Makati

[TjBrazil]

T-J, respectfully you just need to get there and relax and have fun. I enjoy this dude's videos about the nightlife scene in Makati. If / when I retire it will probably be in Makati and I will be living a life similar to his and I will likely die of alcohol an penis related exhaustion but it will be a fine way to go out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF-FLMJG3N8

I don't know what to make of this guy. He says he doesn't sleep with hookers, and he travels with his girlfriend, but he goes to all sex tourist clubs.

[D Cups]

How is the mall scene in Angeles city vs Malate / makati. What's the regular girls vs freelancers at these malls.

I haven't seen any freelancers at the Angeles SM Mall and I been there 4 X this year. There's a handful in Malate. Makati used to have some but I dunno any more. Haven't been there in a while.

[FuriousGeorge]

T-J, respectfully you just need to get there and relax and have fun. I enjoy this dude's videos about the nightlife scene in Makati. If / when I retire it will probably be in Makati and I will be living a life similar to his and I will likely die of alcohol an penis related exhaustion but it will be a fine way to go out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF-FLMJG3N8

[TjBrazil]

How is the mall scene in Angeles city vs Malate / makati. What's the regular girls vs freelancers at these malls.

[Muttley81]

Ah thanks. I missed it the first time I read that. The girl was telling the customer, while still in the bar, that if she left earlier that she was required to come back to the bar, not spend the night, ST only. Its fairly crappy that the mamas are now telling either all their girls, or certain girls, to do that. Might be interesting if we started asking mamas at each bar if that is policy; or alternately asking which girls are ST only. Up to each gent, but personally I'd have a hard time shelling out $10 k for an oft-used bargirl for ST.

Yep, definitely. Girl is a real sweetheart we've known a while, she did not want to go back to the bar so asked us to stay another hour, wasn't to get more drinks out of us either. Friend tends to go to a short time hotel, so didn't affect his overall plan for night, but aware a lot of guys like LT. Worth double checking as it appears this is not the only bar operating with this policy. I definitely didn't hear of this precovid.

[WestCoast1]

The 5 k I mentioned was the prenegotiated tip, so what I'm essentially saying is 5 k equates to ST only if negotiated before 1 am, as they 'have' to go back to bar. I'd not heard of this clause before in negotiations.

Ah thanks. I missed it the first time I read that. The girl was telling the customer, while still in the bar, that if she left earlier that she was required to come back to the bar, not spend the night, ST only. Its fairly crappy that the mamas are now telling either all their girls, or certain girls, to do that. Might be interesting if we started asking mamas at each bar if that is policy; or alternately asking which girls are ST only. Up to each gent, but personally I'd have a hard time shelling out $10 k for an oft-used bargirl for ST.

[TjBrazil]

After reading the last page of posts, I am realizing how expensive hookers are in makati. Bar fine and girl is 10 k average. That's 180 dollars. That's way more than Mexico Brazil costs rica. Few questions: why are the attractive young girls even working these bars, when they can go online and not have to give the bar so much money. They can also pick and choose by the guys picture. Also. If 180 is all in, couldn't I just offer 100 dollars to any girl on tinder, SA, or Pina love. I also would imagine I could get almost any girl working as a cashier for 100 dollars and 150 would be a lottery win compared to what they make as a cashier. My trip is still a few months away, but it's going to be interesting when I get boots on the ground.

[Muttley81]

This is good advice (discussion of expectations while still in the bar). However I am confused by the '5 k' you mentioned. The barfine will be 4 k, and the tip amount is pre-negotiated with the girl (4-6 k is typical). Girls still get only 1 k from the 4 k barfine. If she runs in the night, you have the power to tip or not, or how much between zero and the agreed-upon tip amount. I find it odd that a Burgos bargirl would decide to depart early. She might end up doing the first deed in the hotel, then heading back to the bar, receiving only p1000 (from the barfine amount), should the customer withhold the tip. It makes more sense for her to finish the evening / morning and second pop, and collect her full amount (1 k from the barfine + 5 k from the morning tip = 6 k total) rather than run off. Running back to the bar risks not getting any LD's or further barfine for the night, netting her p1 k.

The 5 k I mentioned was the prenegotiated tip, so what I'm essentially saying is 5 k equates to ST only if negotiated before 1 am, as they 'have' to go back to bar. I'd not heard of this clause before in negotiations.

[WestCoast1]

One of ladies my friend has been fining from Nautika recently asked him not to fine her before 1 am, as this means that she would have to go back to bar after 2-3 hours with him. I thought this was a scam to get more drinks out of him, but we asked mamasan in Lips if they have similar policy and they said yes. I think this may be a way for girls to get more money by going back for second customer for the night, but trust Lips mamasan to tell almost the truth.

Make sure in the bar the duration your money is getting you, 5 k might not get you a full night.

This is good advice (discussion of expectations while still in the bar). However I am confused by the '5 k' you mentioned. The barfine will be 4 k, and the tip amount is pre-negotiated with the girl (4-6 k is typical). Girls still get only 1 k from the 4 k barfine. If she runs in the night, you have the power to tip or not, or how much between zero and the agreed-upon tip amount. I find it odd that a Burgos bargirl would decide to depart early. She might end up doing the first deed in the hotel, then heading back to the bar, receiving only p1000 (from the barfine amount), should the customer withhold the tip. It makes more sense for her to finish the evening / morning and second pop, and collect her full amount (1 k from the barfine + 5 k from the morning tip = 6 k total) rather than run off. Running back to the bar risks not getting any LD's or further barfine for the night, netting her p1 k.

Its in the bar's interest if she barfines twice in an evening. The bar receives p2000 of a p3500 barfine (1 k to the girl, 500 to the mama), and 2500 from a 4 k barfine. If she barfines twice in an evening, that's either 4 k or 5 k to the bar. To defend the bar in Muttley's instance, they might not be looking for 2 barfines, they might just be looking to get extra LD's from the girl if she stays in the bar longer, barfining later in the evening.

BTW, there are fellas out there that feel compelled to give the full pre-agreed tip amount when the girl fails to perform or changes her mind and leaves early. I think that's nuts. But as long as this exists, it creates incentive for girls and bars to attempt to get away with this.

[Goferring]

...Ever experience something like this? Maybe she was just new to the game and chickened out?

Fwiw she was a real hotty, 10 on the buxom scale and a spinner to boot, but maybe a 6-7 face. I know I know, YMMV.

Yep. In Davao. I was both livid and totally confused at the time. It would be extremely generous to call me young and handsome but I thought things were going well before she bailed. Mine was also blistering hot but definitely not a Cherry Girl, having done both the domestic and foreign expat circuit. The only difference was that I found her online, not as a barfine.

To this day, I still have no idea why it happened.

Enjoy. G.

Day 4 started and the call center girlie showed up. Yeah! And she was HOT. A slim little body struggled to support some 34 DDs. A barely there dress failed at conceiling anything. We had a light breakfast before we headed back to the room. The "good girl" sales pitch was replaced with "Before the call center, I worked at KTVs in Manila and Cebu, a foreigner bar in Korea and as a foreigner "tourguide" and "My American fiance is a dick because he won't let me go out and party with my girlfriends" etc, etc, etc. This girl has been AROUND. After the past few days' dramas, this made me horny as fuck. Some small talk about getting hammered in Angeles quickly led to power DFK. Tits were spilled and they were glorious! "Let's get your dress off" led to. . . "I'm not going to fuck you on the first meeting". . . . Aaaaargh! Are you fucking serious? I leave tomorrow! . . . . And she left with, "But I'll be back tonight". Of course, I thought this was total bullshit, I had just had the ultimate prick tease and there was no way in hell that she intended to come back. I was literally pacing the hotel room with frustration.

[Idiot182]

You didn't really say what happened next. Did you turn her loose? Did she just dress and walk away? Did you walk back to the bar and complain to the mama?

Respectfully. . . Not sure. Its an odd situation. Does not sound like a cherry girl. Cherries and drinks-only girls are announced in the bar by the girls themselves. "I don't barfine. Drinks only". Or, "I am cherry. No sex". The mama would have confirmed that with you before they allowed a cherry girl to leave, and for good reason. It would be easy for a drunk customer to get rough with a girl who decided not to put out, and the bar wants to avoid that confrontation.

When you were in the bar, the girl would have insisted to discuss her morning tip before agreeing to leave with you. What amount was that? Did she have that discussion with you? Something sounds off here. Suggest you waltz back into the bar one night and chat the mama of it. Its possible the girl chickened out and walked away, which the mama would want to know about. Burgos girls have a good rep for doing whatever they agree to in the bar.

We did discuss price. Actually what we had discussed was 3. 5 barfine, 1. 0 for oral service and 3. 0 for full. I was pretty wasted (which is my modus operandi) and lost interest as soon as she was unwilling to do anything more. Also I can't enjoy a situation which the girl is not into, which she obviously was not. So we spoke about nothing else happening, cleaned up and got dressed, and left, and I dropped the "tip" before I left the room. It was a little weird as I expected her to stay a little longer in the room but she came out to the elevator with me? Don't ask me why. Then we parted ways from the lobby. Maybe I will speak to the Mamasan about exactly what happened next time.

[Muttley81]

That's usually pretty hard to answer also, but I have one. Walk into all of the Burgos bars I mentioned above on your first night. Don't buy a drink, just look at the girls. It can't be difficult to find a hottie in that mix. After you find one, buy her a drink and its off to the races. They are all the same price (all-in, p9 k. P11 k, with drinks). The barfine is either p3500 or p4000, and the tip you negotiate with her will be about p5-6 k. Throw in a couple of drinks, and you are around p10 k ($190 USD). As you are holding the agreed-upon tip until she leaves in the morning, there is little chance that she will run, and every chance that she will perform as she agreed to.

One of ladies my friend has been fining from Nautika recently asked him not to fine her before 1 am, as this means that she would have to go back to bar after 2-3 hours with him. I thought this was a scam to get more drinks out of him, but we asked mamasan in Lips if they have similar policy and they said yes. I think this may be a way for girls to get more money by going back for second customer for the night, but trust Lips mamasan to tell almost the truth.

Make sure in the bar the duration your money is getting you, 5 k might not get you a full night.

[WestCoast1]

then she refused to do anything further. It was totally bizarre to me as we seemed to be having fun and I am a pretty young (and not bad looking dude IMHO), disease free and clean etc. I told her I was unhappy with the situation and left a 100 PHP tip for (no) services rendered. Ever experience something like this? Maybe she was just new to the game and chickened out?

Fwiw she was a real hotty, 10 on the buxom scale and a spinner to boot, but maybe a 6-7 face. I know I know, YMMV.

You didn't really say what happened next. Did you turn her loose? Did she just dress and walk away? Did you walk back to the bar and complain to the mama?

That sounds like the behavior of a cherry girl.

Respectfully. . . Not sure. Its an odd situation. Does not sound like a cherry girl. Cherries and drinks-only girls are announced in the bar by the girls themselves. "I don't barfine. Drinks only". Or, "I am cherry. No sex". The mama would have confirmed that with you before they allowed a cherry girl to leave, and for good reason. It would be easy for a drunk customer to get rough with a girl who decided not to put out, and the bar wants to avoid that confrontation.

When you were in the bar, the girl would have insisted to discuss her morning tip before agreeing to leave with you. What amount was that? Did she have that discussion with you? Something sounds off here. Suggest you waltz back into the bar one night and chat the mama of it. Its possible the girl chickened out and walked away, which the mama would want to know about. Burgos girls have a good rep for doing whatever they agree to in the bar.

[Idiot182]

That sounds like the behavior of a cherry girl.

Interesting, I did not think of that. Never even had the fortune to come across one! You might be right there.

[Turgid]

Hi all, I hit up Burgos Street last night for the first time in a while. Nothing radically new to report. I was bar hopping along the strip and tried out a few different places before going back to Maison, which, BTW, I think is the best bang for your buck currently available on the strip. It's also conveniently close to Sogo. Which, as it happens, is where this perplexing situation ended. I was recommended a girl by the Mamasan, we got along great in the bar after I dropped the requisite pesos, and decided to go around the corner to the hotel. Once there, we stripped down, showered, got cosy together and there was some DATY, then she refused to do anything further. It was totally bizarre to me as we seemed to be having fun and I am a pretty young (and not bad looking dude IMHO), disease free and clean etc. I told her I was unhappy with the situation and left a 100 PHP tip for (no) services rendered. Ever experience something like this? Maybe she was just new to the game and chickened out?

Fwiw she was a real hotty, 10 on the buxom scale and a spinner to boot, but maybe a 6-7 face. I know I know, YMMV.

That sounds like the behavior of a cherry girl.