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[Mr Enternational]

He was told that the airline was calling people back anyway, despite what congress was doing, because advance booking for spring and summer were showing a big surge in demand. This is just domestic air travel in the US.

I doubt there is much truth in what they told him. The CEO just sent out a memo saying how low demand is. The truth is more like 1) they are placing hope in the vaccine to increase bookings. 2) they are just being able to put the 737 Max back in service and they do not want them sitting around. He does not by chance fly the 737 does he?

[SinfullyKorean]

My son-in-law is a pilot for American Airlines. He got called back a couple of weeks ago from being furloughed in October. When they called him, he asked if this was due to the recent money given the airlines by congress. He was told that the airline was calling people back anyway, despite what congress was doing, because advance booking for spring and summer were showing a big surge in demand. This is just domestic air travel in the US.

Exactly. Airlines don't react on the spot. They prepare with forecasting models. They're already preparing for domestic flights. And most likely, they'll be ramped up when international travel eases up. Airlines are itching to get more passengers. It'll be an interesting supply / demand scenario once international travel opens up again. Will there be the same number of travelers as before the pandemic? Will we have enough flights to meet demand? My guess is that airlines will want to maximize profits after suffering for so long. So they'll start ramping up at least a month or two before international flights open up again. Korean Air's already starting to do this.

[AggieDad1]

While I too think Nov-Dec 2021 might see easier international travel it's unlikely to be a pleasant tourist experience.

Flights are NOT returning to normal with a flick of a switch. It will take years for forward bookings (and confidence) to return to travel. Also have the small problem of the airline industry needing to retrain groundies and pilots. For every pilot they need 10+ simulator hours to get currencies. Simulators will be the limiting factor regardless of demand and so airlines will be forced to charge higher prices. Then there will be the uneven coverage of vaccine where return travel from Philippines will be uncomfortable as our home countries may still treat us a a threat.

My son-in-law is a pilot for American Airlines. He got called back a couple of weeks ago from being furloughed in October. When they called him, he asked if this was due to the recent money given the airlines by congress. He was told that the airline was calling people back anyway, despite what congress was doing, because advance booking for spring and summer were showing a big surge in demand. This is just domestic air travel in the US.

[PedroMorales]

While I too think Nov-Dec 2021 might see easier international travel it's unlikely to be a pleasant tourist experience.

Flights are NOT returning to normal with a flick of a switch. It will take years for forward bookings (and confidence) to return to travel. Also have the small problem of the airline industry needing to retrain groundies and pilots. For every pilot they need 10+ simulator hours to get currencies. Simulators will be the limiting factor regardless of demand and so airlines will be forced to charge higher prices. Then there will be the uneven coverage of vaccine where return travel from Philippines will be uncomfortable as our home countries may still treat us a a threat.

This is an informed post you make. The mother of all shake ups is on the way. The Philippines has banned flights from the USA: this is a big deal as the Philippines likes to rim the USA.

Here in civilised Europe, things will change too as no one can keep taking losses. Ryanair is trying to expand further (it has big cash reserves). It is banking on a summer 2021 return and pimping the alleged vaccines. But the cost of vaccines and tests messes up their cheap as chips model. I expect only those airlines with major Government / defence back up to survive and shaft everyone. BA and Air France in Europe. Some big Mid east ones too and the Chinese The USA, who is to say?

If I am right, then less tourists but more premium ones, paying a lot more than now.

The Philippines is perhaps the wrong place to say this. But imagine you are pimping the Taj Mahal, some BS casino or working girl house. Keep the riff raff out and make the rest pay through the nose. Just drop the McDonalds / Jolibee model.

Actually prostitutes make my point perfectly. Most of them come from the slums but some can doll up, go easy on the yabba and charge a premium. It always amazes me I can get some tradesman to install a boiler, rewire a house, whatever and some slum lady wants as much simply to spread her legs and think of her trike toy boy as I pump my seed into her for short time. Though I get a laugh browsing the classier sites to see what kind of hobbies they have (art galleries, knocking back French wines), they ain't doing it on my dime. I have known slum hookers in both Thailand and the Philippines who hit it big. Some folk will pay a premium, no question. Those folk will have their vaccinated bums on seats no matter what the cost as soon as they can.

A good, thoughtful post.

[Wicked Roger]

And, from the US State Dept:

Health Alert for U.S. Citizens in the Philippines:  Bar on Entry of Travelers from the United States

Yes Westie saw that the day after and did not mention my bad.

I read this link.

https://thehill.com/policy/internati...tarting-sunday

Messy but to be expected for a country that in some parts denies the virus, in other parts does nothings serious about it while others do their hardest. I can't / won't visit my family in USA because of this either.

[BrizLad]

I had said in other forums that give it until Fall 2021 and things will get better. Lo and behold latest from Dr. Fauci was that he expects the US to start to return to normal until near the end of 2021. In other words, the Winter Games in Beijing will go on as expected and the international flights will start back in full swing making their Asia rounds.

While I too think Nov-Dec 2021 might see easier international travel it's unlikely to be a pleasant tourist experience.

Flights are NOT returning to normal with a flick of a switch. It will take years for forward bookings (and confidence) to return to travel. Also have the small problem of the airline industry needing to retrain groundies and pilots. For every pilot they need 10+ simulator hours to get currencies. Simulators will be the limiting factor regardless of demand and so airlines will be forced to charge higher prices. Then there will be the uneven coverage of vaccine where return travel from Philippines will be uncomfortable as our home countries may still treat us a a threat.

[Sammon]

Previously I was in contact with a lady from a dating site. Older, 50's. In chat she would video call from her home, a beautiful place. She was not in need of money, just looking for love. I was surprised she contacted my profile on the site, as it was very playboy-ish and extremely non-commital: "I am not looking to get married again". For a few chats, just some general chat about life. One day she just outright asked if I was chickboy and I said yes. "You have many pilipina before?" Yes. "When you are coming here next?" Two weeks. Would you like to have a cup of coffee with me? "No, I will not have a date with a playboy. But thanks you asked me". Sure. "Can I ask?" Yes ma'am, ask. "When you are here next, please get one girl only". Interesting, why do you ask this of me? "Well to our people sex is a sacred thing. One man and one woman". I see. Thanks for sharing with me. "Will you do it?" Sorry ma'am, I am a playboy. "OK. Take care there". Same, ma'am.

Two weeks later I was in Cebu, 30 minutes from her home. One of my regulars wanted to refer a new girl to me. We met for coffee: Me, the regular, and the new girl (age 28, great smile). After coffee and chat I took the new gal to my place (regular went home). The regular, who is paid talent, never mentioned me giving money to the new girl. After a great 2-round first session with the new gal, after the shower, we were dressed and sitting on the bed. The new gal put her hand on mine and said: "So". Nothing more. Sh*t, is that the hint to cough up something blue? Before I could say anything she said: "I go now". She asked for my number and we exchanged. Then she walked out the door, no money was mentioned or exchanged hands.

An hour later she txt: "Thanks today". Yes, sweetie, same. It was tempting to ask if she expected money. She txt: "Can I see you again?" Yes, lets coffee again, Wednesday, same place, 1 pm? "OK see you then". Great. When we met for coffee, I just asked: Why did you go with me to my place after coffee a few days ago? "Lynn says your good to it". Good to what? She smiled and quietly mouthed the word "F*cking". That's why you went with me? "Yes. Sport. Its good. I know you have other girls, its OK". Not money then. "No and please don't try to give". Check. She became a 2-year on / off regular.

"Well to our people sex is a sacred thing. One man and one woman". And: "Yes. Sport. Its good. I know you have other girls, its OK".

Love. Money. Sex. Sacred. Sport. < < < - - - Forrest Gump's box of chocolates. Have great 2021.

True, not all want money. All the same I give some. Do not want anything for free in other countries.

Like all girls they want to know who you are. So asking questions about you is normal. Unless it is a bargirl dating site girls do ask lots of questions. After all that some leave and others stay. I believe it is better to be honest and let them know your intentions.

[SinfullyKorean]

LOL. Thanks for the shits and giggles.

Love. Money. Sex. Sacred. Sport. < < < - - - Forrest Gump's box of chocolates. Have great 2021.

[WestCoast1]

Previously I was in contact with a lady from a dating site. Older, 50's. In chat she would video call from her home, a beautiful place. She was not in need of money, just looking for love. I was surprised she contacted my profile on the site, as it was very playboy-ish and extremely non-commital: "I am not looking to get married again". For a few chats, just some general chat about life. One day she just outright asked if I was chickboy and I said yes. "You have many pilipina before?" Yes. "When you are coming here next?" Two weeks. Would you like to have a cup of coffee with me? "No, I will not have a date with a playboy. But thanks you asked me". Sure. "Can I ask?" Yes ma'am, ask. "When you are here next, please get one girl only". Interesting, why do you ask this of me? "Well to our people sex is a sacred thing. One man and one woman". I see. Thanks for sharing with me. "Will you do it?" Sorry ma'am, I am a playboy. "OK. Take care there". Same, ma'am.

Two weeks later I was in Cebu, 30 minutes from her home. One of my regulars wanted to refer a new girl to me. We met for coffee: Me, the regular, and the new girl (age 28, great smile). After coffee and chat I took the new gal to my place (regular went home). The regular, who is paid talent, never mentioned me giving money to the new girl. After a great 2-round first session with the new gal, after the shower, we were dressed and sitting on the bed. The new gal put her hand on mine and said: "So". Nothing more. Sh*t, is that the hint to cough up something blue? Before I could say anything she said: "I go now". She asked for my number and we exchanged. Then she walked out the door, no money was mentioned or exchanged hands.

An hour later she txt: "Thanks today". Yes, sweetie, same. It was tempting to ask if she expected money. She txt: "Can I see you again?" Yes, lets coffee again, Wednesday, same place, 1 pm? "OK see you then". Great. When we met for coffee, I just asked: Why did you go with me to my place after coffee a few days ago? "Lynn says your good to it". Good to what? She smiled and quietly mouthed the word "F*cking". That's why you went with me? "Yes. Sport. Its good. I know you have other girls, its OK". Not money then. "No and please don't try to give". Check. She became a 2-year on / off regular.

"Well to our people sex is a sacred thing. One man and one woman". And: "Yes. Sport. Its good. I know you have other girls, its OK".

Love. Money. Sex. Sacred. Sport. < < < - - - Forrest Gump's box of chocolates. Have great 2021.

[WestCoast1]

New list from the government as to who is barred from entering. Only 15 days but the absence of USA, Brazil and India is odd given these are some of the worst (incl UK) countries for COVID and the new variant is spreading. https://www.arabnews.com/node/1784736/world

And, from the US State Dept:

Health Alert for U.S. Citizens in the Philippines:  Bar on Entry of Travelers from the United States

Starting Sunday, January 1, 2021 at 12:01 a.m., the Philippines will temporarily ban the entry of travelers from, or who have transited through, the United States. Passengers coming from the United States or who have transited through the United States who arrive before Sunday should be allowed to enter the Philippines, but will be required to complete a 14-day facility-based quarantine regardless of their RT-PCR test result. 

The Philippine government has also suspended all flights from the United Kingdom and will bar entry to travelers originating or transiting from the following locations: the United Kingdom, South Africa, Switzerland, Italy, Denmark, Israel, Hong Kong, Spain, Ireland, the Netherlands, Singapore, Lebanon, Japan, Canada, Germany, Sweden, Australia, France, Iceland, and South Korea.

[SinfullyKorean]

It's funny. And just like that, US is banned from Philippines. Seems like this is due to the new more contagious covid strain.

New list from the government as to who is barred from entering. Only 15 days but the absence of USA, Brazil and India is odd given these are some of the worst (incl UK) countries for COVID and the new variant is spreading.

What I found more scary is the comment about undocumented Filipinos entering via Sulu who may have the new variant. Later in the article. Given that many pinoy seem to think fiestas etc are not part of the covid rules this is not a good place to be (many many pinay / pinoy friends bemoan all the times about the 'hard headed' nature of their compatriots!

Am this is not new news to those with blue blues who dream that all is well with the county.

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1784736/world

[Drbombay]

I had said in other forums that give it until Fall 2021 and things will get better. Lo and behold latest from Dr. Fauci was that he expects the US to start to return to normal until near the end of 2021. In other words, the Winter Games in Beijing will go on as expected and the international flights will start back in full swing making their Asia rounds, and other variants of COVID will be deemed more transmissible but less deadly (I. E. A bad cold). As we continue on down the road in 2021 we will see more organizations and governments start moving in this direction.

Don't get me wrong, not trying to say this whole thing is a hoax, lost a few folks I knew, but the approaches that have been taken leave me to be suspect on a few things. I. E. They were not doing as best as they could while Trump was in office but now that he's out, look at this we have a clear way ahead but if he would have mentioned, it nothing but claims of a hoax, etc.

I hope Fauci is right, the vaccines work and people can start back getting to normal, but quit playing around and give us the truth and let us decide what we need to do.

[Kabul Guy]

98.7% effective in keeping you from dying. Not so much for keeping you from getting symptoms. The vaccines are much better at keeping you from getting symptoms than your immune system. Most of us would rather avoid having fever, loss of taste, lingering symptoms, hence the vaccine.

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I would take getting the symptoms and feeling like a bag of shit for a couple weeks if I knew I would live through it.

I will take the vaccine as soon as it of available to me, even if it costs a pile of pesos to get as a foreigner in country and jump the queue.

I would much rather have 20 p less than leave an extra 20 k p to my kids.

[Golfinho]

The disease and vaccines have not been around long enough, with enough people vaccinated, to determine if the vax also stops transmission to others.

Uh-huh. When a false sense of security is better than non at all, get the jab.

[Soapy Smith]

Well the threat is that she will leave early or not perform up to par. He made that clear in his post when he said this additional money will be for you following this protocol.

This argument is silly on its face. I regret having replied to your earlier post.