Makati

[WestCoast1]

But we never discussed "short time" or "long time". She just walked up to me and offered 3 hours in my hotel room. I know the lingo of ST=1 pop in SE Asia, but we never discussed short time versus long time. These girls should be lawyers. You need a pre-nup just for sex.

Question. If she had given 1 pop, then stayed for the full 3 hours and refused a second pop, you would be OK to that, as that would have fulfilled her 3 hour obligation? Alternately, if she had stayed for 3 hours and given no pops, would that have fulfilled her obligation? My point is: Did you discuss with her you expectations in advance? Full discussion in advance takes 30 seconds, then you don't need a lawyer. "Ya 3 hours if it includes completely naked, no condom, mouth, pussy, camera, all the pops I want". Gosh, 10 seconds. You gents should not leave anything to chance if its important to you. OTOH I know gents who will not do this kind of thing, as they want to see just how it will unfold, what she will and will not do.

[ShinyCrazy]

Volcanic ash falling around Manila. Everyone is told to stay inside to avoid breathing the fumes. Can't make it to Burgos, so time to try Smooci.

Booked "Yuri" for 2 hours (and specifically 2 pops). She subsequently contacts me via WhatsApp to tell me she's going to cancel our Smooci booking, but she wants to continue the booking via WhatsApp. Sounds sketchy to me, like she's trying to cheat Smooci out of their cut, but I don't know their business model. She also asked for an additional 700 pesos for transportation costs, which I very reluctantly agreed to.

She shows up fairly promptly, brushes teeth and takes a below the waist shower. Her face is about a 6 (it was covered up in her Smooci pics). She is quiet and friendly and slightly shy. She removes her towel and has a raised red scar from a see-section and red scars below each breast, although her breasts were modest and didn't seem silicone. Not sure what the breast scars were about.

Anyhow, she's a great kisser and very enthusiastic. After some prolonged DATY during which she came twice, I finish in missionary at about the 1 hour mark. At this point, she rinses off and puts her clothes on and asks if she can leave (because her babysitter texted her that her child has a fever and needs medicine, which was obviously a crock of nonsense). Here we go again! Flake out yet again. I'm starting to wonder if any Pina girl in history has ever provided a second pop.

I told her that I would only pay half and she wasn't going to accept that. She says she needs the money. She tells me that her one hour fee for Smooci is 6500 (rather than the 7500 for two hour /2 pops) and she'll give me 1000 back, and I wasn't going to accept that. I told her I would never have booked her for one hour, since the per pop rate was insane. She got grumpy and sullen, but agreed to stay for the second round. Given the fact that this wasn't going to be as mutually pleasant as the first pop, I opted for BBBJ / CIM with simultaneous prostate massage. Figured that I'the get my money's worth.

Once again, these Pina girls are much flakier than any other girls I can think of. Thai girls can be flaky, but this is something else altogether. So far, in my limited experience, Pinas don't want to stick to the original agreement and are willing to turn a very pleasant experience into a grumpy one rather than finish the job, yet they need the money.

Given the value for money, I would opt for Burgos over Smooci at this point.

[ShinyCrazy]

ST = 1 Pop or your 2-3 hours whichever comes first unless you have pre-negotiated for more than one pop.

But we never discussed "short time" or "long time". She just walked up to me and offered 3 hours in my hotel room. I know the lingo of ST=1 pop in SE Asia, but we never discussed short time versus long time. These girls should be lawyers. You need a pre-nup just for sex.

[GDreams]

Still need some ideas for tomorrow during the day. Tried to do some tourism by visiting the Ayala Museum, but it was closed for renovations. Maybe Abacca tomorrow?

Go Volcano watching at Taal volcano.

[Issaquah]

After the first round, she showered and put her dress back on. I am thinking WTF. We have another hour and a half! She wouldn't budge. I told her that I would only pay half, and she was fine with that. Again, I am thinking, WTF! She said her pussy was tired and she had a 3 hour trip back to her home in Quezon City (3 hours? I asked if she was planning to walk!

I do not understand. She could double her money for the night by working for another hour and a half (or maybe only 15 minutes), but she would rather leave? She seriously seemed like she was having a great time with me, then she suddenly flakes out. Bizarre. I guess I should have specified how many pops, but when she offered 3 hours, and most guys pop in 15 minutes, I didn't think she would be planning to leave after one pop.

ST = 1 Pop or your 2-3 hours whichever comes first unless you have pre-negotiated for more than one pop.

[ShinyCrazy]

Walked up and down Burgos around 7 pm on a Sunday. The gogos weren't open yet, so I grabbed a quick bite and did some people watching at "Cheers" bar. When 8 pm rolled around, I went to XOXO (the smaller gogo below Kojax). Kojax was closed, presumably due to light attendance on a Sunday. As I understand it, XOXO has the same girls. Only 6 girls on stage. Bodies were 7-8/10, faces more like 6/10. Saw one that was a possibility, but decided to do more window shopping since it was early. Went around the corner and down Burgos to Plan be. Around 10 girls on stage and two approached me almost immediately. I bought one a lady drink and she was friendly and chatty. Name was "Kia". We played connect 4 a few times, and she sat on my lap. She offered 3500 for 3 hours at my hotel. This did not include the bar fine of 3500. Contrary to previous reports, the lady drinks did not count towards the bar fine. I asked the waitress about this ahead of time and she said "yes", however when I got the bill, the LDs were charged separately. I argued this politely at length with the mamasan, to no avail. Total was 3500+3500+600 (2 LD)+ 200 (one beer for me).

When we got back to my room, we took showers and had a great hour and half together with DFK, DATY, BBBJ, and enthusiastic covered main course. She has A cups and is trimmed but not shaved on the pubis, shaved on the pussy itself. Slim, nice firm ass. No obvious tattoos. Nice smile and very personable.

After the first round, she showered and put her dress back on. I am thinking WTF. We have another hour and a half! She wouldn't budge. I told her that I would only pay half, and she was fine with that. Again, I am thinking, WTF! She said her pussy was tired and she had a 3 hour trip back to her home in Quezon City (3 hours? I asked if she was planning to walk!

I do not understand. She could double her money for the night by working for another hour and a half (or maybe only 15 minutes), but she would rather leave? She seriously seemed like she was having a great time with me, then she suddenly flakes out. Bizarre. I guess I should have specified how many pops, but when she offered 3 hours, and most guys pop in 15 minutes, I didn't think she would be planning to leave after one pop.

Too jet lagged to try Burgos again the same night, so guess I'll just go back tomorrow night. The experience was quite good, just wish it had lasted for the planned 3 hours.

Still need some ideas for tomorrow during the day. Tried to do some tourism by visiting the Ayala Museum, but it was closed for renovations. Maybe Abacca tomorrow?

[El Ted]

Any suggestions for daytime action in Makati? I thought I had done my research and settled on using the "spas" listed on the Manila Tonight website, especially Roadstar and Stargate, but after a depressing experience at Roadstar, I think I may be headed toward using Smooci or take a cab over to Flight 168 during the day. Not sure what time Flight 168 opens, though. Thought this would be easy. Hoping Burgos is successful tonight.

You could try Abacca Spa. They are open 24 x7 (I think) and offer a pretty good massage + he. No BJ or sex though. Clean rooms and decent looking ladies when I was there a couple of years ago. They have one in Makati (Antipolo) and one in Malate.

[Blanquiceleste]

1. BKK. 2. Jakarta. 3. MNL. 4. Pattaya. 5. Macau. 6 Singapore.

Fantastic analysis and ranking. I might put Jakarta ahead of BKK if not for the horrendous infrastructure. Jakarta is mind-boggling in terms of both quantity and quality. I personally think Pattaya has just fallen off the cliff, as more and more reports I hear are about how bad the service is and how much more expensive it has become for little or no change in the offering. Macau is a treat in every sense, and Singapore. Well, what can I say?!

So KL is you idea of a great girly destination? Amazing! I don't even consider KL a primary mongering destination.

SNIP

The nicest thing I can say about BC FL's is they are a lot better looking and less expensive too than Wanchai FL bar girls in Hong Kong. Currently HKG is the worst mongering city in SE Asia! And that was before the current problems began.

Hahahaha!! This has got to be the comparison of this year, even if its just 2 weeks of 2020 gone. I travel to both cities for work and thankfully I have my personal contacts to keep me company. The last I went to BC in KL was around 2014. Swore never to go back, and I have not. Similarly I wrote off Wanchai in 2010.

I should also mention that I like Phnom Penh and Yangon. I would probably rate Phnom ahead of Singapore because Khmer girls are very unique and some of them are very pretty. Burmese girls are very nice as well.

A nice way to round off the region. I have never been to Yangon, so that is a to-do item for 2020. As for PP, I can't agree more with you. Each time I have gone there, the place has continued to surprise me with the quality of girls I find there. And the food is great. Not much to do during the day, unless you are into art, culture, religion and history. And it is still cheap as chips.

[MutantChicken]

Any suggestions for daytime action in Makati? I thought I had done my research and settled on using the "spas" listed on the Manila Tonight website, especially Roadstar and Stargate, but after a depressing experience at Roadstar, I think I may be headed toward using Smooci or take a cab over to Flight 168 during the day. Not sure what time Flight 168 opens, though. Thought this would be easy. Hoping Burgos is successful tonight.

I think the problem is that you are a foreigner and clearly don't know how the system works, that's why they took advantage of your lack of knowledge and gave you the dregs and overcharged you. Also in the daytime the hot girls have not gone to work yet so you coming early just means you have limited choices IE fugly ones BTW the standard charges are 1500 for FS or at least a B2B massage and a BJ for those that don't offer FS.

[ShinyCrazy]

Any suggestions for daytime action in Makati? I thought I had done my research and settled on using the "spas" listed on the Manila Tonight website, especially Roadstar and Stargate, but after a depressing experience at Roadstar, I think I may be headed toward using Smooci or take a cab over to Flight 168 during the day. Not sure what time Flight 168 opens, though. Thought this would be easy. Hoping Burgos is successful tonight.

[ShinyCrazy]

Avoid at all costs. Crawling with roaches. Dirty towels. Shower that doesn't drain with dirty standing water. Paid the 850 peso standard 1 hour massage fee. Told I couldn't see the girls. They assigned a therapist. She had multiple rolls of fat and covered in tattoos. Only know this because the lights were purposely turned as low as possible. I turned the lights up. Wouldn't discuss extras until after the 15 minute intro massage. Then, extras were: HJ 2000, BJ 3000, FS 4500. For those prices, I could have a stunner all night long from Burgos. Avoid this place. Ripoff!

[JasperLaguitao]

I've parked may car near the Motel Sogo and walked all around the alley streets, all the way to Mandaluyong bridge.

Here are my report.

Along Makati avenue, the hookers are more likely rated as a 3. 5-6/10 . Not lookers, usually fat and ugly.

Along padre Burgos, they are more prettier here, but be warned lots of transgender and gay pretending to be girls here. So if your a foreigner,your usually the victim.

Lots of minors too, and when I say minors, its the bait the corrupt cops use to extort money from you. Usually a squadron of swat and Makati pulis arrive there around 11 pm.

They wait for you to pick up their "assets" and pick you up once its confirmed that you have gotten the minor, I've seen foreigners get picked up by the police once the tourists enter the taxi with the minor.

Very embarrassing and expect them to burn a hole in your wallet.

Around mars street, you'll see 3 spas there that offer massage, I've tried it a couple of times. But the girls charges high. 3 k for sex with blowjob. With condoms. Service not good. [Deleted by Admin].

If you crossed the intersection of kalayaan street and padre Burgos, the walkers or hookers are fewer here. There's a spa nearby. I think its Osaka spa. Which offers nuru massage. 3 k for BJ and 5 k for sex. Girls are chubby here. Not that good selection.

Walking all the way to mandaluyong bridge. Its sad to see the few hookers instead of before were they travel in packs.

There's a bar near 71 gramercy. Royal club. Its a hangout of all the hookers who want foreigners. Its annoying that the bouncers keep on asking for tip.

The girls are also pushy. Charges 5 k for sex. I said I only pay 3 k.

Ill pay them 5 k if they allow anal and live sex.

None of them would. Those who would are usually gay or have sickness.

This is my January 2020 report.

[Member #4698]

One of the things that attracts me to KL is the infrastructure and general ease of get to and around of the city. In Phil I always feel I am in a shithole, substandard accom, food is atrocious and getting around a hassle. Also I don't drink and can't spend ages at a bar talking shit while throwing back coke after coke after coke. Also I need shit to do during the day. I get easily bored. Body clock says wake up every morn at 8 by the latest.

You said you have 3 wks in Jakarta. Lets say you spend from 7 pm to 2 am mongering every night what will you do the rest of the time? And Jakarta is such a crap city to get around. How do you fill in the time esp for 3 wks? (with respect).

This is a good question not only for Jakarta, but also for MNL, BKK, KL, Singapore, Pat, AC, Phnom ect ect.

BKK is at the top of my list in part because there is plenty to do in addition to fooling around with the girls which is almost 24/7. Pat is less interesting because all there is essentially is girls, girls, and more girls but the good part is that they are available almost 24/7 so I don't get bored and there is basically always something to do.

In cities like Jakarta, MNL, KL, and Macau, however, this is not the case so a punter has to be creative with all the free time. I try to sleep late. That helps me stay in sync with the city. Then I always stay in hotels with good swimming pools. After a couple of hours by the pool (in and out of the shade) I will usually catch up on the internet and my correspondences. By then its afternoon lunch time. Lunch is my main meal of the day. After lunch I like to walk it off by taking in the sights. Then I will head back to my hotel where I rest, watch a little tV, and eventually cleanup for the evening's activities.

A great thing about Jakarta is that the nights can have 2 different stages. Early evening stage beginning around 8:30 to 9:30 pm is bordello time. I have my favorite bordellos which I rotate around every 4 or 5 nights. After a bordello session I will usually have a little light dinner. Then it is time for the later evening stage and time to see about picking up a FL Bar girl after midnight to take back to my hotel room. This can also be easily done in Singapore too with a Geylang in-house girl in the afternoon and a FL pickup girl after 11 pm.

MNL is a little different. When I am not looking for new girls, I enjoy a lot of threesomes, drinking, and dinners with my 2 favorite repeat girls that I have known since 2015. They are great girls and best friends, so my time with them is always fun and worthwhile. The girls and I usually get together at my hotel at around 7 pm and the girls stay until 1 or 2 am. Sometimes I invite them over for afternoon lunch and pool parties. Those are nice because after the girls leave, I can clean up my room a little and go out hunting again. The girls and I consume a fair amount of Tequila. The drinks contribute to making it a convivial party situation and not just a shagathon. LOL.

So that's about it. In summary, you have to be creative with your free time or else you will be bored. Hey read a book, learn a language, shop the malls, take in the museums and local culture, get into photography, walk around, AND always, always keep your eyes open for any opportunities that may come your way. I enjoy my time in Jakarta and MNL, but I admit I would probably go nuts if I had to live in either city. I could see myself living in BKK, on the other hand, but after a few years I would probably get tired of BKK too. The great thing about SE Asia is that it is so easy and relatively inexpensive to fly to another nearby destination anytime you have the urge to get away. I am not planning to give up my American citizenship, but I do see myself settling down in SE Asia, BKK most likely, in the near future. I have been all over the world and there is nowhere else besides SE Asia where I would choose to live. But that's just me. YMMV.

[Wicked Roger]

If you were in KL from 2002 till around 2008, KL was dream destination for mongering. Actually I used to pick up local girls in Beach club. Whole club was filled with excellent quality of Local FLs, Pinoys, Indons, and some but not much Vietnamese or Chinese. I visited KL again in 2016 it was sad situation, beach club was unrecognizable, and filled with Vietnamese, African, and some ex-sovient Live stock quality girls. I had to leave.

Went back to KL to meet my ex, and Beach club even looked more sad will never go their again. Bye Bye KL. It was great Memories.

Well said and prices are rising also. I remember those days and was great. I walked into Beach Club with a bisexual pinay and found a lovely partner and had a great threesome all night.

Now is a sad looking bunch. Either that or I am picky and fussy.

But I do agree the infrastructure is good.

[Engine Driver]

One of the things that attracts me to KL is the infrastructure and general ease of get to and around of the city. In Phil I always feel I am in a shithole, substandard accom, food is atrocious and getting around a hassle. Also I don't drink and can't spend ages at a bar talking shit while throwing back coke after coke after coke. Also I need shit to do during the day. I get easily bored. Body clock says wake up every morn at 8 by the latest.

I too find it surprising that you go all the way to KL to pick up at Beach Club. You keep mentioning that you like the infrastructure in KL, but you come from Rich White Man Land (RWML), where they already have superb infrastructure. On the Gold Coast where you live, you even have that light rail thing running down the middle to keep all the left wing progressives happy.

You can get pretty girls in brothels in Sydney and Melbourne for $220 - 250 an hour, so it might be better for you to enjoy the delights in your own country. With time and some effort, you could find some nice Asian and South American FLs in apartments on the Gold Coast. The sessions will get better once you build some rapport with these FLs. I have four hookers on my roster in RWML and previously only went to the Phils because it was all rather amusing. I've now retired from the Phils and will hopefully be tapping black ass in Mombassa soon. Hahahahaha.

We've all mentioned this before, but the accommodation does not have to be substandard in the Phils. It depends on how much you can pay. But since you blew most of your budget on the Shitsville Airlines, before you even left, of course your accommodation was going to be shit! In the early 1970's, the Buffalo Bills spent all their money on one O. J. Simpson, their superstar running back. To keep under the salary cap, the Bills had very little money to buy any more good players, hence the entire team was woeful and they did not ever win much for the entire decade. So the moral of the story is, don't spend all your money on one big item.