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  1. #3345
    I'm a wine lover and a (strictly amateur) oenophile, but I know Filipinos here in Davao--my asawa included--who know at least as much and possibly more than I do about French and Italian reds.

    I often compare the wine knowledge situation here to that of the US when I was growing up. At that time, few Americans, of my parents' generation traveled abroad for business or pleasure, and the wine knowledge of even reasonably well educated American families was limited. All that my parents knew was that "red went with meat" and "white went with fish," and that generalization represented the extent of the wine knowledge of most of my friends' parents as well.

    Skip ahead to my generation, which started to travel extensively to international destinations, and the love for and knowledge about wines has increased exponentially, so that my kids--who visited Europe often with me as children--grew up with wine and as adults drink it often and can differentiate among various AOC'S and vineyards. The upper middle and upper class kids here who are roughly the same age as my children, have traveled widely, often been educated abroad, and have developed a real appreciation for wines, as contrasted to their parents who know very little. Even here in provincial Davao, I have several places from which I can purchase a large variety of European and "New World" wines at a broad spectrum of price levels.

    PS - I guess I lived too long in France, but I'm just not a big fan of Australian, or North or South American wines.
    GE.

    Quote Originally Posted by Omega3  [View Original Post]
    Clearly and well stated, GE.

    It's not just in Davao City that this is increasingly apparent. Unfortunately, some Westerners apparently would prefer not to see or to cognize this upscale and growing segment of Philippines society. Today, there are Internationally Certified Wine Sommeliers who are Filipino / Filipina. There is even a Filipino-owned vineyard in Bordeaux, the internationally recognized Chateau Siran (with a 200+ acre estate).

    Have several Filipino friends who have lovely Filipina girl friends who in turn enjoy and are quite knowledgeable about fine wines.

    And I'm not talking about Novellino.

    OM.

  2. #3344
    Quote Originally Posted by Hutsori  [View Original Post]
    That's the Miailhe family, which was once also a part owner of Chateau Palmer and involved in whole or in part with several others such as Pichon Longueville Lalande, names which to an oenophile are big deals. The current manager, Edouard Miailhe, is the son of William Alain Miailhe de Burgh, who was tied up in some legal wranglings over the fate of Manila's semi-derelict Burke Building, the country's first elevator building, which preservationists wanted to protect from demolition.

    How did they come to be connected to the Philippines? Through the English trading house (now merchant bank) Boustead and Company whose Manila agent Benjamin Butler was managing the local affairs in the 1840's. He married a woman named Margarita Somes and they had one child, a daughter named Victoria Carlotta. She married Dr John Burke (emigrated from Galway, Ireland and a descendant of the Burkes of Clanricarde) in 1868 - that's where the Burke Building gets its name because it was named in honour of the Manila doctor. They had four children, and it seems all were sent to Europe for their studies, for example Trinity College, Dublin. The three sons died childless; one son returned to Manila to practice medicine and he died here in 1946. The sole daughter, Mary, inherited the Butler-Burke family fortune and married Ferdinand Desbarats (a wine merchant family) of Bordeaux, France. They bought Chateau Ducru-Beaucaillou, which was later sold. They had one daughter, Victoria Charlotte, who married a Miailhe and mothered William Alain Miailhe de Burgh. With Victoria's wealth the Miailhe family was able to expand its chateau holdings.

    Though the family has had long trade and business ties with the country, I think it's a bit of stretch to call them a Filipino family. It's certainly much less so than the Ayala-Zobels. Nevertheless, all the intersections of these different nationalities (English, Anglo-Norman Irish, French, and Filipino, with likely a bit of Spanish and maybe even Chinese on the Somes's side) in Manila makes for an interesting history.
    Thanks for the history Huts. I had no idea that one of my favorite Chateaux has a Filipino connection. I just assumed, to the extent I might have thought about it at all, that it was French-owned and operated.

    GE.

  3. #3343
    Quote Originally Posted by Omega3  [View Original Post]
    There is even a Filipino-owned vineyard in Bordeaux, the internationally recognized Chateau Siran (with a 200+ acre estate).
    That's the Miailhe family, which was once also a part owner of Chateau Palmer and involved in whole or in part with several others such as Pichon Longueville Lalande, names which to an oenophile are big deals. The current manager, Edouard Miailhe, is the son of William Alain Miailhe de Burgh, who was tied up in some legal wranglings over the fate of Manila's semi-derelict Burke Building, the country's first elevator building, which preservationists wanted to protect from demolition.

    How did they come to be connected to the Philippines? Through the English trading house (now merchant bank) Boustead and Company whose Manila agent Benjamin Butler was managing the local affairs in the 1840's. He married a woman named Margarita Somes and they had one child, a daughter named Victoria Carlotta. She married Dr John Burke (emigrated from Galway, Ireland and a descendant of the Burkes of Clanricarde) in 1868 - that's where the Burke Building gets its name because it was named in honour of the Manila doctor. They had four children, and it seems all were sent to Europe for their studies, for example Trinity College, Dublin. The three sons died childless; one son returned to Manila to practice medicine and he died here in 1946. The sole daughter, Mary, inherited the Butler-Burke family fortune and married Ferdinand Desbarats (a wine merchant family) of Bordeaux, France. They bought Chateau Ducru-Beaucaillou, which was later sold. They had one daughter, Victoria Charlotte, who married a Miailhe and mothered William Alain Miailhe de Burgh. With Victoria's wealth the Miailhe family was able to expand its chateau holdings.

    Though the family has had long trade and business ties with the country, I think it's a bit of stretch to call them a Filipino family. It's certainly much less so than the Ayala-Zobels. Nevertheless, all the intersections of these different nationalities (English, Anglo-Norman Irish, French, and Filipino, with likely a bit of Spanish and maybe even Chinese on the Somes's side) in Manila makes for an interesting history.

  4. #3342
    Quote Originally Posted by GoodEnough  [View Original Post]
    The generalizations drawn in recent posts about the inability of Filipinas to appreciate, or even enjoy good French food and wine while accurate, are somewhat misleading. If you go the Bon Appetit on a typical Saturday night, you would notice that most of the clientele is Filipino and I'm guessing that about 75% of the client base--that is, regular patrons--is Filipino as well. The difference is that the Filipinos who go there are generally very well off, well educated, well traveled, and thoroughly acclimated to good food, good wine, and a more European dining experience that values social intercourse and a relaxed ambience. It's unfair to compare these relatively sophisticated Filipinos with the less educated, less worldly girls one would take there from the provinces.

    GE.
    Clearly and well stated, GE.

    It's not just in Davao City that this is increasingly apparent. Unfortunately, some Westerners apparently would prefer not to see or to cognize this upscale and growing segment of Philippines society. Today, there are Internationally Certified Wine Sommeliers who are Filipino / Filipina. There is even a Filipino-owned vineyard in Bordeaux, the internationally recognized Chateau Siran (with a 200+ acre estate).

    Have several Filipino friends who have lovely Filipina girl friends who in turn enjoy and are quite knowledgeable about fine wines.

    And I'm not talking about Novellino.

    OM.

  5. #3341
    Quote Originally Posted by JackBurton  [View Original Post]
    If from the UK, think White Ace rather than Buckfast, as Buckfast, at 400 php a bottle, is just too darned expensive. White Ace, at 175 php for 3 liters, hits the Jollibee price mark.

    Even better than Jollibees: Just buy dinner from any random food vendor. The Filipina will be impressed by your knowledge and willingness to eat what she eats, and I've always had good luck with my freelance food purchases. Word: street Viagra is more reliable than street Cialis. Last word; Do NOT, under any circumstances, buy "alcohol" from a street vendor in Russia. Trust me on this.
    Wow Jack you have given us a somewhat jumbled and disconnected international tour on the little old Southern Philippines aka Davao thread.

    I will remember not to buy alcohol on the street in Russia when I next get away from Davao.

  6. #3340
    Quote Originally Posted by WickedRoger  [View Original Post]
    If Aussie say "Jacobs Creek" and then they may suggest it is not sweet enough LOL.

    You forget Westie the other issue of fine dining. The use of the mobile while eating and after scoffing it down fast, using both hands to play games / chat on Facebook etc.

    And if you bring another friend to dinner Westie surely a gentleman (like myself and others we know) would want to have the cutie for a 3 some dessert? Well some of us would (and have!
    If from the UK, think White Ace rather than Buckfast, as Buckfast, at 400 php a bottle, is just too darned expensive. White Ace, at 175 php for 3 liters, hits the Jollibee price mark.

    Even better than Jollibees: Just buy dinner from any random food vendor. The Filipina will be impressed by your knowledge and willingness to eat what she eats, and I've always had good luck with my freelance food purchases. Word: street Viagra is more reliable than street Cialis. Last word; Do NOT, under any circumstances, buy "alcohol" from a street vendor in Russia. Trust me on this.

  7. #3339
    Quote Originally Posted by WestCoast1  [View Original Post]
    If you are American, read "Boone's Farm" or "Ripple".

    And you're probably not going to. I'm with RK. Go thru DragonSlayer's forum, ... Invite one of your good gringo friends to enjoy the meal with you (leave the girl in your hotel room if you trust her, she will much more enjoy the telenova experience), then nap, then ph*ck the girl.
    Although Boone's Farm is still with us, sadly Ripple and Thunderbird have gone away to the great sweet winery in the sky. Try instead MD 20/20 (commonly known as Mad Dog) or Night Train Express (commonly known as Night Train). Mad Dog was 20% alcohol while Night Train tips in at 17.5% alcohol. Fred Sanford (aka Redd Fox) a fine garbage man and wine kind of a sewer (pronounced Connie sewer). Boone's Farm (many varieties) is all less than 10% alcohol (note that 20/20 is no longer at 20%, and only the original flavor is at 18%.

    For an opposing view:

    As majestic as the cascading waters of a drain pipe, MD 20/20 is bottled by the 20/20 wine company in Westfield, New York. This is a good place to start for the street wine rookie, but beware; this dog has a bite to back up its bark. MD Stands for Mogen David, and is affectionately called "Mad Dog 20/20". You'll find this beverage as often in a bum's nest as in the rock quarry where the high school kids sneak off to drink. This beverage is likely the most consumed by non-bums, but that doesn't stop any bums from drinking it! Our research indicates that MD 20/20 is the best of the bum wines at making you feel warm inside. Some test subjects report a slight numbing agent in MD 20/20, similar to the banana paste that the dentist puts in your mouth before injecting it with novacaine. Anyone that can afford a dentist should steer clear of this disaster. Available in various nauseating tropical flavors that coat your whole system like bathtub scum, but only the full "Red Grape Wine" flavor packs the 18% wallop.

    Liquor stores are starting to be infiltrated by a 13% variety of MD 20/20 Red Grape. There is also a new "Blue Raspberry" flavor with "BLING BLING". Even the lowest functioning of bums will know not to get swindled out of 5%.

    As for expensive fine wines from places like France, Italy, or California, Fred Sanford said it best: "It'll never take the place of Sterno. ".

  8. #3338

    Rabbit Hole Redux

    Quote Originally Posted by RedKilt  [View Original Post]
    Filipinas who would enjoy an experience of "several leisurely hours in a peaceful setting, savoring good food and a bottle or two of pleasant wine" are as rare as rocking horse manure Om..
    Ha ha ha. Thank you, RK, spot on. Beauty, mate.

    But, brought to mind the following demented vignette:

    *Fade In.

    Court of the Red King. Side view. Red King, with magnificent gold crown, resplendent on elevated throne at screen right, facing left. Courtiers in fancy colorful dress standing at far side of Alpha. Alpha, simply dressed in plain tunic and breeches, in front of and below the Red King's throne.

    Alpha: But where, your Majesty?

    Red King: My fine young fellow, get thee to the farthest reaches of the lands of mighty King Philip, the Prince of Asturias. Once there, journey to the fair city of Daba-Daba in the Bagobo region, and seek out an audience with the great wooden horse. Then, just wait until the great wooden horse p**pos.

    Alpha: There's no use my trying, your Majesty. One can't believe impossible things.

    Zoom in. Angle to full face view of Red King.

    Red King: Tut, tut, my fine young friend. Nothing is impossible. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast. Cabbages and kings. Oranges growing on apple trees and apples growing on orange trees. Apples and oranges.

    Fade Out.

    What? Hold on, come again what's that about apples and oranges?

    Omega.

    P.S. Am definitely looking forward to peacefully enjoying the fine food and wine in the French bistro in Davao. Have no intention whatsoever of bringing a jejeune pinay to the French bistro. Not my style, and would impede my peaceful enjoyment of fine food and wine. However, reportedly, not all pinays are jejeune or would be out of place in a fine French bistro. Apples and oranges. Ha ha ha. "Sante"!

  9. #3337

    Davao and Digos Feb 2017

    Returned to Davao in Feb, have not been there in two years.

    Grab Taxi.

    Victory Liner Pasay to NAIA Terminal 4; 96 p + 40 p = 136, easy going over. Coming back, my phone would not get enough signal for Grab, so I had to take a taxi from the airport to Victory for 250 p.

    Grab has seats and a Kiosk at NAIA Terminal 4, I have heard some of the kiosks have helpers who can reserve a Grab car for you.

    Grab has ad banners in Davao airport and it says they are in Cebu as well. Taxi stickers also tout a local app called TaxiLink that I did not use. I have also seen Grab website say they are in Dumaguete, Bacolod, and there is anecdotal evidence they are in Angeles City.

    In Davao I used Grab a couple of times just to try it. Worked well near the main streets except, at night, pay attention to the number of the taxi that is coming. I jumped in a random taxi thinking it was my Grab. The number they give you, sometimes its the plate number, sometimes it's the side number of the taxi! In a more distant neighborhood, Grab could not get me a taxi.

    Davao City.

    Electricity. Still some issues, on Sunday the power was up and down several times.

    Traffic. Is slow during rush hours, but reasonable other times. An APEC 50 conference in the center of town did not make it much worse.

    Comms. Davao has 4G data everywhere outdoors! I want to move here just for that.

    Davao Stores.

    Victoria Square. This was the first mall in Davao, and my first place to cruise chicks outside Manila. Its still there.

    Interesting sports department sells.

    Airsoft gear: helmets, masks, pouches, vests, boots, camise.

    Ladies wear: sexy panties, bikinis about 800 p, coin belly dancing outfits.

    Abreeza Mall.

    Condo construction continues here.

    Robinson's store: Girls bikini's 700-900 p but some on sale for about 400 p.

    TGIF is still the only bar in Abressa, and they still do not have cable sports!

    A good looking Middle Eastern restaurant near the food court.

    SM Lanang.

    On the back side, next to the "dancing fountains", the Aussie bar that was here is gone, and so there are no "bars" in this mall. There are several nice restos on the back side, including:

    Vikings buffet $$.

    Mesa.

    A cheap Korean BBQ buffet called Kogi-O.

    Gaisano. A big name in malls throughout the Visayans. Did you know there are two different "Gaisano" companies building shopping malls? And to confuse you even more, there are three "Gaisano" malls in Davao City:

    Central Gaisano. Largest, large restaurant area on the roof called "The Peak". Seems to be waning in popularity. No bars here, but still a decent place to meet girls.

    Midtown Gaisano. Oldest one, mostly used stuff.

    Gaisano South. Newest one.

    Davao Hotels. I noted some new places.

    North End.

    GoHotels Lanang. Close to highway, but wrong side if you are going to town. Cheap restaurants nearby.

    Sumo Asian Hotels Damosa. Could walk to bar and restaurants, and SM Lanang.

    Elena. Lanang next to highway. I remember they had good Wifi, decent restaurant, no pool, not much TV. About 2,300 p w / bfast.

    Drifters. Pool, ok Wifi, breakfast and laundry avail. Fridge and stove. The restaurant and bar are being renovated. Rooms are very large and kitchenettes are included. Very quiet area. About 1,300 p / night.

    Abreeza is also building a beachfront resort in Lanang near Insular Hotel.

    Central.

    Red Planet Hotels. Not far from Abrezza Mall, on the highway.

    South End.

    Casa Leticia Business Inn. South end of town near Ecoland bus terminal. Location in Trip Advisor is wrong. Clean room, ok Wifi. Restaurants. Decent price (1,240 p with bfast) for such a new place. Not close to much. Do not confuse with the older Casa Leticia downtown that all the drivers will assume you are going to. The courtyard is covered by tin roof so maybe noisy in the rain.

    Davao Clubs. Pretty good time here, and it helped that there were cool breezes at night. People in Davao go to clubs late 10 pm, they go with a group, and they buy beer in buckets.

    Brick Lane Square. Downtown near Gaisano mall. Polo Street past F Torres Street. Taxi's don't know this place, start down Pedro "Heel" street (Pedro Gil), use Google navigation.

    A few interesting places outside the square, one Japanese noodle restaurant was crowded, another bar (Bureaucracy) offered beer for 45 p, buckets 350 p.

    Inside Bricklane Square, is a central semi-outdoor seating area with a stage, surrounded by indoor / outdoor restobars.

    Business Class. Live music inside.

    Runway Sports Bar. Great sound system with a DJ. Too loud to talk. Three big TVs with sports on. Most items on menu 300 p or less. Beer 90 p.

    Funny story, my bill was 118 p, I left 120 in bills and another 10 p coin = 130 p and the bartender says "But sir, your bill is only 118 p!" I said "Its a tip dude!" Maybe I spoiled them?

    Dark barakz. Trying to look hip with trendy lights and lower case letters.

    Red Finest. Beer 50 p.

    Junkyard.

    Others.

    Live music outside starts at 930 pm. The performance I saw was pleasant, young, hip, reasonable sound volume.

    This area has a bar vibe. If you walked around the blocks outside, you should find more bars.

    Matina Town Square. South end of town near NCCC mall. Several restobars surround a large covered courtyard with a large stage at the end. Nice music here, oldies rock, not too loud so sit close.

    Fusion BBQ Place at Matina. Ok bbq but I got one of their "signature" platters, it was a few small pieces of beef and pork with toothpicks, on a large bed of puffed rice chips! I mean if a place says they have "Fusion" food, I expect a little more effort than that.

    The Reggae Grill on F Torres that you see in Google maps is closed.

    Metro Station. F Torres.

    Music at 9 pm, 30 p cover charge, beer 50 p. Nice music and vib. A young man was in love with one of the singers and jumped on the stage, his buddies had to drag him out.

    There are now several French restaurants in Davao City.

    Prime Square. F Torres street has several restaurants, and an unusual showbar.

    De Boerderij (the Farm) restobar on the South side, near NCCC Mall is still there. Many expats there so a good place for info if you think to move here. Sports on TV. Swiss Deli has opened a restaurant nearby.

    Davao Transportation.

    Airport. Not terribly crowded.

    200 p terminal fee.

    Cebu Pacific has flights Davao to Singapore.

    Van Terminals at.

    Gaisano (midtown).

    SM City Ecoland.

    Big Bus terminal at Ecoland.

    There are new City buses at Robinsons Abrezza labeled "Davao Metro Shuttle". Nice, small air con buses to Tagum and Digos. Tagum fare is 100 p.

    Taxi's are cheap. Go from the South end of Davao city to the north for about 200 p. Grab worked some. Drivers put the meter on every time. Most were respectful but poor with English. One guy spoke English well and got way too familiar with questions: "where you from, when do you go back, you girl is so young, where is she from, you want ydada". Even saying "That's enough" would not shut him up. I made a big show of taking a pic of his license.

    Bonus report:

    Digos City South of Davao.

    Skytrak bar is closed.

    Arnaldo's Hotel is nice 900-1200 p.

    872 Rizal Ave.

    Van goes by it. Good water pressure, hot water, Chickens and pigs, dogs, but Not much traffic noise. Pool. Bfast ok.

    WiFI ok - 48 ms ping, 0. 38 Mbps upload, 0. 03 Mbps down.

    Two Gaisano malls.

    Gaisano Grand Mall is now the old one.

    GMall is not far and new, still filling out. Nice view of some strip-mining on the mountains!

    Met an expat there who lives in Digos.

    Security Situation.

    Not much changed. There was a big conference in town, but I only saw increased security on the street near the conference. On the road South of town, going to Davao, there is a checkpoint and you have to have your bag inspected. This has been in place a long time. Mall security wants you to remove your hat and sunglasses.

    Photos uploaded:

    Grab kiosk SM Lanang.

    De Boerderij near NCCC Mall.

    The Peak at Gaisano Central.

    Music at Bricklane Square.

    Tsing Tao Promo Girls at Bricklane.

    Music at Matina Town Square.

    Music at Metro Station F Torres.

    View from New Gaisano Digos.
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  10. #3336
    Quote Originally Posted by RedKilt  [View Original Post]
    Filipinas who would enjoy an experience of "several leisurely hours in a peaceful setting, savoring good food and a bottle or two of pleasant wine" are as rare as rocking horse manure Om.

    I suggest you go alone and just enjoy the epicurean experience, and then transfer your focus to mongering. Don't mix them up.

    "Peaceful" is not a word for filipinos. There has to be loud music.

    "Pleasant wine" means something sweet.

    "Good food" can mean anything as long as it's fast and includes white rice.
    OMG where's the LIKE LIKE LIKE button. We need one. Great post RK and oh sooooooo true.

  11. #3335
    Quote Originally Posted by Omega3  [View Original Post]

    For me, a perfect afternoon is several leisurely hours in a peaceful setting, savoring good food and a bottle or two of pleasant wine. Undoubtedly, there are many Filipinas who truly share this view, and who really appreciate a bottle of decent wine, but I just haven't yet met one. Oh well, not to complain, Filipinas have so many other charming and endearing qualities!
    OM.
    I see that you and I have similar views of perfection, so you must be a man of impeccable taste! 😏.

    The generalizations drawn in recent posts about the inability of Filipinas to appreciate, or even enjoy good French food and wine while accurate, are somewhat misleading. If you go the Bon Appétit on a typical Saturday night, you would notice that most of the clientele is Filipino and I'm guessing that about 75% of the client base--that is, regular patrons--is Filipino as well. The difference is that the Filipinos who go there are generally very well off, well educated, well traveled, and thoroughly acclimated to good food, good wine, and a more European dining experience that values social intercourse and a relaxed ambience. It's unfair to compare these relatively sophisticated Filipinos with the less educated, less worldly girls one would take there from the provinces. Not only would they feel uncomfortable, but they would likely provoke some discomfort from their date and even from other patrons.

    Dragon Slayer's mistakes--and I was present for most of them--derived from his assumption that these ladies would be impressed by the atmosphere and would adapt quickly to it. Of course exactly the opposite proved true: they had no idea what the items on the menu were, had never really drunk wine, were totally uncomfortable and out of place and thus drew some fairly disapproving looks from other patrons, no from the owners of the restaurant. A good meal for two at Bon Appétit, including decent wine, costs Php4,500-5,500 and to me it's simply absurd to spend this much on someone who would have been happier drinking Red Horse and eating pancit.

    GE.

  12. #3334
    Quote Originally Posted by WestCoast1  [View Original Post]
    If you are American, read "Boone's Farm" or "Ripple".

    And you're probably not going to. I'm with RK. Go thru DragonSlayer's forum, you will find numerous of his posts where he invited Davao girls (or he flew / bussed in Cebuanas and other province girls) to those very restos GE mentioned for a fine meal, only to have the girl completely misunderstand the meaning of fine dining. "Next time we can Jollibee?" Or after ordering an expensive bottle of wine from the hotel and up to his room and giving the girl some: "Next time we Red Horse?" Oh, my. Also, taking a long time to sit and enjoy the experience is not in her fiber; she will scarf down her food and then roll her eyes the entire time (wondering why the eff you are making her sit there). Invite one of your good gringo friends to enjoy the meal with you (leave the girl in your hotel room if you trust her, she will much more enjoy the telenova experience), then nap, then ph*ck the girl.
    If Aussie say "Jacobs Creek" and then they may suggest it is not sweet enough LOL.

    You forget Westie the other issue of fine dining. The use of the mobile while eating and after scoffing it down fast, using both hands to play games / chat on Facebook etc.

    And if you bring another friend to dinner Westie surely a gentleman (like myself and others we know) would want to have the cutie for a 3 some dessert? Well some of us would (and have!

  13. #3333
    These girls have so much culture, don't they?

  14. #3332
    Quote Originally Posted by RedKilt  [View Original Post]
    Filipinas who would enjoy an experience of "several leisurely hours in a peaceful setting, savoring good food and a bottle or two of pleasant wine" are as rare as rocking horse manure Om.

    "Pleasant wine" means something sweet.
    If you are American, read "Boone's Farm" or "Ripple".

    Quote Originally Posted by Omega3  [View Original Post]
    For me, a perfect afternoon is several leisurely hours in a peaceful setting, savoring good food and a bottle or two of pleasant wine. Undoubtedly, there are many Filipinas who truly share this view, and who really appreciate a bottle of decent wine, but I just haven't yet met one.
    And you're probably not going to. I'm with RK. Go thru DragonSlayer's forum, you will find numerous of his posts where he invited Davao girls (or he flew / bussed in Cebuanas and other province girls) to those very restos GE mentioned for a fine meal, only to have the girl completely misunderstand the meaning of fine dining. "Next time we can Jollibee?" Or after ordering an expensive bottle of wine from the hotel and up to his room and giving the girl some: "Next time we Red Horse?" Oh, my. Also, taking a long time to sit and enjoy the experience is not in her fiber; she will scarf down her food and then roll her eyes the entire time (wondering why the eff you are making her sit there). Invite one of your good gringo friends to enjoy the meal with you (leave the girl in your hotel room if you trust her, she will much more enjoy the telenova experience), then nap, then ph*ck the girl.

  15. #3331
    Quote Originally Posted by Omega3  [View Original Post]

    For me, a perfect afternoon is several leisurely hours in a peaceful setting, savoring good food and a bottle or two of pleasant wine. Undoubtedly, there are many Filipinas who truly share this view, and who really appreciate a bottle of decent wine, but I just haven't yet met one.
    Filipinas who would enjoy an experience of "several leisurely hours in a peaceful setting, savoring good food and a bottle or two of pleasant wine" are as rare as rocking horse manure Om.

    I suggest you go alone and just enjoy the epicurean experience, and then transfer your focus to mongering. Don't mix them up.

    "Peaceful" is not a word for filipinos. There has to be loud music.

    "Pleasant wine" means something sweet.

    "Good food" can mean anything as long as it's fast and includes white rice.

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