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[Martians]

Interesting post. Comparing posters on the Philippines thread with those on the Argentina thread, there seems to be no equivalent of Dickhead. I mean no one seems to go native or near native price wise.

Your first mate, $1,200 a month, that would be big money in Davao. Why can he not live on half of that, keeping the other half for back up? I imagine, lke Thailand, a goodly number of foreigners [CodeWord140] it all way and then wake up.

Also, some of your other examples bought houses. But foreigners can't own houses, right? Davao girls do sound a better bet than Angeles bicycles.

Wander Luster: some good ideas there. But I wonder how dependable the Pinoys would be for outsourcing work? Not very, I should imagine.

[Wander Luster]

Here's my take on some costs:

Best deals are service related:

Haircut is I about $1 for same as a $15 cut in usa.
Legit message is one of best deals...yep, $5 and I recomment a GUY and let him be a little on the rougher side (wear some body armor around private parts if your scared). I go to Body and Sol, and so should you. When a woman does it I there I tend to get a woody which can be frustrating because I don't even think you could get a hand-job at any of Body and Sol.

I paid a crazy low price for a beutiful 1 bedroom fully furnished...forget maybe $220 8 minute drive to Ayala. Maid came once a week. Adorable 20 year old lived with the family that owned the building and washed clothes. Would have loved to bone her, but they already saw me come home with different girls all the time and someone might have gotten pissed at me.

On another note, the best peice of advice I have is do outsourcing! Doesn't matter what the scale is. Point is if you have contact in the US you can save them money by have the work done in the phils and be giving work and better pay to someone that reallllllly needs it.

Think of simple computer work for example. be the go between for 1 or more small businesses and people in cebu. run an ad to recruit people (and if you can't hire them they might end up wanting to sleep with you). Office is your home or Net cafe if you want.

A 1/4 page ad in the mostly highly read sunday employment section, sun star, is about $125. Interviews in cafe...that's what i did before signing office space.

With an ad like that you could easily get 200 applicants for siimple computer work. NETWORK this way. Just don't BS, because you don't want people getting pissed off at you.

By the way, it's been asked a million times I'm sure, but what do you all think the ASEAN summit will do for real estate investment? It will bring a lot of new biz to cebu and make the city more prosperous. Will also bring new RE investors with the new jobs.

Is there any kind of buble there now? I wouldn't be wanting to buy for another 6-12 months.

How do condo and housing costs in good areas compare to in average places in US? I guess on average about 60K for a nice "foreigner" 1 bedroom condo in cebu....something like that. Haven't looked at houses yet but I think 150K could buy a pretty nice house that would be 300K in US in a very average US neighborhood?

[John Dust]

Cut through all the BS and My monthly expenses come to around P60,000 a month. My expenses in Davao were a bit less. This includes a stipend of course to needy relatives and Nieces nursing school. Yeah YOU are gonna end up paying the relative tax here IF you got a steady GF or wife so get used to it!

Hope this helps, I imagine Manila expenses are gonna be more.

Spamhog

That was very helpful. It seems that living expenses in Cebu / Davao are 20% to 25% of those which one would incur in Canada.

[Spam Hog]

Here you can live reasonably well for 1000 dollars a month.Heres a breakdown rent 100 dollars for a decent apartment,40 dollars maids salary for 1 month,Cost of eating out DAILY for Lunch and Dinner at Midrange restaurants 100 -120 dollars.Girl on Junquera 10 dollars,Girl at bar 20-30 dollars,Beer at a Bar sixty cents.Massage at a Spa 5 dollars.Have fun

Perhaps Earl Flynn exemplified hollywoods version of a "swashbuckler" and coined the term in reference to his movies meaning anything but dull and usually colorful, full of action etc, however, some say his private life was more ribal,exciting, exhuberant and well... anyhow a few technical answers.

Regarding income and living large it depends on what you consider extravagant also, as any real estate agent will tell you Location, location, location. So here are a few figures from different areas. Please NOTE all theese number are DIRRECTLY RELATED TO YOUR BIGGEST EXPENSE: THE RENT!!! so here goes.

A. DAVAO CITY. Retired, disabled, lives on social security of about $1,200 a month, rents a house P 12,000 a month which is "Foreigner grade" amenities including hot water heater) has a nice wife and two kids. She drives him around in a little van, Lives very well considering he was living in his parents basement three years ago.

B. DAVAO CITY, Retired, Social security $1,100, NO SAVINGS, married young wife just had a baby, bought a house for P 1.3 mil. furnished, nice, guy is a master chef his kitchen looks like something martha STuart would whip up a meal in.

C. Cagayan De oro, US Military Disabled, I estimate around $2500 a month. His rent is cheap around P5000 a month for a three BR Apartment. Bought his wife a car, Guys drinks a lot too.

D. Know a Aussie in CDO who just bought a nice house near the new SM mall paid around 2 Mil P for it, place looks like a palace, Big Screen TV etc.

E. Guy in Butuan runs a small fishing trading business, wife owns a beauty parlor, claims he lives entirely on his income from the fish, I estimate about P30,000 a month saves his pension to go back to Aussie land every year.

E. CEbU, break down of Bills etc.

Most rents here range from Cheap (P 7,500 for an efficiency apartment) to rather expensive like P25,000 for a two story house and lot some Expat US is advertising completely furnished. I rent a nice house in a Guarded subdivision for P14,000 a month. Prices to rent or buy are a little more here, compared to Davao city and CDO. Rents and buys are cheaper in Mandaue or Lapu Lapu city but not that much.

MY BILLS:

Electricity P1200 to P2,000 a month depending on AC and computer use

Cable. P690 a month, Phone (PLDT) P720 unless I start making long distance to the US without using a phone card, Water (Bi monthly) P366.

Some other expenses: Drinking water P180 A month,
Cell phone: Me negligable Mrs Spamhog who texts the world about P1000 a month. Insurance for Car P8,500 a year. Gym Fees P 800 to P1000 a month.

FOOD: Here is the big variable, gnetleman I like my US cereal and campbelss soup etc. This is my largest expense outside of Rent, Also a varienace on entertainment depending onwhat you like to do. I dont drink or smoke, usually take the Mrs out dancing every so often, somethimes go to Casino Filipino or visit a nice resturaunt like the tinderbox where I can get western food, Movies of course.

Cut through all the BS and My monthly expenses come to around P60,000 a month. My expenses in Davao were a bit less. This includes a stipend of course to needy relatives and Nieces nursing school. Yeah YOU are gonna end up paying the relative tax here IF you got a steady GF or wife so get used to it!

Hope this helps, I imagine Manila expenses are gonna be more.

Spamhog

[Cebu Local]

SpamHog,

When you say that someone with a "western income" can live like a feudal warlord, how much income are you talking about? I'm thinking about moving to the PI sometime in the future & although I make a pretty good income in the U.S. & have a 401k and a little other savings, I don't have a fortune saved up. I wouldn't need to live like a king, but would like to live decently & I wonder how much monthly or yearly I might need somewhere like Cebu. Obviously, it would depend on how much you spend, but if you or anyone else can give me any rough ideas, I'd appreciate it.

Here you can live reasonably well for 1000 dollars a month.Heres a breakdown rent 100 dollars for a decent apartment,40 dollars maids salary for 1 month,Cost of eating out DAILY for Lunch and Dinner at Midrange restaurants 100 -120 dollars.Girl on Junquera 10 dollars,Girl at bar 20-30 dollars,Beer at a Bar sixty cents.Massage at a Spa 5 dollars.Have fun

[Cebu Local]

Sorry for foolish question, but what the heck is a "swashbuckler"?
Me from Europe, never heard the word........ Some US or Aussie slang word?
Cheers!

Its a synonym for PIRATE.You know seeking adventure,wenches,treasure etc.

[Ekspat]

PPS You guys are EXACTLY what Im am talking about when I say ....Swashbucklers!!!
The Spamhog

Sorry for foolish question, but what the heck is a "swashbuckler"?
Me from Europe, never heard the word........ Some US or Aussie slang word?
Cheers!

[Steve74]

SpamHog,

When you say that someone with a "western income" can live like a feudal warlord, how much income are you talking about? I'm thinking about moving to the PI sometime in the future & although I make a pretty good income in the U.S. & have a 401k and a little other savings, I don't have a fortune saved up. I wouldn't need to live like a king, but would like to live decently & I wonder how much monthly or yearly I might need somewhere like Cebu. Obviously, it would depend on how much you spend, but if you or anyone else can give me any rough ideas, I'd appreciate it.

Somewhere else on this board I told one of the brethern who I thought was interested in moving to the Phils permanently that one could live like a "fuedal warlord", I was quite suprised at his response which included vilification heaped upon yours truly and others, but since I appear to be dealing with sane ration people here let me repeat:

In the Philippines and in most of Asia one with a western "income" be it pension, 401 K or just doing well in business can live like a Fuedal warlord. Servants, high walls, security subdivisions, people treating you like you are special even though your just another Joe average.

Just a note, the Spamhog lives on a generous US pension, dabbles in "consulting" here and there and sometimes plays the US stock market (Experimenting in the Philippines stock exchange lately also). Of all the worries I have, those financial are the LEAST, how many of the brethern living in the Western world can say that??? I have a very good lifestyle indeed. Just finished a tour of Hong Kong and Macau with my lady, had a great time, now thinking about Thailand after the first of the year.

But as Cebu local says, it aint all a bed of Roses, there IS A DOWNSIDE. Having lived, worked and mongered in Davao, Cagayan De Oro and now living in CEBU I must say there are things I miss about the good ol US, so it is a trade off.

Yes the ladies are the main atttraction and dont take this wrong but after a while the mongering lifestyle appeals to those who first arrive here but after awhile the novelty wears off and you will be looking for some stability. But first you must play around so Wander luster and the rest of you guys by all means visit and enjoy the PI but also use it as a central base from which to launch your mongering operations to Thailand, Singapore and Hong kong.

PS Wander luster if you do get to the Phils and want to have a sit down, just PM me and I'll give you my digits, I now reside in Cebu and I suggest you look into the place, better by far than Manila, lots of growth potential for new businesses of ANY sort and an international airport, cost of living cheaper than Manila too.

PPS You guys are EXACTLY what Im am talking about when I say ....Swashbucklers!!!

To HORSE! HAHHAHAHA! (Or is it "horse style"???)

The Spamhog

[Spam Hog]

Somewhere else on this board I told one of the brethern who I thought was interested in moving to the Phils permanently that one could live like a "fuedal warlord", I was quite suprised at his response which included vilification heaped upon yours truly and others, but since I appear to be dealing with sane ration people here let me repeat:

In the Philippines and in most of Asia one with a western "income" be it pension, 401 K or just doing well in business can live like a Fuedal warlord. Servants, high walls, security subdivisions, people treating you like you are special even though your just another Joe average.

Just a note, the Spamhog lives on a generous US pension, dabbles in "consulting" here and there and sometimes plays the US stock market (Experimenting in the Philippines stock exchange lately also). Of all the worries I have, those financial are the LEAST, how many of the brethern living in the Western world can say that??? I have a very good lifestyle indeed. Just finished a tour of Hong Kong and Macau with my lady, had a great time, now thinking about Thailand after the first of the year.

But as Cebu local says, it aint all a bed of Roses, there IS A DOWNSIDE. Having lived, worked and mongered in Davao, Cagayan De Oro and now living in CEBU I must say there are things I miss about the good ol US, so it is a trade off.

Yes the ladies are the main atttraction and dont take this wrong but after a while the mongering lifestyle appeals to those who first arrive here but after awhile the novelty wears off and you will be looking for some stability. But first you must play around so Wander luster and the rest of you guys by all means visit and enjoy the PI but also use it as a central base from which to launch your mongering operations to Thailand, Singapore and Hong kong.

PS Wander luster if you do get to the Phils and want to have a sit down, just PM me and I'll give you my digits, I now reside in Cebu and I suggest you look into the place, better by far than Manila, lots of growth potential for new businesses of ANY sort and an international airport, cost of living cheaper than Manila too.

PPS You guys are EXACTLY what Im am talking about when I say ....Swashbucklers!!!

To HORSE! HAHHAHAHA! (Or is it "horse style"???)


The Spamhog

[Wander Luster]

I can only wish you all the best in your decision to try life in the Visayas.But I want to warn you Its not going to be a bed of roses.You will need to work hard and have a bit of luck.Basically though Cebu has become a little too small for me,That is why I started exploring Business oppurtunities in Manila ,Davao and China.
But you will be able to live extremely well in Cebu for a fraction of what it would cost in North America.To cite my personal example,My brothers graduated with MBA s from Stanford and MIT and opted to work for Multinationals for six figure salaries.But even with those salaries and the cost of living in San Francisco and New York.They have much lower standards of living then I do.I opted to follow the path of the entreprenuer and am the only one without an ivy league MBA.But again I feel the need for challenge,since doing business in Cebu no longer challenges me.Spam Hog hit it on the nail,that it takes a Swashbuckler personality to try a different path then your kith and kin.Growing up in a well off family in Vancouver should have geared me to a safe path with a Multinational company,But I found life too boring in Canada and that is what brought me to the PI to try my luck here.Good luck and Best Wishes on following the path less trodden.

CB,

I've always admired and learned a ton from all the great advise you've given on this board. Actually, I think you and I have a lot in common. Your family situation and mine is the same. As far as Cebu being too small, that's why I will be working on the road a lot. I can work from other cities for months at a time if I want and be in touch with my office.

Also, I'm "on an island" there work-wise. My office may as well be in a bubble there. All the work I do is for US IT clients. My only work interaction in cebu is with employees-- who I enjoy very much.

I do zero business in Cebu itself.

"life to boringing Canada....". Same for me. I just can't imagine a life in the suburbs with the picket fence and the contsraints and lack of freedom.

I'm looking forware to meeting you sometime. I bet i've seen you after spending 12 of the past 24 hours there. I'll be doing a lot of travel from Cebu, so I would look forward to buying some plaine tickes to other gems of the world like Bangkok and Phnom Pehn.

Cheers.

[HenryV]

Greetings from one former coal-cracker to another. Comforting to know some of us made it out.

Wander:

Sorry about not getting back to you but I was in Hong Kong & Macau with the Mrs spending all my money etc. Anyhow a belated reply re your decision and a few of my cockeyed philosophies:


And my big question is....do you feel like you need a soul-mate. I hate even using the word, but is life like yours (which sounds like what mine would be) "lonely". I think if I were living off too little money it would. But to be able to travel in SEA and have at least decent money to kick around. Well, that may bridge the gap.

To sum up, every body needs somebody, we are genetically engineered to
seek a mate, sow our genes and pass them on just like a bull among cows.
Thats nature, now what seperates us from animals (Or from some mongers on this board he he he) is our need to be with one person, raise a family, care for that family and provide for them. It depends on how you were raised, I came from Irish working class stock, coal miners and grew up in western Penna in the fifties and sixties. Divorce came hard for me, I understand that it can be a scary thing even for us big tough guys, the feasr of the unknown is what is holding you back, it was for me and Im not ashamed to admidt it, thought I could salvage a marriage but I couldn't and didn't. leaving my culture and dwelling among strange peoples was equally scary but here is where the "swashbuckler" theory comes in, read on and I'll explain.

"I have an itch to live in the Phils and also work from the road in other countries. That's the other thing, I'm in IT, so I can do a lot of work from the road. Like Bankok road or Phnom Penh road."

All other suggestions more than welcome! Thanks Spamhog!

AHA!!! A fellow swashbuckler!!!! Yes wander you are what the SH calls a Swashbuckler, (Like most of the people on this board!) Do you read? Well get ahold of James Mitchner (Spelling?) Author of "Hawaii" and read his book
"Rogues and rascals in Paradise" He chronicles true storys of our forebearers the original expats who first came to Asia through and after WW2.

You see, I agree with the authors acessment that some men yearn to live among alien people in "tropical paradise" setting, a place on the beach with a warm, willing, uninhibited brown woman. To adventure, the conquest that is what drives us, not just laying LBFM but the whole experience, business the desire to succeed against a culture that is against you, earn fantastic wealth just like the early "yankee traders" who set foot on stange lands and wrested
a fortune from it , damn all risk and danger. Nowadays we dont get on a ship and stuff a cutlass in our belts we come here armed with credit cards and
western inginuity using the skills we learned in our world to get by and profit in this one. It takes balls Wander, just to live here but once you do you weill see the kick you get from it.

The phils is centrally locted and you can always hop on a plane and go to bangkok for a hoot in nanplaza or "the png" or even to singapore with it high brow mongering or to hongkong and stay out all night in "the Wanch"

Get over your fears, muster your finances, work out a plan and do it!

Good luck


Spamhog[/QUOTE]

[Cebu Local]

I can only wish you all the best in your decision to try life in the Visayas.But I want to warn you Its not going to be a bed of roses.You will need to work hard and have a bit of luck.Basically though Cebu has become a little too small for me,That is why I started exploring Business oppurtunities in Manila ,Davao and China.
But you will be able to live extremely well in Cebu for a fraction of what it would cost in North America.To cite my personal example,My brothers graduated with MBA s from Stanford and MIT and opted to work for Multinationals for six figure salaries.But even with those salaries and the cost of living in San Francisco and New York.They have much lower standards of living then I do.I opted to follow the path of the entreprenuer and am the only one without an ivy league MBA.But again I feel the need for challenge,since doing business in Cebu no longer challenges me.Spam Hog hit it on the nail,that it takes a Swashbuckler personality to try a different path then your kith and kin.Growing up in a well off family in Vancouver should have geared me to a safe path with a Multinational company,But I found life too boring in Canada and that is what brought me to the PI to try my luck here.Good luck and Best Wishes on following the path less trodden.

[Wander Luster]

Wander:

Sorry about not getting back to you but I was in Hong Kong & Macau with the Mrs spending all my money etc. Anyhow a belated reply re your decision and a few of my cockeyed philosophies:


And my big question is....do you feel like you need a soul-mate. I hate even using the word, but is life like yours (which sounds like what mine would be) "lonely". I think if I were living off too little money it would. But to be able to travel in SEA and have at least decent money to kick around. Well, that may bridge the gap.

To sum up, every body needs somebody, we are genetically engineered to
seek a mate, sow our genes and pass them on just like a bull among cows.
Thats nature, now what seperates us from animals (Or from some mongers on this board he he he) is our need to be with one person, raise a family, care for that family and provide for them. It depends on how you were raised, I came from Irish working class stock, coal miners and grew up in western Penna in the fifties and sixties. Divorce came hard for me, I understand that it can be a scary thing even for us big tough guys, the feasr of the unknown is what is holding you back, it was for me and Im not ashamed to admidt it, thought I could salvage a marriage but I couldn't and didn't. leaving my culture and dwelling among strange peoples was equally scary but here is where the "swashbuckler" theory comes in, read on and I'll explain.

"I have an itch to live in the Phils and also work from the road in other countries. That's the other thing, I'm in IT, so I can do a lot of work from the road. Like Bankok road or Phnom Penh road."

All other suggestions more than welcome! Thanks Spamhog!

AHA!!! A fellow swashbuckler!!!! Yes wander you are what the SH calls a Swashbuckler, (Like most of the people on this board!) Do you read? Well get ahold of James Mitchner (Spelling?) Author of "Hawaii" and read his book
"Rogues and rascals in Paradise" He chronicles true storys of our forebearers the original expats who first came to Asia through and after WW2.

You see, I agree with the authors acessment that some men yearn to live among alien people in "tropical paradise" setting, a place on the beach with a warm, willing, uninhibited brown woman. To adventure, the conquest that is what drives us, not just laying LBFM but the whole experience, business the desire to succeed against a culture that is against you, earn fantastic wealth just like the early "yankee traders" who set foot on stange lands and wrested
a fortune from it , damn all risk and danger. Nowadays we dont get on a ship and stuff a cutlass in our belts we come here armed with credit cards and
western inginuity using the skills we learned in our world to get by and profit in this one. It takes balls Wander, just to live here but once you do you weill see the kick you get from it.

The phils is centrally locted and you can always hop on a plane and go to bangkok for a hoot in nanplaza or "the png" or even to singapore with it high brow mongering or to hongkong and stay out all night in "the Wanch"

Get over your fears, muster your finances, work out a plan and do it!

Good luck


Spamhog[/QUOTE]


It's 4:15AM but I feel like a prick for taking so long to reply so at least something now and something later.

Spamhog, most of what I've had in "support" or the decision to split is "no, no, no" from family. Hearing your words of encourgement have been a very large help. They've made this a more BALANCED decision.

A friend from Taiwan said to me the other day "I hear you can live like a King in Cebu". I almost spat my food out. He was referring to things other than woman....cause I'm married now...but I am going to push through and get seperated. Then he will see it's nothing to do with being like a king. It's being a fuking SULTAN.

I also recall someone somewhere saying something to the effect that "marraige is for people that are not financially wealthy". Right now I'm not rich in the USA, but give me 1 more year of my IT work in the Phils, and with the costs there I will be rich. That being the case, and given that I've never had trouble getting girls anywhere anyway, why would I not want to spend my extra time with two girls wrapped around me, 15 years younger than me, on a beach that makes anywhere near my 1/2 respectible east coast USA city look like hell. (I've got Bohol in my miind right now).

I do come from a family where the "alternative" lifestyle of moving to a 3rd world country and staying divorced is an odd thing. There are no Playboys anywhere in my family...well they play with there wives and but they all work hard as hell and are well behaved. I'm going to be working hard also and other than my woman cravings have no real "vices", so other guys in my family will be a sorry sort in the "playing" department. Plus, I've already been to about 30 countries in SEA and Latin America (on the cheap when I was younger). No relative I know has done anything like that.

What makes this all easier is that my wife is not 100% good about the marriage. We're very different even though we truly will wish each other the best and even watch over each other. I haven't said anything final...but we're going to be making a semi-mutual decision in the next few weeks. And my decision is now final.

I'm so excited I can hardly contain myself. I know my company will finally make good money once I'm acually THERE. I've already got a year-round working visa. When I have total freedom, I'm going to travel my ass of with a laptop that has free-very cheap voice over the internet. I'm going to be ALL over SEA for a good 2 months.

Yea, I'm afraid "the grass is greener" is what is really going through me now...but I don't think so. The worste part of this will be having to answer questions from relatives as to why we seperated since we were supposedly such a great couple (who the fuk knows if a couple is great unless you've got their home wired!)

Hope to meet some of you since my 4-5 months over there will soon be about 10 a year.

Cheers.

[Titmouse]

man, what a ride!

i'm too tired still to write up my adventures in detail, but i visited manila, olangapo, angeles city, cebu, zamboanga, and davao in the two weeks between 9/14 and 9/29.

(for those who don't know yet, la cafe is back in business. i checked it at 4 pm, 9 pm and 8 am. do-ables at all hours.)

nearly all my plans worked out. pal threw me a curve ball by changing the familiar two-hop flight with a stop in hawaii into a non-stop, which meant the flight left an hour later and arrived almost two hours earlier. i walked out of aquino international at 5:15 am, so i decided to skip my first date and head to angeles city. hopped a cab and grabbed a bus. first time i'd done that. it worked out fine.

checked into hotel hana, then went to club rio, which was hard to find because it's on a side street back from garfields, and wound up having a two-party sample in the corner booth, switching girls from time to time -- one sampling and one kissing me with my finger in her. it was an incredible experience but wound up costing me because one of them scraped me with her teeth and left me wounded for days. later, i met a really cute girl at dr holm's out on perimeter and had a great time with her. nice substitute for my original first.

then up to olangapo where i was too tired and sore to party but the bars of barrio barretto had plenty of low-key candidates and good prices. stayed at the blue rock. the floating bar is not all year, it turns out. it will be back in october they said. went back to angeles city and back on plan. met my friend from a previous visit. she was a great lay and a little bit of a disappointment. she wasn't in love with me, after all, just nostalgic. oh well. i dropped her after one night and grabbed my cutie from dr. holm's again.

on to cebu and on with the plan. met this sweet, 20-year-old correspondent who came with aunt and niece as chaperones. auntie was very understanding. we all had a great time going out to eat and taking a tour of cebu. also had plenty of time alone with the sweetie. i could have but didn't, but did everything else. stayed at the montebello villa and it was a perfect, somewhat out of the way location. not monger central and not cheap, but very nice.

flew down to zamboanga to meet another correspondent who was this odd mix of experience and inexperience. she claimed i was her second, and she was tight enough for me to believe it. yet she had this natural easy way that was one of the most comfortable experiences i've ever had with a woman. just naturally sexy in her entire being. she had me sit next to the tub while she bathed, and it was an incredibly intimate experience. unfortunately, she's not very pretty and her family environment is a complete mess.

in davao, i talked with goodenough, who was good enough to give me some pointers. unfortunately, he had to leave on business and couldn't join me for dinner. i roamed around the first night, had dinner at de bonte koe, checked out hot legs (or is it lips) too, wound up picking up a street girl near gound zero. she was so cute and bouncy and nice i couldn't believe it. also had the nicest set of lungs i've personally inspected in the philippines.

next afternoon, my last correspondent rolled in, and my oh my what a sweetie she was. i didn't really expect to sleep with her (and was tired enough i didn't care) but wound up doing it three times counting the next morning. oh, what a lovely girl. i'm ready to run away with her.

so that's it in brief. naysayers on the value of cherry blossoms may be revealing more about themselves than anything else. yes, it's easier and less involving to rent your pussy. i agree entirely. this was an experiment that paid off in advance entertainment and some wonderful, real, sweet, entertaining involvement, not to mention some great sex. my only problem now is how to weed them down. i may have to disappear.

titmouse

[Spam Hog]

Wander:

Sorry about not getting back to you but I was in Hong Kong & Macau with the Mrs spending all my money etc. Anyhow a belated reply re your decision and a few of my cockeyed philosophies:


And my big question is....do you feel like you need a soul-mate. I hate even using the word, but is life like yours (which sounds like what mine would be) "lonely". I think if I were living off too little money it would. But to be able to travel in SEA and have at least decent money to kick around. Well, that may bridge the gap.

To sum up, every body needs somebody, we are genetically engineered to
seek a mate, sow our genes and pass them on just like a bull among cows.
Thats nature, now what seperates us from animals (Or from some mongers on this board he he he) is our need to be with one person, raise a family, care for that family and provide for them. It depends on how you were raised, I came from Irish working class stock, coal miners and grew up in western Penna in the fifties and sixties. Divorce came hard for me, I understand that it can be a scary thing even for us big tough guys, the feasr of the unknown is what is holding you back, it was for me and Im not ashamed to admidt it, thought I could salvage a marriage but I couldn't and didn't. leaving my culture and dwelling among strange peoples was equally scary but here is where the "swashbuckler" theory comes in, read on and I'll explain.

"I have an itch to live in the Phils and also work from the road in other countries. That's the other thing, I'm in IT, so I can do a lot of work from the road. Like Bankok road or Phnom Penh road."

All other suggestions more than welcome! Thanks Spamhog![/QUOTE]


AHA!!! A fellow swashbuckler!!!! Yes wander you are what the SH calls a Swashbuckler, (Like most of the people on this board!) Do you read? Well get ahold of James Mitchner (Spelling?) Author of "Hawaii" and read his book
"Rogues and rascals in Paradise" He chronicles true storys of our forebearers the original expats who first came to Asia through and after WW2.

You see, I agree with the authors acessment that some men yearn to live among alien people in "tropical paradise" setting, a place on the beach with a warm, willing, uninhibited brown woman. To adventure, the conquest that is what drives us, not just laying LBFM but the whole experience, business the desire to succeed against a culture that is against you, earn fantastic wealth just like the early "yankee traders" who set foot on stange lands and wrested
a fortune from it , damn all risk and danger. Nowadays we dont get on a ship and stuff a cutlass in our belts we come here armed with credit cards and
western inginuity using the skills we learned in our world to get by and profit in this one. It takes balls Wander, just to live here but once you do you weill see the kick you get from it.

The phils is centrally locted and you can always hop on a plane and go to bangkok for a hoot in nanplaza or "the png" or even to singapore with it high brow mongering or to hongkong and stay out all night in "the Wanch"

Get over your fears, muster your finances, work out a plan and do it!

Good luck


Spamhog