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[Member #3428]

I'll give you an idea. Something that a lot of people want and would pay for: a decent steak. Seems most of the beef there is that grass-fed Aussie stuff and tough as hell.

Also do you think Filipino's would know what to do with a decent steak? To me that's like giving a bum on the street a fine wine...

[Member #3428]

Heck the King ranch is in Hawaii, if they can do it there, why not the PI? (except its a lot cooler in Hawaii)

King ranch gets a crap load of money for movies, commercials, and tours to suppliment it's income in today's day and age...

[Jambo]

Keep the options coming! excellent!

I'll give you an idea. Something that a lot of people want and would pay for: a decent steak. Seems most of the beef there is that grass-fed Aussie stuff and tough as hell.

I know you can get corn there, but I don't know if anyone grows field corn which you should feed to cattle. Maybe you could commission it to be grown for your ranch. You may have lots of "leakage" at night, so keep the steers up in a barn. And if you are doing that, then why not go the whole-hog Kobe beef thing. Keep the steers confined and feed them beer and such. You could get cheap labor to clean out the barns, and you can sell the manure.

But to be sustainable, you will need a yearly supply of yearlings, so you will need cows and at least one bull.

I know Delmonte imported some cattle to Bukidnon in an experiment to see if the cows would help eat up the normal waste from pineapple harvesting. I don't think they are happy with the result, maybe they will sell you some. They have horses to punch the cows also.

If you are going to have cows and calves, you will need something like grassland.

Heck the King ranch is in Hawaii, if they can do it there, why not the PI? (except its a lot cooler in Hawaii)

[Blackangst]

Well, good luck laylow. At least its nice to see your story is changing somewhat as to your goals as others have given input. I think the bottom line is you are a ways away. And I dont know about the whole wife and kid thing. American women are far less forgiving, and the possibility of this backfiring and becoming very expensive, especially if she has family in the PI, is very high. As others have said, there are no secrets in the Phils. I hope you get what Im saying...

I would also suggest you spend some time in the residency/visa thread to get some wisom there.

Good luck~

[Sammon]

@Ratzo & Finrod - Regarding fucking the girls in my area. I guess I should have been more detailed somewhat. I didn’t mean I’d be having sex with girls in my own area where I live but rather banging bargirls in the P.I. in general. You see, my idea is this. As long as I’m in the P.I. getting to where I can bang bar girls or even regular girls is much easier than it is from here. Even if I’m in some province in the boonies, hoping on a Cebu pacific flight to AC or wherever is about $20-30 bucks so nothing really. That’s not much. Hell, I could do a weekly or monthly sex trip for a couple of days to keep me grounded and focused.

On top of that, I do know retired military who live there and also I know the relatives of my wife and the relatives of my close filipino friends here. And I have visited the P.I. before. I posted my reports of it here on the forum right after the trip. :)

@GoodEnough - yeah the legal system issue is one I’d probably have wherever I go overseas so nothing I can do about that.

@Robbaf - hmm, I’ll have to check on that one. I thought she could own land there. You see, she was born here in the USA only. Almost immediately after her birth, she was raised in the Philippines until she was 18 afterwhich she returned to the USA. So, I think she CAN own land but I’ll check to be sure since I’m not 100% certain.

@Blackangst - I think there are places that have cheap farmland but I just have to find them. (at least I’m hoping so)

keep the good advice flowing. I’m taking notes and talking to my local filipino friends here where I live about the advice I read here.

I do feel I kinda get what the deal is generally now. Basically I'll need a bit more than $70K. If, in fact, my wife can own land then all I need to do is find cheap land and I'm set. Other than that, I'll need some kind of monthly income coming in even if it is small as long as it is something. To remedy this, #1. I could stay in the military for 20 years and use my pension there OR #2. move to the P.I., establish the farm, and let my wife continue to work here in the USA while I take care of the kids and the farm (my wife is a pediatric MD if you're curious) or #3. as a last option I could just let my mother finance the whole thing only if I get into trouble financially. My parents financially are extremely stable. so in short:

1. find a way to buy the land and put a house on it
2. have a monthly income even if small

P.S. - I wonder how many of you guys have successful filipina wives not girlfriends that are taking care you...? i mean that seriously too. mine isn't taking care of me entirely but she sure does make waayy more than I do. I only ask this because I wonder does that fact change anything regarding the continual discussion of trusting one's filipina wife...?

My previous GF from Leyte showed me a nice house built by a german who also owns some farmland and has couple of stores. I guess he makes some money. He leases the farmland to locals so that they can cultivate rice and pay him rent.
It is not unheard of for foreigners to invest money and earn a living in PHI if they are married to a local. Once again the age old question is are you going to be fleeced? Can you trust a local girl? Do you have enough protection from the corrupt system? What I heard is kidnapping for ransom is a real threat all over PHI.

[GoodEnough]

well I speak Tagalog and one provincial dialect which is Ilocano. I'm not sure what area in the Philippines I'll be in permanently so Tagalog will have to suffice for now. but when I finalize the area plans, I will definitely get to work on learning the local dialect.

aide organizations promoting village farmers. that's a good idea! I'm googling that now but any top notch ones off the topic of your head? Keep the options coming! excellent!

There are lots of organizations promoting and working with small farmers, several of them supported by donor organizations. Norminveggies (headquartered in CDO) is one of the largest, but there are several, similar organizations all over Mindanao. Most of these organizations help farmers negotiate higher, bulk prices with exporters or out-shippers, and teach farmers how to respond to market needs through "cluster farming." This is not an Aggie board, but if you want more information on some of these organizations, PM me and I'll send it to you.

GE

[Laylow3]

You mention speak to a local farmer... which makes me think do you even speak the local dialects? If you are serious get into language classes ASAP if you are moving to a different country. Also you seem to say you know about farming... one thing to do is to work for an aide organization that works to promote / help village farmers while you are setting up your operation.

well I speak Tagalog and one provincial dialect which is Ilocano. I'm not sure what area in the Philippines I'll be in permanently so Tagalog will have to suffice for now. but when I finalize the area plans, I will definitely get to work on learning the local dialect.

aide organizations promoting village farmers. that's a good idea! I'm googling that now but any top notch ones off the topic of your head? Keep the options coming! excellent!

[Member #3428]

you know I was joking about the hogging all the girls, right? ok, just checking. Yeah, I won't risk everything. Just chatting openly about my plans with you all has given me better insight from people on the ground there. Among other things I mentioned, I know now I need to speak with a foreigner that's a farmer in P.I. and Africa also as an alternative.

yeah things will probably change in a couple of years but no need to fret over the inevitable unknown, right? :)

Mate, for one thing there is NEVER a shortage of girls in SEA. When a 22 year old shoots me down there are thousands of 20 and 21 year old's waiting in the wings (and even younger then that).... And same for all of us. I've actually never been jealous over another guy and his girl as there are just too many choices.

You mention speak to a local farmer... which makes me think do you even speak the local dialects? If you are serious get into language classes ASAP if you are moving to a different country. Also you seem to say you know about farming... one thing to do is to work for an aide organization that works to promote / help village farmers while you are setting up your operation.

Too many options to think about...

[Laylow3]

Discourage you or make sure you are thinking things through are totally different items. Being prepared with a safety net and an "out" is better then jumping in not knowing what shit pile you are jumping into. Fine go ahead jump out of the plane without a back up parachute mate.

You asked the questions not us. I for one, my negativity is that you have not put your toe into the water to test the temperature but you seem ready to jump in head first. You got kids and a wife. It's a great dream just have your "out" ready and be ready to use it, don't be stupid and risk everything.

Now you say you are years away from doing this? By then a totally different government could be in control, different laws, a different country could be a better option or change or whatever. So basically now this is just your dream in a couple years down the road.... back to fantasy land.... GROAN....

you know I was joking about the hogging all the girls, right? ok, just checking. Yeah, I won't risk everything. Just chatting openly about my plans with you all has given me better insight from people on the ground there. Among other things I mentioned, I know now I need to speak with a foreigner that's a farmer in P.I. and Africa also as an alternative.

yeah things will probably change in a couple of years but no need to fret over the inevitable unknown, right? :)

[Member #3428]

or you guys could just be trying to discourage me from settling there to save all the sexy bar girls for yourselves. Not going to work, I will be there soon after only in a couple of years. haha. :)

Discourage you or make sure you are thinking things through are totally different items. Being prepared with a safety net and an "out" is better then jumping in not knowing what shit pile you are jumping into. Fine go ahead jump out of the plane without a back up parachute mate.

You asked the questions not us. I for one, my negativity is that you have not put your toe into the water to test the temperature but you seem ready to jump in head first. You got kids and a wife. It's a great dream just have your "out" ready and be ready to use it, don't be stupid and risk everything.

Now you say you are years away from doing this? By then a totally different government could be in control, different laws, a different country could be a better option or change or whatever. So basically now this is just your dream in a couple years down the road.... back to fantasy land.... GROAN....

[Laylow3]

For 70 K, living off land, moving to a foreign land, screwing hot girls, while having a family... look for fantasy land... If it is as easy as you make it sound to be then everyone would be doing what you propose. And having your wife stay at home and work to support your mongering in her national country... hahahahahaha that's funny... good luck....

very very very few mongers who are married with kids, especially living in a foreign land, will monger close to home when living in the provinces.

Well, with the exception of living off the land, you all do it, don't you? I mentioned that I could continue to save and then after I do 20 in the military I could take my pension and move there. DragonSlayer has a family (filipina wife & kids), his own place there, and beds hot girls. Warbucks inquired why I'm so intent on settling down in the P.I.. Another reason because others have, and have recommended that I follow suit. My only difference with them is that I desire to live off the land totally and I guess I need to save up more funds obviously. :) I realize now that $70K won't be enough so I'll be sure to save up probably at least double that before I make the definite transition there for good. At least another 5-6 years then that is if I choose the P.I. which I'm sure I will.

I must also add that having a farm in the Philippines should also be much cheaper than having a farm here in the USA. The cost of a purchasing a horse, pigs, farm animals is much cheaper there than here by far. I get the feeling that a pessimistic air is circulating unnecessarily. Let's say I just screw it and just get "cheap" land here in the USA in a place like Alabama or Mississippi. Is the danger associated with the "fearsome" tribes that were mentioned here earlier by someone really that different than than the racist rednecks in the backwoods of those southern states? Will the law be on my side since I'm not Caucasian? There will be danger wherever I go. I am glad to get some great advice here but I see it (my plans) as totally possible. I just found out that my wife CAN apply to obtain dual citizenship which she is going to apply for soon. So, I just need to find the cheap land in a decent area. I'm sure it's there. Everything else is general and can be said about almost any place. no matter where I go there will always be something bad that one can ***** about but it all boils down to is it worth it. I myself have to make it work. no-one ever got anything worthwhile by taking the easy route. but I will take your advice and #1. be extremely careful with the mongering #2. make sure we have a couple of thousand dollars saved up after we pay for the house/animals and the land #3. have my wife get her dual citizenship. Thanks guys!

I could be wrong but living in Luzon and mongering in the Visayas shouldn't be a problem. but I could be wrong. but even if I banged just one girl every month or 2 months then that would still be better than being here in the USA. or you guys could just be trying to discourage me from settling there to save all the sexy bar girls for yourselves. Not going to work, I will be there soon after only in a couple of years. haha. :)

[Member #3428]

I will admit without shame if the P.I. will NOT work out.

Myself as a foreigner in different countries, and as one poster already raised to you, besides the financial constraints... very very very few mongers who are married with kids, especially living in a foreign land, will monger close to home when living in the provinces. That is a sure way to loose everything you have including your life. You think things are private, everyone knows everything in many of the provinces of SEA countries. Gossip is the local sport.

You're looking for a CHEAP place to do your plan and monger... any place will be a 3rd or 4th world country for that amount (and no matter what that amount is not sufficient IMHO) and there are their own unwritten rules and laws in those countries. I'm from a 4th world country and any outsider coming in faces a difficult up hill battle even if our Foreign Investment laws look attractive. What is in paper is not the real story. And if the foreigner is found to hurt or cheat on a local wife, hurt cheat a local person, not pay off or honor or respect the right people, there are serious repercussions. And I would laugh at any foreigner who came here with 70 K as he will be broke in a moment.

For example I can go without paying my taxes for 10 years without penalty but if you do not bow below the eye sight of a higher up or show disrespect to a leader you could find your home broken into and destroyed. Do NOT pick up and move to a country that you hear about or read about and expect it to be heaven. The grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence. You can spend 70 K just travelling to find the right country let alone the right province and such.

For 70 K, living off land, moving to a foreign land, screwing hot girls, while having a family... look for fantasy land... If it is as easy as you make it sound to be then everyone would be doing what you propose. And having your wife stay at home and work to support your mongering in her national country... hahahahahaha that's funny... good luck....

[Laylow3]

Laylow3,

You seem hell bent on living in PI as a young guy.

Also, I have to ask you "why"?

Well, I really want it to work out because she's from there and I thought it would be nice to be settle down in a cheap country that has access to cheap girls and people I know. now, of course I don't mean local filipinos but rather retired military. plenty over there. but as I said in my previous posts, I will admit without shame if the P.I. will NOT work out.

Please suggest other places/countries where you all think my plan would work out great. Not just Asia but any SAFE country in the world. I am very open to suggestions/help please. If not P.I. then what places do you all think it would work? I was looking at safe countries in Africa for starters...

[Nolz7]

IMHO, I won't invest on a property that I can not own.

[Laylow3]

Which implies that you cannot be so far off the grid that you can't get away easily. Which implies that you have the funds/income to finance your getaways. Which implies that us$70k ain't going to be enough to fund it all.

I won't be spending the kind of money that most guys I know spend on my weekly or monthly trips. I've visited AC, Manila, and Cebu. Considering how much money I spent during my almost 6 weeks in the P.I., my sex excursions won't be that expensive at all, I foresee. Unless that is, I start to want very nice things as I get older or inflation kicks my rear-end. but I know I didn't spend that much money at all when I went there last year.

I don't want to rain on your parade, and I understand and admire what you want to do, but I'm not sure this is the best place to do it.

GE

You're not raining on my parade. I'm believe I'm realistic enough to acknowledge that if I honestly feel I can't achieve what I'm after in the Philippines then I will abandon the idea of settling down there in Pinas. P.I. isn't my only option of course. I'm not putting all my eggs in one basket. Just so you all know, I'm also actively looking into the prospect of resettling in South Africa or another safe area nearby. I have two colleagues there who claim the price of land is very cheap and they also understand exactly what my goals are just like you all now understand what I want to do. They say Africa is an excellent place to consider if the Philippines plan doesn't pan out. Actually, they are downright opposed to the idea of me living in the Philippines but they do know my wife so they can understand why P.I. is my first option instead of Africa. Also, Africa is considering giving African-Americans the option of dual citizenship. Not possible yet but it's a work in progress from what I understand.