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[Member #4794]

The socioeconomic situation of Asians in Western Society Summit going on here is killing my boner even more than I thought possible. One thing that does come from a result of these 2nd 3rd and 4rd generation immigrant family's is they get progressively less attractive to me as their western brainwashing completes and they lose all sense of the culture we all enjoy so much overseas. They tend to get much more entitled and self serving. Today I would never dream of touching anything "American" or americanized, I'm saving all that trump money for trips to the shiittyest parts on asia and looking for the most disenfranchised women possible. Empowerment and independence are all huge boner killers for me personally maybe your more beta male like a more domineering woman. The only real side effect of Asian girls in America is that they gain a sense of empowerment sends chills down my spine.

The very first nipple I ever saw was of this 2nd generation Philippino girl that lived in a mansion in Duarte California in the 80's (NOT POOR) and I've been hooked ever since. Take Mirella Ponce (google her, known as the hot pinay mugshot girl) is kind of a good baseline for what asian "american" girls turn into. In the early 90's asian american fever was at its peak I remember going to many a "hot import night" car convention which were really just hot asian girl conventions. Daily city still has some Fil-Am focused festivals where you can intermingle with Fil-ams. I would say that Asian Americans are disenfranchised becasue they want to be, they mostly try to stick to closely knit communities (they seem to be slumming it more than genuinely poor). The later generations are much more indoctrinated and are less self isolating, asian women eventually start to date ONLY western men. There was some study done on modern online dating where Asian Males and Black females were the most racially discriminated against, which I would say is pretty accurate. Outcalls in the USA were costing me about $300-$1000 an hour with import models in the early 90's. When I learned I could bang 10 girls for a total trip cost of around 2-3 k I was hooked. I used to spend $1000's of dollars on hook ups in hotels on the strip in las vegas and incall / outcalls / asian message parlors in Daily city and Fresno. To this day in Las Vegas for some Asian Instagram hoe could run you anywhere from $350-$2000 (These girls in las vegas are at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder and make $2 k an hour) and in manila the same quality girl will run you $50-$100 asians in western countries are not poor. Asian girls in America have 500%-1000% the income they do in their respective home countries even at the poorest levels. The western world and the WHO 2025 directives to end social economic strife also in turn mean an end to some mongering destinations eventually.

[RainMania]

There is a mixture of factual and non factual info on immigration from what everyone is saying.

- Asian American households (1st gen immigrants and their children) tend to do well economically because a significant proportion of them came into the country more educated than your average American. This doesn't necessarily mean all these immigrants waltzed into high paying jobs, even those that operate the laundry shops and convenience stores often have bachelor degrees and higher from their home countries. This tends to bleed into the decisions they make for their businesses and their families (I. E. Financial planning and literacy, strong education, taking advantage of government policies and opportunities, networking etc). And of course those that do waltz into high paying jobs also add to the mix.

- Asian American households (1st gen) also tend to have higher levels of poverty than the average American household. Particularly those from the South East Asian community, for example up to a quarter of Malaysian Americans in the US live below the poverty line. And that's before we talk about the undocumented Asian immigrants.

https://www.urban.org/urban-wire/asi...ocial-services

[Wicked Roger]

Question is are you still heading to phils as soon as you get inoculated? My little head still says yes but my big head might be winning this war.

So you still believe in Santa MM. Maybe the last part of the sentence shows some understanding of reality.

How many times must the head attached to your groin realize Philippines is not safe enough yet. Look at statistics, speak to people there (some of whom have rarely left their houses since mid March), read the news without that head making judgement etc.

Simply put I doubt you will visiting until 2021 and that depends as has been noted before if tourists are allowed kin (I am still unclear is SSRV holders can get back still).

It also assumes your country will prioritize you for a vaccine shot over others deemed more high risk so best listen to the advice of previously and play at home, with yourself or both LOL.

And remember politicians who truly care about the man in the street are are rare all over the world LOL.

[Soapy Smith]

All the while Dutarte is running around allegedly or not so allegedly vacationing in Singapore on government funds. He even talks about vacating the presidency and possibly putting a security minister in charge.

It's talk. In order to bypass Leni Robredo they'd need to amend the constitution. Similar situation in the states: may need to "redo the election" if Trump doesn't win.

[Soapy Smith]

It does not work like that. I have worked in enough first generation immigrant people's houses to know there is nothing favoring immigrants with higher levels of education. Most can't even speak English if they are from a non-English speaking country. Afterall, people that are ahead of the game do not want to leave their country.

I was mistaken, mea culpa. But the situation is more complex than you suggest. I plucked data from a 2017 report from the Center for Immigration Studies (tables in the attachment.) It suggests that education levels for recent immigrants are more diverse than for native-born Americans. That is, the recent immigrant population contains more people with less than a high school diploma, but also many more with bachelors degrees as compared to native-born Americans.

If "people that are ahead of the game do not want to leave their country," as you suggest, why do so many immigrants have bachelors degrees or more? And why is my local Fil-Am association comprised of so many doctors, nurses, engineers, professors, and IT guys? I know one guy who finished medical school in Cebu, then went back to train as an RN, took the nursing exam in the Philippines (Phils nursing certification is accepted in most US states), and came to the US as a nurse, earning more as a nurse here than as an MD in the Philippines. This is an anecdotal case, but I understand it's a common pattern. Educated people do leave developing countries. The Philippines and other poor countries have significant "brain drain" issues.

If you want to understand how people from the Philippines, both with and without education, migrate to OFW jobs, cruise ships, and professional employment in English speaking countries, please read Jason DeParle's excellent book, **A Good Provider is One who Leaves. *.

Bushes referred in a recent post to poor Asian families suffering under Covid. RR then showed income data drawn from Wikipedia, suggesting that Asian-American households earn more on average than other American households. But how can these numbers square with income data in the third table in my attachment, which shows recent immigrants' income is about half that of natives? A couple possible explanations:

1. The Wikipedia data are arithmetic means, whereas the data from the Center for Immigration Studies are median incomes. Mean is calculated by adding up all incomes and dividing by the number of individuals; median is the point at which 50% of cases are higher and 50% are lower. Mean income data are invariably skewed upward by a few millionaires. Median captures the most typical income across the population; it's a much better measure for "average" income.

2. The Immigration Center data are "recent" immigrants. It may be, as Mr. E and Dg suggest, that it takes a while or a generation or two for immigrant families to settle into better jobs.

But all of this suggests there may well be pockets of poor Asian immigrants as Bushes suggested, and as Dg described, such as Vietnamese fishing the Louisiana coast, or large households of Chinese restaurant workers with many people taking up floor space.

RK lectures me about not posting shit like this in ISG, which is supposed to be about fucking poor women. My excuse is that we're in a down time and most ISG members are unable to fuck Pinay p4ps at present.

[Member #4794]

While adding even more restrictions to the face shield and face mask they are adding a widespread curfew to the list of lunacy. This appears to be a way to squeeze honest working people out of the last few remaining pesos than it is life saving measures. It appears as if they are opening back up in order to collect fees from made up violations preying yet again on the poor which I attribute to the Philippines coffers being 1000% bare. Dutarte basically greenlighting Police shakedowns and corruption is back in season when things get rough police get to work harassing innocent people.

All the while Dutarte is running around allegedly or not so allegedly vacationing in Singapore on government funds. He even talks about vacating the presidency and possibly putting a security minister in charge. Dutarte seems like he has just given up until the vaccine which for the Philippines being last in line for and will take half a year at best to procure in numbers meaning full enough to make a dent. Question is are you still heading to phils as soon as you get inoculated? My little head still says yes but my big head might be winning this war.

"Metro Manila mayors agree to impose Unified 8 pm- 5 am Curfew, Palace says".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPTED_H3lfE

"Duterte denies Singapore trip rumors but stresses his right to travel".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve3XEdKErDI

[Goferring]

What happens is that the first generation comes and struggles and puts their kids through school in the process. You can see this time and time again in various countries.

When I was a young kid we had a market garden growing tomatoes and potatoes. EVERY other family was first generation Italian immigrants. They worked non stop and those that didn't run a market garden used their existing skills to enter the building trades. One cousin was a bricklayer, another a tiler, another an electrician etc. Before long they all had 10 houses and their kids wouldn't even consider manual labour. That space has now been taken over by Vietnamese and SEA immigrants.

When I went to college its was right in the middle of the Pol Pot Kampuchean crisis. Mom and dad spoke no English and the kids weren't much better. NO ONE worked harder at school than those kids and through sheer hard effort and helping each other they always came top of class in high end engineering disciplines.

Meanwhile we were out chasing girls and getting drunk every night. 😁.

I would agree that skilled and wealth based immigration has added to the mix but the attitudes haven't changed. Why leave India, Korea etc is you don't want to work for a better future?

Cheers. G.

[Dg8787]

It does not work like that. I have worked in enough first generation immigrant people's houses to know there is nothing favoring immigrants with higher levels of education. Most can't even speak English if they are from a non-English speaking country. Afterall, people that are ahead of the game do not want to leave their country.

What happens is that the first generation comes and struggles and puts their kids through school in the process. You can see this time and time again in various countries. The Chinese will come and sell fruit on the corner. They will save enough to buy a corner store. Their family will sleep in the back of the store while the locals are talking down on them about it. Soon they will own a chain of grocery stores or restaurants, or nail salons, or whatever the hell, and their kids have become university graduates. When the locals see this they become jealous and believe they were given something or helped by the government. They see you when you are balling, but did not see you when you were struggling. Chinese have done the same thing in Thailand and the United States and they are now doing it in Latin America and Africa. There is no easy way.

Holy moly Mr. E! A post of yours that DG 100% agree with. Not only agree but 100% accurate.

I have seen family run small hole in the wall Chinese restaurants produce CPAs, Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers and so on and on professionals. The whole family operated a small business probably earning $2. 00 a hour each. Which didn't matter. What matter was the combined family earned $50,000 a year, enough to live on and to save money for kid's college.

I have seen immigrant Korean family run dry cleaners send kids to college and then retire.

I have seen the poorest of the poor uneducated Vietnamese "boat people" take over the fishing in the gulf of Texas and send their kids off to college producing Doctors, Dentists, Lawyers and so on.

Most people assume these professional offsprings were from rich families!

[Mr Enternational]

I think your numbers are correct. One reason may be that visa quotas favor immigrants with higher levels of education.

It does not work like that. I have worked in enough first generation immigrant people's houses to know there is nothing favoring immigrants with higher levels of education. Most can't even speak English if they are from a non-English speaking country. Afterall, people that are ahead of the game do not want to leave their country.

What happens is that the first generation comes and struggles and puts their kids through school in the process. You can see this time and time again in various countries. The Chinese will come and sell fruit on the corner. They will save enough to buy a corner store. Their family will sleep in the back of the store while the locals are talking down on them about it. Soon they will own a chain of grocery stores or restaurants, or nail salons, or whatever the hell, and their kids have become university graduates. When the locals see this they become jealous and believe they were given something or helped by the government. They see you when you are balling, but did not see you when you were struggling. Chinese have done the same thing in Thailand and the United States and they are now doing it in Latin America and Africa. There is no easy way.

[Soapy Smith]

Asians are the richest racial group in America: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...usehold_income#Asian.

Average Filipino-American household earns $82,238 a year.

Average Korean-American household earns 92,074.

Average Chinese-American household earns 91,944.

Average Taiwanese-American household earns 105,726.

Average Indian-American household earns 123,453.

Compare this to overall average household income in America which is $61,937 a year.

Not quite a marginalized group LOL Especially when you realize many Asian-American households are traditional with a single male breadwinner versus America as a whole where mom dad and the eldest offspring usually have a job.

I think your numbers are correct. One reason may be that visa quotas favor immigrants with higher levels of education. Higher levels of education are undoubtedly correlated with higher incomes. In my local community I know a lot of the Fil-Ams. Many are doctors, engineers, professors, nurses, IT specialists. The exceptions are women who married veterans and sex tourists. (Nobody admits to being the latter.).

I'd like to see the data that confirm your thesis about traditional Asian households. I've seen some data suggesting that only Hispanics have larger households than Asians.

[Turgid]

...........Things are tough for many pinays. Many are caught in making hard choices. ...........

Ever since my last trip to the Philippines in 2007 I have been in touch with a non-pro Filipina who had a reasonably good job with an investment firm. Well due to the economic ravages of covid 19 she is now unemployed. She has resorted to selling clothing on line. I have bought some clothes from her to help her out.

[Bushes]

Are you saying that shit rolls down hill?

Been told a general observation that the paler or whiter the higher it floats; excluding present company. LOL.

[Rick Rock]

Well, I think that is what people in Flint thought. Again same state with Black Lives Matter.

Not too far behind were Asian and other poorer sections of the US population pressured to work without PPE and under conditions susceptible to Covid infections. The Germans and Japanese were also leading live human testing practitioners.

Things are tough for many pinays. Many are caught in making hard choices. Also, since many officially work abroad, they are more exposed to possible covid exposures. Worse for Filipinos.

Asians are the richest racial group in America: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...usehold_income#Asian.

Average Filipino-American household earns $82,238 a year.

Average Korean-American household earns 92,074.

Average Chinese-American household earns 91,944.

Average Taiwanese-American household earns 105,726.

Average Indian-American household earns 123,453.

Compare this to overall average household income in America which is $61,937 a year.

Not quite a marginalized group LOL Especially when you realize many Asian-American households are traditional with a single male breadwinner versus America as a whole where mom dad and the eldest offspring usually have a job.

[Soapy Smith]

Well, I think that is what people in Flint thought. Again same state with Black Lives Matter.

Not too far behind were Asian and other poorer sections of the US population pressured to work without PPE and under conditions susceptible to Covid infections.

Are you saying that shit rolls down hill?

[Bushes]

RR's story is almost scarier. Seems to have occurred in a context in which the lives of poor people are cheap and there never were any basic safety standards.

Well, I think that is what people in Flint thought. Again same state with Black Lives Matter.

Not too far behind were Asian and other poorer sections of the US population pressured to work without PPE and under conditions susceptible to Covid infections. The Germans and Japanese were also leading live human testing practitioners.

Things are tough for many pinays. Many are caught in making hard choices. Also, since many officially work abroad, they are more exposed to possible covid exposures. Worse for Filipinos.