Makati

[WestCoast1]

Any suggestions of which malls to try when I return this winter?

Just one: Robinson's Malate. There are often half a dozen pro's working the area of the inside hallway in front of Starbucks (the Starbucks next door to Denny's, not the one near the grocery store). They will often approach you (or other fellas sitting at Starbucks). Ages range upwards into the 30's, and looks are from fugly to occasional hottie.

Same mall, evenings. 5-10 girls hang out on the steps in front of Araya and Uncle Chefy resto's, outside, just across the street from the McDo on Pedro Gil corner Adriatico. They start showing up 5-7pm. Often there is an older lady / mama hanging there with them. Ages and looks are similar to above.

[WestCoast1]

West Coast, after reading your report it was apparent that you were always the only guy in the club or one whale. Not that I'm looking for sausage, but where are all the paying customers. I thought Manila was one of biggest mongering destinations in the world.

You have some pre-conceived notions about Phils that are not necessarily correct. As reported previously, number of tourists post-covid is way down from pre-covid. Also, as reported previously, the Burgos scene was deteriorating for several years pre-covid.

That said, time of day, day of the week, and individual bar popularity and its number of girls will often determine the number of customers. For example, an hour after opening usually sees a fair number of customers in Lips and Maison. But there might be few / no customers in Oculto, Nautica or Coco Rock at the same time. Or, on a Saturday night all of the bars might be rocking customers, while Sunday evening sees the opposite. Similar things happen in AC.

BTW, I'm a fan to be in a bar with few customers and at least one whale. Watching the way the girls jump into instant party mode when the tequila shots show up can be exciting. The raunchiest stuff happens in that booth, usually instigated by the dozen or so girls crammed into the booth. I find it in bad form when the mama lines up 8 or so more girls outside the booth so that I can't get a good perv-view (no tips from ME, mama).

Perhaps you should visit, stay a week or two, and give us your impressions of the place.

[MamaGuevos]

I haven't been to Rio so can't do a direct comparison.

However, I would caution that there are many areas in Manila where it is exceedingly risky to walk up to attractive women in civilian settings with a direct sex for cash offer.

Having said that, it's all a game as no girl wants to be seen as a slutt or hooker. Many girls will accept a polite offer of coffee or meal and some / many of these will be able to be converted there and then or on a second date tomorrow. A platonic first date to test the water is very common. Many good girls won't price the encounter but it's polite to at least offer "taxi money". Few will object. Many might point out school fees or rent that the guy can spontaneously offer to assist with. Again, it's all a game.

Can I put a number on it?

There is no way it's 80%. In average malls, it might be 25% but in high end malls, it approaches 0%.

I can't emphasis enough be polite, test the water and if she is talkative and easy going, then ask her if she would like to meet at a cafe. DO NOT walk around soliciting random attractive girls with a straight sex for cash offer. To do so is not only incredibly offensive but also extremely likely to get the guy in serious trouble.

Enjoy. G.

I have been to Rio many times (although not in a few years as I typically work in the north, and AA flew to Manaus directly from Miami for a few years pre COVID), and have even gone to malls there. I have some experience picking up chicas in Santo Domingo, generally focusing on the girls who sell souvenirs and inexpensive clothing. I had about a 10% success rate in Sto Domingo. The malls in Rio was never a successful place for me (the beaches, on the other hand, were terrific but those girls are mostly pros). But, TJB is correct that finding a semi-pro or non-pro girl in Rio is not hard if one has patience and uses friends to get introductions.

I have tried picking up girls in Greenbelt Mall in Makati, and with the exception of the areas where the pros sat at night (around the Cafe Havana), never had a hint of success. Greenbelt seemed high end to me. I never gave any of the "average malls" a chance, in part because the dating web sites are rich with available talent. A weeks worth of young pretty women can be lined up in a few days using DIA or pinalove so I never put much energy into picking up girls. But I enjoy the hunt and would love to try picking up the young ladies in a mall where the women were not wealthier than I.

Any suggestions of which malls to try when I return this winter?

[Goferring]

Gof, When I was in Rio one of the hookers told me 80% of young women are prostitutes or will participate in pay for play when needed. What would you say that number is in Manila? In theory, if you are dressed nice, clean shaven, not over 300 pounds and just propositioned women at stores, restaurants, malls, and most retail establishments, what percentage of these "regular" girls would accept money for sex. Let's put their age range at 18 to 35.

I haven't been to Rio so can't do a direct comparison.

However, I would caution that there are many areas in Manila where it is exceedingly risky to walk up to attractive women in civilian settings with a direct sex for cash offer.

Having said that, it's all a game as no girl wants to be seen as a slutt or hooker. Many girls will accept a polite offer of coffee or meal and some / many of these will be able to be converted there and then or on a second date tomorrow. A platonic first date to test the water is very common. Many good girls won't price the encounter but it's polite to at least offer "taxi money". Few will object. Many might point out school fees or rent that the guy can spontaneously offer to assist with. Again, it's all a game.

Can I put a number on it?

There is no way it's 80%. In average malls, it might be 25% but in high end malls, it approaches 0%.

I can't emphasis enough be polite, test the water and if she is talkative and easy going, then ask her if she would like to meet at a cafe. DO NOT walk around soliciting random attractive girls with a straight sex for cash offer. To do so is not only incredibly offensive but also extremely likely to get the guy in serious trouble.

Enjoy. G.

[TjBrazil]

West Coast, after reading your report it was apparent that you were always the only guy in the club or one whale. Not that I'm looking for sausage, but where are all the paying customers. I thought Manila was one of biggest mongering destinations in the world.

[WestCoast1]

I suspect Matt is talking about one of the numerous roof top bars around town. Many are very nice with gorgeous girls in abundance. However, I'll restate my earlier comment that none are going to be keen to entertain a new arrival with his dick in one hand and cash in the other. Their target is long term working expats as a minimum with pinoy industrialists' sons as the preference. These places are not point and shoot for $100.

Yes. I thought Matt might be talking about Club Royal, about 3 blocks from Burgos. Those are freelancers (and attractive), but one might not be able to distinguish between the FL and regular girls. Same goes for Club ZZYZX disco in Malate (upscale clientelle). Getting slapped by some young cutie not in the biz (or facing her boyfriend who was across the room) t'ain't pleasant, and hence is not a good thought for Matt's point / shoot needs.

Matt it would be great if you could tell us the layout of the Hi-end bar, or of the type of girls there (are they all pro's)? Or the location? Short of that we are back to escort services, or Burgos bars.

[Goferring]

For you and me, if a Burgos girl runs in the night, we just consider that a 1-off, the cost of playing the game, and continue the game. But if the gents want to play the higher-end game, they should expect not to take the chance of disappointment...

Valid point. For a multi month stay, one night is hardly noticed where as for a three day warrior, it's a serious setback.

I've also noticed that my best "luck" always comes towards the end of my trips. By then, I guess it's a combination of me being less desperate / more choosey and the girls instinctively knowing that they must earn the right to be chosen. Short term visitors don't even get to this point and are often still falling in love with any brown body that sits next to them.

Cheers. G.

[TjBrazil]

I suspect Matt is talking about one of the numerous roof top bars around town. Many are very nice with gorgeous girls in abundance. However, I'll restate my earlier comment that none are going to be keen to entertain a new arrival with his dick in one hand and cash in the other. Their target is long term working expats as a minimum with pinoy industrialists' sons as the preference. These places are not point and shoot for $100.

Enjoy. G.

Gof, When I was in Rio one of the hookers told me 80% of young women are prostitutes or will participate in pay for play when needed. What would you say that number is in Manila? In theory, if you are dressed nice, clean shaven, not over 300 pounds and just propositioned women at stores, restaurants, malls, and most retail establishments, what percentage of these "regular" girls would accept money for sex. Let's put their age range at 18 to 35.

[JohnDeoderp]

Yes, specifically. There is a separate barfine amount paid directly to the bar before taking the girl out of the bar, typically p3500-4000 specific to the bar. Then there is a negotiated tip with the girl, prior to her agreeing to leave the bar with you. Typically in the p4-5-6000 range for you, to be paid upon her departure in the morning. Total costs might be p3900 to the barfine (paid at the bar when departing), p5000 to the girl (tip) in the morning, and p500 in drinks at the bar, so about p10 k all in (USD $190, about). If you want her only for ST, you might negotiate a p4000 tip (as opposed to 5 or 6k) and tell her 4 hours and 2 pops (or 2 hours and 1 pop) in order to get rid of her and get some sleep.

You will need to be specific in chat in the bar with the girl. If you expect no condom, you should mention that. If you expect her to stay until 8 am and give 2 pops (evening and morning), you should mention that. You are at the girl's mercy if you don't tell her what is expected and get her agreement BEFORE leaving the bar. Have some fun, report back, and tip your cabbie.

Thank you good sir!

[Goferring]

Gents, is there such a 'super high end' bar? I am aware of only the Burgos bars...

I suspect Matt is talking about one of the numerous roof top bars around town. Many are very nice with gorgeous girls in abundance. However, I'll restate my earlier comment that none are going to be keen to entertain a new arrival with his dick in one hand and cash in the other. Their target is long term working expats as a minimum with pinoy industrialists' sons as the preference. These places are not point and shoot for $100.

Enjoy. G.

[WestCoast1]

Thank you for your help!! In the past I knew there was a bar super high end where for a big fine you can bring home very very sexy girls but forgot the name!!

Gents, is there such a 'super high end' bar? I am aware of only the Burgos bars. MG, cost is similar in all the Burgos bars (about p10 k) to get a guapa for the night. I mentioned my fav 3 bars full of pretty girls, and all the Burgos bars are a short walk from each other on the same street.

Sounds like the Burgos girls are becoming hardened and trying to work to rule which is a shame. There was a time when they were very easy going and flexible both in and outside the bars. Runners and attitudes were very rare. We all have our preferences but I've never discussed a tick list of activities, preferring to go with the flow and find her particular skill set. I was rarely disappointed and sometimes very pleasantly surprised. An overnight LT was also a given which was good as I like to be able to get rid of morning wood.

As for having to insist in bare back, there's no need for blasphemy.

I would agree with this assessment, especially before Covid. All of my Burgos girls stayed as long as needed in the morning, sometimes lazily hanging around past noon. But the post-covid world has changed the barfine system a bit, as seen by the early re-opening gents reporting night runners. For you and me, if a Burgos girl runs in the night, we just consider that a 1-off, the cost of playing the game, and continue the game. But if the gents want to play the higher-end game, they should expect not to take the chance of disappointment.

MG, in the bar, you can also negotiate a higher tip to the girl (s). If one of your mates wants his girl to stay till noon and give 3 pops (sana all), just negotiate that with an extra 1 or 2 k. And pay up for a membership here and get PM. Best $20 you can spend.

[WestCoast1]

Thank you Wicked Roger!! Can I ask you to PM me? Or how can I pm you? Thank you.

Matt: You don't yet have PM capability.

[MatteoGilett]

What exactly is your "high end" budget?

What is your 5 star hotel?

Who are your clients? Koreans? Chinese? Japanese? Different groups have different taste.

Hotel we will stay ShangriLa.

Clients are German and Americans.

Thank you for your help!! In the past I knew there was a bar super high end where for a big fine you can bring home very very sexy girls but forgot the name!!

[MatteoGilett]

As Westie said you can do that.

Alternatively some of us have good lookers on our speed dials so you can PM for those as this is likely the better way as tried and trusted.

Look forward your PM.

Thank you Wicked Roger!! Can I ask you to PM me? Or how can I pm you? Thank you.

[MatteoGilett]

Escort services.

Alternately walk into Lips, V8, or Maison bars on Burgos St with your mates (or go there in place of them) and point-and-shoot as many lookers as you have clients. Ask for a mama and tell her exactly what you (your clients) want / need.

Really appreciate, thank you!