Makati

[Genmax]

The condo's use that method also. The card gets you to your floor and common floors (pool, gym) only. Why can't you bring the girl up after meeting in the lobby?

The issue is a few of my colleagues will be staying with me at the hotel next week. What ever happened to the front desk just calling the room to let the guest up?

I read a few pages back Cotton is closed? Any other good clubs hit up at EDSA?

[GDreams]

Recently stayed at the Shangrala last month. Noticed the elevators at the Shangrla now require keycards to get up to the rooms. How would the girls come up to the room without a card?

Well the standard method is they go to reception. Reception calls you and asks if you are expecting miss sweet thing. You say yes, they take her ID then they swipe her into the elevator and she can go to your floor. After she finishes she goes to reception. They ring and ask is it OK for her to leave. You say yes and they hand back the ID. The other option is you meet her and take her up.

[WestCoast1]

Recently stayed at the Shangrala last month. Noticed the elevators at the Shangrla now require keycards to get up to the rooms. How would the girls come up to the room without a card?

The condo's use that method also. The card gets you to your floor and common floors (pool, gym) only. Why can't you bring the girl up after meeting in the lobby?

[Genmax]

What would you recommend be best for highest quality girls to go out on a date and have a couple hours of fun in the hotel? I am new to the forum and have done quite a few pages of RTFF. Here is what I think is my best bets:

1. On Burgos: Plan be, Bottoms and Kojax seem to be the top bars with best girls.

2. Online dating sites like PL etc. This is not my thing as I neither have the time or the inclination to go find and wait for someone.

Are there any other avenues to get high quality, no drama girls to go out on dinners / club / dancing / drinking and action later? Last time I was in Manila, someone took me to a KTV (I think classmate) and there were bunch of good looking girls that we paid the Bar fine to take out. I don't remember how much we paid for it but IIRC it was around $200 to $250 (USD) and I was able to charge it to my credit card..

Recently stayed at the Shangrala last month. Noticed the elevators at the Shangrla now require keycards to get up to the rooms. How would the girls come up to the room without a card?

[Member #4698]

Ill agree one is $30 and the other $200 but where in Jakarta are you getting near naked girls having their tits sucked and giving you a BJ in the bar?

The Malio Club. My favorite bordello in the world! I love that place.

[Goferring]

Koreans and Japanese are known to sit on their hands and concentrate on a girl's shoulder rather than tits, ass, and DFK girls. Will the girls there actually stop your wandering hands and mouth if they wander? What about other bars in Burgos? Is there limited hands on action in the bars?

Thinking of going but if it's tame may need to rethink my plans. How many drinks do they girls devour per hour? I have a 3 or 4 drink per hour rule for gogo girls in Thailand. Will Burgos and EDSA girls follow that rule?

In my opinion the best girls and value is to be found in Indonesia, if you take away the language issue. YMMV.

Short answer, I think it's definitely worth experiencing. I can tell you that many times I am in a Gogo in Thailand and missing Philippines. I too enjoyed the Gogo scene more than most.

Ill agree one is $30 and the other $200 but where in Jakarta are you getting near naked girls having their tits sucked and giving you a BJ in the bar?

The Gogos in LOS are far more designed to extract your cash and turn over customers ASAP. You will find prettier girls there but it is stare at girls on a stage, pick a number and off to do the deed. I was there with a good looking, young, Asian American guy and the girls refused any of his requests that would add to the time involved.

Depends on your preferences but the PI girls may not be as plentiful nor as good looking but they will party hard and show you a good time inside and out of the bar. And no need for Google Translate. If you're not a sucker, they will respect a reasonable LD turnover rate and often LDs drunk at the bar will be taken off the 10 drink bar fine anyway.

Enjoy. G.

[Member #4698]

Bottoms is the wildest bar that I know of anywhere. I will amend THAT LAST STATEMENT: Bottoms is the wildest bar I know of anywhere with sexy doable girls that I want to shag. The Bottoms Girl's tops come off as soon as a customer offers to buy them a lady drink and touching and licking their nipples are encouraged. The girls expect it. After the intros and initial fondling, invite your girl or girls to one of the more private booths on either side of the central stage. Everything is available from the girls in the booths except sexual congress and even that might be possible although I never went that far. Ha Ha.

I have written about my farewell fall 2015 party in Bottoms. I had my two favorite girls (they are still my favorites) and a girlfriend of theirs, all 3 girls naked and giving me BJ's in one of the booths. Before starting up I negotiated with the mamasan on prices. Our deal was for the barfine = 10 tequilas (lady drinks) at 350 per drink and a special price for the third girl of 1000 p for her drinks and barfine included. The only other expense was for my 10 tequilas plus I bought a couple of tequilas for the mamasan and she comped a couple of tequilas for me. After all that we were all quite sauced and the girls and I taxied back to the Fairmont where we really party partied. I will never forget that night! It was one of my top 10 best nights ever. EVER!

So, yeah, I like Bottoms. They have a few great girls in there. Not all. Some Bottoms girls are a little porky. Ha ha. Kojax is currently the bar with the real lookers although my 2 Bottoms girls would easily be in the top 8 girls at Kojax if they worked there, but Kojax is not as hands on friendly as Bottoms.

This is just my 2 pesos worth. I skipped MNL last year in favor of spending 3 weeks in Jakarta instead. I had a great time in Jakarta, but now I am looking forward to my return visit to MNL coming up right around the corner, I am in BKK now and having a blast. I Will post a quicky review in the BKK reports forum soon. Stay thirsty.

[WhatDHell]

Koreans and Japanese are known to sit on their hands and concentrate on a girl's shoulder rather than tits, ass, and DFK girls. Will the girls there actually stop your wandering hands and mouth if they wander? What about other bars in Burgos? Thinking of going but if it's tame may need to rethink my plans. How many drinks do they girls devour per hour? I have a 3 or 4 drink per hour rule for girls in Thailand. Will Burgos and EDSA girls follow that rule?

The only two bars where my roving hands did not meet with resistance were bottoms and Mirrors. 3-4 drinks per hour seems just about right though to be honest there was constant hard sell starting literally 5 minutes after the first drink.

It's not like the Gogo's in Bangkok or Pattaya so set your expectations right. However there is something about the philipinas that makes them seem much warmer than their counterparts in other Asian countries, including Thailand. Plus there is the advantage of language. I met this girl in bottoms yesterday who was actually fun to talk to. She had a sense of humour and was not only getting my jokes but happily having a real fun conversation.

In my opinion the best girls and value is to be found in Indonesia, if you take away the language issue. YMMV.

Short answer, I think it's definitely worth experiencing. I can tell you that many times I am in a Gogo in Thailand and missing Philippines. I too enjoyed the Gogo scene more than most.

[Banana Boi]

girls have that typical look that is favoured by Koreans / Japanese. Lady drinks are lower that other places at 300 pesos but they don't really get you nothing. The girls expect to give you 'company' by sitting next to you as they devour watered down shots. Complete waste of time in my opinion.

Koreans and Japanese are known to sit on their hands and concentrate on a girl's shoulder rather than tits, ass, and DFK girls. Will the girls there actually stop your wandering hands and mouth if they wander? What about other bars in Burgos? Is there limited hands on action in the bars?

Thinking of going but if it's tame may need to rethink my plans. How many drinks do they girls devour per hour? I have a 3 or 4 drink per hour rule for gogo girls in Thailand. Will Burgos and EDSA girls follow that rule?

[Goferring]

I found EDSA a little boring. Wasn't much happening. Maybe I was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Further updates on Burgos:

Xoxo bar, the one next to Kojax (which is currently closed) - pure Japanese / Korean bar. The girls have that typical look that is favoured by Koreans / Japanese. Lady drinks are lower that other places at 300 pesos but they don't really get you nothing. The girls expect to give you 'company' by sitting next to you as they devour watered down shots. Complete waste of time in my opinion.

Apparently the bar fine is 3. 5 k with an additional 3 k for the girl. They'll have to line their pussies with gold to get my sorry Indian ass to part with that kind of money for a shag.

Practically all bars I peeped into with the exception of bottoms, plan be, xoxo and mirrors were dead. Bored looking girls and no mongers.

Mirrors remains my current favourite due to the fun atmosphere even though the girls are not really very good looking.

If I wasn't such a twisted perve, I swear I would just stick to freelancers in PH, off the streets or off the net.

I'd agree the bar is pretty low but but EDSA and Burgos are about as good as it gets Gogo wise in Manila. They are very much what you make of them: if you want a fun night out you need to arrive with the right attitude and make your own fun. It won't be handed to you. For beers and a boys night out AC is only a couple of hours away and a better option.

After finding XOXO closed, I was informed that it, Kojax and PlanB are part of the same consortium. Apparently the girls rotate between venues and when Kojax is closed XOXO is open and vise versa.

Yes, Burgos is aimed at tourists and those out to impress guests so its priced accordingly. Good girls can be found though and prices are much cheaper if you meet them when they are off shift. Now most of the volume and quality girls have indeed moved online.

[WhatDHell]

You could try EDSA.

Expect less full nudity and shows than Patts and less materialism than Nana. Looks wise you will find more buxom / curvaceous girls but less long and lean. Surgery is pretty much unknown in PI girls.

Enjoy. G.

I found EDSA a little boring. Wasn't much happening. Maybe I was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Further updates on Burgos:

Xoxo bar, the one next to Kojax (which is currently closed) - pure Japanese / Korean bar. The girls have that typical look that is favoured by Koreans / Japanese. Lady drinks are lower that other places at 300 pesos but they don't really get you nothing. The girls expect to give you 'company' by sitting next to you as they devour watered down shots. Complete waste of time in my opinion.

Apparently the bar fine is 3. 5 k with an additional 3 k for the girl. They'll have to line their pussies with gold to get my sorry Indian ass to part with that kind of money for a shag.

Practically all bars I peeped into with the exception of bottoms, plan be, xoxo and mirrors were dead. Bored looking girls and no mongers.

Mirrors remains my current favourite due to the fun atmosphere even though the girls are not really very good looking.

If I wasn't such a twisted perve, I swear I would just stick to freelancers in PH, off the streets or off the net.

[Goferring]

Thanks so much for the bar reviews WhatDHell. I will be sure to check out the Burgos area when I am in town.

Any other bar areas similar to this in Makati or around Manila? My buddy and I prefer gogo bars / strip club atmosphere.

You could try EDSA.

Expect less full nudity and shows than Patts and less materialism than Nana. Looks wise you will find more buxom / curvaceous girls but less long and lean. Surgery is pretty much unknown in PI girls.

Enjoy. G.

[SaltyPete]

If you RTFF, RK has explained in great detail why the upper class people would never go near a foreigner. Just accept that as foreigners, we will only get to socialise with the lower end of society.

I don't have a problem with that. As the saying goes, no matter how pretty the girl, somewhere there is a guy who got tired of putting up with her bullshit. Many "models" claim that status because they paid a guy / agency to take pics for a portfolio.

One can find supposed "models" on SeekingArrangement. Just be prepared to pay more and put up with their princess attitude. But if sleeping with a "model" makes one feel better about one's self, the price may be worth it.

[Engine Driver]

I'm told Makati has become a pretty big working girl mongering area now and I need to go to BCG or something for the upper class people to try to bang an actress or model. I guess we will see on this next trip if it truly has changed.

I hope you don't mind my saying, but why do you think an actress or model would want to be seen with a foreign monger? It would be social and career suicide for her. She would have enough rich, local sponsors (businessmen, politicians etc) without having to lower her standards and sleep with a sleezy foreigner. There are a few exceptionally pretty, former models on Smooci for 25,000 all night. I might give it a whirl next time. I once came across a former TV actress at LA Cafe. I bought her a glass of red wine (400 PHP!) and had a nice chat with her. She wanted 2,000ST, but I declined as she was a bit chubby. Obviously, she was totally washed up with no career and no money.

If you RTFF, RK has explained in great detail why the upper class people would never go near a foreigner. Just accept that as foreigners, we will only get to socialise with the lower end of society.

[WestCoast1]

Freelancers: Quite a few with asking rates from 3 k to 1 k. A few were literally begging to be taken. Picked one and she stole 1. 5 k. Had her number and asked her and she naturally denied.

Spent a few weeks there recently. Had any number of strange things happen on the street. The price range request was in the ridiculous. Few cases:

1) Went for an early morning walk one Sunday morning, around 6 am. Walking back up Durban (from Makati Ave) and crossing Burgos St about 6:30, there were about 25 ladies standing on the sidewalk and in the street right in front of Plan Bee, many of them I've seen before in the street, and many of them looking almost nervous. Several of them called out my name. I walked over to chat them. Right away: "Please we can ST Westy?" Huh? Now? "Yes its ok 500 only". Different girl: "You take me 500". Another girl: "You take me and my friend 500 each". What, ladies, is leading to this sense of desperation? Why are so many girls here when there were none 30 minutes ago? "Just we go your hotel Westy". One of my regulars was in the condo at the moment making my breakfast so I moved on, leaving the herd there. When I got back to the condo my regular said: "Did you see many lady in the street?" Yes, they seemed strange, disoriented, desperate. How did you know? "They is my friends". What happened? "The barangay release them this morning". What does that mean? "The barangay arrest them Friday. Release this morning". Arrested for what? "Sweep the street. All girl no valid eye dee is arrest. Now release". So they have been in jail for several days? "Yes". And their families? "At home". Children alone? "Yes". Why don't they just jump on the next jeep home? "No money. No foods in the ref. They will ST to get fare and rice". Welcome to Phils.

2) A number of girls who shot out 2 K as a ST amount dropped in just 2 iterations to 1500 and then 1000.

3) A real cutie was sitting on the ground, her back against a pole or tree, on Makati Ave in front of Berjaya. Asking if she was available she said yes, for ST for p5500. P5500? "Yes". Ah, how about 1500? "Haha no. Five-five". Wow, it must be made of gold? "I am gold". I see. I moved on. She was there every night for several weeks. Several nights I walked by and offered the 1500. Reply: "I say before five-five". Got it, moved on. Several other nights I walked by with a different girl and to the first (gold) girl I mouthed or hand gestured "1. 5" or "2 k LT". She just smiled and I never saw her gone from that spot. Did anyone take the gold? Dunno.

4) Another girl insisted on 3. 5 k for ST on two occasions. Another day I saw her across the street from the Cubana Cafe. A guy walked up to her, they spoke for maybe 20 seconds, and they walked off arm-in-arm; obvious he agreed to the 3. 5 k. Take your pic: That's either a fool and his money, or else he's one of the sharper among us.

Another wanted her friend to come along within the same price but I refused and when she could not produce any ID, I refused to go with her as well. I'm 99.9% sure she was neither under nor a lady boy but something did not seem right. Pictures of the freelancer in the pictures thread.

Many of the girls in the street have fake eye dees, with their pic and a fake name. If ever there is trouble later, nobody will be able to use the eye dee to locate the girl (even if you took a pic of it, or even if the hotel were to keep it the girl won't care).

Apologies for the long post but I hope it will benefit newbies much as I benefitted in the past from posts describing the scene.

"Never apologize for a multiple orgasm". Michael Douglass to Kathleen Turner, War of the Roses. In the same way, never apologize for a descriptive Field Report (newbs take note). Nice work guy.