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[Spam Hog]

Kinda figured bar girls all over the world lie. I am in Medellin Colombia now and these women are incredible liars, I'm talking about the regular girls. Its part of their culture here in S. America so I can't trust um. I'm the type of guy that likes to monger once in a while but 'its the exception not the rule'. So I would like to find an honest girl when I arrive in Asia in Dec. Or Jan. But it sounds like the regular girls lie alot there too and its part of their culture also. I wonder if its like that in Cambodia, Thailand or Jakarta. Any suggestions where I might find an honest and submissive woman?

As I said, Thai women are habitual liars, it is part of their culture, you are a falang and when you are in their country it is within their right as a Thai citizen to lie, cheat and exploit you and every other Thai is obligated to help out vice versa, they even have a saying in their native toungue that says basically "Thai shall help Thai" that is a code for a pending rip off. Viets I've also noticed are practised liars.

One thing I've noticed about Filipina's (non bar girls and such) is they tend to exaggerate, this isn't considered lying but sort of a cultural thing. For instance if you buy her a P5000 watch for a present she will brag and show it off to her friends and tell them you paid P10,000 for it. Stuff like that.


SpamHog

[GoodEnough]

I know but I'm probably guilty of cultural arrogance!

To the contrary. I would say that this is exactly the attitude and behavior that's necessary to enjoy this country to it's fullest. It's all about recognizing that our disgust/anger/frustration only harms ourselves and ain't gonna change a thing. Once you accept the latter, it's possible to enjoy a very nice life here, whether for a short while or for the longer term.

GE

[Cunning Stunt]

The trick to survival here--as it is everywhere--is to enjoy the good things that the country has to offer, and to accept the fact that you cannot change that which bothers you, so just let them slide.
GE

Well put GE but I would suggest that more relevant to survival here than most places. If any members aspire to be more than an occasional visitor to these shores, it would do to cut and paste these words and print them out (preferably in poster size) and place them somewhere in your home where your eyes will fall on them everyday. This way you will hopefully retain your sanity. Unfortunately, it is much too late for me:D.

The truth is that the Philippine people (and Filipinas in particular) are not really human but are extraterrestrials landed here long ago from the distant planet Fuckwit. They are a chameleon people who assume the mantle of normality so that they can blend in and copy the mores and characteristics of the natives of the many lands in which they inhabit. But as a Vulcan is exposed by their inability to emote, the Filipino is given away every time by their lack of coherent and logical thought and their tendency to constantly fill cardboard boxes with old clothes/useless junk to send to their relatives back home:).

Only kidding but the truth is that if you fight the illogical and annoying currents that represents daily life in the Philippines, you will surely lose your marbles. Much more sensible to go with the flow.

I know but I'm probably guilty of cultural arrogance!

[Ajacobson]

Quite interesting! But if I cant trust your word because 'you might lie because you want to save face' then how can I trust you. I need to be able to depend on the truth from my partner at all times.

I see that in your earlier post you implied interest in "regular girls" and at the same time state that you "monger once in a while".

You know, what goes around comes around. Trust goes both ways, in any culture. I see a lot of guys expecting just what you said, "truth from my partner at all times" while cheating behind the girl's back at every possible opportunity. IMHO that doesn't go together well. If a Filipina girl has had experience with a foreigner chances are more often than not he was just like that, f*cking around and when she complains dumping her and moving on to the next (a popular board advice by the way).

I know (just a few) regular educated girls who will not take the Asian culture of keeping face too much further than the Western concept of white lies (a little maybe) especially in dealing with close friends.

Your chances in having a bargirl like that are probably zero just like the chances of a bargirl to domesticate a foreign monger customer into a faithful husband are zero. With regular girls it's just like everywhere else. Really good people are rare, finding them requires time, effort and commitment on your part and you are still not guaranteed to find them.

[GoodEnough]

Jesus GE, when did you get so profound? Been off the board for a while, but wow, is this what I come back too? Where are all the sophomoric morons that Old Thai Hand (OTH) wrote about so eloquently before his parting address? Gone for good I hope? (please, please, please) Maybe I will start posting again if that is the case.

Carmex, I just get sick of the cultural arrogance that I see every day here in the Philippines, and that I then read about often on this board and on other sites. Besides, it's tiring to constantly sit in judgment of others and to find them wanting because they don't or can't conform to standards and values of which they are totally unaware for the most part.

What I really have difficulty understanding is the obvious anger that I see displayed here every day. Guys spend thousands of dollars to come here on vacations, and it seems to me self-defeating at best to spend those precious vacation days in perpetual inner turmoil.

The trick to survival here--as it is everywhere--is to enjoy the good things that the country has to offer, and to accept the fact that you cannot change that which bothers you, so just let them slide.

GE

[Vaughnyb1]

That is YOUR failing. If you need to everyone in an Asian or Latin American culture to suddenly adopt your customs when you visit because you 'need' them to, odds are you are going to be disappointed. You are better off not coming in the first place.

Its not a failing but I guess you like people close to you to lie, but I don't!

[Member #4214]

Quite interesting! But if I cant trust your word because 'you might lie because you want to save face' then how can I trust you. I need to be able to depend on the truth from my partner at all times.

That is YOUR failing. If you need to everyone in an Asian or Latin American culture to suddenly adopt your customs when you visit because you 'need' them to, odds are you are going to be disappointed. You are better off not coming in the first place.

[Vaughnyb1]

While this may be true, and it's true more often than not here in the Philippines, it's important to put the "lying vs. truth-telling" into the appropriate cultural context. In the West, we tend to value straightforwardness as a key tenet of our culture, though we're less concerned with people's feelings. What's important is to be honest. In the Philippines--as in most of Asia--what's important is avoiding the loss of face or or causing others to lose face, and if twisting the truth is the best means of accomplishing this, then so be it. Respect for "the truth" (which is often fairly subjective at any rate), is subordinated to maintaining social harmony and face.

Then too, in the West we put great stock in personal accountability; in the acceptance of individual responsibility. Here in the East, accountability and responsibility are more collective, more societal, and definitely more hierarchical. That's why, in an organization, "bosses" are expected to make decisions while often subordinates will avoid decision-making at all costs as they do not perceive this as part of their jobs, which largely consist of following explicit orders to the letter.

At the end of the day, it's all about acting in ways that are expected and rewarded by the culture in which you live. Thus, for the bar girl to lie to a client, with the trade off being that she can potentially earn a few more dollars to meet her family obligations is, to her, totally acceptable since her familial responsibilities are infinitely more important than her ephemeral "relationship" with a client paying her for sex.

To judge the actions of those in different cultures through the prisms of our own cultures breeds only misunderstanding and often (for the Westerner) unhappiness.

GE

Quite interesting! But if I cant trust your word because 'you might lie because you want to save face' then how can I trust you. I need to be able to depend on the truth from my partner at all times.

[Carmex]

While this may be true, and it's true more often than not here in the Philippines, it's important to put the "lying vs. truth-telling" into the appropriate cultural context. In the West, we tend to value straightforwardness as a key tenet of our culture, though we're less concerned with people's feelings. What's important is to be honest. In the Philippines--as in most of Asia--what's important is avoiding the loss of face or or causing others to lose face, and if twisting the truth is the best means of accomplishing this, then so be it. Respect for "the truth" (which is often fairly subjective at any rate), is subordinated to maintaining social harmony and face.

Then too, in the West we put great stock in personal accountability; in the acceptance of individual responsibility. Here in the East, accountability and responsibility are more collective, more societal, and definitely more hierarchical. That's why, in an organization, "bosses" are expected to make decisions while often subordinates will avoid decision-making at all costs as they do not perceive this as part of their jobs, which largely consist of following explicit orders to the letter.

At the end of the day, it's all about acting in ways that are expected and rewarded by the culture in which you live. Thus, for the bar girl to lie to a client, with the trade off being that she can potentially earn a few more dollars to meet her family obligations is, to her, totally acceptable since her familial responsibilities are infinitely more important than her ephemeral "relationship" with a client paying her for sex.

To judge the actions of those in different cultures through the prisms of our own cultures breeds only misunderstanding and often (for the Westerner) unhappiness.

GE

Jesus GE, when did you get so profound? Been off the board for a while, but wow, is this what I come back too? Where are all the sophomoric morons that Old Thai Hand (OTH) wrote about so eloquently before his parting address? Gone for good I hope? (please, please, please) Maybe I will start posting again if that is the case.

BTW- I just returned home from 19 days in Manila, Sabang, White Beach, Puerto Galera, Mindoro. Was a pretty fantastic vacation and I still love the PI.

[GoodEnough]

Kinda figured bar girls all over the world lie. I am in Medellin Colombia now and these women are incredible liars, I'm talking about the regular girls. Its part of their culture here in S. America so I can't trust um. I'm the type of guy that likes to monger once in a while but 'its the exception not the rule'. So I would like to find an honest girl when I arrive in Asia in Dec. Or Jan. But it sounds like the regular girls lie alot there too and its part of their culture also. I wonder if its like that in Cambodia, Thailand or Jakarta. Any suggestions where I might find an honest and submissive woman?

While this may be true, and it's true more often than not here in the Philippines, it's important to put the "lying vs. truth-telling" into the appropriate cultural context. In the West, we tend to value straightforwardness as a key tenet of our culture, though we're less concerned with people's feelings. What's important is to be honest. In the Philippines--as in most of Asia--what's important is avoiding the loss of face or or causing others to lose face, and if twisting the truth is the best means of accomplishing this, then so be it. Respect for "the truth" (which is often fairly subjective at any rate), is subordinated to maintaining social harmony and face.

Then too, in the West we put great stock in personal accountability; in the acceptance of individual responsibility. Here in the East, accountability and responsibility are more collective, more societal, and definitely more hierarchical. That's why, in an organization, "bosses" are expected to make decisions while often subordinates will avoid decision-making at all costs as they do not perceive this as part of their jobs, which largely consist of following explicit orders to the letter.

At the end of the day, it's all about acting in ways that are expected and rewarded by the culture in which you live. Thus, for the bar girl to lie to a client, with the trade off being that she can potentially earn a few more dollars to meet her family obligations is, to her, totally acceptable since her familial responsibilities are infinitely more important than her ephemeral "relationship" with a client paying her for sex.

To judge the actions of those in different cultures through the prisms of our own cultures breeds only misunderstanding and often (for the Westerner) unhappiness.

GE

[Vaughnyb1]

Women lie all over the world. The Philippines are no different, some countries are worse than others, Thailand for example, lying is accepted, possibly even required, when you are dealing with a non Thai. Then again it depends on the level of woman you are dealing with, Bar girls and hustlers you expect to lie, its part of their job.

As a wise old Msgt once told me soooo many years ago "kid, you can take one a these girls outta the bar, but you can never take the bar outta the girl"

My experiences almost 40 years since have proven the wisdom of the old Sgts
words.

You will find women in the Phils who will be honest and open with you if you are honest with them, just don't expect it from a bar girl etc. Also those who are closer to thirty are a bit better at the truth than the young stupid and silly ones.

Spam hog

Kinda figured bar girls all over the world lie. I am in Medellin Colombia now and these women are incredible liars, I'm talking about the regular girls. Its part of their culture here in S. America so I can't trust um. I'm the type of guy that likes to monger once in a while but 'its the exception not the rule'. So I would like to find an honest girl when I arrive in Asia in Dec. Or Jan. But it sounds like the regular girls lie alot there too and its part of their culture also. I wonder if its like that in Cambodia, Thailand or Jakarta. Any suggestions where I might find an honest and submissive woman?

[Econo Tech]

does antibaby pill also work in postpone the onset of menstrual bleeding for a lady you want to meet there at a given time?

Does anyone of you guys have experience with this.

As you know it is always a matter of correct timing to not run into a bloodshet in pre-scheduled meetings with girls there.

I've read that birth control pills postpone menstruation.

Anyone having experience with this?

What does anti baby pill cost in Phils?

Anti-baby pills (contraceptives) do affect the menstrual cycle, or can lead to excessive bleeding .. Except Myrna - I am not sure if Myrna is available. The most common type is Diane 35 ..

[Econo Tech]

Then again it depends on the level of woman you are dealing with, Bar girls and hustlers you expect to lie, its part of their job.

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You will find women in the Phils who will be honest and open with you if you are honest with them, just don't expect it from a bar girl etc. Also those who are closer to thirty are a bit better at the truth than the young stupid and silly ones.

Spam hog

Damn, that is what I was going to add- 100% perfecto.

I have had run ins with bar girls, maids and sundry, and when things go titty up. Their behaviour is identical. Whereas an educated woman never does shut shitty stuff.

It also goes along with education.

I have met bar girls, who had been 'trafficked' in. And they did do what they said they will do, and kept their word, and we are good friends. Unlike other girls who lie to you that they want to get out, do some studies, and the money to send is to make her lover study her. Not for her own study.

Cheers. Wonderful post.

[GoodEnough]

You can hit up most ATM's with an international card for up to P10,000
(about $215 US) per transaction. Try the ones in the major malls, BDO works best so does METROBANK. Now they got extra fees for international cars like $150 pesos or more.

You can do a "cash advance" up to $1,000 US in the main BDO bank with a credit card and your passport.

Spamhog

HSBC lets you with draw Php40,000 per transaction. It's why I try to use their ATMs whenever I can.

GE

[Spam Hog]

What is the maximum withdrawal in most machines?

I know in mexico you can withdraw 500 dollars max for the fee , but can do that 3 times in one day. about 3 dollars for each fee.

i dont mind paying the fee for the safty and convienience.

I once lost 5 grand from a room safe er' unsafe.

You can hit up most ATM's with an international card for up to P10,000
(about $215 US) per transaction. Try the ones in the major malls, BDO works best so does METROBANK. Now they got extra fees for international cars like $150 pesos or more.

You can do a "cash advance" up to $1,000 US in the main BDO bank with a credit card and your passport.

Spamhog