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[Chocha Monger]

Every country has its own laws. Whether it is fair, reasonable, protects citizens is debatable. Still all people including foreigners have to obey. It would be easy to accompany a bunch of girls here in USA on a vacation or whatever. We have basic rights here.

Firstly any of us go for fun with girls to Philippines. And we get lulled into thinking we can do pretty much whatever we want. Even a simple girl can turn into a visceous trying to get you into trouble.

Piece of advice is do not get involved any adventures. Just have fun and get out.

Great advice! Fly in for a fuck and suck, and fly out alone. Filipinas hide behind their sweet silly smiles and mongers will not know what is going on in their heads until the trap slams shut. Jealousy (selos) and envy (inggit) are a daily part of life in the Philippines. A monger risks making enemies that he is unaware of simply through his involvement with group activities. Paying his girlfriend's way but not doing the same for the friends accompanying her on an adventure is enough to make the friends feel spiteful.

Many mongers have problems staying on mission, which is spray, pay, and away! Let the girls have excursions on their own time and money. Whenever girls ask to tag along, it is because they expect to freeload.

[Kabul Guy]

Read this today and was chuckling to myself as I know a few guys in this position. I have always said that the greed of the family can ruin a relationship. The comments are interesting also. But sadly this way of thinking is all too common and is something that the westerner can't / won't understand an / or accept.

https://lifestyle.inquirer.net/31125...rican-husband/

Interestingly everyone is considering that the foreign guy is innocent and totally honest while it is the local girls and officials who are corrupt and dishonest. The implication is that the anti trafficking and drug laws here are not instituted in response to abuses in the past but are an official means to help locals extort money from foreigners.

If this was a local discussion forum the blame would be reversed.

With only knowing limited facts as reported in the press, we have to consider all possibilities. Not every local is a corrupt liar and not every foreigner is an innocent victim of scheming locals.

[D Cups]

It should go without saying that the guy also has some responsibility. He needs to choose someone who is reasonably competent and sensible. He also needs to have enough kahunas to take control of the situation from day one.

Guys that give unlimited access to joint accounts and facilitate an endless outflow of funds for unknown reasons deserve what they end up with: an empty bank account and lost assets.

Wise words indeed. While we are on the subject has anyone taken Reekay's Bachelor course for living in or visiting the Philippines? He seems knowledgeable and helpful.

[Sammon]

Great reading! The monger walked into that one. It was a bad idea to let friends of his girlfriend travel together with him, if he is in fact innocent. He is lucky that they did not have bricks of shabu in their luggage, and finger him as the drug smuggling mastermind. When casual Filipina acquaintances want to tag along with a foreigner, it often does not end well for the foreigner as the average Filipina is easily cowed by their compatriots into fucking over foreigners, and doubly so when said compatriots have a bit of authority. The monger learned the hard way that Filipinas are not his friends just because they grin at him and ask to tag along with him somewhere. They always have a purpose and practical use for the foolish foreigner who allows it. LOL! The poor bastard probably agrees to let his Filipino cell mates tag along to the showers with interesting results.

Every country has its own laws. Whether it is fair, reasonable, protects citizens is debatable. Still all people including foreigners have to obey. It would be easy to accompany a bunch of girls here in USA on a vacation or whatever. We have basic rights here.

Firstly any of us go for fun with girls to Philippines. And we get lulled into thinking we can do pretty much whatever we want. Even a simple girl can turn into a visceous trying to get you into trouble.

Piece of advice is do not get involved any adventures. Just have fun and get out.

[Goferring]

Read this today and was chuckling to myself as I know a few guys in this position. I have always said that the greed of the family can ruin a relationship. The comments are interesting also. But sadly this way of thinking is all too common and is something that the westerner can't / won't understand an / or accept.

https://lifestyle.inquirer.net/31125...rican-husband/

Roger,

I'm glad to read that this is currently the wife's problem. That is the way it should stay because as soon as hubby gets involved the situation will become 100 times worse.

The ONLY way I have seen mixed couples successfully manage family finances is where a budget is done on day 1 and wifee receives enough for household expenses she is responsible for, including a fair (but not foolish) inclusion for her pocket money (clothes, entertainment and yes, family). The money and applicable bills are then her responsibility. Hubby never complains or gets involved in where it goes as long as food is on the table and power is connected. There is NEVER an early advance if money is short at the end of the month.

Dying grandmothers, cousins' school fees, new motorbikes or wonderful business opportunities are then her choice and responsibility. Any transferred funds will come out of her spending money, not the family unit's. It is amazing how quickly this will limit the frequency of requests and the shrinkage of the housekeeping money. Obviously it is also 100% stress free for hubby.

For those that ask "what happens when she blows the money by day 3?" Its simple. She is hungry for 27 days. There is no top up.

The lesson will be soon learnt.

It should go without saying that the guy also has some responsibility. He needs to choose someone who is reasonably competent and sensible. He also needs to have enough kahunas to take control of the situation from day one.

Guys that give unlimited access to joint accounts and facilitate an endless outflow of funds for unknown reasons deserve what they end up with: an empty bank account and lost assets.

[Chocha Monger]

Read this today and was chuckling to myself as I know a few guys in this position. I have always said that the greed of the family can ruin a relationship. The comments are interesting also. But sadly this way of thinking is all too common and is something that the westerner can't / won't understand an / or accept.

https://lifestyle.inquirer.net/31125...rican-husband/

WR,

I had a few demands over the years. Shot them all down immediately without hesitation, and gave the requester such a look of disgust that no other family members dared to try their luck at the jackpot. The parents get no allowance from me either. I find the idea ridiculous, as I do not provide one to my own parents. It would be stupid to provide some ungrateful Filipino parents an allowance instead of supplementing my parents' retirement or buying them nice presents on special occasions. I tell the Flip parents that charity begins at home, and I need to give my parents before anyone else's.

The American fella already did the family a huge favor when he married the salesgirl and relieved the family of an extra mouth to feed. Furthermore, he is slaving to pay for her visa fees and other costs associated with importing her. Once she gets to the USA, she will remit all her earnings to her lazy greedy family. He will have to support a healthy working adult who will spend money like a drunken sailor. Problems will arise when one or both parties are too tired for sex.

The American left himself open to abuse from the family the second he decided to give handouts to the mother. The free money is never enough for Filipinos, and other relatives start wondering why they are not getting handouts too because they figure the foreigner was stupid enough to fall for the support the parents scam. So, why not the other relatives too? LOL!

I understand and accept that the family may be lazy and greedy. I just refuse to enable and foster these repugnant traits with my hard-earned cash. LOL! Furthermore, it is a myth that elderly Filipinos get no social security. If they had jobs, their employers deducted from their salary for contributions to the plan. The self-employed Filipinos also have the option of contributing to social security pension plan. Those who do not only have themselves to blame. Why should the foreigner pay for their stupidity just because he fucked their daughter? LOL!

Another tidbit that foreign men should know is that destitute Filipino families with minor children receive money from the Department of Social Welfare if they request it. The program is similar to the American welfare system for single mothers. In addition, the barangay captains have funds and rice to help the poor members in the community. They can even provide free lots for building nipa huts in rural areas. Fellas need to live among Filipinos and learn enough of the language to discover these things. Maybe spend less time trying to fuck everyone in the barangay and playing peso millionaire. Once foreigners do this and stop listening to all the lies the natives tell to get handouts, they will discover things are not as dire as the lazy girls want them to believe.

If things were that bad, the girls would have starved to death before their white hero showed up to rescue them. Yet, no one reports seeing Filipinas dropping dead like flies and they continue to breed prodigiously. The girls are getting fatter, and rice bellies are common now in the late teens. That is the result of excess calories, sitting on their asses all day texting, sleeping until noon, and watching Showtime and Borrowed Wife.

A foreign man needs to run a tight ship to have a successful relationship with a Filipina. The fellas who bring out the bamboo and coco lumber as needed do not have such problems.

https://youtu.be/drgEmBAu0wI

[BrainDrain]

Read this today and was chuckling to myself as I know a few guys in this position. I have always said that the greed of the family can ruin a relationship. The comments are interesting also. But sadly this way of thinking is all too common and is something that the westerner can't / won't understand an / or accept.

https://lifestyle.inquirer.net/31125...rican-husband/

It's nice to see the guy is already supporting the mother. Eventually I think the sister will put the pressure on the mother to access the cash flow from that direction. Easier for the mother to request an increase for extra-expenses. The extra cash will flow to the sister.

The guy I screwed.

BD.

[Wicked Roger]

Read this today and was chuckling to myself as I know a few guys in this position. I have always said that the greed of the family can ruin a relationship. The comments are interesting also. But sadly this way of thinking is all too common and is something that the westerner can't / won't understand an / or accept.

https://lifestyle.inquirer.net/31125...rican-husband/

[Chocha Monger]

A recent press link. Is well known and has been noted before here but these tend to remind us of how bad it can go and how slow it is to get out of the mire.

http://philippineslifestyle.com/just...ail-fie-years/

Plenty more example on that news site also.

Great reading! The monger walked into that one. It was a bad idea to let friends of his girlfriend travel together with him, if he is in fact innocent. He is lucky that they did not have bricks of shabu in their luggage, and finger him as the drug smuggling mastermind. When casual Filipina acquaintances want to tag along with a foreigner, it often does not end well for the foreigner as the average Filipina is easily cowed by their compatriots into fucking over foreigners, and doubly so when said compatriots have a bit of authority. The monger learned the hard way that Filipinas are not his friends just because they grin at him and ask to tag along with him somewhere. They always have a purpose and practical use for the foolish foreigner who allows it. LOL! The poor bastard probably agrees to let his Filipino cell mates tag along to the showers with interesting results.

[Dg8787]

Yes, those wallet sized pictures of Benjamin Franklin are desired world wide.

Thankfully they are!

[Kabul Guy]

Totally agree with you.

Some dumbass Americans really think the US Marines are going to come soon and break down the prison walls to get them!

The only saving them will be the Army of Benjamins.

Yes, those wallet sized pictures of Benjamin Franklin are desired world wide.

It is only Americans that expect the world will do their bidding or else the USMC will storm ashore to teach the locals to behave with proper servitude.

Years ago I was driving across the border and had to go into the Canadian Customs building to pay tax and duties as I was over my persona exemption limits. There was an American there demanding that he be allowed to bring his guns into Canada, saying it was his second amendment right and besides he needed them to protect himself and his family from the "hordes of hostile injun's that still roamed wild up here". (his exact words) . The dumb ass was saying it to an Customs Officer who definitely looked like he had aboriginal ancestry. Subsequent news reports said he had numerous firearms including restricted and prohibited weapons. No word on how long he was a guest at one of Her Majesty's Iron Bar Hotels.

All any Embassy can do for their nationals incarcerated abroad is make representation to ensure that they are treated properly in accordance with local laws, bring money sent from home for sundry purchases, deliver and pick up mail for home and a few other minor tasks. They cannot and will not interfere in the administration of local justice for a common citizen, they may do some backroom arm twisting for prominent citizens or those especially targeted for more sever punishments due to their nationality as opposed to the crimes they committed but if you are an average citizen and are accused of something that would be a crime that is considered particularly reprehensible back home ( think drug and sex crimes) they will not help you at all. All you can do is put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye.

[Hutsori]

Totally agree with you.

Some dumbass Americans really think the US Marines are going to come soon and break down the prison walls to get them!

The only saving them will be the Army of Benjamins.

The US embassy did fuck all when a dependent of one of its staff was stabbed to death by a group of rich boys near Rockwell, so be assured they'll do nothing for general population normies unless you're the sister of Lisa Ling, in which case no effort will be spared.

[Dg8787]

I was once on a plane with a US Consular official who was doing the rounds visiting all his fellow citizens in jails. He wouldn't speak about individual cases but he made it very clear that he considered them complete idiots as they:

1/ were stupid enough to do the crime or sufficiently pis off the wrong people in the first place.

2/ were so small fry that no one cares about bailing them out.

3/ had no means or plans to save themselves at the very earliest stages of a problem and.

4/ often expected others to come running to their aid.

I agree that the best remedy is to fly well below the radar to avoid any problems in the first place and, should anything come up, sort it out as soon and as low as possible.

Totally agree with you.

Some dumbass Americans really think the US Marines are going to come soon and break down the prison walls to get them!

The only saving them will be the Army of Benjamins.

[Goferring]

Personally I believe that everyone in jail is there for one reason or another. It may be that they are actually guilty, it may be that they were innocent and just pissed off the police and the police are getting their revenge or it may be corruption or some other issue.

I think that everyone ever jailed here had lots of opportunities to get out of it, it may have cost a considerable amount of cash in on the spot no receipt fines paid or even later paying "fines" and getting put on an aircraft home.

I was once on a plane with a US Consular official who was doing the rounds visiting all his fellow citizens in jails. He wouldn't speak about individual cases but he made it very clear that he considered them complete idiots as they:

1/ were stupid enough to do the crime or sufficiently pis off the wrong people in the first place.

2/ were so small fry that no one cares about bailing them out.

3/ had no means or plans to save themselves at the very earliest stages of a problem and.

4/ often expected others to come running to their aid.

I agree that the best remedy is to fly well below the radar to avoid any problems in the first place and, should anything come up, sort it out as soon and as low as possible.

[Kabul Guy]

A recent press link. Is well known and has been noted before here but these tend to remind us of how bad it can go and how slow it is to get out of the mire.

http://philippineslifestyle.com/just...ail-fie-years/

Plenty more example on that news site also.

While keeping a low profile is always advisable, I do feel that the threat of lengthy incarceration of a foreigner for minor transgressions here is somewhat overstated. However if you are the one guy in a million, then it was understated.

According to the official web site.

https://www.bjmp.gov.ph/datstat.html

As of May there were a total of 309 foreign detainees here. Over a third of them (110) were Chinese, add in the Koreans (27) and Taiwanese (19) and you get to over half. There were 28 Americans, 12 Aussies, 5 Brits and 2 Canadians. Indians (18) and Nigerians (14) are the only other countries in the double digits.

I did find recent news stories about several Canadians arrested for drug charges but they do not appear to show up on these stats. Three possibilities: They were released and deported (perhaps prisoner reparation?) They have dual citizenship and are counted in the second country totals. (There are some categories for people with dual citizenship, mostly fil and another citizenship.) Third possibility is that the official numbers are incorrect, either accidentally or due to a measure of incompetence and / or corruption.

Personally I believe that everyone in jail is there for one reason or another. It may be that they are actually guilty, it may be that they were innocent and just pissed off the police and the police are getting their revenge or it may be corruption or some other issue.

I think that everyone ever jailed here had lots of opportunities to get out of it, it may have cost a considerable amount of cash in on the spot no receipt fines paid or even later paying "fines" and getting put on an aircraft home.

My bottom line is to do everything possible to avoid ever being in official contact with the police. If I witness a crime or an accident, I'll just keep walking, if accused of a crime, I'll do whatever it takes to resolve the issue at as low a level as possible.

Remember if a second cop ever shows up, the spot fines just doubled, more if the second cop is a higher rank than the first cop, If a dozen cops show up the spot fines will be huge. If I ever had to pay a large spot fine, I'd give serious consideration to simply getting on the next plane to another country, then take another aircraft from there to a third place pretty quickly. They may just like their first taste so much that they come back for more. I have nothing in this country that I would not walk away from in a heartbeat if I deemed it necessary to save myself.

Always have a run bag packed and ready to go. I've done this in one form or another ever since we made an emergency pack when I was a Boy Scout over 50 years ago. (Contents right now: passport, significant papers, two week supply of any essential meds, cash, nutrition bars, phone charger and power bank, first aid kit couple changes shirts, underwear and socks, pair of pants and a tooth brush. Grab a water bottle at the door on my way out and I am ready for just about anything.).