Makati

[Mr Enternational]

Question. Is there a forum for providers (in a parallel universe) where she posts about our encounter, and she receives the same advice?

That is like asking do resturants have reverse yelps where they can go and rate the customers. When she describes ShinyCrazy on the site is she talking about the one from Australia or Canada? The one with the beard or the one with red hair? The one that does not drink or the one who is married and likes 3somes with his wife? There are 8 million ShinyCrazys moving about this planet. Pretty easy for us because most of these chicks are static, so it is easy to talk about Mary Jane Rottencrotch with the A cups that works at Kojax. But mongers are in and out of bars by the ton day in and day out, just like customers are in and out of McDonald's.

Why is it always the customers fault when the provider doesn't bother to find out the customers expectations? She asked me nothing and mentioned no limitations other than time.

By the way, I do partially subscribe to the "leave it a mystery" club. If everything is completely spelled out in excruciating detail, the magic is lost.

Because the saying goes "BUYER beware". There are tons of sellers around the world knowingly and unknowingly selling lemons and bullshit. Before agreeing to fork over your money, YOU better be sure of what you will get for it. They already agreed to the money they would accept, so as long as it is not counterfeit what would the seller care? For them, the less questions you ask the better, so they can always say they would have never agreed to that or as they do in some places tell you it will cost more for that.

[ShinyCrazy]

Why is it the customers fault?, because you as the purchaser are responsible for your own safety, hence expressions like buyer beware or caveat emptor and is a applied legal principle going back hundreds of years in the English legal system. If you choose not to look after your own interest choosing to "leave it a mystery" then you should expect more disappointment in the future as this hobby will only get more competitive. You are going to working girls where they have SEX with you for money, you are expecting the magic of what, LOVE?

That seems pretty cynical to me.

I realize that I am paying for an illusion, just like seeing a movie. Since I am not a robot, I can feel real human emotions while watching pictures on a screen.

If a working girl is a good actor, I will feel a human connection to her. If not, I am better off financially by buying a rubber sex doll.

If I am especially lucky, it is more than acting or illusion. It isn't "love", but there is the tiny spark of a real human connection, like a first date. I've experienced that much more when mongering in South America and Spain than in non-Spanish Europe and Asia. When it happens, it is magic and I make plans to repeat with that provider.

BTW, I think that DATY divides mongers into two categories. I am the kind of guy who always wants / needs DATY. It isn't because it makes me feel good, it is because I want the girl to feel good. It shows her that I recognize that she is a real human being. Likewise, I've noticed that girls who refuse DATY are the coldest and most emotionally distant providers.

If I were the kind of guy who only wanted to pump and dump, I wouldn't care about that human connection. It would be strictly a commercial event for me.

[ShinyCrazy]

Opportunity came knocking and she only wanted to open the door halfway.

Amen, brother. Makes my head explode. If I were in her shoes, I'the be scrambling for every peso.

[Mr Enternational]

After the first round, she showered and put her dress back on. I am thinking WTF. We have another hour and a half! She wouldn't budge. I told her that I would only pay half, and she was fine with that.

I do not understand. She could double her money for the night by working for another hour and a half (or maybe only 15 minutes), but she would rather leave?

If anything, that should give you an idea of what 1750 pesos is really worth around there, since she opted not to stick around to double it. And everyone wa nts to say how poor and in need these chicks are. I for one do not feel sorry for them. Opportunity came knocking and she only wanted to open the door halfway.

Recently I knew about a great job opportunity in Manila and I sent it to several chicks that I know, including my ex-girlfriend that works massage in Angeles. She made up every excuse why she could not do it, then concluded that it would be better for me to marry her then she could get a job in the States. That will be a cold day in hell. The lord helps those that help themselves, and a lot of mfs are not trying to help themselves.

[MutantChicken]

Question. Is there a forum for providers (in a parallel universe) where she posts about our encounter, and she receives the same advice?

Why is it always the customers fault when the provider doesn't bother to find out the customers expectations? She asked me nothing and mentioned no limitations other than time.

By the way, I do partially subscribe to the "leave it a mystery" club. If everything is completely spelled out in excruciating detail, the magic is lost.

Why is it the customers fault?, because you as the purchaser are responsible for your own safety, hence expressions like buyer beware or caveat emptor and is a applied legal principle going back hundreds of years in the English legal system. If you choose not to look after your own interest choosing to "leave it a mystery" then you should expect more disappointment in the future as this hobby will only get more competitive. You are going to working girls where they have SEX with you for money, you are expecting the magic of what, LOVE?

[ShinyCrazy]

Question. If she had given 1 pop, then stayed for the full 3 hours and refused a second pop, you would be OK to that, as that would have fulfilled her 3 hour obligation? Alternately, if she had stayed for 3 hours and given no pops, would that have fulfilled her obligation? My point is: Did you discuss with her you expectations in advance? Full discussion in advance takes 30 seconds, then you don't need a lawyer. "Ya 3 hours if it includes completely naked, no condom, mouth, pussy, camera, all the pops I want". Gosh, 10 seconds. You gents should not leave anything to chance if its important to you. OTOH I know gents who will not do this kind of thing, as they want to see just how it will unfold, what she will and will not do.

Question. Is there a forum for providers (in a parallel universe) where she posts about our encounter, and she receives the same advice?

Why is it always the customers fault when the provider doesn't bother to find out the customers expectations? She asked me nothing and mentioned no limitations other than time.

By the way, I do partially subscribe to the "leave it a mystery" club. If everything is completely spelled out in excruciating detail, the magic is lost.

[Issaquah]

But we never discussed "short time" or "long time". She just walked up to me and offered 3 hours in my hotel room. I know the lingo of ST=1 pop in SE Asia, but we never discussed short time versus long time. These girls should be lawyers. You need a pre-nup just for sex.

With Burgos Street Bars in most cases if you are paying her 3,500 it's assumed to be ST and one pop unless you negotiate with her for LT. Usually they will ask more $$$ for LT or they may not be available for LT (getting back to kids, etc). It's just really important to have a clear agreement of expectations including full amount, time, pops, and menu items before you pay their BF. Some Burgos Bar girls you can get LT for 3,500 but that almost always requires negotiating before leaving the bar.

[WestCoast1]

But we never discussed "short time" or "long time". She just walked up to me and offered 3 hours in my hotel room. I know the lingo of ST=1 pop in SE Asia, but we never discussed short time versus long time. These girls should be lawyers. You need a pre-nup just for sex.

Question. If she had given 1 pop, then stayed for the full 3 hours and refused a second pop, you would be OK to that, as that would have fulfilled her 3 hour obligation? Alternately, if she had stayed for 3 hours and given no pops, would that have fulfilled her obligation? My point is: Did you discuss with her you expectations in advance? Full discussion in advance takes 30 seconds, then you don't need a lawyer. "Ya 3 hours if it includes completely naked, no condom, mouth, pussy, camera, all the pops I want". Gosh, 10 seconds. You gents should not leave anything to chance if its important to you. OTOH I know gents who will not do this kind of thing, as they want to see just how it will unfold, what she will and will not do.

[ShinyCrazy]

Volcanic ash falling around Manila. Everyone is told to stay inside to avoid breathing the fumes. Can't make it to Burgos, so time to try Smooci.

Booked "Yuri" for 2 hours (and specifically 2 pops). She subsequently contacts me via WhatsApp to tell me she's going to cancel our Smooci booking, but she wants to continue the booking via WhatsApp. Sounds sketchy to me, like she's trying to cheat Smooci out of their cut, but I don't know their business model. She also asked for an additional 700 pesos for transportation costs, which I very reluctantly agreed to.

She shows up fairly promptly, brushes teeth and takes a below the waist shower. Her face is about a 6 (it was covered up in her Smooci pics). She is quiet and friendly and slightly shy. She removes her towel and has a raised red scar from a see-section and red scars below each breast, although her breasts were modest and didn't seem silicone. Not sure what the breast scars were about.

Anyhow, she's a great kisser and very enthusiastic. After some prolonged DATY during which she came twice, I finish in missionary at about the 1 hour mark. At this point, she rinses off and puts her clothes on and asks if she can leave (because her babysitter texted her that her child has a fever and needs medicine, which was obviously a crock of nonsense). Here we go again! Flake out yet again. I'm starting to wonder if any Pina girl in history has ever provided a second pop.

I told her that I would only pay half and she wasn't going to accept that. She says she needs the money. She tells me that her one hour fee for Smooci is 6500 (rather than the 7500 for two hour /2 pops) and she'll give me 1000 back, and I wasn't going to accept that. I told her I would never have booked her for one hour, since the per pop rate was insane. She got grumpy and sullen, but agreed to stay for the second round. Given the fact that this wasn't going to be as mutually pleasant as the first pop, I opted for BBBJ / CIM with simultaneous prostate massage. Figured that I'the get my money's worth.

Once again, these Pina girls are much flakier than any other girls I can think of. Thai girls can be flaky, but this is something else altogether. So far, in my limited experience, Pinas don't want to stick to the original agreement and are willing to turn a very pleasant experience into a grumpy one rather than finish the job, yet they need the money.

Given the value for money, I would opt for Burgos over Smooci at this point.

[ShinyCrazy]

ST = 1 Pop or your 2-3 hours whichever comes first unless you have pre-negotiated for more than one pop.

But we never discussed "short time" or "long time". She just walked up to me and offered 3 hours in my hotel room. I know the lingo of ST=1 pop in SE Asia, but we never discussed short time versus long time. These girls should be lawyers. You need a pre-nup just for sex.

[GDreams]

Still need some ideas for tomorrow during the day. Tried to do some tourism by visiting the Ayala Museum, but it was closed for renovations. Maybe Abacca tomorrow?

Go Volcano watching at Taal volcano.

[Issaquah]

After the first round, she showered and put her dress back on. I am thinking WTF. We have another hour and a half! She wouldn't budge. I told her that I would only pay half, and she was fine with that. Again, I am thinking, WTF! She said her pussy was tired and she had a 3 hour trip back to her home in Quezon City (3 hours? I asked if she was planning to walk!

I do not understand. She could double her money for the night by working for another hour and a half (or maybe only 15 minutes), but she would rather leave? She seriously seemed like she was having a great time with me, then she suddenly flakes out. Bizarre. I guess I should have specified how many pops, but when she offered 3 hours, and most guys pop in 15 minutes, I didn't think she would be planning to leave after one pop.

ST = 1 Pop or your 2-3 hours whichever comes first unless you have pre-negotiated for more than one pop.

[ShinyCrazy]

Walked up and down Burgos around 7 pm on a Sunday. The gogos weren't open yet, so I grabbed a quick bite and did some people watching at "Cheers" bar. When 8 pm rolled around, I went to XOXO (the smaller gogo below Kojax). Kojax was closed, presumably due to light attendance on a Sunday. As I understand it, XOXO has the same girls. Only 6 girls on stage. Bodies were 7-8/10, faces more like 6/10. Saw one that was a possibility, but decided to do more window shopping since it was early. Went around the corner and down Burgos to Plan be. Around 10 girls on stage and two approached me almost immediately. I bought one a lady drink and she was friendly and chatty. Name was "Kia". We played connect 4 a few times, and she sat on my lap. She offered 3500 for 3 hours at my hotel. This did not include the bar fine of 3500. Contrary to previous reports, the lady drinks did not count towards the bar fine. I asked the waitress about this ahead of time and she said "yes", however when I got the bill, the LDs were charged separately. I argued this politely at length with the mamasan, to no avail. Total was 3500+3500+600 (2 LD)+ 200 (one beer for me).

When we got back to my room, we took showers and had a great hour and half together with DFK, DATY, BBBJ, and enthusiastic covered main course. She has A cups and is trimmed but not shaved on the pubis, shaved on the pussy itself. Slim, nice firm ass. No obvious tattoos. Nice smile and very personable.

After the first round, she showered and put her dress back on. I am thinking WTF. We have another hour and a half! She wouldn't budge. I told her that I would only pay half, and she was fine with that. Again, I am thinking, WTF! She said her pussy was tired and she had a 3 hour trip back to her home in Quezon City (3 hours? I asked if she was planning to walk!

I do not understand. She could double her money for the night by working for another hour and a half (or maybe only 15 minutes), but she would rather leave? She seriously seemed like she was having a great time with me, then she suddenly flakes out. Bizarre. I guess I should have specified how many pops, but when she offered 3 hours, and most guys pop in 15 minutes, I didn't think she would be planning to leave after one pop.

Too jet lagged to try Burgos again the same night, so guess I'll just go back tomorrow night. The experience was quite good, just wish it had lasted for the planned 3 hours.

Still need some ideas for tomorrow during the day. Tried to do some tourism by visiting the Ayala Museum, but it was closed for renovations. Maybe Abacca tomorrow?

[El Ted]

Any suggestions for daytime action in Makati? I thought I had done my research and settled on using the "spas" listed on the Manila Tonight website, especially Roadstar and Stargate, but after a depressing experience at Roadstar, I think I may be headed toward using Smooci or take a cab over to Flight 168 during the day. Not sure what time Flight 168 opens, though. Thought this would be easy. Hoping Burgos is successful tonight.

You could try Abacca Spa. They are open 24 x7 (I think) and offer a pretty good massage + he. No BJ or sex though. Clean rooms and decent looking ladies when I was there a couple of years ago. They have one in Makati (Antipolo) and one in Malate.

[Blanquiceleste]

1. BKK. 2. Jakarta. 3. MNL. 4. Pattaya. 5. Macau. 6 Singapore.

Fantastic analysis and ranking. I might put Jakarta ahead of BKK if not for the horrendous infrastructure. Jakarta is mind-boggling in terms of both quantity and quality. I personally think Pattaya has just fallen off the cliff, as more and more reports I hear are about how bad the service is and how much more expensive it has become for little or no change in the offering. Macau is a treat in every sense, and Singapore. Well, what can I say?!

So KL is you idea of a great girly destination? Amazing! I don't even consider KL a primary mongering destination.

SNIP

The nicest thing I can say about BC FL's is they are a lot better looking and less expensive too than Wanchai FL bar girls in Hong Kong. Currently HKG is the worst mongering city in SE Asia! And that was before the current problems began.

Hahahaha!! This has got to be the comparison of this year, even if its just 2 weeks of 2020 gone. I travel to both cities for work and thankfully I have my personal contacts to keep me company. The last I went to BC in KL was around 2014. Swore never to go back, and I have not. Similarly I wrote off Wanchai in 2010.

I should also mention that I like Phnom Penh and Yangon. I would probably rate Phnom ahead of Singapore because Khmer girls are very unique and some of them are very pretty. Burmese girls are very nice as well.

A nice way to round off the region. I have never been to Yangon, so that is a to-do item for 2020. As for PP, I can't agree more with you. Each time I have gone there, the place has continued to surprise me with the quality of girls I find there. And the food is great. Not much to do during the day, unless you are into art, culture, religion and history. And it is still cheap as chips.