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Rayman,
I don't know if you belong to the catagory of 'old rich', but please remember this forum is not only for expats with confortable living standard who are looking for fun at week-ends, but also for young sex trabvellers who try to f...k a maximum of girls on a tourist budget.
My advise (from experience) : in Chongqing, you can easily find a fine young and beautifull girl for 200 Y. Negociate BJ beforehand. Plus just a 30 Y tip for taxi if she comes to your hotel. (you can cross Chongqing from west to east by taxi for 20Y).
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Erik
Can you give me more details on how to contact the girls who do for RMB200 for a ST in Chongqing. I am going there. Otherwise, I shall have to use Woovictor's contact which is pricy for local standard.
Woovictor,
It was a good report your have given.
Good Hunting
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by member49
[i]Erik
Can you give me more details on how to contact the girls who do for RMB200 for a ST in Chongqing. I am going there. Otherwise, I shall have to use Woovictor's contact which is pricy for local standard.
Woovictor,
It was a good report your have given.
Good Hunting [/i][/QUOTE]
See my post below 21th May. Cheers.
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Hi Erik,
Thanks for your comments, old or young, rich or poor as lest i am not a miser like some of the guys who post here. In fact this is the WSG not who can haggle the hardest. I think this obsession to save a bob or two is degrading for all involved.
For those small percentage who are after cheap sex go to Thailand. (as if we didn't know).
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Rayman, I respect your generosity, and I try to be kind whenever some young sweetie gives me good service, but I understand Erik's concerns.
Have a look at your statement here:
"Even in Beijing 90% of the clientel are chinese, in other cities probably 99.9%. It is impossible for a lone laowai to drive up prices." The problem is, it's very easy for a lone laowai to drive up prices for other laowai's.
"just a few beers in the Hardrock cafe" you say... Unfortunately, a lot of laowai's in China aren't fortunate enough to be in your income bracket. Some are young guys who still get asked for a giant pile of money, because they think everyone with white skin gets a free villa and Audi.
Please don't misunderstand me. I don't like bargaining with the girls myself, but we have to keep their expectations reasonable. After all, there are harder ways to make a lot less money.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rayman
[i]Hi Erik,
Thanks for your comments, old or young, rich or poor as lest i am not a miser like some of the guys who post here. In fact this is the WSG not who can haggle the hardest. I think this obsession to save a bob or two is degrading for all involved.
For those small percentage who are after cheap sex go to Thailand. (as if we didn't know). [/i][/QUOTE]
Sorry, I don' t quite agree with on one point : what I would like to make people understand is that China IS also a country of cheap sex. In the "little" towns (ie county head cities, 1 or 2 million inhabitants), for one girl picked up from a barbershop, you currently pay 100 ot 150 Y for the girl, plus 30 Y "taifei" to the shop. Total = around 500 to 750 Bath = cheaper than the current average ST rate in Thailand. In ethnic border areas, you may pay prices comparable to those in Cambodia. This is not allways very easy to find, you need to be curious, search and preferably speak chinese, but that is part of the fun. It is just not true that China has an up-market only sex industry.
Even in big cities, when a girl wants 1000 Y, tell her that you know some barbershops where you can have girls for 200 Y, and her price will drop to 500. Of course, she will tell you that these girls are dirty and make a lot of customers, but that is not always true. In Chongqing, I have talked to several 18, 19 year old girls who should be at school, and just because they feel bored, want (or need) money and to get some excitment, they show up from time to time in the barbershop owned by their friend, to pick a customer or two.
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I bet you two are visited by the ghost of Christmas Past, Present and Future once in a while.
Come on lads are you ever so poor??? Really? Don't know where your next meal is coming from? Some of these girls in Barber shops don't. And please don't presume i am rich...after all there are many tight-arsed rich guys around. I've been here for a long time now and i have seen and done a lot but there is a nasty trend in these boards regarding haggling down the price. I say..pay a fair price which is usually what they ask for.
Yes of course you can beat them down,...and the service later?? I bet you MaMaHuHu (soso). Quick Quick and get out!!Have some self-respect.
Yes in Beijing/SH/GZ they do ask for +1000RMB but a good looker would be really desperate to drop to 500.
Erik you may 'get off' in cheap thrills writing but in the long run you are doing no-one any favours. Yes.. their is cheap sex in China, Asia and Europe (White, black, brown)... it is all over the world, and especially in poor places, in inner city parts of NY, London or Paris as well.
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Just a closing note having reread the emails below.
Some guys here seems to enjoys advertising China as some nookie paradise with BS anecdotal stories but i tell if China does become infamous for cheap sex (say as Thai, Phil, etc) you can be sure that those in Beijing will put a stop to it.
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Erik
You right about Chongqing. I was there to check up woovictor's comments. The girls should really be in school and they are on the line once a while to earn some pocket money and enjoy sex; sometimes.
One of them told me that she first had sex on her 18 birthday with her classmate/boyfriend but dumped him after a couple of weeks. She thought she might as well earn some money and enjoy the job. The sad thing is that the organisation takes most of the takings and she takes about RMB300 per night plus any extra tips. That's what she said but some of you can verify the comments. When I met her she ws 18 1/2 years old.
She was petite, about 1.58m with firm B+ bust. Was really wet during the 2 sessions as if she really enjoy the job. She said that she really enjoy about half the time and had to fake the other half to give good customer service. She does not do BJ. I paid her RMB700 and an additional RMB100 tip for the night.
It was certainly educational for me as I found that the Chongqing girls are really open about sex and we have been corresponding occassionally via email.
For guys looking for action in Chongqing, you need not worry as the action will catch up with you. Just take a walk on Liberation Sq after dinner and many people will appraoch you giving you their business cards. Most of the are innocent airline and hotel reservation but some will be numbers for call girls. Call one but bargain as they all claim that their girls are U undergrads etc and deserve a premium.
Good hunting.
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Erik, I'm returning to Chongqing in a couple of weeks. The last visit I couldn't find the red light district that was mentioned in the archives. You mentioned that it was near the HI, do you have more specific directions or will I find it if I wander around the Holiday Inn?
Thanks to you and woovictor for your CKG postings.
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Here's the Chengdu Situation:
Prostitution is rampant!
Upon arriving in Chengdu, I wondered, why there were SOOO many salons and tea shops, and yet, I only say businessmen, random guys and police officers hanging out there.
If you can speak a little Chinese, you can definitely cash in on the action. Even if you're just foreign and you step into an establishment, be prepared to be led to the back room for "massage". Below are some details.
If you're in the Chengdu and your bored, wander down a side street, almost any in the whole city. I've explored northern, eastern and western all the way down to Sichuan University, Second Ring Rd. to Second Ring Rd.
Many Beauty Sallons (especially with the pink light and many girls, but no customers), Massage parlors, Kareoke, and Tea Shops are all great places to expect some below the waist service.
Here are some hot spots:
From Er Huan Lu, go south down Sha Wan Lu.
Pass the HuiZhan Chaoshi (market) on the right and walk south another block to a small 4 way intersection with a light. Turn right and start your adventure. You'll pass a couple adult products stores, pass through a poorly lit block and then enter an area wear there's obvious ass for sale. There's various massage parlors offering cheap (30 to 50 Y per hour) massage with a tip of 50 to 100 per BJ or 100 to 200 to nail that tightness! Wow, and it's tight!
I've discussed prices with some chinese "gentlemen" walking out of these joints, had little ON the SPOT interviews, and heard they get to hit it for dirt cheap. I'm talking 30Y BJ's and 50Y Tag sessions, but hell, if you're white, then the above prices are cheap. CHeaper than the other "hotels and clubs" i've seen mentioned in other places.
Another area: if you continue south on Shawan Lu until you reach the 5 way intersection going to the JiaLeFu (Carrefour) shopping center and turn 45 degrees right down that road, then you're likely do find street walkers offering everything for "it's up to you" and up to me means 200 Y for 2 of them for 2 hours. At least that's what i did once.. Everything but the ass...
Another spot. DixiaShangChang (underground market) downtown. Most of it is legitimate, but enter in front of Xiongmao Cheng (panda town). IT's all kareoke rooms w/ beds and tv's, "tea boths", a locked dancing rooms. Go at night. It's fun!
Other tips:
College girls:
Undergrads in Chengdu tend not to give it up! Graduate students will spread it, but don't think you're going to date 18 to 21 Y/O college students and get anywhere fast.
D-ba (disco) and International bars: Both are way to expensive many are 40 to 50 Y just to get in.
Plus taxi, hotel, drink, and girl fees.. after that, you've spent a lot of money and for what?.. to cum 1 or 2 times? Not worth it. there are plenty of hotties for cheap.
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Chongqing... Stayed at the Marriott for two days last week. City is changing all of the time. Almost all of the barbershops around the Marriott are now gone(since last January) and high rises are under construction. So, I checked out the resources in the hotel and the other services available.
As I walked around the hotel, some guy gave me a card for the Emperor Commercial Service Center... a real catchy name! But, the card said... "Give you Girls Commercial Service"... This I understood. So I called, 13038398677. I was told a girl was 300 RMB. I was on the executive floor which requires a key in the elevator to access the floor, so I was shocked to hear a knock on the door 15 minutes later. Two cute young girls came in and so I was faced with a decision of 2 for 600 RMB or the cutest one for 300 RMB. I opted for the cute one alone and it was worth every yi jiao!
Later, I took a tour of the sauna/massage center on the 7th floor someone mentioned in an earlier post. As reported, you can get a VIP suite with double bed/sauna/whirlpool and a girl for a total of about 1,200 RMB, 580 RMB for the room and about 600 RMB (up to a 1,000) for the girl. I don't know what causes the price for the girl to go up. I asked to see the girls and was shown three very cute girls and I got the idea that they had many, many more available. The actual name of the S/M center is Offshore Power Club. I guess the Marriott doesn't want to be associated with it.
Later, I spoke with two of the young girls working at the White House nightclub/KTV in the basement. They told me that you don't have to take a room to have a girl come to your room. So, the next night, I went down and met one of the mamasans, Kitty Song. She escorted me to another bar in the back and brought out 6 girls. One was very cute and I picked her. As I waited for her to change clothes, Kitty told me that they had 60 girls working, but not all were available to go to the room. The cost was 600 RMB for the house and the girl gets 1,200 RMB(2,500 for the night)... not cheap, but very easy. The girl accompanies you to your room via an elevator in the back.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by CA traveler
[i]Chongqing... Stayed at the Marriott for two days last week. City is changing [/i][/QUOTE]
I take it you speak Mandarin/Cantonese fluently??
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AMPG... Yeh, I'm fluent on about three words... an moe, shay shay, ni how.
The people I referenced either spoke English or we jointly figured out how to get the girl to my room!
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by CA traveler
[i]AMPG... Yeh, I'm fluent on about three words... an moe, shay shay, ni how.
The people I referenced either spoke English or we jointly figured out how to get the girl to my room! [/i][/QUOTE]
In that case, there is hope for me yet in these part of the world since my Mandarin/Cantonese is not much better then yours. How is the food flavors there beside all those available young nookies?