i have decided to go back on sunday!!!
All in all, 300 grivnas (50 euros), more than 1.30 hour, you get laid, your body feels good, better than sex! (sex is not an option here)
Enjoy.
I didn't want to repeat what I already wrote but...
The Boat was busy all the times I went. But things are not what they were like last year (even in May). The male to female ratio is too high and the girls are asking for too much money $150 for an hour - $300 for the night. Very few male/female couples were leaving together. I was having extremely good luck in the dating scene so I didn't approach RP the same way I had in the past. The next time I am in Kiev I will make a solo trip to RP using my old tactics and let everyone know how it turns out. But my opinion of RP is a general consensus of my friends
You don't have to go to Kiev to get to these rates. You can easily stay in western Europe and the US. Heck, ironically enough I know an American college student who's parents emigrated from Kiev. She is 20 5'8 125lbs 36d and more then willing to spend the weekend for $500.
Why did guys like us flock to Kiev - cheap apartment rates and very hot inexpensive girls. Both of these no longer currently exists for the casual traveler.
Why will I keep going back to Kiev - because I am firmly tapped into the dating scene in Kiev.
[QUOTE=Axel Springer]
Cruiser D, you yourself among others said the boat was nothing like it used to be and called for a boycott in january...[/QUOTE]
Sunday afternoon.
Big saturday night party in Arena but no way i could score without paying something.
So this sunday afternoon, i wanted some actions.
I tried to call GIA but nobody answered.
I finally called [url]www.hot-kiev.com[/url], ask a girl at my hotel. 20 minutes later somebody asked me to go downstairs. I meet the drivers , i asked me to go to with him to his cars, and there was 2 very nice girls inside...A good surprise: i aksked for a girl and 2 came so i can choose the one i wanted. Very hard: the first one, blond and tall, perfect body...the second one Red haired girl with amazing blue eyes ...!!!! I've taken the second one, 100 USD for one hour (150 for two).
The girls was quite sympathic and speaks a broken english. She had a huge huge percing in her tongue, so we did a lot of kissing as it was a first try for me!!
Her body was almost perfect with so firm boobs.
Oral was bad, the percing was to big, and it was with condom. So we went for sex, and she has taken her pleasure, I really think! It was a nice cession, with an amazing beauty. What else? At the end she asks me to give her a baby? She asked several times, so I wasn't sure it was a joke. And finally she asks me my phone number to see me again before I leave the country!
Amazing!
I recommend this agence as they are reliable. The girls I have seen were not on the pictures of the website, but they were as beautiful so who cares ???
A good option in Kiev.
The - : no blowjob without , no toys .
The + : GFE, and amazing body.
Her name his Adriana, if you want to ask for her (say "adriana red haired girl ?)
Passepartout, did you request a specific girl from their website when you called them, or did you just ask them to bring you some girls to choose from?
Recently visited Kiev, my first Ukraine trip for almost a year. Was previously a more regular visitor.
The River Palace is still ground zero for hobbyists in Kiev. The boat is starting to look a little bit dated now, but will be replaced by a much larger vessel in early 2007.
Unfortunately I agree with previous reports that the place has gone down, and is no longer worth a visit if your are only interested in picking up girls. The number of girl in the disco is higher than ever, but the average age seems to have increased considerably. Whilst there I didn’t see any girl that I could describe as beautiful.
Pricing at the RP is not quite as bad as previously reported. Although the girls are all asking for $250/$300/ $350, the blokes on the boat are very reluctant to pay it. As the night wears on you can see more and more of the girls hitting the $150/$200 bids. This seems to the level that market is trading at. Of course this can vary based on your personal appeal to the girls, and whether or not you live in Kiev.
Perhaps the best bet now for more budget sensitive hobbyists are the low level strip clubs. Places like Grand Café E’toille and Mexicana, provide reasonably attractive girls for $100 per hour. By taking girls from these venues you are also guaranteed good performance.
Personally I spent most of my time in Strip clubs such as Millenium and Club 21. The take out here cost in the $200 - $300 region, but the girls are of a much higher standard. For those who are more budget focused im sure you could get telephone numbers from the girls, and organise afternoon meetings at a lower price.
Kiev is still a great place to visit, and the eye candy is world class. But it’s no longer really a place for the budget traveller. Eastern Europe is simply no longer that poor.
City Angel,
Your report on river palace sums up pefectly what I thought of it last month when I was there. When I am in kiev next month I thought of using river palace as a sought of emergency backstop! Going somewhere else first moda bar etc and only going there if I had no luck there and hit the boat about 0330 onwards and pick myself a bargain up! On a Friday or Saturday night the girls can have invested as much as 50$ in taxis both ways, cover charge and drinks and are only to reasonable when the 250-300$ players have gone home about 0200! Never paid more than a 100$ after 0330 and been abe to negotiate 3 hours plus and all the extras! I will say one thing about river palace: it is the only place in kiev where I have felt 100% safe and at home and that includes the girls as well when I have took them back to my hotel or apartment!
Bandit7
"Give me a baby" is another way of saying cum now. Whether it was due to the heat of the moment or the meter starting to run out of time is for you to decide.
Sounds like you had a good time. Getting her number was a score (or did you just give her yours?). She probably saw $30-40 from the $100 you gave the driver which means she'd be more then happy to spend the night for $100.
[QUOTE=Passepartout]
At the end she asks me to give her a baby? She asked several times, so I wasn't sure it was a joke. And finally she asks me my phone number to see me again before I leave the country!
[/QUOTE]
Just a few things to ask/comment on;
When you talk about the late nighters at RP hitting $150/200 are you talking about an hour or staying the night? Considering if it is late enough it turns into a default 1 hour stay - not much of a bargain in that. Besides after being out all night/morning and getting tired you aren't going to get much bang for your buck (pun intended).
Prices at Millenium are $200-300? Are you sure. I thought the house set rate was $400 or 300e? I have never been able to get a girl to move off of that price in the club. I am sure that is what the girl has to hand over to the club 'accountant'. Getting phone numbers in places like that is never a sure thing due to the organized (crime) nature of things. However getting a number during your full price session usually isn't a problem (if she likes you). Where is Club 21?
EE isn't that poor anymore - well, you might get that impression if you never leave the city center in Kiev but after that things go downhill fast. The average wage in the country is around $200/month - sounds poor to me.
The economy of Kiev/Ukraine is simply riding the wave of speculation and government privatization/corruption. There is also a cottage industry for foreign poon dogs (us). Talk about Voodoo economics. The Russian economy had oil to save them when the tap ran dry after the initial government privatization/stealing. I hope they are getting ready to hit a gusher in Ukraine soon.
Bandit7;
I like the Boat as a mellow place to hang out too. Watching hot girls dance is my favorite spectator sport. The music isn't overwhelming and if you see something you like you can tap her on the shoulder and offer her money to come home - not bad. Also, the serious guys looking for a hook up are in by midnight and out by 0100 with their date for the night.
[QUOTE=City Angel]Recently visited Kiev, my first Ukraine trip for almost a year. Was previously a more regular visitor.
The River Palace is still ground zero for hobbyists in Kiev. The boat is starting to look a little bit dated now, but will be replaced by a much larger vessel in early 2007.
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Kiev is still a great place to visit, and the eye candy is world class. But it’s no longer really a place for the budget traveller. Eastern Europe is simply no longer that poor.[/QUOTE]
Bandit 7
You are absolutely correct in saying that the later it gets in River Palace the more chance there is of a bargain to be had among the girls. If you get there after 03. 00 and see one you like then most of the time all you have to do is buy them a drink or two, and by then you are the only chance left for them to score as most other guys have headed home.
However you should be aware that when you go late and score you may well be the second customer that night!
As for the Moda Bar, it seems to have a different crowd these days after a change of management, I would be interested to hear if anyone has had any success there lately.
It is certainly true that the River Palace has become tired and tacky looking, but it's not surprising as the boat has been moored there for 10 years now. It says something that their nightclub has managed to sustain that level of business for so long, most nightclubs/discoteques don't have such a long life.
There is a secure atmosphere at RP because the security there are trained not to act like Neantherdals when trouble starts and also you may have noticed the cameras all over the ship. Plus of course there is the weapons check when you come onto the boat.
Tired and tacky it may be but I humbly suggest to all you fellow mongerers out there that you enjoy it while it lasts because according to one of the English managers when the new ship arrives next year they are going to stop all the working girls from coming on board. Apparently they want to target a different kind of customer, one who will bring his wife and friends. Although this will impact on the nightclub revenues they feel that it will improve the casino and slots where the real profit is made.
Your report on river palace sums up pefectly what I thought of it last month when I was there. When I am in kiev next month I thought of using river palace as a sought of emergency backstop! Going somewhere else first moda bar etc and only going there if I had no luck there and hit the boat about 0330 onwards and pick myself a bargain up! On a Friday or Saturday night the girls can have invested as much as 50$ in taxis both ways, cover charge and drinks and are only to reasonable when the 250-300$ players have gone home about 0200! Never paid more than a 100$ after 0330 and been abe to negotiate 3 hours plus and all the extras! I will say one thing about river palace: it is the only place in kiev where I have felt 100% safe and at home and that includes the girls as well when I have took them back to my hotel or apartment!
Bandit7[/QUOTE]
I've always wondered about the quality of GIA as an appartment agency.
While their escorts are good quality at a reasonable price, can the same be said about their appartment rental services?
Do they too use the infamous bait-and-switch tactics?
Anybody have any good or bad experiences with them?
Has anyone tried this outfit?
[url]http://www.vipdosug.kiev.ua[/url]
Wonder if they deliver what they post.
From the 40 pictures maximum 12 are real, rest is fake.
I rent them an appartment, about a 2 years ago.
Big clean appartment close to maidan with all equipment: hifi satellite etc... driver to pick you at the airport and to drive you back after.
At this time there was a lot of water problem. They said it was the same for the all district. Probably true. Anyway during this crisis situation, the service was good, the manager called me everytime to give me an update on the situation.
They only rent for very short term. 2 weeks maximun if i remember correctly.
[QUOTE=BBBJ]I've always wondered about the quality of GIA as an appartment agency.
While their escorts are good quality at a reasonable price, can the same be said about their appartment rental services?
Do they too use the infamous bait-and-switch tactics?
Anybody have any good or bad experiences with them?[/QUOTE]
VT... you point out something that is very important in Ukrainian and Russian apartments. In warmer months, the hot water is typically shut off for weeks at a time and the cold water can be very sporatic with low pressure or being shut off for hours at a time. As we all know nothing kills the moment like no shower being available either before or after!
When you book any apartment in the FSU it is a very good idea to confirm exactly how that apartment service will handle that situation which is sure to occur in the warmer months.
For instance, when we build/remodel an apartment in Odessa, we put in a back up water tank with a pump AND a separate boiler in each apartment to control the hot water. This gives you full control so you are not dependent on the city services for anything... water, water pressure, hot water or heat. Of course the larger the back-up tank the better, but 250 liters should get a 1-BR apartment through a couple of showers. At our new place in Odessa we have installed a total of 6,000 liters of back up water so this should more that handle our group of apartments there!
Although I've never heard of an apartment service restricting how long you can stay... I have run into problems in Kiev for stay of less than four nights and they wouldn't book them until the last minute for fear of losing a longer term booking. In Odessa there is no length of stay problems that I am aware of.
It was suggested to me on the Odessa thread that I might find more info about reputable travel agencies on the Kiev thread. I've searched here, but didn't turn-up any leads.
Following on CA Traveler's suggestion below.
Does anyone have experience with reputable travel agencies in Kiev? Ones that can be entrusted with making arrangements/purchases of tickets for local flights, particularly to Odessa?
Likewise, for providers of local English- or French-speaking guides for day excursions / translation (for a newbie to Ukraine, with no Russian/Ukrainian language skills like me)?
Thanks.
[QUOTE=CA Traveler]Discovered a couple of things over the past few days...
...the Aerosvit website is not the best way to go.
I suggest either calling a travel agent to book your Aerosvit flights or spring for the int'l call and call Aerosvit directly in Kiev and have them book it. They can set it up to be ticketed when you arrive in Kiev if you plan to continue to Odessa or another city, but you 'll have the reservation in any case. FYI, do not expect to get a same day reservation/flight from Kiev to ODS in July or August. They will be booked both ways![/QUOTE]
Hi,
I travelled many times between Kiev and other cities in the Ukraine (but mainly to Odessa). At the begining I purchased my tickets from the airlines offices (the are all downtown around the independent square), but for the last couple of years I have just randomly used travelagencies which I saw in the streets and never had a problem - you pay, get your IATA ticket in your hand, and walk out.
Himself
Thanks Hi. That sure makes sense to me when you're on site; no problem.
But given the high season for flights to and from the coast, as reported below and elsewhere for July and August, I'm looking to make long-distance advance arrangements!
So I'm still looking in what Uke Boy and others have warned is a market that is not known for its abundance of scrupulous and service-oriented operators!
[QUOTE=BBBJ]I've always wondered about the quality of GIA as an appartment agency.
While their escorts are good quality at a reasonable price, can the same be said about their appartment rental services?
Do they too use the infamous bait-and-switch tactics?
Anybody have any good or bad experiences with them?[/QUOTE]
Dear BBBJ,
GIA is of course not an aptartment renting company, but they have quite good ones and they are very central located, specially those on Lesi Ukrainki and on Khreshchatyk. Walking distance from every think, ad some metro stops to River Palace.
Sometime, in very high season (July – August) they even rent out apartments they do not have on the site. It happened to me some years ago, I found a really good courtyard apartment, just a block away form the Khreshchatyk.
In my opinion their service is good and reliable. Only one thing. Always confirm by phone (real voice I mean) the day before of arrival… sometimes they tend to be a little overstressed with work and they miss some reservations! It happened to me but they fixed it in a couple of hours.
By the way that time in a new VW Passat, I had the driver, the interpreter and a nice slim blondinka teen (a special offer not on the internet catalogue, looking even younger than she was, sold out as “virgin type”!). Unfortunately I was so tired after a long long trip so I denied. I’m still thinking to that blondinka!
If you get apartment, girls, and other services (taxing from/to the airport), etc. You usually get a discount for the total.
In my opinion the apartments are exactly as the girls: a fair combination for a fair price. I will still use them, specially on ground the most part of their girls allows CIM and COF, and to be pictured too! Unfortunately nearly no anal. :( If you chose BBBJ as a nick name this should be important for you! :)
By the way I’ll rent an apartment from GIA some girls included in October. ;)
IT
[QUOTE=VinceVoyeur]If you want anal choose Larisa it's a very intelligent blondinka she studies at engeneering school but the night she looks like a real hooker very active she likes sex maybe she does anal without condom ...
For the young blondinka, she was a real virgin ? what is her name ? they have others girls not on the website...[/QUOTE]
I think she was virgin in the ears :)
At the moment I do not know if they have girls outside the internet site...
IT ;)
I’ve just come to Prague after a week trip to Kiev.
I couldn’t go there for more than six months, so I read many reports in this forum to collect updated information. I appreciate guys who wrote them. But there were not many updated information and some information was not correct. I tried and error many places, but I think most of guys visiting Kiev don’t have enough time and money. I like to contribute most recent accurate information about this best mongering city in the world.(at least for me)
I visited two massage places, six clubs, three escort agencies, and street girl one time.
Now new President of Ukraine change the law, so citizens of EU, USA, Canada, and Japan do not need visa to visit Ukraine. Much shorter time for entering process than my last visit. Julia was waiting in the arrival lobby. I always rent apartment from her. She rents several apartments located in the center. Her apartments are more expensive (140USD to 150USD) than others, but very modern lighting one bedroom apartment with beautiful Jacuzzi.
After check in apartment early afternoon, I called Gia ( [url]www.gia.com.ua[/url] ) and asked Galina because I read some good reports about her. Unfortunately, she didn’t work that day. I also asked Yula and Zoya, but they were busy. Yula was my girl during my last visit. She speaks decent English, and very good attitude and service. But I don’t like her body, especially tits. Gia is serious and honest agency. Their photos are always correct and if some girls are not available they say it honestly.
So I decided to try new agency, [url]www.hot-kiev.com[/url] . Forget about photos on their website. All photos are fake like [url]www.kievbeauties.com[/url] . They will send other girls even you order a certain girl. I ordered brunette Kira. The operator told me she will be in 30 minutes. After 30 minutes, a guy brought two girls, one was brunette big monster and another was young blonde with short fat body. Both of them looked far from the photos of Kira. I asked the guy which girl’s Kira. He didn’t answer and asked to choose one of the girls. Anyway, I chose the young blonde because she had cute face even 158cm and 65kg(?). I paid him 150 USD for two hours. But it was the disaster.
After sitting on the couch, she had bunch of phone call. I asked to take bath together, but she refused and went to shower first. Even during shower, she was talking with mobile phone. That is maybe why she refused to take shower together. After she took shower, I told her I cannot sex with mobile phone and I called agency to change the girl. After one hour, they send another girl, brunette with fatter body than this blonde. 156cm and 68kg(?). I didn’t have any more choice, so I tried her. She tried her best to make me happy, but she was not my taste at all. I couldn’t finish.
After wasting 3 hours with this f***ing agency, I called a massage place, Bagira.( [url]www.bagira.net.ua[/url] ) It was 10 minutes from the center (5-6 USD taxi one way). But quality of girls in this place below average and photos on website were incorrect. So I visited Rakuena ([url]www.rakuena.com[/url]) everyday from second day.
[b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.[/blue]
Massage place “Rakuena” vs “Bagira”
Location
Bagira locaed 10 minutes from the center (5-6 USD taxi one way).
Rakuena located in very center. If you stay near center, you can even walk there. But you should call for booking before you visit. They have only three rooms including waiting room (if two rooms are busy, they also use this room).
Girls
Photos of Bagira website were fake and below average.
Photos of Rakuena website were true. Some girls like Veronika and Oxana don’t have their photos on website, but they were very beautiful and had nice figures. Most of girls there looked 7-9/10.
Prices
There are so many kinds of massages on their website. You don’t have to remember all. Prices based on duration.
In Bagira, one hour is 250g ($50). From second visit 200g ($40) I did not try more than one hour session.
In Rakuena, one hour is 230g ($46), 90 min is 260g, 2 hours 310g. I took two girls (Veronika and Oxana) for two hours, I paid 620g ($124). It was fantastic.
I did not try 3 girls. Always give generous tip, then you will be treated differently next time.
Rooms
Rooms in Bagira have shower inside. Girls and you will have shower together before and after the session. Rooms surrounded by mirror and have good lighting system.
Rooms in Rakuena don’t have shower inside. They use one bathroom all together, so you cannot take shower with girls together. Rooms in Bagira are much nicer than Rakuena.
But quality of girls of Rakuena is much higher than Bagira. So I visited Rakuena almost everyday. Elena was very beautiful blonde with perfect petite body. Her massage was great, but she is little cold. Veronika was 23 yo brunette who had killer smile. Very beautiful face and warm attitude. She could not speak English but she was my favorite. Oxana was 20 yo blonde with beautiful body. She spoke decent English. She had great skill of massage and very good attitude and flexible. She allowed touching all place of her beautiful body with smile. I took Veronika and Oxana together twice. One was 2 hours, and another was 90 minutes. Both sessions were fantastic. I noticed Magarita was very beautiful (her photos were on website), but I did not try her because she was too tall for my taste.
If you have enough time in Kiev, you can try both places. If you don’t have time, just try Rakuena.
[b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.[/blue]
Escort agency, “Gia” ([url]www.gia.com.ua[/url])
You can find so many escort agencies on the internet or “Kiev Post” or “What’s on”. But only Gia uses real photos for the girls and send exactly same girl who you ordered.
Most of girls were changed this time. Out of girls I tried during my last visit, only Yula was still working. Yula was great GFE girl who speak decent English. If her body, especially tits, is more shaped, she would be perfect.
This time, I decided to try Galina after reading some good reports about her. I called them for two days, but she did not work. On third day, I booked her two hours finally. For the updated price of their price, you can send email to them, then they will send answer shortly. Here is recent price that I received through email.
VERONIKA,KARINA,KRISTINA,ILONA,ELENA,ALLA,NASTIA,VIOLA,RITA,ZOYA,MARTA,GALINA,OLGA,SVETA,ZARINA,YULA,LARISA,KSYUSHA:
1 hour 100$,2 hours 130$,3 hours 160$,4 hours 190$,8 hours 260$,1 day 400$,2 days 700$,3 days
1000$.
YANA:
1 hour 100$,2 hours 150$,3 hours 190$,4 hours 220$,8 hours 300$,10 hours 320,1 day 500$,2 days
800$,3 days 1100$.
* BJ without condom+COB - 10$
(YANA,ILONA,ELENA,ALLA,VIOLA,RITA,MARTA,OLGA,ZOYA,GALINA,SVETA,ZARINA,LARISA,YULA,KSYUSHA)
* BJ without condom+CIM+CIF - 20$
(YANA,ILONA,ELENA,ALLA,VIOLA,RITA,MARTA,ZOYA,GALINA,SVETA,LARISA,YULA)
* Anal - 20$ (LARISA)
* Lesbi - 15$ (VERONIKA,KRISTINA,ELENA,NASTIA,RITA,MARTA,LARISA)
* Play with toys (MARTA,SVETA,YULA,LARISA)
* 69
(YANA,VERONIKA,KARINA,KRISTINA,ILONA,ELENA,ALLA,NASTIA,VIOLA,RITA,MARTA,OLGA,ZOYA,GALINA,SVETA,ZARINA,YULA,LARISA,KSYUSHA)
* Kissing
(YANA,VERONIKA,KARINA,KRISTINA,ILONA,ELENA,ALLA,VIOLA,RITA,MARTA,OLGA,ZOYA,GALINA,SVETA,ZARINA,YULA,LARISA,KSYUSHA)
* Masturbation
(YANA,VERONIKA,KARINA,KRISTINA,ILONA,ELENA,ALLA,NASTIA,VIOLA,RITA,MARTA,OLGA,ZOYA,GALINA,SVETA,ZARINA,YULA,LARISA,KSYUSHA)
* Good English (YANA,KRISTINA,ILONA,ELENA,ALLA,NASTIA,YULA,LARISA)
* We arrange comfortable and private apartments for meeting - 30$.
Their price was exactly on their quotes. I ordered 2 hours with OWO and CIM at $150.
Operator said Galina will be at my apt after one hour, but she came early by herself. She was better looking than photos on their website. (on the website, Galina and Elena is same girl, Galina) She told me she was 19yo, but she looked 2 or 3 more. She had curved firm athletic tanned body. It was pity she couldn’t speak English. She was very shy and looked cold at first, but getting warm after little conversation using my lousy Russian.
She was very hot and enthusiastic on the bed. She didn’t quite like CIM, but didn’t refuse it. Overall great time with her, and I took 8 hours escort ($260) next day.
There are so many escort agencies in Kiev, but GIA is the only one you can try. Find your girl on their website, tell them your girls name. They are honest and serious. Gia girls are GFE and good service.
Just preparing my trip to Kiev next week. I stumbled over this link at love.mail.ru:
[url]www.ivan-for-you.narod.ru[/url]
8 095 331 56 00 (UMC)
Our telephone 8 095 331 56 00
The finest girls for you in seven apartments in the center of Kiev.
Come to us, choose girls, pay off, remain with the girl with us or take away the girl to itself - we shall free of charge give to you a taxi.
Sex in a condom.
1) street Ìàëàÿ Æèòîìèðñêàÿ,
Classical, oral sex and easy erotic massage - 50 $ the first hour, each next hour 30 $
anal sex 100 $ the first hour, each next hour 80 $
2) street Èíñòèòóòñêàÿ
Classical, oral sex and easy erotic massage - 50 $ in the first hour, each next hour 30 $
anal sex 100 $ in the first hour, each next hour 80 $
3) street Ëåîíòîâè÷à
Classical, oral sex and easy erotic massage - 60 $ in the first hour, each next hour 40 $
anal sex 120 $ in the first hour, each next hour 80 $
4) street Ãîðüêîãî (Àíòîíîâè÷à)
Classical, oral sex and easy erotic massage - 60 $ in the first hour, each next hour 40 $
anal sex 120 $ in the first hour, each next hour 80 $
5) street Áàññåéíàÿ
Classical, oral sex and easy erotic massage - 60 $ in the first hour, each next hour 30 $
anal sex 120 $ in the first hour, each next hour 80 $
6) street Êðàñíîàðìåéñêàÿ (Áîëüøàÿ Âàñèëüêîâñêàÿ)
Classical, oral sex and easy erotic massage - 80 $ in the first hour, each next hour 60 $
anal sex 120 $ in the first hour, each next hour 80 $
7) Áåññàðàáñêàÿ ïëîùàäü
Classical, oral sex and easy erotic massage - 80 $ in the first hour, each next hour 60 $
anal sex 120 $ in the first hour, each next hour 80 $
Has anyone ever visited one of these 7 apartments??
Hi,
I'll try it out. I'm there Friday/Saturday and Sunday. Full report Monday.
IL
Hello,
I've RTFF, and found not much too good about prostitutki.com, but does anybody know if this girl is for real:
[url]http://prostitutki.com.ua/girls/12/1[/url]
Wowsers!
DaYat
Anyone been to Arena City Night club- I hear that they have face control. They are not letting everybody in. Have to be with good looking date to get in .
Nice nice girls in Arena sports bar down stairs
Back in Kiev in several weeks if anyone wants to hook up for some fun
PM me
[QUOTE=Irish Lad]Hi,
I'll try it out. I'm there Friday/Saturday and Sunday. Full report Monday.
IL[/QUOTE]
I'm very curious too...
I'll be in Kiev for a week in October so... I'll need their services!
IT
You need 100grv to get in.
What your date looks like and if you have one doesn't matter.
Like most upscale night clubs if you don't have money you better at least dress like you do.
Are you talking about the micro brewery or the sports bar? I've spent some time in the micro brewery but I find the girls there like the food - not too good and over priced. When the place first open last winter the food was great, have had a hard time getting a good meal there since then. The only time I spent in the sports bar was on this last Super Bowl Sunday - the game started around 0130 and there wasn't much of a crowd there being Sunday, err Monday morning. Just me, my American friend, oddly enough about 15-20 brits and a few girls. The sport bar, the micro brewery and club are spot on for their upscale American counterparts (decor and price). I think the owner/one of the owners is an American expat.
[QUOTE=Toronto Guy]Anyone been to Arena City Night club- I hear that they have face control. They are not letting everybody in. Have to be with good looking date to get in .
Nice nice girls in Arena sports bar down stairs
Back in Kiev in several weeks if anyone wants to hook up for some fun
PM me[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DaYat]Hello,
I've RTFF, and found not much too good about prostitutki.com, but does anybody know if this girl is for real:
[url]http://prostitutki.com.ua/girls/12/1[/url]
Wowsers!
DaYat[/QUOTE]Hello DaYat,
I don't know if that girl is real but I had a look at the side and one of the girl call Tania is not real the picture come from a porno site I see here sometime when I surf. Tell me if you go if the photo are real.
Here is my report of a week spent in Kiev last May. Had a hardon from landing at the airport so went first night went to RP. Found that the girls all started at c $200.As I was not willing to pay over $100 decided to pass. Sure MT was there too – never tried her as she may have been round the block once too often but having read latest pms maybe I should. Always find that prices start to lower towards the end of the evening but on the other hand I tend to drink a lot more which affects performance (and judgement as you never know who you wake up with.)
Made eye contact with Lana who said she had been trying to catch my gaze all evening. These girls know just how to massage the ego. She agreed to come home for $100 after the usual toing and froing. She was a 7, very cute brunette nice figure. Leaned over in the cab and she responded by deep kissing as passionate as any I have experienced. In the apartment took half a C. It did the trick. Took her hard and long. Towards the end I took my dick and placed it in her mouth for a long BBBJ. Pushed her hand away and she replied with gusto. RP never dissapoints..
Last Night of week in Kiev went to Arena, Friday with Russian friend lining up vodka shots. Third time round I was finished. Decided to escape and mooch around to see what I could find. Began talking to a beautiful petite blonde at the bar. Rate her 8 – 9.
Turned out she was 21, Economics graduate previously been married to a 52 year old and lived in Florida but decided to leave him because of his drink problem. She more or less turned her back on her friend and when I suggested we go back to her apartment told her I was taking her to a casino. In Kiev it always pays to ask. Nothing special in bed but beautiful body and face of an angel. In the morning she got a call from an Italian boyfriend, again an older guy who took her to Romania regularly. Said her life was too complicated but guess she was looking for anther sponsor. Another top night in a city where all your dreams can true.
Hi all
Thinking of getting a girl from this agency. Do any of you know anything about it? Is it a fake or am I going to have hottt fun.
Thanks
[quote=www.east-escorts.com]Our prices are quite competetive. Please compare:
1 day $ 400
2 days $ 700
1 week $ 1700
2 weeks $ 2500
Weekend Fri-Mon $ 900
Weekend Fri-Sun $ 700
Ask for special rates and your individual offer. Travel expenses are not included and will be added to the prices above.
It is very easy to book our girls. Bookings in Kharkov are free of charge. For bookings in Kiev or Odessa a downpayment of $130 is required.
Bookings abroad are also possibel. Very easy to realize:
>>Choose your girl and tell me your shedule
>>Get our propsal
>>Pay travel expenses and $200 deposit through Western Union
That's all you have to do...[/quote]
Fake of course. 15 top models doing anal for only $400 / day, mandatory prepayment. Who wants to go to Kharkov to see what it is ? Who wants to pay travel expenses + $200 through Western Union to an unknown agency ?
Unknown agency, maybe not : there is a link to [url=http://www.belamodel.tk/]Elline Escorts / Belamodel[/url] (">>Next Page>>" on models page) which is a well known scam agency. Say hello to Boris M****enko from Kiev who will happily get your money and laugh at your illusions !
Thanks Dant for saving me the trouble and the cash.
Hello all,
Fridays internet date cancelled so I spent the evening doing research.
Tried calling Ivan-4 -you but no reply. Tried several times over the weekend and the same result.
Hit Arena bar about 10pm and plenty of girls working the bar. Most were busy chatting to guys but that didn't stop them looking over to see if any interest from me. I met a girl from last year there but she couldn't stay. It appears she doesn't pay the security guys so they don't allow her to stay.
I headed over to Art112 which was full of potential. a 60/40 F/M ratio which is fine. The place was hopping with girls coming in, dancing for a while checking out the customer base and leaving. I learnt that 75% are working semi-pro style.
Headed down to River Palace to see how far downhill it had gone since last summers visits. I ended up drinking here until 5am checking it out.......completely. About 40 girls in total and about 40 guys.
I only spoke with 2 girls. 1 wanted $300 for the night to include..............almost nothing. Covered oral, classic sex, no reverse oral. She was about an 8. The other girl wanted $200 at 5am. Same services ( or lack of). Both said "this is normal". I said "not for me".
Cost of trip to River palace is over $20 without drinks so I'll not be back until someone tells me that it has improved...............dramatically.
Arranged for this girl to come to my apartment at 4pm.
[url]http://www.destiny.com.ua/anketa.phtml?oid=62563398&oid=62563398&photos_a=1[/url]
Price was $60 for and hour. She was not the best I ever had but had a lovely body and nice breasts. The person who anwers emails is from an agency so she'll not know who you are when she arrives. She expected 2 shots from me in that time but I didn't have the energy and knew I had a big night ahead.
By pre-arrangement, Lana aged 22, arrived at 8pm. I had got in contact with her through a friend, Inna, who can organise any type of girl for me. Feel free to PM me for her details. Price for the night was $300 to include anything I liked, including OWO and anal. I had seen her pics before but never expected her to be as good looking as she is in the flesh. I'm 41 and haven't performed like that for amost 20 years. She was Viagra personified. We had planned to go out to Arena for some dancing after some sex but decided to remain in for the night. I'll book her for 2 nights the next time.
Pretty tired by now, I arranged through Inna for Nikie to come to me for a couple of hours to include anal. Pretty 22 year old blond who charges $120 for 2 hours. She speaks some English and enjoys her sex a lot.
Due to workmen in my apartment, I had to go out Sunday evening for a few hours even though I needed my sleep. Met up with a girl I know who works the Kreschatyk st area and took home her friend Natalie for an hour for $70.
She's a cute Italian looking girl who is an expert at oral. I just love the way Ukrainian women lick and suck.
Now full of beans I went to Arena for a look. Free entry on Sunday for guys I also checked out Rich??? Bar across the yard on the 8th floor. Not bad but ended up meeting 2 Belarussian girls in Arena and headed to shooters with them for my first time. No working girls here but I pulled a gorgeous blond girl of 25 for a night of passion. Ended up dropping her home on my way to the airport on Monday afternoon. I now have to decide whether to head to Odessa for the 1st June or back to Kiev for some revisits.
Met an Irish guy I know from Odessa on the plane home who's opening a nightclub in Odessa in September so I'll extend this years season until later than last year.
Hi guys
Some weeks ago I met a girl (very very young if you compare with me) in a - well, lets say "normal" - international chatroom. Talking-sms-mail-and now phoning a lot with her. And in about five weeks I am planing to visit kiev. She told me, that it is possible to find cheap apartements from friends, cause lot of people are leaving city in summer for datcha, and it will be usual in ukraine, that friends are helping firends (for understanding: she is 18, studying and living together with parents, so staying at her home is no option). Does anybody has experience with that? Would be nice to tell me.
Thanks a lot
Chris
I'll be travelling around Ua. from now until June 7, with periodic visits to Kyiv. I'll then be in Belarus, mainly in Minsk, for up to a month. I'll then be in Ua. again, with an attempt at going to Moldova in July for at least a week (I don't have the visa yet; how's the Mo. embassy in Kyiv at this?). I'm slim and in mid-thirties. I speak some Russian. Let me know if you want to meet up. Kharkov sucks, BTW: it's a white, non-fat NYC. Plokha! I'll be in Dnepropetrovsk by the end of the week. Do skorogo?
If you don't arrange your kvartira from a tourist agent,
you may not get a reno.
The agents are used to what westerners expect, nice new
kitchen with microwave, new furniture, satellite TV, a lift
that works, hot water most of the time, even hot tub in some.
A flat arranged by some nice but dumb kid probably will
not have any of the above, so if you don't need any
creature comforts, and enjoy living 1950's style and
taking polish showers, (a few drops to wash your face
and the rest of you stinks from body odor), then use
your "friend". Your dates surely won't be impressed.
For any even half-serious monger, there's really only one
way to go, the Kvartira King o' Kyiv, that krazy kraut,
Mr. Viktor, slum landlord extraordinaire! He's got the flats
that every mamachka knows, right down to the sofa sex
stains and everywhere else you and the last 8 other rental
mongers banged RP pussy on the dining room table. Just
don't be shocked when one of his buddies who might be
giving some dyev a lift to your 'session' ends up doing
her doggy right in the fucking stairway! (If she's hot!)
All just part of that friendly Ukrainian customer service!
Dboy... Bez is exactly right! An 18 y.o. girl has no expections of anything but a normal Ukr apartment... Be AFRAID... BE VERY AFRAID! She's probably thinking she can make 20+ UAH per night, but it could be a very bad deal for you. If she had traveled the world, maybe, but her standards will be similar to most southside Chicago slums. Get a reputable agent in Kiev... there are many. I always use [url]www.kievhotelservice.com[/url], guy named Alex, but there are many others that others have recommended.
Nac anybody advise on which dting forum to use to find freebies in Kiev. I have used nothing but ads in the kievpost so far - with MORE or less success. I find that most agencies providing massages do much more than just massages - if you approach the girl in the right, kind way.
Julia is a stunning girl I had two fantistic nights with last weekend - she brought her girlfriend Kara with her.
Hello all,
There are many dating agencies in Kiev but your best bet is to use one of the online ones. [url]www.destiny.com.ua[/url] or [url]www.singles.ru[/url] .
They are basically the same site.
Another one I had great success with is [url]www.luckylovers.net[/url] but they now charge females to join so the usage is down. Also most of the paidup females here have had their membership paid for by other men so their authenticity is open to question. I suppose they are saying the same thing about men like us???
Alternatively, you can do what I saw a guy do last week on Kreschatyk st. He stood on the street for an hour collecting numbers from girls in the 9/10 category. I saw him collect 5. He had a good approach and made all the girls either smile or laugh and I'm sure he scored with one of them at some point.
As mentioned here before, there is a tendency to overplan visits to the Ukraine and I am guilty of this in the past. Please believe that no matter how goodlooking the girl you chat to online is, there will probably be a dozen better looking and available girls in the club you take your date to.
When looking to meet freebies in the Ukraine I find it important to remember certain factors.
1. The fact that I am 41 is a good thing for 25 year old Ukrainain girls.
2. The fact that I am not as skinny as a rake is another good thing.
3. That I treat women with respect works too.
4. That, just like in most parts of the world, I like to wine and dine my dates works.............1.000% more than in my own country.
What won't work is treating the girls like wh...s. I have seen a guy approach girls on this basis and he was essentially "blackballed" by the girls and any of her friends.
You can of course lie through your teeth and promise green cards etc to the girls to get them to sleep with you but I feel they know that trick by now. My advice is to be yourself, treat them well, and try not to be too pushy. If you do this and click with someone, don't worry, she'll jump you.
If you do this then you'll do 10 times better than in most other parts of the world. By this I mean, not knowing anything about you, that if you pull 5 times a year in your own town then you'll pull 50 times a year in Ukraine. If you pull 3 times a month then you'll pull every night here.........do your own maths for this. I'd even go so far as to say that if you click with one girl and she's busy the next night, she might ask you to take her friend out instead.
Wishing you the best of luck and hoping we read your reports here after. It would be nice to know where you met Julia ................and her friend too!
IL
[QUOTE=Irish Lad]
1. The fact that I am 41 is a good thing for 25 year old Ukrainain girls.
2. The fact that I am not as skinny as a rake is another good thing.
3. That I treat women with respect works too.
4. That, just like in most parts of the world, I like to wine and dine my dates works.............1.000% more than in my own country.
IL[/QUOTE]
Very Good tactic, but....I allways do the same, I act as the perfect gentleman, and they act as the perfect lady, two kises in cheek, good night and will you call me tomorrow?. The "not sex in first date" also works in Kiev...
So, I arrive apartment, take phone and call GIA, they dont care about sex in first date
Hi,
Sorry to hear about this. I agree with acting like a gentleman but maybe your situation calls for the "Not on the first night? It's your only night" approach. I always make sure that they realise I need to be tamed a little and have other plans which I might or might not change. They play the game too but don't let them win.
I do feel that the ukraine "market" suits my personality more than other places. I have spent 60 nights hunting in Australia over the last 2 years and pulled only 4 times. I estimate that I missed out on maybe 12 results due to "bad timing" or being too much of a gentleman. I just know it's not my market. So much for sterotypes!
Gia is a good agency in my opinion but I see you passed up on Nastia. If you're prepared to take a challenge........I suggest you book her for a night and go out hunting for a playmate. I guarantee you'll have fun and pick up lots of contacts for the 2nd night. She's one of the sexiest dancers I ever met and overflowing with sex appeal.
Either way I wish you all the best.
IL
Hi guy,
Can you be so kind to give a little introduction how to sign in at these sites for a non-russian-speaking-fool like me?
Thanks
Hi,
Alex Koen gave some good instructions about 6/7 pages back. Here is the link anyway.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=447064&postcount=1715[/url]
I open an online translator like [url]http://www.online-translator.com/[/url] and complete my profile in tandem with this.
It takes about 20 mins but you should get some results. Write to a few as they get a lot of responses. Perhaps 100 in a day. Better to place a photo if your looking for "dates", if pros then it doesn't matter.
IL
I was in Kiev last week and spent some hours preparing my trip through destiny.com.ua (or love.mail.ru, same site) and luckylovers.net.
I was wondering why some older contacts at LL all of a sudden only answered with fixed messages when I wrote to them, but Irish Lad is right, looks like girls pay same price now for LL, so personal messages aren´t possible for them anymore as non-paying members.
What does still work for free though is contacting girls through the private chat room at LL. Click on "who is online", then sort girls by age or country, then click on "talk". If you survive the first five minutes, it normally won´t be a problem to get her mobile, exchange email-adresses, or even arrange a date. Just don´t talk through your dick, or unbutton your pants in front of the webcam (one girl complained to me about a guy swinging his dick in front of the cam, but after an hour of “normal” chatting with her she was even considering asking mom for permission to fly over from Odessa to Kiev to meet me).
When actually in Kiev, it turned out that all the time invested for pre-arranging dates had been wasted. I met an extremely cute 22 year old semi-pro student I knew from last year, working for an agency, and she was so happy to see me that she practically moved in with me for the entire duration of my stay.
She had to leave me every now and then for an occasional "outcall", but it was a good feeling getting for free what others were paying big bucks for.
I did manage to fit in a date with a gia-girl for a one hour afternoon visit. So many positive reports about gia, but difficult choosing a girl, none of them really are my type. I finally decided to go for "Viola". Called the agency, friendly woman speaking perfect english, one hour with BBBJ, DFK and CIM 120, as many shots as you can manage. She arrived on time, sweet girl constantly smiling, originally from Moscow (anyway thats what she told me), looked 100% as in her pics, great service, no complaints, she afterwards even tried to give me back the 10 bucks extra I gave her, saying this was too much.
I wanted an apartment with broadband-internet and [url]www.uaapartments.com[/url] had a newly renovated apartment available for a 30 % discount, used them the first time, 100 percent satisfied, free cleaning service, extra towels, extra linen, only problem was the internet, fast, but not reliable, down most of the time. Other reason i chose uaapartments is they calculate in dollars, so it’s a good deal at the current euro/dollar exchange rate as an euro-based traveller.
[QUOTE=Irish Lad]Hi,
Gia is a good agency in my opinion but I see you passed up on Nastia. If you're prepared to take a challenge........I suggest you book her for a night and go out hunting for a playmate.
IL[/QUOTE]
Nastya is the most pretty girl for sure, a real princess, but she says she doesnt kiss, and do BJ with condom, so. I would never pay to be with her.
Hi all,
I will be visiting the Ukraine with work. I am planning to spend one night in Kiev prior to heading to Rovno and a couple of nights after getting back from Rovno. I am looking for a reasonable priced hotel any recommendations around $100 US or thereabouts.
Any advice would be appreciated especially about girls working in them or what I need to be careful of if I want to bring a girl in to the hotel.
can you rent apartments for the night.
Also anyone know if there is any action in Rovno.
Help is greatly appreciated.. PS I do not speak Russian.
Barmy
Hi all,
Visiting Ukraine with work I have 1 night in Kiev before going to Rovno and a couple of nights after I get back from Rovn.
Can anyone advise best hotel for girl friendly no rip off and perhaps best for a guy who will be mongering but has only a limited time in Kiev. e.g. can apartments be rented for individual nights.
Any advice on scene in Rovno as well would be appreciated.
I arrive 18th June if anybody wants a beer?
Barmy
Just wondering from a mixed guy (black/white) if I am going to have any problems in Kiev this summer (early September)? I would say my complexion is "tan" and could easily be mistaken for a Moroccan, although I am American. I am quite concerned about safety after reading these reports and more so being a brother. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys!
I used gia Sunday night, about 3 available and picked marta because I thought she was new! What a mistake marta is actually rebranded mila with a new trick! She was not very good and a total waste of money. I think one of the others has been rebranded as well! You don't rebrand sucessful products only failures so I don't understand why gia accomodates them.
Arrived Friday and was took to my apartment which was actually the one I had booked on the internet, which was a first for me! Used kievlet and they are a bit more expensive than the others but the owner is english and sound. Before I went I was in touch with irish lads provider and she had e-mailed me some pics of girls and as soon as I arrived I sms her but my mobile was not having any of it so I rang the owner of kievlet and asked him to call for me and give her my number and 5 mins later she called and offered me mika anal cim owo etc, mika called me from work and said she would be there at 7 and she delivered all as promised, I waited in Saturday for her to call but for some reason she didnt so I call kievlet again but the owner was not there and the ukrainian manager who was on wasnt the type I thought that I could trust so I left it and thought they would ring again but they didnt! When I got home I had 12 e-mails with pics of semi pros that I could of had! Irish lad enormous thanks and don't worry me and your provider are a ok and will continue with the same arrangements the next time in kiev! She realy has the girls no doubt about that!
Looking at Gia's website, Larisa no longer offers Anal. Neither does any other girl on the website.
Hi,
Bandit7, You're very welcome. I'm glad everything went well. Inna's friends/contacts are mostly semi-pro but if you have "special requests" then she'll find a suitable candidate for you. She's a good contact to have so I'm also glad that any "confusion" over Saturday was sorted out.
Off to Odessa in 30 mins and lots of research to be done. Under doctors orders to check out Itaka and Ibiza...........he prescribes some excellent medicine.
Sorry to hear that 2005 was worse than 2004! The tide is certainly moving East. Bishkek isn't so bad...............
IL
The latest from GIA:
Hello!
No one performs anal :(
Our girls:
NIKA,POLINA,KRISTINA,ILONA,ELENA,ALLA,NASTIA,VIOLA,RITA,ZOYA,MARTA,GALINA,SVETA,YULA,LARISA,KSYUSHA:
1 hour 100$,2 hours 130$,3 hours 160$,4 hours 190$,8 hours 260$,
10 hours 280$,12 hours 300$, 1 day 400$,2 days 700$,3 days 1000$.
YANA:
1 hour 110$,2 hours 170$,3 hours 230$,4 hours 280$,8 hours 380$,12
hours 480$,1 day 600$,2 days 1000$,3 days 1300$.
* BJ without condom+COB - $10
(NIKA,YANA,ELENA,ALLA,VIOLA,RITA,MARTA,ZOYA,GALINA,SVETA,LARISA,YULA,KSYUSHA)
* BJ without condom+CIM+CIF - $20
(YANA,ELENA,ALLA,VIOLA,RITA,MARTA,GALINA,SVETA,YULA)
* Lesbi - $15 (POLINA,KRISTINA,ELENA,NASTIA,RITA,MARTA,LARISA)
* [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] - $20 (ILONA,MARTA)
* Play with toys (MARTA)
* 69
(NIKA,YANA,POLINA,KRISTINA,ILONA,ELENA,ALLA,NASTIA,VIOLA,RITA,MARTA,ZOYA,GALINA,SVETA,YULA,LARISA,KSYUSHA)
* Kissing
(NIKA,YANA,KRISTINA,ILONA,ELENA,ALLA,VIOLA,RITA,MARTA,ZOYA,GALINA,SVETA,YULA,LARISA,KSYUSHA)
* Masturbation
(NIKA,YANA,POLINA,KRISTINA,ILONA,ELENA,ALLA,NASTIA,VIOLA,RITA,MARTA,ZOYA,GALINA,SVETA,YULA,LARISA,KSYUSHA)
* Good English
(YANA,POLINA,KRISTINA,ILONA,ELENA,ALLA,NASTIA,YULA,LARISA)
* We arrange comfortable and private apartments for meeting - 30$.
I wouldn't go wandering the streets late at night alone. The only thing I would worry about is during the summer there is a lot of public drinking going on. Be alert (not paranoid) and you should be ok.
[QUOTE=Nepo23]Just wondering from a mixed guy (black/white) if I am going to have any problems in Kiev this summer (early September)? I would say my complexion is "tan" and could easily be mistaken for a Moroccan, although I am American. I am quite concerned about safety after reading these reports and more so being a brother. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys![/QUOTE]
went last Saturday night of my trip and quickly realised what a big mistake it was! At about 1230 I wondered where al the girls were and decided to do a bit of a head count, at least 70 men and about 40 women! And it was getting worse by the minute, everytime 2/3 women came in the same or more men came it was a total disaster!
Teamed up with a fellow brit and I and was telling him it was bound to get better, he had been moda on the Friday and crashed and burned but it was a total wash out! He had some interesting info that might interest cruiser the when he goes next time, he say that he and his friend went millenium sat down and the girs were working them, they refused to buy them drinks but they said to go out they had to! In the end they agreed to buy them a drink but only for 25$ and they left with their quality booty as he told me! As the manager was not there! I don't know if this is true but maybe on a slow night in the week maybe. He want to cut and run and for us to go millenium but on Saturday night I doubted that they would be as nice to me! He had been all over the slavic world and he did not rate the river palace ho"s! Reckons the russian babes are better! Which is just as well as that is where I am of next! Left at 4 with lana the girl whom took me in last time I was there 150$till 1100 and all was well.
Just to give you an idea about how popular kiev has become on my flight 5 people were being picked up by the same apartment agency that I used. It is becoming more like prague every time I go in the summer and have to say that I think it is really not worth visiting in the summer months, the best mongering I have had has always been in the colder months when the tourists stay at home.
I haved also had some luck with free russians personals leave it to the week before you go and only contact those who have joined in the last week and you will not be disappointed!
Kiev update: disco Ring is closed for good, disco Opium closed though i didn´t check this myself. This year is your last chance to visit Riverpalace, there will be a new boat next year, focus being on families, no working girls allowed.
Bandit 7, you should have went to Decadence or Azhur/Avalon last saturday, i´ve never seen more hot girls per square meter in Kiev. Both places are in walking distance from the center, Decadence 3 minutes south of Arena and Azhur about 15 minutes west.
Azhur (Avalon) 3 Leontovicha
Decadence House, 16 Shota Rustaveli
[QUOTE=Irish Lad]Hi,
Bandit7, You're very welcome. I'm glad everything went well. Inna's friends/contacts are mostly semi-pro but if you have "special requests" then she'll find a suitable candidate for you. She's a good contact to have so I'm also glad that any "confusion" over Saturday was sorted out.
IL[/QUOTE]
I hope Bandit's "confusion" wasn't too serious, because I just contacted Inna but she replied that " ... I had bad experienced recently .... that's why I ask you to send me 100$ usd via western union as downpayment."
:-0
Barmer
Warning : I was attacked by a lot of viruses when I tried to visit [url]www.gia.com.ua[/url] !!!
not me barmer67 I paid my bills in full! She e-mailed me since my return and quite happy with me! And willing to provide future services to me without western money transfer. Confusion amounts really to a storm in a tea cup.
After Friday night they innas crew had my number and I expected them to call me on Saturday to arrange further visits but they didnt call so I went river palace. I asked mika the girl I saw fri night to tell inna to send someone Saturday night at 1900 nobody called like I said. When lana went 1000 Sunday morning I had to move apartments that was the end of that!
Even if River Palace does change into Disneyland - which I doubt very much is going to happen. Some place new will pop up. It's about time RP died anyways.
Unless things have change drasticly at Millenium the chances of someone walking out with a girl after buying her a drink is about zero. The likelyhood of walking (err) out with a no neck with his hand wrapped around your neck if you tried something like that is a lot higher. Sounds like false bravado on your friends part. And how does one strike out at Moda Bar? Did he leave his wallet at home? ;)
I've spent the last 3 nights at RP and had a great time each night. It is still the number 1 spot in Kiev for mongering and has been that way for 10 years now. How many clubs do you know that have lasted that long, most clubs have a shelf life of around 3 years but old RP just keeps going and going.
Sure the surroundings aren't too luxurious but the price of the drinks there now are very reasonable compared to other places, and the entrance fee is only $6 on 4 nights of the week. The place is full of p4p's and it is the one club you can always score in. Yes the girls have put up their prices, but that's the same all over town, at the RP at least you can relax knowing that some no neck isn't going to be throwing you into the wall if you happen to have just a little too much to drink. A friend of mine got completely wasted in there last month and woke up next day minus his mobile. That night he passed by the boat and politely enquired if a mobile phone had been found the previous night, they asked him what make,he replied Motorola,and they gave him back his phone.
In my book that entitles RP to a little respect.
PS. I spotted MT at the bar, she's looking good!
Our girls:
NIKA,POLINA,KRISTINA,ILONA,ELENA,ALLA,NASTIA,VIOLA,RITA,ZOYA,MARTA,GALINA,SVETA,YULA,LARISA,KSYUSHA:
1 hour 100$,2 hours 130$,3 hours 160$,4 hours 190$,8 hours 260$,
10 hours 280$,12 hours 300$, 1 day 400$,2 days 700$,3 days 1000$.
YANA:
1 hour 110$,2 hours 170$,3 hours 230$,4 hours 280$,8 hours 380$,12
hours 480$,1 day 600$,2 days 1000$,3 days 1300$.
* BJ without condom+COB - $10
(NIKA,YANA,ELENA,ALLA,VIOLA,RITA,MARTA,ZOYA,GALINA,SVETA,LARISA,YULA,KSYUSHA)
* BJ without condom+CIM+CIF - $20
(YANA,ELENA,ALLA,VIOLA,RITA,MARTA,GALINA,SVETA,YULA)
* Lesbi - $15 (POLINA,KRISTINA,ELENA,NASTIA,RITA,MARTA,LARISA)
* [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] - $20 (ILONA,MARTA)
* Play with toys (MARTA)
* 69
(NIKA,YANA,POLINA,KRISTINA,ILONA,ELENA,ALLA,NASTIA,VIOLA,RITA,MARTA,ZOYA,GALINA,SVETA,YULA,LARISA,KSYUSHA)
* Kissing
(NIKA,YANA,KRISTINA,ILONA,ELENA,ALLA,VIOLA,RITA,MARTA,ZOYA,GALINA,SVETA,YULA,LARISA,KSYUSHA)
* Masturbation
(NIKA,YANA,POLINA,KRISTINA,ILONA,ELENA,ALLA,NASTIA,VIOLA,RITA,MARTA,ZOYA,GALINA,SVETA,YULA,LARISA,KSYUSHA)
* Good English (YANA,POLINA,KRISTINA,ILONA,ELENA,ALLA,NASTIA,YULA,LARISA)
* We arrange comfortable and private apartments for meeting - 30$.
Please, call us when you are in Kiev 2 hours before the meeting:
(+38044)237-45-47 (english-speaking person)
(+38067)396-70-70 (english-speaking person)
We work only in Ukraine, Kiev.
[QUOTE=Irish Lad]Arranged for this girl to come to my apartment at 4pm.
[url]http://www.destiny.com.ua/anketa.phtml?oid=62563398&oid=62563398&photos_a=1[/url]
Price was $60 for and hour. She was not the best I ever had but had a lovely body and nice breasts. The person who anwers emails is from an agency so she'll not know who you are when she arrives. She expected 2 shots from me in that time but I didn't have the energy and knew I had a big night ahead.
[/QUOTE]
Too bad .... they just replyed that she doesn't work anymore but to check [url]www.kievdosug.ru[/url]
I will see what will come :)
THX
TL
[QUOTE=tits_lover]Too bad .... they just replyed that she doesn't work anymore but to check [url]www.kievdosug.ru[/url]
I will see what will come :)
THX
TL[/QUOTE]
I've found here even here:
[url]http://www.sexkiev.ru/ksenia.html[/url]
Anyone knows this place ?
TL
Warning to all members about East-Escort ( [url]www.east-escorts.com[/url] ) / Eline Escort ( [url]www.belamodel.tk[/url] )
They have different websites, but they are same agency. Just with different prices.
I decided to try this agency because they have photos of many models. I sent an email to Eline Escort. Victoria replied very friendly and kindly. She replied everyday whatever I asked. Finally I chose one girl and asked to send to my apartment in Kiev. She asked $130 of deposit in advance by Western Union. But she never replied me after I sent the deposit. Of course, they didn’t send me anybody.
Don’t try any agency which asks deposit in advance especially if they don’t have phone number in website.
Ksenia ( if that's how she spells it), mentioned that she was going to Odessa about now so maybe she's on holidays or something. Either way, she wasn't that good.......her breasts were her best assets.
As for money in advance????? It's going to get harder to meet independent girls if people continue to make arrangements and then break them. They'll all be asking for money in advance and we of course won't be sending it. I can understand Innas frustration. Her friends are semipros and not all of them live in Kiev. Lana, for example, travelled 3 hours by bus to meet me. She got very little sleep, not all my fault, and then travelled home by bus the next day.
I forwarded Innas details to quite a few guys here. Some changed their plans, some met Lana or another friend but others seem to have too much time on their hands and are writing stupid letters to her. I have denied her details today to a guy that is probably very genuine but I'm not going to spoil my relationship with Inna so I'll only forward her details to known posters from now on.
IL
Ballentine30 and others,
RTTF! (read the f**king forum!) ALL OF IT!
You are lucky you lost only $130. Guys, with rare exceptions such as known apartment agencies that may require a deposit, in ALL other cases with NO exceptions when it involves the ladies directly or the agencies that pimp them, DO NOT SEND EVEN ONE CENT IN ADVANCE.
If you do the chances are that 100% of the time you will lose the money and feel like a complete idiot - which you will be if you read this post and still send the money.
This area is filled with rip off artists who will clean you out if you believe in their lies. Be skeptical of all things especially when money is paid before and not after the event.
My complaints about RP has nothing to do with the club itself. Just the current male - female - money dynamics as opposed to say just last year; nevermind ten years ago (imagine scooping up a solid nine for a rocking all nighter for $50-$100 ten years ago). I actually rather like the club itself and have always been treated extremely well by the staff.
p4p is becoming less of an interest for me in Kiev as I become more of a player in the dating scene. Not because I found higher morals, I simply don't have the time. ;) Apartment line ups, strip clubs and personal networking is my primary means of p4p in Kiev. But I must say, RP rocked my world prior to 2006. As far as RP being a beacon of prime talent at reasonable prices - it's over.
[QUOTE=Tremayne]I've spent the last 3 nights at RP and had a great time each night. It is still the number 1 spot in Kiev for mongering and has been that way for 10 years now. How many clubs do you know that have lasted that long, most clubs have a shelf life of around 3 years but old RP just keeps going and going.
PS. I spotted MT at the bar, she's looking good![/QUOTE]
I had bad experiences with escort agency GIA.
When I called them the prices were higher then the ones they had given me in their mail.
Still had a session. When I had another session a few days later the girl told me that even in those few days the price had raised. Unreliable
Made my first visit to Kiev two weeks ago. I had prearranged a meeting via Adult Friend Finder for Friday night. Friday afternoon my pre arrangement asked if we could reschedule to the next day. So with Friday night now open, and despite the mixed reviews, I decided to try RP. I went down to the sports bar which at 21:30 was still pretty empty. Within about a half hour a tall, thin girl probably around 25, about an 8 in looks with short red/brown hair and a nice build came and sat at the bar. After eye contact she came over and introduced herself as Yulia. We chatted, had a few drinks, listened to the band (they were pretty good), more drinks including Chech Vodka (amber colored with an interesting flavor) served with orange slices. It’s starting to feel more like a date than p4p. Around midnight she suggests that we head back to my apartment and asks if I’m willing to pay her something. I asked how much and she said $200. By then the vodka was speaking and I said yes without any negotiating. Turned out to be a great investment. We showered and she started OWO, lots of DFK, 69, multiple positions and then asks for anal and couldn’t seem to get enough. Cover came off and she finished bbbjcim. A repeat performance in the AM followed by a late breakfast out. I’m liking Kiev.
My AFF date shows up around 1PM and we spend the afternoon touring Kiev, a nice lunch but unfortunately she has a family commitment and can not stay the night. Plan B was Gia (too tired for RP). They had a ‘special’ on Alla. $130 for two hours including bbbjcim. I asked why the special and the very nice woman said they were looking to increase the number of new clients. Alla was a bit reserved at first but once warmed up she quickly turned quite hot. She really loves to give and receive oral. Her pictures are pretty accurate, she’s perhaps a little heavier but the face shots have little retouching. I slept well.
The following Friday (last Friday) after business in Dnepropetrovsk during the week I returned to Kiev. Irish Lad was kind enough to provide an introduction to his friend Inna who in turn set me up with Lana. Extraordinary just begins to describe the experience of spending time with her. She’s a dancer in her home town which is about 200 kilometers outside of Kiev, has trained in classical ballet, loves to ride horses and is wild about sex, any way you like it. On top of all that she’s a 9+ in looks and is incredibly photogenic. She could easily be a fashion model. She has a 9+ in the body (though you have to like small, very firm breasts and six pack abs) and as Irish Lad said “she is Viagra personified” with a great personality to go along with the rest of the package. Be forewarned though…when Lana gets stimulated she gets VERY vocal….at least a couple of apartments away worth of volume. My only disappointment was that I could not take her home. Thanks again Irish Lad!
Hi
Great report sir! I'll be back in Kiev in a few weeks so I'll make sure Lana keeps up the good work.......! You also did very well out of RP. $200 for all that. Congratulations. You must be some fancy liquer!
IL
One administrative note on my recent trip.
I would be remiss if I didn't mention that I used Kivlet ([url]www.kivlet.com[/url]) for my apartment rental. The company is run by a British expat, Garry Pollard. He and his team provided a level of service and support that was outstanding. From English speaking drivers that were prompt and very helpful to his partner Sergei who helped with train tickets (an impossible task unless you speak Russian and have the patience of a saint) and mobile phones.
The apartments were exactly as advertised and in fact I took the second apartment I used sight unseen because of a flight change that kept me in Kiev an extra day. Garry took care of the arrangements via a few e-mails.
Based upon the homework I did Kivlet's prices are a bit higher (and demoniated in Euro's) but in this case you get what you pay for and it was well worth the few extra dollars with this being my first trip to the city
Dear fulcks,
I am going to Kiev on 6-7 July.
Can you give me some easy suggestions?
What is RP?
I want to spend 100-150 Usd, no more if possibile.
Is it good to bring girls to hotel?
Thanks and have fun,
Lorenzo
Hi guys,
It would seem that GIA is jacking up their prices once again.
They now have 'normal' and 'VIP' models (I can't see the differece except for the price) and I've noticed they've started charging alot more for the nice little extra's like BBBJ and CIM, CIF, COB.
For a BBBJ you pay $10 extra and for BBBJ, CIM, COB another $20 extra.
Obviously GIA is pushing their marketing engine very hard with frequent emails, special 'bargain' deals, etc,. The danger is of course that they, like so many others, are pricing themselves out of the market.
Hope GIA will keep this in mind and keep their prices stable.
Just my 2 cents.
GIA is really pricing itself out of the market.
Before my trip I got a price list by mail.
On ordering they told me prices were raised.
Also things agreed upon with girls were easily broken.
I wouldn't recommend the agency.
Pictures of the girls are much better then in reality.
[QUOTE=BBBJ]Hi guys,
It would seem that GIA is jacking up their prices once again.
They now have 'normal' and 'VIP' models (I can't see the differece except for the price) and I've noticed they've started charging alot more for the nice little extra's like BBBJ and CIM, CIF, COB.
For a BBBJ you pay $10 extra and for BBBJ, CIM, COB another $20 extra.
Obviously GIA is pushing their marketing engine very hard with frequent emails, special 'bargain' deals, etc,. The danger is of course that they, like so many others, are pricing themselves out of the market.
Hope GIA will keep this in mind and keep their prices stable.
Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]
One of the girls of GIA that came to me had some warts on her upperlip :-*(
Gia priced themselfes out of my market when the prices were more then 20 usd. Never use them again
I will be in Kiev next thursday first time for a short business trip. My firm has booked Premier Palace hotel for 2 nights and I cannot change it. Is it possible anyway to bring girls there without too many troubles? Is there anyone that would enjoy some mongering/clubbing together?
Good time to everybody
Gia is certainly going the wrong way for us mongers nowadays.
They used to be the best option for people who did not have the time or inclination at points to leave their Hotel room or apartment. There has been many a night I have just thought I will take the easy option and give them a call.
I see that one of their girls "Eliza" used to call herself Yula on the website. She is a top shag and top shelf service but the prices that they are charging for her now is getting ridiculous, both they and Kiev beauties are pricing themselves out of the sensible man's market.
They have never had the best looking girls but the most reliable and honest system, I wonder if this will change to?
I’m just planning a week in Kiev so I get in contact with Diana Voronko, this is the e-mail saved name, from Gia…
As usual no problems and so, but yesterday when I going on [url]www.gia.com.ua[/url] I was just redirected to a porn site… I tried several times, and of course was pissed, today it’s working normally again.
By the way the prices are high for short meetings, not so much for long ones (my opinion)… and most of all if you rented a flat, you are sure the girl will not just disappear with your belongings when you are sleeping! :(
Bye
IT
PS Usually I lock the door and hide the key when the girl is in the shower! ;)
Marta vip models is my taste and may be when I will be in Ods, I will go 1-2 days to Kiev, but no one girl in Gia provides anal???
Too bad!!! :)
p.s. Now I was redirected to bondanime,porn site of cartoons..
Glad I'm not the only one that feels GIA is starting to price itself out of the market.
It's totally amazing to see how Ukrainian greed is killing their competitive edge.
My company does quite some business with the Ukraine, and for the same reasons that we pulled out of Moscow 2 years ago, we are seriously considering doing the same with Kiev. It's simply not worth it anymore.
What these countries seem to forget is that it's mainly their cheap labor/goods that makes it attractive for foreign companies to do business here ...NOT because the Ukranians are such charming, friendly and trusting people.
The same goes for GIA. If you ask me, GIA became popular (and not to forget successful) for offering good service against an attractive price. For this reason ONLY do mongers like us make frequent use of their services.
Their girls are nice, but definitely have no pussy of gold (not even silver!). So if they want to grow their existing customer base, they should try to increase the quality of their girls instead of their prices.
I know for a fact that the people from GIA read this board, so I hope these messages will bring their feet a little bit closer to the ground.
If I want to have sex with an average looking and overpriced girl, I'll call one of the agencies in my own country.
Tonit66. No problem bringing girls into the Premier Palace but you have to register them. No fee just a formality and no shit from the staff. Mind you at 550 Euros a night you should be allowed to bring in a donkey, if you wish.
Most river palace girls have been in Premier Palace and know the routine.
Its a world class hotel and I have stayed there many times but use Radisson now because the price is hard to justify.
Thank you Jatlagged. I will bear in mind, hope that donkey can come even if I enjoy a corporate rate of 300 EUR.
Anybody to join for hunting (girls, not donkey of course)?
This is also some world class talent usually hanging out at the hotel bar. ;)
I haven't posted in awhile, but I am in Kiev now. River Palace is still good, but there a couple of girls here runnings scams now. One in particular is named Olga / Alexandra -- short, dark hair. She likes to get the money up front (I know, I know, I was drunk) then come up with some excuse to leave abruptly. Anyhoo, lesson learned, but be alert. Cheers.
SR
[QUOTE=BBBJ]Glad I'm not the only one that feels GIA is starting to price itself out of the market.
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Its all about supply and demand. Actually they´d be pretty stupid not to raise prices, as long as they see it has little or no negative effect on demand, so what they are doing is simply maximizing profits, can´t blame them. The problem is there´s simply too much crazy money out there. I was dating a student who works for Kievbeauties, she only gets 50 percent of the cash for herself, but is still making 5 to 10 K every month! On my last evening in Kiev I was waiting for her, we had planned to visit a restaurant. She called me and told me to pick her up at Premier Palace. When I arrived I asked her what that was all about. Her answer: some crazy American had just payed her 500 dollars for a short visit, they didn´t even have sex, they only talked and drank whiskey for about an hour!
No wonder prices are going up...
About Kievbeauties: she´ll hate me for writing this, but it´s not really a big secret, is it?
-none of the pics are real, even the pics that show faces are fake.
-rates for the girls vary from 200 to 500 dollars for 2 hours. Don´t even think about paying 500 dollars for any girl! What might happen is you´ll be seeing the same girl you payed 200 dollars a day before or 300 dollars the week before. They will send you whoever is working that day and sort of fits the description of the girl you ordered. If you confront them with this fact they´ll just make up some silly excuse.
[QUOTE=Jetlagged]Tonit66. No problem bringing girls into the Premier Palace but you have to register them. No fee just a formality and no shit from the staff. [/QUOTE]
Girls normally have to pay a small amount to security at Premier Palace, about 20 dollars.
It seems that Kiev, I’m not there since last year, has overtaken Moscow in crazy prices.
For 300 EUR (approx 380 USD) you can get much more in Moscow… Thinking it’s even a corporate rate! It should be much less. As far as I know the difference between corporate and rack rate are approx. 30-40 %, I’m often travelling at these rates too, specially in Northern Europe where you get a Club Room (best in hotel, just under the roof, 23rd floor) for approx. 95 Euro (I’m talking on the hotel in the Fair in Gothenburg, Gothia Towers, Sweden, a new, good, four star). The rack rate is approx 160.
At Sovietsky, in Moscow, for instance you get a suite (100 square meters!) for 375 Euro!
By the way an hotel with no girl problems, just handle over some Euros 10-15 or USD to the security, and they will check also the girl out so she do not steal anything… is the hotel MIR, surely not a world class hotel but for less than one Third you can get this... (and it's Rack Rate!)
[url]http://www.hotelmir.kiev.ua/rooms/109.html[/url]
Which still is nothing compared to Moscow… Kiev seems to be one of the most expensive cities in the world… 500 USD for a long night with Yana (at Gia)! You can get a photo model for 500 USD in Moscow!!!
Last time I was in Ukraine I was staying (with Mistery Tramp! :) ) in a less funny normal double room still unrenovated, but acceptable, I had no time to look at it.
The positive things of hotel Mir are:
Quiet, no working girls in the lobby, easily handed security, night club with a lot of girls just five metes from the door, near to the Fair Ground, if you like you can even walk (15 min)
Negative
Soviet standard, a corridor maid at every floor with keys, but if the security left you though she will say nothing, Poor Breakfast, Poor Restaurant and even worse bar, but there is a shop with all the drinks you need always open. No access to the metro or to the centre in walking distance.
IT
At keeping 50% of the take and making 5k-10k/month there must be a constant line outside her door. I doubt her story is true and if it was who would want to touch her with a 10' (2.7m) pole. I've notice a common ploy in Kiev is people who deal with and con Westerners like to pretend (and they do a good job) that these outlandish prices are 'normal'. I think too many men who arrive in Kiev allow hormones to take over their brain, penis and wallet. But hey, where else is the 45+ set to go? ;)
Anyone who is stupid enough (sorry all you guys who do it) to pay the room rates at Priemer Palace are stupid enough to pay a girl $500 for an hour of nothing - btw $500/hr will buy you a top notch escort in any western country. Some people just have more money then they know what to do with.
[QUOTE=Axel Springer] I was dating a student who works for Kievbeauties, she only gets 50 percent of the cash for herself, but is still making 5 to 10 K every month! On my last evening in Kiev I was waiting for her, we had planned to visit a restaurant. She called me and told me to pick her up at Premier Palace. When I arrived I asked her what that was all about. Her answer: some crazy American had just payed her 500 dollars for a short visit, they didn´t even have sex, they only talked and drank whiskey for about an hour!
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Crusier,
I must say I agree in most of the ways, if you see at Moscow section you will see some on my reports just on prices.
In the west a corporate rate for the Premier could be 150-180 (USD non Euro)
Same for the girls, now i do not remember where but I still saw some ads for 900 RUR (30 USD) hour in Kazan, If you go to province, small cities, it' half or even much less.
I have been both in the rural Ukraine, where you find nice naive girls, no pros, getting some more money, teens usually at 20-40 USD/hour (with Middleman) they perhaps get 10 or 15.
This is what it's real!
Last time i was in Kiev (2005) we met some girls at the disco near the Central MArket, at the end we arrived in a restaurant and one of this girls was just begging to be fucked for the night for 50 USD, but we were all to drunk!
IT
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]At keeping 50% of the take and making 5k-10k/month there must be a constant line outside her door. I doubt her story is true and if it was who would want to touch her with a 10' (2.7m) pole. I've notice a common ploy in Kiev is people who deal with and con Westerners like to pretend (and they do a good job) that these outlandish prices are 'normal'. I think too many men who arrive in Kiev allow hormones to take over their brain, penis and wallet. But hey, where else is the 45+ set to go? ;)
Anyone who is stupid enough (sorry all you guys who do it) to pay the room rates at Priemer Palace are stupid enough to pay a girl $500 for an hour of nothing - btw $500/hr will buy you a top notch escort in any western country. Some people just have more money then they know what to do with.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]At keeping 50% of the take and making 5k-10k/month there must be a constant line outside her door. I doubt her story is true and if it was who would want to touch her with a 10' (2.7m) pole. I've notice a common ploy in Kiev is people who deal with and con Westerners like to pretend (and they do a good job) that these outlandish prices are 'normal'. I think too many men who arrive in Kiev allow hormones to take over their brain, penis and wallet. But hey, where else is the 45+ set to go? ;)
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I´ve known this girl for a year now and seen her lifestyle, she does make that much, even if you might have to deduct one or two K for pure bragging. I never give her any money, so I don´t see what benefit she could have from lying. I´m not saying that any girl can make that kind of money, very few have the talent, but some girls do have the skills and the looks to really screw you big style. She pockets 1000-1500 for 24 hours, many regular visitors take her for the weekend or even a couple of days. Just ad the occasional tips, and it quickly sums up to a couple of K working only the weekends and seeing maybe 4-6 guys if she´s lucky.
[QUOTE=It Travel]
By the way an hotel with no girl problems, just handle over some Euros 10-15 or USD to the security, and they will check also the girl out so she do not steal anything… is the hotel MIR, surely not a world class hotel but for less than one Third you can get this... (and it's Rack Rate!)
[url]http://www.hotelmir.kiev.ua/rooms/109.html[/url]
The positive things of hotel Mir are:
Quiet, no working girls in the lobby, easily handed security, night club with a lot of girls just five metes from the door, near to the Fair Ground, if you like you can even walk (15 min)
Negative
Soviet standard, a corridor maid at every floor with keys, but if the security left you though she will say nothing, Poor Breakfast, Poor Restaurant and even worse bar, but there is a shop with all the drinks you need always open. No access to the metro or to the centre in walking distance.
IT[/QUOTE]I was at the MIR a year ago and didn't think much of it then.
There were girls in the lobby every night and I did indulge in desperation, about $100USD which was certainly over-priced for the goods. She looked a lot better in her white leather boots and miniskirt than out of them!
There was a tiny strip club in the hotel complex, but I don't remember the talent - it could not have been any good if I ended up with the lobby girl!
But at least there would have been no surprises...
Some other guys got called in their rooms by girls, so the hotel is certainly set up for internal sales at least. In retrospect I should have tried the key girl on my floor, who was better looking by far than any of the pros!
The main problem with the MIR is that it is so far from downtown and the rest of the action. Plus cab drivers were constantly trying to overcharge us (English speakers) even after we knew and told them the correct fare.
It was my first trip to Kiev and, without having had the benefit of this forum, I was a babe in the woods and not able to take advantage of the obvious pleasures the city had to offer - but it sure whetted my appetite to return, better prepared!
GT
There are a few girls in Kiev who make that kind of money but they are the ones who have a sponsor. The sponsor is usually a married guy, perhaps in the Goverment, who gives them $3-4000 a month expecting exclusivity, and then at weekends when he's with his family, his beautiful young mistress does a little freelancing. In Kiev the name of the game is survival.
[QUOTE=Axel Springer]I´ve known this girl for a year now and seen her lifestyle, she does make that much, even if you might have to deduct one or two K for pure bragging. I never give her any money, so I don´t see what benefit she could have from lying. I´m not saying that any girl can make that kind of money, very few have the talent, but some girls do have the skills and the looks to really screw you big style. She pockets 1000-1500 for 24 hours, many regular visitors take her for the weekend or even a couple of days. Just ad the occasional tips, and it quickly sums up to a couple of K working only the weekends and seeing maybe 4-6 guys if she´s lucky.[/QUOTE]
If you are going to spend western rates on a girl in EE why bother leaving the west? I think a lot of guys don't realize what they have in their own backyard.
You can still find a 7+ to sponsor for 1-2k/month. 3-4k/month isn't survival in Kiev - it's survival in a top tier western city - in Kiev it is very good living. Perspective gentlemen!
I well know this, but the same is said on Izmailovo, it usually depends on the kind of room you have, we can say 1, 2, 3 and 4 stars....
I was saying thre in 2004 a week, (Fairgound in Walking distance) and as you I undersood the centrum is very far... (but I had a company driver!)
In my visit despite I never saw girls in the lobby (perhaps it's renovated now, thy where going on with some), but at the Night the girls were nice and young, at most 20-21. Laps and so on, not my syle, but some could be got on the room for a couple of hours for 100-150.
Instead I phoned an Agency (advertised on Kiev Post) and got the Mistery Tramp.
Only for knowing wich kind of room did you get... I got a really big one with office, and so on, just the taste was shit, nearly black tapestry!
IT
[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]I was at the MIR a year ago and didn't think much of it then.
There were girls in the lobby every night and I did indulge in desperation, about $100USD which was certainly over-priced for the goods. She looked a lot better in her white leather boots and miniskirt than out of them!
There was a tiny strip club in the hotel complex, but I don't remember the talent - it could not have been any good if I ended up with the lobby girl!
But at least there would have been no surprises...
Some other guys got called in their rooms by girls, so the hotel is certainly set up for internal sales at least. In retrospect I should have tried the key girl on my floor, who was better looking by far than any of the pros!
The main problem with the MIR is that it is so far from downtown and the rest of the action. Plus cab drivers were constantly trying to overcharge us (English speakers) even after we knew and told them the correct fare.
It was my first trip to Kiev and, without having had the benefit of this forum, I was a babe in the woods and not able to take advantage of the obvious pleasures the city had to offer - but it sure whetted my appetite to return, better prepared!
GT[/QUOTE]
Hi all,
I'll be back in Kiev this Saturday. Will probably do Art 112, Caribbean and shooters over the weekend if anyone is interested in a beer.
IL
When I wrote about girls being sponsored for $3,000 - $4000 a month I meant by wealthy Ukrainian guys not us western mongerers. It may seem like a lot of money but when you take into consideration the price of renting an apartment near the centre plus the monthly visits to the hairdresser/beauty salon and then food, utility bills including mobile phone charges, which these Ukrainian girls spend half their lifes on, and some of them have been given cars/jeeps you can see that it would be easy to spend that kind of money.
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]If you are going to spend western rates on a girl in EE why bother leaving the west? I think a lot of guys don't realize what they have in their own backyard.
You can still find a 7+ to sponsor for 1-2k/month. 3-4k/month isn't survival in Kiev - it's survival in a top tier western city - in Kiev it is very good living. Perspective gentlemen![/QUOTE]
I know the "going rate" in Odessa is circa 1,200 per month. I guy is paying 1,500 as he "pitched" too high. But he's happy with the arrangement. When he's not around, one of his mates keeps an eye on her to make sure she is behaving. No prizes for guessing how close that eye is.
It's an arrangement that is quite normal in Ukraine. See some of the dating sites for example. Many girls of course work for a living but there is a large percentage that would never consider doing so. They view their looks as their assets and I can't really argue with that. There's always a market for this.
IL
Some members sent me PM to ask what is done at massage salon “Rakuena” or “Bagira”.
Here massage means erotic massage using their naked body and oil and finish up with hand play. There are so many massage names on their websites. When you order massage, they will ask what kind of massage you want. But this is just for police undercover, I think. You don’t have to remember all of these names of massages. Just tell them how long you want. In Rakuena, 60 minutes costs 230g ($46), 90 minutes costs 260g ($52), and 120 minutes costs 310g ($62). Even more longer. 6 hours costs 800g ($160) and 12 hours costs 1500g ($300). If you want 2 girls or 3 girls together, you must pay double or triple. If you want the girls come to your place, they will charge 30g to 40g.
First, you will be guided to the waiting room, and girls available will come to the room and sit down in front of your nose. If you choose a girl or girls, they will ask which kind of massage you want. You can say just how long. Then, they will ask to take shower. In Rakuena, you should go shower alone because they don’t have shower in the room. In Bagira, you will shower with girl together.
After the shower, you lay down on the bed, then naked girl will massage on your back first. Using oil, from feet to neck. After this normal massage, she will start erotic part. Put oil on her body, and massage your back, hips, and legs using all of her body.
And she will ask you turn around. She will massage your front side using her body, and finish up using hand. You can touch her body softly. All of girls allow you to touch their tits and butts, but few girls allow their pussy. All of girls refuse fingering.
This places are very busy all the time. You must call them twice. First to ask when you can go there. And to ask to open door in the front of building.
[b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.[/blue]
I have trouble understanding why sponsorship cost 1,200 usd and an hourly rate is as high as 100 usd in such a poor country. I think the going hourly rate should be 25 to 30 usd and sponsorship perhaps 500 usd.
[QUOTE=Ballentine30]Some members sent me PM to ask what is done at massage salon “Rakuena” or “Bagira”.
. . . She will massage your front side using her body, and finish up using hand. . . . All of girls allow you to touch their tits and butts, but few girls allow their pussy. All of girls refuse fingering. [/QUOTE]
So this means: massage = NO SEX.
The girls will do no kissing, no BJ, no fuck, none of that kind.
Sorry, but to me that seems a waste of time.
[QUOTE=Lust 7]I have trouble understanding why sponsorship cost 1,200 usd and an hourly rate is as high as 100 usd in such a poor country. I think the going hourly rate should be 25 to 30 usd and sponsorship perhaps 500 usd.[/QUOTE]
Sorry to say, but for professional service Kiev is way to expensive. Enough other places that are much cheaper.
The going rate for an hour of power (6-8 range) in Kiev for the savvy and experienced is 50-80 USD.
Even I, the Kaiser of Kheap thinks 500 USD is too low for a monthly rate - a decent Soviet style apartment is around 150-400USD/month depending on location. If you are paying a girl 500USD a month to sponsor her you aren't the only one. ;) 1k works in Kiev, maybe 500 if you have her set up in your own love shack.
[QUOTE=Lust 7]I have trouble understanding why sponsorship cost 1,200 usd and an hourly rate is as high as 100 usd in such a poor country. I think the going hourly rate should be 25 to 30 usd and sponsorship perhaps 500 usd.[/QUOTE]
The more you give a girl - car, apartment, etc. The less actually $ you have to give her. Supply her with an apartment and car but keep it in your name - that is how you keep control. This and other tips will be included in my soon to be released book, 'How to keep a Ukrainian mistress, two girlfriends and a pet rock'.
You have it in reverse the local men who know the deal are much 'cheaper' then the whipped westerners. How do you think Ukrainian women got so submissive and pliable in the first place? If I was some local Mafia Oligarch I would be pissed at the western males who are screwing up a good thing and go on an according jihad. If they are spending lavishly on their mistress(s) they are just showing off - like owning a big black Hummer. If you can provide very well for your family and mistress you are indeed a man to be respected and admired. Welcome to the FSU and please stop fucking it up. ;)
[QUOTE=Tremayne]When I wrote about girls being sponsored for $3,000 - $4000 a month I meant by wealthy Ukrainian guys not us western mongerers. It may seem like a lot of money but when you take into consideration the price of renting an apartment near the centre plus the monthly visits to the hairdresser/beauty salon and then food, utility bills including mobile phone charges, which these Ukrainian girls spend half their lifes on, and some of them have been given cars/jeeps you can see that it would be easy to spend that kind of money.[/QUOTE]
Cruiser D, the next time you visit Decadence, Arena or Avalon take a good look at some of the jewellery the 8's and 9's are wearing. There is serious money being spent on these babes and it sure as hell isn't coming from an admiring American or English ex-pat.
I was having a coffee on Khreschatik a few days ago, the girl on the next table to me was around 21 or 22 years old, her left hand was holding the cup, on her wrist was a Piaget watch, diamond face, that's at least $10,000 right there.
The FSU mentality of treat em mean and keep em keen is like so much of that era, a thing of the past. Now the real stunners go to the highest bidder because these Ukrainian girls have learned their market value.
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]The more you give a girl - car, apartment, etc. The less actually $ you have to give her. Supply her with an apartment and car but keep it in your name - that is how you keep control. This and other tips will be included in my soon to be released book, 'How to keep a Ukrainian mistress, two girlfriends and a pet rock'.
You have it in reverse the local men who know the deal are much 'cheaper' then the whipped westerners. How do you think Ukrainian women got so submissive and pliable in the first place? If I was some local Mafia Oligarch I would be pissed at the western males who are screwing up a good thing and go on an according jihad. If they are spending lavishly on their mistress(s) they are just showing off - like owning a big black Hummer. If you can provide very well for your family and mistress you are indeed a man to be respected and admired. Welcome to the FSU and please stop fucking it up. ;)[/QUOTE]
"The FSU mentality of treat em mean and keep em keen is like so much of that era, a thing of the past. Now the real stunners go to the highest bidder because these Ukrainian girls have learned their market value."
I tend to agree with Tremayne, at least in terms of "kept" girlfriends. At least in the major Ukrainian cities like Kiev or Odessa, the tide has turned in the favor of the girls as there seemingly arent enough true top drawer girls to keep up with the demand of the local rich boys. New talent usually comes from smaller Ukrainian towns as much of the local Kiev talent has been drained. I am often seeing girls in the 6-7 category (at least face-wise, body is often a 8-9) getting money thrown at them. They quickly learn to milk the cash cow for all they can. After all, they know that after they've turned 27 or 28, their looks and market value plummet.
I think a lot of the rich Slavic men are getting played by the babes. Many of the rich Slavs are so rich they dont even notice... what´s $10,000 to a minigarch? But the mid and entry level guys are spending way too much on comparitively low-level grade C model chicks. It's both sad and funny.
Could very well be that rich westerners are part of the problem, at least in such fishbowl markets as Chisinau or Odessa. But in Kiev or Moscow, foreigners dont even make a dent and dont have access to much of the top level babes who are in circles that the vast majority of foreigners will never see or even really know exists. Most foreigners dont even know that a sponsorship system exists and wouldnt understand it if they did.
Foreigners also do ruin things like River Palace... but that is a place that more or less caters only to foreigners anyway. In hotels, the hotel pros are getting just as much from rich travelling Slavic businessmen as they are from Western business men.
Lust7:
"I have trouble understanding why sponsorship cost 1,200 usd and an hourly rate is as high as 100 usd in such a poor country. I think the going hourly rate should be 25 to 30 usd and sponsorship perhaps 500 usd."
Its supply and demand. Hourly rate is lower than $100, it averages about $50 for girls in the 6-8 category in UKR... but sponsorship is a different ballgame and starts at $1000-1500 for a girl in the 7-8 category and goes up to as much as $5000+ for top drawer girls (in Moscow about $3000-10000)... and that doesnt include gifts, trips etc. Sponsorship is a system that seems to work to the satisfaction of all parties. Gives rich guys access to pretty girls they'd never get based on their own looks and personality and gives poor but pretty girls a chance to break out of the shitty lifestyle that most of their countrypeople are stuck in. The only problem for us is that in fishbowl markets like Odessa or Chisinau, even average girls are trying to get in on the sponsorship game and their market value is inflated.
So we are all part of the problem... because we are ruled by our dicks and girls drag us around by them... :)
"Tremayne" I think "Cruiser D" is right. Girls are most spoiled in cities were most foreign tourists and bussinessmen come (Kiev and Odessa).
Have you ever been in hotel Premier Palace and seen the foreign businessmen throwing money at girls in the 6-7 category?
$300-$400 for being a few hours with a very, very normal looking girl.
Same you see in South America. Were are the highest prices there? Answer: in Rio at the Copacabana were all the US tourists are.
Question: were do you see the most expensive, spoiled women in the world?
Answer: back home in the USA.
Lets face it: we western men can't handle women :-(
I have to somewhat disagree with Dr S and Mr T. Even in a city like Kiev, the average westerner will only see about 30% of what the city has to offer. We all know there are different rates for native Russian speakers, tourist Russian speakers and people who go 'huh?' when someone says 'privet'. Sure there are Russian and Ukrainians who are in the process of stealing their countries blind who have more money then they know what to do with. But not only are some of these guys not interested in having a mistress or two, but I have to strongly disagree with Dr S. that the number of Ivans with buck far outnumber the 9+ girls. I believe the exact opposite is true. During my last trip to Ukraine - two months this winter I spent most of my non dating time with a westerner who had gone native - he was living on the left bank and was enrolled at a 2nd tier university. I ended up spending more time on the metro then I wanted to and I spent a lot of time in the 'other' Kiev that I actually enjoyed. Sure, the girls away from the city center may not all be wearing 10" skirts and 5" heels, but the amount of 7's, 8's and 9's roaming free is simply amazing. If you go to Arena, Avalon or Decadence looking for a mistress not only are you a fool's errand but your pool is extremely limited to girls that have already been there and are looking for the highest bidder. I know a girl who has a Swarovski encrusted Razr, a diamond faced watch and a wardrobe to rival any NYC player and I know she got it all from working western chumps - she won't date a guy if he has less then 10mil in the bank.
To say that the FSU attitudes toward women is a thing of the past is not only very untrue but it makes me want to call whichever embassy you are from and have your travel privileges to EE revoked. Basing your observations of life in Kiev from hanging out at RP, Arena et al and Kreschatyk is like basing life in the US by visiting Disneyland.
Not only is this true in the FSU but if you know how to play the game it is alive and well in any part of the world. Let's open up Cruiser D's US ledger for misc. expenses vis a via girls;
27 year old doctorate student 38d-24-34 5'6 116lbs 1800/month
20 year old 2nd generation Ukrainian college student 36d-24-34 5'8 125lbs 500/wkend
20 year 2nd generation Armenian 5'8 115lbs 36c-24-34 and her 19 year old American Irish/Italian friend 5'6 120lbs 34d-24-34 3000/month and shacked up at my pad
Now these are girls I sponsored in the last 3 years in Boston. All were long term about 6-12 months and exclusive. Just like $150-200/night apartments, when people start talking about 3-5k/month mistresses in Kiev I just start shaking my head. You don’t need to travel 5k miles to have fun or to be a chump.
cruiser d:
you may very well be right about the untapped talent and i agree that there are numeorus girls with excellent potential that have yet to be sponsored by anyone or "kept". these are the kind of girls who have never even been to a nightclub. i am also a bit odessa-biased in terms of ukraine, as odessa is home to the most money-corrupted women i have ever met... considerably more so than kiev women. my kiev experience varies considerably from my odessan experience, where i am right now. living local and meeting locals under normal circumstances is an excellent way to get lots of great contacts. average tourists will only have limited exposure to this world. my ee bases of operation are moscow and odessa. perhaps thats why i think moscow is the easiest place on the planet to score hot women for free... no strings attached. i am much more knowledgeable about moscow than kiev, i dont deny that.
nonetheless, the main point i disagree with is the assumption that the rise of prices is the sole fault of westerners blowing silly money on average chicks. i am sure we westerners contribute, but the main issue is supply and demand. girls (or their agents/pimps) can demand and get more cash for their time... so why wouldnt they ? everything is skyrocketing in price in ee, so why shouldnt sex get more expensive? why do hotel rooms that should cost $100 cost $450? why does a mojito in a top club cost 5% of the monthly wage for a first year teacher? why does the first year teacher earning $250/month have a $400 phone and $300 shoes? certainly not from her wages. why are the most exclusive expensive clubs in town aimed at locals and not at foreigners? because its the local money getting splashed around. westerners have a reputation among elite girls as being cheap tightwads! ask the pros who is more generous... they'll usually say its the locals. i am not talking about the guys who save up for 4 weeks to scrape together $50 for an entry-level pro... those guys are cheap. but at the "elite" level, $150+ in ukraine, its the locals who splash cash. if they can afford to blow $150 without flinching, whats $200, $300 or $500? they dont care. you certainly wont catch them haggling over $20 like many westerners do.
i contend that the local slavs are driving up the prices in a much more significant way then we are and are just as helpless stopping the price climb as we are. it is a well known fact that rich slavs throw their cash around and live as if there is no tomorrow. its great for the economy and great for the girls.
i also believe that moscow money is ruining ee and driving up prices for nearly everything everywhere from kiev to kaliningrad. i've seen it personally again and again.
there are pros that cater to foreigners and some are very adept at milking naive westerners... but that is still an insignificant aspect of the overall picture. look at any ***** site, 90% are in russian. that should tell you where the market is.
Update “Rakuena”
Now they opened another salon in somewhere far from center because they had only three rooms but many girls. So salon at center (Shovkovychna Str. 48, tel 568-29-47) has only five or six girls working everyday. New place (Povitroflots’kyi Prosp. 33/2, tel 233-03-75) has only four girls working.
Ira ( [url]http://www.rakuena.com/eng/personnel/ira/[/url] ), Karina ( [url]http://www.rakuena.com/eng/personnel/karina/[/url] ), Ilana ( [url]http://www.rakuena.com/eng/personnel/ilana/[/url] ), Katia ( [url]http://www.rakuena.com/eng/personnel/katia/[/url] ), Elena ( [url]http://www.rakuena.com/eng/personnel/elena/[/url] ), Lija ( [url]http://www.rakuena.com/eng/personnel/lija/[/url] ), Natasha ( [url]http://www.rakuena.com/eng/personnel/natasha/[/url] ), and some new girls who don’t have photos on their website work in the salon at Shovkovychna 48.
Veronika ( [url]http://www.rakuena.com/eng/personnel/veronica/[/url] ), Oksana ( [url]http://www.rakuena.com/eng/personnel/oksana/[/url] ), Vika ( [url]http://www.rakuena.com/eng/personnel/vika/[/url] ), and Kristina (no photos on web) work at new salon.
The best way is to call them before and ask who’s working in which place. You don’t have to call both places because same operator will answer for both phones.
Another way is to order girl to your place. They will send her to you regardless of her working place. But escort costs 30g ($6) to 40g ($8) more for taxi.
Spent 2 nights in Premier Palace on a short business trip to Kiev. Tremendously overpriced (paid by my local guest) but nobody disturbs you. As Jetlagged said, the price of a suite would allow you to bring a donkey in, if you wish. I Came with RP girls both nights and came one afternoon with a freebie to have sauna and some fun in the room and nobody stopped or asked for something, neither for a registration.
Several pros in the Premier lounge, among them also some stunning looking 9-10s. Had a very nice chat with a model-like, but after half an hour of sex appeal attack she asked for $1.000. I laughed of course and she said something like "you western men don't know how to value the beauty of the women near to you" and "This is a special price for you (lucky me!) just because you are very interesting and sexy and I want you very much... I can easily get more from any other Russian or US rich guy". I didn't reply and get out. Anyway when I was back from RP a couple of hours later she was still there alone.
Going back to the story in the right order.
Caught up in River Palace with Sluckery one hour after landing thu evening and took Lucya 25 y.o. petit-blonde for a $250 overnight at about 1pm. I was tired and didn't want to wait or to further negotiate. Great GFE with incredible BBBJ and several shots in the night. Got the phone number and she was available for dinner the day after, but things went differently.
The morning after I caught the opportunity to flirt with one of the secretaries working in the firm I was visiting. She was very friendly, interesting and cute, and, after some small chit-chats between the meetings, I outlined that this was my first time in Kiev with no friends (thinking in parallel how to avoid an offical dinner that night) and needed some guide. She accepted to show me some nice places in the evening and met up at about 6.30pm. Some walkaround in the center with a cofee stop, a sauna together in the Premier with first round of kissing, a fancy candle dinner and then back to the hotel suite. Suddenly the freezed shower! "Darling, what would you think about a woman that gives you everything immediately? .... I don't want you consider me an easy girl and our relationship must start based on respect" (alarm ringing everywhere!). I tried any kind of italian attack I know, but at the end gave up after tons of just kisses. Put in the agenda for the next time (will be back in couple of week), sit the cute girl in the taxi and then tried Arena where I found again Sluckery. No one there was really intriguing me so I moved to RP. Closed the deal very soon again and took a very tall 20 y.o. blonde called Olga or Oksana. Overnight rate was $150 at 3pm and I made the deal without any discussion. She did only CBJ, but the same it was a great GFE again, with a mix of hot and sweet that makes me crazy. A couple of sessions in the night and a good morning session the day after. We had some breakfast and some additional funny chatting and then I had to pack my things and go to airport at about midday. She came with the driver to say goodbye at Borispol and I felt obliged to buy her a parfum in the airport duty-free.
These ukrainian lady are great! I understand that is most about business, but listening to them when they tell you that you are the man of their dreams and looking their eyes when they sdeeply suck you is an experience that everybody should do.
Maybe things are not good like in the past, but for a newbie like me it was terrific anyway!
Dr S;
I agree with what you say with one or two comments. Without a doubt the western sexpat for the most part is a cheap mofo. There are not too many western high rollers roaming around Kiev. I know from my extended circle of associates and friends there is only one I would call a money splasher. 95% of the westerns I know are just well off. With more then a few being ummm, (cough..cough) cheap millionaires.
But I think you are also over estimating the whale population in Kiev. From my observations I would say 5% of the male population of an upscale club or 50% in an upscale restaurant is packing the type of cash to make a gold diggers heart flutter. Of course this is excluding the guys who go from home to the Rada to the mistress and back to home. Sure there are a lot of guys in Kiev with money but believe it or not everyone’s life revolves around girls. Some only care about money, some only power and geez, some only actually care about their family. ;) How many sexpats do you think are in Kiev now? 5k? How many locals and Russians with cash chasing tail 20k? How many 7’s, 8’s and 9’s looking to play? A lot more I am guessing.
I think the problem in Kiev has to do more with perception and information. Ask most people in Kiev why everything is so expensive and 90% of the time you will get a proud reply of, ‘because everyone wants to live in Kiev’. Why shouldn’t Kiev be as expensive as NYC, London or Paris (forgive my eurocentricness) – of course this generally comes from people who have never lived in first class or western cities. Kiev, is a nice city, I enjoy it and feel comfortable in it. But it doesn’t even come close to a quarter as matching even a provincial city such as Boston. Why does the Radisson in Kiev cost almost three times as much as the Radisson in Manhattan, Government corruption, price fixing and the current lack of accommodations to meet the demand. The number of 8’s and 9’s by far exceeds the demand of the guys with cash (local or otherwise) but the gap is nothing like it was 5 years ago.
Of course prices in Ukraine are going to rise, they are trying to go from being a 2nd class communist country to something more Western Europe. But going to NYC – London – Paris overnight, geez, what a headache.
Shopping? With a girl? Isn’t that the time you are supposed to spend with friends? Or with girl #2 while girl #1 is making herself happy with a pocket full of your cash?
Hopefully we will be able to hook up in Kiev sometime. It would be nice do discuss current dynamics in-between hitting on girls.
Cruiser D to bring this discussion to a close, and before you have my travel privileges to the EE revoked, may I just refer you to my original report, posted June 13th, in which I clearly stated, there are a few 8's and 9's who make that kind of money and they are sponsored. I was refering to an elite group of stunning looking girls who are high maintenance. It was in no way meant to reflect the general trend of life in Kiev. As for basing my views of life in Kiev around Arena et al I don't, it's just that I choose to spend my free time around the centre which happens to be where I live. I also choose never to cross the bridges over to the other side unless I'm on my way to the airport.The reason for that should be obvious to any one who has spent any time over on the left bank.
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]I have to somewhat disagree with Dr S and Mr T. Even in a city like Kiev, the average westerner will only see about 30% of what the city has to offer. We all know there are different rates for native Russian speakers, tourist Russian speakers and people who go 'huh?' when someone says 'privet'. Sure there are Russian and Ukrainians who are in the process of stealing their countries blind who have more money then they know what to do with. But not only are some of these guys not interested in having a mistress or two, but I have to strongly disagree with Dr S. that the number of Ivans with buck far outnumber the 9+ girls. I believe the exact opposite is true. During my last trip to Ukraine - two months this winter I spent most of my non dating time with a westerner who had gone native - he was living on the left bank and was enrolled at a 2nd tier university. I ended up spending more time on the metro then I wanted to and I spent a lot of time in the 'other' Kiev that I actually enjoyed. Sure, the girls away from the city center may not all be wearing 10" skirts and 5" heels, but the amount of 7's, 8's and 9's roaming free is simply amazing. If you go to Arena, Avalon or Decadence looking for a mistress not only are you a fool's errand but your pool is extremely limited to girls that have already been there and are looking for the highest bidder. I know a girl who has a Swarovski encrusted Razr, a diamond faced watch and a wardrobe to rival any NYC player and I know she got it all from working western chumps - she won't date a guy if he has less then 10mil in the bank.
To say that the FSU attitudes toward women is a thing of the past is not only very untrue but it makes me want to call whichever embassy you are from and have your travel privileges to EE revoked. Basing your observations of life in Kiev from hanging out at RP, Arena et al and Kreschatyk is like basing life in the US by visiting Disneyland.
Not only is this true in the FSU but if you know how to play the game it is alive and well in any part of the world. Let's open up Cruiser D's US ledger for misc. expenses vis a via girls;
27 year old doctorate student 38d-24-34 5'6 116lbs 1800/month
20 year old 2nd generation Ukrainian college student 36d-24-34 5'8 125lbs 500/wkend
20 year 2nd generation Armenian 5'8 115lbs 36c-24-34 and her 19 year old American Irish/Italian friend 5'6 120lbs 34d-24-34 3000/month and shacked up at my pad
Now these are girls I sponsored in the last 3 years in Boston. All were long term about 6-12 months and exclusive. Just like $150-200/night apartments, when people start talking about 3-5k/month mistresses in Kiev I just start shaking my head. You don’t need to travel 5k miles to have fun or to be a chump.[/QUOTE]
I read ahead before my passing through Kiev. I chose a gal from gia.com.ua. I chose Polina then realized she was "on sale" at the Hot Offers page on the site. Pretty funny: a sale on pussy, but who's complaining.
GIA has a short term apartment, and it is quite nice. There is a bathroom with shower, a kitchen with sitting area (couch), and a bedroom with a queen sized bed, nice set up.
I took a taxi to the apartment from the train station, and that took about 35 minutes. Taxis are cheap, though. I went into the apartment complex in what seemed to be the front of the building, but the actual entrance was in what looked like the back. There is an elevator, very slow. The room number was 115, but it does not go by floors. If I remember correctly, 115 was on the 16th floor.
Elena, not Polina, answered the door in blue jeans and glasses, very cute. Polina wasn't available. I asked if I could shower, and when I came out she was in red bra/panties and stockings. She is smoking from the front, but needs a few deep knee bends for the hinder, flabby. But, bend over it tightened to altogether agreeable degree. We shagged GFE style three times in three hours, not rushed. Elena is very enthusiastic.
The website says both Polina and Elena speak English, B.S. in Elena's case! She knows "yes" and "no." But she could understand what I was saying well enough.
Here is where I want to offer a caveat: I am not a cheap type of guy, but I don't liked to be dicked around. When I called the dispatcher (Diana), we agreed on Polina. Polina is on the special pussy sale too. The price is $190 for four hours, a good deal if you ask me. I had plans to shag and have a GFE with a tour of Kiev in four hour's time. Elena, it turns out, was also the same price. When I arrived, the deal was changed to $180 for three hours and a different price on the apartment. I was disappointed from the financial side, but I was even more disappointed that I didn't a chance for an outing. Petty maybe, but it's worth your being cautious in the case the more games begin.
[QUOTE=Lust 7]I have trouble understanding why sponsorship cost 1,200 usd and an hourly rate is as high as 100 usd in such a poor country. I think the going hourly rate should be 25 to 30 usd and sponsorship perhaps 500 usd.[/QUOTE]25-30 might be about right. Ukraine's got to be poorer than Latvia or Poland but prices in Latvia/Poland still start at $35/40, usually non-English speakers, English speakers start at $45/50 and they usually have to be pretty stunning to get over $65 unless they're working the hotel lobbys. In Poland they're mostly independent too. They usually share an apartment with other girls, but that means they have expenses too, which you don't have if you're spending your time in a mongerer's apartment. If, as reports here say, girls may only get $30/40 out of $100 that's being paid out, how come the part-timers are looking for so much? Guess there must be too many expats on fat-cat salaries with generous hearts ).
Lust 7 and Dogend,
You both state that the going hourly rate in Kiev should be 25 to 30 usd. May I ask you on which basis you say that?
More precisely, when was it the last time you were in Kiev? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have the impression that both of you have never been in Kiev recently (if you have ever been) and all this is just wishful thinking. This board is for sharing actual experience, not for speculation out of the blue.
Jim
I just added something on sponsoring in the Moscow section.
Of course it has to do with Moscow, but I think mentality and system and even prices are not so different (lower in Kiev in any case, but the choiche in Moscow is enormous).
Let me know your comments.
IT
The basis for my pricing is this:
1) The last time I was in Ukraine was last week, however, Kiev, 2 years ago. In Kiev, I could always negotiate 30 dollars, but that was 2 years ago. In Warsaw, another eastern capital city, you can pay between 25 and 50 dollars, if you are not going for internet girls that have ridiculous prices.
2) Ukraine is very poor. The poorest country in Europe. I have traveled all over Ukraine on my own many times, not staying in hotels etc, but villages. The villages I have gone to do not have water, except for a well. I know for various reasons how truly poor it is. The rates which the girls ask for in Kiev for a day or even an hour is what people make in a month and they all laugh at how much they charged the western business men. I just refuse to compromise and will not pay more.
Further in my experience there is not correlation between cost and quality, perhaps a slight inverse correlation.
A key factor is how much of the language you can speak and how much they size you up for. That is what hotel you stay in and what you dress like. If you go to a local agency or find some girl you meet and know some Russian or better yet Ukrainian and negotiate hard and charm them, you will get what you want, if you are lucky. If you are very good with the language and you know how to charm then this goes a long way.
[QUOTE=GandJim]Lust 7 and Dogend,
You both state that the going hourly rate in Kiev should be 25 to 30 usd. May I ask you on which basis you say that?
More precisely, when was it the last time you were in Kiev? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have the impression that both of you have never been in Kiev recently (if you have ever been) and all this is just wishful thinking. This board is for sharing actual experience, not for speculation out of the blue.
Jim[/QUOTE]
Boys, if you don't know the prices , don't guess!
The prices as of 3 months ago were
For local outcall escort that either send you a carful or you go to an aprtment to choose is 60 dollars for the hour then 30 every hour after that.
Obviously more for the western orientated ones such as Kiev Beauties and Gia.
For nightclubs depending on which one is minimum 200 for a short time with bargining skills required.
And RP is just the same( starting price), you have to try hard to bargin and be prepared to walk away quite frequently. The girls are getting greedier or just more western.
They might be poor but sure aim for the stars.
Alpha
You can still pull girls out of RP for $100. During my last trip I had a 7+ and an 8 quote me $150 for an hour - I passed. Most girls seem to be starting out at $300 now, what a joke. But you are right, you have to do a lot of talking to get a decent price. Ah, what happened to the days when you could tap a girl on the shoulder, say '150 -lets go' and leave with her. And Dr S says I'm not a romantic...
As the girls say, 'I am looking for a man not greedy, for a time not forgotten'. ;)
[QUOTE=Alphamale]Boys, if you don't know the prices , don't guess!
For nightclubs depending on which one is minimum 200 for a short time with bargining skills required.
And RP is just the same( starting price), you have to try hard to bargin and be prepared to walk away quite frequently. The girls are getting greedier or just more western.
Alpha[/QUOTE]
Things have changed a bit in Kiev. You can get some really hot girls on Russian websites for $60/hr. I assume the $30/hr rate you used to get used to be far far from the center?
I am curious, do you think being very well dressed helps or hinders?
[QUOTE=Lust 7]The basis for my pricing is this:
A key factor is how much of the language you can speak and how much they size you up for. That is what hotel you stay in and what you dress like. If you go to a local agency or find some girl you meet and know some Russian or better yet Ukrainian and negotiate hard and charm them, you will get what you want, if you are lucky. If you are very good with the language and you know how to charm then this goes a long way.[/QUOTE]
Your right I did not go to the center for paid action. So this was a factor. And ...I check my pastport it was winter a couple of years ago so perhaps not as many tourists. And I shoped arround. I often walked away from girls that wanted more so my total numbers for the trip were not that high, but the ones I did get were at a lesser price. If you are meeting girls on the street being well dressed helps, "Clothes make the man". But in a walk in agency it does not matter, they often have a menu type price list in Russian and poor English. If you call an agency, what hotel you stay at does matter.
I think If I went back to Kiev today I could not get 30 usd from what I read but maybe I could get 50 usd or perhaps 40 usd. Whilst, in Warsaw I do not pay 200 pln nor even 150 pln, but wait until I can find someone for 100 pln (33 USD). Again it takes time. And I am a cheap guy.
I have been ripped off before many times, so all this comes with exprience.
The best are freebies but that is a lot of work.
I wish there was a way we could all stop this inflation prices for women, and fall of the us dollar.
[QUOTE=Lust 7]1) The last time I was in Ukraine was last week, however, Kiev, [b]2 years ago[/b].[red] That's a long time[/red]
2) Ukraine is very poor. The [b]poorest country in Europe[/b]. [red] I beg your pardon?[/red][/QUOTE]
That's what I thought, 2 years ago, and that's a long time for developping countries. As Cruiser D says, things have changed in Kiev. Cost-of-living has increased significantly (gaz is the most obvious problem with the Gazprom issue, but everything else as well), and the girls need more money to pay their bills. Inflation rate is 10%-15% per annum officially but, for rent and utilities, it's much more than that.
Ukraine is not the poorest country in Europe (and I wouldn't ask you when was the last time you visited each and every country in Europe ;)). Doctor_Skank already mentionned it, Russian money is heavily invested, but also more Western money since Yuchenko won the elections. Speculative money is injected into the country betting on the fact that Ukraine will be the next Eldorado. This is not the place for this kind of debate, but some businesses invest only in countries outside of the EU. The Group I'm working for already pulled out of Hungaria, and will do so in the Czech Republic soon, and you can see that their economy start facing problems with investors taking their profits and not reinvesting it in the country but in new ones like .... Ukraine.
My Group has been investing in Ukraine for 4-5 years and I go there once or twice a year, but we are slowing down now because prices and salaries are getting ridiculous. Now, I'm involved mainly with Belarus, they are poorer than Ukraine. I've been to Albania and Poland recently. Albania is clearly poorer, Poland is also poorer in my opinion (we pay lower salaries in Poland than in Ukraine).
I've not been to Moldova, but colleagues have been. They say it's clearly poorer than Ukraine. I've not been back to Bulgaria for many years so don't know how they progressed, but they were far from a wealthy country.
Jim
[QUOTE=GandJim]I've been to Albania and Poland recently. Albania is clearly poorer, Poland is also poorer in my opinion (we pay lower salaries in Poland than in Ukraine).
Jim[/QUOTE]
GDP Poland (PPP): $ 13,300 (2005 est.)
Population below poverty line: 17 %
GDP Ukraine (PPP): $ 7200 (2005 est.)
Population below poverty line: 29 %
PPP: purchasing power parity
[url]www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html[/url]
LOL, since when the CIA is a reference? They screwed up everything for years because their information is not reliable, don't they (and I'm not talking about Weapons of Mass Destruction in Irak and the like). They should be named CPA (Central Propaganda Agency) and not CIA.
Just kidding. More seriously, this board is for sharing actual experience, not for quoting whatever unverified and unreliable information one can pull out here and there on the web.
Statistics are what they are, an average (between Kiev and the most remote village of the country). It doesn't reflect the reality in Kiev.
Ukraine may be poorer than Poland overall (and it's a big "may"), but Kiev is more expensive [b]for me[/b] than Warsaw. How much did you pay for hotel in Warsaw and in Kiev? I pay more in Kiev, and my staff is paid more in Kiev. That's a fact, not statistics.
So if you have been to Warsaw and Kiev and have practical experience, I'll be pleased to hear from you. After all, the hotels and the staff in Kiev may be screwing me. If not, ...., as I said, it's just wishful thinking.
Jim
Hi all,
Arrived in Kiev on Saturday and had booked a girl from destiny.com for all night. $300 from 8pm until lunch the next day to include pretty much everything. She's a very attractive lady and is very interesting company.
After a couple of hours in my apartment, we had some sushi in Samurai 7 before heading down to Art 112. I am starting to like this place and tonight there was some exceptional talent. After a few martinis she was getting horny again and “wanted pussy” so we set out to find us a playmate. Between the 2 of us we chatted up about a dozen girls…………all selected by her as I felt it better that she should choose. Luck was not on her side because each girl either agreed to come home with me or with my date, not both! It was fun trying but she was getting hornier during this process so we headed over to Arena for a look.
It was after 3am by this point and Arena wasn’t very full. We couldn’t stay either as my “result” from Shooters 5 weeks before actually works there and I got “busted”. She asked me to call her on my next visit as Monday is her night off so I don’t seem to be in trouble! Couldn’t get away with that in any other country!
By now my date said she was “very wet” so we decided………………”River palace. Guaranteed” and headed there. We hooked up with Karina, I offered her $150 for the night but she held out for $250 while observing the clock and the remaining potential market. As we were asking for an “unusual” service we agreed on $200 for 3 hours and headed back to my apartment. What followed was so sensual that I thought I was now in heaven. 3 hours of every variation and position with some serious kissing between the 2 girls while I rested in between shots. I would recommend her to anyone who enjoys a good evening partying followed by some excellent sex.
AS per request I will only forward my dates info to posters.
I have edited this as some idiots have been cutting and pasting this report to her.
IL
[QUOTE=GandJim]
Ukraine may be poorer than Poland overall (and it's a big "may"), but Kiev is more expensive [b]for me[/b] than Warsaw. [/QUOTE]
Totally agree with you, no sense in arguing any further about this. I was simply irritated a bit by your previous post saying Poland in general is poorer than Ukraine.
New girl in GIA.
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"IRINA (speaks a little bit English):
1 hour $100, 2 hours $140, 3 hours $180, 4 hours $220, 6 hours $260,
8 hours $300, 10 hours $330, 12 hours $350, 1 day $450, 2 days $800,
3 days $1100.
Price including: classic sex, kissing, 69, masturbation, massage.
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IL
well, i haven't had a chance to report in awhile, so when i had a chance to visit kiev, i definitely took the opportunity. first thing i noticed upon arriving in kiev is the absolute abundance of beautiful women. i mean, just walking down the street or in a restaurant, they are everywhere, and dressed to kill.
after doing some research on the forum here, i went to tgi friday's for a less than impressive dinner, but did notice that there were quite a few attractive women around. the place seemed a little too family-oriented for me, and i just took a stroll around the kreshatyk before heading back to my apartment.
i decided to call gia agency, and after a couple of tries, was told that larisa was available (i was looking for someone who spoke some english). it took her a little longer than promised to get there, but at least diana, the agency contact called and let me know. i thought that the service so far, was good. larisa arrived, and i was quite amazed at how much taller she is than she looks on the site. i also would say that i think she looks more attractive in person.
she phoned in upon arrival, but didn't make any request for money up-front (again, another plus in the service department), despite me booking her for an overnight. after some initial conversation and a drink, we began kissing, and it was a complete gfe. we headed to the bedroom, where things were really comfortable, and after each session, we had a little shower and a nap. i managed to get three sessions in the evening, including anal, which she seemed quite receptive to.
in the morning, as i began waking, she noticed that i was aroused and went right into a bbbj with cim. after cleaning up (no swallow) she came back to bed and we snoozed again for awhile. i think she ended up staying a little later than she was supposed to and was very pleasant in the morning. all total, the damage was $300 usd for the evening, and i gave her a tip, which she initially refused, but i insisted she have. i would definitely say, one of the best p4p experiences that i have had. i would highly recommend larisa and gia agency, and believe that if you treat them right, for the most part, you get what you give (money aside).
last night i was pretty pooped, so just had a late dinner and walked about, again ogling like crazy! looking to head to the river palace possibly tonight and if any mongers want to meet up, drop me a pm.
i am definitely looking forward to a few more days here in kiev!
I was in Kiev and used kievbeauties:
I check the price I had got so :
100$-2 hours,
160$-4 hours,
200$-6 hours,
300$-up to 12 hours,
400$-24 hours,
And now the minimum is :
200$-two hours,
300$-four hours,
400$-six hours,
600$-up to 12 hours,
1000$-24 hours.
A big difference.
Now I don t know where to spend my holidays.
Two hours with Viola from Gia was about $150 this month. Not as cheap as your last years quote, but much better than what your paying this year. This is her picture from my apartment balcony.
[QUOTE=Zebulon1]I was in Kiev and used kievbeauties:
I check the price I had got so :
100$-2 hours,
160$-4 hours,
200$-6 hours,
300$-up to 12 hours,
400$-24 hours,
And now the minimum is :
200$-two hours,
300$-four hours,
400$-six hours,
600$-up to 12 hours,
1000$-24 hours.
A big difference.
Now I don t know where to spend my holidays.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=VinceVoyeur]you can try with her anal without condom.
[/QUOTE]
Bareback anal? You´re on highway to hell my friend...
Called Kiev Privat ([url]http://www.kievprivat.com/;[/url] also same link at [url]http://www.kievdosug.ru/[/url]) and after several choices not being available, one finally was - Sasha.
I was told by the dispatcher, that she would be at my apartment within 30 minutes, and that I would have to meet her downstairs on the street. I thought that was different than my experience with Gia, but not unreasonable.
After an hour and a half, I finally called again, and was told that she would be arriving in about 5-10 minutes. About 5-10 minutes later, I got a phone call saying that she was there. I went downstairs and a different girl was there with the driver, and she wanted the money up-front on the street! Now going back to some of the lessons that I learned from the mongering yodas on the Dubai forum, I NEVER give the money up-front. I thought that this was very important now, that I was standing in the street, with the wrong girl, and her driver!
So, I told her that I was not going to give the money in the street, and that I was a little upset that she was not the girl that I ordered. She asked if I still wanted to her, but had to give the money in the street. I respectfully declined and wished her a good night. It was at this point, that I realised that they also had the code to my apartment building, and my apt number!
I hightailed it back up to my place, hoping that nobody was following. I did get a call from the dispatcher asking me why I didn't take the girl, and I explained that the girl that I wanted did not show up and I was a little leery about giving money in the street up-front. I locked the door securely and listened for awhile...
All in all, I would say that Gia is still a better experience and way more professional. A sidebar to that is that I saw Larisa changed her name to Lika on the site and posted new photos...?
I had the similer situation with a different girl,but I paid her out on the street. All was fine and she gave me very good service (I forgot her name) .Some girls work this way I think the driver wants to be sure that she gets the money.
Cheers
Nice picture, makes me miss Kiev. Is that Baseina, looking up to Lesi Ukranki?
Cute girl, but a bit high when you can go across the street to an apartment and get one for $90 for two hours.
[QUOTE=Cyberspace]Two hours with Viola from Gia was about $150 this month. Not as cheap as your last years quote, but much better than what your paying this year. This is her picture from my apartment balcony.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you Cruiser.
Personally, I am not sure why this need to overpay the local ladies and agencies.
The proper locals rate right now is $60 per hour. I do not pay any more than that for any pro just simply on principle alone and there are many who are willing to accept this figure.
Even if the lady adds something for the fact that most mongers now are linguistically handicapped and need an English-speaking companion, the most anyone should pay is $75 or less per hour.
Anything more than that just makes the local pricing structure just crazy.
Unfortunately, most guys once they get here think more with what is between their legs than what is between the ears.
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Nice picture, makes me miss Kiev. Is that Baseina, looking up to Lesi Ukranki?
Cute girl, but a bit high when you can go across the street to an apartment and get one for $90 for two hours.[/QUOTE]
My rental agency tells me my address was Basseyinaya. Not knowing Cyrillic, I couldn't confirm from street signs, bur it appeared to be accurate enough for Gia girls to find my place. Can't confirm other streets from my apartment view, but I can tell you I was only a block away from Mandarin Plaza and the Arena.
So now that I've publicly admitted my ignorance, could you tell us where the apartment accross the street is and which offers a rate of $90 for two hours?
Different spelling for the same name.
Ignorance or not, you are in Kiev now and I'm not, makes me jealous. ;) Just looking at that street that I've walked on a hundred times before make me wish I was there you lucky boy.
I will PM you with the info...
Uke - Don't be too hard on the guy. We all overpaid on our first or second trip there - well actually I didn't (cough cough). Atleast he's not going to Arena or RP and giving some girl 250-300 (US rates) for an hour. ;) Traveling Male used to pull some really hot girls (solid 8's) off the Russian sites for $40-60/hr.
[QUOTE=Cyberspace]My rental agency tells me my address was Basseyinaya. Not knowing Cyrillic, I couldn't confirm from street signs, bur it appeared to be accurate enough for Gia girls to find my place. Can't confirm other streets from my apartment view, but I can tell you I was only a block away from Mandarin Plaza and the Arena.
So now that I've publicly admitted my ignorance, could you tell us where the apartment accross the street is and which offers a rate of $90 for two hours?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Dude, you need to get off the wacky weed! Those fuckers
couldn't give a shit about you. Especially when you refused
to pay, they would ONLY think that you are a cheapo and
don't even HAVE any money.[/QUOTE]
Well, Bez, based on the level of organised crime here, one never knows, and I figured better safe than sorry...One just never knows the level of corruption going on here! I can only hope that they thought that way about me. Good thing I wasn't staying at the Premier Palace!
Had another good experience with Gia last night with Eliza.
Super girl, and actually showed up early! I had planned on going out to dinner and then spending the night with her, but she wouldn't leave for dinner without a pre-dinner snack!
A very hot girl, who speaks perfect English and is fantastic company. After three rounds before dinner, we had a great dinner at a restaurant in the park, which was then followed by another long round after dinner. I slept like a baby!
Eliza was fantastic and was a phenomenal GFE. GIA agency, while seeming to cost a little more, is really worth it in my opinion. I prefer to spend a longer time with the girls, so if you work out the price per hour, or even the price per action, it is a great deal!
Definitely enjoyed my trip to Kiev and could see how living here would be easy to have a permanent girlfriend with all the beauties here!
As someone who has been here a long time, you are very safe here unless you happen to involve yourself in the gas, oil, or other corrupt businesses or in politics. You are also not too safe if you try and steal away some local toughs or mafioso's girlfriend in some club or bar.
However, in your apartment, no matter who you may have rented it from, you are very safe.
Incidentally, just about everyone within a three block radius probably knows the door code for the local buildings anyway, including any burglars or other types that you should worry more than about the ladies standing with their drivers!
The area (off of Kreshatyk) seems nice and I don't get a bad feel for the place, other than the lobby of the apartment being pretty dingy and not lit at all. I thought it a bit odd, as the apartment is quite nice and renovated. I figure that nobody has ownership of the common area, or that the landlord of the building doesn't want to invest any money into it.
[QUOTE=Jack S]Had another good experience with Gia last night with Eliza.
Super girl, and actually showed up early! I had planned on going out to dinner and then spending the night with her, but she wouldn't leave for dinner without a pre-dinner snack!
A very hot girl, who speaks perfect English and is fantastic company. After three rounds before dinner, we had a great dinner at a restaurant in the park, which was then followed by another long round after dinner. I slept like a baby!
Eliza was fantastic and was a phenomenal GFE. GIA agency, while seeming to cost a little more, is really worth it in my opinion. I prefer to spend a longer time with the girls, so if you work out the price per hour, or even the price per action, it is a great deal!
Definitely enjoyed my trip to Kiev and could see how living here would be easy to have a permanent girlfriend with all the beauties here![/QUOTE]I believe Eliza is the same girl who used name Yula before. She spoke very good English and real GFE.
Hi Guys - can anyone recommend free websites for contacting non-pro girls in Eastern European/CIS countries?
Jack,
In almost all cases, the "owner" of the common areas such as the entrance and staircases is a state company called Zhek, which is a continuation of a Soviet era housing maintenance service.
They take care (supposedly and it is never done) of these indoor areas as well as the outdoor yards and areas plus garbage and other such services. It is to them that we pay gas and electric bills.
In fact, these indoor areas go from pretty bad to horrible and nightmarish in their maintenance while the apartments in the building could be super luxury.
It is a place of contrasts but you should never judge an apartment building by its common areas. They almost always suck but they are safe.
Once you have more experience in Kiev and other post-Soviet cities and their apartments, you will see that it is the same everywhere, from Minsk to Vladivostok.
[QUOTE=Jack S]
Well, based on the level of organised crime here, one never knows.
[/QUOTE]
The mafia are ALL about racketeering, protection, graft, political
corruption, trafficking contraband in and exporting women out.
They just aren't concerned with you tourists, you ain't shit to them.
They only crime bad guy who'd ever notice you would be un-organized
types, gypsy pickpockets at the train station, and if you're not white,
drunk skinheads.
[quote=jack s]i decided to call gia agency, and after a couple of tries, was told that larisa was available (i was looking for someone who spoke some english). it took her a little longer than promised to get there, but at least diana, the agency contact called and let me know. i thought that the service so far, was good. larisa arrived, and i was quite amazed at how much taller she is than she looks on the site. i also would say that i think she looks more attractive in person.
she phoned in upon arrival, but didn't make any request for money up-front (again, another plus in the service department), despite me booking her for an overnight. after some initial conversation and a drink, we began kissing, and it was a complete gfe. we headed to the bedroom, where things were really comfortable, and after each session, we had a little shower and a nap. i managed to get three sessions in the evening, including anal, which she seemed quite receptive to.
in the morning, as i began waking, she noticed that i was aroused and went right into a bbbj with cim. after cleaning up (no swallow) she came back to bed and we snoozed again for awhile. i think she ended up staying a little later than she was supposed to and was very pleasant in the morning. all total, the damage was $300 usd for the evening, and i gave her a tip, which she initially refused, but i insisted she have. i would definitely say, one of the best p4p experiences that i have had. i would highly recommend larisa and gia agency, and believe that if you treat them right, for the most part, you get what you give (money aside).
last night i was pretty pooped, so just had a late dinner and walked about, again ogling like crazy! looking to head to the river palace possibly tonight and if any mongers want to meet up, drop me a pm.
i am definitely looking forward to a few more days here in kiev![/quote]larisa changed her name to lika. lika on gia website is larisa.
From Kyiv Post:
Rising living costs place Kyiv high on list of expensive cities
by Yulianna Vilkos, Kyiv Post Staff Writer
Jun 28 2006,
Ukraine’s capital ranks as one of the 50 most expensive places to live in the world, coming in 21st on a list of 144 cities surveyed by Mercer Human Resource Consulting, a global leader for human resources and related financial advice.
In Mercer’s annual Worldwide Cost of Living survey, Kyiv has moved up from 54th to 21st place compared with last year’s survey, sharing its position with Rome and Vienna.
With a score of 89.8, Kyiv is just around 10 points away from New York, which represented the survey’s base city at 100 points. The Ukrainian capital was separated by just a little over 30 points from Moscow, which this year replaced Tokyo as the world’s most expensive city, with a score of 123.9, according to Mercer’s ranking.
Kyiv’s dramatic rise to the top of the international list is mainly due to the appreciation of the local currency, the hryvnia, against the U.S. dollar, and “general price increases,” Mercer’s press release said. Many other Eastern European cities, on the contrary, have dropped sharply in the ranking due to the devaluation of local currencies against the dollar, the release stated. For example, Prague has fallen 22 places to 50th place in the ranking.
Mercer’s survey measures the comparative cost of over 200 items in each city, including housing, transport, food, clothing, household goods and entertainment, and is aimed at helping multinational companies and governments determine compensation allowances for their expatriate employees.
Kyiv real estate prices has skyrocketed in recent years, as has the cost of living in general due to rising fuel costs and other changes that followed in the wake of the Orange Revolution. Another change under the administration of President Viktor Yushchenko is lighter visa restrictions for foreigner visiting Ukraine.
“We have seen significant shifts in the cost of living rankings over the past few years, reflecting a changing global market. For many companies, it can now be more expensive to send employees to work in Russia or Korea than places like Japan or Switzerland, which are often perceived to be more costly,” said Rebecca Powers, a senior consultant with Mercer’s international business.
According to Powers, more companies are now sending employees on expatriate assignments, so there is a greater need to keep pace with the cost of living changes.
Some 44 percent of multinational companies have reported an increase in the number of international assignments to and from locations other than their headquarters over the past two years, according to Mercer’s 2005/2006 International Assignments Survey. Much of the increase in the number of international assignments, the survey says, is due to the widespread use of short-term placements, which have become more prevalent over the past few years.
Moscow has climbed up to the leading position in the Cost of Living ranking from the fourth place it held last year, while Seoul and Tokyo hold second and third places respectively.
“Steep accommodation costs have contributed to Moscow’s high ranking, as the recent property boom has driven up rental prices for expatriates,” explained Anna Krotova, Mercer’s Geneva-based senior researcher.
London has dropped two places from last year and ranks fifth, according to the survey.
Krotova stressed, however, that “cities move in the ranking due to prices and currencies’ variations vs. New York […] therefore the position in the ranking is a relative indicator [of the cost or living].” Kyiv, for example, moved up by 33 positions from last year, but its index only went from 84.5 to 89.8, according to Krotova.
well irish lad,
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for the second night, i called lana's handler, inna, but her substiture v.d. was handling her emails. the only gal available at night was marina, nice looking from her photos but her english was very limited, as i couldn't communicate with her via sms very well. so we never hooked up. lana wasn't available, so perhaps next time in kiev.
Does anybody know of a website for Ukraine Train schedules from Kiev to other cities in Ukraine? I once had such a website but can't find it anymore!
Sorry guys, I dont want to make you boring with questions which are still answered, but i looked at the older pages and could not find something about this one:
[url]http://www.uarent.com/[/url]So is there anybody with good or bad experiences about this agency?
I will be in Kiev middle of July and have to know if I can trust them and their offers which are looking good at their webside.
Thanks a lot
[url]http://www.bahn.de[/url]
[QUOTE=sauce]Does anybody know of a website for Ukraine Train schedules from Kiev to other cities in Ukraine? I once had such a website but can't find it anymore![/QUOTE]
You can find all the timetables on [url]www.db.de[/url] (German railway timetable)... also in English.
It works also for Russia and all the EE.
IT
Living in Kiev isn't too expensive if you live on the left bank. However if you want to live a NYC lifestyle it can cost as much as being in NYC.
Long time Kiev travelers like Uke can give better insight on this. But since I've been travel to Kiev the grv - dollar exchange rate has pretty much remained the same. Around 5.5-5.0
Funny how the report seems to miss the real reason for skyrocketing costs in Kiev and Moscow - corruption, price fixing and government patronage monopolies as the countries become (cough,cough) more democratic.
The ruling elite of these two former Soviet countries have gone from oppressing via political and economic means to just oppression via economic - sounds like a recipe for success. Wake me when the real revolution starts. I doubt there are going to be German sound trucks playing pop tunes on Khreshatyck this time.
i've received numerous requests for [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s contact nbr. send me a pm if you want it.
yes she is a nice companion who can spend the whole day with you if you wish without losing interest and good conversationalist. you won't be embarrassed being in her company in public.
highly recommend for social and pleasure.
Just to echo Uke's comments about the common areas... This is indeed a problem throughout the FSU and no matter how nice the apartment, the entrance and hallways and courtyard can be terrible. I've never had a problem in any of them, but to a first-time visitor it can be shocking.
For instance, even though it is Zhack's responsibility, we many times will replace a light bulb in common stairways, only to go back the next day to find that the working bulb has been changed with a totally different non-operational light bulb. With this in mind, it should be expected that the rest of the building is rundown.
The only way around this situation is to own and control the entire building which is what we've done in Odessa with our new apartment complex. Of course, for the next few weeks, even we are still completing a few projects in the building which can keep our entrance a bit messy with the construction in progress... at least it is not noisy.
I noticed that the Radison has opened up a hotel in Kiev. I will be making my first trip to Kiev starting July 25 and was wondering if anyone knew if the Radison was date friendly. Otherwise I am thinking Hotel Dnipro. As it is my first trip I prefer a hotel (room service, concierge, safety, etc.) to an apartment despite the savings. Any info would be greatly appreciated. I promise daily good reports during the trip.
Kiev and Ukraine are nothing like bribe happy Russia. You won't be hassled and if you are just give them a little attitude and they will back off.
The advantages of staying in a apartment vs hotel far outweigh unlimited fluffy towels. Safety is not an issue. I don't think the word concierge is in the Ukrainian dictionary yet. And I've never heard of an apartment agency missing a pick up at the airport.
If you'd like I can pm you with some more information.
[QUOTE=Lego Maniac]I noticed that the Radison has opened up a hotel in Kiev. I will be making my first trip to Kiev starting July 25 and was wondering if anyone knew if the Radison was date friendly. Otherwise I am thinking Hotel Dnipro. As it is my first trip I prefer a hotel (room service, concierge, safety, etc.) to an apartment despite the savings. Any info would be greatly appreciated. I promise daily good reports during the trip.[/QUOTE]
Please don't go to Dnipro Hotel, this is bad joke. Only **stars, but in internet they wrote ****stars. When you want stay 30 min. By desk for Credit Card Bill, or when you want bad service. Then book Dnipro Hotel.
A regular client of mine recently booked a return Aerosvit flight between Odessa and Kiev for himself and his girlfriend. Cost for both tickets approx $400. However, if the Travel Agent was well informed he would have offered him tickets with the new operator for half the price.
Flight tickets for the Kiev-Odessa route have soared in price during the past 12 months. Aerosvit used to have a $35 each way ticket that was readily available if you booked 5 days in advance. Although technically they still have cheaper seats, these are virtually impossible to purchase as the price quoted is invariably $100 each way regardless of when you book.
The new service between Kiev and Odessa is operated by Donbas Aero. I have had no problem getting tickets the day before travel for $50 each way. A saving of $100 for the round trip. It is worth noting that there is another advantage of using this service. Flights are to Juliani, Kiev's second airport located on the outskirts of town. The taxi fare to the center is a mere 20 Hrivnas. Not the $20 charged from Borispil.
For those travelling to Odessa check out my advert in the Classifieds for great deals on apartments.
Does anyone know Rus Hotel in Kiev?
I will be there for a night. Are there pros in hotel?
Thanks
Lorenzo
I just returned from Kiev, where I spent the July 4 holiday weekend. I arrived Saturday morning and left Tuesday afternoon, using an award ticket on Delta's new nonstops between JFK and Borispol Airport in Kiev.
My too-brief visit was essentially perfect, mostly because I had the good sense to make my arrangements through Alex (ukrorloff@mail.ru), who has been recommended by others on this board. Alex is a real pro, 34 years old, speaks perfect English (but happy for tiny hints to improve it), totally knowledgeable about everything in Kiev (and beyond, too), has his own vehicle, knows where to find girls and has a terrific style. He's a good guide and friend. I had a great time with him and recommend him without any qualifications at all.
Alex met me at the airport and helped me select an apartment, which we had rented withoin about an hour of landing. I took a nap, and he met me a few hours later. After a lot of excellent sightseeing by car, I got down to mongering. Alex and I strolled all the right places but without much luck. We ended up at River Palace, where I quickly spotted two girls come in and grabbed them immediately. I liked the appearance of one, but her friend was actually much friendler and semed to speak better English, so I took her back to my apartment for a great 2 or 3 hours. Her name is Tanya, she's 27 and a music teacher. Blonde, reasonably thin. Quite uninhibited.
The next day we did heavy-duty sightseeing. In the evening, we met a couple of girls strolling and took them to dinner. I enjoyed one in particular and got to know her pretty well socially but not sexually. Too bad. Nice girl, good job, very attractive. I ended up with a semipro, age 19, brunette, fabulous body. Shorted me a bit on time, but no real complaint.
The next night, I met my friend from the previous day and spent some time with her but without the desired conclusion. Oh, well. Maybe next time! I decided to turn in early and flew back the next morning (today).
Kiev is a beautiful, interesting place, and with the right guide, you can have quite a good time in just a few days. But I'll be back.
Bruce
[QUOTE=Lorenzo Rome]Does anyone know Rus Hotel in Kiev?
I will be there for a night. Are there pros in hotel?
Rus hotel is a good "soviet style" hotel, small rooms, not very confortable, quality/price is bad. I was two or three years ago, in the evening there was inside about 5 pros in the cafe, not good quality, they didint look as pros, but was clear they were loking for paycompany. As far as I know they have very expensive price and not good service.
Better phone to GIA , ask for a girl, wait for her in the cafe, take something together and then enjoy in your room with her.
I am trying to figure out what to expect from the quality at River Palce. Using the girls at Gia agency (seems to be the most popular) as a measuring stick. Lets say the Gia escorts are on the 6-8 scale. What can a mongerer expect to find at River Palace? What is the perecentage that is 8 or higher?
Thanks
For all you guys looking for a guided p4p tour of sorts - or some American style service. A friend of mine is starting up an apartment rental agency. I have absolutely no stake or interests in this venture. He is just a good honest friend of mine who helped show me around Kiev when I was still new to it all.
I figure there are a lot of guys out there looking for curb to curb service. If anyone is interested pm me and I'll send you his contact information.
Lego - the girls at GIA as far as looks go are average at best.
I have not used any of Gia's girls, but based on their pictures, they are not exceptional by Ukrainian standards. The number and especially the percentage of really good-looking girls and women in Kiev far exceed what you would expect in the U.S., even in New York City, where I live. I was just astonished, and I've been to plenty of places all around the world. I can't recall ever seeing so many model-quality Caucasian women in one place. And they are reasonably receptive when approached.
Bruce
[QUOTE=Lego Maniac]I am trying to figure out what to expect from the quality at River Palce. Using the girls at Gia agency (seems to be the most popular) as a measuring stick. Lets say the Gia escorts are on the 6-8 scale. What can a mongerer expect to find at River Palace? What is the perecentage that is 8 or higher?
Thanks[/QUOTE]From 7 to 10. I would say 60 % is 8 or higher. And the price will be higher as well. For best selection come around midnight. Personally I prefer RP because you can talk to many different girls and choose the best one. What I don't like about RP is that lately almost everyone is only doing CBJ. I see that several GIA girls are offering BBBJ. Other things to consider is entrance fee, cost of taxi, drinks. There was one girl two weeks ago that only wanted to leave after she had a few drinks.
I spend one week in Kiev at the end of June. When you arrive at the airport, immediately after you exit the customs area you will be attacked by numerous taxi drivers. Luckily I had a person waiting for me but that was really annoying.
Apartment was not a problem, one bedroom can easily be found for $50-60, it has everything you need. The most important thing is alternate hot water supply because many areas are without hot water in the summer and it could be a problem. I tried couple dating sites but it wasn't going anywhere so I just decided to go to RP. I had been there before and I like that place. Because of the World Cup I was coming there around 10 p.m. and watched the game in the sports bar downstairs and then was going to the second floor. Many working girls were at the sports bar but I never talked to them there because I knew that selection upstairs would be much better.
There was always a lot of girls and selection was not a problem. Almost everyone started from $300 but I never paid more than $200. Once it was for an hour, because I really liked the girl but mostly it was for 2-3 hours or for the rest of the night. Some girls refused to charge less than $300 even at 4 a.m., they simply prefered to go home. I couldn't figure it out. Isn't it better to get $200 than to leave without nothing ? What I liked is that almost all girls can speak pretty good English and communication was not a problem.
The entrance fee actually went up while I was in Ukraine. It used to be 50 gr ($10), it became 60 gr ($12) for the weekend. Other things are still the same - Monday is free if you go on the weekend, lottery on Sunday at 2 a.m. etc.
The only other place I went ot was Arena but I just went with a friend, wasn't looking for any working girls. The entrance there is 100 gr ($20) and drinks were more expensive than RP.
Taxi is still a rip off. They charge at least 100 gr ($20) if you take it from RP. One girl gave me a helpful tip. You can actually call a special taxi service (phone # 059) and it will only cost 15 gr ($3) to get to Kreshatik from RP. You need to speak Russian to call that service so you need to ask the girl to call.
Just spent my first 4 days in Kiev. I stayed at the Premier Palace (booked by my client).
Went to River Palace twice and disagree with the previous comments here that it is run down, although if that is the fact, it must have been pretty decent before. Both nights that I was there it was overflowing with women, ranging anywhere from 6 to 10. The starting price is a fixed $300, but easily negotiated depending on the "market" or "time". Paid $200 on the first night -- which was OK, but the second night we nearly closed the place down and got a bargain-basement price of $100 with a 9 !! Imagine my luck finding a 9 sitting on a barstool waiting to go, so $100.00 it was that turned out to be the wildest 2 hours had in a long time.
The advantage of the RP is that you have a "live" choice to make rather than photographs that you do not trust and language skills unknown.
Be safe everybody !
Cheers
Do any of you guys know how to get a good value, western-style apartment near(ish) the centre for long term rental? Say, 6m to 1y?
One thing for sure you will learn about russian dyevs, they will always cut their nose to spite their face. When you try to knock them down in price, they always say no, or this is not a market place. They are the greediest people I ever dealt with. Skidka? No chance, dont matter that its 4am.
Look in one of the english rags in the classifieds for apartments rentals. They always seem to have the best prices.
Comments in general...
I would be hard pressed to say 60% of the girls in RP are 8 and above.
An interesting side note is that quite a few girls you see in RP during a Thursday night you will also bump into (pun intended) at Arena on Friday night.
Also, 95% of the time you always get a better deal calling a taxi service. But as far as I know you need to speak Rus or Ukrainian.
[QUOTE=Ash1001]Do any of you guys know how to get a good value, western-style apartment near(ish) the centre for long term rental? Say, 6m to 1y?[/QUOTE]
Diceman
As shocking as it may be to you, many if not all ladies here actually know their value. They do have a lot of reasons for not accepting each and every offer that may come their way.
Most mongers want to low ball as much as possible. That's just fine as long as you know that you will either end up with no one for the night or you may possibly end up with a 4.
The 8's and 9's are harder to hook. Believe it or not, here you actually have to pay some attention to them and make an attempt to get them to accept your offers. For the star-quality lady, they know what their value is and they can wait since someone will not only pay what they want but guess what, even more. I've seen it.
By the way, Diceman, don't YOU want to be paid as much as you think YOU are worth? How about if I hire you at $5 per hour, will you accept? Will YOU do something for less than the price you want? I doubt it so don't be knocking the ladies here for at least making sure that they know their value.
Besides, why should they walk out of RP at 4 AM with you or anyone else for less than their value when someone else will pay much more the next day?
Uke??! I thought we agreed 200+ was an insane rip off? Sure, some guy going up to a girl in RP and offering 50 is crazy, but 150 is more then reasonable.
But on the other hand I always agree that if someone wants to charge what the market will bear that is fine.
[QUOTE=Diceman]one thing for sure you will learn about russian dyevs, they will always cut there nose to spite there face. when you try to knock them down in price, they always say no, or this is not a market place.they are the greediest people I ever dealt with. skidka? no chance, dont matter that its 4am[/QUOTE]Yeah, that's true. I've learned that already. Looks like there's no chance for skidka. It's just it is really hard to understand why they are so stubborn sometimes.
Cruiser,
We do agree.
$200 for an hour is a rip off but $200 for the night, that is just fine!
The real problem with negotiations, be it in RP or any other place, is the definition of just how long that money is valid for. Most guys get the "quote" of money but never fully define the length of time involved. When she leaves after an hour or so, you've been screwed as well. I like to make sure that my money goes the longest possible time.
I have never paid $200 per hour here and never will.
There are so many escort agencies in Kiev, but GIA is the only one you can try.
Find your girl on their website, tell them your girls name. They are honest and serious.
Mark,
Forgive me for such skepticism but as your first post on ISG, your loud endorsement of GIA is highly suspicious. Could it be that you work for GIA?
The reason I say this is that you have not said anything even in this post about individual ladies you have met with, no critical or vital details other than that GIA is "honest and serious." We have nothing from you prior to this with which to judge this joyous pronouncement of yours.
Let's talk about GIA being honest. Why do they have a two tier price structure, one for locals and one for foreigners? That is inherently DISHONEST!
In addition, while photos of the ladies are "actual" they are very photoshopped. The photos are much better than the ladies in real life. Is that honest? We can argue about this one but it does fall on the dishonest side most of the time.
I agree that they are serious. They seriously want your money.
That all being said, GIA is actually the best last resort of anyone who has not had any luck in freebies or bad experiences elsewhere in town. You see what you will get (more or less) for a more or less "acceptable" price and you should more or less experience a good time.
As for you Mark, I think Victoria2005 in the Moscow forum may want to hire you to shill for her agency. Send her an email.
Hello,
I must agree with Ukes comments on this recent post from Mark.
I endorsed GIA a few times last year as a consequence of 4 experiences I had with them, all of them very good, but since then I have seen their prices continually rise for, in my opinion, no justifiable reason. Their latest prices range from $100 for the first hour for some of their girls up to $150 for others. Extras like OWO, CIM and Lesbian bump these figures up by another $10 to $30.
All nighters (12 hours) are from $350 to $500 with again additional costs for extras with the exception of their “star performer” Eliza who includes them in her price of $500. Big deal!
As previously noted, none of the girls does Anal anymore.
Kiev has so many other options but, either by laziness or ignorance they are not being sufficiently researched or reported about in this section of the forum.
Apart from the over 100 independent girls and several agencies that “advertise” through sites like [url]www.destiny.com.ua[/url] there are a few other agencies online where prices start at $60 for an hour and finish at $300 for the whole night with most of the girls being $200 All inclusive! Either the girl offers a certain service or she doesn’t.
Online agencies that are seldom if ever reported about are:-
[url]http://www.putany.net/[/url]
[url]http://www.top-models.com.ua/[/url]
[url]http://www.kievdosug.ru/[/url]
[url]http://www.kievescortangels.com/[/url]
[url]http://kievbeauties.kiev.ua/[/url]
[url]http://www.ero.kiev.ua/[/url]
[url]http://www.prostitutki.kiev.ua/[/url]
[url]http://www.kiev-x.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.sexkiev.ru/[/url]
This last one is where I got Ksenia from in May. Not the best I ever had but what great breasts!
Do any of us ever try them? If so, then why no reports either good or bad?
I really feel it’s time we put back in to this forum some of what we have got out of it and do 1 research report for every good contact that we find from here. If you compare the level of information in recent reports with those of 2 years ago it is obvious that there has been a huge amount of “slippage” with the exception of recent reports from Dr Skank and Rain City., both of which were in Odessa.
From a “freebie” point of view, Kiev, unlike Odessa for some, is the easiest place in the world to pull in my experience, but again all I have seen here of late is “ met a girl, got a kiss”. I doubt I'm the only one getting laid from here in Kiev.
In Kiev, all you have to do is turn up. In Odessa you need to know the game and play it better than they do. It’s that simple. There are some serious experts on this forum who have graciously imparted much of their knowledge and experience to us and are being seriously unrewarded in return.
Take for example Ifnot’s report “but the second night we nearly closed the place down and got a bargain-basement price of $100 with a 9 !! Imagine my luck finding a 9 sitting on a barstool waiting to go”……………….I am personally delighted that you got a 9 for $100 but could you please tell us her name? What she looks like? Any contact details? Her patch in RP????? Menu? Please give us a bone.
Curious12 writes “There was always a lot of girls and selection was not a problem. Almost everyone started from $300 but I never paid more than $200”. Well that’s great but I am curious too…………….who? Name? Menu?
I didn’t wish to mark my 100th post with a diatribe about “levels of reporting” but I would love to see this section of the forum return to the standard it was at 2 years ago.
Since my first trip to Dubai over 2 years ago I have benefited greatly form this forum and done my best to repay those posters who shared their experiences. I have also replied to over 200 PM’s to people asking for further information about some of the girls I have been with.
I will be in Kiev full time from the end of July and will continue to report any useful information that I gather but I put on notice anyone asking me by PM for phone numbers etc and then not reporting their own experiences will be named and shamed.
IL
Recently ago I was in the Ukrain, in Kiev. First time.
OK the Ukrain women do look great, and it is possible to get in touch with them, but they defenitely know what they are worth. About non-pros: I met a few free loaders and got some dates but all I did get was a little kiss and say goodbye.
I do agree with Irish Lad about Gia. I had a few good experiences with one of their girls (not anymore on their website), but they started rising pirces. First time $130 for 2 hours with CIM, a day later $150 for the same thing. When they tried doing that for a third time I cancelled a third date I had already made.
I also have been in RP. But I a not going to pay $200 for a girl. Sorry, but there are limits. I have the idea that too many guys are too soft on these girls. You don't need to have pity on them. Most make a very good living.
The problem I have with putting good advice (on contacts) on the internet (like Irish Lad suggests) is that it drives up prices.
I still am interested in the Ukrain, but I don't know if and how to go further.
Just recently found this awesome site! I've enjoyed MOST that I've read. So I will try to contribute.
Last night I was at Arena early - 6pm - and found this absolutely georgous 23 yr old. A definate 10 in the face-personality-smarts!! We talked for about 30 minutes and then left for what turned out to be an All-niter for $300. Small, petite and truely the BEST GFE I have ever experienced!
She told me she doesn't venture out often, but was window shopping K street and I guess she decided she needed cash to buy some items? LUCKY ME!
She has agreed to come again and I will definately welcome the 'date' !
If you want some more info I can help privately!
LifeSavour
Hello
The purpose of this forum I believed was to share advice on both good and bad contacts, price effects notwithstanding.
You recently PM'd me for the contact details of Ella in Odessa, presumably because of my favorable review of her. I have passed on her details to several people here and most of them have followed it up with their own reports. Your response to my rant in that report reiterates my point entirely.
I hope that if you see Ella when you visit Odessa in August, then you will share the news.
IL
Guys,
This is all she would let me do as far as pics! Very discreet!!
[QUOTE=Uke Boy]
Let's talk about GIA being honest. Why do they have a two tier price structure, one for locals and one for foreigners? That is inherently DISHONEST!
[/QUOTE]
Uke Boy, price discrimination has absolutely nothing to do with dishonesty. What they are doing is simply profit maximization. You see it all over the place, in just about any market with imperfect information or markets where arbitrage (re-selling) is not possible. From Gia´s point of view, they perceive two different market segments, the market for foreign customers and the market for russian speakers and they are simply maximizing their profit in each market. You could just as well call your local movie theater dishonest for selling exactly the same ticket at a discount for students or the airline that charged you a much higher price as a business traveler for basically the same service or the car manufacturer selling exactly the same model you bought at home for a 30 percent discount in southern europe, the list goes on and on, it´s a standard and routine pricing technique.
If reaction to each new report will be similar to yours nobody will be posting anything here :). And was it really much better here two years ago? Hard to say, I've always liked it after I registered 2 years ago (2 months after you - maybe it was so much better during those 2 months ?). I only have a few posts because I was mostly reading it before and because only now I had a chance to post something that I think will be useful for other members. I didn't just do a post counter by writing something really short and not needed. I also didn't ask very simple questions at the beginning and just prefered to search for something I needed. I don’t think I asked you anything via PM and I don’t think I will in the future although I find your reports interesting.
Here are more details for you and other members:
[url]www.destiny.com.ua[/url] is just a mirror of many other pages. All these web sites are the same. Here's more addresses:
[url]http://love.mail.ru/[/url]
[url]http://www.findlove.com.ua/[/url]
[url]http://love.com.ua/[/url]
[url]http://lovenet.com.ua/[/url]
[url]http://www.lovemy.com.ua/[/url]
[url]http://love.optima.ua/[/url]
[url]http://love.vitok.net/[/url]
[url]http://flirt.com.ua/[/url]
[url]http://love.rambler.ru/[/url]
I said in my report "I tried couple dating sites but it wasn't going anywhere".
Dating scene - a few girls from that site wanted to meet and go to the restaurant or go see a movie. I didn't go because I was there for one week and had some other things to do. I contacted two SP from that site. The response was “Приветик, мои услуги стоят 70у.е часик и 200у.е ночь!!! Все подробности по телефону Есть квартира в центре!!! – Hi, it will cost $70 per hour, $200 a night. Call me for details. I have an apartment in downtown.“
It is cheaper than RP but like I said in my report I prefer to see the girl first and find out exactly what she can do and how long she can stay. Also many pictures on these web sites can be changed with photoshop or it can be a picture taken from somewhere else. I also wanted to bring girls to my place. I’m not sure if it’s safe to go to their apartment.
More details about RP girls:
Everyone starts from $300. Could be even higher. They know how to negotiate and I've heard things like "I usually charge $400 but because I like you I will go with you for $300". "The new President promised us a better life but it is now even worse than before and everything is so expensive, that's why I can't charge you lower than $300" etc. Like I mentioned before some of them won't change their price (especially really good looking girls) even when it's 3 or 4 a.m. But many others will charge less. One girl said they always say $300 at the beginning because a lot of guys are paying that (they don't read this guide I guess).
The first one was on Friday night. I don’t remember the name (Marina ?, Inna ?, Alena ? too many girls I talked to) but she had short dark hair and the face looked like a singer Mandy Moore (a little older though). She was always wearing white skirt and white blouse and she was usually sitting alone near the dance floor. She was there every day for the week I visited the club. CBJ, Cowgirl, Mish, LK. $150 + she asked to pay for her taxi. She stayed for the rest of the night (we left RP at 2.30) and she was very nice.
Alla – semi-pro, I think she started recently. She is a student, comes there only a few times a month (that’s what she said and I haven’t seen her after that one time), $100 for 1.5 hours, long black curly hair, she was near the bar. CBJ, LK, cowgirl. She is a clockwatcher, left earlier than 1.5 hours because we finished and I was later told she went back right to RP. She probably wants to get more per night because she already paid an entrance fee.
Vika or Vita – very short height (1.55-1.58), blonde, usually stays in the sports bar until 1-2 a.m., then comes to the night club and is standing near the bar. CBJ, Mish, no kissing, but she had nice attitude. $200 for 2 hours.
A lot of the girls you see at RP are not from Kiev, they came from smaller cities to earn $$$ and they are renting their own apartments in the city. I didn’t ask any of SP about greek. All girls I talked to only wanted to do CBJ. YMMV, so you might get OWO if you can convince the girl or you’ve known her for a while.
More details about taxi. Like I said you need to speak Russian but mostly they are asking you same questions. Here's a summary:
Alo, sluzhba taksi - Hello, taxi service
Ja xochu zakazat taksi – I need a taxi
Vash nomer telefona ? - What's your phone number ?
1 -odin, 2-dva, 3-tri, 4-chetyre, 5-payt', 6-shest', 7-sem, 8-vosem, 9-deviat', 10-desyat'
Kuda podat mashinu, gde vy naxodites? - Where we should send the car ? Where are you located ?
If you're calling from River Palace tell them Dnepr subway station, club River Palace.
Kuda exat ? - Where you want to go ?
Mashina tam budet cherez desyat' minut - The car will be there in 10 minutes.
[b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.[/blue]
Hello
I have privately apologised to Fido Dido and do so publicly now if my comments on his report were over the top. I also do the same to you Curious12 if you feel offended too.
I still do feel however that "reserving" information about "good contacts" really goes against the whole idea of this forum and posts like that should indeed be challenged.
My initial MO was very similar to yours and I suppose it is as a result of the information I gleaned then from the forum that has made me so protective of the standards here. My comments about the 2 year slide are of course subjective but I feel that from my readings then I knew where to go, and who to look for. How much to pay,and how much not to pay. Where freebies hung out..............Chaikovksys for example. Art111 too. My first visit to shooters and I get a result. Without the forum I would never have heard of the place.
I personally feel the type of reports now seen are more of a "blog" variety as opposed to an informative input.
You are of course always welcome to PM for anything you wish to know, my threat to "name and shame" is of course for everybody elses benefit.....I already knew the information.
IL
[QUOTE=Delgado]Uke Boy, price discrimination has absolutely nothing to do with dishonesty. What they are doing is simply profit maximazition. You see it all over the place, in just about any market with imperfect information or markets where arbitrage (re-selling) is not possible. From Gia´s point of view, they perceive two different market segments, the market for foreign customers and the market for russian speakers and they are simply maximizing their profit in each market. You could just as well call your local movie theater dishonest for selling exactly the same ticket at a discount for students or the airline that charged you a much higher price as a business traveler for basically the same service or the car manufacturer selling exactly the same model you bought at home for a 30 percent discount in southern europe, the list goes on and on, it´s a standard and routine pricing technique.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, with all due respect, but I do not agree with you Delgado .
For an airline you can choose if you want to pay a much higher price as a business traveler. You have a choise.
As a consumer you can choose for selling exactly the same model car you bought at home for a 30 percent discount in southern europe. Personnaly I think importing it will cause you a lot of hassle, paperwork, money and the service will not be that good (why doesn't everybody in Northern Europ buy its car in the south?). But also here: you have a choise.
In the Ukrain you do not have that choise.
Let me give you an example how it can be handled. Rio:
when I go to Villa Mimosa (a part of town with girls for the locals) they charge me $R 25 (=$US 11) for a girl. Same as a local guy.
when I go to a high end therma (=brothel) they charge me $R 170 (=$US 80) for an evening of entertainment and a girl. Same as a local guy.
when I order an escort from the web I pay $R 100 (=$US 46). Same as a local guy.
When I buy a beer in Khreschatyk I pay the same an Ukrainian.
Why pay more for a girl?
In Kiev I got a few arguments:
First with a girl I picked up from a bar. We agreed upon $150 (with kissing and BBBJ). At my place she refused those both. So I cut the deal and send her away without paying.
Second with GIA. Before I went to Kiev I had gotten a price-list from GIA by e-mail. Upon ordering price had gone up to $130. A day later it was $150 (told to me upon arrival of the girl). I did cancel a third date that was already made.
I did hear on the news recently that Kiev is the 21th most expensive city in the world. No wonder if visitors start spending money like water.
Maybe some are willing to afford it, but it spoils the market for others.
I'm looking for a strip/lap dance club where basically after a couple of dances, tips and drinks you can negotiate to take the girl home. I'd expect it to be a little more pricey than RP but the idea of a girl dancing for you then coming home with you really turns me on :)
I've heard that Taboo in the Premier Palace hotel is very good. But you're probably talking serious $ there.
Doc Skank - any suggestions here? I know Moscow is *the* place for that sort of thing, but I can't believe Kiev doesn't have something too.
Kiev's placement on that list is subjective at best. And applies to business expats/travelers who have a company expense account and don't care how much they are being squeezed.
To weigh in on the post/not post discussion. I very rarely post any details in my public post. But I am sure quite a few people can tell you I am extremely helpful and detailed in private messages - and always willing to meet a fellow ISGer when in Kiev.
[QUOTE=Fido Dido]
I did hear on the news recently that Kiev is the 21th most expensive city in the world. No wonder if visitors start spending money like water.
Maybe some can afford it, but it spoils the market for others.[/QUOTE]
At most of the smaller clubs (inside casino's) you can take a girl home for $100. The downside is that there aren't continious shows at the smaller clubs. The usually wait until they have an audience before putting a show on.
I didn't know there was a strip club in PP - thanks for the info, I'll be sure to check it out on my next trip.
[QUOTE=Ash1001]
Doc Skank - any suggestions here? I know Moscow is *the* place for that sort of thing, but I can't believe Kiev doesn't have something too.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ash1001]I'm looking for a strip/lap dance club where basically after a couple of dances, tips and drinks you can negotiate to take the girl home. I'd expect it to be a little more pricey than RP but the idea of a girl dancing for you then coming home with you really turns me on :)
I've heard that Taboo in the Premier Palace hotel is very good. But you're probably talking serious $ there.
Doc Skank - any suggestions here? I know Moscow is *the* place for that sort of thing, but I can't believe Kiev doesn't have something too.[/QUOTE]
Ash1001: I have the following alternatives:[list][u]Etoile[/u] (Grand Cafe), Maydan Nezalezhnosty 2, B.Grinckenka. It is in a restaurant near Independance Square. In the evening after 8pm when you walk to the bar in the very very back of the building (pretty hidden away) you can ask for a show. Some 8 to 10 girls will dance topless for you alone. And while dancing you can touch/grab/test. Costs only 80 UAH for the whole show. Give the girls who do good dancing a tip: no more then one note of 5 UAH per girl. After the show you can take one or more girls with you. Costs $US 150 for 2 hours ([u]DO NOT PAY MORE![/u]). Also discuss what services you do want in advance. I took a girl from Etoille that turned out to be a bad performer. No kissing and no BBBJ although agreed upon before. Also her pussy was not shaved! So I cut the deal and did send her away without paying. I have heard rumours that a girl named Karina is very nice. Unfortunately she wasn't there when I visited.[/list][list][u]Playmate Lounge[/u] (Elite strip club), 82, Artema St. I think entrance is $US 20. There the girls will dance/strip for you topless. Also possible to talk to and negociate with the girls. I think prices there are pretty high. At least $US 200-300.[/list][list][u]Taboo[/u] (in Hotel Premier Palace), 5-7/29, blvd. T.Shevchenko.
Definately the most expensive of this list. Hotel Premier Palace is a very expensive hotel. Entrance was not a problem. Quality of the girls was maximum a 7. And I didn't see a strip-show. One of the girls I was talking to asked me for a drink of at least $US 20. Otherwise she would get problems with the manager. For me this place was a big deception. Seeing guys walking around with girls that were at a maximum a 6 or a 7 for which they payed at least $US 400. Disguisting!
By the way: do not mix up Taboo with TaTo. This last one is a disco way out of the center (6/11 Soffe Perovsky St.), where there are strip shows. I don't know if you can take girls from there.[/list]
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And hey, be careful with your money out there. Don't spend it too easy
Ash1001
Etoile is a very good deal and if staying in the city center it is easy access right by McDonalds. I have used it on every trip to Kiev usually my first night when to tired from traveling to do much hunting. It is $150 for 2 hours or $300 for all night and you must agree on the services you want in advance.
Good Luck and Happy Hunting!
Etoile looks like a good bet. I think I'll check it out.
Who's around this Saturday (15th July) in central Kiev?
[QUOTE=Just Do It]Ash1001
Etoile is a very good deal and if staying in the city center it is easy access right by McDonalds. [/QUOTE]
L'etoile is my favourite cafe in kiev, with a great terrace for spring-summer time. I consider it my office as far as I do all my working dates there. They have the best capuccino in Kiev, and a very strategic place.
Even if the manager have invited me several times to meet the striptease place ( very discrete, most clients doesnt know that exists), I felt shy to go alone to such place, but the girls use to be around, they are just average.
In any case dont take it as just a strip tease place, is one of the most nices cafes of Maidan. I really think that was a mistake of owners to put that show bussiness, in any case if somebody want to visit it, go downstairs to the cafe, and go along the small bar until the stairs in the end, and continue, there is nothing indicating what happens after the stairs.
Hello all,
Anyone able to check out these guys...........?
[url]http://www.intimkiev.com[/url]
The menu list is very extensive for some of the girls.
if you press 100% photo then thats the list of girls with "genuine" photos, verified so to speak. The link for that is
[url]http://www.intimkiev.com/index.php?type=100[/url]
Otherwise I'll do it in a few weeks when in Kiev.
IL
Thank Fido Dido for the info on stripclubs in kiev, I have being doing some research before I go in Sept this year and have found two other stripclubs called Talgen (its a Restaurant like L'etoile with a stripclub downstairs), 32a V. Vasil'kovs'ka and Miatniy Nosorog (Mint Rhinoceros), Chervonoarmiyska 111/113, any info on these two places would be much appreciated. If not I will report on them when I get back.
[QUOTE=Irish Lad]Hello all,
Anyone able to check out these guys?
[url]http://www.intimkiev.com[/url]
The menu list is very extensive for some of the girls.
if you press 100% photo then thats the list of girls with "genuine" photos, verified so to speak. The link for that is
[url]http://www.intimkiev.com/index.php?type=100[/url]
Otherwise I'll do it in a few weeks when in Kiev.
IL[/QUOTE]Hi,
I know this site, I think that this is the best site in Ukraine about Kiev girls. I am from Poland and as a diploma I often go to Kiev and always use this site to find with whom to rest and to have a fun, so it is very recommended by me.
Hi to all!
Unfortunately the wrong information is written about restaurant Etoile and it’s strip club tet-a-tet. The Strip is closed!!! And it is not sure if it will open again.
Restaurant Etoile has bin sold. It will close in autumn or winter for renovation and will maybe open under a new name. If there will be a strip is not sure.
As it looks now, for all workers of the restaurant it will be end of job. Also for the current manager, whom I will not mention by name! But for people who know him we can call him here the “Nice Lebanese”.
For me, personally, Etoile is also my home base for 4 years now. And it will be as long as it stays open. It is situated at the best place, it has good food for low prices and it is indeed the place for meet people for business or pleasure.
Poka Poka
[QUOTE=Ismael]Hi to all!
Unfortunately the wrong information is written about restaurant Etoile
Poka Poka[/QUOTE]
Glad to see we fully agree about L'etoile, great place, and I really think was a mistake to mix such cafe with strip bussiness. I feel sorry for the workers, specially for the manager u mention, and for a pretty waitress named Julia, allways smiling and with wonderful blue eyes. (nothing to see with flirt etc).
I have been using it as my bussiness office since 2002, and I think they call me Mr. capuccino LOL
Hi Nitrouzex
Does they speak any English? I can not speak any local language and will visit Kiev in few weeks time and need some company...
BR
John
[QUOTE=Nitrouzex]Hi,
I know this site, I think that this is the best site in Ukraine about Kiev girls. I am from Poland and as a diploma I often go to Kiev and always use this site to find with whom to rest and to have a fun, so it is very recommended by me.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bonbon John]Hi Nitrouzex
Does they speak any English? I can not speak any local language and will visit Kiev in few weeks time and need some company...
BR
John[/QUOTE]Hi Bonbon John!
Once I tried one pretty girl, during my call she understood that I am not ukrainian and tried to speak English with me and I can say that she speaks very well.
And also this is highly recommended girl, she is very beautifull, have great body and do a lot of pleasant things. It is hard to write about these feelings, because I don't have so much words for this, you just can try her and understand everything by yourself.
here is her dossier, there is her phone number:
[url]http://www.intimkiev.com/show.php?id=454[/url]
Good luck!
[QUOTE=Irish Lad]Hello all,
Anyone able to check out these guys?
[url]http://www.intimkiev.com[/url]
The menu list is very extensive for some of the girls.
if you press 100% photo then thats the list of girls with "genuine" photos, verified so to speak. The link for that is
[url]http://www.intimkiev.com/index.php?type=100[/url]
Otherwise I'll do it in a few weeks when in Kiev.
IL[/QUOTE]Hey Irish Lad,
Just curious how you heard of this intimkiev website?
I am wondering if it is similar to my notice of it. He is on another website saying he is a traveling business man needing information about local girls, but just by chance he can offer info on Kiev. Which of course is this intimkiev website. He only has two posts on either website, so it makes me suspicious if this isn't just an advertising campaign. Also in his posting he says greetings to all from poland, but funny thing he doesn't mention a website for polsih girls. hmmm
[QUOTE=Curious12]Yeah, that's true. I've learned that already. Looks like there's no chance for skidka. It's just it is really hard to understand why they are so stubborn sometimes.[/QUOTE]I can tell you - why should they make a skidka to you and 'work' for less if they catch someone else who is ready to pay the ful cost? Thet's the simple explanation. I lived in Ukraine for some time and not I seem to understand their logics ;)
[QUOTE=Uke Boy]Mark,
Forgive me for such skepticism but as your first post on ISG, your loud endorsement of GIA is highly suspicious. Could it be that you work for GIA?
The reason I say this is that you have not said anything even in this post about individual ladies you have met with, no critical or vital details other than that GIA is "honest and serious." We have nothing from you prior to this with which to judge this joyous pronouncement of yours.
Let's talk about GIA being honest. Why do they have a two tier price structure, one for locals and one for foreigners? That is inherently DISHONEST!
In addition, while photos of the ladies are "actual" they are very photoshopped. The photos are much better than the ladies in real life. Is that honest? We can argue about this one but it does fall on the dishonest side most of the time.
I agree that they are serious. They seriously want your money.
That all being said, GIA is actually the best last resort of anyone who has not had any luck in freebies or bad experiences elsewhere in town. You see what you will get (more or less) for a more or less "acceptable" price and you should more or less experience a good time.
As for you Mark, I think Victoria2005 in the Moscow forum may want to hire you to shill for her agency. Send her an email.[/QUOTE]By the way - I received their price list two days ago - the prices are now the same
[QUOTE=Uke Boy]Mark,
Forgive me for such skepticism but as your first post on ISG, your loud endorsement of GIA is highly suspicious. Could it be that you work for GIA?
The reason I say this is that you have not said anything even in this post about individual ladies you have met with, no critical or vital details other than that GIA is "honest and serious." We have nothing from you prior to this with which to judge this joyous pronouncement of yours.
Let's talk about GIA being honest. Why do they have a two tier price structure, one for locals and one for foreigners? That is inherently DISHONEST!
In addition, while photos of the ladies are "actual" they are very photoshopped. The photos are much better than the ladies in real life. Is that honest? We can argue about this one but it does fall on the dishonest side most of the time.
I agree that they are serious. They seriously want your money.
That all being said, GIA is actually the best last resort of anyone who has not had any luck in freebies or bad experiences elsewhere in town. You see what you will get (more or less) for a more or less "acceptable" price and you should more or less experience a good time.
As for you Mark, I think Victoria2005 in the Moscow forum may want to hire you to shill for her agency. Send her an email.[/QUOTE]By the way I received their pricelists two days ago - in both price list the price is the same, so you are wrong a bit.
[QUOTE=Delgado]Uke Boy, price discrimination has absolutely nothing to do with dishonesty. What they are doing is simply profit maximization. You see it all over the place, in just about any market with imperfect information or markets where arbitrage (re-selling) is not possible. From Gia´s point of view, they perceive two different market segments, the market for foreign customers and the market for russian speakers and they are simply maximizing their profit in each market. You could just as well call your local movie theater dishonest for selling exactly the same ticket at a discount for students or the airline that charged you a much higher price as a business traveler for basically the same service or the car manufacturer selling exactly the same model you bought at home for a 30 percent discount in southern europe, the list goes on and on, it´s a standard and routine pricing technique.[/QUOTE]I agree with Delgado - when I asked them in my letter about increasing prices the manager wrote me that it's because petrol was increased in price in Ukraine and taxi is more expensive for gals. Well, on the other hand I really heard they have something not very good with prices on oil products.
[QUOTE=Ash1001]I'm looking for a strip/lap dance club where basically after a couple of dances, tips and drinks you can negotiate to take the girl home. I'd expect it to be a little more pricey than RP but the idea of a girl dancing for you then coming home with you really turns me on :)
I've heard that Taboo in the Premier Palace hotel is very good. But you're probably talking serious $ there.
Doc Skank - any suggestions here? I know Moscow is *the* place for that sort of thing, but I can't believe Kiev doesn't have something too.[/QUOTE]People, please explain me about what RP is! I keep reading the topic but I can't get a clue about it :(
[QUOTE=Fido Dido]
I did hear on the news recently that Kiev is the 21th most expensive city in the world. No wonder if visitors start spending money like water.
Maybe some are willing to afford it, but it spoils the market for others.[/QUOTE]Fido Dido,
I've heard the same about Kiev, Moscow etc. But they say it's not because all the peopole in Kiev are extremely rich, but because realty is very much expensive (the same as in Moscow), but in Kiev I can drink a cup of coffee for less that $8 as in Moscow!! :)
[QUOTE=Irish Lad]Hello all,
Anyone able to check out these guys?
[url]http://www.intimkiev.com[/url]
The menu list is very extensive for some of the girls.
if you press 100% photo then thats the list of girls with "genuine" photos, verified so to speak. The link for that is
[url]http://www.intimkiev.com/index.php?type=100[/url]
Otherwise I'll do it in a few weeks when in Kiev.
IL[/QUOTE]I wouldn't trust all the pictures. I'm new at this forum but not new at the website surfing escort websites. I saw a lot of pictures which I've seen much earlier on another websites and girls each time have new name but picture is still the same. Can you believe that a girl called Rita on the first page who look at 10+ would charge $70 for an hour?! Come on, cheap price is very suspicious and directly means that completely another face (and body) will come to you after your order
Hello
I heard of these guys through [url]www.singles.ru[/url]
Quite a high percentage of the "profiles" there are in fact agencies although many are independents.......excluding the "genuine" profiles of course.
After a while one recognises the photos there from the various "agency websites" I listed a while back. You'll also get the standard "All details on telephone call 555 etc" replies, which confirms their agency status.
In this instance I received a website address in the reply.
I wrote to them asking them to confirm the accuracy of both the photos listed and the services listed because as I already said the list is "extensive".
I received a reply giving the link to the "genuine" photos and a yes to my question about the services.
I'll be happy to check them out in a few weeks, however, my no.1 choice is no longer listed and this girl did "EVERYTHING".
As to the follow up poster, I kept my powder dry considering my recent critical reports, but my view is that a 2 poster jumping in like that is a fairly obvious ad campaign.
IL
I share the thoughts of Irish Lad about the follow up poster (Nitro…..)!
RP = River Palace. This is a boat on the Dnepro River. On this boat you’ll find a nightclub, casino, restaurant and Ice salon. The night club is visited by many pro’s and rarely some non-pro’s.
The advantage of this place in comparison with a internetsite is that u can be 100% sure you get a wysiwyg (some old lotus123 term ;-)…..). The disadvantage (in my opinion) is that the prices are to high. And personally I don’t like negotiation for a price like being on a market buying some stuff. And as you can read on this forum many people still got f…..d up after negotiation because the price they paid was still 2 times higher then the normal p4p price in Kiev.
And speaking about pricing, I think $ 70,- for an hour is a normal price in Kiev! It is NOT cheap! And for this price you can get a 10! Of course everyone has his own opinion about how a 10 must look like :-)). Also the provided service should be taken into consideration. But for $ 70,- to $ 80,- you should be able to get a full-option 10 for one hour.
And I would always consider taking a girl for 2 hours or more, or for the whole night. One hour is three times nothing ;-)
The price for 2 hours is between $ 100,- and $ 150,- maximum. Between $ 80,- and $ 100,- is also possible but then it is rarely to get a 9 or a 10. Nighters are available between $ 200,- and $ 300,- (from 21:00 to 09:00 or 22:00 to 10:00)
Hi!
Very interesting thoughts about me. This is very pleasantly. I just can't understand what is the advantages to me making ad campaign to this site? I just react to the post about the site which I know and where I spent my free time, I just want to say that there are recommended girls on this site that are real as in theirs info, nothing else. I agree that if I was a starter of topic about this site and have on my count only 1 post - it should be an ad campaign, but it is not my mention of this site, it is was first mentioned by IL.
OK, this is not so important for me, bye!
Hello and Bye!
I’ll try them out to put this matter to rest.
[url]http://www.intimkiev.com/show.php?id=391[/url]
I’ll see her in 2 weeks and report.
IL
[QUOTE=Irish Lad]Hello and Bye!
I’ll try them out to put this matter to rest.
[url]http://www.intimkiev.com/show.php?id=391[/url]
I’ll see her in 2 weeks and report.
IL[/QUOTE]When I called [url]www.sexkiev.ru[/url], the operator said this site was old and told me try [url]www.kievintim.com[/url] . I think [url]www.intimkiev.com[/url] is Russian version of [url]www.kievintim.com[/url]
Anyway, I ordered one girl in photos on the web, and the operator said she would be my apartment in 40 minutes. After 30 minutes, a girl showed up, but totally different from the photos. Only hair color was same. I ordered Yana, but she said Vanessa.
I decided to try her for 1 hour, and paid $60. No kissing, no OWO, nothing GFE. I asked her French kiss. She said she would do if I extended one more hour. So I paid $40 more.
After kissing, she asked me $40 more if I wanted OWO. So I told her I would give after, but she insisted before.
Can you imagine how horrible to go to the wallet stopping shagging. Totally unGFE.
I tried another fake photos agency. Don’t even think about trying these sites.
[url]http://www.top-models.com.ua/[/url]
[url]http://www.kiev-x.com/[/url]
These two sites are same agency.
I picked a girl, Evgenia, and called the number on her page.
[url]http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=122[/url]
[url]http://www.kiev-x.com/girls/119/[/url]
A English speaking girl answered phone, and she said she is Evgenia. I asked to come to my apartment, but she told me she had very good apartment to come.
Her address was Dneprovskaya Naberejnaya 11A.
I took a taxi and went to her apartment. She was totally different from her photos. Only hair color was same.
Guys, don’t waste time. Stick the Gia, the only agency using real photos. Service is also guaranteed.
[b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.[/blue]
Hello all,
Thank you very much Ballentine30. Now we’re starting to get some quality feedback that will benefit us all.
I’ve requested admin to start a new thread entitled “Kiev escort agencies”.
So far we have current info on
[url]http://www.top-models.com.ua/[/url]
AKA Kiev-x—bad report
[url]http://www.kiev-x.com/[/url]
Bad report from Ballentine30
[url]http://www.sexkiev.ru/[/url]
Bad report from Ballentine30.
Bad report from Irish Lad
Here are some other agencies with little or no recent information.
[url]http://www.putany.net/[/url]
[url]http://www.kievdosug.ru/[/url]
[url]http://www.kievescortangels.com/[/url]
[url]http://kievbeauties.kiev.ua/[/url]
[url]http://www.prostitutki.kiev.ua/[/url]
[url]http://www.ero.kiev.ua/[/url]
And a recent “profile” from destiny.com
[url]http://www.vipsex.com.ua/[/url]
Any recent experiences on any of the above would be greatly appreciated. I’ll review 1 or 2 of them not already covered by the time I hit Kiev next week.
IL
Knowing the way business is done in Kiev in general I would be very hard put to be trusting of any online or telephone agency.
If you are an average bloke looking for a girl go to one of the many apartment line ups in Kiev - Call ahead to make sure they have a good selection and then pick the girl(s) you want.
If you are a high roller looking for some guaranteed model p4p talent go to Arena, the bar at Premier Palace or the Millennium strip club in the Dnipro Hotel.
To all of those in Kiev now, I am very jealous. I won't be back for a few months. ;)
[QUOTE=Ballentine30]When I called [url]www.sexkiev.ru[/url], the operator said this site was old and told me try [url]www.kievintim.com[/url] . I think [url]www.intimkiev.com[/url] is Russian version of [url]www.kievintim.com[/url]
Anyway, I ordered one girl in photos on the web, and the operator said she would be my apartment in 40 minutes. After 30 minutes, a girl showed up, but totally different from the photos. Only hair color was same. I ordered Yana, but she said Vanessa.
I decided to try her for 1 hour, and paid $60. No kissing, no OWO, nothing GFE. I asked her French kiss. She said she would do if I extended one more hour. So I paid $40 more.
After kissing, she asked me $40 more if I wanted OWO. So I told her I would give after, but she insisted before.
Can you imagine how horrible to go to the wallet stopping shagging. Totally unGFE.
I tried another fake photos agency. Don’t even think about trying these sites.
[url]http://www.top-models.com.ua/[/url]
[url]http://www.kiev-x.com/[/url]
These two sites are same agency.
I picked a girl, Evgenia, and called the number on her page.
[url]http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=122[/url]
[url]http://www.kiev-x.com/girls/119/[/url]
A English speaking girl answered phone, and she said she is Evgenia. I asked to come to my apartment, but she told me she had very good apartment to come.
Her address was Dneprovskaya Naberejnaya 11A.
I took a taxi and went to her apartment. She was totally different from her photos. Only hair color was same.
Guys, don’t waste time. Stick the Gia, the only agency using real photos. Service is also guaranteed.
[b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.[/blue][/QUOTE]
And after all this guys you negate gia.?! $40 for kissing and $40 for OWO - what madness??!! Ballentine30, the girl you've met must be very rich for asking big money and doing nothing ;)
To Cruiser D: I prefer to call gia and know that guys on the phone will give me a good advise and I meet a girl from the picture but not some another ugly thing. Gia is my #1 choice.
Hello all
[QUOTE=Chrisforsex]And after all this guys you negate gia.?! $40 for kissing and $40 for OWO - what madness??!! Ballentine30, the girl you've met must be very rich for asking big money and doing nothing ;)
To Cruiser D: I prefer to call gia and know that guys on the phone will give me a good advise and I meet a girl from the picture but not some another ugly thing. Gia is my #1 choice.[/QUOTE]
Not every one “negates” GIA. However, as their prices start at $100 for an hour, and increase with extras like OWO, and exceed $300 for an all nighter, I for one believe there is merit in examining some of the many other options available.
It may well be that Cruiser D is correct and that none of the online agencies can provide the level of service expected by us. However, as discussed before, many independents advertise through sites like destiny and perhaps the reality is that this route is the future.
My recent nights with Jennifer from destiny were cheaper, more intimate and better fun than any of my experiences with GIA at today’s prices. Some fellow punters here that met her following my report have since agreed with my opinion and wrote their own glowing reports too. A similar story applies to both Ella in Odessa and Lana in Kiev.
I must also mention that all 3 girls provide a fuller menu than any of the girls in GIA.
I list below a link to 1 girl who provides OWO and Greek overnight for $200. In my opinion she is as attractive as any of the GIA girls. I have yet to meet her, but I will, and I’ll report my findings, unless someone else feels the need to do so first.
[url]http://www.singles.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=50462111[/url]
Indeed, after having done some some research, I could now list in excess of 50 independents of similar quality and price range. I obviously can’t “field test” them all but I am sure that from those that I do, I could compile a database that would beat hands down the likes of GIA, the #1 agency in Kiev by some accounts.
As also mentioned by Cruiser D, there is another option with apartment line-ups. I haven’t tried this option so I can’t offer any input on this matter……….yet.
Other options are the semi-pros in many of the clubs and bars besides the usual haunts. In these circumstances you get more than just a photo to choose from.
Anyways, to finish, I accept in principle Chrisforsex’s comment but I know there is better out there and as before, I’ll find it.
IL
[QUOTE=Irish Lad]Hello all,
Not every one “negates” GIA. However, as their prices start at $100 for an hour, and increase with extras like OWO, and exceed $300 for an all nighter, I for one believe there is merit in examining some of the many other options available.
It may well be that Cruiser D is correct and that none of the online agencies can provide the level of service expected by us. However, as discussed before, many independents advertise through sites like destiny and perhaps the reality is that this route is the future.
My recent nights with Jennifer from destiny were cheaper, more intimate and better fun than any of my experiences with GIA at today’s prices. Some fellow punters here that met her following my report have since agreed with my opinion and wrote their own glowing reports too. A similar story applies to both Ella in Odessa and Lana in Kiev.
I must also mention that all 3 girls provide a fuller menu than any of the girls in GIA.
I list below a link to 1 girl who provides OWO and Greek overnight for $200. In my opinion she is as attractive as any of the GIA girls. I have yet to meet her, but I will, and I’ll report my findings, unless someone else feels the need to do so first.
[url]http://www.singles.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=50462111[/url]
Indeed, after having done some some research, I could now list in excess of 50 independents of similar quality and price range. I obviously can’t “field test” them all but I am sure that from those that I do, I could compile a database that would beat hands down the likes of GIA, the #1 agency in Kiev by some accounts.
As also mentioned by Cruiser D, there is another option with apartment line-ups. I haven’t tried this option so I can’t offer any input on this matter……….yet.
Other options are the semi-pros in many of the clubs and bars besides the usual haunts. In these circumstances you get more than just a photo to choose from.
Anyways, to finish, I accept in principle Chrisforsex’s comment but I know there is better out there and as before, I’ll find it.
IL[/QUOTE]Irish Lad,
You can spend too much time, strenght and money in search. Let me tell you guys one story which happened with me this spring. When I came to Kiev for business I wanted to have some fun in the evening and relax after a hard day. I went to a club which suggested my friend and met a girl there. Well, it was quite easy to bring her in my bed as it seemed she wanted it even more than me ;) When in a very 'hot' moment we got undressed I saw some ulcers over her body. She sad it was allergy but it seemed as something more dangerous than allergy. And it was disguisting by the way. So guys you never know what will be under a pretty face, tight dress and good price. I don't ever do this again. I already had enough :( That's why I prefer gia with clean girls, however some of you may have another opinion. Have you ever had such cases as me? Or it's only me who was such lucky to get such a 'pretty' in my bed? :)
Hello,
I am in Kiev right now.
Anybody had experiences of these two agencies.
Photos seam real but the prices are high. I would like to be sure.
[url]http://www.kiev-escort-models.com[/url]
particular reports on Sonia, angelika?
[url]http://www.kievcityescort.com[/url]
particular reports on Soniya, marta, zlata?
Looking for elite extra gorgeous escorts and GFE
Thanks
Irish Lad,
Your Kiev "service provider database" is an admirable task and one that will undoubtedly give you many, many hours of pleasure. There will also be more than a few additional hours of aggravation and frustration. This has been the case of my many years here.
The real problem is not the database itself but rather:
1. How will you structure it, by ladies or by "companies" or a combination of the two?
2. Updates are critical but can also be chaotic to maintain.
I tried to maintain something like this a few years ago but gave up, it became too complex. Ladies and companies came and disappeared in a flash, mobile numbers changed often. Keeping up with these changes and variables took too much time, time that could be better spent making a call to the lady of my choice and paying a visit for a few hours.
With some notable exceptions, most of the local ladies tend not to spend much more than six months or so at this profession. Turnover is rampant and the fun part is discovering new "talent."
[QUOTE=Hilke]Hello,
I am in Kiev right now.
Anybody had experiences of these two agencies.
Photos seam real but the prices are high. I would like to be sure.
[url]http://www.kiev-escort-models.com[/url]
particular reports on Sonia, angelika?
[url]http://www.kievcityescort.com[/url]
particular reports on Soniya, marta, zlata?
Looking for elite extra gorgeous escorts and GFE
Thanks[/QUOTE]
[url]www.kievcityescort.com[/url] is run by the same young woman as [url]www.kievbeauties.com[/url]
they have exactly the same 5 girls working for them, none of the pics on both sites are real. call kievcityescort and the only difference will be that your paying even more than with kievbeauties
Why didn’t you bring a girl from the country where you come from or from whatever country? For the money you are willing to spend on a girl you would have given her a great holiday and would have fun with her too for 24 hours a day! I think the prices on the websites are ridiculous but feel free to try some of them and post your experiences here. I wonder if they provide more and a better services then any of the other girls written about here on this forum.
Hello
Uke Boy
I look forward to the research and do accept that at times it will be frustrating. I rarely revisit and mostly enjoy the pursuit of new talent.
I would structure it with 3 headings:-
1. Independents,
2. Agencies
3. Locations. eg. River palace.
I can only do so much research and so rely on others to make some input. I’m in Kiev for the next year so I’ll have the chance to try many out if the freebies don’t get in the way.
Chrisforsex
I never met a girl like this. Your report makes it sound like the only clean girls in Kiev work for GIA.
Hilke
If that is your budget then go to the finest strip club, find the best looking girl there and she’ll be yours!
Delgado
Thank you for the info.
Ismael
That’s a good point. I know a guy who offers a week in Antalya and has to screen the applicants.
A Golden Rule we must never forget about the girls of websites is: If it looks too good to be truth, is because is too good to be truth
The kind of pics that look trustful are for instance the ones in Kievdosug, very normal girls, very normal pics, very normal backgrounds.
If the girl in the pic looks a top model, bad bad,, and if the pic looks to be done by a playboy photographer with luxury backgrounds, very very bad.
Gia has gone too far, their prices become very expensive, but is a safe option, what you see is what you get, girls are very clean, some good lovers others very normal ones.
From the ones that appear now I had an experience with Ksiusha, she is nice, good kisser, and good natural BJ,
I have had three other experiences with GIA, with girls that dont work with them, one was fantastic (Tanya), other so so ( dont remember name), and the third was bad
My experiences with telephone agencys of newspapers in english, Kievweek etc, really awful
And my exeriences with non pro ladys I met in Flirt.com.ua bad too
i had a short trip to kiev between july 14 to july 18.
first, i used rakuena everyday. now, ira and veronika are not working anymore. i tried karina and kristina in addtion to oxana.
karina was very sweet girl who speaks good english. she said she was university student.
kristina was beautiful, but little fat. she also speaks good english. she did really good erotic massage using her big natural tits.
i tried elena in gia this time. she was more beautiful and fatter than her photos. on her profile, she could speak good english, but she spoke limited english. i had real gfe with her. deep french kiss, licking, 69, owo, and cim (not swallow).
i also tried [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] on the forum. i got her email address from other member, ffmbud, and sent her email. she answered with her photo (real was different from her photo) and price. $100/1 hour, $300/all night.
she came to my apartment on july 15, 7pm sharp.
we had wonderful dinner with some wine and talking. she spoke excellent english. she told me she was english teacher.
i had very good gfe with her in dating and on the bed. deep french kiss, licking, 69, great bbbj, and cim (swallow). only negative was her small tits. (almost nothing)
we slept in the morning and woke up 11am. she did not hurry to go home.
i gave her $400. ($300/night + $100 tip)
[QUOTE=Duke Pro Sex]A Golden Rule we must never forget about the girls of websites is: If it looks too good to be truth, is because is too good to be truth
The kind of pics that look trustful are for instance the ones in Kievdosug, very normal girls, very normal pics, very normal backgrounds.
If the girl in the pic looks a top model, bad bad,, and if the pic looks to be done by a playboy photographer with luxury backgrounds, very very bad.
Gia has gone too far, their prices become very expensive, but is a safe option, what you see is what you get, girls are very clean, some good lovers others very normal ones.
From the ones that appear now I had an experience with Ksiusha, she is nice, good kisser, and good natural BJ.
I have had three other experiences with GIA, with girls that dont work with them, one was fantastic (Tanya), other so so ( dont remember name), and the third was bad.
My experiences with telephone agencys of newspapers in english, Kievweek etc, really awful.
And my exeriences with non pro ladys I met in Flirt.com.ua bad too[/QUOTE]
OK thanks for the advice.
I booked some wonderful czech girls on a nice looking czech/slovakian escort agency web site. The pictures were great and obviously taken by a very good pro.
Of course, the girls were not as beautiful as on the pictures, but it was the same girls and they were very beautiful girls. Models type.
I guess Ukraina is not as pro as Czech rep. too bad.
[QUOTE=Irish Lad]Hello,
Uke Boy
I look forward to the research and do accept that at times it will be frustrating. I rarely revisit and mostly enjoy the pursuit of new talent.
I would structure it with 3 headings:-
1. Independents,
2. Agencies
3. Locations. eg. River palace.
I can only do so much research and so rely on others to make some input. I’m in Kiev for the next year so I’ll have the chance to try many out if the freebies don’t get in the way.
Chrisforsex
I never met a girl like this. Your report makes it sound like the only clean girls in Kiev work for GIA.
Hilke
If that is your budget then go to the finest strip club, find the best looking girl there and she’ll be yours!
Delgado
Thank you for the info.
Ismael
That’s a good point. I know a guy who offers a week in Antalya and has to screen the applicants.[/QUOTE]OK thanks,
I have been to Dniepro Hotel Strip : the prices of champagne were a joke and girls were not so nice.
I have been to Millenium : the girls were not very nice and very sticky "come to private". Maybe because it was on Monday at 1 in the morning. There was not a lot of poeple here. Very very far from a strip in Paris, where girls are very nice, well educated.
What is the best strip in Kiev?
hello ballentine30
[quote=ballentine30]
i also tried [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] on the forum. i got her email address from other member, ffmbud, and sent her email. she answered with her photo (real was different from her photo) and price. $100/1 hour, $300/all night.
she came to my apartment on july 15, 7pm sharp.
we had wonderful dinner with some wine and talking. she spoke excellent english. she told me she was english teacher.
i had very good gfe with her in dating and on the bed. deep french kiss, licking, 69, great bbbj, and cim (swallow). only negative was her small tits. (almost nothing)
we slept in the morning and woke up 11am. she did not hurry to go home.
i gave her $400. ($300/night + $100 tip)[/quote]
this [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] is the jennifer i refer to. she is a classy lady as you already know.
i gave her contact details to ffmbud who submitted a nice report before. this is the type of quality information sharing i would love to see more of. without doubt, jennifer would be at the top of the "alternatives" to gia.
il
[quote=irish lad]hello ballentine30
this [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] is the jennifer i refer to. she is a classy lady as you already know.
i gave her contact details to ffmbud who submitted a nice report before. this is the type of quality information sharing i would love to see more of. without doubt, jennifer would be at the top of the "alternatives" to gia.
il[/quote]i agree 100%.
as a regular in s. america and other parts of europe i decided it was time to make my first visit to kiev. to those who have frequented this board much of this will be repetitive but i wanted to do a complete report. i would also like to thank some of the regulars who had assited me prior to my trip especially theknight. your advice is without this forum is about and made my trip easier. my intent here is to try and do the same for others.
first the airport is fine and easy. from the time the shuttle dropped me off at airport it took me 15 minutes to make it through passport check. if you have nothing to declare you can bypass customs all together. this made it incredibly easy. once you get out to the airport there are several cab drivers waiting for you. i for one am most afraid in foreign countries when i am in a cab. probably about 15 drivers all telling me to come with them. when i asked how much (i had told them all i was staying at the premier palace) the range was $45-$100 bucks u.s. when i declined they always dropped there price. i was literally being followed by 2 of them. once outside i went to the right and there was a building with a sign that said taxi. i went over there and was told taxi to city center would be $30. done deal and off we went.
as stated earlier i am staying at the premier palace the hotel is very nice but definitely overpriced. the staff is friendly and the room service 24 hours and surprisingly good. no problem at all with bringing girls in but i did walk them out last night. high speed internet in the room is free (until september 1). my only complaint was the pay per view. my movie choices were (not kidding) 50 first dates and helboy. both of those movies are quite old and after laughing i was very disappointed. requested a scred driver to take apart back of tv (ok i did not tell staff my purpose for screwdriver) and was able to easily hook up my dvd player to the tv.
first stop was arena city. to those of you who have never been the concept in my humble opinion is super cool. it is built like an arena and they have several entertainment venues in one area. my first stop was to the sports bar. only one girls working (close to 11) and she was very attractive. i then wandered into a couple of clubs of which i don't recall the names but will go back and find out. in one of the clubs there literally seemed to be a modeling party. every girl was 18-26 and everyone was model caliber. there was a long table set up and everyone was at the table. none of the girls seemed available (i was very sad about this) and left after one drink.
my next stop of course river palace. to those of you coming don't worry everybody has heard of it. upon entering my biggest mistake was going to the bottom level. i mistakenly had read this was the place to go. was sitting downstairs a little depressed because there were only about 20 girls and everybody was pretty much sitting. the girls were ok but when you see the beautiful girls all over kiev ok is tough to take. i was going to go back to arena city when a manager said i need to check out the disco.
the disco was either $10 or $20 to get in (was drinking and money is not a huge factor me so i did not pay attention). once inside i knew that i was in the wrong place. i would say about 100 girls and a great energy in the club. dancing and people wre there to have fun. probably close to 70 guys but everyone is there to have fun. the quality was much better and there was tons of eye candy around. i was definitely in a much better place. to anyone who is thinking of going to river palace walk downstairs (don't sit) go back up to the disco and you will be sure that lego was right.
my next mistake of the night was seeing 3 girls i like and hesitating on grabbing them (i had met some fellow americans and was enjoying drinking and talking). a few hours later they were all grabbed up and no top caliber girls caught my eye. i settled on two pretty girls who were hanging out with each other. they danced well with one another and i decided that i would take the pair. they asked for $200 each for 3 hours and i did not negotiate. my personal approach is to accept or reject and let them come back to me but i never try to talk them down. sorry to those of you who this bothers but money is not something i stress over and i have found that i feel more comfortable with this method.
at the hotel girls were great but only one was lfk and the other no kissing. i enjoyed but definitely will be there earlier and will not repeat with the same girls.
as to the beauty of the girls on the street everything i had read was true. their are stunners everywhere you look. i was walking but nobody stopped to talk to me. i could not believe how many gorgeous girls i saw in 1 hour. i then went back to the sports bar in arena city and ate on the patio for lunch (i will do this probably everyday). many beautiful girls and to a bad eating american the food was good. i went with a good pepperoni pizza and fried mozarella. other than the fact that they brought mexican salsa for the cheese sticks everything was great. if i can be of any further help please let me know.
last night i cut the chase and went right to river palace. in the disco there are lots of tables. girls seem to be permitted to sit freely but when a guy sits down they are told that they are reserved. i sat down and within minutes i was approached by a hostess from the river palace. she told me it was reserved and i asked if i could tip her instead. i gave her 200 in ukraine money (u.s. $40) and she was estatic. she quickly assured me that my table would be reserved everyday of my stay. i know i could of done it cheaper but that is not my approach to these types of matters. as someone who always dresses casually (poorly) i feel more of a need to make an impression and to overcome the doubt that i am there to spend money. i always wear jeans, t-shirt, and stylish sneakers. never a collared shirt and because i am in a foreign country i wear a cheap swatch instead of the nice watches i wear at home.
i picked a girl who i had talked to the night earlier and we agreed to $300 for two hours. we went back to the room finished in 45 minutes and she was ready to leave. during the session lots of kissing very good but afterwords she left right away. wasn't tired and decided i wanted more action. walked to arena (3 minutes from my hotel). embarassed to admit that i could not figure out where the nightclub was from the night earlier and rather than struggle hopped in a cab for river palace round2. immediately saw the girl i wanted early but had been taken and called her over. agreed to $300 (i am sorry to everyone who thinks i should haggle but please no more pms complaining to me. i am only trying to give full honest reports) and she was worth every penny. very passionate and nice. after sex we enjoyed room service and she was very fun. will probably repeat if i see her tonight she was that good.
other observations that may be helpful. unlike other places in the world the second you talk to a girl and they agree they want to leave right away. they have all been willing for me to enjoy a drink but it is obvious they are ready to go. another thing is that they do not have a change of clothes with them so when they come back to the hotel it is obvious what they are tehre for. ok it is always obvious but it is more obvious. my pet peeve here is that at least at my hotel i am told that if i do not walk the girl out security will shake her down for money. as a gentleman i feel obligated to do this even when i quite prefer the good night kiss before they leave to be with me in the bed. as i want the girl to keep all of the money i will put up with this inconvenience but i don't have to like it.
today i slept very late and then made arrangements with gia. i felt my trip would not be complete without at least trying their service. very easy to set up and made an appointment for delivery 3 hours later. the girl showed up on time (i tend not to use specific names because really ymmv). i will say that i thought she was equally as attractive as her photos. service was good and she tried very hard to make me happy. i can say nothing bad about the service and from an ease factor i would reccommend to everyone. bringing in girls mid day causes you a few extra strange looks and i of course had to walk her out. hope some of you are finding this helpful.
[QUOTE=Lego Maniac]
. . . we agreed to $300 for two hours. We went back to the room finished in 45 minutes and she was ready to leave. . . .
. . . Immediately saw the girl I wanted early but had been taken and called her over. Agreed to $300 (I am sorry to everyone who thinks I should haggle but please no more pms complaining to me. I am only trying to give full honest reports) and she was worth every penny.
. . . I am there to spend money . . .
. . . Was drinking and money is not a huge factor me so I did not pay attention . . .
. . . Sorry to those of you who this bothers but money is not something I stress over and I have found that I feel more comfortable with this method . . .
[/QUOTE]
Lego Maniac, honest report. But with all due respect I have to make a few remarks:[list]If right now you pay $US 300 for one hour what do you expect to pay within two, three years? $US 500, $US 600?[/list][list]How can you expect someone else to publish good advices on the internet if the effect is that other people start driving up prices?[/list][list]Being easy on money doesn't always get you the best service. Being easy on girls often makes them lazy[/list]
I agree with FD
Lego, paying $600 for two dips (granted with two separate providers) is crazy (my humble opinion of one). It sounds like pure desperation on your part -- and obviously money is no object. But you are FUCKING up the market for the rest of us !! My humble advice to you is to "slow down", take a deep breathe, and talk to the lady, find out a little about her, and if you like her, pay her $400 or so for the NIGHT !!! Getting you to your goalline (multiple dips) and save you some loot. I have been in your desperation state myself, but with experience, have slowed down. Tipping the hostess $40 was nice of you -- more than she earned all week !
This is not a flame -- just an offering of an opinion -- and I will be back in Kiev in a month or so.
Be safe, and "have one for me" !!
By rising up the market and spoil it, not everybody is loaded of money like you, you should be less selfish and think a bit to other mongers whom slave away the whole year and try to get fun in Ukraine with intelligence by paying the price market, I'm wondering why you bother to come to Ukraine if money it's not an issue for you, you shoud be able to find the same or much better pros (even non pros as I guess you're a kind of Bill Gates) in your own country.
It doesn't help anybody to know you can throw your cash out of window so please report only usefull stuffs.
Eros
Lego Lego,
Are you crasy, why spend so much money, you pay more end european price, why so travel to kiev? normal price is between 45$-80$ in 1 hour if you pay more so you have pay overprice. In riverpalace is the price from 100$ - 200$ but no more. When i was in kiev in may i could see many monger spoild the market, some one pay 400 $ to a girl, i was in chock, i hobe this girl has a gold body. I want to say kiev is a safe place, dont be drunk, dont take a girl from another boy. When you walk down the street act like you know the city, dont take a big card map of kiev and a big camera and say i never pay overpriced. Kiev girls like man dress well is very important boys. But you have to know there are many pepole can not speak english. Dont take taxi before you make a deal, dont pay overpriced in day is 10 gr and in night is from 15-25gr.
You have to know kiev change is not cheap anymore, the price go up every where and they are many rich pepole there. If you are black ou white ou yellow ou arrabic dont be afraid nothing happent there, everything is how yu dress is very important, and money give you power.
Hi,
I will go in Ukraine in few days, so I check some information.
This two sites for exemple:
[url]http://www.vipsex.com.ua/[/url]
[url]http://www.gia.com.ua/html/models.shtml[/url]
Do you see something wrong somewhere?
On this two sites you can find two same girls, Tamila and Zlata.
Because I used Gia, and so i know the pictures are right, I think that the other site is not good.
First and foremost I am shocked at all the negativity I receive. I have only been trying to give help to others and I get blasted on the board and many private emails. I thought that some of you would find my posts helpful. To those of you who get so offended this is the point you should quit reading. To some of us mongerers that care more about quality then saving a few dollars you may read on. Also if you wish to blast me fine but please no more private messages blasting. Those who ask questions always get a response from me. Unlike many others I share information and anyone has asked me before knows that I try my best to be helpful.
First met up with someone from the board. The most useful thing I have gotten from this board since I arrived. He apparently liked my honest reports and met me for drinks and fun. Whichrich is from Australia and a wonderful partner to hit the town. While I don't think he has contributed yet hopefully he will have a change of heart and perhaps even defend our idea of fun.
We decided to see if the reports of Moda Bar's demise were accurate. In our opinion at 11:30 pm on a Thursday they were. Admission 50 in ukranian and there were less then 15 people in the club. All girls were accompanied by dates. We downed our drink quickly and left. Whichrich understands the concept of sunk costs better then most and we went to river palace.
As expected my table was saved. Second warning quit reading if you are bothered by those who spend money. I tipped the hosted $200 Ukranian ($40us) and she was wonderful again. Had many drinks. Decided to repeat with my girl from the night before. To let you know how in tune I was with Whichrich he had coincidentally had her before me last night. I of course knew that I had a good partner and we shared a good laugh. I explained to her I wanted to drink but if she wanted to wait I would take her back to my hotel.
After another hour of drinking I saw a beautiful blond who also looked very attractive. She was 21 and gorgeous. I felt comfrotable that in my opinion I had the 2 hottest girls in the club. Whichrich had locked up a beautiful blond for himself.
When asked what each girl wanted for the night to be very happy both requested $300. We came back to the hotel and got started. Everything was wonderful. Lots of kissing lots of interaction. After about an hour and a half of fun we ordered room service. After eating and a short rest we started with some more fun. Around 5:30 am I was getting tired. Both girls wanted to stay over for more fun in the morning but from past experience I know a king bed is not so comfortable for 3 to sleep. I sadly walked the blonde out (man I hate that inconvenice) and agreed that the other would sleep over. Around 11:00 I woke to a phenomenal blow job. Embarassinlgy I tried to stop her because I thought sleep would be good and there would be time for fun later. Obviously, I did not fight to hard. She was phenomenal and despite 3 shots the night before she was able to complete the task. She then left and knowing that I hate going out said don't worry it is so early it will not be a problem.
Guys I am not rich (ok i am but that is not important to this story) but I am trying to give you honest information. I could definitely get a girl at River Palace for $200 if I want to get turned down a few times or wait until the end of the night. If you want to lock up the hottest girl in the club and make them happy you are paying $300. Whichrich here is a place for you to step up and vouch for me. There are always people that can come in and say heh I did this for only $150 but the reality is for Americans that speak no russian and are here for a short time and want the knockouts you are paying a little more. $300 us for a beautiful girl for the night is a great deal. Despite other claims it is cheaper then the US or most of the rest of the world. My advice in the negotiation is to go for more time rather than dollars. Especially if you are a bit younger most of these girls will spend more time with you. Every girl has offered me her number and asked to hang out in the day. SO far I have not folllowed up figuring there are always beauties at the club.
Today I hung with Whichrich today and have to again profess my amazement with the amount of beauties on the street. There really are model caliber girls everywhere you walk and the girls here really do not like to wear alot of clothes. It is amazing. I am blown away and I have been all over the world. I would only come here in the summer for that reason (ok and I hate cold and snow). None of the girls have been overly friendly (not rude either) but aside from a few smiles I have not felt invited to participate in more conversation. Admittedly I am a little shy on the talking to strange beautiful girls (hence the love of mongering) but these girls are just amazing.
Walked over to Decadence, which I was told is a top disco for weekends to reserve a table for the night. The host was gorgeous and agreed to let me in tonight in sneakers. I will see if that holds up. I am confident that there will be tons of beauties but I suspect I may end up back at River Palace. As I get nothing but crap for sharing in Kiev I will share my next report for private for people who are more similar to me