Makati

[WestCoast1]

This is what I do in Thailand. Always cut out the middleman. Didn't know some girls leave at 10. What time do they start work if they leave at 10 (ie what's the earliest I can hit the bars and have some quality girls around)?

Each bar has an opening time. If the girls are getting off at 10 pm, the bar probably opens early at 2 pm or 4 pm (6 or 8 hour shift). I think most bars close at 4 am (but differing opening times), so guessing a 6 hour shift. Some bars offer early (happy hour) drink and / or barfine prices. You can find out hours of operation just by asking the door guards as you pass by on the street.

This goes against everything I've learned the past 30 years!

BB: I didn't understand this part. What did you learn in the last 30 years that was blown by GE's experience?

A caution: Each country has its own way of doing things, and going there the first time involves a learning curve that can't be predicted by reading online about it. Guys coming from their norm of German FKK clubs, or the S American system, are sometimes flummoxed as Asia was not quite how they saw it on YT or here in ISG. Take a look at TjBrazil's recent experience. As you are experienced in Thailand, I think you will be fine.

[Banana Boi]

Never been to Makati / AC. About the last place I haven't been to in Asia other than China. Doing my due diligence researching now.

Been scanning some videos of Burgos and came across one where the guy says many of the girls will only have fun in the bars but won't go home with you. Please tell me this isn't so. I hate having to ask if the girl will go LT even before I sit down with her. Most of the time I lose interest or see someone better within the first drink. Is it really true that lots of girls say no to LT on Burgos? He also implied there were other places in Manila much better than Burgos but doesn't say where. Can anyone enlighten me on where these other places are? I only know of LA Cafe in Manila.

Given that some cute girls will get off at 10 o'clock, perhaps it would be possible to go there prior to 10, and make a separate deal with the girl to meet you at your hotel once she gets off work, maybe not for Php3,000 as the one girl there offered my friend and me, but for 4 or 5 K. It would represent a substantial savings.

This is what I do in Thailand. Always cut out the middleman. Didn't know some girls leave at 10. What time do they start work if they leave at 10 (ie what's the earliest I can hit the bars and have some quality girls around)?

Post-covid, almost every girl asks for p5000 tip up front,

This goes against everything I've learned the past 30 years!

[TjBrazil]

Those numbers are correct. The BF at Maison has been p3900 since it opened a year ago, and almost all girls on Burgos ask for p5000 for their tip in the morning. Pre-covid, prices were pretty much the same at all Burgos bars (3500 or 3900), and girls asking tip prices were 4000 on the low end fuglies, and 6000 for hotties. About 80% of girls were asking (pre-covid) on their high end and willing to drop p1 k down on her asked tip amount if you mention it or ask for it. All tip prices are pre-negotiated prior to leaving the bar (no Burgos gogo girl will agree to a barfine without pre-negotiating her tip amount first).

Post-covid, almost every girl asks for p5000 tip up front, and few are willing to negotiate down (as they would pre-covid). There seems to be a management commanded amount of 5000 asked by every girl, including the fuglies that O'Reillys (myself and Muttley reported on back on page 2). Also including Oculto. The mama said to me: "All girls get tip 5000". In the past few months, over 2 one-week trips to Burgos, girls in Nautica, V-8, Coco Rock, Dimples, Plan B, Maison, and Lips (upstairs, 2 hotties and 1 so-so gal on 3 different nights) all said the same magic words: "Five thousand tip". Girls get 1 k from the p3500 or 3900 barfine + p5 k tip, for 6000 (fugly, spinner, or hottie). Its good money for LT / 2-pop, so if you are in the mood to barfine, choose a hottie to buy a drink with, as you will no longer be saving 1 k by choosing a chub-ette.

I also concur with GE's assessment of the girls: There is something there for everyone. Shift change is 10 pm, and all departing girls are required to do several choreographed dances at shift-change before going home. Its odd, but its fun to watch 50 girls all shake-that / shake-that / shake-that ass at the same time.

The result of this is a p9-10 k evening (3900 barfine, 5000 tip, + LD's). This is almost the exact same amount from pre-covid and for the last decade.

I can't believe all the girls on Burgos street ask for 5 k tip to go plus bar fine. I went into every bar on Burgos street and found 2 that were attractive. THATS EVERY BAR. I wouldn't give 4 k plus 5 k tip, if my life depended on it, to 99% of the girls I saw. Most of those girls were 40 dollar chicks to me. The only reason I took the girl out of plan be and paid 9 k was so I can say I slept with a Filipina. She was attractive but not a lot of curves. Another reason to avoid Manila is the price. Makati isn't worth 10 k, ac is cheap but the girls there aren't worth 5 k. The whole mongering lifestythere is a shit show. Every girl should be 50 bucks IMHO.

[GoodEnough]

Those numbers are correct. Shift change is 10 pm

Given that some cute girls will get off at 10 o'clock, perhaps it would be possible to go there prior to 10, and make a separate deal with the girl to meet you at your hotel once she gets off work, maybe not for Php3,000 as the one girl there offered my friend and me, but for 4 or 5 K. It would represent a substantial savings.

GE.

[WestCoast1]

Out of pure curiosity I asked the mamasan about bar fines and girls' financial expectations. She told me that the bar fine is Php3,900 and that the additional charges were up to the girls, but that most expected Php5,000, which for me, who has lived in the country for two decades, seemed absurd. However, I've no idea if the mamasan was telling the truth or making it up as she went along.

Those numbers are correct. The BF at Maison has been p3900 since it opened a year ago, and almost all girls on Burgos ask for p5000 for their tip in the morning. Pre-covid, prices were pretty much the same at all Burgos bars (3500 or 3900), and girls asking tip prices were 4000 on the low end fuglies, and 6000 for hotties. About 80% of girls were asking (pre-covid) on their high end and willing to drop p1 k down on her asked tip amount if you mention it or ask for it. All tip prices are pre-negotiated prior to leaving the bar (no Burgos gogo girl will agree to a barfine without pre-negotiating her tip amount first).

Post-covid, almost every girl asks for p5000 tip up front, and few are willing to negotiate down (as they would pre-covid). There seems to be a management commanded amount of 5000 asked by every girl, including the fuglies that O'Reillys (myself and Muttley reported on back on page 2). Also including Oculto. The mama said to me: "All girls get tip 5000". In the past few months, over 2 one-week trips to Burgos, girls in Nautica, V-8, Coco Rock, Dimples, Plan B, Maison, and Lips (upstairs, 2 hotties and 1 so-so gal on 3 different nights) all said the same magic words: "Five thousand tip". Girls get 1 k from the p3500 or 3900 barfine + p5 k tip, for 6000 (fugly, spinner, or hottie). Its good money for LT / 2-pop, so if you are in the mood to barfine, choose a hottie to buy a drink with, as you will no longer be saving 1 k by choosing a chub-ette.

I also concur with GE's assessment of the girls: There is something there for everyone. Shift change is 10 pm, and all departing girls are required to do several choreographed dances at shift-change before going home. Its odd, but its fun to watch 50 girls all shake-that / shake-that / shake-that ass at the same time.

The result of this is a p9-10 k evening (3900 barfine, 5000 tip, + LD's). This is almost the exact same amount from pre-covid and for the last decade.

[GoodEnough]

A friend and I were on Burgos St. Last night; the first such sojourn for me in maybe 3 years. Given all that's been written here, I wanted to see Maison, more simply to understand some of the hype. I am a (much) older guy and during the last night of what had been a five day reunion with my friend from the US, I had no interest other than satisfying my curiosity. We went early, about 8 o'clock and while, in my judgment, most of the ladies were uninteresting there were a couple of standouts. Our age didn't seem to be a factor as we attracted interest immediately with 5-6 girls dropping by where we were seated. I noticed that the guy at an adjacent table—who appeared to be at least my age—was getting a handjob having bought a single ladies drink.

We had one persistent woman to told us both that her shift was over at 10 PM and she'the be willing to come and spend the night for Php3,000, or about $56. She didn't appeal to either of us, but she was not wholly unattractive. I've since left Manila, but I did suggest to my friend that he revisit the bar at the same time this evening or tomorrow to see if either of the two very attractive women were working a similar shift and might be open to the same deal.

Out of pure curiosity I asked the mamasan about bar fines and girls' financial expectations. She told me that the bar fine is Php3,900 and that the additional charges were up to the girls, but that most expected Php5,000, which for me, who has lived in the country for two decades, seemed absurd. However, I've no idea if the mamasan was telling the truth or making it up as she went along.

Though the music was deafening and, to my ear, didn't actually qualify as music, I did appreciate the lack of hassle and hustle. No one begged for ladies drinks. The girls largely came over when asked aside from the aforementioned five or six who didn't wait for an invitation.

Having come off of two nights in Subic and another two in Angeles, I was not at all tempted, and perhaps would have been incapable. That said there were a couple of extremely pretty young women whom, in years gone by, I would have grabbed quickly.

GE.

[D Bronze]

I tried it (nuru) I just was to curious and the girl looked really really nice haha. There was good reports about this agency so I figured what the hell. But yes, highly do NOT recommend assuming all the outcall massage services will be working a similar angle.

Basically, let's face it you order a "massage" but it is implied there will be other services yes? I never expected those extra's to be free, if you thought massage was only a reference and everything else was included that would be even more of a disappointment. But even when you expect having to pay for extra it'll be big downer. Let's start with, the girl brought in total 1 tiny handbag that had a tiny bottle of oil inside and a rubber lolz. So when she came through the door I realized Nuru was definitely out of the question. Later it became apparent that she doesn't even intend to do a regular massage, so if you're expecting that forget it. They basically come for the extra service LOL. Oh right and about that, well I guess the agency you use differs in price, this one was asking for 5 k HJ, 10 k BJ or 20 k all the way. And hold on, for that last option, DATY or DFK or even normal kissing for that matter were not an option. Hahahaha. Obviously passed. She tried to fill the time somewhat but yea no I lost on this one lolz. Skip it for real.

Thanks for the additional details. That is definitely helpful, and very much similar to the independent scam I experienced last time. No place like Bangkok, I guess.

I may sit this round out then, unless I'm really lucky.

[SlickLicker]

Any particular reason not to use nuru or discreet? Their rates seem reasonable based on Smooci? Also, messaging seems very responsive and professional.

I think I saw posted that they provide a covering for the bedding.

Last time I had some independent, it was a scam, so I'm a little weary.

I tried it (nuru) I just was to curious and the girl looked really really nice haha. There was good reports about this agency so I figured what the hell. But yes, highly do NOT recommend assuming all the outcall massage services will be working a similar angle.

Basically, let's face it you order a "massage" but it is implied there will be other services yes? I never expected those extra's to be free, if you thought massage was only a reference and everything else was included that would be even more of a disappointment. But even when you expect having to pay for extra it'll be big downer. Let's start with, the girl brought in total 1 tiny handbag that had a tiny bottle of oil inside and a rubber lolz. So when she came through the door I realized Nuru was definitely out of the question. Later it became apparent that she doesn't even intend to do a regular massage, so if you're expecting that forget it. They basically come for the extra service LOL. Oh right and about that, well I guess the agency you use differs in price, this one was asking for 5 k HJ, 10 k BJ or 20 k all the way. And hold on, for that last option, DATY or DFK or even normal kissing for that matter were not an option. Hahahaha. Obviously passed. She tried to fill the time somewhat but yea no I lost on this one lolz. Skip it for real.

[Argo1990]

Wow, first time in PH and Asia in general and these prices are nuts. Guys paying 150 - 200 for just ST and stuff. I just left Latin America and you can get better deals or similar pricing in America's backyard. Imagine coming all the way to Asia, South East Asia and paying 200 for box on a girl that isn't even all that. What in the world is going on out here?

I damn sure missed on the golden era. 50-100 more and you have Europe prices. And if you include FKKs in Germany and stuff you actually pay less. Had a girl quote me 400 USD from Tinder. This is crazy. Glad I'm young and don't have to rely on tricking. But damn was at least hoping to have it as a option. No way I'm paying these. Idk if its the Korean tricks or what.

No way Jose. ID rather fap before paying all that here in PH. You can go to Brazil and get a actual pornstar looking woman for around that rate in the Rio clubs.

Madness.

I agree 100% with this statement. It is astonishing to me how a country with less PPP (purchasing power parity per GDP as a general indicator of the wealth across the country) that is almost half of Thailand is asking ridiculous prices like 10 k php for a longtime. I would hope and assume that these prices are on the far high end of the spectrum for model / Instagram influencer type of girls but someone suggested to look on Smooci further down here so I just checked and going rate for ST (2 hours) is starting at around 7 k for average girls.

That is ridiculously expensive for someone coming from Europe. Am I missing something here?

[D Bronze]

Hmm. I was considering it to, the massage part whether it be nuru or not. But let's go with "Nuru" for the sake of it. Usually when I do this there are massage parlors and they have beds with a plastic cover or blow up mattresses in a shower area etc. I do wonder, how does this work in your own hotle room. Doesn't things get super messy. Sure you can always ask for new sheets or w / e but still. What's the idea on how to prevent a complete mess on your bed LOL.

Any particular reason not to use nuru or discreet? Their rates seem reasonable based on Smooci? Also, messaging seems very responsive and professional.

I think I saw posted that they provide a covering for the bedding.

Last time I had some independent, it was a scam, so I'm a little weary.

[Argo1990]

In terms of a report, had a great time with my regular as usual, she is expensive (if no barfine, 8,000 PHP) but worth it IMHO. Fantastic ass and cute face, though she just got braces (why do they seem to always feel the need for that even when unnecessary? Methinks there might be a scam going on for the girls working at the bars.) Anyway I digress, best tip I can offer is that she introduced me to the best short time hotel I have come across, not the main Sogo but an annex next to it which seems to be operated by the same people but is essentially a residence, with much nicer rooms and better "amenities" (I. E. Towels, soap etc.) It's literally next door and a much better option if you don't mind paying 2,000 PHP for a full night stay.

Anyway, just a friendly note to all that some places will likely be closing earlier or not that friendly to guests over the next 3-4 days, but you'll still find options.

American? I know plenty of people that pay 3000 for their own hotel per night max.

[D Bronze]

Don't use nuru or discreet massage. They are a ripoff. Manila Courtesans is ok but not always available. Also I have noticed some girls wipe out flaws and blemishes. Better to use Smooci Manila.

Can you share a little more on why nuru or discrete might be ripoffs? Is it what you get vs. The rate? Seems like smooci is very similar if not higher.

I've been chatting with both, and they seem fairly responsive and professional.

Per the other post about nuru, it did mention they provide something to cover the bed.

[Shining Wit]

Haven't been to Manila since pandemic, and generally fly into Manila and spend a couple of days in Makati before flying else where around Philippines. I am going there in February, and actually will be spending 7 days in Makati this time. As much as Manila is a mongering town, I was wondering what else there is to do there besides walk around GB an BGC? Any recommendations on where to go and what to do? Maybe grab somewhere close by, but just dreading the traffic going anywhere.

From way out in left field, or possibly left court, could going to watch basketball or volleyball appeal? Men's pro bball and women's volleyball, plus college competitions for both as well, gets you somewhere different, plus you never know what might come of it. PM if you think it might be worthwhile.

[WestCoast1]

Wow, vax cards a still a thing in PI? Good to know. Thanks!

Usually not. However, staying at Sunette Tower last month, the vax card was required for my girls. OTOH it was not asked for at Fersal Neptune hotel just 2 blocks away. There is no consistency in Phils. Even if its required by admin at your hotel / residence, the particular guard on duty may or may not be aware of that. They day shift guard might insist on it, while the evening shift guard might not be aware of it. In addition, a picture of your (or her) vax card on your phone might be good enough. Once again:

Call your residence Admin in advance, or ask after you check in, on their current policy. Don't believe stuff you read on the Internet (including here), as things change constantly.

The worse thing that can happen is that you might need to get a ST hotel.

[MyHandle88]

I should have been more clear. I am not sure if Gramercy requires a vax card. Many buildings in the area require one. But that might change at any given time. You can always call the Gram concierge or Admin and ask. Never hurts to have the girl bring her card 'just-in-case'.

Wow, vax cards a still a thing in PI? Good to know. Thanks!