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[X Man]

I wonder if it's worth the effort to share notes about CB ladies we've dealt with. Besides the hours and hours of chatting, I've met CB girls face to face in Manila, Cebu, CDO and Davao. I've had pretty good luck too.

Harvey, did you meet 40+ face to face? Man, you must be very well known in Davao

BTW, there is a seperate thread just for discussion of online ladies.

X Man

I met 40+ CB Chatters in Davao and more elsewhere and only found maybe 2 that (if I had to) that I might classify as scammers. One was already engaged and was trying to cut me out from the pack for her sister, then when that failed, a friend of hers. She really wasn't probably a scammer, just a really good looking chick with an attitude and I did not need that.

The other girls (we went to Jack's Ridge for dinner, 32+ of us, LOL) were making jokes about her "high faluttin" attitude, but she soon dropped from sight.

I know there are some on there (scammers), just use your head (on your shoulders) and you will detect 99% of them; the other 1% can be dealt with in person.

[Titmouse]

I think GoodEnough has it right, or at least it matches my expectations. Most of the women would, I think, be only too happy to meet someone who could give them a nice place to live and a comfortable life. Sure, some -- maybe all -- would jump at a chance to move to the US or other 1st World country, but there are advantages to staying closer to home, too. Not the least of which would be lording it over her friends. [grin] If I know women.

I don't really plan to get hooked on this visit, just scouting the territory. If I find a place I like, I can come back after I retire [SOON-SOON-SOON!] and then see what I can turn up. GE and others have made it clear that there is a world of opportunity much larger than the limited subset available on introduction boards.

Have you ever been caught in buyer's remorse -- you know the feeling when you walk down the street with the girl you've rented for the night and pass several others who are stunning and obviously available? I wouldn't want to do that by pulling one from the boards and kicking myself for being too hasty.

[Mahku]

Harvey, you're a brave man. I'd sooner sit in the lion cage at the zoo wearing a side of beef than do what you did.

My take on Cherryblossoms:

1) nobody asked me for $ yet and I have corresponded with a fair number

2) girls with sexy piuctures or suggestive profiles are more likely to be scammers I think, as are girls from Manila or Angeles area

3) I would not rely on it exclusively, but it is nice to have a couple regular girls lined up in each city you plan to visit to supplement the p4p girls

4)I find MANY good girls that are not wild at all; I have not found almost any that look like date for pisos girls, though it may be because I avoid the Manila/Angleles ones

1) Someone asks me for money almost every day I chat but I just shut them down cold.

2) More likely to be scammers bus also more likely to dive into bed with you. It's all fine as long as you don't have your heart set on finding the love of your life.

3) Absolutely. Have several different sources and ways of meeting to guarantee some action. Try to avoid the situation where you've got nothing and you're just trolling the mall looking for anything.

4) There are lots of good girls and I find nothing wrong with the ones that go out on dates but don't come back to my room. I enjoy the quality female company and over time usually even these girls give it up. This trip my 'success' rate so far is about 75%. But we'll see how that holds up as I move to more provincial areas.

[X Man]

This is how I do it...

No traveler's checks: too much bother
Cash: I generally take quite a bit of cash, but remember that the more you take the more you risk. Most of it stays in the hotel safe deposit box. I change some of it into pesos at the airport so that I have enough for the taxi and the first 24- 48 hours of activity.
Two cards: ATM or credit cards, although ATM cards are probably the cheapest way to go. I keep the two seperate...for example one is always in the hotel safe deposit box.

One time I lost my wallet to a jeepney pick pocket. I took a taxi back to my hotel and told the taxi to wait (I had no money). Opened the hotel safe deposit box which had enough peso to pay for the taxi. Then to the bank where I got a cash advance on my credit card. Back in action in less than one hour.

We'll be looking forward to hearing about your exploits in October.

X Man

Hello,

I am going to Manila in at the begining of October for 1 week and I would like to ask how much money should I take with me, as my hotel and flight is payed for it is only the other elements such as meals and the girls. I have read some of the forums but so many diffirent prices as to make me think I will need a gold card.

Thank you in advance.

[Surfer]

bring an ATM card and don't worry about it.

[Macro69]

Hello,

I am going to Manila in at the begining of October for 1 week and I would like to ask how much money should I take with me, as my hotel and flight is payed for it is only the other elements such as meals and the girls. I have read some of the forums but so many diffirent prices as to make me think I will need a gold card.

Thank you in advance.

[Surfer]

My take on Cherryblossoms:

1) nobody asked me for $ yet and I have corresponded with a fair number

2) girls with sexy piuctures or suggestive profiles are more likely to be scammers I think, as are girls from Manila or Angeles area

3) I would not rely on it exclusively, but it is nice to have a couple regular girls lined up in each city you plan to visit to supplement the p4p girls

4)I find MANY good girls that are not wild at all; I have not found almost any that look like date for pisos girls, though it may be because I avoid the Manila/Angleles ones

[Harvey WB]

I met 40+ CB Chatters in Davao and more elsewhere and only found maybe 2 that (if I had to) that I might classify as scammers. One was already engaged and was trying to cut me out from the pack for her sister, then when that failed, a friend of hers. She really wasn't probably a scammer, just a really good looking chick with an attitude and I did not need that.

The other girls (we went to Jack's Ridge for dinner, 32+ of us, LOL) were making jokes about her "high faluttin" attitude, but she soon dropped from sight.

I know there are some on there (scammers), just use your head (on your shoulders) and you will detect 99% of them; the other 1% can be dealt with in person.

[GoodEnough]

Titmouse:

For a Filipina, living with an expat in the PI is as good as being in the United States, given the standard of living at which many, if not most expatriates live here. They get to live in a nice house. They get to go on vacations and to dine often in restaurants, and they don't have to worry about money.

If you think the choice is staggering in the virtual world, wait until you venture into the real world of the Philippines, where the choices multiply geometrically. In virtual reality, you're only "meeting" a self-selected sample, whereas once you get here and establish contact with the whole universe of possiblities it's really overwhelming.

This is not to denigrate the motivation of these ladies, most of whom have never known freedom from want. From a certain perspective, living here, but at a reasonably high standard is even better for them as they don't have to try to fit in to an alien culture. For us it's better too, since we don't have to try to explain how we were lucky enough to wind up with beautiful women half (or less) our age. It's a win-win situation for all concerned.

:D

GE

[Titmouse]

When Pete said the choice is staggering, he wasn't exaggerating. Just on Cherry Blossoms, just Filipinas, just age 21-35, just non-smokers, just without children -- I matched with more than 2000 members. Well more than half of them say they don't care about age. It's more than I can get a handle on. I pick one in a hundred to send a note to. And my hands are so full at present that I've quit doing that. I MAY respond to a good first contact note.

This wealth of opportunity is in addition, of course, to all those in the business (which may overlap somewhat with CB) and the many, many, many who are neither in the business nor on CB. Truly staggering.

Maybe I'll be proved wrong, but I don't think the majority of the girls on CB are scammers. Several have made it clear in various ways that they're in tight circumstances, but only two have made direct pitches for money. Most have made a point not to ask for anything. In one case, when I began to hint to one girl that it might be worth it to send her some money to cover online costs, she changed the subject. She was just saying that she could only be on for so long because that's what she could afford.

And I think I can tell the difference. Some of these girls are just so sweet it's hard to explain. Yes, they're all pretty well interested in serious relationships and most would probably jump at an opportunity to go to the US. I don't think I blame them for that. But I'm frank in saying I'm not looking for a wife to bring back to the States. It's more likely I will live there. And that hasn't chased the more interesting (and interested) ones away.

'Mouse

[Titmouse]

J Boy - Thanks. You may be right, but I won't know unless I try it. I've been to Angeles City and will go back this trip to meet a repeater from the last trip whom I expect to take very good care of me. So I won't exactly be dying of lust by the time I head out to other places.

And these girls aren't ugly, not the ones I've talked to online. Not 10s, to be sure, but all are at least solid 8s. The two I haven't chatted might be a surprise, but I will be in cities where I can drop them and go monger, so.

'Mouse

[J Boy]

Titmouse
I did the same stuff you are doing before my first trip. I found it to be a waste of time. It is too much hassel to get the girls this way. The scheduling, the pretending they aren't screwing you for money. Also they are generally not as good looking as the bar girls - there is a reason they are not working in the bars - too old usually but it could be STDs. Just go to AC and enjoy the barhopping. You get to choose in person from 100s of girls.

Anyway that's my $ .02 worth.

[Pete The Beat]

Titmouse let me echo your thoughts and report. Last year i followed the same routine, meeting a lot of good looking girls in Filipina Heart and talking and viewing them via the webcam and Yahoo Messenger. same experience with me - lots hit you for money on the first chat, some take longer, say the second or third chat - but the request usually comes sooner or later.

When I travelled to Manila last December I had intentions of hooking up with a couple of them but found it was so easy at LA cafe and just generally picking up at the malls etc that it was easier not to get tied down to one girl cos I was only there for about 9 days.

What has happened since my return has been that I have continued in contact with several of them and when i return again this december i intend to try hooking up with the one girl for a few days, just to see how it goes.

All of my contacts on FH and now also on Cherry Blossoms give their cell no. readily so contact when I get back will be easy.

But you are spot on with your analysis of them having different pics and different names. My advice to all newcomers is take your time - don't go for the first girl who smiles at you - you can't miss out and the choice is staggering! really its only once you've experienced it that you really appreciate it. Good luck!

[Titmouse]

On the advice of someone from one of the boards I monitor, I joined Cherry Blossoms near the start of July. I regret I can’t remember who it was or on what board, but the poster’s idea was that he tended to join the board in the months before a visit to SE Asia in order to “qualify” some women to meet when he was there. I thought this sounded like a good way to meet some women who weren’t likely to be hanging around the bars, so I followed the advice. I’m hoping to make a trip to the Philippines in September. I thought readers might find my experiences interesting.

Cherry Blossoms (www.blossoms.com), for those who don’t know, is an e-mail self-introduction service focusing on the Philippines, Thailand and other countries to a much lesser extent. China is pretty well represented, too. Because of the way it works – members contact other members by email or to chat – it is apparently not covered by recent ‘mail-order bride’ legislation. There is no charge except for membership.

In the slightly more than four weeks since I joined, I have been contacted with no effort on my part by 2-6 women per day. In addition, I have contacted quite a few myself, identifying them either by using the site’s search utility or by scanning those who are chatting when I’m online. There are so many riches that it took me a week to begin to evolve a system. I have sent nearly 250 e-mails and received nearly 500. Many of the latter have been “smiles,” which are basically winks from a potentially interested female. I’ve sent a few of them myself but lately I’ve send a brief introductory email instead. I think it’s more likely to receive serious attention.

Now I should mention that I’m nearing 62 years old and about 30 pounds overweight. I’m not ugly, but the years are beginning to show on my face. If I were younger, thinner or better looking, I think I would be deluged with mail. As it is, there are plenty of younger women, especially Filipinas, who don’t seem to give a damn. (I think they really want to get out of there, or at least move up.)

I should also say that I have been pretty honest. My goal in going to the Philippines is not to find a bride but to scout out potential places for retirement. I say in my profile that I’m recovering from a bad relationship and not entirely sure I’m ready for another. That just makes some of them want to mother me.

What I’m trying to say is that I’m not trying to lay a line on the ones I’ve talked to. I’m a good writer and a pretty fair conversationalist, so I come off well, but I don’t lie (much) or pretend (much). If they ask if I’m talking to others, I tell them I am, although I don’t say how many. Frankly, it would be too complicated to maintain lies with so many women. The only way through the maze is to have a simple story and stick to it.

At this point, I wish I’d waited another month or even more before joining. I now have a group of six to twelve good prospects. While I don’t get into talking dirty with them, several had volunteered to be my “guide” when I come and three have been pretty clear what they mean. For example, here’s part of a chat from Sunday morning:

Her: yes ido anything 4 my love
Me: Oh really
Her: yes
Me: I may make you prove that
Her: yes
Me: So you like to make love?
Her: yes y not
Me: Good answer. Why not, indeed
Her: im reallly realy want make love wth u
Me: I'm thinking of things I'd like to do with you
Her: really
Her: love u
Me: You might even like it
Her: yes

Or this, from an email:

“One of my dreams is to see the whole part of my country, and to travel around the world. If you need a tour guide and a companion I am willingly go with you. Please…”

This is my most recent contact:

Me: But you'd guide me, right?
Her: yes
Her: open arms
Me: Just in case I couldn't figure out what to do with a pretty woman?
Her: lol
Me: I'm not THAT old
Her: ok
Her: u mean ur sexually active yet?
Her: excuse for that
Her: ok
Her: just asking.?
Me: There is no excuse for that
Me: except...
Her: ?
Me: Active
Her: o ic
Me: And you, my dear?
Me: Are you old enough?
Her: matured enough
Her: lol

My biggest problem at this point is how to schedule them all. In fact, I can’t. As the date gets closer, I’m going to have to drop a few. These are all in addition to my longtime friend in Angeles City whom I met more than two years ago. She’s pretty much in love with me. I would be in serious trouble if I went to the Philippines and didn’t visit her. I won’t quote her, since she’s not a CB girl, but there is no question what we’ll be doing when I go there.

Many of the women, by the way, prefer to shift out of CB and continue in Yahoo. While there is a webcam utility in CB, I haven’t tested it. Most of those who use webcams seem to prefer Yahoo. I bought one two weeks ago at the insistence of one of the girls and it has been a lot of fun. As a USB device, setup was a no-brainer and it has worked flawlessly. Being able to see the girls and watch their expressions adds a great deal to the experience. On more than one occasion it has also helped me spot that a girl was talking to at least two guys at the same time. I don’t do that and I don’t allow it.

The women who have contacted me can be categorized several ways. First, there are the obvious nos – women who are over 40, overweight, sometimes both. For the purposes of this trip, I’ve also ruled out women who are not in the Philippines, although I occasionally chat with two women from Thailand. I’ve been contacted by several very attractive Chinese women, some in Hong Kong but most from the mainland.

Some of the girls are scammers who want money. One has pictures of two different women in her profile (CB has room for three). In one bad stretch, three out of five new contacts hit me up for money in the first chat. My usual response is that I’m old but not stupid. Some are apologetic and keep talking. Others go away. Either way is fine with me. One girl claimed to be an orphan who lives in a church sanctuary and bathes in the restrooms. It might be true, but her picture is awfully pretty. It’s hard to believe she hasn’t found an alternate way to get money.

Another girl – the first quoted above – has persisted, politely but definitely wanting me to buy her a webcam for home. Since she’s also one of my “volunteers,” I may give in, but I’ll send her the webcam, not the money to buy one. She went to an Internet café (dressed up for me) and it’s the same girl as her Yahoo Messenger picture. She also moved the camera around to make sure I got a good look at her. {Late news: Yesterday she announced that she was relocating to Cebu. I’m glad I didn’t buy a camera for her sister’s computer.)

To reduce the correspondence workload, I’ve generally ignored anyone who doesn’t have a picture and anyone who sends me a “smile” instead of a letter. If they have a hot profile picture and there are no turn-offs in their self-description (“Want God-fearing man to support me and two children”), I sometimes violate my own rules. Some of them are so dang pretty.

Oddly enough, it’s the 18-year-old girls who most often say that age doesn’t matter. I always tell them that it actually does, but that I’m willing to trade a little of my experience for some of their youth. So far, I’m not seriously contemplating hooking up with any of the younger ones. My preferred age is around 25 -- old enough to have some experience. The last thing I want is a “vergen” as one girl described herself.

The hardest part is keeping it all straight. I save copies of both emails and chats, naming them with the girl’s first name, the date, and either “To” or “From.” This works pretty well except that some of the girls have several names and it can get confusing. For example, one girl is Marian but her Yahoo chat name is Marina plus a last name and on CB she has two other names. Sometimes, when I launch a chat, I have to scramble to remember who I’m talking with and what I know about them.

I’ll have an update before I leave. Things have already changed since I started writing this. And, of course, there will be lots more to say after I come back from my September trip. It could be a lot of fun or a real letdown. Since I’ll be traveling to parts of the Philippines that I haven’t seen, it will be interesting scenery even if the girls don’t live up to expectations. I’m pretty sure at least some of them will.

Titmouse

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[Surfer]

The surfing season is fast approaching and the place will soon be crawling with drunken Aussie surfers.

This is the "progress" that I had feared. As Indo got more crowded, more ozzie surfies startinmg coming to the PI (and Siargao in particular) and I am sure the Sari Club bombing and tsunami have only accelerated that. ):