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[WestCoast1]

I threw up a little in my mouth.

What the actual hell is going on in America these days? Actually, don't even want to know.

Sorry RA, just saw this. My post before was not a description of what is / was happening in America, it was a description of what one woman has been doing. There is nothing unique about high-end hookers in any country. There are enough rich wall-street type guys in NYC who think as little of paying $10,000 USD / hour as you or I do for paying for a cup of coffee at 7-11, to keep high-end girls in business.

What I will say here might bother some: The more expensive a girl is, does not necessarily mean she is more hot. Some high-end girls who are less hot often stay in the game by plying GFE / pampering experience (or alternately, she becomes a dominatrix). Many of us might say: "Why would you pay so much for that average woman when you can go to Thailand / Columbia / Moscow for a killer bod?" It is a logical question; but I think it doesn't matter why, as many wealthy fellas are just fine staying at home, taking the girls that please them (not us).

For the rest of America, there are attractive incall / outcall girls at $300-$500/ HR (strict time limit, covered, the opposite of GFE), and AMP massage parlors for happy ending. There are also strip clubs, with varying results.

I have seen a similar thing in Phils. There are fellas who travel to Phils and take an average-looking (6 or 7) FL gal for a week or two, including island-hopping (Boracay, Palawan), never sex her, and give her good coin for her time. We have tried on this board to quantify our game, but there are elements of the game that can't be quantified.

[Member #4794]

A seasoned mongers view on Bangkok / thailand VS manila / AC / philippines.

I have to lead with I am biased towards the philippines.

Everything in Bangkok was more costly than what I pay in the philippines regarding sex and I am counting time and effort. The women in thailand were generally more wrinkled up and if not they were generally more expensive. The language barrier was just like it was the last time I was in Bangkok horrible. I can speak thai but needing to speak thai to get along with these girls feels synthetic and kind of ruins my time. My thai is not the best and this is all I have to rely on it to try to relate feelings with only a limited vocabulary. Sure you will see some attractive thai women but chances they will be attractive speak english AND not be a veteran of 5+ years is slim to none.

I like that in the philippines I can pick up a girl who is new to the game and get to know her on some level. I enjoy being able to relate to her and understand at least a modicum of how she ticks and her life. I find it a much more fulfilling "relationship". So in this sense Bangkok and thailand for the most part falls short for me. I was there for some time but I brought along some pussy with me and had the opportunity to partake as well but I decided not to. It just felt like I was going to a fast food joint and ordering some overpriced pussy.

I usually monger close to the lao border where the girls feel more genuine and sweet over all which I can't get enough off but the big city BKK liberal girls are not for me anymore I have grown out of it.

Bangkok does have better food BKK wins here by a land slide the food in the philippines is all trash in comparison. Tourist attractions in thailand wins hands down and accommodations are nicer and generally more affordable.

But I think the philippines beats thailand in a few key areas that mean much more to me. Such as access to creampies, deeper relationships, and due to people generally speaking english it is easier to be accepted into the Philippine community as a whole. I don't think a foreigner ever really get accepted into thai culture unless you do all of the buddhist crap like become a monk and I am just not interested in that.

While I think Thailand beats the philippines in every external way. I think the philippines beats places like thailand where you have a language barrier to contend with in an intangible internal way. Pinay Catholic girls really have spoiled me I think for right now I just prefer my catholic pinay pussy. You may disagree but this is just my opinion.

[Roll Aides]

Moved to the Gen Info thread.

I threw up a little in my mouth.

What the actual hell is going on in America these days? Actually, don't even want to know.

[WestCoast1]

Regarding prices, service, looks, and the good old days in Europe as discussed in the Manila thread previously. A browse thru the first ISG London page (first 4 posts below), and the first 2 pages of Paris, shows a hodge-podge of mongers having to find a good massage parlour, or use escorts (little else) with strict time limits. Very difficult for outsiders to navigate as there is little point-and-shoot. And prices higher that the good-old-daze (pre-covid). Germany comes out the big winner with FKK clubs. Give me SE Asia.

Although 80 quid /1/2 hour is not bad I'm a little disappointed one has to pay first.

Finished the deed about 5 minutes left and I promised to return sometime soon. She said, she is there twice a week. Damage: 80 for 30 minutes.

Seems to have upped her price as I'm sure I paid 150 ish for the hour and she's now quoting 200.

Her stated age of 40 is probably accurate. You can tell that from her face but she has a very fit and well maintained body, definitely hits the gym regularly. Pics of her body are accurate but pics of face have light filters applied, still pretty though. Wir; not at her new prices, not worth that kind of money IMHO.

60 pounds for DATY, CBJ, and CFS standing K9. This was for 10 minutes of sex time. On a Sunday I saw Claudia (Brazilian) at 28 Peter st (upper floor). 60 pounds for LFK, DATY, CBJ, and CFS standing K9. Finished with CBJ . Olive skin, scar across her stomach probably from a tummy tuck. Also big naturals but probably the. Also very friendly but I think she was happy that we spoke in a language other than English. This was 10 min but might have run a little longer .

France:

Loads of fakes and poor providers in France.

Nah. I love Paris, personally. But you need to be quite experienced to find what you're looking for . Sirioja is experienced, no doubt, but maybe he is a bit jaded with the selection here. Not me, though.

I make no promises since I have already put Paris hobbying behind me.

I gave up and prefer to drive every week end except for holidays to Germany. There, I can really see and decide. I may be too picky now for level in Paris which is my town since birth .

[Dg8787]

Thanks for a lot of good advice and tips. And especially this eye opener.

I'm in good shape, and is usualy out for 2-3 hours walking every day.

Budget aprox Euro 200 pr day?? Or should this be increast.

I have some experience with German FKK clubs. But that is FFFG (find, fuck and forget).

Now I'm actually looking for a lady who can also be nice to have breakfast with. And it will be a slightly different starting point.

I don't want to ruin my vacation by making a deal with a jealous, controlling lady. At the same time, I want to avoid dramatic scenes when I leave the Philippines.

I have to think a little more carefully about what might be the best. But it's nice planning. If there are more tips, they are welcome. If you have contacts I can use, please send a PM.

I will keep you updated along the way.

How is the planning coming along?

What are your timing in January and where?

[WestCoast1]

Fellas, Noche Buena is almost upon us. Santa is firing up his ride. Hoping you can find a goodie, a bit like this one who, at 4' 10" and 75 lbs, has a nice touchy and some fossales lombalez thingys. Open your goodies in private, as this one and I have done multiple times.

[WestCoast1]

Moved to the Gen Info thread.

Would you pay 35 k dollars for this ho ho ho. Some guys must be in pussy hell for a long time to bang this ugly chick. They could have flown to ac and stayed for a year and banged just as ugly for 50 dollars.

https://nypost.com/2023/12/18/busine...o-wall-street/

Another article about the same woman:

https://www.businessinsider.com/esco...drosis-2023-12

It appears she can earn more than $100 k USD per month. From the article:

For Mia Lee, time is money. Lee, a 35-year-old professional escort and stripper based in New York City, has streamlined her entire life so that she can maximize time with her clients and boost her earnings. Her efficiency has helped her rake in almost $68,000 during the first two weeks of December alone, Business Insider previously reported.

I think, Teej, you are thinking transaction-ally. Which is fine, in and of itself. Would you pay $100 USD for a cup of coffee in the US, when you could pay $1 for something similar in another place? Its fine if you answer no to that question, as long as you are ok to people who would answer yes to that question. Its not reasonable to think the 'yes' folks are in coffee hell. I've met folks with more money than me who spend more on things for good reason: They just have a lot of disposable cash. Anything that is convenient, or immediately comfortable (ie, a previous ho who was kind to him and developed a report with him) gets the call, regardless of price. Why ask your assistant to get you a fresh hottie tonight (with uncertain chemistry) for a $5,000 USD 1-hour pop, when you can call Melissa yourself (who you've had several times and in addition to good sex, was good company) for a $20,000 all-nighter? From rich farmers to tech execs, some people don't really have spending limits like us regular Joe's.

That miss Lee commands large immediate cash is proof that high-end ladies exist almost everywhere (notice I did not say extremely pretty ladies). Hi-end gals command the attention of rich folk for whatever reason, and they are not always the most attractive. We are accustomed to getting Manila FL for $60-ish USD LT, or AC gogo gals for $80-ish USD, province girls for $20-ish USD for LT, or Burgos (and BKK) gogo girls for $200-ish USD for LT. That's quite a range. Is it possible that there are Phils escorts (or girls working privately by word of mouth) commanding $1000 USD (or more) per hour? Of course there are. There will be similar in every country. Can you find younger and prettier than Miss Lee in other countries, for much less? Yes of course, that's why we are here. But the market is the market, and Miss Lee will continue to command her rate until she can't. These fellas aren't in pussy (or coffee) hell. They just have more money than they know what to do with, and 'speaks-4-languages' Miss Lee is gobbling it up.

[WestCoast1]

I had motorcycles drive up on the sidewalk I was on to pass. They drove right past me, thinking I was safe on the sidewalk. Most dangerous place I have ever walked in my life. No stop signs and lights that don't work. The place is a real life Frogger game.

Frogger. Excellent description of Phils transportation, from the city to the provinces. Here, pedestrians don't need to go to an intersection to cross the street. "No stop signs and lights that don't work". They just cross anywhere. If traffic is stopped, its easy to cross the street, you just weave your way between car bumpers until you are on the other side. If traffic is moving, pinoy pedestrians will wait patiently by the side of the road, waiting for a clearance between vehicles. But they only wait about 30 seconds. Then they hold out their hand to stop the next oncoming vehicle, and make their way across the street by holding up their hand at each lane, to stop traffic*. Quaint system. In my country, that would be a recipe for getting an extended hospital stay.

Recently I hailed a taxi that was going northbound in the morning. Northbound traffic was in its usual daytime traffic jam, with zero traffic in the two southbound lanes. As we were sitting idly, I was about to suggest the driver turn around (a 180 degree turn), head south to a nearby east / west street that has little traffic. He beat me to the punch, turned the wheel hard left and stepped on the gas. The car whipped across both empty southbound lanes and up onto the sidewalk, leaving both tires on the passenger side on the sidewalk. "I will take the river drive sir". Great minds think alike. He had both southbound lanes to himself. Did he pull the car off the sidewalk and take the empty right southbound lane? No, he drove about 50-60 meters with the right half of the taxi up on the sidewalk before pulling the taxi off the sidewalk and into the right lane (we were coming up on a street light pole on the sidewalk).

* As if holding up your hand will stop a 1500 kg vehicle whose driver is not paying attention. It'll all be over soon.

[TjBrazil]

Moved to Gen Info from AC thread..

I had motorcycles drive up on the sidewalk I was on to pass. They drove right past me, thinking I was safe on the sidewalk. Most dangerous place I have ever walked in my life. No stop signs and lights that don't work. The place is a real life Frogger game.

[Roll Aides]

Anyone been to Siquijor? What's the availability of talent like?

Nonexistent. BYO.

[WestCoast1]

Moved to Gen Info from AC thread.

I don't understand why regular visitors to Angeles City still insist on getting around the city on trikes, when renting a motorbike or scooter is far more practical and economical than using a trike 4 or 5 times a day. I always rent 2 wheels and I am free to move how and where I want, even up to Subic or San Fernando with a cost of 400/500 php per day and in complete freedom. Why make your life difficult by dealing with trike drivers or looking for a free one where we are?

Will never drive anything in the philippines. For ALL of the reasons you listed. Worst idea ever LOL.

This is a good list of reasons NOT to motobike in AC.

This also applies to many 3rd world countries and not just the Philippines. I had a friend that was involved in an accident in Thailand. Not his fault as the local on bike was going the wrong way on one way street. Both parties got serious injuries along with their passengers. All ending up in hospital. Conclusion was obvious. The one with money (always the foreigner and never the local) had to pay for ALL damages and ALL medical bills. Also, don't forget to get proper license. I've been stopped several times before in both Thailand and Indonesia. Police will often stop foreigners to check and it's easy money for them knowing most don't hold a valid motorcycle license.

I drive here. There is very little that is new to learn, except for the customs of the drivers. I am not sure of any booklet that exists for Driver's Training (you can purchase lessons here if you want). If you have a valid foreign driver's license from your country you can apply for and quickly get a Phils driver's license without taking any written or driving test (only requirement: An eye exam). Some general rules of the road here:

1) Everyone moves his vehicle where he wants to, with little heed to other drivers or turn signals (motorcycles are much more likely to signal than sedans or trucks). Anyone can / will cut off anyone else, and nobody gets too upset about it. Turn signals are not used to change lanes, they are used at intersections to turn a corner.

2) Nose-in-front wins. The vehicle whose nose (front) is in the intersection first has the right of way, regardless of traffic signals (most intersections have no lights, yield or stop signs; I call them 4-way no-stops).

3) Nose in front wins again. You are driving along at a set speed in the left lane. The driver in the right lane is driving the same speed as you, but the nose of his vehicle is 12" further forward than yours. He will feel quite comfortable to change into the left lane, without signalling, by simply sliding left. Your choices are slim and dire: L) accelerate hard and get in front of him before he gets into your lane; M) move to your left, possibly into oncoming traffic or onto a sidewalk; or N) Slam on your brakes, decelerate hard, and let him slide into the left lane (this is your only realistic hope). Honking your horn will not stop his leftward movement (he fully expects you to MOVE out of his way). Yelling at him will not help in the moment, nor will he heed your ire.

4) You are in a circle or round-about, like the Fuente Circle in Cebu. There are, say, 2 lanes (left-inner lane and right-outer lane), and 4 entry / exits for the circle. Driving counter-clockwise, drivers entering the circle (from the right) will try hard to move quickly to the inside (left) lane. Then when they want to exit the circle, they will wildly careen across the right lane to exit to the right. Had the driver entering the circle stayed in the right lane, he would have avoided 2 lane crossings (the second one wildly dangerous). Even drivers proceeding thru just a quarter of the circle (90 degrees), entering (from the right to left) and exiting (left to right) quickly will attempt to get to the inside lane, then immediately to the outside right lane. Regardless of this being extremely common, its wildly irrational and dangerous. Speaking to pinoy drivers about this concept gets this kind of response: "Ya I don't know why we do that".

5) At least half, or more, of drivers don't look left (or right) when turning at an intersection. You can stand near any street corner and watch drivers making right-hand turns. They approach the corner and slow down, then turn right, without ever looking left. They rarely come to a complete stop when turning right on a red stop light (they almost treat it like its a green light).

6) Pinoy drivers pass on the left (and slowly) in, and just prior to, a curve in the road, where oncoming traffic is difficult to see. When oncoming traffic shows up suddenly in such a passing situation, the passing driver will not only swerve back into the right lane, he will cut off anyone he was passing, forcing them off the road or to decelerate hard. He might even take his foot off the gas and hit the brake in a panic, thus forcing the guy getting passed to react even faster.

7) Pinoy drivers are often very kind. Several times as I was learning the layout of the various streets, I made an incorrect left turn (a tiny sign, hidden by trees, shows the no-left-turn) or went the wrong way on a 1-way street. Other drivers (and pedestrians) will yell something like: "Sir don't do that. You don't go that way. Go straight". Very sweet.

8) Motorcycles rule the road. They are everywhere and outnumber other vehicles. Their small size means the drivers will drive maze-like thru a traffic jam anytime. I have learned to follow that lead.

9) I have learned to drive willy-nilly like the locals, cutting anyone off the same way they do. Its difficult to drive here and not be cut off several times when going somewhere, and cutting off several other people. I fear that I will return to the home country and drive the same way.

[KumuMan]

I would hit dating sites. Try to message whoever you are interested. Philippine girls are not picky about age. Meet and make a deal for travel if it works. If this approach does not work hit the bars in Manila, Angeles City. Meet girls in bars. Make your deal.

If you get the right girls you can plan accordingly to visit Palawan, Boracay etc.

Money talks. Not the looks, age. Philippine girls are nice and friendly mostly and will make your trip enjoyable. Do not worry if the first few girls refuse. Keep trying. There is always someone who will agree to your deal.

I totally agree with this post. I would make my home base in Cebu and search girls on as many dating sites and pay for the full member option. Palawan and then Boracay.

[Gratass65]

With all due respect at your age have you heard of GIGO?

Garbage In Garbage Out.

Details about yourself would be most helpful. Weight, mobility, hobbies, likes, dislikes and on and on. Most important is your budget. Hotel budget. Travel budget. Budget for girls.

What does organize and accompany you mean? A travel guide? Make a daily routine schedule for you?

With better input you will get a better results.

Thanks for a lot of good advice and tips. And especially this eye opener.

I'm in good shape, and is usualy out for 2-3 hours walking every day.

Budget aprox Euro 200 pr day?? Or should this be increast.

I have some experience with German FKK clubs. But that is FFFG (find, fuck and forget).

Now I'm actually looking for a lady who can also be nice to have breakfast with. And it will be a slightly different starting point.

I don't want to ruin my vacation by making a deal with a jealous, controlling lady. At the same time, I want to avoid dramatic scenes when I leave the Philippines.

I have to think a little more carefully about what might be the best. But it's nice planning. If there are more tips, they are welcome. If you have contacts I can use, please send a PM.

I will keep you updated along the way.

[Turgid]

Anyone been to Siquijor? What's the availability of talent like?

[Drbombay]

Hi.

I have read a lot but haven't found a good answer, I need expert advice.

I am 67 years old and have never been to the Philippines before. I have now booked tickets for January. I want to enjoy myself with ladies. Age from 25 and up. I also want to experience beautiful nature and culture. What is the right place for me?

Manila? Palawan? Cebu? Borocay?

I could also imagine hiring a lady to organize and accompany me around. Does that make sense?

What age range do I have to look for? (I don't want them old, I have a lot of old girlfriends back home.).

I hope someone can give me some advice.

My recommendation, just go there with your mind and eyes open. If in Manila, start off in LA Cafe. You'll meet a regular lady just looking for money. If you want to make more of that, then just pay more and if things hit off, then take them on travel as a companion. It's really easy there in the PI overall. Just don't go there with an attitude and wearing a cape believing you are "Superman" there to save some lady and her family. Take your time and what you are looking for will come to you!