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[Mr Enternational]

Here I was thinking he was in aviation.

Why, because it is impossible to do more than one thing in life?

[SaltyPete]

I don't have the wrong person. You definitely posted such a statement several months ago. It was in sort of a tit-for-tat you and I were engaged in. I started searching your posts, but when I realized you post a half dozen or more messages each day, I decided it wasn't worth my time. I think at any given moment you probably will say whatever comes to mind to stay on top of an argument--in your own mind. Perhaps you recall posting that Emory University offered you admission to their Anthropology Ph.D. program, but you turned them down because they offered you only a little less than $20K as an annual stipend. But, of course, money isn't important to you.

Here I was thinking he was in aviation.

[Soapy Smith]

I think you have the wrong person, but since you asked. Money is not important to me. That does not mean I am going to give it away willy nilly, when I traded time out of my life in exchange for it. What is important to me are the things that I can get with the money, and not the money itself. Keep the money and give me credits that I can get the things I want with. Fine with me. In the USA confederate currency is money, but it is worthless and you can not buy a damn thing with it. So having a house full of that money would be useless.

I don't have the wrong person. You definitely posted such a statement several months ago. It was in sort of a tit-for-tat you and I were engaged in. I started searching your posts, but when I realized you post a half dozen or more messages each day, I decided it wasn't worth my time. I think at any given moment you probably will say whatever comes to mind to stay on top of an argument--in your own mind. Perhaps you recall posting that Emory University offered you admission to their Anthropology Ph.D. program, but you turned them down because they offered you only a little less than $20K as an annual stipend. But, of course, money isn't important to you.

[Drbombay]

Nobody should be considered a Cheap Charlie because they're willing to pay a fair rate for goods and services that are normal for that market. But people can sure as hell be expected to be pissed if they're being asked to pay more because they're from another country. That's racism and cheating.

Spot on. If you are into the whole online thing (Meet Me, Tagged, Skout, etc) you will notice that the Pinay women normally stay active all during their nighttime for a very good reason. It's the daylight hours in the USA and Europe and those guys are willing to spend to buy "gifts' online than some of their own countrymen have the ability to do so. So to your point if the local market has one price and you being an expat or visitor has another that really is not helping the local economy on a fair basis, so I don't see why folks are getting mad at some who may be willing to negotiate differently than you. Like it or not, they do for themselves so you may as well look out for ones self.

[SinfullyKorean]

You are missing the point. Could I get sex for 1000 or 1500 yeah I guess and some never ask for anything. If you are from the west and I'm assuming you are could you do this at home especially if you are from US. No. Speaking to a girl here half your age. Ewww get away from me you old creepy dude. What's a few bucks, yeah you say she is happy, maybe, maybe not. She would be allot happier with more, who wouldn't. Some guys are just Cheap Charlies not much will change them. They would do it if they were millionaire's.

You really can't compare what people pay in the US vs PH. Cost of living is higher, cost of sex is higher, wages are higher. This is partially why people move to PH to retire. Expecting them to pay the same for stuff in PH as US is just absurd. And yes, speaking and having sex with girls half our age is very possible in the US. You're on a fucking sex forum and you're spitting nonsense like "Ewww get away from me you old creepy dude"? You're basically talking about 90% of the audience here. Are you from PH? Are you trying to be a white knight?

Nobody should be considered a Cheap Charlie because they're willing to pay a fair rate for goods and services that are normal for that market. But people can sure as hell be expected to be pissed if they're being asked to pay more because they're from another country. That's racism and cheating.

[PinkPearl]

I wonder what guys are trying to achieve with paying over odds?

On the positive side it certainly gives access to prettier girls in town (though many would argue not necessarily better attitudes and service). I can understand this being of prime importance to some. However, I have also seen many Jeans and Tee Shirt provincial godesses that were ecstatic to receive 500 p for some new dresses.

Preferential repeat access would also be likely. Not because of the girls' sense of gratitude but simply because the guy has out bid competitors.

"Saving" destitute girls? I find this highly unlikely. Money just runs through their fingers and is seldom spent on long term wealth creation. I've seen many girls rolling in cash one day and borrowing money the next.

Similarly, warm and fuzzy feelings are unlikely as the girls immediately forget and past assistance and are only concerned with the here and now.

It seems you answered your own question making a strong case for paying more than one has to.

Additionally see my post below a few posts prior to this one.

Also having spent hours this week RTF reading the forum concerning Angeles City, it is evident a number of members here believe that offering a tip incentive beyond the BF bar fine is a useful way to entice those inclined to such a motivation to provide better service and attitude, etc.

[MutantChicken]

I wonder what guys are trying to achieve with paying over odds?

On the positive side it certainly gives access to prettier girls in town (though many would argue not necessarily better attitudes and service). I can understand this being of prime importance to some. However, I have also seen many Jeans and Tee Shirt provincial godesses that were ecstatic to receive 500 p for some new dresses.

Preferential repeat access would also be likely. Not because of the girls' sense of gratitude but simply because the guy has out bid competitors.

"Saving" destitute girls? I find this highly unlikely. Money just runs through their fingers and is seldom spent on long term wealth creation. I've seen many girls rolling in cash one day and borrowing money the next.

Similarly, warm and fuzzy feelings are unlikely as the girls immediately forget and past assistance and are only concerned with the here and now.

What is funny is that many if not most of the "I happily overpay" because I'm so financially endowed crowd don't follow their "Its my money, I spend it how I want" mantra, as from my assessment they are on one hand complaining that cheap charlies keep on cramping their style by telling them how and when to pay, but they seem to not have such a liberal attitude about how the cheap charlies should be allowed to pay what they want pay. Calling them cheap charlies, mean spirited, cold hearted, should be ashamed of themselves. There is no need to go further than the recent stupid shit on the Vn thread, which I quietly observed. You would think that someone who was so warm hearted and blessed with such endowments would have more grace than to "bully" the downtrodden broke ass cheap charlies.

Equally poignant is the fact that most in former group all they do is "comment" comment literally on every thread, comments ranging on how they used a squat toilet, the best fish and chips in AC, but I find it hard to find a FR or a post that relates to mongering or a post that has intel that show's they have actually been to some of these places, and were the big wigs the claim to be. At best they post information that can be readily garnered on the web for example bus routes to get from manila to AC. Enquiring minds would question the status of these guys one-handed typing basement trolls vs sophisticated world mongerers.

[MutantChicken]

You are missing the point. Could I get sex for 1000 or 1500 yeah I guess and some never ask for anything. If you are from the west and I'm assuming you are could you do this at home especially if you are from US. No. Speaking to a girl here half your age. Ewww get away from me you old creepy dude. What's a few bucks, yeah you say she is happy, maybe, maybe not. She would be allot happier with more, who wouldn't. Some guys are just Cheap Charlies not much will change them. They would do it if they were millionaire's.

This is a circuitous debate, I noted you comments on the vn thread and its clear where you lie your bed to sleep. I do get your point, and that is you say you could get it for 1000/1500, my answer is maybe, maybe not. Do you try to bargain when you are buy a car, hiring a contractor, I'm pretty damn sure you do or at least try to. But suddenly when it comes to a girl you don't negotiate and even pay more than she asks. The reason you do this is due to guilt or shame. This is clearly illustrated by your next comment about how you couldn't even get a girl who was 1/2 your age to speak to you in the West, and so when you are "here", you feel you need to "adequately" compensate her.

That's your issue, your feelings of inadequacy. I don't have that issue, can I get a girl 1/2 my age, definitely only it would involve a lot of time, a lot of kiss ass, a lot of simpering and a lot of cash. Time that I could be spend doing more productive activities. My norm when I was still in the west was dating girls 10-15 yrs younger than me, and even then it was too much. Sweet talking a girl 3-5 hrs before bedding here, if I were instead work, would have given me the income to pay for a 500 dollar FL at the minimum. Now where I live the cost is 15 dollars, so it would be 30 times more stupid for me to go the dating route. So no, I don't have you issues because I never experienced the "ewww get away from me you creepy dude" even with girls 1/2 my age. I pay because its the most efficient way to get what I want, not because I have to pay for a girl to talk to me or to have sex with me. Clearly you don't have the life experiences to understand the difference.

NB Many millionaires are millionaires because they are frugal and have a keen business sense aka cheap charlies.

But hey do what you do more power to you, ill continue with me 15 dollar hotties, with no competition.

[Horatio]

Confederate money has not been debased and inflated like regular us dollars. It is definitely not worthless. It's worth many times it's face value.

Though I get your point.

I think you have the wrong person, but since you asked. Money is not important to me. That does not mean I am going to give it away willy nilly, when I traded time out of my life in exchange for it. What is important to me are the things that I can get with the money, and not the money itself. Keep the money and give me credits that I can get the things I want with. Fine with me. In the USA confederate currency is money, but it is worthless and you can not buy a damn thing with it. So having a house full of that money would be useless.

[Goferring]

I wonder what guys are trying to achieve with paying over odds?

On the positive side it certainly gives access to prettier girls in town (though many would argue not necessarily better attitudes and service). I can understand this being of prime importance to some. However, I have also seen many Jeans and Tee Shirt provincial godesses that were ecstatic to receive 500 p for some new dresses.

Preferential repeat access would also be likely. Not because of the girls' sense of gratitude but simply because the guy has out bid competitors.

"Saving" destitute girls? I find this highly unlikely. Money just runs through their fingers and is seldom spent on long term wealth creation. I've seen many girls rolling in cash one day and borrowing money the next.

Similarly, warm and fuzzy feelings are unlikely as the girls immediately forget and past assistance and are only concerned with the here and now.

Giving her money so she can go home, stay out of the bar and await for your return. . . . Please!? Really!?

I think there are some areas where some guys (esp short term visitor) do gain a benefit from over paying but it's unlikely to be the life assistance and gratitude that many quote. I'd also agree with the previous comment that this professed altruism rarely extends to anyone without a pussy for hire.

Sorry for the rambling post. I've been copied up too long. LOL.

Enjoy. G.

[Mr Enternational]

That's funny. I remember you arguing that money isn't important to you. So, which is it, money is important to you, or it isn't?

I think you have the wrong person, but since you asked. Money is not important to me. That does not mean I am going to give it away willy nilly, when I traded time out of my life in exchange for it. What is important to me are the things that I can get with the money, and not the money itself. Keep the money and give me credits that I can get the things I want with. Fine with me. In the USA confederate currency is money, but it is worthless and you can not buy a damn thing with it. So having a house full of that money would be useless.

[Soapy Smith]

Speak for yourself sir. $50 means a fucking lot to me.

That's funny. I remember you arguing that money isn't important to you. So, which is it, money is important to you, or it isn't?

[PinkPearl]

I read stuff like this usual don't even bother to respond, people are what they are. You are from the western world and have had a million more opportunities' and money than most of these people. 1500 vs 4000 what is that to you? I mean really what is that 50 bucks, which means nothing to you but the world to them. So cheating a 3rd world girl with probably a 8th grade education out of a few bucks makes you feel like "The Art of the Deal" World is full of heartless people I guess.

An extra 50 dollars, or 500 K, in one's bank account at the end of one's life, is not going to mean anything to many people here. They can't take it with them. But it will mean a hell of a lot to many PFP pay for play ladies and or their families in poverty stricken places such as those found in much of South East Asia.

OTOH some hobbyists may be trying to get the best PFP deals they can to save up for their children's inheritance or other causes. They could save even more if they gave up PFP and went strictly for civilians or, perhaps even cheaper, autoeroticism. LOL.

555.

"Steve Martin. Sex Jokes".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAKLKvUxdvQ

[Soapy Smith]

I've been away from the board for awhile. Looks like I haven't missed much.

Conventional wisdom holds that the winner in an argument is the guy who gets the last word. Unfortunately, when the argument is pointless, it might be wise to drop out and let the other guy look silly when his last words are left hanging out to dry. On the other hand, if you are arguing with a guy who elucidates to his skills in maths, there's no way to win.

[Locamotive]

This is the thing I elucidated to on the other thread. I said earlier that these girls survived before they met me, they were happily fucking their boyfriends for FREE, they were fucking happily locals for 500 p, as someone else mentioned they could be happily fucking the local divemaster for 500 p when bills were due, and yet if I pay them 1500, which BTW is higher than any of the previously mentioned prices, I'm cheating them. Shit they must like being cheated as they still WhatsApp me asking me where I am, after I have long gone. What does it matter how much money I have and how little it is to me, if she is happy, I'm happy so why are you UNHAPPY. Some of the members are accusing "cheap charlies" like me getting triggered when others overpay, saying how its because I'm financially emasculated hence I get all concerned when others are paying more. Seems to me you are the one getting all concerned I'm paying less. Maybe you should look to any inadequacies you have thus you are being charged a surcharge, or for reasons you feel you have to pay more.

I come from a world where many girls are happy to be with me free, some may even have sex for me for free, but I know as you put it these are 3rd world ladies with a 8th grade education and they need money to eat, that's why I pay what is a fair compensation in my mind, based on what locals would pay and based on local wages for unskilled work.

You are missing the point. Could I get sex for 1000 or 1500 yeah I guess and some never ask for anything. If you are from the west and I'm assuming you are could you do this at home especially if you are from US. No. Speaking to a girl here half your age. Ewww get away from me you old creepy dude. What's a few bucks, yeah you say she is happy, maybe, maybe not. She would be allot happier with more, who wouldn't. Some guys are just Cheap Charlies not much will change them. They would do it if they were millionaire's.