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[AsianPursuits]

Is it better to use an esim or physical sim? I just upgraded my phone for this reason but don't know if I should move my main number to esim.

To me, it makes sense to have your main number on esim. In future when you are travelling to more mongering destinations you can easily plug in your local number.

[Drbombay]

Is it better to use an esim or physical sim? I just upgraded my phone for this reason but don't know if I should move my main number to esim.

It depends. If you are expecting calls from your home, with the Samsung S21 I use, you can have one eSim and 1 physical sim active at the same time. From when I was there in March, most of the tourist sims will be a physical sim, so you may be stuck with one. My phone has two physical sim slots, plus the esim option. So as I stated, the max I could go is dual sim, one physical and one esim.

[UncleDrew04]

Same here. I get a local sim and use that for data and a stand-by number, but I use an app called Hush that I pay $99 a year for a US number and it can be used for What's App. So I have dual WA accounts, one with my normal activity and one set aside in the Samsung Secure Folder for mongering only. They get that number and only that.

Is it better to use an esim or physical sim? I just upgraded my phone for this reason but don't know if I should move my main number to esim.

[Drbombay]

Nothing has really changed in this regard. The hustlers still hustle and get their money early. It costs them nothing to continually send the same texts to their contact list.

I make a point of keeping my mongering activities to a specific SIM card. I turn over to a new card every so often. I keep any contacts that I want and then initiate contact to my schedule not there.

Same here. I get a local sim and use that for data and a stand-by number, but I use an app called Hush that I pay $99 a year for a US number and it can be used for What's App. So I have dual WA accounts, one with my normal activity and one set aside in the Samsung Secure Folder for mongering only. They get that number and only that.

Yeah it really is a shame sometimes but attitude determines altitude is a true statement. The first night I went to the "V" place (can't remember full name) I pulled one with my partner. His lady was outgoing and fun, her friend was just "meh. " Went back to hotel did the deed and then she wanted to go. Her friend however was not ready to leave and wanted to stay the night, but she made her leave with her. Went back to same place the next night and pulled a different one and even saw the one I had the night before. Didn't feel like putting up with her lackluster performance again and you could see the look on her face of she thought she was going to get fined out that night but I went with someone else. Glad I didn't have to work with her after that look she gave.

[AsianPursuits]

In the end though, what I've found is the ones who hustle you with the fast break, will be the ones calling and texting later in the week when things get slow and some other bill is due, that's when I say sorry but you left early or were lackluster and I'm going in a different direction. Hope to get back down there later this summer or early fall!

Nothing has really changed in this regard. The hustlers still hustle and get their money early. It costs them nothing to continually send the same texts to their contact list.

I make a point of keeping my mongering activities to a specific SIM card. I turn over to a new card every so often. I keep any contacts that I want and then initiate contact to my schedule not there.

[Drbombay]

Which specific bar (s) in P. Burgos did this happen?

Not sure if I were actually in the area, I met one set of women at a place called Coco-Rock, and the others at the bar right next to them called "V" or something like that. All I remember is we told the Grab to take us to the "G-Spot" club but it was closed and we walked down that street to the places I mentioned. I wrote about it on Mar 22 I believe and the spot is named Vane Restaurant. Look for my previous post and follow that thread and you will see the area I was in.

[Drbombay]

I am not sure. My reading of DrB's report is that he paid the barfine (p3900-ish) only, and nothing extra to the girl. Then he took her home for the joy, she stayed late, and asked for nothing. DrB: Can you clarify? Did you:

1) Pay just the barfine, but no tip (neither in the bar, nor the next day to the girl)?

2) Paid both the barfine + girl's tip *before* leaving the bar (prepay all)?

3) Other?

If DrB paid the barfine and no tip, that's entirely possible. The gents had just started coming back into the country, and the bars were few and re-opening. They might have been in a desperation mode to get ANY money coming from customers. The current 5 girls - 1 guy ratio in the bars that I am hearing privately would suggest that might continue to be happening.

A new day, new rules, and each bar setting its own policy. Even more-so, each girl sets her own policy. Regardless her hot-ness, if she goes a week (or 3) without a barfine (lack of gents), she might be willing to accept no tip. Scaring the occasional gent away from the bar with a p5000 tip request means no barfines this week. OTOH, failure to mention a tip in the bar might get her a tip in the morning, and maybe 3 barfines this week at p1000 each. P3000 (6000 with small tips) is better than zero.

From one of my regulars, the street scene is coming back the past few weeks. Her friends there tell her of a similar situation: Standing on the street until 2 am, no offers, not enough gents, wasting jeep fare getting there, gents wanting only a massage, no customer for a week. It might seem that Phils needs an influx of "Vaxxing doctors". I'd hate to think of a Covid upsurge. . .

Sorry guys should have remembered my creative writing course from long ago and been more specific. I paid the bar fine (about P3,000 and then probably another P6,000 for the lady) so a total of P9,000 was spent. To some that may sound like a lot, but in the long run, much cheaper than buying them those high priced drinks. I did meet one a friend of a friend who had pulled his lady out of LA Cafe, and she introduced me to someone (I was lazy and paid the price) and for what I payed I still came out ahead with a better deal just paying bar fine. Somehow with the freelancer I was expected to by her daughter's birthday cake the next day and I told her she's not my kid.

In the end though, what I've found is the ones who hustle you with the fast break, will be the ones calling and texting later in the week when things get slow and some other bill is due, that's when I say sorry but you left early or were lackluster and I'm going in a different direction. Hope to get back down there later this summer or early fall!

[WestCoast1]

I was just there in Manila back in March, and the one bar fine I paid covered the whole costs. Paid the fine and the woman went home with me, at no additional costs nor did she ask.

Don't forget that you can prepay everything at any bar. It's not recommended but possible. This is a common ploy that bars and girls try on newbies so that 1/ there is no concern of no payment from an unknown punter and possibly 2/ there is no consequence if the girl wants to do an early runner.

It's hardly surprising that DrBombay's girl (s) did not refuse when offered full payment upfront. Why would they? It's a all win / no loss position for them.

I am not sure. My reading of DrB's report is that he paid the barfine (p3900-ish) only, and nothing extra to the girl. Then he took her home for the joy, she stayed late, and asked for nothing. DrB: Can you clarify? Did you:

1) Pay just the barfine, but no tip (neither in the bar, nor the next day to the girl)?

2) Paid both the barfine + girl's tip *before* leaving the bar (prepay all)?

3) Other?

If DrB paid the barfine and no tip, that's entirely possible. The gents had just started coming back into the country, and the bars were few and re-opening. They might have been in a desperation mode to get ANY money coming from customers. The current 5 girls - 1 guy ratio in the bars that I am hearing privately would suggest that might continue to be happening.

A new day, new rules, and each bar setting its own policy. Even more-so, each girl sets her own policy. Regardless her hot-ness, if she goes a week (or 3) without a barfine (lack of gents), she might be willing to accept no tip. Scaring the occasional gent away from the bar with a p5000 tip request means no barfines this week. OTOH, failure to mention a tip in the bar might get her a tip in the morning, and maybe 3 barfines this week at p1000 each. P3000 (6000 with small tips) is better than zero.

From one of my regulars, the street scene is coming back the past few weeks. Her friends there tell her of a similar situation: Standing on the street until 2 am, no offers, not enough gents, wasting jeep fare getting there, gents wanting only a massage, no customer for a week. It might seem that Phils needs an influx of "Vaxxing doctors". I'd hate to think of a Covid upsurge. . .

[Goferring]

More specifially, Ghost is referring to something that seems to happen only in Burgos gogo bars.....

Don't forget that you can prepay everything at any bar. It's not recommended but possible. This is a common ploy that bars and girls try on newbies so that 1/ there is no concern of no payment from an unknown punter and possibly 2/ there is no consequence if the girl wants to do an early runner.

It's hardly surprising that DrBombay's girl (s) did not refuse when offered full payment upfront. Why would they? It's a all win / no loss position for them.

Cheers. G.

[TripleX]

I was just there in Manila back in March, and the one bar fine I paid covered the whole costs. Paid the fine and the woman went home with me, at no additional costs nor did she ask. One even stayed over until late afternoon the next day because she hadn't told her parents what she really does (they believe the typical call center job) so since it was a Sunday and her mother expected her to remain at home she wanted to lay up with me during the day. I guess YMMV. Did this for several places there, one bar fine and that was it.

Which specific bar (s) in P. Burgos did this happen?

[Lefeu]

More specifially, Ghost is referring to something that seems to happen only in Burgos gogo bars:

1) There is a barfine, payable directly to the bar as part of your tab / bill, as you depart (3. 5 - 4 k).

2) There is a separate tip (which Ghost refers to as the cost of sex), which most Burgos gogo girls will insist be agreed upon before departing the bar with you.

This tip amount, her services in the room, and her departure time are all up for negotiation before leaving the bar. As most bars give the girl p1000 from the barfine, she will usually not agree to leave the bar with you until she is sure that she can get several thousand more as a pre-arranged tip in the morning. Most girls will negotiate her tip in the bar in the range of 4000 - 6000 (and most are willing to negotiate it down). Unless something goes badly wrong, you are expected to pony-up in the morning your previously agreed-upon tip amount...

Thanks for this complete explanation!

[Lefeu]

I was just there in Manila back in March, and the one bar fine I paid covered the whole costs. Paid the fine and the woman went home with me, at no additional costs nor did she ask...

...Did this for several places there, one bar fine and that was it.

I have always been confused by this. In some places, they ask you to pay the girl separately, and other places the bar fine is all inclusive. I've run into the same issue in AC. Is this club specific?

[Drbombay]

The barfine is the barfine, by that I mean it's the cost to take the lady out of the bar which is a fixed fee set by the bar, it's down to the lady as to if it's short time or long time and your negotiation skills.

Barfines in P Burgos Street are generally 3.5 K to 4 K ($65-78 USD), remember this doesn't include the cost of sex, so that is down to what you agree with the lady either before you take her out or after the deed, but expect to pay at least 2-4 K to the lady and sometimes more depending on what you agree and how valuable she thinks she is.

Happy hunting.

I was just there in Manila back in March, and the one bar fine I paid covered the whole costs. Paid the fine and the woman went home with me, at no additional costs nor did she ask. One even stayed over until late afternoon the next day because she hadn't told her parents what she really does (they believe the typical call center job) so since it was a Sunday and her mother expected her to remain at home she wanted to lay up with me during the day. I guess YMMV. Did this for several places there, one bar fine and that was it.

[AsianPursuits]

After three great weeks in Ph I am back to the cold harsh reality of western life. Fantasy life is over, Life goes on for me and back to real life.

Same goes for my many overnight GFS. Life goes on and they will be competing to suck the next horny guy's cock.

Whomever is the guy fucking some nice 20 year old in Okada since last Saturday you are a lucky bugger.

[WestCoast1]

The barfine is the barfine, by that I mean it's the cost to take the lady out of the bar which is a fixed fee set by the bar, it's down to the lady as to if it's short time or long time and your negotiation skills.

Barfines in P Burgos Street are generally 3.5 K to 4 K ($65-78 USD), remember this doesn't include the cost of sex, so that is down to what you agree with the lady either before you take her out or after the deed, but expect to pay at least 2-4 K to the lady and sometimes more depending on what you agree and how valuable she thinks she is.

More specifially, Ghost is referring to something that seems to happen only in Burgos gogo bars:

1) There is a barfine, payable directly to the bar as part of your tab / bill, as you depart (3. 5 - 4 k).

2) There is a separate tip (which Ghost refers to as the cost of sex), which most Burgos gogo girls will insist be agreed upon before departing the bar with you. This tip amount, her services in the room, and her departure time are all up for negotiation before leaving the bar. As most bars give the girl p1000 from the barfine, she will usually not agree to leave the bar with you until she is sure that she can get several thousand more as a pre-arranged tip in the morning. Most girls will negotiate her tip in the bar in the range of 4000 - 6000 (and most are willing to negotiate it down). Unless something goes badly wrong, you are expected to pony-up in the morning your previously agreed-upon tip amount.

If you negotiate a p4000 tip in the bar for the girl at her departure time, she will earn your 4000 + 1000 from the barfine. Burgos gogo girls are relatively consistent in not running early (probably because she knows you will reduce the tip for such behavior).

This is completely different than in AC, where the barfine (up to p4000) is all-inclusive. Any tip amount you pay (if any) is decided by you at her departure time in AC. Most gents on this board mention giving in the range of p300 - 1,000 for good work. AC girls are not so consistent in staying LT, there are more early-departure runners. Possibly this is due to you having paid the entire amount up-front. She will get 50% of the barfine amount (say, p1500 of your p3000 barfine amount) later, and she is unsure if you will tip her in the morning, so running after the first round (or even before the first round, if you take her out drinking / dancing / eating for a few hours before heading to your place) might make sense in her mind.