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[Red Kilt]

If you choose Phils. Be sure you are prepared. The following will most likely occur: You arrange to meet a lovely pinay back at your place, lets say at 5 pm.

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She, 6 pm, I am on my way now.

Excited to hear if this was far fetched.

Just to balance your post VPlex, I think many girls have been totally burnt by assholes who spoil it for the rest of us by arranging meetings with girls and then not turning up.

Many girls have told me how they have turned up for planned meetings, often having borrowed the fare to get there, only to find the guy is either not there, never planned to be and, in one extreme case, was still at home in LA, Calif when he planned a meeting with her online.

Two girls have told me that they now wait until the guy confirms with them that he is actually at a planned meeting site before they leave home so they will not waste their money on fares. They do this because they have experienced being "stood up" by guys who get their kicks out of having girls follow their instructions. Somehow it makes the guys feel powerful at having women follow their instructiona. Weird stuff.

I agree that it is extremely frustrating for us but sometimes it helps to understand their thinking.

[Member #4558]

I did RTFF but couldn't find much on this topic. Do Philippine girls speak much English? I like at least a little communication, especially for LT. I haven't been anywhere in Asia yet and I'm trying to decided between Thailand and the Philippines.

If you choose Phils. Be sure you are prepared. The following will most likely occur: You arrange to meet a lovely pinay back at your place, lets say at 5 pm.

Here's how it will work out at 4:45 pm by text:

She, how are you?

You, I am great, I am in my hotel waiting you. What did you do today? Are you on your way anytime soon or even better are you close to my place now? We agreed 5 pm right?

She, did you eat your lunch?

You, eh, I asked you are you close? We agreed you come 5 pm right?

She, If I come will you meet me outside hotel?

You (feel your blood pressure rising, irritation rises), If you come. Didn't we have an agreement?

She, do you have food, can we eat?

You, what? Where are you?

She, I go shower now.

You (probably call her by now but no signal or the phone just stay unanswered).

She, 6 pm, I am on my way now.

You, where are you?

She, in taxi.

You, when will you be here?

She, dunno.

Etc etc etc. Take those pills. Excited to hear if this was far fetched.

[CallSign Papa]

The thing is, I'm not interested in virgin. Let someone else break her in, I say.

Totally agree, I've declined to meet a good number of girls who've insisted they're virgins (some as old as 20). Who needs that hassle, the experience is going to be awkward and weird.

Give me a cock-hungry morsel any day of the week.

[SaltyPete]

Hey, I'm sure you could bargain her down to 3,8000,000 php. Or even 3,800 if you are a charmer. Practice your negotiation skills! Or pass. I'm more worried about PNP than php.

The thing is, I'm not interested in virgin. Let someone else break her in, I say. I just posted it because it shows an extreme of what girls expect; and perhaps of what a guy will pay.

[Jack Burton]

For all of you Virgin Hunters, there is an 18 year old on Seeking Arrangement selling hers for the low low price of only 4,000,000 php (80,530 USD). I'd rate her a 6-7.

Some of these girls are really out of touch with reality. Or maybe I am?

Hey, I'm sure you could bargain her down to 3,8000,000 php. Or even 3,800 if you are a charmer. Practice your negotiation skills! Or pass. I'm more worried about PNP than php.

[Jack Burton]

I did RTFF but couldn't find much on this topic. Do Philippine girls speak much English? I like at least a little communication, especially for LT. I haven't been anywhere in Asia yet and I'm trying to decided between Thailand and the Philippines.

This is a far more interesting question than you may realize. Yes, most of the young ladies and gents speak English, of a sort. If you are hoping to discuss the virtues of Proust, pr pricing mechanisms in a free-market economy, don't. If you are attempting negotiations for time or services rendered, the general rule is YMMV (your mileage may vary). Conversations beyond this go:

Q What is a good restaurant? A. Jollibee's.

It isn't, at least if you are other than Filipino. I've never had any other restaurant specifically mentioned. Except once. Went to a decent pizza place with four young, yet appropriately aged, females. Otherwise, I tried hard to be the one choosing. Also, learn all the local words for rice. That way, you may get only one or two rice dishes with a meal. Of course, if you do, they will assume that you want more rice with that.

Q. What would you like to do? A. Karaoke / videoke. It helps a lot if you are also willing to sing.

[Goferring]

What is it with guys falling in love with BGs who are obviously still at work and / or rooting around?

It appears the primary sponsor of the BG in my holiday post has put two and two together, come up with fifteen and figured out what his "girlfriend" has been doing for the last two weeks. The solution?? Get her a passport, ship her off to Japan and live happily ever after. Of course she will never see anyone else or return to the bar when she's back in town. Well maybe just on days ending in "why".

Not the first time I have returned from a holiday with a busy girl to find a jealous sponsor who decides he will be able to "save" her and thinks he will be able to make a honest women out of her.

Good luck with taking the Bar out of the girl!

[Goferring]

Hi guys,

Just a post on a trip I am having to highlight some of the risks and rewards of taking a multi day / week trip with a..

OK, so the trip above is now finished. Her attitude improved over the second week but still wasn't all that I had hoped for.

My previous comments on what to do and watch for remain unchanged. The only addition would be that having a BG around also limits access to regular pinays as none would be seen with someone obviously traveling with a BG. Something to remember if you want to build contacts with regular girls or do some preparation for repeat visits.

People have various reasons for extended holidays with a BG. I'll comment on how well my trip went to meeting those:

The primary reason anyone brings a BG is "I want unlimited access to sex with a known, skilled provider". Achieved with distinction! Regardless of attitudes of her or me at the time, Service was always available when required and the skill and enthusiasm never dropped. If anything, sessions during frosty moments was more heated and passionate.

"I want to save money and not pay repeated bar fines and / or inflated service charges at remote or tourist areas". I spent 10 k per week for her, 14 k on airfares to two destinations and probably 2 k per day on her trips, trinkets and food. Surprisingly, food in tourist destinations was not a trivial cost. It literally cost more to feed her than fuck her. Do the math over 14 days and the exercise cost 60 k. In hindsight, this could have paid a lot of tourist mark ups for local short timers, a hell of a catch up blow out upon return to civilization or even an extension to the holiday.

"I want to take someone for company or to talk to". Clearly an absolute failure after the third day. It also severely restricted access and contact to other tourists and locals both pinay and visitors.

"I want to take someone with local knowledge / language and who can help organize local requirements". She was absolutely useless at organizing anything with tour offices, taxis etc. It didn't help that she is from Manila and doesn't speak Visayan.

So, would I do it again?

The only way I would do an extended trip again would be with a couple of guys and a few girls so that everyone has something to do and someone to speak with. In hind sight, one on one is only workable for short periods. The Service provided was great and I have no doubt we will catch up again back in her bar but it will be in much shorter periods and in areas where she can be traded out when it's time for a change.

If I was to do another multi week trip I would probably rely on sourcing local providers or if I did want to take someone, it would be multiple people for shorter periods each.

One thing that several people have mentioned (and she has done in the past) is taking a girl to mongering destinations eg. AC, Subic, Cebu etc. To me this is totally counter productive and I would not recommend it. Just recruit locally even if there is an extra tourist tax. It will work out easier in the long run.

[BrainDrain]

You really are a glass half-full kinda guy BD.

Thank you. The more I read the local press and see what happens at a local level in the news that we as visitors rarely see the more I realise it cam be a dangerous place. Rule 1, don't annoy the locals.

[Radical Guy]

Pre-nup boys. If you are American and considering marriage please be sure to get a pre-nup. If she objects, it's a red flag. A pre-nup only comes into effect if the marriage fails. Is she going into marriage thinking it will fail? Educate yourself on the legal process. She must have her own lawyer. It's beneficial to video tape the signing, with both lawyers there and both parties indicating that they are signing willingly. Pre-nup boys.

Prenups still have their limitations. I'm a family law attorney, and there are other issues that can sidestep a prenup. For example, a prenup cannot limit child support if she gets pregnant, or any other child issues. Additionally, if she is especially vicious, she may allege that you assaulted her, even going to lengths to falsify injuries (like cutting herself), so she can make a claim for tort damages, which would not be covered by a prenup. Bottom line is that there is no substitute for being very careful before committing to any woman.

RG.

[CallSign Papa]

If it is any consolation I have satisfied myself that in the event I become a target I won't really care. They seem to be reasonably good at hired hits so I will be dead, not crippled.

You really are a glass half-full kinda guy BD.

[BrainDrain]

Remember also that you cannot disinherit your wife. A will that tries to do it will not be enforced. Thus you may be worth more dead than you are alive. It won't take much encouragement for Cuja Renato to do away with you on a trip back to visit the inlaws knowing that he can hit up the newly minted widow for the cost of that expensive medical treatment he needs. I wouldn't marry a Filipina for love nor money.

The last quote I heard for doing away with a problematic wife or husband (or BF) on Mindanao was P5000. This included having the body sunk well offshore in the Pacific.

As Pompetus says, it's not too hard to do the mathematics, if your net work is greater than P5000 then you might be on their prospect list.

If it is any consolation I have satisfied myself that in the event I become a target I won't really care. They seem to be reasonably good at hired hits so I will be dead, not crippled.

BD.

[Member #4566]

Pre-nup boys. A pre-nup only comes into effect if the marriage fails. Pre-nup boys.

Remember also that you cannot disinherit your wife. A will that tries to do it will not be enforced. Thus you may be worth more dead than you are alive. It won't take much encouragement for Cuja Renato to do away with you on a trip back to visit the inlaws knowing that he can hit up the newly minted widow for the cost of that expensive medical treatment he needs. I wouldn't marry a Filipina for love nor money.

[Dg8787]

It is surprising that he was able to afford a Russian bride on his meager pension of $1500. That is not very far from the poverty line. Expecting his Russian bride to work and finance his retirement was a harebrained idea. It is not surprising that they both were unhappy in the marriage as both expected a free ride.

It seems like the men in your examples were poor and barely surviving even before marrying their Russian brides and not aspiring to improve their financial situations via other means than marriage. They had nothing to lose.

In cases where men actually have something to lose like a house and substantial assets and income, the odds of the woman getting the marital home are greatly increased if she is mail order bride who has children in the marriage. Divorce courts will put the interest of the children ahead of any rights and entitlements the man might think he has in the marital home. He also gets the benefit of paying child support in addition to alimony.

I think the guy married the Russian bride before retirement and she would be an extra pension fund for him.

Mail order brides do not have any more or less rights, with or without children than any other divorcing person.

You are wrong that the courts will place children's interest over and above the pre-existing marriage right to property and assets. Prior assets will remain sole and separate property as long as it is not co-mingled with community funds or assets. Period. It would be wise to get an appraisal to establish the value of assets prior to marriage.

Best to consult with an attorney over real facts than to generalize and promote woeful ex-husbands tales.

[Chocha Monger]

Must agree with DG. Those stories of the ex taking everything are from 20+years ago. Marriage / divorce laws are set by each state (not the federal government), but I'm no longer aware of states that have any laws pertaining to everything one person owns. States use community property laws, which consider property acquired during the date of marriage to the "effective date of separation" (not the date of divorce, which might be years later). The 'property' can be many things (real estate, income, etc) and generally excludes some things in different states (gifts and bequeaths). Have had 2 friends get divorced (9 and 13 years together with wives) from their (Russian) wives in 2 different states here in the last 2 years, and the same community property laws applied (the 2 wives get a monthly spousal support check for a period of time, several years, then it stops).

The concept of your spouse being entitled to *everything* seems to be fairly engrained. He / she is entitled to half off any marital property (or the value of it) gained only during the time of marriage. One of my buddies who is currently married to a Russian gal was quietly planning to divorce her a few years back. He was convinced that her family's estate (in Russia) was fairly massive, and even though they had been married only 2 years, that he was somehow entitled to half of it. I asked him to contact an attorney (he did), and he was sorely disappointed to find that he was not going to get anything from her side (she never worked during the marriage, and provided nothing to the community) and he might have to give her a small monthly spousal support from his retirement and also one of their 2 older vehicles. This idea is SO engrained, that recently the same gent told me over coffee...

It is surprising that he was able to afford a Russian bride on his meager pension of $1500. That is not very far from the poverty line. Expecting his Russian bride to work and finance his retirement was a harebrained idea. It is not surprising that they both were unhappy in the marriage as both expected a free ride.

It seems like the men in your examples were poor and barely surviving even before marrying their Russian brides and not aspiring to improve their financial situations via other means than marriage. They had nothing to lose.

In cases where men actually have something to lose like a house and substantial assets and income, the odds of the woman getting the marital home are greatly increased if she is mail order bride who has children in the marriage. Divorce courts will put the interest of the children ahead of any rights and entitlements the man might think he has in the marital home. He also gets the benefit of paying child support in addition to alimony.