Makati

[WestCoast1]

I know from firstand experience that sticking to EDSA bars does not guarantee the girl will be of proper age. Apparently, bar managers can be fooled, too.

This is good to know SP. Also in the AC bars there are occasional UA girls. However, these are the exception, not the rule. Burgos / EDSA girls are more likely not to have this issue than street girls.

To the OP asking about age: Just where are you planning to pull girls from? ME makes a good point: You might be concentrating on the wrong things here. Getting laid in Manila is just too easy. Go have fun.

[Mr Enternational]

So based on all the responses, there is 'potential' for Age scam- that one needs to watch out for.

But the fundamental question still remains. What if the ID is fake- who is held responsible?

Didn't you just do the same thing in the Medellin thread? Asked a ton of rudimentary questions and kept saying but but but, then went there and had a shitty time, which is virtually impossible to do, with it being one of the top places in the western hemisphere to monger. You totally worried about the wrong things, as you are doing now. Instead of asking key questions such as where, when, and how much, you were off on tangents as you are doing now. That is what led you to going to various types of venues (casas, strip clubs) at the wrong times when either they were not opened or nobody was there.

Concentrate on the basics first (so you won't fuck up like you did in Medellin), then leave the advance theory shit until after you have a couple of trips under your belt. Right now you should have on blinders: I am going to this place at this time and it is going to cost this much money. Save all the bargirls coming from Samar area and giving half their money to their trike driver boyfriend and having a 4 year bar lifespan for a different time. You are asking calculus questions before you have learned to add and subtract and it is leading to you fucking your trips up.

[Chocha Monger]

Glad someone has a post that *doesn't* belong in General Info (or really anywhere else it's not cluttering this thread)! Used them a couple nights ago (via Smooci) for a girl around 3 in the morning. Slightly older than the pics, but definitely the girl in them. Seemed a bit shy about her right boob (botched reduction?) but I was too focused elsewhere (her super tight ass) to mind. Pretty good, especially with my luck (or lack thereof) at spots like Kojax and Bottoms where some of the top earners literally balk at the thought of going home with a Black client (versus the value proposition of a "3/3/3" Korean).

They are just a little worried that a 10-inch soul pole will make them too loose for their boyfriend.

[SaltyPete]

You seem to be very concerned about this, maybe more than you need. There is a simple solution. Since this is the Makati thread, stick to the Burgos or EDSA gogo bars. All girls have bar eye dees, and I've never heard of such a problem with these girls. Stay off the street if this is your concern. If you're looking for a fool-proof way to avoid this problem, stay home. Asia isn't for the meek.

I know from first hand experience that sticking to EDSA bars does not guarantee the girl will be of proper age. Apparently, bar managers can be fooled, too. The only fool-proof ways to avoid this problem is to stay home, or date girls obviously in their upper 20's + (avoid college age girls).

[Mua Tur]

Yes "If in doubt walk away" - that should not be hard.

Definitely better to walk away if there is any kind of doubt. There are plenty to pick.

Many kind of trapping or plot can be framed up for the careless punters based on minors. Once in Cebu I cut off a lovely DIA girl of 28 after few hours where as it was 2 days plan. Just because of she planned to bring her 4 yr old baby after eve. She said she did not find any one to take care the baby in absence of her. She wanted a family room or another room for them. Family room completely no because I can not run my adultery things in front of a minor. Separate room also annoying, calling her or knocking her door if I need her. Definitely presence of a baby was a disaster for the rhythm. Another thing came in my mind is there any kind of smoke? So I politely declined her idea said we had enough.

Stay safe and happy hunting.

[Dg8787]

So based on all the responses, there is 'potential' for Age scam- that one needs to watch out for.

But the fundamental question still remains. What if the ID is fake- who is held responsible?

You are responsible.

You are responsible.

Don't argue about the fundamental legality of responsibility, you can not afford the cost of arguing in money, time and detention. In the event you are caught up in it and fighting the legality it it, please file timely reports here.

[WestCoast1]

So based on all the responses, there is 'potential' for Age scam- that one needs to watch out for.

But the fundamental question still remains. What if the ID is fake- who is held responsible?

You seem to be very concerned about this, maybe more than you need. There is a simple solution. Since this is the Makati thread, stick to the Burgos or EDSA gogo bars. All girls have bar eye dees, and I've never heard of such a problem with these girls. Stay off the street if this is your concern. If you're looking for a fool-proof way to avoid this problem, stay home. Asia isn't for the meek.

[SBTiger]

You are! Have you ever known a minor to be arrested along with the older man? If you are unable to negotiate your way out of it, your life as you know it could be over.

If in doubt walk away.

Yes "If in doubt walk away" - that should not be hard.

[Engine Driver]

So based on all the responses, there is 'potential' for Age scam. That one needs to watch out for.

But the fundamental question still remains. What if the ID is fake- who is held responsible?

You are! Have you ever known a minor to be arrested along with the older man? If you are unable to negotiate your way out of it, your life as you know it could be over.

If in doubt walk away.

[SBTiger]

I said something about this 3 weeks ago KB and a couple of posters shot me down.

I've lived here for 21 years and I've only ever read about these scams here.

Never heard about them first hand nor have any of my expat mates discussed them either.

So based on all the responses, there is 'potential' for Age scam- that one needs to watch out for.

But the fundamental question still remains. What if the ID is fake- who is held responsible?

[Red Kilt]

Are these really happening or is it just urban legends?

So far only one first hand report, from an event of a few years ago, where he just got shook down for some money not any police involvement although it may have escalated to that eventually.

I said something about this 3 weeks ago KB and a couple of posters shot me down.

I've lived here for 21 years and I've only ever read about these scams here.

Never heard about them first hand nor have any of my expat mates discussed them either.

[Kabul Guy]

I've heard of guys entangled in these types of scams. They do exist, and and seem to be targeted towards the careless types. This is nothing new really. It's been around for years!

Are these really happening or is it just urban legends?

So far only one first hand report, from an event of a few years ago, where he just got shook down for some money not any police involvement although it may have escalated to that eventually.

[WestCoast1]

For some reason a lot of chicks just do not carry ID.

They don't carry them because most girls just don't have one. If the do have one, it might be fake. Your call center girl clearly has one (her work eye dee), she just didn't have it on her. I have had similar instances, where my girl has an eye dee (I got it for her), but she didn't have it with her, and I just vouched with the door security for her.

Might be passing up on a lot of chicks going that route.

I realize that there is a large category of girls that I'm not drawing from (no eye dee), but that hasn't dampened my joy too much. There are just too many girls in the 'have eye dee' category for me to ignore. Also, some hotels and condo's simply refuse to let any girl in who does not have one. Example: Birch Tower in Malate, near Robinson's. I took a girl from LAC 2 months ago. In the taxi over to BT I asked her if she had her eye dee for the security desk. She said she'd left it at home, but that it was OK because she was in BT recently with a customer, and the desk security only required her to sign in and the gent to authorize her entry. However when we got to BT, the security would not let her enter. She pleaded with them and told them she came before and the gent said her going up was OK, but they didn't fall for it. "No! Entry!" She asked me to take her to a ST hotel but I passed. I hate it when people waste my time (my time is more important to me than anyone else's time is to them). Pearl Garden hotel on Taft / UN also rejected one of my LAC girls who did not have an eye dee.

[WestCoast1]

I've heard of guys entangled in these types of scams. They do exist, and and seem to be targeted towards the careless types. This is nothing new really. It's been around for years!

Have sat with guys at Kok's in AC, Burgos bars, and in PM here who have repeated similar tales to me of the same process happening to them. Suddenly in the room the girl says: "I'm a minor. Give me 5000". You don't often hear of these things because (I think) its an embarrassing situation. A quick payment gets the girl gone.

So how did it end? Did you call their bluff or pay up?

A combination of things got them out of the hotel.

In similar vein, we had a AC newb report in the AC thread (2-3 years ago) about this scam happening to him The fake police came to arrest him just after the girl left? They took him to some house and forced him to take them to an ATM machine to get them money.

[Mr Enternational]

To SBT, avoid if any doubt. Yes, look at the eye dee of every freelancer (take a pic as I do). Any girl without one is a pass, as even if she's 40 she might not get past your hotel door security without one.

Might be passing up on a lot of chicks going that route. For some reason a lot of chicks just do not carry ID. Chick that is staying with me right now is a non-pro that works at a call center. She was there to pick me up from the airport 2 nights ago. When we got to the airbnb condo we had to check in with security to get card keys for the turnstyle to get into the building. She didn't bring any ID. Didn't affect anything though. There is a sign that says you have to leave a 300 peso deposit for the card key if you don't leave your ID at the desk. I told her that she should always have ID. What if something should happen to her and nobody has any idea who she is. I guess it is just the culture. I have seen chicks with a bag full of shit, yet no ID in the bag.