Makati

[MatteoGilett]

Yes. I thought Matt might be talking about Club Royal, about 3 blocks from Burgos. Those are freelancers (and attractive), but one might not be able to distinguish between the FL and regular girls. Same goes for Club ZZYZX disco in Malate (upscale clientelle). Getting slapped by some young cutie not in the biz (or facing her boyfriend who was across the room) t'ain't pleasant, and hence is not a good thought for Matt's point / shoot needs.

Matt it would be great if you could tell us the layout of the Hi-end bar, or of the type of girls there (are they all pro's)? Or the location? Short of that we are back to escort services, or Burgos bars.

Thank you again WestCoast1, really I appreciate. The place I was probably was named LE Salon? Is possible? Like underground? I have memories of stairs! Could be? Was very close walking distance from Makati Greenbelt, I am sure about it. Again thank you for your help!! In the past I was also visiting EDSA Cotton Club, that I think now is closed, Kremlin, Pharons, and others I forgot the name.

[MatteoGilett]

Matt: You don't yet have PM capability.

Thank you! I did not know but now I realized. .

[KumuMan]

Am with Goferring on this. High-end malls like GB are not for hitting on employees directly. Its Louis Vuitton and Dior.

Kiosk girls in lower-end malls can be quite flirty if you chat them up, but I've never seen that in high-end malls. The better idea is to date the flirty ones (ask her out for a drink, this takes time, and is the opposite of point / shoot). I have had success in the past in that they lose their panties quickly. Its probably a mistake to proposition mall employees directly while in the mall.

I've had 3 from Robinson Mall. Food stall vender, stopped by her stall everyday to buy the mango juice. Sales rep in shoe store, I did buy an expensive pair of slippers from her. Waitress at restaurant I had my Japanese noodles for lunch almost daily. All 3 under 25 and after their shift.

[WestCoast1]

I have tried picking up girls in Greenbelt Mall in Makati, and with the exception of the areas where the pros sat at night (around the Cafe Havana), never had a hint of success. Greenbelt seemed high end to me. I never gave any of the "average malls" a chance, in part because the dating web sites are rich with available talent. A weeks worth of young pretty women can be lined up in a few days using DIA or pinalove so I never put much energy into picking up girls. But I enjoy the hunt and would love to try picking up the young ladies in a mall where the women were not wealthier than I.

Any suggestions of which malls to try when I return this winter?

There is no way it's 80%. In average malls, it might be 25% but in high end malls, it approaches 0%.

I can't emphasis enough be polite, test the water and if she is talkative and easy going, then ask her if she would like to meet at a cafe. DO NOT walk around soliciting random attractive girls with a straight sex for cash offer. To do so is not only incredibly offensive but also extremely likely to get the guy in serious trouble.

Am with Goferring on this. High-end malls like GB are not for hitting on employees directly. Its Louis Vuitton and Dior.

Kiosk girls in lower-end malls can be quite flirty if you chat them up, but I've never seen that in high-end malls. The better idea is to date the flirty ones (ask her out for a drink, this takes time, and is the opposite of point / shoot). I have had success in the past in that they lose their panties quickly. Its probably a mistake to proposition mall employees directly while in the mall.

[Goferring]

I have tried picking up girls in Greenbelt Mall in Makati, and with the exception of the areas where the pros sat at night (around the Cafe Havana), never had a hint of success. Greenbelt seemed high end to me..

You are way braver than me. Many reports here of guys getting into trouble after a Guccibabe goes home and tells dad that an old man was hitting on her and he gave her his number.

Greenbelt is indeed high end as are the surrounding residential areas that house most of the shoppers there.

Enjoy. G.

[Goferring]

Just one: Robinson's Malate. There are often half a dozen pro's working the area...

For trying his luck with civilians, MamaG can add MOA (Mall of Asia). It's huge, nonpro girls everywhere, lots of cafes etc to spontaneously invite them to. It's easy travelling distance from middle income areas so a popular shopping and hang out area for these girls. Sales assistants for days for after work coffee offers.

Girls must be comfortable there as it's a very common place for online girls to suggest as a meeting point.

Enjoy. G.

[MoonShot]

I have been to Rio many times (although not in a few years as I typically work in the north, and AA flew to Manaus directly from Miami for a few years pre COVID), and have even gone to malls there. I have some experience picking up chicas in Santo Domingo, generally focusing on the girls who sell souvenirs and inexpensive clothing. I had about a 10% success rate in Sto Domingo. The malls in Rio was never a successful place for me (the beaches, on the other hand, were terrific but those girls are mostly pros). But, TJB is correct that finding a semi-pro or non-pro girl in Rio is not hard if one has patience and uses friends to get introductions.

I have tried picking up girls in Greenbelt Mall in Makati, and with the exception of the areas where the pros sat at night (around the Cafe Havana), never had a hint of success. Greenbelt seemed high end to me. I never gave any of the "average malls" a chance, in part because the dating web sites are rich with available talent. A weeks worth of young pretty women can be lined up in a few days using DIA or pinalove so I never put much energy into picking up girls. But I enjoy the hunt and would love to try picking up the young ladies in a mall where the women were not wealthier than I.

Any suggestions of which malls to try when I return this winter?

You can line up a week's worth of young pretty girls on DIA or Pina Love but it doesn't mean that they will show up. Usually if you have 50 girls saying that they want to meet you, you would be lucky if 10 girls actually show up to meet you. That has been my experience on DIA and Pina Love. The girls are very flakey. It is easy to chat with a guy online but it is much more difficult for a girl to actually travel a distance from her home to meet a complete stranger.

[TjBrazil]

You have some pre-conceived notions about Phils that are not necessarily correct. As reported previously, number of tourists post-covid is way down from pre-covid. Also, as reported previously, the Burgos scene was deteriorating for several years pre-covid.

That said, time of day, day of the week, and individual bar popularity and its number of girls will often determine the number of customers. For example, an hour after opening usually sees a fair number of customers in Lips and Maison. But there might be few / no customers in Oculto, Nautica or Coco Rock at the same time. Or, on a Saturday night all of the bars might be rocking customers, while Sunday evening sees the opposite. Similar things happen in AC.

BTW, I'm a fan to be in a bar with few customers and at least one whale. Watching the way the girls jump into instant party mode when the tequila shots show up can be exciting. The raunchiest stuff happens in that booth, usually instigated by the dozen or so girls crammed into the booth. I find it in bad form when the mama lines up 8 or so more girls outside the booth so that I can't get a good perv-view (no tips from ME, mama).

Perhaps you should visit, stay a week or two, and give us your impressions of the place.

Will be there soon. Don't know if I'm as excited about going anymore, but it has to be seen once.

[WestCoast1]

Any suggestions of which malls to try when I return this winter?

Just one: Robinson's Malate. There are often half a dozen pro's working the area of the inside hallway in front of Starbucks (the Starbucks next door to Denny's, not the one near the grocery store). They will often approach you (or other fellas sitting at Starbucks). Ages range upwards into the 30's, and looks are from fugly to occasional hottie.

Same mall, evenings. 5-10 girls hang out on the steps in front of Araya and Uncle Chefy resto's, outside, just across the street from the McDo on Pedro Gil corner Adriatico. They start showing up 5-7pm. Often there is an older lady / mama hanging there with them. Ages and looks are similar to above.

[WestCoast1]

West Coast, after reading your report it was apparent that you were always the only guy in the club or one whale. Not that I'm looking for sausage, but where are all the paying customers. I thought Manila was one of biggest mongering destinations in the world.

You have some pre-conceived notions about Phils that are not necessarily correct. As reported previously, number of tourists post-covid is way down from pre-covid. Also, as reported previously, the Burgos scene was deteriorating for several years pre-covid.

That said, time of day, day of the week, and individual bar popularity and its number of girls will often determine the number of customers. For example, an hour after opening usually sees a fair number of customers in Lips and Maison. But there might be few / no customers in Oculto, Nautica or Coco Rock at the same time. Or, on a Saturday night all of the bars might be rocking customers, while Sunday evening sees the opposite. Similar things happen in AC.

BTW, I'm a fan to be in a bar with few customers and at least one whale. Watching the way the girls jump into instant party mode when the tequila shots show up can be exciting. The raunchiest stuff happens in that booth, usually instigated by the dozen or so girls crammed into the booth. I find it in bad form when the mama lines up 8 or so more girls outside the booth so that I can't get a good perv-view (no tips from ME, mama).

Perhaps you should visit, stay a week or two, and give us your impressions of the place.

[MamaGuevos]

I haven't been to Rio so can't do a direct comparison.

However, I would caution that there are many areas in Manila where it is exceedingly risky to walk up to attractive women in civilian settings with a direct sex for cash offer.

Having said that, it's all a game as no girl wants to be seen as a slutt or hooker. Many girls will accept a polite offer of coffee or meal and some / many of these will be able to be converted there and then or on a second date tomorrow. A platonic first date to test the water is very common. Many good girls won't price the encounter but it's polite to at least offer "taxi money". Few will object. Many might point out school fees or rent that the guy can spontaneously offer to assist with. Again, it's all a game.

Can I put a number on it?

There is no way it's 80%. In average malls, it might be 25% but in high end malls, it approaches 0%.

I can't emphasis enough be polite, test the water and if she is talkative and easy going, then ask her if she would like to meet at a cafe. DO NOT walk around soliciting random attractive girls with a straight sex for cash offer. To do so is not only incredibly offensive but also extremely likely to get the guy in serious trouble.

Enjoy. G.

I have been to Rio many times (although not in a few years as I typically work in the north, and AA flew to Manaus directly from Miami for a few years pre COVID), and have even gone to malls there. I have some experience picking up chicas in Santo Domingo, generally focusing on the girls who sell souvenirs and inexpensive clothing. I had about a 10% success rate in Sto Domingo. The malls in Rio was never a successful place for me (the beaches, on the other hand, were terrific but those girls are mostly pros). But, TJB is correct that finding a semi-pro or non-pro girl in Rio is not hard if one has patience and uses friends to get introductions.

I have tried picking up girls in Greenbelt Mall in Makati, and with the exception of the areas where the pros sat at night (around the Cafe Havana), never had a hint of success. Greenbelt seemed high end to me. I never gave any of the "average malls" a chance, in part because the dating web sites are rich with available talent. A weeks worth of young pretty women can be lined up in a few days using DIA or pinalove so I never put much energy into picking up girls. But I enjoy the hunt and would love to try picking up the young ladies in a mall where the women were not wealthier than I.

Any suggestions of which malls to try when I return this winter?

[Goferring]

Gof, When I was in Rio one of the hookers told me 80% of young women are prostitutes or will participate in pay for play when needed. What would you say that number is in Manila? In theory, if you are dressed nice, clean shaven, not over 300 pounds and just propositioned women at stores, restaurants, malls, and most retail establishments, what percentage of these "regular" girls would accept money for sex. Let's put their age range at 18 to 35.

I haven't been to Rio so can't do a direct comparison.

However, I would caution that there are many areas in Manila where it is exceedingly risky to walk up to attractive women in civilian settings with a direct sex for cash offer.

Having said that, it's all a game as no girl wants to be seen as a slutt or hooker. Many girls will accept a polite offer of coffee or meal and some / many of these will be able to be converted there and then or on a second date tomorrow. A platonic first date to test the water is very common. Many good girls won't price the encounter but it's polite to at least offer "taxi money". Few will object. Many might point out school fees or rent that the guy can spontaneously offer to assist with. Again, it's all a game.

Can I put a number on it?

There is no way it's 80%. In average malls, it might be 25% but in high end malls, it approaches 0%.

I can't emphasis enough be polite, test the water and if she is talkative and easy going, then ask her if she would like to meet at a cafe. DO NOT walk around soliciting random attractive girls with a straight sex for cash offer. To do so is not only incredibly offensive but also extremely likely to get the guy in serious trouble.

Enjoy. G.

[TjBrazil]

West Coast, after reading your report it was apparent that you were always the only guy in the club or one whale. Not that I'm looking for sausage, but where are all the paying customers. I thought Manila was one of biggest mongering destinations in the world.

[WestCoast1]

I suspect Matt is talking about one of the numerous roof top bars around town. Many are very nice with gorgeous girls in abundance. However, I'll restate my earlier comment that none are going to be keen to entertain a new arrival with his dick in one hand and cash in the other. Their target is long term working expats as a minimum with pinoy industrialists' sons as the preference. These places are not point and shoot for $100.

Yes. I thought Matt might be talking about Club Royal, about 3 blocks from Burgos. Those are freelancers (and attractive), but one might not be able to distinguish between the FL and regular girls. Same goes for Club ZZYZX disco in Malate (upscale clientelle). Getting slapped by some young cutie not in the biz (or facing her boyfriend who was across the room) t'ain't pleasant, and hence is not a good thought for Matt's point / shoot needs.

Matt it would be great if you could tell us the layout of the Hi-end bar, or of the type of girls there (are they all pro's)? Or the location? Short of that we are back to escort services, or Burgos bars.

[Goferring]

For you and me, if a Burgos girl runs in the night, we just consider that a 1-off, the cost of playing the game, and continue the game. But if the gents want to play the higher-end game, they should expect not to take the chance of disappointment...

Valid point. For a multi month stay, one night is hardly noticed where as for a three day warrior, it's a serious setback.

I've also noticed that my best "luck" always comes towards the end of my trips. By then, I guess it's a combination of me being less desperate / more choosey and the girls instinctively knowing that they must earn the right to be chosen. Short term visitors don't even get to this point and are often still falling in love with any brown body that sits next to them.

Cheers. G.