Makati

[Joe Boy]

Was walking in the outside area where the ponds are in Greenbelt. Sat down where some other couples were near the Starbucks reserve is on Google maps. Within a minute of sitting down, was approached by two women. I'd say late 30's or early 40's. Was asked if I wanted company. This was at 5 pm and a mass had just finished nearby. Believe it or not, I wasn't looking that minute. Was checking out the area and was going to go back later in the evening.

Was asked if I wanted both, but went for the one that was shorter that wasn't doing the talking. She was short, not fat or skinny. Of course she has kids. I'm sure I overspent by offering 4000. She wanted to go back to my hotel, but I am here with colleagues. We went to the Shogo around the corner from Burgos. She had very smooth skin. Once we made the agreement, I could see the other women that were available. Was surprised as it was Sunday afternoon with families and kids around. I suspect that I could have gone for 2000 or 2500. She definitely wanted to come to my hotel and would very much like to see me for the rest of the week. Already offered to be my mistress and go swimming with her kids next weekend.

[Ghost D]

Thanks for the scouting report! Any info on bar fine amounts (ST and LT) and expected additional fees for the Bar Girl (ST and LT)?

The barfine is the barfine, by that I mean it's the cost to take the lady out of the bar which is a fixed fee set by the bar, it's down to the lady as to if it's short time or long time and your negotiation skills.

Barfines in P Burgos Street are generally 3.5 K to 4 K ($65-78 USD), remember this doesn't include the cost of sex, so that is down to what you agree with the lady either before you take her out or after the deed, but expect to pay at least 2-4 K to the lady and sometimes more depending on what you agree and how valuable she thinks she is.

Happy hunting.

[The Rose]

My ideal scene is the nightclub scene.

I had only one experience and it may be noteworthy. Hanging out outside of the night club were groups of girls looking to be sponsored. Perhaps they didn't have the entry fee. They were looking to be taken care of. So if you agreed to pay for the fee for the group then they would be your date but I didn't test how long that obligation would last. It probably is more prevalent on weekend nights. But I realized that whole deal was going to cost more than what I wanted to pay and with no certain outcome. Those who enjoy the chase might like this. You would have problems separating your selection from the pack. You might however get a threesome going if your hotel was especially appealing. Then, too, you could get a phone number for a future hookup. In fact, one of the first things you will want to do soon after introductions is to get numbers.

Like I said this entertainment model doesn't suit me so I never go to night clubs.

[MrHappyKat]

Here's an update on P Burgos street, hopefully you find it useful, if anyone can add to, or correct / improve on anything I say then please do so.

So, still no girly bars open on the side of the street that Filling Station is on, and very little activity on the bottom half of the street, hopefully we will see more bars opening up in the coming months now that travel is a bit more relaxed.

Thanks for the scouting report! Any info on bar fine amounts (ST and LT) and expected additional fees for the Bar Girl (ST and LT)?

I'll be there in July / Aug. Should be fun!

[Muttley81]

I take it all back. V8 is indeed amazing after their policy updates. A lot of smoking hot girls, didn't even make it to Nautica as I was happy with what was on offer in V8. Happy to be proved incorrect.

[Ghost D]

Here's an update on P Burgos street, hopefully you find it useful, if anyone can add to, or correct / improve on anything I say then please do so.

A Girly bar for me is a bar or club that has ladies available to barfine and take out for paid sex, the barfine can include the deed or not depending on where you are, in P Burgous street as far as I know the barfine does not include the deed, so you need to negotiate with the lady in question for what exactly you want.

Here is an updated list of the girly bars in P Burgos street:

Starting on the top of the street (there is a slight hill), map included for better understanding we have:

1. Nautica.

2. Par avion (which is the same entrance as Nautica, but upstairs) currently the most naughty spot in P Burgos street.

3. Coco Rock.

4. V8.

5. Fyre Fun Club. With the word Fyre being a play on Fire, the sign has a flaming F so makes more sense than just text.

6. Neon Nights (previously Saharat).

7. Dimples (completely different owner than the previous Dimples I was told by one of the ladies in there).

8. Lips (both downstairs and upstairs).

9. Bourbon.

Technically speaking both Lips and Dimples are not on P Burgos, but are close enough to include here.

Armors was mentioned in a report by Biggusdickus, but I haven't been there or seen it, maybe someone can add a report on it?

Fyre Fun Club is recent, it was open (no front wall or door) with a couple of pool tables and trying to be a shisha bar with some food, looks to be under new management, re-inventing itself as a girly bar but still some way to go, they have a front wall now, so that's a start.

Neon Nights has changed owners, apparently someone from Oz is a new owner, looks similar to the previous Saharat, and the cost of drinks has increased a lot (or maybe this was the first time I was sober there) either way a shot here is 50% more expensive than any other bar on the street, when I visited I only saw a handful of ladies.

So, still no girly bars open on the side of the street that Filling Station is on, and very little activity on the bottom half of the street, hopefully we will see more bars opening up in the coming months now that travel is a bit more relaxed.

[Ghost D]

I've seen on Royals menu tables are classed as Cocktail, VIP, Elite. Does the price include a bottle etc.

I haven't been to Royal since before the pandemic, but usually the way it works is the more you are going to spend the better you can enjoy, so for example, there were a number of tall standing tables in front of the DJ / Dance area, if it was early and you were only going to have a couple of beers then you might be allowed to get a table, but as soon as someone came in and ordered a bottle, you got booted off and made way for the higher spender. With this in mind it is usually better to be part of a group as opposed to flying solo.

You could keep a bottle for the next night if you were not going to finish it, but it had to be almost 50% or above full, if you ended up around 20% remaining in the bottle and decided to go home (alone or with someone) then you would loose the bottle, and no, as far as I remember you were not allowed to take the bottle out for obvious safety reasons.

For the seating areas I understand that there is a fee, and usually these are reserved some time in advance, so not usually available on the night. I was out a while ago in BGC and given that not all venues survived the pandemic, the nightclubs that were open were in high demand, so booking a seat or VIP on the night is unlikely without phoning ahead and understanding how to book.

Royal used to be a mix of Freelancers and regular ladies, I have scored both in the past, the only issue with regular girls is they (usually) quickly try to rope you into a relationship, I suspect the crowd that is now going to Royal is still the same.

And stating the obvious, in a typical nightclub such as Royal with regular freelancers there is no barfine.

I am sure others in this forum may be able to add more info than I was able to.

[LovePunt]

Other choices include going to night clubs such as Royal

Hi,

I'm planning on coming to Phils mostly travelling but will also do some mongering. My ideal scene is the nightclub scene, I've been reading up on Makati night clubs and Royal is one that regularly gets mentioned. What's the freelance scene like in Makati / Manila Night clubs? I know the advice will be to stick to girly bars, and I probably will try one, but I just like night clubs and and if there's freelancers there all the merrier if I see one I like.

I've seen on Royals menu tables are classed as Cocktail, VIP, Elite. Does the price include a bottle etc.

[WestCoast1]

It's really a shame more countries could not be like Germany with clean licensed FKK clubs (Brothels) in nearly every city or within a reasonable drive. They have, in my opinion, saved quite a few marriages.

Not sure of the marriages saved, but the anti-prostitute invective in some countries can be amazing.

Just buy a ticket, get laid and have a ball and go home to reality until the next Disneyland adventure. Don't complicate things.

Thanks for the reminder. Yours is likely the most sage advice provided here for a while and I'll try to restrain myself from commenting on generalizations outside of the context you describe.

Certainly there is room on the board to be inclusive of both the 2-week warrior (probably the bulk of us), and also the long-time regulars who have lived in-country for years? As we have the warriors, the expats, others who would hope for future mates, and lurkers here, I would think that lessons in culture might be worthwhile for some members.

[GoodEnough]

Just buy a ticket, get laid and have a ball and go home to reality until the next Disneyland adventure. Don't complicate things. It's really a shame more countries could not be like Germany with clean licensed FKK clubs (Brothels) in nearly every city or within a reasonable drive. They have, in my opinion, saved quite a few marriages.

Thanks for the reminder. Yours is likely the most sage advice provided here for a while and I'll try to restrain myself from commenting on generalizations outside of the context you describe.

GE.

[Mahaba]

I would like to emphasize this is "The International Sex Guide" (ISG) not a correspondence course on cultural assimilation and nuances of international relationships. The fourm exists to assist in sharing members experiences with the small percentage of a countries female population who will exchange sex for money and negotiating the best possible deal.

Posts are primarily biased toward interactions with prostitutes across the global demographic, seasoned with close-ups of genitalia and facials. For those that seek a life partner there are, in my observation, forums that specialize in those experiences.

Occasionally an ISG member reaches out for a sanity check when smitten by an "entrepreneur" with a great sales pitch. Usually someone comes to the rescue with sage advice that may save the member time, money and the emotional stress generally associated with poor relationship decisions.

Just buy a ticket, get laid and have a ball and go home to reality until the next Disneyland adventure. Don't complicate things. It's really a shame more countries could not be like Germany with clean licensed FKK clubs (Brothels) in nearly every city or within a reasonable drive. They have, in my opinion, saved quite a few marriages.

Gaining some understanding of "cultural differences" is always worthwhile, regardless of the country under discussion. As is often the case however, one's definition of "Philippines Culture" will vary enormously depending on the socio-economic level of the family, the extent and type of education to which a given person has been exposed, the ethnic / clan group to which a given person belongs, the relationship to family and of course the geographic location in which any given person grew up, priot relationship experiences and others too numerous to mention. Generalizing about national culture in an archipelagic country is even riskier, given the enormous range of subcultures, languages, mores and clan / tribal customs that exist here. I suggest that anyone exploring the possibility of a longer-term relationship try to understand all of these variables before coming to an accurate conclusion. In my case none of the generalizations stated in recent posts would apply. Nor would they apply to any of my friends here who have been in decades-long relationships. I'm not denigrating anyone's point of view. However, I would caution those who believe they understand the culture to take a step back and question their own conclusions.

I remember reading a couple of papers written by Professors of Sociology from UP and Ateneo de Manila, concluding that the post-colonial Philippines had failed in an attempt to create a national culture. While I don't remember the names of the people who wrote them or the titles of the papers, I understand the point of view. The taxonomy of socio-cultural values here tends to expand outward, from family, to tribe, to clan to province to country and these values can differ significantly from place to place. I would extend this premise to those who come here for the primary purpose of finding willing short-term partners. Again there's no disparagement implied or intended with that comment, but that's an entirely different subculture that overlaps only marginally with the other socio-cultural variables I've mentioned.

Succinctly, there's an enormous difference in insight that comes from living for a protracted period in a given locale and visiting the latter for a few weeks, even if those visits are repeated multiple times. In my 2+ decades of living here, I've met countless, intelligent and well meaning Western men who, having visited the place multiple times, firmly believed that they understood the culture only to realize, after 6 months or so, that they really had no clue. In some cases, they were left sadder but wiser.

Again, I mean no condescension with this post, and folks are surely free to do, think and feel however they like. I merely wanted to add a somewhat cautionary note about the dangers of over-generalizing.

GE.

[AsianPursuits]

When it comes time for me to seek out a sensible long term filipina partner I think I would:..

Thanks for the various aspects arising from this statement. Definitely I have lots to learn. For now I am happy being a happy tourist.

[GoodEnough]

Interesting and valuable insights (wink and thumbs up).

Gaining some understanding of "cultural differences" is always worthwhile, regardless of the country under discussion. As is often the case however, one's definition of "Philippines Culture" will vary enormously depending on the socio-economic level of the family, the extent and type of education to which a given person has been exposed, the ethnic / clan group to which a given person belongs, the relationship to family and of course the geographic location in which any given person grew up, priot relationship experiences and others too numerous to mention. Generalizing about national culture in an archipelagic country is even riskier, given the enormous range of subcultures, languages, mores and clan / tribal customs that exist here. I suggest that anyone exploring the possibility of a longer-term relationship try to understand all of these variables before coming to an accurate conclusion. In my case none of the generalizations stated in recent posts would apply. Nor would they apply to any of my friends here who have been in decades-long relationships. I'm not denigrating anyone's point of view. However, I would caution those who believe they understand the culture to take a step back and question their own conclusions.

I remember reading a couple of papers written by Professors of Sociology from UP and Ateneo de Manila, concluding that the post-colonial Philippines had failed in an attempt to create a national culture. While I don't remember the names of the people who wrote them or the titles of the papers, I understand the point of view. The taxonomy of socio-cultural values here tends to expand outward, from family, to tribe, to clan to province to country and these values can differ significantly from place to place. I would extend this premise to those who come here for the primary purpose of finding willing short-term partners. Again there's no disparagement implied or intended with that comment, but that's an entirely different subculture that overlaps only marginally with the other socio-cultural variables I've mentioned.

Succinctly, there's an enormous difference in insight that comes from living for a protracted period in a given locale and visiting the latter for a few weeks, even if those visits are repeated multiple times. In my 2+ decades of living here, I've met countless, intelligent and well meaning Western men who, having visited the place multiple times, firmly believed that they understood the culture only to realize, after 6 months or so, that they really had no clue. In some cases, they were left sadder but wiser.

Again, I mean no condescension with this post, and folks are surely free to do, think and feel however they like. I merely wanted to add a somewhat cautionary note about the dangers of over-generalizing.

GE.

[Dickaprio]

Choose wisely and do your research on cultural differences.

She is compromising for financial security and a sense of duty / sacrifice to her family.

If I were to take the plunge I would not marry. I would move to an upscale Philippine Island seaside community and develop a social network of filipina "friends with benefits".

My two cents.

Interesting and valuable insights (wink and thumbs up).

[Mahaba]

Choose wisely and do your research on cultural differences. Lots of pitfalls.

It is a rare occurrence to meet a filipina who does not eventually try to siphon some of your cash for her extended family. They will play the long game as they know there is a huge payoff in either cash or immigration. It does not matter if it's a farm-girl or a doctor.

Case in point. In the early 1980's when I was in my late 20's and a seasoned PI enthusiast I met a doctor in Manila at a party. I was in the Navy at the time. We spoke all of 30-minutes and later exchanged a few letters. A few months later I was at a follow-on duty assignment in London, UK and she proposed marriage, telling me something about offering me her body, or something like that. I'm thinking WTF?

It was obvious it was an immigration attempt, like every other filipina I met during a 3-year assignment in Subic. Only this one had a professional job.

In another example I met, through a friend, a member of the "Crispa" basketball team and his circle of well to do friends. We went out for drinks. Well, when the bill came around they all expected me to pay and made excuses they did not have enough money although they were staying at a nice hotel.

I think it's an ingrained behavior to circle the wagons and milk the foreigner to the benefit of the clan. Therefore I go in with my eyes open. I'll be there again this June and will treat the girls well, pay my way, have fun and return home.

If you are expecting any young girl from anywhere in the world to be genuinely excited to spend the rest of her life with an old man I've got a bridge to sell you. She is compromising for financial security and a sense of duty / sacrifice to her family.

If I were to take the plunge I would not marry. I would move to an upscale Philippine Island seaside community and develop a social network of filipina "friends with benefits".

My two cents.

I invited my little 19 yo spinner to repeat last night. She was great again.

One observation I want to make is that I for the past week I have really be specifying (to myself) that I want girls without kids. Yes, there are lots of willing, attractive moms. But the girl without kids has a different focus. Instead of desperately needing money to send to her family or pay for kids supplies, she can talk about her life and her career. It is just different, not right or wrong, just different.

When it comes time for me to seek out a sensible long term filipina partner I think I would:

Want a filipina 10 years older than my current targets.

Want a girl whose parents have passed away.

Maybe the youngest of siblings (not the oldest who in pinoy culture carries the burden).

Has a legitimate job.

That's just my thoughts for now. For now, I'm not currently seeking more than fun.