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Some guys need the hotels because they have to pay with a credit card for expense reimbursement reasons. Many apartments are cash only.

I don't understand that mentality. Seems like it would cut down on business. The girls don't spend much inside the club, but the mongers looking for them sure do.

That's correct. But the price includes the 'tip' to security. The girl settles it one way or the other in a back room.

I meant non-pro girls, not free to use the site to reach them.

Here's another "freebie" site for you horndogs:

http://www.ukrainedate.com

Not sure if any of those are real girls, but give it a shot. I filled out a very vague profile (you have to) with no...

No, I think that is the small place over to the right in the building with the interior veggie market. The place I mean is on the opposite corner, with 2 floors, cafeteria style.

I agree about the p4p scene in Paris, although I like the city itself. But you want a more dismal experience? Try being stuck in Luxembourg, especially in winter. Even the locals drive to Germany...

Which Olga? There are 10,000 of them!

I don't know what your problem is, but an Indian friend working downtown was harassed frequently by the drunken fools that hang out in the subway. Would you like his phone number to ask him...

I know for a fact that Indians can face trouble around Arena, but I've never heard of black guys getting any abuse. Of course, it also depends on your size.

As I spent countless days and nights in the President, before Cruiser pulled me out of that prison, I do fondly remember the lobby lounge crew there. Most of them were older than the RP crowd, one...

Sounds like the Ukrainians have adopted the Thai bar owner mentality - when business is down, raise prices dramatically.

I'm a little fuzzy, and the exchange rate differences also muddy the water, but I could have sworn a 2 hour takeout cost me the equivalent of $200. Some reports here peg it at $300 now, which is odd...

Haha, if I was able to get a job in Rio 20 years ago, I'd still be there today. :)

Shadow, nice reports.

As to your friends taking the same girls a second night, often times a bird in the hand...
I landed a stunner for $150 from RP, which I thought was a steal, until we got to...

I remember back in my barbacking days in the late 80's, the policy was to go and clear out any drinks left on tables while the patrons got up to dance. This was to maximize revenue. :)

If you mean in the NY area, I'm game. :)

I think I stayed in that same apartment once. It had an enclosed porch that looked at the side of McDs and the little park right behind it. Nice place and great location.

Bez, don't be frustrated. Cruiser actually took me to one of them behind Fridays somewhere, and I couldn't even tell how to find it. You go in one unmarked door up x flights in the dark to another...

I could have sworn the one up from RIo, across the street from 'you know who's' apartment had a limit at 5000, although I'm not 100% sure.

Don't forget though that that one is possibly cloned.

Could also apply to Indian, as I've seen it happen at Arena (downstairs, no less), but then again, the average Ukrainian door guard is not going differentiate dark skin from dark skin.

Keep me posted on our favorite secret place. God how I miss that place.

I don't know if being black would have an special issues in Kiev, but I can tell you an Indian coworker of mine did have a number of issues with thugs hassling him on the streets around Arena, as...

Guys, I don't recall if I posted this before, so I thought I'd mention what happened last time I visited Kiev.

Two other guys I worked with found their bank accounts were hit after using ATMs down...

I stayed at the President a number of times before switching to apartments, thanks to meeting CruiserD. My rate at the time was $150 USD, although this was a couple of years ago. Some people I know...