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[Bamboo Pete]

Immigration has been fingerprinting long staying foreigners (>6 months) when they apply for their departure certificate. Why there is this departure certificate requirement I can't tell you. Taking someone's fingerprints a week prior to their departure doesn't seem to me the best way to thwart crime. It may aid in solving crimes, but if the criminal has already departed the country it's not an efficient system. Nowadays many countries capture a visitor's fingerprints upon their arrival immigration at the port of entry. I don't see how a government having this info can harm me; if they're going to frame me for something the might the state wields is so massive it can do so at anytime. The only things I'd worry about are a) hackers capturing my personal info from a gov't system or b) someone at the immigration office selling my info to telemarketers.

If they register us in a data base, it would be easier for them to bring things together. I was searching several threads yesterday looking for the discussion, if doctors have the duty of notification (but couldn't find it) . Just as an example, if a doctor would find a STD and he would report it, than this information goes into the same data base and you will have trouble next time you enter Philippines. Maybe they don't even let you in anymore. Just a thought.

[Questor55]

According to a news report there are approximately 1700 OFWs working in the three nations of West Africa hardest hit by the Ebola outbreak and an additional 100 Philippines peacekeepers in Liberia. What's alarming is that the government, in typical fashion, seems to have no plan to safeguard this country from potentially infected returnees. (I guess that is left in God's hands.) Given the state of the public health system and the general incompetence displayed by politicians and officials, this could indeed be a ticking time bomb!

[Hutsori]

Doesn't make me entirely comfortable either AV, but I'm not going to get paranoid about it. I was fingerprinted using the old ink pad technology, when I applied for my first ACR about nine years ago, and again (electronically) the last time I renewed my driver's license. I'm not sure what, if anything, the government here does with the digitized information, but I'm guessing not much.

GE.

Immigration has been fingerprinting long staying foreigners (>6 months) when they apply for their departure certificate. Why there is this departure certificate requirement I can't tell you. Taking someone's fingerprints a week prior to their departure doesn't seem to me the best way to thwart crime. It may aid in solving crimes, but if the criminal has already departed the country it's not an efficient system. Nowadays many countries capture a visitor's fingerprints upon their arrival immigration at the port of entry. I don't see how a government having this info can harm me; if they're going to frame me for something the might the state wields is so massive it can do so at anytime. The only things I'd worry about are a) hackers capturing my personal info from a gov't system or b) someone at the immigration office selling my info to telemarketers.

[GoodEnough]

GE, Clark field office is efficient also. Not comfortable with this. I know it has been brought on by all the Mumbai & ROK over stayers grossly abusing the system but it feels like a noose slowly tightening. Not a friendly feeling to be required to be fingerprinted. Its kind of laughable because they don't check the veracity of your info anyway.

AV.

Doesn't make me entirely comfortable either AV, but I'm not going to get paranoid about it. I was fingerprinted using the old ink pad technology, when I applied for my first ACR about nine years ago, and again (electronically) the last time I renewed my driver's license. I'm not sure what, if anything, the government here does with the digitized information, but I'm guessing not much.

GE.

[Amavida]

And if you look closely you find that they often have crude misspellings within the instruction sheets and even on the outside of the box. Even the manufacturer's name: "Eli Lily and Company. ".

By all means use caution, yes. Over ten years I have found that the generic Viagra sold on the street is what it is claimed to be. Yes, the boxes are reproductions of the original manufacturer box. Cost of the genetics are roughly one fourth of the pharmacy sold product. I have purchased both from time to time.

My sample size is not that big, I don't nip down to the local hawker 3 times a week LOL!

YMMV.

AV.

[Amavida]

I agree with your first takeaway. But following the article, living in a high socio-economic zip code is likely to get you directed to more expensive products. So that would be a takeaway for those who want to be led to high-end products. And for people who don't want to be led to high-end products, do you think that's the takeaway advice?

Nope, I don't believe that's what the study was saying Skip. That's extrapolating to far.

AV.

[Soapy Smith]

The take home message from the study was: 1) use the worlds most expensive phone (iPhone) & 2) Be in an high socio economic zip code (or have an IP address originating from one). No, not slum address at all Skip! AV.

I agree with your first takeaway. But following the article, living in a high socio-economic zip code is likely to get you directed to more expensive products. So that would be a takeaway for those who want to be led to high-end products. And for people who don't want to be led to high-end products, do you think that's the takeaway advice?

[Soapy Smith]

One of the reasons I'm wary is because these Indian-made generics sold in the street are packaged in Viagra or Cialis boxes.

And if you look closely you find that they often have crude misspellings within the instruction sheets and even on the outside of the box. Even the manufacturer's name: "Eli Lily and Company. ".

[Hutsori]

!myself & countless thousands of customers say it is the generic drug brought in from Indian factory pharmacies. It has always been the real deal over nearly 10 years in my experience.

Then there are the guys who don't buy it but insist its fake.

I'll let others be the judge on whose word to take.

Cheers mate.

AV.

I look at this from the economics viewpoint. Why do black markets arise? Most commonly because things are very restricted / forbidden or they are priced prohibitively. Is sildenafil citrate difficult to obtain in the Philippines? No. Absolutely not. Even though a prescription is required I have never, ever have produced one. And this holds true for all types of pharmaceuticals here. So, is sildenafil expensive? A 50 MG tablet is less than p60 at Generics. I can be tight, sometimes Cheap Charlie tight, but even I will concede $1.50 isn't a bad value. So, if sildenafil is easy to obtain and cheap, what sustains the black market? I suspect it's ignorance or impulse or both.

Since most potential customers are from countries where drugs are more difficult to obtain these guys assume the rest of the world works that way. Human nature, I guess. I know it was a revelation to me when I found that chemists in many Asian countries didn't require a scrip at all - this was years ago, and things aren't so permissive anymore. Perhaps these sellers satisfy impulse buyers, guys who really don't need sildenafil back home but who are curious. The hawker in the street in AC or Burgos is more convenient than going to a pharmacy. Does this convenience cost less than $1.50 per 50 MG tablet? I don't know. How well one bazaar haggles may determine this. For me whatever savings I may find at less than $1.50 don't outweigh the risk. And since the pharmacy (many of them actually) is much closer to my condo than the hawker in the street I find it more convenient too.

One of the reasons I'm wary is because these Indian-made generics sold in the street are packaged in Viagra or Cialis boxes. Now, one thing I know is legit generics can't infringe on a trademark. The Indian-made sildenafil sold at Generics Pharmacy is branded Tigerfil. Somehow or another the black market boxes purportedly legit sidenafil in counterfeit packaging. Amazingly this packing is much nicer (convincingly nicer) than that of the legit sildenafil sold in bona fide chemists. Since the packagers of this fake "Viagra" are already involved in selling a product that is partially counterfeit, what's to stop them from taking the next step by putting counterfeit sildenafil in counterfeit boxes? This seems more likely when the target market is impulsive or ignorant. And often drunk. Good sellers know their buyers'... weaknesses. We all know that fake sildenafil exists, http://www.forbes.com/sites/melanieh...-new-data-say/ .

I'm glad to hear the nameless, faceless thousands you know haven't been harmed. That's a good thing. Since all you need is merely that to assure you of the black-market sildenafil's legitimacy and efficacy I reckon we ought to eliminate the MHRA, FDA and other regulatory bodies. If one reads it on the Internet then that's all the guarantee one needs.

I agree a consumer ought to exercise good judgment when deciding whose word to take. The relevant regulatory officials, many of whom are doctors and scientists? Or some Juan in the street? Up to you.

Don't stop believing.

[Amavida]

For most of us who live here, the government has imposed a new requirement requiring long-staying foreigners to register their fingerprints with the BOI, and then to carry a new identity card, presumably with additional information embedded in the chip. My attorney, who handles all of our corporate as well as my personal affairs, arranged for me to meet a specific person at the Davao BOI and, though I more or less dreaded the experience, the whole thing was quite pleasant, took less than 30 minutes and was rather efficient. I think the deadline for compliance is sometime in mid-November.

GE.

GE, Clark field office is efficient also. Not comfortable with this. I know it has been brought on by all the Mumbai & ROK over stayers grossly abusing the system but it feels like a noose slowly tightening. Not a friendly feeling to be required to be fingerprinted. Its kind of laughable because they don't check the veracity of your info anyway.

AV.

[Amavida]

For most of us who live here, the government has imposed a new requirement requiring long-staying foreigners to register their fingerprints with the BOI, and then to carry a new identity card, presumably with additional information embedded in the chip. My attorney, who handles all of our corporate as well as my personal affairs, arranged for me to meet a specific person at the Davao BOI and, though I more or less dreaded the experience, the whole thing was quite pleasant, took less than 30 minutes and was rather efficient. I think the deadline for compliance is sometime in mid-November.

GE.

GE, Clark field office is efficient also. Not comfortable with this. I know it has been brought on by all the Mumbai & ROK overstsyers grossly abusing the system but it feels like a noose slowly tightening. Not a friendly feeling to be required to be fingerprinted. Its kind of laughable because they don't check the veracity of your info anyway.

AV.

[Amavida]

I ignore much of what my mother taught me, but "Don't put that in your mouth," still holds true for me in this case. The street V may be the real deal, and it may not be. Plenty of counterfeit goods make their way here. Hopefully the worst one gets is sawdust coloured blue and bonded with glue, but one could find something much more toxic. Is the possibility of poisoning oneself really worth it?

To the OP, there are dozens if not hundreds of posts in the forum that cover this in much detail.

This subject really ought to have a sticky. edit: And now it does - http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3632-The-Viagra-Dialogue-Buying-medicine-for-your-cock&p=1637500#post1637500

!myself & countless thousands of customers say it is the generic drug brought in from Indian factory pharmacies. It has always been the real deal over nearly 10 years in my experience.

Then there are the guys who don't buy it but insist its fake.

I'll let others be the judge on whose word to take.

Cheers mate.

AV.

[Hutsori]

For most of us who live here, the government has imposed a new requirement requiring long-staying foreigners to register their fingerprints with the BOI, and then to carry a new identity card, presumably with additional information embedded in the chip. My attorney, who handles all of our corporate as well as my personal affairs, arranged for me to meet a specific person at the Davao BOI and, though I more or less dreaded the experience, the whole thing was quite pleasant, took less than 30 minutes and was rather efficient. I think the deadline for compliance is sometime in mid-November.

GE.

Good post. Every visit I've made at the Makati BOI has been pleasant and efficient.

[Hutsori]

Buy Viagra cheap on the street when you get here, its the real generic drug courtesy of Indian factory pharmacies. Or walk into a Watsons 'Drug Store' as Americans like to call it and buy over the counter. Mercury drug Stores can be a little pernicitky about asking for a script. Cialis has supply problems so is not available. YMMV.

AV.

I ignore much of what my mother taught me, but "Don't put that in your mouth," still holds true for me in this case. The street V may be the real deal, and it may not be. Plenty of counterfeit goods make their way here. Hopefully the worst one gets is sawdust coloured blue and bonded with glue, but one could find something much more toxic. Is the possibility of poisoning oneself really worth it?

To the OP, there are dozens if not hundreds of posts in the forum that cover this in much detail.

This subject really ought to have a sticky. edit: And now it does - http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3632-The-Viagra-Dialogue-Buying-medicine-for-your-cock&p=1637500#post1637500

[GoodEnough]

For most of us who live here, the government has imposed a new requirement requiring long-staying foreigners to register their fingerprints with the BOI, and then to carry a new identity card, presumably with additional information embedded in the chip. My attorney, who handles all of our corporate as well as my personal affairs, arranged for me to meet a specific person at the Davao BOI and, though I more or less dreaded the experience, the whole thing was quite pleasant, took less than 30 minutes and was rather efficient. I think the deadline for compliance is sometime in mid-November.

GE.