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[Econo Tech]

i find the indignant outrage over the closing of la somewhat ludicrous. why should anyone be surprised? this is a completely corrupt country in which "strong men" rule according to their capricious natures. where was the moral outrage when journalists were killed, with the concomitant indifference, if not the compliance of the national government here? where was the outrage when the ampatuan compounds were raided and enough weapons to equip an army--provided again by the national government--were unearthed?

it's somewhat surprising to me, that in a country dominated by greed, violent intimidation and political chicanery, that feeds off of the misery of many of its own people, some guys out there become enraged at the disappearance of a source of low-cost hookers.

ge

if you can figure up the filipino mentality, let me know. i am half way through a book and hope to make it a study into the psyche of the filipinos.

example. when there is a fight of filipinos and non filipinos in singapore, the filipinos will all jump in to save their country man, and end up in jail, even though the fight was started by the filipino in the first place. the peso says "a filipino is worth dying for". or was it aquino who said it?: confused:

take shipping lines. over crowded, and from the days of dona paz and princess of the stars, nobody got compensated. and nobody bothers.

and when there are floods, enough people get killed, and you wouldn't believe that filipinos are fund raising to buy a motor boat for some of the flood prone areas. now don't tell me the billionnaire filipinos can't afford a few thousand $ to get a boat?

count the number of private jets and choppers, i am not kidding, the rich are freaky rich, and the poor and damn poor, and the poor. emotionally driven. get exploited for "edsa" style people power

what did cory do when she took over? maybe marcos had a better grip, but overall. nothing changed. cory's family still owns the huge hacienda and still employ people paying less than 5, 000 peso a month, whereas the whole country loves noynoy for his sacrificing the sirens and speeding of his convoy

and all noynoy is doing is blame everything on gloria. honestly, an american economist places gloria as the key for philippines not folding during the recent economic crisis, but who cares? she is not good, and noynoy will spend the next few years investigating her, and appointing committees

remember the smith [CodeWord123] case? who was fighting the case? some good-for-nothing ngo. spent thousands of $, money that could have gone to feed or educate enough and more. but then again. hey, we won our pride back by showing the americans they are loosers. the same americans that they are begging and bill for every us state officials visit. in millions

the whole point is. philipinos are emotionally driven to the extent that they can't figure out right or wrong. only what is 'power'. as i used to hear during the mlm presentations by filipino companies. they were ripping maids earning 300 s$ a month, by making them sign up for 1, 200 s$ and in exchange for 600$ worth of made-in-philippines merchandise. what does the maids think? they are happy for supporting the economy of philippines? dumb twits- the guys who run the mlm are making a killing. try reasoning with them? they will just say "our upline is damn power" or "more power"

if you had a chance to meet the types of lucio tan / sm group, and ayala group. you will know that their wealth is enough to make almost all poor filipinos live decently. but then again these are the same people who are 'helping' the nation by building housing and all stuff and making more money

it is all business.

ps: i hope i didn't cram the page with my own views.

[Red Kilt]

I find the indignant outrage over the closing of LA somewhat ludicrous. Why should anyone be surprised? This is a completely corrupt country in which "strong men" rule according to their capricious natures. Where was the moral outrage when journalists were killed, with the concomitant indifference, if not the compliance of the national government here? Where was the outrage when the Ampatuan compounds were raided and enough weapons to equip an army--provided again by the national government--were unearthed?

It's somewhat surprising to me, that in a country dominated by greed, violent intimidation and political chicanery, that feeds off of the misery of many of its own people, some guys out there become enraged at the disappearance of a source of low-cost hookers.

GE

Wow GE you stuck your neck out there but I am in total agreement with you. We both actually live here so we know how the locals suffer at the hands of those few very powerful people with all the money and clout.

I also do not like the way that so many guys who visit the PI for 2 weeks each year solely for mongering get so angry when the peso strengthens against the USD and decreases their purchasing power.
As somebody who lives here and interracts with pinoys on a daily basis in my work and social life I hope that the new Government can actually improve the economy here so that the 50% who live below the poverty line can have a better life.
I also hope that better job creation can mean less people are forced to go overseas to find a decent salary.

I do not enjoy reading comments hoping that the peso will weaken just so that guys can have a better holiday. I understand the philosophy but the sentiment is a tad selfish and demeaning to 100 million filipinos.

[GoodEnough]

I find the indignant outrage over the closing of LA somewhat ludicrous. Why should anyone be surprised? This is a completely corrupt country in which "strong men" rule according to their capricious natures. Where was the moral outrage when journalists were killed, with the concomitant indifference, if not the compliance of the national government here? Where was the outrage when the Ampatuan compounds were raided and enough weapons to equip an army--provided again by the national government--were unearthed?

It's somewhat surprising to me, that in a country dominated by greed, violent intimidation and political chicanery, that feeds off of the misery of many of its own people, some guys out there become enraged at the disappearance of a source of low-cost hookers.

GE

[Denom]

Most importantly we cannot work and support our loved ones and we don’t have their resources to repudiate these FALSE and BASELESS accusations against us

They really should set up a fund where interested parties could contribute. This could be a drop in the ocean but it's the least those who have been happy with LAC could do.

[Denom]

Great letter. Every bit may help. I doubt LAC would reopen soon though. If LIM sets his mind to close it and keep it closed there's little to be done. Mayors have near to absolute powers in the PH. Look at how many lost businesses generated by the closing of Bay Walk and nobody could ever do anything about it. But of course, one can always hope.

One of the things that could be played upon is the fact that, though prostitution is theoretically illegal in the Philippines, the business is booming in Angeles, with the apparent approval of authorities since it is a gold mine and every big hat gets his share of it. Closing LAC (on false accusation on top of that) is hypocritical. If they want to look into "trafficking" then take a look at Angeles. Many girls go there being promised a job in a restaurant, only to discover what their real duty is once on the premise and with no way of going back in the province. Pointing this out may help in mounting up the political pressure to get LAC to reopen.

I have not seen the least evidence of trafficking in LAC. The waitresses were there obviously on their own free will and, besides, I never succeeded in convincing any of the cutter ones they should come to the hotel with me. There obviously were many girls willing to go with foreigners but these were all freelancers who had nothing to do with the management. The no minor policy was also enforced to the point of being absurd - like no girls below 20 being allowed in and even the older ones looking too young being prevented to enter.

The closing of LAC is not only a loss for the area and the country, it also is totally unfair as based on absolutely false and fabricated accusations. It would be a shame if the justice system in the PH would not be able to redress that wrong.

[Oraclegururich]

I emailed the LA Cafe and they said they would definitely be opening soon but did not elaborate.

They also sent this letter in reply.

OPEN LETTER TO

Honorable Harry K. Thomas, Jr
Ambassador to the Philippines
United States Embassy
Roxas Boulevard
City of Manila

THE CHAIRMAN
COMMISSION OF HUMAN RIGHTS PHILIPPINES
SAAC BUILDING,
Commonwealth Avenue,
Quezon City

Ms. Elzadia Washington
USAID Philippines
Acting Mission Director
United Nations Avenue,
Ermita, City of Manila
infoph@usaid.gov

Mr Roger Carlson
USAID Philippines
Acting Deputy Mission Director
United Nations Avenue,
Ermita, City of Manila
infoph@usaid.gov

Dear Sirs / Madame,

The employees of LA Cafe would like to address the fabricated press releases and totally untrue allegations coming from an AMERICAN FUNDED group called International Justice Mission (IJM) under the leadership of a certainAtty Carmela Andal-Castro, IJM Field officer

IJM Philippines an American Funded group claim they donate large sums of money to Philippine Government organizations. Their money comes from donations from American tax payers via USAID and various American Agency's.

LA Cafe has been operating as a restaurant, live band , billiards bar similar to an American Theme Restaurant/Bar in Makati called Hard Rock Cafe since 1999 without any problem's ror issues affecting public morality or health. LA Cafe enjoys Worldwide renown and is a significant contributor to local Philippine employment and welfare.

LA Cafe is a member of the Manila Entertainment Music Lounge Association and has been accredited by the Department of Tourism Philippines (DOT) since 1999


In early 2007 the general manager of L A Cafe was attacked by an inebriatedAmerican National and as a direct consequence suffered a life threatening heart attack, resulting in a full heart by pass operation at the Philippine General Hospital

The General Manager of LA Cafe once released from hosiptal filed a case against the American National Mr. MARC EDWARD MC CABE / IS # 06-H-16862/ Address: 139 Blk 7 Sitio 3 Zone 7 Sto.Nino A. Bonifacio, Western Bicutan Taguig – who claims he works for USAID Philippines

McCabe, a US citizen claimed he was ”un-touchable” in the Philippines as he worked for USAID Philippines and would use his infuence, connections and position of authority to cause problems for LA Cafe if a case was taken against him.

This criminal case IS# 06-H-16862 can be verified by the Regional Trial Court of Manila – the criminal case is still being processed and continued.

Why did an American USAID supported group (IJM) start to harrass a legalFilipino business that EMPLOYS more than 190 FILIPINOS as waitresses , bar tenders, utility, chefs, live bands ,dj's, security guards, and administrative and purchasing staff? Workers who support their families and now have NO EMPLOYMENT!! thanks to the unfounded and untrue accusations and cases issued by IJM an American funded group, just a week after the case involving the USA National McCabe was elevated to court?

To compound matters and to highlight the level of vindictive behavior thrust upon this FILIPINO company by the AMERICAN funded group, IJM, several honest and hard working L.A Café waitresses have been accused by IJM of beingPROSTITUTES! These accusations were made nationally in our FILIPINOnewspapers giving no thought to the humiliation felt by hard working FILIPINASas the baseless lies are paraded in front of their families! These poor FILIPINA waitresses were even paraded like animals on Philippine national television (TV PATROL), accused and condemned as PROSTITUTES and CRIMINALS while wearing their work uniforms!!

The American sponsored group INTERNATIONAL JUSTICE MISSION are the entity that filed a complaint against LA Cafe with the Manila City Hall, as verified by the newspapers

The Manila Standard Newspaper even wrote in their article that Mayor Lim had previously closed LA Cafe which is un true and baseless.

How would AMERICANS react if we FILIPINOS marched into a Hard Rock Café in New York, or TGI Fridays in Los Angeles, a HOOTERS BAR in Las Vegasor any AMERICAN owned restaurant and accused AMERICAN waitresses of being sex workers, PIMPS and PROSTITUTES writing un founded allegations to your beloved Mayor!!

Would this ever happen to the American Franchise Chain's in the Philippines such as HOOTERS MANILA, HARD ROCK CAFE, TGI FRIDAYS, OUTBACK, CAFE HAVANA, CALIFORNIA PIZZA OVEN, MCDONALDS or the American Hotel Chains such as the MARRIOT PARANAQUE, HOLIDAY INN CLARK or the RENAISSANCE MAKATI where they have restaurants, bars and discos


These Filipina waitresses, supervisors and management all come from respectable Philippine famalies and are now branded as PROSTITUTES, PIMPS and CRIMINALS in their own Country the Philippines by thisAMERICAN funded organization IJM

There are many similar Filipino establishments within walking distance from LA Cafe such as HOOTERS Manila Bay, Hard Rock Cafe, Hobbit House, Cafe Havana, TGI Friday's, Cowboy Grill, which have never been a target of the American funded IJM and their vindictive operations against Filipino's

How can this American supported mission IJM ask for donation's from the American taxpayer for EVANGELICAL work here in our beloved Philippines whilst fabricating evidence and issuing affidavits against hard working Filipinos in our own Country, the Philippines?! All because the AMERICAN, McCABE got drunk and was sued correctly within OUR LEGAL SYSTEM???

Which legal Filipino establishment will this American Funded Group (IJM) target next and fabricate evidence against the management and have inocent Filipinos forced into jail while using American Tax Payers Money in our Country the Philippines

There are now four (4) FILIPINA'S who work for L. A. Cafe Restaurant/Bar as managers/supervisors facing LIFE IMPRISONMENT due to the total and baseless fabrication of evidence and sworn affidavits that they were pimpingPROSTITUTES and are themselves PROSTITUTES

Their names have been published in all the National Newspapers by the American funded IJM using American Tax Payers money

Amazingly there are two (2) Filipina customers of LA Cafe who the American funded IJM
claim worked in L. A. Cafe, the management of LA Cafe has no record of there persons nor knowledge who they are.

The final detainee does not work for LA Cafe but is the manager of LA Cafe Annex in the adjacent building which is a small billiard hall employing 14 Filipino waitresses, utility and security. This small billiard hall is also closed due to fabricated allegations depriving its Filipino employees their constitutional right to work and support their families thanks to IJM.

All the employees of LA Cafe have valid work/health permits issued by Manila City Hall

Does the RAID on LA Cafe during a 2010 World Cup Soccer game and live performing Live Bands at 10.30pm at night have anything to do with the vendeta of the American National who claims to be a USAID employee who was aREGULAR CUSTOMER of LA Cafe until his drunken fit of rage with his Filipina girlfriend against the General Manager of LA Cafe??

L. A. Cafe has a very clear Policy with our 12 security guards managed by anhonorable decorated retiried Filipino Colonel that NO MINORS are to enter the premises as ordered by Manila City Hall even though we are just a public restaurant and bar. The NO MINORS policy is clearly shown at the entrance and throughout the premises with prominent signs. Any minor who is out after 10 pm is a violation of Manila City Ordinance 8046 and responsibility of the parents, barangay officials and police.

No Philippine National is forced to work at L. A. Cafe as claimed by the American IJM Group. This idea is RIDICULOUS, BASELESS and is a TOTAL FABRICATION!! The AMERICANS have their own history of SLAVERY, we proud FILIPINOS DO NOT !!!

How interesting is that many United States of America DIPLOMATSfrequent LA Cafe (since its opening) and know personally the employees now held in jail, due to the fabricated affidavits of an agency that they support, The IJM!

How ironic that the United States of America Philippines Embassy held a going away party for an American DIPLOMAT at LA Cafe recently, the Embassy department even more ironically was NCIS (Strategic Investigations) of the United States of America in the Philippines

This is NOT A FABRICATION unlike the baseless claims of IJM the LA Cafe has 16 CCTV Cameras constantly monitoring the premises for the protection of us the staff and its customers. CCTV footage can SUPPORT ANY counter claims made by LA Café against IJM and their hypocritical American supporters.

Many foreign and Filipino executives are customers of LA Cafe both female and male personalities including famous actors, actresses and sportsmen. The LA Café is a tourist attraction and brings foreign money to our country and to our community, helping to support our local families.

LA Cafe proudly sponsors, as being the largest billiard venue in Manila (On and off) the following famous athletes and done since opening in 1999 with pride

Manny Pacquiao Pound for Pound greatest boxer in the World
Bobby Pacquiao Former Asia Pacific Boxing Champion
Efren ”Bata” Reyes Hall of Fame Billiard Player and many times over Wold Champion
Francisco Bustmante Former World Number 1 Billiard Player
Marlon Manalo World number 6 Billiard Player
Jeff De Luna Professional Pool Player
Alex Pagulayan World 2004 Billiard Champion
Roberto Gomes World 9 ball Runner up
Darren Appelton World number 1 English Pool player British
Karl Boyles UK World 8 Ball Champion
Rudolfo Luat Former world number 1 9 ball billiard player
Ronny Alcano World 9 and 10 ball champion
Steve Davis Number 1 paid UK athlete in 1988 and World Snooker Champion
Dennis Orcollo Current World Number 1 Billiard Player

LA Cafe is the proud Sponsor of MP Warriors General Santos Basketball Team.

LA Cafe arrange regular live exhibitions by these athletes, two weeks ago there was an exhibition billiard game featuring Efren ”Bata” Reyes a Filipino icon

Two live band's perform daily on the second floor where the American funded IJM claim is located a sex den

The second floor has live bands, 4 billiard tables, eating area and an extensive wine cellar

There are NO PRIVATE VIP rooms anywhere in LA Cafe

LA Cafe bands are auditioned by both International and American Hotel chains from Guam, Dubai, Singapore, Hong Kong, China and Malaysia.

The bands from LA Cafe then receive legal contracts to work throughout the world as a performing artists.Something we FILIPINO's can be proud of. Does this constitute [CodeWord908] as alleged by American funded IJM

The World famous Filipino Artists that have and until last week did perform in the LA Cafes second floor, claimed to be a SEX DEN by the AMERICAN IJM, include

Ramon ”RJ” Jacinto Rock and Roll Legend of the Philippines
Freddie ”Anak” Aguilar (For over 10 years) KA Freddie
Side A
Freestyle
Aegis
(Francis Magalona)
Andrew E
Southborder
Cushe
Highway 69
Christoper De Leon
Air Supply International Band
And two (2) local bands daily who vary from day to day.

Manila Dogs Golf Club (500 Members) which was founded by LA Cafe and has been the home of the club since 2001, have their weekly prize giving at LA Cafe.

Players include both male and female diplomats from many Embassies including the United States of America

Palugaw Soup Kitchen for the Ermita Street Children

Every weekend LA Cafe sponsors Palugaw Soup Kitchen with the Barangay 668 to feed the street children of Ermita, this will now be cancelled due to the closure of LA Cafe thereby depriving Filipino Street Children the opportunity of a full meal once a week due to the American Funded IJM

Should IJM not use their American funded resources to feed and help these innocent street children in Ermita which LA Cafe has done for years instead of closing legitimate business for their own personal gain for more funding from America

We the employees of LA Cafe request that this American funded IJM be stopped from continuing to use American Tax payers money to make victims of innocent Filipinos! We are perfectly able in our own country to control our own affairs and do not need to be bullied by some HYPOCRITICAL American funded mission

The American funded IJM are wasting the time of the Philippine courts while making Millions of Peso's for themselves from the donations given to them by American Agencies and the American “man in the street”. Most importantly we cannot work and support our loved ones and we don’t have their resources to repudiate these FALSE and BASELESS accusations against us

FINALLY WE THE EMPLOYEES OF LA CAFE HAVE LEGAL DOCUMENTS AND SIGNED AFFIDAVITS PROVING THAT IJM AN AMERICAN FUNDED MISSION ARE USING AMERICAN DOLLARS TO OBTAIN FALSE AFFIDAVITS FROM THIRD PARTIES TO CRIMINALLY PROSECUTE INNOCENT FILIPINOS SO THEY CAN JUSTIFY THEMSELVES TO THEIR AMERICAN HEAD QUARTERS TO RECEIVE MORE FUNDING FOR THEIR PERSONAL GAIN AT THE EXPENSE OF FILIPINOS

Mabuhay!

Employees Crisis Commitee of L A Cafe

[WestCoast1]

Actually I'm very pleased with the results. Its a really compact easy to use machine. In good lighting the pics are excellent, in low lighting the pics are much more grainy so if you wish to spend more money this is a feature you should focus on.

LOL

They sell an external light (similar to an external flash unit for a camera) for camcorders. Its wonderful for low-light situations, as most asian motels don't have an overhead light or enough light for photography.

[Blackangst]

the aug harry the horse issue is out. http://www.harrythehorse.com/2010/august.htm

there is an open letter posted to honorable harry k. thomas, jr, american ambassador to the philippines, the chairman, commission of human rights, philippines, ms. elzadia, usaid philippines and mr. roger carlson, usaid philippines regarding the lac closing and addressing accusations that lac staff were pimping, whoring, and soliciting. its a decent read. it goes to great lengths showing the accusations are false, and address possible motives for the accusations.

a few highlights:

the employees of la cafe would like to address the fabricated press releases and totally untrue allegations coming from an american funded group called international justice mission (ijm) under the leadership of a certain atty carmela andal-castro, ijm field officer. ijm philippines an american funded group claim they donate large sums of money to philippine government organizations.

the general manager of la cafe once released from hospital filed a case against the american national mr. marc edward mc cabe / is # 06-h-16862/ address: 139 blk 7 sitio 3 zone 7 sto.nino a. bonifacio, western bicutan taguig – who claims he works for usaid philippines. mccabe, a us citizen claimed he was "un-touchable" in the philippines as he worked for usasid philippines and would use his infuence, connections and position of authority to cause problems for la cafe if a case was taken against him. this criminal case is# 06-h-16862 can be verified by the regional trial court of manila – the criminal case is still being processed and continued.

why did an american usaid supported group (ijm) start to harrass a legal filipino business that employs more than 190 filipinos as waitresses , bar tenders, utility, chefs, live bands ,dj's, security guards, and administrative and purchasing staff? workers who support their families and now have no employment!! thanks to the unfounded and untrue accusations and cases issued by ijm an american funded group, just a week after the case involving the usa national mccabe was elevated to court?

the american sponsored group international justice mission are the entity that filed a complaint against la cafe with the manila city hall, as verified by the newspapers. the manila standard newspaper even wrote in their article that mayor lim had previously closed la cafe which is un true and baseless. how would americans react if we filipinos marched into a hard rock café in new york, or tgi fridays in los angeles, a hooters bar in las vegas or any american owned restaurant and accused american waitresses of being sex workers, pimps and prostitutes writing un founded allegations to your beloved mayor!!

l. a. cafe has a very clear policy with our 12 security guards managed by an honorable decorated retiried filipino colonel that no minors are to enter the premises as ordered by manila city hall even though we are just a public restaurant and bar. the no minors policy is clearly shown at the entrance and throughout the premises with prominent signs. any minor who is out after 10 pm is a violation of manila city ordinance 8046 and responsibility of the parents, barangay officials and police. no philippine national is forced to work at l. a. cafe as claimed by the american ijm group. this idea is ridiculous, baseless and is a total fabrication!! the americans have their own history of slavery, we proud filipinos do not !!! (ok, ouch lol...comment mine)

and this interesting note at the end:

harry, to give the truth, la cafe was just to give lim some promotion. i worked there for many years, all workers are over 18, they don't hire **** females. the boarding house out back is for girls who don't have a home and they can stay there, they have a security guard to keep out males. there were no **** girls there. this is usually a police setup as many times in the past, same here. la will reopen this month. that's a fact, mike (i know that the la cafe was a popular hang-out and that many, many lady customers were part of its popularity, but they were not employees. it will be interesting to see if your prediction comes true)

we'll see!

[Red Wine]

I have a friend who lies for social reason, because if he tells them the truth, that he is not married, he is met with incredulous comments and a barrage of questions as to "why" he is not married at his age. So he tells them that he is divorced, which spares him from this grilling.

If you are of a certain age and not married, Filipinas and Filipinos will think that there is something wrong with you (which in fact is true, since being a sex tourists is "wrong"). They will call you "butterfly" and "babaero".

If, on the other hand, you are married but also support several other women for sex, they will find this perfectly acceptable - even though it is in fact less commendable from a moral point of view.

There are, after all, not that many differences between Christians and Muslims. At the end, it amounts to the same. Muslims can have many wives, but often can't afford it. Rich Christians do have many wives, just like rich Muslims do. At the end, it just amounts to a matter of wealth. The difference is that Christians are hypocrite about it.

Like they say, "cash is king."

[GregLondon]

I recently decided to invest in a HD Camcorder to record some of my recent exploits for posterity. I already had a reasonably decent video capability on my digital cam so hitherto I had thought it not worth getting a specialist camcorder.

I bought the cheapest Japanese branded one I could find with HD capability. The Chinese ones were about 30% cheaper but I prefer to go with a brand I'm familiar with. As I'm in the Phils I had to settle for a slightly out of date and over priced model cf that available in West. The Sanyo Xacti VPC HD700 for 11,000P here in the Phils.

Actually I'm very pleased with the results. Its a really compact easy to use machine. In good lighting the pics are excellent, in low lighting the pics are much more grainy so if you wish to spend more money this is a feature you should focus on.

I found its really better to have a spare person to take the recordings whilst you are fucking, another reason for getting 2 or more very open minded girls. LOL

[Cunning Stunt]

I once challenged a missionary...

There's something vaguely funny about this:). Like I've always wanted to meet a missionary and ask him if his position was safe.

Except that he had probably heard the same tired joke a million times.

[Denom]

How many of these same guys tell the girls that they are not married (when they are); divorced (when they are not) don't have kids (when they do), looking for a possible pinay wife (when they are not), plan to settle here (when they aren't and cannot anyway) and so on?

I have a friend who lies for social reason, because if he tells them the truth, that he is not married, he is met with incredulous comments and a barrage of questions as to "why" he is not married at his age. So he tells them that he is divorced, which spares him from this grilling.

If you are of a certain age and not married, Filipinas and Filipinos will think that there is something wrong with you (which in fact is true, since being a sex tourists is "wrong"). They will call you "butterfly" and "babaero".

If, on the other hand, you are married but also support several other women for sex, they will find this perfectly acceptable - even though it is in fact less commendable from a moral point of view.

There are, after all, not that many differences between Christians and Muslims. At the end, it amounts to the same. Muslims can have many wives, but often can't afford it. Rich Christians do have many wives, just like rich Muslims do. At the end, it just amounts to a matter of wealth. The difference is that Christians are hypocrite about it.

[Red Kilt]

..............
Just wondering if any readers are the same as my mate. That is, you think pinays are liars but it's OK to tell them a heap of lies about yourself too.

With all due respect to those who commented on "lies", I was not referring to the fact that filipinas tell lies. That is established as a very well-known fact.

My major point was that many of the guys who call filipinas all manner of names for being chronic liars also tell the most blatant lies to the girls too. I am bemused by this anomaly and even more amused by the way that it is rationalised away by the same guys when they are challenged about it.

Econotech knew what I was saying when he mentioned the tolerance levels.

[Econo Tech]

We are on vacation correct? So do you really want to hear, "I have three kids at home and support my Filipino husbands' drinking, cockfighting, and yaba addiction by fucking various foreign men throughout the month. Oh yea, and your number 35 this month so just short of fucking my ear I hope you don't get VD, warts, or Chlamydia because I was 'sick' the day I was supposed to go to hygiene".

One word "GRABE"

This is getting hilarious. I wonder if the whiners are just out of college or have never had any experience with women. OR. Just assumed that since back home women are screwed up, Asian women will be as they are promoted "obedient, subservient, and never saying no, and always willing to oblige". Forgetting that people are people where-ever they are.

It is just. In Asia, when an Asian screws up, it is bad, but when a westerner screws up, just the tolerance is a bit higher, but that also has a break point.

The classic example I hear from my friends. When an Europeans talks about positions with Asian girls, the girls go "wow, you europeans are so open minded about sex. " and when an Asian guys pips in. With similar comments, the girls go "damn pervert. "

So. The grass is always greener. Doesn't mean anything else.

[Radoboy]

Women are deceivers. In every culture. What do you think make up is? Nothing but deception. Since Eve if you want to get philosophical.

I once challenged a missionary to ask his good wife if women deceive men. Her answer? "well if the men allow themselves to be deceived" Se how they twist their didhonesty to mak it our fault? Which meets my second point. Women are far better verbal creatures. They manipulate and manage and hurt men with words.

When a man sometimes finally retaliates physically. He wasn't the aggressor or the initiator. He is still WRONG, but often not the initiator.

I guarantee – they will see past your bald faced lies. And choose to ignore it, for their own benefit.

The fun part is when you call their bs: New shoes dear? Her" no I've had them for ages " Him " lucky that they are the new seasons colors" haha

Its a game A sport. Find one who is 100% straight and no natter how ugly marry her Or send her to me and I will

From a movie I like: Man us the head of the house- but the woman is the neck: and she can turn the head anyway she likes.

Pinays lie as a way of surviving. They live in large families and in close housing there is no privacy. Plus they are free Islander like people oppressed by old Spanish Catholic moralities. SO the ONLY way to survive, to stay sane, is to lie, lie alone. Lie in teams. I have seen it done as a way of life in 3 Filipino families and am convinced it's the norm.

Pretending to ignore the lie. Also seems to be part of how the game is played. I hate it.