Makati

[MadisonGuy]

You say you are handsome and young but feel the need to lie?

Ill give you some advice simply tell the girls what you WANT and you'll get it.

If you say I want a girl who will lick my asshole and 'insert disgusting act here' then leaves without saying a word the cash in on the dresser. You'll get it.

If you tell them you want a wife to bleed you dry. You'll get it.

If you ask to bang all of the girls cousins and sisters. You'll get it.

You are in the Philippians no GAME needs to be played for that kind of action. If you find yourself in a province and don't want to get kidnapped that is when you should be lying your ass off but in the city absolutely no reason to lie to a hooker. Unless you get some weird joy out of totally confusing the shit out of them.

You're wise beyond your years. I monger all over, I'm very happy with the way I do things and won't really be looking to get advice from someone who is obviously banging the dried out old bar girls. Good luck I'm not concerned with what you do, so you can choose to read what I write or just move on. I'm not looking for a rebuttal.

[Member #4794]

I do lay on the ready for marriage and kids part pretty hard if I like one.

You say you are handsome and young but feel the need to lie?

Ill give you some advice simply tell the girls what you WANT and you'll get it.

If you say I want a girl who will lick my asshole and 'insert disgusting act here' then leaves without saying a word the cash in on the dresser. You'll get it.

If you tell them you want a wife to bleed you dry. You'll get it.

If you ask to bang all of the girls cousins and sisters. You'll get it.

You are in the Philippines no GAME needs to be played for that kind of action. If you find yourself in a province and don't want to get kidnapped that is when you should be lying your ass off but in the city absolutely no reason to lie to a hooker. Unless you get some weird joy out of totally confusing the shit out of them.

They are humans too, they have almost nothing to live for no future no hope no job other than banging foreigners for money they often times have no education to fall back on. I've had long chats with these girls before and after they work in bars or freelance. The one thing these girls have in common is that they all say that want to do a good job and do what the customer likes. They are interested in making you happy, period. So playing some game with these very underprivileged women kind of does them a disservice you don't only lie to them and give them some false hope you also deny them of their job satisfaction. Philipinas don't like to be tricked. Conversely you will often times even find positive Facebook messages conveying gratitude for kindness and support and fondness to johns that are honest and straight forward. You are not in Latin america you are the Philippines and particularly asia you can have your cake and eat it to since you love platitudes.

[Member #4794]

Don't hate the player hate the game. And considering I'm married and have kids, me laying it on that I want that is totally the truth. I never tell a lie. Not sure it matters even bar girls get attached with blonde hair green eyes and one of the younger mongers they really give me the Justin Bieber chase. I don't bring bar girls to my hotel though.

Throwing money at them and a 5* hotel is hardly GAME your entertaining dried up old hookers that have graduated from AC or the Barangay. You have barely scratched the surface of the game if you don't know where the 24/7 action in AC is or was you have a lot to learn. Throwing around some old platitudes just shows your lack of depth in knowledge of the scene. You are rather being played by the GAME not a purveyor, you get that right? You are the person the game is being played on if that was your point then I guess point taken at least you are able to identity that you are being played.

The girls in those upscale hotels are the future version of the girls that any experienced monger bangs. An experienced monger finds girls in the in their villages and years later in these more upscale establishments that same girl old haggard and battered by time and self pity will saunter by asking for 10 k instead of the 1 k she used to ask for when she first started. Is that what you mean by game old used run down hookers for 10 x the price? Smh.

[MadisonGuy]

I am trying to understand this. You lay on "ready for marriage and children" pretty hard and can figure out why you can't kick them out in the morning? Not only are you an a hole but stupid too!

Don't hate the player hate the game. And considering I'm married and have kids, me laying it on that I want that is totally the truth. I never tell a lie. Not sure it matters even bar girls get attached with blonde hair green eyes and one of the younger mongers they really give me the Justin Bieber chase. I don't bring bar girls to my hotel though.

[Dg8787]

I've never noticed that, although I do lay on the ready for marriage and kids part pretty hard if I like one. The hardest part in Philippines is always kicking them out in the morning. Now I start off by talking about having to do something like work the next day to prep my departure. But for lower end somewhat decent of a hotel Berjaya in Makati isn't bad. I just like more plush lobby, but great location and I think it was under $100/ Day. New World is one of my favorites in Makati because of the club in the basement. Although I'm told Makati has become a pretty big working girl mongering area now and I need to go to BCG or something for the upper class people to try to bang an actress or model. I guess we will see on this next trip if it truly has changed.

I am trying to understand this. You lay on "ready for marriage and children" pretty hard and can figure out why you can't kick them out in the morning? Not only are you an a hole but stupid too!

[MadisonGuy]

The answer is YES with an exception about the no drama part, as that can go either way. Way back aways I was on a similar quest to find and have a lot of top shelf, and was very successful, pm me. Some insight about Shangrila and the like; back aways when I was working I use to enjoy staying at the Shangrila Makati as I enjoyed the amenities and location and the attention I got, but what I found is that there always was a disconnect between the girls if they thought I had a lot of money, and staying at the Shangrila did do that. It seemed like there was no way to make that connection I wanted, as it appeared that if you had a lot of money you weren't attainable or out of reach, so they never tried, or worse you get the fake stuff, then everything is just about money. I can't say that is a totally bad thing, as sometimes time just gets in the way and it is all about money. Its just something I have noticed but I love that business floor with the bar / lounge just a few steps away, probably spent more time there than I did in my room, and you can bring all your lady friends there.

I've never noticed that, although I do lay on the ready for marriage and kids part pretty hard if I like one. The hardest part in Philippines is always kicking them out in the morning. Now I start off by talking about having to do something like work the next day to prep my departure. But for lower end somewhat decent of a hotel Berjaya in Makati isn't bad. I just like more plush lobby, but great location and I think it was under $100/ Day. New World is one of my favorites in Makati because of the club in the basement. Although I'm told Makati has become a pretty big working girl mongering area now and I need to go to BCG or something for the upper class people to try to bang an actress or model. I guess we will see on this next trip if it truly has changed.

[Transporter]

What would you recommend be best for highest quality girls to go out on a date and have a couple hours of fun in the hotel? I am new to the forum and have done quite a few pages of RTFF. Here is what I think is my best bets:

1. On Burgos: Plan be, Bottoms and Kojax seem to be the top bars with best girls.

2. Online dating sites like PL etc. This is not my thing as I neither have the time or the inclination to go find and wait for someone.

Are there any other avenues to get high quality, no drama girls to go out on dinners / club / dancing / drinking and action later? Last time I was in Manila, someone took me to a KTV (I think classmate) and there were bunch of good looking girls that we paid the Bar fine to take out. I don't remember how much we paid for it but IIRC it was around $200 to $250 (USD) and I was able to charge it to my credit card. I don't see too many reviews of any KTV's during the RTFF and hence my question. Are they not valid options or are they too expensive?

Also, looking at the hotels: I normally stay at the Shangri-La Makati or Fairmont Makati (both close to my work) and just take the hotel cars to these places. Are there any other places you would recommend to rent the cars (with drivers) from? Again, looking for the most convenient option not necessarily the cheapest one.

Thanks in advance for your advise. I will be sure to post some reports next week after my trip.

The answer is YES with an exception about the no drama part, as that can go either way. Way back aways I was on a similar quest to find and have a lot of top shelf, and was very successful, pm me. Some insight about Shangrila and the like; back aways when I was working I use to enjoy staying at the Shangrila Makati as I enjoyed the amenities and location and the attention I got, but what I found is that there always was a disconnect between the girls if they thought I had a lot of money, and staying at the Shangrila did do that. It seemed like there was no way to make that connection I wanted, as it appeared that if you had a lot of money you weren't attainable or out of reach, so they never tried, or worse you get the fake stuff, then everything is just about money. I can't say that is a totally bad thing, as sometimes time just gets in the way and it is all about money. Its just something I have noticed but I love that business floor with the bar / lounge just a few steps away, probably spent more time there than I did in my room, and you can bring all your lady friends there.

[GDreams]

What would you recommend be best for highest quality girls to go out on a date and have a couple hours of fun in the hotel? I am new to the forum and have done quite a few pages of RTFF. Here is what I think is my best bets:

1. On Burgos: Plan be, Bottoms and Kojax seem to be the top bars with best girls.

2. Online dating sites like PL etc. This is not my thing as I neither have the time or the inclination to go find and wait for someone.


Thanks in advance for your advise. I will be sure to post some reports next week after my trip.

Many of the girls on PL will ask for money. Usually 3 - 6000 pesos. Wechat is OK for late evening contacts and they are 85% just looking for money but there are a few LBs so remember to ask. There are a lot of options on tinder as well. I have never been to a club and have no problems picking up attractive 18 - 23 yo girls on these sites.

Grab is popular for transport, personally I prefer they come to me as the traffic in Manila is a big time consumer.

[BoyzRule]

What would you recommend be best for highest quality girls to go out on a date and have a couple hours of fun in the hotel? I am new to the forum and have done quite a few pages of RTFF. Here is what I think is my best bets:

1. On Burgos: Plan be, Bottoms and Kojax seem to be the top bars with best girls.

2. Online dating sites like PL etc. This is not my thing as I neither have the time or the inclination to go find and wait for someone.

Are there any other avenues to get high quality, no drama girls to go out on dinners / club / dancing / drinking and action later? Last time I was in Manila, someone took me to a KTV (I think classmate) and there were bunch of good looking girls that we paid the Bar fine to take out. I don't remember how much we paid for it but IIRC it was around $200 to $250 (USD) and I was able to charge it to my credit card. I don't see too many reviews of any KTV's during the RTFF and hence my question. Are they not valid options or are they too expensive?

Also, looking at the hotels: I normally stay at the Shangri-La Makati or Fairmont Makati (both close to my work) and just take the hotel cars to these places. Are there any other places you would recommend to rent the cars (with drivers) from? Again, looking for the most convenient option not necessarily the cheapest one.

Thanks in advance for your advise. I will be sure to post some reports next week after my trip.

[Engine Driver]

I believe the reason is two fold. One is that there are more idiots in Manila who hopelessly overpay. Many come to Manila primarily for work and then partake in the evenings. Guys usually go to AC for shagging only. So, the average bucks in the pockets of punters in Manila is deeper than in AC IMHO. Also the clientele is different. Middle Easterners are hardly ever seen around AC but love to hang out in Manila. On the Caucasian side you see Corporate managers in Manila and almost bankrupt "expats" in AC. The only reason prices are actually that high in AC (relative to avg salary and living expenses there) is due to all the Asian wannabees, kids of well off Asian families who get their feet wet in AC.

The second reason, and others may disagree, is that competition is much higher in AC than Manila. In AC all the action is concentrated around Fields Ave and then you have tons of freelancers in high society, while in Manila everything is spread out, even on Burgos St you can count the bars on two hands. Potentially the fact that more bars in Burgos are under one and the same name also limits competition.

Nice reply Franco. It's important to understand the basic business model of the bars in Burgos Street. Their main income is not from drink sales or from prostitution. They are mainly fronts for laundering money with the cooperation of government officials. Therefore, they don't really care if the girls are barfined or not.

Manila has many Korean and Japanese business executives who entertain on the company tab. They can frequent those bars and pay whatever amount is charged. Many of the pretty girls have wealthy foreign sponsors, so are not desperate to discount their fee. Pride and ego are important to them. The Burgos girls are a little more sophisticated than those in AC, so know their worth.

[FrancoCan]

I believe the reason is two fold. One is that there are more idiots in Manila who hopelessly overpay. Many come to Manila primarily for work and then partake in the evenings. Guys usually go to AC for shagging only. So, the average bucks in the pockets of punters in Manila is deeper than in AC IMHO. Also the clientele is different. Middle Easterners are hardly ever seen around AC but love to hang out in Manila. On the Caucasian side you see Corporate managers in Manila and almost bankrupt "expats" in AC. The only reason prices are actually that high in AC (relative to avg salary and living expenses there) is due to all the Asian wannabees, kids of well off Asian families who get their feet wet in AC.

The second reason, and others may disagree, is that competition is much higher in AC than Manila. In AC all the action is concentrated around Fields Ave and then you have tons of freelancers in high society, while in Manila everything is spread out, even on Burgos St you can count the bars on two hands. Potentially the fact that more bars in Burgos are under one and the same name also limits competition.

I was in AC last month for 5 days and I've already booked my next trip to Philippines in June for 5 more days. This time around I thought of splitting my time between Manila / Makati and AC. Read quite a few pages of Makati forum and understood that it's comparatively expensive than AC. While bar fine of the go-go bars in AC is about 3000 and the tip to the girl is the wish of the customer (usually around 500), bar fine in Makati seems to be 3000 to 4000 and the pre-agreed tip to the girl is another 3000 (Correct me if the figures are incorrect). Is it really due to the quality of girls / service / attitude or the venue where the business is done?

[WildInstincts]

I was in AC last month for 5 days and I've already booked my next trip to Philippines in June for 5 more days. This time around I thought of splitting my time between Manila / Makati and AC. Read quite a few pages of Makati forum and understood that it's comparatively expensive than AC. While bar fine of the go-go bars in AC is about 3000 and the tip to the girl is the wish of the customer (usually around 500), bar fine in Makati seems to be 3000 to 4000 and the pre-agreed tip to the girl is another 3000 (Correct me if the figures are incorrect). Is it really due to the quality of girls / service / attitude or the venue where the business is done?

[CallSign Papa]

Any freelancers at the Century city mall in Makati?

No, although the mall is close to Knightsbridge, Milano & Gramercy, where a number of Royal-frequenting freelancers live, so you might be lucky and bump into one who gives you the eye. Unlikely though. Makati malls aren't really a mall-freelancer option (Cafe Havana being the exception in the evenings).

[Kabul Guy]

.....Walk around like you own the place and all is ok. Try to enter sheepishly, asking if it's ok and you may be ejected.

That is my usual method of operation everywhere, just walk in like you own the place and it is suprizing what you can get away with.

A long time ago I was a civilian working for the Canadian military, a military guy I worked woth was the agent provocateur for a base wide security exercise. He recruited me to try to penetrate the most secure part of the base operations. I simply walked in the front door, nodded at the security guys walked up to the commander and said "Bang you are dead" showed my card and the exercise ended in about 10 minutes. LOL.

Many times in Afghanistan I was able to get into places that I should not have been, without showing my pass many times, by simply walking in like I was entitled.

[Rob135711]

Arriving in Manila on Friday, was planing to go to Spa Osaka initially. Just heard the place just closed down few daya ago, any one can confirm?