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[QUOTE=Riina;1898063]Maybe you just want to keep all foreigners out so you can enjoy your own UA pussy paradise.[/QUOTE]I can only say that Luis Vega's experience of Kiev (and Ukraine) is very different from mine. I'm not sure if Russian language skills make a massive difference, but for me it really has changed much in the last 2-3 years. But then I never went there expecting to bang supermodels for peanuts.
I'm back this week with plenty of contacts that I didn't get round to meeting from my last trip. And any girl that asks for a gift before you've met her needs to be kicked to the curb quick.
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Gia
Has anyone tried the $60 "slave" upgrade at Gia? I assume this is where the girl is submissive since they also have a different dominatrix option. Just wondering what this consists of if anybody has tried it.
Want to splurge on Gia one night but wow can get expensive real fast.
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[QUOTE=Rog123;1898135]Has anyone tried the $60 "slave" upgrade at Gia? I assume this is where the girl is submissive since they also have a different dominatrix option. Just wondering what this consists of if anybody has tried it.
Want to splurge on Gia one night but wow can get expensive real fast.[/QUOTE]I have no idea what "slave" means but I do know both Natasha and Zlata let me rag doll them the whole session for no extra charge. A few of my actions were a bit degrading, but they went with it enthusiastically and never once buzz killed me at any turn. I do take special attention to not bruise or scratch them.
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I got more numbers and dates from classy Moscow girls in one evening of bars and clubs than a week of trawling Kiev. The Moscow girls quote literature, speak other languages, and love sex too. You've got to dress well, and they appreciate culture and irony. In Kiev almost every girl is a non discerning scamming prostitute who's spent so much time hearing the BS hype about Ukrainian women and wives online that she's got a vastly over inflated idea of her worth. Waste of time. Cheap. And a bloody depressing dreary place on the way down. Once you've tasted St Petersburg and Moscow you won't look back
[QUOTE=LuisVega11;1897935]In Ukraine from 7 days.
I decided to give this hole of ass country a last try after seven month and I know it was useless.
All the last reading are correct in part, wrong in other. The results anyway is a big bull. It country, with the worst woman you can find on earth. I don't know how people still keep defending this girls and women. The greedy product of modern era. I have been all over east, and nothing come near these person. And most of all they don't even fuck. Russian girl loves cock, Poland even *10-. These Ukrainian only loves fuck the other people.
I leave aside the distinction from village girl to high end pro. All the same, few changes.
When I read reports like those in the last 2 pages I laugh. People collecting 100 of contacts in mamba and fuck these girl for 300 500 gryvna, not even Ukrainian can fuck fat cow for these money.
Stay away from Ukraine. It's total scam and lose of time and money. I'm talking about not paying. The pay is even worst. Walk in Kiev. Only 60-75 foreigners walk with devuska in these days. Because wedding agency. Rest of foreigners even those great looking are in the same boat...[/QUOTE]
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Can any one give information about girls in Odessa for an Asian guy.
Don't know Russian / Ukrainian language.
Is there any way to get girls without any cheating.
All I need is oral sex from hot girl and blowjob.
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[QUOTE=SickhHeart;1898553]Can any one give information about girls in Odessa for an Asian guy.
Don't know Russian / Ukrainian language.
Is there any way to get girls without any cheating.
All I need is oral sex from hot girl and blowjob.[/QUOTE]Here's a thought, try the Odessa thread.
And don't forget to post a review after.
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I have been in Kiev now 8 times and I always wanted to go to Rio but I never did. I don't know why I should pay some hundreds of for bitches which I can get much cheaper in my country. When I am reading the experiences here with girls from Rio I also can say, that the quality mostly is worse. I also have not been in one of these known bars. Next time I want to go to the Caribbean Bar. But mainly because of the music there.
The charm of Kiev girls or Ukrainian girls is to have something like a "real" girlfriend for some hundred a month. To do all the things which you are doing with a normal girlfriend including travelling in other countries. These girls are 6, 7 and 8 and if you have enough time and enough charm and you are able to pretend a common future you also can get a 9.
The times had changed in the last decades. The 9 and 10 are gone or they have their rich clients but there are about 23 millions women in the Ukraine and some millions of them are in the age between 18 and 28. There are still enough girls who are waiting for us but the search is much more complicated and needs more time. And of course you don't find them in Rio.
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[QUOTE=Rammstein2;1898809]I have been in Kiev now 8 times and I always wanted to go to Rio but I never did. I don't know why I should pay some hundreds of for bitches which I can get much cheaper in my country. When I am reading the experiences here with girls from Rio I also can say, that the quality mostly is worse. I also have not been in one of these known bars. Next time I want to go to the Caribbean Bar. But mainly because of the music there.
The charm of Kiev girls or Ukrainian girls is to have something like a "real" girlfriend for some hundred a month. To do all the things which you are doing with a normal girlfriend including travelling in other countries. These girls are 6, 7 and 8 and if you have enough time and enough charm and you are able to pretend a common future you also can get a 9.
The times had changed in the last decades. The 9 and 10 are gone or they have their rich clients but there are about 23 millions women in the Ukraine and some millions of them are in the age between 18 and 28. There are still enough girls who are waiting for us but the search is much more complicated and needs more time. And of course you don't find them in Rio.[/QUOTE]Thank you sir, good simple insight into Ukraine. Their may well be less hookers now in Kiev, but my gut instinct tells me the girlfriend thing is better.
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[QUOTE=Rammstein2;1898809]The 9 and 10 are gone or they have their rich clients[/QUOTE]There needs to be some perspective here, because there seems to be a little too much rose tinted revisionism about what was or wasn't the heyday. Are we saying that 5 years ago 9's and 10's were freely available in every bar? I was there, they weren't, there were some available if you were in the right place and had the right cash. Even 10 years ago (which I would consider my favorite time in Kiev) there were still guys bitching and complaining about how the city had changed since the orange revolution.
Every city has changed (and seemingly gotten worse) over time.
If you're not finding 9's and 10's is it because they aren't there, or you're not looking in the right places? I've found a few on each of my last few visits, so I'm finding this current wave of negativity very much at odds with what I'm seeing in Kiev. As always YMMV.
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Looks like visa free for Ukraine is not happening anytime soon which is a good thing.
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[QUOTE=CallSignPapa;1898942]There needs to be some perspective here, because there seems to be a little too much rose tinted revisionism about what was or wasn't the heyday. Are we saying that 5 years ago 9's and 10's were freely available in every bar? I was there, they weren't, there were some available if you were in the right place and had the right cash. Even 10 years ago (which I would consider my favorite time in Kiev) there were still guys bitching and complaining about how the city had changed since the orange revolution.
Every city has changed (and seemingly gotten worse) over time.
If you're not finding 9's and 10's is it because they aren't there, or you're not looking in the right places? I've found a few on each of my last few visits, so I'm finding this current wave of negativity very much at odds with what I'm seeing in Kiev. As always YMMV.[/QUOTE]My 10's are 5's or less for other and other's 10's are 5's or less for me. I went to Asia including Thailand and didn't fuck once, not my type and liking at all others couldn't get even.
So what is 10's in Kiev?
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[QUOTE=InsomniacTales;1898317]I got more numbers and dates from classy Moscow girls in one evening of bars and clubs than a week of trawling Kiev. The Moscow girls quote literature, speak other languages, and love sex too. You've got to dress well, and they appreciate culture and irony. In Kiev almost every girl is a non discerning scamming prostitute who's spent so much time hearing the BS hype about Ukrainian women and wives online that she's got a vastly over inflated idea of her worth. Waste of time. Cheap. And a bloody depressing dreary place on the way down. Once you've tasted St Petersburg and Moscow you won't look back[/QUOTE]It which are these clubs and bars in Moscow and St. Petersburg do enlighten us also mate. In the normal Nf, Aurora and the three cousins are strip bars which are the normal bars or clubs you go to pick these hot women.
Cheers man.
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[QUOTE=Moski;1899734]My 10's are 5's or less for other and other's 10's are 5's or less for me. I went to Asia including Thailand and didn't fuck once, not my type and liking at all others couldn't get even.
So what is 10's in Kiev?[/QUOTE]You're obviously correct, it's all subjective. Fellow ISG'er Epicure saw me in Kiev with my 10 but for him she's probably a 7 maybe. Horses for courses.
My point is that I don't think Kiev deserves the shellacking it's been getting recently.
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[QUOTE=Riina;1899303]Looks like visa free for Ukraine is not happening anytime soon which is a good thing.[/QUOTE]Hi Riina,
Where do you get this info?
I think you're right. It's a good thing for us after all.
So in fact I've already re-arranged our trip in early September from Italy to Cyprus, which is an EU country but which accepts the Ukrainians with only online visa, as I understand.
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[QUOTE=Sorbonne;1899986]Hi Riina,
Where do you get this info?
I think you're right. It's a good thing for us after all.
So in fact I've already re-arranged our trip in early September from Italy to Cyprus, which is an EU country but which accepts the Ukrainians with only online visa, as I understand.[/QUOTE]Just an assumption after Brexit. It would make no sense to stoke this populist sentiment sweeping Europe with more open immigration.