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I will definitely grant you, rational thinking is not the hallmark of Ukrainian women.

"a reasonable amount of money spent on courting a girl"

You are also, thus, referring to a reasonable amount of time courting a girl - something visitors don't have. And you are also playing on a...

Again, I know I didn't make it perfectly clear, but my comments were geared towards visiting types - not those that have had the chance to live extensively in country.

I have lived extensively -...

A young, good looking dark-skinned Greek or Italian (disclaimer - I am NOT saying ALL Greeks and Italians are dark-skinned!...I am referring to those that are!), would actually have much more success...

Further to my point - its not about general appearance, regarding entry refusal - its about race. If you are light skinned, fat, ugly, and decently dressed, you can get into any club in Kiev. If...

Yes, I perfectly well understand that not all Italians are darker skinned. But my comments were geared toward the Greek guy, who claimed Ukrainians preferred darker skinned guys over whiter skinned...

Again, trying not to over-generalize, but, in general :), from what I have seen:

Between a choice of either

1) a young, educated, good-looking, physically fit, generous, kind, succesfull...

Kiev girls like darker skinned Greeks and Italians?!

Sure, it can happen. Not saying Greek or Italian guys can't get laid in Ukraine...however:

Ukrainians and Russians tend to be very racist,...

Well, yes, I would agree with the idea - the dating rules are fairly similar for Slavic to Slavic and Slavic to Foreigner. It is true, there are financial demands placed on the local guys, every bit...

One observation regarding pricing of P4P, again harking back to the Greek dude, and his responders:

I see multiple levels of pricing for P4P:

Most Expensive: Generally hot girls, who speak...

"An in FSU countries they fuck as rabbits at 16…"

I like Slavic women - at least, physically....but gotta make a point regarding a prior post.

It is generally thought in the West that Slavic...

Moliere,

I've been getting the same calls :)

What is probably even more chilling to them is my indifference towards them (payback for their indifference in different economic times....)

Nolies,

You are spot on - the masses of money thrown at Ukraine the past few years lead to Ukrainian girls looking at European/American men as almost being poor - it was if they were disappointed...

I can't say for certain - my Russian is good enough such that, even if a girl can speak english, we generally speak in russian.

That said - I don't think many of these girls would be fluent enough...

Recommended:

Viktorija: http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=1048
Probably the best going. Photos are real - she is hot, hot body, friendly enough, good sex, full hour. No kissing. Relatively...

Uke, I've come to understand that (even before this nasty incident....), but fail to fully understand why. Why don't more girls just post their own adds? As you point out, a handful do - and on...

If anybody is interested, I may be inclined to give a report of which girls are real/worth calling on top-models (as well as which are fake/not worth calling) - tastes naturally differ, as do...

Uke-Boy,

I think my days of using those sites (top-models, indiviualki, etc.) are over - or will be a last resort only. Yep - prices have shot up. But an even more annoying event for me...

As for the comments regarding Americans who travel the world and only eat hamburgers:

The only thing I appreciate more than a hot young girl, is a tastey meal. Indian, Mexican, Thai,...

Evilz,

Felt I had to intervene between you and CD.

You mentioned you are an optimist, and CD is a pessimist....I try to be a realist :).

For some reason, CD likes to argue. I've had this...

Lukasek - I do understand the general concept, and I understand there has been some obvious advertising for other sites - it just doesn't seem Mark D is one of them, though he may have seemed as...

PS - If anyone goes the site route, it is definitely worth searching through many of them - I was with one girl - she had 4 cell phones. I asked why she needed 4....she said she was listed on 4...

Mark D,

Don't worry about it, CD just gets jealous when new posters show up with information about EE.

Thanks for the links. I've actually tried a couple of them previously, and the quality of...

Sure thing.

Translation:

If am are girl fucking free not, you am is I girl pay fucking. Free. I are not say girl normal if not fucking, I is he not girl HIV getting. Am enjoying are advice...

I'm also on the cheap side when it comes to P4P, but, having given it some thought, if I were in, say, Kiev (not there at the moment), and had money to burn, I would probably just go ahead and find...