Makati

[Goferring]

Walk into all of the Burgos bars I mentioned above on your first night. Don't buy a drink, just look at the girls. It can't be difficult to find a hottie in that mix. After you find one, buy her a drink and its off to the races. They are all the same price (all-in, p9 k. P11 k, with drinks). The barfine is either p3500 or p4000, and the tip you negotiate with her will be about p5-6 k.

A pro-tip is to take one for the team, pay the 10 k, have a good night, get her number, then have her drop around another day before work or on her day off.

A pretty girl, who knows all the tricks, has already been successfully road tested, for 4 to 6 k represents excellent value. Who knows, she may be busy and refer a friend. 😊.

Enjoy. G.

[Goferring]

Are the girls in Makati really that much prettier than the ones in AC?

What really is the going rate for a young top looking girl by someone who knows how to negotiate (I'm looking at you Mr E, Goferring, WC).

I don't know how much a meal deal at Jollibee is!

As a general statement, I would say no. There are ugly and pretty girls in both locations. However, there are a couple of things working in Makati's favour: the prettiest girls are going to gravitate to the money and that's going to be in Manila, of which Makati is an affluent area; Makati doesn't have the hyper focused K-girls or drinks only that the prettiest AC girls seem to be so many more are happy to hook up with a white guy vs AC; WC1 has correctly mentioned that AC is fully prepaid with no recourse for runners or poor performance, where-as Makati girls have some or all of their payment at risk pending the customers' satisfaction; Makati is also a lot more than just Burgos street and includes high end malls, girls with legit 9 to 5's, clubs and pubs of all descriptions etc. I'd suggest you have a clear understanding of if you are chasing pure looks or overall performance.

A pretty Burgos bargirl is going to be a 10 k event. WC1 breakdown of line items is correct. This can easily double if you include a night of drinking, clubbing or meals. Both AC and Burgos barfines and tips have very little room for negotiations or discounts. This is possible with independents but a pretty girl will know her worth and may actually charge more. Quotes of 15 k aren't unheard of from the promo / IG set in Manila. Thankfully, runners and false promises from these are pretty rare, unlike AC. If you want to lower your sights, then 3 to 5 k is very doable for a freelancer or online girl.

Enjoy. G.

[WestCoast1]

The going rate for whom? The big dick in town for a three day weekend? Or the long term resident happy to help out with a last minute utility bill??

Same girl. Vastly different 'going rates'!

Totally agree. I've yet to see a positive correlation between price and performance but regardless, it's the end result that matters. I've had great sessions that required a second mortgage and others that cost little more than a Jolliebee Meal Deal. Actually the latter is the more common. 😊.

Are the girls in Makati really that much prettier than the ones in AC?

That can only be answered by you. As the past year's discussion in the AC thread with Napa (and others) has shown, its in the eye of the beholder. Also by Makati, did you mean the Burgos St gogo bars vs the AC gogo bars? Are you including online or street talent? Are you looking for the 'prettiest' girls? What does that mean? Are you a visiting warrior, or one of her long-time expats? It makes a difference in price (see Goferring above).

I would say that anyone can find lookers in numerous bars in AC, and Burgos. Anyone would be hard pressed to walk into Burgos bars Maison, V-8, Plan-be, or Lips (upstairs) and not find a bevy of acceptable lovelies to his liking. Same in AC: Lollipop, Club Stars (small club, dozen girls), and XS bar (100+ girls, something there for everyone) are usually* full of lovelies.

* If not now, wait until the next shift hits. All AC bars, even those with lookers, will have a weak batch sometimes. 30 minutes later you get a new / different group. Or tomorrow.

What really is the going rate for a young top looking girl by someone who knows how to negotiate (I'm looking at you Mr E, Goferring, WC). I don't know how much a meal deal at Jollibee is!

That's usually pretty hard to answer also, but I have one. Walk into all of the Burgos bars I mentioned above on your first night. Don't buy a drink, just look at the girls. It can't be difficult to find a hottie in that mix. After you find one, buy her a drink and its off to the races. They are all the same price (all-in, p9 k. P11 k, with drinks). The barfine is either p3500 or p4000, and the tip you negotiate with her will be about p5-6 k. Throw in a couple of drinks, and you are around p10 k ($190 USD). As you are holding the agreed-upon tip until she leaves in the morning, there is little chance that she will run, and every chance that she will perform as she agreed to.

You can walk around AC bars the same way and find one you like. But your payment of p5 k to the bar is the complete payment up-front. Its cheaper this way, but there is no guarantee that she will not run away early, or that she will perform well.

In both of these places, there is no negotiating or little negotiating. She might offer p6 k for her tip in Burgos, and you might negotiate that down to 5 k, dropping the total from 11 k down to 10 k. Who would care?

If you were talking about FL, there is no way to answer your question. FL negotiate from position of strength based on her immediate need. As Goffering said, if she has an immediate emergency she will negotiate down considerably, but if you are a 2-week warrior and not one of her regular expat geezers, you will probably never find out that she is more desperate today.

[Idiot182]

Hi all, I hit up Burgos Street last night for the first time in a while. Nothing radically new to report. I was bar hopping along the strip and tried out a few different places before going back to Maison, which, BTW, I think is the best bang for your buck currently available on the strip. It's also conveniently close to Sogo. Which, as it happens, is where this perplexing situation ended. I was recommended a girl by the Mamasan, we got along great in the bar after I dropped the requisite pesos, and decided to go around the corner to the hotel. Once there, we stripped down, showered, got cosy together and there was some DATY, then she refused to do anything further. It was totally bizarre to me as we seemed to be having fun and I am a pretty young (and not bad looking dude IMHO), disease free and clean etc. I told her I was unhappy with the situation and left a 100 PHP tip for (no) services rendered. Ever experience something like this? Maybe she was just new to the game and chickened out?

Fwiw she was a real hotty, 10 on the buxom scale and a spinner to boot, but maybe a 6-7 face. I know I know, YMMV.

[Goferring]

So I am in the Philippines and the rates provided in the thread seem to be on the very optimistic side. I'm getting quotes over 5 k. They all start higher. One quoted 10 k for both ST and LT, she actually was very pleasant to message with though.

It's also very hard to get a quote from most. They want me to give it. And then just ask me to go up. Even a mid-30 MILF wanted 7 k and only went down to 4 k. Which I would pay the extra 1 k for a younger girl.

Maybe I'm just a bad negotiator.

Are you time poor? If girls are aware that the guy is only in town for a few days, they know that 99% will pay up rather than miss out before having to return home. For this reason, never mention that you are only in town for a short stay.

If you have time in your side, then just be upfront:

"That's great but it's too much for me. I normally pay XXX.

If you are in town here sometime just drop me a msg. I'll be around somewhere and we can meet up".

Once they know you won't accept ridiculous offers and are prepared to move on, then it's not uncommon to receive a message that afternoon or tomorrow saying that they are miraculously nearby shopping, visiting friends or some such excuse.

Enjoy. G.

[GDreams]

So I am in the Philippines and the rates provided in the thread seem to be on the very optimistic side. I'm getting quotes over 5 k. They all start higher. One quoted 10 k for both ST and LT, she actually was very pleasant to message with though.

It's also very hard to get a quote from most. They want me to give it. And then just ask me to go up. Even a mid-30 MILF wanted 7 k and only went down to 4 k. Which I would pay the extra 1 k for a younger girl.

Maybe I'm just a bad negotiator.

Sometimes I ask. Sometimes I just say I usually pay 4000 for an overnight. If she is hot then I might up my bid. I have some regulars and I just pay them 2500 for 1 shot or 4000 overnight. If overnight they get McDonalds or a pizza for food.

[Marxh]

So I am in the Philippines and the rates provided in the thread seem to be on the very optimistic side. I'm getting quotes over 5 k. They all start higher. One quoted 10 k for both ST and LT, she actually was very pleasant to message with though.

It's also very hard to get a quote from most. They want me to give it. And then just ask me to go up. Even a mid-30 MILF wanted 7 k and only went down to 4 k. Which I would pay the extra 1 k for a younger girl.

Maybe I'm just a bad negotiator.

[Betong]

A lot, when you in the Island of free pussy.

Come on, pussy is never free. There's always some kind of price to be paid.

[Sammon]

You will always get a formal response like this when you ask for hotels to put their policy in writing through an email request.

They are wary of being trapped by LE and others posing as potential guests in having a policy that contravenes Filipino laws.

What happens when it is a real situation, or a verbal question is asked (say at check in) may get a shrug and a whatever.

No need to ask or e mail to the hotel. Just book for two. Philippine hotels are mostly girlfriendly. I have stayed in many different hotels. If it is after 8 pm sometimes security ask you to register the girl. No need to argue. Just register. On a single visit I have registered at least three or four girls to my room. Nobody asked any questions on checkout. In this hobby you need to be brave.

Even in some countries with strict rules I just walk past security as if I own the place. If you are confident nobody bothers you.

[Red Kilt]

Here is their response to a question about overnight guests:

"Please be informed that our visiting hours are until 10:00 PM only. (Penalty Charge of Php 2,000 per person shall apply beyond 10:00 PM). Party rooms are STRICTLY prohibited. (Penalty charge of Php 10,000 shall apply). ".

You will always get a formal response like this when you ask for hotels to put their policy in writing through an email request.

They are wary of being trapped by LE and others posing as potential guests in having a policy that contravenes Filipino laws.

What happens when it is a real situation, or a verbal question is asked (say at check in) may get a shrug and a whatever.

[RickTheDiver]

I think is the bar fine plus what the girl charges. Which ends up being like 150 - 200 us. A lot, when you in the Island of free pussy. Or go to LA Cafe.

You are right there. My experience is the bars in P. Burgos don't include the girls 'tip' which could be 5 k to 7 k depending on quality of girl. You pay the BF (4 k?) pus girls tip. FLs on PinaLove, P. Bugos street and LA Cafe etc. Around 4 k. You will need to negotiate ST or LT and there is more risk with this option as the bars carry out some checks on the girls. Outside Manila (E. G. LA, Sabang, Cebu) the BF usually includes the girls tip but you need to check if its ST or LT and what's included. If you are there longer you can find a GF on one of the dating sites or regular bars.

[Dcfan77]

I think is the bar fine plus what the girl charges. Which ends up being like 150 - 200 us. A lot, when you in the Island of free pussy. Or go to LA Cafe.

Should you assume all barfine quotes include the price of girl or should you always ask the club if I have to negotiate the girls price on top of bar fine.

[TjBrazil]

So Neon Lights is a sort of club / gogo hybrid. They have hot chicks that linger outside as a bait, these are known as "receptionists". Their job is just to get you to go inside with them. Actually they are fun to chat up and you can usually grab their ass or whatever they don't mind. Then there are tons of girls inside, dancers, and just like a gogo bar you can buy them a shot of vodka for like 390 or w / e and they will sit with you for a while.

So my first experience with Neon Lights I went in with a receptionist girl. It was weekend so it was packed. I did not buy her a drink, even though she was grinding on me for a bit and we were dancing because her breath smelled pretty awful so I wanted to get rid of her. Anyway I danced for a bit, the couches you need to commit to spending like 2500 or something to get to sit, but there are stools at the bar and then a few other stools you can sit on for free near the pool table. So I just danced for a while then sat by the pool tables. Some hot dancer girls were playing pool so I asked if I could play the winner. They agreed but had to go up for their dance set in between. The dance set was great actually, there were five of them and they did a little choreographed number which involved some very appealing pelvic thrust moves. Anyway, after they finished we played pool. I bought an hour for 500 and we played three games, 2 x2. That was kind of fun, albeit a pretty tame evening. When the third game finished I bailed even though I probably still had like 20 minutes or w / e in my hour.

My second experience at Neon Lights I was dancing and a girl started dancing with me. Then I bought her a drink and we sat on the free stools by the pool area. This was a more erotic experience, with plenty of grinding and heavy petting. She quoted me just a few drinks + 1 k as her tip for some in sight action, but I presume the room rental would be like 5 k+ or something. I wasn't really in the market. I did give her some loose change tips on top of the drink...

Should you assume all barfine quotes include the price of girl or should you always ask the club if I have to negotiate the girls price on top of bar fine.

[Meistro1]

So Neon Lights is a sort of club / gogo hybrid. They have hot chicks that linger outside as a bait, these are known as "receptionists". Their job is just to get you to go inside with them. Actually they are fun to chat up and you can usually grab their ass or whatever they don't mind. Then there are tons of girls inside, dancers, and just like a gogo bar you can buy them a shot of vodka for like 390 or w / e and they will sit with you for a while.

So my first experience with Neon Lights I went in with a receptionist girl. It was weekend so it was packed. I did not buy her a drink, even though she was grinding on me for a bit and we were dancing because her breath smelled pretty awful so I wanted to get rid of her. Anyway I danced for a bit, the couches you need to commit to spending like 2500 or something to get to sit, but there are stools at the bar and then a few other stools you can sit on for free near the pool table. So I just danced for a while then sat by the pool tables. Some hot dancer girls were playing pool so I asked if I could play the winner. They agreed but had to go up for their dance set in between. The dance set was great actually, there were five of them and they did a little choreographed number which involved some very appealing pelvic thrust moves. Anyway, after they finished we played pool. I bought an hour for 500 and we played three games, 2 x2. That was kind of fun, albeit a pretty tame evening. When the third game finished I bailed even though I probably still had like 20 minutes or w / e in my hour.

My second experience at Neon Lights I was dancing and a girl started dancing with me. Then I bought her a drink and we sat on the free stools by the pool area. This was a more erotic experience, with plenty of grinding and heavy petting. She quoted me just a few drinks + 1 k as her tip for some in sight action, but I presume the room rental would be like 5 k+ or something. I wasn't really in the market. I did give her some loose change tips on top of the drink.

Then my third experience I was walking past and got caught by the bait girls again. The receptionist I went up with was really stunningly beautiful, although she seemed a bit vapid. We didn't talk that much. She was a bit stand offish as well, and ofc I'm a gentleman so I'm not one to force myself on a woman, so mostly I just sat there staring at her beautiful body. Really she was very model esque, just perfectly preportioned, although I assume she would be a starfish in bed. This actually wasn't that bad as she sort of got into it and was dancing and shaking her body for me, occassionally giving little spins to show off her ass. So anyway I decided to dance, since one of the reasons I got there is just to exercise a bit. So I'm dancing away with the stool in between her and me, and she is dancing. Then these five idiots in customes and blaring lights come over and start dancing around us which was just surreal. Eventually they leave and some girls come over and talk to us, then towards the end of the session my girl does finally press her body up against mine and stay there for a while.

So yah, it is basically standard go go pricing with regards to drinks and lady drinks. Pool is like 105 or something for 1 game or 500 for the hour. And the couch charges (consumable) are negotiable during off peak times. 2800 or w / e it is isn't really that much anyway if you are going with a group and planning on spending some money.

Anyway, having recently surveyed basically all of the GoGos, I would say the best bang for your buck is Maisons. The girls there generally let you go further than anywhere else for a ladies drink. I've had a ton of fine times in there. One of the girls even jerked me off to completion. But usually you can rub their pussies, I've gotten my finger inside a number of the girls. And they have some really sexy girls. The waitresses have tried to scam me every single time I've been in there tho, so you should be careful. I find it amusing because I catch them and call them on it every single time. I'll usually go in here and buy a drink for a few different girls. Kind of a waste of money I guess, but from my perspective $8 to have some barely legal teenager giving me a prolonged lap dance is money well spent. The best value is if you just buy them a single drink I think, especially some of the girls will delay drinking the drink and just focus on the interaction. It is hit or miss, a few of the girls are a bit standoffish. Probably get better value later in the night when they are more drunk as well. Also sometimes a whale will show up and be hogging all the hot chicks.

Lips was decent. A ton of selection. Just so many girls. Very point and click. They don't really approach you though, well when I first went in a group of four with two girls and two like aunties came and sat with me and I sent them on their way. But then I had this very nice girl who was dancing on stage, so I told the mamasan when she asked me if there was any girl I liked to send her over. She was very soft, wearing jean shorts. But the booths aren't really private enough so she was a bit shy, but very receptive to being fingered from behind. I kind of regret not bar fining her. Bar fine was 3500 mamasan quoted, not sure if non negotiable. She told me it was only her second time being in a booth. Probably very low mileage.

V8 was a lot of fun, although the girls there are a bit more conservative. But it is a fun, high energy atmosphere. That would be my choice for like a business outing with some clients or w / e. High ratio of girls to clients and a lot of attractive girls there.

[WestCoast1]

Yes, City Garden Grand quoted me no charge for the first overnight guest, and a more modest charge for any additional. I don't usually take more than one girl at a time, so the City Garden Grand policy would work for me. Still waiting to hear back from Coro Hotel. I think it is pretty bizarre that hotels located one block from the red light strip would have such an unfriendly policy.

Those policies are in place and are usually just for show, nothing more. Its would be odd for anyone at the front desk to stop you because you had two girls, and ask for additional money. Please report back if you run into this. It would be quite out of the ordinary and reported here. It possible that they all have similar policies, and never enforce them. At some point, regardless of policy, you have to choose one, get on a jet, and get laid a bunch.

Seems like an obvious bad business move. I am in the process of canceling and getting a refund from I'm Hotel. I hope they get the message: if you want my money, you need to play the game.

You might not be used to pinoy thinking. Interest in future business from an organization that deals with the public is not a pinoy trait. You are just one guy. If you don't reserve there (or alternately if you get poor service and fail to come back), its not a loss for them. Other gents weigh in on this.

Are you a rich sheik who brings in 40 family and rents the entire Penthouse floor twice a year (I've seen that)? If so, you have clout.