Makati

[Expat American]

Yes, it could be exactly that.

I posited previously that a lot of gents haven't returned as the pandemic killed (or changed) a lot of jobs. Goferring posited that airline travel absolutely s*cks these days. All of these are reasonable.

AC is still my recommendation for the point / shoot 2-week warriors.

OTOH, for those here for some months or more, you get to know both your (many) girl's habbits, needs (and wants), and you get to be lucky enough to discover the difference between what she asks gents for and what she's willing to accept from you for long-term work (they are rarely the same).

I'm more a 4 day warrior LOL! I couldn't stand AC for any more than that. To your point if you do stay months there is no need whatsoever to even touch a bar girl. I would just cycle through dating site girls. To me a trip to the Phils is either a 4 day fuck fest in AC or a good diving holiday or a combo of the two. But I'm lucky to live in SIN so I just booked a $150 RT to AC on Scoot for end of Sept for 4 days.

[WestCoast1]

Could it be that paying thousands of dollars to fly to a shithole country to pay over $200 per night for used up bar girl is not exactly drawing men in by the droves? LOL. I've never done the Makati bar scene and nothing in your excellent reports convince me that its worth doing. Angeles is not what it used to be but I can still get a good LT with a cute girl for 3500 Peso plus tip or ST for 1500. Still wouldn't fly there from the US / Europe but as a $150 3. 5 hour flight from SIN its worth a few days.

Yes, it could be exactly that.

I posited previously that a lot of gents haven't returned as the pandemic killed (or changed) a lot of jobs. Goferring posited that airline travel absolutely s*cks these days. All of these are reasonable.

AC is still my recommendation for the point / shoot 2-week warriors.

OTOH, for those here for some months or more, you get to know both your (many) girl's habbits, needs (and wants), and you get to be lucky enough to discover the difference between what she asks gents for and what she's willing to accept from you for long-term work (they are rarely the same).

[WestCoast1]

Few more shots from around Makati.

1) Taken 8 pm-ish, Burgos / Makati Ave. The miserable traffic is back!

2) Starbucks, Greenbelt 3, next to the old Cafe Havana. Gutted and hollowed out during pandemic, it holds more people.

3) Cafe Cubana, morning, closed.

4) Cowboy Grille Malate / Mabini going strong.

5) Same.

[AsianPursuits]

Cafe Cubana has a well-lit sign over the front that says filling station. Was that there before? FS is open 24 hours, and CC is open 4 pm-4 am. I miss having coffee at CC in the early AM, sitting outside at a small table. CC has live band (at least one) nightly.

I didn't recall that Filling Station sign from before pandemic. From viewing it now it feels like the corner "Filling Station" has expanded to include the Bellagio. That position used to have an illuminated "Royal Bellagio" neon sign.

Ah the bellagio, I used to enjoy their themed rooms.

My other recent observation was that the balcony was full with patrons whereas before it was less popular.

[Expat American]

Welcome.
A shortage of foreigners are in the area (pick your own reason), leading many girls to stay in the area for 2-3 nights running without getting a date of any kind.

Could it be that paying thousands of dollars to fly to a shithole country to pay over $200 per night for used up bar girl is not exactly drawing men in by the droves? LOL. I've never done the Makati bar scene and nothing in your excellent reports convince me that its worth doing. Angeles is not what it used to be but I can still get a good LT with a cute girl for 3500 Peso plus tip or ST for 1500. Still wouldn't fly there from the US / Europe but as a $150 3. 5 hour flight from SIN its worth a few days.

[WestCoast1]

Thanks WC for the detailed update.

Welcome.

As to the street scene. We have had a week or two of much rain, especially the past 4-5 days. That put a damper on the thing. However even before that, Sunday and Monday evenings are the slowest (its dead). Other nights Tues-Thurs evenings are ok, and Fri / Sat nights are the most populated with ladies. Makeup on the weekend seems to be 30-ish bakla in the street, and 20-25 girls. A shortage of foreigners are in the area (pick your own reason), leading many girls to stay in the area for 2-3 nights running without getting a date of any kind. The same shortage can be seen in the bars. One evening heading home I was almost to Makati Ave near Arabian Nights resto and a foreigner came running across the street from the Maison-Hollywood area, getting away from several bakla. "Um sorry to bother you? Is it possible that that group of girls over there? Some of them? Are guys? I'm shocked!" Oh, no, fella. They are girls. Filipinas can be a bit rough around the edges. Take one back to your hotel, ignore the stubble, and have a ball. Or two.

I forgot to mention that Neon Nights disco was very dead for its first two weeks. After that its been a jumpin' place each time I've been in. Have taken several ladies in for drinks and to watch the dancing.

Cafe Cubana has a well-lit sign over the front that says FILLING STATION. Was that there before? FS is open 24 hours, and CC is open 4 pm-4 am. I miss having coffee at CC in the early AM, sitting outside at a small table. CC has live band (at least one) nightly.

Cheers still going strong, try the meat pie.

Hollywood is still completely boarded up. Rogues is completely out of biz and I believe for lease.

[FuriousGeorge]

Thanks WC for the detailed update. I always have stayed 2-3 days in Makati before heading for a few weeks to AC. I think this upcoming trip will be the first time I skip Makati. I will say the quality of girls is a little higher, but considering in the prices, plus the nothing-to-do-during-the-day factor, I may skip this time. I do agree Royal is fun, and last time I had a blast at Secret Door.

I always stay at Central Park in AC. They have a hotel in Subic also. Anyone have any idea if you can bounce between them with only one booking? I thought it would be cool to check out Subic, but don't want to be tied down to certain dates.

[Steve Nash]

Great report WestCoast1 .

Just to add on the topic of Nightclub, there is Royal Club on 5343St General Luna, which is close to P Burgos street, this has a mix of regular girls and some freelancers. No barfine, but drinks and seating are true nightclub prices as I have mentioned before, it's better to go there with a wingman or two and share the cost of a standing table (bottle of liquor) or get a table if you are feeling rich and want to impress, but you are starting at PhP 12 K+ and can easily spend a lot more for the VIP tables, you can do Royal Club on the cheap but then you are standing at the back your holding drink or if you are on a table you are highly likely be moved if the place is busy. Security is very strict in there as well, you need to both look and act the part inside. In years past I have got both Freelancers and ladies who tried to be my GF there (free but not really free). For high end nightclubs head to BGC.

Royal Club is a great place to bring your date, women are free but men have to pay.

I haven't notice any freelancers (but probably there are), I do notice alot of single girls (in group) that you can easily pick them up if you have some game (for free). In 2 occasions I saw some girls I chat online (2 of them recognized me and let me know later on in our chats).

I do agree that you can get a free table if there are empty tables all night (mostly weekdays). I've been there 5 times the last year (since December when they just opened again after COVID), each time with a different date, and I never payed for a table, you can have fun by chilling in the dance floor, I'm mostly dancing with my date in the dance floor if not hanging out close to the dance floor making friends with people from the tables, most of the people on the tables close to the dance floor are friendly and having a good time.

I don't usually stay too long in that Club, 2 - 3 hours max, and then my date is ready to go to my condo for the after party.

[WestCoast1]

1) Lips bar, formerly Kojacks, bars upstairs and down.

2) Amors bar, Ebro St.

[WestCoast1]

Great report WestCoast1 .

Gracias.

Pics of said locations.

1) Alibi bar (formerly Mixed Nuts).

2) Advert outside of Alibi showing pole dancing. I forgot to mention. One night I saw the pole dancers. One of them was a real chub. I thought to myself: Isn't it just smarter to not include her with the others? Then she knocked one out of the park with technique. I apologize, miss, I mis-judged the book.

3) Ringside Bar, now for lease.

4) The former Go Bananas, now re-branded as Nautica. But not yet open for some months. The sign above says "Go Bananas" on one side, and "Lollipop" on the other side.

5) Blue "X" = Par Avion (upstairs is Lollipop). Blue arrow = Coco Rock. Red arrow = Vane 8 (or V8, former Dimples location).

6) Same, V8.

7) Fyre. Neon Nights. Taqueria.

8) Same.

9) New Dimples location, on Durban St, next to Ritz-Astor hotel.

10) Maison Bar, formerly Bourbon bar.

[Ghost D]

You have come to the right place.

For freelancers, taxi to Malate and go to LA Cafe. Just say that to the taxi driver...

Great report WestCoast1 .

Just to add on the topic of Nightclub, there is Royal Club on 5343St General Luna, which is close to P Burgos street, this has a mix of regular girls and some freelancers. No barfine, but drinks and seating are true nightclub prices as I have mentioned before, it's better to go there with a wingman or two and share the cost of a standing table (bottle of liquor) or get a table if you are feeling rich and want to impress, but you are starting at PhP 12 K+ and can easily spend a lot more for the VIP tables, you can do Royal Club on the cheap but then you are standing at the back your holding drink or if you are on a table you are highly likely be moved if the place is busy. Security is very strict in there as well, you need to both look and act the part inside. In years past I have got both Freelancers and ladies who tried to be my GF there (free but not really free). For high end nightclubs head to BGC.

[WestCoast1]

Any recommendations for nightclubs to pick up girls?

You have come to the right place.

For freelancers, taxi to Malate and go to LA Cafe. Just say that to the taxi driver.

For gogo bargirls, see my report here of the various bars along Burgos street in Makati.

For all Burgos gogo bars: Waitresses and mamas have been re-trained to be aggressive on LD. You buy a girl a drink (she orders a shot). She does not touch it for 2 minutes. Then she toasts "Cheers!" and downs it. Within 2-3 minutes a waitress / mama is at you to replenish that drink. Five minutes from the time it arrives until they are pestering you to buy another. Barfines are typically 3500-4000. Tip requests are the same as before in regards to barfines (hotties mention 5000, fuglies mention 4000). At one bar a new girl, second night on the job and FOB from the province, told me the barfine amount (she was wrong about the amount). However she was completely unaware that she was allowed to ask for a tip from the customer before leaving the bar (nobody explained that to her). She was also not aware of how much of the LD she would get: "There is a commission for me"? Or how much of the barfine amount she would get.

Except for Par Avion and Coco Rock, all bars now have beef-cake bouncers. Body builders, with several on the door and possibly inside also.

All bars close 4 am (as does Cafe Cubana). In Alibi and Par Avion I ran into this: I bought a girl a LD, and they both performed admirably with lap dances or rubbing themselves on me that I didn't ask for. I requested the bill and though I was the only customer at the time in each place, it took the waitress 10+ minutes to either bring the bill or return my change. I handed the bargirl a small note for tip and rose to leave. Bargirl: "You tip the waitress also". What? Ah, no, it was too long time on the service to receive back my change, 10 minutes with the waitress chatting the cashier, I don't tip for bringing a single drink, and she never came back to check to see if I wanted another drink; bad service. "You tip the waitress!" What? Have a good evening, miss. I left. VERY PUSHY, in both places. At other times in Alibi, the waitress is the pushy one.

In another bar there was 1 customer when I walked in, a big-spender with 5-6 ladies (and all of their drinks on the table) in a booth with him. I sat at a table and a mama came over to chat me. I bought her a drink. She seemed genuine and nice. A girl I knew from before pandemic in a different bar came over to say Hi. Real chatty and telling me about life during the pandemic (bad of course). I ordered her a drink also, and both LD arrived a moment later. Both ladies ordered shots. We chat for about 1 minute when I noticed standing at the bar was a mamasan from a previous bar before pandemic, but I couldn't think of which pre-pandemic bar she was from. She waved at me and smiled. I waved back. As my attention came back to the two ladies that I was drinking with, both ladies were slamming down their empty shot glasses on the table. The drinking mama got up and said: "I will right back". She walked over to the big-spender's table and sat down with the other 5-6 girls, raised her hand to get a waitress, and ordered herself a drink on the big-spenders tab (she didn't ask him)!. She never came back. That was quickly a piss-off. What happened to girls spending 10-15 minutes with a customer who bought a LD? I complained to the girl still with me. "Ya. She goes". Suddenly the chatty previous-bar girl went silent. The girl stayed with me for about 1 more minute and said "I go", and walked off. In this bar, there was no chance even for the waitress to pester me to buy another LD. I paid the tab and left.

Lets walk down the street.

Lion's Pride. Directly across the street from the defunct Jools / Horizons. Formerly called WowWow bar. Same interior as previously, with some spiff-ups. About half a dozen plump, late 20's / early 30's, average-at-best girls. Some nights just 3 girls, other nights 6. Closed completely on occasion for a night, for no apparent reason. Not much worth seeing or doing here, except to say that from 2 pm - 10 pm is a half-price happy hour on everything. Beers are p85, LD are 200, and barfine is 2000. After 10 pm, everything doubles.

Junko. Same side of the street as Horizons's, towards Kalayaan (the building prior to the old Mixed Nuts). KTV style, the barker outside explained p500 for 90 minutes of unli drinking (and also consumables). I did not yet partake.

Alibi. Formerly Mixed Nuts (ladyboy) bar, next door to Ringside. No longer a LB bar. Refurbished and downstairs now. Its got a stripper pole, and 3 x per night they do single-gal pole routines. One night I counted 8 girls in a row at the 10 pm show doing a 1-song routine each girl (takes more than 30 minutes for all the girls to hit the that pole). Festive place, lots of new talent, plenty of hotties. Pushy waitresses. When the pole dancing routines stop, several regular gogo girls hit the stage for the old, slow, dull shuffle. I was told there is a hidden nawty area inside to take a girl.

Ringside: Permanently closed, being re-modeled inside (mostly just gutted). The front door (Kalayaan) is sometimes open in the evening, the lights off. Its completely trashed inside.

Nautica. Formerly Go Bananas. Also closed, since at least June. A motorcycle is parked across the front door nightly. Its possible that the former Go Bananas has been halved, and the half that would be towards Makati Ave is now Par Avion bar.

Par Avion. Formerly part of Go Bananas. Great selection of girls, a number of lookers. Pushy waitresses. Sometimes I am the only customer. A young province girl, 22, hot, 3 weeks in the bar, asked to put her number in my phone (remember, before pandemic, trading phone numbers was verboten). We did, and she text herself from my phone. She suggested we meet the following day for a ST before her shift. While sitting with her in the bar, she offered a later ST with 2 pops, p2500. Sweetie why not get a barfine, you are guapa, a barfine pays you twice that. "No customers are taking girls for barfines. Not enough customers". A common refrain. Sounds good sweetie on the 2500 (didn't tell her that tomorrow was my non-girl rest day). Leaving, I got almost to the mexican Taqueria and she txt: "OK for tomorrow? What time?" I was a bit buzzed and walked around the corner to the new Dimples. "Then? Its 3 pm tomorrow?" Walking home half an hour later: "OK 2000 tomorrow". Ah, how sweet it is. Just outside Par Avion, the word 'Ivory' is carved into the sidewalk. I asked the door guys what was the name of the bar. Simultaneously one said "Par Avion" and the other "Ivory". The looked at each other and shrugged. Once inside I asked a girl the name: "Its Nautica". She pointed to the dance floor area, where there is a large ship's steering wheel engraved into the floor. Great, nobody knows the name of their employment.

Lollipop. Must go inside Par Avion and walk back to the stairs and go up. Its the old make-up and changing room area for Dimples I think. Pushy waitress and girls (for tips for massaging you for 60 seconds). A BJ specialty place with a private area just for that. Eight girls and not bad looking.

Coco Rock. Exactly as it was before, but with slightly better talent. 20-ish girls.

Vane-8 (or V8). The old Dimples bar. New interior and layout. "you"-shaped table arrangement around a dancing stage in the middle of the "you". Bunch of beauties. Sometimes they do choreographed stage show. Waitress and mama are NOT pushy, but drink prices can be high. A cheap bottle of water (p15 at 7-11) was p200. Some nights the place is jumpin'.

Fyre. A pool table and half a dozen girls, not particularly attractive. Not sure if the girls are bar-fine-able. You can buy them a LD if you like, or play pool. But not sure if you can take out the talent. Didn't find any worth taking out, only went once.

Neon Lights. Enter downstairs, get frisked by a security guy, go upstairs to a fairly large disco. Jumpin' place. Lots of gogo girls and a dance area. The gogos go in shifts to the dance area to do the old, slow, boring shuffle. About once an hour a separate, uniformed dance troup comes out for choreographed dancing. They are older dancers, mid-late 30's, and not much in synch when they dance. Nice uniforms. Music and DJ is extremely loud.

Jose Cuervo Taquileria. Same as always, has live band many nights, a guy playing guitar and a gal singing love songs (not bad), tex-mex food.

Dimples. Directly across from the Taquileria on Durban St (not Burgos). Next door to the Ritz-Astor hotel. Good size room, way too much aircon and a bit cold. Same mama from the old place (Grace), but almost all of the previous girls are replaced. Plenty of talent. Pushy waitresses if you buy a LD for you to quickly buy another. They have a 'special night' or a party about once a month (dress-up theme). But they don't advertise it. I walked in one night, to: "Westy where is your floral shirt? Its floral night!" I see. I was here a few nights ago, nobody mentioned it. I don't recall seeing a sign outside. So. . .

Maison. Now, walk all the way down Burgos, past Citadel, to Badajos St. Bourbon bar is now Maison (as reported before). After pandemic, last year, it was re-opened more as a restaurant, not a gogo. Complete with a pool table. Then about June they got rid of the table, divided it into two rooms, with a new stage in the far-rear of the place. Lots of chubby girls as GRO. About 6 weeks ago it became Maison, and the wall was removed. The stage is still there. You can still order food with your drink. Some newer talent has been brought in for titilation, but there are still enough chublets for those who prefer la cochina. Pushy waitresses.

Lips. Also on Badajos, previously Kojacks. An upstairs (complete with a pole; saw 3 fat drunk mates trying to ascend that thing one night, and one of them did a decent job of it) with more than 30 girls with a number of lookers. Did not notice many porkers. Downstairs a separate bar with pool table and about 20 girls. The upstairs / downstairs girls switch from one night to another. Waitresses have not been pushy to date. A good party vibe, especially upstairs. This is my fav spot.

Amors. I almost forgot. Its behind Fyre and Neon, on Ebro St, across the street from The Social resto. Between The Clipper Hotel and Alchemy bar (next to Lokal hotel). Completely new since pandemic. It opened to zero fanfare in June. I discovered it by accident. Six girls were sitting outside and dragged me into a completely empty bar. A bartender, a mama, and me. A raised dance stage with no dancers. Mama, how long has this been here? "Two weeks. You are customer number 2". Only number 2? "Yes". Have you advertised? "No". Do you have a FB? "No". All the GRO's were attractive. One beer and out. Two nights later I walked by and it was dark. Another one, GONE. Two weeks went by, and it was open again.

I have not barfined because I have found that the bars are really there to grind money out of the point-shoot guys (moreso than pre-pandemic). Also, in several of the bars, either girls gave me their WA or phone number, or they took mine (right in front of waitresses or mamas), with both our phones out in our hands, and suggested ST a different day. I usually only buy a drink for girls who are pleasing to the eye, so these are attractive girls. All of them dropped their initial price point when I ignored her messages, and several dropped their price twice (in just a few hours). Ignoring the girls and playing the long game sure drops prices, and it also shows from their price reductions just how opportunistic they are to begin with.

I have also not seen any guy depart a bar with a barfine.

[South Blr Paw]

Hello friends.

I will be in Manilla this week for a short trip.

Do we have any nightclubs where we can pickup young freelancers similar to the 5* clubs in Bangkok hotels.

[South Blr Paw]

Thank you.

Can you please recommend some massage places and escort agencies.

I will be there for a short trip this week and might not have the time to venture into the dating sites.

Any recommendations for nightclubs to pick up girls?

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[Trevor2522]

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