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[Ratszo]

Yes, that's all I want to do is have a house, grow food on it, and live as self-sufficiently as I possibly can. Hopefully nothing that will cost a lot or recurring bills. (except for the continual sex with the bargirls....) My plan is for it to be totally off-the-grid and self-sustainable. I plan on modeling my farm after some farms I have seen on the Big Island in Hawai'i and other places I've traveled. That's where my motivation comes from. I have seen with my own eyes people who live off the land comfortably with no income. I am grateful to be getting some feedback here from you guys because I definitely need it. All my filipino friends here have been telling me to just go there already, buy the land, and start being a farmer. Good intentions but I know it's not THAT easy and you all are working professionals and can offer a much better picture of the difficulties I might potentially run into. Please keep them coming! :)

but ultimately, if others can live off the grid completely then so can I. I just have to have a good plan that's all.

I am definitely NOT moving to the PI with the intent of making money at all. I'm going there because I want to be all by myself and have sex with bargirls until I croak. Those are the only two reasons. I was considering just moving back to my hometown which is very much a farm community with land available (but kinda expensive at $5-6K an acre) but of course there would be no cheap hot bargirls to fuck easily.

So, it seems you all concur that with the intent to be a farmer ONLY with a house then $70K is fine. (that would include frequent sex w/ bargirls as time permits when not on the farm or busy w/ family matters) Sounds good then. Now Ratszo inquired about which province I was considering settling down at. I don't really know. This is where I could really use you all's help. I am sure there is farm land in the P.I. available at the price I want but I don't know how to find it. I've spoken with my filipino friends here and they say that land in the province isn't sold online or commercially. It is sold by word of mouth or via friends. So, how in the hell do I find the land I'm looking for from my location here in the USA? My friends also told that if I see land on the internet automatically that means it is marked up waayy above what it's worth and that I should get my wife to purchase it there in the P.I. definitely. This is all confusing and I am having NO luck finding any info on the web. What are you guys experience and advice regarding this??

Dude, when I asked, 'What province', it was retorical.

There is no province giving away farmland cheap to anyone, nevermind a long-nose.

You must be thinking of Big Rock Candy Mountain Province,

"In the Big Rock Candy Mountains you never change your socks
And the little streams of alcohol come a-trickling down the rocks
The brakemen have to tip their hats and the railroad bulls are blind
There's a lake of stew and of whiskey too
You can paddle all around 'em in a big canoe
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains"

My father-in-law grows rice in the highlands Negros Is. off the grid.

There are no bar girls there. Every woman there is someone's sister.

You'd be shot dead in under a year fucking local girls.

Off-the-grid pinoy style is NPA turf. Screw around and you are a dead man.

In the Luzon highlands, no NPA, they hate commies.

They are tribal. Before they kill you, they''ll flay you alive to honor their heathen Gods.

Ratz

[Puerto La Cruz]

Yes you are correct, they can inherit land, but cannot legally buy land.

http://realestatecagayan.com/faqs.php

Question #5:When my children were born, I was already an American citizen. Can they inherit my land in the Philippines?

Yes. Foreign nationals (even if they were not former natural-born Philippine citizens) can own land in the Philippines if they acquire it by inheritance. These nationals should, however, inherit the property by intestate succession. Intestate succession means that the foreign national inherits the property because he/she is an heir under Philippine law. Naming one’s heir by executing a “last Will and Testament” or a “Living Will” will not work to validly transfer real property in the Philippines to a foreign national.

I also lived on Guam for nine years and understand what you are saying about the dual citizenship:(

Robb

You need to go to law school and learn the difference between testate and intestate succession and a simple living will. Leave those answers to people like me, although the question you tried to answer was quite vague.

Trust me, I'm a lawyer.

[Blackangst]

Man, youve got some obsicles. First...you, nor your wife, can own land in the PI. So...who will you lease from? It sounds like you know NO ONE over there. Second, have even visited? I mean, like in the provinces? Third...you said you want to fuck bar girls for the rest of your life. That narrows down where you can actually live. Fourth...i browsed a few places and am seeing prices...agricultural, 52 hectars in Aklan, P65,260,000. Heres another...P250/meter....do the math. You dont even have a down payment.


man I appreciate what youre trying to do. But honestly, at this point its not doable. Not even close. You are maybe 20% away money wise, and you really need to establish some trusted contacts to pull it off. Not to mention find a way to actually buy the land.

[Robbaf]

You sure? filipina's / filipino's born in usa can inherit the land of their parents and I know many born in USA that own land (or so it appears and I think and as I see it). Being born in USA makes you a US Citizen. I know a ton of people born, raised, live in Guam (true it is a territory) that own land in PI but also some from San Fran and NYC.

The qty of of people on the plane with me with dual US / Philippines passports is outrageous. Plus a person I know gave a local church a donation on got a baptism or such report for his ID cards / passports and he was NOT from that area. You and GE and others have more knowledge on legalities then I do but I'm "seeing" something that appears to go against this statement.

Yes you are correct, they can inherit land, but cannot legally buy land.

http://realestatecagayan.com/faqs.php

Question #5:When my children were born, I was already an American citizen. Can they inherit my land in the Philippines?

Yes. Foreign nationals (even if they were not former natural-born Philippine citizens) can own land in the Philippines if they acquire it by inheritance. These nationals should, however, inherit the property by intestate succession. Intestate succession means that the foreign national inherits the property because he/she is an heir under Philippine law. Naming one’s heir by executing a “last Will and Testament” or a “Living Will” will not work to validly transfer real property in the Philippines to a foreign national.

I also lived on Guam for nine years and understand what you are saying about the dual citizenship:(

Robb

[Member #3428]

I also think if your wife is a natural born US citizen, she can't own land in the Philippines.
Robb

You sure? filipina's / filipino's born in usa can inherit the land of their parents and I know many born in USA that own land (or so it appears and I think and as I see it). Being born in USA makes you a US Citizen. I know a ton of people born, raised, live in Guam (true it is a territory) that own land in PI but also some from San Fran and NYC.

The qty of of people on the plane with me with dual US / Philippines passports is outrageous. Plus a person I know gave a local church a donation on got a baptism or such report for his ID cards / passports and he was NOT from that area. You and GE and others have more knowledge on legalities then I do but I'm "seeing" something that appears to go against this statement.

[Robbaf]

well my wife is a local filipina girl here in the usa. a usa citizen from birth. trust isn’t a problem between us not that her citizenship has anything to do with it but i’m just saying.

I also think if your wife is a natural born US citizen, she can't own land in the Philippines.
Robb

[Member #3428]

Tansak

Have already got some neoprene following our discussions a while back.....perfect for Cebu girl but she does like her handcuffs as she is getting a tad 'harder' in her BDSM needs.....well ama good teacher :D

I did state, as your sport and trust grows then you do need to add more extensive gear. For example one lady I am with won't be put into anything unless it is full leather as she loves the feel of leather.

But to start out a lady, and for inspection issues in our home areas... neoprene is a good starter system. For custom work if you get a basic set and are creative you can go to your local scuba store, they have webbing and clips and hooks and you can make your own unique gear to go with the items you purchase on line.

[GoodEnough]

I don't know if anyone has told you this yet, but on the off chance they haven't, among your other difficulties will be the fact that you cannot own land here. Your only alternative--or at least the only alternative that occurs to me--is to purchase land in the name of a local, and that is fraught with risks too numerous to mention at this early hour of the morning. You can own a house, but you cannot own the land on which it sits or the surrounding farmland.

Remember too that you will have no legal protection whatsoever. The legal system here is, to be kind, non-functional, particularly for foreigners so you will always be at risk of someone taking what you think you have away from you. The only expat farmers that I know of here own farms in the names of their wives--but you don't seem to want a wife so this option probably will not work for you.

I don't want to rain on your parade, and I understand and admire what you want to do, but I'm not sure this is the best place to do it.

GE

[Laylow3]

I've seen a lot of issues that you are not considering.

Basically what we are all seem to be telling you in our own opinions from living / working / etc... in SEA, 70 K is not enough, you want to build a hut and grow food and eat it and do nothing else then OK maybe. But you should have a lot more, and you should keep or get a side job or something that has money coming in that will pay bills.

I love your spirit, your goals and your quest for independence... but dude... there's a lot out there you are not considering. And once you are going someone usually wants to tear you down.

Good Luck...

Yes, that's all I want to do is have a house, grow food on it, and live as self-sufficiently as I possibly can. Hopefully nothing that will cost a lot or recurring bills. (except for the continual sex with the bargirls....) My plan is for it to be totally off-the-grid and self-sustainable. I plan on modeling my farm after some farms I have seen on the Big Island in Hawai'i and other places I've traveled. That's where my motivation comes from. I have seen with my own eyes people who live off the land comfortably with no income. I am grateful to be getting some feedback here from you guys because I definitely need it. All my filipino friends here have been telling me to just go there already, buy the land, and start being a farmer. Good intentions but I know it's not THAT easy and you all are working professionals and can offer a much better picture of the difficulties I might potentially run into. Please keep them coming! :)

but ultimately, if others can live off the grid completely then so can I. I just have to have a good plan that's all.

A very wise man who family is very successful in business in province, manila, NYC, San Fran, and into politics told me point blank, the only way a foreigner will make a million dollars in his province in the Philippines is if he shows up and starts with 10 million... (if you don't understand this, he was saying they'll (the local filipino's) take 9 million but be nice and leave 1 million with the foreigner)

I am definitely NOT moving to the PI with the intent of making money at all. I'm going there because I want to be all by myself and have sex with bargirls until I croak. Those are the only two reasons. I was considering just moving back to my hometown which is very much a farm community with land available (but kinda expensive at $5-6K an acre) but of course there would be no cheap hot bargirls to fuck easily.

So, it seems you all concur that with the intent to be a farmer ONLY with a house then $70K is fine. (that would include frequent sex w/ bargirls as time permits when not on the farm or busy w/ family matters) Sounds good then. Now Ratszo inquired about which province I was considering settling down at. I don't really know. This is where I could really use you all's help. I am sure there is farm land in the P.I. available at the price I want but I don't know how to find it. I've spoken with my filipino friends here and they say that land in the province isn't sold online or commercially. It is sold by word of mouth or via friends. So, how in the hell do I find the land I'm looking for from my location here in the USA? My friends also told that if I see land on the internet automatically that means it is marked up waayy above what it's worth and that I should get my wife to purchase it there in the P.I. definitely. This is all confusing and I am having NO luck finding any info on the web. What are you guys experience and advice regarding this??

[Wicked Roger]

Best is that I use a neoprene handcuff set (hands, ankle, can attach to bed in spread eagle or hog tie, arms to neck, arms to thigh etc...) that has straps and plastic clips etc... Has endless possibilities. Can even adapt to be used in certain situations on balconies and such. Are comfortable for the girl and in my experience using them not as intimidating as the plastic straps or handcuffs. For girls that are full bore into SM and want the experiences then different gear is needed as you develop your relationships and tastes.

Funny story .... This pissed me off so I said, "sir, massage oil for females ass for use before i have anal sex with them not for your arms" The female checkers and my rent a wife died laughing at him and he got a little upset with me for some reason ;)

Tansak

Have already got some neoprene following our discussions a while back.....perfect for Cebu girl but she does like her handcuffs as she is getting a tad 'harder' in her BDSM needs.....well ama good teacher :D

Be thankful the guy did not ask you for a personal demonstration of the lube ..on you :D Cetainly in the Middle East there could be a good chance of finding a new 'playmate'...:) There is a funny7 story about a gay policeman but best left for when we meet.

See you soon!

[Ratszo]

yeah that’s an darn good option later on down the line. my baby wouldn’t kick me off the land no matter what.

I wonder how big is plantation is. I’m looking for something like 40-50 hectares at about 46000 pesos a hectare in the provinces.

well my wife is a local filipina girl here in the usa. a usa citizen from birth. trust isn’t a problem between us not that her citizenship has anything to do with it but i’m just saying.

Read your back-posts on this. Have an idea or 2.

First, hold on to your cash. Cash is King and you don't wanna be incountry pennyless, ever.

You say, "40-50 hectares at about 46000 pesos a hectare in the provinces. "
What province do you speak of?

On Negros, a 'plantation' means hacienda and hacienda means sugar cane.
Price of sugar is sky high.

Planting mango? Takes over 10 years to start getting yields.

Rice land ain't cheap.

My advice is go slow. Move where your wife's people are. Be very humble, don't flash cash.
Outside of Louzon, Tagalog speakers aren't liked. People think they're stuck-up.
First thing to cultivate is trust with the locals, goodwill.
Go to church, don't be drunk in public, never chase the local girls.

The way the local Pinoy gentleman farmers build wealth over time is simple:
A little bit of this; A little bit of that.

Say mangos. Lease a producing tract, an acre or 2.
Move some of your wife's family on the plot. Fence it, put some hogs on it.

A small rice tract, same thing.

Fish pond, then a market stall, maybe a reunion place.

At your home compound, start producing copra, small livestock.

Step into it over 5-10 years.

Over time, people will come to you. The small tract of rice turns into several. Fishpond gets bigger.
Buy a multi-til/thresher, a rice mill for custom work. Rent out pumps.

At some point a family leasing to you will run into money trouble and will offer you the land for sale at fair market, or less.

When you buy the land, Finance thru the land bank. You'll get the loan because you're a godfearing productive member of the community.
And, no doubt a member of the same Rotary or CoC as the bank manager.
Remember, cash is king. Hold on to it.
Other reasons to finance is someday you may need revolving credit.
But when buying land, one axiom never to forget is,
'Never become worth more dead than alive."

Buy the land with your wife co-sign. Lease it back to yourself in your name.
People will know its mortgaged.

Sure, you trust your wife. But you can't tempt her dumb 3ed cousin into thinking if he wacks both of you, he'll get the fishpond.

That I believe this is how it is done.

On a different note. Was up in Mountain Province last year.
They grow beautiful cooler weather stuff.
They also grow bettlenut. That crop is heavy cash.
I hung at a buyers shack and for 'bout a 4 gallon can, he'd pay 1000-1500p depending on quality.
That's very good money in the Phills.

Good Luck,

ratz

[Member #3428]

I wonder how big is plantation is. I’m looking for something like 40-50 hectares at about 46000 pesos a hectare in the provinces.

I deal in these types of things a lot due to my work. People think if we grow it then we can sell it. It's not that easy. You secure the market first then you grow it. Unfortunately a main part of my job in SEA is works in development and I've seen a lot of issues that you are not considering.

Basically what we are all seem to be telling you in our own opinions from living / working / etc... in SEA, 70 K is not enough, you want to build a hut and grow food and eat it and do nothing else then OK maybe. But you should have a lot more, and you should keep or get a side job or something that has money coming in that will pay bills.

I love your spirit, your goals and your quest for independence... but dude... there's a lot out there you are not considering. A very wise man who family is very successful in business in province, manila, NYC, San Fran, and into politics told me point blank, the only way a foreigner will make a million dollars in his province in the Philippines is if he shows up and starts with 10 million... (if you don't understand this, he was saying they'll (the local filipino's) take 9 million but be nice and leave 1 million with the foreigner).

Don't think your wife because she is filipina will insulate you against some issues. If anything it could create more issues for you. Have you been to PI? Have you looked at operations. I believe there is money to be made in PI but you gotta have money to make the money there and usually connections or something else to get started and going. And once you are going someone usually wants to tear you down.

Good Luck...

[Laylow3]

He put land and a mango plantation in the daughters name.

yeah that’s an darn good option later on down the line. my baby wouldn’t kick me off the land no matter what.

His plans sound same as yours but he never so far has been able to retire and he does have a large plantation and they do sell a lot.

I wonder how big is plantation is. I’m looking for something like 40-50 hectares at about 46000 pesos a hectare in the provinces.

Seriously speaking at some point trust has to be there.

well my wife is a local filipina girl here in the usa. a usa citizen from birth. trust isn’t a problem between us not that her citizenship has anything to do with it but i’m just saying.

[Matius]

I need help and advice from the experienced among this forum. Again, reminder that I am looking for a wife.

I met a girl on CB who claims to be a 29 yr old nurse with a US Tourist visa and she wants to meet. She has a profile and her 1st email were both right on point with my thinking. She seems very serious about a relationship and marriage - or she is a dyed-in-the-wool hard-core scammer.

She says she works 17 hours a day / 6 days a week as a nurse in a hospital in Manila. She has been in CA before 3 years ago, but her fiancé died before they got married.???

She wants to come to the US for 15 days in about 2 weeks. She asked if we can split fare on the plane ticket. I agreed, in fact I was overjoyed at meeting a Filipina that wasn't begging for everything.

TWO years ago, I bought the plane ticket for a girl from Hong Kong to come here and visit for a week. I paid for her whole ticket. I had the best time ever showing her the sights. Had more sex than I could handle and it was clearly money well spent. Plus it was nice to be on home turf for a change with a foreigner. Rather than walking the seedy streets of Manila.

However there are a few Red Flags are popping up.

1. Her profile on CB says age 29 based on the birth date listed. In her email she says she is 33. I asked her in chat today about the discrepancy and she says 29 & that 33 was age of her former boyfriend. Who forgets their age? This makes me uneasy as it’s the small details that make me most suspicious.
2. I asked her for her mailing address to send a card. She says don’t bother we'll see each other in person in the USA before the card arrives here. It still have no address. This is a red flag, but why not just give out a fake address if she were a scammer trying to get plane fare from me in a week?
3. Her 1st email was long - 2,000 words - and seemed very personal. There was just enough detail directed at my early correspondence therein - that it was wholly believable it was written only to me. In retrospect - with some suspicion - it could be mostly a form letter with cleverly added sentences that are of a personal nature.
4. She want to come right away. This could be someone who just wants to meet me or it could be a cleverly constructed scam to get money now and move on. I have read here in the forum that Filipinas live mostly in the present and think little of the future.

My first experience may be making me too trusting. I want this girl to come here, no doubt about that IF she is who she seems to be.

My initial thought was to tell her to buy a 1-way ticket to the US and I will buy her a 1-way ticket home here so she has to come here to get it. She says she has an open B2 tourist visa, but I don’t know what that means. The only flaw in my plan is US Immigration may require her to have a return ticket in her possession when she lands.

Does anyone know a way to buy her a ticket that I can get a refund if not used and she cannot trade in for cash?

Other thoughts, comments or ideas. I greatly appreciate the help.

Thanks!!!

My observations:

1) If you are looking for a wife from the Philippines, you should come here to meet her before sending money. Dating sites are not e-bay.

2) I've never heard of a PERMANENT U.S. tourist visa and for a Filipina to get any tourist visa to the U.S. it is a long and difficult process. I've never heard of the U.S. issueing a tourist visa without knowing the address of intended stay, purpose of visit, etc. Tell her, you need a copy of the tourist visa to book the ticket. Further you need a copy of her passport, have them PDF to you. Tell her to include all entry and departure stamps in the passport. That will tell you the world and if a scam, you will never see any of this.

3)She may be older than 29, in itself a girl lying about her age, is a white lie, no? But if you get her passport you will know.

4) It seems a lot of Filipina have foreign boyfriends that died. Is this just my observation???

5) Not having a mailing address, in and of itself is not unusual here. There is poverty here unlike the U.S., if you see how many (and good people at that) live, you would understand why they don't receive mail.

6) Written English is not so easy for even the educated Filipina. Trying to be generous, she may be looking for a husband much as you are looking for a wife, and has prepared an opening introduction to prospective mates. In itself does not mean she is a scammer.

7) I find it unusual she is pressing you to come to the U.S., this is the biggest red flag in all you've written. A "good" girl is no different than dating anywhere else. I could understand her pressing you to come and meet her family here, once the relationship develops, taking it further. But "I love you" buy me an airplane ticket, is not really the nature of girls here (the good one's).

8) You are correct, even assuming she has a visa, which I doubt, she will be required to have a return ticket. In fact the airline companies won't even book a one way ticket or even an open return ticket. But to your other question, it is entirely possible to get a non-refundable, use by only named, ticket, with set dates for departure and return. What I don't think you can get is to book a ticket in the U.S. for initial departure from the Philippines. I think most airlines require you to book the ticket in the country of initial departure. Once you start booking in the Philippines--meaning send the money there, whether a ticket is ever issued is debatable. But any legitimate booking is going to require your having her passport and visa to book.

Strongly suggest you come to PH, meet the girl, see if there is chemistry, then decide on going further. If you are just trying to save money, cheaper to pay one half fare for 15 days of sex, rather than the expense of a vacation, then you pay your money and take your chances. If you are really serious in finding a wife, suggest you spend a little, take a little time and make an investment in your future.

[Jambo]

She wants to come to the US for 15 days in about 2 weeks. She asked if we can split fare on the plane ticket.
Thanks!!!

You should know that PI nationals do not get tourist visas. They are required to show significant assets in the bank or in property and how mmy can do that and if they can they don't need you. If she shows up there she is prob engaged or married and arrived on one of those visas. Perhaps she is my ex.